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What's up, everybody? Welcome to Patreon. I like it when
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we do it French, you know. You know, when in Paris.
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What? They love that. They love that. I found when
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you go, if you go to France, they like it.
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Even if you can't speak French, if you do a
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really thick French accent, you're like showing that you're trying
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as an American. They're like, it's good enough for me.
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That's what they would say. There's a French way to
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say that. But so if you're just like, I like it.
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They're just like, oh, my God, you may not be
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able to do it exactly the way we do it.
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But three points for trying.
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Yeah, they love that. People in especially Paris are not
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judgmental at all of America.
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Excuse me. Yeah.
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Can I just tell you something that literally just happened today?
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I do not like it when people swear and then say,
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pardon my French. It's so like, first of all, it's very,
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it's rude.
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It's rude.
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It's like, well, you're not speaking French. You're just swearing.
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So now you're putting down French people and the French language.
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And what haven't we moved past that? I feel like it's,
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that's a slur at some point.
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Right. I mean, I don't think it's a slur. I wouldn't,
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we wouldn't really care if they had a saying in French,
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they're like, pardon my American.
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If they swore, if they said, man, pardon my English.
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It's kind of reflective. It's probably comes from England, you know,
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some sort of like weird culture war that England had
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way back. I would imagine something very proper. So you
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said something that was a little off color and they said,
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pardon my French. Like I bet you anything that's where
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that's coming from. I can even look it up. Where
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did pardon my French come from?
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I mean, yeah. Okay.
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I bet you, I bet you it's something like that.
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It says it began in the early 19th century as
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a literal apology for using actual French words in conversation.
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So it happened in the 1830s. English speakers frequently dropped
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French phrases into polite conversations. That's how it started. Not
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curse words to sound cultured or worldly. because not everyone
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understood French, speakers would say, excuse my French, as a
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polite apology for using foreign words. The shift to profanity
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happened due to a longstanding rivalry and culture tension between
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England and France. Am I some kind of genius? Like,
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did I like, am I Mensa or something?
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You really are.
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I called that, the British sometimes use the word French
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to describe something rude, uncouth, or improper. So that's how
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it morphed into curse words.
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So we basically picked up on an, a fight and
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made it our own.
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Well, I mean, a lot of the English sort of
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settled here and they probably, it just probably has been
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going on for a long time for hundreds of years
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that we've said some version of that is what it
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sounds like.
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Yeah.
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So there you go.
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But I think it's rude. And I think we should
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stop doing that. I wouldn't, I don't know. I, I
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am going to not take a side on that. I
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don't think, I think there's too many big things and
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that's just not one of them. But if you don't
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want to say it, you shouldn't say it. I don't.
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I never say that. I never say, pardon my French.
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Cause I just said, cock sucking asshole. Sorry. Pardon my French.
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Now that's what you should apologize for. You've said that
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on a podcast. You did not bleep yourself out. There's
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children listening. A lot of, did you know, have you
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ever looked at the stats? It's almost all kids that
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listen to us. Even Patreon under seven. We're like Miss
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Rachel for, for people just put their preschoolers in front
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of us, in front of us. It's not even a
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video show, but it's, that's not good parenting. Just putting
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your child in front of a podcast. Most of the references,
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they're not going to understand the Bill Cosby stuff. I
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don't want them to learn about it this way. It's weird. So,
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I mean, you said all that and your, your concern
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is pardon my French, but I think it's words you're using.
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Yeah.
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Okay. Well, fair enough.
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Fair. Let's, you know what?
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We'll agree to disagree. I'm on a text thread right
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now and I'm not going to read any of it,
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but it's happening in real time. I'm watching two of
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my friends fight with each other about a very complex
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political situation. And it's just dot, dot, dotting. I just
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keep watching. One of them will say, I haven't read
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any of them. I haven't caught up, but I just
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see a lot of dot, dot, dots because they are
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both furiously typing. Yeah. And have you ever been in
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there just like, okay, I'm going to sit out of
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this one for now. Well, first of all, I'm going
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to sit out because we're recording a podcast, but also
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just because I'm going to sit out, see it unfold.
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Do you ever, have you ever, let me ask you this.
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Have you ever left a, well, it doesn't matter, but
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it could be a signal chat. It could be a
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WhatsApp thing. It's, but it's a group that gets together
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and then they just text you so much that you're like,
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I can't. Oh yeah.
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I left one group and they added me back in.
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I'm actually glad they did. Cause then, you know, you know,
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as we get older, you have less people that text
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you and less groups that even want you in there.
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So it's like, just take what you can get. But
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I think what you're describing is maybe more work related stuff.
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activism related stuff. And that's not quite the same.
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Oh, you read my, you knew, you knew.
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I know.
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I mean, I remember.
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I'm in one, I'm in one activism one and oh
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my God, the messages. I was like, I can't, I
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can't with any of these people. And you don't have to.
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Pardon my French, but you don't have to. No, I
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don't have to, but there's also another one that's, that's my,
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that's a neighborhood group. That when I was first offered
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to be in it, I was like, hell yeah. Like
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it's my actual neighborhood. Like, you know, it's like the
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neighborhood within the neighborhood. I live in a neighborhood called
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Encino village, which is part of the larger neighborhood of Encino.
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And I was like, sure. I want to know. I want,
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I want to be in on the inner workings of our,
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you know, it's only like a few blocks.
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Right.
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Oh my God. It's nonstop. And it's stuff that you
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get in other groups anyway.
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Do you know what I mean? Yes. Yes. Yes.
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Like you get it in the buy nothing group. Like
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it's all, it's too much.
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Right. Too much.
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Anyway, uh, do we even want to talk about our
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topic that we were going to talk about or do
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we want to talk about it?
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You know what? Let me, let me, okay. Peek behind
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the curtain. My AC is leaking and the buck, I
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need to move my bucket. Oh, that is it. I
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think that needs to be a hold on. I could,
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I could, Okay.
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Move your bucket. I'm going to sing for you guys
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right now. There's a hole in the bucket. Dear Liza,
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dear Liza. There's a hole in the bucket.
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Dear Liza, a hole. Oh, what a great life. Things
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are really just going along. And speaking of going along,
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Roseanne seems to be doing well. We're going to talk
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about this latest feud with her ex-TV host, not host, mate.
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Well, okay.
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Co-star. Co-star.
