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Speaker 1: Feels like I've said this for the last couple of weeks, to be honest, in terms of a crossroads for the Colts or a crossroad for the Colts. And admittedly, at some point, we're going to have to say, okay, the fork has been taken. But I do feel like still, and I'm not trying to be I don't mean this in this overwhelmingly optimistic, cheerleading.
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Speaker 2: Kind of way. Because I think we all know the reality. But it feels like, psychologically speaking, there is still one more week of, okay, let's give this a go here and see what happens.
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Speaker 1: And then after that, if it doesn't go the Colts' way, then you start to really get into the realities of hard conversations. But, Let me begin with this. Last night, I thought a lot about the game and the Pacers as well, because I listened to the entire Pacers game.
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Speaker 2: More on that in a moment. But clearly, on a.
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Speaker 1: Monday in October, the NFL is the alpha here, right? It is the 800-pound gorilla. And For this market, even though, and this fan base, even though I realize and I understand there is the thought of, I'm just over this team.
00:01:28
Speaker 2: I'm done with it. I get that. I hear all of that.
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Speaker 1: But it is still, I think people are still looking, thinking, okay, now maybe the storyline becomes, how.
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Speaker 2: Do you approach this?
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Speaker 1: And do you already take the fork in the road, or are you still kind of working your way through it? So I was thinking about all of this last night as I was driving home from Three Oaks, Michigan. You just heard me mention this with the morning show, guys. I watched the Colts game yesterday.
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Speaker 3: And.
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Speaker 1: I'm seeing Daniel Jones, and I understand. Shane Steichen saying afterwards that the primary focus here is in Running the football. The game plan was to run the ball, establish the run.
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Speaker 2: I get it.
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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, 13 of 22 for 103 yards, and then the interception in the end that felt very predictable.
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Speaker 2: It did. It felt very predictable.
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Speaker 1: And you can very easily draw the conclusion that Daniel Jones strictly is not healthy. And sure, he's healthy. but not healthy enough, if that makes sense. I know it is remarkable, it is commendable that he came back from the injury he came back from at the rate in which he did. But you do have to wonder, just in terms of his overall confidence and psychology of being in the pocket, whether or not he's not limited by a lack of mobility or placement or strength on his throws, whatever it might be, and therefore they're having to dumb things down. But to say all of that, or to assume all of that, would be also to be naive to the fact that the things plaguing him right now are exactly what plagued him in New York and why the Giants in the middle of the year just went, we're done with this, and why he was available. And maybe, in fact, he had, I've had a recurring dream for like 10 years. where I get this open tryout for the Pacers, or I don't know if it's the Pacers, but like a professional basketball team. And I know I have no business being there, but for whatever reason in the tryouts, like I just keep hitting shots, like mid-range shots. I just keep hitting them. And all of a sudden I'm like, oh my gosh, like they're going to keep, I'm on this team. I know I don't belong here, but like I just, Nobody has done a deep enough dive to realize this is not who I really am. I'm taking advantage of four days of hot practices. And it feels like Daniel Jones, perhaps last year for the Colts, was living that dream where he's like, oh my gosh, nobody's figured out that eventually I'm going to start turning the ball over. But that's where they are. And then you have this situation with Anthony Richardson and Shane Steichen seemingly refusing to hand the keys over there.
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Speaker 2: And I was thinking about all of this.
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Speaker 1: I watched the game, and then I drove to Michigan because I went to go see the Bodines in concert. Now, none of you really care about the fact that I went to go see the Bodines in concert, except for that it gave me two hours and 37 minutes in the car to just sit there and contemplate and go over what I saw with the Colts game. And Eddie was kind enough to send me the audio of all the press conference clippings. if you will, or sound bites. And so I was listening to those and just navigating through, waiting for some nugget that was going to come out where I'm like, oh my gosh, I can't believe they said that. And I was like, this feels kind of par for the course. But the Bodine's have their signature song, which was great.
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Speaker 2: It's awesome.
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Speaker 1: He came out in the crowd. He's walking around with his guitar. People are high-fiving him while he's singing the song, Good Things. I love Good Things by the Bodine's. There's a live version of it from their live album in like 94 when I was in college, and I loved that version of it.
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Speaker 2: And so I have gone to see them each year when they are close.
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Speaker 1: I go see them. I think they're a great live. I love his voice. I love their performance. And they're consistent. They sound the same as they did 30 years ago. And maybe I was just in thirst of something consistent. Maybe that's why I went. Kevin's like, I can't believe you drove it by yourself. I'm like, nobody wanted to go, but I really wanted to see them because maybe I'm thirsting for consistency. I didn't see it out of the Pacers on Friday. I didn't see it out of the Colts on Sunday. So I needed to see it.
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Speaker 2: But as I'm.
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Speaker 1: Driving back, I'm listening in my head again, as you often do after concerts, to the lyrics. And I'm hearing him sing it over and over my head. See, I can see good things for you and I. Don't pass me over. Don't pass me by. See, I can see good things for you and I. And as I'm thinking about Anthony Richardson with the Colts, I'm thinking, I wonder if he's standing on the sidelines to Shane Steichen saying, don't pass me over and don't pass me by. As you're sitting there pacing the sidelines, wondering how you can avoid another Daniel Jones key interception, please, I'm sitting right here, don't pass me over and don't pass me by. Because see, I can see good things for you and I. Now, I think Anthony Richardson knows that He doesn't necessarily see in the future good things for he and Shane Steichen, not because there's some bitter divorce between them, but rather simply because the Colts have again misplayed this. And it is crazy to think that when talking about Anthony Richardson and the possibility of a contract extension that they had the chance to do, that by not picking it up, that they misplayed it. Because all of us, myself included, were jumping up and down saying, it's over. A year ago when they selected Daniel Jones, it was over. There was no reason.
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Speaker 2: To extend Anthony Richardson by the deadline. And they did not.
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Speaker 1: But once again, it's almost because it's not good things that they should have seen for themselves and their quarterback Daniel Jones or Anthony Richardson. but just simply seeing in general. Because for the last year to year and a half, seemingly each decision they have had to make regarding a player or the future or contracts, they have made the wrong one. Some of which were the popular one and admittedly ones that probably at the time I was saying, yeah, they made the right call there. But maybe not even maliciously at the fault of their own naivete, In reality, each decision the Colts have made for the last year and a half has been the one that when you retroactively look back on it, you're like, yeah, that was not the right one. Determining who the best pass rusher was in the draft and taking him and laughing defiantly to people about it with Liatulatu probably was the wrong call.
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Speaker 2: Tyler Warren was probably the right call.
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Speaker 1: Making a trade of two first-round draft picks and a wide receiver. For Sauce Gardner, was the wrong call. And when it comes to Anthony Richardson, even though in the moment it was the right thing to call probably, you are in a position now where what good does it do you? I realize that everybody in town is like, you have to start Anthony Richardson. And believe you me, there is no more popular person in a city than the backup quarterback. sparing like five NFL cities. It's always been that way. It's always been the narrative. The most popular guy is the backup quarterback because that's always the unsolved answer. Except for that with Richardson, it's somewhat solved. We've seen enough of it at this point. Now, he's over 500 as a starter. Granted, or at 500, I think, as a starter. But nonetheless, Kevin, I heard him say it, and I don't disagree with him. if the reason that you don't have Anthony Richardson out there is because you don't trust him to take care of the football, are we looking at the alternative? I mean, honestly, the touchdown. to interception ratio for Daniel Jones is abysmal. He should open up a, literally, he should open up, remember that, was it called Gallery? Galleria, whatever it was, the breakfast pastry place that was right down here downtown, and they had another one just out the broader pool, and I think they closed both of them.
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Speaker 2: It was really good.
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Speaker 1: Anthony, or excuse me, Daniel Jones should just open another one. Daniel Jones turnovers.
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Speaker 2: There you go. There's your breakfast. Craig, there's your breakfast, sandwich, croissant, food, whatever you call turnovers. There you go. Daniel Jones, that's what he's known for now. That's what he is. He cannot take care of the football.
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Speaker 1: So in that regard, you can't say, well, we're not putting Anthony Richardson out there.
00:10:44
Speaker 2: Because we need to take care of the football. You're not taking care of the football.
00:10:51
Speaker 1: Well, we need, we can't put Anthony Richardson out there because we need more consistent layup passes.
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Speaker 2: Daniel Jones is not hitting the layups.
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Speaker 1: We need to make sure Daniel Jones is out there because we've got to read through, you know, all of our reads and checks and he's not going past like his second read. Everything that is the reason Daniel Jones was selected is to be your starting quarterback, has started to just kind of just fairy dust it into the air. Let's call it what it is. Daniel Jones is the starting quarterback. Eddie, last night or yesterday afternoon, Shane Steichen was asked, about whether or not he has contemplated a quarterbacking change.
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Speaker 4: No, I have not thought about a quarterback change because I got a ton of faith in Daniel. The game plan today was to go in and run the football, and obviously at the end he had the interception, and that happens in football.
00:11:56
Speaker 2: That happens. You got beat. That happens.
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Speaker 1: You win some games, you lose some games. 85 Bears, they lost in Miami.
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Speaker 2: That happens.
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Speaker 5: No.
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Speaker 1: What that means right there, what he's actually saying, And I didn't dust off the elixir yet, but what he's actually saying is this. What he's actually saying is, I have not contemplated a change in quarterback because I don't have any belief in Anthony Richardson.
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Speaker 2: That's what he's saying.
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Speaker 1: Shane Steichen has made no bones about the fact through his actions or lack thereof that he has no belief in Anthony Richardson. And I don't know whether it is something as simple and understandable as, The eye, even though Richardson played well for the most part in the preseason, whether or not there is still some doubt about his overall vision in a play-by-play, long-term, over-the-course-of-a-game, see-down-field aspect, I don't know. I think, I don't know if it's the helmet tap and he just keeps going back to it. I don't know if it's the inability to expand the your playbook and audibilize to the depth that you would like because Richardson is not symbiotically on the same wavelength as you and doesn't have just that finish one another's sentences type thing. I think it's entirely possible it's this. And I want to be very clear. What I'm about to say in no way, shape or form Is me indicting Anthony Richardson, condemning Anthony Richardson?
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Speaker 2: None of those things.
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Speaker 1: The things that, like if you're going to clip this audio and play it before you think that I'm coming down on Anthony Richardson for something, please play this disclaimer ahead of time. The things I'm about to mention are not things necessarily that individually you would look at and say are reasons to condemn any person. They're mistakes that young people make. But if Shane Steichen internally has reprimanded or spoken to or addressed to Anthony Richardson, either subtly or directly, about not putting in all of the time as a rookie within film rooms, about not completely understanding everything that goes into the leadership position of being an NFL starting quarterback, about tapping the helmet and saying, I took myself out of the game on a drive because I was tired. Not that that's an egregious thing, but it is one that certainly shows an immaturity of understanding of what the rest of the huddle is expecting out of you as the starter. Or, most recently, The relatively innocuous from a societal standpoint case of getting pulled over with an expired license tag and then finding out that he had the wrong plate on the car and admitting to the fact that he had trace marijuana and THC gummies in the car and then getting cited for that in a misdemeanor charge. All of those individually are relatively small things. But they all add up to something that I just truly believe. At this point, Shane Steichen continues to say that he has faith in Daniel Jones primarily because he knows what little grasp he has left on that locker.
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Speaker 2: Room goes away immediately.
00:15:52
Speaker 1: If he then suddenly makes a change that implies that he verbalizes that he holds players to accountability, but then has to go back to them when his back's against the wall, and thus there's no accountability that's being held. I think it comes down to that more than anything else. Do I think that Anthony Richardson gives them a better chance to win football games right now?
00:16:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably.
00:16:16
Speaker 1: And certainly, it's not any worse. But when you have, not through direct wording, but through lack of action otherwise, when you have insinuated that you don't trust that player because of a multitude, and again, Anthony Richardson, and I'm going to use a driving infraction analogy here, maybe bad considering the ticket he just got, but Anthony Richardson at this point is not being prohibited from driving the car because he had some sort of a disastrous 105 mile an hour speeding ticket. But he's got like three different ones going eight miles over the speed limit. And eventually Shane Steichen's like, enough, you have too many points on your record. I think that's what it comes down to more.
00:17:04
Speaker 2: Than anything else.
00:17:06
Speaker 1: But in addition to that, and Eddie, you and I talked about this before the show began. There also is the question of, sure, you can hand the keys over to Anthony Richardson now and see what's there, but because they didn't necessarily or they pushed the wrong button earlier, even though it was the right button in the time, what good is there now? What good things are there to see between AR and the Colts at this point when he's a free agent at the end of the year and almost assuredly is going to opt out of here?
00:17:38
Speaker 6: What is there to gain is the question.
00:17:39
Speaker 7: Right.
00:17:40
Speaker 6: What is there to gain? I don't think he gives you that much, if any, better chance to win a football game. The only thing that's different between the two is that Richardson's more mobile. That's literally the only thing. It's not going to change the fact that the wide receivers are not getting open. It's not going to change the fact that the defense did show up yesterday for the first time this season, but in the other six weeks, the defense has not shown up. The defense can't sack the other team's quarterback. The defense cannot generate turnovers. Your offense can't generate explosives. Adebare, I will say, nice find, starting to play a little bit. Contract here for him, proving his worth. Richardson's not the future. Richardson is not going to resign with the Indianapolis Colts, no matter what the case is. No team is going to be trading for Anthony Richardson. Anthony Richardson has displayed issues with blitz pickup already that ultimately lost him the starting job last year. And that's why Riley Leonard was the backup prior to Anthony Richardson having the eye injury. All that to say that, Is it really worth the conversation? And you wonder why Shane Steichen isn't entertaining it when you lay all of that out, factoring in everything else that you mentioned, off the field.
00:19:04
Speaker 1: Eddie, they've played roughly, what, 45% of their schedule? I don't know what 7 of 17 is. I'm guesstimating it's somewhere around there.
00:19:14
Speaker 2: But the.
00:19:18
Speaker 1: They aren't here yet. This is the real, when I say they're at a fork in the road, they are. And the Jacksonville game is a huge part of this fork in the road. Because even though mathematically it's going to be a while before they would be eliminated from the postseason, at two and five, they do still have Jacksonville twice.
00:19:43
Speaker 2: And so if you were to.
00:19:45
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is going to happen, If you were to beat Jackson twice, suddenly you put yourself back within breadth of the division. Now, I think at this point you could say a wild card. Oddly enough, their ticket is to win the division probably and not a wild card. And so if you lose one more, then you are basically at that point, you can say, okay, both doors are, are There's barely any light coming through here, and both doors are essentially closed. But until that point, you probably have to still do what is best for your now as opposed to for your future. I'm talking about strictly mathematically. You owe it to your roster and whatever else to find out your now. But we all know what that reality is. We know how that movie is going to play out. And we and the fans and all of the people that peripherally watch the NFL, whatever, we can all sit here and say their best course of action is to start building for the future and start it now. But inside the building, there is still going to be some line of thought of, okay, but we have to play for what is still with impossible grasp. And that sounds absurd, but you can bet that there is that line of thinking. That's that fork in the road. We, the fans and media, have already, I think, taken that fork. But I think that's where they are. Now, It's not just Richardson. There are other players as well. Yesterday, and I cannot be the only one that thought this. Eddie, I want you to tell me. By the way, how was Friday for the Big Head Federation?
00:21:37
Speaker 6: Oh, it was fantastic.
00:21:38
Speaker 2: Was it Chicago? Is that where they were?
00:21:39
Speaker 6: Yes, we were in Chicago. It's like a think tank deal, right? What'd you say?
00:21:43
Speaker 2: Just a think tank deal, the Big Head Federation?
00:21:45
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah.
00:21:46
Speaker 6: Think tank, yeah.
00:21:47
Speaker 2: Like meetings and talking about upcoming events and things like that?
00:21:51
Speaker 6: Comparing head sizes, oh yeah, the whole nine.
00:21:53
Speaker 1: Did they have the awards again this year? I remember last year, I think you told me, it was Ali from Omaha that won, right? He's got a nine and seven eights.
00:22:02
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right.
00:22:03
Speaker 2: Was he there?
00:22:05
Speaker 6: No, Jake, no awards. Those are every five years.
00:22:07
Speaker 2: Gotcha, okay. Oh, that's good. So you still have a chance.
00:22:11
Speaker 6: That's right.
00:22:12
Speaker 2: Four years from now.
00:22:12
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, right?
00:22:13
Speaker 1: I just hope I keep getting the invitation. Call Barry Bonds. You might have yourself a chance. Okay, so, but here's the thing. And now I can't remember where I was going with that. Oh, you were saying, and I'm in agreement with you on this, about Richardson, and you just wonder what can be had. But we also were having the discussion. Am I out of my mind? I'm not saying that it's a legitimate thought, but was I the only one that had this thought?
00:22:43
Speaker 2: The more they were.
00:22:44
Speaker 1: Running Seth McGowan yesterday, and I do like the way he runs, but the more they were going with him, Am I the only one that thought to myself, are they starting to put bubble wrap on Jonathan Taylor so they can get something out of him?
00:22:58
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a good thought.
00:22:59
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, there were key situations yesterday where he was not on the field. And so I did wonder, when you have a fourth and two, And I get it. You have a guy that has been absolute money as a kicker that had never missed an indoor kick.
00:23:23
Speaker 2: I get it. But when you have a fourth and.
00:23:25
Speaker 1: Two and you literally have, what, $ 60 million tied up between your left guard and your running back, and you go for the field goal there, it makes you wonder if, in fact, that's where they're going there psychologically. And I don't know at this point, there's not a player on the roster. maybe Tyler Warren because of his youth. There's not a player on the roster that seems off-limits. And there are those, certainly, I think that would still fetch something that you owe it to them as a legit franchise to do them the favor of moving them on, like DeForest Buckner. DeForest Buckner, we've talked about it before, I think merits and deserves the opportunity to be able to play for a contender. But there are a million different ways it can go, and there are literally, you know, it's not a spaghetti bowl just yet, per se, in terms of the forks in the road. And I think we all know which way it's eventually going to go. But I just think that there is a different approach between What we all know is going to happen and what at this point they have to operate under the assumption may not be the case just yet. And that's the dichotomy of where they are. A ton to get to today. Mike Chappell going to join us on the program. Don Fisher, Indiana survives one in Michigan. Really good game, actually. And I thought Indiana was really put to the test to show a little bit of metal. And as the game was going on, I did begin to wonder if that wasn't one. I really did think after they lost to Ohio State, I'm like, they're fine because they're going to get in the college football playoff. I don't know if they would have, if they would have dropped that game on Saturday, but they found a way to win. That's what great teams do. And at the very least, they're a very good team. And there's a lot of attrition around them as well, so they're in a good situation and spot there.
00:25:35
Speaker 2: Pacers game on Friday was a total disaster. Last night was better.
00:25:41
Speaker 1: We will discuss that as well, but Don's going to join us at 1230. When we come back, I want your thoughts. I want to do a quick poll. I know that the guys did it this morning, but are you still holding out hope? Are you still looking at it and clinging to the possibility with those two against Jacksonville? Do you need to see, do you need one more game before you determine which way this goes and whether you blow it up or whether you just go ahead and start now? Because I know what the sentiment is, but what is the strategic right approach? 239-1070, both text and phone lines when we come back. It's Quering Company here, 93.51075, The Fan. Several good texts along the text line here. Hey, Jake, you should blow this thing up. Jonathan Taylor deserves to play on a contending team. Now, somebody else pointed out to me, they said, I thought the same thing as you in the second half, meaning.
00:26:46
Speaker 1: Was there some thought to the fact when Jonathan Taylor was not in there on some plays of like, are they trying to, like I said, bubble wrap him, preserve him to make sure that he has trade value?
00:26:57
Speaker 6: I also think, Jake, if you just look at the yards per carry attempts, like Taylor had the one big run for 38. But, you know, I always like to look at, you know, if you eliminate the longest run, what does that really say about how your day was going? Taylor was averaging 3.3 yards per carry. And the other 17.
00:27:13
Speaker 2: And look at Taylor a year ago.
00:27:15
Speaker 1: And McGowan was 4.2 per carry. Jonathan Taylor is a special player. There's no doubt about it. But Jonathan Taylor last year was a completely different back when Daniel Jones was playing at a high level. Once Daniel Jones went out, Jonathan Taylor's numbers dipped significantly. That's not a knock on him, but he's very reliant on that balance. Now, I've seen a lot of people, with the Sauce Gardner deal, I've seen a ton of people saying, Jonathan Taylor or Buckner, they need to trade one of these guys to get a first-round pick back. Look, first-round picks don't come that easily, especially when you don't have Chris Ballard on the other end of the phone. And look at Marshall Falk. And there's news with Marshall Falk, obviously, I meant to get to on Friday. But Marshall Falk was in his prime and was a future Hall of Fame, future Super Bowl MVP back in his prime when the Colts traded him and they got a second and a fifth. Now, that was a different era, admittedly. And I do think that there's this rebirth of interest in running backs and what they can do for you.
00:28:40
Speaker 2: Look at Seattle last year, helping out Sam Darnold. This was four years ago, Jake. Christian McCaffrey was a whole year younger than Jonathan Taylor. McCaffrey was 27. At the time, he got dealt from Carolina to San Francisco, Taylor, 28 right now.
00:28:56
Speaker 6: The Panthers received a second-round pick, a third-round pick, and a fourth-round pick in 23, so the upcoming draft class, and then a fifth-round pick in 2024.
00:29:04
Speaker 1: And they parlayed those into getting back into the first round.
00:29:08
Speaker 6: Trading up to get Bryce Young, yes.
00:29:11
Speaker 1: But either way, yes. I mean, if Christian McCaffrey... So the thought of Jonathan Taylor's a number one pick out there just waiting to be had by somebody isn't necessarily true.
00:29:21
Speaker 6: And Taylor doesn't have quite the same level of skill set that McCaffrey does in the passing game. So is his running ability that much to net just a singular? First-round picker, would you rather, if you're Ed Dodds, try to give the next GM more picks to work?
00:29:40
Speaker 8: With?
00:29:40
Speaker 6: Like, do you do something similar to that? A second, third and a fourth, a second and a fourth. I don't know.
00:29:48
Speaker 2: Hey Jake, I'm somewhere in the Caribbean.
00:29:49
Speaker 1: I'm glad I'm on a cruise and waking up to a beautiful ocean waves instead of the crap I saw yesterday.
00:29:54
Speaker 2: Fire. Everyone go Pacers. All right, Colleen. How about Colleen with that? Colleen coming strong.
00:30:00
Speaker 8: I know.
00:30:01
Speaker 1: 239-1070, the telephone number. Jeff joins us on the program. Jeff, how are you?
00:30:08
Speaker 2: Do we have Jeff, Eddie?
00:30:10
Speaker 9: This is Jim.
00:30:11
Speaker 2: Jim. Sorry about that, Jim. What's up?
00:30:15
Speaker 9: Oh, that's all right. Hey, I was just agreeing with what you were saying about Jones. He's a 60% pass completion. Out of that 60%, 20% to 30% are either over the receiver's head or behind the receiver, which slows him down, makes the receiver look bad. And then also, when Jones is slow, then the defense quits focusing on him, and they focus on the running back.
00:30:43
Speaker 7: And our.
00:30:44
Speaker 9: Our offense is pretty vanilla. If I was a coach, I would put– to me, Richardson is not a quarterback. He's built like Henry, runs like Henry, but he's got an arm. He's running back to control.
00:31:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that– or Jim, excuse me.
00:31:04
Speaker 1: I think that the interesting thing, Jim, is Richardson– The one strength that Richardson has in terms of, and I agree with you, if you put Richardson out there, then you got to use his legs. Problem there, seemingly, made a glass in the past. But his arm strength is such that it's intriguing, but you don't have anybody that can get deep enough to take advantage of, I mean, what.
00:31:30
Speaker 2: You have right now for the Colts, what the Colts have right now.
00:31:36
Speaker 1: Is a quarterback, who can become kind of a system rhythm quarterback, but yet he doesn't necessarily have the legs either to plant or to roll out to allow a play to develop and get in those rhythm passes in the intermediary. Or you go with a guy that can run and extend plays, except that his body hasn't held up well with that and can throw it 50 yards up his back foot, and no one to get back there.
00:32:12
Speaker 2: They have no deep ball receivers.
00:32:15
Speaker 1: Alec Pierce was their only one, and Alec Pierce is one that we hardly even mention him anymore because it's literally like out of sight, out of mind. I mean, that should become the bigger question. When are we ever seeing Alec Pierce again? It almost feels.
00:32:35
Speaker 1: At this point, repetitive or redundant or piling on to bring up question marks that are somewhat the responsibility of Chris Ballard because Chris Ballard is not here anymore. So it feels like low-hanging fruit. But the Alec Pierce, and I understand why you had to sign him. I totally get it. But the money they gave him and guaranteed to him, knowing that he had to have that surgery, And I think we can safely say at this point that the surgery clearly didn't take. You know, it just, for whatever reason, we're right back to square one, and who knows where things are with that. And that's, I'm not trying to be, you know, panicky Pete here, but we have not heard a word on that. And I don't know that he's been seen outside the boot. If he has, then I don't know about yesterday. I don't think he was there yesterday. Were there shots of him on the sidelines? Alec Pierce? I mean, we completely forget about Alec Pierce, right?
00:33:37
Speaker 6: I don't know. I mean, he was not on the sideline at Lucas Oil last week. He was in the press box.
00:33:42
Speaker 1: This from Dan. Clean the house, all capital letters. Only people I'd like to keep are Jonathan Taylor and Warren. Did you see Buckner postgame? That's a guy that wants out right there.
00:33:52
Speaker 2: No question.
00:33:53
Speaker 1: And I'll give DeForest Buckner all the credit in the world. He has not been, you know, he's been a, like I said, a good teammate in that regard.
00:34:02
Speaker 6: Let me ask you this, Jake. What's different about this Colts group around Daniel Jones right now to what he was dealing with and playing around with Minnesota?
00:34:13
Speaker 2: Or not Minnesota, New York. Well, he was in Minnesota too, but.
00:34:19
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, I'd have to go back and look and see what they had in New York.
00:34:22
Speaker 6: Because like, if you remember, if you remember when he signed with the Colts, you're like, Oh look, you know, we've got Colts have Josh Downs, they might quit the junior. They have Jonathan Taylor. They have a solid old line. And during the days of him being with the giants, it was Saquon Barkley. And then, uh, nothing. And right now it is literally this New York giants, Daniel Jones, all over again, Jonathan Taylor, Saquon Barkley, uh, Wanda Robinson is Josh Downs. Your offensive line is slightly better, but you've got nothing to work with. That's not the type of quarterback he is.
00:34:57
Speaker 2: This from John.
00:34:58
Speaker 1: If Daniel Jones was the captain of the Titanic as the ship was sinking, the cruise director is saying, Shane Steichen saying, I still have full confidence in him. Yeah, Daniel Jones doesn't necessarily have the speed to get around the iceberg right now.
00:35:14
Speaker 2: There's no question about that. You know, yesterday when I asked the question.
00:35:22
Speaker 1: Of what would you say to summarize the cold season, it didn't have the anger and the vinegar in the replies that it did a week ago because now we've just come to accept it, right? We've come to accept the mediocrity to a great extent. Hey, Jake, what does Daniel Jones Achilles injury have to do with his decision-making and arm?
00:35:44
Speaker 2: That from Steven. That's a good question, Steven. I really do believe.
00:35:50
Speaker 1: I understand your question, and it's a fair question. I do think that the Achilles does his decision-making, maybe not because there has been precedent, clearly, in the past in New York where those things were of question. I do think that his arm, it's compromised.
