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00:00:05.644Sideways was released October 22nd, 2004, by Fox Searchlight Pictures.
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00:00:11.746It received widespread acclaim from critics and is now regarded as one of the greatest films of the 2000s.
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00:00:25.280At the 77th Academy Awards, the film was nominated for Best Picture, Best Director, Best Supporting Actor, Thomas Hayden Church, Best Supporting Actress, Virginia Madsen, and Best Adapted Screenplay, the last of which it won.
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00:00:33.356It is mildly surprising the Paul Giamatti's performance was not nominated, as it is the primary thing most people remember after seeing the movie.
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00:00:49.427Case in point, Sideways' most significant contribution to the culture was the shockwaves it sent through the wine industry as consumer behavior changed seemingly overnight, thanks to one single exchange spoken by Paul Giamatti's Miles.
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00:00:50.987Do not sabotage me.
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00:00:54.979If you want to be a fucking lightweight, then that's your call, but do not sabotage me.
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00:00:56.941Oh, aye aye, Captain, you got it.
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00:00:59.000And if they want to drink Merlot, we're drinking Merlot.
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00:01:00.773No, if anybody orders Merlot, I'm leaving.
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00:01:05.885I am not drinking any fucking Merlot! Okay, okay, relax, Miles.
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00:01:08.006Jesus, no Merlot.
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00:01:15.430With that melodramatic yet otherwise throwaway moment, American consumers started to abandon Merlot en masse.
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00:01:24.070And Pinot Noir, the grape that Miles waxes poetic about numerous monologues throughout the movie, became a superstar while Merlot's sales plummeted.
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00:01:27.433This became known as the Sideways Effect.
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00:01:37.239But, in truth, there was a previous similar effect from a popular broadcast that led to Merleau's demise nearly 13 years earlier.
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00:01:42.381In November of 1991, 60 Minutes aired a feature called The French Paradox.
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00:01:48.358It effectively asks, If all the French consume are cheese, bread, and cigarettes, how the hell are their hearts still beating?
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00:01:53.100The answer, investigators implied, was red wine.
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00:02:00.043The effect on the industry was immediate and extreme, and it served as a kind of rough draft for what would come later with Sideways.
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00:02:10.705Across California, vineyards expanded rapidly, and many white variations or varieties were replanted or grafted over to red to appease public demand.
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00:02:23.336Madeleine Trafon, the first female American master somelier who had been working in wine since 1977, said, Quote, I was working the floor at the rattlesnake club in Detroit at the time, and it was like somebody hit a switch.
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00:02:30.158Suddenly, people that never drank wine would plop down and say, No martini tonight, we want red wine, unquote.
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00:02:36.801And she had to contend not only with an unexpected spike in wine sales, but a clientele that had no idea what they liked.
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00:02:45.183Quote, Most people's concept of red wine was Cabernet, and they looked to me to give them a bottle that was like that, only softer, unquote.
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00:02:47.985Merlot was the obvious fit.
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00:02:54.326The sun demand for Merlot sent wineries scrambling for Merlot fruit, juice, wine, anything they could get their hands on.
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00:03:07.629Planting swelled accordingly, and the tendency to plant Merlot in less than ideal places, places that were growing white grapes, not red, gained traction at both the macro state and the micro vineyard level.
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00:03:15.753In the end, the market was flooded with a lot of Merlot grapes in the wrong places, and very rapidly people started turning their noses up at it.
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00:03:23.019Meanwhile, in the wake of Sideways, Pinot plantings in California increased 170%.
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00:03:31.283Which to put that put that into perspective, plantings overall have only increased seven to eight percent in that same timeframe.
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00:03:35.635This is especially ironic as Pinot is, as Miles states in the movie.
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00:03:48.437even more finicky and difficult to grow than Merlot, meaning Pinot now being in the same position as Merlot was in 2004, many bottom shelf and bulk bottlings of exceptionally poor quality Pinot abounded.
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00:04:06.593And Pinot can rarely work as blends with other grapes, making its quality stand out even more than the easily blendable Merlot, where people could have blended in a little bit of something else to make low-quality Merlot seem like it was better quality than it actually was, and Pinot you could not do the same with.
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00:04:16.163In retrospect, the sideways effect seems to have been the enormous surge in popularity for Pinot versus a comparatively modest decline in Merlot sales.
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00:04:23.870Because at the end of the day, the smoothness, fruitiness, and overall easy drinking quality of Merlot is what makes it stand out.
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00:04:35.603This entire saga is no better encapsulated than in the end of Sideways itself, when Miles drinks a legendary 1961 Chateau Chevroblanc out of a styrofoam cup in a fast food diner.
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00:04:44.432This is a priceless bottling of Merlot from Bordeaux, a wine Miles was saving to celebrate his getting back together with his ex-wife.
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00:04:46.985His hatred of Merlot was due to her loving it.
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00:04:57.668And his finally re-embracing it, Miles unquestionably knew it was Merlot, or at least I say so, was him letting go of the past, moving forward into a new potential future.
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00:05:05.670Just as we all should, perhaps, let go of TV talking heads and fictional narratives informing us what we should drink and why.
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00:05:13.314So, folks, I'm here to drink some Merlot, look side-eyed at Pinot, and talk about this legendary character study dramedy cum wine movie sideways.
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00:05:14.994Let's get to it.
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00:05:17.223Ventertain.
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00:05:32.850Yes sir! We'll have a real good time! He's Dave, and I'm Dallas, and this is Ventertainment.
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00:05:38.399We have opinions on just about everything.
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00:05:40.649Sometimes those opinions are spot on.
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00:05:44.812Sometimes they go down easier with a glass of wine.
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00:05:56.904This is Ventertainment, the Wine and Entertainment Pairing Podcast.
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00:06:03.877Welcome back everyone.
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00:06:06.459This is a podcast where we pair wine with entertainment.
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00:06:08.543It is as simple as that.
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00:06:16.021Now, before we hit our movie today, we first have to challenge Dallas with the line trivia question of the week.
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00:06:18.860Yep, let's do it.
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00:06:24.473Merlot is the primary grape in which Bordeaux regions?
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00:06:33.579A, Madok, B, Saint Emilion, C, Pomerol, D, Margot, or E, all of the above.
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00:06:37.382And once again for the listeners, Merlot is the primary grape in which Bordeaux regions?
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00:06:42.725Medoc, Saint Emilion, Pomerol, Margot, or all of the above.
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00:06:46.870uh man, uh it's definitely primary in Saint Emilian.
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00:06:49.124Uh I believe yes.
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00:06:52.312and uh hold on.
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00:06:53.524Is it all of the above?
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00:06:54.617No, it's B.
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00:06:55.512That's my answer.
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00:06:56.093Saint Emilian?
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00:06:56.723Yeah.
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00:06:57.814It can be any mix of them.
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00:07:01.588You wanna throw any you wanna just gamble and throw one more in there?
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00:07:03.829Or you wanna stick to your gun?
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00:07:07.168Saint Emilion and D Margot.
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00:07:08.009Completely wrong.
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00:07:09.512Saint Amelion's right.
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00:07:10.343Havrock St.
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00:07:11.343Amelia is correct.
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00:07:11.524Yes.
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00:07:11.904All right.
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00:07:13.464Margot is not though.
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00:07:15.913It is Pomerol and Saint Emilian.
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00:07:16.276Ah.
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00:07:17.086Are the two.
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00:07:24.687They're the two most prominent of the Merlot, and Merlot is coming from the right bank of Bordeaux, folks.
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00:07:30.209And right bank, left bank, Bordeaux, there's a river that runs right down Merlot and it's divides it right into two halves.
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00:07:32.660So you'll always hear left bank and right bank.
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00:07:35.380Um, and the left and right are when you're looking at the map.
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00:07:38.923So it's the left side of the map versus the right side of the map, not.
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00:07:42.435when you're in any of these countries or anything like that, or which direction you're facing.
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00:07:44.536It's literally when you're looking down at a map.
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00:07:46.553It is the left and the right side of that map.
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00:07:50.706Uh the left bank is Cabernet Sevillon heavy almost always.
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00:07:55.557It's that in Cab Franc, predominantly some Merlot can be in there, but very little.
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00:07:58.588cause Cab Sab just grows so much better in the soil there.
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00:08:01.949It's granitic soil and Merlot needs clay rich soil.
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00:08:08.290And that is the right bank where it is predominantly Merlot with a little bit of cab sab.
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00:08:11.488Blend it in there with it to balance it out.
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00:08:13.603Well if if uh I I will say this.
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00:08:18.512Um I'm I'm great with general trivia and about very specified things.
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00:08:23.932So I did win a television game trivia game show back in the day, but there was no wine.
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00:08:29.079Well, and also you you like your your original selection was correct.
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00:08:31.583It just wasn't complete.
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00:08:33.364So exactly, exactly.
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00:08:34.705I made it a little hard this time.
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00:08:38.278All right, so now it's time, folks, let's get to our movie.
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00:08:46.385The movie today is of course Sideways from 2004, directed by Alexander Payne and based on a novel written by Rex Pickett.
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00:08:50.638this is going to be we're gonna start with the Elevage section of our episode.
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00:08:56.529Elevage being when a wine is aging in a container like stainless steel, concrete, or oak.
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00:09:03.613So this is part of the making of the film, kind of like as it's percolating before the release, so how it was made.
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00:09:11.655Sideways was optioned to be developed as a movie before the novel Sideways had even been published.
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00:09:19.023It does happen, it does happen, but It's because no one wanted to publish it.
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00:09:19.361All right.
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00:09:31.586So often movie studios, especially big studios, will get an advanced copy of a novel, especially when a publisher is already on board and they're like, Yes, Simon and Schuster are going to publish this novel in October of this year.
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00:09:34.486Do you want first dibs, especially if it's a big name author?
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00:09:37.028So it's they're next to Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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00:09:44.250And so you know, studios will get on board and start developing the movie right away so they can claim the rights before the novel actually even lands.
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00:09:48.777But in this case They found zero interest in the novel.
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00:10:03.028So when novelist Rex Pickett came home to his rent-controlled Santa Monica apartment to find a flashing message from director Alexander Payne on his answering machine, he had just had his credit card declined for a $6 charge at Baja Fresh.
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00:10:13.429Rex's publishing agent had become a film TV agent at William Morris, now William Morris Endeavor, but the novel was rejected soundly by every publisher, in many cases, scathingly so.
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00:10:16.273And they were having equal bad luck with the film rights.
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00:10:21.690Six months into the process, Rex's agent had a nervous breakdown and left the business entirely.
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00:10:27.422So when Rex saw that flashing light on his message machine, he assumed it was creditors.
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00:10:31.104To his eternal surprise, it was his new agent.
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00:10:38.566Excitedly telling him that Alexander Payne, hot off of 1999's election, go check out our episode where we covered that movie, by the way.
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00:10:39.686That will be in our archives.
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00:10:43.597So go check out Election 1999 in the Ventertainment Archives.
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00:10:45.597Had read the script and loved it.
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00:10:49.158And the second message was Payne himself talking about it.
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00:10:54.620His assistant, Brian Beery, read it and gave it a ringing endorsement, which is the only reason Payne read it.
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00:11:00.019Don't forget, assistants are the secret to how anything happens in Hollywood.
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00:11:02.707Piss off the assistant and things will die.