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Co-star Michael Fishman. So from the Roseanne show. Okay, so
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Michael Fishman said something. He was, I guess he was
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asked about, let's see. I'm trying to figure out, do
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we have.
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You know what?
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Do we have what Michael Fishman said.
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In the beginning? I have the memory of what happened. Okay. Okay.
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So back in the day, way, way back, I don't
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remember exactly the year. Uh, this was the notorious Ambien
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incident where Roseanne posted a picture of Valerie Jarrett. Is
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that right? Who was, yeah, she posted a picture of
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like a democratic Democrat woman and, um, made a very
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racist comment. She compared her to, uh, planet of the
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apes monkey and put like a side-by-side or some nonsense.
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Then everybody was like, what the fuck lady? Like, what
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are you posting on Twitter? Like two in the morning.
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And she said she had taken an Ambien and that's
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not what she meant. But of course, obviously she was like,
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I don't even know who Valerie Charity is. And I
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think I have the name.
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Right.
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And so she went crazy. There was a back and forth.
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They let her go. And it was, it was the
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Connors had just come back. It had just begun as
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it sort of, um, you know, as an offshoot of Roseanne.
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And I think they'd already done a season, right? They
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were pretty popular. And then they fired her from that show,
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but decided to keep the rest of the show going, including,
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you know, John, anybody else that was involved. They didn't
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want to fire everybody. They were just like, we're going
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to kill you off. So basically they removed her from
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her own show. And at the time.
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Well, isn't that when they did that, when they called
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it the Connors show?
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Yeah, but I, oh, you're right. I guess so.
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Because it was just Roseanne.
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They were going to reboot it as Roseanne? I thought
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that they had already rebooted it as, but you're probably right.
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I never watched it because I don't watch multicam TV shows.
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I know you love them. So the kid who played DJ,
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her youngest son on the show, had posted at the
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time like, wow, I you know, I really don't agree
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with what she said here. I'm really appalled or whatever.
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And she got pretty mad at him for saying that
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back in the day. Okay. To something now, now we're
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here and somehow she, I guess, got asked about it
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and she's still pretty pissed off. Is that about right?
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Not exactly because he recently said something, which I'm going
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to click on.
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Well, that was after her latest outrage from what I understood.
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He said something about he, okay. He shared his thoughts
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on the 2018 cancellation. So I have to find what
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he said in a video posted to Instagram, Instagram. He
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responded to a comment from one of his followers who
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defended Barr for making the usual jokes a comedian makes,
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only for, quote, America to backstab her. Calling the comment
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ignorant and inaccurate, he explained, I guess the world failed
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to learn the lesson. So I'm going to point out
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we are perpetuating a lie and people are using a
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political smokescreen to justify the indefensible. pointing out that Barr
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herself deemed her remark indefensible. He said that while the
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actors and comedians were entitled to freedom of speech in
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the U.S., that doesn't mean there's no responsibility and no consequences.
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Wow.
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Okay. Okay.
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So he said, sadly, in this case, there was no joke,
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he added, and the show was rightfully canceled. So that
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was recent. So then Roseanne like lost her mind.
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About that.
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Yes.
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And here's here she is losing her mind about it.
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I have this video.
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Ready? Former co-star, I guess, Michael Fishman.
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You hear about this? Oh, I'd rather not.
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The controversy has come up again because he's saying that he's,
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you know, basically pushing back against people that are bringing
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it up.
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He said that, you know, good people make mistakes.
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But what?
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She said essentially, you know, I'm encapsulating this, but was horrible.
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He doesn't even know what I said, even though I've
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explained it 10,000 times for nine years on the Internet.
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He hasn't even taken the time to listen to what
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I say because he is a bigot and he's a
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brainwashed bigot. And when he asked me to explain it
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to him, when I'd already explained it 9,000 times, I
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told him, let me explain this to you, Michael. Go
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and f * * * yourself and stay.
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F * * * ed.
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Till the day you die. Don't f * * *.
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Put my name in your f * * * ing mouth.
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Shut the f * * * up. You are an
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ignoramus and a bigot. And you have no idea what
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I said because it contradicts the Democrat Party platform that
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you've been... had shoved down your throat and up your.
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A * *.
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And so just f * * * you. You have
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no geopolitical context whatsoever to discuss what I said. You
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think what I said about the IRGC and the Iran
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deal that destroyed the rights of women in Iran, which
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I call the planet of the apes, and the Muslim Brotherhood,
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which is just now being exposed as to the amount
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of control they have in our government here and the
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damage they've done to our constitutional rights.
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You have no f * * * ing.
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Idea of any of that, Michael. You think I said
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black people look like monkeys. Go f * * * yourself,
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you little f * * * ing worm. And I'm
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glad they fired you because I was the only reason
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you were ever on that show. They wanted to get
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rid of you in the reboot and I made them
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take you back.
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F * * * you, you little.
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F * * * ing putz.
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So let me ask you this honest, honest question. If
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after all that, she'd said, pardon my French, but that
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is upset you more than all the things she just said.
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Fuck you.
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You little fucking fuck. Fuck. Get fucked.
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You fucking worm fuck.
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Wow. Wow. But maybe I think, and this is not
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an excuse at all because there's no excuse for that.
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But I think she's just extremely mentally unwell. I mean,
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I don't know. I don't know. I think we've seen
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this for a long time. Remember when she had that
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documentary that she did where she was in Hawaii, like
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picking nuts. She like had some new life and she
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moved to Hawaii and she might still live there. I
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don't know. But she was like at a nut farm.
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If you watch that and listen to her over the years,
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I'm serious. She did have that. And over the many
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years she's talked about that she has disassociative disorder.
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One of the first people I've ever heard talk about it.
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Like I think she went on Oprah and talked about that. Yeah.
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And that she splits and that she's, you know, I don't,
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I don't know where she is, you know, like, I
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don't know what to do with that. It's and Michael,
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by the way, stays calm. As far as I can tell,
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every single time he stays as calm as you can be, like,
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he's sort of like, okay, let's address this. And I
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wish he didn't feel like he even had to. Yes,
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but he does.
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Yes.
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He feels like he has to. So he did speak
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on this. Yeah, he did.
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I want to see if this is him.
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Let's see. Hold on.
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I get this. Every day. I get these kinds of
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ignorant and inaccurate comments daily. Okay.
