INFORMAZIONI SU QUESTO EPISODIO
On this episode of Power Time, hosts Scott and Matt welcome Jennifer lowery from Microsoft’s Customer Zero team to discuss how AI is reshaping large-scale support. Jen shares stats from Microsoft Support and how CoPilot and multi-agent systems are being used across 92 contact centers.
They explore agentic capabilities like intent routing, process automation, case handling, and knowledge-harvesting agents that turn solved cases into reusable knowledge—boosting first-call resolution and reducing agent toil.
The conversation highlights human benefits: improved empathy, multilingual live translation, proactive outreach, and the vision of personal assistant agents that monitor and resolve issues automatically—raising CSAT and agent satisfaction.
Finally, they reflect on rapid adoption, real-world demos, and the next 12 months of innovation in contact centers driven by AI.
MOSTRA NOTE 🔗
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Hey everyone, welcome to Power Time. Let's have a listen to what's on today's show.
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And the other one, and this is also something that's inside of the contact center
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portfolio, is the agent for knowledge harvesting. And I will probably mess up
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the appropriate marketing term. You know, you guys can add it into it.
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Like there's somebody monitoring that something has gone wrong and they reach
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out to you or they reach out to your agent,
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you know, you know, this guy agent and like, they all sort it out for you and
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they let you know, say, Hey, we saw some, you know, like, you know,
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power cycling on your VM, we solved it.
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And like, you're, you know, you're, you're informed. But yes,
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I think we will get there. And I think we will get there faster than we think that we will.
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And again, given It's power time.
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Get ready. Let's go.
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Thank you.
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Hey everyone, welcome to Power Time. I'm really excited to introduce,
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actually, we will call Jen, as she's been back on the podcast now for the second
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time, our co-host for today. I think that's really appropriate.
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And with Matt as well, my other co-host. So Jen, welcome to a host on Power Time.
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That's what happens when you end up being on the show more than once. Of course.
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What do they say? No good deed goes unpunished, right? Yeah.
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For those who didn't listen to the first podcast, so you come to us from the
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Customer Zero team, which is one of the world's largest contact centers in Microsoft, of course.
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I will let you do the introduction, but the first podcast, everyone loved it. I will just say that.
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And we've got you back to talk about the contact center and the AI and things
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that's going through that at the moment and an update.
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But maybe just an intro, Jen, to the team, to people that haven't heard the
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first one. Yeah, well, first of all, just thank you to you and Matt for having me on again.
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I avoided all the swear words and stuff that it would embarrass me and keep
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me from getting invited back on.
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But I just have the pleasure of working in Microsoft support.
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So a little bit of the statistics on the size of Microsoft support.
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We're about 45,000 support agents strong.
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And, you know, we operate across 92 contact centers.
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And in those contact centers, we get a little over 1 billion consumers calling
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in and 10 million commercial customers.
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And so what that amounts to is about, I don't know, 300 million or more in contacts every year.
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And, you know, I think seeing Microsoft is growing substantially.
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And so the volume also grows.
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And so how do we use technology, this gift that is AI, to be able to serve our customers?
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And so it's just an amazing responsibility that we get to run here in Microsoft Support.
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So did you say 1 billion? Yes. That's just, yeah.
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In Australia, we have a population of 30 million, so to fathom a billion people
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calling into a contact center, that's just a big number.
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It is. It's a bit big. Yeah, a little less than 10% of the world's population
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is in some form or fashion probably calling into us.
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Yeah. Or you could see that as a bad thing, Jennifer, which is,
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you know, there's a large chunk of people calling in with problems about Microsoft Kits.
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So what's the majority of the calls and things that kind of come in?
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You know, it's a great question. And we get so much range.
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So we will get everything from a parent calling in because their 13-year-old
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son had gotten a hold of their credit card and decided to charge a whole bunch of Xbox credits.
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Not to say that that happened, personally.
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My son i will protect his innocence to an
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extent all the way up to we'll get questions on
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just high frequency trading applications that are running on azure and you know
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you don't you know we do some filtering so you're going to get you know consumer
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customers you know coming into consumer support engineers and then your azure
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support engineers but the technology isn't getting more simple,
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right? It's getting, you know, more complex.
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So, you know, and you know this because, you know, you talk to customers about
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the technology and it's not getting easier for you guys either.
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Yeah, a lot of changes at the moment and particularly around AI and agents. And I think as well, the,
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the way that we kind of look at technology now is
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is in particularly in ai is becoming
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a little bit more mature i wouldn't say it's mature yet
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but um you know we're starting to look at multi-agents as
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trying to set up problems for us whether it's before it was
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kind of let's just work on prompting and come up with a
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really good way to get something back out of the large language model now
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we've moved into this this kind of world where
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we can actually get agents to do things on our behalf and what if
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we have multiple agents all running off and doing things and bringing
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data back to like a master agent and what would that look like
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and can we bring data back into different applications so
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that and we're you know really surprised at how accurate some of this stuff
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is as well and and how much it really saves time for our customers so yeah the
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next 12 months i think is going to be a real real testament to the work that
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everyone's created of course you guys were the first in the world, I think,
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to roll out CoPilot in a large way.
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Yeah, Customer Zero, which is why we call you Customer Zero.
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So we're talking two years on now. How's it all going?
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Yeah, well, I love that you mentioned the rise of the agentic capabilities because
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when we were talking last year, we talked in the context of how is CoPilot allowing
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our agents to become super agents.
