Barrett Brown - Epstein And Thiel's White Supremacist Child Porn Spy Army

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to the website Oppermanreport dot com. You can leave a
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comment there. Barrett Brown has been on the show three
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or four times. Always incredible stuff.
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Man.
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This guy's been around forever, uh and got all the
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inside dirt on everything.
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Man.
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You can find them on Twitter, I guess said quote
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Twitter now x at Barrett Brown pro JP m over
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there at Twitter and then his substack is Barrett Brown
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at substack dot com. Mister Brown, are you there?
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I agree?
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How are you? How you feeling?
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I got It's been a bus a couple of months,
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a lot of a lot of going on with even
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for me.
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That's so true.
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Man.
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We tried to interview a couple of times at audio
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proms or had phone problems and then as soon as
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we hang up the phone, that's a new controversy. So
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I was going to have you why'd you remind the audience.
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So who is Barrett Brown?
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I was the Joheralds still on in the finish stints.
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Uh.
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And then we got became more and more upset with
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the the failures of the media, journalism that were basically
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allowing vast amounts of what was going wrong to go
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wrong and to begin with. And I got involved anonymous
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in ten twenty eleven, started my own little group before
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that that was intended to fix some of these things,
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and went to prison and eventually set a criminal and
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got outreached trip resumes and stuff. I spent a lot
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of time, folks, digging into the intelligence community, into nexas
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with with the media as well as just meaudia failure
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at large. Like, you know, I'm no more interested in
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Cisset working in an outlet that I am an editor
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taking out commas you know they shouldn't be taken it out.
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So uh. I see myself as a vigilante for the press, you.
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Know, Yeah, absolutely and fearless, you know, and you're not
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afraid to poke the big guys with a stick and
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the suffer the consequences, you know what I mean. It's
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which I had a lot of respect for that man, said,
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thank you very much for sticking your neck out.
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Problem.
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Yeah, okay, so now we have we had you on,
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We tried to have you on. It was a while ago,
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almost forty five days ago. In fact, it was right
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around May. You wrote this article called Epstein and Field's
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white supremacist child porn spy Army, and it got a
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lot of attention. Said, you're gonna come on and tell
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us about that, So why don't you tell us about
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that and then tell us what you discovered after?
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Yeah, so this is this is uh, this was an
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article I started reaching out about last year, but still
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in the UK, before I came here to Mexico. Started
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emailing some people I reached out to you before, people
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involved with the Intercept, people involved with a group called
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Vos Secrets, people who had worked with or on behalf
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of Weave and Andrew Arnheimer, the neo Nazi agitator packer
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figure that came to kind of came into public prominence
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in twenty twelve basically, and then from there on out
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became inexplicably an activist icon for several years before that
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fell apart, and I knew it was an important story
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because of the pushback which was unusually eaten from me
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from emailing, reaching out for comments to let's say people
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who's to work the intercept. Yeah, there were some weird
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threats I got. I'll look into that later. But basically
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so the article was about how Jeff Decilla, who was
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Peter Thiel's so it was right hand and he ran
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a lot of some soon as bicure capital firms for him,
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and he's a financial guy, aspires to be a let's
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say tactical or visionary guy, but probably doesn't have what
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that takes to accomplish that. Uh. Jeffter had written an
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article in the NATO NATO military journal s, the NATO
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sort of psychological warfare journal stratcom back in twenty fifteen,
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twenty sixteen, and he introduced Charles Johnson. He's talking about
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medicalic medic warfare as he calls it, and how here's
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some new methods for ISAIS, I think at the time.
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But there's always they're always using as an example of
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their al Qaeda is this or some other things they're
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not actually going to go after as a stand indol.
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They're actually gonna go after which is going to be
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the opposition domestically. So there's the article that go into like,
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you know, here's some, here's some here's Charles Johnson. He's
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a guy who's really good at psychological warfare. You know,
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he interfered with the US politics, which you know, the Array,
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and you know, here's the methods that he was proposed
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for going after Isaac and the methods they that he
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lists are We're very familiar when I read this because
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they are almost identical to the methodology laid out by Palincer,
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the firm run by Jeff to as boss UH Peter
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Thiel are founded by Gypsy's boss. The methodology that was
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discovered in twenty eleven when anonymous hack hpgary, which was
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working with Paliner and few of the firms on this
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team famous famous thing. This this psychological sort of black
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ops UH boutique, whether they're catering to Bank of America
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and US Chamber of Commerce and the d o J
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was putting anybody in touch with each other and they
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we're gonna go they were gonna go after wiki leaks
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and unions and the enemies of the US Chamber of Commerce,
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all these things using extremely illicit, dishonest UH methods, but
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wish to discredit them uh and uh. I thought it
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was remarkable that you know, here a few years after
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this thing, this whole team thing is staying exploding, becoming
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a big press story, Congress or some of Congress trying
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to investigate it, so forth. So they had the audacity
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to repeat much of the same tactical language in this
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NATO journal, claiming it was something they thought up to
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go out to Isais, when of course they had thought
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it up and almost they tried to implement it to
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go after the opposition in the US Democrats, journalists, unions,
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so forth. Now the article, so the article takes goes
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from there and examine what was going on behind the
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scenes during that time in twenty fourth we'll say, let
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me put this way, by twenty fourteen, although this happened earlier,
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I can't really get into the details of it yet.
