William Shatner Interview, Part 2 | The Creation Entertainment Podcast | Episode 102

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Hi, I'm here Bowen.
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I'm Ryan t Husk and this is the Creation Entertainment Podcast.
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On today's episode, we're going to jump into part two
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of the William Shatner interview with Adam Mayhlan. This is
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going to be covering Captain Kirk's incredible legacy and.
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On the pop culture Cinema Squad, We're going to do
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a deep dive into the Netflix series three Body Problem
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from the Game of Thrones creators debe Weiss and David Bennenoff.
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And then in the Creation Looks Back segment, Adam Mahlon
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and Gary Berman were reminisced about their early comic book
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convention days and the legendary team of Stan Lee and
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Jack Kirby.
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And then Ryan and I are going to give you
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the dish on the latest Creation Entertainment news, including the
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big guest announcement for STLV Truck to Vegas Convention this
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August stay two.
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You have a couple of other things that have been
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passioned passions in your life that I've been very fortunate
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to experience firsthand. First of all, your love of the
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equestrian arts and your wonderful Hollywood Charity horse show which
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is going on in about its five hundredth year.
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At this point it's a thirty sixth maybe year. We've
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raised millions millions for children's and veterans charities thirty five
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at about four hundred, five hundred thousand dollars we raised
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during the Hollywood Charity Horse Show, which is on June first,
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horseshow dot org. If you want to make a contribution,
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and every penny, it's just me and whoever is assisting me.
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In this case, Kathleen Hayes has been running it for
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so many years and I neither one of us gets paid,
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and and we have spectacular entertainment, wonderful dinner and limited seatings.
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So your dinners are on. The dinners are wonderful when
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all of the big donors get to go to this
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dinner and you'll have people like Brad Paisley or Willie Nelson.
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Yea, and yeah that was presently last year, uh one year.
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This year, this year we're having.
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Judy Garland and Elvis is coming back and two other
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great male entertainers. His names I forgot.
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But one year you had Willie Nelson was your guest,
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and you had me bring something to him in his
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green room. Was that I think it was like food
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or something. It was like some food for the band.
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He said, I don't take this to Willy in the
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green room. They're hungry or something like that.
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So what do you get it?
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What did we get?
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You know, it's something that So I go to the
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green room, I knock on the door. I hear yes,
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you know, and that Willie twang. And I said, mister Nelson,
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I have some food for you, and he says, come
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on in. So I open up the door and a
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giant cloud of pot smoke come smoke doing it? Well,
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I don't smoke it, but I've smelled it a billion times.
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So yeah, and this is before it was legal in LA.
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There were a lot of great experiences that I had
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personally at that show. But I've always been so impressed
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by the fervor by which you and Kathleen have worked.
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You know, people don't know how tirelessly for so many
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years You've worked wells Fargo and everybody in the team to.
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Try to get the sponsors. And you know, we can't
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just depend on ticket sales. So it's been amazing. But
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you have been a horseman all your life. Now are
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you still riding? I certainly am. I've got two horses
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that are competition horses that I'll ride like now, like
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this week.
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Or next week, Standard Breads or No.
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These are corner horses that there's a whole quarter horse
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segment of my life, reading and babies and and training.
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And then there's the saddle Breads which I have in Lexington,
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Kentucky and Standardbreds trotting horses. So I'm up to my
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neck in horses.
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Another thing that you have pursued for quite a bit
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of your life is different musical concepts. And you've had
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numerous albums, including one with my own producer, Billy Sherwood.
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That's right, which is incredible. And we've written the team
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of Rob Journo and I have written songs about fourteen
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or fifteen of them. Now to start to make a
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new album with Brad Paisley that's going to go on.
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I'll record that in Nashville maybe by the end of
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this month.
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He's an incredible talent. You also did a project with
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Ben Folds that was amazing, and you did a ballet
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project that came out of that, recording Gonzo Ballet that's right.
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Uh.
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And I did a blues album that was number one,
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and I did a Christmas album that was number one.
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I've got of seven I albums out there, but this
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next one is going to be really spectacular. I'm loving
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the songs that we written, the lyrics to which and
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then we're getting to get Brad to put the music
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to it.
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With such a full career and with no sign of
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slow let me let me.