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Actually, that was him talking about saying the thing that
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she's going to then go crazy that he said. It
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was basically that. So now I just have to find...
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Unless you have it up already.
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Find it. Cause there's two different ones where he talks.
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Hold on. Michael. I think this is it. This is, well,
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it always says that it's going to be it. And
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then it's just somebody talking about it.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Here we go.
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Here we go. You ready?
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This is. Yes.
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Here we go.
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But while I have you. And I've been clear where
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I stand, but while I have you. there is something
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I do want to say.
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Thank you.
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Thank you, Roseanne, because after eight years, you said something
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that I was too loyal to say. Thank you for
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finally admitting publicly the truth that you and I and
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your family and your team and everybody around us has
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always known, which is that I reached out to you
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the morning of the tweets, that I gave you the
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respect of asking for clarity, and that I never turned
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my back. but I actually showed you compassion even though
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I vehemently disagreed with you. And I know she shared
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her response. Sounds pretty accurate. And I have painfully held
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that quietly for her protection. But I guess she gave
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you a glimpse into the darker side of my childhood.
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It's kind of fitting because you needed a fuller picture
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because you shared a lot of the brightest moments of
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my life. Here's what I have to say to her
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and to all of you, which is, I have tremendous
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gratitude for the years we spent working together. The legacy
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that we built echoes for eternity, but the truth is,
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it belongs to all of you, the fans who made
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it possible. And I don't talk enough about the show
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or about my experience growing up on it, and I
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might have to fix that soon to honor your kindness.
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But now it's time to move on. It's time to
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turn the page Maybe for the news outlets and the
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podcasters and the online posters who now all know the truth.
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Since you know it was slander, tomorrow is a good
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day for a retraction or an apology, maybe. But the
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truth is, I'm living something publicly that a lot of
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you have been navigating privately. And that's caring and loving
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someone who's been a powerful part of your life and
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who's changed. And we don't understand and we don't agree
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with it. And a lot of times it's the people
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who taught us the values we live by, even if
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they resent them today. Hate and bigotry in politics have
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ripped families in this country apart. So through the rage
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and hate and the alienation, I'm going to meet her
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and all the others with the capacity of my heart.
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So I don't have to take the hook of the
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fight just because people lashed out. I'm going to choose
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to remember the best in me. And I'm also going
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to set some healthy boundaries for myself. We get to
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decide who we are and our actions show who we are.
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And every day in my podcast, my writing, my directing,
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my acting, I celebrate the most amazing people in the
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beautiful and humanity. So I'm going to make art from
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the joy and the pain.
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Hi. Boom.
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Yeah.
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He goes on for quite some time about that. So
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that was it. There's another thing that I've said. He's
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made a few clips where he's like, Oh, and so.
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listen to my podcast and read my, it's all like
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kind of a pretty big plug.
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He's like, and so that's all, that's all I'm going
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to say. I'm just going to lead with love and
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we're done. Hi again.
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Yeah.
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Michael, Michael Fishman here.
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It's me. And so he says it in a way
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that I would be really annoyed if I were her,
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to be honest too, because he's like, and so remember
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the power of Christ. And if you didn't remember one thing,
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because I'm looking at his thing right now and yes,
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it is most of his stuff. He wants you to
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come and talk about Christ. And I think that's, that's
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a good way to display that. Like if you want
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to say, Hey, I want to teach the teachings of
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Christianity because that's strongly what he believes. That's totally fine.
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And the best way to do that, you know, like
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it's like almost like a political move. Right.
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Oh, good.
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I'm glad you went crazy and showed that you're crazy.
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And then he basically is threatening her. He's like, Hmm,
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maybe I'll expose the dark side unless you apologize, but
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who knows? Maybe not. Jesus Christ is your Lord and savior.
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It's a little, uh, it is a better of the,
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you know, of course we side with him on, on this.
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I love it.
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I would love it. If you just didn't, if you're like,
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you know what? She's just speaking her truth and you
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can't handle it. You can't handle the truth.
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Yeah.
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I mean, yes, but I mean, he's saying also.
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Hi, Michael Fishman here.
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He pops back in without you.
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Hey, it's me again. Hey, did I mention Jesus? I
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want to make sure of it.
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And so I just want to thank Roseanne again. I
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just want to, she's a great, she's a great lady.
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She's a beautiful lady. Thank you.
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Thank you, Roseanne. And wonderful. And thanks for being such
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a cunt. I'm sorry. Did I say that? Thanks for
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being such a terrible person.
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Yeah.
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Pardon my French, but I want to show the darkness
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of what I've seen for so long and maybe I'll
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write a book about it. I don't know. Or maybe
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she could apologize, but don't forget, read my book and
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my writing.
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And listen to my podcast, but also listen to our podcast.
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You did not, you did not know it was going
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to go this way at all. You're like, let's zoom
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out a little. might've been annoying, but she's crazy and awful.
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And it's weird that she kept calling him a bigot.
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That's I'm confused by that because I don't know who
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he's being a little projection.
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Yes.
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But also I love the fact that she's like, you
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don't get it at all. You're so wrong. You're the bigot.
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And it's like, well, I guess a lot of people
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didn't get it Roseanne. Cause you got canceled. Your show
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got canceled. Like, I don't think it's Michael Fishman's fault.
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Right, it's definitely not.
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He's allowed to say he doesn't agree with you, but
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you see, she just lashes if people don't agree.
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Oh, lashes beyond.
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Yeah.
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Lashes in every possible, like absolutely crazy. And I don't
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get it. I don't get the big, and that's the
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thing that really confused me the most. We know she's
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gonna use crazy words and lash out at people and
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that's kind of what she does, but I don't know
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why him. Why him? Oh, because he got, you know,
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it was like, oh yeah, I just, I have to
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speak on this. Like I'm, he's associated with her most
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of his life since he was a child. Right. And
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she said this like crazy thing. So he's sort of like,
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just for the record, like I, I do not agree
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with this tweet. And that's okay for her to be
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that mad. Like that's crazy. She's mad at everybody. I
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assume she was really mad at John Goodman. I'm sure
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she was mad at every single person that continued the
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Connors without her. Oh yeah. Yeah. And I mean, of
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course I would be too. But at the same time,
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like at what point do you not just go, God,
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that was the dumbest tweet. It is not. And I
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think she did say that. I think she did say,
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I didn't mean it like that.