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00:11:03.677Exactly.
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00:11:05.289Don't don't treat the assistants poorly.
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00:11:06.080It's a bad idea.
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00:11:13.926Now, two months later, the film was greenlit with a $10 million budget by Artisan Entertainment and was announced in the trades.
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00:11:21.250And Rex's agent still couldn't get the novel published after that news broke.
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00:11:31.628A few months later, Payne called Rex ostensibly to get a recommendation on the wine, and then mentioned that, by the way, he was gonna do this other film with Jack Nicholson first.
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00:11:37.042That film, of course, became about Schmidt, and Sideways was put on hold for three years.
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00:11:41.205And Rex feared he wouldn't that Payne wouldn't return to it.
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00:11:51.971The deal with Artisan fell through in the intervening years, a blessing in disguise, as that company would soon reveal financial issues that would send it under before Sideways was ever made.
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00:11:59.970And in 2003, Fox Searchlight was able to secure the rights to Sideways from Artisan as Pain did, in fact, return to the project.
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00:12:02.701With Paul Giamatti in tow as the lead.
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00:12:08.547Now note this was before American Splendor had been released, and Rex had no idea who Paul Giamatti was.
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00:12:14.201The world basically had no idea who Paul Giamatti was, but the casting was impeccable.
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00:12:21.046The movie changed the character of Miles from a struggling screenwriter to an English teacher who wanted to write novels, so a struggling novelist.
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00:12:25.188Though otherwise, the film remains largely faithful to the novel.
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00:12:34.041Speaking of the novel, After more than 100 rejection letters, Pickett's new agent at Trident Media Group went back out with his still unpublished novel.
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00:12:38.102And this is the resurgence when Payne is now back and doing sideways.
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00:12:42.965And so it now has a $16 million budget and is going forward again.
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00:12:47.576And Pickett's new agent uh what ended up selling it in a fire sale to St.
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00:12:51.028Martin's Press for $5,000.
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00:12:55.990It was published in June 2004, four months before the film was released.
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00:13:04.000But note, the novel has since spawned three sequels, though Payne has stated he has no interest in making a filmic sequel to the movie.
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00:13:21.788Sideways was made for 16 million and made over 100 million at the domestic box office and has brought in over half a billion dollars across all revenue streams, and led to all the lovely wine industry after effects we discussed in the opening of this episode.
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00:13:23.778That is right.
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00:13:32.741Um, so here guys, this is the part of the show where we break down the film act by act and then give our thoughts and why notions between act break.
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00:13:34.773So there will be spoilers.
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00:13:44.057If you are the three people who haven't seen this film or read a synopsis or seen someone review it, uh, I would go ahead and jump out now.
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00:13:46.240Uh Not that there are spoilers to this movie.
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00:13:48.030Let's let's let's let's be fair about that.
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00:13:51.711Like there there are no twists or big reveals that are that are gonna happen.
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00:13:52.643do it, it's no big reveals.
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00:13:54.293But there are sp there are plot spoilers.
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00:13:55.052There are plot spoilers.
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00:13:58.886If you don't know what they're what they are, then then they will definitely be spoiled for you.
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00:14:02.330But we will start with act one.
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00:14:10.395Miles Raymond picks up his friend Jack Cole at the home of Cole's fiancee to begin a week together in advance of Cole's wedding that Saturday.
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00:14:17.942Miles, a school teacher and unpublished author, starts the trip at his mother's house, ostensibly to wish her a happy birthday.
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00:14:23.500But Miles steals money from her hidden supposedly secret stash before they leave.
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00:14:28.783Miles wants to spend the week relaxing, playing golf and enjoying food and wine.
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00:14:39.457However, Jack is interested in trying to cure Miles' depression over his professional failures and divorce by, you guessed it, getting him laid.
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00:14:43.080Because getting laid cures everything.
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00:14:52.392Jack is ambivalent over his pending marriage and the prospect of giving up his acting ambitions in favor of a job with his fiance's father.
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00:14:56.724In the Santa Inez Valley, Miles and Oen Onophile.
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00:14:58.787W a wine nerd, a wine geek, a wine nerd.
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00:15:02.261Yes, no, that's that's just me um needing to wet my throat.
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00:15:03.854No, no, I'm sure the audience.
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00:15:07.628every once in a while I there could be film people listening to this that aren't wine people.
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00:15:09.840And like Wienophile, it's like something like Cinephile.
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00:15:11.181Everyone knows what a Cinephile is.
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00:15:13.750To be honest, not many people know what a Wienophile is.
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00:15:13.971true.
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00:15:20.413Oenophile or Oenophile is a really good old friend of I became an arenaphile, I had no fucking idea that that word existed.
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00:15:28.496So you know yeah, it's it's one of my old uh hobbies was looking up the old file um dictionary roots.
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00:15:32.288There's some crazy ones out there, and we might do a couple of films inspired by them.
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00:15:38.142Anyway, in the Santa Inez Valley, Miles, Anwinophile, teaches Jack how to taste wine.
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00:15:41.743The pair dine at the hitching post, which is still there, by the way.
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00:15:47.809Jack infers that Maya, a waitress with whom Miles is casually acquainted, is interested in him.
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00:15:56.136Jack tells Maya that Miles' manuscript has been accepted for publication, although it is only being considered.
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00:16:02.702The next morning, Jack announces his intention for the both of them to get laid during the trip.
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00:16:13.309That night, he arranges a double date for himself and Miles with a wine pourer named Stephanie, who is also acquainted with Maya.
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00:16:14.432All right, Dave.
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00:16:16.885Act one what are we thinking?
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00:16:21.432So first off, Dallas, uh how many times had you seen Sideways before?
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00:16:22.615Or had you seen Sideways?
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00:16:23.706about to tell you ask you that.
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00:16:25.457I saw this film.
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00:16:26.827Hmm.
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00:16:37.095I saw this film the first time probably I want to say six months after it came out with no context.
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00:16:44.666and there was something else that came out out of around the same time with Nicolas Cage.
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00:16:51.445Uh it was a Nicolas Cage film and I saw them both on the same day and I can't remember what the fucking film is now, the Nick Cage film.
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00:17:01.881um But I remember this film being wonderfully um forgettable um interesting at the time.
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00:17:07.698I do recall enjoying the buddy road trip aspect.
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00:17:14.500To be fair, this is two years after you fell in love with X versus Sever in the theater, so uh X versus Sever.
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00:17:18.778Our brains were not i in the zone for this movie.
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00:17:19.779You know what I'm saying?
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00:17:21.301We thought it was a great movie.
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00:17:24.734And by the way, guys, we're gonna revisit X vs Sever in just a couple of weeks.
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00:17:33.424For the first time since we saw it in the theater in two thousand two, 'cause we both realized we have memories of it being amazing, and it has a zero percent unrotten tomatoes.
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00:17:35.832So we are probably wrong, but we're gonna find out.
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00:17:44.385Sidebar, I walked out of X versus I keep saying server, but X versus Sever thinking this is phenomenal and no one else in the lobby.
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00:17:49.993So any Uh I never talked to anyone about it, but I was just like, yeah.
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00:17:55.231You know, I'm I was, you know, young, young twenty young adult guy um at the time.
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00:17:59.798And so yeah, I can see why Sideways was forgettable only two years later.
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00:18:06.362Yeah, it was it was the I always enjoy the buddy road trip concept.
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00:18:08.522Always, always, even when they fail.
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00:18:17.258I j I do enjoy because it's kind of a you get to learn more about characters when they are essentially like bookends for one another.
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00:18:23.000Um so you I I enjoy that trope whenever I see it.
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00:18:25.531Again, even if it's done poorly.
00:18:25.531 -->
00:18:27.353Um so I do remember that.
00:18:27.353 -->
00:18:31.682And I also remember thinking this has potential.
00:18:31.682 -->
00:18:33.996I've no idea what I meant at the time.
00:18:33.996 -->
00:18:36.179But I was like, okay, there's something here.
00:18:36.179 -->
00:18:38.212I'm not sure if I'm the right audience for this.
00:18:38.212 -->
00:18:39.595well definitely wasn't at time.
00:18:39.595 -->
00:18:41.007So so yeah, how about you?
00:18:41.007 -->
00:18:42.117What's your history with?
00:18:42.125 -->
00:18:44.537Yeah, I mean, I don't remember when I first saw it.
00:18:44.537 -->
00:18:45.586It was not in the theater.
00:18:45.586 -->
00:18:46.548I do know that.
00:18:46.548 -->
00:18:53.950Um, I probably saw it shortly after it came out, probably rented it, probably I mean, there was a lot of hullabaloo around it.
00:18:53.950 -->
00:18:55.329One N Academy Award.
00:18:55.329 -->
00:18:56.790It got nominated for quite a few.
00:18:56.790 -->
00:19:00.261Um, so I saw it and I remember kind of like Bottleshock.
00:19:00.261 -->
00:19:06.123I remember enjoying it quite a bit, but then I remembered enjoying Bottleshock quite a bit, and that did not hold up to a rewatch.
00:19:06.123 -->
00:19:09.461Whereas this one Absolutely does.
00:19:09.461 -->
00:19:14.173You know, I can see Bottleshock, to be fair, was not nominated for any Academy Awards.
00:19:14.173 -->
00:19:18.374And, you know, for once the Academy was onto something there in how they treated these two movies.
00:19:18.374 -->
00:19:21.210Because I'm like, yeah, this one is much better made.
00:19:21.210 -->
00:19:27.228The character arcs, the the characterization, the dialogue, how they treat everything.
00:19:27.228 -->
00:19:30.098Like it works on so many different levels.
00:19:30.098 -->
00:19:35.280I'm I've revealed on this podcast before that I'm not someone who re-watches films very often.
00:19:35.280 -->
00:19:37.365So I do not know if.
00:19:37.365 -->
00:19:40.137I rewatched this film at any given time.
00:19:40.137 -->
00:19:43.151I probably have seen it at least twice.
00:19:43.151 -->
00:19:46.053Um, but do not I do not know for sure.
00:19:46.053 -->
00:19:48.634I could have only technically seen this movie once.
00:19:48.634 -->
00:19:52.618What I do know is I have not watched this movie since becoming a wine nerd.
00:19:52.618 -->
00:19:53.398Got it.
00:19:53.398 -->
00:20:04.468So ever since falling into wine, which might have been roughly 10-ish years ago or so, um, somewhere between eight to ten years ago.
00:20:06.539 -->
00:20:07.810I didn't go back to Bottle Shock.
00:20:07.810 -->
00:20:08.931I didn't go back to this.
00:20:08.931 -->
00:20:12.569I've kind of stayed away from wine media.
00:20:12.569 -->
00:20:16.325I don't think it that's super conscious.
00:20:16.325 -->
00:20:18.306because again, I don't rewatch things generally.
00:20:18.306 -->
00:20:20.217Like it's just not something I really do.
00:20:20.217 -->
00:20:26.980Um, but I think I have like Drops of God was something new that came out, and I have been watching that TV show because it's a new thing.
00:20:26.980 -->
00:20:33.193Um, but even then, there there have been like one or two in like there was some movie that came out on Netflix, it was a my movie.
00:20:33.193 -->
00:20:34.164I'm not gonna remember the name of it.
00:20:34.164 -->
00:20:36.673I do want to see it, but I haven't been jumping.
