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What happens when you let Enfante Rible, now just terrible, Daniel Nardigio, off his leash to say and do whatever he wants?
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The man who is offended everyone is back.
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Along with my brother from another mother, Adam Clinch, we're back with our latest creation, Trigger Warning, a podcast that is not for the faint of heart.
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Prepare to be offended, enlightened, and highly entertained.
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Trigger Warning is not a safe space podcast, but answers the questions no one wants to ask.
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Serves deep in vodka and a dash of bitter.
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Each week we'll bring you the highest and lowest in NYC nightlife.
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So buckle up, you've been warned.
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Oh, welcome back to Trigger Warning, uh, a very special uh episode and interview.
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Uh I am Adam Klesh.
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I'm here with my brother Daniel Nardicio.
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He's on a boat because he's coming back from Mexico.
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But I am here with my dear friend, Misha.
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I'm probably gonna butcher this.
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I don't say your last name a lot.
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Misha Fenhengel?
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Close.
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Close?
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Close.
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How do you say it?
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Fengene.
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Fenhengel.
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Okay.
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Wow.
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We are uh about to have a wonderful evening tonight.
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You are in from Berlin.
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You have brought some of uh your incredible artwork.
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Um Boris is gonna be spinning uh Thursday.
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We did an exhibition over at the Visitor Center, right?
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Right.
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Um and you are showing your work Noxt, which is um well, you explain it.
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It's um it's uh series of portraits I did in Berlin, circling around one specific club uh called Perkheim, where I'm working for close to 16 years now.
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Yeah.
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And I did this in 22, 23, I think the last picture was 24 because people kept asking.
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Uh it's it's about today you say diversity of the of the people going there.
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And it is, if you look at these images, it is as as you and I always laugh, you know, because you work at the door and you've been doing it for over 20 years and 16 years at Beargein, right?
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You you know what a what a gay man looks like, you know a queer person, you know, a straight woman.
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I mean, you and it's and it's not in this kind of like offensive way, it's just you have, as the people say, a gay dar for it.
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Because it's you've been doing it long enough, you know.
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And I look at some of these images, and and it's what people in the community would call there's a bear, there's somebody who we refer to as a dorkable, there's a hot woman, there's a femme guy, tattooed guy, pierced guys, and it's are these people you actually know?
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Did you ask them like to be part of the series?
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I I did a I did an Instagram story just uh saying that I wanted to do uh portrait series.
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But in the beginning, I never thought it become so big because I thought 30, maybe 50 if it goes really well.
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Yeah.
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But now I have 200 portraits.
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200 portraits?
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And I just we're only showing 18.
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You're showing 18, right?
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But you know, yeah.
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Um it's uh just a story where I said I want to do this portrait series, yeah, and people contacted me, and the ones are recognized as regulars.
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I'm not saying they had to be there like once a week.
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Yeah, once a year is enough.
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Others uh coming even less.
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When I thought, yes, I recognized you, I invited them to the studio.
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This is how I did the series.
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Because so these are the people that like make up Berlin nightlife for you.
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At this time it was those people, and this is why I said it's called diversity now.
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To me, it was normal.
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So I said, I want to, you know, yeah, picture this, I want to show this, I wanna get the outside world, get a feeling of what this is all about, not about uh certain type of people, it's uh for everybody.
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Yeah, not for everyone, but you know.
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And what's crazy to me is like we actually I met you at a gallery showing of some of your other work before I met you, right?
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Where I think most people know you from.
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Is that fair to say?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I mean, now now it's leveled out.
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Now, now you're pretty well known in the photography world, but like come on, like the doorman of Bergheim, like you know, you're the you're the great gatekeeper of nightlife, you know.
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People like, how do you get in?
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What do I have to wear?
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Like, you know.
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Yeah, unfortunately, this is part of it.
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Yeah.
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Although I do enjoy the night's working, not the explanations around that.
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I think, you know.
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Yeah, you enjoy your job, but then it's like, I guess it's the same thing for me.
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Like, I really enjoy designing, building nightclubs, working with my brother and my two amazing business partners, three really, if you include Kenny in Berlin, and like, but like sitting around when people are like, oh, so what's Friday night like?
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Yeah, well, what can you answer?
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Just come.
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Come.
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It's busy, it's great.
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We're we know what we're doing.
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You know, it's it's one of those things.
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So, like, have you always been in photography or is this something that always always I started as a teenager taking my first picture, a portrait, and was it illegal then?
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Nah it was for our listeners and watchers.
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Uh Misha's family emigrated from Moscow to Soviet East Berlin, right?
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Soviet East Berlin, yeah.
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But no, no, no, it was all was very legal.
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You couldn't even have a typewriter, right?
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Oh, we did some mechanical, you know.
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Yeah, yeah.
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No, but it was on the equipment of my father who didn't use it.
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Yeah.
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And my brother was born when I was 12, and I thought this is too beautiful.
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I have to I have to take a picture of this because I know the camera is there.
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Yeah.
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I know there are a lot of pictures from me, not so much from my second brother, and the third one wasn't pictured at all.
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Right.
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And I thought, okay, let me try.
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And my family very much supported me in that.
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They saw what I did and said, this is the path that could be the one for you.
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And since then I kept going, and this is how I became who I am today.
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Wow.
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That's I mean, what was your first subject?
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Do you remember like your first couple of images that you took?
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Like what was I it was always family and friends in the beginning because I was trying myself out.
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So portraits have always been a big thing.
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It's always people.
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This is the fun part about becoming uh a part of the door.
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Um as much as I like my colleague to take the spotlight, I am still part of this, but I love people.
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And can you imagine the you do it yourself, you see those happy people in your club, in your clubs?
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Yeah, and I see when they look at the portraits I do, it's the same.
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Yeah, it's a different connection because there is one very personal to the one I do a portrait of, and there are the connections I have to the people that I see leaving the club who are inside enjoying themselves.
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Right.
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But it's about the joy they have.