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No, she didn't though. She said, what she said was,
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I don't even know. I didn't even know Valerie Jarrett
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was black. So how could I have been being racist?
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I keep wanting to say like from the comeback, Valerie Cherish,
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but that is not right.
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Yeah.
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Oh yeah.
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She did say that at first. She never really acknowledged. Yeah,
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she claimed she didn't know she was black.
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I wonder if there's a podcast of her talking about
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that originally. I'd love to see if I can find her, like,
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Roseanne right after tweet gate. Let's see if that comes up. Yeah,
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so ABC, this is, they just said, you know, immediately,
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just hours after she posted her racist tweet about former
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Obama advisor Valerie Jarrett, So she deleted the tweet. She
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apologized to Valerie and the public, calling her post a
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bad joke and poor taste. Right. And but like, what
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was the joke? And that's what he was saying. There
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was no joke. What's the joke?
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No, it's not a joke. It's a planet of the apes.
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It's a comparing a black person to an ape.
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Which is everybody knows is incredibly racist. It's not like
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you can go, well, I didn't know that. I'm just saying.
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I mean, come on.
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She got in a fight with Ambien. No joke. So
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she blamed Ambien as something I take. And then the
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maker of Ambien, the medication called Sanofi, who is, I guess,
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the CEO, the maker, famously responded, racism is not a
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known side effect of the drug. They went on Twitter.
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They fucking went on Twitter. And it's not. Someone who
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takes Ambien has never made me racist. That you know about. Well,
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I mean, except for towards, like, you know, the French.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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ABC Entertainment president Channing Dungey announced the immediate cancellation of
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the revival, calling her comments abhorrent, inconsistent with her values.
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And then she got dropped by everyone. ICM, remember them?
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They dropped her. They don't even exist anymore. That's how
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long ago this even mattered. All her Netflix stuff, everything,
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they just took her out.
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Could you imagine if she was like now making a
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video about ICM and going, fuck you, ICM. You're a
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shitty agency. I kept you afloat. I was your best client.
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I'm asking AI if anyone, and I know we're not
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supposed to ask AI stuff, but I just asked if
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anyone defended Roseanne. It says, yes, a small number of
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public figures and fellow comedians did defend her. Would you
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like to know who? While the overwhelming majority of Hollywood
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and the public condemned her actions, notable responses in her
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defense included John Goodman, her longtime onscreen husband broke his
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silence months later, stating, that he knew for a fact
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that she was not a racist and expressed sadness.
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Okay.
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I understand they were friends. Ted Nugent got in there.
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He defended her. The outspoken rock musician defended her, calling
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her a patriot and arguing that the backlash was a
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double standard in Hollywood. Norm MacDonald defended her. Now they
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were friends. He worked on the show. Norm's was the
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famous story I told you about the Roseanne. We did
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a whole Patreon on it. I can come back to that.
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But He lamented the rapid destruction of her career, arguing
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that she had a severe mental health lapse, pointing out
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that she had actively helped other comedians behind the scenes
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for decades. Trump defended her. Charlie Sheen defended her. He
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attempted to use her show's cancellation to advocate for the
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return of his own former hit series, Two and a
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Half Men. Of course, of course he did. So he
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didn't really totally defend, but don't forget the norm. Remember
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the norm thing? Do you want me to remind you?
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Remind me.
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Yeah, I love this story. It's an old Hollywood story,
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but apparently it's true. And I'm just going to tell
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it to you because I'll try to do it the
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way my friend told me, but it's like, you're really
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in Hollywood once you know the story. So back in
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the day, Roseanne had her show in the eighties and
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she used to go, sometimes she didn't like love her writers.
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So she would go to the comedy store and like
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watch standups that she thought were funny and then ask
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them if they wanted to come into the writer's room
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and say, I really like your voice and the way
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you think. And can you come sit in on a
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couple episodes? So there was a comedian. I don't remember
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his name. Norm tells this story. His first name was
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David and he was a black guy and he didn't
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really know who Roseanne was. Like he didn't watch the show. Right, right, right.
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She's like, you want to come in and sit on
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the show? And he's like, okay. So he goes and
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sits for months. And he's in the writer's room. And
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usually that means what there's 10 back in the day,
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there would be like 10 people sitting around a table
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coming up, throwing out jokes and stuff. And so he'd
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be doing that months and months. And then after like
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two months, the showrunner may have been Norman. I don't remember.
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The showrunner was like, Hey, David, did you have any
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ideas for the B plot? You know, like we need
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some jokes on the B plot about, you know, Jackie.
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And he goes, who Jackie? Yes, that's the who Jackie joke.
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You can Google who Jackie and Roseanne and this will
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come up. It's like either something Norm made up, which
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is possible because he did that. made up stories all
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the time just for fun. Or I think it's a
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true story, but he, this, this guy, and I love it.
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We all related to this guy. We could totally see
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ourselves be like, okay, I'll take this job. And then
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you're not listening at all. And you don't even know
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the character of the name of the person who is
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Roseanne's sister on the show for two months.
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Yes.
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Could you help us with the B plot with Jackie?
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Who Jackie?
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That is like the best story.
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I love that. And Norm told it much better, but
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it is, I guess Norm knew her well enough to
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be like, obviously she's having some kind of breakdown, but
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at what point do you stop saying that about people?
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Like you could say that about Trump. Well, he's just
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probably sick in the head. Yes, clearly, clearly he's sick
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in the head, but it's no defense.
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No, no. I mean, it is what it is, but
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as you said, it is sad to see somebody. And
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you know, we've talked about this before about kind of
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mental illness and how For some people, it becomes a
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religious thing, but for other people, it becomes like politics.
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Yes. You know?
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Yes.
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And everything's, and conspiracy theories and QAnon, like that's also
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a type of mental illness and the government.
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Like a paranoia. Yes.
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Yeah.
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I guess if you want to choose, if you had
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to choose between the two, I'd rather have religious revelations.
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That'd be, sounds like more fun because you think you
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figured out life at least, even though, you know, it's
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not going all that well, but yeah, that seems better. Yeah,
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I agree. Well, that's what we got.
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Yeah.
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That's a lot.
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Yeah. We love you guys and we will see you
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real soon.
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Like real soon.
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Yeah. Bye.
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Bye.
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What's up, everybody? Welcome to Patreon. I like it when
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we do it French, you know. You know, when in Paris.
