The Prosecutor: Interview with Brad Casio

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell
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stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are
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so shocking that many are left wondering, how is this
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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement, corrections,
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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,
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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so evil,
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many feel they are unspeakable.
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Warning.
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Unspeakable is intended for mature audiences. If you are easily offended,
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then I'm not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey y'all,
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KJ here back with another episode of Unspeakable. And I
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told you last week that I was super excited. I
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was going to have somebody in house today that I
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just think the world of, and I'm super, super proud
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to know that you would take the time out to
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come and talk to me today and to all of
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my listeners. But if you, I got a lot of
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feedback last week on the episode that I did about
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Amy and Layla and the kidnapping and rape and then
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ultimate conviction in that case and that The prosecutor who
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went in hard on that case was Brad Cascio. Well,
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I am just beyond excited to let you know that
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I have Mr. Cascio in a studio with me today.
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If you want to tell everybody hello.
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Hey, guys, I'm happy to be here. Thank you so
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much for having me.
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Absolutely. Absolutely. And thank you for I know you're busy
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and I know that you're you're working hard. So to
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take the time out to come and just talk to
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little old me means a lot. And I won't I
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won't forget that. But I want to start by saying that,
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first of all, on behalf of my listeners, I want
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to tell you thank you. Because I think that the
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job of a prosecutor in a case is this, you know,
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we don't know these victims personally.
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I don't.
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My listeners don't. But we're very invested in them. And
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we want the best. And we wanted them to get
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the win. And you got that. And On behalf of
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me and everyone that listens, I do want to tell
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you thank you so much because they messaged me and said, oh,
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my God, it's amazing. I did not think that was
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going to end this way. What a great story. And
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we need a win sometimes.
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Yeah, you know, it's nice to be in a position
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to be able to help people like this. You know,
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I feel very blessed that I have the opportunity to
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do these good things for people. And when you're working
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with these victims, you know, you don't know them when
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you first meet them. But by the time you go
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to trial, you're like best friends with them. You know,
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you feel connected and you start to get invested in
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it personally.
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And to have somebody share their most or some of
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their most intimate situations that obviously they wouldn't want to.
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You're a stranger to them just as much as the,
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you know, a rapist would have been at the in
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the beginning. But to have the ability for them to
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open up to you and to share these things with
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you so you can really understand what they went through.
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What is that like?
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So that's definitely a slow process. You know, when I
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first meet with victims, especially children or victims of sexual assault,
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you got to kind of slow play it because you
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don't want to go in day one. Here's this man
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I've never met. Hey, tell me all these horrible things
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that happened to you. I just introduce myself. I explain
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more of the process. And I ask them if they
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have any questions for me. And I just kind of
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tell them how it's going to work for the next
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several months going forward. As we get closer to the
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trial date, we start going into more of the details,
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just a little at a time, never all at once
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at one meeting.
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Because you don't want to overwhelm them, I'm guessing.
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Right. And then especially with children, I'll take them into
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the courtroom and show them where everybody sits and have
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them go sit up in the chair. you know, in
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the witness stand and, you know, just make them comfortable
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with the room. So it's not their first time walking
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in the day of trial.
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Yeah, that's cool. This isn't about me, but I'll just
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say I was a child once. And I remember during
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my parents' divorce, which is nowhere near as serious as this, though,
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that all these adults were talking to me like, you
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might have to talk to the judge. You might have
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to do this. And I mean, I remember just being
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so panicked, like, well, what does that mean? What's going
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to happen to me? So I'm sure it's a very
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delicate process, especially in something like this, like you said,
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to just slowly just let them see it and make
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it not be something jarring and new and take it
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at their own speed.
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Yeah, because for a child, if we go back to
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when we pick a jury, picking a jury is really
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an art form. And when you're doing these cases involving
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sexual assault cases, I always pick one member of the
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jury when I'm talking to them and ask them questions
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about their life and how they feel about certain issues. Mm-hmm.
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I'll say, all right, Ms. Jennings, tell me about your
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last sexual encounter. And they look at me like, I
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don't want to tell you about that. And I go, look,
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I really don't want to know. But imagine how that
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made you feel. Think about the way you felt when
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I asked you that. Now imagine if you were nine
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years old or imagine that your last sexual experience was
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a rape and you were in a room full of strangers,
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full of adults you've never seen. And you had to
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talk about that.
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Yeah. And to realize that, Even if you're a kid
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and you don't understand the full-length implications of it, you
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know that the sex act was improper. It was incorrect.
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As a child, you would know that. You would pick
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up on that. And then to have all these adults
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staring at you and everyone's hanging on your every word,
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I'm sure that would be just completely overwhelming. And yeah,
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what a great example, I would say.
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It is, yeah. I'll often let the victim, especially children,
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if they have a favorite stuffed animal, I'll let them
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bring it into court with them and hold it in
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the witness stand. The Children's Advocacy Center also has a
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therapy dog. And we've brought the dog into court before
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during trials, and the dog sits up there with the kid,
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and the kid just kind of pets the dog while
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she's telling her story.
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Yeah, that's awesome. And I'm glad that we pay attention
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like that to our victims, because it wasn't always like that.
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I'm sure we've learned a lot over the history of
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the courtroom and how we interact with our victims. So
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let me start here. Briefly, if you could just tell me,
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how did you become a prosecutor? Because when I first
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heard this, I was tickled by it, because you said
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that was not the plan.
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No, never. In my wildest dreams did I ever think
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I'd be doing this. I don't come from a family
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of lawyers or a family involved in politics. My mother
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was a school teacher. My father worked for a car dealership,
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and then he became a mailman. At the age of 19,
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I was in trade school to be a mechanic. That's
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the kind of work I wanted to do. And then
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for whatever reason, I ended up back at Southeastern, changed
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majors a couple times, decided to become a criminal justice major.
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I said, man, I want to be a federal agent.
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I want to travel and do that whole scene. And
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I met my wife at Southeastern.
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What was she studying? Do you know?
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So when I met her, she was studying speech pathology.
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Okay.
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But being raised by a teacher, I told her, I said,
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you know, this is before we were even dating. I said,
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you really seem like a teacher to me. You've got
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that quality. And she actually changed her major to education
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and is a phenomenal elementary school teacher now.
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You go, girl. Yeah. Then you decided you were going
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to swap. Well, didn't you say once, you didn't say
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this on the podcast, radio with me. But didn't you
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once say that you were going to just pick whatever
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your friend had picked?
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Yeah, I asked him. I was like, man, what are
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you majoring in? And I think accounting or finance. I
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was like, yeah, I'll try that. I did it for
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a semester. I said, no, this is not for me.
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But I realized traveling wasn't going to work out. But
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I was so far along in school, I didn't want
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to change my major again. So I got a little
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job in outside sales, and I just didn't like it.
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It wasn't fulfilling. It was boring. And my wife is
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the one that told me, you should really go to
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law school. I said, you are out of your mind.
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That's for rich people's kids. Like my family, we don't
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do that kind of thing. You know, how am I
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going to do that? And she kept pushing and pushing.
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And so I took the LSAT just kind of on
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a whim. And I remember I was at a red
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light at the corner of Highway 51 and Highway 190
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in Hammond. And I got my LSAT score emailed to me.
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And I checked it on my phone and I saw
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it and I had to read it twice.
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Excuse me? I did what? This guy?
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And so I called my boss and I was like, look, man,
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I love you. I'm giving you my four weeks notice.
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I'm going to law school. He had no idea. He
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was like, are you kidding me? I was like, no,
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I'm not. I'm dead serious. And so I went back
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to construction while I was applying to law school and
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I went to LSU for law school. I interned a
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couple of different places trying to figure out what I
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liked and I just showed up to A-Meet one day.
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I didn't know who Scott Perilou was.
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And for our listeners that are not local.
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Oh, yeah. So Scott Perilou is the current district attorney.
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Gotcha.
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This year is his 30th year in office.
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Yeah, he's been around a while.