00:36:09
Speaker 2: I do.
00:36:10
Speaker 1: Because if you think about When you go out into your backyard and throw the baseball around or throw football, whatever it might be, what do you do? You drop back and then you have to plant. And when you plant or when you move, both legs work alongside one another to stabilize yourself and get your strength going as you vault back to throw the ball. And I know it sounds ridiculous. But when you come off of a major injury like that, even though it's healed, and even though the doctor tells you it's healed, there is another probably three to four month period of time where your body is then conditioned to maintain its normal fluid movement without any subtle or subconscious or subliminal governor on it or limitations. And I know that that sounds ridiculous, but I really do think, I think the mechanics of throwing a football in stride on the move, I think all of those things come into play when you have even the slightest hiccup, kind of like when you have a rental car that has that lane control thing on it. Even when you're driving and you're in a straight line, but all of a sudden it recognizes something and it starts to move, it just For a split second, it blips you, and.
00:37:45
Speaker 2: You're like, whoa.
00:37:48
Speaker 8: Yes.
00:37:48
Speaker 1: And I think the body does that a little bit to him, and it throws off kilter his accuracy and his timing. His judgment and his decision-making, no question.
00:37:59
Speaker 2: Fair point, Steven. Fair point.
00:38:01
Speaker 1: Pacers last night, back on the right side of things. And there's one area to me that is of concern with that. Odd to say about a win, but I'll tell you what it is next. Several good texts along the text line here. Hey, Jake, you should blow this thing up. Jonathan Taylor deserves to play on a contending team. Now, somebody else pointed out to me, they said, I thought the same thing as you in the second half, meaning was there some thought to the fact when Jonathan Taylor was not in there on some plays of like, are they trying to Like I said, bubble wrap him. Preserve him to make sure that he has trade value.
00:38:47
Speaker 6: I also think, Jake, if you just look at the yards per carry attempts, like Taylor had the one big run for 38, but I always like to look at if you eliminate the longest run, what does that really say about how your day was going? Taylor was averaging 3.3 yards per carry in the other 17.
00:39:03
Speaker 2: And look at Taylor a year ago.
00:39:05
Speaker 6: And McGowan was 4.2 per carry.
00:39:08
Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor is a special player. There's no doubt about it.
00:39:14
Speaker 1: But Jonathan Taylor last year was a completely different back when Daniel Jones was playing at a high level. Once Daniel Jones went out, Jonathan Taylor's numbers dipped significantly. That's not a knock on him, but he's very reliant on that balance. Now, I've seen a lot of people, with the Sauce Gardner deal, I've seen a ton of people saying, Jonathan Taylor or Buckner, you know, they need to trade one of these guys to get a first round pick back. Look, first round picks don't come that easily, especially when you don't have Chris Ballard on the other end of the phone.
00:39:57
Speaker 2: And look at Marshall Falk.
00:40:02
Speaker 1: And there's news with Marshall Falk, obviously, I meant to get to on Friday, but Marshall Falk was in his prime. and was a future Hall of Fame, future Super Bowl MVP back in his prime when the Colts traded him, and they got a second and a fifth. Now, that was a different era, admittedly, and I do think that there's this rebirth of interest in running backs and what they can do for you. Look at Seattle last year helping out Sam Darnold.
00:40:34
Speaker 6: This was four years ago, Jake. Christian McCaffrey was a whole year younger than Jonathan Taylor. McCaffrey was 27 years. At the time, he got dealt from Carolina to San Francisco, Taylor, 28 right now. The Panthers received a second-round pick, a third-round pick, and a fourth-round pick in 23, so that upcoming draft class, and then a fifth-round pick in 2024.
00:40:55
Speaker 2: And they parlayed those into getting back into the first round.
00:40:59
Speaker 6: Trading up to get Bryce Young, yes.
00:41:02
Speaker 2: But either way, yes.
00:41:03
Speaker 1: I mean, if Christian McCaffrey, so the thought of like, Jonathan Taylor's a number one pick out there just waiting to be had by somebody isn't necessarily true.
00:41:12
Speaker 6: And Taylor doesn't have quite the same level of, you know, skill set that McCaffrey does in the passing game. So like, is his running ability that much to net a, you know, just a singular first round pick? Or would you rather, if you're Ed Dodds, try to give the next GM more picks to work with? Like, Do you do something similar to that? A second, third, and a fourth?
00:41:35
Speaker 2: A second and a fourth?
00:41:36
Speaker 6: I don't know.
00:41:38
Speaker 2: Hey, Jake, I'm somewhere in the Caribbean.
00:41:40
Speaker 1: I'm glad I'm on a cruise and waking up to beautiful ocean waves instead of the crap I saw yesterday.
00:41:45
Speaker 2: Fire everyone. Go Pacers. All right, Colleen.
00:41:48
Speaker 1: How about Colleen with that? Colleen coming strong. I know.
00:41:52
Speaker 2: 239-1070, the telephone number. Jeff joins us on the program. Jeff, how are you? Do we have Jeff, Eddie?
00:42:01
Speaker 9: This is Jim.
00:42:02
Speaker 7: Jim.
00:42:03
Speaker 2: Sorry about that, Jim. What's up?
00:42:05
Speaker 9: Oh, that's all right. Hey, I was just agreeing with what you were saying about Jones. He's a 60% pass completion. Out of that 60%, 20% to 30% are either over the receiver's head or behind the receiver, which slows him down, makes the receiver look bad. And then also, when Jones is slow... then the defense quits focusing on him and they focus on the running back. And our offense is pretty vanilla. If I was a coach, I would put... To me, Richardson is not a quarterback. He's built like Henry, runs like Henry, but he's got an arm. He's a running back that can throw. Yeah, I think that... Or Jim, excuse me.
00:42:55
Speaker 2: I think that the interesting thing, Jim, is.
00:42:58
Speaker 1: Richardson, the one strength that Richardson has in terms of, and I agree with you, if you put Richardson out there, then you got to use his legs. Problem there, seemingly, made a glass in the past. But his arm strength is such that it's intriguing, but you don't have anybody that can get deep enough to take advantage of, I mean, what you have.
00:43:21
Speaker 2: Right now for the Colts, what the Colts have right now.
00:43:27
Speaker 1: Is, a quarterback who can become kind of a system rhythm quarterback, but yet he doesn't necessarily have the legs either to plant or to roll out to allow a play to develop and get in those rhythm passes in the intermediary. Or you go with a guy that can run and extend plays, except for that his body hasn't held up well with that and can throw it 50 yards up his back foot, and no one to get back there.
00:44:02
Speaker 2: They have no deep ball receivers.
00:44:05
Speaker 1: Alec Pierce was their only one, and Alec Pierce is one that we hardly even mention him anymore because it's literally like out of sight, out of mind. I mean, that should become the bigger question. When are we ever seeing Alec Pierce again? It almost feels.
00:44:25
Speaker 1: At this point, repetitive or redundant or piling on to bring up question marks that are somewhat the responsibility of Chris Ballard because Chris Ballard is not here anymore. So it feels like low-hanging fruit. But the Alec Pierce, and I understand why you had to sign him. I totally get it. But the money they gave him and guaranteed to him, knowing that he had to have that surgery, And I think we can safely say at this point that the surgery clearly didn't take. You know, it just, for whatever reason, we're right back to square one, and who knows where things are with that. And that's, I'm not trying to be, you know, panicky Pete here, but we have not heard a word on that. And I don't know that he's been seen outside the boot. If he has, then I don't know about yesterday. I don't think he was there yesterday. Were there shots of him on the sidelines?
00:45:24
Speaker 2: Alec Pierce? I mean, we completely forget about Alec Pierce, right?
00:45:27
Speaker 10: I don't know.
00:45:28
Speaker 6: I mean, he was not on the sideline at Lucas Oil last week. He was in the press box.
00:45:32
Speaker 1: This from Dan. Clean the house, all capital letters. Only people I'd like to keep are Jonathan Taylor and Warren. Did you see Buckner postgame? That's a guy that wants out right there.
00:45:42
Speaker 2: No question.
00:45:44
Speaker 1: And I'll give DeForest Buckner all the credit in the world. He has not been, you know, he's been a, like I said, a good teammate in that regard.
00:45:53
Speaker 6: Let me ask you this, Jake. What's different about this Colts group around Daniel Jones right now to what he was dealing with and playing around with Minnesota? Or not Minnesota, New York.
00:46:06
Speaker 2: Well, he was in Minnesota too, but....
00:46:09
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, I'd have to go back and look and see what they had in New York.
00:46:12
Speaker 6: Because like, if you remember, if you remember when he signed with the Colts, you're like, Oh, look, you know, we've got Colts have Josh down there. Mike Whitman, Jr. They have Jonathan Taylor. They have a solid old line. And during the days of him being with the giants, it was Saquon Barkley. And then, uh, nothing. And right now it is literally this New York giants, Daniel Jones, all over again, Jonathan Taylor, Saquon Barkley, uh, Wanda Robinson is Josh Downs. Your offensive line is slightly better, but you've got nothing to work with. That's not the type of quarterback he is.
00:46:48
Speaker 2: This from John.
00:46:49
Speaker 1: If Daniel Jones was the captain of the Titanic as the ship was sinking, the cruise director is saying, Shane Steichen saying, I still have full confidence in him. Yeah, Daniel Jones doesn't necessarily have the speed to get around the iceberg right now.
00:47:05
Speaker 2: There's no question about that.
00:47:09
Speaker 1: You know, yesterday when I asked the question of what would you say to summarize the cold season, it didn't have the anger and the vinegar in the replies that it did a week ago because now we've just come to accept it, right? We've come to accept the mediocrity to a great extent. Hey, Jake, what does Daniel Jones' Achilles injury have to do with his decision-making and arm?
00:47:35
Speaker 2: That from Steven. It's a good question, Steven. I really do believe.
00:47:38
Speaker 1: I understand your question, and it's a fair question. I do think that the Achilles does his decision-making, maybe not because there has been precedent, clearly, in the past in New York where those things were of question. I do think that his arm, it's compromised.
00:47:59
Speaker 2: I do.
00:48:00
Speaker 1: Because if you think about When you go out into your backyard and throw the baseball around or throw football, whatever it might be, what do you do? You drop back and then you have to plant. And when you plant or when you move, both legs work alongside one another to stabilize yourself and get your strength going as you vault back to throw the ball. And I know it sounds ridiculous. But when you come off of a major injury like that, even though it's healed, and even though the doctor tells you it's healed, there is another probably three to four month period of time where your body is then conditioned to maintain its normal fluid movement without any subtle or subconscious or subliminal governor on it or limitations. And I know that that sounds ridiculous, but I really do think, I think the mechanics of throwing a football in stride on the move, I think all of those things come into play when you have even the slightest hiccup, kind of like when you have a rental car that has that lane control thing on it. Even when you're driving and you're in a straight line, but all of a sudden it recognizes something and it starts to move. For a split second, it blips you and you're like, whoa. Yes, and I think the body does that a little bit to him, and it throws off kilter his accuracy and his timing. His judgment and his decision-making, no question.
00:49:50
Speaker 2: Fair point, Steven, fair point.
00:49:52
Speaker 1: Pacers last night, back on the right side of things, and there's one area to me that is of concern with that.
00:50:01
Speaker 2: Odd to say about a win, but I'll tell you what it is next. You know, I won't lie to you.
00:50:06
Speaker 1: Every time I hear this song, I think not of the Great Prince, who is obviously one of the most prolific musical entertainers of our lifetime, but I think of the fantastic cover version by my buddies Michael and Jimmy and the rest of the elect.
00:50:25
Speaker 2: They do a fabulous version of Purple Rain. The best.
00:50:29
Speaker 1: I want to get into IU and Michigan in a moment, but some of the thoughts yesterday... on the Colts. First up on the text line, Jake, Daniel Jones is afraid to get hit. He takes a shotgun snap, retreats further, and throws off his back foot 10 times a game. His O-line and blocking scheme combined with the play calling are not doing him any favors.
00:50:51
Speaker 2: I would agree.
00:50:52
Speaker 1: I've noticed that. I went back actually and looked at Peyton Manning film. To be honest, film is the wrong word, but I just pulled up some highlights of Manning because I'm like, man, I don't recall someone out of shotgun going that much further back. And so I had it in my mind that that was a total anomaly because I agree with that point. But Manning did the same thing. Other quarterbacks do do the same thing, but it does feel like it's like, why are you going that much further back? The other thing I've never understood in football, Eddie, I've never, ever, ever in my life understood this.
00:51:33
Speaker 2: When you have, like, fourth and goal from the one, why do you go out of shotgun?
00:51:36
Speaker 6: That's a great question.
00:51:38
Speaker 2: I've never understood that.
00:51:39
Speaker 6: That's a great question.
00:51:40
Speaker 2: Why put yourself that much further back, right?
00:51:43
Speaker 6: Well, I guess you could also make the case, how often do you see somebody get stepped on, especially in those, like, fourth and ones?
00:51:50
Speaker 2: And then trip.
00:51:50
Speaker 6: When it's, like, midfield or, you know, near the goal line like that.
00:51:56
Speaker 2: I like this one. Jake, the Colts have nothing. How about this versus Sink? You ready?
00:52:01
Speaker 9: I'm ready.
00:52:03
Speaker 1: The Colts have no linebackers, and the Colts are going to need to be bad in order for changes to happen. That's what we said at the beginning of the year. Look where sticking with Ballard has brought us. No first-round draft pick, no pass rush, no defense, no receivers. Who on this team, not named Jonathan Taylor, do you game plan for?
00:52:22
Speaker 2: In the bye week, look for an interim head coach.
00:52:24
Speaker 1: Changing quarterbacks now may not change the results, but it tells the players, owners, and fans we won't put up with bad play at any position. I learned at age seven that if a team blitzes, you throw screen passes or very quick passes. That reminds me of when William Hung was on American Idol and Simon Cowell said, look, you can't sing, you can't dance. What do you want me to say to you? That's kind of where we are right now, right? Look, you can't throw the ball. You can't protect the quarterback. You can't make the right reads. You can't make the right decisions. And you can't tackle anybody.
00:52:59
Speaker 6: I text this to Molly for an hour. I think it was last week, maybe. I've just I miss the days of watching like quarterbacks when I was in my early teenage years at the line of scrimmage, dissecting everything, changing things and, you know, getting to the hot route when they know the blitz is coming versus now it's, you know, everyone is sticking with two plays. It's either what's called or we're canning to a run. Yeah, there's not much of, you know, alterations going on at the line of scrimmage. It feels like I would agree with that.
00:53:30
Speaker 1: Hey, Jake, we are cooked for the next three to four years before we're even competitive for a playoff spot.
00:53:37
Speaker 2: I did have someone say to me.
00:53:39
Speaker 1: That they have been a season ticket holder for 16 years, and they not only are not renewing for next year, but they have decided that they are not going back to any games this year.
00:53:54
Speaker 2: End quote. I'm not even mad about it. That's what they said.
00:54:00
Speaker 1: That's the, and I get it. I know that we go back to this circular argument or discussion. I totally understand the frustration of why am I paying this money, especially when you consider the price increases, but at the same time, what have we seen? it can turn around quickly. And if it does, then you get the FOMO, right? The fear of missing out. Like, man, I have my season tickets forever. If you're like me, it's just the ritual of it. I go and I sit and I park in the same spot and I sit in the same spot, you know, and I do it every Sunday when there's home games and even if they lose. But you want to keep going back just in the event that they get things turned around. And that's, and maybe they're banking a little bit on that, right? Maybe they're banking a little bit on that. I want to get to Indiana-Michigan because there was something about that game that I thought was a good thing for Indiana aside from just the win. But before we do so, Jonah joins us. Jonah, what's up?
00:55:04
Speaker 5: Hey, Jake.
00:55:05
Speaker 8: It's been a while.
00:55:06
Speaker 2: I was going to say, man, you doing all right?
00:55:08
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I'm doing well.
00:55:09
Speaker 2: All right, good.
00:55:10
Speaker 8: It's been very busy.
00:55:13
Speaker 1: Well, I would say you and me both, but let's be honest, I'm not that busy, Jonah. Anyway, what's on your mind regarding the Colts?
00:55:20
Speaker 11: Well, you're a radio broadcaster.
00:55:21
Speaker 8: What else is there to do besides talk?
00:55:24
Speaker 2: That's true.
00:55:25
Speaker 8: True.
00:55:27
Speaker 11: I had to get a joke in there every now and then. I was watching the game yesterday in a halftime when we had a 10-6 lead. You know, I thought to myself, the Colts are the author of a thousand ways to lose a game. And I just keep thinking to myself, how are they going to do it this time?
00:55:48
Speaker 9: This team just has.
00:55:49
Speaker 8: No desire to step on the gas pedal, it seems like. And I.
00:55:54
Speaker 11: Think this team is not devoid of talent, per se, but I think it just lacks chemistry. And when I'm watching the game, and when the Vikings blitz and stuff, I don't understand why Shane doesn't shake up the.
00:56:07
Speaker 8: Offensive plays to avoid.
00:56:09
Speaker 11: Because every time the Colts blitz, it seems like there's always that one guy in the flat that's wide open. And I don't ever see any adjustments in the game to make this team better. And I just, at this point, I just, I hope all the coaches are gone at this point.
00:56:25
Speaker 2: Jonah, I appreciate it.
00:56:27
Speaker 1: And that's, I think it does feel like, and I don't know that this would even surprise or shock anybody, but it certainly feels at this point like we are dangerously close now to where, in fact, they say, okay, that's it. everything is starting over. Now, again, to go back to what I mentioned earlier, the one thing that you have to consider, I'm not saying fans would consider this, and I'm not saying media would consider this, but if you are in that locker room, if your job is to coach, play for, scout, whatever, for the Indianapolis Colts in the front office, in the ownership, whatever it may be, you have to balance the immediacy of where are we versus the outlook of where are we going.
00:57:25
Speaker 2: And I think we all know they're not going anywhere. They're in neutral. I think we all know that.
00:57:35
Speaker 1: But you still find yourself, and this is the big one, you have two games remaining against Jacksonville. The wild card is out the window. Unless they go on a heater here, and win 9 of 10, they ain't getting a wild card. And even that would be questionable, 11 and 6 probably. But the division is the route for them if they want to get to the postseason. But to get that, and it's not, the division is not as far off as you think. But they would have to beat Jacksonville twice. They lose in Jacksonville on Sunday, and at that point, you can then kind of officially say they're out, they're done. But I think you have to approach this Sunday still with the game plan and the idea that there is something to play for. Even though I know it, Eddie knows it, I'm not trying to put words in anybody else's mouth. Most of you out there know it. Most of you know it's over. But I think they have one more game of going through the motion as if it's not.
00:58:52
Speaker 2: One more game.
00:58:53
Speaker 1: And then after that, then I think you probably do get into the area of Katie Barthodor. Now, in terms of the bye week and waiting until the bye week to make seismic changes, that may be the case. But their bye is so late this year. I mean, it's the first week in December. By then, you're basically playing it out.
00:59:10
Speaker 2: Anyway, right? You got, what, three games left? Something like that? Three, four games left?
00:59:14
Speaker 1: So, and I don't know. An interesting tidbit would be, I think the overall thought process from a lot of people, league-wide, is that Shane Steichen is a coach that is only as good as what has been handed to him, and that he is somebody that could still find himself in similar position elsewhere, like he'll get another chance. But this seems to be a pretty... Now that Ballard's gone and there's more focus or spotlight on Steichen, and if Jones is limited a little bit, if Steichen truly is a quarterback whisperer or is a guy that can work with anything and pull magic, you know, a rabbit out of the hat, the time is now for him to show that. If he wants to hold his job here or audition for elsewhere, the time is now for him to come up with those things where you go, okay, there's something there. Now, college football over the weekend, obviously no Purdue, no Notre Dame. There really wasn't like an oomph, wow, that's an amazing game aspect to it. A little curious this week, and Don Fisher's going to join us coming up a little over an hour from now. Were you surprised, Eddie, that Indiana-Minnesota is the one to get college game day? Is this going to be, I think it's a 25-point spread, right?
01:00:44
Speaker 6: Based off of Minnesota and how they've played this year, I don't get why it's 19-and-a-half.
01:00:51
Speaker 2: Is it 19-and-a-half? Okay, that has to be, though.
01:00:54
Speaker 1: Okay, 19 and a half. That has to be the biggest point spread for a college game day game.
01:01:05
Speaker 2: One of them, right?
01:01:07
Speaker 6: Yeah, probably.
01:01:09
Speaker 1: It seems peculiar, and I'm all here for it, don't get me wrong. I'm not complaining about the fact that game day is going to Bloomington. But you look at this, you think to yourself, are there no other games that are available? It just doesn't strike you as an overly emphatic, like, wow, big-time aspect game.
01:01:28
Speaker 6: There are only two games this weekend in college football that feature two teams that are ranked head-to-head.
01:01:36
Speaker 2: What are the other ones? Is Minnesota ranked?
01:01:40
Speaker 6: Minnesota is not ranked.
01:01:42
Speaker 2: Okay, because they were at one point, right? Were they like 21 or 22 after they beat Michigan? Maybe.
01:01:49
Speaker 6: They might have been ranked at one point. I'm not 100% certain, but Minnesota, yes. Yeah. No, Minnesota won. I'm sorry. They're coming off a win against Iowa. Okay, that's right. The two ranked matchups this week, number 13, Texas Tech at home against Arizona, and then Florida and Georgia.
01:02:09
Speaker 2: Okay, Florida-Georgia feels pretty big, right?
01:02:11
Speaker 6: Yeah, I will say I was looking at next week. Obviously, there's Miami and Notre Dame. That's the big one. But Georgia travels to Ole Miss and takes on the Rebels in Oxford. So maybe that's potentially where SEC ESPN goes.
01:02:27
Speaker 2: You know one thing that my weird brain figured out yesterday? What's that?
01:02:33
Speaker 1: This is the– I couldn't sleep last night. And so I'm laying there. I look at the clock. It was like three 46 in the morning. And I looked at the clock and then I thought, well, so I thought, well, I'll do a little show prep. So I pulled up the white.
01:02:49
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know.
01:02:50
Speaker 2: Uh, well till three 48, then.
01:02:52
Speaker 6: I fell asleep. Oh, so that's what put you to bed was trying to, trying to prep. Well, listen to this.
01:02:59
Speaker 2: Of the net. Now this is a weird brain drop of all brain drops.
01:03:03
Speaker 7: Okay.
01:03:03
Speaker 5: Okay.
01:03:05
Speaker 2: Of the 25.
01:03:06
Speaker 1: Teams ranked in college football right now, 13 of the 25, so more than 50%. More than 50% of the college football top 25 are schools who have been to a basketball Final Four more recently than Indiana.
01:03:23
Speaker 2: How about them apples? Can you follow where I'm going with that? You get where I'm going with that, right?
01:03:31
Speaker 8: Sure.
01:03:31
Speaker 7: Sure.
01:03:32
Speaker 1: I know that we think Indiana's a basketball school, but it's like, well, wait a minute. Obviously, now it's a football school.
01:03:36
Speaker 6: What do you make of this, though? In the second half, so in the third and fourth quarter solo, Hoosiers only attempt one pass, and it was intercepted. Josh Hoover completes the shot, or the pass to shot in overtime that sets him up to play before the touchdown. And after the game, Kurt Cignetti is mentioning about how there was a heavy discussion whether or not to bench Hoover and You have to think like this is a team that's undefeated. And granted, Hoover has not played well, but he was clearly injured or something was ailing him.
01:04:10
Speaker 2: I think he's injured.
01:04:12
Speaker 6: But Cignetti is having that discussion, whereas Shane Steichen doesn't even have the thought.
01:04:21
Speaker 2: Great point. Two different types of coaches. Two different types of backup quarterbacks.
01:04:27
Speaker 6: Also true.
01:04:29
Speaker 1: I think, again, Eddie, I'm going to go back to This is nothing, nothing more than just an intuition. It is my belief that when Shane Steichen continues to profess his belief in Daniel Jones, that what he is really telling us is it's because of his lack of belief in the alternative. I just feel like, I don't think it's personal. I don't think that he dislikes him as a person. I just feel that Shane Steichen has no trust at all or faith in what he would see if he hands the keys back to Anthony Richardson. I just don't. And maybe based on last week, that's the wrong terminology. But I just feel like he does not trust Anthony Richardson at all.
01:05:25
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was the helmet tap. I don't know if it.
01:05:28
Speaker 1: Was just the way he conducted himself as a young player. But what is really interesting is, theoretically or seemingly for the Colts, the one guy in the building now that was the most supportive, yes, of Anthony Richardson was Chris Ballard. And he's gone, and so now I think there's even less motivation for Steichen or pressure probably for him to turn that route. As for Indiana, Eddie, I thought what you saw, and you know what? And I'm interested to talk to Don Fisher about this. I thought Michigan got pretty good. The numbers wouldn't bear this out. But I thought Michigan got pretty gutsy quarterback play. But Indiana defensively was able to get stops and push Michigan out of scoring range on multiple occasions. It was just the classic game for Indiana of kind of hang around until you had to make a play and someone's going to make a play. And it was Josh Hoover twice in the overtime, obviously. And then defensively, they got stops.
01:06:47
Speaker 2: But, you know.
01:06:51
Speaker 1: As that game was unfolding, I began to think to myself, you know, I had said that I thought that the loss against Ohio State was going to be irrelevant for Indiana, but if they had lost that game at Michigan, I don't know then if they wouldn't be out without any chance to get back in. Because that would for sure eliminate them from the chance to play for the Big Ten Championship. And in addition to that, you'd have two losses, and it would be against, you know, you want one of those two, even though Michigan is not, this is not your grandpa's Michigan.
01:07:24
Speaker 2: I get that.
01:07:26
Speaker 1: But I, I knew this, I guess, but I don't know that it ever totally dawned on me until it happened that that is the first time in my lifetime that Indiana has won in the big house. I, I don't know why I was just assuming that they're, that they I mean, they've had great moments there. Darius Willis had a huge game there one year, I remember, as a freshman. I mean, they've had moments where they hung around, and I certainly remember them winning. I've seen them multiple times win in Bloomington. But even though it's not Bo Schimbechler's Michigan Wolverines or Jim Harbaugh's stealing plays Michigan Wolverines, it still is the big house. And in Indiana's case, what you saw was a team that had a resolve about itself that I don't even know that Cignetti's first team would have necessarily dug that deep. But this group has just been through it. They've been tested in big moments. I think it's funny when people say, and I saw somebody last week, yeah, but Indiana, they haven't played any, you know, who have they played or whatever else? And I'm like, this particular group won a national championship by beating Ohio State in the Big Ten title game, blowing out Alabama, blowing out Oregon, and beating Miami. I mean, come on. There are no bigger tests or no bigger programs to beat back to back to back than that. I mean, it's not just that Indiana last year won the national title and did it in resounding fashion. It was who they beat that was the most impressive about it to me. So this group is battle tested. I thought they showed it. It was not a fabulous performance against Michigan, but it was one that was a slugfest, and in the end, they found a way to make the play to win them the game.
01:09:21
Speaker 2: And you do need games like that.
01:09:23
Speaker 1: Now, we said the same about Nebraska, so maybe they are playing with fire a little bit.
01:09:27
Speaker 2: Maybe they are.
01:09:30
Speaker 6: Last year, Jake, they had a game like that against Iowa and Penn State.
01:09:34
Speaker 2: That's fair.
01:09:35
Speaker 1: And Penn State would have been also similar because A downed.