00:20:36.673 -->
00:20:37.173To see it.
00:20:37.173 -->
00:20:42.026There is something interesting where you're almost like, I don't want to judge it harshly.
00:20:42.026 -->
00:20:43.025And I feel like I will.
00:20:43.025 -->
00:20:43.525Yeah, you will.
00:20:43.525 -->
00:20:44.267You know what I mean?
00:20:44.267 -->
00:20:47.077Yeah.
00:20:47.078 -->
00:20:55.662And but sideways was something that I do think like Bottleshock, I knew was gonna be a 50 50 chance of whether that was gonna hold up.
00:20:55.662 -->
00:21:03.991Because I remember it being kind of cheesy and kind of like, you know, overly broad in a lot of its characterization and humor.
00:21:03.991 -->
00:21:10.010Whereas sideways, it's Alexander Payne, and I I when I saw the holdovers not too long ago, I was like, Yeah, I was like that.
00:21:10.010 -->
00:21:12.122He when he's on, he's on.
00:21:12.122 -->
00:21:13.746You know, it's very good.
00:21:13.746 -->
00:21:16.559And when he pairs with Paul Giamatti, he is on.
00:21:16.559 -->
00:21:18.633Um at least in my estimation.
00:21:18.633 -->
00:21:20.864So I had a feeling I would like this again.
00:21:20.864 -->
00:21:33.586I heard a a quote recently, I forget who the actor was, uh, but he said there was a film starring Paul Giamatti and um Paul Phil Philip Seymour Hoffman.
00:21:33.627 -->
00:21:37.761And he's at the moment he saw the trailer, he thought, no, can't get a ticket to that.
00:21:37.761 -->
00:21:47.784That is going to be the saddest film on the face of the planet because Giamatti does carry You get for that type of character and now they're together, right?
00:21:47.784 -->
00:21:52.202Their look does like fifty percent of the work and then they're also very skilled on top of that.
00:21:52.202 -->
00:21:52.789Yeah.
00:21:52.789 -->
00:21:53.609Yes.
00:21:53.609 -->
00:21:57.441You know, act one for me this time around, um, it struck me right away.
00:21:57.441 -->
00:21:58.461Like it had been a while.
00:21:58.461 -->
00:21:59.912I know it's been a while since I've seen this.
00:21:59.912 -->
00:22:03.093So a lot of it was fresh to me, even though I knew the broad strokes.
00:22:03.093 -->
00:22:20.018Um, and one thing that really struck me right away was how much even just the opening took me by surprise with like what a kind of dick and and and kind of uh pathological liar Miles is.
00:22:20.018 -->
00:22:21.880You know, where it's like right away.
00:22:21.880 -->
00:22:25.450They're both lying to their and him and Thomas Hayden Church as Jack.
00:22:25.450 -->
00:22:30.265You know, they both lie to their loved ones, like almost uh as a par for the course.
00:22:30.265 -->
00:22:33.096They do it in very different ways and in very distinct ways.
00:22:33.096 -->
00:22:35.076And what they lie about are very distinct.
00:22:35.076 -->
00:22:43.342But like Miles, right from the get-go, um, he parks like an asshole on the street, which is why, you know, his landlord is banging on his door first thing in the morning.
00:22:43.342 -->
00:22:46.824He wakes up and he's like, God, you know, I I told you this was happening today.
00:22:46.824 -->
00:22:47.626You gotta move your car.
00:22:47.626 -->
00:22:48.569And he's like, fine.
00:22:48.569 -->
00:22:50.827And then we see this great thing where he goes out.
00:22:50.827 -->
00:22:54.778And he you know, he's parked right at this corner where he's kind of hanging out into the driveway, right?
00:22:54.778 -->
00:22:55.880And that's why he's got to move.
00:22:55.880 -->
00:22:56.180Yeah.
00:22:56.180 -->
00:22:59.051And so he gets in the car, and this is kind of subtle.
00:22:59.051 -->
00:23:00.481I love that the movie does this.
00:23:00.481 -->
00:23:13.438He gets in the car and he drives past this perfectly open spot that would be not in the way of anything, goes around just around the corner and once again parks hanging out with his butt hanging out into a driveway.
00:23:13.438 -->
00:23:18.175And I'm like, and it's only because it's easier to park that way, and he just didn't want to reverse.
00:23:18.175 -->
00:23:19.906And like do the whole like you know, going back.
00:23:19.906 -->
00:23:22.827Not it wouldn't even have reversed between two cars.
00:23:22.827 -->
00:23:24.739It would have just been, you know, reversing it back.
00:23:24.739 -->
00:23:26.710It was a huge space, but he was like, Nope.
00:23:26.710 -->
00:23:31.332Going to the next thing where I hang out in front of a drive, like I hang into the driveway.
00:23:31.332 -->
00:23:33.663And I'm like, wow, that was subtly done.
00:23:33.663 -->
00:23:36.104Like, does not draw any attention to it.
00:23:36.104 -->
00:23:38.705You either catch it or you don't, but it says so much about this character.
00:23:38.705 -->
00:23:43.650Then he goes right into the apartment, calls Jack, and is like, I'm so sorry.
00:23:43.650 -->
00:23:50.272You know, and blames this construction the landlord wants to do, which he had totally forgotten about, is why he's late and going to be late.
00:23:50.272 -->
00:23:52.733He's like, but I'm walking out the door right now.
00:23:52.733 -->
00:24:05.419And then we watch him take a shit and read a read a book, take a shower, floss, stops for breakfast somewhere, like in no rush whatsoever.
00:24:05.419 -->
00:24:08.579And then like once he's made his ex his excuse, he's like done.
00:24:08.579 -->
00:24:10.381And then just like la la la la la.
00:24:10.381 -->
00:24:13.057And then he gets to Jack's place and you know, once again, like it.
00:24:13.057 -->
00:24:16.778So, and then of course we see him steal from his mother on top of all of that.
00:24:16.778 -->
00:24:32.583And the opposite is Jack seems to be he's much more of a straight shooter, except he's got infidelity on the mind, which is something that interestingly, Miles seems to be a bit of an incurable romantic, especially about his ex-relation, you know, his ex-wife in his previous relationship.
00:24:32.583 -->
00:24:43.046And it's interesting because that's the thing that blow that blows Jack's mind or Miles' mind, that Jack would do this or even consider this or be so cavalier about it.
00:24:43.251 -->
00:24:55.330And Jack would probably be like weirded out by Miles's like complete antisocial tendencies to just not show up on time and like give a quick fib and then like take more time and show up even later.
00:24:55.330 -->
00:24:55.913So anyway.
00:24:55.913 -->
00:24:58.305It's it's yeah, that is that is an interesting dynamic.
00:24:58.305 -->
00:25:07.077You know, there's there's a quote that uh Jack says or Miles says later in reference to his relationship with Jack as, you know, we were freshman year roommates.
00:25:07.077 -->
00:25:22.306And that kind of encapsulates you we'll we'll get to this later in act three guys, but it really does kind of encapsulate uh their bond and y you we get some clarity on why it is as sort of Polarized as it is, I suppose.
00:25:22.306 -->
00:25:36.250So uh real quick for me, wanna get into some of the wines featured in act one, because this film does do some pretty interesting uh work in giving you some interesting wines, like some interesting labels at the time.
00:25:36.250 -->
00:25:46.732So uh in act one we get uh a nineteen ninety-two sparkling wine from I think it's Byron, uh which Jack pops the cork in the car.
00:25:46.732 -->
00:25:52.270And I believe it is when Jack says this is a white colored Pinot.
00:25:52.270 -->
00:25:55.103Um and they have Blanc de Noir.
00:25:55.103 -->
00:25:56.402yeah, it's a blanc de noir.
00:25:56.402 -->
00:26:02.894and they have that little exchange and of course Miles is quote, doesn't the skin.
00:26:02.894 -->
00:26:03.134Exactly.
00:26:03.134 -->
00:26:05.538It's like it's like, I thought it was a red grape, you know.
00:26:05.538 -->
00:26:05.788Right.
00:26:05.788 -->
00:26:07.328But to be fair, most people don't know this.
00:26:07.328 -->
00:26:11.622I always I taught a a wine class, very, very entry level wine class.
00:26:11.622 -->
00:26:22.049And every time I would get to like the four color categories, which is red, white, rose, and orange, I'd get to white and be like, You can make a white wine out of any color grape because you're not using the skin.
00:26:22.049 -->
00:26:26.272Three quarters of the room would just be like, I never thought of that before.
00:26:26.272 -->
00:26:27.468And it's like, right, yeah.
00:26:27.468 -->
00:26:28.519Yeah, that is one of those things.
00:26:28.519 -->
00:26:35.364And so the quote is I I this is how I knew on this second watch, because I didn't catch this, of course, in the first watch.
00:26:35.364 -->
00:26:37.865It didn't make it, it had no, you know, there was no context for it.
00:26:37.865 -->
00:26:45.821uh But Miles says, um, you know, Blanche Noir exists because the pigment in red grapes comes entirely from the skins, not the juice.
00:26:45.821 -->
00:26:53.428By gently pressing the grapes and immediately removing the dark skins, winemakers can ferment the clear pale juice into a white wine.
00:26:53.589 -->
00:26:58.251And of course, his comp you know his compatriot Jack is response.
00:26:58.251 -->
00:26:58.922Tasty.
00:26:58.922 -->
00:27:00.292Tasty, right?
00:27:00.292 -->
00:27:01.752Just few, just fantastic people.
00:27:01.752 -->
00:27:09.896Um, so we also get in act one when they're in, I believe, their first tasting room, we get a Sanford Vingrie.
00:27:09.896 -->
00:27:15.338Uh, this is the first wine tasted by Jack and Miles once they actually begin their tour.
00:27:15.338 -->
00:27:19.931Um, and this was actually filmed on site in the old Sanford tasting room.
00:27:19.931 -->
00:27:32.490Uh and the ponytailed uh Man in the cowboy hat, um, achieved a fair amount of fame from his feature in uh this film.
00:27:33.152 -->
00:27:39.000and I think that is it for act wines in act one.
00:27:39.000 -->
00:27:39.861Yeah.
00:27:39.993 -->
00:27:40.845were your thoughts?
00:27:40.845 -->
00:27:42.537So Act One, the movie.
00:27:42.537 -->
00:27:46.020Um, I'll go first on this because this is where we give our like wine notions and whatnot.
00:27:46.020 -->
00:28:00.172But you know, the thing that struck me about Act One, like both of these men are completely stuck in their own heads, their own desires, both only thinking of the other in terms of wanting to give their desires to the other.
00:28:00.172 -->
00:28:03.583Jack wants to get Miles laid because Jack wants to get laid.
00:28:03.583 -->
00:28:11.266And Miles, of course, wants to share his arenophileness, his wine knowledge, his wine passion, golfing, things that Jack are, you know, you can tell.
00:28:11.266 -->
00:28:12.636Jack's not that into it.
00:28:12.636 -->
00:28:13.767He's like, yeah, okay, fine.
00:28:13.767 -->
00:28:14.198It's fine.
00:28:14.198 -->
00:28:15.387It's like I like drinking.
00:28:15.387 -->
00:28:17.368Um, but he's not that into it.