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Yeah, because you also have you also have other series, like I mean, I make no uh I'm not quiet about it.
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You have a series called Blurred that I just thank you, I think is so I don't know, you know, the different types of art speak to different types of people, you know?
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And I know several artists, you know, like Maplethorpe, but you know, there's a there's a bunch of different people that have series that speak differently.
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And I'm like, oh wow, that's really nice.
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That's my friend's work.
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I can tell, like I know their eye.
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Yeah.
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The blurred series that you do for some reason just maybe because my vision's normally blurry, so it like really speaks me.
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But you go to these iconic places in in Berlin, in Istanbul, in Moscow, the markets and whatnot.
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New York too.
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Yeah, in New York.
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Oh, the images you did in New York with 2022 when you were 22.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's just I'm gonna put the link right here, or Josh, our producer, is gonna put the link.
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I believe it's Misha.pictures.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So put the link, and then we'll put some look, this is blurred, and and here's one of the portraits.
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Josh will put all that in and post, it's great.
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Um, but it's you do this thing as well.
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I think your wife has flowers and you do bloom.
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We're showing some of bloom here actually in the gallery.
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Yeah.
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And you have such this distinct style.
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What made you start photographing like both nature and construction and people?
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Like, what's in your eye that because they're so different to me.
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I guess that's what I'm asking.
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They're so drastically different from somebody in a club to uh the TV Tower in Berlin.
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Absolutely.
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To um, oh, we're I'm gonna forget the name we were talking about.
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That beautiful flower that I love.
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The yellow one with the huge stamen on it.
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I I I'd be honest.
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We're gonna put the name right here, Josh.
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I asked my wife what the name is so.
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But I mean, what uh why such a different subject matter?
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How do you get there?
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Or do you just see beauty in it all?
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I just see beauty.
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This is I think the basis of all, you know.
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It's uh I I always enjoyed my life being at the door at on the weekends as especially, and then at in the week being myself as a photographer, and often often being by myself.
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And I thought showing the city the way I saw it, in a very beautiful way, was showing the world how I felt it.
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This is why I did the pictures.
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And the same goes with the flowers.
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I saw them at home, and I'd be honest, I didn't have any before my wife moved in, and then all of a sudden I saw this those flowers I didn't know the names of never saw before.
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You say it to me all the time that the female energy in your life, like having your wife, like it changed everything.
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It changed everything.
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It's uh it's the uh and it's funny because as your friend, I got to see it happen.
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Like you guys were obviously already together when you and I met, but when Lena became pregnant, yeah, and then when I watched you become a father, I remember like you telling me, like, oh my god, I think I was gonna be born, and I brought you like a little bag of like baby clothes.
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It was crazy.
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I had walked up to the door of Bearkhein so many times, and I'd seen my friend Misha.
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Hi, hi, we hug, we do shots.
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Your entire demeanor was different as somebody who is about to become a dad.
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Yeah, it changes something.
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And like I can tell how much you love being a dad.
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Like, it's crazy.
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It's you're it's it you were two different people from the person who wasn't a dad to the person who's a dad.
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I was a boy and became a man.
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That's the difference, I think.
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Female energy.
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Nah, it's it's the um it helps heterosexual men a lot to have this.
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And you all need a lot of help.
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So much.
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That's good.
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We're gonna take a quick break.
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Uh I'm gonna turn the air conditioner off because it's loud as fuck, and we'll be right back with uh me.
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You can hold a little piece of them, you can read some and the oasis gonna come, and there's a link to it right here.
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And there's a link to it right here, and we'll give you a little special detail.
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All right, you're back here at Trigger Warning.
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Uh, my name is Adam McClush.
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We're missing Daniel Nardicho because he's on a boat on his way here, and we're with my good friend Misha.
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All right, let's get into it.
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I'm sure people are interested.
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How does somebody uh from the Soviet Union uh end up working the door at gay bars for 20 years and then the I mean, if you're one of the cool people, in my opinion, you're you're working the door at the coolest place in the world.
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One of them.
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Yeah, one of them.
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There are many.
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I'm not gonna say it is the, but in my opinion, it's it's in the top two.
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It's in a yeah.
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I saw yesterday, uh I saw a very cool place.
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Yeah.
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We talked about it.
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Yeah, I mean, we're we're we're gonna get to your your vibes out here, but how do you I mean, how does how do you get there?
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How do you that's a very good question.
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I don't have an answer to.
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I was I always say I was born in a country that doesn't exist anymore.
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Right.
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Spend my youth in another one that doesn't exist anymore.
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And then realizing in my twenties, through my work at the door, what freedom is, right, especially at gay places, was an eye-opener.
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What a beautiful concept, you know?
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Yeah, and I I I love the story you told me.
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It was it might have been the was it the first gay club you were ever working in where people were dancing and there were some there were some complaints on the dance floor.
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It was one of the first, yeah.
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All in white.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, so everyone's in white.
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I'm gonna paint the picture for for the viewers.
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So everyone's in white.
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Even the bouncers, even the even the bouncers, you're everybody.
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I've never seen a bouncer wear like all white.
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So it was like a your classic white party.
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The promoter's like, Yeah, we had like white sticks.
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White shirts, white slacks, goggles, uh, and though you remember Nike Sharks.
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Yeah, they're popular again, the NZ model it's called in white.
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Oh, you're also big into fashion.
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I forget this all the time.
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Like I'm not big into fashion.
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I wouldn't know the model of Nike sneakers or pants, though.
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Some people know.
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Okay, so picture this.
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Everyone's in white.
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There's a complaint that people are getting a little too frisky on the dance floor, and they send Misha in.
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And I come to the door and see somebody kneeling on the floor with his arm inside his friend's ass, and I approach them saying, guys, it's good that you enjoy yourself, but could you do it somewhere?
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Somewhere else.
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And the thing is that they said, Of course, and went.
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Well, the one guy carried the other guy.
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Don't remember that part.
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I just know everybody's enjoying themselves.
