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Welcome to Spooky, a paranormal podcast, joined doctor Cindy Little
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and Alison Robles as they journey through the realms of.
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The supernatural, mysterious.
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And downright eerie, from ghostly apparitions to poltergeists, from haunted
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houses to strange phenomena. Prepare to have your senses heightened
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and your beliefs challenged. It's time to grab your headphones,
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dim the lights, embrace yourself for a journey into the unknown.
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If you dare. Welcome everybody to another episode of Spooky.
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We're your host, Cindy Little and Alison Less. Okay, y'all,
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before we get started, hopefully we will get this episode out.
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It is on cursed objects, and we have recorded this
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already once and saw that it was. It was recorded,
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it was on the whole deal. Allison gets home and nothing.
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She cannot find the file to save her life, and
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so we're like, hey, we have to redo it. And
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I'm like, oh, it was cursed. It was cursed. So today, okay, seriously,
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we have been spending the last fifteen minutes, or she
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has not me, she's been spending the last fifteen minutes
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setting up a different mic and the computer and she's
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basically got plans ABCD in place, right, and so she's like, okay,
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we're good to go. I can see it. It's recording
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and right now she's like hawk eye in the computer
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screen and I do a welcome, welcome everybody, and she's like, wait,
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it's being weird again. So so far so good?
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Yes, so far so good.
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Oh my gosh. We yeah. Our episode, ironically enough, is
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on cursed objects, so I don't know what's going on.
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I'm hoping that this episode is not cursed and that
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we can actually get it out there, because it's a
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good one.
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I like this one, we too. I just needed to stop.
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I need this. The curses is stop, not this episode
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to stop.
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It's yes, how's it going. It's good.
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So far, we're good recording, it's good.
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Okay, even if we get that much out, we let
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people know, you know, hey, really this was an episode.
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We're not like shirking our responsibilities here.
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I'm just like, why does all of this have to happen.
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I'm like, cut it out, do your thing, just get
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the episode.
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It's kind of like, you know, making me think curses
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might be real, but you know, hopefully, hopefully things will
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go smoothly and we'll have a really nice podcast because
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this is a topic that I'm really interested in. I
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know you're really interested in, and so I'm I'm just
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going to jump in again. What got us thinking about that,
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or about curses and cursed objects is this past spring
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or summer, the Annabelle Doll went on tour and the
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head guy, the head guy of the tour, Dan Rivera,
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was found dead in his hotel room while on tour
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with the annabel Doll. And they say, you know, the
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police investigated, they didn't think there was anything suspicious about
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his death. They're doing an autopsy that's probably already done
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by now. I don't know the whole deal, but they're like, no,
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we have no idea how he died. And so that
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really got us thinking about curses and cursed objects and
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the annabel Doll. If you're listening to this, I know
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that ninety nine point nine percent of you listening know
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the Annabelle Doll, but if you do not, it is
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a very very cursed or supposedly cursed, raggedy ann type
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doll that used to be owned by or it was.
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I think it was investigated, but I think they owned
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it for a while Ed and Lorraine Warren it was
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in their museum, was it? Okay, that's all I know, of.
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Course, I know. I think I mentioned this in the
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last time. But the guy Matt Riff, it's a comedian,
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bought the museum and along with everything that was inside of.
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It, the Warrens Museum, okay.
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Including the abel doll. So I don't know how much
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of it is true, but according to what I've researched,
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Matt Riff it now owns.
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All of that stuff, okay.
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And he's a supposed like I guess the correct term
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is hobbyist paranormal investigator.
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Oh okay. I've heard that.
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He apparently he likes to go on investigations and everything,
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but his main gig obviously is a comedian, and so
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on the side he does normal investigating.
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Wow. Yeah, I really don't know much about the all
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other then I just hear that it's like Super Haunted
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and the Conjuring movies, some of those are based on
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the Warren's investigations and annabel I think there's a movie
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called Annabelle, So I don't know it. For some reason,
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zach Began's keeps coming to mind. Did he do something
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with annabel I don't remember.
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I yes, they actually did do a episode, and I
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forget who it was. But they had like very serious
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protocol when it came to them investigating the doll itself.
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Oh really, like they weren't allowed to touch it. They
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weren't allowed to do really much like they basically could
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just sit there and ask questions and that was it.
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Okay, probably didn't make for such great dramatic TV that
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Zach really likes.
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Well, there was some stuff that happened.
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Oh really, like a parent.
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If this is the same episode he apparently not apparently
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cout it on camera touched the doll.
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Yeah, I'm shaking my head back and forth.
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No no, no, no, no, yeah, and I'm just like, why.
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Exactly, But yeah, it's supposed to be. I've heard that
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it's supposedly haunted by a six year old girl named Annabelle.
