Our Interview with Anthony Arillotta Part 3 of 5: The Mafia's Inner Workings

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This podcast contains discussions of violence and other subject matter that
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may be triggering or disturbing to some audiences.
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Listener discretion is strongly advised. New York was hanging around with me
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and they see what I had in Connecticut, Western Mass.
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You know, when we went out everywhere, they seen their respect, the crew that I had.
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We would go out and, you know, something would break out and.
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You know, we would hurt guys really bad if not near death.
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And then so the you know new york guys were around us
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and this guy john would bring up other new york
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guys and we had the club you know club blue in hartford and
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a lot of times we would right you know you did that
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there and i get provocatively there too i don't.
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Know what you talk about continue we broke the place up so they
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would go back and go these kids are crazy you know these kids
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are nuts and so but the money too.
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Though you have to be like again like i think
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part of the reason they were tices has to be because of you
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because you knew how to make money right so they
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had i had we had a violent crew i had the biggest crew the
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most violent crew and every one of my guys were millionaires i
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made up so like when a guy was around me i
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had all the violent guys and you didn't have to be a violent guy to be around
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you had partners that were just good businessmen around me that
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were just but we were we knew how to make money
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i knew how to make money so my crew knows how
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to make money and then you call on my crew why because i network
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with you you become my friend i'm making you money
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you're making me money but i'm supplying you so
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you're we're both helping each other out and we're both getting rich
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doing it and i just had the biggest crew and the most violent
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group and so you know
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they uh they wanted loyalty with
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them already wanted you know things were getting really
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bad with him and burro because we ended up becoming boss
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in 01 they were getting bad so they were trying to create
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some loyal guys that were direct with
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arty so it would have been like i said me joey and reno but
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joey ran away and reno didn't come with so i
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got the two greeks but they're still you can consider them made
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you don't have to have officially be made to you
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know that's just like technicality no one's going to abuse my two friends and
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you know and they're greek and they need money though right i mean i made up.
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Billionaires because it's like all right so you're green so you can't be ever
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you can't be made you can't be in the family so what the fuck is enticing to
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them but obviously but for me though
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they want to be push me to get made them because now we could go to like other
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cities and be recognized as you know with bosses and that's how you make money
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you network you know what i mean so it could be you know a big garbage deal
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with the boston guys or it could be a big strip club deal with the Providence
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guys and, you know, Connecticut and everything.
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So, and it would be where, because now you're a made guy, you're a made guy.
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You wouldn't have to commit the violence as much because now they know we're
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with the biggest crime family in the country, New York City, Genovese family.
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And they know who I am. All the people that needed to know knew who I was.
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So if I sent something and said, it's coming from me, it settles everything,
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you know, because now they know, all right, it's with him and it's on record and blah, blah, blah.
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So it stops all the commotion and the stupid bickering and beefing that.
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Because like when Bruno got killed in 2003, nobody knew in my area that I was made.
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Don't forget. You couldn't tell that. Right. So Bruno didn't know.
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Bruno knew, but he kind of knew because he's smart. But no one ever told him.
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So like when I'm going to try to take over. He knew. You said he knew.
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Oh, 100%. He knew, but he didn't know based on the official way.
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He's like, he's the boss.
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How does he not know? He's supposed to be told like, you know what I mean?
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So is he kind of waiting like, well, if you're not going to tell him that your
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maid is fucking already in New York, going to tell him like,
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so he must. He was in trouble.
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He was in trouble. Yeah. He was in trouble with the New York guys,
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but not to get killed from. They were just going to demote him. The reason he knew.
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No, to a soldier. Okay. Yeah. Lost to a soldier.
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And, you know, and that's all that was going to happen to Bruin.
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The reason he knew that I was made that I know is one fact is there was a little
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art beef going on with me and this guy, Jakey Nettis, who's a killer, killed lots of guys.
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And he Bruno was he was around Bruno at the time. And Jakey wanted to see me at his house.
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And because I kept defying Bruno, why are you hanging up? Bruno said,
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why are you hanging around with Emilio Fusco? Well, he was another made guy.
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And so I said, what do you mean? He said, what's wrong with Emilio?
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And he goes, why do you keep defying me? So Jakey wanted me to come to his house.
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I go over there with Freddie.
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And he just wanted, he goes, why do you defy Bruno and this and that?
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I said, well, defy him as what? Now, I'm made at this time, right?
