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All right, Andy Larson is live in studio, which is
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always fun.
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We'll do a little jazz little RSL whatever else comes
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our way. Andy, how are you buddy, get to see
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you good man.
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Yeah, it's it's uh, you know, jazz time. We're getting
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nine days away until the trade deadline. Yeah, uh, that's
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that's kind of top of mind for me. And then
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you know, going on this next Red Jazz road trip
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as well. And so yeah, you know, I watching the
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game last night, the BYU Arizona game last night was
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obviously an entertaining one too. So yeah, you know, it's
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just it's I think it's a good sports time of year.
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It is for sure.
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Now we'll let's do a little RSL right out of
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the gates, because when you joined us last you made
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a plea, uh to you know, let's sign some players.
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Looks like they have.
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I got our guy, Tommy scoops up, uh, Morgan gill Love.
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I have no idea rc lens yep striker five mil.
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They're paying that much for him A course, well, the
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fee is around five million the top. And this is
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all from Tom Boger, nothing official from the team. Twenty
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seven years old, twenty one caps with the national team
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and he is a striking player and a designated player.
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I have not been smashing rc Lenz tape as of late.
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I know nothing about this young man. Do you know
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anything about him?
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I really know.
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You know, the the midfielder signing again and you may
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have to help with the pronunciation there stein whatever, but
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I'll get there is another official. I think that one's
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official and is another edition. You know, looks like a
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center defensive midfielder. But my issue is basically like that
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these guys and again also not crushing Arci Lenz tape.
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So I don't know.
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But when you read the replies on like the rc
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Lenz Twitter page and read the replies on what it
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was a Bronbie's Twitter page or whatever, these guys previous
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fans are pretty excited that those players are leaving the team.
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And that's that scares me, right, Like when I see,
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you know, when Jazz fans celebrate Taylan Horton Tucker leaving
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and going to the Bulls, and Bulls fans are reading, Hey,
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what's going on? What did the Jazz things? Jazz fans
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think about Tana Horton Tucker, They might be right, Yeah,
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you know, and so you know, I saw one fan
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say like, I can't believe we got a three million
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dollar transfer fee for this guy.
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That's that's ludicrous.
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And in fact, if you go on transfer market kind
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of like this website that estimates transfer fees, you know,
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maybe this player should have been only worth one million,
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one and a half million. So I it's not been
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the kind of business that again, as a outsider who's
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not watching the film, it's not the business that I
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think ursal fans are going to get excited for until
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they are actual results on the field, for actual, real,
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real Salt Lake.
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All Right, I believe it's Morgan g lvogi. That's I
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think that's what it is. And I'm learning a lot
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of this in real time, so soccer fans, I'm a
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little basketball and football centric rsels starting soon.
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Sixteen matches last year, uh a goal?
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Yeah right, like and and so you understand why the
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Lens fans were probably like, you know, I'm completely fine
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to sell this guy for five million dollars one goal
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mm hmm okay, and you know, not all those appearances
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were starts, but yeah, you know, like, and that's what's
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so disappointing is is you look around MLS and you
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do just see teams acquiring proven talent.
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And we know RSL has the money to pay for
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proven talent.
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And these are shots, you know, and and maybe we'll
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see maybe these shots will work out.
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Certainly they have sometimes in the past.
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But I will say the last what three designated players
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RSLs signed have not gone well. And in fact i've
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all are leaving or have left the team. So it's
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the track record is as you know, if they had
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a quality track record, you could say, hey, you know
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in the front office and Jason, we trust. I don't
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know that that track record exists for RSL as it stands.
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So two years now, I have his entire stats up
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all right, two years with FC Lens last year one goal,
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the year before two.
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Okay, so three goals in two years.
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I don't know anything about PARISFC League two apparently in
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France better there twenty six goals in eighty two appearances.
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Look, I have zero frame of reference.
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RSL is a much better team than Paras f C,
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right like, and MLS is a better league than League two.
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I mean this has to be something where they believe
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they see something in him that they can unlock that
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has not been unlocked?
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Is that fair?
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Yeah? And look, I mean what I know about him
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is that he is a high work rate.
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Pressing forward Okay, and that's you know.
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That is still the model that RSL wants to play
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with is to try to get turnovers up the pitch
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and turn those into chain And I think, honestly the
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model has been decent over the last couple of years.
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I would say more two years ago than last year.
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But I think that is relatively sound. I don't know
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what the new coaching staff is adding in or what
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you know, obviously there's a new formation to play here.
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But yeah, like again, at some point, I look at
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RSL for the last eighteen months and I don't see
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a team that has underperformed its talent. I see a
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team that has probably overperformed its talent and still is
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barely squeaking into the playoffs.
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So we signed the guinea Willia Gatta? Is what we did?
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Is that what this is pressing for?
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I don't know, I mean, will you Gotta, I don't
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even know that he was that good at pressing all right.
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Stein Spearriens is the other player. His name is Stein Speiriens.
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He is a defensive holding mid right and so that
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essentially is to step in and fill the void of
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of were Brian Ojeita because they also got we used
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to have so many Brian's, now we have no Brian's.
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So Oheita is now in Orlando, so this is like
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basically to fill in for him.
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Correct, It seems like I mean just positionally what he
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does on on the field is is defensive midfielder stuff,
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you know, and we getting the chance to see him
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play in preseason RSL action again another player that their
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fans were not disappointed to see go, which is again
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another concern. But you know, it is absolutely a spot
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that RSL needed to fill. I don't think it was
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enough to go with just Annelly and Ruiz and you know,
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the the the depth that they have there as is.
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They signed a center back to that you and I
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have not talked about because again they moved on from Ojeeda,
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so they need yeah, yeah, and and very excuse me,
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so they they did sign a center back.
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Do you know anything about this? This player can't? Is
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it Lucas Angles?
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Lucas Angle, Yeah, yeah, I played for Scinnati actually was
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really good at Cincinnati.
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Their fans are said that he's gone, so that's a
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good sign. Yeah, hey how about that?