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Let me tell you one other thing that I'm doing
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that was spectacular, and that is I went to the
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I went to the cs IS Sun, my phone, my
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dog's I went to the Antarctic a month ago on
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Antarctica in Antarctica and uh and was response for some
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of the entertainment as well as Neil deGrasse Tyson. Now
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I had done Neil's podcast a few times and we
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become kind of buddies. We really liked each other, but
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he's on the East coast, on the West coast, so
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minor communication. Except now I'm spending two weeks with him
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on a ship and we get to know each other
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and really and then in the evening he and I
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three or four times got up and entertained the question
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answered that kind of thing. So when I came home,
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I started to compose a speech, a talk essentially about
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the relationship of exploration between the people who went to
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discover the South Pole and the difficults they had and
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modern day exploration like going to Mars. And I contacted
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Neil and asked him if he'd be interested in doing
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a stage version of him and I discoursing on the
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magic of exploration, whether it was literal on the snow
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with the dogs and things, or with the primitive rockets
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we have now and then the years to come, how
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much more sophisticated will be, what Mars would be like,
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what the South Pole was like? What invests people to
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make those kind of weird Who wants to go to
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Mars six eight months to there, six eight months living there,
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sixty eight months coming back and all the problem? I mean,
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who would want it? There are people lined up and
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want to go to Mars, and they know the potential problem,
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and yet they want to go based on I want
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to go someplace where nobody's been. I want the idea
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of explosion. I want the sensation. And that's a stage
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thing that we have plans to do. Neil and I.
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June July, we're looking at Seattle in the Theater in
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the Seattle area to do a performance Thursday night and
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Friday afternoon and Friday night, three performances in the Seattle
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area of Neil de Grats Tyson on me on stage,
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holding forth on exploration and the magic.
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It sounds wonderful and I feel like you've been exploring.
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I'm not going to use the cliche the final frontier.
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But you've been.
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You have been exploring so many things in your life.
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You're a renaissance man. And I just wonder if you
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can put a footnote on your life, your career. What
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do you think your legacy is? Could you even put
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to work?
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But yeah, I think.
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He didn't die. Well, that happened that much. That much
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we know, But.
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I don't know.
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There's no This thing is legacy, Adam know this thing
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as legacy. The the way the world, this planet works,
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at all of the universe works is entropy. Things change, chaos,
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and we're seeing them a great deal of it now.
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The things change, and immediately, as immediate as something is
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born and is there, it begins to change. It erodes,
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and our lives, our little brief, useless, senseless lives. Maybe
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or maybe there's a whole act follow. Nobody knows, But
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there's no legacy. You're gonna leave a statue it's torn down.
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You can leave a stone memory thing and wears our way.
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No such thing as legacy. The legacy that we all
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leave is our good deeds that we perform in our lifetime.
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They resound, they reverberate for the rest of time. You
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help some old lady across the street, that action, and
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that lady and her actions after that, and your viewing
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of that action your lasts forever. It'll affect other people,
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and it reverberates for the end of time. That's your legacy.
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It's a great legacy.
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And even what you've given to me and to the
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people that have come to our events for all these years,
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all the all the love and devotion that you've given
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to us.
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And Rob's coming to your events, they're made Your events
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are made for the for the fans, and I come
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to your events with that in mind.
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Well, it's been a love affair.
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Mine with you too. You're all so so.
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And we're going to see you at I think three
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dates this year, which is not meant to be a plug, but.
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Just we're going to be in Las Vegas. We're going
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to be in Chicago. What's the third one.
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We'll be in New Jersey, in New Jersey, New York area.
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Yeah, looking for all and and looking forward to saying
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hello and greeting your fans, the fans that come, and
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they're our fans, yours and mine and everybody Else's a.
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Fifth generation now of Star Trek fans. Just keep coming
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year after year, you know. Okay, Well, thank you for
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your time, and take care. Love you very much, Love
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you too, Take care of hey guys.
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Hello again, Welcome to Creationifertainments, Pop Culture cinema Squad.
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I'm joined here about my esteem colleague Kit Bowen again
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and today we're gonna wrap our it's around three body problems.
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Wrapping is a key point there.
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Epic piece of work from the guys that gave this
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Game of Thrones. That's David Benioff and dv Weiss, joined
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by filmmaker Alexander Wu and based upon a series of
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groundbreaking Hugo winning novels by lu Chi Jin. All right,
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let me see if I can set this up for US.
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Season one only encompasses the first part of the first
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book in the series, and the story sets up with
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the Chinese cultural Revolution, where a young physicist e and
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G played by Star Trek's on Rosalind Chow, witnesses her
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father's brutal death and is later recruited to a secret
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military base dedicated to contacting extraterrestrial life, and due to
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her disillusionment with humanity, she actually reaches out and sends
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a signal to an alien sibilization, the san Tea, from
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a world in a chaotic solar system with three sons.
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We're going to talk a little bit about the three
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body problem in a few minutes, but let me again
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just set this up. Her contact to the Santee sets
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in motion a chain that leads to the eventual arrival
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in four hundred years of this alien race and in
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the present day, a group of Oxford scientists, the Oxford Five,
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become entangled in the mystery surrounding these strange occurrences and
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suicides that are recurring as a result of this impending
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alien invasion, and the truth which is gleaned partly from
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the results of a virtual reality game that is being
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enacted that reveals the Santee's world homeworld's harsh environments and
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their motivations while also facing the dilemma of preparing him
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entity for an inevitable invasion.