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Like on a level that we don't yuck anyone's yum, right?
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Everyone has a different way of having fun.
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And please do.
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We you yeah, you and I talked about this, like, even in even in that, you know, in Bearkine, like some people just sit in panel and and talk with their friends the entire time.
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That's what they come for.
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Some people are high as hell in the middle of the bearkine dance floor.
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Absolutely.
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Some people are in the dark room, some people are in the lab, and it's everyone is there as a tribe.
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It's yeah, it's like a little village of freedom.
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Everybody can do one to one.
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And we talked about how, like, even in in our club, the Ice Palace, here, like, there are some people that are exulting in the enjoyment, and there are some people that are healing in the enjoyment.
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There's some people that are running a little bit from something and they just need a break.
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You know, it's this beautiful way of how everyone it's like therapy.
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Everyone gets to do their therapy different.
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Some people cry, some people laugh, some people, you know.
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And you know, we talked about why this party is going for, I think it's 20, 32 hours.
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Yeah, 30 yeah.
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Did the question was why does it have to go so long?
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Because we see other parties that are going for six, eight, ten, which is enough.
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Yeah.
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But like you just put it, maybe that is the answer that people need the therapy.
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Some need the therapy for a little bit longer.
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Because you close the door in the cache at like what 2 a.m.?
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Something like that.
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Like there's no like entry one or two, something like that.
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But there are people who come at like 12 45.
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Yeah.
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And they're just there for that little six or seven hour window.
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Absolutely.
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Some people for the football.
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Some people that come at 12.01 on Saturday and stay until Monday.
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But that's that's again some need uh empty space in the beginning, others need the completely meshed up place at the end.
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Do you do you struggle with the the public notoriety that's been gained?
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Because you and I talk about how the club has changed and it's gone up and down, and like I remember, I can remember in 2008, it was like it must have been October, November.
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I had just moved to Berlin and I was sitting at my friend's bar, and he goes, What are you doing here?
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And I was like, Oh, just hanging out, having a drink.
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And he goes, and I look around, I was like, why am I the only person here?
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It was a gay bar.
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And he goes, Everyone's at snacks.
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And I was like, snacks.
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I mean, I had I had never heard of it.
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Like, it was still so very underground.
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It was very much a Berlin thing, a tight European thing.
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I mean, it was the place still, yeah, but like, I don't know.
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People weren't flying from New York or San Francisco to come.
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It was still very much this this dark special thing.
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Now, you know, you have people that that make vacation plans about like, oh, we're going to be I'm flying to Berlin to go to Bearkine.
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Yeah.
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And they're planning like two weekends, so they start on a Friday, Saturday.
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Yeah.
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And they go ten days later, they go back home.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I had I had others coming from Australia and planning their whole vacation.
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Yeah, but can you imagine how important that must be?
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That they saw something they have to repeat again.
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Something happens there that they're like, I I gotta get in.
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So you don't see it as a bad thing, all the public notoriety.
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I'm sure it has its good and its bads, right?
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I think so.
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I think so.
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It's um there are a lot of it helps change global culture, but then it also becomes uh a tourist attraction, right?
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So it's this it is it is a tourist attraction, no question.
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But as I know that this place is inspiring others to open similar places, I think this is what it Yeah, I think I think you're right there.
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Like you you you can see uh here's a fun little German word Zeitgeist.
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You can see it in the zeitgeist that that what goes on there or has gone on there has bled a little bit into the I think so um into the zeitgeist that other people that are doing parties are trying to do it in that vein.
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Right and it's it's nice, and it's like and let the gays lead the way as they always did.
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I love how much of an ally and supporter you are.
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You're never afraid to tell people.
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Let's be honest.
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You've told me like it's a blessing working in the gay community.
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Absolutely.
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It's um if if I remember how I went out the first time in my, you know, I was 18, 19 in my early 20s, right?
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Hip hop dance hall and stuff.
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Yeah, you can imagine how it was, right?
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Okay.
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And then at one point I in my early twenties, I thought this is not what you want to do in a week.
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Especially because the wall was still up, so you're like no no wait.
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This this was uh I was 13 when the wall came down.
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Oh, okay.
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So I thought and and I was going out in East Berlin, West Berlin, doesn't didn't matter, right?
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Yeah.
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And sometimes but with heterosexuals at a hip hop club, it's the most not much has changed, I can tell you.
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Yeah, that's I'm not going out to this uh anymore.
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Yeah.
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What I'm saying is when you realize how unpleasant all this is, and then friends brought me to techno clubs, and I started going out, and I realized also through my work, I understood that there's a different vibe going going on, right?
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And uh I always tell the story how it's a Homer, you know?
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Yeah it's it's about being together and enjoying yourself.
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And I always tell the story how I was uh I was working and somebody approached me saying you are heterosexual, are you and I said, Yeah.
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And he said, Don't tell anyone.
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No, he said, Oh, too bad.
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And went his way, and I was just he he thought he could get a little taste.
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You know, it it's just you you're like one of you're like one of my straight friends that like if it were true that homosexuality were a choice, you'd make the choice.
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I'd make the choice.
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But but um instead you have a wonderful, sexy, hot wife.
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I I I'm I'm very happy.
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Your daughter is beautiful, she's like the thank you.
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She's the she's the perfect combination of both of you.
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That's she literally looks like both of you, and she's like, and she's she has two great parents.
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Like you guys are so much fun.
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Like, and it's also she's always smiling and happy, and like you can tell there's a lot of love in the house.
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There's a lot of love in the house, and we also show her how the world can be, and I can't.
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That's the important thing.
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You're not you're not raising an asshole.
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And we try to you're raising a beautiful person who can.
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I remember we were sitting down, uh, we were having, was it last week we were having lunch in Berlin?
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Two weeks ago.
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I can't remember.
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I I'm in Berlin a lot.
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A couple a couple of days ago.
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But we were sitting there with your daughter, and um uh you were telling her what I do for a living, and you were like, I don't even know how to describe it.