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I actually think this is a pretty clever acquisition that
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they They did in the waiver draft, which is one
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of MLS's weird rules, but they had to pay for
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a fee.
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Was at Burnsmith or I can't remember where he was, but.
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last middle Middlesborough, thank you played pretty well, so I think,
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you know, and he's basically a left back or center
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back or left center back and a back three. I
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you know, this is actually the up to the acquisition
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that I think URSOL fans can be most confident in, okay,
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because he has proven track right record of playing well
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in MLS.
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So we got three new players, a forward who had
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two goals over the past two years, three goals over
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the past two years, central defensive mid and a center back.
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Jason was on the show last week and teased the
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potential of five signings, so maybe there's two more.
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Have you heard anything at all because I have not.
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I have not.
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Okay, all right, there you go, all right, moving on,
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moving on to little jazz stuff. What's most fun right
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now for you, is it the Nurkic triple double stuff?
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It's Will Hardy winning one hundredth game. What's the most
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fun storyline right now with the Jazz?
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I mean, I think it's still to me Kyante growth
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Kiante coming into being a real star player, right Like, Look,
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the nirkd triple double stuff is fun, but mostly just
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because the Jazz haven't had anyone with this level of
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triple doubles. It just kind of like serves to highlight
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how ridiculous that streak was for twenty years, Like, oh,
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it's Nurkic, who can got at the tripple doubles? Not
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Donovan Mitchell or Rudy Gobert or Gordon Hayward or Darren
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you know, it's it's it's Useuf Nurkic.
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But that's where we are.
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You know, I have been encouraged with what I've seen
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from Ace Bailey since coming back from the illness and
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uh and the the hip flexer, sorry I should say
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with him. So that's that's been encouraging. But and then
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you know what's not fun is the defense, right Like
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they are absolute garbage defensively. I don't think that's harsh
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to say they are the worst in the league by
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multiple points, you know, net rating points, and have been
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for the last couple of years. But in terms of
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the you know, the good stuff, it's it's you do
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kind of have a core here that you can imagine
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building around. You have Keante George, you have Lowry Markinen,
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you have Ace Bailey, and you have Walker Kessler, and
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you know at least what three of the four of
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those guys bring, and you're pretty confident eighth Bailey is
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going to be a good NBA player.
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One day, were you surprised that Ace didn't make the
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Rising Stars roster? I mean, nobody gives a rip anymore,
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but I thought we'd see Ace in that game.
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I was surprised at first, and then it's been a
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minute since I kind of looked at the rookie stats,
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and so I looked last night, and it's a right call.
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Just you know, I think even you could point to
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another couple of guys that could have been selected over Ace,
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you know, like Will Richard and Golden State also is
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not going I think you know, Ace was held back
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by the illness at the beginning of the season. The
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hit flexer in the middle he's been held back. Frankly
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that Will Hardy chose to bention to start the year
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and then has kind of only slowly put him into
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the starting lineup.
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That he's having him.
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Play as a tertiary player in starting lineups, Like most
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of these young guys who are drafted in the top
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ten are getting the ball in their hands on a
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lot of plays and getting the chance to score a
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lot of points. And you know, and the fact is
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that Ace hasn't really done that, and when he is
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on the floor, the Jazz.
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Are significantly worse. Right, Like the plus minus.
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Ace Bailey in the starting lineup. And so you know, statistically, yeah,
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I don't know that there's an argument there. Do I
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think that he is not one of the top ten
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players in this class. I don't agree with that. But
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in terms of just you know, how the NBA has
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to choose these kind of things, it has to be
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production based, I think that's the right call.
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And I don't think you can.
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I think you can argue that he's top ten production wise,
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but I do completely understand why the NBA doesn't have
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him there right now.
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Your Vegas favorites to win Rookie of the Year as
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of now, it's still Cooper, although the gap has closed
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a little bit. Conker Nipple is still behind him. Then
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it's Bj Edge Clump. Every time I watch Bj, I'm
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like that kid. I was hoping he would fall. Derek Queen,
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even though the Pelicans are unseerious, said your coward. Jeremiah
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Fears and Dylan Harper are your favorites to win Rookie
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the Year as of now. What's what's your takeaway from
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this rookie class so far?
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I mean, it's it's one of the best rookie classes
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we've seen in the last maybe maybe the best in
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the last ten years. And I mean I think all
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of these guys are going to be high, high level contributors,
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if not stars. I mean, like you said, VJ Edgecomb
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rules so good. I'm kind of both ends of the court.
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defensively already a contributor and then offensively can take on
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some usage at times, which is which is cool for
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the Sixers. Obviously, Cooper Flag has been awesome in Dallas.
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We saw kind of the best of him in his
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forty point game in Utah Konko Nipple. There's an argument
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he's been a better rookie than Cooper Flag, which is incredible,
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but just plays the game so well as shooting better
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than I think any rookie in NBA history at this point.
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is is you know, rich Man's Joe Ingles, which is
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which is fun? Derek Queen looks like a poor man's
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Jokich or you know, a poor man's Shingoon. Just can't
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defend it all right now, but is a really good
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passing post big.
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There's just like a lot of fun players in this class.
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Ace Bailey is easily in.
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The rookie sophomore game. But it's it's it's a very
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good rookie class.
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So less a knock on a some more compliment to
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the depth of this class.
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I think.
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So personally, yeah, all right, So let's move So you're referenced,
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and I agree with you what we perceive to be
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the core that they that they have identified moving forward
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next season. So we'll take Lowry off, will take Keante,
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will take Walker off, will take ASoft. Okay, there're your
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four players. Boom, we got four we're gonna go with.
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Just give me your thoughts on where we're at with
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this process and analyzing the Kyle Philipowski's of the world,
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the Isaiah Colliers of the world. I will leave the
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side Walter Clayton Junior's side, but we'll put Cody and
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Taylor on there.
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So those four, where are we at in the process?
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Yeah?
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I mean, I think there's various levels of disappointment with
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all of those guys. Okay, and and you know, some
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of that's a little unfair because of where they were drafted,
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right Kyle Pilipowski second round, Isaiah at the end of
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the first Brice sense about at the end of the first.
