Rob McConnell Interviews - RICK OSMON - Unraveling the Secrets

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Rob McConnell.
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And welcome one and all to the X Zone.
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and on, and why because we have guests like my
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guest this hour, Rick Osmon is our guest, and we
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we're going to be talking about ancient America and much more.
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First of all, Rick, welcome to the Xzone.
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Great having you with us. Tell us a little bit
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about yourself and how you got involved in writing about
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Ancient America and where does your fascination come from.
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My fascination has always been with history, and of course
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the history that we're taught is just you know, the
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high points, view of the high points, and when you
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start digging, you find that there are more stories than
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you could possibly fit in any textbook.
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I've always founded ironic rick that kids are still being
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taught in school that Christopher Columbus discovered the America's when
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we know that is false.
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We know that he is not the first European or
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anybody else to reach America from somewhere else by water. Incidentally, however,
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the term discovery is a term of legal art. It
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is not about exploration. It is about land claims. So
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when we say Columbus discovered America, in that sense, it's true.
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And that's the sense that all government sponsored education wants
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you to see it, want you to see the rest
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of it.
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But what about the claims that the Vikings made way
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before Columbus. How Come that's not taken into consideration, and
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it's not taught that the Vikings discovered the Americas.
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Well, the Norse certainly reached America and established a colony,
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possibly more than one, possibly many, right, and most of
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them nearer to you than to me. But they the Norse,
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were exploration oriented and trade oriented. We think of them
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as vikings who would go raid things, and in many
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points that's true. But on the other hand, you also
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had the folks who saw the value in establishing like
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secret trade routes or it's very valuable goods, and I
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think they fit in that category. The other thing about
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how it affects discovery as a legal term is that
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they abandoned their colonies. We think.
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So when we look at the entire scenario, the claims
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by those who want to follow Christopher Columbus as the discoverer,
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and those who know very well that the Vikings were
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in North America. They had settlements in Newfoundland, Nova Scotia,
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you know. And why aren't we being more honest when
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we talk about history.
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Well, let's use Canada as the example, because Canada has
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already had political upheaval wherein the Natives, the First Nations
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folks said this is our land, it's still our land,
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and they finally had to they, being the Canadian government,
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finally had to accept that as being true because it's
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legally bound to follow its own law. The United States
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is still catching up on that part.
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So it's a matter of politics.
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It's almost strictly politics, and that includes the politics going
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into academia.
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In my view, all right, stand by, Rick, You and
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I have to take a brief break. We'll be back shortly.
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Ex O Nation. Rick Holsman as our special guest and
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Rick and I will be back on the other side
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of this break as we continue talking about ancient history
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We're talking about Ancient America and much more this hour
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here in the ac Zone, Rick, I remember a couple
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of years ago, or maybe more than a couple of
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years ago, but certainly in the past here on the show,
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we have discussed artifacts that were found that were traced
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to ancient Egypt, that were actually found in the Grand Canyon.
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Do you remem Yeah, that is a long standing and
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very strong story.
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What is the story? Refresh our memories.
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There was a gentleman by the name of Kincaid who
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was actually there, sponsored by the Hirsh newspaper group, and
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I believed the year was nineteen seventeen, and he reported
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finding a cave at least partially artificially dug or excavated
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with sarcophag guy, weapons, armor, chariots, you name it. He said,
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pretty much all of Egypt was represented there and no
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further reports by anybody.
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Unbelievable, such a significant find just erased from history.
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Well, ignored by history, ignored by the academic. Primarily with
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our culture, our popular information culture, that's what I call it.
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We access this stuff because we're interested, right. The academics
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simply are not interested because it does not fit their paradigm.
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But that brings the question up if they've lied to us,
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or if they have misdirected us in so many ways,
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what are they hiding, what are they afraid that we
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will learn? And how will it, in their opinion, change
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what they do and the history of the planet as
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we know it.
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It would change the validity or the acceptance of the
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validity of the land claims of pretty much every country
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that colonized in the Americas.
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Wow.
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So yeah. Let's take, for instance, in nine ninety eight
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when life Erickson arrived in Canada. He was a Christian
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and he started a colony. So if that colony had
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continued in any way shape or form, or was even
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acknowledged as having been there for say a couple of generations,
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then that monarchy would have the land claim of Canada
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rather than France and England.
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Now, okay, go on, this is this is very interesting
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to me. Keep going.