01:09:39
Speaker 2: Team, but still a huge stadium, big environment, and etc.
01:09:43
Speaker 6: That was the week after Penn State had fired their coach, right?
01:09:47
Speaker 8: Right.
01:09:47
Speaker 6: And it was a wide-out game for the Nittany Lions, I think. So they were playing with a little bit of juice.
01:09:53
Speaker 1: And by the way, James Franklin now at Virginia Tech, and Virginia Tech getting a win after I watched Indiana-Michigan, then I watched Clemson and Virginia Tech that night, and God love him. He's a nice man, and he's been on the show, and I appreciate it. But Tom Allen, now the D coordinator at Clemson, and I'm like, okay, so you go from Indiana. You forget about the Tom Allen era, right, because Cignetti comes in, and boom. And poor Tom Allen now at Clemson, and they have gone completely in reverse. But that's not on Tom Allen. That illuminates and speaks to the importance of NIL and portal management because Clemson is one that refused to do that. And I kind of commend Dabo Sweeney to it. It's not because I'm a fan of Clemson that I say this, that I find it kind of refreshing, but after they were so dominant, it is kind of refreshing to be like, you know what? They're just going to go back to being who they are, and if that means scratching and clawing to try to get to eight wins to go to the Music City Bowl, at least for right now, I'm actually okay with that.
01:11:03
Speaker 7: I mean.
01:11:04
Speaker 2: It was great.
01:11:04
Speaker 1: It was fun going to Miami and going to... I didn't go to Glendale, Arizona, but they were dominant for sure. But it is surreal to me to know that Indiana is now that team. And they have used Portal to a great extent. And then look at JMU. Whoever is coaching at James Madison right now, is he now destined to go get some million-dollar job and take over and just look at UCLA, right?
01:11:29
Speaker 7: Right.
01:11:31
Speaker 1: The cradle of coaching, James Madison, right? The cradle of coaching. Mike Chappell, CBS4, WXAN, back to the Colts conversation. And Eddie, great point about that with Kurt Cignetti contemplating quarterback change, but Shane Steichen adamant that he will not, at least as of right now, think that way. Is that about to change? We'll ask Chap next. Mike Chappell is... On the Game Day Men's Health guest line, Game Day Men's Health, six locations around central Indiana. Chap with CBS4 and WXAN, Fox 59. Colts yesterday dropping one in Minnesota. So let's get to this question first, Chap. In your opinion, Would Shane Steichen be more prone towards exploring the possibility of a quarterback change if they had, in fact, extended Anthony Richardson? Or is it a moot point because Richardson's not going to be here next year, so what's the point? Of course, we don't know if Steichen will be either, but what's the point and purpose? If he had another year left on his deal, would that force the Colts to be more open-minded about giving this another run?
01:12:45
Speaker 10: I hadn't thought about that, but Maybe these guys are so much in the moment that I would say no. And I have a hard time believing I'm going to say this, but he needs to make a quarterback change. And I don't like his options, whether it's Richardson or Leonard. But, and I've not been, I've, from the start of this year, I thought the best move to make would have been to relocate Anthony Richardson for so many reasons, and one of them popped up in the last week or so, judgment. So, but if this were, correct me if I'm wrong, if this were any other position, of course you make a change because that guy's not doing his job, edge pass rusher, left tackle, whatever. But this is sort of the, corner they painted themselves into. And I don't think Shane wants to make a change. I really don't. We'll talk to him later today. Now, whether at some point Carly or say Gordon says, hey, listen, you're, you know, we got to see. And I don't know what you want to see from Richardson. You're already committed to $ 47 million to Daniel Jones next year. So let's say Richardson comes in and plays well and whatever. You're going to give him a new contract? Really? So they're liking no man's land at quarterback. And I tell you, it tells you how bad Jones is playing that I think that he needs to sit down.
01:14:28
Speaker 1: Do you believe, Chap, when– Eddie, do you have the– for those that didn't hear, and I know you did, Mike, because you– I want to hear Shane Steichen, or let's let everybody hear again, Shane Steichen yesterday after the game when asked about whether or not he would make a quarterbacking change. This was Shane Steichen yesterday when asked by James Boyd whether or not He had contemplated going away from Daniel Jones to Anthony Richardson.
01:14:52
Speaker 4: No, I have not thought about a quarterback change because I got a ton of faith in Daniel. The game plan today was to go in and run the football, and obviously at the end he had the interception, and that happens in football.
01:15:01
Speaker 2: Okay, that happens in football. Okay, great.
01:15:03
Speaker 1: Chap, is it because he has a ton of faith in Daniel Jones or because he has zero faith in Anthony Richardson?
01:15:12
Speaker 10: Yes, yes and yes. Zero faith. I won't go that far. But it's obvious that there's not a ton of faith in the backup quarterback. I think.
01:15:29
Speaker 2: We lost Chap there. Did we lose Chap, Eddie? There we go. Go ahead, Mike. Sorry, we lost you for a split second.
01:15:36
Speaker 10: I think it's just that they've shown us through the year what their trust in Richardson is. And I don't think there's been a game this year, even like the fourth quarter, There are times in the past that a coach will bring in a backup for a spark or whatever and then go back to your starter. But the problem is once you make the change to Richardson, then he's your quarterback, isn't he? I mean, you're going to go back to Jones. You can't say sometimes it's, well, he needs to sit down so he can look at the game from a different angle. That shouldn't be the case with Daniel Jones with the quarterback and his experience. So all it would prove is that Right now, he doesn't merit being your quarterback. Like I said, in any other position, a receiver dropping the ball or the left tackle getting beat or whatever, you've made that change. And again, maybe after all that we talked about today at 220, Shane says, well, we'll see. If it's ever he's our quarterback right now, well, then they're about a game away from making a change. But that's not what Shane's you know, stance has been. The one thing he did say was last Friday that Anthony Richardson is our backup right now, which makes you wonder if they were considering moving him to three and Leonard to two. So I don't know. It'll be very curious. You can have your quarterback. Yes, the game plan was what it was yesterday. It was run the ball and they ran for 165, which you would take every day. But you can't throw for 108 yards in today's NFL. You can't do it.
01:17:17
Speaker 1: Well, Mike, when you look at, for example, and one other question about Richardson, and maybe this is me totally overthinking it.
01:17:25
Speaker 2: I don't know.
01:17:27
Speaker 1: But– and the Keenan Allen situation would be in defiance of what I'm about to say. But is there any possibility because of the repeated stuff– and I'm talking about stuff that might have happened inside the building that we don't know or didn't see. Nothing overly egregious, but– not going through every single thing that's expected in terms of meetings or whatever else when you're the franchise quarterback as a young player, etc. Was there something you believe that could have just cumulatively been the case where Shane Steichen has a worry that if he now goes to Anthony Richardson that it sends a message to the rest of the team about accountability and the helmet tap and everything else and where he just says to himself, I cannot go back to that because I've drawn too hard a line in the sand here.
01:18:12
Speaker 10: Well, and I understand that rationale and it might be part of it, but at the same time, what are you telling your team when your quarterback has four touchdowns and seven interceptions and he's not giving you a chance to win? So that's, that's where they are. And you know, would it shock me if they went with Leonard? Shock's a strong word when you've been through like 2022, uh, So I don't know. That's why they're in such a bad way. And where do they go Sunday? Jacksonville. Holy smokes. And they're coming off a bye. So it's a very good point. We don't know all that went in, all that's gone on with Richardson behind the scenes. I said, whether it was last year or whatever, with Richardson, as much as I was concerned with the injuries, which you have to be, and the inconsistent play, 50% completion percentage, the fact that he was benched for not being prepared. I mean, your quarterback is not preparing the right way. Are you kidding me? And this couldn't have been when they woke up in whatever week that was, 6, 7, 5, whatever it was, that, oh, he's not preparing the right way. As a franchise, they let things go on and they let things fester until it got to the point that the coach said, I've got to make an example. And that's when Flacco came in, and Flacco played so poorly that they had to go back to Richardson. And the incident in Karma with the marijuana, the only word that comes to my mind is judgment. I want my quarterback to have judgment.
01:19:55
Speaker 2: Good judgment. Chap, it's like I said, when.
01:19:59
Speaker 1: That misdemeanor charge, it would be completely hypocritical of me to sit here, not because I've had that charge, I'm not saying that, but forgetting to put a license plate sticker on or whatever else.
01:20:13
Speaker 2: I mean, I've been an idiot, especially at that age. I got a ticket.
01:20:16
Speaker 10: Yes, I've done that before a while ago.
01:20:19
Speaker 1: But having said that, when you are an NFL quarterback, you are mostly getting paid to make good decisions.
01:20:25
Speaker 8: Right.
01:20:25
Speaker 1: And you're allowed to make the occasional bad decision, but once it becomes habitual or repetitive, then you just go, okay, I mean, you know, we got to move on from this.
01:20:35
Speaker 2: But with that said... Let's go to a different position.
01:20:41
Speaker 1: Now, I'm going to again confess to, and I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I was curious of this. I like Seth McGowan, and I like the way he runs. He runs hard, and he's not the best blocking back, but neither is Jonathan Taylor. But he got more and more reps yesterday. Is it possible that what we're seeing is them further exploring what he can do in the event that they decide to move on from Jonathan Taylor and get out of him what they can in return? because they're in a world of hurt moving forward draft stock-wise.
01:21:12
Speaker 10: I would say that's taking a leap. I think what they're trying to do is keep Taylor fresh for the game and get McGowan some rushes as well. I don't think this is a test drive of, hey, if and when, not if, when we trade JT. Because again, I saw some people on Twitter, well, this guy shows he can be a number one running back. No, it doesn't. It shows that he can come in And get those reps in the third or fourth possession or in the third quarter and do a good job. And that's what he's done.
01:21:46
Speaker 2: So you believe they will trade Jonathan Taylor?
01:21:49
Speaker 9: Yes.
01:21:51
Speaker 8: Yes.
01:21:52
Speaker 10: Because. Because he's– there are too many teams that need a running back, a top-tier running back. Seattle, Green Bay, Minnesota.
01:22:02
Speaker 3: Yeah.
01:22:03
Speaker 10: Minnesota. I joke that you should have left JT in Minneapolis and say, we're going to trade him in a week anyway, so let him get his apartment. But yeah, this is going to be all about when they make a move or two and looking to the future. I thought, maybe I misread, but one of the things that Carl Yersey Gordon said was, we made the decision on Chris Ballard when we did. It was deliberate because they were going to start building looking to the future. And in my mind, that rang of player moves, and it might have been difficult for Chris to make those moves, and it shouldn't be hard for Ed Dodds and Carly to make those moves because this is all about what can we get out of assets. It's cold business, but they're assets. And if Jonathan Taylor is here for the rest of the year, he's going to rush for, I don't know, 1,400 yards, And 12 touchdowns, and you're going to finish, what, 6-11?
01:23:07
Speaker 2: What do you believe they would get for him?
01:23:10
Speaker 10: Somebody keeps saying a 1, and boy, a 2 and a 4. I don't know. And I really like some of the– I really have a– I respect a lot of these players. I really do. And I'd love to see JT go to a– I would really like to see DeForest Buckner go somewhere to where he can get back to the Super Bowl. Remember in 2019, they did, and he comes here. So, yeah.
01:23:43
Speaker 1: Look, Chap, I've said this repeatedly, and I think maybe even with you. Mike Chappell, my guest on the Game Day Men's Health Guest Line. DeForest Buckner has been the consummate professional. This guy has come in, he's fought through injury, he's come back, he's been there for his teammates, he has done everything that's been asked, he has worked tirelessly, he has worked to come back to get healthy, he has worked to come back to be productive. He has been a leader in the locker room. He has bought gifts for his teammates. He has tried to boost morale. He has done everything until two weeks ago, finally, and he's like, look, I'm tired of this. And I get it, right? But he should be commended for being the one guy. I'm not saying there aren't others, but above all, he is the pro's pro. You agree with that?
01:24:27
Speaker 8: Right.
01:24:28
Speaker 10: And the Colts paid him really, really well. I mean, they really have. But he would have got that money on the open market, maybe a little more. I thought, and again, I didn't go to Minneapolis last night, but I saw the film clips of him at his locker, and maybe it was James said something about, you know, frustration level, and he doesn't know what to say. He sort of said, well, you know, what do you guys think? And we're going to talk to him Thursday, and he's going to stand there, and you're going to want to say, I got nothing for you. So he is, it's killing him. as it should every player. But when you're at his level, he's, what, 32? And he knows that he's much closer to the end of his career. And it's killing him to be with a team that is so limited in how they play the game. And the defense, I don't trust the defense, but the last two weeks they've played well enough to win. They have. And the offense hasn't done it. So yeah, I would like to see Buck go somewhere. And I don't know what you'll get for him. A three? I don't know. I don't know if you get a two for him or not, although he's such a great player in his position. Quentin Nelson, do you think they can trade him? I don't know how a team takes on Quentin knowing that it might be an eight-game rental. Because are you going to pay him next year $ 30 million? Somebody will, but And that's why I keep saying, and it's funny, we've got a real good friend who's a season ticket holder, and she's depressed over this. And I said, man, I feel for you, but it's not going to get any better. It's going to be difficult this season because you've got to fill time. I've got to write about it. And I thought if they could have found a way to win last night, yesterday and then beat Dallas somehow, you got a chance. But now what have you got?
01:26:39
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, Chap, and I'll say this to put a tie on all that. To me, it's one more game, the Jacksonville game, because your ticket now towards salvaging this deal is the division, and it's still in play if you can get those two against Jacksonville, and likely as that may be to get those two against Jacksonville. They lose coming up Sunday in Jacksonville, and then, yes, in fact– I think you can say it's probably over because the wild card with that log jam and having the conference losses they have is out the window, right? So if you get the one in Jacksonville, then guess what? We can sit here and say, hey, there's a beep. There's a chance.
01:27:18
Speaker 2: We shall see. Chap, appreciate the time as always. All right.
01:27:21
Speaker 10: Be well, bud.
01:27:22
Speaker 1: All right, Mike Chappell joining us from CBS4 and WXN, Fox 59 on the game day, Men's Health Guest Line. One thing I did not ask him about when we talk about running backs for the Colts and what it can fetch in the open market. I mentioned earlier, we do have precedent based on that, and it's a guy whose name was in the news, unfortunately, in the last week.
01:27:41
Speaker 2: I'll let you know what I'm talking about next.
01:27:45
Speaker 1: With the speculation of Jonathan Taylor's future in Indy and whether or not they can parlay them, Mike Chappell seemed to think that's going to be the case in the draft picks. I always go back to, as I've mentioned before, when Marshall Falk was traded because he got a second and a fifth. You may have seen the news Marshall Falk announcing last week that he has been diagnosed with Parkinson's. Falk is a player that when he was here was truly a dynamic and magnificent talent. And they kind of used him like he was literally their entire offense. And then they traded him to St.
01:28:18
Speaker 2: Louis. I covered the Rams once he went to St. Louis.
01:28:23
Speaker 1: And Falk was a, he was kind of an icy figure for certain.
01:28:28
Speaker 2: You know, I.
01:28:31
Speaker 1: Wouldn't say that he was arrogant, but he was a pretty tough cookie. And one thing that I always respected and admired about covering him was when I was in St. Louis and kind of the St. Louis media told me, they're like, yeah, Falk's pretty tough. Like he doesn't talk a lot. And if he does, he's always kind of difficult and testy. He was always testy. It's the best way to say it. And he was that way for certain. And then finally one day I actually knew because when I'd worked in Broad Ripple, there was, um, a gal that worked at one of the hair salons in Broad Ripple who I think he had dated, but more so they were just very close to one another. Um, and so I just finally one day to break the ice, I guess. And I'd been there for a while. I just said, by the way, um, you know, I happen to know, and I, you know, I'm friends with, and I mentioned her name. And from then on, he was great because he's like, well, you're from Indy. And I'm like, well, yeah, I mean, I've didn't remember me from being a grunt at Channel 6. But once he knew that I had Indianapolis ties and had just known some of the areas that he hung around in Indy, he was great. So even though I think, I'm not saying that he had like some affinity for Indianapolis or does, but I do think that he appreciated the time and the people that he was around here. And he was pretty good to deal with then. And he was a great player. But he has said now that he is diagnosed with Parkinson's, that he is going to utilize that towards helping out others, which I greatly appreciate. Paul, I'll squeeze you in real quick here.
01:30:09
Speaker 2: 239-1070. Paul's on the line. What's up, Paul?
01:30:12
Speaker 8: What's up, Jake?
01:30:13
Speaker 5: How you doing?
01:30:14
Speaker 1: I'm doing well, thank you.
01:30:17
Speaker 5: Jake, I think we need to be getting an announcement today that Shane Steichen has been fired.
01:30:23
Speaker 8: What?
01:30:24
Speaker 5: Because for him to not hold Daniel Jones accountable like he's held everybody else is blasphemous. I mean, you cut Williams after two fumbles in the first game a few years ago. You trade Mitchell after he mishandled the ball going over the goal line after doing miraculous moves to even get down there. and you bitch Anthony Richardson for a tap out. If that tap out is worse than all these mistakes Daniel Jones is making, then I'm befuddled because, yes, he shouldn't have did that, but he's owned up to that mistake, and he said that would never happen again. Daniel Jones has said he's got to protect his ball and do better, and what does he do? He still goes out there and gives the other team the ball. I don't care that the guy was coming on and he tipped his arm a little bit He was still throwing it to a tight end who was double covered while you had a receiver breaking open right over the middle.
01:31:31
Speaker 1: Listen, he admitted it was the wrong decision, right? Did Daniel Jones. Paul, I appreciate it. And look, I agree with a lot of what you're saying there, Paul.
01:31:39
Speaker 2: A lot of it.
01:31:40
Speaker 1: But there's one aspect of it that I think we can't overlook when it comes to Shane Steichen and Anthony Richardson.
01:31:46
Speaker 2: And I'll get to that later. When we come.
01:31:49
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01:35:25
Speaker 2: I don't think that's going to happen. Don't misquote me here.
01:35:29
Speaker 1: I'm just saying if you are within the front office, you probably are looking at it, or if you're Shane Steichen and you're saying, hey, we've got to find whatever way we can to tunnel ourselves out of this. The one way to do that would be to beat Jacksonville twice and then see where you stand within the division. I think they lose in Jacksonville on Sunday, and then at that point, you are literally playing for a rebuild. Yesterday, somebody said to me, they need to tear this thing down to the studs. And the problem is, they don't.
01:36:06
Speaker 2: Have enough of them. What studs do they have? DeForest Buckner? Jonathan Taylor? Quentin Nelson?
01:36:17
Speaker 1: DeForest Buckner is in the twilight of his career and is probably one guy as a service that you go ahead and move along and trade. Jonathan Taylor is a really good piece. There's no doubt about it. But he right now is in prime, maybe even like in the backstretch of his prime. And if you are now in the point where you're a two to three year window away from rebuild, then what good does Jonathan Taylor do you other than you parlay that into timelines. And I go back to, and I know I've made this analogy a million times, but I think it's a really good reference point. The aforementioned Marshall Falk. When they traded Marshall Falk, it was not because they didn't like Marshall Falk. It's because they knew in drafting Peyton Manning that they were going to have like a two-year learning window and They're looking at it and they're saying, but Marshall Falk is, from an age standpoint, when Manning is really hitting his prime, Falk will be on the backside of his prime. Now, it turns out that Falk was a guy that had a prime that was really long, you know what I mean? But I understood the thought process on it. That's why they drafted Edger and James, because it's all about the consistency of timeline. And in the case of Jonathan Taylor, yes, you can hold on to that. But I think we can safely say at this point that Daniel Jones is not your long-term quarterback. So you go out and if you get a young quarterback or at some point you've got to hand the keys over to somebody you're building around, you want to do so with a back that is growing with them and in prime with them. And that would not be the case with Jonathan Taylor. So your timelines no longer really add up with him.
01:38:03
Speaker 2: They don't sync.
01:38:05
Speaker 1: Which then leads you to the question of why not Anthony Richardson? Now, Shane Steichen has been effusive in his praise and his belief in Daniel Jones.
01:38:20
Speaker 2: But I really, truly.
01:38:21
Speaker 1: Believe that it's not as much about a belief in Daniel Jones, which I believe he has. but also a lack of belief in the alternative. I just think Shane Steichen looks at Anthony Richardson and says, I'm not doing it. And part of why we can sit here and say it's because of the helmet tap. We can say it's because of the misdemeanor charge last week. We could say it's because When he first was there, he wasn't doing everything that was asked of him, et.
01:38:54
Speaker 2: Cetera, et cetera.
01:38:56
Speaker 1: I think a big part of it may be the last time that we saw Anthony Richardson get hurt, it was really at the fault of Anthony Richardson, where he did not recognize a corner blitz coming from Baltimore and didn't check away from it and got blasted. And when you look at the... And that was, if I'm not mistaken, there was a preseason game, so it wasn't even like the starting unit of Baltimore, if I'm not mistaken. But either way, I think when you look at that game yesterday in Minnesota, that defense for the Vikings was so nasty, and they pressured the heck out of Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones was terrible. I'm not here to sugarcoat that at all. He was terrible. But he also had no time. And when he did have time, who's he throwing to? Who's he throwing to? His big target of Michael Pittman Jr., gone. His deep ball threat of Alec Pierce, gone. His tight end safety net in Tyler Warren, missing. Who's he throwing to? Keenan Allen?
01:40:08
Speaker 2: Okay. So there is that aspect of it.
01:40:12
Speaker 1: I'm not here by any means to say, in totality, that's in defense of him. But the areas that, and I'm, again, I'm always hesitant to throw the guy that just got jettisoned under the bus because that's the easy and kind of lazy narrative, but it is true. If you want to know why Chris Ballard was relieved of his duties, it was more than just they needed.
01:40:40
Speaker 1: Or they needed to show fans an energy or a sudden jolt of reason to be excited or just a change in general. Look at the situation they're in. I mean, it literally, before our very eyes, now it jumps right out at you. You got no quarterback, and the one you do have, you're on the hook for paying for another year at 40 plus a year. You got the backup quarterback that was the top five pick in literally a must-have draft. Like, if there's a year that you have to hit on a draft pick, it's at quarterback when you're drafting inside the top five. And they went with Anthony Richardson knowing the limitation, knowing the question marks, knowing the areas where he needed help, and they delivered none of it.
01:41:37
Speaker 2: They didn't help him. Now, at some point, you got to help yourself. I get that. But they did him no favors. And they knew.
01:41:47
Speaker 12: I knew.
01:41:48
Speaker 2: Eddie knew. James knew. Kevin knew. John knew. Nathaniel knew. Caleb knew. Christian knew. Scotty knew.
01:41:57
Speaker 1: Everybody knew that when he came in, he was raw and he was going to need time. And so what did they do? They said, you know what? You haven't invented driver's ed yet. You've not been to the learning center at 62nd and Allisonville to go to driver's ed and get your learner's permit, but here, we're throwing you the keys to the Ferrari.
01:42:13
Speaker 2: Have fun.
01:42:14
Speaker 1: And then they were stunned when they found out he didn't know how to drive a stick. They didn't give him the basic principles and building blocks. Now, that's going on the way back. As of right now, there was plenty of time for him to learn those things. But all of the areas that right now are plugging the Colts, literally, it's like, oh, man, now that we are in the potential here to tear this down and tear it down to the studs, that's when you really look at it and you go, this situation is far more bleak than it even looked when Ballard was here, able to talk himself out of it. Because you have no first-round pick. You have no definitive long-term answer at quarterback. You have no long-term answer at like over-the-middle secondary receiver or second receiver, complementary receiver. I don't even know if you have a deep ball threat. Do we realistically know? If Alec Pierce is coming back, do we know? You have no linebackers.
01:43:27
Speaker 7: None.
01:43:29
Speaker 2: And you know what? I'll give credit.
01:43:33
Speaker 1: We finally had somebody show up and give some pass rush yesterday. But outside of that, you don't have a lot of depth on your line either. So you've got to basically start over. And that's bleak for you Colts fans. But I'm going to ask you, and I know it sounds ridiculous.
01:44:00
Speaker 1: But I'm saying it not as a spokesperson for the organization, but rather as just a therapist to the city. I really do believe that things are going to be more enjoyable for you if you can just temper your expectation as to what the new goals are. The goal a year ago was to see whether or not this group with Daniel Jones at quarterback, and again, I bought it too.
01:44:36
Speaker 2: I drank that Flavor-Aid. It wasn't Kool-Aid, by the way. It was Flavor-Aid.
01:44:43
Speaker 1: I bought in, and I thought Daniel Jones was a guy you could win with. I thought Daniel Jones, if you give him the... Now, I don't know that Daniel Jones... is one that you can win with if you don't give him all the right, you got to build things around him clearly. But man, once it got in his head and he started to regress, Daniel Jones' career or his time in Indianapolis looks like he does when he takes a shotgun snap.
01:45:10
Speaker 2: Immediately backpedaling.
01:45:12
Speaker 1: And he has regressed back to the quarterback that the New York Jets, we can now say it probably. I was on record of saying I like Daniel Jones and I think you can win with him. Not this one. Not this one. He is making the wrong decisions. He seems timid. I think a big part of that is the Achilles still is in his mind, and by that I mean I don't know that he can properly plant. I don't know that he feels as confident in rolling out and extending plays. The Daniel Jones that we're seeing right now, you cannot win with.
01:45:42
Speaker 2: You can't.
01:45:44
Speaker 1: And so that then backs it out to where I think you have to temper your expectations and say, while there was hope going into this year that they were going to be good, now you just simply have to look at this and embrace, and I mean this sincerely, I don't mean this to be snarky. You have to embrace and welcome and accept that what you are now going to see is maybe not a complete rebuild, but certainly a retool at the very least of what they have and You now have reset your goals and your timeline.
01:46:24
Speaker 2: And it is, you know what?
01:46:26
Speaker 1: Now it just becomes about being an organization with the foundation of competency. Because they have looked completely incompetent for the last year. Every decision they've made has turned out to be the wrong one. Wasn't their fault when they made, sometimes they felt like the right decision at the time. Not extending Anthony Richardson. Right decision at the time. Now you look at it and you go, but if they had extended him, then maybe you have reason to turn to him and find out what's there and see if you can still build something. As it is, you've got a trade deadline coming up, and he's going to be a free agent at the end of the year, and one would think there's going to be no chance he signs here, right?
01:47:07
Speaker 2: I mean, he's requested to be traded from here.
01:47:09
Speaker 12: Mm-hmm.
01:47:11
Speaker 1: The decision to go with Daniel Jones seemed like the right one at the time. Now you look at it and you go, okay, he's back to the player that New York basically said, have at, take anybody, make an offer.
01:47:22
Speaker 2: And then they just flat out released him. Now you see why.
01:47:27
Speaker 1: The decision to go with, you know what, we're going to give a bunch of money to Jonathan Taylor and feature that as part of our, now you look at it and you're doing nothing more than auditioning him to move on from him.
01:47:40
Speaker 2: Great player. Great player.
01:47:43
Speaker 1: But for the reasons I mentioned, you now have to put him on the block. Everything that they have decided to do in the last year and the last year has quickly then turned itself into being the wrong decision.
01:47:55
Speaker 2: And that's why they are where they are.
01:47:57
Speaker 6: I think the other thing, too, that you didn't mention there, Jay, going into this season, we knew that the Colts needed another pass rusher, and Trey Hendrickson was out there, and that was option one, two, and three.
01:48:08
Speaker 8: Yes.
01:48:09
Speaker 6: There was no backup plan to it. You're still sitting on a boatload of cap space because your only plan was, well, Trey Hendrickson or bust.