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A long time. So this is 13 years ago, right? No,
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longer than that. It's probably 15 years ago because I
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was still in school. And I said, I want a
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part-time job while I'm in school. And he said, well,
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we don't have it in the budget. We can't pay you.
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I said, that's okay. Don't pay me. I just want
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to see if I would enjoy what y'all do here.
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And so I worked for free for quite a while,
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but I just fell in love with the work. And
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I said, okay, I found something that I love. I
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found something that I know I'm going to be good at,
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and I'm going to enjoy every minute of it. And
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I've been there ever since.
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And you did well in law school, obviously. I'm guessing
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you knocked it out of the park.
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I did well in law school. Graduated in May of
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2013 from LSU Law School. Took the bar that summer.
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And then he hired me. The bar exam, so you
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take it in July. But you don't get the results
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till October. So that's like every day you're just thinking
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about it. You're laying in bed awake like, oh, my God,
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I hope I passed. And we got it back in October.
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At the end of October, I passed. And November 1st,
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I was a felony assistant DA.
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That is so awesome. I'm so excited for you because
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I have a dream. I'm too old probably, but I
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have a dream that I'll go to law school one day.
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And I just want to go slamming these people in
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the courtroom that do these things to these innocent victims.
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And I want them to pay. And, and whatever that means,
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you know, people like you're mean. No, I'm not.
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No.
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I want justice for these people in whatever that means.
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Yeah. Look, there's a difference, you know, you got to
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know how to use that prosecutorial discretion. Right. Right. There's
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some cases you don't go all in and you don't
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go for the jugular. Right. You know, but, but on
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these particular type that we're talking about today, absolutely.
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Let's jump in on that. So last week I dropped
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an episode on Charles Smith and that is the case
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that you prosecuted and I got so angry telling this story.
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I think people could tell. I was just getting so
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mad for just a woman I've never met. Because how
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dare you do that to somebody? How dare you think
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that you can do that? So I wanted to start
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by asking you this. How often do you find yourself today,
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current times, prosecuting sex crimes?
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More often than I'd like. I would say... You know,
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I'm one of six assistant DAs. There's six felony divisions
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in every parish.
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And we each keep somewhere between 250 and 350 open
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felony files at a time.
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The vast majority, probably 75%, is drugs or drug-related. You know,
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that's our number one crime around here. That's our biggest problem.
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But second to that is domestic abuse and sexual assault. Okay.
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It's almost mind-blowing, but I like it coming from the
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horse's mouth here that it's not being blown out of
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proportion when we say that these crimes are everywhere and
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they're happening all the time just because they're not in
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your face or you're not seeing the outcomes. Oftentimes, we don't,
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as the public, get to see the outcomes of them.
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This happened right in our backyard, and I had no
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idea about it until I really started reading on this case.
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I was like, golly, that was just right down the road,
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places I go, places I drive every day.
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Whenever you decide to take a case, you look at
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the reports from the officers and you say, okay, great,
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we've got a solid case here. You do what you've
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got to do. Whenever you decided to press charges or
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to take the case and prosecute, when you first met
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the victims, that was very soon on in the process
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or was that after you had more kind of built
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the case? Like at what point do you meet the victims?
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So in this particular case, because the charges were so serious,
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I meet them pretty early on. Okay. Because I know
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this is a case that's likely to go all the
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way to trial. Okay. You know, because the guy was
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looking at three life sentences, you know, as a maximum penalty.
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going to plea it out, you know, you've got to
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have some problems with your case, right? Or you've got
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to have some witness problems, things like that. But ultimately,
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most of these will go to trial because no one's
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going to plead a life. Right. Like, why would they
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do that? I'll, you know, I'll roll the dice.
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You know?
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Well, I actually talked to the officer in this case
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and I'm glad you said that because I was talking
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to him about it and he said, yeah, I remember
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when I spoke with the prosecutor in this one, I
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kind of walked in, just kind of talking and was like, okay, so,
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you know, what kind of deal is he going to get?
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And he said, that man looked at me and said, deal.
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There's going to be no deal on this one. There's
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going to be nothing. He said, we're going to take
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this one all the way home.
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And he was like, all right. Like, you know, he
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liked it, you know.
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Well, it was a solid case. And I always talk
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to the victim first because sometimes these victims don't want
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to testify. They don't want to face their accuser. They
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don't want to go through all that, you know, because
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it re-traumatizes them a lot of times. Yeah. But the
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victim in this case, her courage and bravery was something
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that we don't see all that often.
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Tell me about her as much as you can without,
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tell me what you, I don't know if you were
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able to listen to the episode or not, but I
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kind of gave how I felt about her. What was
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your feeling about her as a person?
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Well, if I remember correctly, she was about 27. You know,
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she was raising her two-year-old daughter. And you could just
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kind of get this sense that she was very independent.
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You know, she took care of herself. She took care
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of her kid. And, you know, she was making it
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on her own kind of thing.
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And she was well put together, would you say?
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Oh, yeah. No, very presentable, very well put together. She
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didn't have any criminal history. You know, she really didn't
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have any issues other than this one particular case. serious issue.
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And what a woman. What a woman, man. She stuck
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that one out and she won. You know, I don't
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know how to say it other than that, but she won.
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And whoever you are, ma'am, I hope that you're listening
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to this, but whoever you are, you're my hero. And
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your little one, your little one is my hero, too,
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because I went through something together that I think is
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a lot of people wouldn't be tough enough to go
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into a courtroom and stand up to their attacker and
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face them and say what happened. And she did.
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Yeah. You know, some people aren't. But I think you know,
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not even in the courtroom, but during the actual progress
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of that crime, like while it was being committed, what
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she went through, you know, just in the back of
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her mind of, I have to do this to keep
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my daughter safe. I don't want him to take off
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with my child. I don't want him to hurt my child.
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I have to be able to stay in the car
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with my child to go through what she went through
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to protect your child says a lot about how she
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is as a mother. Yeah.
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And as a human being, you know, that you're not
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willing to self-sacrifice for that baby. And that's, I just,
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it means the world to me that we have people
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out there, because I'm telling you, I'd fight a bear
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for my babies. I'm telling you. So you got those
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life sentences in this case. He's gone forever. And something
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that I like to mention is that we can never
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count how many lives have been saved or victims have
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been saved by this because it'll never happen. So you
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can't necessarily put into numbers of how much it means
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to have someone put away like this. But what was
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it that, my listeners don't know this, but you took
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it to the next level after that conviction, because we
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had two big cases that came about in the next
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few years. There was the William Porter case and the
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Glenn Sullivan case. Can you tell us a little bit
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about each of these guys and what you decided to
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do when I mean take it to the next level?
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Yeah, so Glenn Sullivan was the next case out of
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this list in order. And he had impregnated a 14-year-old
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girl And how old was he? 54, if I remember correctly.
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54 years old, impregnating a 14-year-old girl.
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Yeah. And he forced the girl to lie to her
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family about who the father was. He made her say
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that it was a random guy at a high school party.
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She didn't even know his name. She has this baby.
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She's raising this baby. After two or three years, she
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just can't take it anymore. And she comes out and
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she says what actually happened. And so because we have
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an actual child, right, we can do a DNA test. Right.
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And it matches. He is the father. As Maury would say, right?
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You are the father, yeah.
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And so he couldn't deny it. We also had him
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on jail calls talking to his mom. She's like, Glenn,
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did you do it? And he's just like, yeah, mama,
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I did it. Oh, my God. So there was no
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doubt he did it. But he was a very strange fellow.
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I think there were a lot of talk about him. And, man,
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everybody felt uneasy about him for a number of years
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from what I can tell. But nobody could ever really
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pin him for something.
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I got you. Thank you. There was talk about as
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far as him with children?
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Just being a dirtbag, just a general dirtbag. This guy's
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never going to get right.
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Did he have any priors?
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I don't remember him having any serious priors sticking out
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in my memories.
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This has been— I understand.
