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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey readers, quick heads up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This week's episode contains references to adult romantic and sexual relationships.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If that's not your thing, no worries.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Otherwise, thanks for listening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to Paperback Pleasures.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Annabelle, and I'm Romy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're here to talk all things romance literature from the origin of erotica to the soon-worthy classics to modern romantasy sagas and everything in between, one book at a time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are so happy you're here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk romance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, 100, 100, 100.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 100 episodes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's so crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is insane.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't believe that people still listen to us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every episode is dedicated to you guys, about 100 episodes in this episode is in every meaningful way dedicated to our listeners.
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[SPEAKER_02]: the fact that there is not only like one person, but more than one person, that every week or whenever they feel is like, you know who I want to listen to and it's me, it's me, it's the person that I've been living within my own head for my whole life and my best friend and we get to be a part of your life and
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[SPEAKER_02]: God, what a privilege.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I am so, so honored.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think a privilege is the absolute perfect way to put that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When Invalon I were brainstorming about a project that we could do together that would become a small business.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We knew it would be a business no matter what.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was unemployed at the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we kind of were like, well, what if we did a romance on the bookstore?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is before they were everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I will say not to be hipster about it, but it was at the time really not very saturated market.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Annabelle first out of business school was like well we have to have like a presence first to see if people like this idea and born of that was this idea of social media and upon cast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember saying Annabelle was going to listen to us and she was like you never know where many people like and it's that attitude that has got us here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and like it's not even just anyone who's listening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's very, very cool people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We are so, so lucky.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like getting to interact with everyone in our discord, getting emails from people, the listener question answers, and any of you out there who haven't said anything yet, too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's, it's been such a great group of people that like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel really lucky that I've met other people to share this very solitary love of books with.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And to like take things that make me like giggle and kick my feet or like get me really frustrated, they make me feel big feelings that aren't real and have very real conversations about them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That like continue to reshape my brain every time we do this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of you have been here since the very beginning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, since the first TikTok video where we're like, hey, we kind of don't want to do this thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyone interested?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And several of you found us and we're like, yeah, every single listener means so much to us, but I want to give a special shout out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know who you are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: at core group of people who have been with us for a hundred episodes for years now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys have not only become just loyal listeners and massive contributors to the podcast, but very, very dear friends in the process.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was gotten to meet some of you in real life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've gotten to meet one of you and now is very dear in real life, friend as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know we say this all the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Genuinely, this would not be possible without every single one of you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're very aware that we do not have a massive listening audience in the scope of podcast fame Every single time I say I have a podcast the first question people always ask me is Well, how many people listen to you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: and I can't sit here and be like thousands of people every single episode but that also doesn't matter to me and I hate that that's a question that people ask first always because that's the measure of success to so many people and I'm sitting here with my best friend in the world 100 episodes in on something we have worked our asses all for for several years now with this group of people who have been listening to us in stay one or people who have found us
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[SPEAKER_00]: that to me is success.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is how I measure it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It has opened my eyes up to so many new books and tropes and ways of loving and pleasure and amazing conversations and points of view.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This podcast and this project has brought so much to my life personally and that's because all of you who believed in us got us here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, this is not a eulogy, this is an introduction.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're not going anywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very clear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I mentioned working our ass off in about nine, we're just chatting about this before we record, which is like, we do kind of have these moments of check-ins throughout the year, where it's like, is this too much work?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are we still doing this for the right reasons?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And every single time, we end up saying, gals keep going.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, even during the hard parts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Even in one life is crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're both like, you know, we've got a really good thing going.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And honestly, when you think about it, like, you are a solid percentage of our, of our content here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So like, this is your 100th episode.
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[UNKNOWN]: Think about it that way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think people, I think people like how mysterious you are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you have that edge to you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that being said, it is no October, happy spooky season to all who celebrate, and you know exactly what we're doing for episode 100, which is our yearly tradition now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going Gothic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're watching on YouTube, I have my skeleton ready, reporting ready to go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it all looks like she just walked out of like American horror story in like the hottest
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[SPEAKER_00]: Pollars always there, but this time I've got black velvet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is something so timeless about black velvet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One thing that we have to tell you guys about how we're celebrating Episode 100 is that when we're not recording this, we're busy recording other things, which is just like
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like QI of the Tiger, pitting every single literary lover we've ever talked about on this episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's 182 names against each other to see who comes out on top.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it is random, like there is no, there is a method to our decisions along the way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But like in terms of who was pitted against you for the starting bracket, it's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have had to leave behind like my heart hurts so much of the decisions we've had to make.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're only three rounds in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're saving that for our Patreon, but so far as a little, little glimpse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And about what is the hardest person we've had to vote out so far?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, it's almost been harder to watch people I think under-serving advance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But let me go to the text.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sight the primary source.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me say the primary source.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Damn, it's been, it's been tough out here, guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've had some significant losses and we're really worried that it's going to come down to adult Darcy from pregnant prejudice and teenage Darcy from most art, like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I had a really hard time with psyche from electric idol being out in round one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That yeah, that was that was hard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another little hint for y'all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Christian Gray got a buy the first round.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it was just without our consent a theme for him just pushed forward in in the competition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I will say in about voted out the wicker husband real early.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you understand who again steal get it, I will say it's been a bit of a massacre as far as the chestnut springs, bells and bows go, well, there are a lot of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One that was really hard to leave behind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And my, in my opinion, we've had to give up eight in Valentine from first time caller.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That one hurt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was tough.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Look, you have to earn that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't get access to the things that will get me canceled without a small fee.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is one of the biggest ways we are celebrating our 100th is taking a microscope and putting all of our literary lovers in the fucking Colosseum and seeing who comes out
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I'm ready with my red wine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm ready with my skeleton shirt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm ready with my dramatic eye makeup.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Annabelle, what is the Catholic masterpiece?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are talking about today for episode 100.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Jane Eyre, I'm so happy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This has been a long time coming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Before that podcast even started, we made a list.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I still have the list of books we knew we wanted to cover at some point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jane Eyre has been on the list for Annabelle since before we started the podcast, you guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a huge, huge deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going back to the bronchets and we're going back to one of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the books helped define the genre.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I, I fucking love this book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought rereading it for this episode that I would like have different feelings now that I'm older.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I know what happens.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I reread it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like fully swept away in the exact same way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was really, no beautiful, yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But this is one of those books that like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think my mom gave it to me and I was like fine, I'll read like a Barnes and Noble classic and started it and was like, whoa.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I was unavailable for comment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How old were you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was in middle school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: God, you're so fucking smart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't gain air in middle school and falling in love with it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so special, Annabelle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope you understand that about yourself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that what happened was I just like would skim over the words that I didn't understand and was like, let's get to the good stuff specifically genuinely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've read this book before I still earned a vocabulary reading this book at this age so you not I mean the pros is oh my god okay so when you were in middle school and you're like, let's get to the good stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What was the good stuff?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, the good stuff was the romance for sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The romance and the mystery, because there are so many hints that something is wrong, but you don't know that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so this was your sleeper hit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, which is why this week, we asked you all what your sleeper hits were.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what were the books that you got?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you started them and you were like, I was unprepared for how sucked in I would be
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like another sleeper hit for you was morning glory milking farm and I love the dichotomy between Jane air and morning glory milking farm ending up on this list for you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I, you know what, we can tell if we contain multitudes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, who do you want to start with?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to start with Liz from our discord.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hello, Liz.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hi, Liz.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She says mine is Emily Wilde's encyclopedia of fairies.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I really want to read that one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't read it either.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been on my shelf for years because it's kind of a sleeper hit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People either love it or don't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She says it was chosen for book club
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, she says it sounded not for me at all, but all three soon for books are some of my most favorite books now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The writing is very dry and academic when you first start reading, but that is because you are reading a professor's professional journal and Goths is actually the best part.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This of course, he comes less dry and more fantastical, but that academia angle is still there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I am still just a giant nerd.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you're perfect because of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, we accept nerds of all kinds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man, Liz, I just adore you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Miranda answered, and, you know what, Miranda?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I knew this is exactly what you were gonna say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anything ever in by Abby Hemeniz.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Miranda's the one that got us to read Abby Hemeniz.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, you guys don't understand it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So romance in Minnesota, and it's perfect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You gotta do it, and finally a few years and we finally did it, and you proved us right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 100%.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She says, I swear that author just knows how to write a romance book and makes it feel authentic and real.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the book just for the summer, easily in my top favorite romance books of all time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I took a chance on her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was expecting a simple romance boy meets girl and overhyped book from booktalk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If anything, it's truly underrated in my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The romance, the passion, the yearning, the real-life problems, the real-life issues, understanding that life isn't perfect, but doesn't mean that it isn't beautiful, or that you won't get your happy ending.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Her latest book,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you guys heard us in our Abbey Himain's episode?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I will continue reading her books.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Love to just for the summer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Be on just the hometown connection.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was a great book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was like so messy, but so well done.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like it's top of mind because we had several showdowns with Ab-Mena's characters in our brackets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sarah has come in with grave matter by Karina Halley.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, Sarah?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I promise this is on the list for this next year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I promise Sarah reached out to us and she's like, please, please, please, please, please, please, please review this and I said, she will.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yes, we will do it because I downloaded it the second you asked us to review it and has been on my list and we are going to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I promise this is me putting the sound of the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We will be reviewing this book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It takes us a while to get to everything because we have to plan a couple
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every single time you guys ask us to review something, we look at, we figure out if it works with our format, if it is a romance, et cetera, because sometimes people do request books for us to review that our romance is, and we just, that's just on our format, but we have a master list that we keep in this crazy fucking Google sheet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that keeps us on, it keeps our life organized.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Keep behind the curtain, Romeo likes to type in all caps, and it drives me in pain.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You love me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sarah continues.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's about a female grad student who goes to an island in the Pacific Northwest in order to do research.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we've been in STEM.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a Regent Rap.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, Professor Student Relationship.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Fuck yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Stocker vibes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Magic mushrooms.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Haunted Forest Atmosphere.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Fuck me up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And BDSMs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This book was a written for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a, it's like a menu.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's on the list.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have a justine answer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, justine has this beautiful beautiful beautiful habit of utilizing our email, which we love and writing us small essays to respond to our questions and justine seriously every single time one of your email slans at our
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[SPEAKER_00]: It makes my entire week and I am able to say the same thing I assure you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We tax each other about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really exciting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, we are just going to take a snippet of Justine's answer today and we're going to save the whole answer for our Patreon along with Trish and Emily's responses.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, here's your tease.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a snippet that we chose to share from Justine's answer today for our sleeper hints.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She says, it cringy as it is, I often took book recommendations from the characters of shows that I watched.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's like cringy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's smart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God, Justin, I knew I loved you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Listen to this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jane from Jane the Virgin, one of my favorite shows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Justin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I love Jane the Virgin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she says Jane from the Jane the Virgin gave me one of the sleeper hits I ended up falling for the title character is an author and her favorite author is Isabel I. Yenday yes, all right choice I end it is notable for her work in magical realism genre and that's where I fell in love justine is about again days also one of my all time favorite authors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my God, the way she writes magical realism is like no other is about like an actually does make a guest appearance in Jane the Virgin.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Really, there was a series of years where I would get a different Isabella and daybook for every Christmas and I would immediately read it and immediately forget everything that I just read because it was so good and so surreal and so amazing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's thanks to my English classes in high school that I discovered Isabella and I, Mr. K Wood, had us read in the house of the spirits, he created a class dedicated to magical realism.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that was senior year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, and I took it as an elective because I was like, I don't know what this means.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to learn everything about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in the house of the spirits, I said, again, it's the first book we read in that class.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, this is incredible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think honestly, that was my biggest like gateway into light fantasy, which you guys know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love so much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, justine continues, because obviously we're always in the same page.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the house of the spirits, rewired my brain, she says.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was family, it was tradition, it was multi-generational, it was magic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Most importantly, it was a major yarkle storytelling on a level I'd yet to witness in real life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The recognizable and I argue patriarchal storytelling art of characters meeting, rising conflict, climax, everything is fixed, happy ending is not part of her narratives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The story is in the perseverance of the mothers and daughters as the world throws everything at canon at them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I read several of Isabelle Gende's works after that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They are rough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: not gonna lie but I love them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The magical realism genre especially as written and conceived in Latin America just sings to me and it's really important here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is me again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just to know that magical realism is rooted in Latin America culture.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is where it comes from.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is its roots.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is a Gabrielle Garcia Marquez, et cetera.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Justine, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We will save the rest of your answer for Patreon but that is that is so important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is so, so cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I love love love love that answer so much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, especially because like we're talking about Gothic literature today, Gothic literature has so much repercussion in everything we read today, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can say something about magical realism.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, especially this book, and I shout out to Chelsea on Tompens, who would be posting this to Instagram, just respond