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Let's go back to other legends of incursions from elsewhere. Okay,
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going back to the ancient Welsh tale. Whether it's six
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seventy a d or I'm sorry, five seventy eight or
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eleven seventy eight is my main question. Because there was
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a prince Mattic and there was a Mattic who was
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a vice admiral or possibly main admiral of the Welsh navy.
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And you don't think about the Welsh navy in those years,
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but in Julius Caesar's time, he arrived at Britain and
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was met by a seven hundred ship navy assembled within
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three or four days. So yeah, they had a navy.
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They were Christian. They weren't Roman Catholic Christian. They were
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called the Christian or Celtic Christians called before that. Perhaps
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the Roman Empire had an incursion some kind of a
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secret trade route again, and at least elements within that
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would have been Christian because they had to have come
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from Britain in you know, like the second century. So
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any Christian incursion and colonization and you know, long standing
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presence would throw a real wrinkle into all of these
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land claims. Now get into that in a lot more
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detail in the book Grays as the Golden Bear. But
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the I guess you'd call it the short notes version.
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The coach. You have to bury that evidence as long
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as you can if you want to maintain sovereignty, being
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the United the States government or the Canadian government or
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the Mexican government. If there were Christians here, then all
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of those land claims that go back to Christopher Columbus
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are null and void based on the law that made
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them accepted, and that was going back to canon law.
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A papal bull entitled terrannulius, meaning empty land, and the
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core meaning was empty of Christians. If there were no Christians,
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you could claim the land. Well. When English settlers got
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into Virginia, several of the early English colonists noted that
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many of the tribes in that part of North America
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practiced rituals that closely resembled a lot of Christian rituals,
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but they couldn't do that if they wanted to claim
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the land that the Indians already held.
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So not only do you have governmental interference, but you
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also have religious interference.
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Correct and knowingly. In my opinion, I am convinced that
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the Vatican knew that there had been Christians of probably
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various groups in North America and possibly South America Central
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America for one thousand, fourteen hundred years before Columbus got here.
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And actually Columbus never got to North America per se.
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No, he was in the Central American area Andribbean.
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He was primarily in the Caribbean.
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Yeah, all right, So let's just go back a little
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bit more in time, because you claim that the ancient
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Romans have came to America.
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And what do you base that on, Rick, Well, my
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claim is that it is possible that they did, and
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there may be other evidence. There have been a number
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of coins on the order that I know of around
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seven eight hundred Roman coins from the first century up
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to well the fall of Rome basically, and they've been
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primarily along the major riverways, mostly the Ohio. You also
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have artifacts, stone artifacts, their lithic spheres, usually about the
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size of a tennis ball, are a little smaller, and
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they are pretty much everywhere along all of the waterways,
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navigable waterways at least. And that is very likely a
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Roman belief to ball, because the natives never claimed to
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have anything, with one exception that could actually throw a
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belief to ball. And the one exception is just a
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tale that was told to Henry's schoolcraft in I don't know,
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eighteen thirty. I believe it was by an Algonkin chief.
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But the Algonkin chief claimed that the natives had a
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means in the Great wars of the ancient past of
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binding a stone sphere to a long pole and bringing
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it down on the enemy's canoes. So that sounds to
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me like somebody was trying to control the rivers, but
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that would require a machine. We'd never credit them with
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any kind of machinery.
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But wasn't There also talk about the Middle East actually
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traversing the Atlantic and getting copper from the Indians of
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the Great Lakes.
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Well, someone did, and a lot of it has centered
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around Minoan, Egyptian, Hebrew, Phoenician ships actually doing the traveling.
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But the Phoenicians probably were a trade network of their
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own that became and things like Carthage and Cadiz, Spain
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and all these other places. But they were all interested
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in copper. Now, the old oral copper is not good copper.
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When you get something on the order of a today
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one half percent or mine, you're in the money. But
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the Michigan copper Upper Michigan Q and L Peninsula Aisle
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Royal that was ninety seven on up percent pure copper,
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and most of the inclusions, you know, the contamination, if
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you will, was either gold or silver, so you didn't
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have to smelt it. You could use it like it
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was on the other On the other hand, at the
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other end of the med you had these ships that
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have been retrieved reconstructed from the Turkish coast, the Lubrium.
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I never can say that name correctly, but this ship
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had ten tons of copper ingots on board, as well
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as about a ton of ten ingots and three tons
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of glass ingots in a quarter ton. I believe it
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was with cobalt glass Egyptian blue cobalt class. Well. The
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cobalt was indeed a side effect, a waste product, if
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you will, of production of copper from some of the
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minerals they actually had in Egypt, however, and glass silica
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of sand would have been the flux to draw that
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off of the copper. So it's very much in keeping
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that copper trade was incredibly sophisticated, and it was huge,
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because that much copper in that one ship was more
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than the annual purchase for any of the kings in
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the region.