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But none of them are contributing to winning basketball at
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this point.
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I think Cody Williams actually, weirdly might be the closest
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to like maybe sort of helping you out, which I
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know is kind of crazy, but he just is better
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defensively than the other three. Taylor Hendrix is out of
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the rotation, which is a bummer. I frankly, the Jazz
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just need to send him to the G League. If
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they're not gonna play him, m.
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Cody.
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It's still it's still not enough, like as it's is
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not an NBA player. But you see the you see
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that he's defending with effort, and you see that he
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is cutting and moving in transition, and you understand why
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the Jazz are showing him Corey Brewer tape because that
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shades of Corey Brewer. You can imagine him getting ten
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percent better and then being a ten year NBA.
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Career guy like Corey Brewer.
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It would be a win.
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It would be a win.
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That would be a win.
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Yeah, Kyle Pilapowski can't play the center position. That's he
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may be able to be a four and be okay
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as a five. He's way way, way too soft inside.
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It's just one of the softest players in the NBA, frankly.
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And so if you play him on the perimeter and
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maybe he can have like kind of a Trey Lyles career,
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could make some sense. We'll see, you know, but needs
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to get better on both ends for him to be
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in a in a good team's rotation. And then bright
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Sensiball can absolutely score. And it's funny after the team
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after he had his forty point game, which you know
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is awesome.
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That's that's a proof of concept a little bit.
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But his teammates have been a little bit frustrated with
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how he's calling his own number a little bit and
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is certainly not contributing on the defensive end, and so
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you know those things. There are a lot of players,
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frankly in the NBA who can score forty points and
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have fallen out of the league. And Bryce Sensabad needs
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to realize and kind of get back to playing some defense,
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passing the ball, being part of an offense in order
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to be an NBA rotation player.
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And the Collier stuff, is it just simple, like you
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can't shoot in the league, You're not gonna last.
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I'm more worried he's shooting better this year. I'm more
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worried about the defense at this point.
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Uh huh.
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You know, what does he do?
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He's not good enough to be your ball in hand
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guy for a playoff team, right, right, So what does
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he do without the ball in his hands? And then
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on defense, he's as negative as it gets. And that's troubling.
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And you know, I said that about Kiante last year
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and he's gotten better. And now Kiante is probably a
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three out of ten defensively, which is actually a huge
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step from where he was right right, right, Yeah, but
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Isaiah's probably one out of ten defensively right now, and
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that's that's about where he needs to significantly improve.
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So, and I was talking about this with Smittie.
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We were breaking this down because look, the consensus around
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Will seems to be he's the guy, great coach, great
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young coach, came up the right way, Popovich, tree, communicator, offensive, brilliant, spacing,
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all the things. For the third straight year, the Jazz
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aren't just the worst defensive team in the NBA, they're
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the worst defensive team by far.
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And it's almost historically bad three straight years.
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And look, I watched this team, not near as much
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as I used to, but almost every single night. And
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when you look at the numbers, there are teams that
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are also unseerious about competing with a talent discrepancy that
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are much better defensively.
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What's fair to say?
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I mean, at some point you got to ask, like, Okay,
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we get it, you're not trying to win, you're holding
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onto the asset on board with all that, but it's
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not just hey, that's not a very good defensive team.
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It's no.
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This is a historically bad defensive basketball team for three
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straight years.
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What's fair to say.
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Yeah, And you know they've tried a new defensive system
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this year, right, Like we'll harready talk about this in
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the offseason and in preseason, they looked at what happened
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over the last couple of years, looking at kind of
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drop big defense with Walker Kessler and you know, we're
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last in the league, and said, okay, that's not working.
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We're going to try to be more aggressive. We're going
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to try to bring more pressure at the point of
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attack and see if that works. And it hasn't. Now
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some of that Walker Kessler is injured, isn't playing anymore.
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You are relying on the worst center rotation in the
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NBA in Nur Kitchen and Kevin Love defensively, right, So
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that is certainly a part of what's going on. Right,
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Like the Jazz is defensive ceiling is probably like twenty fifth,
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but it is so bad from night tonight and we're
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not seeing consistent defensive development from some of these guys
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that you would like to see, you know, like Taylor
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Hendricks was drafted as a defen defensive player, is not
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contributing on the defensive end. Cody Williams, I think is
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in that same boat as well. It's contributing more on
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the defensive end, but I still would't call him a
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plus defender. So yeah, where is that development? Where is
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the scheme? Where is the defensive effort from night to night?
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And I don't think it's there. I've advocated for this
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before and it tends to make people pretty in the
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organization pretty mad when I say this, but I'm going
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to do so anyway. This team is crying out for
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a defensive coordinator, a proven defensive coach that can try
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to change the attitude and try to change the scheme
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and try to change everything about Utah Jazz defensive basketball
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right now. And you know, I get that that is
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harsh on Scott Morrison, their current defensive lead coach. And
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yet it's been three years, you know, and if you
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are talking about competing next year, I do think it
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has to begin, you know, sooner rather than later. And
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I'm not saying fire Scott Morrison in the middle of
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the season. I'm not saying I hire a new guy
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in the middle of the season.
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I get it.
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But like, as you start to evaluate what you're going
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to be doing this offseason. I think you need to
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get a new voice in their defensively.
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What else is making them mad right now?
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And how do they have the nerve to be defensive
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when we're in year four of what's been a clunky
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rebuild and you have the historically worst defensive team in
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pro basketball for three years? How can they get mad
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at being criticized?
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As my question, I mean, it's human nature. I don't know, Like,
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but no, it's not human nature. This doesn't exist all
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over the place. I feel like there's this entitlement here,
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like no, no, no, and don't tell me I'm not
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seeing what I'm not seeing.
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Okay, and I'm not gonna have a political conversation today,
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but like I have eyes, don't tell me I'm not
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seeing what I'm seeing. It's fair to be critical of
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an operation where there's data to indicate that you are
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not good at this.
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Now can they become good at it? Shore? Do I
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see pieces falling into place? Yes?
