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Hello, everyone.
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My name is Chris Collier.
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I am the host of Conquer with Chris, the
podcast you don't wanna miss.
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Today is a very special day.
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I have Sandy Gledhill.
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Sandy, welcome to the show.
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Hey, Chris.
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Thanks so much for having me.
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Happy to be here.
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Listen.
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Where are you from, Sandy?
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What do you do?
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Let's hear a little bit about you.
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Well, originally from Chicago, so, you know,
you can't take the Chicago out of the girl.
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But I've been in, Southern California more than
half my life now, Bounced back and forth a few
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times.
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And I've had a long, very, you know, successful
and rewarding career as a corporate consultant.
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I got into business coaching before it was
cool, like, when there weren't very many women
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in it.
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One of my I was very privileged.
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One of my first connections was to Tony Robbins
and Chet Holmes back in the early 2000s and, so
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I really was able to cut my teeth, with some of
the greats and really sit at the feet and learn
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from some of the probably most forward thought
leaders in American business at the time,
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arguably even now.
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So, yeah, I've I've done a lot of that.
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Recently made sort of a big career switch and
change, which I know we're gonna get into.
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But that's, you know, I live with my my husband
here in Southern California.
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We have couple of grown kids in Alabama, and
then our youngest is an attorney in Los
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Angeles.
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My heart goes out to you about your kids in
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No.
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I'm just kidding.
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Just kidding.
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Your heart should go out for our grandkids
because they're all although our kids too, they
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all grew up there.
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So it's like those those 2 are my bonus kids.
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So, yeah, they they've got the accents and the
whole thing.
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Well, this is funny because we have a lot to
talk about here.
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I'm originally from Grand Rapids, Michigan.
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So, yeah, so you can take the you can take me
out of Michigan, but you can't take the
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Michigan out of me.
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I still claim it as home.
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Haven't been there in 30 plus years, except a
couple times, but, still claim it as home.
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So you and your husband live in California.
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You recently made a huge career change, made
several huge changes, as a matter of fact.
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Let's talk about that.
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Let's talk about that.
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Quintella, I'll let you tell your story.
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Yeah.
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Well, my husband's a career PI.
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He was 9 years military police and, 30 years
private detective.
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Together, we own a detective agency.
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I'm a bit of a serial entrepreneur, so at any
given time, I've got 3, 4, 5 businesses going.
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I hold my real estate license.
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I'm no longer active in the day to day, but I
do referrals.
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So I've got a lot going on, but the thrust of
my career has been corporate consulting.
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My degree is in marketing, public relations,
and my superpower has just always been solving
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complex business problems, kind of, on the fly.
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So back when I was doing that full time, my
business card said corporate problem solver,
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because that was the most accurate description
of what I did day to day along with the
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executive coaching.
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And my sweet spot tended to be $10 to
$20,000,000 organizations.
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I worked internationally.
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You know, I was not, I didn't have too many
dealings with Fortune 500 companies.
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I was more in that mid range corporation,
helping them grow mindset, but also grow in
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their financial goals and just overall
organizational growth.
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And I loved what I did, but at the end of the
day, I helped successful people find even more
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success.
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And I know that work was really important to my
clients, but there came a time where for me, it
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wasn't the end of the contribution that I knew
I had to humanity.
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I knew my destiny included some other things.
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And, so that prompted me to take a sabbatical
at the end, or I'm sorry, halfway through 2019.
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And when I did that, a whole bunch of things
changed.
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And this is what I think might be interesting
to your audience is when you take that first
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sort of leap of faith because I never thought I
could lay down my consulting.
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That was my bread and butter.
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You know, I made really good money doing that.
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But I did in order to write a book called The
Fearless Revolution.
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That was my plan in August of 2019 when I
walked away from my career.
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And the quick backstory there is that fear
entered my life pretty dramatically when I was
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7 years old, had to do with my parents getting
divorced.
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And so, you know, I didn't have the language or
the tools to deal with that fear.
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One fear sort of courted another until fast
forward a couple decades later, and I was,
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like, drowning in all kinds of fears.
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You know?
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The Let
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let's stay there for a second because I think
that's important because, like, you know, like,
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out of all the fears in the world, the fear of
public speaking is the worst supposedly.
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Not for me, but for most people, I'm not
normal.
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So let us address that because, you know, I've
heard you know, you can say things like fake
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evidence is appearing real, forget everything,
and run.
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You can make all those acronyms up, and it
sounds nice.
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But when you're in the moment, I have a good
friend who's a a former military, and he had to
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jump out of airplanes as part of his duty.
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And he said every time I went up, I said, god
he he he was saying, god, I shouldn't have to
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jump out of a good plane, and I'm scared.
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And then he looked across the hall and said,
fear, since I'm here anyway, I'm taking you
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with me.
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So let's talk about that whole fear thing.
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Let's let's deal with it because I think, like,
the fear of the unknown, the fear of, not
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knowing where your income's coming from can be
very traumatic and very limiting for people
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from taking that first step.
