Interview - Gabrielle Walker - Healing Arts Practitioner

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Welcome to Forrest.Chat,
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where we talk about individual endeavor in Western Australia, what it takes, what it means, and how you do it.
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I'm your host, Paul van der Mey, and in today's episode, we're talking with Gabrielle Walker about being a healing arts practitioner.
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Gabrielle started as a healing arts practitioner around 10 years ago and has added modalities in the time that she's been practicing.
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Welcome to Forrest.Chat,
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Gabrielle.
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Oh, thank you for having me, Paul.
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It's really nice to be here Great to have you on the show, Gabrielle.
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Gabrielle, what is a healing arts practitioner? it's a term that I like using to encompass the modalities that I do.
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So I do rongoā and mirimiri, which are Māori healing, healing modalities, and they are indigenous from Aotearoa, New Zealand.
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And then I, I became a counselor around COVID time when we weren't able to be in people's presence, so I was able to do that more online.
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I- at the time, I thought it would be a bit more like a PD or a personal development undertaking, and I ended up falling in love with it.
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And for me, it's that interest in humanity, human beings, us becoming better people, but also healing from traumatic things if we've gone through them and acknowledging all parts of ourselves.
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So the beautiful thing about Māori healing is that we look at spirit, life force, our accomplishments, calling things in, and then also acknowledging some of the more horrible things that we've gone through and working out how our life wants to be, and it's done somatically through the body.
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So rongoā is quite a deep pressure body work.
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So we use all different parts of our body.
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We can use elbows, hands, uh, feet, and then also, it can look a little bit like massage, in a Western sense, although some Māori people in New Zealand don't like it being described that way, because it is more of an energetic practice in a way.
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And then, counseling is, counseling or therapy as we know it, is more of a talk therapy, and that is listening to how people want to be moving through in their life.
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Sometimes it can be temporary things, people going through something in a, a short-term moment, but then it can be an ongoing thing that, moves in that way, and I'm also trained as a coach.
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So I can't take that part of my brain off, that life co- coach part where you're looking towards the future, while also sometimes unpacking some of the things that we put away in the suitcase at younger parts of our life.
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And, uh, for me, that, that sitting in presence, that knowing about humanity, the working out how to see all parts of ourself is, is what a healing arts practitioner is Right.
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So it's pretty encompassing by the sound of that.
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there's like, physical aspects and there's also energetic aspects to it Yeah.
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So the, the practice was actually in, uh, New Zealand was banned until the '70s, and, most Māori practice...
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So I'm Māori, my dad's Māori, and my mom's non-Māori.
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She's English.
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I'm from New Zealand originally.
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I've lived in WA since 2007.
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culturally we will tend to look at things through spirit, life force, physical.
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so the practice is, is very much encompassing of that.
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It also includes, karakia, which is like saying chants or prayers over a body.
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there's pieces of...
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have you heard of The Body Keeps the Score, Yes, absolutely I have.
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Yes Yeah, so, so it's similar about Peter Levine.
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That it's similar to that, that concept of our body will h- hold memories or hold different pieces or things.
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through our practice, we also that we have things that are ancestral, pieces stored within our body or within our system that, that can be cleared or moved or shifted or acknowledged that may not have been able to have been, uh, acknowledged or dealt with in previous generations just because of the life circumstances that they were in at that time.
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Whereas in this current day, we've got, often have that beautiful aspect of being able to access all these different modalities and sometimes space to be able to, to change the way we're thinking about some of those things.
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There's a couple of interesting things that you've said there.
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One about it being banned until the 1970s Yeah, I can't remember the exact date, but, um, so there was a, an act called the Tohunga Suppression Act, and Tohunga, uh, it- it's, it's a m- the translation now is more of a master of whatever you're doing.
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So it could, you could be a Tohunga of woodwork, or you could be a Tohunga of, um, healing.
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But at, at the time, they, in the act or the, things I've read about it, it was referred to as a witch doctor or things like this.
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And then there was a, an really interesting quote, which I read in one article, which said, "We can't even believe it.
