Interview: Daniel Penny Saved Strangers — New York Put Him on Trial

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Our next president of the United States of America.
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Yeah, Dawson, she's missing.
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She went for a run, never came home.
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Behind the gate. Swear you Christmas was not random?
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Where is she?
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Houses?
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Shine?
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Doncha is pregnant? Every secret has a friend.
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You promised me she wouldn't be hurt.
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He's dressed in white.
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That's so for Dad.
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I'm done, Misak. It's that simple.
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Do you You are destined to be president?
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What do you know about Ken Dawson?
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Don angels fool?
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They smile for the camps.
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It's the job of my friends and me here to
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protect the next president. As I said, gentlemen, be careful
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getting home.
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These roads can be dangerous at night. The other blood
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sample got a hit. The suspects being held at the tombs,
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we need to get there. Busing in on that had
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to be.
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We can make them present this case to a grand jury.
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Hearts to Supe today. The US Attorney's Office has called
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a seven am press conference concerning.
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A major political figure.
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Everyone, Palmer, you're not President Dawson.
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M all right.
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Joining us now is the lawyer who has successfully defended
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Daniel Penny. And we didn't talk about that a lot
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on this show, but we did talk about it several
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times what I think was an injustice and so we
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wanted to talk to him about the trial and what
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is happening now. There is a civil case that he's
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still defending him against and he's also written a book
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and that looks very fascinating. This book called Tuxedo Park.
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It just came out yesterday. It is a fictional book.
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It's not about the Daniel Penny case, but I think
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it lays out his view of the professional being a lawyer.
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Very interested in talking to him because he's been on
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both sides of this coin. He's been both a prosecutor
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and a defense attorney. So joining us now is Thomas Kenneth.
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Thank you for joining us, sir. Yeah, so good to
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be here. Before we talk about the Daniel Penny case,
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So let's talk a little bit about the different roles
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of prosecutors and defense attorneys because you've been on both
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sides of that. When you were a JAG officer in
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the military, you were involved and both prosecutions and defense.
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Tell us a little bit about your perspective on that.
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Yeah, you know, it's I started my career, at least
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my career in criminal law. As a prosecutor, I was
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hired by Jeanine Piro in the West who was then
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the elected District Attorney of Westchester County here in New York.
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And then I somewhat roughly simultaneously with that, I commissioned
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as an officer into the New York Army National Guard
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JAG Corps, and I was almost immediately deployed to.
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War in Iraq.
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I served for a year Operation Iraqi Freedom in two
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thousand and five, and I was more on a proscatorial
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side than the JAG Corps as I had been in
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the District Attorney's office. And then, you know, after a
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few years, I kind of made the transition over to defense,
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which is not uncommon. And you know, it is interesting
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to get to see both sides of the criminal justice system.
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I think in both instances, you know, it's about justice,
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but as a prosecutor, you're really kind of representing the
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system and representing law and order, so to speak. In
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a more general sense. I mean, you do develop a
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relationship sometimes with the victims of the crime or the
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family is but you're not representing an individual like you
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are in the case of defense attorneys. So as a
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defense attorney, things become much more personal and you have
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that feeling of you know, hey, I have an individual's
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life in my hands, and that's a tremendous responsibility.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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We just watched a movie and I forget what it
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was about a decade old and it had Tom Cruise
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and it began with a defense attorney getting into a
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cab and she's talking about this guy. I know that
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I'm defending he's innocent, and I just don't feel like
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I've done a good enough job. It's gonna hot me
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over this, And I guess that really is the case
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as well, when you are defending somebody that you think
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is innocent. Was that the case certainly with Daniel Penny?
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Well, you know, it's certainly the case with Daniel Penny.