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But she doesn't sound like a very nice girl. No, no, no,
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not at all. And wasn't there like a fire? I
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think on the same tour in one of the cities
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there was a fire.
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That was the Louisiana plantation that got on fire that
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was there. It was like one of the older, oldest
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plantations in the United.
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States while the tour was there. Yeah, hm hmm.
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Yeah. And then the whole TikTok thing of in Abe
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got lost in San Antonio and so on. The stop
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right after Louisiana was San Antonio, and there's this whole
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thing that Annabelle got lost in Texas.
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And everybody in San Antonio is clutching the rosaries. Yeah
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yeah wow.
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And then next thing, you know, the the guy that
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was her unquote handler passes.
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Yeah, this guy, yeah, Dan Rivera. I want to make
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sure he'll get his name right, Vera. That is just okay,
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that's crazy. I mean you look at that and you're like,
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weird stuff happening? I mean, is it coincidental? Is it not?
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And that's you know, these haunted objects, there's so much
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it's kind of I don't want to say folklore, but
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there's so many stories and there they always seem to
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be put in these like special boxes, and I don't know,
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I don't know if those boxes make a difference at all.
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I don't know. And I know that I mentioned this
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part too for sure. And the last one is that
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like certain psychic mediums will go in and tell you
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what kind of box to put it in, and I
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did a little bit more research, and it's a lot
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of it's like plussing the wood, and it's because just
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like how crystals do different things, the woods have different
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protective qualities into them.
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Okay, all right, well that makes it little more sense
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because yeah, when we were talking about this on the
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first run, yeah, we we were talking about that and going,
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how can they think that some plexiglass or glass cabinet
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is going to keep if it's like a really super
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negative entity or something, how is that going to bind
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it or keep it from wreaking havoc outside the box?
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I also, I still don't know about that because it's
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it's like why would it not And even if it
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did contain it, it's just fueling itself with negativity. So
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then it's like mm hmm. And then also it's not
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protecting the fear that the people might be giving off
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from soaking it up, Like why can't our the fear
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seep through the box for the object to soak up?
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I was just thinking that. I was, Oh, yes, we're
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on the same wavelength because I'm thinking, Okay, we've got
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this creepy, possibly haunted, creepy object and then you've got
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all these people that believe it's creepy, and so they're scared,
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but they're curious and they go in there and they Yeah,
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because we're sending off all this energy, who's to say that, Yeah,
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these things aren't just soaking that up.
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Yeah, And it's like I can understand it protecting from
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the inside out, but then that means that nothing's protecting
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it from the outside.
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End outside in. You're right, yeah, I mean this is
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just so weird.
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It's just it's one of those things that definitely makes
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you think, and it makes you like, like, what is
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going on here?
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Yes? Yeah, And I mean the idea of curses and stuff.
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You know, I'll ask questions about that later. I've got
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questions about that, but because it is, it's really really interesting.
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But the other two objects that I wanted to talk
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about first though, is Robert the Doll and Robert the Doll.
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I've seen Robert and that thing is huge. I mean,
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your your what five foot? Yeah, okay, I'd say you
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and Robert are roughly the same height. He might be
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a little shorter, but I mean this doll is like
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freaking huge. And Robert the Doll the story goes is
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that he was given to a boy named Jean, and
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they think it was by a lady that was with
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her servant, and she was from the Bahamas, and she
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practiced like witchcraft and voodoo and stuff. And they think
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because the family, this is all folklore or hearsay, and
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they're saying, well, you know, because she was mistreated by
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the family, she put a curse on the and then
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she gave it to Jean, the little boy, and so
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him and the doll were always together, they were never separated.
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And I mean, this thing is creepy as heck. And
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so the story goes is that Jeane died. Eventually he
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grew up and he died. And I'm not exactly sure.
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It gets a little foggy for me there. I'm not
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exactly sure how it came to be in the museum.
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It's in a little museum in Key West, Florida, and
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it's in a big, big box, big plexiglax box, and
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it's sitting there on this rocking chair and it's like
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up on a pedestal. So the darn thing is like
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looming over you, and it's got this really weird face
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and it is supposedly like one of the most cursed objects,
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and they have signs up where it's like, you know,
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respect Robert he you know people have if they don't.
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If they don't respect him, like taking his picture without permission,
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that's a big one. Then you know, calamity will follow.
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And what they also have and you think, oh, yeah,
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that's silly, haa, you know whatever, But they also have
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the museum has this huge collection of letters and you
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can like read these letters where people have come and
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visited Robert, have accidentally or purposely disrespected Robert in some way,
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and these letters are like begging him for forgiveness, and
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they're like, oh my gosh, Robert, we got in a
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car accident on the way home, or you know, my
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daughter was diagnosed with some incurable disease as soon as
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we got you know, really awful, awful stuff, like shortly
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after visited Robert. And there's like tons of these letters.