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we can safely say Jane Arrows also her sleeper hit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jane Arrows is Chelsea Antonkins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Favorite book of all time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know this because we talk about it all the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and actually she also recommended version that it is a like LA theater production play interpretation of Jane Arrows that has the most incredible audio effects.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like want to take an evening and light a bunch of candles and just listen to it in the dark because it's so haunting and so good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But this book, like, truly has bold me over in so many ways.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just read it for this episode, but Romeo, I know it's been a minute for you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What do you remember of Jane Eyre?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I need to know what your sleeper hit is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's Jane Eyre, bitch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know if you were going to come up with another title because that was so perfect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I did it for Wolfson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, yeah, this is my reread.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, do you have a sleeper hit?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have so many sleeper hits, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have so many books that I return to, over and over and over again, that I read as a guilty pleasure and I'm like, shit, that's a good book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is like pseudo sleeper hit when we read lights out for the podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that was our first book of the year last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I knew it would be entertaining that I had no doubt on my mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was very popular.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was not expecting to love it as much as I did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was one of those moments where hipster ass reader wrote me, goes, oh shit, one of the popular books is actually good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dove course it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Most books are popular for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: we're learning but the other one is a series of you guys have heard me talk about a million times there's a ton other in my Kindle this is the one that comes to mind because the title is just so silly in the premises so silly it is the villainous things series by C. Rachelle the first book is called not all hymboes werecapes
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love these books so much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These silly silly characters have my entire heart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're so fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're so kinky.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're hysterical.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're swoony.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you want something fun, please, please, please give.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not all him bows were capes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A chance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: High spice, high swoon, high fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: High disconnect from reality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Have fun with it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was definitely a super hit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's nothing
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was not prepared.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I will say a lot of the sleeper hits for me have been YA books that you've recommended.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, are you thinking about far wilder magic?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm thinking of a far wilder magic and I'm thinking of a few other several of them where I was not expecting to be as swept away as I was in the best right possible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know how I found a far wilder magic?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a Kindle ad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I found a lot of great books as it is Kindle ads.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Damn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, song once upon a time was a sleeper hit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, how I can even throw down a vibers on that list because I read that when I just want something fun and smarty.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and it's funny to when we think about the expectations that we have, because I look back on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Especially when I was reading this in middle school and to me like classic books felt like an obligation where it was like, oh adults tell me I have to read this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Whereas like anything that was more YA and maybe more new felt like something I was choosing for myself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was always surprised when like something that was prescribed to me really hit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think I think about different classics differently now, because I've read so many that have resonated with me where I'm like, oh, the odds of this being amazing are relatively high.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But for a long time, that was not the case.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's in part like having a family that was very literary and pushed a lot of books on me before I was really ready for them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was worried about that with Jane Eyre, but
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, this is a crazy book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you think it's like regular classic literature.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is like
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[SPEAKER_02]: soap opera level crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It really is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's a braente, but great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But when you think soap opera level crazy, completely different from weathering heights in its soap opera.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, how we had to have an entire episode of Suthergide's dedicated just to the fucking plot, because it was so insane.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jane air is a little bit more put together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Charlotte,
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[SPEAKER_00]: which I know you're going to dive into, but this is still a lot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's intense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's also first person, which was not super normal for the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like a coming of age.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We start with Jane as a kid and grow with her through adulthood.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So much happens.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's so much that we don't know that's revealed slowly over time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's really gripping in that way, too, because you have so many questions just alongside Jane.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know Earl B.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're like, Romney, what do you remember from this book?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, bitch, you have to answer the question first.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you were right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was in the wrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was just really excited.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want me to answer that question now?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because you just re-read this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You may answer, yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, um, so I haven't read this book in maybe 10 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How old were you when you read it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: High school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, you must have been old.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Doing some mac here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ouch.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Guess how old we are, listen, it's no, don't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I really feel my wife really quick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, she's a drinking age.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I also was what I read this book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I will say, I think I've watched the 2011 film more recently than I have read it because I loved that film interpretation of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I loved it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of many series of this book as well that are also fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, I'm going to go off of what I remember which is probably a combo pack of book versus Booby and you can correct me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like you said, we have Jane as a child.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, she's living with her aunt and uncle but her uncle dies and so she's living like with her mean aunt and her mean kids and the kids pick on her a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a horrible living situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's gothic literature, no child is allowed to be happy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the little boy who lives there is like super super mean to her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think his sisters are very nice to her either the aunt hates her and one of the big like formative scenes that I remember from her life in this house is the red room.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and not Christian Grey's red room of pain, which is like the BDSM theme.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a whole other kind of red room of pain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was thinking about this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh my god, is that where he got red room of pain?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hate that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because Anna Stasia from 50 shades of grey was based off of Bella, who red-worthering heights, who was written by the sister of Charlotte Bronte, who had the original red room.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you need a cork board and some string?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, again, I am the Charlie Day meme of the, oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, this is kind of where our first intro into the supernatural of the story, I believe, where she's locked in the room as punishment for something fabricated that the little boy that she lives with accused her of doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the movie, it's like smoke comes billowing out of the fireplace and a lot just like a lot of mysticism,
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[SPEAKER_00]: happens, and it's a child's imagination, but it's a very Gothic and scary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really traumatizing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fast forward, the aunt is just desperate to get rid of her, and so she's like, she is a vile child.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She needs to go to its horrifying boarding school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where if you guys remember in our weathering heights episode, we did talk about how the bronchets were sent to this kind of questionable boarding school where like half of their family died, and then it came back home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that I, my guess is this is direct correlation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Santa's horrifying boarding school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's humiliated, very, very strong religious overtones, really like there's, I'm like there's zero health care.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, nobody had health care at this point in history.
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[SPEAKER_00]: CDC Rooney.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was absolutely no care for the children.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this was not a place where children went and felt safe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a place where children went were punished.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She
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[SPEAKER_00]: at the school who ends up dying like in bed with her or something horrifying like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jane is never allowed to go back during holidays or vacations so she stays at the school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember if she had a nice teacher at one point but I remember when she grows up she becomes a nice teacher and she kind of helps change the culture of the school a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not gonna nod or anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you're remembering a lot, so- I'm okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, thank God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After that, for some reason, I remember the child who trauma a little bit more than the romance, which is weird for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then she leaves she gets hired to become the not many, the governess at the super league big fancy house, remind me of the house's name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't feel it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't feel it at all, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is a haul or just thorn field?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's thorn field manner.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They mostly refer to it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just as thorn field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so she gets hired by this mysterious Mr. Rochester or maybe the housekeeper or something to come to care of charges at thorn field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so she arrives at thorn field in the movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She meets Mr. Rochester who owns thorn field because she scares his horse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember if that happens in the book or not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very dramatic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You like falls off his horse and the like yells at her and she's just like, I'm here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, so she, okay, cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She is governance for a while, Mr. Rochester.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember how the kids are related to him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: at all, but for some reason, there's children in his house that need a governance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The house is super spooks, all your typical, gothic creepiness, bad dreams, weird smells, bumps in the night, etc.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mr. Rochester obviously, super rich has women kind of like falling all over him, and so like there will be like parties at the estate from time to time, where
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[SPEAKER_00]: especially one blonde chick comes along and really wants to marry him for his money and he has always like very like go-shwitch friends and Jane Eyres just kind of sitting there as like was like small, mouthy kind of like very like supposedly simple woman sitting there as the governess but Mr. Rochester like makes her be part of a lot of like the entertainment too which is kind of like, you
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[SPEAKER_00]: The whole time Jane is kind of seeing these attributes of Mr. Rochester, but also he's not super great, you know, he's very much like by Ron Akiro as far as the bronchets go, I would argue.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, then something, everything's on fire, um, if I'm remembering correctly, uh, and then fast forward somehow Jane and Mr. Rochester fall in love and they're getting married, spoiler alert, they're getting married, and someone like charges in during the wedding ceremony.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, no, you can't do that because he's already married, different goes, go, what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, Mr. Rochester is like, yes, it's true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I need to show you by shame.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, marches her up to the fucking attic of Thorinfield Hall or Manor or whatever, the fuck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a fucking shit locked in the attic, fucking Bertha.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Poor Bertha.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fuckin' Bertha, man, who says first wife walks in the attic because she went crazy, but also like, modern lens is she crazy or is she just a woman?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It should be a little little details, but that's okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You could fill the gaps there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Jane goes, oh my god, and like rips off her wedding gown and just runs into the moors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then if you're watching the 2011 movie, she runs to the rock face where Elizabeth Bennett has her big private prejudice moment for Liz on top of the world from 2001, private prejudice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, so she runs and runs and runs, it's like raining and horrible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like across the moors, you're hearing,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jane, I love you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jane, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, because of Mr. Rochester's like calling across the Morse to her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then she runs and she flings herself at someone's door and the super religious dude opens up the door and saves her life because she's like about to die because it's, you know, forever ago and if you got caught in the rain, you basically die.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so she hides there, she gives him a fake name, she hides there for a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're literally just students wants to marry her and she goes, oh my god, no, and then once again finds yourself sprinting across the mors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then at the end, somehow she makes it back to Thor and Field, but also Mr. Rochester is blind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, and then they live happily ever after.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How do I do?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You did really well, Row.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, really?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really impressed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you be honest?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like I made half that up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like there are definitely differences between the books and the movie that are in the book and the movie that are showing through.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I saw the 2011 version when it came out in 2011, and I remember not liking it and basically being like, I don't think this book can be interpreted in film form, so that's the only one I've seen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really, you should watch some of the mini-series.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you'd like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I loved the 2011 movie because I found it very, very beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I really liked it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They had somebody who was not generically gorgeous playing Jane Era.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was really important because she's not supposed to be some great beauty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought she delivered that really, really, that famous famous, famous monologue where she goes just because I am little and poor, like you think me without any spirit or whatever it is,
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I really liked the movie, however, you have a deeper connection with this book than I do because I, during weathering heights episode, I also said I don't think this book can be interpreted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe there's something to be said there about Gothic this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, or the Brontace, um, specifically, a genre brought into themselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so please fill in the gaps or tell me where I was just wrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that there are a couple of really important pieces here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There is like a very strong religious overtone throughout the entire book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that I think reads a little differently today than it would then.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like there are some details about how things come to light.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like for example, the day that she marries Mr. Rochester in the church, it's just her Mr. Rochester and the priest.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then two people come in through the side.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and it's everything literally after the whole thing goes down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, it was a quiet morning, like no one raised their voice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was totally fine and yet my world is completely different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and she kind of takes it all in stride.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She is a very inward person, which is why I think it's a really hard thing to interpret on screen because, for example, Kathy is so external and so is Heathcliff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Mr. Rochester is too to a degree, but it's her inner monologue, which we get through the first person narrative that it gives this so much resonance to me and so much depth of meaning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It sounds like some of the really important quotes comes through in some of the film adaptations, but that's one part that I think is just really important to understand about her specifically.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A couple of things that you missed that I think you would really enjoy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if this happens in the film.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how they would do it in a way that is reasonable, but at one point Mr. Rochester
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, I forgot about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I cannot remember if that happens in the movie or not, but I do remember that from the book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's giving Henry the Aves, pretending to be a beggar when Anna of Cleans got off the ship.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a really nice reference.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so sorry for anybody else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm talking about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was very niche.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, basically a man trying to discern a woman's interest, and he does that for all of the women in the party.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He pretends to be an old gypsy woman in the book, so like a traveler, and read everyone's fortunes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And everyone's like, oh my god, this woman, you so much about me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how she did it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Jane figures it out that it's him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Of course.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How did you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And she's like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was something in there, like a view that I just couldn't ignore.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's this like magnetism between the two that's very beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A couple of other things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She does have a really great teacher, a mist temple.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so there wasn't a nice teacher.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, who's a really important person to her.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And another piece that like really comes through in terms of the way that the story is told, but might be harder to interpret on the screen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: is like her nature fighting with the way the world wants her to be.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When she is a child in that household who is dealing with all of this pain and injustice, she refuses to back down in so many ways.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She stands up to Mrs. Reed, her aunt and is like, you are a cruel woman and if anyone asks me
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember being very, very blown away and forgetting that from the book and the movie was a nice reminder to me that even as a child, she knew who she was and she knew right from wrong and she had this kind of like vindication where she kind of knew that the world was always going to be off-kilter for her, but she wasn't going to let that stop her from standing up for herself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like we see that several times throughout the book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And she has this restlessness to her too, that even beyond the sense of right and wrong, she loves the idea of travel and of learning and seeing new things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, when she's a little girl, she's really obsessed with all of her travels.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She thinks all of it's real.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And she loves looking at books and imagining the world beyond going for walks, etc.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Which seems to be a theme with the
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[SPEAKER_00]: and danger walks, and then, hey, she wrote one of the writings.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I suspect they had some conversations about all of these things, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can I ask you kind of about, you know more about the bronchases of the whole than I do?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I really just know like when I research from my episode about Ellie, the way religion was used in weathering heights was really just through this like one fanatical character Joseph, who was a servant and he was he was written as a fanatic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Jane Eyre, your right, has a lot more religious overtones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, within the school, within who ultimately saves her when she's running away from Mr. Rochester, from what you know about the bronchets, do you have any idea why that is?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because they interpreted religion so differently.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, their father was a perpetual curate of St. Michael and all angels church.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I know this was a really long time ago, and I'm so sorry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was not racing a Christian household.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What kind of question is that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to ask that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to try that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What denomination is that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: At this point, it's like the United Church of England.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, so it is still church of England.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it's Anglican.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because this is, this is after, yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Quick minor history lesson in Roly's brain happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had to go back to Henry and his wife's.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go back to Anne Bolin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry to see if he and then realize and this was written after that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they grow up with a father, his job is to be a religious center in the community.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They also grow with a lot of struggles that I believe caused them to sort of interpret faith in ways that are more individualistic because it's so painful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: real.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So a couple of things and this is we can just use this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is a segue into like the context for this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Charlotte had a little bit of a different upbringing than Emily pop quiz.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who is the older sister?