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What? They love that. They love that. I found when
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you go, if you go to France, they like it.
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Even if you can't speak French, if you do a
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really thick French accent, you're like showing that you're trying
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as an American. They're like, it's good enough for me.
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That's what they would say. There's a French way to
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say that. But so if you're just like, I like it.
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They're just like, oh, my God, you may not be
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able to do it exactly the way we do it.
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But three points for trying.
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Yeah, they love that. People in especially Paris are not
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judgmental at all of America.
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Excuse me. Yeah.
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Can I just tell you something that literally just happened today?
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I do not like it when people swear and then say,
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pardon my French. It's so like, first of all, it's very,
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it's rude.
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It's rude.
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It's like, well, you're not speaking French. You're just swearing.
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So now you're putting down French people and the French language.
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And what haven't we moved past that? I feel like it's,
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that's a slur at some point.
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Right. I mean, I don't think it's a slur. I wouldn't,
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we wouldn't really care if they had a saying in French,
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they're like, pardon my American.
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If they swore, if they said, man, pardon my English.
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It's kind of reflective. It's probably comes from England, you know,
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some sort of like weird culture war that England had
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way back. I would imagine something very proper. So you
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said something that was a little off color and they said,
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pardon my French. Like I bet you anything that's where
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that's coming from. I can even look it up. Where
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did pardon my French come from?
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I mean, yeah. Okay.
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I bet you, I bet you it's something like that.
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It says it began in the early 19th century as
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a literal apology for using actual French words in conversation.
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So it happened in the 1830s. English speakers frequently dropped
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French phrases into polite conversations. That's how it started. Not
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curse words to sound cultured or worldly. because not everyone
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understood French, speakers would say, excuse my French, as a
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polite apology for using foreign words. The shift to profanity
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happened due to a longstanding rivalry and culture tension between
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England and France. Am I some kind of genius? Like,
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did I like, am I Mensa or something?
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You really are.
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I called that, the British sometimes use the word French
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to describe something rude, uncouth, or improper. So that's how
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it morphed into curse words.
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So we basically picked up on an, a fight and
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made it our own.
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Well, I mean, a lot of the English sort of
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settled here and they probably, it just probably has been
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going on for a long time for hundreds of years
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that we've said some version of that is what it
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sounds like.
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Yeah.
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So there you go.
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But I think it's rude. And I think we should
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stop doing that. I wouldn't, I don't know. I, I
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am going to not take a side on that. I
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don't think, I think there's too many big things and
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that's just not one of them. But if you don't
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want to say it, you shouldn't say it. I don't.
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I never say that. I never say, pardon my French.
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Cause I just said, cock sucking asshole. Sorry. Pardon my French.
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Now that's what you should apologize for. You've said that
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on a podcast. You did not bleep yourself out. There's
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children listening. A lot of, did you know, have you
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ever looked at the stats? It's almost all kids that
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listen to us. Even Patreon under seven. We're like Miss
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Rachel for, for people just put their preschoolers in front
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of us, in front of us. It's not even a
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video show, but it's, that's not good parenting. Just putting
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your child in front of a podcast. Most of the references,
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they're not going to understand the Bill Cosby stuff. I
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don't want them to learn about it this way. It's weird. So,
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I mean, you said all that and your, your concern
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is pardon my French, but I think it's words you're using.
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Yeah.
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Okay. Well, fair enough.
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Fair. Let's, you know what?
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We'll agree to disagree. I'm on a text thread right
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now and I'm not going to read any of it,
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but it's happening in real time. I'm watching two of
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my friends fight with each other about a very complex
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political situation. And it's just dot, dot, dotting. I just
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keep watching. One of them will say, I haven't read
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any of them. I haven't caught up, but I just
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see a lot of dot, dot, dots because they are
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both furiously typing. Yeah. And have you ever been in
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there just like, okay, I'm going to sit out of
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this one for now. Well, first of all, I'm going
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to sit out because we're recording a podcast, but also
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just because I'm going to sit out, see it unfold.
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Do you ever, have you ever, let me ask you this.
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Have you ever left a, well, it doesn't matter, but
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it could be a signal chat. It could be a
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WhatsApp thing. It's, but it's a group that gets together
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and then they just text you so much that you're like,
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I can't. Oh yeah.
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I left one group and they added me back in.
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I'm actually glad they did. Cause then, you know, you know,
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as we get older, you have less people that text
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you and less groups that even want you in there.
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So it's like, just take what you can get. But
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I think what you're describing is maybe more work related stuff.
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activism related stuff. And that's not quite the same.
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Oh, you read my, you knew, you knew.
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I know.
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I mean, I remember.
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I'm in one, I'm in one activism one and oh
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my God, the messages. I was like, I can't, I
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can't with any of these people. And you don't have to.
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Pardon my French, but you don't have to. No, I
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don't have to, but there's also another one that's, that's my,
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that's a neighborhood group. That when I was first offered
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to be in it, I was like, hell yeah. Like
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it's my actual neighborhood. Like, you know, it's like the
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neighborhood within the neighborhood. I live in a neighborhood called
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Encino village, which is part of the larger neighborhood of Encino.
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And I was like, sure. I want to know. I want,
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you know, it's only like a few blocks.
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Oh my God. It's nonstop. And it's stuff that you
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get in other groups anyway.
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Do you know what I mean? Yes. Yes. Yes.
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Like you get it in the buy nothing group. Like
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it's all, it's too much.
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Right. Too much.
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Anyway, uh, do we even want to talk about our
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topic that we were going to talk about or do
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we want to talk about it?
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You know what? Let me, let me, okay. Peek behind
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the curtain. My AC is leaking and the buck, I
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need to move my bucket. Oh, that is it. I
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think that needs to be a hold on. I could,
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I could, Okay.
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Move your bucket. I'm going to sing for you guys
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right now. There's a hole in the bucket. Dear Liza,
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dear Liza. There's a hole in the bucket.
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Dear Liza, a hole. Oh, what a great life. Things
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are really just going along. And speaking of going along,
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Roseanne seems to be doing well. We're going to talk
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about this latest feud with her ex-TV host, not host, mate.
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Well, okay.
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Co-star. Co-star.
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Co-star Michael Fishman. So from the Roseanne show. Okay, so
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Michael Fishman said something. He was, I guess he was
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asked about, let's see. I'm trying to figure out, do
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we have.