01:48:19
Speaker 2: We like our guy. right?
01:48:20
Speaker 6: And then the whole we like our guys thing, yes. I mean, the roster itself, Jake, when you go with Daniel Jones and the reason why they were, what, 7-2, 8-2 or whatever the record was a year ago was because they were taking care of the football and the defense was getting turnovers. That's how you have to win with Daniel Jones is he's got to manage the game, not turn the ball over, be able to run the football. And the defense is able to get some stops. That is not the case. This defense is treacherous, treacherous. There's no receivers that are getting open because there's nobody stretching the field.
01:48:58
Speaker 2: And he look at, okay.
01:49:00
Speaker 6: And so now they're asking Daniel Jones to be a franchise quarterback, to go out there and elevate everyone around him to win games. And, Everyone knows that's not.
01:49:09
Speaker 2: Who he is. Look at Minnesota.
01:49:13
Speaker 1: Minnesota has an outstanding defense. And you wonder if the offense is going to be enough to not completely offset that.
01:49:26
Speaker 2: Look at other franchises.
01:49:29
Speaker 1: Look at Seattle. Seattle has an aggressive defense and an elite receiver. and good running backs, but you wonder if the quarterback is eventually going to be inconsistent enough to offset those things. All franchises in the NFL have an area of weakness that you hope doesn't offset the area that is their bread and butter. This Colts roster and the way it's assembled and the way that they have been put together and the way that they play You wonder what the strength is that you're hoping to not have it be offset.
01:50:07
Speaker 2: What is their strength? What is it? Running the football okay?
01:50:15
Speaker 8: Maybe?
01:50:17
Speaker 1: All of the areas, and again, it's at this point a moot point because Chris Ballard is no longer here. But all of the areas, and this is what should make people upset, except for that I'm asking you to reprogram that frustration into now the welcoming, the embracing of this new challenge and how much fun it's going to watch to see if they can get it addressed, I guess, if we're being optimistic here or being sunshiny, because it is nice outside. And you got the El Nino La Nina that's going to keep it nice for a while. But the reality is that this team... Everything that is plaguing it right now, everything that's plaguing it are the things that everyone, except for the guy that just lost his job, saw were going to be a problem.
01:51:13
Speaker 2: They have no receivers.
01:51:16
Speaker 1: They have a quarterback that has regressed, and there's no option because Shane Steichen very clearly is defiant that he is not, and maybe someday he's going to be forced. Maybe he's going to be forced to go to Anthony Richardson, but Anthony Richardson's biggest supporter isn't even in the building anymore. you have no linebackers, and you have no edge rush consistently. It's all the things that we've been jumping up and down about and we're told that we're just talking heads that don't know what we're talking about for six months or a year or 18 months, right?
01:51:47
Speaker 2: So now, tear it down to the studs. Sure. And I don't know which studs are even there that you decide to keep. Tyler Warren, maybe?
01:51:59
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you have to keep Tyler.
01:52:03
Speaker 2: Only because we haven't seen enough to verify that maybe he's exactly what everybody else is. A guy.
01:52:11
Speaker 6: Well, you need good players on good contracts.
01:52:15
Speaker 2: Understood. I get it. And he's a versatile player.
01:52:18
Speaker 6: Yeah.
01:52:18
Speaker 2: I get it.
01:52:20
Speaker 1: But it's just, you know, here's the thing, and a lot of people ask this on the text line, 239-1070, the text line, Jake, would Mike Tomlin.
01:52:29
Speaker 2: Be the Colts' top choice? I would assume. I would assume.
01:52:33
Speaker 1: I mean, there are going to be plenty of coaches, but how much interest? Then you wonder, Mike Tomlin is a guy that's going to be able to have his choice, right?
01:52:42
Speaker 6: Mike Tomlin said a couple of weeks ago, it was on a podcast of some sort, that he was like, oh, how do you like the transition to TV? He goes, I get paid pretty much the same for half the work.
01:52:54
Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah.
01:52:56
Speaker 8: Why?
01:52:56
Speaker 6: I mean, with that kind of, you know, I don't know, answer there. Why would he consider leaving TV? It's less stressful, let alone coming back into the NFL to an organization that's going to be completely rebuilding.
01:53:12
Speaker 1: Hey, Jake, why don't we try to trade our good assets to get good draft picks or recover the draft picks we've already lost? I get it, but I don't know that you have anybody on there that's going to fetch a first rounder.
01:53:24
Speaker 6: I don't think they do have a player that would fetch a first-rounder.
01:53:27
Speaker 2: You know, their best chance of getting a first-rounder back is hoping Chris Ballard gets a job somewhere and they're trying to fleece him, right?
01:53:33
Speaker 6: I think if you're talking about players that could get you a first-rounder, I'm curious if Sauce could get you one.
01:53:40
Speaker 5: I don't know.
01:53:43
Speaker 6: Because of the age, the contract still, you know.
01:53:45
Speaker 2: I get it.
01:53:46
Speaker 6: Relatively nice.
01:53:48
Speaker 1: But wouldn't you, if you're another franchise, aren't you looking at it going, wait a minute, you just traded two first rounds for this guy and you're already giving up on him?
01:53:55
Speaker 6: Well, I'm not saying that.
01:53:56
Speaker 2: I understand.
01:53:57
Speaker 6: I'm saying it in the other way of like a team calling up the Colts.
01:54:00
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
01:54:00
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:54:01
Speaker 2: But if you're another team, you know that the, you know.
01:54:03
Speaker 6: You know, if you're Chicago, the Bears, for example, you have an issue in your secondary. And if you have the full anticipation and expectation that you're going to be One of the final teams playing in the postseason, are you willing of trading your 30th overall pick?
01:54:15
Speaker 2: That's the other problem is for the Colts, you're like, okay, well, it's the 30th pick. You know what I mean? It's not like you're getting into the top five.
01:54:21
Speaker 6: I know, but depending on who you trade and what you get, there's still the ability to kind of maneuver your way up the draft board.
01:54:30
Speaker 1: Hey, Jake, I think it's a complete rebuild. The main reason is Ballard's philosophy in football. Build from the inside out. Huge emphasis on D and O lines. Run the ball and receivers just aren't a priority. Few teams play the Tampa 2 zone slop that Ballard was stuck on.
01:54:44
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:54:45
Speaker 2: Again, philosophical rebuild. Roster rebuild. All of it, right? All of it.
01:54:51
Speaker 1: Tear it down to the studs. And then try to find some. I mean, that's the biggest thing. Tear it down to the studs and then try to find a couple of studs yourself. Indiana over the weekend against Michigan. That was one. We talked about it earlier. If the Nebraska game was last year's Iowa... Then perhaps the Michigan game was last year's Penn State. And Indiana was kind of down into a spot where they had to make a play.
01:55:18
Speaker 2: They had to dig down deep. And their quarterback may be banged up.
01:55:24
Speaker 1: But he made plays for them when it mattered most. Don Fisher is the voice of the Hoosiers, joins us next. We will take a look back at that and preview Minnesota with College Game Day coming for Indiana. They are still on the path of where they want to be, albeit perhaps not in a Big Ten championship game.
01:55:39
Speaker 2: We'll talk to Don Fisher next.
01:55:43
Speaker 1: Indiana doing what they needed to do to win in the big house against Michigan. When you certainly look at the score, it doesn't jump out at you as one that was... oh, wow, they blew out Michigan, anything like that. That was a gutsy win, if you will. And Don Fisher joining me now on the Game Day Men's Health Guest Line, the voice of the Hoosiers. Indiana and Minnesota coming up on Saturday, 3.30, pregame at 2.30 here on this radio station. But Don, I'm going to begin with this. I thought personally in watching, and then I was listening to you and Buck in the second half of that game, so I think you'll agree with me here, I thought Michigan, from a perspective of quarterback play, just was a really gutsy performance by them on Saturday. And I thought for Indiana, a very good defensive performance, but that was not a good defensive performance due to lack of skill or effort from Michigan offensively. I thought it was a really good defensive performance against a quarterback as a young player that I was pretty impressed with.
01:56:47
Speaker 2: Do you agree with that?
01:56:49
Speaker 7: Well, I think Tommy Carr is a very good young quarterback. I don't think there's much question about that. And I thought he did a very good job in his first career start. Obviously, he took over halftime last week, or the week before last, as the starting quarterback in the second half of their ballgame, in which they came up with a big win. And without doubt, he gets to start this week for the first time. I'm sure he had some jitters, just like any freshman quarterback would. But at the same time, I thought he was very good at what he was able to do in that ballgame. And here's the reason I say that, because I thought Indiana put as much pressure on him as he could possibly imagine. And I thought he handled most of those opportunities pretty well. But I thought Indiana's defense in that ballgame was the difference, without question. It was certainly for Indiana because the offense wasn't working as well as it needed to. And at the same time with a quarterback that was hurt. So from my perspective, this ball game was going to be a defensive struggle. I thought Indiana's defense won the game for them, even though obviously it took an overtime to get it done. And that's when the, you know, that Josh Hoover took over and really played some terrific ball in that final couple of segments of that contest. So Honestly, yeah, Tommy Carr did a nice job. And we all knew that Michigan was going to put out forth a tremendous defensive effort because they do have a really talented defense. And they're one of the best defenses in the league without question. So they gave Indiana all kinds of problems in that regard. But as we always say, it only matters whether you win or lose. And in this case, it mattered that Indiana won. And they did it in a really exciting fashion. And to beat that team... In the big house since 1967, it's the first win for Indiana in that context. That's 59 years, Jake. All I can tell you is they found a way, and it was a terrific win for IU.
01:58:54
Speaker 1: And I was thinking about this as well. You know, you've never called a win in the big house until then. I mean, that was like in a broadcast career of Indiana football keeps delivering you firsts, correct?
01:59:09
Speaker 7: There's no doubt since Kurt Cignetti has come on board that I've experienced more firsts ever in my 54 years of doing IU.
01:59:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, unbelievable. That is true.
01:59:20
Speaker 1: Don, I thought Josh Hoover, look, and I want to get to the injury in a second, but the reality is, statistically, nothing jumps out at you.
01:59:30
Speaker 2: You know, 8 of 18 for 81 yards. I mean, there's nothing gaudy about it.
01:59:33
Speaker 1: But when they needed him to, then it was like, okay, he was as cool as the other side of the pillow when he needed to be late in the game. I thought he was outstanding, obviously, with those two plays in the overtime. What is it about him that allows him, I guess, to be able to deliver in that moment after being limited the rest of the game?
01:59:55
Speaker 7: Well, one of the things that always factors into something like that is the experience level that this kid's got. I mean, he was the starter for Texas Christian for two-plus years with that football program, and now he comes to Indiana. He's learned a different system. It's obviously a different style of play and all those kinds of things at Indiana, but He had not thrown an interception until this particular ball game against Michigan. And it was the first pass he threw in the third quarter that was picked off. And from that point forward, they didn't throw the football again. Well, why didn't they? Well, the reason was simple. He was hurting. He's got a shoulder injury, and it's not keeping him out of playing, but he didn't have the zip in that ball that you would expect. And that's when Curt Cignetti, I'm assuming, decided, we're going to run the football, and that's how we're going to win this football game. And that's essentially what they did the rest of the contest. He only threw the one pass in the third and fourth quarter, which was picked off, as I said. And then he didn't throw another one until the overtime when nobody was expecting it. And then he ran it into the end zone for the touchdown that decided the ball game. So I will tell you this about Josh. I think he's one of those guys that understands exactly what it's all about. He's been there. He's done that. He's got the T-shirt, so to speak, because of the experience level. And I think he's a really calm kid. I thought he was a little amped up against Ohio State. I thought that's one of the reasons that some of his throws there were not particularly good or weren't quite spot on, so to speak, as far as receivers were concerned. All I can tell you is I think he's one of those calm guys. He never comes off as excited. And I think he's one of those guys that just handles pressure very, very well.
02:01:53
Speaker 1: And Don, with that, with Indiana and Minnesota coming up this Saturday, and maybe this is something we'll learn more of over the course of the week, but is it possible that we are going to again see utilizing the talent you have in the backfield for the running back standpoint, but just kind of limiting that shoulder and where do we know or what do we know in terms of where he is from a health standpoint and how that might limit what they want to do?
02:02:20
Speaker 7: I think he is limited to some degree with his throwing ability because of the shoulder. And I guess treatment and all those kinds of things will take place this week as it did last week because he hurt the shoulder against Ohio State. And that's when the problem came on board. And without doubt, he was not 100% on Saturday against Michigan. And yet they found a way to get it done without him throwing the football a lot, especially in the second half. And his throws in the first half weren't exactly sharp and perfectly thrown and all that kind of thing. All I can tell you, Jake, is with a football team like this, you've got to take advantage of the experience level of the quarterback, and certainly I think Indiana did that on Saturday. Even though he didn't throw the ball in the second half, he didn't fumble it. He didn't get caught back in situations where he could have been sacked or any of those kinds of things. Of course, just running the football, he's not going to get sacked probably, but My point is, it's all part of not just Josh Hoover. It's a part of the offensive line doing their job. It's a part of the coaching staff making the right calls. And in this particular case, you kind of wore Michigan's defense out a little bit as that ballgame progressed because you just stuffed it right down their throats every time you possibly could. And of course, they didn't do a great job of running the football, at least from a tremendous statistical perspective. But they did keep pounding it. And that wears teams out a little bit as you go forward. And that was all part of how it happened. And Indiana was able to win the ballgame.
02:03:57
Speaker 2: Don Fisher is my guest.
02:03:59
Speaker 1: He is the voice of the Indiana Hoosiers, of course, on the Game Day Men's Health Guest Line. All right, Don, let's pivot here literally and figuratively to basketball.
02:04:06
Speaker 2: You know, the Hoosiers... And I know that you had mentioned last time we talked that you really liked what you've seen so far out of Bryce Lindsey. That continued in their win over Western Kentucky yesterday. But as we now kind of ramp down exhibition season and get into, hard to believe, once we get into November, the regular season, what do you like or what still maybe is an area of intrigue to you about this particular group of Darren DeVries?
02:04:32
Speaker 7: Well, I'm intrigued about everything about this team right now because I think, first of all, we've seen them play three games already. None of those three games were played at Simon Scott Assembly Hall. So they're playing away from home in all three of these situations. Yesterday, they played a Western Kentucky team that was better than advertised probably from most people's perspective. They're a Conference USA team. They're expected to win the Conference USA championship this year because they.
02:05:00
Speaker 6: Do have the tools to do that.
02:05:02
Speaker 7: They've got a kid that's named Tegan Moore, who is just a terrific player, Redshirt Jr., who had hip surgery, I guess, a year ago prior to last season. And last season, he was averaging 18.7 points a game.
02:05:16
Speaker 6: He's 6'6.
02:05:18
Speaker 7: He's a big physical kid at 220 pounds, and he was tremendous yesterday against Indiana with 30 points. But the thing I'm pointing to here is we've seen Indiana play two games against Butler and North Carolina. And North Carolina, of course, is one of the blue bloods in the country. I don't think they're that good this year based on what we saw. But Indiana dominated these two ballgames in the second half of each. In this ballgame against Western Kentucky, they were down at halftime by a point or two. And then in the second half, Western Kentucky built an 11-point lead with about 12, 13 minutes to go in the ballgame, and Indiana had to fight their way back. And so what intrigues me about this ballclub right now, we still haven't seen— as much as we need to see before, of course, the real firing starts, other than the fact that, yeah, we've gotten an idea of what this team looks like.
02:06:11
Speaker 2: We know that they can rebound.
02:06:13
Speaker 7: That's probably their strength right now, where last year was probably their biggest weakness. So that part of it's different and new. And then I think on top of that, this roster is still very much in flux at this point, even though he started the same lineups in all three ballgames. We saw a freshman come in yesterday, the last five minutes of that ballgame, and make a difference because the rest of the group that started the ballgame, for the most part, wasn't really performing up to hoped-for expectations in this third ballgame of the exhibition part of the season. And so Darren DeVries went with the three freshmen, Sam Alexis and Bryce Lindsey, two guys that are veterans. Those two guys, along with those three freshmen, finished out that ballgame and found a way to win it. And that tells me that this roster is pretty deep, a lot deeper than what we saw a year ago. I think it also has more tools than they had a year ago. And I think that's going to make a big difference with this basketball program this season.
02:07:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks to me, Don, like he's going to have the flexibility to play a couple of different ways situationally.
02:07:20
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
02:07:21
Speaker 1: Because he's got guys who can do kind of different things depending on what the moment calls for in a game. I wanted to ask one other thing about Sam Alexis. To me, and I watched him in the Butler exhibition, this is a guy that is a veteran player that was really– kind of a go-to guy for Indiana in his time in Bloomington, but now probably is going to be playing more of a complementary role as maybe selling it light. But there are times where he is going to defer a lot on the floor, I think, when he's out there to other players. How do you think he's adjusted to that kind of newer role, if you will, as they have built the roster that's around him?
02:08:00
Speaker 7: Well, in my honest opinion of Sam Alexis, he's an unselfish guy, number one. He is not afraid to dish the ball off. He doesn't score a lot from outside. He's not looking to do that. He, to me, is one of those guys that does his job. He's supposed to go out there and rebound. He's supposed to be athletic and block shots. He did that yesterday as well. I think he had four blocks in the ballgame. I mean, that's pretty impressive for a 6'9 guy that is not supposedly to be a true post-type player. You know what I mean? I mean, that's what he is. He's a post player. That's his strength. But at the same time, he's an undersized post. Against these seven-footers and the people that you go up against in the Big Ten, sometimes he was at a disadvantage. But he doesn't try to overplay, if you.
02:08:54
Speaker 6: Know what I'm saying.
02:08:55
Speaker 7: He's one of those guys that literally does his job. He knows what his job is, and he's really good at it. And from that standpoint alone, I think he's going to be a huge factor for this Indiana ball club.
02:09:07
Speaker 2: You know, Eddie, it's like the two of us. We play within our limitations, but we have very clear limitations.
02:09:12
Speaker 6: Oh, that's right.
02:09:13
Speaker 2: That much we know.
02:09:14
Speaker 1: Again, Indiana and Eastern Illinois, a week from tonight from the basketball standpoint, 7 o'clock at the Assembly Hall, and it is Indiana and Minnesota coming up from the football side. 3.30 on Saturday pregame at 2.30 on this radio station. Don Fisher will be on the call for both. Don, appreciate it as always.
02:09:32
Speaker 7: Jake, thanks for having me.
02:09:33
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
02:09:34
Speaker 7: Just a note, we do have a broadcast tonight, Inside IU Basketball with Darren DeVries, our first talk show with the coach. So we'll have an opportunity to hear what he thinks about his exhibition team at this point.
02:09:44
Speaker 1: Okay, Inside IU Basketball, Darren DeVries, that is tonight. Eddie, what time will that air on this radio station?
02:09:50
Speaker 6: I'm not sure just yet.
02:09:51
Speaker 2: Okay, we will check on it.
02:09:54
Speaker 5: 7.05, boys.
02:09:54
Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Don, appreciate it as always. Thanks, guys. 7.05 tonight inside IU Basketball with Darren DeVries.
02:10:01
Speaker 6: We got Pacers pregame at 7.30, so that's why I was not sure. If we would air the first 25 minutes of that or take delay and play it later after in full.
02:10:10
Speaker 2: Pacers in action tonight.
02:10:11
Speaker 1: We did not talk a whole lot about what happened last night in Brooklyn, but Tyrese Alderburton says he's going to give it a go, right?
02:10:18
Speaker 6: Segababa tonight, yes.
02:10:19
Speaker 2: That's the second game of back-to-back, but nobody says that.
02:10:22
Speaker 6: Just like nobody says Brooklyn.
02:10:25
Speaker 2: Segababa. The Brooklyn thing is taking off. It's kind of like QR.
02:10:28
Speaker 6: Oh, no.
02:10:29
Speaker 5: Trust me. No.
02:10:30
Speaker 2: Trust me on this.
02:10:32
Speaker 1: I told you, I took a tour of New York City with my parents in 1994, and the guy, like, I don't know if it was like a Letterman bit, but he kept referring to Brooklyn as Brooklean on the tour, and he just kept repeatedly saying it, I think waiting for someone to ask why he kept saying Brooklean. On the right is Brooklean, and then you go back, on the left is Brooklean. He just kept saying it that way, and it's become a thing.
02:10:53
Speaker 2: For my parents and I. So my parents and I say it, Eddie, so how about that?
02:10:56
Speaker 1: 7.05 tonight inside IU Basketball with Darren DeVries.
02:11:00
Speaker 8: All right.
02:11:01
Speaker 2: JMB is, I believe, on remote Twin Peaks today.
02:11:04
Speaker 1: We will find out what he's got warming up as part of his big program as we cool things down here. The crossover brought to you by the good guys at Love Heating and Air is next. So, Eddie, I'm supposed to golf today, playing nine holes with my buddy Jeff Hester.
02:11:19
Speaker 10: How many.
02:11:21
Speaker 2: How many rounds do you think I have left here in this season?
02:11:24
Speaker 6: That's a great question. This weather is just fantastic.
02:11:26
Speaker 8: It is.
02:11:27
Speaker 2: I mean, but doesn't it feel like reality is just going to kick in at some point?
02:11:33
Speaker 6: I don't know. Take advantage of it while you can, Jake.
02:11:36
Speaker 1: Just got my registration for the drumstick dash as well. Hopefully the weather is warm for that because I do love the drumstick dash on Thanksgiving through broader pull to help out the great folks at Wheeler mission and move in our feet. So others can eat as we always say, but my, One concern about that is if it's too cold, but we shall see. I'll tell you what is cold, the beer at Twin Peaks. That much I know. It is always literally like ice cold. JMV will be there, I believe, later today for his program on remote.
02:12:08
Speaker 2: John, that's right.
02:12:10
Speaker 12: You're breaking news here.
02:12:11
Speaker 8: Am I?
02:12:12
Speaker 12: Wait a.
02:12:15
Speaker 5: Minute.
02:12:16
Speaker 12: I'm not there. I could be there.
02:12:18
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the board here. Am I wrong, Eddie, at what I'm looking at here on the left where it says remotes, JMV, Twin Peaks, Monday, Castleton?
02:12:24
Speaker 8: Yep.
02:12:26
Speaker 2: I'm wrong or I'm right.
02:12:27
Speaker 6: That's what I've got.
02:12:29
Speaker 8: Okay.
02:12:32
Speaker 12: I guess I'll be there.
02:12:33
Speaker 2: John, are you on the parking lot right now?
02:12:36
Speaker 12: Well, I pulled over to do your show.
02:12:39
Speaker 3: Honestly, this is good that this happened. So, yeah, because I'm glad to go, happy to go.
02:12:48
Speaker 1: And do you happen to have the Gandalf Financial Breaking News Sounder by chance? This just in, it appears as though John's going to be on remote at Twin Peaks later today.
02:13:00
Speaker 12: I am very excited about it. Hell, I got to go change my shirt. Now I got to go back home.
02:13:04
Speaker 2: That's right. What is on the big program today, John? Obviously.
02:13:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, me, I guess me at Twin Peaks with the lovelies and drinking some ice cold beer and eating scratch food and talking about yesterday's debacle and where they go from here and fielding calls, wanting to see. I'm actually a worse quarterback than the one that's been in the game for them as the starter.
02:13:24
Speaker 12: So, yeah, all those questions.
02:13:26
Speaker 3: Are you football pacers tonight?
02:13:28
Speaker 12: So I'm saying, hey, by the way, Jake, I'm going to see your guy tomorrow, too.
02:13:31
Speaker 2: I heard about that.
02:13:32
Speaker 4: Yep.
02:13:33
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, man, the best, right?
02:13:35
Speaker 3: They are. I think they're a little flabbergasted. I hadn't seen a doctor in the better part of 15 years.
02:13:43
Speaker 2: Okay, well, you know what?
02:13:45
Speaker 1: You'll go through the car wash and get the complete once-over, John. Don't be nervous about that. Where do you lie on Richardson slash Jones?
02:13:57
Speaker 2: What's your thought?
02:14:00
Speaker 3: There's a reason why Richardson doesn't play because he hasn't been good and because the coach doesn't trust him. The coach is still coaching for his job right now. And I doubt if he's going to put it. And, you know, listen, we can all say what we want about weed legalizing or not or whatever in Marion County, whatever in Hamilton County. But he got busted for weed. And I doubt if there's, you know, a head coach out there that's going to put. what he believes to be his future this season in the hands of somebody like that and go away from, from his daughter. So I listen, would I like to see Richardson for the entertainment value? I guess, but is it going to do anything for anybody, anything at all for this team? No, nothing whatsoever.
02:14:39
Speaker 12: It will do.
02:14:39
Speaker 1: So John Carly, or say Gordon calls you and says, Hey, we're going to trade everybody. And you get to pick the one player we have to hold on to.
02:14:48
Speaker 2: Who do you hold on to?
02:14:50
Speaker 3: The one player that they have to hold on to? It'd have to be Alec Pierce, I guess, right? Even though he's injured?
02:14:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess.
02:14:58
Speaker 3: Are you talking about guys that are– I like Josh Downs a great deal.
02:15:02
Speaker 2: I do, too.
02:15:02
Speaker 12: I don't think he gets– Tyler Warren? One of those three, I would imagine, right?
02:15:06
Speaker 1: I think Warren, maybe just based on the age, right? You know what I mean? The age and the contract, you'd want to see. Although, I feel like maybe– In the open space, you'd still like to see more out of him, but we shall see.
02:15:18
Speaker 12: Hey, Jake, by the way, are we sure I'm going to Twin Peaks? Are we positive? Is this confirmation?
02:15:24
Speaker 2: I'm just going off what Eddie tells me. Yes.
02:15:26
Speaker 8: Cool.
02:15:28
Speaker 3: You know, I should have made that appointment with Mottman today, and then I could have just buzzed around.
02:15:32
Speaker 12: What am I doing?
02:15:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. You'd be five minutes away, man.
02:15:35
Speaker 12: Five minutes away. Crud.
02:15:38
Speaker 3: Bad.
02:15:38
Speaker 2: Bad host.
02:15:38
Speaker 11: Darn it.
02:15:42
Speaker 2: Well, nonetheless. All right, John, we'll be listening. Wherever it is that you are, we'll be listening later. How's that?
02:15:47
Speaker 12: Wherever it is, Jake, I'll be there.
02:15:50
Speaker 2: I'll let you know. About 2.45, I'll check in and make sure you're in the right spot. All right, there we go. JMV getting his itinerary here live on the air. Got to love how we do that, right? It seems as though there's a lot of moving parts in terms of the programming of this station today.
02:16:06
Speaker 8: Right? Yeah.
02:16:08
Speaker 2: Is that a fair way of saying it?
02:16:09
Speaker 8: Yeah.
02:16:10
Speaker 6: Inside IU basketball with Darren DeVries will air after the completion of the Pacers game. So somewhere around 1130.
02:16:15
Speaker 2: Gotcha. Okay.
02:16:17
Speaker 1: So around 1130 is when that will air. Pacers in action tonight. We will discuss that there in Milwaukee, taking on Miles Turner and the rest of a bunch of guys you've never heard of for the Bucs. So we'll do it tomorrow at 10. We'll do it until 1. And I thank you, as always, for listening to Aquarian Company.
Speaker 1: Feels like I've said this for the last couple of weeks, to be honest, in terms of a crossroads for the Colts or a crossroad for the Colts. And admittedly, at some point, we're going to have to say, okay, the fork has been taken. But I do feel like still, and I'm not trying to be I don't mean this in this overwhelmingly optimistic, cheerleading.