00:28:17.368 -->
00:28:21.300But they pay little to no attention to what the other actually wants or needs.
00:28:21.300 -->
00:28:25.632They project onto the other, but they don't really listen or observe.
00:28:25.971 -->
00:28:30.364So, you know, Miles, Miles is a Pinot Noir.
00:28:30.380 -->
00:28:31.310He's temperamental.
00:28:31.310 -->
00:28:32.191He's difficult.
00:28:32.191 -->
00:28:33.582He's laired and expressive.
00:28:33.582 -->
00:28:37.934Wincoat, but not a crowd pleaser in his own right.
00:28:38.996 -->
00:28:41.597and that could work well enough with this movie.
00:28:41.597 -->
00:28:42.054Don't get me wrong.
00:28:42.054 -->
00:28:43.578Like, like Miles is the centerpiece.
00:28:43.578 -->
00:28:45.520He is the protagonist of this.
00:28:45.520 -->
00:28:48.063You know, he's the POV that you're really watching this movie from.
00:28:48.063 -->
00:28:51.845Um, we do in the novel, it is from Miles' POV.
00:28:51.845 -->
00:28:53.586It's a first-person novel.
00:28:54.487 -->
00:29:02.315and Payne, Rex, Rex, the novelist, is on On record as saying that like Payne actually stuck to that in filming this.
00:29:02.315 -->
00:29:06.816We never leave Miles' POV in the whole movie.
00:29:06.816 -->
00:29:10.778You know, we never go off with Jack and with Stephanie.
00:29:10.778 -->
00:29:13.979We never go we never see Maya's POV on her own.
00:29:13.979 -->
00:29:22.181It everything in this movie is all we stick, we stay with Miles wherever he goes, we never leave him.
00:29:22.421 -->
00:29:26.321He is in every single scene of this movie.
00:29:27.369 -->
00:29:28.934Yes, that's actually interesting.
00:29:28.934 -->
00:29:34.343I I d you know, it's it's it's great filmmaking, but yeah, I I didn't that did not jump out to me.
00:29:34.343 -->
00:29:34.740Right.
00:29:34.740 -->
00:29:35.811it doesn't jump out.
00:29:35.811 -->
00:29:42.662But it is literally because and apparently that was because Payne when when Rex asked why that was, like Payne was like, 'Cause you wrote it that way.
00:29:44.430 -->
00:29:46.121And so he's like, okay.
00:29:46.121 -->
00:29:49.083but we never actually go off with any of the other characters.
00:29:49.083 -->
00:29:52.084We only see what those characters do while in Miles' presence.
00:29:52.084 -->
00:29:54.516So Miles is 100% the protagonist.
00:29:54.516 -->
00:29:59.157He is a Pinot Noir, but I don't think this movie is a Pinot Noir.
00:30:00.118 -->
00:30:08.202This movie is easier, smoother, more assured of itself, more densely packed while also being very straightforward in what it's doing.
00:30:08.202 -->
00:30:13.205Like it's not, you don't have to dig for the themes, you don't have to dig for the messages.
00:30:13.228 -->
00:30:17.682The characters are very winsome in their dysfunctional ways.
00:30:17.682 -->
00:30:20.193Like it's a very there's a reason it took off.
00:30:20.193 -->
00:30:27.441There's a reason it struck a chord with audiences who weren't into wine necessarily, who weren't super into indie darling movies specifically.
00:30:27.441 -->
00:30:29.442This movie is easy.
00:30:29.442 -->
00:30:32.394It is a crowd pleaser and Pinot Noir is not.
00:30:32.394 -->
00:30:36.028Um, so anyways, your thoughts uh after act one.
00:30:37.801 -->
00:30:45.526you know, this film is weirdly even act one, s savory.
00:30:45.526 -->
00:30:47.928There's nothing sweet about this film to me.
00:30:47.928 -->
00:30:50.769Until until well there I should say there's nothing sweet about it until Act Three.
00:30:50.769 -->
00:30:55.336Um it is And even then, even then, not not hugely.
00:30:55.336 -->
00:30:56.106Not hugely.
00:30:56.106 -->
00:31:02.631Um, it is a very sort of savory film to me.
00:31:02.631 -->
00:31:06.384It doesn't require a whole lot from you.
00:31:06.384 -->
00:31:10.696There are no great giant sort of leaps that it requires.
00:31:10.696 -->
00:31:23.115You are, just as you stated earlier, following this sort of curmudgeon who is slightly judgmental of his friend's lies, but also has his own version that he's willing to tell.
00:31:23.115 -->
00:31:32.111And so there's a sort of Um th there's an i a sharpness, I suppose, to it.
00:31:32.111 -->
00:31:40.526So um I hate with a passion the character.
00:31:40.526 -->
00:31:51.676If I knew him in real life, I wouldn't my god, so the but the bio protagonist, yeah, the least uh I would not want to spend five moments around this guy.
00:31:52.898 -->
00:31:58.523and probably because he's slightly reminiscent of certain character traits that I have.
00:31:58.523 -->
00:32:00.470Uh anyway.
00:32:00.470 -->
00:32:03.330Do you think that Miles, even in this movie, he's like this?
00:32:03.330 -->
00:32:12.104Like, you know, it's his knee-jerk reaction to to retreat to speaking eruditely about some subject or something.
00:32:12.104 -->
00:32:20.906And he'll do that, but then if you just give him five minutes to unclench and relax, he will unclench and relax.
00:32:20.906 -->
00:32:28.442And like and then only go back to that mode here and there, but it is definitely his initial shield and it's very prominent.
00:32:28.442 -->
00:32:32.065And that that it that can be, I mean, that would be an initial turnoff.
00:32:32.065 -->
00:32:36.478I think I would get past it, but yes, I would be turned off by him initially no matter what.
00:32:36.942 -->
00:32:39.722All right, you're describing our relationship now, asshole.
00:32:39.722 -->
00:32:44.785Anyway, also um there's lots of acid in this film.
00:32:44.785 -->
00:32:46.125That's the only word I can come up with, right?
00:32:46.125 -->
00:32:54.798So and I kind of equate that to sort of the lies and kind of the um even in Miles's, you know, what he's holding back.
00:32:54.798 -->
00:33:06.523There's this character trait he has, and it might be attributed to Paul Giamatti's style, because there's always something going on behind his mask, and sometimes it reads as just pure anger.
00:33:06.685 -->
00:33:12.210And vitriol and acid and then sometimes it reads as absolute pain and hurt.
00:33:12.210 -->
00:33:14.570So there's lots of dynamics.
00:33:18.038 -->
00:33:19.338That's what it all blends into.
00:33:19.338 -->
00:33:28.786Like it's anger, it's it's uh it's anger, it's sadness, but then the core of it all is the frustration, which is both anger and sadness.
00:33:28.786 -->
00:33:34.549Um and I think that's what fuels everything in him in this moment that we're watching him in this movie.
00:33:34.549 -->
00:33:40.233It's his arc to get out of a state of pure frustration with himself and his life.
00:33:40.397 -->
00:33:40.738Agree.
00:33:40.738 -->
00:33:45.680And uh so I'm thinking something with a fair amount of uh acidity.
00:33:45.680 -->
00:33:57.875uh you know, there's also this thing that happens in in act one for sure, because we're building this sort of profile of this character and kind of you know, presenting a sort of launch pad, so to speak.
00:33:57.875 -->
00:34:06.087So structure wise, like in terms of like tannins, I suppose.
00:34:06.087 -->
00:34:10.289I'm thinking something that's sort of firm because he is really firm.
00:34:10.289 -->
00:34:16.204in who he is and what he wants to be and what he wants the world to be.
00:34:16.204 -->
00:34:26.864He's still stuck on that ex-wife and he's still stuck on getting published and he's still s you know, so it's he's he's firm on these things.
00:34:26.864 -->
00:34:44.233But it's also There's also a it's it's it's it's weirdly I may we may have to do a a a second viewing of this and come back because I want to watch this film again.
00:34:44.233 -->
00:34:45.797Um I I really do.
00:34:45.797 -->
00:34:50.871Uh because I want to pick apart the performances, but I may just have to do that on my own.
00:34:50.871 -->
00:35:01.766Anyway, um so something way like like to to pick apart the performances in that they're that good or pick apart is in like nitpick them.
00:35:02.231 -->
00:35:23.751I pick a part to see if what else I get from the performances because Giamatti specifically is one of those guys and he's often he's often termed a bit of a a a scene chewer, a scene stealer, you know, he chooses scenery sometimes.
00:35:23.871 -->
00:35:28.405And I generally enjoy that from someone who can do it well.
00:35:28.405 -->
00:35:30.567And he is one who can do it fucking well.
00:35:30.567 -->
00:35:42.079So from a performance perspective, rather than just some overall sort of cinematic sort of perspective, I might take a second look and do a bit of an addendum where I'm ranting after I have a bottle of wine.
00:35:42.079 -->
00:35:49.871But anyway, wine-wise for act one, I'm thinking something with a medium to sort of a high acidity, something that static structure is pretty firm.
00:35:49.871 -->
00:35:56.353Um probably a pure because I think the characters are fairly pure in who they are.
00:35:56.353 -->
00:36:02.038Like there's there's Very little pretense outside of the pretense that they are cultivating for the world.
00:36:03.123 -->
00:36:03.945so yeah.
00:36:03.945 -->
00:36:04.746Yeah.
00:36:04.746 -->
00:36:05.661All right.
00:36:05.661 -->
00:36:06.262right, brilliant.
00:36:06.262 -->
00:36:06.552All right.
00:36:06.552 -->
00:36:06.833All right.
00:36:06.833 -->
00:36:09.777Moving on folks to act two.
00:36:37.047 -->
00:36:49.181During the double date with Stephanie and Maya, Miles gets drunk, excuses himself, and telephones his ex-wife Victoria after learning from Jack that she is remarried and will be bringing her new husband to Jack's wedding.
00:36:49.181 -->
00:36:56.322The couples go then to Stephanie's house, where Stephanie and Jack adjourn to Stephanie's bedroom, leaving Miles and Maya alone.
00:36:56.362 -->
00:37:02.304The two connect through their mutual interest in wine, but Miles panics when Maya makes her interest in him clear.
00:37:02.304 -->
00:37:07.052He retreats to the bathroom, girds himself, then returns and kisses her awkwardly.
00:37:07.052 -->
00:37:11.184The moment had already passed, and Maya says she should get going.
00:37:11.304 -->
00:37:20.490But as they part, Maya still expresses interest in reading a copy of Miles' manuscript, which he hands over to her, all four boxes of printer papers worth.
00:37:20.692 -->
00:37:28.277The next morning, Jack claims to have fallen in love with Stephanie and tells Miles he wants to postpone the wedding and move to the Santa Inez Valley to be closer to her.
00:37:28.277 -->
00:37:34.632Miles expresses that Jack is being an idiot, but is preoccupied with his own burgeoning romance with Maya.
00:37:34.643 -->
00:37:42.175After a day of winery hopping and picnicking with Jack and Stephanie, Miles and Maya return to Maya's apartment and consummate the relationship.
00:37:42.175 -->
00:37:47.498But then the next day, Miles accidentally reveals to Maya that Jack is getting married that Saturday.
00:37:47.498 -->
00:37:54.500Disgusted with the men's d dishonesty, Maya storms off the good vibes between them plainly over.