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And a couple of breaks here, a couple of breaks there,
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a bunch of money to spend, maybe a supplement, and
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the growth.
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I can see the process.
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But I can also see what's happening right in front
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of my eyes today, and that's all you can go
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off of.
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Yeah, I agreed, And look, I think that's where my
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writing and kind of my analysis has tried to come from.
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Is just like, hey, you know, as you know, I'm
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a math major, a stats guy, a nerd, whatever, And
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the numbers are so bad that they call out for help,
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and look, I get that. Yeah, the personnel is also
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as bad as it gets. Right, Like, on paper, it
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is one of the worst defensive rosters in the league.
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And yet like I still think they should be closer
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to the rest of the group than the rest of
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the NBA than they are, at least over the course
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of three seasons. Right. I remember my first year covering
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the Jazz was a twenty thirteen to fourteen Jazz and
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that was right after they traded Al Jefferson and Paul
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Millsap and all that. And you know, the Jazz had
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the worst defense in the league with Al Jefferson as well.
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Al Jefferson goes to Charlotte under Steve Clifford, they have
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the third best defensive in the defense in the league.
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And here I was, I thought, you know, the Jazz's
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defensive problems were because Val Jefferson, and in large part
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they were, but also in retrospect, Ty Corbyn's coaching had
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a significant amount to do with it, right, And I
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think we can we can acknowledge that twelve years later
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as much as Ty Corbyn was.
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Upset about that then yright.
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Yeah, so I take that experience and think of it
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as pretty similar to what we're seeing here with the
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Utah Jazz now and think if they had something different,
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it should be in a better place, could be in
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a better place.
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Yes, And it's it's certainly fair to point to things
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that aren't working, while at the same time try to
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understand that this is a difficult process where you broke
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it down brick by brick, and it's it's fun to
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see cool moments like Will Hardy winning his hundredth game
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on my friend text thread. One of them is like, wait,
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he only has one hundred wins because it feels like
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he's been here for a long time. He also has
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one hundred and ninety two losses. I am hoping for
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a better day. I miss competitive spring basketball in Salt
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Lake City. It's one of my it's one of my
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favorite things looking back on my career Jazz playoff runs.
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There are very few things in our state that are
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better than like a Delta Center crowd when the Jazz
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are in the playoffs and have a chance to be awesome.
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I badly want that to happen soon.
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The same And you know, obviously it's it's good for
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us in the business, but it's just it is just fun.
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It's funny, it's exactly.
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It is camaraderie, it is community, it is it is
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just awesome. And you know, the Jazz when they started tinking,
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did not expect this tank to take that long, right,
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Like they expected to trade Donovan and Rudy, get some
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picks back, get a first round pick or two, and
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then trade all the remaining picks for stars, right, And
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that hasn't happened that They have not been able to
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do kind of either part of that until recently to
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now right, it's like, so we'll see, you know it.
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It's it's I give Jazz fans so much credit for
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their patients, for sure, but the Delta Center is full
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on a night to night basis. I can't tell you
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how many stadiums I go to in the league and
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they're just empty, even with better. You know, the Atlanta
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Hawks are pretty good. They're they're not frowing, they're not
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selling out every night like it's it's it's amazing what's
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happening here in you?
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Do you have a polse on who they like?
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Should Lady Luck finally shine upon us and get the
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number one overall pick. There's some interesting dynamics with aj
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at Byu living in Provo with Cam and him being
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Carlos Boozer's son, and Booze working for the organization, because look,
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you you and I know the deal. They've shown the
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ability to draft, they've shown the ability to develop. Now
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they have to retain so Aj and Provo Booze kid.
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Maybe there's some of that there, but a lot of
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people think Peterson's the best player in the draft.
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Do you have a poltz on who they like?
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I don't, And you know, I've heard kind of secondhand things,
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but nothing I feel confident in saying out loud, you know,
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And with I just don't know. And I also think that,
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like I'm not sure that that's been like decided yet, right, Like,
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I still think the most interesting months of the college
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basketball season are to come. And I was thinking that
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last night watching aj really really struggle last night. I
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thought he was he was pretty That was to me
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his worst game of the season for sure. And you know,
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but I still want to see him play the rest
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of the Big twelve schedule and you know, in the
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tournament and see if he develops, because I do think
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he has developed in some ways from the beginning of
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this season.
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He does attack the room a little bit differently, for example.
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So yeah, look, I'm I'm I don't think they've made
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up their mind yet. I I've heard some things, but
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don't feel really confident in them. I don't think that
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like they have settled on ag of Debansa being the
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number one guy because he went to b with you.
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I don't think that's the way they're thinking.
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Last thing, I'll set you loose on this trade deadline
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right around the corner. The Jazz have been active recently,
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whether it's facilitating deals, trading the vet for some capital.
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What do he think is gonna happen?
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If anything, Yeah, that kind of stuff. I don't think
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there will be a major move made. I don't think
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they're going to be trading lowry, even Nurkic, who looked
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like a potential trade guy at the beginning of the year.
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I think they'd rather kind of keep around and try
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to get him to be the team's backup center next year.
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They do have ten million dollars in cap space, that's
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the second most cap space in the league. That's a
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clear opportunity to take on somebody's contract and get a pick.
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I think they would be willing to kind of send
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out the Kyle Anderson contract and Kevin Love contract and.
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That kind of deal as well.
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So there's there's some constructions around the league that makes sense,
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maybe taking on like a D'Angelo Russell deal, who's not
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playing it all in Dallas, you know, with Maxi Kleber,
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uh Kliba in uh in La not playing a ton.
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I think it's eleven million if I remember right for
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his contract. Getting him off the Lakers books would save
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them a ton of luxury tax that kind of stuff,
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right like, So, but I don't expect a huge trade.
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I could even see them kind of moving on from
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one of the young players if there were a team
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kind of interested in the league, kind of in.
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A Ochai Boji sort of way.
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Remember they traded Kelly Linok and O Chai to the raptors,
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just for another swing later on down the road. I
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think that could make some sense, but you know, I
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don't anticipate a big trade, and they aren't either,
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All right, Andy Larson is live in studio, which is
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always fun.