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They're just heartbreaking, and so you're kind of like, hmmm,
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it gave me a little bit of pause, you know,
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And I mean the vibe I'm not a real psychic
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E person, you know, you're you're more of the psychic
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E person. I mean, it'd be interesting to have you
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go there and get your impressions, because me not even
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being anywhere near psychic, I walked into that little area
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where he's at and I'm like, this is weird.
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Don't they sell like many versions of him?
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They do? And refrigerator magnets.
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I don't know how I feel about that.
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Yeah, well, you know, here's the funny thing. I bought
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a refrigerator magnet. I went ahead and bought a Robert
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refrigerator magnet and had it sticking on my fall cabinet
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in my office. And I mean even the refrigerator magnet
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started creeping me out. I'd like, look at it, and
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I'm just like, no, this is just no. And I
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mean I'm not like that, and I finally threw it away.
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It's like I couldn't handle having even the refrigerator magnet
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on my Faull cabinet.
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I don't know, because again, how are you supposed to
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contain an energy? And I mean that's why you have
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things like Island of the Dolls. Spirits really are just
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looking for a vessel. So what's again, what's stopping it
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from going from the big doll to one of the
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smaller dolls.
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You're taking him home, and you're taking Robert the doll
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and a mini Robber the doll. It's a mini me.
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Oh my gosh, I didn't even think about that. Well,
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and if something is that powerful and that mischievous and
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is able to pretty much do whatever it wants, yeah,
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there's nothing stopping it. I mean, obviously, Okay, if there's
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this a true connection between Robert's energy and the cursing
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he's been in that box forever, I mean, it's not
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stopping anything, you know, if there's a connection there between
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these bad things that are going on with these people
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and him.
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Obviously the box isn't stopping any negative things from happening. No, No,
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it's literally just the barrier of saying don't touch it.
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Yeah, don't touch it. Don't be an idiot, don't touch it.
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That's really all the box is doing.
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Yeah. Yeah, And of course people I know they would.
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I know, it'd probably be vandalized and grabbed and maybe stolen,
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you know, I don't know, I don't know. But yeah,
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I'm so sorry.
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I'm moving here with the yawns. Nobody's business.
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Are we still recording?
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Yes?
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Okay, yay, we're still good. Everybody. As far as I know,
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but yeah, Robert the Doll is another really really famous one.
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And then finally, I want to make sure I'm getting
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everybody here. Yes, he became associated with many misfortunes.
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And I just the again, two things that baffle my
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mind because both stuck at a box and what is
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that box really stopping?
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Yeah, it's not. I don't think it is. I don't
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think it's stopped in Dudley Squad to be honest.
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I mean, the only other thing that I could think
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of is doing protective things like you know, the normal
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salt at every seal, like the window seal, door seal.
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Yeah, and then.
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Like cleansing stuff like that.
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But it brings up It's interesting because this would bring
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up a good This would be good, These would be
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good questions for my research. Buddy, talk to Brian Late.
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He's an occultist. He casts spells. He cast a spell
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on me the other day and I'm like, oh, don't
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you dare. It was something about I you know, we
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were talking about rabbit trail here, It'll be quick. We
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were talking on the phone and I'm like, oh, I've
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got some financial difficulties I'm trying to figure out, you
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know more job stability blah blas as well, you need
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to call your financial advisor. And I'm like, I will,
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I will. Was like, no, you you call and you
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talk to me and whind me every month about I
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need more financial stability. I need to do something about
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my finances. And he's like, and you don't do anything
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that I tell you to do, so and I go, okay,
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I promise, I promise I will call my financial advisor.
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And then he he comes out with this like weird,
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I don't know, spying spell language something. He's like blah
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blah blah blah blah blah blah. And I'm like, what
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what did he just do? And okay, he says, okay,
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I just bound you to your promise and energy just
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left my body, so you have to honor your promise.
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And if you don't, you know, or else. And I'm
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like what did you just do? And and and I'm
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like stop it, stop it. I'm like that is really creepy.
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Don't do that. Don't do that. And so he's like, ah,
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he's like you're bound, You're bound your man. So yeah,
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so the guy actually like does incantations cast spells and
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and so I did I I messaged him back yesterday
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and said, all right, I have a voicemail in to
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get an appointment set up with my financial advisor, so
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you know, make it stop, don't do this. He's like, well,
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you know, I can't lift it because it doesn't work
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that way until you actually have your meeting, and so
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my meeting set for like September, and I'm just like, dude, dude,
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But all to say, back on the right track, I'm like,
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I can't believe you did that. And all to say
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is that it's folks like him and people that are
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like really steeped in curses and things like voodoo especially,
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and it's kind of like they are the ones that
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deal in these rituals and binding spells and things that
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supposedly have power to bind or control supernatural forces.