00:37:54.659 -->
00:37:56.380End of Act Two.
00:37:56.380 -->
00:37:57.360Everything thickens.
00:37:57.360 -->
00:37:59.481Everything thickens about this.
00:37:59.481 -->
00:38:00.641So yes.
00:38:00.641 -->
00:38:03.704The characters, how far each character is willing to go with all of this.
00:38:03.704 -->
00:38:07.465Like it's one thing when Jack was having like a one-night stand, but then he's turning this into a relationship.
00:38:07.465 -->
00:38:11.478Now he's like, I'm gonna turn like postpone the wedding and choose between these two women.
00:38:11.478 -->
00:38:13.289And Miles is like, the fuck?
00:38:14.090 -->
00:38:25.695and then Miles himself is you know so nervous and panicky about, you know, doing anything in a relationship.
00:38:25.695 -->
00:38:29.318Like it when he's having a double date with Maya, he's like.
00:38:29.442 -->
00:38:30.702I gotta go call my ex-wife.
00:38:30.702 -->
00:38:33.164And then he does, which by the way, the call does not go well.
00:38:33.164 -->
00:38:40.391Like, I mean, he's drunk, he's slightly a little too belligerent, which you know, the ex-wife is like, please don't call me when you're drunk, and like just hangs up.
00:38:40.391 -->
00:38:42.672Um, she's very used to him plainly.
00:38:42.672 -->
00:38:44.503Um, and this is where he's stuck.
00:38:44.503 -->
00:38:54.202He's stuck in this, you know, the past and not being able to return to what he once was and what he thought his life was going to be.
00:38:54.242 -->
00:38:59.041So the interesting thing about act two for me, Maya becomes the movie.
00:38:59.041 -->
00:39:00.302To me in many ways.
00:39:00.302 -->
00:39:00.652Agreed.
00:39:00.652 -->
00:39:01.284In Act Two.
00:39:01.284 -->
00:39:01.704Agreed.
00:39:01.704 -->
00:39:06.244She's already on the other side of the journey that Miles is basically currently going through, right?
00:39:06.244 -->
00:39:08.047Because she's been divorced as well.
00:39:08.047 -->
00:39:10.690Um, she's try she he's trying to let go of the past.
00:39:10.690 -->
00:39:15.096He encounters a version of a f a future version of himself, which is Right, exactly.
00:39:15.096 -->
00:39:18.708Like she's now more assured, she's like, that was bad.
00:39:18.708 -->
00:39:22.592I learned lessons from it, and now I have plans for the future.
00:39:22.592 -->
00:39:24.452I'm working towards them.
00:39:24.494 -->
00:39:31.599There's no necessary way this has to go, but I'm I'm I'm happy with where I am and you know where it's all going, kind of a thing.
00:39:32.719 -->
00:39:41.255Stephanie is very much Maya's Jack, you know, the wilder friend, uh the one who Maya's kind of kind of humors, but also is very much not like.
00:39:42.097 -->
00:39:43.498Stephanie and Jack very much are.
00:39:43.498 -->
00:39:48.021It's interesting because they are very much alike, and Miles and Maya are very much alike.
00:39:48.021 -->
00:39:51.262Like this is not these romances are not opposite attracts.
00:39:51.262 -->
00:39:51.802Yeah.
00:39:51.802 -->
00:39:58.224So Miles gives his monologue on Pinot Noir, a poetic yet stumbling and desperate narrative of his own existence.
00:39:58.224 -->
00:40:07.168And then Maya talks about wine on the whole, the larger view, the ability to be deep and romantic in a more contemplative and collected way as compared to Miles.
00:40:07.728 -->
00:40:10.965Fun fact, you know, Payne wanted to cut this monologue.
00:40:10.965 -->
00:40:13.407Of Maya's from the movie desperately.
00:40:13.407 -->
00:40:28.637He didn't want to film it originally, and then he filmed it, and then it took, I think it was um it was another old school director that he really I I'm forgetting which director it was, but he screened it for this other old school director.
00:40:28.637 -->
00:40:34.721And the director, when the movie was over, the director was like, When she gives that speech, that's when your movie begins.
00:40:35.336 -->
00:40:36.170Yeah.
00:40:36.324 -->
00:40:39.135And Payne was like, All right, I guess I don't want to cut it.
00:40:39.135 -->
00:40:41.217But Payne thought it was too sentimental.
00:40:41.217 -->
00:40:45.643Hold on, let me think about this film without that monologue, huh?
00:40:45.643 -->
00:40:46.614Yeah, yeah.
00:40:46.614 -->
00:40:51.295So Payne thought it was too sentimental and that it would quote unquote date his movie.
00:40:51.295 -->
00:40:54.677Um, which doesn't make a lot I don't understand that logic.
00:40:54.677 -->
00:40:56.844I'm like, what does sentimentality have to do with the date?
00:40:56.844 -->
00:40:57.597Right.
00:40:57.597 -->
00:41:03.739like of of the era, maybe because era is like what sentimentality is in any given era is too specific.
00:41:03.739 -->
00:41:13.213and how we, you know, like what we think we're supposed to like, you know, you go back to like movies from the sixties, like sentimentality is a very different, like it's a it's it feels clawing.
00:41:13.213 -->
00:41:19.219From a modern sensibility, you know, so maybe he thought it would be something like that, but I don't think it's sentimental.
00:41:19.219 -->
00:41:29.056It is literally showing her character the same way Miles' monologues show his character, and it gives her a character that she wouldn't really otherwise have without this monologue.
00:41:29.056 -->
00:41:31.307She would be too much of a cipher without it.
00:41:31.307 -->
00:41:39.065she has, I think, 12 or 13 minutes of screen time in the whole movie.
00:41:39.065 -->
00:41:40.416She's not actually in it that much.
00:41:40.416 -->
00:41:45.498Stephanie, the one played by Sandra O, has eight minutes of screen time in the whole movie.
00:41:45.498 -->
00:41:48.434cause again, we see this whole thing through Miles' perspective.
00:41:48.434 -->
00:41:52.407We don't actually spend that much time with any of the other characters.
00:41:52.407 -->
00:41:53.599It's all him.
00:41:53.599 -->
00:41:55.449So I think it's so necessary.
00:41:55.449 -->
00:41:56.130But yeah, go ahead.
00:41:56.130 -->
00:41:57.420I'm I'm turning this over to you.
00:41:57.420 -->
00:42:11.317You know, I think I see what that director means because her vantage point of wine is definitely top down, as opposed to Miles, whose approach to wine is from the glass out.
00:42:11.317 -->
00:42:12.987At least that's how it sort of comes off.
00:42:12.987 -->
00:42:23.751So I suppose that is a slightly more romantic approach to the concept of wine for the average viewer.
00:42:23.829 -->
00:42:29.213rather than inside baseball language that the inside baseball language that Miles is using.
00:42:29.213 -->
00:42:30.715So I could kind of see that.
00:42:30.715 -->
00:42:38.721You know, the like we said, they're sort of uh she is slightly more advanced on that sort of trajectory than he is.
00:42:38.721 -->
00:42:55.284So what we are seeing, I think, is him moving towards that, of course, by the end, that's kind of where he gets where that romanticism um sort of it it happens for him in a way that isn't He can't save himself the way Maya seems to have been able to save herself.
00:42:55.284 -->
00:42:55.534Right.
00:42:55.534 -->
00:43:10.061She's gotten out of, she's let go of the past without a specific romant new romantic partner or publishing a novel or whatever major accomplishment is going, she's going to school right now, but she hasn't achieved the thing yet.
00:43:10.061 -->
00:43:10.753Right.
00:43:10.753 -->
00:43:14.264And so she doesn't need the achievement to get away from it, but he kind of does.
00:43:14.264 -->
00:43:20.349He is stuck and needs someone to like throw him the fucking life preserver.
00:43:20.349 -->
00:43:22.711you know, ring to like get him out of the water.
00:43:22.711 -->
00:43:31.297And it actually feels like yes, I agree with everything you're saying, but it actually feels like the romanticism she needed and found was the romanticism of why.
00:43:31.659 -->
00:43:32.159Right?
00:43:32.159 -->
00:43:33.101In Sure.
00:43:33.101 -->
00:43:38.786In in that so I think that when she has that sort of Say that right, but I will say because he's got that too.
00:43:38.786 -->
00:43:45.148And so the thing about wine is loving, I think and I think this is true for any inanimate object.
00:43:45.389 -->
00:43:49.860A love of you love film, you love wine, you love whatever it is.
00:43:49.860 -->
00:43:53.251Yeah, that really comes back to self-love.
00:43:53.251 -->
00:43:54.771That's what it is.
00:43:54.971 -->
00:44:01.492And if you don't have self-love, loving these things does not help you in any way, shape, or form.
00:44:01.492 -->
00:44:05.313It's you're you're using it like a comforting blanket.
00:44:05.313 -->
00:44:09.094But it's like uh it's kind of like how you would say getting laid fixes everything.
00:44:09.094 -->
00:44:10.106And it's like momentarily.
00:44:10.106 -->
00:44:11.295Yes.
00:44:11.295 -->
00:44:13.896But then the sadness creeps back in once it's over.
00:44:13.896 -->
00:44:14.567It's like a drug.
00:44:14.567 -->
00:44:19.438It's like taking a Tylenol, and it's like it helps a little bit, but it doesn't heal the thing.
00:44:19.438 -->
00:44:20.998The healing is something else.
00:44:20.998 -->
00:44:23.539This is just like moderating the symptoms.
00:44:23.539 -->
00:44:30.521So loving some an inanimate object or a thing is an alleviation in very momentary.
00:44:30.824 -->
00:44:31.536measures.
00:44:31.536 -->
00:44:35.467It's it it is like it it helps in the moment, but it does not heal.
00:44:35.467 -->
00:44:36.742It does not move you forward.
00:44:36.742 -->
00:44:38.806That is where all the self love has to come in.
00:44:38.806 -->
00:44:39.146Agreed.
00:44:39.146 -->
00:44:41.349It does not replace self love.
00:44:41.349 -->
00:44:44.074It does not it is not a substitute for it.
00:44:44.074 -->
00:44:51.153But sort of if you use it like the you know, sort of like a life like a like a a a life vest, right?
00:44:51.153 -->
00:44:55.269It gives you a momentary it gives you a momentary reprieve.
00:44:55.269 -->
00:44:56.327And kind of, kind of.
00:44:56.327 -->
00:44:59.400I actually think it's what you sheave your self love in.
00:45:02.050 -->
00:45:08.375So, my what I'm trying to say here is that the self-love, it's it's an empty blanket.
00:45:08.375 -->
00:45:10.295There's nothing underneath it.
00:45:10.356 -->
00:45:12.338It's or you're underneath it.
00:45:12.338 -->
00:45:12.639Right.
00:45:12.639 -->
00:45:13.199Right.
00:45:13.199 -->
00:45:19.690And so, like loving wine, loving films, like I watch films because you know it makes me feel better in this moment of of despair.
00:45:19.690 -->
00:45:22.706And it's like, yes, it will, but you're still under the blanket.
00:45:22.706 -->
00:45:24.708There's nothing fucking else there.
00:45:24.708 -->
00:45:31.978So at the end of the day, loving film will not help you go forward or find that stability.