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Has there ever been any artifacts naval artifacts found within
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the Great Lakes or on the shores of the Great
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Lakes that would be able to collaborate this hypothesis.
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Not to my knowledge. There are shipwrecks in other places
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that would indicate that there was transatlantic travel. But to
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my knowledge, no, there hasn't been much in the Great Likes.
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Of course, you've got Lake Superior with an average depth
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of what four hundred and eighty feet or something like that.
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It's hard to find shipwrecks from two thousand years ago,
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three thousand years ago.
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Have there been any archaeological finds that would collaborate the
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once again the hypothesis that the Phoenicians or any other
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Middle Eastern country or group had actually come across the
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Atlantic up the Saint Lawrence somehow done portages through to
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you know, from Lake Ontario to Lake Aria and then
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up to the Great Lakes system.
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Well, there's another possible route, and it may have been
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two different routes. Could have been one route in and
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a different route out, and that would be to go
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in through Hudson Bay and go down I believe it's
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the Red River and basically get into like Superior from
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that end, and Isle Royle would be right about there.
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Yeah, but what about the the ice the ice flow,
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that would mean it was you know, I forget the
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length of the summer up towards Hudson Band. Then throw
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James band down the.
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The right answer. It's short. Yeah, so what they probably did,
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and this is based on the work of Fred Reid
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Home and a few other folks who studied the copper
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for decades. The cruise, whether they were traders, miners or both,
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would come in in one season, you know, dash across
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during the summer, get place winter in place while they're mining,
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because you know, under the ground it's still what fifty
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degrees or so down there, pardon me, and then then
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dash off the next time, now you know, after they
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had a payload and and the time dashed back home.
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Hey, Rick, we've got to take our break.
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This is so interesting that that I nearly lost track
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take your break, Rob, So you and I will be
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I've often put this question to you, the members of
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the Explanation, over the twenty five years that you and
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I have been friends and visiting each other nightly. How
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different would history be, and how different would the Bible
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be and every other religious philosophy for that matter, if
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the truth was really known, just ponder that thought. I'm
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sure that if the events of Biblical proportions happened today,
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with our knowledge of science, quantum physics, chemistry, biology, physics, astronomy,
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would they have had the same implications today as they
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did in yesteryear. I don't think so. However, when it
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comes to the history of humanity and the finds of
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archaeological called teams around the world, as well as independent
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researchers and writers and thinkers like our guests this hour,
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Rick Osmen, these finds are significant because they tell a story.
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They tell the truth, not the not the story that
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academia would like us to swallow without questioning, but the truth.
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And in order to understand the present and know where
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we're going in the future, we have to understand the past.
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And Rick, thanks so much for being with us tonight
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to help us put the pieces to this archaeological puzzle together.
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Well, thank you for having me. Rick.
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You know we we've we've talked about here on the
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X own the American's America stonehead with a Dennis Stone.
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We've talked about the let me see the Serpent Mounds.
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We've talked about the the rock formations that are found
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around North America. We've talked about sacred sites with Brad Olsen.
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What is causing the resurgence in the quest for the
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truth about ancient America and to ancient North America?
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And it's not just here, It's also a quest pretty
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much worldwide. And I don't know how to attribute that.
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Part of it is because of the information age, I'm
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confident of that, but also I think it is because
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people in general, with a few cultural exceptions, want to
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know how we got to where we are, and we're
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tired of being spoon fed all these supposed facts that
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are not facts. You know, you got folks, the WikiLeaks
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guys and Snowden and all these folks who are releasing
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information on pain of death. More or less, I think
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it's an amazing thing that people are becoming, not necessarily enlightened,
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but at least curious and aware and aware, yes, that's
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the right word.
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Some Roman coins have been found near Louisville. Can you
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tell us about that?
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There have been at least three different cases of coins
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found in the general vicinity of Louisville. As far as
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I know, all but three of those coins have been
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on the Indiana side of the river. In nineteen sixty two.