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It's been a while. That conviction was two and a
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half years ago, a little more, a little more than
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two and a half years. But one day I was
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going through Title 14, and I come across this law
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about physical castration. Hmm. Now, up until this point, I
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knew about chemical castration, and I had done a few
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of those. And what that is is it's a series
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of injections of essentially estrogen female hormone therapy. Now, they
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still go to prison. Don't get me wrong. Everybody's still
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going to prison for this. But this estrogen, there's been
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a study. They did it to like 400 inmates, and
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it showed a reduction in sex drive, and they don't
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even want to have sex anymore. And so– I was
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doing those. But then I found physical castration. And I
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looked at it and I kind of read it again.
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I said, Mom, make sure I'm reading this right. And
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I went into Mr. Paraloo's office. I said, hey, boss,
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did you know about this? And he didn't know. It
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had been on the books since 2008.
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So the option was there to physically, surgically castrate these
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men versus the temporary reversible injections that they get. Correct.
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Right. And so I said, do you mind if I
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start doing this? And he didn't tell me no. So
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that's all I needed to hear. I said, all right,
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I have the perfect candidate because there's no doubt about
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his guilt. There's no doubt that he is a dirtbag.
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And he's, at this point in his life, if you're
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54 years old and you're behaving like this, you've probably
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been doing it for a very long time. Correct.
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I would agree.
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And you're probably never going to stop. Because once somebody's
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wired like that, you know, I had a defense lawyer
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one time. It was on a child pornography case. And
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he was actually one of my professors at LSU Law School.
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And he came to me. He said, Brad, I'm going
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to send my client to a rehab in Philadelphia. He's
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going for eight weeks. It's going to cost him like $ 6, 000
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a week. We're going to cure him of his addiction. Okay.
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I said, sir, I need to stop you right there.
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I said, I respect you as an intellectual and as
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an attorney. I think you're a very bright man. I said,
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but you can't fix this. There's no rehab or reform
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in these people. I said, you know, I like adult women.
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You can send me to rehab for eight years. Guess what?
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I'm still going to like adult women when I get out.
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You know, it's just how I'm wired. And unfortunately for
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your client, that's how he's wired. So knowing that this
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guy's never going to change, Glenn Sullivan, I decided that's
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the one we need to do. Now, that was under
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the old law where he actually had to agree to it.
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And so, you know.
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So how did that go? Well, let me, I want
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to say this real quick. It also infuriates me to
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a different level that it's bad enough he got this
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little girl pregnant, but then he made her bite the
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bullet and make it look like she was sleeping around
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at a party and that she got pregnant by some
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random kid. You know what I mean? That's another level
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of victimization, I feel like, just by making her have
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to lie and do all those things. But now he's
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admitting he's done it to his mama. He really didn't
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put up much of an argument, it seems like, at
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all that he had done it, other than he said,
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I didn't do it, and then he was The DNA
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was put in his face. He's like, okay, fine, I did.
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Basically.
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Pretty much.
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That's pretty much what happened. All right.
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And so he's found guilty. And then when you come
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forward with the, oh, by the way, we're also going
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to cut your nuts off for lack of a better term. Okay.
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You know, how'd that go?
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He was surprised. Let's put it to you that way.
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He was very shocked. He did not want to do
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that at first. You know, so this is all part
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of the, we haven't gone to trial yet or anything.
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I'm just saying, look, if you want to plead guilty,
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I'll give you 50 years, but we're also going to
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physically castrate you. But hey, having a number behind your
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name sounds pretty good because you have a chance of
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potentially getting out. Yep. Now, he's 54. He's not getting out, right?
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And his lawyer said, well, how are you going to
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do that? And I said, well, and I opened it
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up and I showed it to him. I said, look,
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we can definitely do this. Well, no one's ever done that.
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I said, it doesn't mean we can't. It's the first
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time for everything. And so there was some back and
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forth and he wasn't real thrilled about it. But ultimately,
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I had to draft a motion in order that he signed,
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his lawyer signed, I signed, and then the judge signed it.
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And that was part of his sentence. And then I'd
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say about a month later, I got a phone call
482
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from somebody within Department of Corrections. And he said, Brad,
483
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I just received a motion in order you drafted to
484
00:21:01.190 --> 00:21:05.069
have somebody castrated. I said, yes, sir, you did. And
485
00:21:05.109 --> 00:21:07.069
he said, well, what do you expect us to do?
486
00:21:08.089 --> 00:21:10.009
And I joked about my friends in La Ronja that
487
00:21:10.049 --> 00:21:11.670
have bulls. And I said, man, you could just put
488
00:21:11.690 --> 00:21:13.109
some bands on them and call it a day.
489
00:21:13.130 --> 00:21:14.769
They'll be fine. No problem.
490
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And I said, look, realistically, this is no different than
491
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if you have an inmate that has appendicitis and they
492
00:21:21.609 --> 00:21:24.210
have to have their appendix removed. You know, DOC has
493
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doctors and surgeons and dentists.
494
00:21:26.509 --> 00:21:27.250
Yeah, they have everything.
495
00:21:27.269 --> 00:21:30.240
Yeah, on contract. And if our tax dollars can be
496
00:21:30.380 --> 00:21:33.119
used to pay for a child molester to have open
497
00:21:33.140 --> 00:21:35.470
heart surgery if he needs it, it ought to be
498
00:21:35.509 --> 00:21:37.529
able to use it to pay for a castration.
499
00:21:37.569 --> 00:21:39.410
I mean, hell, Derek Todd Lee, serial killer, he got
500
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a pacemaker.
501
00:21:40.289 --> 00:21:40.450
Right.
502
00:21:40.650 --> 00:21:41.869
We got to keep you alive so we can kill
503
00:21:41.890 --> 00:21:43.509
you later. I mean, it's kind of wild.
504
00:21:43.829 --> 00:21:45.210
It doesn't make any sense to me. No.
505
00:21:45.609 --> 00:21:46.930
And this is the thing, too, I want to bring
506
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up to my listeners. All right. So there's an argument against...
507
00:21:52.450 --> 00:21:55.450
chemical castration. Let's start there, right? Because they're getting Depo-Provera
508
00:21:55.490 --> 00:21:57.839
or whatever it is that they're being injected with. And okay, y'all,
509
00:21:57.859 --> 00:21:59.920
the symptoms the men get are going to be very
510
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similar to the ones we women go through. Their breasts
511
00:22:02.420 --> 00:22:05.819
might enlarge. They might get heat flashes. Okay, well, we've
512
00:22:05.839 --> 00:22:08.140
been doing that for years. Okay, so wah, cry me
513
00:22:08.180 --> 00:22:10.839
a river. But the problem I find with just doing
514
00:22:10.859 --> 00:22:13.509
that is if they are to get out and then
515
00:22:14.009 --> 00:22:16.190
they're done, right? They stop getting the shot. They go
516
00:22:16.230 --> 00:22:16.910
right back to.
517
00:22:17.390 --> 00:22:19.589
Well, so that's the thing. If they get out, they
518
00:22:19.609 --> 00:22:20.990
have to stay on it the rest of their life.
519
00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:23.859
If it's in the sentence.
520
00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:26.319
Yeah, they have to come in on a schedule and
521
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have it done for the rest of their life. And
522
00:22:29.109 --> 00:22:31.369
they have to get drug tested because if they ever
523
00:22:31.430 --> 00:22:34.849
miss an injection or they test positive for testosterone, if
524
00:22:34.869 --> 00:22:38.970
they're taking steroids to combat it and overcome it, that's
525
00:22:39.029 --> 00:22:41.049
a new charge and they go back to prison.
526
00:22:41.309 --> 00:22:43.990
Nice. Because you're never going to be able to take
527
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away the mind of the individual. And the other thing, too,
528
00:22:48.769 --> 00:22:51.769
just because I want to open listeners' eyes maybe to
529
00:22:51.809 --> 00:22:53.539
think about this, too, that some people are like, oh,
530
00:22:53.569 --> 00:22:55.049
it's brutal. I know you said one time you had
531
00:22:55.190 --> 00:22:56.869
a guy call in from like another— Oh, a guy.