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And that has evolved. So now when you look at the whole case flow,
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so in the world of support, we are now seeing process automation.
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So pieces of the case, one of the most important things is making sure that
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you have the customer intent connected appropriately with the right support engineer.
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So being able to leverage AI to do that, What that does is it translates into
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a much higher first call resolution. So you're not having to pass them off to other customers.
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And so these are all parts of the whole process that are fully automated.
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And then even some of the more toilsome things, I remember when I came on last
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time, I talked about, you know, we were very intentional about our design principles.
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There are so many different use cases that you could launch with Copilot that
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you can kind of get overwhelmed.
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And so for us, we said first, we want to make sure that we are removing the agent friction.
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We call it over here in the United States, agent toil. I know we joked about
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how toil means in Australia, so we're not at your vacation, don't you worry.
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But one of the other agentic capabilities is this whole case handling process.
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And for our support engineers, the reason why we hire them and recruit them
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is they are really good at solving tough problems under pressure.
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And so once that process is complete, once they've found the solution,
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like the paperwork, the follow-up, making sure that the customer has,
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in fact, remedied the issue and being able to close out the case,
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that paperwork, that's always so fun.
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And so we also now have this process automation around case handling where the
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agentic capabilities is doing that on behalf of our support engineers.
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So again, removing that agent friction. So it's just so cool to see the technology move so fast as well.
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I love that one. For anyone that doesn't like admin, I hate admin.
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So going to go in a meeting and then being able to populate my case,
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that case agent sounds something that would be of very interest to a lot of people.
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And you also touched on intent routing and that intent routing agent.
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I guess, what are the sort of other technologies that you're sort of excited about?
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You may not have enabled them yet within your contact center,
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but what are some of the other features that you've kind of seen that you're
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really interested in obviously exploring in the next 12 months? Yeah.
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You know, the other one, and this is also something that's inside
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of the contact center portfolio is the
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agent for knowledge harvesting and
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i will probably mess up the appropriate marketing term
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you know you guys can add it into the show notes but you know what happens so
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frequently is if you look at support over 90 of the issues have been seen before
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and you know we have ingested from our knowledge corpus all of the release notes,
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the training materials, the product documentation, to be able to help our support
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engineers resolve those problems quickly.
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But what do you do with the 10% where there is not yet knowledge articles available
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for those support engineers to use to solve the problem?
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And we run into this conflict between competing goals.
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Our support engineers, the two things that they care the most about is making
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sure that they have happy customers.
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So CSAT, you know, they want to make sure that their customers' issues are resolved.
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And also making sure that you're clearing the queue, you know, your backlog.
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And so those kind of behaviors, sometimes when you prioritize those,
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it means that when you close out a case that didn't have a knowledge article already available,
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even though you know for future support engineers, you should go write a knowledge
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article that documents all of that stuff that you've done, but that doesn't get handled very often.
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And so what's so cool now is our knowledge management agent can look at the
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flow of the support case, and it could suggest and write the knowledge management article.
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Now, it's so important. We talked a lot about the important ecosystem that you
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need to build where you've got knowledge management custodians that are making
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sure that that asset is appropriate to be incorporated.
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But again, just a game changer of how do you increase the knowledge that's out
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there to solve issues. So isn't that fun?
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Do you think we'll have an agent to kind of do, to be that custodian rather
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than have a person in the middle for that process?
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You know, potentially, I, you know, I don't, don't know just yet.
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You know, there, I, I'm, things are moving so quickly that I imagine the next time we talk.
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You know, potentially, you know, I don't think we're there yet,
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but it's just because we want to make sure that the knowledge articles that
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we have is to a really high level.
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I don't know if you guys remember me talking about this, but when we first ingested
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all of our knowledge articles back a couple of years ago, we ingested 1.1 million knowledge articles.
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And that whole adage that we say of garbage in, garbage out,
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a whole lot of, you know, garbage.
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So we had to go through and cull everything.
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So we want to maintain that high level. So I think we're just being more careful
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about, you know, what gets incorporated into the knowledge base.
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Yeah, stay tuned for more.
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Yeah, looking forward to seeing how agents can support that moving forward.
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I was talking to a learned colleague actually in Seattle around the contact
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center and some comments that we were kind of talking about was,
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you know, the future of the contact center, we have an application
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that humans use and with the advent of agents
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agents are going to go do a lot of the actions so yes
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what we're thinking is you know why do you need contact center
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kind of solution for the 90 that you already have an answer for of calls coming
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into the contact center so what about your digital deflection because i can
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see a world where you know someone gets onto a chatbot and the agent just goes
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and resolves it doesn't even need to go to the contact center i Just go out,
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come back, and it's sold. Yes.
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I'm excited about that as well. In fact, if you think about this,
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when a customer calls in to support, that is the last resort.
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I don't know about you guys, but I always do the mode, you know?
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The best contact center is one that no one calls.
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So that's the theory. I'm on Teams meetings chatting to the live chat trying
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to solve my problems and I'm on calls that I'm just attending and stuff like that.
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So if you see me doing this, it's because I'm trying to pay my phone bill or
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trying to get something like that.
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Of course. Do you ever do this where you'll actually race to see which mode
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can fix your problem faster where you'll try chatbot and then you actually call up?
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I did that recently where I was just kind of curious who was going to solve the issue faster.
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That's awesome. You've told me a loophole about contacting sales and that gets
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you through faster than anything.
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I've used that before. So thank you on that one, Jennifer. We'll close that loop now.