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I believe it was perhaps sixty four memories failing me
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a little bit. Here, an engineer working on a bridge
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project for Interstate sixty four, going across the Ohio River
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came across a cash of fifty two Roman coins, and
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two of them ended up in a little museum in Clarksville,
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Indiana for a number of years, but eventually the state
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of Indiana acquired that museum and banished those coins to
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some unknown location. Another guy east of the upriver of Louisville,
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several miles fifteen sixteen miles, found nineteen coins in a
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separate case. To the best of my knowledge, somewhere in
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the vicinity of one hundred coins of Roman origin and
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genuine have been found in the area of Louisville, Kentucky,
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three in Brentha County, Kentucky, some in Ohio. I believe
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Leah Pennington prepared a really good map, but it is
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now kind of dated because there have been more fines
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that showed coin finds. Roman coin finds along the riverways
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and along the coastlines, but not so much west of
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the Rockies. In fact, none west of the Rockies on
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Lee's map since that time I have been in contact
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with someone who found three hundred and eighty six Roman
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coins in a single cash in Utah. So wow, bunches, how.
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Much would that those three hundred and eighty six coins
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be worth today?
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Surprisingly little? Really, yeah, as you know, as scrap metal.
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Most of them are bronze, a few are silver, very
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few are gold. But those are you know, fairly valuable.
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You would imagine that because of their their age and
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their significance, they would be worth a small fortune.
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You would think, yes. As an example, there was a
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cache of Roman coins found in Britain by a metal
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detectorist that contained I believe it was on the order
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of fifty two thousand separate coins. It was valued in
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total at something like a million and a half dollars
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I'm sorry, a million and a half pounds, which would
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be what to went three million dollars And you would
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you know, you would have thought that any one of
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those would have been a collector's item or you know,
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untold hundreds of thousand, But no they're not. Some of
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them are actually very common, particularly in Britain. Nobody knows
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why they buried all their money.
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They didn't trust the banks.
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They did not trust the Romans either, I don't think.
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So.
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You know, what was their reason for coming to America?
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The Romans any idea?
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Yes, I investigated several lines of reasoning there, but the
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most pragmatic would be for trade or some resource that
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they thought in that case, in that particular case, it
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would have been Trajan or Hadrian who engineered this whole thing,
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those those two emperors, and it was to get some resource,
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possibly copper, possibly something entirely different that would more or
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less save the Roman Empire from implosure because they were
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kind of in a bad way at that time. But
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what they did, I believe, and I think I showed
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enough evidence to make it plausible. Someone decided that the
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Ninth Roman Legion was going to disappear from history and
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did this would be fifty five thousand troops and probably
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I'm sorry, fifty five hundred troops and all of their
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camp followers, bringing a total something over ten thousand people,
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as well as cavalry units and whatnot. They just simply
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disappear from history, the Lost Ninth Legion. There have been
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movies about it. You know, they disappeared into Scotland or
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never heard from again. They disappeared here or there and
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got conquered or captured and sold into slavery. Well, yeah,
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another legion or two did exactly that, but it wasn't
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the ninth. The ninth simply is written away, and twenty
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five years later one of the officers from that unit
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shows up as the governor of Arabia. Petraeus. What we
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know is the city of petra in Jordan, and you've
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seen it, You've seen it in an Indiana Jones movie.
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But the betific that you see carved into that living
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stone was primarily carved by the Roman government.
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Is there any connection, and this is just a long shot,
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is there any connection with what has happened in the
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past with the ongoing conflict in the Middle East today?
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Well? Sure, I mean how far back do you want
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to go? I want to go back to Abraham because
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that's where most of it starts.
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I mean, no, let's talk about the trade deals that
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were going on before Abraham in ancient America.
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You know.
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Sure, archaeologically, the academic world will tell you that copper
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smelting began as an art in the Middle East around
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what is now Israel about seven fifty years ago. Well
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that's pretty interesting. But at the other end of that stick.
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You have ice core data that says somebody was smelting
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copper somewhere on the Earth seventy five hundred and fifty
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years ago. So for five hundred years someone was already
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smelting copper. That's right. Remember the part where you don't
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have to smelt copperper Michigan, Right.
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But I also remember stories about alchemy, the alchemists, the wizards, sure,
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and I also remember the stories that have that the
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copper was necessary to make bronze.
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Absolutely, yeah, bronze is nine tenths copper, right, And the
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Bronze Age was a continuation of this ability to you know,
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work with metal metal urgy in general. But we think
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of you know, the copper and the ten or the
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copper in the latter. You know, whatever metal we're going
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to put into alloy copper, we also have to factor
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in how much fuel does it take? What kind of
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fluxes do you need to do that smelting? Where is
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all the debris that's left over from that smelting exercise? Right?
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And by the way, where did they get all that copper,
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because it wasn't in the old world.
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Where did they get it?