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You know what?
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Do we have what Michael Fishman said.
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In the beginning? I have the memory of what happened. Okay. Okay.
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So back in the day, way, way back, I don't
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remember exactly the year. Uh, this was the notorious Ambien
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incident where Roseanne posted a picture of Valerie Jarrett. Is
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that right? Who was, yeah, she posted a picture of
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like a democratic Democrat woman and, um, made a very
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racist comment. She compared her to, uh, planet of the
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apes monkey and put like a side-by-side or some nonsense.
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Then everybody was like, what the fuck lady? Like, what
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are you posting on Twitter? Like two in the morning.
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And she said she had taken an Ambien and that's
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not what she meant. But of course, obviously she was like,
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I don't even know who Valerie Charity is. And I
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think I have the name.
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And so she went crazy. There was a back and forth.
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They let her go. And it was, it was the
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Connors had just come back. It had just begun as
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it sort of, um, you know, as an offshoot of Roseanne.
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were pretty popular. And then they fired her from that show,
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but decided to keep the rest of the show going, including,
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you know, John, anybody else that was involved. They didn't
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want to fire everybody. They were just like, we're going
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to kill you off. So basically they removed her from
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her own show. And at the time.
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it the Connors show?
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Because it was just Roseanne.
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They were going to reboot it as Roseanne? I thought
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that they had already rebooted it as, but you're probably right.
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I never watched it because I don't watch multicam TV shows.
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I know you love them. So the kid who played DJ,
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her youngest son on the show, had posted at the
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time like, wow, I you know, I really don't agree
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with what she said here. I'm really appalled or whatever.
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And she got pretty mad at him for saying that
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back in the day. Okay. To something now, now we're
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here and somehow she, I guess, got asked about it
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and she's still pretty pissed off. Is that about right?
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Not exactly because he recently said something, which I'm going
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He said something about he, okay. He shared his thoughts
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on the 2018 cancellation. So I have to find what
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he said in a video posted to Instagram, Instagram. He
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responded to a comment from one of his followers who
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defended Barr for making the usual jokes a comedian makes,
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only for, quote, America to backstab her. Calling the comment
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ignorant and inaccurate, he explained, I guess the world failed
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to learn the lesson. So I'm going to point out
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we are perpetuating a lie and people are using a
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political smokescreen to justify the indefensible. pointing out that Barr
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herself deemed her remark indefensible. He said that while the
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actors and comedians were entitled to freedom of speech in
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the U.S., that doesn't mean there's no responsibility and no consequences.
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So he said, sadly, in this case, there was no joke,
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he added, and the show was rightfully canceled. So that
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was recent. So then Roseanne like lost her mind.
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And here's here she is losing her mind about it.
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I have this video.
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Ready? Former co-star, I guess, Michael Fishman.
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You hear about this? Oh, I'd rather not.
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The controversy has come up again because he's saying that he's,
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you know, basically pushing back against people that are bringing
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He said that, you know, good people make mistakes.
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She said essentially, you know, I'm encapsulating this, but was horrible.
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He doesn't even know what I said, even though I've
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explained it 10,000 times for nine years on the Internet.
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He hasn't even taken the time to listen to what
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I say because he is a bigot and he's a
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brainwashed bigot. And when he asked me to explain it
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to him, when I'd already explained it 9,000 times, I
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told him, let me explain this to you, Michael. Go
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and f * * * yourself and stay.
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F * * * ed.
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Till the day you die. Don't f * * *.
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Put my name in your f * * * ing mouth.
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Shut the f * * * up. You are an
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ignoramus and a bigot. And you have no idea what
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I said because it contradicts the Democrat Party platform that
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you've been... had shoved down your throat and up your.
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A * *.
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And so just f * * * you. You have
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no geopolitical context whatsoever to discuss what I said. You
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think what I said about the IRGC and the Iran
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deal that destroyed the rights of women in Iran, which
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I call the planet of the apes, and the Muslim Brotherhood,
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which is just now being exposed as to the amount
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of control they have in our government here and the
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damage they've done to our constitutional rights.
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You have no f * * * ing.
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Idea of any of that, Michael. You think I said
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black people look like monkeys. Go f * * * yourself,
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you little f * * * ing worm. And I'm
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glad they fired you because I was the only reason
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you were ever on that show. They wanted to get
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rid of you in the reboot and I made them
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take you back.
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F * * * you, you little.
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F * * * ing putz.
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So let me ask you this honest, honest question. If
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after all that, she'd said, pardon my French, but that
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is upset you more than all the things she just said.
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Fuck you.
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You little fucking fuck. Fuck. Get fucked.
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You fucking worm fuck.
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Wow. Wow. But maybe I think, and this is not
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an excuse at all because there's no excuse for that.
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this for a long time. Remember when she had that
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documentary that she did where she was in Hawaii, like
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picking nuts. She like had some new life and she
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moved to Hawaii and she might still live there. I
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don't know. But she was like at a nut farm.
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If you watch that and listen to her over the years,
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I'm serious. She did have that. And over the many
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years she's talked about that she has disassociative disorder.
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One of the first people I've ever heard talk about it.
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Like I think she went on Oprah and talked about that. Yeah.
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And that she splits and that she's, you know, I don't,
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I don't know where she is, you know, like, I
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don't know what to do with that. It's and Michael,
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by the way, stays calm. As far as I can tell,
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every single time he stays as calm as you can be, like,
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he's sort of like, okay, let's address this. And I
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wish he didn't feel like he even had to. Yes,
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but he does.
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He feels like he has to. So he did speak
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on this. Yeah, he did.
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I want to see if this is him.
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Let's see. Hold on.
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I get this. Every day. I get these kinds of
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ignorant and inaccurate comments daily. Okay.
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Actually, that was him talking about saying the thing that
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she's going to then go crazy that he said. It
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was basically that. So now I just have to find...
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Unless you have it up already.
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Find it. Cause there's two different ones where he talks.
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Hold on. Michael. I think this is it. This is, well,
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it always says that it's going to be it. And
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then it's just somebody talking about it.
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Here we go.
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Here we go. You ready?
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This is. Yes.
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Here we go.
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But while I have you. And I've been clear where
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I stand, but while I have you. there is something
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I do want to say.
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Thank you.