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Yes, we'll be talking about some other vendor. Yes.
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So a reminder of what Matt is talking about is this was a funny sort of surprise
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when we were first rolling out our agent determination. It was on voice.
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So when customers were calling in for issues...
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We suddenly saw a dramatic change in the volume demand.
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So particularly our inside sales volume dropped precipitously.
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And what we had found out was human behavior was taking over,
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where people believed correctly so that they would get access to a person sooner
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if that person was implying that they wanted to make a sale.
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Now, what ended up happening is the moment you talked to that warm body,
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they realize that oh you need an issue with
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support and they will pass you over to support so the issue
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doesn't get resolved faster so in that process
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you know we worked through making sure that
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we had the right team staff for the for
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the call intent yeah interesting did that were you was your team a part of the
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i'm trying to think of the name of it mate you might be able to remind me there
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was a a clive agent that was created that was fixing the you know the cables
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and and whatnot around the world, the fiber cables that run.
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So those fiber cables have a whole bunch of faults and things that come into a contact center.
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And they were able to create an agent that automated that process and made it
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extremely more streamlined pretty much overnight.
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Was your team a part of that, Jeff?
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So part of CSS was I was not specifically involved.
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A few things that my team had gotten involved in is other issues,
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Other sort of quirky issues like the Xbox.
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I'm not sure if you guys knew this, but not Xbox. There was a hardware device
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where the resolution to fix it was actually to put it in the refrigerator or the freezer.
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And so these, we had, I know, something about, you know, putting it into a cold
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environment would help with some of the
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temperature issues that we were experiencing. This was a long time ago.
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And, you know, those are kind of their volume based inquiries.
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And so being able to help resolve things through agents, through voice agents.
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So we've done it through that. We've done a few other ones with power cycling.
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But but my team wasn't particularly involved on the
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on the cables but a lot of the other kind of you know
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similar low complexity issues where you know agents have
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been able to take out the volume so yeah because i
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guess you could you could look at all of
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the calls that come into the contact center now whether it be a digital channel
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or voice channel and kind of bulk those together and
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go is there a possibility that we can create an agent that would
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would actually go and resolve this before we
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you know in the years of old if you go back years of
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old two years ago we would have looked at you
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know what are your top three or four inquiries coming to the contact center
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and you know for a lot of organizations reset my password kind of stuff and
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then we'd go why don't you put a chatbot up and you know we can resolve that
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really quickly just through you know a power automate flow or something in the
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background with power virtual agent back in the day and that was out what we did.
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Now, though, we can look at that at really complex.
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So we could probably go down to, you know, what are your top 50 calls that come
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into the contact center, and then look at agents, how they can really address that entire span.
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And I think that's really the big win.
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My team did a demo recently for a financial institution in Australia,
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where we did multi-agent onboarding, and it was really sophisticated.
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I was really surprised at how we could get that business process and really
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make it work. So I guess my question here is,
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Do you regularly do that? Do you check at these processes and then assess them
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of whether an agent can kind of resolve that end-to-end?
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Or is it something that you review all the time? Yes, I mean, absolutely.
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And I'll tell you, a lot of the work now, if you think about this next phase
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that we're in before, the phase was IT is going to give you these features built
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into dynamics, which we use things like case summary, you know, writing an email.
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Now, and this is perfectly aligning with Satya's vision that he expressed last
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week at MECAP Start, that, you know, we are, you know, the software factory for the planet.
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But it's taking it one further where we are creating the factory for people
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to create software built for their specific needs.
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And so we're starting to see where our support engineers are creating agents that.
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For their specific tasks, right? So like one, you know, one specific example
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is, you know, we have a support manager that wants to make sure that he is being
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supportive to his support engineers.
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And so he's able to create agents to help him prepare for in-depth one-on-ones
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where, you know, he's got the backlog of case cues to be able to look at.
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And so that shortens his prep time dramatically, and it also allows him to be
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present and engaged with his support engineers.
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And so, you know, it's no longer, you know, being fed these specific features.
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But, you know, the agentic capabilities that you have across the portfolio,
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it's really all about your creativity. In fact, I think one of your guests that
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you had on a few weeks ago talked about that, both the creativity as well as the taste, right?
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You need to have both creativity and good. Dara, the taste, yeah.
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It's interesting you touched on something there, which Matt and I have been
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talking about of late, which is, you know, AI can improve the human connection a lot.
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And the example we used was, I think it was my wife, I've got to remember,
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But anyway, she went to a new doctor and the doctor used AI to do case summaries and notes.
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And it meant that the doctor could 100% focus on her rather than be sitting
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there taking notes all day.
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And I think this is the thing, right? Like if, and I'm seeing it in management as well.
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If we can help us through what we have, our internal kind of performance connects
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and things, If we can use AI to kind of help us bring all that manual data input
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together and then allow us to spend more time with the people,
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I think human connection will be really improved because if you think about
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it and everyone that's listening in thinks about it,
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you spend a lot of time on devices and you're distracted.
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You're not in the moment with people. And AI kind of allows that.
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And I'm glad that, you know, this is the second story now where I've heard that,
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you know, people are thinking about that. It's so true.
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And I love that, that, you know, with your wife and her talking to her medical
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professional, I've said this in the context of our support community.
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AI, a piece of technology, is allowing us to be more empathetic.
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So I'll give you an example. Yeah. You know, particularly in our consumer space
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where they do so much more in volume.