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[SPEAKER_00]: it was Charlotte acted like the older sister.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was older, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was older.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's the reason we have these books today is because of Charlotte.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, like I mean for all that I'm an Emily Stan, none of this would exist without Charlotte Brontai.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That that much I remember from my research and she very much it cracked me if I'm wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember compared to Emily at least and I'm sorry we haven't even mentioned it yet, but she's hanging out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A Charlotte was more focused on appearance maybe and making sure that they fit into society in certain ways.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think she understood the importance of that more than her sister is that fair to say?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean it's all up to interpretation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's unfair to say.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They all balanced it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a hard time to be a woman.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, man, they all had a really tough childhood.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Charlotte had maybe an even tougher childhood than them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Charlotte was sent away to the clergy daughter school with three of her sisters, Maria Bronte, Elizabeth Bronte and Emily Bronte.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you know, Emily Bronte.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Have you ever heard of Maria and whoever the other one was, Elizabeth?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, do you know why?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You haven't heard of them because they died as they died pretty quickly at that school, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Was it TB on clear, but Charlotte continued to get sick throughout her life and it attributed to her time at that school.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not all us chronic illness, girl.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she died at 38.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Damn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She and she out lived doubly, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she sent in tenant of World of Feld Hall by Anne.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But weathering heights by Emily and another of her books that didn't get accepted all to a publishing house and gave them all pseudonyms.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Originally her bell would be Charlotte.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think reading this as though it's written by a man versus as though it's written by a woman is suit such an interesting lens.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, especially for this book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember with mothering heights, it was like this is so vial that of course it had to be written by a man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did people feel that way about Jane Eyre because Jane Eyre to me reads more as a romance than weathering heights does?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was much more accepted in its time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of people thought it was great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They were right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I also feel that having it be under a male name would maybe make some of the feminist assertions in it slightly more palatable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, hate that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She, she countered that in some ways too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So more to come there, but yes, what's written here about the school is very much based on her experience as a kid in a school, watching everyone around her suffering die and severely suffering herself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Luckily, she and Emily left and she was sent to a different school and then came back and worked as a teacher there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, to this point, this is almost biographical.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and she specifically went to a boarding school in Brussels where she was a student came back as a teacher and it was in part to like improve language foreign language, which languages French which there's a lot of French in Jane air and I was reading just like the free version that I could find and I was like damn if I couldn't read French.
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[SPEAKER_02]: this would suck.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So fair warning, if you're getting a copy, try and get an annotated copy, so that you can understand the French, because also rereading this as an adult, like I understand French so much better now, so it was like a lot more fulfilling in a lot of ways.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But here's what I think you're going to lose your mind.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She had a fair with a married man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: who was charled.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Who's a what?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Her boss.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ehh!
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you have the audacity to say, to workplace romance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, his wife ripped up her letters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you mean he was based on Mr. Rogers?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, Mr. Rogers, there was based on him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, it's just Mr. Rogers, he's so much more real.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He read her notes and was like, oh, wait, the wife ripped up the notes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then they survived.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Put them back together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, taped it on, exist back then.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what are we saying, put them back together?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do not know how, so the wife put them back together.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I believe, okay, the wife put them back together and might have been the husband that ripped them up and it says in a lot of places that it was an unreccoated love that she had for him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She loved him or he loved her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She loved him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, but they were having an affair, so they were fucking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She fell in love and no, they, sorry, they were not fucking.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just an emotional affair.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, crazy, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, Charlotte, you little minks, I love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that she probably wouldn't describe herself that way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so when you say that she based Mr. Rochester off of him, do we know what traits she brought in from this man?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Would you like to hear a description of this man from a letter that she wrote?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I've been para for yourself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is such a soap opera.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know it's so crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's one individual of whom I have not yet spoken.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Missier Heger, the husband of Madame, he is a professor of rhetoric, a man of power as to mind, but very cleric and irritable and temperament, a little black ugly being with a face that varies in expression.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes he bios the linaments of an insane Tomcat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm talking to those of a delirious hyena occasionally, but very seldom he describes these parallel attractions and assumes an air not above a hundred degrees removed from what you would call mild and gentleman like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's so great because one thing I do remember from the book is that Jane air describes Mr. Rochester as not handsome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he asks her if she thinks that he's
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's actually a pretty funny exchange.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let me give you a couple of Mr. Rochesterisms.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She meets him in this weird circumstance where he falls off his horse.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like just not super polite.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like he calls her down to just sit with him while everyone's hanging out after dinner.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's just like rude.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's bored.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One of the things that he says is,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Go to the library.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if you please excuse my tone of command.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm used to say do this and it is done.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I cannot alter my customary habits for one new inmate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Go then into the library.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Take a candle with you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Leave the door open sit down to the piano and play a tune.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, see, I'm cop between like yes, daddy and fuck off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know and that's kind of where you end up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and he like says terrible things like all right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Here we go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I am not fond of the proddle of children he continued for old Boschler as I am.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have no pleasant associations connected with their list.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It would be intolerable to me to pass a whole evening Tettotet with a brat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's really funny and then meanwhile like a kid is in the room.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like he's saying this with her there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Shane air is literally only there because she has kids that need to be taking care of.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mind you, people in the room.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Jane air a child and old lady.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What does he say next?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't draw the chair further off Miss air sit down exactly where I placed it if you please that is can found these civilities I continually forget them nor do I particularly affect simple minded old ladies by the buy I must have mine in mind it won't do to neglect her she is a fair facts or what to on and blood is said to be thicker than water like he just does not
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[SPEAKER_02]: He just does not want to be nice to people at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I will say, so, Ann, about do you consider the seromance?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Remember in weathering heights where we had this couple that only the way they were lovable is through each other's eyes?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Isn't that kind of the draw for this as well?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I think Jane Eyre herself is lovable in many ways, but Mr. Rochester, I don't know who else could love him the way that Jane Eyre does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I felt that way and then I read it and I was like, you know, no, it's so beautiful because
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[SPEAKER_02]: For the first part of their friendship and it starts as a friendship, he is just talking to her and like confessing things he's done and like she's like, he talks a lot but like I enjoy it and I'm finding him really interesting and slowly over time it becomes more of a dialogue and he pays such close attention to her reactions.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like every single time that's.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's so upfront with her about his flaws.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he like he tries to explain his story and he tries so hard to be understood.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like he's talking about, for example, the child that you were wondering where she comes from, Adele, who comes from a out-of-web lock relationship he had with a French opera singer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The child is said to be his
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[SPEAKER_02]: He kind of doesn't think so, and neither does Jane, but he's like, I'm repenting for my sins, so I'm caring for this child, even though I don't like children.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And with this French opera singer, she was cheating on him and he found out he's trying to explain how that made him feel to her.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he goes, you never felt jealousy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Did you miss air?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Of course not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I need not ask you because you never felt love.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Both sentiments yet to experience your soul sleeps.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The shock is yet to be given that she'll wake it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You think all existence lapses and as quiet a flow, as that with gender youth has hithertoed slid away.
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[SPEAKER_02]: the man's planning, which like also, he's more than twice her age.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, and she's spent her entire life living in a school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, fine, maybe it's a little founded, but just being like you've never felt love is a little rude.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But what he says about their conversation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: is the more you and I converse, the better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: For well, I cannot blight you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You may refresh me, you said like she's so good and like so sure of herself and so sure of right and wrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I can't convince you to be more like me and terrible, but like you can make me better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's so...
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[SPEAKER_00]: sweet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like we're heading headlong into the romance raining.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Should we listen to the narration first?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, here I go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 880 years after its publication, Jane Eyre has rooted itself into the hearts of generations as a beloved classic that continues to inspire readers and writers today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Within Charlotte Brontay's brilliant novel is a deeply moving story of rejection, independence, and the pursuit of love with an unnerving mystery at its center.
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[SPEAKER_01]: as the titular character Jane has survived her childhood as an unmoved orphan in her hands-home, where her free spirit and quick wit gets her banished to a charity school for girls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There she learns about friendship and pursuing her own convictions, leaving the school at 18 to become the governess of Thornfield Hall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: a free and hardworking woman, Jane finds peace and happiness in her new position, and her first experience of love, when she finds herself falling for the sardonic, broody, and disheartedly not handsome, lonely master of the house, Mr. Edward Fairfax, Rochester.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And though Jane finds everything she's ever wanted and folding before her, something is a mess at Thornton Field Hall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Something is coming to challenge her independence and beliefs, but most of all, the indomnable spirit that connects her to the only man she has ever loved.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Annabelle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm tearing up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is Chelsea Antopkins, my friends.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god!