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Well, I had all the fears.
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I mean, I had I started with the, you know, is
there something wrong with me?
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Is you know, I'm not worth loving.
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People don't stick around for me.
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2, I'm afraid of heights.
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I'm afraid to fly.
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I'm afraid I mean, I had all the fears by the
time, you know, a few decades had gone by.
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And at some point, the fear of living that way
or the pain of living that way slightly edged
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out my big fear of letting the world know who I
really was because I was living in a wicked
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case of impostor syndrome.
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Right?
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Because I also had this big personality and and
this big leadership call on my life.
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So I had these sort of two tracks going, and
what I found was in all of my years of coaching
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and consulting, I was not alone.
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This is very common in high performing people,
especially.
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People who have a great capacity to succeed
often have a deep corresponding space where
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fear lives and, you know, informs their
decisions.
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So for me, ultimately, I got to the place where
it was like, I can't live this way anymore.
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I'm gonna do whatever it takes to overcome
these fears.
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And it began what became a 20 year quest.
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So I'm a researcher in my field, and so I did
what I know how to do.
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And I began to research fear and ultimately
this idea of fearlessness.
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And I found there's no research on
fearlessness.
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There are volumes and TED Talks, and speeches
written about courage, and courage is amazing.
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We have to activate our courage to push
ourselves out of our comfort zone at times, to
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take that step out of the airplane.
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Yes, you do sometimes have to take action in
the midst of your fear, but we've made courage
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the end game, and it's unsustainable.
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So if we're living in a state of doing it
afraid, then we're living in a state of afraid.
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Fearlessness is this magical land I found on
this 20 year quest.
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So I wrote my book, it's called The Fearless
Revolution because I believe we need a
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revolution around how we think about fear and
courage and fearlessness.
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And along the way, I found out some secrets.
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And so the byline on the book is the 7 secrets
to becoming fearless.
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Okay.
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Wow.
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So let let let's we haven't really got to your
transitions.
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Let's talk about your transitions for a minute.
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That's corporate America.
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And I'm guessing about the time, right after
that, if you left and you're writing your book,
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that's when corona hit.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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Well, 2019, August 31, 2019, I shut down every
contract I had.
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I can't remember the last time I didn't have
ongoing client contracts.
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So it was, you know, it was a scary
proposition.
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But when I did that and I woke up the next
Monday morning and realized the lack of
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pressure and just how I had allowed myself to
step into change, what happened is everything
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in my world kind of reordered itself, because
my mindset began to change.
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I put myself in different circumstances, and so
my brain was being signaled to highlight
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different evidence.
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So all of a sudden, my husband and I started
having different conversations.
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What what if we just downsized?
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What if we just started selling furniture?
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Just all of a sudden, I felt like my life was
cluttered, you know?
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And it wasn't.
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I'm not a clutter person.
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I just literally one day in October, I woke up
with this phrase in my head, empty your barn.
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I didn't even know what it meant, really, but
that day, I sold my dining room set and my
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patio set.
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And it started the snowball effect, and then in
November, my husband goes, I think we're
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supposed to list this house.
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And we had never considered that because it was
a beautiful Southern California pool home, and
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it would have made a great rental.
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Like, I've never been an asset I didn't wanna
leverage, so nothing in me wanted to sell this.
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But because I had stepped into, you know, the
scary zone, I was able to think differently,
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have different conversations.
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So we did.
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We either donated or sold almost all of our
possessions, got a very small storage unit for
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the nonnegotiables, and listed our house.
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It sold in 24 hours at full price, and we were
totally unprepared.
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So for a while, we floated around like nomads,
you know, Airbnb ing for a month here, staying
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with a family member for 2 weeks there, but
COVID hit about 2 weeks after we sold our
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house.
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So we spent 4 months floating around.
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We spent a month in the mountains of Prescott,
Arizona.
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And then we came back to Southern California.
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We bought a brand new 2021 5th wheel and found
an amazing resort, RV resort.
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And, that's where we are, and we've never been
happier.
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Well, I'm gonna take some, executive privilege
here because that's my end goal is to live in
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in a you know what's funny is is sometimes we
we see something, we make fun of something,
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ends up being something that we really hope and
live for at some point.
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You know, there's a skit on Saturday Night
Live, and I might even insert it in here.
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Van down by the river.
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That's what my whole family said.
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My whole family goes, aunt Sandy is gonna live
in a van down by the river.
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Under the bridge.
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Under the bridge.
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So I think that's so funny.
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But you know what?
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It's so funny how we, as people, we stereotype
different types of people.
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And now it's this this thing's catching on.
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It's becoming kind of a craze that people up
downsize and don't have so much.
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And what I realized is is the stuff we have
really has us more than it we have it.
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Because there's so many emotional ties, so many
I mean, it's for example, people who have an
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apartment or a house, there's no reason why you
should have storage.
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Hello?
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Let me say that again.