00:00:27
Speaker 2: Kind of way. Because I think we all know the reality. But it feels like, psychologically speaking, there is still one more week of, okay, let's give this a go here and see what happens.
00:00:41
Speaker 1: And then after that, if it doesn't go the Colts' way, then you start to really get into the realities of hard conversations. But, Let me begin with this. Last night, I thought a lot about the game and the Pacers as well, because I listened to the entire Pacers game.
00:01:04
Speaker 2: More on that in a moment. But clearly, on a.
00:01:08
Speaker 1: Monday in October, the NFL is the alpha here, right? It is the 800-pound gorilla. And For this market, even though, and this fan base, even though I realize and I understand there is the thought of, I'm just over this team.
00:01:28
Speaker 2: I'm done with it. I get that. I hear all of that.
00:01:31
Speaker 1: But it is still, I think people are still looking, thinking, okay, now maybe the storyline becomes, how.
00:01:39
Speaker 2: Do you approach this?
00:01:40
Speaker 1: And do you already take the fork in the road, or are you still kind of working your way through it? So I was thinking about all of this last night as I was driving home from Three Oaks, Michigan. You just heard me mention this with the morning show, guys. I watched the Colts game yesterday.
00:01:58
Speaker 3: And.
00:02:02
Speaker 1: I'm seeing Daniel Jones, and I understand. Shane Steichen saying afterwards that the primary focus here is in Running the football. The game plan was to run the ball, establish the run.
00:02:16
Speaker 2: I get it.
00:02:19
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, 13 of 22 for 103 yards, and then the interception in the end that felt very predictable.
00:02:27
Speaker 2: It did. It felt very predictable.
00:02:29
Speaker 1: And you can very easily draw the conclusion that Daniel Jones strictly is not healthy. And sure, he's healthy. but not healthy enough, if that makes sense. I know it is remarkable, it is commendable that he came back from the injury he came back from at the rate in which he did. But you do have to wonder, just in terms of his overall confidence and psychology of being in the pocket, whether or not he's not limited by a lack of mobility or placement or strength on his throws, whatever it might be, and therefore they're having to dumb things down. But to say all of that, or to assume all of that, would be also to be naive to the fact that the things plaguing him right now are exactly what plagued him in New York and why the Giants in the middle of the year just went, we're done with this, and why he was available. And maybe, in fact, he had, I've had a recurring dream for like 10 years. where I get this open tryout for the Pacers, or I don't know if it's the Pacers, but like a professional basketball team. And I know I have no business being there, but for whatever reason in the tryouts, like I just keep hitting shots, like mid-range shots. I just keep hitting them. And all of a sudden I'm like, oh my gosh, like they're going to keep, I'm on this team. I know I don't belong here, but like I just, Nobody has done a deep enough dive to realize this is not who I really am. I'm taking advantage of four days of hot practices. And it feels like Daniel Jones, perhaps last year for the Colts, was living that dream where he's like, oh my gosh, nobody's figured out that eventually I'm going to start turning the ball over. But that's where they are. And then you have this situation with Anthony Richardson and Shane Steichen seemingly refusing to hand the keys over there.
00:04:36
Speaker 2: And I was thinking about all of this.
00:04:37
Speaker 1: I watched the game, and then I drove to Michigan because I went to go see the Bodines in concert. Now, none of you really care about the fact that I went to go see the Bodines in concert, except for that it gave me two hours and 37 minutes in the car to just sit there and contemplate and go over what I saw with the Colts game. And Eddie was kind enough to send me the audio of all the press conference clippings. if you will, or sound bites. And so I was listening to those and just navigating through, waiting for some nugget that was going to come out where I'm like, oh my gosh, I can't believe they said that. And I was like, this feels kind of par for the course. But the Bodine's have their signature song, which was great.
00:05:20
Speaker 2: It's awesome.
00:05:21
Speaker 1: He came out in the crowd. He's walking around with his guitar. People are high-fiving him while he's singing the song, Good Things. I love Good Things by the Bodine's. There's a live version of it from their live album in like 94 when I was in college, and I loved that version of it.
00:05:35
Speaker 2: And so I have gone to see them each year when they are close.
00:05:39
Speaker 1: I go see them. I think they're a great live. I love his voice. I love their performance. And they're consistent. They sound the same as they did 30 years ago. And maybe I was just in thirst of something consistent. Maybe that's why I went. Kevin's like, I can't believe you drove it by yourself. I'm like, nobody wanted to go, but I really wanted to see them because maybe I'm thirsting for consistency. I didn't see it out of the Pacers on Friday. I didn't see it out of the Colts on Sunday. So I needed to see it.
00:06:05
Speaker 2: But as I'm.
00:06:05
Speaker 1: Driving back, I'm listening in my head again, as you often do after concerts, to the lyrics. And I'm hearing him sing it over and over my head. See, I can see good things for you and I. Don't pass me over. Don't pass me by. See, I can see good things for you and I. And as I'm thinking about Anthony Richardson with the Colts, I'm thinking, I wonder if he's standing on the sidelines to Shane Steichen saying, don't pass me over and don't pass me by. As you're sitting there pacing the sidelines, wondering how you can avoid another Daniel Jones key interception, please, I'm sitting right here, don't pass me over and don't pass me by. Because see, I can see good things for you and I. Now, I think Anthony Richardson knows that He doesn't necessarily see in the future good things for he and Shane Steichen, not because there's some bitter divorce between them, but rather simply because the Colts have again misplayed this. And it is crazy to think that when talking about Anthony Richardson and the possibility of a contract extension that they had the chance to do, that by not picking it up, that they misplayed it. Because all of us, myself included, were jumping up and down saying, it's over. A year ago when they selected Daniel Jones, it was over. There was no reason.
00:07:38
Speaker 2: To extend Anthony Richardson by the deadline. And they did not.
00:07:46
Speaker 1: But once again, it's almost because it's not good things that they should have seen for themselves and their quarterback Daniel Jones or Anthony Richardson. but just simply seeing in general. Because for the last year to year and a half, seemingly each decision they have had to make regarding a player or the future or contracts, they have made the wrong one. Some of which were the popular one and admittedly ones that probably at the time I was saying, yeah, they made the right call there. But maybe not even maliciously at the fault of their own naivete, In reality, each decision the Colts have made for the last year and a half has been the one that when you retroactively look back on it, you're like, yeah, that was not the right one. Determining who the best pass rusher was in the draft and taking him and laughing defiantly to people about it with Liatulatu probably was the wrong call.
00:08:43
Speaker 2: Tyler Warren was probably the right call.
00:08:45
Speaker 1: Making a trade of two first-round draft picks and a wide receiver. For Sauce Gardner, was the wrong call. And when it comes to Anthony Richardson, even though in the moment it was the right thing to call probably, you are in a position now where what good does it do you? I realize that everybody in town is like, you have to start Anthony Richardson. And believe you me, there is no more popular person in a city than the backup quarterback. sparing like five NFL cities. It's always been that way. It's always been the narrative. The most popular guy is the backup quarterback because that's always the unsolved answer. Except for that with Richardson, it's somewhat solved. We've seen enough of it at this point. Now, he's over 500 as a starter. Granted, or at 500, I think, as a starter. But nonetheless, Kevin, I heard him say it, and I don't disagree with him. if the reason that you don't have Anthony Richardson out there is because you don't trust him to take care of the football, are we looking at the alternative? I mean, honestly, the touchdown. to interception ratio for Daniel Jones is abysmal. He should open up a, literally, he should open up, remember that, was it called Gallery? Galleria, whatever it was, the breakfast pastry place that was right down here downtown, and they had another one just out the broader pool, and I think they closed both of them.
00:10:19
Speaker 2: It was really good.
00:10:21
Speaker 1: Anthony, or excuse me, Daniel Jones should just open another one. Daniel Jones turnovers.
00:10:25
Speaker 2: There you go. There's your breakfast. Craig, there's your breakfast, sandwich, croissant, food, whatever you call turnovers. There you go. Daniel Jones, that's what he's known for now. That's what he is. He cannot take care of the football.
00:10:40
Speaker 1: So in that regard, you can't say, well, we're not putting Anthony Richardson out there.
00:10:44
Speaker 2: Because we need to take care of the football. You're not taking care of the football.
00:10:51
Speaker 1: Well, we need, we can't put Anthony Richardson out there because we need more consistent layup passes.
00:10:59
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones is not hitting the layups.
00:11:03
Speaker 1: We need to make sure Daniel Jones is out there because we've got to read through, you know, all of our reads and checks and he's not going past like his second read. Everything that is the reason Daniel Jones was selected is to be your starting quarterback, has started to just kind of just fairy dust it into the air. Let's call it what it is. Daniel Jones is the starting quarterback. Eddie, last night or yesterday afternoon, Shane Steichen was asked, about whether or not he has contemplated a quarterbacking change.
00:11:47
Speaker 4: No, I have not thought about a quarterback change because I got a ton of faith in Daniel. The game plan today was to go in and run the football, and obviously at the end he had the interception, and that happens in football.
00:11:56
Speaker 2: That happens. You got beat. That happens.
00:11:59
Speaker 1: You win some games, you lose some games. 85 Bears, they lost in Miami.
00:12:03
Speaker 2: That happens.
00:12:05
Speaker 5: No.
00:12:07
Speaker 1: What that means right there, what he's actually saying, And I didn't dust off the elixir yet, but what he's actually saying is this. What he's actually saying is, I have not contemplated a change in quarterback because I don't have any belief in Anthony Richardson.
00:12:27
Speaker 2: That's what he's saying.
00:12:28
Speaker 1: Shane Steichen has made no bones about the fact through his actions or lack thereof that he has no belief in Anthony Richardson. And I don't know whether it is something as simple and understandable as, The eye, even though Richardson played well for the most part in the preseason, whether or not there is still some doubt about his overall vision in a play-by-play, long-term, over-the-course-of-a-game, see-down-field aspect, I don't know. I think, I don't know if it's the helmet tap and he just keeps going back to it. I don't know if it's the inability to expand the your playbook and audibilize to the depth that you would like because Richardson is not symbiotically on the same wavelength as you and doesn't have just that finish one another's sentences type thing. I think it's entirely possible it's this. And I want to be very clear. What I'm about to say in no way, shape or form Is me indicting Anthony Richardson, condemning Anthony Richardson?
00:13:46
Speaker 2: None of those things.
00:13:48
Speaker 1: The things that, like if you're going to clip this audio and play it before you think that I'm coming down on Anthony Richardson for something, please play this disclaimer ahead of time. The things I'm about to mention are not things necessarily that individually you would look at and say are reasons to condemn any person. They're mistakes that young people make. But if Shane Steichen internally has reprimanded or spoken to or addressed to Anthony Richardson, either subtly or directly, about not putting in all of the time as a rookie within film rooms, about not completely understanding everything that goes into the leadership position of being an NFL starting quarterback, about tapping the helmet and saying, I took myself out of the game on a drive because I was tired. Not that that's an egregious thing, but it is one that certainly shows an immaturity of understanding of what the rest of the huddle is expecting out of you as the starter. Or, most recently, The relatively innocuous from a societal standpoint case of getting pulled over with an expired license tag and then finding out that he had the wrong plate on the car and admitting to the fact that he had trace marijuana and THC gummies in the car and then getting cited for that in a misdemeanor charge. All of those individually are relatively small things. But they all add up to something that I just truly believe. At this point, Shane Steichen continues to say that he has faith in Daniel Jones primarily because he knows what little grasp he has left on that locker.
00:15:50
Speaker 2: Room goes away immediately.
00:15:52
Speaker 1: If he then suddenly makes a change that implies that he verbalizes that he holds players to accountability, but then has to go back to them when his back's against the wall, and thus there's no accountability that's being held. I think it comes down to that more than anything else. Do I think that Anthony Richardson gives them a better chance to win football games right now?
00:16:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably.
00:16:16
Speaker 1: And certainly, it's not any worse. But when you have, not through direct wording, but through lack of action otherwise, when you have insinuated that you don't trust that player because of a multitude, and again, Anthony Richardson, and I'm going to use a driving infraction analogy here, maybe bad considering the ticket he just got, but Anthony Richardson at this point is not being prohibited from driving the car because he had some sort of a disastrous 105 mile an hour speeding ticket. But he's got like three different ones going eight miles over the speed limit. And eventually Shane Steichen's like, enough, you have too many points on your record. I think that's what it comes down to more.
00:17:04
Speaker 2: Than anything else.
00:17:06
Speaker 1: But in addition to that, and Eddie, you and I talked about this before the show began. There also is the question of, sure, you can hand the keys over to Anthony Richardson now and see what's there, but because they didn't necessarily or they pushed the wrong button earlier, even though it was the right button in the time, what good is there now? What good things are there to see between AR and the Colts at this point when he's a free agent at the end of the year and almost assuredly is going to opt out of here?
00:17:38
Speaker 6: What is there to gain is the question.
00:17:39
Speaker 7: Right.
00:17:40
Speaker 6: What is there to gain? I don't think he gives you that much, if any, better chance to win a football game. The only thing that's different between the two is that Richardson's more mobile. That's literally the only thing. It's not going to change the fact that the wide receivers are not getting open. It's not going to change the fact that the defense did show up yesterday for the first time this season, but in the other six weeks, the defense has not shown up. The defense can't sack the other team's quarterback. The defense cannot generate turnovers. Your offense can't generate explosives. Adebare, I will say, nice find, starting to play a little bit. Contract here for him, proving his worth. Richardson's not the future. Richardson is not going to resign with the Indianapolis Colts, no matter what the case is. No team is going to be trading for Anthony Richardson. Anthony Richardson has displayed issues with blitz pickup already that ultimately lost him the starting job last year. And that's why Riley Leonard was the backup prior to Anthony Richardson having the eye injury. All that to say that, Is it really worth the conversation? And you wonder why Shane Steichen isn't entertaining it when you lay all of that out, factoring in everything else that you mentioned, off the field.
00:19:04
Speaker 1: Eddie, they've played roughly, what, 45% of their schedule? I don't know what 7 of 17 is. I'm guesstimating it's somewhere around there.
00:19:14
Speaker 2: But the.
00:19:18
Speaker 1: They aren't here yet. This is the real, when I say they're at a fork in the road, they are. And the Jacksonville game is a huge part of this fork in the road. Because even though mathematically it's going to be a while before they would be eliminated from the postseason, at two and five, they do still have Jacksonville twice.
00:19:43
Speaker 2: And so if you were to.
00:19:45
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is going to happen, If you were to beat Jackson twice, suddenly you put yourself back within breadth of the division. Now, I think at this point you could say a wild card. Oddly enough, their ticket is to win the division probably and not a wild card. And so if you lose one more, then you are basically at that point, you can say, okay, both doors are, are There's barely any light coming through here, and both doors are essentially closed. But until that point, you probably have to still do what is best for your now as opposed to for your future. I'm talking about strictly mathematically. You owe it to your roster and whatever else to find out your now. But we all know what that reality is. We know how that movie is going to play out. And we and the fans and all of the people that peripherally watch the NFL, whatever, we can all sit here and say their best course of action is to start building for the future and start it now. But inside the building, there is still going to be some line of thought of, okay, but we have to play for what is still with impossible grasp. And that sounds absurd, but you can bet that there is that line of thinking. That's that fork in the road. We, the fans and media, have already, I think, taken that fork. But I think that's where they are. Now, It's not just Richardson. There are other players as well. Yesterday, and I cannot be the only one that thought this. Eddie, I want you to tell me. By the way, how was Friday for the Big Head Federation?
00:21:37
Speaker 6: Oh, it was fantastic.
00:21:38
Speaker 2: Was it Chicago? Is that where they were?
00:21:39
Speaker 6: Yes, we were in Chicago. It's like a think tank deal, right? What'd you say?
00:21:43
Speaker 2: Just a think tank deal, the Big Head Federation?
00:21:45
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah.
00:21:46
Speaker 6: Think tank, yeah.
00:21:47
Speaker 2: Like meetings and talking about upcoming events and things like that?
00:21:51
Speaker 6: Comparing head sizes, oh yeah, the whole nine.
00:21:53
Speaker 1: Did they have the awards again this year? I remember last year, I think you told me, it was Ali from Omaha that won, right? He's got a nine and seven eights.
00:22:02
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right.
00:22:03
Speaker 2: Was he there?
00:22:05
Speaker 6: No, Jake, no awards. Those are every five years.
00:22:07
Speaker 2: Gotcha, okay. Oh, that's good. So you still have a chance.
00:22:11
Speaker 6: That's right.
00:22:12
Speaker 2: Four years from now.
00:22:12
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, right?
00:22:13
Speaker 1: I just hope I keep getting the invitation. Call Barry Bonds. You might have yourself a chance. Okay, so, but here's the thing. And now I can't remember where I was going with that. Oh, you were saying, and I'm in agreement with you on this, about Richardson, and you just wonder what can be had. But we also were having the discussion. Am I out of my mind? I'm not saying that it's a legitimate thought, but was I the only one that had this thought?
00:22:43
Speaker 2: The more they were.
00:22:44
Speaker 1: Running Seth McGowan yesterday, and I do like the way he runs, but the more they were going with him, Am I the only one that thought to myself, are they starting to put bubble wrap on Jonathan Taylor so they can get something out of him?
00:22:58
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a good thought.
00:22:59
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, there were key situations yesterday where he was not on the field. And so I did wonder, when you have a fourth and two, And I get it. You have a guy that has been absolute money as a kicker that had never missed an indoor kick.
00:23:23
Speaker 2: I get it. But when you have a fourth and.
00:23:25
Speaker 1: Two and you literally have, what, $ 60 million tied up between your left guard and your running back, and you go for the field goal there, it makes you wonder if, in fact, that's where they're going there psychologically. And I don't know at this point, there's not a player on the roster. maybe Tyler Warren because of his youth. There's not a player on the roster that seems off-limits. And there are those, certainly, I think that would still fetch something that you owe it to them as a legit franchise to do them the favor of moving them on, like DeForest Buckner. DeForest Buckner, we've talked about it before, I think merits and deserves the opportunity to be able to play for a contender. But there are a million different ways it can go, and there are literally, you know, it's not a spaghetti bowl just yet, per se, in terms of the forks in the road. And I think we all know which way it's eventually going to go. But I just think that there is a different approach between What we all know is going to happen and what at this point they have to operate under the assumption may not be the case just yet. And that's the dichotomy of where they are. A ton to get to today. Mike Chappell going to join us on the program. Don Fisher, Indiana survives one in Michigan. Really good game, actually. And I thought Indiana was really put to the test to show a little bit of metal. And as the game was going on, I did begin to wonder if that wasn't one. I really did think after they lost to Ohio State, I'm like, they're fine because they're going to get in the college football playoff. I don't know if they would have, if they would have dropped that game on Saturday, but they found a way to win. That's what great teams do. And at the very least, they're a very good team. And there's a lot of attrition around them as well, so they're in a good situation and spot there.
00:25:35
Speaker 2: Pacers game on Friday was a total disaster. Last night was better.
00:25:41
Speaker 1: We will discuss that as well, but Don's going to join us at 1230. When we come back, I want your thoughts. I want to do a quick poll. I know that the guys did it this morning, but are you still holding out hope? Are you still looking at it and clinging to the possibility with those two against Jacksonville? Do you need to see, do you need one more game before you determine which way this goes and whether you blow it up or whether you just go ahead and start now? Because I know what the sentiment is, but what is the strategic right approach? 239-1070, both text and phone lines when we come back. It's Quering Company here, 93.51075, The Fan. Several good texts along the text line here. Hey, Jake, you should blow this thing up. Jonathan Taylor deserves to play on a contending team. Now, somebody else pointed out to me, they said, I thought the same thing as you in the second half, meaning.
00:26:46
Speaker 1: Was there some thought to the fact when Jonathan Taylor was not in there on some plays of like, are they trying to, like I said, bubble wrap him, preserve him to make sure that he has trade value?
00:26:57
Speaker 6: I also think, Jake, if you just look at the yards per carry attempts, like Taylor had the one big run for 38. But, you know, I always like to look at, you know, if you eliminate the longest run, what does that really say about how your day was going? Taylor was averaging 3.3 yards per carry. And the other 17.
00:27:13
Speaker 2: And look at Taylor a year ago.
00:27:15
Speaker 1: And McGowan was 4.2 per carry. Jonathan Taylor is a special player. There's no doubt about it. But Jonathan Taylor last year was a completely different back when Daniel Jones was playing at a high level. Once Daniel Jones went out, Jonathan Taylor's numbers dipped significantly. That's not a knock on him, but he's very reliant on that balance. Now, I've seen a lot of people, with the Sauce Gardner deal, I've seen a ton of people saying, Jonathan Taylor or Buckner, they need to trade one of these guys to get a first-round pick back. Look, first-round picks don't come that easily, especially when you don't have Chris Ballard on the other end of the phone. And look at Marshall Falk. And there's news with Marshall Falk, obviously, I meant to get to on Friday. But Marshall Falk was in his prime and was a future Hall of Fame, future Super Bowl MVP back in his prime when the Colts traded him and they got a second and a fifth. Now, that was a different era, admittedly. And I do think that there's this rebirth of interest in running backs and what they can do for you.
00:28:40
Speaker 2: Look at Seattle last year, helping out Sam Darnold. This was four years ago, Jake. Christian McCaffrey was a whole year younger than Jonathan Taylor. McCaffrey was 27. At the time, he got dealt from Carolina to San Francisco, Taylor, 28 right now.
00:28:56
Speaker 6: The Panthers received a second-round pick, a third-round pick, and a fourth-round pick in 23, so the upcoming draft class, and then a fifth-round pick in 2024.
00:29:04
Speaker 1: And they parlayed those into getting back into the first round.
00:29:08
Speaker 6: Trading up to get Bryce Young, yes.
00:29:11
Speaker 1: But either way, yes. I mean, if Christian McCaffrey... So the thought of Jonathan Taylor's a number one pick out there just waiting to be had by somebody isn't necessarily true.
00:29:21
Speaker 6: And Taylor doesn't have quite the same level of skill set that McCaffrey does in the passing game. So is his running ability that much to net just a singular? First-round picker, would you rather, if you're Ed Dodds, try to give the next GM more picks to work?
00:29:40
Speaker 8: With?
00:29:40
Speaker 6: Like, do you do something similar to that? A second, third and a fourth, a second and a fourth. I don't know.
00:29:48
Speaker 2: Hey Jake, I'm somewhere in the Caribbean.
00:29:49
Speaker 1: I'm glad I'm on a cruise and waking up to a beautiful ocean waves instead of the crap I saw yesterday.
00:29:54
Speaker 2: Fire. Everyone go Pacers. All right, Colleen. How about Colleen with that? Colleen coming strong.
00:30:00
Speaker 8: I know.
00:30:01
Speaker 1: 239-1070, the telephone number. Jeff joins us on the program. Jeff, how are you?
00:30:08
Speaker 2: Do we have Jeff, Eddie?
00:30:10
Speaker 9: This is Jim.
00:30:11
Speaker 2: Jim. Sorry about that, Jim. What's up?
00:30:15
Speaker 9: Oh, that's all right. Hey, I was just agreeing with what you were saying about Jones. He's a 60% pass completion. Out of that 60%, 20% to 30% are either over the receiver's head or behind the receiver, which slows him down, makes the receiver look bad. And then also, when Jones is slow, then the defense quits focusing on him, and they focus on the running back.
00:30:43
Speaker 7: And our.
00:30:44
Speaker 9: Our offense is pretty vanilla. If I was a coach, I would put– to me, Richardson is not a quarterback. He's built like Henry, runs like Henry, but he's got an arm. He's running back to control.
00:31:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that– or Jim, excuse me.
00:31:04
Speaker 1: I think that the interesting thing, Jim, is Richardson– The one strength that Richardson has in terms of, and I agree with you, if you put Richardson out there, then you got to use his legs. Problem there, seemingly, made a glass in the past. But his arm strength is such that it's intriguing, but you don't have anybody that can get deep enough to take advantage of, I mean, what.
00:31:30
Speaker 2: You have right now for the Colts, what the Colts have right now.
00:31:36
Speaker 1: Is a quarterback, who can become kind of a system rhythm quarterback, but yet he doesn't necessarily have the legs either to plant or to roll out to allow a play to develop and get in those rhythm passes in the intermediary. Or you go with a guy that can run and extend plays, except that his body hasn't held up well with that and can throw it 50 yards up his back foot, and no one to get back there.
00:32:12
Speaker 2: They have no deep ball receivers.
00:32:15
Speaker 1: Alec Pierce was their only one, and Alec Pierce is one that we hardly even mention him anymore because it's literally like out of sight, out of mind. I mean, that should become the bigger question. When are we ever seeing Alec Pierce again? It almost feels.
00:32:35
Speaker 1: At this point, repetitive or redundant or piling on to bring up question marks that are somewhat the responsibility of Chris Ballard because Chris Ballard is not here anymore. So it feels like low-hanging fruit. But the Alec Pierce, and I understand why you had to sign him. I totally get it. But the money they gave him and guaranteed to him, knowing that he had to have that surgery, And I think we can safely say at this point that the surgery clearly didn't take. You know, it just, for whatever reason, we're right back to square one, and who knows where things are with that. And that's, I'm not trying to be, you know, panicky Pete here, but we have not heard a word on that. And I don't know that he's been seen outside the boot. If he has, then I don't know about yesterday. I don't think he was there yesterday. Were there shots of him on the sidelines? Alec Pierce? I mean, we completely forget about Alec Pierce, right?
00:33:37
Speaker 6: I don't know. I mean, he was not on the sideline at Lucas Oil last week. He was in the press box.
00:33:42
Speaker 1: This from Dan. Clean the house, all capital letters. Only people I'd like to keep are Jonathan Taylor and Warren. Did you see Buckner postgame? That's a guy that wants out right there.
00:33:52
Speaker 2: No question.
00:33:53
Speaker 1: And I'll give DeForest Buckner all the credit in the world. He has not been, you know, he's been a, like I said, a good teammate in that regard.
00:34:02
Speaker 6: Let me ask you this, Jake. What's different about this Colts group around Daniel Jones right now to what he was dealing with and playing around with Minnesota?
00:34:13
Speaker 2: Or not Minnesota, New York. Well, he was in Minnesota too, but.
00:34:19
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, I'd have to go back and look and see what they had in New York.
00:34:22
Speaker 6: Because like, if you remember, if you remember when he signed with the Colts, you're like, Oh look, you know, we've got Colts have Josh Downs, they might quit the junior. They have Jonathan Taylor. They have a solid old line. And during the days of him being with the giants, it was Saquon Barkley. And then, uh, nothing. And right now it is literally this New York giants, Daniel Jones, all over again, Jonathan Taylor, Saquon Barkley, uh, Wanda Robinson is Josh Downs. Your offensive line is slightly better, but you've got nothing to work with. That's not the type of quarterback he is.
00:34:57
Speaker 2: This from John.
00:34:58
Speaker 1: If Daniel Jones was the captain of the Titanic as the ship was sinking, the cruise director is saying, Shane Steichen saying, I still have full confidence in him. Yeah, Daniel Jones doesn't necessarily have the speed to get around the iceberg right now.
00:35:14
Speaker 2: There's no question about that. You know, yesterday when I asked the question.
00:35:22
Speaker 1: Of what would you say to summarize the cold season, it didn't have the anger and the vinegar in the replies that it did a week ago because now we've just come to accept it, right? We've come to accept the mediocrity to a great extent. Hey, Jake, what does Daniel Jones Achilles injury have to do with his decision-making and arm?