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is not only a dear friend of ours, but a very well-known local author who you've heard on this podcast several times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was an entirely original synopsis of Jane Eyre by Chelsea Antopkins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want her to be part of this episode because I knew how much she loved the book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a little surprise that I did for Annabelle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why she's super emotional right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She had no idea that this was happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I sent her a blur because with these as you know these classics we've talked about this every single time we do a classic book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There isn't like a back flap published made blurber for me to pick from.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I always just combed through millions of them into life-ind-one that I like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I sent it to her and she goes, hmm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a good start.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And she rewrote the entire thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was not only written fresh by an author, never heard before synopsis of Jane Eyre.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but also from someone who really, really, really loves this book, loves this story, and has written it into her own work many, many times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so Annabelle, I want your authentic reaction.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that is a good synopsis of a Jane Eyre?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a great synopsis of Jane Eyre.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was absolutely beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And hey, we had decided to play not handsome again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, that's like front and center in this relationship.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do want to like go in on what makes this something that has been like really connected to for generations to because the romance rating is going to be 5 out of 5.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's going to be controversial as that's super controversial.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you serious?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, fuck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to make my case do it do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be maybe a little bit much girl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did I did what the ring heights as a five out of five if I can defend that you could defend this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's talk about this and story of why I loved it so much middle school and why I love it so much now too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We are in Janir's head in this entire time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We feel her palpable loneliness through the entire thing and we feel her rustlessness and her wanting to keep moving and keep finding things that invigorate her.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So all through the traumas where we are at her side and all through this, we hear her describing
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[SPEAKER_02]: how she sees people on a very like physical surface level.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And she uses that to moralize in some ways.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So let me give you an example when he does ask her if she thinks he's handsome, how she responds, and what she's thinking when she says it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is what she's saying.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just like watching him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was, in short, in his afternoon or mood, more expanded and genial and also more self-indulgent than the frigid and rigid temper of the morning, still he looked preciously grim, cushioning his mass of head against the swelling of back of his chair, and receiving the light of the fire on his granite human features, and it's great dark eyes for he had great dark eyes, and very fine eyes, too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not without a certain change in their deaths sometimes, which
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[SPEAKER_02]: If it was not softness, reminded you at least of that feeling.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He had been looking two minutes at the fire, and I had been looking the same like the time of time at him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When turning suddenly, he caught my gaze fastened on his physical autonomy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You examine me, Ms. Air, said he, do you think me handsome?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I should if I had deliberated have replied to this question by something conventionally vague and polite, but the answer somehow slipped from my tongue before I was aware.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, sir.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, by my word, there is something singular about you, said he, you have the air of a little none at, quaint, quiet, grave and simple as you sit with your hands before you and your eyes generally bent on the carpet, except by the buy when they are directed piercingly to my face, as just now, for instance, when one asks you a question or makes a remark to which you are obliged to reply, you wrap out a round rejoinder, which if not blunt, is at least brisk.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What do you mean by it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sir, I was too plain, I beg your pardon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I ought to have replied that it was not easy to give an impromptu a answer to a question about appearances that tastes mostly differ and that beauty is of little consequence or something of the sort.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You ought to have replied no such thing, beauty of little consequence indeed and so under pretense of softening the previous outrage of stroking and soothing me into placidity, you stick a slide pen knife under my ear.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Go on, what fault do you find with me, pray?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I suppose I have all my limbs and all my features
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mr. Rothfuster, allow me to disown my first answer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I intended no pointed reparty.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was only a blunder.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just, be so.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think so.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You shall be answerable for it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Criticize me, does my forehead not please you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: He lifted up the stable waves of the hair, which lay horizontally over his brow and showed a solid enough mass of an intellectual organs, but in abrupt deficiency where the swab sign of an evidence should have risen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, we are talking about a time in which
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[SPEAKER_02]: pseudoscience was trying to use people's skulls to understand their personalities.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We are talking about a time in which how someone appeared much like today was very indicative of how you were going to interact with them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If they were beautiful, they might be virtuous.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If they were a plane, they might be more grounded.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She does her hair is connected with how she sees herself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She wants to be neat and tidy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She wants to be moral.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She wants to be good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She doesn't want to be beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She doesn't want to be seen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She went to a school in which all of the girls' hair, if they had curly hair, it was cut off because they weren't allowed to have curls.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because it was considered to be beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And what you see yes, you see in her perspective when she meets new people she describes them physically every single time and so you have this like
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[SPEAKER_02]: really frank conversation between her and Mr. Rochester, putting them on the same ground in terms of like, I don't think you're attractive and I'm going to be honest with you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when she starts to feel feelings for Mr. Rochester, and she starts to see that he has feelings for Blanche Ingram, who is one of the society girls.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She literally forces herself to draw a portrait of herself as brutally, honestly, as she can in pencil in front of a mirror.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And she like, homes in on and every flaw and is like, this is what you look like.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want you to remember this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is what you look like.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can't love this man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then she had based on what Mrs. Fairfax, the old lady said about what Blanche Ingram looked like because she's never met this woman, paints the most beautiful portrait she can in her best watercolors on ivory of Blanche Ingram and she puts them next to each other and she is like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the woman who deserves to love Mr. Rochester.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the woman who does not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God, that's so fucked up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So how from there do we get to a five out of five romance remaining?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's so fucking brutally honest.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is so much about feeling invisible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and loving someone and so much about the soul connection and finding something that's deeper than that, despite all of your pain and self-loathing and finding the love and companionship that can make life feel beautiful and make you feel beautiful and glow from the inside out.
01:03:37.801 --> 01:03:44.087
[SPEAKER_02]: And like she goes away during this time and she is so lonely, she goes away to
01:03:45.628 --> 01:03:51.650
[SPEAKER_02]: late to rest Mrs. Reed, the woman who tortured her in her childhood, who is often to see Jainaire one last time before she dies.
01:03:52.571 --> 01:04:01.254
[SPEAKER_02]: And Jainaire goes to this household where she has never been welcome and she has always been treated poorly and she draws herself a picture of Mr. Rochester so she can have a friend.
01:04:02.094 --> 01:04:03.375
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
01:04:03.395 --> 01:04:03.495
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:04:05.586 --> 01:04:06.847
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so beautiful.
01:04:06.867 --> 01:04:18.634
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, this, knowing the whole unrequited love with the Mr. Rochester-esque person and Charlotte Bronte, the author's life, this makes a lot of sense.
01:04:19.655 --> 01:04:22.317
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, do we know if it's truly unrequited?
01:04:22.637 --> 01:04:23.998
[SPEAKER_02]: I am, we don't have a lot of fun.
01:04:24.018 --> 01:04:24.838
[SPEAKER_00]: We have no idea at that point.
01:04:25.298 --> 01:04:25.499
[SPEAKER_00]: But.
01:04:26.439 --> 01:04:26.979
[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's fair.
01:04:27.259 --> 01:04:28.840
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Charlotte Broughty was brilliant.
01:04:29.341 --> 01:04:30.321
[SPEAKER_00]: It was brilliant.
01:04:31.101 --> 01:04:31.942
[SPEAKER_00]: All of them were.
01:04:33.222 --> 01:04:33.563
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
01:04:34.123 --> 01:04:34.463
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
01:04:34.703 --> 01:04:41.967
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're coming down to the honesty and the absolutely brutalness of seeing each other for exactly as they are.
01:04:42.427 --> 01:04:44.288
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, honestly, that's very cool.
01:04:44.688 --> 01:04:45.588
[SPEAKER_00]: I have another friend.
01:04:46.109 --> 01:04:47.469
[SPEAKER_00]: This is her favorite book of all time.
01:04:47.569 --> 01:04:50.271
[SPEAKER_00]: But my friend identifies as a romantic.
01:04:50.891 --> 01:04:55.078
[SPEAKER_00]: And so this morning, I just texted her and I said, I will cover this on the podcast.
01:04:55.399 --> 01:04:56.541
[SPEAKER_00]: This is your favorite book.
01:04:57.322 --> 01:04:58.765
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you consider this a romance?
01:04:58.825 --> 01:05:00.247
[SPEAKER_00]: Can I reach you her response?
01:05:00.788 --> 01:05:01.510
[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to hear it.
01:05:02.812 --> 01:05:10.998
[SPEAKER_00]: So she says, you know, I haven't read it in a few years and I always learned something new, each read and changed the way I feel about it.
01:05:11.339 --> 01:05:15.402
[SPEAKER_00]: So that said, my answer might not be accurate to what I would think if I read it today.
01:05:15.422 --> 01:05:21.566
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a story with romance, but I wouldn't call a romance book if that makes sense, at least how
01:05:22.447 --> 01:05:25.329
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we would classify romance in modern times.
01:05:25.689 --> 01:05:40.159
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, too, the answer changes if you're asking the lens of just Rochester and Jane, or if you pan out and consider all of the Rochester and all of the context of what he did with his first wife, who we have only mentioned this so far.
01:05:41.379 --> 01:05:53.762
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the care and compassion they had for each other was real, and real to them, and I like how the brantees delve a little deeper into the dark nuances that make up the human condition compared to someone like Austin traditionally.
01:05:54.082 --> 01:06:03.785
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that those look into the nuances of the morally gray, or just immoral in some cases, characters and decisions, and to say it's not romance because of that.
01:06:03.805 --> 01:06:06.665
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a critically waver between that camp.
01:06:06.985 --> 01:06:08.486
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think of that interpretation?
01:06:09.346 --> 01:06:17.188
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with that, in a lot of ways, and I think there's a lot to be said about specifically Pertha, our bad woman in the attic.
01:06:17.488 --> 01:06:20.408
[SPEAKER_00]: So just to make something clear is birth a part of our romance writing?
01:06:21.108 --> 01:06:22.609
[SPEAKER_02]: No, but I will explain why.
01:06:22.629 --> 01:06:25.769
[SPEAKER_02]: It's to the romance piece of things.
01:06:25.809 --> 01:06:32.170
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I think there's this sense of fellow feeling that is described so well in this book.
01:06:32.710 --> 01:06:34.251
[SPEAKER_02]: There's like this person is home,
01:06:36.887 --> 01:06:37.507
[SPEAKER_02]: Where I'm safe.
01:06:38.387 --> 01:06:46.469
[SPEAKER_02]: And Rochester does a lot of like he has a lot of antics like he does try and convince Jane that he's got a marry blanching room.
01:06:47.609 --> 01:06:50.150
[SPEAKER_02]: Just like you know prove that she really likes him.
01:06:50.630 --> 01:06:53.691
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like Mr. Rochester is all about the drama.
01:06:54.351 --> 01:06:58.632
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he is and I kind of love it here.
01:06:58.672 --> 01:07:00.032
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me give you an example of like.
01:07:00.931 --> 01:07:05.352
[SPEAKER_02]: They're talking about they're going for a walk and they often go for walks and just talk.
01:07:05.572 --> 01:07:10.914
[SPEAKER_02]: He's basically saying like, I found you another position because you said that you didn't want to be here when Lange and I get married.
01:07:10.994 --> 01:07:14.315
[SPEAKER_02]: So unfortunately it's an Ireland kind of sucks.
01:07:14.455 --> 01:07:17.536
[SPEAKER_02]: He starts saying it is a long way to Ireland Janet.
01:07:18.156 --> 01:07:19.977
[SPEAKER_02]: He calls her Janet as like a cute thing.
01:07:20.837 --> 01:07:26.499
[SPEAKER_02]: And I am sorry to send my little friend on such weary travels, but if I can't do better, how is it to be helped?
01:07:26.940 --> 01:07:28.140
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you anything akin to me?
01:07:28.160 --> 01:07:29.841
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think Jane?
01:07:30.401 --> 01:07:32.322
[SPEAKER_02]: I could risk no sort of answer by this time.
01:07:32.542 --> 01:07:33.342
[SPEAKER_02]: My heart was still.
01:07:34.242 --> 01:07:40.145
[SPEAKER_02]: Because he said, I sometimes have a queer feeling with regard to you, especially when you are near me as now.
01:07:40.765 --> 01:08:00.175
[SPEAKER_02]: It is if I had a string somewhere under my left ribs, tightly in an extricably nodded to a similar string situated in the corresponding quarter of your little frame, and if that voice just channel and 200 miles or so of land come broad between us, I'm afraid that the court of communion will be snapped, and then I've a nervous notion that I should take to bleeding inwardly.
01:08:01.095 --> 01:08:02.576
[SPEAKER_02]: as for you, you'd forget me.
01:08:03.277 --> 01:08:05.639
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, do you feel the same?
01:08:05.719 --> 01:08:08.201
[SPEAKER_00]: Basically, like, you got that string too, baby?
01:08:09.643 --> 01:08:09.943
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:08:10.083 --> 01:08:10.323
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:08:10.463 --> 01:08:17.209
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that idea of like a string connecting people is timeless.
01:08:17.890 --> 01:08:18.290
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
01:08:18.310 --> 01:08:18.410
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:08:19.451 --> 01:08:23.895
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's Greek myths or that's, there were that's a part of the story.
01:08:25.320 --> 01:08:26.320
[SPEAKER_00]: And I love that.
01:08:26.420 --> 01:08:37.045
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that where he just feels like, on my end, we're in extricably connected no matter what, fingers crossed, baby, you feel safe.
01:08:37.125 --> 01:08:39.206
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we just, uh, validate.
01:08:39.266 --> 01:08:44.288
[SPEAKER_02]: I got this weird feeling that, um, sometimes we're at a stroke of linked for life.
01:08:44.788 --> 01:08:46.509
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you leave me, I'll die.
01:08:46.529 --> 01:08:48.390
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you feel that too?