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And you know, David, one of the questions I get,
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you know, most frequently is well, I think every defense
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attorney gets this at cocktail parties or social engagement says, well,
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how do you defend those people? Or how do you
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defend someone when you know they're guilty? The answer I
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always give is, you know, it's the hardest thing to
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do is to represent someone you know is innocent. You know,
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as a defense attorney, as you guys, elisly represent your
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client whether you like them or not, whether you think
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they're guilty or innocent or somewhere in between. Part of
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what you're doing is defending the Constitution of the United
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States and their rights under it. But you know, if
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you're representing someone who's really not a great person and
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you know that they've quote unquote done it, you know
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you're probably not going to wake up at night in
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both sweats if the jury gets it wrong. But when
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you have someone like Daniel Penny, you know, it's really
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the most difficult thing that any lawyer can be called
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upon to do.
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I imagine, yeah, when you're looking at when you're defending
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somebody that you think is guilty, that did it. In
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a sense that you point out, you're defending the Constitution,
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You're defending the rule of law. And that's really important
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because that really is about defending innocent people in general.
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And I've had a discussion about some of the cases that.
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I've talked about on this show here.
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Obviously it looks like the person did the crime, but
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I and people get ups up with me about that
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because I say, yeah, but we've got to follow due process.
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You can't just ship abroad or whatever you feel like
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doing to them. I mean, we don't want to have
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a lynch mob society, especially when it's being run from
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the top.
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That's very dangerous.
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But well, you know, absolutely hit the nail on the head.
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And you know, the minute we start only providing is
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ls defense for people that look kind of innocent, is
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the minute is the moment you know your tiler justice
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system is gone. Because history is replete with examples of
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individuals who at the time were considered totally contemptible, uh,
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totally undeserving of representation or mercy or anything of the like.
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And you know, then you look back on it and say, well,
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you know, thank goodness, those people had a defense, or
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they really should have had a defense. Maybe they didn't
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get it. You know, so you have to treat. You know,
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I always say it's sort of like a doctor and
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a triage and in an emergency room you could have
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a cold blooded killer on the operating table, or you
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could have you know, a RASA type person. Either way,
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you know, you take out your tools and you get
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to work.
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Yeah, that's right now. In your novel, your hero is
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a burned out ex assistant district attorney. That's not autobiographical,
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is it.
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Well?
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You know, look there, I think you know what I've
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learned on the writing journey, if that's what we're going
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to call it, you know, is that a good writer,
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Any good writer is going to write a lot about.
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What they know.
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Yeah, or please learn a lot about what they're writing
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about so they know it.
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You know.
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Always been kind of a history buff and maybe, you know,
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perhaps I'd like to write a book about Abraham Lincoln
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or something, you know, but I don't have hours to
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sit in a research library. I mean, I barely have
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hours to sit in a law library because I'm so busy,
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you know. So I decided to, you know, I had
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a concept and I said, let me write. You know,
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I'll write about what I know. And you know, the
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book deals with a you know, sort of a prosecutor
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becomes disenchanted and then is sort of drawn into moonlighting
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again as a prosecutor on the case of a strange,
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you know, teenage girlfriend of his from twenty years earlier
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that wound up, that goes missing and it's an abduction
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that then becomes a suspected murder, and as he's sort
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of unraveling the clues and the evidence that begins to
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lead back to the front runner for the presidential election,
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who then becomes the president elect, and it's he's in
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a racing time to try and stop this individual from
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taking the lighthouse, you know, before an auguration day.
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That's a great prices.
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Yeah, you know, it's it's it's spicy, I think, but
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you know, yeah, I mean it is that I was
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once a young prosecutor in New York's case about a
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young prosecutor, it's fictional, but I certainly, you know, I
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think I will have a good amount of my personal
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experiences and my professional experiences into it.
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Yeah, we talked about the defense side of it, but
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when to look at the prosecution side of it and
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what might burn somebody out? You know, with a case
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of Daniel Penny, everybody was just astounded that they didn't
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give him a medal. Instead they indicted him. And I
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guess that's the other issue going back to that case.
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Let's talk a little bit about the specifics of the
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Daniel Perry case. Just reminded the audience in case they
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don't know some of the details of what happened with that.
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Yeah, so Daniel Penny.