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Well, the one thing you did.
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Forget to talk about is that this scientist, this young scientist,
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is working for this you know, Seti's type organization in China.
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She gets an actual she gets a message from an
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alien of some kind saying, do not contact us. This
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is a warning, do not contact us, because it's going
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to be bad if you do as she does it anyway.
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Well, this also gets into the dark Forest theory, which
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is in the novels themselves, which is that if you
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are contacted by an alien race, you have several choices.
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Your first choice is to ignore them, which is probably
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the wisest thing, because if they have the technology to
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reach you and contact you, they very possibly could outclass
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you and come and destroy you. You know, something that
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will show up kind of with the body of a
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crab and the head of a social worker. So we
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don't want to think very bad.
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Or they can't hear you, but they can smell you,
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or they can't smell you, but they can hear you,
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or they can't see you.
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Or you can choose to contact them, but if you
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do so, it's very possible that since you have the
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technology to reach them, they will determine that you are
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a threat, and based upon the fact that you're a threat,
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they will preemptively try and destroy you, or in the
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third case scenario, when you're contacted by them, you may
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unilaterally decide to try and destroy them. This is the
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dark forest theory of the universe. It's dog eat dog,
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alien dog eat dog. Anyway, this group of scientists, which
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includes Jin Chang, Soul Durand, and Will Downing, becomes central
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to the story as they try to glean and understand
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what this alien threat is.
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Let's talk a.
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Little bit about the three body problem. You're a physics expert,
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so you break this down for us.
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That's the thing about this show. I was absolutely riveted
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by it for most of it. There's parts of it that.
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It goes right over my head.
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actually first proposed that three bodies interact gravitationally in a
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way that is chaotic and unpredictable. So if your world
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has even two sons, you can kind of know when
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the weather conditions around your world are going to be okay, okay,
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they create a series of gravitational interactions that are not predictable.
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They are chaotic, They create chaos, and for those that
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live in a three body system, it becomes a three
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body problem because you never know when your planet is
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going to be habitable or when you're going to get
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fried to death by too much sun. You can't predict it.
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And so those that have read the nuts and that's
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I count that as some of you out there, know
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that the Santee you have adopted a very unique method
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of adapting two periods of intense solar radiation by desiccating
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their bodies. This is not spoiler, he're not revealed in
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the first season of.
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Yeah, but they can desiccate their bodies to kind of
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hibernate during these chaotic periods. But the santi figure, you know, desiccation,
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it's such a drag. You have to have to be
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there all dried and shriveled up, you know, for Millennia,
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who wants to be all dried up? So they figure
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it's that, you know what, before the next kind of
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kadotic period arrives, and it could arrive at any time.
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Let's get the hell out of here and let's find
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an alien world that's inhabitable. That sets up them sending
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out that alien signal which we mentioned that Rosalind Chow
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intercepts and.
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Playing her as a younger arter.
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Just decides that she is going to because many of
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her colleagues think it's a mistake, but she is going
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to contact and that sets the chain into motion. Now,
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the Santee have this virtual reality game. These magic you know,
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VR head pieces show up which are really cool. Let's
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talk a little bit about their VR game, which is
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so incredible. There's this VR headpiece which looks very futuristic.
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I've always felt that these VR head pieces are a
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bit on wielding. It's to say the least. Now I
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got one of these Oculus units and I think, will
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raist my head down.
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You actually have one?
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I have one, let's get from Gary. Interesting and I
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do use it and it is intense. But anyway, this
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one which was designed by the Santee. Not exactly sure
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how they got it to Earth since they do not
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travel faster than life, right, but anyway, they left it
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and people have been used it and what it does
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is it manipulates human minds, and it also gives the
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Santi an idea of how sophisticated we are based on
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the levels of the game that we're able to sort
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of achieve and succeed at. So they determine that Earth
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is going to be a place that they can come
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and colonize. So they start getting into a dialogue with
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a gentleman Mike Evans played by the Great Chonathan Prices,
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and he starts having a dialogue with them about aspects
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of the human race, and not entirely.
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Sure why he's picked though, do you know? Do you no?
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It's perhaps a bit of a mystery, but he sort
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of kind of forms the nucleus of kind of a
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cult based.
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Around the.
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Yeah no, based around the woman, the scientist yeah.
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And and so they believe that it's almost messianic, and
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they know the aliens that comeing to Earth it's incredible.
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So they want to facilitate that, and they will murder
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and kill. We'll do whatever is necessary to achieve that goal.
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Did I mention that Liam Cunningham, the actor from Game
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of Thrones, plays the head of m I six. They
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have a vested interest ultimately in defeating this alien.