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Peter Thiel had met with and hired Weave, this neo
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Nazi fellow that I knew back in two thousand and
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seven at the secretag Ramerica. Secondagerdica was a website sort
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of wiki that compiled a lot of the more interesting
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novel aspects of Internet culture, particularly four Chan, which since
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become well known for various reasons, and they had hired
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him to do a number of things, one of which
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was to reach out to Papal fourteen hell biggest simple
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I'll put this way. They had hired it to do
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a number of things. The main thing that he ended
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up doing, uh, in conjunction with other other Peter Tel
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employees and uh, you know, directly and indirectly was to
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help create the alt rights. Uh. It was to helped
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take four chan, which is already already getten ruse to
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us the anonymous sort of left anarchist, libertarian what do
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you want to call it? Popular fronts online movements that
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have been involved as using revolution, that have been involved
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in exposing powers to begin with blah blah. Uh take
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that four Chan and it's it's methodologies, it's dynamics, and
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use those same dynamics to create something for Peter Tiel
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as well as something attacking Peter Peel as we had
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been and it is they'd been very successful to create
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the alt right him Milo. Uh you know me and
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I bliss you know how whatever will describing this? Uh?
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So I to that they they went on and created
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gamer gates oversaw these things. Uh, and it looks like
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they oversaw QAnon and so the article just sort of exploited.
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It goes into how the Flints, Michael, you know, Michael
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Flynn's brother, Jesse Flynn, his other brother his name is Straction,
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made the Wilship Palinger. Uh, how they interconnect into this
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big network. It's kind of serodol we'd or at least was,
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but it was funded by Peter Juicia, sorry Jeffucia and
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uh and which has not been able to explain itself
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as time has gone on and as some of these
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things have come to lights, and so it's the article
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is about to put it simply about the secret kind
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of warfare it's been conducted since about twenty eleven, using
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four chan Uh, using Epstein and Peter Thiel's connections in
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the taigance community and using their their ability to reach
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out and hire people like weave or moot. We've gotten
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our fortunate and uh what what that is? What that
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is entailed, how the press has been used to cover
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up cover up for it after the fact, and how
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that's still going on today.
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You mentioned a couple of things, Okay, One is that
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the Flan and Palan was behind q What do you
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how do you come up with that theory, which I
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agree with right like me to.
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Come up with it. This has actually been kind of
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the h the accepted consensus among real researchers for for
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a while now. Uh. In fact, even among the right
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early on. The thing is that they just didn't do
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They didn't they didn't do a good job of hiding it.
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They didn't have to. So so the main element of
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that is that so so pull slash p o l slash.
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It was a form on a mini form on foshand
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that was created to n A twenty eleven around the
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same time that Epstein met with Christopher Poole Moot, the
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founders of Curator of Form. That is where over time
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a number of individuals who were at four chan or
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helped a run four chan that included We've included a
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lot of Weave's friends, and included a guy called Foxnett
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whose real name is Bill Hollamont out of Ohio, a
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bunch of people who have been involved in a chance scene.
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You know, not just four chan, but twelve chan, which
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which ran a lot of let's say Japanese style animated
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child pornography, essentially seven chan simple. These guys who came
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out of the scene and who were they all for
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inconnected and friends with weave from way back and friends
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of each other. They were in a position starting to
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twenty eleven, around the time that f scene and separately
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Peter t were becoming quite aware of how much power
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lay in these in these neat dynamics, the Internet and
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anonymous Fortune and all that they were in a position
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to UH oversee this whole operation of quh sorry yeah,
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Q and on h q Andon started at Pole on Fortune,
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but with the professor. Let me, let me let's be
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easier if I go back a little bit. Let's talk
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about gamer gate first, because it engaged on the same lines,
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the same origin points and the same and traverse the
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same online space in the same way on the same people.
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So gamer Gates started at Pole Unfortunate and went on
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to UH and it was curated overseen by Milo by
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We've by We've's friends like again Bill holl them on
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this guy called bucks met uh and UH if you
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feel the feel of the seal employees and deal hires UH.
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And then it moved on from Fourtune to something called
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eight chan, which is run by Frederick Brennan. UH. That
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same pattern would be replicated two years later with QAnon
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started at poll created by the same people, although a
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little bit more quietly this time, and ended up an
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eight chance for reasons we don't understand. But I don't
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at least in terms of like why why that was
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the protocol? But in both cases, I mean it did.
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It had just been oh, this movement, this weird kind
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of far right movement has started here and ended up here.
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In a second one bit as well, that would not
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be enough, we think, to be convincing that we had something,
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that we really had a that we could take and
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use that information to draw conclusions about participants and so forth.
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But because there's also the same individuals were involved, sometimes
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in a clandestine fashion and sometimes openly as a mile
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low and gate, so both we have a lot more
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and we also have testimony from people who were involved,
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who were around the time, and so that testimony for
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the most part, has not been reported on. It's not
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really understood by a lot of people who would report
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on it for most outlets, and a lot of it
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is very much inside baseball. It's not something I would
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I would, you know, I would I would want to
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go into myself if I were not obliging to do
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so even learn about you know, who's the dantic guy,
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who is who are these weird little furries? What's up
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a furry pool? And blah blah. It's not a fun
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thing to look into. But the bottom line is that
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ultimately the totality of the evidence is such that no
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one uh search or defend their findings, uh is convinced
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of any any other uh, any other thesis than that
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the flends Peter Thiel's operatives were even particular and four
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Chan and eight chair administrators there were stepped to create
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and curate a radicalize far right for Trumps, to put
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Trump office and to keep them there.
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Now, what about Code Monkey and his father Watkins? What's
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how deeper they involved?
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connections to so the people involved Frederick Brennan, eight Chan
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and so forth for different reasons. And without going into
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the Pacific because I hate this part. I've been. I've
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been people have tried to get into look into these
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guys for years and years and send the information about him.