532
00:22:56.829 --> 00:23:00.430
From Canada called me repeatedly for like a week. I
533
00:23:00.450 --> 00:23:03.069
can't believe you would do this. This is inhumane. It's brutal.
534
00:23:03.109 --> 00:23:05.390
You bunch of rednecks down there in Louisiana.
535
00:23:05.690 --> 00:23:07.289
You should have said, yee-haw, and hung up.
536
00:23:07.660 --> 00:23:09.400
Well, finally I had enough of it. And I said, sir,
537
00:23:09.420 --> 00:23:12.109
where are you from? And he said, Canada. Canada. I said, well,
538
00:23:12.130 --> 00:23:14.390
the way you're defending this man, it sounds like you
539
00:23:14.450 --> 00:23:16.170
might be the same kind of person he is. So
540
00:23:16.190 --> 00:23:17.569
if I was you, I'd stay out of Louisiana.
541
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Stay right over there.
542
00:23:18.269 --> 00:23:18.529
Yeah.
543
00:23:19.089 --> 00:23:21.750
Well, since you can't rewire the brain of these people,
544
00:23:21.809 --> 00:23:23.950
the problem, too, would be that let's say that they
545
00:23:24.009 --> 00:23:27.869
did somehow cheat the system because we know criminals are
546
00:23:27.890 --> 00:23:31.150
going to do that. You know, they can then continue
547
00:23:31.170 --> 00:23:33.170
to offend people or children or whatever when they get out.
548
00:23:33.190 --> 00:23:36.819
But they also just because they can't perform justice. Standard
549
00:23:37.130 --> 00:23:40.240
sexual means doesn't mean that their fingers aren't there, that
550
00:23:40.279 --> 00:23:43.319
there's not tools there. These people are very perverse in
551
00:23:43.339 --> 00:23:46.019
what they're willing to do. And so when you are
552
00:23:46.039 --> 00:23:50.019
doing this physical castration, it's not reversible.
553
00:23:50.440 --> 00:23:51.099
Right. Right.
554
00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:52.390
And so they're kind of stuck with it.
555
00:23:52.779 --> 00:23:55.299
Yeah. And I've read a lot of the comments online, right? Like, oh,
556
00:23:55.339 --> 00:23:58.900
he still has hands. It doesn't affect his mind. But
557
00:23:58.940 --> 00:24:00.700
it kind of does affect their mind. I mean, you're
558
00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:02.480
taking out all their testosterone.
559
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So the drive reduces.
560
00:24:05.150 --> 00:24:08.470
The mental drive is not there anymore. And there's medical
561
00:24:08.769 --> 00:24:09.750
studies that show that.
562
00:24:09.910 --> 00:24:13.970
And I followed a study in the same regard on
563
00:24:13.990 --> 00:24:17.410
this because I looked deeply into it before this. And
564
00:24:17.589 --> 00:24:20.299
they did some interviews of these offenders that had been
565
00:24:20.950 --> 00:24:23.789
physically castrated. And they said that while sex would come up,
566
00:24:24.619 --> 00:24:26.519
every blue moon in their mind, it's not like it
567
00:24:26.539 --> 00:24:29.180
would go away. It was just like a mild passing thought.
568
00:24:29.319 --> 00:24:30.400
It didn't stimulate.
569
00:24:30.500 --> 00:24:30.839
It didn't.
570
00:24:31.019 --> 00:24:34.369
The drive to like, seek it just was not there.
571
00:24:34.750 --> 00:24:38.789
And so long-term you're saving victims. If you take the
572
00:24:38.829 --> 00:24:40.549
drive away, it's like, take, I guess when a, when
573
00:24:40.589 --> 00:24:43.470
a drug addict no longer is searching for the drug,
574
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I guess, in a way.
575
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Kind of what it is a good analogy, you know,
576
00:24:46.460 --> 00:24:49.059
but the other part of that is in my mind
577
00:24:49.140 --> 00:24:52.019
is that it sends a message to, to all the
578
00:24:52.099 --> 00:24:55.920
other offenders out there, right? If you, if they know, Hey,
579
00:24:55.960 --> 00:24:59.319
in the 21st judicial district in Louisiana, you get caught
580
00:24:59.359 --> 00:25:03.210
doing this, you're getting castrated, you know, It may make
581
00:25:03.230 --> 00:25:06.059
them think twice, or if nothing else, you know, maybe
582
00:25:06.079 --> 00:25:08.539
they'll go somewhere else. Yeah. You know, because as the
583
00:25:08.579 --> 00:25:11.559
DA here, assistant DA here, my job is to protect
584
00:25:11.579 --> 00:25:14.480
this community. You know, I can't do much for the
585
00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:17.279
people outside of this community, but my job is here.
586
00:25:17.839 --> 00:25:19.299
I got you. And I'm with you. And I really
587
00:25:19.339 --> 00:25:21.680
support it. I just, I feel like in a world,
588
00:25:21.779 --> 00:25:22.960
we live in a world now where everyone's supposed to
589
00:25:22.980 --> 00:25:25.009
be just so nice. And I tell everybody, no, you're
590
00:25:25.029 --> 00:25:27.029
required to be a good person, not a nice person.
591
00:25:27.349 --> 00:25:30.230
And once you've been offended by somebody like this, I'm
592
00:25:30.269 --> 00:25:32.170
with you. Do what we got to do to protect
593
00:25:32.190 --> 00:25:35.829
the children, protect women and anybody really that they would
594
00:25:35.849 --> 00:25:38.210
become victims of theirs. So let me ask you this.
595
00:25:38.309 --> 00:25:43.599
What specific problem do you think physical castration is going
596
00:25:43.619 --> 00:25:46.500
to solve that the existing sentences do not? I know
597
00:25:46.519 --> 00:25:47.680
we kind of covered that probably, but.
598
00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:51.819
Yeah. Well, again, it really removes that sex drive from them.
599
00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:53.859
You know, it takes it basically out of their mind
600
00:25:54.140 --> 00:25:57.359
almost entirely. That's what the studies show. But again, it
601
00:25:57.420 --> 00:25:59.839
sends a message. It sends a message that we're not
602
00:25:59.859 --> 00:26:02.440
going to tolerate you hurting our children here. And we're
603
00:26:02.470 --> 00:26:04.769
going to use everything we can. Look, if the legislature
604
00:26:04.809 --> 00:26:07.490
is willing to give me a tool to use to
605
00:26:07.529 --> 00:26:11.289
combat crime, I'm going to use it. That's why it
606
00:26:11.309 --> 00:26:14.140
wasn't there to fill space in the book. Yeah. It
607
00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:16.220
was there for us to use it. Yeah. So why not?
608
00:26:16.599 --> 00:26:19.119
I agree. It's there. Let's hand it out. You get
609
00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:21.960
like Oprah. You're the Oprah of Livingston Parish. You get
610
00:26:21.980 --> 00:26:24.450
a castration and you get a castration. Now, let me
611
00:26:24.490 --> 00:26:29.089
ask you this. Which sex offenders are eligible for this penalty?
612
00:26:29.210 --> 00:26:31.470
So it's very limited. You know, they really limited it
613
00:26:31.509 --> 00:26:34.710
in scope. You know, it used to be called aggravated rape.
614
00:26:34.750 --> 00:26:37.509
Now it's referred to as first degree rape, you know,
615
00:26:37.589 --> 00:26:41.809
sexual battery under 13. It's, you know, it's very finite,
616
00:26:41.849 --> 00:26:43.759
very finite ones that you can use it for. It's
617
00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:47.440
not your it's not your everyday, you know, sex crime.
618
00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:50.079
I say that and it sounds like I'm numb to it. Right.
619
00:26:50.119 --> 00:26:51.140
I get around it all the time.