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And so this is really weird.
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One.
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I'm really happy to have a friend like that, but
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also that's also very creepy.
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I told him that, I said stop it. I was
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telling him, stop it. You're creeping me out. Stop it
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right now.
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So good job. Sendy's your friend Rob or Brian. Yes,
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good job. So yeah, way to keep her accountable.
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But also, did it have to go that war exactly.
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Didn't have to go that for Brian. If you're listening
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to this, oh my goodness. Yes, So we need to
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have him on the show to talk about this, maybe
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a Curses Part two, because he knows more about this
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kind of the questions that we have because I don't.
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I don't know. I don't know if his his little
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ritual has any power or not.
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And that's the weird thing when it comes to curses,
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Like as investigators, you have to be aware of them.
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You have to have at least the basic knowledge. But
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that's one of those like far reaches for us, it's
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very much like it's very much in our room, but
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it's also very much outside of our own because you again,
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basic knowledge. That's like expecting a two year old that
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barely knows any English to have a full fledged conversation. Yes,
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it's like they know enough English to communicate, but not
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enough to.
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Really be like, how you doing like that fluent? Yeah,
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we're not fluent in occultic practices. He is. He's been
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doing this for twenty ish plus years. Yeah, yeah, I
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didn't appreciate it, Brian, I did not appreciate it anyway. Anyway,
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we'll go on to the third one that I picked,
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and then we'll talk all of them, talk more about this,
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because yeah, this is to me, it's just really interesting.
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Brings up a lot of questions. This one's really strange.
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It's the Devic Box. And the story goes on the
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Divic Box that there was a guy that bought it
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from It's an old wine cabinet, and he bought it
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at an estate sale and then he tried to resell
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it on eBay and he makes he has this story
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of okay, I believe it's possessed by this Dibik, which
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is a Jewish evil spirit in this box, and you know,
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there's these strange carvings and jewels and things on it,
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and you know, and this thing's very dangerous. It will
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terrify or you know, terrorized the living. And of course
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that's what Zach Began's again here he is, he's in
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the mix, and he's like, okay, I gotta have this box.
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So he eventually gets the box for his Haunted museum,
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which I think is still in Las Vegas. I don't know,
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I've never been there. And supposedly the wrapper post Malone
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went to his museum and saw the Divic Box and
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then he when he left, I think he got in
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a car accident. Yeah, he got in a car accident.
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And then his private chain or his private jet malfunctioned
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in some way, so you know all you know, and
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they're just like, yeah, this is real. This is real.
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Well then circled back to that original owner and he says, no,
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it's all fake. And he said, I made it up. Yes,
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I bought this box at the estate sale, but I
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made the car beings. I made it look all creepydp
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and it's not cursed at all. It's all fake. But
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here's the and here we go back again. Here's another twist.
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But the thing is is that since that kind of
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got rolling that okay, this is something, this is a
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cursed object. Now people subsequent owners are like reporting strange
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things happening around the box, and you know, like post malone,
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you know, is that coincidence? You know? Was it not
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cursed in the beginning but along the way somehow it
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got cursed? Or were people just like putting there, like
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we're talking about with Robert the Dahl, putting their negative
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energy or their faith. I guess that's probably the way
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I look at it is. Are they putting their faith
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in the curse, and what role does that play.
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I mean, I don't know. I feel like everyone we
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always talk about like the energy that you put into something,
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and I feel like that's the only really explanation, especially
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for the Dipic Box, because I have heard stories of
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other dipic boxes, but for this one specifically, it's like,
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I feel like the belief of everyone having that energy
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going towards it is what's causing it. I mean, that's
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like one of the ways you can end up with
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the poultrygeist yep, is that you put so much energy
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into something that you end up with a spirit that
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is terrorizing your house or terrorizing you or someone else.
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So it's just this you're putting the effort in, yeah,
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to cause something to happen. So I feel like in
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this scenario with the Dibbit Box, it's very plausible that
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that's what's happening. So many people are just believing it
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when the reality is it's just this like fairytale.
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Kind of thing that was just made up, but it's grown.
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It's like it's changed and grown, and gosh, your point
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on the poltergeist is so so true. I mean, there
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have been scientific studies done. If y'all want to know
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more about those, look up the Philip Experiment and the
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Daniel Experiment. The Philip experiment. These were like researchers in Toronto, Canada.
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They were like heavy duty academic types, and they created
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a poltergeist. It took them a while, but they created one.
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And there's videos of it online and you know, and
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they made up this character Philip, and a backstory and
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everything kind of like the Dippic Box, all totally fake,
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and started to communicate with this fake spirit and sure
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enough they started getting responses so and things moving around,
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like the table moving around that they were sitting around,
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the whole deal.