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I was just I was against it. Just this is
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an interesting to me for someone you know, uh So,
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but without getting a specifics. It looks very much as
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if H. Watkins and or Schollenberger were chosen at some
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point early on to be Uh. This is a very
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essentral element of all these kind of operations these days,
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to be the not just a fall guy, but to
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serve as a means of fracturing the consensus as to
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what this was and where it came from, which I
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mean that it would have been it would have been
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too likely, or at least the operation would have been
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too susceptible to analysis early on with a clear consensus
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at to who was involved and who created this thing. Well,
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they're not some red Herricks, and both of those fellows. Uh,
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from what I can tell, we're very well chosen in
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terms of being potential patsy for this operation. Uh, they're
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both a little bit I'll just say that dum cranks. Uh.
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They are not hugely accomplished that at explaining themselves or
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explating themselves. And both of them have some weird you know,
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I would say, have some unusual connections so forth, including
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the to the the actual conspirators involved, you know, you know,
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such that they were. Uh, he's very easy to h
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for Let's say Aubrey Cotta, Katanner, he's none of hacker
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good lack with weed goes back to twelve chan. This
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this weird pornography, uh, you know change for like four
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chan goes back to fox Net from the comparitors. This guy, uh,
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starting in about twenty twenty, was able to arrange for
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Mother Jones, the Atlantic, yeah, and other outlets and some
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documentaries here and there to uh take their narrative that
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you're creating that that uh that you know QAnon was
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created by these other guys that they kind of knew
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and had kind of run into eight chan. Roll with
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that and portray them, portray Pabriy Coddle for Tanner and
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Frederick Brennan a great chan as these great new heroes
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who had risen to fight the alt right, opposed q
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Andon and so forth. And it's a ridiculous narrative, uh
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that there's no scrutiny. What's love us? And if you
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see the Atlantic article that I mentioned in my article,
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how that what the Landing article says and what it
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doesn't say, Like it leads out that mentions Brennan was
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you know, briefly taken in by the Altright, but he
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was able to cure that somehow blah blah, his website
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did it to him a chan uh, and then goes
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into QAnon doesn't mention that. QAnon just or just stated
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at forts and then moved on to his website eight
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chan does not mention that, which is a huge omission.
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We're talking about both eight Chan, Anthety Brennan and qbanon.
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And the article was written by guide in Jel Baron,
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who goes way back with these same people, and Atlantic
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was owned by the publisher was a good friend of
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Vigie say In Maxwell. Anyway, Yeah, so this is a
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as you can tell, it's a very colorful interconnecting story
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that really takes a good deal of familiarity with unfamiliar
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subjects shortid subjects quite thankly to really follow through with. Uh.
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But at this point I was in was by saying
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this the involvement of London mainstream outlets again Mother Jones
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on the left, Atlantic on the dumbson, Uh. That makes
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it makes me and helps him ensure that there's a
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huge portion of the press of the information apparatus that
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has after the fact, at least it reason this very
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strong impetus not to see this re examined in a
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way that showed that they themselves were complicit. Uhpreation of
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this and the protection of this right.
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That makes sense. You know, you should really do a
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sub stack on this, you know what I mean, because
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I think a lot of people would appreciate your perspective
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on this, and because it's all over the place, man
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like everybody's and nobody seems to really have it right.
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Two quick questions that won't move away from it, Okay,
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code monkey and uh and Watkins. Are they complicit or
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they whether are they voluntarily jumping on a hand grenade
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or they just dupes?
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I actually don't know, I have I have no I
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have no opinion on that. It's simply because I'm sort
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of repentant on some other people, other researchers who are
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more bill burst with them, uh regarding that whole partly
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regarding their role and so forth. Well I've seen I don't.
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I doubt that they were. I doubt that they I
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see no reason to believe that they were complicit. I
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think that they were put in that position. But again,
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so it's hard to say.
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And how deep was Milo involved and I've never really
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heard him connected to it as much as you are now.
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Yeah. So mylo actually one of those guys that I
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didn't really know much about, didn't really actually have much
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interesting in He came out and he came to public
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view WHI was in prison and gamer game. I missed
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all that stuff too. I had to kind of roached
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out of the fact. So I never really looked into
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him much and had much interested in until recently. But
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he his main role as far as I can tell.
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So Miles also one of the people that I reached
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out to on behalf of this London outlet when I
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was first when his first commissioned to write this article. Uh,
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he asked for comments along with Peter Thiel to see
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you Alan Dersher sometimes up here but here and there
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uh because again this is mainly about Peter Teal and
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Epstein and that their uh, the their partnership that that
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we now know about through the release EPs and emails
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for example, with SO and Milo, I like everyone else
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U except for tour Eckland, the lawyer for Peter Thield,
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the guy who represented Weave and then became lawyer for
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Peter or Teel's other projects. Besides, we've critic be Ai,
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which we've worked on. He responded, you know, he had
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no issues with anything in the article, did not correct
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anything incorrect. But besides that, no one responded. So I've
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mentioned that because it's worth it's worth knowing that there
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is no there is no uh counter argument to any
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of this. Uh. They give me the opportunity, they have
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decided not to take it. Uh. Anyway, So Milo his role,
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as far as I could tell, was to be, you know,
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a face and I think a more palatable face to
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a certain part of the center of the US and UK.
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In so far as that he was, you know, he
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was anti woman but also gay and so not a
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heterosexual man depending on women. Again that that may be
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uh as weird as that sounds. That may have been
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the psychology behind having mylo involved. But Milo's Gaborgate role, Uh,
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it's something that you know, that that's that predates me.
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I mean, that's that's that I think I was hidden.
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I don't know a whole lot about the specifics of it.
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I wrote about my little little bit in this article. Uh.