620
00:26:51.819 --> 00:26:53.980
Just everything doesn't apply, though. So it's not like you're
621
00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:56.039
just running around literally doing this to everybody.
622
00:26:56.059 --> 00:26:56.420
Oh, no.
623
00:26:56.559 --> 00:26:58.680
This is the worst of the worst. It's saved for
624
00:26:59.079 --> 00:27:05.200
very horrendous and atrocious situations beyond your wildest imagination, not
625
00:27:05.240 --> 00:27:08.740
to diminish any other situations that have occurred.
626
00:27:09.069 --> 00:27:09.200
Right.
627
00:27:09.569 --> 00:27:12.710
All right. And so would you ever support physical castration
628
00:27:12.869 --> 00:27:18.900
as a mandatory in any type of situation? Specific type
629
00:27:18.980 --> 00:27:20.059
of offense, do you think?
630
00:27:20.319 --> 00:27:22.319
So for these worst of the worst cases that we
631
00:27:22.420 --> 00:27:25.740
use it for now, I think it should be mandatory.
632
00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:28.700
That's one of the platforms I'm using in my campaign
633
00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:31.789
that I'm standing on. That's going to become office policy.
634
00:27:32.420 --> 00:27:35.630
If there is a case where physical castration is allowed
635
00:27:35.690 --> 00:27:37.440
by law, we are going to do it.
636
00:27:38.269 --> 00:27:38.769
I love that.
637
00:27:38.990 --> 00:27:39.250
Every time.
638
00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:43.859
To that point, you are running for district attorney out here.
639
00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:45.859
And so I know I have listeners that are all over,
640
00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:47.920
but to my local folks, pay attention to that because
641
00:27:47.940 --> 00:27:50.880
you're listening to the man right here answer these questions.
642
00:27:50.900 --> 00:27:53.160
And I know that you're open. You're on Facebook, aren't you?
643
00:27:53.180 --> 00:27:55.579
We are. And you can go follow him on Facebook
644
00:27:55.619 --> 00:27:57.980
and you can ask questions and interact and see kind
645
00:27:58.000 --> 00:27:59.799
of what he's doing out here. And I love that.
646
00:27:59.819 --> 00:28:02.119
So that will become the policy of your office if
647
00:28:02.140 --> 00:28:02.680
you're elected.
648
00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:03.029
100%.
649
00:28:03.029 --> 00:28:05.809
Is that we go for it in any situation that's available.
650
00:28:05.930 --> 00:28:06.089
Yes.
651
00:28:06.230 --> 00:28:09.490
I love that. So you said before or you had
652
00:28:09.529 --> 00:28:12.089
mentioned that the old law was that they had to
653
00:28:12.329 --> 00:28:14.410
agree to it. That's since changed?
654
00:28:14.470 --> 00:28:18.099
That's since changed. Last year it changed for the same offenses.
655
00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:22.859
The court can do it on the state's motion that
656
00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:25.349
the court wants, even if the defendant doesn't want it.
657
00:28:25.740 --> 00:28:26.119
Got you.
658
00:28:28.049 --> 00:28:30.569
So it's not mandatory. You know, the judge can say no.
659
00:28:31.269 --> 00:28:31.670
I got you.
660
00:28:31.930 --> 00:28:34.900
But. We don't need the defendant's consent anymore. Good.
661
00:28:34.980 --> 00:28:36.990
Because the victims didn't give their consent either.
662
00:28:37.009 --> 00:28:37.380
Thank you.
663
00:28:37.890 --> 00:28:38.650
Thank you.
664
00:28:38.869 --> 00:28:41.089
But it only applies to crimes that occurred after the
665
00:28:41.130 --> 00:28:43.170
change in the law. So even if you committed the
666
00:28:43.210 --> 00:28:46.319
crime before and it's still pending, we can't utilize that.
667
00:28:46.359 --> 00:28:48.980
Understand. But moving forward, it's good to know that that
668
00:28:49.019 --> 00:28:52.200
would be a great policy. I think you're moving in
669
00:28:52.220 --> 00:28:54.680
the right direction. And so tell me this. You said
670
00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:57.079
he was surprised. That was Glenn, right?
671
00:28:57.259 --> 00:28:57.759
Right.
672
00:28:58.200 --> 00:29:00.859
Whenever that was brought up, it came out of left field.
673
00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:02.599
Did you feel some type of way when you threw
674
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:03.039
it out there?
675
00:29:03.059 --> 00:29:04.900
Yeah, I knew he was going to be surprised because
676
00:29:04.980 --> 00:29:08.869
no one's ever talked about it. And I'm sure that
677
00:29:08.950 --> 00:29:12.309
physical castration was not on Glenn Sullivan's bingo card when
678
00:29:12.329 --> 00:29:13.569
he came to court that day. Right.
679
00:29:14.150 --> 00:29:16.509
But it's also not let's make a deal. That's not
680
00:29:16.569 --> 00:29:19.390
what this is. This is more like, hey— This is
681
00:29:19.410 --> 00:29:20.710
what you should do. This is what we'd like you
682
00:29:20.750 --> 00:29:23.990
to do, and it'll benefit everybody, including yourself, help you
683
00:29:24.019 --> 00:29:26.859
calm down and not do. So what about William Porter?
684
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:29.720
So talk to me about his case.
685
00:29:30.059 --> 00:29:32.900
William Porter is a guy that really sunk his own ship.
686
00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:33.819
Okay.
687
00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:37.619
He was being investigated by a lot of different agencies
688
00:29:37.819 --> 00:29:39.380
for possession of child pornography.
689
00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:39.880
Okay.
690
00:29:40.509 --> 00:29:43.190
And, you know, they have, the way that works is
691
00:29:43.250 --> 00:29:47.369
for people that don't understand, it's pretty interesting. Every file
692
00:29:47.430 --> 00:29:50.710
that's ever been saved on a computer has what's called
693
00:29:50.779 --> 00:29:53.200
a hash number or a hash value. And it's like a,
694
00:29:53.859 --> 00:29:57.880
like a social security number or a fingerprint. They're all different. Okay.
695
00:29:58.250 --> 00:30:03.190
And the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, NCMEC,
696
00:30:03.589 --> 00:30:07.210
has a database of known child pornography, and they store
697
00:30:07.250 --> 00:30:08.819
it by their hash numbers.
698
00:30:09.940 --> 00:30:12.160
So certain files.
699
00:30:12.420 --> 00:30:13.000
Certain files.
700
00:30:13.220 --> 00:30:14.839
So if they're shared, you can follow the hash.
701
00:30:15.019 --> 00:30:17.839
Correct. So it alerts the system, hey, somebody's sharing this
702
00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:20.609
file that we know is child pornography. So that hits
703
00:30:20.660 --> 00:30:23.450
at NCMEC. Somebody pulls it up, looks at it, verifies
704
00:30:23.490 --> 00:30:25.509
it is what it is, and they reach out to
705
00:30:25.529 --> 00:30:28.089
whatever agencies in that area. They get a warrant for
706
00:30:28.109 --> 00:30:30.410
the IP address. They get the IP address, and they
707
00:30:30.430 --> 00:30:33.730
go to the service provider, whether it's Cox or Charter
708
00:30:33.750 --> 00:30:36.309
or AT & T, whoever, with a warrant to them.
709
00:30:36.390 --> 00:30:39.299
And then we get the subscriber information, their name, their address.
710
00:30:40.220 --> 00:30:42.759
And so we know exactly where they're at, and we
711
00:30:42.779 --> 00:30:45.259
can find out when it was downloaded. Look, you know
712
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:48.420
the exact address where it was downloaded or uploaded. You
713
00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:50.920
know the time and date, like down to the minute
714
00:30:51.380 --> 00:30:52.640
of when that file was accessed.
715
00:30:53.299 --> 00:30:55.059
And even if they delete it, it doesn't matter because
716
00:30:55.099 --> 00:30:55.519
it's already.
717
00:30:55.539 --> 00:30:56.099
We already got it.