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Not only are Māori going to receive this healing, but white people are believing in it too."
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And that was something said in Parliament.
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And, so yeah, it was, it went underground, a lot at that time, and different tribes or iwi were practicing, underground or through different ways.
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And then, s- a lot of my teaching, so I learned the Mirimiri aspect from my family line, from my nan, Kimiorangi Hohepa.
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And then, Papa Hohepa Delamia, he taught more the Romiromi side, which is where I learned from other teachers, and he reinvigorated, it throughout the world.
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So initially, New Zealand people weren't so open to learning about it, and so he actually went to the States and Europe and taught there.
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And then so there's some practitioners there as well.
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And then it recently, it's become, uh, recognized in New Zealand through ACC, which is like Medicare here.
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And, yeah, so it's really cool.
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It's had this huge shift from being banned to being able to be recognized through Medicare essentially.
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so that shift in Is that 30 years or...
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No, we're not in 2000 now.
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How, how many years has happened? 50 odd years, yeah, but Thank for maths.
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When you, the skill thing, the maths is not my skill, Sarah.
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But we all have different strengths.
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We need to play to our strengths Yeah, so, I can't remember the exact date it w- it became that you were able to practice, but he, he was one of the first people to be public in sharing it.
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And then so we're s- I'm s- the next generation, and the students who are learning from me are the next generation.
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So they're only that third generation of people who are sharing it publicly.
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So often, I've found this myself, but students will also be expressing, uh, like, this fear to step out or be seen to do it.
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And, and for me, I believe it's part of that legacy of it having been banned, and we're literally coming out of the shadows to practice it again such a good thing that a healing modality comes out of the shadows.
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Mm-hmm.
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have been dragged into believing that you just take something and everything will be fine, but it's really not the full solution Yeah, definitely.
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And e- even through the worldview perspective of thinking it, it can change your mind.
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You feel...
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If, if I think about the energy of how I see it on someone's body when they're looking through the mind space or, or predominantly, I, I wanna say Western, but it's not Western, through...
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It's more through the mind that y- the energy doesn't have other places to express or flow, whether that be art or running or what- whatever these other aspects of us are, if we're thinking in a linear way all the time.
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Um, there's so much more to us that sometimes a healing practice can address more than, uh, medication or...
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Not- nothing against those 'cause there are times when we really truly need them, but sometimes they're not always the answer or they're not the full answer Mm-hmm.
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Yeah, like that.
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That's a good, that's a good way to say it Yeah, very interesting.
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because that you know, the fact that it was banned and coming back, that was a, that's pretty critical to, what's going on.
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so with your healing arts practitioner world, you've got the Maori healing side and you've got the counseling side.
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Do they combine Yeah, so I d- I do have clients who overlap.
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Counseling's a little more regulated in WA in terms of, some of the processes of intake and, and permissions.
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But I get this, I get, body work clients to sign the same intake forms as well.
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But for me, in terms of how I'm working, I tend to see that clients will typically lean towards one side of it or the other.
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They'll be wanting, the counseling healing side, or they'll be wanting the body work side.
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So within counseling the mātauranga or the way of thinking will be introduced, and then within the body work I will sometimes spend more time talking if I think that that's appropriate or the, the person will benefit from some of those counseling skills.
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Although it won't be as in-depth.
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I do offer...
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It's more of a life coach package I trained as a life coach at the same time as I actually stepped into sharing the Māori healing because I had no...
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the people who I trained with were in New Zealand, so I had no model of how that would look in Australia, and I was like, "Okay, I'll do this life coach training."
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so at the time when I started, that was, like, 10 years ago or so, started a package which still goes to today, which is, one body work session then one talk session or vice versa, a talk session then a body work session.
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And w- we'll work more in that coaching way of, "Okay, here's where we're moving towards.
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Here's the goals."
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people will be wanting to publish a book, and they've got insecurities, or they're not sure about it.
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Or they will, Uh, I'll just think of some examples.