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But so they look at Jonathan Price's character Evans and
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Russell Charles's character as a threat.
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Basic, yes, they finally they are beginning to deduce that
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this is a threat. In the process of his conversations
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with the Santee, Jonathan Price's character Mike Evans mentions that
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humans have a process of lying.
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Oh, yes, that's right, that's right.
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So the Santee do not lie. And there we don't
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really know this yet, but they are more of a
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high mind in their world, and so you can't really
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keep secrets from each other, and therefore, why lie. So
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the idea of lying is well, first it's a shock
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to them, and then ultimately it's kind of a game
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changer for them. That's when they sort of have an
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epiphany and decide, you know what, we don't want to
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co exist with these creatures. We should destroy them before
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we get here, so that the send we don't have
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to we don't have to cope with that.
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And they send a message that freaks everyone out, that says.
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You are bugs right worldwide.
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But before that message comes, we are already beginning to
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realize that they are a threat to us, and so
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we want to get more intelligence. Particularly this head of
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the m I s wants to get more intelligence on
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the Santee so he can know what we're facing off against.
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And he's got a friend who is a special, very
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special scientist. This scientist is Isaa Gonzalez, who plays a
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scientist who has developed a groundbreaking nano technology, nanotube technology,
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and the head of the MI six figures, well, we've
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got to get the information that Jonathan Price's character has
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got away from him so we can know what kind
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of a threat we're dealing with. This cult is ensconced
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on a freighter ship and they know that if they
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just do a full out attack to try and get
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that hard drive from him, that information from him, he'll
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probably destroy it and maybe they'll kill themselves or whatever.
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But he can't lose the hard drive, so working with
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the scientists, they enact this crazy one of.
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The craziest sequences I've seen on TV amazing For the
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few of you that haven't seen it, spoiler alert, But
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the freightership.
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Is crossing a canal like the Panama and while it's
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going through there, they are going to They have the
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good guys an active plan to stop this ship. With
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his scientists friends. Nano tubes. Yes, they string these nanotubes.
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They're invisible, you can't even see them. They string a
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whole series of them, you know, kind of like a grid,
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like a grid across the canal. And they figured that
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when the ship comes, it'll stop the ship. But oh boy,
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it shops stops the ship all right.
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Well, I think the character who has who has invented
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this played by Isaac and Zalez. Her name is ay
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Ay Salazar, and she knows what she's created. It is destructive,
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and apparently she has some kind of either the aliens
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or peeing into this or whatever. But when she created
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it and it's up and running, she starts seeing this
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countdown in front of her eyes that nobody else can
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see but she. And the minute she says, okay, you know,
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I can't do this anymore and she shuts it down,
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the countdown goes away. Well, Wade, you know, basically says
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we've got to stop these people, and this is the
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best way we can do it. So she boots it
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back up, and sure enough she gets the countdown again,
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which is crazy.
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We're going to talk a little bit about how they
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can monitor what's going on with us. We'll get to that.
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But anyway, so they want to stop this freightership, and
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so they've strung up these invisible nanotubes. Nobody sees it coming.
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And then as the ship hits these nanotubes, I mean,
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it's slice and dice, ladies. Jentleman chikin Zoo Knife nineteen
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ninety five, available only through this television for this ship
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gets sliced and diced. So it is crazy.
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There's children and the ship is.
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Going through it. There are people on the ship that
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are seeing the ship sheering apart in front of them,
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so they start running, but the ship is moving forward,
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so it's coming through. It's cutting everything. It's cutting people
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into ten pieces. I mean, you know, do you know what?
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It reminded me of Resident, the first one. I remember
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where they're in that room or whatever.
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Yeah, yeah, it's like that. People are getting cut up. Anyway.
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Mike Jonathan Pyce's character sees this and starts to run.
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He grabs the hard drive. He starts to run, but
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alas he too is caught in this horrible trap. They're all,
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they're all, They're all.
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Episode.
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The whole ship just collapses in on itself into a
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mangled mass. This mangled heap. PostScript, they're able to go
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in and they find the hard drive, so they're able
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to get more information about this this incredible alien threat.
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Now I mentioned that the aliens are able to monitor us.
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They've developed a technology of superpowered protons called sofons. These
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tiny proton size supercomputers that are sent by them. They're
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also called the trisolawns. They are designed to spy on
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They're designed to spy on human activities, but also to
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disrupt scientific progress. The Santi have decided that if they
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wipe us out, they may destroy the planet. If they
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tip us off too much, that we may, if we
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think that they're too technology superior, just kill ourselves. It's
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the Masada effect, like what the Israelis did in Masada.
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Rather than being captured by the Romans, they just killed themselves.
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So the Santi don't want that, so the Santi decide,
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and also the Santia has been monitoring our technological progress.