01:08:52.504 --> 01:09:13.558
[SPEAKER_02]: No pressure though and the thing is though like you get this these heads of his guilt the entire time Like he's so clear with her that like I am not perfect person I have so many faults and she also knows this because she's seen some shit like I don't know if this happens in the movie At one point she wakes up and like his beds just on fire
01:09:14.480 --> 01:09:15.841
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember everything being on fire.
01:09:16.082 --> 01:09:16.362
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
01:09:17.103 --> 01:09:21.667
[SPEAKER_02]: She just throws water out of him and he's like, ah, he tried to drown me.
01:09:21.687 --> 01:09:25.411
[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, no, I'm trying to save you and he looks running like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:09:25.451 --> 01:09:27.432
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, sure, sure, sure, sure, fire fire flames got it.
01:09:27.873 --> 01:09:35.240
[SPEAKER_02]: And then later on, I mean, comes to visit and Mr. Rochester wakes up James like, hey, can I get your help?
01:09:35.958 --> 01:09:53.910
[SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, she goes to tend to this man who is on the third floor in our bedroom, who is bleeding from his arm, like, the shoulder has been sort of ripped off and part of his arm has been is bleeding and that's human bite marks.
01:09:55.571 --> 01:10:00.714
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, you two don't talk don't you fucking talk I will be back with the surgeon.
01:10:00.855 --> 01:10:01.435
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't talk.
01:10:02.871 --> 01:10:06.934
[SPEAKER_02]: like she is there so many things that she is already overlooking and she knows this.
01:10:07.715 --> 01:10:10.798
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, we have to go through our gothic checklist by this point.
01:10:10.938 --> 01:10:11.858
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so sorry.
01:10:13.120 --> 01:10:13.680
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is true.
01:10:14.321 --> 01:10:17.843
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, like this is so gothic.
01:10:19.665 --> 01:10:24.269
[SPEAKER_00]: Just like random bite marks on people in the middle of the night that she's supposed to fucking solve.
01:10:24.789 --> 01:10:28.692
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so this is this is what we put while they're hiding through.
01:10:28.793 --> 01:10:29.233
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what we're
01:10:32.185 --> 01:10:33.906
[SPEAKER_00]: atmosphere and mystery of terror.
01:10:34.546 --> 01:10:38.028
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, set in dark isolated place.
01:10:39.209 --> 01:10:46.312
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, themes of death, slash supernatural, slash extreme emotions, slash complex characters.
01:10:47.112 --> 01:10:48.053
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we got all of those.
01:10:49.414 --> 01:10:50.074
[SPEAKER_00]: Antihiro's.
01:10:51.514 --> 01:10:51.774
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:10:52.595 --> 01:10:54.256
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say Rochester is an antihero.
01:10:54.276 --> 01:10:55.356
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, for sure.
01:10:55.416 --> 01:10:55.857
[SPEAKER_00]: In a way.
01:10:55.877 --> 01:10:57.277
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Jane is.
01:10:57.958 --> 01:10:58.158
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
01:10:58.318 --> 01:10:58.658
[SPEAKER_00]: Here we go.
01:10:58.678 --> 01:10:59.239
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the big one.
01:10:59.699 --> 01:11:10.545
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a piece of Gothic literature being a reaction against the Enlightenment's focus on reason by exploring the irrational and darker side of humanity.
01:11:11.706 --> 01:11:12.126
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, yeah.
01:11:12.166 --> 01:11:12.987
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a quote for that.
01:11:16.128 --> 01:11:21.030
[SPEAKER_02]: This is where we get into some interesting feminist conversations.
01:11:21.110 --> 01:11:28.854
[SPEAKER_02]: So, finally enough, this happens when Rochester is pretending to be a fortune teller, and he's basically like,
01:11:30.288 --> 01:11:35.272
[SPEAKER_02]: um let me see uh what's going on in here.
01:11:35.393 --> 01:11:37.314
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me see what's going on in your brain.
01:11:38.235 --> 01:11:46.261
[SPEAKER_02]: She's like I came here to acquire not to like confess because he had just been trying to be like do you love Mr. Rochester?
01:11:47.042 --> 01:11:48.544
[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, I'm not telling you that.
01:11:48.665 --> 01:11:50.107
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, he's about to get married.
01:11:50.487 --> 01:11:55.174
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't see what he has to do with anything, Mr. Rochester is like, okay fine.
01:11:55.214 --> 01:11:59.059
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, then let me read your fortune, but fortunes don't come from the palm.
01:11:59.099 --> 01:12:01.383
[SPEAKER_02]: They come from like looking at your face really closely.
01:12:07.023 --> 01:12:10.145
[SPEAKER_02]: cool cool cool cool and this is what he says to her.
01:12:10.905 --> 01:12:14.707
[SPEAKER_02]: Your fortune is yet doubtful when I examined your face one trait contradicted another.
01:12:15.247 --> 01:12:17.569
[SPEAKER_02]: Chances me to do a measure of happiness that I know.
01:12:18.209 --> 01:12:19.710
[SPEAKER_02]: I knew it before I came here this evening.
01:12:19.830 --> 01:12:21.711
[SPEAKER_02]: She has laid it carefully on one side for you.
01:12:21.951 --> 01:12:22.711
[SPEAKER_02]: I saw her do it.
01:12:23.192 --> 01:12:28.074
[SPEAKER_02]: It depends on yourself to stretch out your hand and take it up but whether you will do so is the problem I study.
01:12:28.414 --> 01:12:29.135
[SPEAKER_02]: Neal down on the rug.
01:12:30.035 --> 01:12:30.816
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't keep me for long.
01:12:30.856 --> 01:12:31.736
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, fire scorches me.
01:12:32.537 --> 01:12:32.697
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
01:12:33.678 --> 01:12:34.538
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, there's just the meal.
01:12:34.558 --> 01:12:37.260
[SPEAKER_00]: Who was, I know, it's all right.
01:12:37.800 --> 01:12:38.080
[SPEAKER_02]: OK.
01:12:39.121 --> 01:12:41.303
[SPEAKER_02]: So she kneels, and this is what he says.
01:12:41.523 --> 01:12:43.824
[SPEAKER_02]: The flame flickers in the eye, and the eye shines like do.
01:12:43.884 --> 01:12:45.325
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks soft and full of feeling.
01:12:45.385 --> 01:12:46.626
[SPEAKER_02]: It smiles at my jargon.
01:12:46.646 --> 01:12:47.507
[SPEAKER_02]: It is susceptible.
01:12:47.907 --> 01:12:52.270
[SPEAKER_02]: Impression falls and pressure through its clear sphere, where it ceases to smile, it is sad.
01:12:52.630 --> 01:12:55.772
[SPEAKER_02]: And so he keeps going, and is like, each piece, each piece.
01:12:56.192 --> 01:12:58.434
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is the part that I think about so much.
01:12:58.994 --> 01:13:03.911
[SPEAKER_02]: not only in terms of like the smart rating, but also in terms of like what this book.
01:13:04.808 --> 01:13:10.012
[SPEAKER_02]: means in the time that it was made, in the context that it was made and in the context that I read it.
01:13:10.092 --> 01:13:14.835
[SPEAKER_02]: So once again, it comes down to eyebrows because apparently that's what we do.
01:13:14.855 --> 01:13:27.223
[SPEAKER_02]: As it is want to do, as it is want to do, I see no enemy to a fortunate issue, but in the brow and the brow professors to say, I can live alone in self respect and circumstances need me to do so.
01:13:27.243 --> 01:13:29.845
[SPEAKER_02]: I need not sell my soul to buy bliss.
01:13:30.325 --> 01:13:36.728
[SPEAKER_02]: I have an inward treasure born with me, which can keep me alive if all extraneous delights should be withheld or off of you.
01:13:37.148 --> 01:13:38.789
[SPEAKER_02]: Only at a price I can afford to give.
01:13:39.429 --> 01:13:46.873
[SPEAKER_02]: The forehead declares, reasons it's firm and holds the reins and she will not let the feelings burst away and hurry to her wildcosms.
01:13:47.373 --> 01:13:59.024
[SPEAKER_02]: The passions may rage furiously, like true heathens as they are, and the desires may imagine all sorts of vain things, but judgment shall still have the last word in every argument, and the casting vote in every decision.
01:13:59.664 --> 01:14:07.592
[SPEAKER_02]: Strong wind, earth quakes shock, and fire may pass by, but I shall follow the guiding of that still small voice which interprets the dictates of conscience.
01:14:08.232 --> 01:14:11.215
[SPEAKER_02]: Well said, forehead, your declaration shall be respected.
01:14:11.535 --> 01:14:13.777
[SPEAKER_02]: I have formed my plans, right, plans, I deem them.
01:14:13.878 --> 01:14:18.502
[SPEAKER_02]: And in them, I have attended the claims of conscience, the counsels of reason.
01:14:20.063 --> 01:14:20.404
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
01:14:21.064 --> 01:14:21.425
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:14:21.865 --> 01:14:27.991
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's basically saying, you have desires and passions that you are not letting yourself express.
01:14:28.450 --> 01:14:30.632
[SPEAKER_00]: That's very modern, honestly.
01:14:31.112 --> 01:14:31.512
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
01:14:32.393 --> 01:14:40.159
[SPEAKER_02]: And you see that throughout the entire book, where she is literally forcing herself to be like, this is what you look like, this is what you deserve.
01:14:40.179 --> 01:14:41.720
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you don't deserve more than this.
01:14:41.900 --> 01:14:52.788
[SPEAKER_02]: And there are so much beauty in a girl who has a whiff held so much for himself to get something.
01:14:58.595 --> 01:15:03.538
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that there's like just surprisingly high-smot rating here because there are so many power dynamics.
01:15:04.198 --> 01:15:07.740
[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say this is honestly like we're getting to like kinky in combat here.
01:15:07.760 --> 01:15:08.881
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree.
01:15:09.561 --> 01:15:10.301
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
01:15:12.353 --> 01:15:14.234
[SPEAKER_00]: bummer that that's going to have to wait for part two.
01:15:14.835 --> 01:15:15.235
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
01:15:15.595 --> 01:15:16.016
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
01:15:16.616 --> 01:15:27.343
[SPEAKER_02]: But I hope you guys are understanding like how much this book means to me how much it means to so many people and why.
01:15:27.363 --> 01:15:33.187
[SPEAKER_02]: Because that if I can just if I can just give that to someone, then I've done my job.
01:15:33.747 --> 01:15:36.389
[SPEAKER_00]: Then do you want to leave us with one quote?
01:15:36.929 --> 01:15:38.070
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually have the perfect one.
01:15:38.450 --> 01:15:38.850
[SPEAKER_02]: It's here up.
01:15:43.269 --> 01:15:45.770
[SPEAKER_02]: Seast that chatter, blockhead, and do my bidding.
01:15:45.790 --> 01:16:01.517
[SPEAKER_02]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey readers, quick heads up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This week's episode contains references to adult romantic and sexual relationships.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If that's not your thing, no worries.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to Paperback Pleasures.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Annabelle, and I'm Romy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're here to talk all things romance literature from the origin of erotica to the soon-worthy classics to modern romantasy sagas and everything in between, one book at a time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are so happy you're here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk romance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, 100, 100, 100.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 100 episodes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's so crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is insane.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't believe that people still listen to us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every episode is dedicated to you guys, about 100 episodes in this episode is in every meaningful way dedicated to our listeners.
