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Episode #73. Systems, Value & Action: Organizational Design with Mike Jones

This episode has been reposted from Strategy Meets Reality Podcast.

How do organizations create meaningful value in a world that’s complex, nonlinear, and constantly changing?

In this episode of The Value Creators Podcast, Hunter Hastings talks with Mike Jones — consultant, organizational psychologist, and host of Strategy Meets Reality — about systems thinking, value creation, and practical implementation. Mike explains why older, linear management models let people down in adaptive environments, how leaders should think about value exchange and asset stewardship, and why action and learning matter more than perfect forecasting.

Key insights include:

Why systems thinking is essential for organizations operating in a complex, adaptive world.
How value is discovered through exchange and experience—not merely engineered inside firms.
Why action, not endless planning, generates the information leaders need to adapt and create value.

This episode is for founders and leaders who want frameworks that actually work in messy, real-world organizations.

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00:00:00Introduction & background

00:03:11From old linear models to a systems mindset

00:04:28What systems thinking means in practice

00:07:25Teams, roles, and self-organization

00:15:28Value is in the customer’s eye; moral purpose of value creation

00:16:10Value creation vs. profit maximization (the different logic)

00:18:04Asset stewardship: “If I let my assets decline, I'm going to create less value”

00:18:49Capital, investment decisions, and risk in real organizations

00:49:14Action, iteration, and why execution beats endless planning

00:55:55Policy, management layers, and institutional friction

00:57:49Final reflections and how leaders can enable adaptive organizations

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