00:35:44
Speaker 2: That from Steven. That's a good question, Steven. I really do believe.
00:35:50
Speaker 1: I understand your question, and it's a fair question. I do think that the Achilles does his decision-making, maybe not because there has been precedent, clearly, in the past in New York where those things were of question. I do think that his arm, it's compromised.
00:36:09
Speaker 2: I do.
00:36:10
Speaker 1: Because if you think about When you go out into your backyard and throw the baseball around or throw football, whatever it might be, what do you do? You drop back and then you have to plant. And when you plant or when you move, both legs work alongside one another to stabilize yourself and get your strength going as you vault back to throw the ball. And I know it sounds ridiculous. But when you come off of a major injury like that, even though it's healed, and even though the doctor tells you it's healed, there is another probably three to four month period of time where your body is then conditioned to maintain its normal fluid movement without any subtle or subconscious or subliminal governor on it or limitations. And I know that that sounds ridiculous, but I really do think, I think the mechanics of throwing a football in stride on the move, I think all of those things come into play when you have even the slightest hiccup, kind of like when you have a rental car that has that lane control thing on it. Even when you're driving and you're in a straight line, but all of a sudden it recognizes something and it starts to move, it just For a split second, it blips you, and.
00:37:45
Speaker 2: You're like, whoa.
00:37:48
Speaker 8: Yes.
00:37:48
Speaker 1: And I think the body does that a little bit to him, and it throws off kilter his accuracy and his timing. His judgment and his decision-making, no question.
00:37:59
Speaker 2: Fair point, Steven. Fair point.
00:38:01
Speaker 1: Pacers last night, back on the right side of things. And there's one area to me that is of concern with that. Odd to say about a win, but I'll tell you what it is next. Several good texts along the text line here. Hey, Jake, you should blow this thing up. Jonathan Taylor deserves to play on a contending team. Now, somebody else pointed out to me, they said, I thought the same thing as you in the second half, meaning was there some thought to the fact when Jonathan Taylor was not in there on some plays of like, are they trying to Like I said, bubble wrap him. Preserve him to make sure that he has trade value.
00:38:47
Speaker 6: I also think, Jake, if you just look at the yards per carry attempts, like Taylor had the one big run for 38, but I always like to look at if you eliminate the longest run, what does that really say about how your day was going? Taylor was averaging 3.3 yards per carry in the other 17.
00:39:03
Speaker 2: And look at Taylor a year ago.
00:39:05
Speaker 6: And McGowan was 4.2 per carry.
00:39:08
Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor is a special player. There's no doubt about it.
00:39:14
Speaker 1: But Jonathan Taylor last year was a completely different back when Daniel Jones was playing at a high level. Once Daniel Jones went out, Jonathan Taylor's numbers dipped significantly. That's not a knock on him, but he's very reliant on that balance. Now, I've seen a lot of people, with the Sauce Gardner deal, I've seen a ton of people saying, Jonathan Taylor or Buckner, you know, they need to trade one of these guys to get a first round pick back. Look, first round picks don't come that easily, especially when you don't have Chris Ballard on the other end of the phone.
00:39:57
Speaker 2: And look at Marshall Falk.
00:40:02
Speaker 1: And there's news with Marshall Falk, obviously, I meant to get to on Friday, but Marshall Falk was in his prime. and was a future Hall of Fame, future Super Bowl MVP back in his prime when the Colts traded him, and they got a second and a fifth. Now, that was a different era, admittedly, and I do think that there's this rebirth of interest in running backs and what they can do for you. Look at Seattle last year helping out Sam Darnold.
00:40:34
Speaker 6: This was four years ago, Jake. Christian McCaffrey was a whole year younger than Jonathan Taylor. McCaffrey was 27 years. At the time, he got dealt from Carolina to San Francisco, Taylor, 28 right now. The Panthers received a second-round pick, a third-round pick, and a fourth-round pick in 23, so that upcoming draft class, and then a fifth-round pick in 2024.
00:40:55
Speaker 2: And they parlayed those into getting back into the first round.
00:40:59
Speaker 6: Trading up to get Bryce Young, yes.
00:41:02
Speaker 2: But either way, yes.
00:41:03
Speaker 1: I mean, if Christian McCaffrey, so the thought of like, Jonathan Taylor's a number one pick out there just waiting to be had by somebody isn't necessarily true.
00:41:12
Speaker 6: And Taylor doesn't have quite the same level of, you know, skill set that McCaffrey does in the passing game. So like, is his running ability that much to net a, you know, just a singular first round pick? Or would you rather, if you're Ed Dodds, try to give the next GM more picks to work with? Like, Do you do something similar to that? A second, third, and a fourth?
00:41:35
Speaker 2: A second and a fourth?
00:41:36
Speaker 6: I don't know.
00:41:38
Speaker 2: Hey, Jake, I'm somewhere in the Caribbean.
00:41:40
Speaker 1: I'm glad I'm on a cruise and waking up to beautiful ocean waves instead of the crap I saw yesterday.
00:41:45
Speaker 2: Fire everyone. Go Pacers. All right, Colleen.
00:41:48
Speaker 1: How about Colleen with that? Colleen coming strong. I know.
00:41:52
Speaker 2: 239-1070, the telephone number. Jeff joins us on the program. Jeff, how are you? Do we have Jeff, Eddie?
00:42:01
Speaker 9: This is Jim.
00:42:02
Speaker 7: Jim.
00:42:03
Speaker 2: Sorry about that, Jim. What's up?
00:42:05
Speaker 9: Oh, that's all right. Hey, I was just agreeing with what you were saying about Jones. He's a 60% pass completion. Out of that 60%, 20% to 30% are either over the receiver's head or behind the receiver, which slows him down, makes the receiver look bad. And then also, when Jones is slow... then the defense quits focusing on him and they focus on the running back. And our offense is pretty vanilla. If I was a coach, I would put... To me, Richardson is not a quarterback. He's built like Henry, runs like Henry, but he's got an arm. He's a running back that can throw. Yeah, I think that... Or Jim, excuse me.
00:42:55
Speaker 2: I think that the interesting thing, Jim, is.
00:42:58
Speaker 1: Richardson, the one strength that Richardson has in terms of, and I agree with you, if you put Richardson out there, then you got to use his legs. Problem there, seemingly, made a glass in the past. But his arm strength is such that it's intriguing, but you don't have anybody that can get deep enough to take advantage of, I mean, what you have.
00:43:21
Speaker 2: Right now for the Colts, what the Colts have right now.
00:43:27
Speaker 1: Is, a quarterback who can become kind of a system rhythm quarterback, but yet he doesn't necessarily have the legs either to plant or to roll out to allow a play to develop and get in those rhythm passes in the intermediary. Or you go with a guy that can run and extend plays, except for that his body hasn't held up well with that and can throw it 50 yards up his back foot, and no one to get back there.
00:44:02
Speaker 2: They have no deep ball receivers.
00:44:05
Speaker 1: Alec Pierce was their only one, and Alec Pierce is one that we hardly even mention him anymore because it's literally like out of sight, out of mind. I mean, that should become the bigger question. When are we ever seeing Alec Pierce again? It almost feels.
00:44:25
Speaker 1: At this point, repetitive or redundant or piling on to bring up question marks that are somewhat the responsibility of Chris Ballard because Chris Ballard is not here anymore. So it feels like low-hanging fruit. But the Alec Pierce, and I understand why you had to sign him. I totally get it. But the money they gave him and guaranteed to him, knowing that he had to have that surgery, And I think we can safely say at this point that the surgery clearly didn't take. You know, it just, for whatever reason, we're right back to square one, and who knows where things are with that. And that's, I'm not trying to be, you know, panicky Pete here, but we have not heard a word on that. And I don't know that he's been seen outside the boot. If he has, then I don't know about yesterday. I don't think he was there yesterday. Were there shots of him on the sidelines?
00:45:24
Speaker 2: Alec Pierce? I mean, we completely forget about Alec Pierce, right?
00:45:27
Speaker 10: I don't know.
00:45:28
Speaker 6: I mean, he was not on the sideline at Lucas Oil last week. He was in the press box.
00:45:32
Speaker 1: This from Dan. Clean the house, all capital letters. Only people I'd like to keep are Jonathan Taylor and Warren. Did you see Buckner postgame? That's a guy that wants out right there.
00:45:42
Speaker 2: No question.
00:45:44
Speaker 1: And I'll give DeForest Buckner all the credit in the world. He has not been, you know, he's been a, like I said, a good teammate in that regard.
00:45:53
Speaker 6: Let me ask you this, Jake. What's different about this Colts group around Daniel Jones right now to what he was dealing with and playing around with Minnesota? Or not Minnesota, New York.
00:46:06
Speaker 2: Well, he was in Minnesota too, but....
00:46:09
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, I'd have to go back and look and see what they had in New York.
00:46:12
Speaker 6: Because like, if you remember, if you remember when he signed with the Colts, you're like, Oh, look, you know, we've got Colts have Josh down there. Mike Whitman, Jr. They have Jonathan Taylor. They have a solid old line. And during the days of him being with the giants, it was Saquon Barkley. And then, uh, nothing. And right now it is literally this New York giants, Daniel Jones, all over again, Jonathan Taylor, Saquon Barkley, uh, Wanda Robinson is Josh Downs. Your offensive line is slightly better, but you've got nothing to work with. That's not the type of quarterback he is.
00:46:48
Speaker 2: This from John.
00:46:49
Speaker 1: If Daniel Jones was the captain of the Titanic as the ship was sinking, the cruise director is saying, Shane Steichen saying, I still have full confidence in him. Yeah, Daniel Jones doesn't necessarily have the speed to get around the iceberg right now.
00:47:05
Speaker 2: There's no question about that.
00:47:09
Speaker 1: You know, yesterday when I asked the question of what would you say to summarize the cold season, it didn't have the anger and the vinegar in the replies that it did a week ago because now we've just come to accept it, right? We've come to accept the mediocrity to a great extent. Hey, Jake, what does Daniel Jones' Achilles injury have to do with his decision-making and arm?
00:47:35
Speaker 2: That from Steven. It's a good question, Steven. I really do believe.
00:47:38
Speaker 1: I understand your question, and it's a fair question. I do think that the Achilles does his decision-making, maybe not because there has been precedent, clearly, in the past in New York where those things were of question. I do think that his arm, it's compromised.
00:47:59
Speaker 2: I do.
00:48:00
Speaker 1: Because if you think about When you go out into your backyard and throw the baseball around or throw football, whatever it might be, what do you do? You drop back and then you have to plant. And when you plant or when you move, both legs work alongside one another to stabilize yourself and get your strength going as you vault back to throw the ball. And I know it sounds ridiculous. But when you come off of a major injury like that, even though it's healed, and even though the doctor tells you it's healed, there is another probably three to four month period of time where your body is then conditioned to maintain its normal fluid movement without any subtle or subconscious or subliminal governor on it or limitations. And I know that that sounds ridiculous, but I really do think, I think the mechanics of throwing a football in stride on the move, I think all of those things come into play when you have even the slightest hiccup, kind of like when you have a rental car that has that lane control thing on it. Even when you're driving and you're in a straight line, but all of a sudden it recognizes something and it starts to move. For a split second, it blips you and you're like, whoa. Yes, and I think the body does that a little bit to him, and it throws off kilter his accuracy and his timing. His judgment and his decision-making, no question.
00:49:50
Speaker 2: Fair point, Steven, fair point.
00:49:52
Speaker 1: Pacers last night, back on the right side of things, and there's one area to me that is of concern with that.
00:50:01
Speaker 2: Odd to say about a win, but I'll tell you what it is next. You know, I won't lie to you.
00:50:06
Speaker 1: Every time I hear this song, I think not of the Great Prince, who is obviously one of the most prolific musical entertainers of our lifetime, but I think of the fantastic cover version by my buddies Michael and Jimmy and the rest of the elect.
00:50:25
Speaker 2: They do a fabulous version of Purple Rain. The best.
00:50:29
Speaker 1: I want to get into IU and Michigan in a moment, but some of the thoughts yesterday... on the Colts. First up on the text line, Jake, Daniel Jones is afraid to get hit. He takes a shotgun snap, retreats further, and throws off his back foot 10 times a game. His O-line and blocking scheme combined with the play calling are not doing him any favors.
00:50:51
Speaker 2: I would agree.
00:50:52
Speaker 1: I've noticed that. I went back actually and looked at Peyton Manning film. To be honest, film is the wrong word, but I just pulled up some highlights of Manning because I'm like, man, I don't recall someone out of shotgun going that much further back. And so I had it in my mind that that was a total anomaly because I agree with that point. But Manning did the same thing. Other quarterbacks do do the same thing, but it does feel like it's like, why are you going that much further back? The other thing I've never understood in football, Eddie, I've never, ever, ever in my life understood this.
00:51:33
Speaker 2: When you have, like, fourth and goal from the one, why do you go out of shotgun?
00:51:36
Speaker 6: That's a great question.
00:51:38
Speaker 2: I've never understood that.
00:51:39
Speaker 6: That's a great question.
00:51:40
Speaker 2: Why put yourself that much further back, right?
00:51:43
Speaker 6: Well, I guess you could also make the case, how often do you see somebody get stepped on, especially in those, like, fourth and ones?
00:51:50
Speaker 2: And then trip.
00:51:50
Speaker 6: When it's, like, midfield or, you know, near the goal line like that.
00:51:56
Speaker 2: I like this one. Jake, the Colts have nothing. How about this versus Sink? You ready?
00:52:01
Speaker 9: I'm ready.
00:52:03
Speaker 1: The Colts have no linebackers, and the Colts are going to need to be bad in order for changes to happen. That's what we said at the beginning of the year. Look where sticking with Ballard has brought us. No first-round draft pick, no pass rush, no defense, no receivers. Who on this team, not named Jonathan Taylor, do you game plan for?
00:52:22
Speaker 2: In the bye week, look for an interim head coach.
00:52:24
Speaker 1: Changing quarterbacks now may not change the results, but it tells the players, owners, and fans we won't put up with bad play at any position. I learned at age seven that if a team blitzes, you throw screen passes or very quick passes. That reminds me of when William Hung was on American Idol and Simon Cowell said, look, you can't sing, you can't dance. What do you want me to say to you? That's kind of where we are right now, right? Look, you can't throw the ball. You can't protect the quarterback. You can't make the right reads. You can't make the right decisions. And you can't tackle anybody.
00:52:59
Speaker 6: I text this to Molly for an hour. I think it was last week, maybe. I've just I miss the days of watching like quarterbacks when I was in my early teenage years at the line of scrimmage, dissecting everything, changing things and, you know, getting to the hot route when they know the blitz is coming versus now it's, you know, everyone is sticking with two plays. It's either what's called or we're canning to a run. Yeah, there's not much of, you know, alterations going on at the line of scrimmage. It feels like I would agree with that.
00:53:30
Speaker 1: Hey, Jake, we are cooked for the next three to four years before we're even competitive for a playoff spot.
00:53:37
Speaker 2: I did have someone say to me.
00:53:39
Speaker 1: That they have been a season ticket holder for 16 years, and they not only are not renewing for next year, but they have decided that they are not going back to any games this year.
00:53:54
Speaker 2: End quote. I'm not even mad about it. That's what they said.
00:54:00
Speaker 1: That's the, and I get it. I know that we go back to this circular argument or discussion. I totally understand the frustration of why am I paying this money, especially when you consider the price increases, but at the same time, what have we seen? it can turn around quickly. And if it does, then you get the FOMO, right? The fear of missing out. Like, man, I have my season tickets forever. If you're like me, it's just the ritual of it. I go and I sit and I park in the same spot and I sit in the same spot, you know, and I do it every Sunday when there's home games and even if they lose. But you want to keep going back just in the event that they get things turned around. And that's, and maybe they're banking a little bit on that, right? Maybe they're banking a little bit on that. I want to get to Indiana-Michigan because there was something about that game that I thought was a good thing for Indiana aside from just the win. But before we do so, Jonah joins us. Jonah, what's up?
00:55:04
Speaker 5: Hey, Jake.
00:55:05
Speaker 8: It's been a while.
00:55:06
Speaker 2: I was going to say, man, you doing all right?
00:55:08
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I'm doing well.
00:55:09
Speaker 2: All right, good.
00:55:10
Speaker 8: It's been very busy.
00:55:13
Speaker 1: Well, I would say you and me both, but let's be honest, I'm not that busy, Jonah. Anyway, what's on your mind regarding the Colts?
00:55:20
Speaker 11: Well, you're a radio broadcaster.
00:55:21
Speaker 8: What else is there to do besides talk?
00:55:24
Speaker 2: That's true.
00:55:25
Speaker 8: True.
00:55:27
Speaker 11: I had to get a joke in there every now and then. I was watching the game yesterday in a halftime when we had a 10-6 lead. You know, I thought to myself, the Colts are the author of a thousand ways to lose a game. And I just keep thinking to myself, how are they going to do it this time?
00:55:48
Speaker 9: This team just has.
00:55:49
Speaker 8: No desire to step on the gas pedal, it seems like. And I.
00:55:54
Speaker 11: Think this team is not devoid of talent, per se, but I think it just lacks chemistry. And when I'm watching the game, and when the Vikings blitz and stuff, I don't understand why Shane doesn't shake up the.
00:56:07
Speaker 8: Offensive plays to avoid.
00:56:09
Speaker 11: Because every time the Colts blitz, it seems like there's always that one guy in the flat that's wide open. And I don't ever see any adjustments in the game to make this team better. And I just, at this point, I just, I hope all the coaches are gone at this point.
00:56:25
Speaker 2: Jonah, I appreciate it.
00:56:27
Speaker 1: And that's, I think it does feel like, and I don't know that this would even surprise or shock anybody, but it certainly feels at this point like we are dangerously close now to where, in fact, they say, okay, that's it. everything is starting over. Now, again, to go back to what I mentioned earlier, the one thing that you have to consider, I'm not saying fans would consider this, and I'm not saying media would consider this, but if you are in that locker room, if your job is to coach, play for, scout, whatever, for the Indianapolis Colts in the front office, in the ownership, whatever it may be, you have to balance the immediacy of where are we versus the outlook of where are we going.
00:57:25
Speaker 2: And I think we all know they're not going anywhere. They're in neutral. I think we all know that.
00:57:35
Speaker 1: But you still find yourself, and this is the big one, you have two games remaining against Jacksonville. The wild card is out the window. Unless they go on a heater here, and win 9 of 10, they ain't getting a wild card. And even that would be questionable, 11 and 6 probably. But the division is the route for them if they want to get to the postseason. But to get that, and it's not, the division is not as far off as you think. But they would have to beat Jacksonville twice. They lose in Jacksonville on Sunday, and at that point, you can then kind of officially say they're out, they're done. But I think you have to approach this Sunday still with the game plan and the idea that there is something to play for. Even though I know it, Eddie knows it, I'm not trying to put words in anybody else's mouth. Most of you out there know it. Most of you know it's over. But I think they have one more game of going through the motion as if it's not.
00:58:52
Speaker 2: One more game.
00:58:53
Speaker 1: And then after that, then I think you probably do get into the area of Katie Barthodor. Now, in terms of the bye week and waiting until the bye week to make seismic changes, that may be the case. But their bye is so late this year. I mean, it's the first week in December. By then, you're basically playing it out.
00:59:10
Speaker 2: Anyway, right? You got, what, three games left? Something like that? Three, four games left?
00:59:14
Speaker 1: So, and I don't know. An interesting tidbit would be, I think the overall thought process from a lot of people, league-wide, is that Shane Steichen is a coach that is only as good as what has been handed to him, and that he is somebody that could still find himself in similar position elsewhere, like he'll get another chance. But this seems to be a pretty... Now that Ballard's gone and there's more focus or spotlight on Steichen, and if Jones is limited a little bit, if Steichen truly is a quarterback whisperer or is a guy that can work with anything and pull magic, you know, a rabbit out of the hat, the time is now for him to show that. If he wants to hold his job here or audition for elsewhere, the time is now for him to come up with those things where you go, okay, there's something there. Now, college football over the weekend, obviously no Purdue, no Notre Dame. There really wasn't like an oomph, wow, that's an amazing game aspect to it. A little curious this week, and Don Fisher's going to join us coming up a little over an hour from now. Were you surprised, Eddie, that Indiana-Minnesota is the one to get college game day? Is this going to be, I think it's a 25-point spread, right?
01:00:44
Speaker 6: Based off of Minnesota and how they've played this year, I don't get why it's 19-and-a-half.
01:00:51
Speaker 2: Is it 19-and-a-half? Okay, that has to be, though.
01:00:54
Speaker 1: Okay, 19 and a half. That has to be the biggest point spread for a college game day game.
01:01:05
Speaker 2: One of them, right?
01:01:07
Speaker 6: Yeah, probably.
01:01:09
Speaker 1: It seems peculiar, and I'm all here for it, don't get me wrong. I'm not complaining about the fact that game day is going to Bloomington. But you look at this, you think to yourself, are there no other games that are available? It just doesn't strike you as an overly emphatic, like, wow, big-time aspect game.
01:01:28
Speaker 6: There are only two games this weekend in college football that feature two teams that are ranked head-to-head.
01:01:36
Speaker 2: What are the other ones? Is Minnesota ranked?
01:01:40
Speaker 6: Minnesota is not ranked.
01:01:42
Speaker 2: Okay, because they were at one point, right? Were they like 21 or 22 after they beat Michigan? Maybe.
01:01:49
Speaker 6: They might have been ranked at one point. I'm not 100% certain, but Minnesota, yes. Yeah. No, Minnesota won. I'm sorry. They're coming off a win against Iowa. Okay, that's right. The two ranked matchups this week, number 13, Texas Tech at home against Arizona, and then Florida and Georgia.
01:02:09
Speaker 2: Okay, Florida-Georgia feels pretty big, right?
01:02:11
Speaker 6: Yeah, I will say I was looking at next week. Obviously, there's Miami and Notre Dame. That's the big one. But Georgia travels to Ole Miss and takes on the Rebels in Oxford. So maybe that's potentially where SEC ESPN goes.
01:02:27
Speaker 2: You know one thing that my weird brain figured out yesterday? What's that?
01:02:33
Speaker 1: This is the– I couldn't sleep last night. And so I'm laying there. I look at the clock. It was like three 46 in the morning. And I looked at the clock and then I thought, well, so I thought, well, I'll do a little show prep. So I pulled up the white.
01:02:49
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know.
01:02:50
Speaker 2: Uh, well till three 48, then.
01:02:52
Speaker 6: I fell asleep. Oh, so that's what put you to bed was trying to, trying to prep. Well, listen to this.
01:02:59
Speaker 2: Of the net. Now this is a weird brain drop of all brain drops.
01:03:03
Speaker 7: Okay.
01:03:03
Speaker 5: Okay.
01:03:05
Speaker 2: Of the 25.
01:03:06
Speaker 1: Teams ranked in college football right now, 13 of the 25, so more than 50%. More than 50% of the college football top 25 are schools who have been to a basketball Final Four more recently than Indiana.
01:03:23
Speaker 2: How about them apples? Can you follow where I'm going with that? You get where I'm going with that, right?
01:03:31
Speaker 8: Sure.
01:03:31
Speaker 7: Sure.
01:03:32
Speaker 1: I know that we think Indiana's a basketball school, but it's like, well, wait a minute. Obviously, now it's a football school.
01:03:36
Speaker 6: What do you make of this, though? In the second half, so in the third and fourth quarter solo, Hoosiers only attempt one pass, and it was intercepted. Josh Hoover completes the shot, or the pass to shot in overtime that sets him up to play before the touchdown. And after the game, Kurt Cignetti is mentioning about how there was a heavy discussion whether or not to bench Hoover and You have to think like this is a team that's undefeated. And granted, Hoover has not played well, but he was clearly injured or something was ailing him.
01:04:10
Speaker 2: I think he's injured.
01:04:12
Speaker 6: But Cignetti is having that discussion, whereas Shane Steichen doesn't even have the thought.
01:04:21
Speaker 2: Great point. Two different types of coaches. Two different types of backup quarterbacks.
01:04:27
Speaker 6: Also true.
01:04:29
Speaker 1: I think, again, Eddie, I'm going to go back to This is nothing, nothing more than just an intuition. It is my belief that when Shane Steichen continues to profess his belief in Daniel Jones, that what he is really telling us is it's because of his lack of belief in the alternative. I just feel like, I don't think it's personal. I don't think that he dislikes him as a person. I just feel that Shane Steichen has no trust at all or faith in what he would see if he hands the keys back to Anthony Richardson. I just don't. And maybe based on last week, that's the wrong terminology. But I just feel like he does not trust Anthony Richardson at all.
01:05:25
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was the helmet tap. I don't know if it.
01:05:28
Speaker 1: Was just the way he conducted himself as a young player. But what is really interesting is, theoretically or seemingly for the Colts, the one guy in the building now that was the most supportive, yes, of Anthony Richardson was Chris Ballard. And he's gone, and so now I think there's even less motivation for Steichen or pressure probably for him to turn that route. As for Indiana, Eddie, I thought what you saw, and you know what? And I'm interested to talk to Don Fisher about this. I thought Michigan got pretty good. The numbers wouldn't bear this out. But I thought Michigan got pretty gutsy quarterback play. But Indiana defensively was able to get stops and push Michigan out of scoring range on multiple occasions. It was just the classic game for Indiana of kind of hang around until you had to make a play and someone's going to make a play. And it was Josh Hoover twice in the overtime, obviously. And then defensively, they got stops.
01:06:47
Speaker 2: But, you know.
01:06:51
Speaker 1: As that game was unfolding, I began to think to myself, you know, I had said that I thought that the loss against Ohio State was going to be irrelevant for Indiana, but if they had lost that game at Michigan, I don't know then if they wouldn't be out without any chance to get back in. Because that would for sure eliminate them from the chance to play for the Big Ten Championship. And in addition to that, you'd have two losses, and it would be against, you know, you want one of those two, even though Michigan is not, this is not your grandpa's Michigan.
01:07:24
Speaker 2: I get that.
01:07:26
Speaker 1: But I, I knew this, I guess, but I don't know that it ever totally dawned on me until it happened that that is the first time in my lifetime that Indiana has won in the big house. I, I don't know why I was just assuming that they're, that they I mean, they've had great moments there. Darius Willis had a huge game there one year, I remember, as a freshman. I mean, they've had moments where they hung around, and I certainly remember them winning. I've seen them multiple times win in Bloomington. But even though it's not Bo Schimbechler's Michigan Wolverines or Jim Harbaugh's stealing plays Michigan Wolverines, it still is the big house. And in Indiana's case, what you saw was a team that had a resolve about itself that I don't even know that Cignetti's first team would have necessarily dug that deep. But this group has just been through it. They've been tested in big moments. I think it's funny when people say, and I saw somebody last week, yeah, but Indiana, they haven't played any, you know, who have they played or whatever else? And I'm like, this particular group won a national championship by beating Ohio State in the Big Ten title game, blowing out Alabama, blowing out Oregon, and beating Miami. I mean, come on. There are no bigger tests or no bigger programs to beat back to back to back than that. I mean, it's not just that Indiana last year won the national title and did it in resounding fashion. It was who they beat that was the most impressive about it to me. So this group is battle tested. I thought they showed it. It was not a fabulous performance against Michigan, but it was one that was a slugfest, and in the end, they found a way to make the play to win them the game.
01:09:21
Speaker 2: And you do need games like that.
01:09:23
Speaker 1: Now, we said the same about Nebraska, so maybe they are playing with fire a little bit.
01:09:27
Speaker 2: Maybe they are.