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[SPEAKER_02]: the fact that there is not only like one person, but more than one person, that every week or whenever they feel is like, you know who I want to listen to and it's me, it's me, it's the person that I've been living within my own head for my whole life and my best friend and we get to be a part of your life and
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[SPEAKER_02]: God, what a privilege.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I am so, so honored.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think a privilege is the absolute perfect way to put that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When Invalon I were brainstorming about a project that we could do together that would become a small business.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We knew it would be a business no matter what.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was unemployed at the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we kind of were like, well, what if we did a romance on the bookstore?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is before they were everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I will say not to be hipster about it, but it was at the time really not very saturated market.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Annabelle first out of business school was like well we have to have like a presence first to see if people like this idea and born of that was this idea of social media and upon cast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember saying Annabelle was going to listen to us and she was like you never know where many people like and it's that attitude that has got us here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and like it's not even just anyone who's listening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's very, very cool people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We are so, so lucky.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like getting to interact with everyone in our discord, getting emails from people, the listener question answers, and any of you out there who haven't said anything yet, too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's, it's been such a great group of people that like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel really lucky that I've met other people to share this very solitary love of books with.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And to like take things that make me like giggle and kick my feet or like get me really frustrated, they make me feel big feelings that aren't real and have very real conversations about them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That like continue to reshape my brain every time we do this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of you have been here since the very beginning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, since the first TikTok video where we're like, hey, we kind of don't want to do this thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyone interested?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And several of you found us and we're like, yeah, every single listener means so much to us, but I want to give a special shout out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know who you are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: at core group of people who have been with us for a hundred episodes for years now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys have not only become just loyal listeners and massive contributors to the podcast, but very, very dear friends in the process.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was gotten to meet some of you in real life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've gotten to meet one of you and now is very dear in real life, friend as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know we say this all the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Genuinely, this would not be possible without every single one of you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're very aware that we do not have a massive listening audience in the scope of podcast fame Every single time I say I have a podcast the first question people always ask me is Well, how many people listen to you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: and I can't sit here and be like thousands of people every single episode but that also doesn't matter to me and I hate that that's a question that people ask first always because that's the measure of success to so many people and I'm sitting here with my best friend in the world 100 episodes in on something we have worked our asses all for for several years now with this group of people who have been listening to us in stay one or people who have found us
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[SPEAKER_00]: that to me is success.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is how I measure it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It has opened my eyes up to so many new books and tropes and ways of loving and pleasure and amazing conversations and points of view.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This podcast and this project has brought so much to my life personally and that's because all of you who believed in us got us here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, this is not a eulogy, this is an introduction.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're not going anywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very clear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I mentioned working our ass off in about nine, we're just chatting about this before we record, which is like, we do kind of have these moments of check-ins throughout the year, where it's like, is this too much work?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are we still doing this for the right reasons?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And every single time, we end up saying, gals keep going.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, even during the hard parts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Even in one life is crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're both like, you know, we've got a really good thing going.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And honestly, when you think about it, like, you are a solid percentage of our, of our content here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So like, this is your 100th episode.
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[UNKNOWN]: Think about it that way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think people, I think people like how mysterious you are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you have that edge to you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that being said, it is no October, happy spooky season to all who celebrate, and you know exactly what we're doing for episode 100, which is our yearly tradition now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going Gothic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're watching on YouTube, I have my skeleton ready, reporting ready to go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it all looks like she just walked out of like American horror story in like the hottest
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[SPEAKER_00]: Pollars always there, but this time I've got black velvet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is something so timeless about black velvet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One thing that we have to tell you guys about how we're celebrating Episode 100 is that when we're not recording this, we're busy recording other things, which is just like
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like QI of the Tiger, pitting every single literary lover we've ever talked about on this episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's 182 names against each other to see who comes out on top.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it is random, like there is no, there is a method to our decisions along the way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But like in terms of who was pitted against you for the starting bracket, it's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have had to leave behind like my heart hurts so much of the decisions we've had to make.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're only three rounds in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're saving that for our Patreon, but so far as a little, little glimpse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And about what is the hardest person we've had to vote out so far?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, it's almost been harder to watch people I think under-serving advance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But let me go to the text.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sight the primary source.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me say the primary source.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Damn, it's been, it's been tough out here, guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've had some significant losses and we're really worried that it's going to come down to adult Darcy from pregnant prejudice and teenage Darcy from most art, like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I had a really hard time with psyche from electric idol being out in round one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That yeah, that was that was hard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another little hint for y'all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Christian Gray got a buy the first round.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it was just without our consent a theme for him just pushed forward in in the competition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I will say in about voted out the wicker husband real early.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you understand who again steal get it, I will say it's been a bit of a massacre as far as the chestnut springs, bells and bows go, well, there are a lot of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One that was really hard to leave behind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And my, in my opinion, we've had to give up eight in Valentine from first time caller.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That one hurt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was tough.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Look, you have to earn that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't get access to the things that will get me canceled without a small fee.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is one of the biggest ways we are celebrating our 100th is taking a microscope and putting all of our literary lovers in the fucking Colosseum and seeing who comes out
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I'm ready with my red wine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm ready with my skeleton shirt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm ready with my dramatic eye makeup.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Annabelle, what is the Catholic masterpiece?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are talking about today for episode 100.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Jane Eyre, I'm so happy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This has been a long time coming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Before that podcast even started, we made a list.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I still have the list of books we knew we wanted to cover at some point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jane Eyre has been on the list for Annabelle since before we started the podcast, you guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a huge, huge deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going back to the bronchets and we're going back to one of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the books helped define the genre.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I, I fucking love this book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought rereading it for this episode that I would like have different feelings now that I'm older.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I know what happens.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I reread it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like fully swept away in the exact same way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was really, no beautiful, yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But this is one of those books that like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think my mom gave it to me and I was like fine, I'll read like a Barnes and Noble classic and started it and was like, whoa.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I was unavailable for comment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How old were you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was in middle school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: God, you're so fucking smart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't gain air in middle school and falling in love with it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so special, Annabelle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope you understand that about yourself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that what happened was I just like would skim over the words that I didn't understand and was like, let's get to the good stuff specifically genuinely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've read this book before I still earned a vocabulary reading this book at this age so you not I mean the pros is oh my god okay so when you were in middle school and you're like, let's get to the good stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What was the good stuff?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, the good stuff was the romance for sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The romance and the mystery, because there are so many hints that something is wrong, but you don't know that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so this was your sleeper hit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, which is why this week, we asked you all what your sleeper hits were.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what were the books that you got?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you started them and you were like, I was unprepared for how sucked in I would be
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like another sleeper hit for you was morning glory milking farm and I love the dichotomy between Jane air and morning glory milking farm ending up on this list for you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I, you know what, we can tell if we contain multitudes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, who do you want to start with?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to start with Liz from our discord.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hello, Liz.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hi, Liz.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She says mine is Emily Wilde's encyclopedia of fairies.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I really want to read that one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't read it either.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been on my shelf for years because it's kind of a sleeper hit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People either love it or don't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She says it was chosen for book club
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, she says it sounded not for me at all, but all three soon for books are some of my most favorite books now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The writing is very dry and academic when you first start reading, but that is because you are reading a professor's professional journal and Goths is actually the best part.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This of course, he comes less dry and more fantastical, but that academia angle is still there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I am still just a giant nerd.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you're perfect because of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, we accept nerds of all kinds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man, Liz, I just adore you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Miranda answered, and, you know what, Miranda?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I knew this is exactly what you were gonna say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anything ever in by Abby Hemeniz.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Miranda's the one that got us to read Abby Hemeniz.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, you guys don't understand it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So romance in Minnesota, and it's perfect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You gotta do it, and finally a few years and we finally did it, and you proved us right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 100%.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She says, I swear that author just knows how to write a romance book and makes it feel authentic and real.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the book just for the summer, easily in my top favorite romance books of all time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I took a chance on her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was expecting a simple romance boy meets girl and overhyped book from booktalk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If anything, it's truly underrated in my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The romance, the passion, the yearning, the real-life problems, the real-life issues, understanding that life isn't perfect, but doesn't mean that it isn't beautiful, or that you won't get your happy ending.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Her latest book,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you guys heard us in our Abbey Himain's episode?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I will continue reading her books.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Love to just for the summer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Be on just the hometown connection.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was a great book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was like so messy, but so well done.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like it's top of mind because we had several showdowns with Ab-Mena's characters in our brackets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sarah has come in with grave matter by Karina Halley.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, Sarah?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I promise this is on the list for this next year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I promise Sarah reached out to us and she's like, please, please, please, please, please, please, please review this and I said, she will.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yes, we will do it because I downloaded it the second you asked us to review it and has been on my list and we are going to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I promise this is me putting the sound of the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We will be reviewing this book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It takes us a while to get to everything because we have to plan a couple
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every single time you guys ask us to review something, we look at, we figure out if it works with our format, if it is a romance, et cetera, because sometimes people do request books for us to review that our romance is, and we just, that's just on our format, but we have a master list that we keep in this crazy fucking Google sheet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that keeps us on, it keeps our life organized.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Keep behind the curtain, Romeo likes to type in all caps, and it drives me in pain.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You love me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sarah continues.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's about a female grad student who goes to an island in the Pacific Northwest in order to do research.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we've been in STEM.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a Regent Rap.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, Professor Student Relationship.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Fuck yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Stocker vibes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Magic mushrooms.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Haunted Forest Atmosphere.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Fuck me up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And BDSMs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This book was a written for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a, it's like a menu.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's on the list.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have a justine answer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, justine has this beautiful beautiful beautiful habit of utilizing our email, which we love and writing us small essays to respond to our questions and justine seriously every single time one of your email slans at our
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[SPEAKER_00]: It makes my entire week and I am able to say the same thing I assure you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We tax each other about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really exciting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, we are just going to take a snippet of Justine's answer today and we're going to save the whole answer for our Patreon along with Trish and Emily's responses.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, here's your tease.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a snippet that we chose to share from Justine's answer today for our sleeper hints.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She says, it cringy as it is, I often took book recommendations from the characters of shows that I watched.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's like cringy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's smart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God, Justin, I knew I loved you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Listen to this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jane from Jane the Virgin, one of my favorite shows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Justin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I love Jane the Virgin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she says Jane from the Jane the Virgin gave me one of the sleeper hits I ended up falling for the title character is an author and her favorite author is Isabel I. Yenday yes, all right choice I end it is notable for her work in magical realism genre and that's where I fell in love justine is about again days also one of my all time favorite authors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my God, the way she writes magical realism is like no other is about like an actually does make a guest appearance in Jane the Virgin.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Really, there was a series of years where I would get a different Isabella and daybook for every Christmas and I would immediately read it and immediately forget everything that I just read because it was so good and so surreal and so amazing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's thanks to my English classes in high school that I discovered Isabella and I, Mr. K Wood, had us read in the house of the spirits, he created a class dedicated to magical realism.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that was senior year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, and I took it as an elective because I was like, I don't know what this means.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to learn everything about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in the house of the spirits, I said, again, it's the first book we read in that class.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, this is incredible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think honestly, that was my biggest like gateway into light fantasy, which you guys know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love so much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, justine continues, because obviously we're always in the same page.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the house of the spirits, rewired my brain, she says.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was family, it was tradition, it was multi-generational, it was magic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Most importantly, it was a major yarkle storytelling on a level I'd yet to witness in real life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The recognizable and I argue patriarchal storytelling art of characters meeting, rising conflict, climax, everything is fixed, happy ending is not part of her narratives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The story is in the perseverance of the mothers and daughters as the world throws everything at canon at them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I read several of Isabelle Gende's works after that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They are rough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: not gonna lie but I love them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The magical realism genre especially as written and conceived in Latin America just sings to me and it's really important here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is me again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just to know that magical realism is rooted in Latin America culture.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is where it comes from.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is its roots.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is a Gabrielle Garcia Marquez, et cetera.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Justine, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We will save the rest of your answer for Patreon but that is that is so important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is so, so cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I love love love love that answer so much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, especially because like we're talking about Gothic literature today, Gothic literature has so much repercussion in everything we read today, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can say something about magical realism.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, especially this book, and I shout out to Chelsea on Tompens, who would be posting this to Instagram, just respond
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we can safely say Jane Arrows also her sleeper hit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jane Arrows is Chelsea Antonkins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Favorite book of all time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know this because we talk about it all the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and actually she also recommended version that it is a like LA theater production play interpretation of Jane Arrows that has the most incredible audio effects.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like want to take an evening and light a bunch of candles and just listen to it in the dark because it's so haunting and so good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But this book, like, truly has bold me over in so many ways.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just read it for this episode, but Romeo, I know it's been a minute for you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What do you remember of Jane Eyre?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I need to know what your sleeper hit is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's Jane Eyre, bitch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know if you were going to come up with another title because that was so perfect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I did it for Wolfson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, yeah, this is my reread.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, do you have a sleeper hit?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have so many sleeper hits, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have so many books that I return to, over and over and over again, that I read as a guilty pleasure and I'm like, shit, that's a good book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is like pseudo sleeper hit when we read lights out for the podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that was our first book of the year last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I knew it would be entertaining that I had no doubt on my mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was very popular.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was not expecting to love it as much as I did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was one of those moments where hipster ass reader wrote me, goes, oh shit, one of the popular books is actually good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dove course it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Most books are popular for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: we're learning but the other one is a series of you guys have heard me talk about a million times there's a ton other in my Kindle this is the one that comes to mind because the title is just so silly in the premises so silly it is the villainous things series by C. Rachelle the first book is called not all hymboes werecapes