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And a lot of times when customers are calling in, they're calling in because
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they're having a bad day. You know, like they've been locked out of their account.
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They don't have access to their family photos.
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And our support engineers, they absorb that. And also their empathy bucket,
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if you will, it's a technical term.
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It's not going to be the same at 8 o'clock in the morning as it is at 4 p.m. at night.
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And so what co-pilot and AI is doing is allowing them to be more human, right?
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It's carrying the burden for them. It's not inauthentic.
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So it's such a surprise, right, because you always think about AI as being inhuman.
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And robotic, but to your point, Scott, it is so, so, so much more in terms of
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benefiting both patients, customers, as well as, you know, professionals.
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So yeah on our last podcast we
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had the ceo of kids help line on on
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the podcast and we spoke a lot about their contact center
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which runs on microsoft technology and you
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know the difference for them is that they can see more they can see
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more children the counselors can have a better conversation and
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you know we raised do we think we'll ever be in a position where
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ai will do more more of that frontline counseling
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just so we can you know talk to more more help more
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kids and they're kind of working through that like
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it wasn't it wasn't tracy said it wasn't a definite
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like no we'll never do that we'll always have uh
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it's kind of a person there it's just like what's best for the kids
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and how can we how can we help them so i
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think this kind of mixed ai human in the contact
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center kind of relationship that we have now i
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can actually see a lot of benefits for people at
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the end of that which is surprising because when
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we first kind of launched it was like oh we're going to automate everything and just
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put ai in front of everyone or no it's actually we're actually
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seeing some really good results now yeah i think jennifer i think jennifer touched
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on that in her first podcast as well part of the benefits of ai is being her
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new staff members are more supported as well they're more comfortable in taking
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these calls so there's a really like human empathetic element to actual internal
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staff not just the external customers that are coming through So.
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And again, Tracy from your town.
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Providing that information to the counsellors, again, the kids are getting better support.
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The counselors are more comfortable as well when providing that service.
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So, again, it really resonated with me more turning to Tracy and it took me
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a trip down memory lane to our initial kind of conversation,
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Jennifer, as well. So, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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Like I'm not sure if I can meet Trixie.
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Her conversation sounds amazing in terms of what they're doing for the community.
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Yeah, definitely, 100%.
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So we're kind of two years on. How's the CSAC going for your internal employees?
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And, you know, are they still super excited about the role? Yes.
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Yeah, absolutely. But both, you know, internal agent satisfaction and also we've
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had a high watermark for our CSAT as well.
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You know, when I talked about, you know, some of the, you know,
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any of your support organizations are really measured across three areas.
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It's your cost, right?
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You know, most of your contact centers run as a percentage of GNL, a percentage of GNA.
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So, you know, you never get more money the following year. obviously
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also your customers and also your agent experience and
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so you know with ai and we're seeing it with
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the results it is impacting all
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of those three metrics in a positive way you
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know but if you think about some of the other transformations that you know
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we've had over the last 25 years many of those were you know cost-cutting measures
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you know i would say that with the exception of say covid where everybody suddenly
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got to work from home in their pajamas which also it was a cost-effective measure
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because we weren't paying for getting an AC.
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I don't know, my super budget went down.
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Matt's just in the comments right now, I'm sure.
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No comment.
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But yeah, look, I'll tell you that where we're going with some of the next capabilities,
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I mentioned the Agenta capabilities, but AI,
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conversational AI, it's very good in language, particularly around translation and,
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And what we've started to work, and this is now in GA instead of Microsoft Teams,
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is this ability to do live translation.
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So you can now be having a conversation, a technical conversation in Mandarin.
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And, you know, on the other end, you know, you're speaking in French or Italian.
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By the way, I was also curious about if it would translate between Australian
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English and American English. It doesn't do that yet.
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Okay. I really need that because a funny story, when we're in Seattle,
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we're walking down one of the main streets and we just wanted some Australian
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food because it is a lot different to American food.
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And we see this shop that says the best pies ever. And I've gone.
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Meat pies. What are we doing? Meat pie. Meat pies. It's going to be awesome.
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We walk in there, we open up the menu and it's full of pizzas.
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And I've gone, since where is a pizza?
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A pie? Australia isn't known for pizza. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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We're very disappointed. we can test
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that ai by the word toil yeah we'll put toil in and
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we'll see if it translate the australian version of toil to the american soil
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we've got the word to test it with to see if it works so we
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can do it that way so it's interesting i know we're not allowed to talk about
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most stuff that went on at mcap start but there was one demo i want to bring
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up in particular which was seth's demo i don't remember it he demoed uh talking
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to advanced ai that was interacting directly with a shop, I think,
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at the time, and it was flipping between, you know, Japanese and English and
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things like that, and you're getting a pause in the audience because it was so accurate. Yeah.
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Phenomenal. We saw an iteration of that, I think, at Ignite or maybe the last
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MCAP star, but now, Matt, I know you haven't seen the demo, but it was really
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good. I'm building it now.
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How good the language translation is and things.
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Yeah, we're literally building it now. We've got a big CCAS event.
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I think you're actually dialing in for Jen as well, I think.
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So we're doing that at the moment. We're kind of the scenario of like you're
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a university student and you obviously speak some English as well.
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But I go, hey, my natural language is this.
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Do you mind if I have this conversation here? And it flips across to that natural language.
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So again, we're in the process of building that out now.