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We'll do a little jazz little RSL whatever else comes
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our way. Andy, how are you buddy, get to see
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you good man.
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Yeah, it's it's uh, you know, jazz time. We're getting
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nine days away until the trade deadline. Yeah, uh, that's
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that's kind of top of mind for me. And then
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you know, going on this next Red Jazz road trip
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as well. And so yeah, you know, I watching the
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game last night, the BYU Arizona game last night was
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obviously an entertaining one too. So yeah, you know, it's
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just it's I think it's a good sports time of year.
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It is for sure.
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Now we'll let's do a little RSL right out of
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the gates, because when you joined us last you made
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a plea, uh to you know, let's sign some players.
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Looks like they have.
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I got our guy, Tommy scoops up, uh, Morgan gill Love.
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I have no idea rc lens yep striker five mil.
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They're paying that much for him A course, well, the
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fee is around five million the top. And this is
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all from Tom Boger, nothing official from the team. Twenty
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seven years old, twenty one caps with the national team
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and he is a striking player and a designated player.
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I have not been smashing rc Lenz tape as of late.
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I know nothing about this young man. Do you know
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anything about him?
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I really know.
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You know, the the midfielder signing again and you may
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have to help with the pronunciation there stein whatever, but
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I'll get there is another official. I think that one's
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official and is another edition. You know, looks like a
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center defensive midfielder. But my issue is basically like that
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these guys and again also not crushing Arci Lenz tape.
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So I don't know.
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But when you read the replies on like the rc
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Lenz Twitter page and read the replies on what it
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was a Bronbie's Twitter page or whatever, these guys previous
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fans are pretty excited that those players are leaving the team.
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And that's that scares me, right, Like when I see,
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you know, when Jazz fans celebrate Taylan Horton Tucker leaving
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and going to the Bulls, and Bulls fans are reading, Hey,
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what's going on? What did the Jazz things? Jazz fans
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think about Tana Horton Tucker, They might be right, Yeah,
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you know, and so you know, I saw one fan
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say like, I can't believe we got a three million
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dollar transfer fee for this guy.
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That's that's ludicrous.
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And in fact, if you go on transfer market kind
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of like this website that estimates transfer fees, you know,
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maybe this player should have been only worth one million,
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one and a half million. So I it's not been
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the kind of business that again, as a outsider who's
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not watching the film, it's not the business that I
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think ursal fans are going to get excited for until
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they are actual results on the field, for actual, real,
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real Salt Lake.
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All Right, I believe it's Morgan g lvogi. That's I
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think that's what it is. And I'm learning a lot
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of this in real time, so soccer fans, I'm a
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little basketball and football centric rsels starting soon.
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Sixteen matches last year, uh a goal?
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Yeah right, like and and so you understand why the
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Lens fans were probably like, you know, I'm completely fine
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to sell this guy for five million dollars one goal
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mm hmm okay, and you know, not all those appearances
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were starts, but yeah, you know, like, and that's what's
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so disappointing is is you look around MLS and you
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do just see teams acquiring proven talent.
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And we know RSL has the money to pay for
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proven talent.
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And these are shots, you know, and and maybe we'll
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see maybe these shots will work out.
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Certainly they have sometimes in the past.
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But I will say the last what three designated players
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RSLs signed have not gone well. And in fact i've
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all are leaving or have left the team. So it's
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the track record is as you know, if they had
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a quality track record, you could say, hey, you know
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in the front office and Jason, we trust. I don't
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know that that track record exists for RSL as it stands.
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So two years now, I have his entire stats up
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all right, two years with FC Lens last year one goal,
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the year before two.
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Okay, so three goals in two years.
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I don't know anything about PARISFC League two apparently in
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France better there twenty six goals in eighty two appearances.
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Look, I have zero frame of reference.
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RSL is a much better team than Paras f C,
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right like, and MLS is a better league than League two.
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Okay.
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I mean this has to be something where they believe
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they see something in him that they can unlock that
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has not been unlocked?
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Is that fair?
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Yeah? And look, I mean what I know about him
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is that he is a high work rate.
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Pressing forward Okay, and that's you know.
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That is still the model that RSL wants to play
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with is to try to get turnovers up the pitch
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and turn those into chain And I think, honestly the
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model has been decent over the last couple of years.
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I would say more two years ago than last year.
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what the new coaching staff is adding in or what
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you know, obviously there's a new formation to play here.
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But yeah, like again, at some point, I look at
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RSL for the last eighteen months and I don't see
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a team that has underperformed its talent. I see a
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team that has probably overperformed its talent and still is
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barely squeaking into the playoffs.
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So we signed the guinea Willia Gatta? Is what we did?
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Is that what this is pressing for?
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I don't know, I mean, will you Gotta, I don't
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even know that he was that good at pressing all right.
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Stein Spearriens is the other player. His name is Stein Speiriens.
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He is a defensive holding mid right and so that
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essentially is to step in and fill the void of
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of were Brian Ojeita because they also got we used
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to have so many Brian's, now we have no Brian's.
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basically to fill in for him.
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Correct, It seems like I mean just positionally what he
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does on on the field is is defensive midfielder stuff,
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you know, and we getting the chance to see him
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play in preseason RSL action again another player that their
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fans were not disappointed to see go, which is again
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another concern. But you know, it is absolutely a spot
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that RSL needed to fill. I don't think it was
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enough to go with just Annelly and Ruiz and you know,
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the the the depth that they have there as is.
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They signed a center back to that you and I
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have not talked about because again they moved on from Ojeeda,
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so they need yeah, yeah, and and very excuse me,
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so they they did sign a center back.
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Do you know anything about this? This player can't? Is
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it Lucas Angles?
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Lucas Angle, Yeah, yeah, I played for Scinnati actually was
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really good at Cincinnati.
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Their fans are said that he's gone, so that's a
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good sign. Yeah, hey how about that?
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Yeah, there's that.
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I actually think this is a pretty clever acquisition that
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they They did in the waiver draft, which is one
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of MLS's weird rules, but they had to pay for
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a fee.