718
00:30:56.099 --> 00:30:56.759
Yeah, you already got it.
719
00:30:56.839 --> 00:30:57.400
We already got it.
720
00:30:57.440 --> 00:30:57.720
Love it.
721
00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:02.289
I had a guy actually admit the other day, there's
722
00:31:02.329 --> 00:31:04.430
no way they got that child porn from my computer
723
00:31:04.450 --> 00:31:07.289
because I deleted it before they showed up. And he
724
00:31:07.329 --> 00:31:09.410
said it in court on the record. And I looked
725
00:31:09.430 --> 00:31:10.960
at my court reporter and I was like, hey, can
726
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:11.980
I get that please?
727
00:31:12.900 --> 00:31:14.220
Ding, ding, ding. There it is.
728
00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:17.900
Wow. So they execute a search warrant at William Porter's
729
00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:20.109
house to take his computers and his phones and that
730
00:31:20.119 --> 00:31:22.730
kind of thing. And the agents are talking to him
731
00:31:22.769 --> 00:31:25.869
about the child porn. And not only does he admit
732
00:31:25.910 --> 00:31:28.710
to the child porn, he then admits to a sex
733
00:31:28.829 --> 00:31:29.569
act on a juvenile.
734
00:31:31.069 --> 00:31:31.569
Just right there.
735
00:31:31.769 --> 00:31:33.410
Right there. Just out of the blue. And the agents
736
00:31:33.450 --> 00:31:35.309
were kind of, they were shocked, right? They looked at
737
00:31:35.329 --> 00:31:37.170
each other like, wait a minute, what did you just say?
738
00:31:38.130 --> 00:31:40.109
And he just confessed to it again.
739
00:31:40.309 --> 00:31:42.069
And I had pulled some of that because I was
740
00:31:42.109 --> 00:31:44.250
reading through it. And from what I understand, it was
741
00:31:44.269 --> 00:31:46.799
a nine-year-old victim, correct? That's a second grader.
742
00:31:47.150 --> 00:31:47.339
Right.
743
00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:52.180
And he was abusing this child just, you know. So
744
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:54.500
for people who say, oh, child porn, that's something I
745
00:31:54.519 --> 00:31:57.579
wanted to ask you about. The ruling by these federal
746
00:31:57.599 --> 00:32:00.859
judges that this AI child porn, oh, that should be protected,
747
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:03.660
you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. This is a
748
00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:07.869
testament to why I can't understand that. Anybody that is
749
00:32:07.970 --> 00:32:10.930
fueled by child pornography, you think that they're not going
750
00:32:10.950 --> 00:32:11.910
to want a real victim?
751
00:32:12.890 --> 00:32:15.970
It always, inevitably, if we don't stop it, it will
752
00:32:16.069 --> 00:32:18.509
escalate to that. Yes. You know, like it used to
753
00:32:18.549 --> 00:32:21.400
be the men that would flash people in public. You know,
754
00:32:21.460 --> 00:32:22.279
you had your flashers.
755
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:22.579
Yeah.
756
00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:25.079
They would start doing that until that didn't, you know,
757
00:32:25.180 --> 00:32:26.900
do anything for them anymore. Yeah. And then they would
758
00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:29.099
start groping and touching and grabbing, and then it leads
759
00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:29.589
to raping.
760
00:32:29.769 --> 00:32:29.940
Yeah.
761
00:32:30.140 --> 00:32:31.670
It's the same thing with child porn. Yeah.
762
00:32:31.730 --> 00:32:33.690
No one's going to look at something and then not–
763
00:32:33.829 --> 00:32:36.109
I mean, hell, we look at a menu before we order. Why?
764
00:32:36.190 --> 00:32:37.990
Because we want to get prepared for what we're about
765
00:32:38.029 --> 00:32:41.049
to eat. And so this is one of those exact things. Like,
766
00:32:41.089 --> 00:32:42.809
you just thought you were going in– not just for, but,
767
00:32:42.829 --> 00:32:45.490
you know, for child pornography, not with a live victim.
768
00:32:45.509 --> 00:32:47.930
Then you roll out of there with a living, breathing
769
00:32:47.970 --> 00:32:51.569
victim right there, you know– not even expecting that.
770
00:32:51.670 --> 00:32:53.170
No, I don't think anybody expected that.
771
00:32:53.970 --> 00:32:55.190
And so what ended up happening with him?
772
00:32:56.109 --> 00:32:59.710
Um, same situation as Glenn, you know, um, he agreed
773
00:32:59.750 --> 00:33:01.819
to it. He did. And he did not at first,
774
00:33:01.980 --> 00:33:03.640
it took him a few months of coming back and
775
00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:06.480
forth to court. And I kept telling this lawyer, I'm
776
00:33:06.579 --> 00:33:09.279
not budging on this. Yeah. He can either do this
777
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:11.160
or we're going to go to trial and I'm still
778
00:33:11.180 --> 00:33:12.650
going to ask for it. Yeah.
779
00:33:13.309 --> 00:33:13.509
Good.
780
00:33:13.650 --> 00:33:14.930
Um, Good.
781
00:33:14.990 --> 00:33:17.990
I mean, this is just, you know, there's some things
782
00:33:18.009 --> 00:33:19.849
that like I heard you say before, like you can
783
00:33:19.869 --> 00:33:22.279
at least understand why someone got where they were. Like
784
00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:23.759
if you got mad and you pulled a trigger.
785
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:24.180
Right.
786
00:33:24.299 --> 00:33:26.079
It wasn't right. You know, but.
787
00:33:26.559 --> 00:33:27.680
You can still follow the logic.
788
00:33:27.700 --> 00:33:28.210
You can follow it.
789
00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:30.079
You know, a drug addict who breaks into a car
790
00:33:30.099 --> 00:33:32.609
to steal, to get money, to go buy dope. I
791
00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:34.549
don't agree with it, but I follow the logic. I
792
00:33:34.589 --> 00:33:35.430
see how you got there.
793
00:33:35.609 --> 00:33:35.829
Yeah.
794
00:33:36.230 --> 00:33:37.210
None of this makes sense.
795
00:33:37.529 --> 00:33:39.349
No. And it's not something we can predict either. It's
796
00:33:39.369 --> 00:33:42.920
very hard to, I think. Without seeing red flags, which
797
00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:44.799
are– then that means things are happening, right?
798
00:33:44.980 --> 00:33:45.220
Right.
799
00:33:45.819 --> 00:33:51.380
So let me ask you this. What about juvenile sex offenders?
800
00:33:52.779 --> 00:33:56.099
How do you– where is the line drawn in the
801
00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:59.500
law insofar as castration of juvenile offenders?
802
00:34:00.779 --> 00:34:02.059
I don't think we're allowed to do that.
803
00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:02.920
I wouldn't think so.
804
00:34:03.220 --> 00:34:09.960
Yeah. But– I wouldn't– I don't think we're allowed to
805
00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:13.539
do that to juveniles. I would say that on juvenile
806
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:16.179
sex offenses, those are really, you got to take them
807
00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:19.949
case by case. You got to treat those totally differently.
808
00:34:20.739 --> 00:34:21.019
I agree.
809
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:22.519
We don't have to go in more depth. I just
810
00:34:22.539 --> 00:34:23.780
was curious if you were going to be– I didn't
811
00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:25.210
know if you were going to be like, oh, well, actually.
812
00:34:25.230 --> 00:34:26.269
No, no, no, no, no.
813
00:34:26.329 --> 00:34:27.309
I was like, oh, God.
814
00:34:27.690 --> 00:34:27.969
Wow.
815
00:34:28.289 --> 00:34:31.030
All right. And so the medical professionals that carry this out,
816
00:34:31.110 --> 00:34:32.590
like I think you touched on that too, that that's
817
00:34:32.610 --> 00:34:34.230
just going to be like going for a procedure, get
818
00:34:34.269 --> 00:34:35.869
it done, and then go back.