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And again, I think it's really cool. But that kind of spawned from the idea
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that we were chatting on Teams a while back. and that's what you were talking
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about, this multilingual language translation. I was like, oh,
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I need to play with that. That sounds super cool.
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So yeah, you spawned my demo. So thank you.
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So that must help a lot because I can imagine if someone rings in,
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you know, who only speaks Mandarin,
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you've then got a route to someone that only speaks Mandarin and then they've
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got to have, you know, an open queue for that to happen. Otherwise,
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you might have long wait times.
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Have you seen like a,
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you know, I guess a bump in CSAT for people who don't speak English in their
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contact center because you can do that kind of thing?
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Yeah, it's a great question. So we're still early days in this and the preliminary
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feedback is very positive in terms of CSAT.
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So high CSAT, no DSAT. We also measure DSAT.
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For the next six months, we will probably have lots more exciting stuff to talk about.
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But I mean, to your point of like, you know, having all of those attributes matched up in time.
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So not only, you know, both being able to speak the same language in the same
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time zone with capacity, but then also the technology.
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And, you know, I talked about this earlier, like the technology is not getting easier.
00:28:09.132 --> 00:28:12.832
So you've got across Azure, you know, people will argue about like upwards of
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like 70 different potential technologies.
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And that's just Azure, Right.
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You have all of our other applications as well. Like that's just incredibly complex.
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And, you know, sometimes, you know, the best possible engineer for the job doesn't
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speak the language. And so this is now an ability to be able to both reduce
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cost, but also increase customer set because what do they want?
00:28:35.832 --> 00:28:38.512
They want their issue solved quickly, you know.
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I didn't think about that. That's a really good point. Access to people that,
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you know, have the right skill set but can't communicate. That's a fantastic use case for it.
00:28:52.409 --> 00:28:56.409
So looking forward, what are you most excited about?
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Is there some use cases that you're going to tackle that might help our customers
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that are listening in that are thinking the same thing?
00:29:03.349 --> 00:29:06.569
Yeah. And this is, you know, if I was, you know, boss for a day.
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The thing that I'm really excited about as a potential and is,
00:29:12.289 --> 00:29:17.889
again, I mentioned that inside of support, we are frequently a cost center.
00:29:18.529 --> 00:29:24.869
But because we're in this position of being able to help out customers and we
00:29:24.869 --> 00:29:28.269
understand potentially there's resiliency issues,
00:29:28.269 --> 00:29:34.589
things that they could potentially benefit from in terms of new products that
00:29:34.589 --> 00:29:37.069
would make sense for what their estate is.
00:29:37.860 --> 00:29:45.620
With now the agents presenting potentially, I'll call it upsell opportunities to that customer.
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Now, of course, you have to do it appropriately.
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You don't, when the customer calls in and they say, my VM isn't working,
00:29:52.020 --> 00:29:55.940
you don't say, hey, can I sell you something, you know, like UltraDisk?
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That's not the time to do that.
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But being able to present suggestions of, hey, here's an opportunity that you may consider.
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Like, I'll give you one example. it's a pretty
00:30:07.520 --> 00:30:11.620
straightforward example if somebody's got a m365
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family plan but they notice
00:30:14.600 --> 00:30:20.300
that there's only one you know account or one user that's an example of where
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the customer is not getting you know full value for what they're purchasing
00:30:25.560 --> 00:30:29.560
and that is classic customer success it's not selling them more but making sure
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that they are getting the value for what they bought from Microsoft.
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And so, you know, being able to present that to a support engineer that is probably
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more wired for, I need to fix this issue and move on to the other.
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So that's kind of that overarching theme of how do you change your support organization
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into an adoption organization that drives not only sustaining and maintaining
00:30:53.600 --> 00:30:55.880
the revenue, but potentially growing it.
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And I'm hearing some of my colleagues I talked to outside of Microsoft,
00:31:00.100 --> 00:31:03.440
in support leadership capacities, also thinking about that as a potential.
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:06.660
So how about you? Are you seeing that from the people that you're talking to in Oz?
00:31:07.370 --> 00:31:12.110
Yeah, we are. I mean, one of the things that we noticed about a year ago was,
00:31:12.230 --> 00:31:17.390
if you look at the engineering org, both sales and service now report up into
00:31:17.390 --> 00:31:19.470
Jeff Comstock and then through to Charles.
00:31:19.670 --> 00:31:24.410
And those products, we've seen technology kind of coexist between the two dynamics
00:31:24.410 --> 00:31:25.830
apps, if that makes sense.
00:31:25.990 --> 00:31:29.330
So they're leveraging sales and customer service and vice versa.
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Because we're thinking that, you know, AI is a really great use case for sales.
00:31:33.850 --> 00:31:36.750
And at the moment, everyone kind of looks at it for customer service.
00:31:36.930 --> 00:31:41.830
But I can definitely see in the future that, you know, a customer service agent
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will be able to create a marketing journey.
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Perhaps in the moment as you're chatting to, you know, IVR or a chatbot,
00:31:50.810 --> 00:31:55.330
it can make suggestions real time about perhaps products and things like that.
00:31:55.470 --> 00:31:58.430
So it's interesting that you're going on that journey as well because I think.
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That's what we're seeing in the market.