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I mean, and I've seen on Kindred Kindred Kindred Spirits
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that they do a very similar experiment like experiment where
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they just they had someone that was believed to be
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haunting a location and they basically just read off fake
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facts and then came back a few hours later, if
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not the next day, to see, if you know, those
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fake facts became facts, and then sure enough it was
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solidified and those fake facts became facts.
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Yeah, it's crazy.
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It happens more than you would probably think.
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Yeah, and you look at that and I mean, and
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there back to the whole I wrote down. You know,
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voodoo death curses, you know the Voodoo religion, and there's
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other religions that do this as well, where it's like
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you have a shaman and everybody in the in the
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community thinks, okay, this power, this person's super powerful. I mean,
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they've got control of the supernatural. And if they put
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a curse on somebody, like a death curse on somebody,
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that person dies within about three days. But here's the kicker.
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The person has to know that they're cursed, and everybody
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in the community has to know that they're cursed. So
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it's not like this kind of you know, I'm the sniper,
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you know, and I'm gonna just, you know, shoot you
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out of nowhere. It's like, no, there's something about we're
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proclaiming a curse, and then the community and the person
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having faith in the power of the curse and having
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faith in the power of the shaman to the point
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where their body says, yeah, I guess we need to die,
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and they die.
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It's almost like being shunned. And a lot of you know,
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I know a lot of people it's more stickled towards
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the Amish community. Of being shown. But I mean it's
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every modern day society believes in shunning. Like you end
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up getting ousted. You have a group of friends that
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you know, you do one little thing wrong and then
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you're doing it based off of that one person that
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it's like, oh, they wronged me the most and then
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out you go mm hmm.
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Yeah. And I mean it has really awful effects on
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the person too. And I mean you think about that
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because you know, just the detrimental effects of belief or
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the positive effect because we talk about, you know, as Christians,
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the power of prayer. The Bible talks about having fail
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you know, if you've got faith as small as a
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mustard seed, you can move a mountain. So I look
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at those types of things and it's like we're in
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the mix somehow, our belief, our energy is in the
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mix somehow. But I don't think it's just us. There's
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something else at play, you know. I think this goes
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beyond just human energy. And that's where you get into
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the supernatural or the paranormal. You know, it's like, what
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is meeting us in our faith? You know? What is it?
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I mean? And it's really every like you were saying,
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religious culture because all of our religious cultures are based
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off of some kind of being that we physically can't see.
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And it's you're meeting halfway, but meeting halfway with.
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What that's it?
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00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:21.119
Yes, And it's is it whatever you know religion would
477
00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:25.359
to believe in. Is it the Earth? Is it God?
478
00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:29.839
Whatever it is? What is it that you're meeting halfway
479
00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:34.960
with that is bringing that positive or negative to you?
480
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:38.960
Yeah? And that's exactly it. And I mean that's that's
481
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:41.559
the whole thing about a lot of religions with with
482
00:32:41.720 --> 00:32:45.839
magic and spells, and you know, back to my ocultist friend,
483
00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:50.960
you know, is it's kind of like and if he
484
00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:53.079
hears this, he'll probably squawk at me about it. But
485
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:57.599
I think there's there's like a warning here because I
486
00:32:57.640 --> 00:33:02.559
look at folks like him, and I have another cultist
487
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:07.400
friend too, and they think they get really confident about
488
00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:10.880
if I say this spell or do this thing or
489
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:17.240
do this ritual, I can bind these spirits and I
490
00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:23.880
can bind They talk about binding angels and binding demons,
491
00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:30.240
and I'm like, really, do you really think that, Oh
492
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:33.240
my gosh, my stomachs, Crowley, I hope that isn't picked up.
493
00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:37.960
Do you really think that you have the power through
494
00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:45.279
your rituals to bind something like an angel or a demon.
495
00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:48.279
I mean, oh my gosh.
496
00:33:48.680 --> 00:33:51.200
I mean it kind of makes sense though, because if
497
00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:57.759
you think about it, we in Christianity we call it prayer. Yeah,
498
00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:03.799
but it's really just speaking spells. Because you are I
499
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:07.640
could pray for you and be like, send somebody to
500
00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:11.079
protect Cindy, you know, make sure that your strongest orders
501
00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:14.679
are there to protect her. With your financial situations, you're
502
00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:20.119
almost binding an angel or a good being to you
503
00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:24.199
to help you with your financial situations and to help
504
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:31.039
you get through those difficulties. So it's almost like through prayer, yes,
505
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:35.599
you're asking a higher power because of our belief in Christianity,
506
00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:41.639
but you're almost binding God or an angel to help
507
00:34:41.679 --> 00:34:44.599
you through that. And then once it happens, they almost
508
00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:47.079
go back and it's like, Okay, where's the next one.