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Is a was it is a former marine, although marines,
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or never former Marines than Marines. But he served his
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four years in the Marine Corps. He enlisted right out
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of high school, which is not, you know, so common
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and you know for someone who goes to a suburban
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high school along Long Island, New York as opposed to
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the other parts of the country. So it was a courageous,
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selfless acts, as it is for anybody who takes the
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oath and is willing to serve the country in any capacity. Uh.
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He returned after his four year deployment. He was well commended,
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well decorated for his time in the Marines, but he
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decided to re enter civilian life and he came back
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here to the New York area where he was from.
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He enrolled in a city college in Brooklyn, Brooklyn Tech,
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and was took an apartment downtown Manhattan. Then was doing
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what college kids did, do you know. He was working
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a part time job, using his GI bill and getting
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and looking to get his education and make a life
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for himself after the Marines. Unfortunately, he encountered an individual
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by named Jordan Neely who was a to call him
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a recidibus defender would be to minimize it. He was
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really one of the city's most prolific criminals and one
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of the most dangerously psychotic individuals on the street. Those
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aren't just my words, that's you know how he was
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listed in DENYPD profiles and so forth.
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And when Jordan Neely entered a subway.
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In the afternoon in Manhattan, when Danny was on his
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way back from class, you know, he made very clear
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that his intention was to do harm to the men,
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women and children on that subway train. Danny, you know,
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selflessly stepped in to subdue this individual. Unfortunately, in the
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aftermath of the counter Jordan Neely died. And that's tragic
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as any death, but it was not certainly not what
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Danny intended, and the evidence of trial even showed that,
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you know, it wasn't what he caused. You know, Jordan
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Neely died of factors that weren't related or weren't caused
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by the restraint that Danny used.
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That's interesting. And then why was he prosecuted. I mean,
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he was not arrested on the spot, right.
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No, he wasn't.
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In fact, what happened was he was utterly cooperative. He
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waited on the scene for many minutes onwards of you know,
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ten minutes before the from the time the encounter ended
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and the police finally showed up, he was, you know,
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very concerned for Jordan Neely. No one thought that Jordan
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Neely had died of a chokehold at that point. In fact,
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the police were administering Narkhan. The emergency room records, you know,
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indicated initially the cause of death.
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Was an overdose.
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He did have a lot of drunks in the system.
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And you know, Dan me being very cooperative, tells the
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police what happened on the subway station is all on
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body worn camera by the way need companies. Then voluntarily
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not to the police precinct where he's debriefed by you know,
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two season detectives for about an hour. He tells them,
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you know, exactly how things played out, and they send
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him home. And you know, that was where it was
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at least for a few days. And even when I,
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you know, initially spoke with the prosecutor that was originally
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signed to this case, just a district attorney in the
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Manhattan Day's Office that that I dealt with before, and
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it was a reasonable person and the original overtures from
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the DA's office was look, you know, we're going to
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take our time with this. We want to do a
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long and throw an investigation. Maybe next month we'll have
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a meeting in my office, in our office among the attorneys,
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and we'll kind of see where things go. They weren't
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pleasuring never to prosecute him, but there was a certain
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me no indication there was an urgency. And then what happened,
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of course, you know, the the politicians that the agenda
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driven politicians, the activists, the al Sharptons of the world,
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the b l at the Black Lives Matters, uh, you know,
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started rationing up the rank corps, if you will. There
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was a protest that the subways stop at the subway
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station where the protesters went on the tracks to block
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the trains. And now it's just the drum beat was
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loud and steady. And within a day or two of
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the call I just described, I get another call and saying, yeah,
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well sorry, you know, the orders come from the top,
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your client's got to surrender tomorrow. And at that point, well,
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what are you going to say? Now?
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So the das Alvin Bragg at that point, right, and yes, yeah,
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and so.
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I'm not dealing with them correctly, but it's his you know,
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it was his office, right.
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on both sides, and everybody was really amazed that they
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would prosecute him. But of course, as you're talking about,
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was very political, and what was the political context at
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the time.
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Was that around the time of George Floyd as.