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Kind of lean towards and i think there's a
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really good use case everyone hates cold calling i think
00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:10.379
there's a really good use case for automated kind
00:32:10.379 --> 00:32:13.819
of cold calling i just don't know initial screen initial
00:32:13.819 --> 00:32:17.379
screen or something like that just vetting if they are interested and then having
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a human call out where it's a slightly more than just a cold it's slightly warm
00:32:21.479 --> 00:32:25.659
yeah i think that's going to be quite interesting yeah we had this huge scandal
00:32:25.659 --> 00:32:30.379
in australia where it It was called the robocall problem where basically our,
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I don't know what's our version at Centrelink in the US, it would be social
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security, I think. Okay, yeah.
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Kind of just auto-dialed everyone and sent them a message saying they owed a
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debt and they didn't actually owe a debt. So it was really bad.
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A lot of people went into a lot of mental health problems and all sorts of things.
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So I think there's a sensitivity around outbound dialing with AI that it gets it wrong.
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But I definitely think we'll get there because it's a job that,
00:32:56.799 --> 00:32:59.959
you know just humans don't like doing yeah i know i
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know it's it nobody likes rejection you know
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yes no no one
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likes that yeah you can tell me i was on the dating apps before so i'm after
00:33:10.679 --> 00:33:17.739
chatting to advanced voice i could definitely see a day where ai could convince
00:33:17.739 --> 00:33:20.359
me to buy something i didn't want to buy i'm just gonna have to go i don't want
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to chat to the ai because it's going to sell me something and I want it to.
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Very good. Another scenario that we're exploring is
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sort of like proactive outbound when it comes to like student retention at universities
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as well. So that would be college over there, Jen.
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So if your grades are slipping or you haven't attended some classes and something
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like that, how do you be proactive, get in contact with the student,
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make sure they're okay, all of those types of things.
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So again, I think those proactive use cases, I think AI is getting to a point
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where it can look at data and make really informed decisions to be more proactive
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when it comes to support and outbound and reach.
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So yeah, interested to see if you're seeing that stuff in the US as well.
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Yeah, I mean, we're seeing, in that piece around picking up your clientele,
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your community that's at risk,
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not so much a use case that we're seeing inside of support here,
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but over the last year, I've spent a significant amount of time in Europe,
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and there are statutory laws around making sure that you, your citizenship needs.
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Identifying citizenships at risk, and I will probably miss on some of the details, I'll summarize.
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But when an agent at the municipality gets an incoming call from a citizen,
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they are trained to listen for certain things that the citizen says that potentially
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puts them at risk, right? Right.
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And we know that agents are human.
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Sometimes they miss on that. And so being able to have that extra pair of ears,
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they're listening for it, especially when it comes to, you know,
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protecting your most vulnerable.
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So, these are people calling into, you know, say the equivalents,
00:35:10.770 --> 00:35:13.110
you know, Social Security or your utilities.
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And so, you are starting to see that, you know, be done to protect folks that
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need protecting, right?
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You know, not taking advantage of it. But we also know that,
00:35:20.810 --> 00:35:26.950
you know, AI has a potential for, you know, insanity like you guys mentioned with it. Yeah.
00:35:27.850 --> 00:35:32.570
Well, I mean, the FSI customers were seeing that as a use case as well that
00:35:32.570 --> 00:35:36.710
they're looking at, which is can they do screening or it's kind of the AI on
00:35:36.710 --> 00:35:40.070
the shoulder, you know. saying that, you know, something's been said or it shouldn't
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have been said, or he's, it's for that person.
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Based off regulatory compliance during those calls. Yeah.
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Do you think, do you think Microsoft will get to a point where now that we've
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released sort of agent-to-agent communications for MCP,
00:35:56.070 --> 00:35:59.890
do you think that we'll get to a point where I'll kind of have an agent,
00:36:00.050 --> 00:36:02.090
which is my, almost like a personal assistant,
00:36:02.690 --> 00:36:06.670
and, you know, I've got an Azure VM down and I just go, can you just ping Microsoft
00:36:06.670 --> 00:36:11.410
and resolve it, and then that agent will connect to the contact center agent,
00:36:11.610 --> 00:36:14.050
and they'll just sort it out. Yes.
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Do you think that's possible? Mind-blowing. I know. That will happen.
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That will happen. In fact, I think there will be also this point where –,
00:36:22.593 --> 00:36:27.053
your agent doesn't even have to do it. Like there's somebody monitoring that
00:36:27.053 --> 00:36:31.153
something has gone wrong and they reach out to me or they reach out to your
00:36:31.153 --> 00:36:36.013
agent, you know, you know, this, this guy agent and like, they all sort it out for you.
00:36:36.133 --> 00:36:38.813
And they let you know and say, Hey, we saw some, you know, like,
00:36:39.073 --> 00:36:41.813
you know, power cycling on your VM, we solved it.
00:36:42.313 --> 00:36:45.493
And like, you're, you know, you're, you're informed, but yes,
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I think we will get there. And I think we will get there faster than we think that we will.
00:36:49.973 --> 00:36:52.293
And again, given how fast everything is moving.
00:36:53.133 --> 00:36:56.573
Well, yeah, if you think about like what we were talking about earlier about,
00:36:56.733 --> 00:36:58.753
you know, what are all the processes in the contact center?
00:36:58.933 --> 00:37:03.593
Well, what are all the inquiries that are coming in that are now solvable with an agent?
00:37:03.973 --> 00:37:08.213
And then, yeah, rather than have anyone even ring the contact center or chat
00:37:08.213 --> 00:37:10.913
or anything, just have your own agent, just ping it.
00:37:11.213 --> 00:37:13.953
And just go and resolve it. So that'd be great.