819
00:34:35.989 --> 00:34:37.610
I mean, I can't see why it would be any different.
820
00:34:37.780 --> 00:34:37.960
Yeah.
821
00:34:38.059 --> 00:34:39.800
You know, we use our tax dollars all the time
822
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:42.280
to perform, you know, so inmates can have surgeries and
823
00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:46.139
doctor visits and dental visits. I got you. This is
824
00:34:47.139 --> 00:34:48.119
just a procedure form.
825
00:34:48.539 --> 00:34:51.539
And so as far as motive of going for this,
826
00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:57.019
would you say it's a combination of incapacitation and deterrence
827
00:34:58.019 --> 00:35:01.139
and retribution and public safety? Or would you say it's
828
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:04.530
more one or the other? What is your ultimate viewpoint
829
00:35:04.570 --> 00:35:04.840
on that?
830
00:35:05.139 --> 00:35:08.449
I think it's a combination of, you know, stopping them
831
00:35:08.510 --> 00:35:11.909
from ever being able to do this again or doing
832
00:35:11.929 --> 00:35:13.869
as much as we can, right, to stop them from
833
00:35:13.909 --> 00:35:16.630
ever doing this again to somebody. Mm-hmm. and sending a
834
00:35:16.659 --> 00:35:19.159
message to every other offender out there. This is not
835
00:35:19.219 --> 00:35:21.460
the place to play around. I love it.
836
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:24.539
Tell me this, considering everything we have discussed today, I
837
00:35:24.619 --> 00:35:26.760
want to tell you this, though. I do appreciate your
838
00:35:27.219 --> 00:35:29.619
viewpoint and that you're going after this on these offenders.
839
00:35:29.659 --> 00:35:31.920
And again, not because I'm mean, but because we got
840
00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:34.460
to do something. This is getting out of control with
841
00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:35.260
technology today.
842
00:35:35.380 --> 00:35:40.570
It's... Technology, look, social media and technology, you know, it's
843
00:35:40.590 --> 00:35:41.429
great for stuff like this.
844
00:35:41.650 --> 00:35:42.170
Yeah. Right?
845
00:35:43.389 --> 00:35:47.489
But... Just like anything else in this world, when advancement
846
00:35:47.570 --> 00:35:49.650
gets in the hands of evil people, they use it
847
00:35:49.670 --> 00:35:52.969
for evil things. The amount of cases that start with
848
00:35:53.010 --> 00:35:58.559
a juvenile and a phone, it's always a phone. For years,
849
00:35:58.739 --> 00:36:01.260
since I've been an assistant DA, 13 years, I've been
850
00:36:01.300 --> 00:36:03.480
going to schools and talking to kids about their phones,
851
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:05.719
saying you really need to be careful what you're doing
852
00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:07.699
on that phone. When you're on Snapchat, when you're on
853
00:36:07.739 --> 00:36:10.400
these apps and you're talking to people and you're sending pictures,
854
00:36:10.460 --> 00:36:12.519
you don't know who you're sending that to. You don't
855
00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:13.699
really know who you're talking to.
856
00:36:13.969 --> 00:36:15.389
And it's like they don't get it. And that's actually
857
00:36:15.409 --> 00:36:18.460
what I was rolling into. What would your advice be
858
00:36:18.559 --> 00:36:20.519
in these situations of the things that you've seen over
859
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:23.440
and over and over again, just over and over again?
860
00:36:23.460 --> 00:36:27.039
The answer seems to be don't give your kid a phone.
861
00:36:27.340 --> 00:36:29.719
Yeah. You know, my daughter is going to be 12
862
00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:32.099
in a couple weeks. And she's like, Daddy, I really
863
00:36:32.139 --> 00:36:34.110
want a cell phone for my birthday. And I said,
864
00:36:34.179 --> 00:36:36.670
I love you, but you're not getting one. Yeah. You know,
865
00:36:36.710 --> 00:36:38.510
there's no need for her to have one yet. Now,
866
00:36:38.530 --> 00:36:40.349
when she starts going out on her own, you know,
867
00:36:41.090 --> 00:36:41.869
in her teenage years.
868
00:36:41.909 --> 00:36:42.530
And driving.
869
00:36:42.730 --> 00:36:45.420
Yeah, she's going to have a phone. Right. And I'm
870
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:47.539
not joking when I say this. She thinks I'm joking.
871
00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:50.219
It's probably going to be a flip phone. All she
872
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:51.840
needs to do is to be able to call people.
873
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:53.760
Hey, we had pagers, okay? We had to go get
874
00:36:53.780 --> 00:36:54.400
a pay phone.
875
00:36:54.539 --> 00:36:55.360
That's right. Okay?
876
00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:57.539
My little boyfriend in high school, I'd put in 143.
877
00:36:57.539 --> 00:36:59.000
So it'd say, I love you. And I'd page him
878
00:36:59.039 --> 00:36:59.780
just so he would know.
879
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:00.380
Okay.
880
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:02.000
We had to live in the hard times back then.
881
00:37:02.019 --> 00:37:03.079
That's right. The struggle.
882
00:37:03.239 --> 00:37:04.739
They'll be okay. They'll be all right.
883
00:37:04.989 --> 00:37:06.570
There's just, you know, there's no need for a kid
884
00:37:06.610 --> 00:37:12.489
to have unfettered, unsupervised access to everything on the internet.
885
00:37:13.070 --> 00:37:15.510
Because there's so much bad stuff out there and there's
886
00:37:15.530 --> 00:37:18.309
so many bad people on the other end of that phone.
887
00:37:18.829 --> 00:37:20.849
You know, here in Livingston, I've been working with our
888
00:37:20.989 --> 00:37:24.800
ICAC team for years. And when Chris Hansen comes to town,
889
00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:27.500
I've been on five or six of those undercover operations.
890
00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:32.880
And it is frightening when you, you know, the LPSO
891
00:37:32.900 --> 00:37:35.280
will make a profile of a 15-year-old girl, set it up,
892
00:37:36.090 --> 00:37:38.809
send something out there. Within a matter of 20 or
893
00:37:38.809 --> 00:37:43.030
30 minutes, you've just got messages coming in. inappropriate photographs,
894
00:37:43.269 --> 00:37:47.289
inappropriate questions. One night at an apartment in Denham Springs,
895
00:37:47.690 --> 00:37:51.349
we had 11 men show up in one night thinking
896
00:37:51.369 --> 00:37:54.449
they were meeting a 15-year-old kid. I mean, they were
897
00:37:54.469 --> 00:37:55.469
rolling in one after the other.
898
00:37:56.360 --> 00:37:57.550
Just like clockwork.
899
00:37:58.139 --> 00:38:01.000
One guy drove all the way from Arkansas. And I
900
00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:02.920
can remember thinking like, man, you had like six and
901
00:38:02.940 --> 00:38:04.840
a half hours to think about what you were doing
902
00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:06.500
and change your mind and turn around.
903
00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:08.460
And all he did was press that gas harder.
904
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:13.280
We had a doctor from HOMA. one man came in
905
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:15.280
with a book sack, and when they looked into it,
906
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:19.940
he had bungee cords and a pistol. Yeah.
907
00:38:20.340 --> 00:38:23.969
And I think about all these kids, you know, I
908
00:38:24.010 --> 00:38:26.050
think about a lot of kids that, you know, I'm
909
00:38:26.429 --> 00:38:30.349
a helicopter mom, and I don't care. You're going to
910
00:38:30.369 --> 00:38:31.909
go through me. That's all I can tell you. You're
911
00:38:31.929 --> 00:38:33.469
going to go through me. But I think about all
912
00:38:33.510 --> 00:38:35.880
these kids that don't have that. But for some reason,
913
00:38:35.889 --> 00:38:37.539
they always seem to have a phone. They won't even
914
00:38:37.579 --> 00:38:40.389
be fed, but they'll have a phone. And I think
915
00:38:40.449 --> 00:38:43.969
about the thing my daddy, my stepdaddy's a Marine, okay?