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can change, you know, how quickly things can change, just
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based on individual incidents and also just the public mood,
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if you will. In May of twenty twenty three, it
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was a different time than you know, May of twenty
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twenty five or May of twenty twenty six. Not that
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we've you know, by any means overcome our issues as
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a society, but you know, at that point, there was
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still very much a fervor you know, to you know, judging,
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pre judging guilt, you know, in any kind of cross
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racial case where there's there's the death of a black person,
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regardless of the circumstances, regardless of whether there's justification or not.
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you know, Gusto behind it, the George Floyd situation.
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started to take a more nuanced view of all that. So,
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you know, it was this, you know, there may have
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been tragedy here, but was it you know, was it
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everything that was suggested to be? But in May twenty
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twenty three, we had all that headwind in our face,
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and we were also, you know, dealing with a burrow that,
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you know, politically is arguably is more liberal than a
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place in the country as far as voter registration and
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so forth. So there were a lot of people that
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said that, well, you're never going to get a fair
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trial in this case. It doesn't be in this venue,
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in the city, doesn't matter what the facts are.
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Yeah, and we look at this, if I remember correctly,
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I think there was the guy who was helping Daniel
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that was black himself, wasn't there.
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And again, look, I don't think any of this should matter.
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that's what everybody. It was made racial for political reasons.
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But it's certainly appropriate when you you know, when once
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I tries to racialize it to point out that wait
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a second, and more than the individuals that were helping him.
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white people.
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New York City subway train that is. You know, it's
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about as diverse as you can get, you know, black, white, Asians.
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And you know, everyone on that train, I mean, virtually
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without exception, applauded what Danny did. In fact, you know,
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they were black people, men and women that stayed around
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to talk to the police to say, you know, look,
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he was trying to help us. He didn't do anything wrong.
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This other guy was scary, you know, he was seething
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he was going to hurt someone. And and that played
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out again at the trial. I mean, one of the
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poor things that you know, I knew. One of one
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of our missions, one of our objectives myself and the
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legal team to trial, was we said we have to
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put the jury the jury box in that subway car
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and let them, you know, see what these passengers saw,
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feel what they felt, since what they sent same way
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Danny had experienced all that and the bystanders, you know,
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because there was an attempt by the DA's office print
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as well. You know, yeah, he was you know, Jordan
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Neely was a bed you know, it was it was
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was saying things and he.
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But you know this, this is just another you know,
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guy on the New York City subway carrying on. And
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we had these witnesses come in again. You know, it
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was a black woman who who testified before the jury.
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She said, Look, I've been I've riding the subway for
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fifty years. In whole life, I've been personally accosted.
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On the subway.
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People try to sexually astall me on the subway. None
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of those incidents scared me like Jordan Neely scared me.
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Was very powerful and and her words were echoed in
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so many ways by so many other witnesses.
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Yeah, it was a righteous cause defending him, and absolutely
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was of course, you know, as we're talking about before,
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you you work with the system that is there.
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He certainly was no Luigi, was.
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He Yeah, yeah, and you gotta you know, you can't.
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There I think is a temptation to lump you know,
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criminal defendants or yeah, into the same box. Well, you
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know he did, you know, very different, very different facts
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and circumstances.
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Well, it surprises me how many people have defended Luigi
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and donated money to him as well. And of course,
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even though he was acquitted, Daniel Penny is still facing
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a civil law suit and you are involved in helping
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him with that as well. Tell us a little bit
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about that.
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Yeah, so you know a lot of people who you
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know aren't involved or follow the legal system closely, or
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aren't lawyers, don't realize that, you know, there are You know,
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there are two systems of justice. There's a criminal in
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the civil and you can have a situation where even
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though someone is fully acquitted, as Daniel Penny was in
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the criminal case, that you know, they can still face
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a civil lawsuit doesn't mean the lawsuit has Merit doesn't
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mean it's going to be successful. In fact, we're quite
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confident that it won't be in this case for all
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the reasons the criminal case wasn't successful but for the prosecution.
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But there's not an absolute bar on it. It's not
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a double jeopardy situation. The classic example is the O. J.
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Simpson case.
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Again, although I'm loath to mention O J. Simpson in
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the same breath as client. Utterly just a situations. But
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the point is that you know, these lawsuits you know happened.