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Was at Burnsmith or I can't remember where he was, but.
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They and basically when he was on loan with Cincinnati
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last middle Middlesborough, thank you played pretty well, so I think,
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you know, and he's basically a left back or center
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back or left center back and a back three. I
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you know, this is actually the up to the acquisition
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that I think URSOL fans can be most confident in, okay,
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because he has proven track right record of playing well
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in MLS.
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So we got three new players, a forward who had
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two goals over the past two years, three goals over
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the past two years, central defensive mid and a center back.
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Jason was on the show last week and teased the
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potential of five signings, so maybe there's two more.
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Have you heard anything at all because I have not.
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I have not.
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Okay, all right, there you go, all right, moving on,
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moving on to little jazz stuff. What's most fun right
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now for you, is it the Nurkic triple double stuff?
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It's Will Hardy winning one hundredth game. What's the most
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fun storyline right now with the Jazz?
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I mean, I think it's still to me Kyante growth
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Kiante coming into being a real star player, right Like, Look,
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the nirkd triple double stuff is fun, but mostly just
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because the Jazz haven't had anyone with this level of
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triple doubles. It just kind of like serves to highlight
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how ridiculous that streak was for twenty years, Like, oh,
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it's Nurkic, who can got at the tripple doubles? Not
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Donovan Mitchell or Rudy Gobert or Gordon Hayward or Darren
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you know, it's it's it's Useuf Nurkic.
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But that's where we are.
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from Ace Bailey since coming back from the illness and
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uh and the the hip flexer, sorry I should say
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with him. So that's that's been encouraging. But and then
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you know what's not fun is the defense, right Like
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they are absolute garbage defensively. I don't think that's harsh
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to say they are the worst in the league by
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multiple points, you know, net rating points, and have been
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for the last couple of years. But in terms of
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the you know, the good stuff, it's it's you do
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kind of have a core here that you can imagine
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building around. You have Keante George, you have Lowry Markinen,
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you have Ace Bailey, and you have Walker Kessler, and
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you know at least what three of the four of
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those guys bring, and you're pretty confident eighth Bailey is
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going to be a good NBA player.
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One day, were you surprised that Ace didn't make the
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Rising Stars roster? I mean, nobody gives a rip anymore,
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but I thought we'd see Ace in that game.
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I was surprised at first, and then it's been a
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minute since I kind of looked at the rookie stats,
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and so I looked last night, and it's a right call.
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Just you know, I think even you could point to
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another couple of guys that could have been selected over Ace,
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you know, like Will Richard and Golden State also is
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not going I think you know, Ace was held back
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by the illness at the beginning of the season. The
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hit flexer in the middle he's been held back. Frankly
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that Will Hardy chose to bention to start the year
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and then has kind of only slowly put him into
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the starting lineup.
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That he's having him.
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Play as a tertiary player in starting lineups, Like most
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of these young guys who are drafted in the top
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ten are getting the ball in their hands on a
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lot of plays and getting the chance to score a
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lot of points. And you know, and the fact is
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that Ace hasn't really done that, and when he is
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on the floor, the Jazz.
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Are significantly worse. Right, Like the plus minus.
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Numbers are about as bad as it gets with with
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Ace Bailey in the starting lineup. And so you know, statistically, yeah,
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I don't know that there's an argument there. Do I
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think that he is not one of the top ten
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players in this class. I don't agree with that. But
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in terms of just you know, how the NBA has
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to choose these kind of things, it has to be
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production based, I think that's the right call.
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And I don't think you can.
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I think you can argue that he's top ten production wise,
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but I do completely understand why the NBA doesn't have
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him there right now.
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Your Vegas favorites to win Rookie of the Year as
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of now, it's still Cooper, although the gap has closed
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a little bit. Conker Nipple is still behind him. Then
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it's Bj Edge Clump. Every time I watch Bj, I'm
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like that kid. I was hoping he would fall. Derek Queen,
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even though the Pelicans are unseerious, said your coward. Jeremiah
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Fears and Dylan Harper are your favorites to win Rookie
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the Year as of now. What's what's your takeaway from
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this rookie class so far?
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I mean, it's it's one of the best rookie classes
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we've seen in the last maybe maybe the best in
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the last ten years. And I mean I think all
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of these guys are going to be high, high level contributors,
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if not stars. I mean, like you said, VJ Edgecomb
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rules so good. I'm kind of both ends of the court.
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You know, needs to work on the efficiency offensively, but
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defensively already a contributor and then offensively can take on
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some usage at times, which is which is cool for
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the Sixers. Obviously, Cooper Flag has been awesome in Dallas.
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We saw kind of the best of him in his
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forty point game in Utah Konko Nipple. There's an argument
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he's been a better rookie than Cooper Flag, which is incredible,
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but just plays the game so well as shooting better
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than I think any rookie in NBA history at this point.
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is is you know, rich Man's Joe Ingles, which is
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which is fun? Derek Queen looks like a poor man's
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Jokich or you know, a poor man's Shingoon. Just can't
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defend it all right now, but is a really good
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passing post big.
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There's just like a lot of fun players in this class.
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Ace Bailey is easily in.
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The rookie sophomore game. But it's it's it's a very
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good rookie class.
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So less a knock on a some more compliment to
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the depth of this class.
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I think.
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So personally, yeah, all right, So let's move So you're referenced,
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and I agree with you what we perceive to be
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the core that they that they have identified moving forward
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next season. So we'll take Lowry off, will take Keante,
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will take Walker off, will take ASoft. Okay, there're your
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four players. Boom, we got four we're gonna go with.
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Just give me your thoughts on where we're at with
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this process and analyzing the Kyle Philipowski's of the world,
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the Isaiah Colliers of the world. I will leave the
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side Walter Clayton Junior's side, but we'll put Cody and
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Taylor on there.
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So those four, where are we at in the process?
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Yeah?
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I mean, I think there's various levels of disappointment with
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all of those guys. Okay, and and you know, some
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of that's a little unfair because of where they were drafted,
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right Kyle Pilipowski second round, Isaiah at the end of
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the first Brice sense about at the end of the first.