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love these books so much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These silly silly characters have my entire heart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're so fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're so kinky.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're hysterical.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're swoony.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you want something fun, please, please, please give.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not all him bows were capes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A chance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: High spice, high swoon, high fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: High disconnect from reality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Have fun with it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was definitely a super hit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's nothing
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was not prepared.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I will say a lot of the sleeper hits for me have been YA books that you've recommended.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, are you thinking about far wilder magic?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm thinking of a far wilder magic and I'm thinking of a few other several of them where I was not expecting to be as swept away as I was in the best right possible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know how I found a far wilder magic?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a Kindle ad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I found a lot of great books as it is Kindle ads.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Damn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, song once upon a time was a sleeper hit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, how I can even throw down a vibers on that list because I read that when I just want something fun and smarty.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and it's funny to when we think about the expectations that we have, because I look back on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Especially when I was reading this in middle school and to me like classic books felt like an obligation where it was like, oh adults tell me I have to read this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Whereas like anything that was more YA and maybe more new felt like something I was choosing for myself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was always surprised when like something that was prescribed to me really hit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think I think about different classics differently now, because I've read so many that have resonated with me where I'm like, oh, the odds of this being amazing are relatively high.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But for a long time, that was not the case.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's in part like having a family that was very literary and pushed a lot of books on me before I was really ready for them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was worried about that with Jane Eyre, but
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, this is a crazy book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you think it's like regular classic literature.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is like
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[SPEAKER_02]: soap opera level crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It really is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's a braente, but great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But when you think soap opera level crazy, completely different from weathering heights in its soap opera.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, how we had to have an entire episode of Suthergide's dedicated just to the fucking plot, because it was so insane.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jane air is a little bit more put together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Charlotte,
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[SPEAKER_00]: which I know you're going to dive into, but this is still a lot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's intense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's also first person, which was not super normal for the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like a coming of age.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We start with Jane as a kid and grow with her through adulthood.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So much happens.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's so much that we don't know that's revealed slowly over time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's really gripping in that way, too, because you have so many questions just alongside Jane.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know Earl B.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're like, Romney, what do you remember from this book?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, bitch, you have to answer the question first.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you were right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was in the wrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was just really excited.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want me to answer that question now?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because you just re-read this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You may answer, yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, um, so I haven't read this book in maybe 10 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How old were you when you read it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: High school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, you must have been old.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Doing some mac here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ouch.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Guess how old we are, listen, it's no, don't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I really feel my wife really quick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, she's a drinking age.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I also was what I read this book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I will say, I think I've watched the 2011 film more recently than I have read it because I loved that film interpretation of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I loved it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of many series of this book as well that are also fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, I'm going to go off of what I remember which is probably a combo pack of book versus Booby and you can correct me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like you said, we have Jane as a child.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, she's living with her aunt and uncle but her uncle dies and so she's living like with her mean aunt and her mean kids and the kids pick on her a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a horrible living situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's gothic literature, no child is allowed to be happy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the little boy who lives there is like super super mean to her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think his sisters are very nice to her either the aunt hates her and one of the big like formative scenes that I remember from her life in this house is the red room.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and not Christian Grey's red room of pain, which is like the BDSM theme.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a whole other kind of red room of pain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was thinking about this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh my god, is that where he got red room of pain?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hate that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because Anna Stasia from 50 shades of grey was based off of Bella, who red-worthering heights, who was written by the sister of Charlotte Bronte, who had the original red room.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you need a cork board and some string?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, again, I am the Charlie Day meme of the, oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, this is kind of where our first intro into the supernatural of the story, I believe, where she's locked in the room as punishment for something fabricated that the little boy that she lives with accused her of doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the movie, it's like smoke comes billowing out of the fireplace and a lot just like a lot of mysticism,
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[SPEAKER_00]: happens, and it's a child's imagination, but it's a very Gothic and scary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really traumatizing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fast forward, the aunt is just desperate to get rid of her, and so she's like, she is a vile child.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She needs to go to its horrifying boarding school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where if you guys remember in our weathering heights episode, we did talk about how the bronchets were sent to this kind of questionable boarding school where like half of their family died, and then it came back home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that I, my guess is this is direct correlation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Santa's horrifying boarding school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's humiliated, very, very strong religious overtones, really like there's, I'm like there's zero health care.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, nobody had health care at this point in history.
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[SPEAKER_00]: CDC Rooney.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was absolutely no care for the children.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this was not a place where children went and felt safe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a place where children went were punished.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She
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[SPEAKER_00]: at the school who ends up dying like in bed with her or something horrifying like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jane is never allowed to go back during holidays or vacations so she stays at the school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember if she had a nice teacher at one point but I remember when she grows up she becomes a nice teacher and she kind of helps change the culture of the school a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not gonna nod or anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you're remembering a lot, so- I'm okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, thank God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After that, for some reason, I remember the child who trauma a little bit more than the romance, which is weird for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then she leaves she gets hired to become the not many, the governess at the super league big fancy house, remind me of the house's name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't feel it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't feel it at all, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is a haul or just thorn field?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's thorn field manner.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They mostly refer to it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just as thorn field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so she gets hired by this mysterious Mr. Rochester or maybe the housekeeper or something to come to care of charges at thorn field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so she arrives at thorn field in the movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She meets Mr. Rochester who owns thorn field because she scares his horse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember if that happens in the book or not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very dramatic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You like falls off his horse and the like yells at her and she's just like, I'm here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, so she, okay, cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She is governance for a while, Mr. Rochester.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember how the kids are related to him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: at all, but for some reason, there's children in his house that need a governance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The house is super spooks, all your typical, gothic creepiness, bad dreams, weird smells, bumps in the night, etc.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mr. Rochester obviously, super rich has women kind of like falling all over him, and so like there will be like parties at the estate from time to time, where
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[SPEAKER_00]: especially one blonde chick comes along and really wants to marry him for his money and he has always like very like go-shwitch friends and Jane Eyres just kind of sitting there as like was like small, mouthy kind of like very like supposedly simple woman sitting there as the governess but Mr. Rochester like makes her be part of a lot of like the entertainment too which is kind of like, you
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[SPEAKER_00]: The whole time Jane is kind of seeing these attributes of Mr. Rochester, but also he's not super great, you know, he's very much like by Ron Akiro as far as the bronchets go, I would argue.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, then something, everything's on fire, um, if I'm remembering correctly, uh, and then fast forward somehow Jane and Mr. Rochester fall in love and they're getting married, spoiler alert, they're getting married, and someone like charges in during the wedding ceremony.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, no, you can't do that because he's already married, different goes, go, what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, Mr. Rochester is like, yes, it's true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I need to show you by shame.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, marches her up to the fucking attic of Thorinfield Hall or Manor or whatever, the fuck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a fucking shit locked in the attic, fucking Bertha.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Poor Bertha.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fuckin' Bertha, man, who says first wife walks in the attic because she went crazy, but also like, modern lens is she crazy or is she just a woman?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It should be a little little details, but that's okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You could fill the gaps there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Jane goes, oh my god, and like rips off her wedding gown and just runs into the moors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then if you're watching the 2011 movie, she runs to the rock face where Elizabeth Bennett has her big private prejudice moment for Liz on top of the world from 2001, private prejudice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, so she runs and runs and runs, it's like raining and horrible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like across the moors, you're hearing,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jane, I love you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jane, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, because of Mr. Rochester's like calling across the Morse to her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then she runs and she flings herself at someone's door and the super religious dude opens up the door and saves her life because she's like about to die because it's, you know, forever ago and if you got caught in the rain, you basically die.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so she hides there, she gives him a fake name, she hides there for a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're literally just students wants to marry her and she goes, oh my god, no, and then once again finds yourself sprinting across the mors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then at the end, somehow she makes it back to Thor and Field, but also Mr. Rochester is blind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, and then they live happily ever after.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How do I do?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You did really well, Row.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, really?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really impressed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you be honest?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like I made half that up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like there are definitely differences between the books and the movie that are in the book and the movie that are showing through.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I saw the 2011 version when it came out in 2011, and I remember not liking it and basically being like, I don't think this book can be interpreted in film form, so that's the only one I've seen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really, you should watch some of the mini-series.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you'd like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I loved the 2011 movie because I found it very, very beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I really liked it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They had somebody who was not generically gorgeous playing Jane Era.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was really important because she's not supposed to be some great beauty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought she delivered that really, really, that famous famous, famous monologue where she goes just because I am little and poor, like you think me without any spirit or whatever it is,
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I really liked the movie, however, you have a deeper connection with this book than I do because I, during weathering heights episode, I also said I don't think this book can be interpreted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe there's something to be said there about Gothic this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, or the Brontace, um, specifically, a genre brought into themselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so please fill in the gaps or tell me where I was just wrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that there are a couple of really important pieces here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There is like a very strong religious overtone throughout the entire book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that I think reads a little differently today than it would then.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like there are some details about how things come to light.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like for example, the day that she marries Mr. Rochester in the church, it's just her Mr. Rochester and the priest.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then two people come in through the side.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and it's everything literally after the whole thing goes down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, it was a quiet morning, like no one raised their voice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was totally fine and yet my world is completely different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and she kind of takes it all in stride.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She is a very inward person, which is why I think it's a really hard thing to interpret on screen because, for example, Kathy is so external and so is Heathcliff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Mr. Rochester is too to a degree, but it's her inner monologue, which we get through the first person narrative that it gives this so much resonance to me and so much depth of meaning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It sounds like some of the really important quotes comes through in some of the film adaptations, but that's one part that I think is just really important to understand about her specifically.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A couple of things that you missed that I think you would really enjoy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if this happens in the film.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how they would do it in a way that is reasonable, but at one point Mr. Rochester
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, I forgot about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I cannot remember if that happens in the movie or not, but I do remember that from the book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's giving Henry the Aves, pretending to be a beggar when Anna of Cleans got off the ship.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a really nice reference.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so sorry for anybody else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm talking about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was very niche.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, basically a man trying to discern a woman's interest, and he does that for all of the women in the party.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He pretends to be an old gypsy woman in the book, so like a traveler, and read everyone's fortunes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And everyone's like, oh my god, this woman, you so much about me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how she did it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Jane figures it out that it's him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Of course.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How did you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And she's like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was something in there, like a view that I just couldn't ignore.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's this like magnetism between the two that's very beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A couple of other things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She does have a really great teacher, a mist temple.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so there wasn't a nice teacher.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, who's a really important person to her.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And another piece that like really comes through in terms of the way that the story is told, but might be harder to interpret on the screen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: is like her nature fighting with the way the world wants her to be.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When she is a child in that household who is dealing with all of this pain and injustice, she refuses to back down in so many ways.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She stands up to Mrs. Reed, her aunt and is like, you are a cruel woman and if anyone asks me
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember being very, very blown away and forgetting that from the book and the movie was a nice reminder to me that even as a child, she knew who she was and she knew right from wrong and she had this kind of like vindication where she kind of knew that the world was always going to be off-kilter for her, but she wasn't going to let that stop her from standing up for herself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like we see that several times throughout the book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And she has this restlessness to her too, that even beyond the sense of right and wrong, she loves the idea of travel and of learning and seeing new things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, when she's a little girl, she's really obsessed with all of her travels.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She thinks all of it's real.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And she loves looking at books and imagining the world beyond going for walks, etc.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Which seems to be a theme with the
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[SPEAKER_00]: and danger walks, and then, hey, she wrote one of the writings.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I suspect they had some conversations about all of these things, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can I ask you kind of about, you know more about the bronchases of the whole than I do?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I really just know like when I research from my episode about Ellie, the way religion was used in weathering heights was really just through this like one fanatical character Joseph, who was a servant and he was he was written as a fanatic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Jane Eyre, your right, has a lot more religious overtones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, within the school, within who ultimately saves her when she's running away from Mr. Rochester, from what you know about the bronchets, do you have any idea why that is?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because they interpreted religion so differently.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, their father was a perpetual curate of St. Michael and all angels church.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I know this was a really long time ago, and I'm so sorry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was not racing a Christian household.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What kind of question is that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to ask that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to try that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What denomination is that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: At this point, it's like the United Church of England.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, so it is still church of England.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it's Anglican.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because this is, this is after, yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Quick minor history lesson in Roly's brain happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had to go back to Henry and his wife's.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go back to Anne Bolin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry to see if he and then realize and this was written after that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they grow up with a father, his job is to be a religious center in the community.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They also grow with a lot of struggles that I believe caused them to sort of interpret faith in ways that are more individualistic because it's so painful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: real.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So a couple of things and this is we can just use this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is a segue into like the context for this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Charlotte had a little bit of a different upbringing than Emily pop quiz.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who is the older sister?