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Thank you, Roseanne, because after eight years, you said something
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that I was too loyal to say. Thank you for
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finally admitting publicly the truth that you and I and
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your family and your team and everybody around us has
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always known, which is that I reached out to you
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the morning of the tweets, that I gave you the
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respect of asking for clarity, and that I never turned
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my back. but I actually showed you compassion even though
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I vehemently disagreed with you. And I know she shared
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her response. Sounds pretty accurate. And I have painfully held
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that quietly for her protection. But I guess she gave
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you a glimpse into the darker side of my childhood.
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It's kind of fitting because you needed a fuller picture
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because you shared a lot of the brightest moments of
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my life. Here's what I have to say to her
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and to all of you, which is, I have tremendous
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gratitude for the years we spent working together. The legacy
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that we built echoes for eternity, but the truth is,
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it belongs to all of you, the fans who made
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it possible. And I don't talk enough about the show
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or about my experience growing up on it, and I
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might have to fix that soon to honor your kindness.
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But now it's time to move on. It's time to
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turn the page Maybe for the news outlets and the
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podcasters and the online posters who now all know the truth.
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Since you know it was slander, tomorrow is a good
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day for a retraction or an apology, maybe. But the
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truth is, I'm living something publicly that a lot of
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you have been navigating privately. And that's caring and loving
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someone who's been a powerful part of your life and
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who's changed. And we don't understand and we don't agree
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with it. And a lot of times it's the people
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who taught us the values we live by, even if
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they resent them today. Hate and bigotry in politics have
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ripped families in this country apart. So through the rage
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and hate and the alienation, I'm going to meet her
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and all the others with the capacity of my heart.
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So I don't have to take the hook of the
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fight just because people lashed out. I'm going to choose
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to remember the best in me. And I'm also going
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to set some healthy boundaries for myself. We get to
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decide who we are and our actions show who we are.
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And every day in my podcast, my writing, my directing,
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my acting, I celebrate the most amazing people in the
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beautiful and humanity. So I'm going to make art from
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the joy and the pain.
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Hi. Boom.
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He goes on for quite some time about that. So
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that was it. There's another thing that I've said. He's
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made a few clips where he's like, Oh, and so.
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listen to my podcast and read my, it's all like
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kind of a pretty big plug.
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He's like, and so that's all, that's all I'm going
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to say. I'm just going to lead with love and
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we're done. Hi again.
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Yeah.
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Michael, Michael Fishman here.
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It's me. And so he says it in a way
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that I would be really annoyed if I were her,
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to be honest too, because he's like, and so remember
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the power of Christ. And if you didn't remember one thing,
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because I'm looking at his thing right now and yes,
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it is most of his stuff. He wants you to
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come and talk about Christ. And I think that's, that's
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a good way to display that. Like if you want
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to say, Hey, I want to teach the teachings of
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Christianity because that's strongly what he believes. That's totally fine.
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And the best way to do that, you know, like
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it's like almost like a political move. Right.
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Oh, good.
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I'm glad you went crazy and showed that you're crazy.
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And then he basically is threatening her. He's like, Hmm,
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maybe I'll expose the dark side unless you apologize, but
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who knows? Maybe not. Jesus Christ is your Lord and savior.
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It's a little, uh, it is a better of the,
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you know, of course we side with him on, on this.
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I love it.
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I would love it. If you just didn't, if you're like,
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you know what? She's just speaking her truth and you
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can't handle it. You can't handle the truth.
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Yeah.
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I mean, yes, but I mean, he's saying also.
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Hi, Michael Fishman here.
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He pops back in without you.
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Hey, it's me again. Hey, did I mention Jesus? I
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want to make sure of it.
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And so I just want to thank Roseanne again. I
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just want to, she's a great, she's a great lady.
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She's a beautiful lady. Thank you.
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Thank you, Roseanne. And wonderful. And thanks for being such
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a cunt. I'm sorry. Did I say that? Thanks for
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being such a terrible person.
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Yeah.
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Pardon my French, but I want to show the darkness
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of what I've seen for so long and maybe I'll
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write a book about it. I don't know. Or maybe
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she could apologize, but don't forget, read my book and
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my writing.
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And listen to my podcast, but also listen to our podcast.
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You did not, you did not know it was going
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to go this way at all. You're like, let's zoom
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out a little. might've been annoying, but she's crazy and awful.
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And it's weird that she kept calling him a bigot.
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That's I'm confused by that because I don't know who
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he's being a little projection.
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Yes.
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But also I love the fact that she's like, you
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don't get it at all. You're so wrong. You're the bigot.
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And it's like, well, I guess a lot of people
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didn't get it Roseanne. Cause you got canceled. Your show
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got canceled. Like, I don't think it's Michael Fishman's fault.
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Right, it's definitely not.
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He's allowed to say he doesn't agree with you, but
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you see, she just lashes if people don't agree.
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Oh, lashes beyond.
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Yeah.
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Lashes in every possible, like absolutely crazy. And I don't
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get it. I don't get the big, and that's the
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thing that really confused me the most. We know she's
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gonna use crazy words and lash out at people and
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that's kind of what she does, but I don't know
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why him. Why him? Oh, because he got, you know,
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it was like, oh yeah, I just, I have to
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speak on this. Like I'm, he's associated with her most
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of his life since he was a child. Right. And
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she said this like crazy thing. So he's sort of like,
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just for the record, like I, I do not agree
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with this tweet. And that's okay for her to be
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that mad. Like that's crazy. She's mad at everybody. I
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assume she was really mad at John Goodman. I'm sure
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she was mad at every single person that continued the
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Connors without her. Oh yeah. Yeah. And I mean, of
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course I would be too. But at the same time,
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like at what point do you not just go, God,
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that was the dumbest tweet. It is not. And I
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think she did say that. I think she did say,
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I didn't mean it like that.
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No, she didn't though. She said, what she said was,
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I don't even know. I didn't even know Valerie Jarrett
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was black. So how could I have been being racist?
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I keep wanting to say like from the comeback, Valerie Cherish,
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but that is not right.
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Yeah.
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Oh yeah.
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She did say that at first. She never really acknowledged. Yeah,
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she claimed she didn't know she was black.