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And I was like, uh event producer, just say that, or you know, and you were basically telling her that like you can do anything in your life, which is so beautiful, you know?
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It's it's if you talk to your children, to your younger siblings, to whoever is about to find their path, and they have this whatever fireman and uh you know lawyer, doctor, you know, whatever.
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Or working at the cash desk, no anything.
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And then you can tell them through your friends what is possible.
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It's it's it's m must be crazy to.
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To let them know, do whatever.
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And instead of do school, do university.
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No.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Find your way.
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I can't imagine.
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Like, I was at least fortunate enough that I'm not even sure who it was, whether it was my grandfather or my dad or even my brother or whatever, but somebody drilled it into me very, very young that you'll never work a day in your life if you enjoy what you're doing.
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And it was never, it was never be a doctor and enjoy it, or you know, uh be a lawyer, make a lot of money, enjoy it.
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It was just my my inner compass or barometer was always based on um, do I feel like I'm working?
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And then I found this, whatever it is that I do in the gay community.
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And it's I wake up every day and sometimes it's designing a nightclub, sometimes it's new lights, new sounds, sometimes it's a party or a flyer or or a podcast, or you know, or yeah, you're fortunate.
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My my father was the other way around.
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Go to school, go to university, and I was I was unhappy.
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I was like, Thank God you're a rebel.
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Yeah, in a way, I I but it took me a long time to get there where I am.
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Yeah.
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But I'm so thankful that I arrived where I should be.
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Yeah.
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Where I feel like you said, it's not work.
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Yeah.
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All right, so one last thing before we get to the the closing of the show.
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What is do you have your focus somewhere for your next project?
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It's it's a portrait project again, because I thought there's one issue I'm dealing with.
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I have a mother from the Soviet Union and a German father.
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And in my teenage years I had to explain to people that I feel German.
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Why why are you Was your dad East German?
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West German?
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Very East German.
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Very East German.
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Yeah.
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And now I can see how the right is taking over with phrases in Germany.
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The uh elections in September everybody's afraid of.
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And I'm thinking if I look around, my friends.
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For our listeners, that's the RF Day, alternative for Deutschland.
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And they are uh households for Deutschland, excellent.
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Yeah, but they're basically like our Democrats, so it's it's much worse here.
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Yeah, what that's I don't know.
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Yeah, yeah.
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They hate gays, they're racists, you know.
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They they want it to be 1930 again.
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Yeah, and they were thinking about uh sending people back who are not born born in Germany and who have even the ones who have parents that are not born in Germany.
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You think about that, right?
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And I think w when I see my country, the one I was raised in, I see a beautiful place with people from all over, you know.
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And that's why it's beautiful, you know.
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I think so.
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I think so.
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There there are numbers saying uh a quarter of everybody in Germany's got uh migrant parents, or is himself a migrant.
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Correct, yeah.
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And this is what my next my next project is about the beauty of Germany and its people.
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Like the the the quilt of different people that make Germany.
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Absolutely.
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Isn't it wonderful?
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I think so.
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I I I just want to show how beautiful I think the uh Germany is without uh talking about cars, you know Mercedes Audiing, like it's actually wonderful.
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Don't talk about World War II and don't talk about Mercedes.
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There's actually more things that are beautiful.
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And the people are beautiful.
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I've some of my favorite people that I've kept so close to me in the last 15 years are are from Germany, you know, yourself included.
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I lived at you know, Tima, like I absolutely something about that beautiful country, and of course, Berlin is wonderful and it's amazing.
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And it just like New York, when you step outside of the city, sure, there's a different, you know, it's not that not all of Germany is Berlin and not all of the United States is New York.
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That's true, but there's so many beautiful places like going up towards the Baltics and you know, into the south, the German part of like uh Basel and what I mean, all of that is so beautiful, you know.
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It is, and this is my story that you as a person can choose your home.
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You don't have to be born there, you can be part of the culture because it's your culture, you can make it your culture, you don't have to be uh native to a country to represent it to its fullest, I think.
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All right, well, the time has come.
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Uh the show is called Trigger Warning.
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Um, do you have something that triggers you?
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I have something I can start if you start please.
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Okay.
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Um this happened recently, and I see it a lot.
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Maybe I see it in the summer more because the heat irritates people, or I don't know, people decide this is the time to adopt.
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Um, if you're trying to train a new dog, um like putting all your force behind the leash and like ripping at the dog's neck is not the way to train an animal.
00:26:36.559 --> 00:26:40.640
Uh, if you're going to have an animal, uh love and compassion is helpful.
00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:43.119
Um, adopt, don't shop, first of all.
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But like as much as you're trying to teach the dog, we now live in 2026.
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So you can go on YouTube and you can learn how to train a dog, you can read books on how to train a dog.
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Uh, if you're gonna own a dog, you should probably have some disposable income and maybe take the dog to an obedience course.
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Um, but treating the dog like a farm animal with a spiked collar leash is uh it's not cool.
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It's not cool anymore.
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It pisses me off, it triggers me.
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And I now have no problem when I see people like yelling at their dog or like, come and stay here, heal.
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I'm like, hey, stop being a fucking dick.
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It's just an animal and it doesn't speak English.
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That's my trigger.
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Do you have something that triggers you?
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There's some, but in in general, I would say if you feel in power and um don't behave humanly to minorities, and I uh how how can I put it better?
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I'm uh I'm saying I'm not the smallest guy, yeah, and I always thought when I go somewhere, it shouldn't matter.
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Right.
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Because there's the the people who can't express themselves physically, they also need a place.
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They also need a and we need to listen to them because this is what started for me in school.
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You're absolutely correct.
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That's a it's a good trigger.
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If you're in a position of power, don't be a fucking dick.
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Don't be a fucking dick.
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Everyone should have a place to go.
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Yeah.
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The dorks, people of color, gays, queers, everybody, straight men.
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I mean, you have enough places to go, but everybody should have a place to go.
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Thank you.