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Right. But I'm not telling Jakey I'm made. So anyways, I just happened to mention it to Artie.
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Artie, Jakey was in jail with Larry Denticle, who was powerhouse out of New Jersey, powerful boss.
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He was actually a boss with Artie at the same time. So Larry calls Jakey and
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says, hey, he goes, you know that kid up there, Anthony, you know, Bingy, they call me.
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He goes, when you see him, treat him like you would treat me.
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Now, what's that telling you?
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You know, so of course, Jakey's going to go back and tell Bruno, right?
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And then if he's going to, so
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Bruno's going to be like, treat him like he treats you. This guy's a boss.
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You know so you know come on you know he knew
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and then he actually even told me one time when we were
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talking he goes i know you got this and he pointed to my chest he
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pointed at his chest and he went my dad he goes i know you got this like got
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my my uh finger pricked because they prick your fingers you know so yeah we
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got to talk about the ceremony we jumped around a little bit but we were talking
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about al bruno and i think it's important that we talk about the ceremony because You jump around to,
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you know, we're talking about even being made, but.
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Everybody wants to know, you know, watch Sopranos, you watch Goodfellas,
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you watch everything, you see the, give our viewers, give our listeners.
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What is, what is the whole process like of becoming me?
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So it's like the ultimate goal. Like I said, for the Italian kid,
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my age and younger grownups, seventies, eighties, sixties, all the way up to
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thousands and everything.
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If you were a young, wild kid and violent, and you couldn't,
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back then you had a kill system.
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So if you could do that, ultimate goal was you were going to get your butt and get made.
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And so like, that would be, you know, it would, it was a good thing back then today.
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It, it's not a good thing. It doesn't exist. There's no reason to get made.
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There's nothing on the streets that would warrant you to go out that route.
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The only thing today, it would, I would say it's like, it's more of like a business
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group guys with a lot of money that are involved.
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You had some old timers that maybe you can network and start some legitimate
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businesses and make some money that way.
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But there's no more killings and there's no more street rackets or most of them are legal now.
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But back then it was like an honor. It was an honor to get that button to get made into the family.
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And it's a very it's like maybe an athlete getting into the Hall of Fame or
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a young you know, college player getting recruited into the NFL,
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picked into the NFL, things like that. You know, it's an honor.
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It's, um, it's, um, exciting.
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And, you know, it's a ceremony. You got called bound. It's, uh,
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I got called bound to New York.
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Ah. And you're supposed to be like, you know, you're not supposed to know why
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your phone there, you know, like, you know, what's going on.
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Right. You're getting called. So you're just pretending like,
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I don't know. Because they used to play games. I got back in the day,
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like the boss would call you.
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Hey, come, come and meet me. at like thank you coming thank you thank you thank you,
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You know, the boss would say, you know, tell him one of his soldiers,
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Hey, I want to see you at three o'clock in the morning.
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You better get out of bed and go down there. You really don't know why he wants to see it.
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And it was like, Oh, no, no. I just wanted to ask you a question about it.
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It was just testing them. Would you really call them three o'clock in the morning if I call you?
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Because they're not like, if they call you when they need to,
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you've got to come, right? Amen.
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So, you know, you, you get to the restaurant, I get there and that day it was
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going to be four of us to get made, three other guys from New York and me.
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And they were going to do two at a time we were at this restaurant in the bronx
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they tell you to take off your necklace watches rings beepers back then phones
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leave everything like in this little ashtray right here and then we're going
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to go two at a time over to this like apartment.
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You know set up social it was an apartment and building but
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it was like a social club setup you know with like tables where
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you could play cards and things like that and nothing nothing that
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you could flaunt nothing it's just nothing fancy or anything right
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just a just a place you wouldn't even recognize it yeah i
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mean it was like a an an old like how could
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i say it like if you ever been that like a dimly lit
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setting where you know people you could see people playing cards and yeah and
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you know just that that um social club setting i got you if they want to you
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know like you know play casino games and and so when it was my turn me and this
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other guy Two of us, we got into the Cadillac.
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We drove over, got out, walked into the place, and there was other bosses and
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captains that were there in this apartment.
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And then they did the kid with me first, and they would make us strip down to
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our boxers and put a bachelor on.
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And then when he walked out, it would be a table like this, and there'd be a gun and a knife on it.
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Two bosses were sitting at the table, Artie and Pataluka.