916
00:38:44.010 --> 00:38:46.159
And something he told me when I was in like
917
00:38:46.300 --> 00:38:48.380
fifth grade, I've never forgotten it. He said, baby, don't
918
00:38:48.420 --> 00:38:51.699
ever forget that if the enemy is in close range,
919
00:38:51.739 --> 00:38:55.179
so are you. And so when I think about the
920
00:38:55.219 --> 00:38:58.539
cell phone, we're telling our kids, be careful about what
921
00:38:58.599 --> 00:39:00.760
you put out there. Be careful about, but what's happening
922
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:02.659
is they're not realizing is that what's on the other
923
00:39:02.699 --> 00:39:05.139
side of the phone is coming after them. And it's like,
924
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:08.320
I don't think they understand that. It's not even you really.
925
00:39:08.340 --> 00:39:12.139
You could be innocent. doing just putting normal pictures. They're
926
00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:13.559
going to be coming after you.
927
00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:15.840
They're looking for you. I mean, these guys are on there.
928
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:19.159
They're looking for people. And every single guy that shows
929
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:21.920
up at these sting operations, they all say the same thing.
930
00:39:22.909 --> 00:39:26.610
I've never done this before. There is no way somebody
931
00:39:26.670 --> 00:39:29.949
is so unlucky the first time they have an inappropriate chat.
932
00:39:30.139 --> 00:39:32.320
with a child online, it's actually the police on the
933
00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:33.699
other side. There's just no way.
934
00:39:33.739 --> 00:39:35.039
And they say it like 15 times.
935
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:37.300
Yeah. I'm 13. We make it very clear. They make
936
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:40.239
it very clear that they are underage. Are you okay
937
00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:43.460
with that? You know, my parents aren't home. I don't
938
00:39:43.510 --> 00:39:44.820
want to get in trouble. I don't want to get
939
00:39:44.889 --> 00:39:47.630
you in trouble. And they just don't, they don't care.
940
00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:50.539
You know, and when you talk about parents giving their
941
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:53.860
kids phones and not really paying attention, you know, my
942
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:55.820
wife and I remind each other of this all the time.
943
00:39:57.239 --> 00:40:01.349
Being a parent is hard if you're a good parent. Yeah.
944
00:40:01.590 --> 00:40:03.289
You know, it's very easy to be a parent if
945
00:40:03.309 --> 00:40:05.050
you're just going to throw a phone at them and
946
00:40:05.110 --> 00:40:08.489
just walk away and have them entertain themselves. Right. But
947
00:40:08.530 --> 00:40:11.190
what you're doing is setting your kid up for a disaster.
948
00:40:12.949 --> 00:40:16.469
It's frightening. I know it's becoming almost a necessary thing
949
00:40:16.510 --> 00:40:19.119
nowadays to have some type of communication with your child.
950
00:40:20.420 --> 00:40:22.599
But just be aware. I tell parents, be aware of
951
00:40:22.659 --> 00:40:26.739
what apps are on your kids' phones. At nighttime, for instance,
952
00:40:26.780 --> 00:40:29.059
when your kid's at home and they're going to bed,
953
00:40:29.900 --> 00:40:32.500
take the phone. Put it on the charger in your
954
00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:34.199
room because why else would they need it? Right.
955
00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:36.800
And I'll tell you something in my household, too. The
956
00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:39.559
second you turn that phone over or you swipe out
957
00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:42.360
of something when I walk up, you've lost it. Give
958
00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:45.219
it to me. Let me see it because there's no reason.
959
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:46.519
And I'm not talking about a little cuss word here
960
00:40:46.539 --> 00:40:48.139
and there, which I do not condone. My kids better
961
00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:50.550
not be cussing. But what I'm saying is, you know,
962
00:40:50.570 --> 00:40:54.170
I understand kids are going to do silly things like that.
963
00:40:54.210 --> 00:40:56.429
But it's the one time you don't check that it
964
00:40:56.469 --> 00:41:00.309
could be a communication with somebody that'll take your kid
965
00:41:01.010 --> 00:41:01.670
and never see him again.
966
00:41:02.090 --> 00:41:02.210
Yeah.
967
00:41:02.230 --> 00:41:03.489
You know, come pick him up and you never see
968
00:41:03.530 --> 00:41:03.809
him again.
969
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I had a case here in Livingston of a started
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out on the phone, on the Internet, talking. And it
971
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was an underage girl. I believe she was in the
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city of Walker, if I'm not mistaken. It's been several years.
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And the defendant was in his late 20s. He drove
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from Texas to her house. And he walked up to
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the door and knocked on the door. Well, he was
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at the neighbor's house on accident. And, you know, a
977
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man answered the door and he was like, oh, I'm
978
00:41:30.530 --> 00:41:33.320
here to see, you know, so-and-so. And the man said, well,
979
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she lives next door. And he closed the door and
980
00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:38.269
he said, well, that was weird. So he called that
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girl's dad or stepdad, I can't remember now, and told
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him he came home. He was packing her suitcase. He
983
00:41:45.190 --> 00:41:48.289
had a hotel reservation on the other side of town.
984
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He was going to leave the house with that child.
985
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It's a real deal. And look, I'm still figuring out
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this parent thing, right? My oldest is about to be 12.
987
00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:00.800
My two boys are eight and six. It's a hard
988
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:04.010
thing to figure out because you know, you get scared off.
989
00:42:04.050 --> 00:42:06.250
I'm too overbearing. They're going to, they're going to lash
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00:42:06.389 --> 00:42:07.630
out and they're going to, you know, they're going to
991
00:42:07.650 --> 00:42:10.010
get wild whenever they get a second of freedom. Yeah.
992
00:42:10.289 --> 00:42:12.110
But if you just cut them loose and don't watch them,
993
00:42:12.130 --> 00:42:13.469
they're going to get in trouble. So where do you
994
00:42:13.510 --> 00:42:14.349
find that balance?
995
00:42:14.369 --> 00:42:16.760
That's hard. You'll just have to hate me today and
996
00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:18.659
love me tomorrow. That's where I'm at. Hate me today
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00:42:18.679 --> 00:42:20.159
and love me tomorrow. Cause I want you to live
998
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:23.059
to enjoy your life and not have something traumatic happen
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to you that I can't undo. Well, listen, thank you
1000
00:42:25.579 --> 00:42:28.219
so much for your insight because I love having the
1001
00:42:28.260 --> 00:42:30.809
person who actually deals with it and does it sitting
1002
00:42:30.849 --> 00:42:32.769
across from me and, I hope that in the future,
1003
00:42:32.849 --> 00:42:34.840
maybe we could do some other cases I could cover
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00:42:34.949 --> 00:42:37.360
of yours. And, you know, we could get back together
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00:42:37.380 --> 00:42:38.980
and we can talk about it. Will you be at
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Fall Fest?
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I will.
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In Denham Springs?
1009
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Yes.
1010
00:42:42.340 --> 00:42:44.739
Cool. I'll be at Fall Fest, too, for my local listeners.
1011
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If you are going to be out there, look for me.
1012
00:42:46.469 --> 00:42:49.949
I'll have a booth, my unspeakable booth. And then, Cassio,
1013
00:42:49.989 --> 00:42:51.889
you'll be out there. We'll be out there. You know,
1014
00:42:51.909 --> 00:42:53.889
you can shake his hand, tell him hello, and say, hey,
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00:42:53.909 --> 00:42:54.510
I heard about you.
1016
00:42:54.530 --> 00:42:56.929
Yeah, we'll probably have a booth out there as well.
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Okay, perfect.
1018
00:42:57.719 --> 00:42:57.909
So, yeah.
1019
00:42:58.170 --> 00:42:59.860
Well, thank you so much. I really enjoyed this.
1020
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Yeah, thanks for having me. I enjoyed it.
1021
00:43:01.150 --> 00:43:02.630
No problem. And until next time, we will catch you
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on the flip.