00:45:31.978 -->
00:45:35.889It can help in a sense of something to hold on to, but then it is.
00:45:35.889 -->
00:45:39.498It's the self-love is what is underneath, what is sheathed within.
00:45:39.498 -->
00:45:51.768And Maya has the love of wine, but she is like she's found that way to be like, I am not horrible or a problem or exactly.
00:45:51.768 -->
00:45:52.780Or even by wine.
00:45:52.780 -->
00:46:00.844Like wine is something that's wonderful and like it's comforting and I love being a part of it, but that doesn't make me love myself or my life.
00:46:00.940 -->
00:46:04.713Like that has to come from that's why Miles is is is flailing.
00:46:04.713 -->
00:46:12.181He loves wine, he loves talking about it, he loves sipping it, he loves rolling in it and like, you know, and all the facts of it and all the yeah.
00:46:12.181 -->
00:46:15.045But then he just gets drunk.
00:46:16.166 -->
00:46:19.980And because he's drown he's trying to drown out the pain that is going nowhere.
00:46:20.190 -->
00:46:27.273And I think that's the difference when I'm talking about the sort of romanticism, because she is definitely more it's a lyricism.
00:46:27.273 -->
00:46:30.244I guess the other it's it's a lyricism that she has.
00:46:30.244 -->
00:46:42.179Yeah, that she has with the connection of wine, which allows her to kind of stop and not just, you know, d didouse her pain uh in in wine because she's moved past it, put it in the proper place.
00:46:42.179 -->
00:46:53.389And like you said, he starts with that idea of romanticism, but it quickly devolves into this you know, the substitution, I suppose, poor substitution for anything else.
00:46:53.389 -->
00:46:55.047Um so real quick, one question for you.
00:46:55.047 -->
00:46:57.052You say Miles is a Pinot.
00:46:57.132 -->
00:46:58.815What is Maya in that case?
00:46:58.815 -->
00:46:59.036Right.
00:46:59.036 -->
00:47:05.003Mm Maya is something else, and she is the she is the key to the wine that I'm going to pair.
00:47:05.003 -->
00:47:05.396Great.
00:47:05.396 -->
00:47:05.838All right.
00:47:05.838 -->
00:47:06.481Fantastic.
00:47:06.481 -->
00:47:06.682Good.
00:47:06.682 -->
00:47:07.135Good news.
00:47:07.135 -->
00:47:08.568so real quick.
00:47:08.753 -->
00:47:09.054no, go ahead.
00:47:09.054 -->
00:47:09.335Go ahead.
00:47:09.335 -->
00:47:10.108Go ahead.
00:47:10.384 -->
00:47:17.121no, no, I was just gonna say so uh we'll we'll get there, but it definitely is like I said, she becomes the movie at this point.
00:47:17.121 -->
00:47:21.217She does and explains Miles and what we're doing with Miles and where we're going with Miles.
00:47:21.217 -->
00:47:26.753There are gonna be a few twists and turns still left for Act Three, but this is essentially where we're going.
00:47:26.753 -->
00:47:31.657All right, so real quick, some of the wines featured in Act Two, which you can probably still find a few.
00:47:31.657 -->
00:47:35.842Um, we have uh the Fox and Vineyards.
00:47:35.842 -->
00:47:40.588Um, a couple of bottles mated on there on the film.
00:47:40.588 -->
00:47:45.121The tasting room, I think, is currently closed, of course, but Fox and Vineyards is apparently still around.
00:47:45.121 -->
00:47:47.784There's the Kalaira, Chardonnay, and Cap Franc.
00:47:47.784 -->
00:47:52.768This is the tasting room where Jack and Miles first meet the flirtatious Stephanie, of course.
00:47:52.768 -->
00:47:56.789And Fiddlehead Cellars, Sauve Blanc, Honeysuckle.
00:47:56.789 -->
00:48:04.077This is the wine that sparked Miles' interest in Maya, and where he says that famous Merlot line, which I love and need to have on a t-shirt.
00:48:04.077 -->
00:48:13.742ah And Fiddlehead, we actually feature one of their wines in an episode two or three weeks ago.
00:48:15.403 -->
00:48:18.244it was it was one cut of the dead.
00:48:18.244 -->
00:48:18.784Yes.
00:48:18.784 -->
00:48:20.105It was one well yes.
00:48:20.105 -->
00:48:24.106It was one cut of the dead.
00:48:24.106 -->
00:48:26.226yeah we'll put it in the notes if it's wrong.
00:48:27.286 -->
00:48:31.847and uh also the Witchcraft 2001 Pinot Noir.
00:48:31.847 -->
00:48:34.148This is what served at the double date.
00:48:34.148 -->
00:48:38.461And um finally there is the Sea Smoke Botella Pinot Noir.
00:48:38.461 -->
00:48:54.418Uh and the winemaker Chris Coran was essentially the runner-up to San Francisco Chronicles winemaker of the year that year for this Pinot, which you can actually uh still find for about $70.
00:48:54.418 -->
00:48:55.929All right, Dave.
00:48:55.929 -->
00:49:00.724Let's move on to All right, bringing it home with a breakout.
00:49:00.724 -->
00:49:02.778Act number three, that's right.
00:49:25.250 -->
00:49:29.771So Jack and Miles go to a winery that Miles finds subpar.
00:49:29.771 -->
00:49:45.596After hearing from his literary agent that his manuscript has been rejected with no prospects remaining for it to be published, Miles upturns and drinks directly from an overflowing spit bucket, creating a scene at a tasting.
00:49:45.896 -->
00:49:49.186Jack intervenes and drives Miles back to the motel.
00:49:49.186 -->
00:49:53.269Upon arrival, Stephanie, who has heard, who heard from Maya.
00:49:53.269 -->
00:50:01.277about Jack's marital status, furiously beats Jack with her motorcycle helmet, breaking his nose while berating him for his dishonesty.
00:50:01.277 -->
00:50:12.349Miles takes Jack to the ER and leaves Maya an apologetic voice message, admitting that his book will not be published like Jack had told him.
00:50:12.945 -->
00:50:13.505told him.
00:50:13.505 -->
00:50:18.637That night, despite Miles's protest, Jack goes home with a waitress named Cammy.
00:50:18.637 -->
00:50:23.668Jack returns to the motel naked after Cammie's husband catches the two of them having sex.
00:50:23.668 -->
00:50:32.550Jack begs Miles to help him retrieve his wallet from Cammy's place, which contains custom wedding rings for his nuptials on Saturday.
00:50:32.550 -->
00:50:37.563Miles sneaks into the house where he finds Cammie and her husband having makeup sex.
00:50:37.563 -->
00:50:42.507The couple plainly turned on by Cammy's probably regular infidelity.
00:50:42.507 -->
00:50:49.501He grabs a wallet and runs, barely escaping Cammy's full, frontally nude and furious husband.
00:50:49.501 -->
00:51:01.688On the drive back to San Diego, Jack intentionally drives Miles' car into a tree to support his alibi that he broke his nose and face in a car accident.
00:51:01.688 -->
00:51:10.503The pair then return to Jack's fiancé, Christine's home, where Jack is warmly received by her family.
00:51:10.503 -->
00:51:17.157But Miles doesn't leave until everyone in the house has seen the front of the car to further support the alibi.
00:51:17.157 -->
00:51:22.548Now, following the wedding ceremony, Miles runs into Victoria and meets her new husband, Ken.
00:51:22.548 -->
00:51:24.909Victoria says she is pregnant.
00:51:24.909 -->
00:51:32.931And some of the greatest subtle face acting in the history of film in that one moment.
00:51:32.972 -->
00:51:39.784Anyway, for once Miles controls himself, congratulates them both, and he's even plainly affected.
00:51:39.822 -->
00:51:45.023Uh, Miles takes his leave before the reception and drives back to his San Diego apartment.
00:51:45.023 -->
00:51:52.748Alone, he drinks his prized wine, one mentioned early on when he and Maya were getting to know one another.
00:51:52.748 -->
00:52:02.231A 1961 Chateau Cheval Blanc, which he'd been saving for a reunion with Victoria.
00:52:02.331 -->
00:52:08.753He drinks it from a disposable styrofoam soda, fast food restaurant.
00:52:09.867 -->
00:52:15.791He eventually returns to his day job as a teacher, sitting, watching aimlessly through the window.
00:52:15.791 -->
00:52:28.630And one day, a voicemail from Maya appears on his answering machine, saying she loved his manuscript, encouraging him to keep writing, even though this one isn't going to be published.
00:52:28.670 -->
00:52:32.432And she invites him to visit someday.
00:52:32.554 -->
00:52:39.213Miles immediately drives back to Wine Country and knocks on Maya's door.
00:52:39.213 -->
00:52:41.219All right, Dave, talk to us.
00:52:41.219 -->
00:52:42.228Act three.
00:52:42.228 -->
00:52:50.021So another fun fact, uh Payne didn't want he wanted Miles to get the message on the answering machine and end it there.
00:52:50.282 -->
00:52:52.492And not have him drive Okay.
00:52:52.492 -->
00:52:57.284So he was again he thought it was too sentimental to go any further than that.
00:52:58.715 -->
00:52:59.445huh.
00:52:59.791 -->
00:53:00.552Okay.
00:53:00.552 -->
00:53:01.273All right.
00:53:01.273 -->
00:53:05.980I would have preferred the the the ending there, for sure.
00:53:05.980 -->
00:53:06.782But I get it.
00:53:06.782 -->
00:53:10.056I get why he wanted a little romantic sort of capstone.
00:53:10.418 -->
00:53:10.918he didn't.
00:53:10.918 -->
00:53:14.599I mean, pretty much everyone else.
00:53:14.721 -->
00:53:24.565I think in the novel, it like it's more faithful to the novel to there might even in the novel, there might even have been like a full scene with Miles and Maya, like when he goes up there.
00:53:24.565 -->
00:53:27.577But knocking on the door was kind of like the meeting them halfway.
00:53:27.577 -->
00:53:30.472Where he's like, he'll knock on the door, but then we don't see anything else.
00:53:30.472 -->
00:53:31.130Right.
00:53:31.130 -->
00:53:31.960You know, kind of a thing.
00:53:31.960 -->
00:53:38.744There had to be that moment of like the potential is there, but we don't know one way or the other.
00:53:38.744 -->
00:53:40.534But to be fair, that's true in anything.
00:53:40.534 -->
00:53:43.507Like even the happily ever after, it's never ever after.
00:53:43.507 -->
00:53:44.047Right.
00:53:44.047 -->
00:53:47.608Because never ever after, because it's just like there will be an after.
00:53:47.608 -->
00:53:51.221And there's a lot of shit that could go down in in all that after.
00:53:51.221 -->
00:53:55.463So there's always it's always just a possibility.
00:53:55.463 -->
00:53:58.054I really like the knock on the door and then that ends.
00:53:58.054 -->
00:53:58.414Okay.
00:53:58.414 -->
00:54:09.000Because it shows, I think it shows that Miles, he is such, as a character, you're never sure when he's just gonna get wishy washy wimpy again.
00:54:09.878 -->
00:54:16.340You know, so getting the answering machine, you're sort of like, is he just gonna is he not gonna do anything with that?
00:54:16.340 -->
00:54:17.460Like, what is he gonna do?