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There's no re you're doing reverse layaway.
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You own it, but you're paying someone else to
keep it for you.
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That doesn't make any sense.
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And at the end of the day, if you don't have a
whole lot of space now if you you have a studio
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apartment and you have 6 bedrooms worth of
furniture, that's a whole different thing if
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you're planning to grow into that.
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But, I would I would say go and sell it and use
the money to do something now to make your life
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better, Because you you don't we only have this
one life.
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Live it to its fullest.
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Enjoy.
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There's so much to see.
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I don't know, Sandy, if you're you're a fan of,
different YouTube people, but there's this guy
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named Traveling Robert.
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My wife and I love him.
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We watch him religiously, and we got the idea
that we could do it also by watching him
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because he doesn't do it full time, but he does
it enough where you could see yourself doing it
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full time.
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But first, you got out of your job.
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You downsized.
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You moved to a 5th wheel.
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Coronavirus hits in some order there.
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And now you're living in a resort.
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You guys are loving it.
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And what are you doing now?
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Well, what I've done is step into my destiny.
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You know, along this along the way in this 20
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fear.
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Fear is a liar.
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Fear always lies.
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Fear is external.
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We're not born with any fears.
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We're born with some amazing God given
instincts, but fear by definition is projecting
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yourself into the future anticipating a bad
outcome.
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As infants, we aren't projecting ourself into
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fear is learned, therefore can be unlearned.
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And in the book, I talk about some secrets and
you reference public speaking, which I love.
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I have never suffered that particular malady,
but I know a huge number of people do.
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So when I'm coaching with clients, I talk to
them about how they've entered into a bogus
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contract with fear.
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Fear tells us it's keeping us safe.
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Don't go on that stage.
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In fact, hand over your free will and your
decision making process to me, fear, and I'll
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keep you, Sandy, safe from that terrible
feeling you have when you're standing on stage,
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like people are, you know, looking at you.
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Well, it's not fear's job to keep us safe.
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It's wisdom's job, And fear masquerades as
wisdom all the time.
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So what happens is fear doesn't keep you safe.
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It keeps you living a smaller life than you
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So when I'm walking somebody through something
like a fear of public speaking, the first thing
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I have them do is identify.
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I wanna master list of your fears.
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Now I tend to be hyper positive in my focus, in
my language, but for the purpose of overcoming
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fear, you do have to really take a good look at
your fears long enough to kinda put them in the
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crosshairs.
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Write a master list of your fears, and then
give it super detailed language, every fear.
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Fear thrives in the shadows.
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It wants to be ambiguous.
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We see it when people are suffering from things
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Fear doesn't even want you to quite understand
what you're afraid of, So if it's fear of
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public speaking, it might break down something
like this.
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I'm afraid to stand on a stage in front of a
group of people and speak because I don't want
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my ideas to be criticized.
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I don't want people to have opinions about how
I look.
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I don't want people to have judgments about my
voice, or my body, or my ideas.
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I don't wanna look stupid.
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I don't wanna feel inferior.
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All of those things.
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To which I then say to people, and do you live
in the cave?
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Well, let me, you know
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They already think those things.
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News flash, you are out there in the world
using your voice in your body, looking the way
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you look.
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The fact that fear has told you that if you do
that in front of more than 1 person from a
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stage that's 2 steps higher than the floor,
suddenly you're in danger is ridiculous.
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So when you break it down, you can really see
how ludicrous most fears are.
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And then once that is a completed list, I
always have them write contract terminated
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across the top and burn that sucker into an ash
heap.
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And it's like step 1 for walking out of fear.
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So I have 7 action steps in the book that
people can follow just 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
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I believe I actually know for a fact there is a
way to move out of the bondage of fear and live
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in like the true liberty and freedom of
fearlessness.
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I am a truly fearless person now.
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And fearlessness is defined different than most
people think.
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So yeah, it's it's a fun message to bring to
the world.
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Well, if you watched previous episodes, you've
probably seen me make this admittance before,
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but I'm a make it again.
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I'm actually a pastor as well as all the other
stuff I do.
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So I've always had the thought, the opposite of
fear is love.
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Because there's one scripture in the bible that
says perfect love cast out all fear.
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So when you have fear, you have an absence of
love of something.
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And when love is really just knowing who god is
and how much you mean to him.
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So when you get the correct perspective, you
can't have fear if you're in love.
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Well, I'm a lifelong believer as well.
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And, it was really that scripture that you're
referencing in first John that really brought
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the fearlessness piece of this into focus
because, you know, I've read that a 1000000
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times in my life, but one day I read it,
perfect love casts out all fear.
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There is no fear in love.
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And I was looking at it through the lenses of
I'm on this quest to get out of fear.
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And I'm a big hermeneutical, you know, sort of
reader.
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I want Bible to interpret Bible.
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And in that same letter that John wrote, he
said, but what is this love?
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Not that we love God, but that he loves us.
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So it's not about becoming a perfect lover of
God, a perfect lover of yourself, a perfect
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lover of others.