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But none of them are contributing to winning basketball at
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this point.
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I think Cody Williams actually, weirdly might be the closest
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to like maybe sort of helping you out, which I
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know is kind of crazy, but he just is better
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defensively than the other three. Taylor Hendrix is out of
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the rotation, which is a bummer. I frankly, the Jazz
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just need to send him to the G League. If
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they're not gonna play him, m.
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Cody.
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It's still it's still not enough, like as it's is
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not an NBA player. But you see the you see
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that he's defending with effort, and you see that he
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is cutting and moving in transition, and you understand why
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the Jazz are showing him Corey Brewer tape because that
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shades of Corey Brewer. You can imagine him getting ten
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percent better and then being a ten year NBA.
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Career guy like Corey Brewer.
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It would be a win.
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It would be a win.
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That would be a win.
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Yeah, Kyle Pilapowski can't play the center position. That's he
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may be able to be a four and be okay
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as a five. He's way way, way too soft inside.
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It's just one of the softest players in the NBA, frankly.
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And so if you play him on the perimeter and
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maybe he can have like kind of a Trey Lyles career,
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could make some sense. We'll see, you know, but needs
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to get better on both ends for him to be
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in a in a good team's rotation. And then bright
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Sensiball can absolutely score. And it's funny after the team
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after he had his forty point game, which you know
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is awesome.
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That's that's a proof of concept a little bit.
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But his teammates have been a little bit frustrated with
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how he's calling his own number a little bit and
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is certainly not contributing on the defensive end, and so
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you know those things. There are a lot of players,
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frankly in the NBA who can score forty points and
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have fallen out of the league. And Bryce Sensabad needs
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to realize and kind of get back to playing some defense,
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passing the ball, being part of an offense in order
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to be an NBA rotation player.
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And the Collier stuff, is it just simple, like you
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can't shoot in the league, You're not gonna last.
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I'm more worried he's shooting better this year. I'm more
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worried about the defense at this point.
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Uh huh.
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You know, what does he do?
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He's not good enough to be your ball in hand
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guy for a playoff team, right, right, So what does
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he do without the ball in his hands? And then
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on defense, he's as negative as it gets. And that's troubling.
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And you know, I said that about Kiante last year
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and he's gotten better. And now Kiante is probably a
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three out of ten defensively, which is actually a huge
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step from where he was right right, right, Yeah, but
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Isaiah's probably one out of ten defensively right now, and
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that's that's about where he needs to significantly improve.
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So, and I was talking about this with Smittie.
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We were breaking this down because look, the consensus around
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Will seems to be he's the guy, great coach, great
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young coach, came up the right way, Popovich, tree, communicator, offensive, brilliant, spacing,
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all the things. For the third straight year, the Jazz
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aren't just the worst defensive team in the NBA, they're
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the worst defensive team by far.
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And it's almost historically bad three straight years.
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And look, I watched this team, not near as much
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as I used to, but almost every single night. And
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when you look at the numbers, there are teams that
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are also unseerious about competing with a talent discrepancy that
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are much better defensively.
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What's fair to say?
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I mean, at some point you got to ask, like, Okay,
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we get it, you're not trying to win, you're holding
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onto the asset on board with all that, but it's
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not just hey, that's not a very good defensive team.
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It's no.
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This is a historically bad defensive basketball team for three
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straight years.
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What's fair to say.
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Yeah, And you know they've tried a new defensive system
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this year, right, Like we'll harready talk about this in
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the offseason and in preseason, they looked at what happened
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over the last couple of years, looking at kind of
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drop big defense with Walker Kessler and you know, we're
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last in the league, and said, okay, that's not working.
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We're going to try to be more aggressive. We're going
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to try to bring more pressure at the point of
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attack and see if that works. And it hasn't. Now
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some of that Walker Kessler is injured, isn't playing anymore.
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You are relying on the worst center rotation in the
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NBA in Nur Kitchen and Kevin Love defensively, right, So
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that is certainly a part of what's going on. Right,
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Like the Jazz is defensive ceiling is probably like twenty fifth,
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but it is so bad from night tonight and we're
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not seeing consistent defensive development from some of these guys
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that you would like to see, you know, like Taylor
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Hendricks was drafted as a defen defensive player, is not
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contributing on the defensive end. Cody Williams, I think is
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in that same boat as well. It's contributing more on
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the defensive end, but I still would't call him a
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plus defender. So yeah, where is that development? Where is
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the scheme? Where is the defensive effort from night to night?
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And I don't think it's there. I've advocated for this
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before and it tends to make people pretty in the
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organization pretty mad when I say this, but I'm going
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to do so anyway. This team is crying out for
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a defensive coordinator, a proven defensive coach that can try
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to change the attitude and try to change the scheme
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and try to change everything about Utah Jazz defensive basketball
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right now. And you know, I get that that is
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harsh on Scott Morrison, their current defensive lead coach. And
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yet it's been three years, you know, and if you
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are talking about competing next year, I do think it
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has to begin, you know, sooner rather than later. And
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I'm not saying fire Scott Morrison in the middle of
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the season. I'm not saying I hire a new guy
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in the middle of the season.
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I get it.
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But like, as you start to evaluate what you're going
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to be doing this offseason. I think you need to
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get a new voice in their defensively.
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What else is making them mad right now?
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And how do they have the nerve to be defensive
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when we're in year four of what's been a clunky
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rebuild and you have the historically worst defensive team in
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pro basketball for three years? How can they get mad
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at being criticized?
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As my question, I mean, it's human nature. I don't know, Like,
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but no, it's not human nature. This doesn't exist all
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over the place. I feel like there's this entitlement here,
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like no, no, no, and don't tell me I'm not
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seeing what I'm not seeing.
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Okay, and I'm not gonna have a political conversation today,
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but like I have eyes, don't tell me I'm not
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seeing what I'm seeing. It's fair to be critical of
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an operation where there's data to indicate that you are
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not good at this.
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Now can they become good at it? Shore? Do I
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see pieces falling into place? Yes?