00:54:17.460 -->
00:54:21.302Then the fact that he's like, fuck this, gets in the car and goes.
00:54:21.302 -->
00:54:23.112Yeah, I'm like, good on you, Miles, good on you.
00:54:23.112 -->
00:54:27.353So I think it's the right amount of uplifting without being super schmalty about it.
00:54:27.353 -->
00:54:27.804Okay.
00:54:27.804 -->
00:54:28.297Anyway.
00:54:28.297 -->
00:54:28.983All right.
00:54:28.983 -->
00:54:30.141I'll go ahead and get us started.
00:54:30.141 -->
00:54:37.112This is where we're gonna we're gonna wrap up with our with our ultimate wine pairing and talk a little bit about why and and what act three Did for us here.
00:54:37.112 -->
00:54:45.597So what you know, when we meet Miles' ex-wife in in the flesh at the wedding, she has a similar poison assuredness as Maya does.
00:54:45.597 -->
00:54:46.208Yeah.
00:54:46.208 -->
00:54:56.768And so here, confronting his ex-wife with her new husband and and the coming baby, Miles finally finds a kind of a halfway point to the same kind of self-control.
00:54:56.768 -->
00:54:58.655This is where you say the best face acting, right?
00:54:58.655 -->
00:54:58.925Yeah.
00:54:58.925 -->
00:55:03.467Where it's like he is like you can see is like you have this knee jerk.
00:55:03.467 -->
00:55:11.880The kind of reaction he normally wants to do and what he's infamous for, at least in this part of his in the in this phase of his life where he just can't deal with anything.
00:55:11.880 -->
00:55:18.943And he's like, I'm and he finds he just barely finds how to be more Maya like in that moment.
00:55:18.943 -->
00:55:23.784And his ex-wife, it's funny because she's like, I I know you do this all the time, but she's got that poise.
00:55:23.784 -->
00:55:25.925She's got because she's moved on like Maya.
00:55:25.925 -->
00:55:28.545She's like, I've found a new center.
00:55:28.652 -->
00:55:30.914I don't love dealing with you when you're like this.
00:55:30.914 -->
00:55:40.313Like, I'm not, I'm not gonna like, you know, never talk to you again or treat you poorly, but this is a, you know, you are, generally speaking, a problem and have been for a little while now.
00:55:40.313 -->
00:55:45.878But this is what this movie is to me, is Maya, and and everything we see of his ex-wife here.
00:55:45.878 -->
00:55:47.239It's Merlot.
00:55:47.739 -->
00:55:55.186So it's a grape that seems so easy, easy to drink, easy to grow, but it isn't.
00:55:55.626 -->
00:56:07.409It requires specific climates and practices to truly make a great wine, just like any grape, just like any person, in fact, requires like TLC and personal growth to reach maturity, self-confidence.
00:56:07.409 -->
00:56:10.130Um, but this film is about finding that.
00:56:10.130 -->
00:56:14.570So your purpose, yourself in the current moment, and what your future is meant to be.
00:56:14.570 -->
00:56:18.012It's about finding your center as a person.
00:56:18.012 -->
00:56:21.693And Merlot is the ultimate center of a wine.
00:56:21.693 -->
00:56:25.152It's medium-bodied, medium acidity, medium fruit.
00:56:25.152 -->
00:56:27.353Landing between black and red fruit.
00:56:27.353 -->
00:56:29.235So for a red wine, those are kind of the two extremes.
00:56:29.235 -->
00:56:32.507You get like really acidic red or really low acid sweet black.
00:56:32.507 -->
00:56:37.449Um, it offers intense black cherry flavors, which is that perfect middle point.
00:56:37.449 -->
00:56:41.222Medium tannins, so it's slightly dusty, but it's not too much.
00:56:41.222 -->
00:56:45.375It's not an attack, it's not like just something you're like chewing on for too long.
00:56:45.385 -->
00:56:48.789it retains acidity, but it's not like searing acidity.
00:56:48.789 -->
00:56:55.552And the tannins to counter the otherwise fruit forwardness, and because tannins are going to be a little bitter, so you get more of a bitter sweet than a pure sweet.
00:56:55.574 -->
00:57:05.800Merlot needs that clay-rich soil, as we were talking about when we talked about the the Bordeaux uh banks and whatnot, so the roots can stay cool and it retains moisture.
00:57:05.800 -->
00:57:12.663So Merlot is a very uh early ripening grape, so you need uh the coolness and the moisture so it ripens slow.
00:57:12.663 -->
00:57:13.983It doesn't try to go fast.
00:57:13.983 -->
00:57:17.547Um, in the climate that is neither too hot or cold.
00:57:17.547 -->
00:57:21.300With a little oak, it will adopt kind of extra cedar and spice notes.
00:57:21.300 -->
00:57:26.465Um, but if it if it ripens slowly, it will retain that acidity.
00:57:26.465 -->
00:57:32.030Ripening, it's not about how far it goes ripen ripening-wise or or how ripe it goes per se.
00:57:32.030 -->
00:57:37.164You don't want it to go too ripe one way or the other, but it's about how quickly it gets there.
00:57:37.164 -->
00:57:38.313And this is true for any grape.
00:57:38.313 -->
00:57:42.923If it steadily and slowly ripens, acidity is retained.
00:57:42.923 -->
00:57:45.284The sugars are develop nice and slowly.
00:57:45.284 -->
00:57:48.175So it's like normally you think like the more sugar it has, the less acidity.
00:57:48.175 -->
00:57:49.297That's true up to a point.
00:57:49.297 -->
00:57:52.947But if it develops slowly, you'll have yet more acidity to go with that sugar.
00:57:52.947 -->
00:57:53.748So it's more balanced.
00:57:53.748 -->
00:57:54.168Okay.
00:57:54.168 -->
00:57:54.759In the end.
00:57:54.759 -->
00:57:57.670Um, and then with a little oak, you get those extra notes.
00:57:57.670 -->
00:58:02.202It harmonizes gorgeously with the texture and those primary fruit flavors.
00:58:02.242 -->
00:58:05.543Merlot is, of course, the primary grape of the right bank of Bordeaux, St.
00:58:05.543 -->
00:58:07.884Amelia and Pomerole, two of the best regions for it.
00:58:07.884 -->
00:58:12.266And it grows beautifully in parts of Argentina, California, and Washington.
00:58:12.266 -->
00:58:18.088I chose a Cali Merlot in honor of the harm the movie Sideways caused to Cali Merlot market in particular.
00:58:18.088 -->
00:58:20.690So I chose a Corbin Cameron.
00:58:20.690 -->
00:58:22.030That's all with K's.
00:58:22.030 -->
00:58:28.434Corbin Cameron 2021 Merlot from the Moon Mountain District on the far east side of Sonoma County.
00:58:28.434 -->
00:58:32.646Sonoma being the place where Pinot exploded in the popularity following this movie's release.
00:58:32.646 -->
00:58:36.858So a lot of Merlot was ripped up and Pinot was replanted in its place.
00:58:36.929 -->
00:58:46.777But this winery is run by the Ming family of Chinese descent and named after their twin, uh, two twins, a son and a daughter, the son Corbin, and the daughter Cameron.
00:58:46.777 -->
00:58:50.019The wine, and at this point, the son is the winemaker.
00:58:50.019 -->
00:58:56.043And I believe Cameron runs their like wine club and hospitality program and whatnot at the winery.
00:58:56.043 -->
00:58:58.925So they're kind of the two people running the show these days.
00:58:58.929 -->
00:59:02.913And the wine is mid price point around $40 to $50, depending on where you buy it.
00:59:02.913 -->
00:59:07.146I got mine for $42 from our sponsor, Curated Wine Shop.
00:59:07.146 -->
00:59:09.838Find them at curated wines.com, baby.
00:59:09.838 -->
00:59:15.802And this is its deep, rich, velvety, dusty, but not overwhelp, overbearing tannins.
00:59:15.802 -->
00:59:19.864Uh, black cherry, sage, and cedar on the nose and palate.
00:59:19.864 -->
00:59:21.045Truly beautiful.
00:59:21.045 -->
00:59:28.322A contemplative wine, while not being challenging, a wine to sip and then savor for minutes, plural.
00:59:28.322 -->
00:59:33.365To parse all those mini layers, yet it's also just a lovely deep red.
00:59:33.365 -->
00:59:39.961It's easy enough, like this movie, but then has those layers for anyone who chooses to see them, taste them, and savor them.
00:59:39.961 -->
00:59:55.938Uh, fun fact before I turn it back over to N to Dallas, in the novel, at the very end, when Miles is drinking that special wine he's been saving for a reunion with his ex-wife, it was supposed to be an 82 Chateau Latour, a left bank Bordeaux, so Cabernet Sauvignon heavy.
00:59:55.938 -->
01:00:00.119But Chateau Latour wouldn't give the filmmakers the right to use their wine in the film.
01:00:00.119 -->
01:00:18.786So Payne, who generally loves inside jokes and planting things in the frame that have to do with contradictions, especially as the movie is largely about lying to oneself and to others, had Miles Covet Miles' coveted bottle be a right bank Merlot heavy wine, the man who wouldn't drink any fucking Merlot.
01:00:18.786 -->
01:00:24.250It was totally intentional by Payne once he was forced to change the wine from Latour to something else.
01:00:24.250 -->
01:00:25.820All right, Dallas, what do you got?
01:00:25.835 -->
01:00:26.327I like that.
01:00:26.327 -->
01:00:32.094Actually I don't I definitely haven't tasted that at uh It it's relatively new there.
01:00:32.094 -->
01:00:39.099Um, but I was I was there this weekend and they had a bottle open, so I got to taste a little bit and I was like, my goodness, that is perfect.
01:00:39.099 -->
01:00:43.081Um so Corbin Cameron, guys, both with K's.
01:00:43.081 -->
01:00:45.324Corbin Cameron, look that winery up in Snoma.
01:00:45.324 -->
01:00:47.405If you're in California, you can get it easy.
01:00:47.405 -->
01:00:51.507Some of it might be distributed over to the East Side or elsewhere, but look that one up.
01:00:51.507 -->
01:00:54.409And if not, if you're in Europe, guys, right bank Bordeaux.
01:00:54.409 -->
01:00:55.570Go get you some.
01:00:55.581 -->
01:00:56.561All right.
01:00:56.742 -->
01:01:03.023So, um, I took a slightly uh slight deviation in terms of pairing this time.
01:01:03.023 -->
01:01:22.199I actually just paired with um with Miles, because Miles, while Maya becomes the film for sure, I think Miles is uh is also becoming the film for the reasons we stated earlier, in that Maya is sort of uh posited for us as the future of uh Miles.
01:01:22.199 -->
01:01:24.369It's it's sort of the it's a future version of himself.
01:01:24.369 -->
01:01:27.275The the version he's Possibly chasing, I suppose.
01:01:28.456 -->
01:01:44.300and but before that we are introduced to Miles and I imagine his head is just swimming with contradiction and emotion and confusion and it's crazy making.
01:01:44.300 -->
01:01:48.934And I think that's why he is such a perfect we gotta talk about casting.
01:01:48.934 -->
01:01:52.347He is such a perfect get for this film.
01:01:52.347 -->
01:01:54.306And so is Thomas Hayden Church.
01:01:54.306 -->
01:01:57.677You know, uh he's always been a favorite so well.