01:09:30
Speaker 6: Last year, Jake, they had a game like that against Iowa and Penn State.
01:09:34
Speaker 2: That's fair.
01:09:35
Speaker 1: And Penn State would have been also similar because A downed.
01:09:39
Speaker 2: Team, but still a huge stadium, big environment, and etc.
01:09:43
Speaker 6: That was the week after Penn State had fired their coach, right?
01:09:47
Speaker 8: Right.
01:09:47
Speaker 6: And it was a wide-out game for the Nittany Lions, I think. So they were playing with a little bit of juice.
01:09:53
Speaker 1: And by the way, James Franklin now at Virginia Tech, and Virginia Tech getting a win after I watched Indiana-Michigan, then I watched Clemson and Virginia Tech that night, and God love him. He's a nice man, and he's been on the show, and I appreciate it. But Tom Allen, now the D coordinator at Clemson, and I'm like, okay, so you go from Indiana. You forget about the Tom Allen era, right, because Cignetti comes in, and boom. And poor Tom Allen now at Clemson, and they have gone completely in reverse. But that's not on Tom Allen. That illuminates and speaks to the importance of NIL and portal management because Clemson is one that refused to do that. And I kind of commend Dabo Sweeney to it. It's not because I'm a fan of Clemson that I say this, that I find it kind of refreshing, but after they were so dominant, it is kind of refreshing to be like, you know what? They're just going to go back to being who they are, and if that means scratching and clawing to try to get to eight wins to go to the Music City Bowl, at least for right now, I'm actually okay with that.
01:11:03
Speaker 7: I mean.
01:11:04
Speaker 2: It was great.
01:11:04
Speaker 1: It was fun going to Miami and going to... I didn't go to Glendale, Arizona, but they were dominant for sure. But it is surreal to me to know that Indiana is now that team. And they have used Portal to a great extent. And then look at JMU. Whoever is coaching at James Madison right now, is he now destined to go get some million-dollar job and take over and just look at UCLA, right?
01:11:29
Speaker 7: Right.
01:11:31
Speaker 1: The cradle of coaching, James Madison, right? The cradle of coaching. Mike Chappell, CBS4, WXAN, back to the Colts conversation. And Eddie, great point about that with Kurt Cignetti contemplating quarterback change, but Shane Steichen adamant that he will not, at least as of right now, think that way. Is that about to change? We'll ask Chap next. Mike Chappell is... On the Game Day Men's Health guest line, Game Day Men's Health, six locations around central Indiana. Chap with CBS4 and WXAN, Fox 59. Colts yesterday dropping one in Minnesota. So let's get to this question first, Chap. In your opinion, Would Shane Steichen be more prone towards exploring the possibility of a quarterback change if they had, in fact, extended Anthony Richardson? Or is it a moot point because Richardson's not going to be here next year, so what's the point? Of course, we don't know if Steichen will be either, but what's the point and purpose? If he had another year left on his deal, would that force the Colts to be more open-minded about giving this another run?
01:12:45
Speaker 10: I hadn't thought about that, but Maybe these guys are so much in the moment that I would say no. And I have a hard time believing I'm going to say this, but he needs to make a quarterback change. And I don't like his options, whether it's Richardson or Leonard. But, and I've not been, I've, from the start of this year, I thought the best move to make would have been to relocate Anthony Richardson for so many reasons, and one of them popped up in the last week or so, judgment. So, but if this were, correct me if I'm wrong, if this were any other position, of course you make a change because that guy's not doing his job, edge pass rusher, left tackle, whatever. But this is sort of the, corner they painted themselves into. And I don't think Shane wants to make a change. I really don't. We'll talk to him later today. Now, whether at some point Carly or say Gordon says, hey, listen, you're, you know, we got to see. And I don't know what you want to see from Richardson. You're already committed to $ 47 million to Daniel Jones next year. So let's say Richardson comes in and plays well and whatever. You're going to give him a new contract? Really? So they're liking no man's land at quarterback. And I tell you, it tells you how bad Jones is playing that I think that he needs to sit down.
01:14:28
Speaker 1: Do you believe, Chap, when– Eddie, do you have the– for those that didn't hear, and I know you did, Mike, because you– I want to hear Shane Steichen, or let's let everybody hear again, Shane Steichen yesterday after the game when asked about whether or not he would make a quarterbacking change. This was Shane Steichen yesterday when asked by James Boyd whether or not He had contemplated going away from Daniel Jones to Anthony Richardson.
01:14:52
Speaker 4: No, I have not thought about a quarterback change because I got a ton of faith in Daniel. The game plan today was to go in and run the football, and obviously at the end he had the interception, and that happens in football.
01:15:01
Speaker 2: Okay, that happens in football. Okay, great.
01:15:03
Speaker 1: Chap, is it because he has a ton of faith in Daniel Jones or because he has zero faith in Anthony Richardson?
01:15:12
Speaker 10: Yes, yes and yes. Zero faith. I won't go that far. But it's obvious that there's not a ton of faith in the backup quarterback. I think.
01:15:29
Speaker 2: We lost Chap there. Did we lose Chap, Eddie? There we go. Go ahead, Mike. Sorry, we lost you for a split second.
01:15:36
Speaker 10: I think it's just that they've shown us through the year what their trust in Richardson is. And I don't think there's been a game this year, even like the fourth quarter, There are times in the past that a coach will bring in a backup for a spark or whatever and then go back to your starter. But the problem is once you make the change to Richardson, then he's your quarterback, isn't he? I mean, you're going to go back to Jones. You can't say sometimes it's, well, he needs to sit down so he can look at the game from a different angle. That shouldn't be the case with Daniel Jones with the quarterback and his experience. So all it would prove is that Right now, he doesn't merit being your quarterback. Like I said, in any other position, a receiver dropping the ball or the left tackle getting beat or whatever, you've made that change. And again, maybe after all that we talked about today at 220, Shane says, well, we'll see. If it's ever he's our quarterback right now, well, then they're about a game away from making a change. But that's not what Shane's you know, stance has been. The one thing he did say was last Friday that Anthony Richardson is our backup right now, which makes you wonder if they were considering moving him to three and Leonard to two. So I don't know. It'll be very curious. You can have your quarterback. Yes, the game plan was what it was yesterday. It was run the ball and they ran for 165, which you would take every day. But you can't throw for 108 yards in today's NFL. You can't do it.
01:17:17
Speaker 1: Well, Mike, when you look at, for example, and one other question about Richardson, and maybe this is me totally overthinking it.
01:17:25
Speaker 2: I don't know.
01:17:27
Speaker 1: But– and the Keenan Allen situation would be in defiance of what I'm about to say. But is there any possibility because of the repeated stuff– and I'm talking about stuff that might have happened inside the building that we don't know or didn't see. Nothing overly egregious, but– not going through every single thing that's expected in terms of meetings or whatever else when you're the franchise quarterback as a young player, etc. Was there something you believe that could have just cumulatively been the case where Shane Steichen has a worry that if he now goes to Anthony Richardson that it sends a message to the rest of the team about accountability and the helmet tap and everything else and where he just says to himself, I cannot go back to that because I've drawn too hard a line in the sand here.
01:18:12
Speaker 10: Well, and I understand that rationale and it might be part of it, but at the same time, what are you telling your team when your quarterback has four touchdowns and seven interceptions and he's not giving you a chance to win? So that's, that's where they are. And you know, would it shock me if they went with Leonard? Shock's a strong word when you've been through like 2022, uh, So I don't know. That's why they're in such a bad way. And where do they go Sunday? Jacksonville. Holy smokes. And they're coming off a bye. So it's a very good point. We don't know all that went in, all that's gone on with Richardson behind the scenes. I said, whether it was last year or whatever, with Richardson, as much as I was concerned with the injuries, which you have to be, and the inconsistent play, 50% completion percentage, the fact that he was benched for not being prepared. I mean, your quarterback is not preparing the right way. Are you kidding me? And this couldn't have been when they woke up in whatever week that was, 6, 7, 5, whatever it was, that, oh, he's not preparing the right way. As a franchise, they let things go on and they let things fester until it got to the point that the coach said, I've got to make an example. And that's when Flacco came in, and Flacco played so poorly that they had to go back to Richardson. And the incident in Karma with the marijuana, the only word that comes to my mind is judgment. I want my quarterback to have judgment.
01:19:55
Speaker 2: Good judgment. Chap, it's like I said, when.
01:19:59
Speaker 1: That misdemeanor charge, it would be completely hypocritical of me to sit here, not because I've had that charge, I'm not saying that, but forgetting to put a license plate sticker on or whatever else.
01:20:13
Speaker 2: I mean, I've been an idiot, especially at that age. I got a ticket.
01:20:16
Speaker 10: Yes, I've done that before a while ago.
01:20:19
Speaker 1: But having said that, when you are an NFL quarterback, you are mostly getting paid to make good decisions.
01:20:25
Speaker 8: Right.
01:20:25
Speaker 1: And you're allowed to make the occasional bad decision, but once it becomes habitual or repetitive, then you just go, okay, I mean, you know, we got to move on from this.
01:20:35
Speaker 2: But with that said... Let's go to a different position.
01:20:41
Speaker 1: Now, I'm going to again confess to, and I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I was curious of this. I like Seth McGowan, and I like the way he runs. He runs hard, and he's not the best blocking back, but neither is Jonathan Taylor. But he got more and more reps yesterday. Is it possible that what we're seeing is them further exploring what he can do in the event that they decide to move on from Jonathan Taylor and get out of him what they can in return? because they're in a world of hurt moving forward draft stock-wise.
01:21:12
Speaker 10: I would say that's taking a leap. I think what they're trying to do is keep Taylor fresh for the game and get McGowan some rushes as well. I don't think this is a test drive of, hey, if and when, not if, when we trade JT. Because again, I saw some people on Twitter, well, this guy shows he can be a number one running back. No, it doesn't. It shows that he can come in And get those reps in the third or fourth possession or in the third quarter and do a good job. And that's what he's done.
01:21:46
Speaker 2: So you believe they will trade Jonathan Taylor?
01:21:49
Speaker 9: Yes.
01:21:51
Speaker 8: Yes.
01:21:52
Speaker 10: Because. Because he's– there are too many teams that need a running back, a top-tier running back. Seattle, Green Bay, Minnesota.
01:22:02
Speaker 3: Yeah.
01:22:03
Speaker 10: Minnesota. I joke that you should have left JT in Minneapolis and say, we're going to trade him in a week anyway, so let him get his apartment. But yeah, this is going to be all about when they make a move or two and looking to the future. I thought, maybe I misread, but one of the things that Carl Yersey Gordon said was, we made the decision on Chris Ballard when we did. It was deliberate because they were going to start building looking to the future. And in my mind, that rang of player moves, and it might have been difficult for Chris to make those moves, and it shouldn't be hard for Ed Dodds and Carly to make those moves because this is all about what can we get out of assets. It's cold business, but they're assets. And if Jonathan Taylor is here for the rest of the year, he's going to rush for, I don't know, 1,400 yards, And 12 touchdowns, and you're going to finish, what, 6-11?
01:23:07
Speaker 2: What do you believe they would get for him?
01:23:10
Speaker 10: Somebody keeps saying a 1, and boy, a 2 and a 4. I don't know. And I really like some of the– I really have a– I respect a lot of these players. I really do. And I'd love to see JT go to a– I would really like to see DeForest Buckner go somewhere to where he can get back to the Super Bowl. Remember in 2019, they did, and he comes here. So, yeah.
01:23:43
Speaker 1: Look, Chap, I've said this repeatedly, and I think maybe even with you. Mike Chappell, my guest on the Game Day Men's Health Guest Line. DeForest Buckner has been the consummate professional. This guy has come in, he's fought through injury, he's come back, he's been there for his teammates, he has done everything that's been asked, he has worked tirelessly, he has worked to come back to get healthy, he has worked to come back to be productive. He has been a leader in the locker room. He has bought gifts for his teammates. He has tried to boost morale. He has done everything until two weeks ago, finally, and he's like, look, I'm tired of this. And I get it, right? But he should be commended for being the one guy. I'm not saying there aren't others, but above all, he is the pro's pro. You agree with that?
01:24:27
Speaker 8: Right.
01:24:28
Speaker 10: And the Colts paid him really, really well. I mean, they really have. But he would have got that money on the open market, maybe a little more. I thought, and again, I didn't go to Minneapolis last night, but I saw the film clips of him at his locker, and maybe it was James said something about, you know, frustration level, and he doesn't know what to say. He sort of said, well, you know, what do you guys think? And we're going to talk to him Thursday, and he's going to stand there, and you're going to want to say, I got nothing for you. So he is, it's killing him. as it should every player. But when you're at his level, he's, what, 32? And he knows that he's much closer to the end of his career. And it's killing him to be with a team that is so limited in how they play the game. And the defense, I don't trust the defense, but the last two weeks they've played well enough to win. They have. And the offense hasn't done it. So yeah, I would like to see Buck go somewhere. And I don't know what you'll get for him. A three? I don't know. I don't know if you get a two for him or not, although he's such a great player in his position. Quentin Nelson, do you think they can trade him? I don't know how a team takes on Quentin knowing that it might be an eight-game rental. Because are you going to pay him next year $ 30 million? Somebody will, but And that's why I keep saying, and it's funny, we've got a real good friend who's a season ticket holder, and she's depressed over this. And I said, man, I feel for you, but it's not going to get any better. It's going to be difficult this season because you've got to fill time. I've got to write about it. And I thought if they could have found a way to win last night, yesterday and then beat Dallas somehow, you got a chance. But now what have you got?
01:26:39
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, Chap, and I'll say this to put a tie on all that. To me, it's one more game, the Jacksonville game, because your ticket now towards salvaging this deal is the division, and it's still in play if you can get those two against Jacksonville, and likely as that may be to get those two against Jacksonville. They lose coming up Sunday in Jacksonville, and then, yes, in fact– I think you can say it's probably over because the wild card with that log jam and having the conference losses they have is out the window, right? So if you get the one in Jacksonville, then guess what? We can sit here and say, hey, there's a beep. There's a chance.
01:27:18
Speaker 2: We shall see. Chap, appreciate the time as always. All right.
01:27:21
Speaker 10: Be well, bud.
01:27:22
Speaker 1: All right, Mike Chappell joining us from CBS4 and WXN, Fox 59 on the game day, Men's Health Guest Line. One thing I did not ask him about when we talk about running backs for the Colts and what it can fetch in the open market. I mentioned earlier, we do have precedent based on that, and it's a guy whose name was in the news, unfortunately, in the last week.
01:27:41
Speaker 2: I'll let you know what I'm talking about next.
01:27:45
Speaker 1: With the speculation of Jonathan Taylor's future in Indy and whether or not they can parlay them, Mike Chappell seemed to think that's going to be the case in the draft picks. I always go back to, as I've mentioned before, when Marshall Falk was traded because he got a second and a fifth. You may have seen the news Marshall Falk announcing last week that he has been diagnosed with Parkinson's. Falk is a player that when he was here was truly a dynamic and magnificent talent. And they kind of used him like he was literally their entire offense. And then they traded him to St.
01:28:18
Speaker 2: Louis. I covered the Rams once he went to St. Louis.
01:28:23
Speaker 1: And Falk was a, he was kind of an icy figure for certain.
01:28:28
Speaker 2: You know, I.
01:28:31
Speaker 1: Wouldn't say that he was arrogant, but he was a pretty tough cookie. And one thing that I always respected and admired about covering him was when I was in St. Louis and kind of the St. Louis media told me, they're like, yeah, Falk's pretty tough. Like he doesn't talk a lot. And if he does, he's always kind of difficult and testy. He was always testy. It's the best way to say it. And he was that way for certain. And then finally one day I actually knew because when I'd worked in Broad Ripple, there was, um, a gal that worked at one of the hair salons in Broad Ripple who I think he had dated, but more so they were just very close to one another. Um, and so I just finally one day to break the ice, I guess. And I'd been there for a while. I just said, by the way, um, you know, I happen to know, and I, you know, I'm friends with, and I mentioned her name. And from then on, he was great because he's like, well, you're from Indy. And I'm like, well, yeah, I mean, I've didn't remember me from being a grunt at Channel 6. But once he knew that I had Indianapolis ties and had just known some of the areas that he hung around in Indy, he was great. So even though I think, I'm not saying that he had like some affinity for Indianapolis or does, but I do think that he appreciated the time and the people that he was around here. And he was pretty good to deal with then. And he was a great player. But he has said now that he is diagnosed with Parkinson's, that he is going to utilize that towards helping out others, which I greatly appreciate. Paul, I'll squeeze you in real quick here.
01:30:09
Speaker 2: 239-1070. Paul's on the line. What's up, Paul?
01:30:12
Speaker 8: What's up, Jake?
01:30:13
Speaker 5: How you doing?
01:30:14
Speaker 1: I'm doing well, thank you.
01:30:17
Speaker 5: Jake, I think we need to be getting an announcement today that Shane Steichen has been fired.
01:30:23
Speaker 8: What?
01:30:24
Speaker 5: Because for him to not hold Daniel Jones accountable like he's held everybody else is blasphemous. I mean, you cut Williams after two fumbles in the first game a few years ago. You trade Mitchell after he mishandled the ball going over the goal line after doing miraculous moves to even get down there. and you bitch Anthony Richardson for a tap out. If that tap out is worse than all these mistakes Daniel Jones is making, then I'm befuddled because, yes, he shouldn't have did that, but he's owned up to that mistake, and he said that would never happen again. Daniel Jones has said he's got to protect his ball and do better, and what does he do? He still goes out there and gives the other team the ball. I don't care that the guy was coming on and he tipped his arm a little bit He was still throwing it to a tight end who was double covered while you had a receiver breaking open right over the middle.
01:31:31
Speaker 1: Listen, he admitted it was the wrong decision, right? Did Daniel Jones. Paul, I appreciate it. And look, I agree with a lot of what you're saying there, Paul.
01:31:39
Speaker 2: A lot of it.
01:31:40
Speaker 1: But there's one aspect of it that I think we can't overlook when it comes to Shane Steichen and Anthony Richardson.
01:31:46
Speaker 2: And I'll get to that later. When we come.
01:31:49
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01:32:34
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01:35:25
Speaker 2: I don't think that's going to happen. Don't misquote me here.
01:35:29
Speaker 1: I'm just saying if you are within the front office, you probably are looking at it, or if you're Shane Steichen and you're saying, hey, we've got to find whatever way we can to tunnel ourselves out of this. The one way to do that would be to beat Jacksonville twice and then see where you stand within the division. I think they lose in Jacksonville on Sunday, and then at that point, you are literally playing for a rebuild. Yesterday, somebody said to me, they need to tear this thing down to the studs. And the problem is, they don't.
01:36:06
Speaker 2: Have enough of them. What studs do they have? DeForest Buckner? Jonathan Taylor? Quentin Nelson?
01:36:17
Speaker 1: DeForest Buckner is in the twilight of his career and is probably one guy as a service that you go ahead and move along and trade. Jonathan Taylor is a really good piece. There's no doubt about it. But he right now is in prime, maybe even like in the backstretch of his prime. And if you are now in the point where you're a two to three year window away from rebuild, then what good does Jonathan Taylor do you other than you parlay that into timelines. And I go back to, and I know I've made this analogy a million times, but I think it's a really good reference point. The aforementioned Marshall Falk. When they traded Marshall Falk, it was not because they didn't like Marshall Falk. It's because they knew in drafting Peyton Manning that they were going to have like a two-year learning window and They're looking at it and they're saying, but Marshall Falk is, from an age standpoint, when Manning is really hitting his prime, Falk will be on the backside of his prime. Now, it turns out that Falk was a guy that had a prime that was really long, you know what I mean? But I understood the thought process on it. That's why they drafted Edger and James, because it's all about the consistency of timeline. And in the case of Jonathan Taylor, yes, you can hold on to that. But I think we can safely say at this point that Daniel Jones is not your long-term quarterback. So you go out and if you get a young quarterback or at some point you've got to hand the keys over to somebody you're building around, you want to do so with a back that is growing with them and in prime with them. And that would not be the case with Jonathan Taylor. So your timelines no longer really add up with him.
01:38:03
Speaker 2: They don't sync.
01:38:05
Speaker 1: Which then leads you to the question of why not Anthony Richardson? Now, Shane Steichen has been effusive in his praise and his belief in Daniel Jones.
01:38:20
Speaker 2: But I really, truly.
01:38:21
Speaker 1: Believe that it's not as much about a belief in Daniel Jones, which I believe he has. but also a lack of belief in the alternative. I just think Shane Steichen looks at Anthony Richardson and says, I'm not doing it. And part of why we can sit here and say it's because of the helmet tap. We can say it's because of the misdemeanor charge last week. We could say it's because When he first was there, he wasn't doing everything that was asked of him, et.
01:38:54
Speaker 2: Cetera, et cetera.
01:38:56
Speaker 1: I think a big part of it may be the last time that we saw Anthony Richardson get hurt, it was really at the fault of Anthony Richardson, where he did not recognize a corner blitz coming from Baltimore and didn't check away from it and got blasted. And when you look at the... And that was, if I'm not mistaken, there was a preseason game, so it wasn't even like the starting unit of Baltimore, if I'm not mistaken. But either way, I think when you look at that game yesterday in Minnesota, that defense for the Vikings was so nasty, and they pressured the heck out of Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones was terrible. I'm not here to sugarcoat that at all. He was terrible. But he also had no time. And when he did have time, who's he throwing to? Who's he throwing to? His big target of Michael Pittman Jr., gone. His deep ball threat of Alec Pierce, gone. His tight end safety net in Tyler Warren, missing. Who's he throwing to? Keenan Allen?
01:40:08
Speaker 2: Okay. So there is that aspect of it.
01:40:12
Speaker 1: I'm not here by any means to say, in totality, that's in defense of him. But the areas that, and I'm, again, I'm always hesitant to throw the guy that just got jettisoned under the bus because that's the easy and kind of lazy narrative, but it is true. If you want to know why Chris Ballard was relieved of his duties, it was more than just they needed.
01:40:40
Speaker 1: Or they needed to show fans an energy or a sudden jolt of reason to be excited or just a change in general. Look at the situation they're in. I mean, it literally, before our very eyes, now it jumps right out at you. You got no quarterback, and the one you do have, you're on the hook for paying for another year at 40 plus a year. You got the backup quarterback that was the top five pick in literally a must-have draft. Like, if there's a year that you have to hit on a draft pick, it's at quarterback when you're drafting inside the top five. And they went with Anthony Richardson knowing the limitation, knowing the question marks, knowing the areas where he needed help, and they delivered none of it.
01:41:37
Speaker 2: They didn't help him. Now, at some point, you got to help yourself. I get that. But they did him no favors. And they knew.
01:41:47
Speaker 12: I knew.
01:41:48
Speaker 2: Eddie knew. James knew. Kevin knew. John knew. Nathaniel knew. Caleb knew. Christian knew. Scotty knew.
01:41:57
Speaker 1: Everybody knew that when he came in, he was raw and he was going to need time. And so what did they do? They said, you know what? You haven't invented driver's ed yet. You've not been to the learning center at 62nd and Allisonville to go to driver's ed and get your learner's permit, but here, we're throwing you the keys to the Ferrari.
01:42:13
Speaker 2: Have fun.
01:42:14
Speaker 1: And then they were stunned when they found out he didn't know how to drive a stick. They didn't give him the basic principles and building blocks. Now, that's going on the way back. As of right now, there was plenty of time for him to learn those things. But all of the areas that right now are plugging the Colts, literally, it's like, oh, man, now that we are in the potential here to tear this down and tear it down to the studs, that's when you really look at it and you go, this situation is far more bleak than it even looked when Ballard was here, able to talk himself out of it. Because you have no first-round pick. You have no definitive long-term answer at quarterback. You have no long-term answer at like over-the-middle secondary receiver or second receiver, complementary receiver. I don't even know if you have a deep ball threat. Do we realistically know? If Alec Pierce is coming back, do we know? You have no linebackers.
01:43:27
Speaker 7: None.
01:43:29
Speaker 2: And you know what? I'll give credit.
01:43:33
Speaker 1: We finally had somebody show up and give some pass rush yesterday. But outside of that, you don't have a lot of depth on your line either. So you've got to basically start over. And that's bleak for you Colts fans. But I'm going to ask you, and I know it sounds ridiculous.
01:44:00
Speaker 1: But I'm saying it not as a spokesperson for the organization, but rather as just a therapist to the city. I really do believe that things are going to be more enjoyable for you if you can just temper your expectation as to what the new goals are. The goal a year ago was to see whether or not this group with Daniel Jones at quarterback, and again, I bought it too.
01:44:36
Speaker 2: I drank that Flavor-Aid. It wasn't Kool-Aid, by the way. It was Flavor-Aid.
01:44:43
Speaker 1: I bought in, and I thought Daniel Jones was a guy you could win with. I thought Daniel Jones, if you give him the... Now, I don't know that Daniel Jones... is one that you can win with if you don't give him all the right, you got to build things around him clearly. But man, once it got in his head and he started to regress, Daniel Jones' career or his time in Indianapolis looks like he does when he takes a shotgun snap.
01:45:10
Speaker 2: Immediately backpedaling.
01:45:12
Speaker 1: And he has regressed back to the quarterback that the New York Jets, we can now say it probably. I was on record of saying I like Daniel Jones and I think you can win with him. Not this one. Not this one. He is making the wrong decisions. He seems timid. I think a big part of that is the Achilles still is in his mind, and by that I mean I don't know that he can properly plant. I don't know that he feels as confident in rolling out and extending plays. The Daniel Jones that we're seeing right now, you cannot win with.
01:45:42
Speaker 2: You can't.
01:45:44
Speaker 1: And so that then backs it out to where I think you have to temper your expectations and say, while there was hope going into this year that they were going to be good, now you just simply have to look at this and embrace, and I mean this sincerely, I don't mean this to be snarky. You have to embrace and welcome and accept that what you are now going to see is maybe not a complete rebuild, but certainly a retool at the very least of what they have and You now have reset your goals and your timeline.
01:46:24
Speaker 2: And it is, you know what?
01:46:26
Speaker 1: Now it just becomes about being an organization with the foundation of competency. Because they have looked completely incompetent for the last year. Every decision they've made has turned out to be the wrong one. Wasn't their fault when they made, sometimes they felt like the right decision at the time. Not extending Anthony Richardson. Right decision at the time. Now you look at it and you go, but if they had extended him, then maybe you have reason to turn to him and find out what's there and see if you can still build something. As it is, you've got a trade deadline coming up, and he's going to be a free agent at the end of the year, and one would think there's going to be no chance he signs here, right?
01:47:07
Speaker 2: I mean, he's requested to be traded from here.
01:47:09
Speaker 12: Mm-hmm.
01:47:11
Speaker 1: The decision to go with Daniel Jones seemed like the right one at the time. Now you look at it and you go, okay, he's back to the player that New York basically said, have at, take anybody, make an offer.
01:47:22
Speaker 2: And then they just flat out released him. Now you see why.
01:47:27
Speaker 1: The decision to go with, you know what, we're going to give a bunch of money to Jonathan Taylor and feature that as part of our, now you look at it and you're doing nothing more than auditioning him to move on from him.
01:47:40
Speaker 2: Great player. Great player.
01:47:43
Speaker 1: But for the reasons I mentioned, you now have to put him on the block. Everything that they have decided to do in the last year and the last year has quickly then turned itself into being the wrong decision.
01:47:55
Speaker 2: And that's why they are where they are.