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What's your three? They got it from Ile Royal in
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the Keewano Peninsula of Michigan, and possibly some from the
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Middle or you know, under the waters of Lake Superior.
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So is what we're seeing basically the re establishment or
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the rediscovery of not only the past, but of lost technology,
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lost navigation.
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Yes, a navigation surveying all of them mathematically related, you know,
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everyday arts because they are an art. It's not just
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a science. You have to be capable of understanding what
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you're seeing, not just what you figure up. As well.
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As you mentioned alchemy, which is an outgrowth or a
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companion art of metallurgy. So yeah, take that into medicine
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and anything else. Those things were known. Many of those
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things were known in better detail three or four or
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five or ten thousand years ago than they are now.
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So it's just like the batteries that are being fed
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that are thousands of years old. It's just like the
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questions on how the pyramids and other monoliths of ancient
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times were built with such precision.
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Sure, yeah, the mathematical stuff is precise, Sure, but let's
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also look at the other arts that were important to
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make those possible. Writing, you know, you may be able
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to understand the math, but unless you can write it
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down in a way that everybody understands what you're saying exactly.
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So communication arts, whether they're verbal, written, or you know,
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further afield, because what I'm working on primarily right now
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is assessing and possibly proving that all these mounds that
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you find across North America were more than just a
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burial or a ritual place, that they actually were there
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in part to convey messages across the continent in very
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near real time.
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And this brings in lay lines that brings in an
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entire aspect of history that people just cannot fathom that
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the technology of today may have been invented in the
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past and we have just reinvented it. We'll be back
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For nearly thirty years I have been investigating the case
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Rick Osmond as our special guest. We're talking about ancient
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America based on the research you've done. What has been
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your most awe inspiring moment, The moment when you say,
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You've got to be kidding. I didn't know this. This
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is something I have to share with the world.
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What was that, Well, you know, actually it was fairly
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recent and it could change. I could, you know, have
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an addendum after this sometime. But I was preparing to
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give a presentation in Illinois, and I was doing some
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research on ogam writing, and I ended up somehow, you know,
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that cruising the Internet thing, ended up at the Histories
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of Rome by Polybius, where he described how they used
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a code during the Siege of Carthage to send messages
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by torchlight and hum. And so they used an alphabetic
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substitution code basically, and they used two different alphabets to
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confuse the enemy in case the enemy could actually pick
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it up. That's ingenious, It is pretty ingenious. And when
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you charted out exactly the way Polybius did, you have
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the ogum alphabet. We call it an alphabet, but it
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is not. It represents an alphabet, and it can represent
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just about any alphabet of up to about thirty characters.
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And how long ago was that one?
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Six BC?
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Talk about encryption?
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Oh yeah, well that's just that's just the top level encryption.
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You know, they would have had codebooks too. We don't.
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We don't talk about we talked about all they conquered
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so and so. Well, yeah, that's because they wrote that history.
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If they had written the entire history the way it
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had been done, they would have been giving away all
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of their secrets. You know, their military secrets.
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Sure, but isn't history written by the victors always? Yeah?
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What do you think needs to be done in your
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line of research in order to to get the truth,
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to get at the very bottom layer of what needs
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to be discovered?
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Uh? Well, the lay researchers, including myself, have to get
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better at collecting and documenting evidence and leaving evidence in C.
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Two when that is what is appropriate. Because oh, that's cool.
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Let me pull it up out of the ground and
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destroy all of the context of it. Even if you
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take a video while you're doing it, you have destroyed
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the context of the artifact.
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How do you figure.
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Archaeology requires that they understand or at least document everything
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about an object before they count that object as being
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real or relevant. If I'm not an archaeologist and I
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pull it up out of the ground, I'm a hoaxer.
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And sometimes if I am an archaeologist and it is
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an artifact, they don't want to see in their catalog
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that archaeologist is a hoaxer. This has been you know,
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the game for well one hundred and forty five years,
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give or take.
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But how would a video or a picture discredit the
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the the archaeological value of it.
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It doesn't just credit it, but it doesn't help either.
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The point is, if you don't let that archaeologist, or
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you can't can't convince that archaeologist to come and dig
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it out himself and document it by the book quote,
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then they don't care what it is. And oh, by
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the way, he's not going to come without pay.
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But wouldn't a museum or a historic foundation be more
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than willing to pay for this find, especially if someone
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an amateur archaeologist like yourself, a researcher, was able to
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take a photograph, send it to these people without disturbing
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it and say this is what we have found.