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All right, my friend, I love you so much.
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Love you.
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Thank you for doing this.
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Um, I hope you have just enjoyed Fire Island so much.
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I'm excited for you to spend time in the city with your family.
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Thank you.
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Um, I love you.
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Thanks for doing this.
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Love you.
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Thank you.
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We'll see you later at Trigger Warning.
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Oh, welcome back to Trigger Warning, uh, a very special uh episode and interview.
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Uh I am Adam Klesh.
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I'm here with my brother Daniel Nardicio.
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He's on a boat because he's coming back from Mexico.
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But I am here with my dear friend, Misha.
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I'm probably gonna butcher this.
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I don't say your last name a lot.
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Misha Fenhengel?
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Close.
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Close?
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Close.
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How do you say it?
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Fengene.
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Fenhengel.
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Okay.
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Wow.
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We are uh about to have a wonderful evening tonight.
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You are in from Berlin.
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You have brought some of uh your incredible artwork.
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Um Boris is gonna be spinning uh Thursday.
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We did an exhibition over at the Visitor Center, right?
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Right.
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Um and you are showing your work Noxt, which is um well, you explain it.
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It's um it's uh series of portraits I did in Berlin, circling around one specific club uh called Perkheim, where I'm working for close to 16 years now.
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Yeah.
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And I did this in 22, 23, I think the last picture was 24 because people kept asking.
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Uh it's it's about today you say diversity of the of the people going there.
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And it is, if you look at these images, it is as as you and I always laugh, you know, because you work at the door and you've been doing it for over 20 years and 16 years at Beargein, right?
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You you know what a what a gay man looks like, you know a queer person, you know, a straight woman.
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I mean, you and it's and it's not in this kind of like offensive way, it's just you have, as the people say, a gay dar for it.
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Because it's you've been doing it long enough, you know.
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And I look at some of these images, and and it's what people in the community would call there's a bear, there's somebody who we refer to as a dorkable, there's a hot woman, there's a femme guy, tattooed guy, pierced guys, and it's are these people you actually know?
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Did you ask them like to be part of the series?
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I I did a I did an Instagram story just uh saying that I wanted to do uh portrait series.
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But in the beginning, I never thought it become so big because I thought 30, maybe 50 if it goes really well.
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Yeah.
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But now I have 200 portraits.
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200 portraits?
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And I just we're only showing 18.
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You're showing 18, right?
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But you know, yeah.
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Um it's uh just a story where I said I want to do this portrait series, yeah, and people contacted me, and the ones are recognized as regulars.
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I'm not saying they had to be there like once a week.
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Yeah, once a year is enough.
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Others uh coming even less.
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When I thought, yes, I recognized you, I invited them to the studio.
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This is how I did the series.
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Because so these are the people that like make up Berlin nightlife for you.
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At this time it was those people, and this is why I said it's called diversity now.
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To me, it was normal.
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So I said, I want to, you know, yeah, picture this, I want to show this, I wanna get the outside world, get a feeling of what this is all about, not about uh certain type of people, it's uh for everybody.
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Yeah, not for everyone, but you know.
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And what's crazy to me is like we actually I met you at a gallery showing of some of your other work before I met you, right?
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Where I think most people know you from.
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Is that fair to say?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I mean, now now it's leveled out.
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Now, now you're pretty well known in the photography world, but like come on, like the doorman of Bergheim, like you know, you're the you're the great gatekeeper of nightlife, you know.
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People like, how do you get in?
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What do I have to wear?
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Like, you know.
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Yeah, unfortunately, this is part of it.
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Yeah.
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Although I do enjoy the night's working, not the explanations around that.
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I think, you know.
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Yeah, you enjoy your job, but then it's like, I guess it's the same thing for me.
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Like, I really enjoy designing, building nightclubs, working with my brother and my two amazing business partners, three really, if you include Kenny in Berlin, and like, but like sitting around when people are like, oh, so what's Friday night like?
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Yeah, well, what can you answer?
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Just come.
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Come.
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It's busy, it's great.
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We're we know what we're doing.
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You know, it's it's one of those things.
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So, like, have you always been in photography or is this something that always always I started as a teenager taking my first picture, a portrait, and was it illegal then?
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Nah it was for our listeners and watchers.
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Uh Misha's family emigrated from Moscow to Soviet East Berlin, right?
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Soviet East Berlin, yeah.
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But no, no, no, it was all was very legal.
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You couldn't even have a typewriter, right?
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Oh, we did some mechanical, you know.
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Yeah, yeah.
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No, but it was on the equipment of my father who didn't use it.
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Yeah.
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And my brother was born when I was 12, and I thought this is too beautiful.
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I have to I have to take a picture of this because I know the camera is there.
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Yeah.
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I know there are a lot of pictures from me, not so much from my second brother, and the third one wasn't pictured at all.
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Right.
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And I thought, okay, let me try.
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And my family very much supported me in that.
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They saw what I did and said, this is the path that could be the one for you.
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And since then I kept going, and this is how I became who I am today.
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Wow.
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That's I mean, what was your first subject?
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Do you remember like your first couple of images that you took?
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Like what was I it was always family and friends in the beginning because I was trying myself out.
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So portraits have always been a big thing.
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It's always people.
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This is the fun part about becoming uh a part of the door.
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Um as much as I like my colleague to take the spotlight, I am still part of this, but I love people.
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And can you imagine the you do it yourself, you see those happy people in your club, in your clubs?
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Yeah, and I see when they look at the portraits I do, it's the same.
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Yeah, it's a different connection because there is one very personal to the one I do a portrait of, and there are the connections I have to the people that I see leaving the club who are inside enjoying themselves.
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Right.
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But it's about the joy they have.
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Yeah, because you also have you also have other series, like I mean, I make no uh I'm not quiet about it.
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You have a series called Blurred that I just thank you, I think is so I don't know, you know, the different types of art speak to different types of people, you know?
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And I know several artists, you know, like Maplethorpe, but you know, there's a there's a bunch of different people that have series that speak differently.