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People, they'll be wanting to, create their own training, and we'll, we'll work through that both in the somatic way, of what's the actual block.
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Because often what people bring and they think are the challenges aren't always the challenges.
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There'll often be these other things underneath that, yeah, draw, draw on those skill sets.
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But a- as far as in my mind, it is, it's, it sort of depends on how I contract people and that, that there's as much clarity there as possible for them to know what they're stepping into.
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But yeah, I do overlap it.
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But yeah, the simple answer is it does overlap.
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I try to be clear about where that's sitting and what, what you're coming into, and then have a discussion if I, if I think you'll fit into another stream in a better way.
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Very much an individually based Mm-hmm.
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Yeah, I sort of put out all the offerings, and then people will, self-select on how they wanna come in.
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So whether the body work, it'll, it'll typically...
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Not always, some people come more regularly, monthly or fortnightly or weekly.
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and then other people just come for a one-off, whereas counseling, it's normally recommended.
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You can have a one-off if you're really, really, like, in a state.
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But counseling's sort of, the energetics of it is that you have more sessions so that you can dig into things and just go away and work on it.
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And, and so it's a little bit of a different, I guess, worldview of how you're approaching that.
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Even though for me internally, you know, I grew up with a, a Maori father and a non-Maori mother, so I've always done that code shifting, uh, thing myself That gives you a, a great set of skills.
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So what does it take you, Gabrielle, to be a healing arts practitioner? It's really interesting.
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say it changes over the time.
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So 10 years in, I feel pretty confident in where I sit in terms of being a practitioner.
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but when I started, it was so I was coming out of more of a corporate mindset and a corporate space, and it, it felt like I was dying or like I was on show every time I stepped into like, "Here's what I wanna offer."
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And, I actually started doing, business coaching because that felt safe.
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It was like, "Okay, I know these people.
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I know their language."
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And then to bring in any of that, like, more spiritual view or Māori view felt like, is that allowed, and can I do that? Whereas, like, now that's not even, uh, really going through my mind.
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I'm like, "Okay, that person didn't vibe with that," but I'm not feeling in the same way of, like, uncertainty about my essence or my being, which I do remember at that time.
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I think running your own business can be really different than having a job or, or even doing any of your own endeavors, which is what a lot of people that you're talking to are doing.
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It's because when you have a role where you're on a wage, and you go there, and you sort of are doing someone else's, we say oreore, or their, their life force.
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You're u- you're giving to what they're doing.
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Whereas when it's yours, it, it can be a little bit more personal sometimes.
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If you, if you do something wrong, if you make the wrong appointment or, or something's wrong in the email, it's quite It can feel like a personal thing.
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So sometimes that, that can be challenging.
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On a, on a level, I think as I've, I've matured W- my business when I was 27, so the energy of a 27-year-old is so different than a 40-year-old, which I am now.
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And that, that life shift of how Then I was just like, "Okay, go to the networking thing.
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Just gotta meet these people, talk."
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And now that's like, oh, I don't really wanna do that so much.
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So i- it's that how do, how do I change the shift in thinking to still allow people to know about it without taking my life force in that active way as much? And then, yeah, so I feel like it's a lot of personal work So there's the business side.
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There's a lot of personal work to own your own business, to be confident in that, to, to get out and do it.
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It's such a huge deal to do something on your own, emotionally, monetarily, and the effort of time, and you Sometimes you don't know where it's going, and you're sort of just chucking things at it and hoping it'll stick.
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so on That's on the business side.
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And then as a, a practitioner, I would say there's also a lot of personal work.
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And I was thinking about it, as I was walking my dog along the beach this morning around, around our chat today and, and what might come up, and I was thinking of how th- so there's such a diverse number of people you're, you're meeting with such broad backgrounds.
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Sometimes people are having things happen to them that are- So horrific we wouldn't know that they were happening in our society if you live a certain way of life.
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So you're exposed to this really broad way of thinking, and it's, it's not a I don't know if I'd call it a mindfulness, but there's a I really have to have this strong awareness of, like, what's mine, and try to see the good in all people.