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We have been progressing so quickly that they're very worried
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that in the four hundred years that it takes for
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them at lower than slower than light speed to get
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to our system, we will evolve technologically so much that
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we will be beyond them and be able to kill them.
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So they decide the best way to deal with us
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is to inhibit our technological growth so that by the
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time they arrive, Earth is not destroyed, it's still usable,
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and that we are not in a position to defep
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them technologically. So these sofons are able to well, first
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of all, they're crazy. They're extra dimensional that you can
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take a single proton and turn it into a complex device.
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Their microscopic, and they can record information, they can affect technology.
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But they're extra dimensional in the sense that they can
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unfold through extra dimensions into a huge computing surface, and
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in fact they unfold out into this thing that covers
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the sky with that eye kind of looking, you know,
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kind of reminded me of Lord of the rings On. Yeah,
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you know, absolutely, And then as you indicated, uh, flashing
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a message to us you know, we are bugs. I'm
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not sure it's the smartest thing to do is to
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tell us the world several bugs, but I mean kind
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of you know, gets us, gets us thinking that, you know,
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we have a threat and we have to deal with it.
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So I'm not sure it was the wisest move on
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their part, but clearly the sofon technology is an example
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of how even though they're not here yet and they
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can't travel faster than light, they can still affect us.
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And this all goes back to the sofons and quantum technology,
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which is spooky effect at a distance. Einstein predicted in
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quantum theory, you can affect uh, synchronized objects over great
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distances without any actual ties to them, or spooky effect
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at a distance. So they have mastered some of that technology.
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So let me ask you.
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About the end, because it is based on these.
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Many not the end of this first season.
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The end of this first season. It's based on these
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novels written by a Chinese scientist.
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I believe, yeah, And so we decide that yes, uh so,
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Wade and company decide that they need to somehow intervene
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or somehow intersect in intercept the fleet before they get here.
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And they so there's one of the scientists or one
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of the there's a core group of five friends basically,
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and this one is i Will I believe it is
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his name. He He is dying of cancer, and he's
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been in love with Jin who who is connected with
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the Roslin childcare.
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He's been in love with her. Forever.
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Anyway, he decides that he's going to allow his brain
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to be Jennison into the galaxy to try to intercept it.
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They send, well, they send his brain to the fleet
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because he doesn't necessarily want to stop them from coming.
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Right.
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Six deduces that if it's the brain of somebody that
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knows that the aliens are a threat and wants to
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stop them, that the Santee will destroy the brain as
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fast as they get it. They'll just destroy it. But
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if the brain is if the person's brain, if that
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person was sympathetic to the Santee's cause, I think that
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they're more likely to accept the brain and perhaps create
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an interaction with the brain that might open up another
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channel for communication or for another kind of an endgame
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other than what's already going on. It's it's a crazy
489
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concept and it.
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Doesn't actually go as planned.
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So it's kind of gone askew by the end of
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the first season.
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So I'm not sure exactly how. But here's the thing
494
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about this show. You know, obviously your brain might be
495
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:18.759
going what is this all about?
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Yet my brain is just like that already, just from
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going through.
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This, he'd be sympathetic with the sufte but it's also
499
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got a lot of heart to it. These four, these
500
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five friends who you know, have been bonded forever. Uh,
501
00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:35.640
some thing's happened during the show as well, that's not
502
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:38.640
so great, some tragedies, but the majority of them have.
503
00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:40.440
There's a lot of heart and soul to it. And
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00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:44.400
this character will and particularly because he's not on cancer,
505
00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:48.720
it just brings some some sensitivity and some emotions to
506
00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:52.279
this very very sci fi technical show.
507
00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:54.880
We're talking about the actor that played Samwell in Game
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of Thrones.
509
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No, that's Jack and yeah there's something he yeah, I
510
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:05.079
was said. And then there's this weird he's assassinated, yes
511
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by that.
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00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:08.799
Who's this girl? She's part of the cult.
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But she's like that she's somehow she can bypass video
514
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and all this kinsode.
515
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So she's really weird. I don't know what her deal is.
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00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:21.480
But yeah, so I feel like the show itself being
517
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you know, very technical and a little hard to understand,
518
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but it's one.
519
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Of Game of Thrones, trust.
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00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:27.720
Me, has a lot of heart.
521
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Thrones with one of those shows too where you had
522
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:32.799
to stop and I turned to my husband, I go,
523
00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:33.599
who is that again?
524
00:33:33.680 --> 00:33:36.799
And we by but by like the fourth episode I was,
525
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:37.559
I was in it.