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You know, sometimes they have merit, other times they don't.
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I would would say that this is an indication where
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the lawsuit does not have my merit, and uh, you know,
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I think it's snacks of opportunism among you know that
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that was uh, you know, driven by you know, some
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people with political agendas and some people just want to
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try to profit off a tragedy.
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Let's talk a little bit about the guy who started
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all this suff His name is Jordan Neely was it
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and uh he died?
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Now what did they rule the death was from?
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So you know, it's interesting because they originally, you know,
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they originally indicated it with with the original tops of
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reports that you know, cause I know, you know, you know,
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indicate a homicide. But you know, a homicide is is
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a in terms of forensic pathology, is a death by
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unnatural causes? All right, It's not a legal conclusion as in,
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you know, people try to quit it with murder. Homicide
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used in a different context in a courtroom has a
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different meaning. But you know, they were the original autome
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ser board, which we cross examined. My importner, Stephen raised
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their cross examined the city's medical examiner very adeptly on this,
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you know, confronted her with it, you know, waiting toxicology
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because they too, of course were under the uh, you know,
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impression that Jordan nearly made Overdose's what everyone believed that.
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And then within about twenty four hours they then amended
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their cause of death, which was long before the toxicology
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was back. And we you know, I think suggested, I
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think it was quite apparent that the medical examiner's office
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became politicized, just like the district attorney's office in this case,
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and basically yielded to you know, political pressure, both internal
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and external.
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Wow, now he had a long rap sheet, didn't he?
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And what does that tell us about our justice system
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in general? How many times somebody can be arrested and released,
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or if somebody has a mental issue and they put
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him on the street.
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What does that say about that?
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Well, it shows that it's an abject failure. And I
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don't think anybody even seriously will seriously try to argue
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differently unless they're really arguing their agenda. You know, there
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is they woke progressive criminal justice agenda that has taken
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hold in the city then includes a large contingent, by
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the way, that believed that no one should ever be
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sent to jail under any circumstances.
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Yeah, oh yeah, no bail. You just thought everybody.
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You'd like to, you know, say, well, you know those
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excreeness and they certainly are. But the reality is that,
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you know, once those quote unquote extremists have gotten such
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a hold of such a foothold and such influence that
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you can't really call him extremists anymore because they are,
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you know, within this political culture in this city and
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many others they represent. You know, at least something that
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has a viewpoint has become much more mainstream. I mean,
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as difficult as that can be for any reasonable person
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to wrap their head around, you know. So yeah, I
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mean Jordan Neely was in fact, they got a bench
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warn out for him for a felony assault he had
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committed on the subway against a woman in her sixties
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worried bast or facing Wow, he had fifty.
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Some odd other.
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Arrests in condation.
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Those only the offenses we know about.
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I mean, you know, people think that you know, any
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contact with the criminal justice system results in a record
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that's far from the truth, particularly in this town.
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And then more than that.
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You know, and these things are really, you know, in
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his case, were joined at the hip, as they often are.
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He was deeply psychotic. He was considered one of the
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most psychotic people you know, walking the streets because of
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paranoid schizophrenia, which of course is not his fault, you know,
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Jordan Neely. You know, the system in many ways failed him,
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perhaps you know, long before he saw the inside of
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a jail cell, he should have been institutionalized and gotten,
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you know, the psychiatric treatment that he needed. People in
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with paranoid schizophrenia can't self regulate that they need to
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be you know, dealt with in a custodial setting at
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least until you stabilize them, and then they need to
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be closely monitored. None of that was done here, And
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it's the story that's repeated day after day after day. Yeah,
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in a lot of big cities in America, certainly including
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New York City.
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Yeah, we have this catch and release justice system, if
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you will, and then we have a just let everybody
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out of the mental institutions. On the other side, many
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times we have as you point out, like in this individual,
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the two of those things converge, don't they. Well, it
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is an amazing case and certainly we hope that this
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works out well for Daniel Penny. Is there a go
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fund me for him?