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In so far as he was connected to these documentaries
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and to Gamergate, along with a few people like Fuctionet, uh,
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that it brought and so forth and eight chance. I
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don't know a lot about the guy. I mean when
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he responded to me initially gave me I email address
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to send the article to diod respond after that, and
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then when the article was out, I just went back
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and said, Hey, by the way, your book, that book
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of yours, someone said it to me, someone sent me
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a portion of it, of the the initial uh, because
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the initial write up you did you have a publish
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when I was in prison, and I remember it because
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it was kind of weird, Like it's kind of like
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he took your tweets about like, oh women hate me
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because I'm dangerous and like so you can make a
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whole book out of it. I just wanted to touted
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guy over his book because it often he got offered
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twice as much money for his book because I did
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my book and he was parted. It sold through two
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thousand copies. You know, when you probably true, you know,
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I don't think that will with my point anyway to model.
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I don't really know what to go. He's weirder.
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Okay, a couple of things. It sounds like you stepped outside.
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Your audio is a lot better now than it was
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when you were before. When we first started talking. So
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whatever you're doing, keep doing it. Okay.
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They didn't necessar anything no more tho I was mumbling
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up marlow right.
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Well you sound you sound great. Your audio sounds good. Now, okay,
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now a couple now you mentioned a few times along
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with this weave fellow, a fellow named foxnet f u
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xn et right, and he sent me some messages on Twitter. Okay,
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so I'd like to read one to you. This is
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the first one he sent me away back in April nineteenth. Okay, Hey,
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I saw Barrett is going to be on your show soon.
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Do you plan on asking him about any of the
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damning new evidence of Barrett's longtime involvement with FBI assets
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that have been revealed through his Barrett's leaked email archives.
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So what is your response to that?
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That's that's funny. So yes, about late last year, around
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the time I was emailing a bunch of people that
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are close to fuction that and to distribute dit of secrets,
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which another organization is very unhappy that I've been coming
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on your show. That that group that he's attached to
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put out my email archive, my emails from two thousand
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and six to twenty twelve. This is part of my
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criminal discovery, and I gave I gave this to the
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d US in twenty nineteen. Back Wound still thought it
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was an actual transparency group because I was a little
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bit naive and they didn't, you know, the intention with
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the intense was for them to take out the personal
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stuff and the women's nudes and so forth, and the
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rest of it publicly as a searchable archive. There's lots
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of stuff in there involving yeah, involving the FBI, involving
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intelligence five FAG or so forth. Instead of what they
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did was they didn't put it out at all until
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last year when they put it out and focused on
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the sexual and women stuff and started reaching out to
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my ex girlfriends in an effort as they do being
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run by former Israelian intelligence contractor IM the Best slash
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Michael Best slash Daniel Burnett. They you know, tried to
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intimidate me into not pursuing the story further. Now, this
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is this is unusually even for me. It's very unusual
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for before the fact, right, so, reaching out regarding an
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article for there to be a threat, which mean by
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an next girlfriend in this case Nammy Colden, who I
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was dating in London and we used to work for
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I saw hrom Rickey Lakes before jeffan Ship. The whole
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thing is unusual, which is why she's a great story.
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So he's correct, Bucks that Bill Holloman of Ohio is
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correct that I did interact with quite a few FBI accents,
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starting in about twenty ten when the first one came
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into my internet, really a chat server that I had
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for Project PM, the group that I found with Michael Hastings. Uh.
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He's incorrect that there's anything in those emails that shows
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that I was collaborating with the FBI, and that should
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be pretty clear given I went to prison, and also
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given that no one other than fuction net has made
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that claim ever. Uh. But I mean people people, people
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checked themselves, and the function net at fox Net on
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Twitter he has for the last several months. Uh, he
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has been kind of a one man curator of my
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emails and has put out I would say, sometimes in contact,
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sometimes less so uh. Uh exit my emails with me.
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In writing with Neil Rohouser, for instance, at the Younger
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House was an FBI asset worked as Adrian Lamo, the
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guy who turned in Chelsein Manning, and he chatted me
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up quite a bit in those days, sometimes in are
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threatening ways, sometimes not. And I didn't know he was FBI.
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I just started as a weirdo at that time. He
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has said he plays a role in this article as
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well as I was fox about, which I'm sure he
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forgot to mention. Uh, he's mentioned in there, and he
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plays a role in the next one I'm working on
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right now. Suppice to say, he is an interesting character
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who probably didn't even come in contacted me over my
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uh do things I was doing initially, as in before
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I got involved with Anonymous. This guy come into my
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server to try to dull my group. It was because
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of Michael Hastings, who intend had already gotten on the
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radar of a number of intelligence outfits by virtue of
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having essentially been the first, the first person in history
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to force out a sitting a US commander in an
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Ongolong war. That mean General Michael Crystal as a charge
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General General mc Crystal in Afghanistan, who Hastings took down
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by his Rolling Stone article about a cancer and how
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the wold was blown about the crystals disregard for civilian
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commands anyway, So there's obviously a lot of backstory here,
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and uh.
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If anybody had I've never known Barack brounted to hide from.
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A question or you know.
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It's the title of his book is by Glorious defeatas
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of you, like, I've never got to hide from something.
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So if you have something, you know, come to me.
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I'll ask him. I don't think he's afraid to answering,
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but just come to me, you know, look at adult respectfully,
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you know, and I'll bring on. I'll pass it on.
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In fact, the entirely of my emails from from twelve
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that period can be downloaded from should give you a
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Secrets on their website. For some reason, they almost check
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it out themselves.
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Look, well, there you go and get his an Amazon
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owners all this stuff. But now the thing is too
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It's very interesting you mentioned the stuff with the ex girlfriends,
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because I had to run in with this bunch too
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that are connected to this, the same kind of q
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Andon crew and and even one fellow is National Security Agency.