509
00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:50.920
Ye're kind of obligating them to help you. Yeah, yeah,
510
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:52.599
and see, And that's where it gets fuzzy for me,
511
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:54.639
because I don't know. I have a tough time believing
512
00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:59.679
that we can obligate God. Yeah, but I do know
513
00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:04.000
that people have been practicing these types of things for centuries,
514
00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:07.599
and I don't think it would still be going on
515
00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:11.360
if there wasn't something to it, and if they weren't,
516
00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:14.159
you know, I don't think people would be using binding
517
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:18.000
spells that stopped working a thousand years ago.
518
00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:23.360
Yeah, And it's just it's one of those things. It's
519
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:30.159
been going on for centuries and it's how do you
520
00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:35.760
prevent that from happening? Yeah, And it's it's just one
521
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:39.280
of those things that it's mind boggling and you can
522
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:42.519
end up in five thousand different rabbit holes. Yes, you
523
00:35:42.519 --> 00:35:48.639
care that one thing and get five thousand different perspectives
524
00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:53.760
on it, because I mean, the crazy thing is is
525
00:35:54.159 --> 00:35:57.840
being an investigator you have to be open minded. Yeah, yes,
526
00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:04.239
you have your religious preference and it varies from investigator
527
00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:08.119
to investigator, but you have to be very open minded
528
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:16.639
of other investigators religious beliefs and what they prefer, because
529
00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:22.280
some do prefer, you know, to be more paganistics, some
530
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:26.039
prefer to be more it's the power of Earth and
531
00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:30.599
all that stuff. So it's like, okay, where do you
532
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:34.599
view things? And again, that's kind of where curses come from,
533
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:39.199
is you. Yes, you're being open minded and that's where
534
00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:40.039
they're coming from.
535
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:41.599
It's okay, it's.
536
00:36:41.480 --> 00:36:45.559
That belief of just fueling it.
537
00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:47.840
It's fuel to the fire, it is. And I think
538
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:51.159
you're absolutely right. That's like nail, you nailed it. Where
539
00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:53.920
it's like, I think our belief has a lot of power.
540
00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:58.320
I think our belief and nowadays, you know, they talk
541
00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:01.880
about manifesting. You know, you have a vision board and
542
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:07.960
you manifest and that's belief, that's faith and so yeah,
543
00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:13.800
and it's like you have enough faith, things happen, supernatural,
544
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:21.079
paranormal things happen because of your faith, and that's powerful.
545
00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:25.880
And yeah, you see that. Of course I see that
546
00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:29.840
in Christianity, you know, we call it answers to prayer, miracles,
547
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:31.880
you know, but there are people and other faiths and
548
00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:35.760
other religions that have those experiences too, And it just
549
00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:38.280
shows me that I think we have a lot more
550
00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:41.679
power than we realize. But I also think we have
551
00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:46.199
to be really careful and not get too big for
552
00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:50.119
our breeches and say, well, you know, I have dominion
553
00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:52.960
over this and that, and I can order angels around
554
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:55.440
and demons around and God around and you know, and
555
00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:58.280
there's no not going to be any consequences to that.
556
00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:02.559
And it's like, wouldn't do that. Yeah.
557
00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:06.239
I always say you give what or you get what
558
00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:10.800
you give? Yeah, so you give, you know, if you're
559
00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:14.719
over there pointing the finger saying, oh, you have it
560
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:19.559
coming do you? You're doing and it's like, well, now
561
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:23.559
you also have it coming to you. If you know,
562
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:26.559
if you do negative to someone else, you kind of
563
00:38:26.559 --> 00:38:29.519
have to expect that same amount of negativity that you're
564
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:31.559
putting on that person to come back to you at
565
00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:32.119
some point.
566
00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:34.920
That's a really good point. Yeah. Well, and there again,
567
00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:37.320
it's it's religions that you know, the Bible talks about
568
00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:40.000
you reap what you saw karma. I mean, that's what
569
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:43.800
that is. Yeah, it's it's kind of like, yeah, you
570
00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:47.960
put out bad juju, you're gonna get bad juju in return,
571
00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:52.000
you know. And so that's it's like these like universal
572
00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:58.199
things that we all as humans can see and have experienced.
573
00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:01.679
And and there's good stuff, I mean, oh my gosh,
574
00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:04.960
you know, oh my child, the church prayed for them
575
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:07.840
and they're heeled. You know, that's that's the wonderful stuff
576
00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:11.880
versus you know, there's really spooky scary stuff too, And
577
00:39:11.920 --> 00:39:15.760
I think that's as paranormal investigators where you know, and
578
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:20.000
this is another little tangent here. But I've known other groups, thankfully,
579
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:22.480
the ones that we work or you know, we work
580
00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:24.519
with or hang out with. We don't really work together.