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It's about understanding that you are perfectly
loved, and my message tends to be, in very
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plain language.
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I just have not made this a faith based
message.
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I am a faith based person bringing this
message, but, yeah, you hit the nail on the
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head.
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In the American church or even society, we tend
to believe that the opposite of love is hate,
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but it's not.
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The opposite of love is most definitely fear.
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And, you know, fear is about projecting
yourself into the future, anticipating a bad
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outcome.
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I live in hope, and I love the, I dig deep into
the Greek and Hebrew and different, you know,
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languages and meanings, and the Greek meaning
for the word hope is a confident expectation of
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a good outcome.
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So I live my life expecting that around the
next corner is some huge amazing surprise for
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me, where most people are like, oh, there's
calamity and catastrophe around the next
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corner.
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It's like, dude, stop living that way.
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Doesn't hope sound like a scripture from the
Old Testament?
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Jeremiah 2911?
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Yeah.
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Right.
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I have the son of you of of a certain man and a
certain outcome.
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That's hope.
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It is.
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It it absolutely is.
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All of those things are actually in the book.
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I tend to, like I said, I use very plain
language rather than giving a scripture
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reference.
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I might say there's a Hebrew proverb, because I
want it to be palatable to the whole world, but
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also to people who are believers.
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You know, in Christian believers.
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But, you know, if you're an atheist, which my
opinion of atheists are that they have very
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often rightly rejected a wrong view of God.
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I think we, as the the church, have frequently
put out a wrong view of an angry father as God.
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A good friend of mine, I just had had him on my
podcast, he calls it angry angry dad theology.
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And so his whole plan in life is to kill angry
dad theology.
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But, you know, it doesn't matter where you come
from or what you believe.
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This message of fearlessness is true.
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It is just capital t truth.
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And my goal, my destiny, my calling, my mission
in life is to bring these tools to the world.
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Because fear is afraid of me now.
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I wake up in the morning and fear is like, Oh,
crap.
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She's up.
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Because I spend all day every day doing stuff
just like this.
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I will bring the truth of fearlessness to the
world, and, you know, it's just my mission.
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I want people set free.
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That's amazing.
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Well, Sandy, what's your what's your favorite
quote?
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So many.
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But I really like this guy.
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His name is Joseph Campbell, and he is an
American author from, like, the beginning of
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20th century.
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I think he was born in the early 1900.
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And he has this quote that says, the cave you
fear holds the treasure you seek.
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The cave you fear holds the treasure you seek.
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I find that to be true because I know in my
life, fear has come against me, specifically in
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those areas where I was designed to kind of,
you know, rule and reign in the world.
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So, I do a lot of identity work because I
believe that fearlessness 1st, you have to know
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who you are, then you have to know why you are,
then you have to learn to partner, and partner
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with, and trust your intuition.
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And so part of my identity is I'm a treasure
hunter, and I'm a mouthpiece.
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It's just who I am as a person.
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And my voice is my superpower, and it's
necessary for me to bring this message, like,
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to trumpet this message to the world.
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So my voice has been the thing that's been most
discredited, dishonored, mocked, you know,
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Sandy's a good student, but she talks too much.
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Shh, you're too loud.
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All of those things it's like everything came
against my voice, and I had to learn to flip
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that script and say, fear was trying to shut me
down in the area that I was created to actually
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flourish.
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Wow.
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Wow.
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Well, what a powerful message.
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How can people find you if they wanna get in
touch with you?
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May they need help being released from fear
into fearlessness?
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How can they find you?
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I have made it as easy as possible.
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Absolutely everything has the same name.
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So I suggest people start with my website,
which is the fearlessrevolution.com.
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If you go on my website, I want your listeners
to know that I've got kind of a free thing that
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they can do.
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If you want to opt in just with your name and
email, every month of this year, I'm giving
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away a free signed copy of my book.
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Looks like this.
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And on the last day of every month, I'm drawing
a name, and so you can do one entry per email
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address every month.
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My podcast is called The Fearless Revolution.
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My YouTube channel, The Fearless Revolution.
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My book is on Amazon, both paperback and
Kindle.
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Let's see my fave I have a free Facebook group
where I give away free coaching, and also
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discounts to my courses, and then I do have
some courses that I offer, like, Kajabi type
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pre recorded courses.
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So you can get those through my website or by
hopping on to my Facebook group.
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I'm on Instagram.
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I mean, LinkedIn.
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Just go find me.
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Well, we'll we'll make sure those links are in
the description.
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For sure.
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But, the fearless revolution.
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Yep.
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Important, important stuff.
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Because so much of the society so much of our
society is linked to fear, and, we could change
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the world if we could just come out of it.
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Right?
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And so I wanna thank my guest, Sandy Gledhill,
for being here.
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And I wanna thank each of you for watching.
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Please like, share, and subscribe, and leave a
comment also.
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Thank you so much.
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Have a great day.
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Hello, everyone.