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Yeah, there's a go fund me that's been set up
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for a while, has been very successful. It's been quiet
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lately because a lot of people just assume, well, you know, believe,
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yeahs over. But the reality is that he is still
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defending this civil suit. It takes a lot of resources,
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not just not just the lawyers, but the experts and
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all else. So yeah, yeah, I would encourage everybody to
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take a look at the go go fund me. I'm sorry,
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give send go not go fund And you know, even
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even though you'll see that he's raised a lot of
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money already, to understand that he's, you know, in the
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midst of.
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A second major legal battle.
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And you know, any anybody who can contribute is is
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doing a good thing for you know, someone to try
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to do and to do the right thing for others selflessly.
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Yeah, that's right.
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And of course we've had the new mayor of New York,
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Mom Danny has said that he wants to get more
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police out of the subway, and he wants to have
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citizens to take up some more. Response to that, I
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wonder who the next Daniel Penny is going to be?
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Well, you also wonder, you know how many Daniel Penny.
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Is we're going to have left?
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I mean, certainly because the system does so much through
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a probably not just prosecution like this, to deter you know,
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decent people, you know, good samaritans, you know, from standing
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up because they know that even if it goes right
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and they're able to protect people, they could wind up
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facing you know, the working end of the criminal indictment.
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So right, it's a terrible.
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Yeah, I have a situation where you step in the
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gap and you put your life at risk and you
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help people, and then the system comes after you. And
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when people look at that, they're even less likely to
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step up and do anything about.
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It, aren't they?
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Yeah? Absolutely, you know.
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And it's it's the you know, it's very difficult, you know,
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getting trying to change the system, trying to go up
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against the system.
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That's a lot of what Tooksido Parker is about my book.
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You know, it's it's the idea that you have a
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prosecutor but he's sort of because he's going against the
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grain of what the political establishment wants, is trying to
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protect their own you know, he winds up, you know,
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being not part of the system, but but but trying
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to fight.
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Against it to get justice.
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And you know, as I said before, you know, I,
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you know, I chose to write about, you know, things
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that live, things I've experienced. So it's a fictional book,
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but the themes that the protagonist is dealing with are
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ones that happen in real life, in courts, in in
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throughout this country probably beyond. And you know, it's it's
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it's it's an important theme. You know, somebody who is
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willing to try to protect others, you know, like a
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Daniel Penny, even at tremendous cost to themselves.
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Yes, yes, well sounds like a fascinating premis and certainly
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you know your stuff.
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The book is Tuxedo Park. It just came out yesterday.
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We noticed that it was available as an audiobook as well,
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so that's something for people to think about Tuxedo Park.
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And we're talking to the author here, mister Kenneth. And
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so your first name is Thomas, right, Yes, Thomas Thomas
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kennef as kay E n I F F. And the
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book is Tuxedo Park sounds like a fascinating premise for
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a book, and again you are somebody who has lived
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that experience. It should be a very interesting novel. Thank
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you so much for joining us.
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Yeah, thank you so much for having me, David. And
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you know the book is available on you know, really
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cross platforms. Amazon seems to be the place to go
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these days. We also have a great website, Tuxedo Park Book.
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Oh good, Yeah, we'll put that in the notes.
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Yeah, we have a there's a great book trailer on there,
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very cinematic, so that that in itself is worth checking.
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That's great.
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Go on there by the book Taxedo parkbook dot com
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or go straight Downazon. You know, this is going to
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be a very exciting read for anybody who loves the
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sort of subject matter that we're covering on your show.
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That's great.
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Yeah, it is always a wonderful for how ground for intrigue,
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isn't it in the legal system?
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It is.
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It looks like it's one of those Tuxedo Park Book
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dot Com. Thank you so much, Thomas Kinnef. Thank you
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so much for joining us, and thank you for what
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you did for Thank you for what you did for
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Daniel Penny as well. It's good to see justice served
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every once in a while, even if it's difficult for
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the people who have to go through it. I know
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it's an ordeal, even if you're quitted, but thank you
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for that, and I'm very glad that you were successful
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with that.
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Thank you so much.
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I appreciate it great being here.
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