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And they went to all my they went through all
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of my online any woman that liked a picture of me,
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and they hunted each one down to ask them about me,
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trying to dig up there it on me, so that
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that's definitely a thing that's out there too as well.
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Now absolutely now, but now all of this now because
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he also sends me some stuff to about Peter Jukes.
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I guess who is the editor from this publication. You
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have concerns about this publication that publish your article, the
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Epstein and the old white supremacist child porn spying Army.
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Since that article has come out, you have concerns? Am
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I correct?
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Yes? Absolutely, Actually I started the game before it actually
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came out. The version of the article, the virsion of
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the article is on my pen post on Twitter. There
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the projet p M p R o j A p
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M full that was the one I listened to vote
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for them. And this is weeks and weeks ago, yes,
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and uh, weeks and weeks going back and forth. No issues,
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no questions, no like what does this mean? Or this
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will get assue? What's the difference? Nothing unresolved in that respect,
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as I'll show the next article, which is a non
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of this. But towards the end in April, at some
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point some things happened. Peter Drewson is the founder of
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Byline Times and who was a theater actor is a
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stage actor prior to fifteen years ago before getting a
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bunch of money to start an outlet by unusual means. Well,
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so he comes in and cuts a lot of the
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content that had already been discussed, approved, not objected to,
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and that content happened to relate to a few things,
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so much of an ongoing one of them was distributed
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now of secrets. The organization BUCKS that is involved with
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another thing was the g NAA, the Gay Inward Associative
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Association of America that we've had led some point and
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used to recruit people who would later on come up
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in some of these other bigger things over the years.
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And omen yar parent peerre Omendar and the Intercept and
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so calm we've is shown in the full version of
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the Yard or the divisional one as in twenty fourteen
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reaching out to the PayPal fourteen by a Mercedes Hyper
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and one woman I had gotten a lawyer for after
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related in order to discourage them, to discourage them from
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continuing to attack pr the Jar and continuing to warn
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the public that PMWR who was at that time funding
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the Intercept via green World in the Stone emails which
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are stowing documents to stop warning the public about PM
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the jar's actual role in all of this, which was
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as a target of Anonymous who had overseen the ongoing
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prosecution of people all in the US for engaging in
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a very low level, non substance of protest attack against
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PayPal's website in twenty ten in protests had been having
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led the embargo against Wiki leaks ole preventing donations from
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being made to wiki weeks it was for PayPal, no member.
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You could still make planations to the KKK through these
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science but not to Wiki leaks at this point. And
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so we have Weave. We had this leaks messages from
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with Weave, you know, explaining you know, first of all,
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been meeting with Olden, he's a great guy for and
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like some I many meeting with Peter Cheele's right hand
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next week, blah blah. And you know I'm starting I'm
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running it. I'm running a a financial firm. You know
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that comes up later, Uh, so on and so forth,
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and that that was all taken out. Uh. And so
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the problem here is as things developed, is that I
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have uh defect what's called defectors in some cases informants
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and other cases spies what do you want to tell them?
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I have a bunch of those in Christmas, and one
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of them, uh leaks to me. A phone call is
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made to him by a former Weave associate named Jackie, saying,
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who is the US US Army? She worked for s A,
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I see one of the farms that my group pudet
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PM used to investigate back in twenty eleven, twenty twelve.
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She works at the FDI, works for a department of
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HOMELD Security, and she now writes for Byline and in
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fact is involved with Byeline's annual festival going back a
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couple of years, and it just goes on from there. Anyways,
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there's a phone call in which she is yelling at
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this guy. She is she is upset, she is shaken,
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she is understandably concerned that I was being allowed to
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write for Byline about this subject which she had just
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gotten out about that, and so the enso recording and
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I'm starting to think, you know, I wonder how many
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other intelligence and police assets are involved at Byline. That
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would have been would have been a big con Peter
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drews and said, Hey, some of this stuff in here,
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they probably would have said, this makes us look back
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it would have said, oh, this is not true or something.
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Who knows. But the bottom line is that the answers
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I got, Competer Jewkes and the other editor there did
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not up even on our own terms. They contradicted our
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actually email exchanges regarding the editing process, and as time
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went on surus out. Wasn't just Jackie Singh who worked
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on my case. By the way, watch on my twenty
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eleven twenty twelve investigation, she had afraid of punch PM.
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She's in my emails. She publicly has claimed that we
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have never never met, never ready contact. We were raised
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to have an affair in New York City twenty eleven,
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as put in my emails, which come from the FBI,
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not for me, and which the DUS speakers. By the way,
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she claimed these were all forgeries. Again, that was not
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a well advised claim to make it because again that
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puts her to the extent this goes forward, which it won't.
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She's kind of you get assume me she's not going through,
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but if she would, it would basically put her at
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loggerheads with her own employer and the FBI have basically
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put it into where she has to claim that the
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FBI forwards evidence in my criminal case. Well, roundly strategy,
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roundly attacked across the world, every present organization of the injury,
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oh blah blah. And but also just credit the Job
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of Secrets, which is an intelligence cutout organization run through
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so Calm and other other other entities. So the whole
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thing was a great giant car wreck between two elements
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of the intelligence police asset networks that I write about
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while they're in public with byline a pedestrian kind of
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getting hit by both cars. Uh, So that is it's
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really a good I have not s anything like it.
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In fifteen years of being in complicated with these kinds
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of things, I never see anything so remarkably helpful a
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sort of funding a story as that.
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We're talking. We're talking. You can find Barret Brown at
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the Substack at his Barreck Brown substect. You can find
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them on Twitter at kee p R O J Piano.