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My name is Chris Collier.
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I am the host of Conquer with Chris, the
podcast you don't wanna miss.
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Today is a very special day.
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I have Sandy Gledhill.
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Sandy, welcome to the show.
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Hey, Chris.
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Thanks so much for having me.
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Happy to be here.
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Listen.
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Where are you from, Sandy?
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What do you do?
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Let's hear a little bit about you.
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Well, originally from Chicago, so, you know,
you can't take the Chicago out of the girl.
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But I've been in, Southern California more than
half my life now, Bounced back and forth a few
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times.
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And I've had a long, very, you know, successful
and rewarding career as a corporate consultant.
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I got into business coaching before it was
cool, like, when there weren't very many women
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in it.
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One of my I was very privileged.
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One of my first connections was to Tony Robbins
and Chet Holmes back in the early 2000s and, so
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I really was able to cut my teeth, with some of
the greats and really sit at the feet and learn
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from some of the probably most forward thought
leaders in American business at the time,
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arguably even now.
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So, yeah, I've I've done a lot of that.
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Recently made sort of a big career switch and
change, which I know we're gonna get into.
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But that's, you know, I live with my my husband
here in Southern California.
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We have couple of grown kids in Alabama, and
then our youngest is an attorney in Los
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My heart goes out to you about your kids in
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I'm just kidding.
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Just kidding.
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Your heart should go out for our grandkids
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So, yeah, they they've got the accents and the
whole thing.
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Well, this is funny because we have a lot to
talk about here.
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I'm originally from Grand Rapids, Michigan.
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So, yeah, so you can take the you can take me
out of Michigan, but you can't take the
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Michigan out of me.
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I still claim it as home.
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Haven't been there in 30 plus years, except a
couple times, but, still claim it as home.
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So you and your husband live in California.
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You recently made a huge career change, made
several huge changes, as a matter of fact.
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Let's talk about that.
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Let's talk about that.
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Quintella, I'll let you tell your story.
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Yeah.
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Well, my husband's a career PI.
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He was 9 years military police and, 30 years
private detective.
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Together, we own a detective agency.
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I'm a bit of a serial entrepreneur, so at any
given time, I've got 3, 4, 5 businesses going.
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I hold my real estate license.
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I'm no longer active in the day to day, but I
do referrals.
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So I've got a lot going on, but the thrust of
my career has been corporate consulting.
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My degree is in marketing, public relations,
and my superpower has just always been solving
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complex business problems, kind of, on the fly.
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So back when I was doing that full time, my
business card said corporate problem solver,
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because that was the most accurate description
of what I did day to day along with the
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executive coaching.
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And my sweet spot tended to be $10 to
$20,000,000 organizations.
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I worked internationally.
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You know, I was not, I didn't have too many
dealings with Fortune 500 companies.
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I was more in that mid range corporation,
helping them grow mindset, but also grow in
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their financial goals and just overall
organizational growth.
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And I loved what I did, but at the end of the
day, I helped successful people find even more
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success.
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And I know that work was really important to my
clients, but there came a time where for me, it
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wasn't the end of the contribution that I knew
I had to humanity.
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I knew my destiny included some other things.
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And, so that prompted me to take a sabbatical
at the end, or I'm sorry, halfway through 2019.
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And when I did that, a whole bunch of things
changed.
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And this is what I think might be interesting
to your audience is when you take that first
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sort of leap of faith because I never thought I
could lay down my consulting.
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That was my bread and butter.
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You know, I made really good money doing that.
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But I did in order to write a book called The
Fearless Revolution.
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That was my plan in August of 2019 when I
walked away from my career.
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And the quick backstory there is that fear
entered my life pretty dramatically when I was
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7 years old, had to do with my parents getting
divorced.
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And so, you know, I didn't have the language or
the tools to deal with that fear.
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One fear sort of courted another until fast
forward a couple decades later, and I was,
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like, drowning in all kinds of fears.
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You know?
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The Let
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let's stay there for a second because I think
that's important because, like, you know, like,
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out of all the fears in the world, the fear of
public speaking is the worst supposedly.
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Not for me, but for most people, I'm not
normal.
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So let us address that because, you know, I've
heard you know, you can say things like fake
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evidence is appearing real, forget everything,
and run.
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You can make all those acronyms up, and it
sounds nice.
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But when you're in the moment, I have a good
friend who's a a former military, and he had to
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jump out of airplanes as part of his duty.
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And he said every time I went up, I said, god
he he he was saying, god, I shouldn't have to
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jump out of a good plane, and I'm scared.
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And then he looked across the hall and said,
fear, since I'm here anyway, I'm taking you
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with me.
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So let's talk about that whole fear thing.
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Let's let's deal with it because I think, like,
the fear of the unknown, the fear of, not
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knowing where your income's coming from can be
very traumatic and very limiting for people
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from taking that first step.
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Well, I had all the fears.
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I mean, I had I started with the, you know, is
there something wrong with me?