526
00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:44.319
Well, to conclude, this is a galactic level saga spread
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out over what could be many seasons. Yeah, I understand
528
00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:50.759
there's a delay and it's been the second season been
529
00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:54.200
pushed back to twenty twenty six, right, But having said that,
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I think, just judging by our enthusiasm as well as
531
00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:01.599
our little bit of our confusion, and this is a
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00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:04.720
heavy lift, you've got a really good sci fi. You've
533
00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:07.680
got to get in there really deep and really study
534
00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:10.800
this thing to understand all the kind of incredible concepts
535
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:14.000
that are being espoused in this. But it's worth the
536
00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:14.760
deep dive.
537
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:18.559
It's an incredible piece of work from some amazing filmmakers
538
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that we already have known and loved. And I know
539
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:23.800
we're all going to be looking forward to sometime in
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00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:35.000
twenty twenty six the second season of three Body Problem.
541
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I have a good topic. I want to hear about
542
00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:39.320
what it was like you as a kid being a
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huge comic fan to finally meet people like stan Lee
544
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and Jack Carby. Well, I mean it starts out really
545
00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:49.760
with you and me both being comic book fans. You
546
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were into DC comics, I was, but you're really the
547
00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:53.719
comic guy.
548
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I mean, but.
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00:34:56.000 --> 00:34:58.639
Time has proven that some of those DC characters were
550
00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:00.480
I think a lot better than you were and credit
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00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:03.360
for at the time. Yeah, I think Marvel was more popular,
552
00:35:03.440 --> 00:35:06.639
only wronging up there. Yeah, for me, it was definitely Marvel.
553
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:08.760
And you know, you remember I was obsessed. I used
554
00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:12.119
to go down to Sweets and Treats every every week
555
00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:16.599
and the owner would literally hold the comic books that
556
00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:19.480
are all wrapped together and steal given to give me
557
00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.639
the wirecutters. I break it open and I grabbed the
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comic books that I wanted because they'd be gone like
559
00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:27.920
the next day. My regular people you couldn't even get them.
560
00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:30.480
So yeah, we had a lot of context. And then
561
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:33.440
when you and I talked about well, well, after I
562
00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:36.159
went to Phil Sooni's Comic con of sixty nine, that
563
00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:39.280
was sixty nine, right, Yeah, you and I talked about
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Stewart Convention, and just by coincidence, you know, my dad,
565
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the great Mom mail and was working half a block
566
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from the New York Hotel. So we were able to
567
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I don't know how we did, but score that that deal,
568
00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:57.320
get that space and ran that show. And so I
569
00:35:57.480 --> 00:35:59.800
remember you saying, well, you know who's going to be
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our first guest?
571
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And my mind.
572
00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:04.960
Immediately goes to the person that The two people I
573
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idolized the most were Jim Storenko and Jack Kirby. But
574
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:11.880
Kirby wasn't there the first time he came later that
575
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:20.280
was a very very auspicious, uh act of serendipity. Because
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of my mom working at Russell State High School in
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Forest Hills with Jack Kirby's sister, I didn't know this.
578
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For God's sake, my mom Sally comes home one day,
579
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the great Sally Mail and comes home to me one
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day and says, Adam, you know one of the teachers
581
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:39.119
that I work at school with, this is actually happened.
582
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By the way it sounds to me. Why didn't you
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ever tell me?
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I tell you?
585
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She says, Adam, you know the woman I work at
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school with. Her brother is a comic book cards. And
587
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I said, well, let's not who is it? She says, oh,
588
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well her name is Roslyn Kirby. No, yeah, the guys
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Jack Kirby. So I mean, after I pulled myself off
590
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the floor, I mean I couldn't believe it. But through
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her sister, that's how I met Jack Kirby. When was
592
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that that was her last seventy two or seventy three,
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and we had run the first show anyway, So I
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don't know how we got Jim's tranco. We used to
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go over to Walgreens or whatever I'm called, and we
596
00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:26.599
would get on the on the on the phone, got
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00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:28.599
the phone booth, garyn and I would squeeze into the
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phone booth and then we call up Let's say, uh, uh,
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00:37:33.039 --> 00:37:37.159
you know Meg Megley Wiley from the Wizard of Ouz.
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Meg Wiley was star Trek Meg, Margaret Hamill, Margaret Hamilton,
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we got turned down by her or Geen Rod and Perry,
602
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which you did get on the phone, you know, and uh,
603
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but I'm interested in like Stanley and Jack Carby were
604
00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:55.639
always fighting during those years, but you were talking to
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both of them and didn't we We had them at
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the same show a lot. Yeah, I don't think that
607
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we were necessarily putting them together, but I mean after
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getting Kirby, which was so remarkable for first as the
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cast member, Jim Joranko was the first I know between
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Garby and Land was next that what I thought, and
611
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:18.440
stan was an incredible guy to work with. Paying stand
612
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was a lot of fun. Yeah, tell people how I
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00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:26.320
used to Well, uh, so you know, Stan got a
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fee of two thousand dollars in those days. So I
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00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:31.079
go to Gary, I say, give me two thousand dollars
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because Stan wants it in cash. Right, So Gary gives
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me two thousand dollars, and Stan says, Adam, you need
618
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to meet me down on thirty third Street in my
619
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Volkswagen station wagon. We parked at thirty third and seventh, okay,
620
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and come down. I'll be sitting in the driver's seat.