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And you sit down and you know Artie
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was sitting directly in front of me Pat was off to his right
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and it wasn't closer so we'll just picture this Tava
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so he was a lot closer and you know
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I was you know it was really how you
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could say a lot of nerves and everything but I can't you know it was like very
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soon they told me afterwards out of the four guys that I you know because a
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lot of guys are nervous this is like their big day that you know to even big
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leagues and everything and you Sometimes they get a little anxiety or whatever.
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He already told the guy, he goes, Anthony, he's the best one when we walked in.
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And, you know, they just tell you, you know, we're part of a secret society.
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Would you want to join us? Oh, do you know why you're here? They say.
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I say, no. We're part of a secret society.
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I don't remember if he said the Genevieve's family, but would you want to join?
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I said, yes. He said, if we ask you to, you see the gun and the knife on the
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table, if we ask you to kill for us, which would kill, you know,
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which is your trigger finger.
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They would prick it, draw blood on it. There'd be a saint there.
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They'd burn a tissue in your cup, and he would say, like, I'm going to light
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it on fire, go light this, or repeat after me.
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And so when he lit it, he'd say, you know, if I ever betrayed this oath I'm
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about to take and go against the family, I'd forfeit my life.
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And then they explained a few rules, like there was no drug dealing, no counterfeit money.
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You say you forfeit your life if you mess with those two.
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You can't put your hands on another made guy. If we call you and your wife was,
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giving birth and you had to leave her headside, would you come?
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If we called her, would you come? Yes. Would you kill your brother if we ordered
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you? If we had to kill your own brother, would you kill your own brother?
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I don't have a brother. I'm assuming they mean maybe an old guy in that life. I'll be your brother.
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You say yes yes yes and um and
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then they it's all done and they get up and they kiss you
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on the cheek and they say hello friend because now you're a friend of
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ours and i know the other captains came over and kissed and we went out and
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mom had dinner afterwards and now i was direct with the new york bosses okay
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you know arty was the acting boss for those bosses that were there There was
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Mario Giganti, there was Larry Dentico,
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and then the other guys were in prison, the real heavy hitters.
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And so, yeah, I got made directly with them. Now I am the most powerful guy
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outside of New York because people have got to realize this.
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Even if Bruno doesn't get in trouble and Bruno stays the boss in Springfield,
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I got made. I'm direct with the bosses.
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Direct. Direct. I don't take orders from nobody but the bosses in New York.
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So if Bruno survived and nothing ever happened to him,
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then I'm still got more power than him. That's why I'm saying like nothing ever had to happen at Ruma.
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I mean, they were going to demote him for greedy purposes because Artie was
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greedy and they wanted to steal our money out of our area.
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Right. And bring it down there. And that's why he wanted, you know,
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guys like me around because I have to, I have to be loyal to him.
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If he gives me an order, I got to follow him.
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Right. Like one time he, he wanted me to shake my friend down,
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you know, the guy, Steve.
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Oh yes. And he wanted me to, you mentioned him right now. 10,000 from him.
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And I said, I'm not asking him for 10,000. He's my friend.
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And he goes, you got no friends. All your friends are here.
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And I paid the money myself. I was getting money out of the club anyways.
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So I paid it there, but I took it 10 times more from what I wasn't giving them.
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Like, you know, especially when I got made and actually after that, Bruno got killed.
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But i ended up the rackets went
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way up more for me because now i don't have to share
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what we're going on say the sports the lunch and the numbers
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things like that and i never gave up new york a penny of it so they got nothing
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from me you said in somewhere you said something like back in the day you guys
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used to send gifts and would be meat so it would be cheeses it would be wines
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it would be this fifty thousand dollars would go down to new york but you never
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gave there was never an exchange of money.
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Was it until Bruno when he would start, if there was 50 grand,
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he'd send 12 down to New York, right? Something like that.
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That's what it was. We never got involved in the extortions,
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like you asked before, until Bruno became boss.
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It started off with these two guys, Jimmy Santanello and Jimmy Fiore.
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The bosses said, get $500 from each of them.
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I was there when they said it and they told Bruno and they actually said,
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give it to the kids. It was me and Joey Brazil that were at the meeting.
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They said, give the 500 each to them. Right.
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And so that started, the floodgates opened up. So now Bruno started shaking down everybody.