00:37:14.113 --> 00:37:18.373
Microsoft could release a support agent that I can install and it just sits
00:37:18.373 --> 00:37:23.133
there and monitors everything and then things supportive it needs to. That's probably that.
00:37:24.013 --> 00:37:27.413
I would say that would be the ultimate in a similar experience. I know.
00:37:27.553 --> 00:37:32.933
That would be the pinnacle. It would be the pinnacle. And it would be a vastly superior experience.
00:37:33.113 --> 00:37:35.733
And remember when Clippy was trying to help us right over?
00:37:36.113 --> 00:37:39.973
I love Clippy. I love Clippy. I love Clippy. So yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:37:40.013 --> 00:37:44.573
I've got my team kickoff in a week, and I'm going to go on to Vivo and see if
00:37:44.573 --> 00:37:46.653
I can create a Clippy something. Yeah.
00:37:47.793 --> 00:37:50.513
That video software that Google released a few weeks ago.
00:37:51.347 --> 00:37:54.267
I know i know well yeah just speaking
00:37:54.267 --> 00:37:57.127
of the like your your personal use of you know how you
00:37:57.127 --> 00:38:00.207
are leveraging you know ai to make yourself more sophisticated you
00:38:00.207 --> 00:38:03.267
talked about your upcoming off-site so how are you guys
00:38:03.267 --> 00:38:09.187
using ai in cool ways you know i either professionally or personally yeah yeah
00:38:09.187 --> 00:38:12.867
well it's timely because we're going through it now so maybe i'll go first matt
00:38:12.867 --> 00:38:19.267
so i use it personally i use across chat grok and gemini for different things
00:38:19.267 --> 00:38:21.387
and to see you know So for most things,
00:38:21.567 --> 00:38:25.127
if I've got to ask a question or even learning, I use it a lot for learning.
00:38:25.327 --> 00:38:27.827
For work, we're using it for account planning.
00:38:28.087 --> 00:38:32.167
So researcher, which is our agent internally, go and, you know.
00:38:32.827 --> 00:38:36.227
Look at these accounts, look at the data and come back and tell us where we
00:38:36.227 --> 00:38:37.387
think the opportunities are.
00:38:37.647 --> 00:38:40.167
We use it for summarization all the time.
00:38:40.727 --> 00:38:45.987
Rewording emails is nearly every email now. I think I run Copilot over it first
00:38:45.987 --> 00:38:50.467
and just a whole bunch of admin kind of tasks and things like that.
00:38:50.627 --> 00:38:55.847
So I would say I use AI a lot for my day at the moment.
00:38:56.267 --> 00:38:59.187
And there's a huge saving in time, huge.
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I don't think we could do the kind of transformation that we're going through
00:39:04.007 --> 00:39:06.487
right now without it. That's for sure. Yeah, absolutely.
00:39:06.947 --> 00:39:10.507
Certainly couldn't live without it now. It's like a mobile.
00:39:10.967 --> 00:39:14.027
How about you, Matt? I've been using it in some really curious ways.
00:39:14.427 --> 00:39:17.247
I can't even remember the day we didn't have AI. I'm at that point now where
00:39:17.247 --> 00:39:21.607
I'm using it so much that I just can't fathom the fact that we didn't have this
00:39:21.607 --> 00:39:24.207
technology before. It's actually scary.
00:39:25.249 --> 00:39:28.649
Personally at home, I've been playing a lot. Did you play that Wordle game through
00:39:28.649 --> 00:39:31.149
the New York Times or something like that? I've tried to avoid it.
00:39:31.149 --> 00:39:33.129
My husband plays it. Yeah.
00:39:33.989 --> 00:39:38.809
So my girlfriend got me into it, and I'm super competitive, and I was in like a 10-day Wordle.
00:39:38.929 --> 00:39:41.909
I couldn't figure this thing out, so I screenshotted it because I didn't want
00:39:41.909 --> 00:39:43.849
to lose that day. I was up to my last turn.
00:39:43.989 --> 00:39:47.509
I put that into AI, and it gave me the final word so I could keep going.
00:39:47.809 --> 00:39:51.029
So, yeah, if she's listening, I'm sorry. I cheated.
00:39:51.589 --> 00:39:54.809
Yeah, I was going to say, that's not good. That's what you call cheating, man.
00:39:56.969 --> 00:40:00.649
I was on like a 10-day streak. I didn't want to lose the streak.
00:40:00.869 --> 00:40:04.049
I was pulling my hair out and it was ruining my day. You let the secrets out.
00:40:04.609 --> 00:40:07.729
Yeah. That's just the answer in the back of the book, you know.
00:40:09.149 --> 00:40:14.009
I'm just shocked. I am shocked at just how good the models are getting as we're going.
00:40:14.009 --> 00:40:20.709
But I'm also shocked at how quickly my technical team will grab the new technology.
00:40:20.709 --> 00:40:27.649
But basically, MCP released the next day we build a multi-agent demo and we're
00:40:27.649 --> 00:40:30.209
hitting the product team and they're going, no one is doing this.
00:40:30.269 --> 00:40:31.849
What are you doing? It's quite crazy.
00:40:32.109 --> 00:40:38.609
So like it's just running so fast to adopt the new technology and then get it out to customers.
00:40:38.609 --> 00:40:42.329
And if any partners are listening to this, I think there's a huge opportunity
00:40:42.329 --> 00:40:48.489
but to sync with what we're doing because I think the gap between what partners
00:40:48.489 --> 00:40:52.249
traditionally delivered and what we're actually delivering now is very different and Matt,
00:40:52.389 --> 00:40:55.329
you would have seen that over the last 12 months, yeah.