621
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You'll come and sit in the in the passenger seat.
622
00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:57.400
And I want that money in an unmarked brown paper bag,
623
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and I need you to just pass it underneath the
624
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:04.000
dashboard to me. Why, I don't know. It's like spy
625
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:08.199
style anyway to go down. But by the way, getting
626
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a parking spot is in a possibility today butt And
627
00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:17.679
weirdly enough, at that same court corner right across the
628
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street was Sports Plaza where we had office and seven
629
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eight I think I believe. So, yes, I grabbed and
630
00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:30.960
I graduated, But yeah, I had to go down and
631
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:34.000
pay stand in cash. But I mean he was great,
632
00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:35.519
he was all of the bravado.
633
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:36.880
And but what.
634
00:39:36.880 --> 00:39:41.440
About the talent, putting Bravado with talent or Bravado without.
635
00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:44.199
Stan was a great writer, no less than the great.
636
00:39:44.239 --> 00:39:46.719
Sally Maelon said that he was a great writer. My
637
00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:49.920
mom was an English teacher. She was very discriminating. And
638
00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:54.039
remember what she said. She said, everybody else was thrown out.
639
00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:58.760
Everybody else's moms were throwing out their comic books. Sally
640
00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:02.119
mayl And said, know, you keep on reading those Marvel comics.
641
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There the gateway to great literature. And besides which stan
642
00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:07.559
is a great writer. Yeah, she was ahead of her time.
643
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Now so so yeah, so we got we got that endorsement.
644
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So Marvel's success is based on the combination of those two,
645
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Kirby and Stanley. I would definitely say so there was
646
00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:22.360
an amazing they catalyzed each other. I think that Kirby
647
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was the idea guy. He came up with the concepts
648
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because the way the system work would be well, I mean,
649
00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:31.760
stan might get sort of a rough idea, you know,
650
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come up with some super villain to fight the Fantastic
651
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Four in this issue. So he would tell Kirby to
652
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do that. He'd say to Kirby, come up with this
653
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:41.920
the super villain of the PA so why isn't Kirby
654
00:40:41.960 --> 00:40:45.679
the one that gets credit. Well, it's a terrible injustice
655
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:50.519
of history that Kirby has been undervalued by not today,
656
00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:53.880
because I think it's more generally accepted that Kirby was
657
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the concept and the idea guy, not to take away
658
00:40:56.840 --> 00:41:00.519
from Stan But then you know, Stan says, coming with
659
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the super villain. So Jack Kirby creates the Silver Surfer
660
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:07.559
and Galactus, I mean these unificable characters, right, and then
661
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:11.280
he does the breakdown of the story too. Kirby figures out, well,
662
00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:16.199
Fantastic four meets Yeah, Ben Grim fights the Silver Surfer,
663
00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:20.000
Galactus comes to Earth, Johnny Storm has to go find
664
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the Ultimate Nullifier, and they scare Galactus off and that's
665
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:26.159
the end of it. So what did Stan Lee do
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00:41:26.199 --> 00:41:29.360
it for that? Kirby would hand the pages to Lead
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and he'd say, there you go, and here's the broad
668
00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:34.519
strokes of how the story is unfolding, and you can
669
00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:37.519
see it looking at the pictures. Do it, and then
670
00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:39.840
stan would write the whole song. Oh, he would write,
671
00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:42.920
and then and then someone would ink him the dialogue. Yeah,
672
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:48.880
like you know Marie choose color. Sam Rose and I
673
00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:54.679
think was the letterer jose Sinot, Inking Kirby's. We worked
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with him a lot. We worked with a lot of
675
00:41:56.280 --> 00:41:58.360
those guys. But who have all of those kind of
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00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:01.280
people do you feel or like app of line creative
677
00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:03.280
geniuses because we worked with all of them. Well, there
678
00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:08.599
were different eras in our eras, definitely Lean Kirby and Storanco.
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But they were say I was the only one you're
680
00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:13.360
putting in with them? No, there were a lot of greats.
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00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:16.719
Like what about John Simon and those kids? Yeah, I
682
00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:20.039
think I don't think he was quite on that level.
683
00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:25.440
John Remita Senior was a great artist and technician, but
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I don't think on quite that level. Honestly, I think
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John Remiter Junior, his son, was an equal or greater
686
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talent to John Senior. John Remater Junior was an amazing talent.