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I wonder if there's a podcast of her talking about
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that originally. I'd love to see if I can find her, like,
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Roseanne right after tweet gate. Let's see if that comes up. Yeah,
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so ABC, this is, they just said, you know, immediately,
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just hours after she posted her racist tweet about former
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Obama advisor Valerie Jarrett, So she deleted the tweet. She
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apologized to Valerie and the public, calling her post a
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bad joke and poor taste. Right. And but like, what
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was the joke? And that's what he was saying. There
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was no joke. What's the joke?
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No, it's not a joke. It's a planet of the apes.
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It's a comparing a black person to an ape.
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Yeah.
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Which is everybody knows is incredibly racist. It's not like
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you can go, well, I didn't know that. I'm just saying.
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I mean, come on.
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She got in a fight with Ambien. No joke. So
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she blamed Ambien as something I take. And then the
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maker of Ambien, the medication called Sanofi, who is, I guess,
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the CEO, the maker, famously responded, racism is not a
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known side effect of the drug. They went on Twitter.
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They fucking went on Twitter. And it's not. Someone who
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takes Ambien has never made me racist. That you know about. Well,
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I mean, except for towards, like, you know, the French.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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ABC Entertainment president Channing Dungey announced the immediate cancellation of
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the revival, calling her comments abhorrent, inconsistent with her values.
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And then she got dropped by everyone. ICM, remember them?
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They dropped her. They don't even exist anymore. That's how
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long ago this even mattered. All her Netflix stuff, everything,
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they just took her out.
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Could you imagine if she was like now making a
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video about ICM and going, fuck you, ICM. You're a
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shitty agency. I kept you afloat. I was your best client.
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I'm asking AI if anyone, and I know we're not
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supposed to ask AI stuff, but I just asked if
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anyone defended Roseanne. It says, yes, a small number of
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public figures and fellow comedians did defend her. Would you
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like to know who? While the overwhelming majority of Hollywood
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and the public condemned her actions, notable responses in her
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defense included John Goodman, her longtime onscreen husband broke his
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silence months later, stating, that he knew for a fact
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that she was not a racist and expressed sadness.
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Okay.
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I understand they were friends. Ted Nugent got in there.
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He defended her. The outspoken rock musician defended her, calling
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her a patriot and arguing that the backlash was a
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double standard in Hollywood. Norm MacDonald defended her. Now they
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were friends. He worked on the show. Norm's was the
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famous story I told you about the Roseanne. We did
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a whole Patreon on it. I can come back to that.
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But He lamented the rapid destruction of her career, arguing
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that she had a severe mental health lapse, pointing out
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that she had actively helped other comedians behind the scenes
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for decades. Trump defended her. Charlie Sheen defended her. He
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attempted to use her show's cancellation to advocate for the
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return of his own former hit series, Two and a
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Half Men. Of course, of course he did. So he
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didn't really totally defend, but don't forget the norm. Remember
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the norm thing? Do you want me to remind you?
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Remind me.
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Yeah, I love this story. It's an old Hollywood story,
532
00:26:26.049 --> 00:26:27.769
but apparently it's true. And I'm just going to tell
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it to you because I'll try to do it the
534
00:26:29.390 --> 00:26:31.650
way my friend told me, but it's like, you're really
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in Hollywood once you know the story. So back in
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the day, Roseanne had her show in the eighties and
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she used to go, sometimes she didn't like love her writers.
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So she would go to the comedy store and like
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watch standups that she thought were funny and then ask
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them if they wanted to come into the writer's room
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and say, I really like your voice and the way
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you think. And can you come sit in on a
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couple episodes? So there was a comedian. I don't remember
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his name. Norm tells this story. His first name was
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David and he was a black guy and he didn't
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really know who Roseanne was. Like he didn't watch the show. Right, right, right.
547
00:27:01.819 --> 00:27:04.380
She's like, you want to come in and sit on
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the show? And he's like, okay. So he goes and
549
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sits for months. And he's in the writer's room. And
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00:27:11.210 --> 00:27:13.329
usually that means what there's 10 back in the day,
551
00:27:13.369 --> 00:27:15.430
there would be like 10 people sitting around a table
552
00:27:15.470 --> 00:27:18.089
coming up, throwing out jokes and stuff. And so he'd
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be doing that months and months. And then after like
554
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two months, the showrunner may have been Norman. I don't remember.
555
00:27:23.380 --> 00:27:26.440
The showrunner was like, Hey, David, did you have any
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00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:28.779
ideas for the B plot? You know, like we need
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00:27:28.819 --> 00:27:32.019
some jokes on the B plot about, you know, Jackie.
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00:27:32.299 --> 00:27:36.710
And he goes, who Jackie? Yes, that's the who Jackie joke.
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You can Google who Jackie and Roseanne and this will
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come up. It's like either something Norm made up, which
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is possible because he did that. made up stories all
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the time just for fun. Or I think it's a
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true story, but he, this, this guy, and I love it.
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We all related to this guy. We could totally see
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ourselves be like, okay, I'll take this job. And then
566
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you're not listening at all. And you don't even know
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the character of the name of the person who is
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Roseanne's sister on the show for two months.
569
00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:04.859
Yes.
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Could you help us with the B plot with Jackie?
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Who Jackie?
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That is like the best story.
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I love that. And Norm told it much better, but
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it is, I guess Norm knew her well enough to
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be like, obviously she's having some kind of breakdown, but
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00:28:21.180 --> 00:28:23.539
at what point do you stop saying that about people?
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Like you could say that about Trump. Well, he's just
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probably sick in the head. Yes, clearly, clearly he's sick
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in the head, but it's no defense.
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No, no. I mean, it is what it is, but
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as you said, it is sad to see somebody. And
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you know, we've talked about this before about kind of
583
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mental illness and how For some people, it becomes a
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religious thing, but for other people, it becomes like politics.
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Yes. You know?
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Yes.
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And everything's, and conspiracy theories and QAnon, like that's also
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a type of mental illness and the government.
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Like a paranoia. Yes.
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Yeah.
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I guess if you want to choose, if you had
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to choose between the two, I'd rather have religious revelations.
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That'd be, sounds like more fun because you think you
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figured out life at least, even though, you know, it's
595
00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:13.759
not going all that well, but yeah, that seems better. Yeah,
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I agree. Well, that's what we got.
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Yeah.
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That's a lot.
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00:29:18.829 --> 00:29:22.069
Yeah. We love you guys and we will see you
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real soon.
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Like real soon.
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Yeah. Bye.
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Bye.