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And we started bringing in like 50,000 a month. Right. And we were all involved.
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Like I said, the kid, Joey Brazil, we got to, we got to, we had so much law
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enforcement heat on us from doing all these shakedowns.
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You know, the, the, the, the guys that were getting shaked out were meeting
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with the state police, telling them exactly what was going on.
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So, you know, both Jimmies were talking to the cops, telling them that they're
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being shaken down and, and they mentioned all of our names.
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That's why I told you, like, how did these guys not get involved?
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There was me, there was Bruno, there was, uh, Felix Trangisi,
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John Bologna, Joey Bazille. Yeah.
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Then we were all collecting money for this extortion ring.
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You know what I'm saying? 100%. So out of that money, Bruno was sending 12 to
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15 a month down to New York.
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That's when payments started to get made going to New York. They never sent money down there.
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Like, you know the story with the band, with the goods and everything.
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That one found there, but not money.
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Now, Artie becomes acting boss now. Bruno doesn't notice. And he starts saying, whoa.
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And he's got this informant coming up. John Bologna that's telling them,
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you know, these guys are, these guys got an empire within an empire.
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These guys are like making millions of dollars a week over there.
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You got it. You're the boss.
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Why aren't you, you know, getting a piece of office? You're the boss.
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So when Jimmy Santanello that owns the Mardi Gras and 30 other businesses is
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with Anthony the label, John is telling Artie, no, he's with Anthony, but they're with you.
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So Jimmy, the golden goose is with
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you already so they're trying to steal all the the guys
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now and because now they see their money's coming
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down there and this is just from extortion this is
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just from extortion i mean that's nothing a million they were making millions
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of dollars a week with all of our rackets that we had going on because there
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was so many of us and so many associates just think of the sports gambling that's
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bringing um the loan shark and the numbers business the vending business you
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bring in 250 000 a weekend.
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A week and that was going on from the from the 60s
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70s you know right right right right so they see
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all this money coming in and they're trying to
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figure out a way now to get
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Bruno out of the way because Bruno was too sharp he
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had too many connections in New York and he had
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all the he had a big network of
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money sources coming in so if they get Bruno out
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of the way where they demote him and put him to a soldier right and
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they were going to put like this guy felix string easy as like
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the the boss like yeah yeah right
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just to throw heat on him and take it off of me right so now they put felix
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up to go to bruno now and they say bruno all your restaurants because they had
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the whole street all the restaurants on worthington street they had all the
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restaurants and bars and all the bruno's rackets now felix can go to him and
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bruno's got to report to him
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And then he's going to say, what do you got going on?
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And he goes, they, New York wants you to pay this. And now they're going to
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start getting money from Bruno. That's right.
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And anything else going on? Same thing with Anthony DeLable with all that stuff.
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They're going to start getting all the money. Right.
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And now it is, why should, you know, why should it go to New York? Right.
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It never went to New York. So when Bruno went down to ask that for that first
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$500 payments from the two Jimmies,
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well that opened up
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the floodgates and it ended up hurting him because
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now once they seen that they could you know get this type of money and it was
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going to new york now they're like oh if we can get this we can get a lot more
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yeah and now they see me with my crew but they don't forget like they never
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knew like i denied the marijuana stuff so they're like oh you're in the marijuana I don't sell marijuana.
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Now I'm dealing with death though because now I'm made with the powerful bosses in New York.
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If I get caught with marijuana, I'm done.
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If they told me, if I got caught with marijuana after I got made and they called
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me down to New York, I wasn't going to come kill me on the streets.
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You already know. You're not getting me to lure me down there.
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My best friend telling me, oh, they just want to talk to you.
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We're going to straighten it out. Yeah, right.
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I'm done. You're not getting me down there. Come kill me on the streets if you
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have to, but I'm not getting set up in some meeting somewhere.
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Just the no drugs. The mafia's always done that. Yep. They told me when I got
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made, you sell drugs, you forfeit your life.
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They always seem true to that. Yeah, no, but in New York, they're involved with
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the drugs and everything.
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They just break all the rules.
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It's too good for them to have to. Right. The Genovese family,
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though, was very strict on it because it was such a...
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It brings too much attention? Is that what it was? They don't know nothing about
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the marijuana, first of all, but they had so much power and money that they
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didn't need their bosses.
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They didn't squeeze their soldiers. like you see in the movies where you got to kick up, kick up.