581
00:39:24.599 --> 00:39:28.920
We hang out together, but you know, being really irresponsible
582
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:31.920
and going into haunted places and saying get out here, demon,
583
00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:34.440
I bind you and da da da dah, you know,
584
00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:37.960
and all this nonsense. And it's kind of like, you know,
585
00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:42.639
you need to be a lot more careful because obviously
586
00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:50.280
there's something very powerful going on and we don't have
587
00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:54.039
you know, your idea of a toddler is perfect. We
588
00:39:54.679 --> 00:40:03.159
have enough language to kind of grasp things and you know, converse,
589
00:40:03.320 --> 00:40:06.960
but not fluently, no, not even close.
590
00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:10.960
And especially in this field, you have to be careful
591
00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:18.880
because you're you're willingly opening yourself up to god knows what.
592
00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:24.840
And yes, you can know the history of a location,
593
00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:32.400
but that doesn't necessarily mean you know everything, because again
594
00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:35.639
it could be cursed, and there could be things that
595
00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:39.880
you just don't know exist at that location, and when
596
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:44.199
you go demanding for them to show themselves, you just
597
00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:48.000
might get more than what you've bargained for. You're absolutely
598
00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:52.199
you can't get mad, because again, you willingly went into
599
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:56.480
that situation. You willingly opened yourself up to it, and
600
00:40:56.559 --> 00:41:00.960
you can't get mad when something negative happens to you.
601
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:05.320
Yeah. Well yeah, and not only negative happening to you
602
00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:11.719
they're in that place, but you going home and having
603
00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:16.199
all these really awful things continue to happen to you.
604
00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:21.760
And again, it's like wording is everything, because you could
605
00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:24.719
sit and ask for them to show themselves, but you
606
00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:30.119
never know when they will, So going exactly what you're saying,
607
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:31.079
going home.
608
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:33.480
Yeah, you may show up here at the foot of
609
00:41:33.519 --> 00:41:35.760
my bed in the middle of the night and scare
610
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:36.440
the Jesus out.
611
00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:40.000
Yeah, it's just it's one of those things you don't know.
612
00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:42.880
You really don't. You really don't.
613
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:47.000
And if you get stuck in a sticky situation, unfortunately,
614
00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:51.000
you're gonna have to fight fight fire with fire. And
615
00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:55.280
that's that's why it's up to the investigator on their
616
00:41:55.480 --> 00:42:01.039
religious preferences, because their religious preferences are gonna help them
617
00:42:01.159 --> 00:42:03.199
and how to fight fire with fire.
618
00:42:03.679 --> 00:42:05.360
Yeah, So just.
619
00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:09.800
You just gotta be careful, you really do.
620
00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:12.199
And I mean, yeah, it's like I don't like watching
621
00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:15.119
those shows and I've been on early you know, this
622
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:17.679
is like before I met y'all. But you know, went
623
00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:19.760
on a few investigations with people that were a little
624
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:21.880
more hey, you know, come out here, demon, da da
625
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:22.480
da da da.
626
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:22.679
You know.
627
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:24.719
I was like, no, don't do that, don't do that.
628
00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:30.199
You don't know what you're you're asking. We really don't
629
00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:33.679
know what we're asking. So it's it's so important just
630
00:42:33.920 --> 00:42:45.719
to be careful, to be respectful and protect yourself spiritually, mentally, physically, emotionally.
631
00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:52.480
It's it's just really really important because yeah, we when
632
00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:59.199
we put ourselves in those weird paranormal situations, we're oftentimes
633
00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:02.960
bumping up against something that's beyond our understanding.
634
00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:10.360
Yeah, and it can be scary. It's one of those
635
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:15.760
things that you have to be very protective of yourself.
636
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:21.440
And I just I don't know how many people know
637
00:43:21.559 --> 00:43:22.960
how to do that early on.
638
00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:29.039
Yeah, yeah, they don't find somebody, yeah, you know. And
639
00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:32.920
so it's like for me, of course, I pray. I
640
00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:37.719
pray daily over my life and friends and family, you know,
641
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:44.239
against darkness, against harm, against evil, And I think that
642
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:47.880
that's just really important. You want to make sure that
643
00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:52.920
you're protected because yes, don't be arrogant and silly and
644
00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:55.800
think that there's nothing out there that you need to
645
00:43:55.840 --> 00:44:03.519
be protected from because that is not true at all.
646
00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:08.119
I mean, there is stuff way beyond our understanding in
647
00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:12.400
these these other worlds and these spiritual realms, and yes,
648
00:44:12.440 --> 00:44:18.559
they do exist, and yet you just need to be careful. Yeah.
649
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:22.719
Yeah, it's I don't know it. It's one of those
650
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:23.480
spooky things.