01:47:57
Speaker 6: I think the other thing, too, that you didn't mention there, Jay, going into this season, we knew that the Colts needed another pass rusher, and Trey Hendrickson was out there, and that was option one, two, and three.
01:48:08
Speaker 8: Yes.
01:48:09
Speaker 6: There was no backup plan to it. You're still sitting on a boatload of cap space because your only plan was, well, Trey Hendrickson or bust.
01:48:19
Speaker 2: We like our guy. right?
01:48:20
Speaker 6: And then the whole we like our guys thing, yes. I mean, the roster itself, Jake, when you go with Daniel Jones and the reason why they were, what, 7-2, 8-2 or whatever the record was a year ago was because they were taking care of the football and the defense was getting turnovers. That's how you have to win with Daniel Jones is he's got to manage the game, not turn the ball over, be able to run the football. And the defense is able to get some stops. That is not the case. This defense is treacherous, treacherous. There's no receivers that are getting open because there's nobody stretching the field.
01:48:58
Speaker 2: And he look at, okay.
01:49:00
Speaker 6: And so now they're asking Daniel Jones to be a franchise quarterback, to go out there and elevate everyone around him to win games. And, Everyone knows that's not.
01:49:09
Speaker 2: Who he is. Look at Minnesota.
01:49:13
Speaker 1: Minnesota has an outstanding defense. And you wonder if the offense is going to be enough to not completely offset that.
01:49:26
Speaker 2: Look at other franchises.
01:49:29
Speaker 1: Look at Seattle. Seattle has an aggressive defense and an elite receiver. and good running backs, but you wonder if the quarterback is eventually going to be inconsistent enough to offset those things. All franchises in the NFL have an area of weakness that you hope doesn't offset the area that is their bread and butter. This Colts roster and the way it's assembled and the way that they have been put together and the way that they play You wonder what the strength is that you're hoping to not have it be offset.
01:50:07
Speaker 2: What is their strength? What is it? Running the football okay?
01:50:15
Speaker 8: Maybe?
01:50:17
Speaker 1: All of the areas, and again, it's at this point a moot point because Chris Ballard is no longer here. But all of the areas, and this is what should make people upset, except for that I'm asking you to reprogram that frustration into now the welcoming, the embracing of this new challenge and how much fun it's going to watch to see if they can get it addressed, I guess, if we're being optimistic here or being sunshiny, because it is nice outside. And you got the El Nino La Nina that's going to keep it nice for a while. But the reality is that this team... Everything that is plaguing it right now, everything that's plaguing it are the things that everyone, except for the guy that just lost his job, saw were going to be a problem.
01:51:13
Speaker 2: They have no receivers.
01:51:16
Speaker 1: They have a quarterback that has regressed, and there's no option because Shane Steichen very clearly is defiant that he is not, and maybe someday he's going to be forced. Maybe he's going to be forced to go to Anthony Richardson, but Anthony Richardson's biggest supporter isn't even in the building anymore. you have no linebackers, and you have no edge rush consistently. It's all the things that we've been jumping up and down about and we're told that we're just talking heads that don't know what we're talking about for six months or a year or 18 months, right?
01:51:47
Speaker 2: So now, tear it down to the studs. Sure. And I don't know which studs are even there that you decide to keep. Tyler Warren, maybe?
01:51:59
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you have to keep Tyler.
01:52:03
Speaker 2: Only because we haven't seen enough to verify that maybe he's exactly what everybody else is. A guy.
01:52:11
Speaker 6: Well, you need good players on good contracts.
01:52:15
Speaker 2: Understood. I get it. And he's a versatile player.
01:52:18
Speaker 6: Yeah.
01:52:18
Speaker 2: I get it.
01:52:20
Speaker 1: But it's just, you know, here's the thing, and a lot of people ask this on the text line, 239-1070, the text line, Jake, would Mike Tomlin.
01:52:29
Speaker 2: Be the Colts' top choice? I would assume. I would assume.
01:52:33
Speaker 1: I mean, there are going to be plenty of coaches, but how much interest? Then you wonder, Mike Tomlin is a guy that's going to be able to have his choice, right?
01:52:42
Speaker 6: Mike Tomlin said a couple of weeks ago, it was on a podcast of some sort, that he was like, oh, how do you like the transition to TV? He goes, I get paid pretty much the same for half the work.
01:52:54
Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah.
01:52:56
Speaker 8: Why?
01:52:56
Speaker 6: I mean, with that kind of, you know, I don't know, answer there. Why would he consider leaving TV? It's less stressful, let alone coming back into the NFL to an organization that's going to be completely rebuilding.
01:53:12
Speaker 1: Hey, Jake, why don't we try to trade our good assets to get good draft picks or recover the draft picks we've already lost? I get it, but I don't know that you have anybody on there that's going to fetch a first rounder.
01:53:24
Speaker 6: I don't think they do have a player that would fetch a first-rounder.
01:53:27
Speaker 2: You know, their best chance of getting a first-rounder back is hoping Chris Ballard gets a job somewhere and they're trying to fleece him, right?
01:53:33
Speaker 6: I think if you're talking about players that could get you a first-rounder, I'm curious if Sauce could get you one.
01:53:40
Speaker 5: I don't know.
01:53:43
Speaker 6: Because of the age, the contract still, you know.
01:53:45
Speaker 2: I get it.
01:53:46
Speaker 6: Relatively nice.
01:53:48
Speaker 1: But wouldn't you, if you're another franchise, aren't you looking at it going, wait a minute, you just traded two first rounds for this guy and you're already giving up on him?
01:53:55
Speaker 6: Well, I'm not saying that.
01:53:56
Speaker 2: I understand.
01:53:57
Speaker 6: I'm saying it in the other way of like a team calling up the Colts.
01:54:00
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
01:54:00
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:54:01
Speaker 2: But if you're another team, you know that the, you know.
01:54:03
Speaker 6: You know, if you're Chicago, the Bears, for example, you have an issue in your secondary. And if you have the full anticipation and expectation that you're going to be One of the final teams playing in the postseason, are you willing of trading your 30th overall pick?
01:54:15
Speaker 2: That's the other problem is for the Colts, you're like, okay, well, it's the 30th pick. You know what I mean? It's not like you're getting into the top five.
01:54:21
Speaker 6: I know, but depending on who you trade and what you get, there's still the ability to kind of maneuver your way up the draft board.
01:54:30
Speaker 1: Hey, Jake, I think it's a complete rebuild. The main reason is Ballard's philosophy in football. Build from the inside out. Huge emphasis on D and O lines. Run the ball and receivers just aren't a priority. Few teams play the Tampa 2 zone slop that Ballard was stuck on.
01:54:44
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:54:45
Speaker 2: Again, philosophical rebuild. Roster rebuild. All of it, right? All of it.
01:54:51
Speaker 1: Tear it down to the studs. And then try to find some. I mean, that's the biggest thing. Tear it down to the studs and then try to find a couple of studs yourself. Indiana over the weekend against Michigan. That was one. We talked about it earlier. If the Nebraska game was last year's Iowa... Then perhaps the Michigan game was last year's Penn State. And Indiana was kind of down into a spot where they had to make a play.
01:55:18
Speaker 2: They had to dig down deep. And their quarterback may be banged up.
01:55:24
Speaker 1: But he made plays for them when it mattered most. Don Fisher is the voice of the Hoosiers, joins us next. We will take a look back at that and preview Minnesota with College Game Day coming for Indiana. They are still on the path of where they want to be, albeit perhaps not in a Big Ten championship game.
01:55:39
Speaker 2: We'll talk to Don Fisher next.
01:55:43
Speaker 1: Indiana doing what they needed to do to win in the big house against Michigan. When you certainly look at the score, it doesn't jump out at you as one that was... oh, wow, they blew out Michigan, anything like that. That was a gutsy win, if you will. And Don Fisher joining me now on the Game Day Men's Health Guest Line, the voice of the Hoosiers. Indiana and Minnesota coming up on Saturday, 3.30, pregame at 2.30 here on this radio station. But Don, I'm going to begin with this. I thought personally in watching, and then I was listening to you and Buck in the second half of that game, so I think you'll agree with me here, I thought Michigan, from a perspective of quarterback play, just was a really gutsy performance by them on Saturday. And I thought for Indiana, a very good defensive performance, but that was not a good defensive performance due to lack of skill or effort from Michigan offensively. I thought it was a really good defensive performance against a quarterback as a young player that I was pretty impressed with.
01:56:47
Speaker 2: Do you agree with that?
01:56:49
Speaker 7: Well, I think Tommy Carr is a very good young quarterback. I don't think there's much question about that. And I thought he did a very good job in his first career start. Obviously, he took over halftime last week, or the week before last, as the starting quarterback in the second half of their ballgame, in which they came up with a big win. And without doubt, he gets to start this week for the first time. I'm sure he had some jitters, just like any freshman quarterback would. But at the same time, I thought he was very good at what he was able to do in that ballgame. And here's the reason I say that, because I thought Indiana put as much pressure on him as he could possibly imagine. And I thought he handled most of those opportunities pretty well. But I thought Indiana's defense in that ballgame was the difference, without question. It was certainly for Indiana because the offense wasn't working as well as it needed to. And at the same time with a quarterback that was hurt. So from my perspective, this ball game was going to be a defensive struggle. I thought Indiana's defense won the game for them, even though obviously it took an overtime to get it done. And that's when the, you know, that Josh Hoover took over and really played some terrific ball in that final couple of segments of that contest. So Honestly, yeah, Tommy Carr did a nice job. And we all knew that Michigan was going to put out forth a tremendous defensive effort because they do have a really talented defense. And they're one of the best defenses in the league without question. So they gave Indiana all kinds of problems in that regard. But as we always say, it only matters whether you win or lose. And in this case, it mattered that Indiana won. And they did it in a really exciting fashion. And to beat that team... In the big house since 1967, it's the first win for Indiana in that context. That's 59 years, Jake. All I can tell you is they found a way, and it was a terrific win for IU.
01:58:54
Speaker 1: And I was thinking about this as well. You know, you've never called a win in the big house until then. I mean, that was like in a broadcast career of Indiana football keeps delivering you firsts, correct?
01:59:09
Speaker 7: There's no doubt since Kurt Cignetti has come on board that I've experienced more firsts ever in my 54 years of doing IU.
01:59:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, unbelievable. That is true.
01:59:20
Speaker 1: Don, I thought Josh Hoover, look, and I want to get to the injury in a second, but the reality is, statistically, nothing jumps out at you.
01:59:30
Speaker 2: You know, 8 of 18 for 81 yards. I mean, there's nothing gaudy about it.
01:59:33
Speaker 1: But when they needed him to, then it was like, okay, he was as cool as the other side of the pillow when he needed to be late in the game. I thought he was outstanding, obviously, with those two plays in the overtime. What is it about him that allows him, I guess, to be able to deliver in that moment after being limited the rest of the game?
01:59:55
Speaker 7: Well, one of the things that always factors into something like that is the experience level that this kid's got. I mean, he was the starter for Texas Christian for two-plus years with that football program, and now he comes to Indiana. He's learned a different system. It's obviously a different style of play and all those kinds of things at Indiana, but He had not thrown an interception until this particular ball game against Michigan. And it was the first pass he threw in the third quarter that was picked off. And from that point forward, they didn't throw the football again. Well, why didn't they? Well, the reason was simple. He was hurting. He's got a shoulder injury, and it's not keeping him out of playing, but he didn't have the zip in that ball that you would expect. And that's when Curt Cignetti, I'm assuming, decided, we're going to run the football, and that's how we're going to win this football game. And that's essentially what they did the rest of the contest. He only threw the one pass in the third and fourth quarter, which was picked off, as I said. And then he didn't throw another one until the overtime when nobody was expecting it. And then he ran it into the end zone for the touchdown that decided the ball game. So I will tell you this about Josh. I think he's one of those guys that understands exactly what it's all about. He's been there. He's done that. He's got the T-shirt, so to speak, because of the experience level. And I think he's a really calm kid. I thought he was a little amped up against Ohio State. I thought that's one of the reasons that some of his throws there were not particularly good or weren't quite spot on, so to speak, as far as receivers were concerned. All I can tell you is I think he's one of those calm guys. He never comes off as excited. And I think he's one of those guys that just handles pressure very, very well.
02:01:53
Speaker 1: And Don, with that, with Indiana and Minnesota coming up this Saturday, and maybe this is something we'll learn more of over the course of the week, but is it possible that we are going to again see utilizing the talent you have in the backfield for the running back standpoint, but just kind of limiting that shoulder and where do we know or what do we know in terms of where he is from a health standpoint and how that might limit what they want to do?
02:02:20
Speaker 7: I think he is limited to some degree with his throwing ability because of the shoulder. And I guess treatment and all those kinds of things will take place this week as it did last week because he hurt the shoulder against Ohio State. And that's when the problem came on board. And without doubt, he was not 100% on Saturday against Michigan. And yet they found a way to get it done without him throwing the football a lot, especially in the second half. And his throws in the first half weren't exactly sharp and perfectly thrown and all that kind of thing. All I can tell you, Jake, is with a football team like this, you've got to take advantage of the experience level of the quarterback, and certainly I think Indiana did that on Saturday. Even though he didn't throw the ball in the second half, he didn't fumble it. He didn't get caught back in situations where he could have been sacked or any of those kinds of things. Of course, just running the football, he's not going to get sacked probably, but My point is, it's all part of not just Josh Hoover. It's a part of the offensive line doing their job. It's a part of the coaching staff making the right calls. And in this particular case, you kind of wore Michigan's defense out a little bit as that ballgame progressed because you just stuffed it right down their throats every time you possibly could. And of course, they didn't do a great job of running the football, at least from a tremendous statistical perspective. But they did keep pounding it. And that wears teams out a little bit as you go forward. And that was all part of how it happened. And Indiana was able to win the ballgame.
02:03:57
Speaker 2: Don Fisher is my guest.
02:03:59
Speaker 1: He is the voice of the Indiana Hoosiers, of course, on the Game Day Men's Health Guest Line. All right, Don, let's pivot here literally and figuratively to basketball.
02:04:06
Speaker 2: You know, the Hoosiers... And I know that you had mentioned last time we talked that you really liked what you've seen so far out of Bryce Lindsey. That continued in their win over Western Kentucky yesterday. But as we now kind of ramp down exhibition season and get into, hard to believe, once we get into November, the regular season, what do you like or what still maybe is an area of intrigue to you about this particular group of Darren DeVries?
02:04:32
Speaker 7: Well, I'm intrigued about everything about this team right now because I think, first of all, we've seen them play three games already. None of those three games were played at Simon Scott Assembly Hall. So they're playing away from home in all three of these situations. Yesterday, they played a Western Kentucky team that was better than advertised probably from most people's perspective. They're a Conference USA team. They're expected to win the Conference USA championship this year because they.
02:05:00
Speaker 6: Do have the tools to do that.
02:05:02
Speaker 7: They've got a kid that's named Tegan Moore, who is just a terrific player, Redshirt Jr., who had hip surgery, I guess, a year ago prior to last season. And last season, he was averaging 18.7 points a game.
02:05:16
Speaker 6: He's 6'6.
02:05:18
Speaker 7: He's a big physical kid at 220 pounds, and he was tremendous yesterday against Indiana with 30 points. But the thing I'm pointing to here is we've seen Indiana play two games against Butler and North Carolina. And North Carolina, of course, is one of the blue bloods in the country. I don't think they're that good this year based on what we saw. But Indiana dominated these two ballgames in the second half of each. In this ballgame against Western Kentucky, they were down at halftime by a point or two. And then in the second half, Western Kentucky built an 11-point lead with about 12, 13 minutes to go in the ballgame, and Indiana had to fight their way back. And so what intrigues me about this ballclub right now, we still haven't seen— as much as we need to see before, of course, the real firing starts, other than the fact that, yeah, we've gotten an idea of what this team looks like.
02:06:11
Speaker 2: We know that they can rebound.
02:06:13
Speaker 7: That's probably their strength right now, where last year was probably their biggest weakness. So that part of it's different and new. And then I think on top of that, this roster is still very much in flux at this point, even though he started the same lineups in all three ballgames. We saw a freshman come in yesterday, the last five minutes of that ballgame, and make a difference because the rest of the group that started the ballgame, for the most part, wasn't really performing up to hoped-for expectations in this third ballgame of the exhibition part of the season. And so Darren DeVries went with the three freshmen, Sam Alexis and Bryce Lindsey, two guys that are veterans. Those two guys, along with those three freshmen, finished out that ballgame and found a way to win it. And that tells me that this roster is pretty deep, a lot deeper than what we saw a year ago. I think it also has more tools than they had a year ago. And I think that's going to make a big difference with this basketball program this season.
02:07:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks to me, Don, like he's going to have the flexibility to play a couple of different ways situationally.
02:07:20
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
02:07:21
Speaker 1: Because he's got guys who can do kind of different things depending on what the moment calls for in a game. I wanted to ask one other thing about Sam Alexis. To me, and I watched him in the Butler exhibition, this is a guy that is a veteran player that was really– kind of a go-to guy for Indiana in his time in Bloomington, but now probably is going to be playing more of a complementary role as maybe selling it light. But there are times where he is going to defer a lot on the floor, I think, when he's out there to other players. How do you think he's adjusted to that kind of newer role, if you will, as they have built the roster that's around him?
02:08:00
Speaker 7: Well, in my honest opinion of Sam Alexis, he's an unselfish guy, number one. He is not afraid to dish the ball off. He doesn't score a lot from outside. He's not looking to do that. He, to me, is one of those guys that does his job. He's supposed to go out there and rebound. He's supposed to be athletic and block shots. He did that yesterday as well. I think he had four blocks in the ballgame. I mean, that's pretty impressive for a 6'9 guy that is not supposedly to be a true post-type player. You know what I mean? I mean, that's what he is. He's a post player. That's his strength. But at the same time, he's an undersized post. Against these seven-footers and the people that you go up against in the Big Ten, sometimes he was at a disadvantage. But he doesn't try to overplay, if you.
02:08:54
Speaker 6: Know what I'm saying.
02:08:55
Speaker 7: He's one of those guys that literally does his job. He knows what his job is, and he's really good at it. And from that standpoint alone, I think he's going to be a huge factor for this Indiana ball club.
02:09:07
Speaker 2: You know, Eddie, it's like the two of us. We play within our limitations, but we have very clear limitations.
02:09:12
Speaker 6: Oh, that's right.
02:09:13
Speaker 2: That much we know.
02:09:14
Speaker 1: Again, Indiana and Eastern Illinois, a week from tonight from the basketball standpoint, 7 o'clock at the Assembly Hall, and it is Indiana and Minnesota coming up from the football side. 3.30 on Saturday pregame at 2.30 on this radio station. Don Fisher will be on the call for both. Don, appreciate it as always.
02:09:32
Speaker 7: Jake, thanks for having me.
02:09:33
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
02:09:34
Speaker 7: Just a note, we do have a broadcast tonight, Inside IU Basketball with Darren DeVries, our first talk show with the coach. So we'll have an opportunity to hear what he thinks about his exhibition team at this point.
02:09:44
Speaker 1: Okay, Inside IU Basketball, Darren DeVries, that is tonight. Eddie, what time will that air on this radio station?
02:09:50
Speaker 6: I'm not sure just yet.
02:09:51
Speaker 2: Okay, we will check on it.
02:09:54
Speaker 5: 7.05, boys.
02:09:54
Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Don, appreciate it as always. Thanks, guys. 7.05 tonight inside IU Basketball with Darren DeVries.
02:10:01
Speaker 6: We got Pacers pregame at 7.30, so that's why I was not sure. If we would air the first 25 minutes of that or take delay and play it later after in full.
02:10:10
Speaker 2: Pacers in action tonight.
02:10:11
Speaker 1: We did not talk a whole lot about what happened last night in Brooklyn, but Tyrese Alderburton says he's going to give it a go, right?
02:10:18
Speaker 6: Segababa tonight, yes.
02:10:19
Speaker 2: That's the second game of back-to-back, but nobody says that.
02:10:22
Speaker 6: Just like nobody says Brooklyn.
02:10:25
Speaker 2: Segababa. The Brooklyn thing is taking off. It's kind of like QR.
02:10:28
Speaker 6: Oh, no.
02:10:29
Speaker 5: Trust me. No.
02:10:30
Speaker 2: Trust me on this.
02:10:32
Speaker 1: I told you, I took a tour of New York City with my parents in 1994, and the guy, like, I don't know if it was like a Letterman bit, but he kept referring to Brooklyn as Brooklean on the tour, and he just kept repeatedly saying it, I think waiting for someone to ask why he kept saying Brooklean. On the right is Brooklean, and then you go back, on the left is Brooklean. He just kept saying it that way, and it's become a thing.
02:10:53
Speaker 2: For my parents and I. So my parents and I say it, Eddie, so how about that?
02:10:56
Speaker 1: 7.05 tonight inside IU Basketball with Darren DeVries.
02:11:00
Speaker 8: All right.
02:11:01
Speaker 2: JMB is, I believe, on remote Twin Peaks today.
02:11:04
Speaker 1: We will find out what he's got warming up as part of his big program as we cool things down here. The crossover brought to you by the good guys at Love Heating and Air is next. So, Eddie, I'm supposed to golf today, playing nine holes with my buddy Jeff Hester.
02:11:19
Speaker 10: How many.
02:11:21
Speaker 2: How many rounds do you think I have left here in this season?
02:11:24
Speaker 6: That's a great question. This weather is just fantastic.
02:11:26
Speaker 8: It is.
02:11:27
Speaker 2: I mean, but doesn't it feel like reality is just going to kick in at some point?
02:11:33
Speaker 6: I don't know. Take advantage of it while you can, Jake.
02:11:36
Speaker 1: Just got my registration for the drumstick dash as well. Hopefully the weather is warm for that because I do love the drumstick dash on Thanksgiving through broader pull to help out the great folks at Wheeler mission and move in our feet. So others can eat as we always say, but my, One concern about that is if it's too cold, but we shall see. I'll tell you what is cold, the beer at Twin Peaks. That much I know. It is always literally like ice cold. JMV will be there, I believe, later today for his program on remote.
02:12:08
Speaker 2: John, that's right.
02:12:10
Speaker 12: You're breaking news here.
02:12:11
Speaker 8: Am I?
02:12:12
Speaker 12: Wait a.
02:12:15
Speaker 5: Minute.
02:12:16
Speaker 12: I'm not there. I could be there.
02:12:18
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the board here. Am I wrong, Eddie, at what I'm looking at here on the left where it says remotes, JMV, Twin Peaks, Monday, Castleton?
02:12:24
Speaker 8: Yep.
02:12:26
Speaker 2: I'm wrong or I'm right.
02:12:27
Speaker 6: That's what I've got.
02:12:29
Speaker 8: Okay.
02:12:32
Speaker 12: I guess I'll be there.
02:12:33
Speaker 2: John, are you on the parking lot right now?
02:12:36
Speaker 12: Well, I pulled over to do your show.
02:12:39
Speaker 3: Honestly, this is good that this happened. So, yeah, because I'm glad to go, happy to go.
02:12:48
Speaker 1: And do you happen to have the Gandalf Financial Breaking News Sounder by chance? This just in, it appears as though John's going to be on remote at Twin Peaks later today.
02:13:00
Speaker 12: I am very excited about it. Hell, I got to go change my shirt. Now I got to go back home.
02:13:04
Speaker 2: That's right. What is on the big program today, John? Obviously.
02:13:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, me, I guess me at Twin Peaks with the lovelies and drinking some ice cold beer and eating scratch food and talking about yesterday's debacle and where they go from here and fielding calls, wanting to see. I'm actually a worse quarterback than the one that's been in the game for them as the starter.
02:13:24
Speaker 12: So, yeah, all those questions.
02:13:26
Speaker 3: Are you football pacers tonight?
02:13:28
Speaker 12: So I'm saying, hey, by the way, Jake, I'm going to see your guy tomorrow, too.
02:13:31
Speaker 2: I heard about that.
02:13:32
Speaker 4: Yep.
02:13:33
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, man, the best, right?
02:13:35
Speaker 3: They are. I think they're a little flabbergasted. I hadn't seen a doctor in the better part of 15 years.
02:13:43
Speaker 2: Okay, well, you know what?
02:13:45
Speaker 1: You'll go through the car wash and get the complete once-over, John. Don't be nervous about that. Where do you lie on Richardson slash Jones?
02:13:57
Speaker 2: What's your thought?
02:14:00
Speaker 3: There's a reason why Richardson doesn't play because he hasn't been good and because the coach doesn't trust him. The coach is still coaching for his job right now. And I doubt if he's going to put it. And, you know, listen, we can all say what we want about weed legalizing or not or whatever in Marion County, whatever in Hamilton County. But he got busted for weed. And I doubt if there's, you know, a head coach out there that's going to put. what he believes to be his future this season in the hands of somebody like that and go away from, from his daughter. So I listen, would I like to see Richardson for the entertainment value? I guess, but is it going to do anything for anybody, anything at all for this team? No, nothing whatsoever.
02:14:39
Speaker 12: It will do.
02:14:39
Speaker 1: So John Carly, or say Gordon calls you and says, Hey, we're going to trade everybody. And you get to pick the one player we have to hold on to.
02:14:48
Speaker 2: Who do you hold on to?
02:14:50
Speaker 3: The one player that they have to hold on to? It'd have to be Alec Pierce, I guess, right? Even though he's injured?
02:14:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess.
02:14:58
Speaker 3: Are you talking about guys that are– I like Josh Downs a great deal.
02:15:02
Speaker 2: I do, too.
02:15:02
Speaker 12: I don't think he gets– Tyler Warren? One of those three, I would imagine, right?
02:15:06
Speaker 1: I think Warren, maybe just based on the age, right? You know what I mean? The age and the contract, you'd want to see. Although, I feel like maybe– In the open space, you'd still like to see more out of him, but we shall see.
02:15:18
Speaker 12: Hey, Jake, by the way, are we sure I'm going to Twin Peaks? Are we positive? Is this confirmation?
02:15:24
Speaker 2: I'm just going off what Eddie tells me. Yes.
02:15:26
Speaker 8: Cool.
02:15:28
Speaker 3: You know, I should have made that appointment with Mottman today, and then I could have just buzzed around.
02:15:32
Speaker 12: What am I doing?
02:15:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. You'd be five minutes away, man.
02:15:35
Speaker 12: Five minutes away. Crud.
02:15:38
Speaker 3: Bad.
02:15:38
Speaker 2: Bad host.
02:15:38
Speaker 11: Darn it.
02:15:42
Speaker 2: Well, nonetheless. All right, John, we'll be listening. Wherever it is that you are, we'll be listening later. How's that?
02:15:47
Speaker 12: Wherever it is, Jake, I'll be there.
02:15:50
Speaker 2: I'll let you know. About 2.45, I'll check in and make sure you're in the right spot. All right, there we go. JMV getting his itinerary here live on the air. Got to love how we do that, right? It seems as though there's a lot of moving parts in terms of the programming of this station today.
02:16:06
Speaker 8: Right? Yeah.
02:16:08
Speaker 2: Is that a fair way of saying it?
02:16:09
Speaker 8: Yeah.
02:16:10
Speaker 6: Inside IU basketball with Darren DeVries will air after the completion of the Pacers game. So somewhere around 1130.
02:16:15
Speaker 2: Gotcha. Okay.
02:16:17
Speaker 1: So around 1130 is when that will air. Pacers in action tonight. We will discuss that there in Milwaukee, taking on Miles Turner and the rest of a bunch of guys you've never heard of for the Bucs. So we'll do it tomorrow at 10. We'll do it until 1. And I thank you, as always, for listening to Aquarian Company.