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And I'm like, oh wow, that's really nice.
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That's my friend's work.
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I can tell, like I know their eye.
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Yeah.
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The blurred series that you do for some reason just maybe because my vision's normally blurry, so it like really speaks me.
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But you go to these iconic places in in Berlin, in Istanbul, in Moscow, the markets and whatnot.
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New York too.
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Yeah, in New York.
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Oh, the images you did in New York with 2022 when you were 22.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's just I'm gonna put the link right here, or Josh, our producer, is gonna put the link.
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I believe it's Misha.pictures.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So put the link, and then we'll put some look, this is blurred, and and here's one of the portraits.
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Josh will put all that in and post, it's great.
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Um, but it's you do this thing as well.
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I think your wife has flowers and you do bloom.
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We're showing some of bloom here actually in the gallery.
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Yeah.
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And you have such this distinct style.
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What made you start photographing like both nature and construction and people?
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Like, what's in your eye that because they're so different to me.
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I guess that's what I'm asking.
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They're so drastically different from somebody in a club to uh the TV Tower in Berlin.
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Absolutely.
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To um, oh, we're I'm gonna forget the name we were talking about.
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That beautiful flower that I love.
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The yellow one with the huge stamen on it.
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I I I'd be honest.
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We're gonna put the name right here, Josh.
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I asked my wife what the name is so.
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But I mean, what uh why such a different subject matter?
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How do you get there?
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Or do you just see beauty in it all?
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I just see beauty.
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This is I think the basis of all, you know.
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It's uh I I always enjoyed my life being at the door at on the weekends as especially, and then at in the week being myself as a photographer, and often often being by myself.
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And I thought showing the city the way I saw it, in a very beautiful way, was showing the world how I felt it.
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This is why I did the pictures.
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And the same goes with the flowers.
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I saw them at home, and I'd be honest, I didn't have any before my wife moved in, and then all of a sudden I saw this those flowers I didn't know the names of never saw before.
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You say it to me all the time that the female energy in your life, like having your wife, like it changed everything.
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It changed everything.
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It's uh it's the uh and it's funny because as your friend, I got to see it happen.
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Like you guys were obviously already together when you and I met, but when Lena became pregnant, yeah, and then when I watched you become a father, I remember like you telling me, like, oh my god, I think I was gonna be born, and I brought you like a little bag of like baby clothes.
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It was crazy.
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I had walked up to the door of Bearkhein so many times, and I'd seen my friend Misha.
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Hi, hi, we hug, we do shots.
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Your entire demeanor was different as somebody who is about to become a dad.
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Yeah, it changes something.
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And like I can tell how much you love being a dad.
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Like, it's crazy.
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It's you're it's it you were two different people from the person who wasn't a dad to the person who's a dad.
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I was a boy and became a man.
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That's the difference, I think.
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Female energy.
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Nah, it's it's the um it helps heterosexual men a lot to have this.
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And you all need a lot of help.
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So much.
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That's good.
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We're gonna take a quick break.
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Uh I'm gonna turn the air conditioner off because it's loud as fuck, and we'll be right back with uh me.
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You can hold a little piece of them, you can read some and the oasis gonna come, and there's a link to it right here.
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And there's a link to it right here, and we'll give you a little special detail.
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All right, you're back here at Trigger Warning.
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Uh, my name is Adam McClush.
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We're missing Daniel Nardicho because he's on a boat on his way here, and we're with my good friend Misha.
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All right, let's get into it.
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I'm sure people are interested.
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How does somebody uh from the Soviet Union uh end up working the door at gay bars for 20 years and then the I mean, if you're one of the cool people, in my opinion, you're you're working the door at the coolest place in the world.
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One of them.
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Yeah, one of them.
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There are many.
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I'm not gonna say it is the, but in my opinion, it's it's in the top two.
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It's in a yeah.
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I saw yesterday, uh I saw a very cool place.
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Yeah.
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We talked about it.
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Yeah, I mean, we're we're we're gonna get to your your vibes out here, but how do you I mean, how does how do you get there?
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How do you that's a very good question.
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I don't have an answer to.
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I was I always say I was born in a country that doesn't exist anymore.
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Right.
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Spend my youth in another one that doesn't exist anymore.
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And then realizing in my twenties, through my work at the door, what freedom is, right, especially at gay places, was an eye-opener.
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What a beautiful concept, you know?
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Yeah, and I I I love the story you told me.
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It was it might have been the was it the first gay club you were ever working in where people were dancing and there were some there were some complaints on the dance floor.
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It was one of the first, yeah.
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All in white.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, so everyone's in white.
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I'm gonna paint the picture for for the viewers.
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So everyone's in white.
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Even the bouncers, even the even the bouncers, you're everybody.
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I've never seen a bouncer wear like all white.
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So it was like a your classic white party.
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The promoter's like, Yeah, we had like white sticks.
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White shirts, white slacks, goggles, uh, and though you remember Nike Sharks.
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Yeah, they're popular again, the NZ model it's called in white.
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Oh, you're also big into fashion.
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I forget this all the time.
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Like I'm not big into fashion.
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I wouldn't know the model of Nike sneakers or pants, though.
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Some people know.
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Okay, so picture this.
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Everyone's in white.
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There's a complaint that people are getting a little too frisky on the dance floor, and they send Misha in.
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And I come to the door and see somebody kneeling on the floor with his arm inside his friend's ass, and I approach them saying, guys, it's good that you enjoy yourself, but could you do it somewhere?
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Somewhere else.
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And the thing is that they said, Of course, and went.
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Well, the one guy carried the other guy.
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Don't remember that part.
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I just know everybody's enjoying themselves.
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Like on a level that we don't yuck anyone's yum, right?
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Everyone has a different way of having fun.
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And please do.
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We you yeah, you and I talked about this, like, even in even in that, you know, in Bearkine, like some people just sit in panel and and talk with their friends the entire time.
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That's what they come for.