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I often think of clients like a, a coconut shell.
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There can be this hard shell on the outside, but once you get inside, there's this really yummy, energy inside, or something that's delicious, and you're like, "Oh, that's what you're about," and, and that's what ha- what's happening.
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So there's this, with the actual practice, there's attentiveness to people to try and why they're actually there.
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Because, as I mentioned earlier, sometimes people don't know why.
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They're just like, "I'm a bit stuck," or But when they go to describe it, they might not know.
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And then there's also an attentiveness of, like, can I actually provide what they're wanting? Am I the right fit? Th- there, so there's this, piece and then an acceptance of, oh my God, there's horrific things that have happened to this person, but that's not my life.
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There's this differentiation, uh, which can ta- can be really hard when you're a person who cares a lot, to be able to, to hold your own energy and go, "My life's actually okay."
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Or might, "Can't believe this person's going through this," or that they went through this a- and have that a- so both a compassion, but also hold at my own life in a, in a way where I'm not giving over of myself all the time.
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So I think that, that, um, I call I like to call them, love lines rather than boundaries.
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But yeah, sometimes I'm like, "Oh, I'm a little bit close to, like, overwhelm," or, I don't know if you'd, if you've heard of the You probably have with your wife and everything, but terms like vicarious trauma or So when you're hearing a lot of stories that are, traumatic that other people have gone to, it does enter your cells and your being.
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I can move my love lines out a little bit more.
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I've got more to offer.
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Hehe, so yeah, it, it's sort of that being attentive both to my life, to clients, and then learning not take my business so seriously, but also doing the work it needs to give it its life force as well.
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Yes, businesses definitely have their own life force.
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Do you find the same? I was, I was...
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That's what I was thinking in my brain when you were talking.
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I was like, "Oh, I wonder if you have those same quandaries" Yeah, you explained very well how it comes together or feels like it's not coming together, but sometimes things are happening and, Things either start or stop and you, and you don't always understand why Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
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It didn't come together exactly as I thought, but the graphics I developed for that actually then fit this, or th- these sorts of...
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In my head I'm like, "Oh yeah, I'll be able to do that, you know, by the end of the year."
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We- but having said that, I, when I first started, my practice, I was in a mastermind with a bunch of people, and they went more on that direct path, and they scaled really quickly.
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They did that, and I always had a more thing in my mind of like I'm building a body of work.
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I'm on a slightly different path, but I still love being around those discussions and learning because you're always like, "Oh, I never thought of that."
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Or, e- even us being in the Descript rooms, I'm like, "Oh, how exciting.
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I'm always sort of taking those sorts of things in Descript is what we're recording in as a, a software as a service, and you've been using it for editing, is that right? Yeah, use it to edit yeah, so I do as well, and then the recording is, uh, a separate functionality that you almost have to, have to find.
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And it was, um, It's sort of interesting, I guess, for me that the, that, that random way of things happening is how I've learned that things evolve for me.
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So it was even a, a client of mine who had been listening to my podcast was like, "You have to please look at Descript," because she couldn't, didn't like the audio.
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So I'm really grateful for the offerings people make where they're like, "You could be doing this better," or, "There's a more efficient way," or Because for me, I'm like, I want to be offering things, but I also know some things are more of my You know, it's better use of my time to be actually having the conversations, not, not doing all the things.
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I really enjoy that, learning aspect, and I enjoy the catching up with people and, and talking about what they're up to as well.
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Uh, that's, uh, been a big part of my background even back in the day when I was a sales rep.
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The most amazing thing was to drop into people's workplaces and say, "Oh, what do you need?" And they'll take you around and show you the business.
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It was fantastic Yeah, that's so cool Gabrielle, you have mentioned trauma a number of times on the way through And you mentioned the book, "The Body Keeps the Score."
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My wife talks about the seven generations of, of trauma.
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It sounds like what you're talking about goes even further Yeah.
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So in Māori culture, we're often thinking about our ancestry and it, when we think of ancestry, I guess is in the human realm, we're like, okay, grandparents, great-grandparents, that seven generations.