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00:42:35.719 --> 00:42:38.320
But we sort of had a young Turk generation. They
688
00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:41.400
were young then they're all now. Yeah, I know, but yeah,
689
00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:43.199
I was going to ask you about those people like
690
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Frank Miller. Frank Miller, I mean amazing, you know, John Byrne.
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There were some incredible creative talents, and then the next
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generation they kind of passed us when we were already
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sort of moving.
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Out of that area.
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Guys like Rob Leifeld, who created I mean Deadpool. There's
696
00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:00.920
a whole thing going on with Rob that door right now.
697
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:05.079
But I mean these characters that these guys created, they're
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multi billion dollar properties. Now, if only Jack could have lived. Sadly,
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Jack miss all of Marvel movies. He was gone before
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they even the first was gone, and his estate never
701
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:19.800
got to I know, they tried the litigated. They never
702
00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:23.480
got any kind of ownership in that ip because all
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00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:25.960
that work was done for hire. Back that was worked
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for hire. But somehow or another, stand managed to wrangle
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a little bit of ownership. I don't know about that.
706
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:32.920
I think they just paid him a lot of money
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per year. I don't think he ever got ownership either. Well,
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I mean it's but his name was all over everything
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Stanley Presents, and it was never Jack Carpet. Clearly, the people,
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00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:47.920
the creators who fought for creator ownership were precient in
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the sense that these properties would end up being worth
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billions of dollars, and that they created them, they should
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have had some skin in the game, which the first
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generation certainly did. Mean. Wally Would, who was one of
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the most brilliant artists of the fifties, the ec comics
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of the great Bill Gaines Mad magazine. Wallywood came to
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one of our early shows. I remember he was drunk,
718
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he was penniless, he was a homeless person. He was
719
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o then it meant something to be home. He was homeless,
720
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and I remember him coming to our convention and just
721
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sitting on the side of the room crying, crying, yeah,
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And then Vaughan Baudet Gone came to comfort him, and
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that was such a sad sight to see. But the
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incredible comic creators of that era, not only were they
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worked for hard, not only was their ip essentially strip
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mind from them, but many of them ended up penniless
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and destitute, which was such a set so always at
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the category like Al Williamson and Roy Krankele and those guys.
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Some of those guys eked out a living, and some
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of them did that by working in other meeting paper strips, yes, sir,
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like Williams, yeah yeah, and crinkle, or doing book covers
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things like that. But it was a tough business. I mean,
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even Frank Frazetta really in his life never really know, no,
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never achieved what happened. I've just got a you know
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the story. But you know, we had Frank the Great
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Frank Frizzetta at our show a few times. A few times.
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As a matter of.
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Fact, Doug Murray brought an interview with Frizzetta to our
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fanzine Affinity. And then at one of our shows, Frizetta
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passed me a note saying, please, can I have a
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copy signed Frank Fizzetta with that factul signature. We have
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that anyway. So for Zetta, remember rents out a hotel room.
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And so I hear that Frizzetta's got a hotel room
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in our show and he's got his paintings for sing.
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I went up there. You went there. So you go
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in the room. There's two twin beds. All the Frizetta
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Conehan paintings. You know, the Frizetta paintings are out on
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the bed. Five hundred bucks a pop. No, he wasn't
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selling five hundred Yes he was. Are you sure about
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I am sure? I thought he never wanted that's life.
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Would let him sell anything? Not in that day. They
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were selling him that day and you bought how many
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er me too? Now they work so zero times four
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million dollars or so much. Put it this way, there
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was probably two hundred million dollars down things on those
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stupid beds in the style oft Hill.
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Well, I just love.
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He's the best.
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What a fantastic show. Yeah, it was really great, good stuff.
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I loved hearing about Jack Kirby and stan Lee. I
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mean the stuff they talk about. I find myself just
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kind of like leaning in.
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And so much experience they've had.
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Oh my gosh, such a history lesson. Okay, are you
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ready for this one?
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Yes? Yes, I am.
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Oh good, I'm very I'm very eagerly anticipating. What is it?
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Simon Peg? Simon Peg, you know him. He's working on
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Mission Impossible. You know him, of course from Seana Dead.
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He's Scot in the Calvin movie Star Trek Movies two
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thousand and nine, Into Darkness and Beyond. We're super excited
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to have Simon Pegg joining us at Trek to Las
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Vegas STLV twenty twenty five, August six through tenth. He
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won't be there all those days, but he'll be there,
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and we cannot wait to see you there. But it's
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going to be so awesome to see him. That line's
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gonna be so enthused, I.
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Think, Yes, I can't wait so join us for our
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next podcast, and definitely mark set your coordinates for August.
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Sixth through tenth, very tricky.
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We'll see you next time on the Creation Entertainment Podcast