01:01:57.677 -->
01:02:02.532And it's like it's it's just effortless, you know.
01:02:03.132 -->
01:02:05.793they they're it's it's just per perfect casting.
01:02:05.793 -->
01:02:11.179And I tried to look around to see if I could find some info on the casting process, but I really couldn't.
01:02:11.179 -->
01:02:17.045The only thing I know about it is that um Payne r tried hard to cast this role and found no one.
01:02:17.045 -->
01:02:20.969Like it went on for a while and he almost left the project because he couldn't cast Miles.
01:02:20.969 -->
01:02:24.221Well and if he couldn't cast Miles, he was like, There's no movie.
01:02:24.221 -->
01:02:25.561Like I can't do this.
01:02:25.561 -->
01:02:29.775And I don't know what brought Giamatti onto his radar.
01:02:29.775 -->
01:02:31.706I know American Splendor was coming.
01:02:31.706 -->
01:02:35.659He had Giamatti had filmed it, and that was his breakout role as a leading man.
01:02:35.659 -->
01:02:36.271That's right.
01:02:36.271 -->
01:02:40.554Um that came out just before, and it was a slightly smaller movie than this one.
01:02:40.617 -->
01:02:48.244this was technically the most expensive at at sixteen million, it was the biggest budget movie Fox Searchlight had ever done up to that point.
01:02:48.646 -->
01:02:50.300Which is really four.
01:02:50.300 -->
01:02:50.862four.
01:02:50.862 -->
01:02:51.405Yeah.
01:02:51.405 -->
01:02:51.976Wow, okay.
01:02:51.976 -->
01:02:52.217Yeah.
01:02:52.217 -->
01:02:52.936I see that.
01:02:52.936 -->
01:02:54.286which is interesting as well.
01:02:54.286 -->
01:03:02.010But yeah, Giamatti uh for whatever reason at some point they found each other and then Payne was like, We're ready to go.
01:03:02.010 -->
01:03:05.351And he brought he didn't want to green light the movie until he had Miles.
01:03:05.351 -->
01:03:05.641Okay.
01:03:05.641 -->
01:03:10.534So then he brought Miles, the script and everything to Searchlight, and away they went.
01:03:11.081 -->
01:03:11.681Yeah.
01:03:11.681 -->
01:03:17.474So um so the character, it just he's I'm sure he feels insane.
01:03:17.474 -->
01:03:19.534And and you see it in in the performance.
01:03:19.534 -->
01:03:24.505Like you can see those moments where he's clearly communicating, I'm on the edge here.
01:03:24.505 -->
01:03:29.407There are times when I'm just on the edge of crashing completely out.
01:03:30.128 -->
01:03:37.010and I so I so I think sort of crazy mind definitely sort of describes this, you know, tormented character.
01:03:38.347 -->
01:03:46.661You know, he even has this hatred for the Merlot grape, which doesn't necessarily make logical sense, but it makes perfect emotional sense.
01:03:46.661 -->
01:03:53.085Um, you know, there's a you know, there's a trauma that he's responded to and it's it's become the kind of avatar.
01:03:53.144 -->
01:04:04.659And um and that moment when he makes that statement, really sort of a cute statement out of nowhere about Merlot is completely supported.
01:04:05.021 -->
01:04:11.344you know, once we get to the end of this film and you're just like, oh, okay, that moment makes so much more sense now.
01:04:11.344 -->
01:04:13.184And it stands out, it's perfect, it's beautiful.
01:04:13.184 -->
01:04:26.648Um, so the wine I chose is known for uh its medium uh to full body sort of palette, I suppose.
01:04:27.367 -->
01:04:44.860it we talked about earlier is sort of the tannins are kind of grippy, and with Miles, he his gripping to um you know, his view of the world, his trauma, whatever, you know, he's established or connected to, even if it's painful, you know, he's gripped to it.
01:04:44.860 -->
01:04:46.751He's hanging the fuck on to it.
01:04:46.751 -->
01:04:52.275Even if it doesn't make sense, he's hanging on to it because he's defined himself by it.
01:04:52.275 -->
01:05:01.322Um, with the writing, you know, with that goal, with the relationship with his his ex, um, with his connection to Merlot.
01:05:01.322 -->
01:05:23.554Um The acidity, I suppose, is the thing I want to talk about next because and it's the reason I'm probably gonna rewatch this film again, is because he there's a w an alter universe, there's some fanfic I write about this film where he's a serial killer in wine country, a secret serial killer on the weekends in the wine.
01:05:23.554 -->
01:05:25.726As long as he and my are doing it together.
01:05:26.007 -->
01:05:26.829Hold on.
01:05:26.829 -->
01:05:27.661Hold on.
01:05:27.661 -->
01:05:29.396No no no keep keep going.
01:05:29.396 -->
01:05:30.454We gotta wrap it up.
01:05:30.454 -->
01:05:31.016Yeah do.
01:05:31.016 -->
01:05:31.730All right anyway.
01:05:31.730 -->
01:05:36.088Yeah, the wheel by the way, if you guys don't know this happens occasionally time to time.
01:05:36.088 -->
01:05:36.418know.
01:05:36.418 -->
01:05:39.403I gotta he doesn't look at the time, so I gotta I gotta push him.
01:05:39.777 -->
01:05:40.117That's true.
01:05:40.117 -->
01:05:41.289We'll start world building.
01:05:41.289 -->
01:05:42.110We'd be here for three hours.
01:05:42.110 -->
01:05:48.465Anyway, um so I went uh I found a Sangiovese.
01:05:48.465 -->
01:05:54.251uh a 100% Sangiovese Super Tuscan.
01:05:54.251 -->
01:05:57.273uh term Super Tuscan.
01:05:57.273 -->
01:06:07.601Uh it is from old vines, 30 to 50 years, um, and it is from the top of the hills, characterized by soils rich in stones.
01:06:07.601 -->
01:06:13.775Um, it is known as a bit of a jewel because of a really bright, brilliant sort of um ruby color.
01:06:13.775 -->
01:06:18.282Uh the it's called the test tomata.
01:06:18.282 -->
01:06:29.637And this is the test tomata, no one's gonna be able to see this, but this is the testomata, and it quite literally means crazy head in Italian.
01:06:30.697 -->
01:06:37.621and that describes you know our our lead character to a fucking T because I do think there's so much more back behind.
01:06:37.880 -->
01:06:38.731the mask.
01:06:38.731 -->
01:06:42.083aroma-wise, you're gonna get these hints of strawberry and orange zest.
01:06:42.083 -->
01:06:46.585By the way, the orange zest and orange blossom is really um what's that liqueur?
01:06:46.585 -->
01:06:47.496Frangelica?
01:06:47.496 -->
01:06:49.237I think it's called frangelica.
01:06:49.438 -->
01:06:53.010but it or yeah, but it's a really sort of deep frangelica, yeah.
01:06:53.010 -->
01:06:55.822really deep, sort of orangey kind of um flavor.
01:06:55.822 -->
01:06:59.826Um it is there's no mud to this.
01:06:59.826 -->
01:07:06.030It is very perfumed, um, it's medium-bodied with intense tannins and fine.
01:07:06.099 -->
01:07:14.070in texture and I think that describes yeah uh you know not only this film but also uh specifically Miles.
01:07:16.811 -->
01:07:21.632Well again, I think I see I I describe that as the sort of acid, like there's something else there.
01:07:21.632 -->
01:07:23.423This guy's just that maybe anyway.
01:07:23.423 -->
01:07:25.632So you see, we're getting into the thing the the world building.
01:07:25.632 -->
01:07:26.304Don't do this, Dave.
01:07:26.304 -->
01:07:28.585You've got to be quiet when I go on one of my tangents.
01:07:28.664 -->
01:07:43.188No The wine it is it is uh also characterized as salty, which I I'm still working on finding that in my own experience with wine.
01:07:43.188 -->
01:07:53.713That's salty characteristic is not something I generally am have the experience with yet.
01:07:53.713 -->
01:07:59.269So that's something maybe you and I will dig into trying to sort of find.
01:07:59.269 -->
01:08:03.786uh Yeah, it's a salinity, but it's it's even I I suppose yeah.
01:08:03.786 -->
01:08:07.668Anyway, that's a that's a Yeah, that I that that is the word it for all saltiness.
01:08:07.668 -->
01:08:16.854It's Of course, it is the salinity, but it is it is it is when it comes to wine in terms of the palate and notes and things, it's the thing I probably have the most at Interesting.
01:08:16.854 -->
01:08:17.847Okay.
01:08:18.069 -->
01:08:20.342Uh anyway, that is my guy.
01:08:20.342 -->
01:08:21.423I think it's fantastic.
01:08:21.423 -->
01:08:26.878You can pick this up in a number of places, but for a limited time, you can also get it.
01:08:26.878 -->
01:08:31.423This is a 2021, by the way, at your local Costco.
01:08:32.886 -->
01:08:35.328you can get this at your local Costco.
01:08:35.328 -->
01:08:36.809I actually picked it up today.
01:08:36.844 -->
01:08:37.963Full name with the year.
01:08:37.963 -->
01:08:39.083It's a twenty twenty one one.
01:08:39.083 -->
01:08:41.797is a testamata from BB GREATES.
01:08:41.797 -->
01:08:45.354It is Toscama Super Tuscan twenty twenty one.
01:08:45.354 -->
01:08:53.409Yeah, it is a lovely, lovely and I've already gone through three quarters of the bottle, which is why I'm so Goodness.
01:08:53.409 -->
01:08:54.091All right.
01:08:54.091 -->
01:09:00.453And by the way, guys, if you ever want to, this I I mentioned earlier the Pinot rarely gets blended with anything.
01:09:00.453 -->
01:09:06.435But if you ever want to look to the Veneto region of Italy, they do grow a lot of what they call Pinot Nero.
01:09:06.435 -->
01:09:08.010It's just Pinot Noir, that's what call it.
01:09:08.010 -->
01:09:10.118But Pinot Nero and Merlot.
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01:09:15.770And there are some Pinot Nero Merlot blends out there coming out of the Venito.
01:09:15.770 -->
01:09:25.354uh I have not tried any of them, so I did not pair any, but Maybe that could be an amazing pairing for a movie like this is actually put the two damn grapes together.
01:09:25.354 -->
01:09:29.337It's a rare thing to find because again, Pinot does not normally work in blends.
01:09:29.408 -->
01:09:30.368but see if you can find some.
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01:09:31.064That could be fun.
01:09:31.064 -->
01:09:31.859Just give it a try.
01:09:31.859 -->
01:09:32.501See how it goes.
01:09:32.501 -->
01:09:34.778eh I'm gonna go ahead and put a bullet point here.
01:09:34.778 -->
01:09:39.797At some point, Dave and I are actually going to do a blending episode in real time.
01:09:39.797 -->
01:09:41.289Yeah.
01:09:42.092 -->
01:09:42.738Yeah.
01:09:42.738 -->
01:09:44.788Maybe he's got to explain how that's gonna work.
01:09:44.788 -->
01:09:45.961Don't worry, I got somebody.
01:09:45.961 -->
01:09:46.961We'll see.
01:09:47.337 -->
01:09:47.909All right.
01:09:47.909 -->
01:09:50.104Well, thanks so much for listening, everyone.
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