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Is you know, I'm not worth loving.
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People don't stick around for me.
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2, I'm afraid of heights.
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I'm afraid to fly.
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I'm afraid I mean, I had all the fears by the
time, you know, a few decades had gone by.
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And at some point, the fear of living that way
or the pain of living that way slightly edged
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out my big fear of letting the world know who I
really was because I was living in a wicked
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case of impostor syndrome.
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Right?
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Because I also had this big personality and and
this big leadership call on my life.
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So I had these sort of two tracks going, and
what I found was in all of my years of coaching
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and consulting, I was not alone.
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This is very common in high performing people,
especially.
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People who have a great capacity to succeed
often have a deep corresponding space where
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fear lives and, you know, informs their
decisions.
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So for me, ultimately, I got to the place where
it was like, I can't live this way anymore.
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I'm gonna do whatever it takes to overcome
these fears.
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And it began what became a 20 year quest.
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So I'm a researcher in my field, and so I did
what I know how to do.
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And I began to research fear and ultimately
this idea of fearlessness.
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And I found there's no research on
fearlessness.
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There are volumes and TED Talks, and speeches
written about courage, and courage is amazing.
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We have to activate our courage to push
ourselves out of our comfort zone at times, to
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take that step out of the airplane.
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Yes, you do sometimes have to take action in
the midst of your fear, but we've made courage
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the end game, and it's unsustainable.
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So if we're living in a state of doing it
afraid, then we're living in a state of afraid.
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Fearlessness is this magical land I found on
this 20 year quest.
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So I wrote my book, it's called The Fearless
Revolution because I believe we need a
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revolution around how we think about fear and
courage and fearlessness.
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And along the way, I found out some secrets.
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And so the byline on the book is the 7 secrets
to becoming fearless.
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Okay.
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Wow.
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So let let let's we haven't really got to your
transitions.
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Let's talk about your transitions for a minute.
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That's corporate America.
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And I'm guessing about the time, right after
that, if you left and you're writing your book,
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that's when corona hit.
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Right?
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Well, 2019, August 31, 2019, I shut down every
contract I had.
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I can't remember the last time I didn't have
ongoing client contracts.
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So it was, you know, it was a scary
proposition.
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But when I did that and I woke up the next
Monday morning and realized the lack of
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pressure and just how I had allowed myself to
step into change, what happened is everything
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in my world kind of reordered itself, because
my mindset began to change.
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I put myself in different circumstances, and so
my brain was being signaled to highlight
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different evidence.
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So all of a sudden, my husband and I started
having different conversations.
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What what if we just downsized?
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What if we just started selling furniture?
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Just all of a sudden, I felt like my life was
cluttered, you know?
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And it wasn't.
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I'm not a clutter person.
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I just literally one day in October, I woke up
with this phrase in my head, empty your barn.
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I didn't even know what it meant, really, but
that day, I sold my dining room set and my
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patio set.
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And it started the snowball effect, and then in
November, my husband goes, I think we're
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supposed to list this house.
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And we had never considered that because it was
a beautiful Southern California pool home, and
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it would have made a great rental.
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Like, I've never been an asset I didn't wanna
leverage, so nothing in me wanted to sell this.
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But because I had stepped into, you know, the
scary zone, I was able to think differently,
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have different conversations.
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So we did.
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We either donated or sold almost all of our
possessions, got a very small storage unit for
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the nonnegotiables, and listed our house.
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It sold in 24 hours at full price, and we were
totally unprepared.
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So for a while, we floated around like nomads,
you know, Airbnb ing for a month here, staying
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with a family member for 2 weeks there, but
COVID hit about 2 weeks after we sold our
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house.
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We spent a month in the mountains of Prescott,
Arizona.
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And then we came back to Southern California.
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We bought a brand new 2021 5th wheel and found
an amazing resort, RV resort.
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And, that's where we are, and we've never been
happier.
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Well, I'm gonna take some, executive privilege
here because that's my end goal is to live in
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in a you know what's funny is is sometimes we
we see something, we make fun of something,
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ends up being something that we really hope and
live for at some point.
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You know, there's a skit on Saturday Night
Live, and I might even insert it in here.
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Van down by the river.
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That's what my whole family said.
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My whole family goes, aunt Sandy is gonna live
in a van down by the river.
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Under the bridge.
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Under the bridge.
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So I think that's so funny.
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But you know what?
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It's so funny how we, as people, we stereotype
different types of people.
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And now it's this this thing's catching on.
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It's becoming kind of a craze that people up
downsize and don't have so much.
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And what I realized is is the stuff we have
really has us more than it we have it.
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Because there's so many emotional ties, so many
I mean, it's for example, people who have an
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apartment or a house, there's no reason why you
should have storage.
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Hello?
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Let me say that again.
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There's no re you're doing reverse layaway.
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You own it, but you're paying someone else to
keep it for you.
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That doesn't make any sense.