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So either Titimae Orangi or, uh, Oranga and then we bring that energy down through the clearing.
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So we're asking to go to a more renewed state.
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So sometimes the ancestral lines can be really, we, we don't even know the vibration of them, then they're so unknown to us.
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We don't know the story, but the belief is that there's, well, and I believe this, but the belief of the practice also is that there is a clearing through, through that more than that seven generations.
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in the origin story of the world in Māori, Māori culture, Ranginui Papatūānuku is the sky father and the earth mother, and they were in the dark tekure.
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And there's different, cycles of tekure, and their children decided they wanted to be in the light, so they actually separated them and severed them with a toki, and that was what created the world of light.
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So our world was actually created in the story through the separation or this violence, and then so we're trying to, like, go to before that and then bring that energy through to take away any violence, any, uh, any things where, um, Pa- we say that Papatūānuku was one of the first solo mothers.
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So we're trying to, like, heal some of that energy as well, and I think an- and one of the things I really like about our practice is that we try to balance and acknowledge the light and the dark.
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It's, like, looking at, yes, there's these things we, we want We prefer to be in light, and we prefer to be in joy, and we prefer to feel all those, like, vibrationally beautiful feelings.
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But then also there's real, very real yuck stuff that's happened in the world, and how do we, like, watch that, look at that, and acknowledge that as well? And I think that, that, story or that origin and then trying to find the, how we can look at those together, 'cause one is, like, people that are trying to bypass sometimes or just always being good, and then, nothing against beautiful people who are advocates or really fight for what's right, but getting stuck in that energy sometimes can be just a really heavy, feeling.
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So how do we balance those two realities of what we want as human beings and sit more in that, that middle place? that's what I like about the practice and about, about that origin story as well.
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that's a fascinating and structurally different way of looking at it compared to, what I've grown up with as well.
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The automatic view is to look back through the generations, going through, parents, grandparents.
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And yeah, looking at it from the, from the other end, from the origin and, looking forwards and, taking the good lessons from that, that, that's, not something that I've considered Mm-hmm.
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Yeah, and, um, so that's one of the classes that we, that I teach as well is, like, what those different energies are that were, like, pre-human.
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but they're, like, called ma- marekura fatukura, which is, like, light beings.
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And is it a significant proportion of the people coming to you with significant trauma? how The answer, the short answer's yes.
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I'm just trying to work out the best way to answer that.
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I w- I would say that trauma's a hard thing to define, and if we've ignored things that have happened.
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So I'd say every single person has through things that are really challenging in life, and if you even listen to people who seem to have it all together, they've gone through some things that would be really, really shocking.
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I would, I would say though, as in terms of who comes and sees me, it's a real broad range of people at different phases of their healing journey, and where, where, how they're thinking about that.
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But yeah, uh, pe- some people have been through a lot of, um, in different ways, whether that be physical, sexual, emotional, words said, and that's very common as well.
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So it's, uh, definitely a, a big issue, and there's a need for healing in that space Yeah.
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And I, I do, I do think that, it's so beautiful that it's becoming a little more normalized in our culture now.
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but it d- there does seem to be some things that require that somatic as well as the talk-based, for things to really land.
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Um, yeah, so it's, uh, depends on where you're at in your journey trauma's not something you can just explain away Hmm.
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try yeah, what I'm trying to say is that it-- dealing with trauma is not a simple thing No, no.
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I've gone through certain things in my life.
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I'll just u- I guess use myself as an example when, I, I have a relatively grounded and safe and more of a secure type life now than I did in the past, but, uh, that stuff will still come up, you know? Or even if you're...
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And maybe if we're always regulated, we don't see what, what we're really wanting to do that's interesting.
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You sort of blindside yourself Hmm.
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I do it to myself as well sometimes.
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I'm like, "Oh, everything's great."
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What's happening?" Gabrielle, what does it mean that you're able to be a healing arts practitioner? What does it mean to you, your family, or the community? Hmm.