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And a couple of breaks here, a couple of breaks there,
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a bunch of money to spend, maybe a supplement, and
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the growth.
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I can see the process.
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But I can also see what's happening right in front
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of my eyes today, and that's all you can go
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off of.
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Yeah, I agreed, And look, I think that's where my
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writing and kind of my analysis has tried to come from.
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Is just like, hey, you know, as you know, I'm
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a math major, a stats guy, a nerd, whatever, And
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the numbers are so bad that they call out for help,
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and look, I get that. Yeah, the personnel is also
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as bad as it gets. Right, Like, on paper, it
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is one of the worst defensive rosters in the league.
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And yet like I still think they should be closer
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to the rest of the group than the rest of
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the NBA than they are, at least over the course
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of three seasons. Right. I remember my first year covering
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the Jazz was a twenty thirteen to fourteen Jazz and
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that was right after they traded Al Jefferson and Paul
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Millsap and all that. And you know, the Jazz had
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the worst defense in the league with Al Jefferson as well.
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Al Jefferson goes to Charlotte under Steve Clifford, they have
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the third best defensive in the defense in the league.
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And here I was, I thought, you know, the Jazz's
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defensive problems were because Val Jefferson, and in large part
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they were, but also in retrospect, Ty Corbyn's coaching had
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a significant amount to do with it, right, And I
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think we can we can acknowledge that twelve years later
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as much as Ty Corbyn was.
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Upset about that then yright.
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Yeah, so I take that experience and think of it
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as pretty similar to what we're seeing here with the
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Utah Jazz now and think if they had something different,
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it should be in a better place, could be in
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a better place.
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Yes, And it's it's certainly fair to point to things
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that aren't working, while at the same time try to
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understand that this is a difficult process where you broke
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it down brick by brick, and it's it's fun to
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see cool moments like Will Hardy winning his hundredth game
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on my friend text thread. One of them is like, wait,
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he only has one hundred wins because it feels like
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he's been here for a long time. He also has
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one hundred and ninety two losses. I am hoping for
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a better day. I miss competitive spring basketball in Salt
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Lake City. It's one of my it's one of my
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favorite things looking back on my career Jazz playoff runs.
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There are very few things in our state that are
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better than like a Delta Center crowd when the Jazz
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are in the playoffs and have a chance to be awesome.
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I badly want that to happen soon.
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The same And you know, obviously it's it's good for
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us in the business, but it's just it is just fun.
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It's funny, it's exactly.
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It is camaraderie, it is community, it is it is
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just awesome. And you know, the Jazz when they started tinking,
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did not expect this tank to take that long, right,
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Like they expected to trade Donovan and Rudy, get some
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picks back, get a first round pick or two, and
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then trade all the remaining picks for stars, right, And
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that hasn't happened that They have not been able to
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do kind of either part of that until recently to
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now right, it's like, so we'll see, you know it.
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It's it's I give Jazz fans so much credit for
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their patients, for sure, but the Delta Center is full
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on a night to night basis. I can't tell you
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how many stadiums I go to in the league and
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they're just empty, even with better. You know, the Atlanta
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Hawks are pretty good. They're they're not frowing, they're not
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selling out every night like it's it's it's amazing what's
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happening here in you?
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Do you have a polse on who they like?
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Should Lady Luck finally shine upon us and get the
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number one overall pick. There's some interesting dynamics with aj
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at Byu living in Provo with Cam and him being
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Carlos Boozer's son, and Booze working for the organization, because look,
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you you and I know the deal. They've shown the
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ability to draft, they've shown the ability to develop. Now
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they have to retain so Aj and Provo Booze kid.
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Maybe there's some of that there, but a lot of
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people think Peterson's the best player in the draft.
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Do you have a poltz on who they like?
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I don't, And you know, I've heard kind of secondhand things,
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but nothing I feel confident in saying out loud, you know,
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And with I just don't know. And I also think that,
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like I'm not sure that that's been like decided yet, right, Like,
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I still think the most interesting months of the college
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basketball season are to come. And I was thinking that
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last night watching aj really really struggle last night. I
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thought he was he was pretty That was to me
521
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his worst game of the season for sure. And you know,
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but I still want to see him play the rest
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of the Big twelve schedule and you know, in the
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tournament and see if he develops, because I do think
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he has developed in some ways from the beginning of
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this season.
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He does attack the room a little bit differently, for example.
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So yeah, look, I'm I'm I don't think they've made
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up their mind yet. I I've heard some things, but
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don't feel really confident in them. I don't think that
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like they have settled on ag of Debansa being the
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number one guy because he went to b with you.
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I don't think that's the way they're thinking.
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Last thing, I'll set you loose on this trade deadline
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right around the corner. The Jazz have been active recently,
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whether it's facilitating deals, trading the vet for some capital.
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What do he think is gonna happen?
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If anything, Yeah, that kind of stuff. I don't think
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there will be a major move made. I don't think
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they're going to be trading lowry, even Nurkic, who looked
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like a potential trade guy at the beginning of the year.
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I think they'd rather kind of keep around and try
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to get him to be the team's backup center next year.
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They do have ten million dollars in cap space, that's
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the second most cap space in the league. That's a
546
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clear opportunity to take on somebody's contract and get a pick.
547
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I think they would be willing to kind of send
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out the Kyle Anderson contract and Kevin Love contract and.
549
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That kind of deal as well.
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So there's there's some constructions around the league that makes sense,
551
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maybe taking on like a D'Angelo Russell deal, who's not
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playing it all in Dallas, you know, with Maxi Kleber,
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uh Kliba in uh in La not playing a ton.
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I think it's eleven million if I remember right for
555
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his contract. Getting him off the Lakers books would save
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them a ton of luxury tax that kind of stuff,
557
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right like, So, but I don't expect a huge trade.
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I could even see them kind of moving on from
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one of the young players if there were a team
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kind of interested in the league, kind of in.
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A Ochai Boji sort of way.
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Remember they traded Kelly Linok and O Chai to the raptors,
563
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just for another swing later on down the road. I
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think that could make some sense, but you know, I
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don't anticipate a big trade, and they aren't either,