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And at the end of the day, if you don't have a
whole lot of space now if you you have a studio
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apartment and you have 6 bedrooms worth of
furniture, that's a whole different thing if
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you're planning to grow into that.
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But, I would I would say go and sell it and use
the money to do something now to make your life
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better, Because you you don't we only have this
one life.
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Live it to its fullest.
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Enjoy.
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There's so much to see.
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I don't know, Sandy, if you're you're a fan of,
different YouTube people, but there's this guy
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named Traveling Robert.
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My wife and I love him.
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We watch him religiously, and we got the idea
that we could do it also by watching him
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because he doesn't do it full time, but he does
it enough where you could see yourself doing it
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full time.
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But first, you got out of your job.
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You downsized.
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You moved to a 5th wheel.
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Coronavirus hits in some order there.
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You guys are loving it.
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And what are you doing now?
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Well, what I've done is step into my destiny.
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You know, along this along the way in this 20
year quest, I realized a lot of things about
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fear.
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Fear is a liar.
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Fear always lies.
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Fear is external.
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We're not born with any fears.
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We're born with some amazing God given
instincts, but fear by definition is projecting
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yourself into the future anticipating a bad
outcome.
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As infants, we aren't projecting ourself into
any future, let alone a negative one, so all
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fear is learned, therefore can be unlearned.
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And in the book, I talk about some secrets and
you reference public speaking, which I love.
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I have never suffered that particular malady,
but I know a huge number of people do.
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So when I'm coaching with clients, I talk to
them about how they've entered into a bogus
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contract with fear.
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Fear tells us it's keeping us safe.
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Don't go on that stage.
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In fact, hand over your free will and your
decision making process to me, fear, and I'll
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keep you, Sandy, safe from that terrible
feeling you have when you're standing on stage,
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like people are, you know, looking at you.
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Well, it's not fear's job to keep us safe.
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It's wisdom's job, And fear masquerades as
wisdom all the time.
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So what happens is fear doesn't keep you safe.
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It keeps you living a smaller life than you
were intended to live.
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So when I'm walking somebody through something
like a fear of public speaking, the first thing
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I have them do is identify.
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I wanna master list of your fears.
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Now I tend to be hyper positive in my focus, in
my language, but for the purpose of overcoming
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fear, you do have to really take a good look at
your fears long enough to kinda put them in the
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crosshairs.
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Write a master list of your fears, and then
give it super detailed language, every fear.
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Fear thrives in the shadows.
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It wants to be ambiguous.
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We see it when people are suffering from things
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Notice it's not specific anxiety disorder.
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Fear doesn't even want you to quite understand
what you're afraid of, So if it's fear of
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public speaking, it might break down something
like this.
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I'm afraid to stand on a stage in front of a
group of people and speak because I don't want
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my ideas to be criticized.
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I don't want people to have opinions about how
I look.
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I don't want people to have judgments about my
voice, or my body, or my ideas.
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I don't wanna look stupid.
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I don't wanna feel inferior.
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All of those things.
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To which I then say to people, and do you live
in the cave?
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And they're like, no.
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Well, let me, you know
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They already think those things.
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News flash, you are out there in the world
using your voice in your body, looking the way
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you look.
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The fact that fear has told you that if you do
that in front of more than 1 person from a
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stage that's 2 steps higher than the floor,
suddenly you're in danger is ridiculous.
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So when you break it down, you can really see
how ludicrous most fears are.
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And then once that is a completed list, I
always have them write contract terminated
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across the top and burn that sucker into an ash
heap.
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And it's like step 1 for walking out of fear.
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So I have 7 action steps in the book that
people can follow just 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
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I believe I actually know for a fact there is a
way to move out of the bondage of fear and live
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in like the true liberty and freedom of
fearlessness.
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I am a truly fearless person now.
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And fearlessness is defined different than most
people think.
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So yeah, it's it's a fun message to bring to
the world.
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Well, if you watched previous episodes, you've
probably seen me make this admittance before,
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but I'm a make it again.
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I'm actually a pastor as well as all the other
stuff I do.
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So I've always had the thought, the opposite of
fear is love.
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Because there's one scripture in the bible that
says perfect love cast out all fear.
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So when you have fear, you have an absence of
love of something.
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And when love is really just knowing who god is
and how much you mean to him.
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So when you get the correct perspective, you
can't have fear if you're in love.
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Well, I'm a lifelong believer as well.
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And, it was really that scripture that you're
referencing in first John that really brought
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the fearlessness piece of this into focus
because, you know, I've read that a 1000000
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times in my life, but one day I read it,
perfect love casts out all fear.
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There is no fear in love.
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And I was looking at it through the lenses of
I'm on this quest to get out of fear.
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And I'm a big hermeneutical, you know, sort of
reader.
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I want Bible to interpret Bible.
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And in that same letter that John wrote, he
said, but what is this love?
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Not that we love God, but that he loves us.
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So it's not about becoming a perfect lover of
God, a perfect lover of yourself, a perfect
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lover of others.