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Now Barrett to play Devil's advocate, Is there any kind
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of what would Peter Jukes and byline? What what would
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they say that Barrett Brown's beef is, Oh, Barrett Brown
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has this other beef? What would they say?
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Well, what they have said publicly by the Twitter before
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they blocked me. Uh was that number one there? They
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that they said that the that the cuts were made
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because they went beyond the scope of the assignments. Uh.
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The problem is the assignments in my emails to me
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before and after the whole dispute, they uh praised it
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several different ways. They said it was about Peter Deal
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Weave and you see your uh Teal Epstein and we've
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and what was the other thing, Teal and Weave, And
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none of those really really helped to explain why Charles
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Johnson could be in the arbor and five other people
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studied Brennan. But video secrets and this gena agrew which
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Jackie sing was in by the way, as not and
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logs and as recorded in twenty one while that was
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taken out weeks weeks and weeks after we had discussed
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this at length and they had said this is great,
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so deep help. So they have a couple of different
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uh thanks, a couple of different uh express viewpoints on
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this off all the day that do not tend to
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add up at all, even without seeing my emails, even
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without seeing our our email correspondence regarding the article. And
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that's going to get worse, and people do see those
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things and the other other issue. Oll bit this way,
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I made a demand within a few weeks ago upon
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learning who else works for Byline and who else is
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attached to it, who else is advising them, and how
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many of those people have been involved since twenty eleven.
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Uh in many cases in the last six years, in
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trying to get me arrested by their own by their
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own admission. Uh So we now have the entire short
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of logs back several years of a discord server or
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by Jim Stepartson, who's a guy who was very close
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to both the editors. They they routinely we tweet him,
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they talked to him. They take his bias on board.
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We have screenshots from a few weeks ago Jim Stepartson
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uh as seeming to sort of had to have some
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control over what Byline does. And he's the one, he's
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the one who who Yeah, in a way that I think,
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yes he is that he is that Sam person and
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he and he's a nail intelligence cutout as his native
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in the server logs. Uh. He in twenty twenty one
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was telling somebody this Barrett Brown guy, he's a dangerous
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psycho and he's going back to prison prolong for good reason,
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and he's after out to get Neil Rohauser. Neil Rohuser
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was at this point. Jim Stewartson's partner is the Central
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Asset Infra Guard member, along with Jackie Singh who worked
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in my first case and has since been involved in
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other things around that same subject matter, including trying to
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get me rearrested and getting my asylum did in the
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UK disrupted, which he almost did but didn't quite anyway.
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So we have a bunch of people who write for
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the outlet, including James Patrick, a former Scotland the Artificial
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who also worked with Neil Rauhauser, and this Aubrey Kattle
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Katanner guy. We have a few others along the same
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month writing for the outlet or adjacent to it, influencing
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it and hanging out with Jackie seeing other contributors and
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the editors. So in terms of who told Peter Jewkes
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to make the cuts to the article, the problem is
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it could have been seven or eight people because one
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of the other distrepancies in their public claims, which is
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that only Peter Jukes and the fees I met the
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investigations editor, the only ones who edited the article. That's
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contradicted by their emails in which they prefer to be
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edits woryal team, which it makes some changes, and this
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whole team. We don't know who's on that, but I'm
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gonna go and assume that, uh, it's gonna include or
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be adjacent to some of these people who we have
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a great lengths over the last few years, uh overseeing influencing,
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making decisions for byline times in their capacity, uh, in
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their capacities as FBI assets, CIA contractors, uh and so
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on and so forth and as as and it's documented
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uh curators of Weave and Peter Chiel's projects. So it's
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a mess. It's a weird mess, and almost done the
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other thing. But there's just it's it's it's such a
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remarkable Uh. It's just a remarkable confluence of uh, major issues,
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you know, major problems and the people around them all
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kind of coming together in this weird, this weird head
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on collision you know, that have been solding through the
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last few weeks and hopefully was done. Okay.
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A couple more questions, uh with d d O S
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claimed that they had some top secret exsteain emails or
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files or something, and they were vetting out journalists and
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who are doing give it to whatever happened.
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To that, I don't know. I would say that it is.
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It is very typical. Yeah, but one that one that
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long ago it was. It is very typical for a
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asset network like that, as I call it an asset
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influence network. Aout the best uh term sort of coin
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price of coin for this. But it's very typical for
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them to engage in some visible uh faints against a
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shared enemy in order to make it look what make
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it less likely one will suspect that they are actually
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part and parcel of that enemy. So for instance, if
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you're if you're undercover and you're you're joing the you know,
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late sixties and I War moments, yeah, you'll you'll, yeah,
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maybe throw a through a window at a Cooper draft
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office or something like that to be, you know, to
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give the impression, look, I'm one of you. I'm taking
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overt step against the common enemy. The thing is that
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you know, in a lot of instance where we have
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later on documented one hundred percent and they've admitted being
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an asset, being working with a totally trynating from and
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blah blah, Uh, they always do that. They will, they
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will at least claim or even go through the motions
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of uh taking a substance step against the enemies that
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they actually worked for. So with this this Epstein emails
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thing of the GDOS, I have not listen to that,
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as much as I would like to have, I probably
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should have. I would say that there's a guy about
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He's who was found dead in twenty twenty two. Uh.
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We used to work with him on regarding Epstein, Deusia, banks, Trump, Russia,
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a number of things that he was investigating for Congress
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and to the FBI. He joined up. He was he
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was adjacent to and worked with some of the the
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U S secrets as well, because I could do with
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us before the split a code before we kind of
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figured out what it was. And he also, as we
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can show by emails he sent me at that time,
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was tasked with finding Epstein's email accounts and passwords. In
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twenty nineteen, he was tasked by David Nrick of The
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Ork Times to do that. So I've got a long
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long list in my pros on mail account from back
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then h of email addresses and possible passwords to Epstein's accounts,
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real time. So it's possible. Yes, Uh, it's possible. They've
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come from him. It will take or who knows. I mean,
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I can't say one or the other. That would really
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have to be looked at by someone with more time
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than I have.