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personally, it feels like it's, uh, to use the word calling, we use the word oriori, which means your, your d- your life's path or your life's, vibration, your life's lullaby.
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but I do see it as a calling.
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I look at my life the whole way through, I can see I was drawn to this sort of work throughout, even though went on a range of different, turnabouts and roundabouts and different studies.
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to my family, my actual family, my, um, family of origin, that nuclear family, that has been a really beautiful healing thing because this was in my lineage and there had been some disruptions to it.
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And it was always in my background, sort of like I knew I was called to do something with that.
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Uh, so that's been nourishing.
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But in my extended family, it's been quite disruptive in lots of ways in terms of how people view the practice, um, views about me being public with it.
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So that's at times been, uh, quite challenging, some of the ch- most challenging things I've, I've been through, in terms of that experience.
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And then, uh, for the community though, what I really love about being in WA and offering this is that there is quite a big Māori community here.
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Māori and non-Māori people come to this practice, but there is quite a big Māori community, and I feel so blessed to be able to offer, um, rumi and mirimiri here.
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counseling as well because there is, a- as you're probably hearing throughout this, there is a certain worldview that, can be different than an Australian worldview.
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And, and sometimes it's nice to have someone who's like, "Yeah, I get that.
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That's a normal thing," or, "That, yeah, that, that happened," and, and not be shocked with some of the traumatic experiences that are also a part of our culture as well as the beautiful parts.
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Uh, we're actually doing a, a practitioners gathering in, in Bunbury this weekend, uh, which is people who've who have been training, through Aka Tōra Whānui, which is the healing pr- healing training that I offer.
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And there's so many practitioners down south that we're, I'm heading down there for us to do, a day gathering there.
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So it sort of had, has these ripples into WA and in ways that I definitely did not realize when I started.
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I've had people share with me...
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It makes me wanna cry actually, but, they're not, not that they're not suited for work, but you know, single mamas who have done the training and then they're able to earn a little bit of extra money through offering from their own practice or people's lives that have changed.
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Uh, people- I've had people say that they've been able to, stop really hard drugs or th- th- through this engagement with the practice in a different way or, also achieved their dreams.
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And it's like to have been both witness to that and my- with my own clients, but also then to know that there's now practitioners out there rippling that out, it honestly, yeah, I wanna cry.
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It's so beautiful that that exists in the community from a practice that, as we started in the beginning, it was banned 50 years ago That's incredible.
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That's-- And that's how good things spread, isn't it? Mm.
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So I'm just, I'm just so proud of those who have stepped in and, and so grateful as well that some of the trainees have been such core and key pieces in making this possible for me, in terms of the support that they've offered in so many different ray- ways, and lots of the trainees, like, help me teach now and things like that.
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So it's been Yeah, it's a t- it's a community practice, and it's a community endeavor in lots of ways as well That's a beautiful thing to hear about Mm, yeah.
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Thank you Gabrielle, if somebody else wanted to become a healing arts practitioner, and I guess your variant of that is, is your specific one, and other people may have variations to that because the healing arts practitioner, is an umbrella, isn't it, really? Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm how would somebody, if they wanted to get on and become a healing arts practitioner, what would they need to do? well, yeah, like you say, there's different modalities, so there's loads of things you can look into that are, that are healing based.
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So yeah, my podcast, I talk to different modalities and different counselors and approaches 'cause I'm really interested in that.
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It's turohanga.com.au.
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Um, but maybe that'll be in the writings It's a Ma- it's a Maori word that means, to have a different perspective, and it was also the name of my grandparents' farm, so it's got a, a personal, connection for me.
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and that is on my website.
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There's details of that.
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We're, we're running a, um, three-day retreat weekend in Balingup in August, and then the next intake of the RomiRomi and Merimeri is in October.
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So that- and that's in, um, Bibra Lake in Perth.
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Hmm.
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reasonably central.
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Bibra Lake's along the freeway and that sort of thing, so And they're me, so that's why I chose it so I don't have to go too far.