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Some people are high as hell in the middle of the bearkine dance floor.
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Absolutely.
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Some people are in the dark room, some people are in the lab, and it's everyone is there as a tribe.
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It's yeah, it's like a little village of freedom.
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Everybody can do one to one.
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And we talked about how, like, even in in our club, the Ice Palace, here, like, there are some people that are exulting in the enjoyment, and there are some people that are healing in the enjoyment.
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There's some people that are running a little bit from something and they just need a break.
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You know, it's this beautiful way of how everyone it's like therapy.
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Everyone gets to do their therapy different.
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Some people cry, some people laugh, some people, you know.
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And you know, we talked about why this party is going for, I think it's 20, 32 hours.
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Yeah, 30 yeah.
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Did the question was why does it have to go so long?
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Because we see other parties that are going for six, eight, ten, which is enough.
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Yeah.
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But like you just put it, maybe that is the answer that people need the therapy.
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Some need the therapy for a little bit longer.
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Because you close the door in the cache at like what 2 a.m.?
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Something like that.
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Like there's no like entry one or two, something like that.
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But there are people who come at like 12 45.
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Yeah.
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And they're just there for that little six or seven hour window.
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Absolutely.
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Some people for the football.
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Some people that come at 12.01 on Saturday and stay until Monday.
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But that's that's again some need uh empty space in the beginning, others need the completely meshed up place at the end.
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Do you do you struggle with the the public notoriety that's been gained?
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Because you and I talk about how the club has changed and it's gone up and down, and like I remember, I can remember in 2008, it was like it must have been October, November.
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I had just moved to Berlin and I was sitting at my friend's bar, and he goes, What are you doing here?
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And I was like, Oh, just hanging out, having a drink.
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And he goes, and I look around, I was like, why am I the only person here?
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It was a gay bar.
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And he goes, Everyone's at snacks.
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And I was like, snacks.
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I mean, I had I had never heard of it.
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Like, it was still so very underground.
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It was very much a Berlin thing, a tight European thing.
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I mean, it was the place still, yeah, but like, I don't know.
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People weren't flying from New York or San Francisco to come.
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It was still very much this this dark special thing.
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Now, you know, you have people that that make vacation plans about like, oh, we're going to be I'm flying to Berlin to go to Bearkine.
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Yeah.
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And they're planning like two weekends, so they start on a Friday, Saturday.
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Yeah.
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And they go ten days later, they go back home.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I had I had others coming from Australia and planning their whole vacation.
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Yeah, but can you imagine how important that must be?
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That they saw something they have to repeat again.
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Something happens there that they're like, I I gotta get in.
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So you don't see it as a bad thing, all the public notoriety.
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I'm sure it has its good and its bads, right?
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I think so.
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I think so.
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It's um there are a lot of it helps change global culture, but then it also becomes uh a tourist attraction, right?
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So it's this it is it is a tourist attraction, no question.
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But as I know that this place is inspiring others to open similar places, I think this is what it Yeah, I think I think you're right there.
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Like you you you can see uh here's a fun little German word Zeitgeist.
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You can see it in the zeitgeist that that what goes on there or has gone on there has bled a little bit into the I think so um into the zeitgeist that other people that are doing parties are trying to do it in that vein.
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Right and it's it's nice, and it's like and let the gays lead the way as they always did.
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I love how much of an ally and supporter you are.
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You're never afraid to tell people.
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Let's be honest.
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You've told me like it's a blessing working in the gay community.
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Absolutely.
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It's um if if I remember how I went out the first time in my, you know, I was 18, 19 in my early 20s, right?
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Hip hop dance hall and stuff.
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Yeah, you can imagine how it was, right?
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Okay.
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And then at one point I in my early twenties, I thought this is not what you want to do in a week.
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Especially because the wall was still up, so you're like no no wait.
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This this was uh I was 13 when the wall came down.
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Oh, okay.
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So I thought and and I was going out in East Berlin, West Berlin, doesn't didn't matter, right?
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Yeah.
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And sometimes but with heterosexuals at a hip hop club, it's the most not much has changed, I can tell you.
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Yeah, that's I'm not going out to this uh anymore.
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Yeah.
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What I'm saying is when you realize how unpleasant all this is, and then friends brought me to techno clubs, and I started going out, and I realized also through my work, I understood that there's a different vibe going going on, right?
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And uh I always tell the story how it's a Homer, you know?
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Yeah it's it's about being together and enjoying yourself.
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And I always tell the story how I was uh I was working and somebody approached me saying you are heterosexual, are you and I said, Yeah.
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And he said, Don't tell anyone.
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No, he said, Oh, too bad.
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And went his way, and I was just he he thought he could get a little taste.
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You know, it it's just you you're like one of you're like one of my straight friends that like if it were true that homosexuality were a choice, you'd make the choice.
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I'd make the choice.
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But but um instead you have a wonderful, sexy, hot wife.
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I I I'm I'm very happy.
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Your daughter is beautiful, she's like the thank you.
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She's the she's the perfect combination of both of you.
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That's she literally looks like both of you, and she's like, and she's she has two great parents.
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Like you guys are so much fun.
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Like, and it's also she's always smiling and happy, and like you can tell there's a lot of love in the house.
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There's a lot of love in the house, and we also show her how the world can be, and I can't.
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That's the important thing.
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You're not you're not raising an asshole.
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And we try to you're raising a beautiful person who can.
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I remember we were sitting down, uh, we were having, was it last week we were having lunch in Berlin?
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Two weeks ago.
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I can't remember.
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I I'm in Berlin a lot.
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A couple a couple of days ago.
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But we were sitting there with your daughter, and um uh you were telling her what I do for a living, and you were like, I don't even know how to describe it.
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And I was like, uh event producer, just say that, or you know, and you were basically telling her that like you can do anything in your life, which is so beautiful, you know?
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It's it's if you talk to your children, to your younger siblings, to whoever is about to find their path, and they have this whatever fireman and uh you know lawyer, doctor, you know, whatever.