651
00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:27.239
It's spooky, spooky. That's why we do these spooky podcasts.
652
00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:30.760
And it's fascinating. I mean that's I mean, it's it's
653
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:35.199
really cool to go into all the haunted, spooky situations
654
00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:39.039
and see weird things and experience stuff. But it's just
655
00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:44.760
the more I do it, it's just be careful, Just
656
00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:52.639
be careful, be mindful, and realize that it's not like
657
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:56.360
a commercial haunted house where you know, it's like, oh,
658
00:44:56.400 --> 00:44:59.239
this is just lots of fun, and then it's like no,
659
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:03.360
they're could be some serious, serious bad ju ju here.
660
00:45:03.880 --> 00:45:04.679
Just be careful.
661
00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:08.960
Yeah, I mean, it's the easiest reference to understand is
662
00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:13.639
to imagine living in your house and a rubber comes in, yes,
663
00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:16.199
and then they're demanding for you to show their face
664
00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:22.760
or you know, face the repercussion. Well, who knows what
665
00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:25.639
you have? Right, Like, they don't know if you have
666
00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:30.280
weapons of the sorts. They just don't know they're taking
667
00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:36.760
that chance of going into your house and then facing
668
00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:43.079
their own repercussions. Yeah, because they broke into your house. Yes,
669
00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:45.480
and so it's kind of the same things. You're going
670
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:50.679
into their territory what they consider their home, and then
671
00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:53.280
for you to be making demands like show yourself and
672
00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:54.199
this and that.
673
00:45:54.079 --> 00:45:57.360
Well yeah, I bind you do this or do that
674
00:45:57.639 --> 00:46:02.159
or yeah, yeah, you don't know what europe agaunst just
675
00:46:02.199 --> 00:46:07.360
be careful, be careful. Wow, are we still recording?
676
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:07.960
Yes?
677
00:46:08.559 --> 00:46:11.400
Yay? Did we Actually? I think it's about time to
678
00:46:11.440 --> 00:46:17.960
wrap up? Yeah, anything else I don't think. So this
679
00:46:18.039 --> 00:46:20.840
is a good discussion. I hope we get this one out.
680
00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:27.519
It looks like we have. Yes, Okay, Well we're gonna
681
00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:30.519
wrap things up there. Also, I want to make a
682
00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:33.480
you know, probably not a final plug, but another plug.
683
00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:37.519
We're all really super excited because me and my parapets
684
00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:41.559
here are going to be going to an event here
685
00:46:41.599 --> 00:46:45.800
at the Waco Hippodroma on October twenty third. Steve Gonzolz
686
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:50.039
of the ghost Hunter TV show he's one of my
687
00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:53.840
favorite TV ghost Hunter guys, is going to be at
688
00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:55.039
the Hippodrama.
689
00:46:55.519 --> 00:46:56.639
I'm so excited.
690
00:46:56.760 --> 00:46:59.679
We are so excited. We're all going. But I just
691
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:01.599
want to put it out there, and I'm not seeing
692
00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:06.159
it advertised a whole bunch. But if you are interested
693
00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:10.239
in ghost hunting and and some of the stuff that
694
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:12.760
that Steve and the ghost hunters have done over the years,
695
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:16.760
please go. Yes, we will see you there.
696
00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:20.119
And also there his book is being sort of born
697
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:23.960
to Noble. Oh really, yes, I look might be going
698
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:26.199
there right after this to get.
699
00:47:26.039 --> 00:47:30.000
It, so you get him to sign it. I'm going
700
00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:30.800
to do that too.
701
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:33.800
I was like, I'm gonna go and get a copy.
702
00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:36.800
I don't really care about my husband said, so I
703
00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:40.360
can facing the repercussions, but that's okay.
704
00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:42.679
I think it's pretty pretty low risk. I'm going to
705
00:47:42.760 --> 00:47:45.559
do that too, because yeah, y'all, we we're so nerly
706
00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:49.440
that we got the VIP meeting great. So yeah, yeah,
707
00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:51.679
I'm going to be bringing the pen and the and
708
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:53.719
the book. Oh I'm so excited.
709
00:47:53.800 --> 00:47:54.360
I am too.
710
00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:56.719
We're we're all kind of geeking out about this one.
711
00:47:56.840 --> 00:48:00.440
But but yeah, if you're in the Waco area on
712
00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:03.119
October twenty third, of course, tickets will probably sell out
713
00:48:03.159 --> 00:48:09.039
before then, but yeah, come see Steve yeah, so all right,
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that's it. Thank you for listening, hopefully you will actually
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hear this, and until next time, Bye bye.
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This has been Spooky a paranormal podcast. We hope today's
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episode since shiver us down your spine and sparked your
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curiosity about all things ghostly.
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and never be afraid to explore the shadows.