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Of course Gotta make sure that the key people are Yeah.
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Yeah, and I always like having a little bit of nature 'cause so we do, we do some of the practice inside, and then if it's nice enough weather, we'll do some outside so that we're getting that mixture of different types of learning.
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And, There's lots of people come for their own personal development as well.
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So it'll be, they just know there's something, 'cause you're giving and receiving during the weekend.
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So they might just wanna learn more about, their Māori background, or they might just know there's something there for them.
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but yeah, the actual to be, registered as a, as a practitioner and receive the insurance, it takes 400 hours, which it, it encompasses the training, but also some practice at home and, a few different practice with clients and things like that.
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there is a formal course, with an outcome that actually leads you to be able to get insurance and, and that sort of thing? Yeah.
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It's registered with IICT, which is the International Institute for Complementary Therapists.
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but that's in Australia.
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So if you're somewhere else, so the program's actually registered i- for the insurance anywhere in the world.
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you do have to come be somewhere where I'm offering it to do it.
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But, except for the States 'cause they've got different insurance rules.
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So yeah, it's works that way.
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But yeah, so when I had Actually, do you mind if I tell this story of what happened with the training starting? Um, I, I was practicing and a solo practitioner and I didn't actually have plans to teach.
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And I was increasingly having, clients of mine say they wanted to learn.
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And I like, "Okay," thinking about it.
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So it was percolating in the background.
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And a client of mine actually got a grant for me to develop the training, and which is crazy cool, right? Like, it thanks to her, Charlie, for, for getting that.
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And that's what made me step into, to training.
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And I had no idea at all what I was doing.
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And in my head, I was thinking more in that, that s- more academic-y way of, of studying, and I sort of set it up that way.
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So when I'm talking about it, it probably sounds like that.
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But it became very quickly apparent within the first sort of 10 minutes that that's not what we were there to do.
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There was so much emotion and other things happening.
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It's immediately that I was like, "Wow, this beautiful thing does fit in the balance of that, of where there's this pathway where you can learn."
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And we're fitting into that Western aspect of being able to become registered, but there's also a really deep cultural healing, personal healing happening as well.
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So yeah, it was, um, it was a really cool thing, and I had no idea what I was doing when I first started.
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I, I literally tried to teach everyone everything I knew, and now that's developed into about eight different modules.
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at the time they got that all at once.
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You gotta get in there and do it.
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Doing it is most important, and then you work out how you might do it differently next time.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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many of the people who did that first training still practice, and they, they said, oh, they valued that so much, because they did learn a lot.
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And often the people who go through earlier ones will come and support later, and so they're like, "Oh, wow."
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We- they didn't realize that they were being given so much all at once, but they, they say that they value that as well That's an element of when you're given a, a challenge and you actually get through it, like there's great reward in that, isn't there? Mm.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah, I think so.
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Yeah, jumping off cliffs has certainly been, um, a, a lot of how my life's progressed and I just decided recently I don't wanna jump off so many cliffs, but yeah, you are, you are correct.
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every cliff you jump off is another way that you are encouraged and backed up in knowing what you're doing because you jumped off the cliff and you succeeded, you know you can do more Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's so true.
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It, it's al- you're literally finding your wings on the way down.
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You're like, "Okay.
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Ah."
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That's a, that's really, another way to look at it as well, is that the learning to fly.
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Yeah, yeah.
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then, and then I think my current after So, like, that was my cliff I was jumping off, and then my current cliff is, like, how does this thing exist without so much personal effort now where other people are coming in to hold space? So Tan, for example, holding down in the southwest, Busselton area more so, and then, starting to have those satellite energies of where it's not all coming from me, but it's more of a, a, an organism that, that we can, um, exist and support each other in different ways.
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That's my current personal challenge on how to configure that structurally.
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And there are so many options to do that.
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Great to hear that it's spreading.
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Hmm.
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Thank you Thank you very much, Gabrielle, for being on Forrest.Chat,
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Thank you for having me.
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That was fun Absolutely.
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