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And by now those passwords would be changed by now, right,
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they wouldn't really good.
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Well I don't know. I mean, uh that that's that's
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a question. Who would change them and to what extent
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I'm not even sure. Which is then he got in
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tow with any like he did not share a lot
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of measure with me. I don't even recall why he
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gave that to me to begin with at the time,
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And you know, I'm it's the kind of thing that
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I would have preferred not to have had an intense Yeah.
767
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There's a lot of stuff out there, man, that doesn't
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make it to the Epstein cottage industry.
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Uh.
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That's uh, low hanging fruit that's all over the place.
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Let me ask you a question. You brought up like
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the sixties and Cointel pro type and stuff like that.
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Are you ever concerned because you know, remember like the
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Smith papers, like they would infiltrate leftist groups and sa, hey,
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this guy's an agent. This guy's an agent to stir
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up dissension. Are you ever concerned that maybe you're being
777
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led down the wrong way sometimes?
778
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Well, that happens all the time, yeah, Professor Lord Billy Uh,
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there's Lord Billy Uh. I mean, there's there's a number
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we already we know of after the fact, and sometimes
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you thought not doing the fact. I mean Aubrey Cattle Contanner,
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the guy who worked with was promoted by this group
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Ego Secret and promoted by the Atlantic and promoted by
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Mother Jones all that as he as a left wing
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hero who was inspired by Black Lives Matter and whose
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of course is actually a long time we associated with
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racist and anisthematic posts and worked black face and ran
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a trap run a child porography uh chant back in
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twentsand and seven, and admitted to have later on admitted
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to having to over senior honey trap trap trap. Well
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defends he was brought into my server in twenty one
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of my signal group that the FBI was spying on,
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and it took us a few weeks of course figured
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out what he was, but would be dead, you know,
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he was after my arrest in London, you know, twenty
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twenty one Uh, you know, it became clear that you know,
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not just him, a few other people tied to him,
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we're engaged in that exact same thing. Uh. It's an
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ongoing thing. It's not something that we've worried about might
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happen someday. It's an ongoing thing that happened and were
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we when we detected early enough that you know, going
802
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with trouble is caused, and sometimes a lot of trouble,
803
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you know, sometimes there's there's there's consequences because there the
804
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one else you know.
805
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It, there's so much it really it just recently came
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out in the files, the deep connections between THEO and
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and Epstein.
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What do you make of that?
809
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And how come there's not more more discussion about it?
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I mean there have been a few articles even aside
811
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from mine, uh, since that cash of emails come out
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in January January this year, Uh, and there so that's
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been a little bit of focus on number one that
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I could teal had claimed had had lied and said
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he you know, maybe talked to him a few times
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here and they have read it. That's nonsense. Even from
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the emails are available from this one email account that
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Epste had of several uh, not counting signal messages, in
819
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person meetings, of phone calls. Quite clear that they didn't
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just happen to talk a few times. They were collaborating
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over many years on things like Brexit and things like
822
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Trump on their shared division of As Epstein put it
823
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in one email to them, I could brexit past, uh,
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return to tribalism, strange new alliances, lower interest rates. Uh.
825
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If you're I'm the rest of what you mentioned. The
826
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bottom line is that there's a lot there. I mean,
827
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I mean the what is documented in terms of Peter
828
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Thiel and Jeffrey Epstein and their collaboration. Just what is documented. Uh,
829
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this is what I've documented in this article should be
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enough to make it clear that the next person who
831
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denounces a hypothesis or factual information as a conspiracy theory
832
00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:44.159
needs to be just beaten the fuck up upurse.
833
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Sometimes you got man, sometimes you got it. That's not
834
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the word.
835
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But this is my radio voice. So the expense to
836
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which the major, the widely major problems or issues of
837
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the tjipporary life in the US and UK and elsewhere
838
00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:09.800
are are indeed very much the result or connected to
839
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:15.559
the machinations of several extremely undesirable billionaires with connections to
840
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:19.880
the intelligence community of the US, UK, Israel, elsewhere is
841
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no longer cannot be disputed. And the degree to which
842
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the press and elements thereof the dreads which they have
843
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prevented us, as other journalists, as researchers, as citizens from
844
00:47:31.639 --> 00:47:35.320
acquiring into these things until it was too late, is unforgivable.
845
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And to the extent we let let it happen again
846
00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:41.599
going forward, now that we have this material, and now
847
00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:45.280
that we have these arguments and that they have nothing, uh,
848
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:48.559
we should the extent that we fail to take the
849
00:47:48.639 --> 00:47:55.079
initiative and let's say, discredit and embarrass and intimidate those involved,
850
00:47:56.199 --> 00:47:58.960
we will have failed. We will deserve whatever comes next.
851
00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:02.840
So I think we we should have it would be
852
00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:07.320
a fine idea going forward to be extremely aggressive against
853
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:11.119
any other outlet or individual reporter or spokesperson or government
854
00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:19.119
official who continues to h and to mhm, try to
855
00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:24.199
discredit or embarrass or or you know, silence those people
856
00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:26.760
who are simply asking how much more is there? What
857
00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:29.119
else did they do? And how can we stop this
858
00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:32.679
get going forward? And that includes everyone I mentioned this
859
00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:36.199
in this interview and in those articles. That's their job.