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Or working at the cash desk, no anything.
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And then you can tell them through your friends what is possible.
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It's it's it's m must be crazy to.
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To let them know, do whatever.
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And instead of do school, do university.
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No.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Find your way.
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I can't imagine.
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Like, I was at least fortunate enough that I'm not even sure who it was, whether it was my grandfather or my dad or even my brother or whatever, but somebody drilled it into me very, very young that you'll never work a day in your life if you enjoy what you're doing.
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And it was never, it was never be a doctor and enjoy it, or you know, uh be a lawyer, make a lot of money, enjoy it.
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It was just my my inner compass or barometer was always based on um, do I feel like I'm working?
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And then I found this, whatever it is that I do in the gay community.
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And it's I wake up every day and sometimes it's designing a nightclub, sometimes it's new lights, new sounds, sometimes it's a party or a flyer or or a podcast, or you know, or yeah, you're fortunate.
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My my father was the other way around.
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Go to school, go to university, and I was I was unhappy.
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I was like, Thank God you're a rebel.
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Yeah, in a way, I I but it took me a long time to get there where I am.
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Yeah.
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But I'm so thankful that I arrived where I should be.
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Yeah.
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Where I feel like you said, it's not work.
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Yeah.
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All right, so one last thing before we get to the the closing of the show.
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What is do you have your focus somewhere for your next project?
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It's it's a portrait project again, because I thought there's one issue I'm dealing with.
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I have a mother from the Soviet Union and a German father.
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And in my teenage years I had to explain to people that I feel German.
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Why why are you Was your dad East German?
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West German?
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Very East German.
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Very East German.
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Yeah.
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And now I can see how the right is taking over with phrases in Germany.
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The uh elections in September everybody's afraid of.
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And I'm thinking if I look around, my friends.
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For our listeners, that's the RF Day, alternative for Deutschland.
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And they are uh households for Deutschland, excellent.
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Yeah, but they're basically like our Democrats, so it's it's much worse here.
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Yeah, what that's I don't know.
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Yeah, yeah.
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They hate gays, they're racists, you know.
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They they want it to be 1930 again.
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Yeah, and they were thinking about uh sending people back who are not born born in Germany and who have even the ones who have parents that are not born in Germany.
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You think about that, right?
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And I think w when I see my country, the one I was raised in, I see a beautiful place with people from all over, you know.
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And that's why it's beautiful, you know.
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I think so.
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I think so.
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There there are numbers saying uh a quarter of everybody in Germany's got uh migrant parents, or is himself a migrant.
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Correct, yeah.
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And this is what my next my next project is about the beauty of Germany and its people.
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Like the the the quilt of different people that make Germany.
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Absolutely.
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Isn't it wonderful?
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I think so.
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I I I just want to show how beautiful I think the uh Germany is without uh talking about cars, you know Mercedes Audiing, like it's actually wonderful.
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Don't talk about World War II and don't talk about Mercedes.
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There's actually more things that are beautiful.
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And the people are beautiful.
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I've some of my favorite people that I've kept so close to me in the last 15 years are are from Germany, you know, yourself included.
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I lived at you know, Tima, like I absolutely something about that beautiful country, and of course, Berlin is wonderful and it's amazing.
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And it just like New York, when you step outside of the city, sure, there's a different, you know, it's not that not all of Germany is Berlin and not all of the United States is New York.
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That's true, but there's so many beautiful places like going up towards the Baltics and you know, into the south, the German part of like uh Basel and what I mean, all of that is so beautiful, you know.
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It is, and this is my story that you as a person can choose your home.
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You don't have to be born there, you can be part of the culture because it's your culture, you can make it your culture, you don't have to be uh native to a country to represent it to its fullest, I think.
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All right, well, the time has come.
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Uh the show is called Trigger Warning.
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Um, do you have something that triggers you?
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I have something I can start if you start please.
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Okay.
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Um this happened recently, and I see it a lot.
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Maybe I see it in the summer more because the heat irritates people, or I don't know, people decide this is the time to adopt.
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Um, if you're trying to train a new dog, um like putting all your force behind the leash and like ripping at the dog's neck is not the way to train an animal.
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Uh, if you're going to have an animal, uh love and compassion is helpful.
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Um, adopt, don't shop, first of all.
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But like as much as you're trying to teach the dog, we now live in 2026.
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So you can go on YouTube and you can learn how to train a dog, you can read books on how to train a dog.
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Uh, if you're gonna own a dog, you should probably have some disposable income and maybe take the dog to an obedience course.
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Um, but treating the dog like a farm animal with a spiked collar leash is uh it's not cool.
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It's not cool anymore.
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It pisses me off, it triggers me.
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And I now have no problem when I see people like yelling at their dog or like, come and stay here, heal.
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I'm like, hey, stop being a fucking dick.
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It's just an animal and it doesn't speak English.
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That's my trigger.
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Do you have something that triggers you?
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There's some, but in in general, I would say if you feel in power and um don't behave humanly to minorities, and I uh how how can I put it better?
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I'm uh I'm saying I'm not the smallest guy, yeah, and I always thought when I go somewhere, it shouldn't matter.
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Right.
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Because there's the the people who can't express themselves physically, they also need a place.
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They also need a and we need to listen to them because this is what started for me in school.
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You're absolutely correct.
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That's a it's a good trigger.
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If you're in a position of power, don't be a fucking dick.
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Don't be a fucking dick.
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Everyone should have a place to go.
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Yeah.
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The dorks, people of color, gays, queers, everybody, straight men.
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I mean, you have enough places to go, but everybody should have a place to go.
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Thank you.
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All right, my friend, I love you so much.
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Love you.
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Thank you for doing this.
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Um, I hope you have just enjoyed Fire Island so much.
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I'm excited for you to spend time in the city with your family.
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Thank you.
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Um, I love you.
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Thanks for doing this.
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Love you.
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Thank you.
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We'll see you later at Trigger Warning.
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