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It's about understanding that you are perfectly
loved, and my message tends to be, in very
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plain language.
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I just have not made this a faith based
message.
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I am a faith based person bringing this
message, but, yeah, you hit the nail on the
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head.
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In the American church or even society, we tend
to believe that the opposite of love is hate,
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but it's not.
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The opposite of love is most definitely fear.
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And, you know, fear is about projecting
yourself into the future, anticipating a bad
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outcome.
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I live in hope, and I love the, I dig deep into
the Greek and Hebrew and different, you know,
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languages and meanings, and the Greek meaning
for the word hope is a confident expectation of
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a good outcome.
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So I live my life expecting that around the
next corner is some huge amazing surprise for
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me, where most people are like, oh, there's
calamity and catastrophe around the next
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corner.
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It's like, dude, stop living that way.
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Doesn't hope sound like a scripture from the
Old Testament?
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Jeremiah 2911?
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Yeah.
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Right.
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I have the son of you of of a certain man and a
certain outcome.
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Mhmm.
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That's hope.
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Yeah.
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It is.
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It it absolutely is.
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All of those things are actually in the book.
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I tend to, like I said, I use very plain
language rather than giving a scripture
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reference.
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I might say there's a Hebrew proverb, because I
want it to be palatable to the whole world, but
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also to people who are believers.
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You know, in Christian believers.
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But, you know, if you're an atheist, which my
opinion of atheists are that they have very
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often rightly rejected a wrong view of God.
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I think we, as the the church, have frequently
put out a wrong view of an angry father as God.
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Yeah.
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A good friend of mine, I just had had him on my
podcast, he calls it angry angry dad theology.
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And so his whole plan in life is to kill angry
dad theology.
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But, you know, it doesn't matter where you come
from or what you believe.
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This message of fearlessness is true.
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It is just capital t truth.
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And my goal, my destiny, my calling, my mission
in life is to bring these tools to the world.
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Because fear is afraid of me now.
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I wake up in the morning and fear is like, Oh,
crap.
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She's up.
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Because I spend all day every day doing stuff
just like this.
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I will bring the truth of fearlessness to the
world, and, you know, it's just my mission.
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I want people set free.
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That's amazing.
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Well, Sandy, what's your what's your favorite
quote?
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So many.
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But I really like this guy.
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His name is Joseph Campbell, and he is an
American author from, like, the beginning of
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20th century.
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I think he was born in the early 1900.
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And he has this quote that says, the cave you
fear holds the treasure you seek.
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The cave you fear holds the treasure you seek.
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I find that to be true because I know in my
life, fear has come against me, specifically in
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those areas where I was designed to kind of,
you know, rule and reign in the world.
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So, I do a lot of identity work because I
believe that fearlessness 1st, you have to know
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who you are, then you have to know why you are,
then you have to learn to partner, and partner
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with, and trust your intuition.
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And so part of my identity is I'm a treasure
hunter, and I'm a mouthpiece.
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It's just who I am as a person.
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And my voice is my superpower, and it's
necessary for me to bring this message, like,
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to trumpet this message to the world.
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So my voice has been the thing that's been most
discredited, dishonored, mocked, you know,
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Sandy's a good student, but she talks too much.
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Shh, you're too loud.
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All of those things it's like everything came
against my voice, and I had to learn to flip
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that script and say, fear was trying to shut me
down in the area that I was created to actually
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flourish.
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Wow.
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Wow.
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Well, what a powerful message.
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How can people find you if they wanna get in
touch with you?
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May they need help being released from fear
into fearlessness?
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How can they find you?
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I have made it as easy as possible.
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Absolutely everything has the same name.
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So I suggest people start with my website,
which is the fearlessrevolution.com.
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If you go on my website, I want your listeners
to know that I've got kind of a free thing that
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they can do.
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If you want to opt in just with your name and
email, every month of this year, I'm giving
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away a free signed copy of my book.
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Looks like this.
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And on the last day of every month, I'm drawing
a name, and so you can do one entry per email
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address every month.
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My podcast is called The Fearless Revolution.
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My YouTube channel, The Fearless Revolution.
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My book is on Amazon, both paperback and
Kindle.
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Let's see my fave I have a free Facebook group
where I give away free coaching, and also
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discounts to my courses, and then I do have
some courses that I offer, like, Kajabi type
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pre recorded courses.
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So you can get those through my website or by
hopping on to my Facebook group.
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I'm on Instagram.
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I mean, LinkedIn.
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Just go find me.
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Well, we'll we'll make sure those links are in
the description.
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For sure.
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But, the fearless revolution.
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Yep.
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Important, important stuff.
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Because so much of the society so much of our
society is linked to fear, and, we could change
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the world if we could just come out of it.
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Right?
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And so I wanna thank my guest, Sandy Gledhill,
for being here.
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And I wanna thank each of you for watching.
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Please like, share, and subscribe, and leave a
comment also.
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Thank you so much.
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Have a great day.