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They were all wealthy. So they let their captains and soldiers eat.
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So they all had money and they had all the lucrative businesses to get them
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involved in stuff, earning money.
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So you didn't have to sell the drugs and that's why they, and they don't want
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to jeopardize what they had now.
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Because don't forget, we're making say, we got all of this and we're making
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millions of dollars off this to risk that and then risk all this when this is
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our bread and butter just for some drugs.
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So they would tell you they were strict when the Genovese family was strict
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when it came to the drugs.
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More so than all the others? Yeah. The other families, I was,
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listen, I was dealing drugs with the other families throughout the 90s and the
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Lucchese, the Bananos, the Gambinos.
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They were all dealing drugs with me. Is there pride being part of the Genovese family over others?
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Is there, when you talk to others, is it like, oh man, I'm part of the Gambino
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family or part of the Genovese family.
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Is there pride of that when you meet with other guys from other families
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or yeah so in the in the
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60s 70s 80s they were pretty much all equal you
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know like the gambinos and the genovese were considered the two most but they
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were all powerful families then it started just to be the gambinos and genovese
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throughout uh you know later on 80s 90s and now it's the genovese then the genovese
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took it like throughout the late 90s, 2000s. Yeah.
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And like I said, now they're not, it's not the same anymore.
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They're not killing. They're not, you know, the money isn't on the same on the streets.
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So they're all hanging in there and we're mostly doing the legitimate,
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you know, construction, garbage, concrete, you know, things on the level.
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But when I say that I'm made with the Genevieve's family, like when I'm in Boston
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and I'm sitting with Boston gangsters, like when Bruno used to go down to Boston,
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he was treated like a king. Like world. Because he's a Genovese mobster.
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See what I'm saying? So that holds weight. You know, when we go to Florida and
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he's a made guy with who's with the, you know, they call it the West Side.
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The Genovese is the cornerstone.
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Called the west side of New York. So that holds a lot of weight,
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you know, and in New York as well, you know, especially as the years went on,
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it was, it held a lot of weight.
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So, okay.
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I feel like Vlad TV. Okay. Let's talk about, let's talk about the end of Bruno.
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So like then, like it's time to get rid of them.
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New York has decided. Well, okay. So let's talk about that. So,
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Al Bruno, like we touched on it right now.
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He didn't know I was getting made. They were trying to squeeze him out.
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And what was going to happen? They were going to demote him.
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Soldier, right? That's it. Take him down.
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And he was going to get called down to New York. The week he got killed,
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the day he got killed, that week, he was going to go. They were going to call
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him. I gave him the message.
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But see, Bruno had surgery done to his eyes, so he had to stay home for about a week.
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You know, when you got that surgery done, well, you don't need the glasses and what?
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So I was, I told him the message. I said, Bruno, they're going to call you down to New York next week.
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And he was like, how do you know? That's when he told me you got your butt.
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Yeah. And so, you know, where were you? How did you go down there?
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Why didn't I get notified?
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You know, so they were calling him to go down there. And what they were going
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to tell him was you're getting, we're taking you down.
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You know, they were going to use the excuse. He drank it too much and whatever
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other excuse that they were going to use with him.
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You know it's just we're not comfortable with you and we're going to put felix up in that position.
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And that's what they were going to do and felix was just he's a dummy he doesn't
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know how to make any money and he's just going to be a lightning so everybody
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that knows that knows that right right right right right and so i'm going to
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be and that's what the genovese family is good at they hide insulate their bosses
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and everything yeah and then so felix is going to have to report,
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secretly to me but no one's going to know that so so
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bruno was going to get called down to new york and get told that now
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in the meantime as all this shit's going on and don't
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forget there's a lot of shit that happened you know we we were involved in another
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murder we're involved in shootings i'm involved in another murder conspiracies
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all this is going on when meaning brother-in-law yeah my brother-in-law killed
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okay got it yeah and so all this stuff is and murder conspiracies you know So like, you know,
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my best friend I grew up with, they told us to kill him prior to Bruno.
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And then, yeah. So what changed? Yeah. Luis Santos, they told us to kill him.
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And this was like, like I said, there's no friends in that life.
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You know, we're friends with him and now we're getting an order to kill him.
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And then he had the orders to kill him.
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So. That wraps up this episode of our mini series with Anthony Aralada.
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The next episode we'll be publishing tomorrow. So make sure you're following
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