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Yes, without disturbing it is the important part, right So
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that yeah, now that's a whole different scenario than pulling
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it up out of the ground. Oh yeah, the action.
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I can understand. Pulling it out of the ground would
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totally screw things up for anyone. It's just like a
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crime scene.
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Yeah, leave everything, very very much like a crime scene exactly.
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You know, we do we the amateurs, or at least
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operate a few academics operating outside their regimen doctrine. We
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do core samples. We do uh, you know, leaf mold samples,
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we do tree rings, We do all these things, and
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we do our best to document every step because we
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can never convince anybody to come out and do it
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themselves until we can raise enough eyebrows that hey, there's
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evidence and here's the test results.
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Yeah.
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As an example, I'm pretty sure that in your last
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twenty five years you interviewed Lloyd.
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Pie Oh, definitely several occasions. He's a you know I'm
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missing Yeah, me too. You know, God rest his soul.
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But there's a guy who did his best to apply
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scientific method to an extremely controversial.
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Object, starchild.
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Yes, and he pretty much got nowhere. Yeah.
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I think the problem with Lloyd was he started off
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with cryptoids and cryptozoology yep, and then midstream and he
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was getting you know, he was doing very well when
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it came to the Bigfoot, you know, the Bigfoot research
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and tying in the Royal Russian family into Bigfoot and
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the miners and so on. But when he got involved
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in Starchild, I think that it was too much of
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a switch for people to actually follow.
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Well, you know, the object is what we need to
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think about, not the guy who's bringing it to the forefront.
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But the credibility of the person bringing it into the
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forefront is also as important as the artifact it is.
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And he did his best at once again in to
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recruit academics with the right credentials to help with that,
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and he got pretty much nowhere. And that is the scenario,
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I'm sorry to say, for a lot of amateur or
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avocational archaeologists and a few professionals.
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Plus I would imagine there's a financial strain on the
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amateurs as well.
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Absolutely, you know I'm not getting rich on this book.
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Sales are deplorable.
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Speaking about speaking about your books, where are your books available?
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Well, Amazon has both print and a kindle, Barnes and
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Noble has a print in their nook, and also Smash
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Word Diesel I believe. I don't know if Sony Books
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has picked it up yet or not, but several of
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them have, and also through the publisher, which is Grave
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Distractions Publications out of Nashville, Tennessee, and Ancient American Magazine
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has a few copies on hand most times. Right, you
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can order it through Books a million, But.
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Tell our audience the names of your books.
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The only book that I have well two editions of
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this book in print, The Graves of the Golden Bear,
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Ancient Fortresses and Monuments of the Ohio Valley. I'm also
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a contributor to a couple of Prank Joseph's works, and
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I write, well pretty much every issue of Ancient American
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for the last three or four years excellent.
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So we're going to try and get as many people
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as we can to go and get copies of your books,
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my friend, because this is very interesting, and you certainly
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have presented a steadfast case tonight in presenting your findings,
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your your theories, and the evidence that has been collected
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so far to prove that once again, the ancients were
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here in North America way before so many people would
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like us to believe.
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And they were a lot smarter than a lot of
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people would like us to believe.
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Yeah, they didn't have Hillary or Donald running around.
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True.
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Yeah, what is your final thought for the ex own
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nation tonight?
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Rick? Be curious, That's all I asked, Just be curious.
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Why then, are so many people like bicycle racks. They
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stick their heads in the ground and they put their
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butts up in the air, and they really don't give
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a rat's ass about anything.
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I'll blame that on football and disposable cigarette lighters.
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Oh man, I love the way you think football, understand,
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but the disposable lighters.
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We have become a disposing culture.
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That's true, we have, all right, I see the analogy here. Now, okay,
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you know not to mention a drive through culture. Drive
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through coffee shops, drive through laundry, drive through laundromats, drive
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through pharmacies, and now, believe it or not, even drive
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through funeral homes.
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Oh yeah, that one's been around for a while. Drive
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in churches in California. But you know, the drug dealers
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said drive through a long time ago.
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It's true. Hey, Rick, it's been a great hour with you.
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Thank you so much for sharing. I wish you continued success.
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Thank you, and we'll have to have you back on
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in the future because, my friend, I know you have
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so much more to share with the world. I'll look
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forward to that, right, take care of yourself, Rica once again,
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thank you very much for sharing your time with us.
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Oh bye, good night, good night now x O nation.
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Rick Osmond. What a guy. Disposable football and disposable lighters.
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I love it.
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We'll be back on the other side of this commercial
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