860
00:48:36.440 --> 00:48:39.880
That's their Their job is to protect things that if
861
00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:43.679
they're not protected from scrutiny, if not kept secret, will
862
00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:49.199
result in I think insurgency. M hm.
863
00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:54.960
I wish that's a great ending to the show, and
864
00:48:55.239 --> 00:48:57.320
I would have. We've got a couple of minutes now
865
00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:01.440
from in the middle. But the thing is that do
866
00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:05.159
you think what do you make of Peter Thale's escape
867
00:49:05.199 --> 00:49:08.119
to Argentina And do you think he escaped to Argentina
868
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:09.960
to escape from Barack Brown?
869
00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:16.960
I got that, uh. I think the Alpaga reasons to
870
00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:20.159
be that worried. I mean, his people did little of
871
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:22.880
energy into trying to thwart this thing, and we got
872
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:24.920
lucky in terms of being able to thwart the mbers thoughts,
873
00:49:25.039 --> 00:49:26.880
charts of this article coming out and so forth. But
874
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:31.239
I have no idea what to make it him. It
875
00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:34.400
could be several things. It could be an actual concern about,
876
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:37.360
for instance, being died in the US on something which
877
00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:42.599
is a claim privately by some people who were close
878
00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:47.880
to him, but who also are perhaps not very reliable
879
00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:51.199
in general. It could be because he just wants to
880
00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:53.960
go ahead and start setting up shop elsewhere, having a
881
00:49:54.079 --> 00:49:56.599
place to retreat to should things take a certain kind
882
00:49:56.599 --> 00:49:58.519
of turn. Because again, this guy was not very visible
883
00:49:58.519 --> 00:50:01.880
for years and years, you know, uh, not a lot
884
00:50:01.880 --> 00:50:04.159
of the election. When the election that he really become
885
00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:09.239
known among journalists. And now he is very visible in
886
00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:13.440
connection to things that you know are not he's just
887
00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:17.360
defriend h. And so if he's smart, which I'm sure
888
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:19.199
he is, I mean he dipitarly is you know, he
889
00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:22.199
would set up he would have you know, more of
890
00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:28.400
a situated let's say, the treat base, not a very term,
891
00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:31.360
you know, something to run back to, uh if things
892
00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:34.159
go a certain direction, but happens to that, there's just
893
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:36.599
too many possibilities U with this guy. The dout has
894
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:39.960
the sm factors we don't know about, uh. And so
895
00:50:40.039 --> 00:50:43.159
he's making decisions uh based on information we don't have,
896
00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:44.800
and so we we can't really say.
897
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:47.920
And and the man has had a tragic life. He
898
00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:50.559
had a boyfriend or a former boyfriend who fell out
899
00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:53.159
a window to his demise. So you have to have
900
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:55.519
some sympathy for the fellow that has had a lot
901
00:50:55.559 --> 00:51:00.599
of trauma. Mister Barrick Brown, what a people want to
902
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:02.559
support your work man, They say, hey, listen, we think
903
00:51:02.599 --> 00:51:04.119
Barrett Brown and we want to we want to keep
904
00:51:04.119 --> 00:51:06.800
them above ground. How do they support you?
905
00:51:09.039 --> 00:51:11.119
Uh, well, it's been hard for many years because I'm
906
00:51:11.320 --> 00:51:14.800
not regally allowed to get money or to make money
907
00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:16.639
to work in the UK. But now that in Mexico,
908
00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:20.159
I said the substect thing, and so pretty soon and
909
00:51:20.239 --> 00:51:21.920
that's why we'll find this article in another while. I'm
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00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:24.119
bout Brookesman and some of the other people I talked about,
911
00:51:24.119 --> 00:51:27.360
like Jackie saying, Uh, you just got Barrett L. Brown
912
00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:30.159
on the subject. You can see it on my Twitter account,
913
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:33.960
which prag PN at least at the top. I'll start
914
00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:38.360
doing descriptions or whatever. Pretty soon, I guess. Uh, you
915
00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:42.639
know you can always USh you needing me money today? There, Well, no,
916
00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:44.239
I could get my phone very well. I'm just going
917
00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:46.599
to go together Subtect. I'll figure out why people just
918
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:47.599
pay the money, so you know.
919
00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:52.320
And also to you on subject, you can do your
920
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:54.719
own podcast too on Subsect. You wudn't even need me
921
00:51:54.920 --> 00:51:58.559
interrupting you when you're talking. This nice solo show.
922
00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:01.000
That is that is planned.
923
00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:03.760
Yeah, here you go, man, Barack Brown. I think that's
924
00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:04.760
our best enemy is so far.
925
00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:05.039
Man.
926
00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:06.920
I think it's like you really got on some good stuff.
927
00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:07.239
This time.
928
00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:09.880
I want to thank you again. And you know you
929
00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:11.480
always have an open imitation.
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00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:15.599
That a shout out to Bill Hallam out of Ohio.
931
00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:18.159
Hey your brother keep going.
932
00:52:18.559 --> 00:52:19.079
Yeah, there you go.
933
00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:20.239
You know.
934
00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:23.360
Unfortunately I had a mute. The guy man. Listen, I'm
935
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open to talk to anybody, and if.
936
00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:30.360
You have something, you know, he's very any time.
937
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:33.920
Up stuff, well, okay, down many. I don't like anybody
938
00:52:33.960 --> 00:52:36.199
to be upset. And yeah, I'd like to hear what
939
00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:39.000
you can say, you know what I mean. Yeah, I
940
00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:41.199
don't like people falling out of the windows. All right,
941
00:52:41.239 --> 00:52:43.440
my friend Barack Brown, thank you so much. Keep in
942
00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:45.280
touching me. You have something new, give me a kind
943
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of quote.