00:40:56.029 --> 00:40:57.369
Yeah, we're building a lot of stuff.
00:40:57.549 --> 00:41:01.609
We've kind of re-visioned how we were designing solutions in the past.
00:41:01.789 --> 00:41:04.409
So yeah, it's a really exciting time and like you said before,
00:41:04.509 --> 00:41:05.749
Jen, there's so much happening at the moment.
00:41:05.889 --> 00:41:09.069
You're just consistently learning and evolving and changing because this AI
00:41:09.069 --> 00:41:14.969
stuff is changing by the weeks almost, not even months, it's weeks. So it is super cool.
00:41:15.229 --> 00:41:19.069
So before we sort of wrap up, oh, sorry, you go. No, the thing I was going to
00:41:19.069 --> 00:41:22.669
tell you is my personally, just kind of a plus one to your point. Yeah, yeah.
00:41:23.143 --> 00:41:25.863
Of you know all that stuff is moving so fast and it's nothing
00:41:25.863 --> 00:41:28.943
that you have to compile right it's all low code no code
00:41:28.943 --> 00:41:31.643
you know clickable user enemies vibe coding is
00:41:31.643 --> 00:41:36.443
huge at the moment everyone vibe coding yeah and
00:41:36.443 --> 00:41:41.003
so the point of that like the vibe coding but the microsoft researcher so let
00:41:41.003 --> 00:41:46.663
me tell you you know my recent example you know one thing that we need to do
00:41:46.663 --> 00:41:50.923
to make sure that you know our businesses are solid is we need that red teaming
00:41:50.923 --> 00:41:53.283
kind of persona people that will tell us,
00:41:53.423 --> 00:41:57.183
here is why your business venture is going to fail.
00:41:57.623 --> 00:42:02.843
And so I did exactly that. So I took Microsoft Researcher and,
00:42:02.843 --> 00:42:08.643
you know, I shared with it some, you know, business concepts that we've been working hard on.
00:42:08.703 --> 00:42:12.983
And these are high visibility projects that we want to make sure that we are successful at.
00:42:13.323 --> 00:42:18.163
And I told it to go through and tell me all the reasons for why it will fail.
00:42:18.858 --> 00:42:21.978
And how to build out a mitigation plan. Because if you think about this,
00:42:22.178 --> 00:42:26.658
if you sent that, if you brought in somebody to do that, for you to act as a
00:42:26.658 --> 00:42:29.978
red team, to act as that devil's advocate, you'd hate them, right?
00:42:30.058 --> 00:42:31.898
Because they're basically tearing apart your idea.
00:42:32.718 --> 00:42:37.538
But having this researcher do that for you, it saved me two weeks.
00:42:38.078 --> 00:42:44.478
And it's just amazing. And then had it turned it into a podcast so I could listen
00:42:44.478 --> 00:42:48.218
to it while I was walking to pick up my daughter from camp. So it's just,
00:42:48.218 --> 00:42:50.238
it's incredible what it's doing now.
00:42:51.278 --> 00:42:56.558
That's great. Well, on the topic of podcasts, you've recently launched one as
00:42:56.558 --> 00:42:59.098
well. Do you want to talk to me a bit about that?
00:42:59.538 --> 00:43:02.958
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you. Yeah, thanks for the shout out.
00:43:03.078 --> 00:43:04.858
Yeah, it's been, you guys inspired me.
00:43:05.138 --> 00:43:09.358
So, you know, one of my very dear friends who's got three decades in personal
00:43:09.358 --> 00:43:14.278
finance, and a few years ago I wrote a book on finance, and I started it on
00:43:14.278 --> 00:43:17.578
basically how to be money well, how to be healthy in personal finances.
00:43:18.018 --> 00:43:19.578
So, yeah, thanks for the shout-out to it.
00:43:20.078 --> 00:43:25.298
That's awesome. We'll put a link in the show notes so people can listen in and into the podcast.
00:43:25.538 --> 00:43:28.398
I'd love to come on and learn a thing or two and be picked apart.
00:43:28.558 --> 00:43:31.098
So please invite me on. I'm sure it'll be great to see you. What about you?
00:43:31.158 --> 00:43:32.918
We'll talk about your meme coins.
00:43:35.318 --> 00:43:38.098
I'll tell you what my crypto portfolio is by the time I come on.
00:43:38.178 --> 00:43:41.918
Hopefully millions, but we'll see. It's a bit volatile, as we know.
00:43:46.038 --> 00:43:48.898
That was an awesome chat thanks again for coming on
00:43:48.898 --> 00:43:52.478
hopefully in a year's time we can come back for another update but
00:43:52.478 --> 00:43:55.378
any final words how can people get in
00:43:55.378 --> 00:43:58.298
contact if they need to yeah any any final
00:43:58.298 --> 00:44:02.838
words yeah so so one you know we are learning we're moving fast um if anybody
00:44:02.838 --> 00:44:08.438
has any questions for me you can reach out at jelowry at microsoft.com and i
00:44:08.438 --> 00:44:12.918
think scott and that we'll also post my LinkedIn profile so yeah we will do
00:44:12.918 --> 00:44:16.958
that awesome it was fantastic catching up with you and we always enjoy the conversation,
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We'll keep on to next time. Cheers. G'day.
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