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[SPEAKER_00]: it was Charlotte acted like the older sister.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was older, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was older.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's the reason we have these books today is because of Charlotte.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, like I mean for all that I'm an Emily Stan, none of this would exist without Charlotte Brontai.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That that much I remember from my research and she very much it cracked me if I'm wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember compared to Emily at least and I'm sorry we haven't even mentioned it yet, but she's hanging out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A Charlotte was more focused on appearance maybe and making sure that they fit into society in certain ways.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think she understood the importance of that more than her sister is that fair to say?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean it's all up to interpretation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's unfair to say.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They all balanced it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a hard time to be a woman.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, man, they all had a really tough childhood.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Charlotte had maybe an even tougher childhood than them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Charlotte was sent away to the clergy daughter school with three of her sisters, Maria Bronte, Elizabeth Bronte and Emily Bronte.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you know, Emily Bronte.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Have you ever heard of Maria and whoever the other one was, Elizabeth?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, do you know why?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You haven't heard of them because they died as they died pretty quickly at that school, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Was it TB on clear, but Charlotte continued to get sick throughout her life and it attributed to her time at that school.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not all us chronic illness, girl.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she died at 38.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Damn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She and she out lived doubly, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she sent in tenant of World of Feld Hall by Anne.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But weathering heights by Emily and another of her books that didn't get accepted all to a publishing house and gave them all pseudonyms.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Originally her bell would be Charlotte.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think reading this as though it's written by a man versus as though it's written by a woman is suit such an interesting lens.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, especially for this book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember with mothering heights, it was like this is so vial that of course it had to be written by a man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did people feel that way about Jane Eyre because Jane Eyre to me reads more as a romance than weathering heights does?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was much more accepted in its time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of people thought it was great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They were right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I also feel that having it be under a male name would maybe make some of the feminist assertions in it slightly more palatable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, hate that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She, she countered that in some ways too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So more to come there, but yes, what's written here about the school is very much based on her experience as a kid in a school, watching everyone around her suffering die and severely suffering herself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Luckily, she and Emily left and she was sent to a different school and then came back and worked as a teacher there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, to this point, this is almost biographical.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and she specifically went to a boarding school in Brussels where she was a student came back as a teacher and it was in part to like improve language foreign language, which languages French which there's a lot of French in Jane air and I was reading just like the free version that I could find and I was like damn if I couldn't read French.
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[SPEAKER_02]: this would suck.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So fair warning, if you're getting a copy, try and get an annotated copy, so that you can understand the French, because also rereading this as an adult, like I understand French so much better now, so it was like a lot more fulfilling in a lot of ways.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But here's what I think you're going to lose your mind.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She had a fair with a married man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: who was charled.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Who's a what?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Her boss.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ehh!
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you have the audacity to say, to workplace romance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, his wife ripped up her letters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you mean he was based on Mr. Rogers?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, Mr. Rogers, there was based on him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, it's just Mr. Rogers, he's so much more real.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He read her notes and was like, oh, wait, the wife ripped up the notes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then they survived.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Put them back together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, taped it on, exist back then.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what are we saying, put them back together?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do not know how, so the wife put them back together.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I believe, okay, the wife put them back together and might have been the husband that ripped them up and it says in a lot of places that it was an unreccoated love that she had for him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She loved him or he loved her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She loved him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, but they were having an affair, so they were fucking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She fell in love and no, they, sorry, they were not fucking.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just an emotional affair.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, crazy, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, Charlotte, you little minks, I love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that she probably wouldn't describe herself that way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so when you say that she based Mr. Rochester off of him, do we know what traits she brought in from this man?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Would you like to hear a description of this man from a letter that she wrote?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I've been para for yourself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is such a soap opera.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know it's so crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's one individual of whom I have not yet spoken.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Missier Heger, the husband of Madame, he is a professor of rhetoric, a man of power as to mind, but very cleric and irritable and temperament, a little black ugly being with a face that varies in expression.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes he bios the linaments of an insane Tomcat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm talking to those of a delirious hyena occasionally, but very seldom he describes these parallel attractions and assumes an air not above a hundred degrees removed from what you would call mild and gentleman like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's so great because one thing I do remember from the book is that Jane air describes Mr. Rochester as not handsome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he asks her if she thinks that he's
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's actually a pretty funny exchange.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let me give you a couple of Mr. Rochesterisms.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She meets him in this weird circumstance where he falls off his horse.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like just not super polite.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like he calls her down to just sit with him while everyone's hanging out after dinner.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's just like rude.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's bored.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One of the things that he says is,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Go to the library.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if you please excuse my tone of command.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm used to say do this and it is done.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I cannot alter my customary habits for one new inmate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Go then into the library.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Take a candle with you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Leave the door open sit down to the piano and play a tune.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, see, I'm cop between like yes, daddy and fuck off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know and that's kind of where you end up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and he like says terrible things like all right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Here we go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I am not fond of the proddle of children he continued for old Boschler as I am.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have no pleasant associations connected with their list.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It would be intolerable to me to pass a whole evening Tettotet with a brat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's really funny and then meanwhile like a kid is in the room.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like he's saying this with her there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Shane air is literally only there because she has kids that need to be taking care of.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mind you, people in the room.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Jane air a child and old lady.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What does he say next?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't draw the chair further off Miss air sit down exactly where I placed it if you please that is can found these civilities I continually forget them nor do I particularly affect simple minded old ladies by the buy I must have mine in mind it won't do to neglect her she is a fair facts or what to on and blood is said to be thicker than water like he just does not
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[SPEAKER_02]: He just does not want to be nice to people at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I will say, so, Ann, about do you consider the seromance?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Remember in weathering heights where we had this couple that only the way they were lovable is through each other's eyes?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Isn't that kind of the draw for this as well?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I think Jane Eyre herself is lovable in many ways, but Mr. Rochester, I don't know who else could love him the way that Jane Eyre does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I felt that way and then I read it and I was like, you know, no, it's so beautiful because
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[SPEAKER_02]: For the first part of their friendship and it starts as a friendship, he is just talking to her and like confessing things he's done and like she's like, he talks a lot but like I enjoy it and I'm finding him really interesting and slowly over time it becomes more of a dialogue and he pays such close attention to her reactions.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like every single time that's.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's so upfront with her about his flaws.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he like he tries to explain his story and he tries so hard to be understood.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like he's talking about, for example, the child that you were wondering where she comes from, Adele, who comes from a out-of-web lock relationship he had with a French opera singer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The child is said to be his
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[SPEAKER_02]: He kind of doesn't think so, and neither does Jane, but he's like, I'm repenting for my sins, so I'm caring for this child, even though I don't like children.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And with this French opera singer, she was cheating on him and he found out he's trying to explain how that made him feel to her.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he goes, you never felt jealousy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Did you miss air?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Of course not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I need not ask you because you never felt love.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Both sentiments yet to experience your soul sleeps.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The shock is yet to be given that she'll wake it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You think all existence lapses and as quiet a flow, as that with gender youth has hithertoed slid away.
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[SPEAKER_02]: the man's planning, which like also, he's more than twice her age.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, and she's spent her entire life living in a school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, fine, maybe it's a little founded, but just being like you've never felt love is a little rude.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But what he says about their conversation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: is the more you and I converse, the better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: For well, I cannot blight you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You may refresh me, you said like she's so good and like so sure of herself and so sure of right and wrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I can't convince you to be more like me and terrible, but like you can make me better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's so...
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[SPEAKER_00]: sweet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like we're heading headlong into the romance raining.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Should we listen to the narration first?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, here I go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 880 years after its publication, Jane Eyre has rooted itself into the hearts of generations as a beloved classic that continues to inspire readers and writers today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Within Charlotte Brontay's brilliant novel is a deeply moving story of rejection, independence, and the pursuit of love with an unnerving mystery at its center.
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[SPEAKER_01]: as the titular character Jane has survived her childhood as an unmoved orphan in her hands-home, where her free spirit and quick wit gets her banished to a charity school for girls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There she learns about friendship and pursuing her own convictions, leaving the school at 18 to become the governess of Thornfield Hall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: a free and hardworking woman, Jane finds peace and happiness in her new position, and her first experience of love, when she finds herself falling for the sardonic, broody, and disheartedly not handsome, lonely master of the house, Mr. Edward Fairfax, Rochester.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And though Jane finds everything she's ever wanted and folding before her, something is a mess at Thornton Field Hall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Something is coming to challenge her independence and beliefs, but most of all, the indomnable spirit that connects her to the only man she has ever loved.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Annabelle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm tearing up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is Chelsea Antopkins, my friends.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god!
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is not only a dear friend of ours, but a very well-known local author who you've heard on this podcast several times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was an entirely original synopsis of Jane Eyre by Chelsea Antopkins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want her to be part of this episode because I knew how much she loved the book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a little surprise that I did for Annabelle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why she's super emotional right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She had no idea that this was happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I sent her a blur because with these as you know these classics we've talked about this every single time we do a classic book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There isn't like a back flap published made blurber for me to pick from.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I always just combed through millions of them into life-ind-one that I like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I sent it to her and she goes, hmm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a good start.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And she rewrote the entire thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was not only written fresh by an author, never heard before synopsis of Jane Eyre.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but also from someone who really, really, really loves this book, loves this story, and has written it into her own work many, many times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so Annabelle, I want your authentic reaction.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that is a good synopsis of a Jane Eyre?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a great synopsis of Jane Eyre.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was absolutely beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And hey, we had decided to play not handsome again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, that's like front and center in this relationship.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do want to like go in on what makes this something that has been like really connected to for generations to because the romance rating is going to be 5 out of 5.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's going to be controversial as that's super controversial.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you serious?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, fuck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to make my case do it do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be maybe a little bit much girl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did I did what the ring heights as a five out of five if I can defend that you could defend this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's talk about this and story of why I loved it so much middle school and why I love it so much now too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We are in Janir's head in this entire time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We feel her palpable loneliness through the entire thing and we feel her rustlessness and her wanting to keep moving and keep finding things that invigorate her.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So all through the traumas where we are at her side and all through this, we hear her describing
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[SPEAKER_02]: how she sees people on a very like physical surface level.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And she uses that to moralize in some ways.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So let me give you an example when he does ask her if she thinks he's handsome, how she responds, and what she's thinking when she says it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is what she's saying.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just like watching him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was, in short, in his afternoon or mood, more expanded and genial and also more self-indulgent than the frigid and rigid temper of the morning, still he looked preciously grim, cushioning his mass of head against the swelling of back of his chair, and receiving the light of the fire on his granite human features, and it's great dark eyes for he had great dark eyes, and very fine eyes, too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not without a certain change in their deaths sometimes, which
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[SPEAKER_02]: If it was not softness, reminded you at least of that feeling.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He had been looking two minutes at the fire, and I had been looking the same like the time of time at him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When turning suddenly, he caught my gaze fastened on his physical autonomy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You examine me, Ms. Air, said he, do you think me handsome?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I should if I had deliberated have replied to this question by something conventionally vague and polite, but the answer somehow slipped from my tongue before I was aware.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, sir.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, by my word, there is something singular about you, said he, you have the air of a little none at, quaint, quiet, grave and simple as you sit with your hands before you and your eyes generally bent on the carpet, except by the buy when they are directed piercingly to my face, as just now, for instance, when one asks you a question or makes a remark to which you are obliged to reply, you wrap out a round rejoinder, which if not blunt, is at least brisk.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What do you mean by it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sir, I was too plain, I beg your pardon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I ought to have replied that it was not easy to give an impromptu a answer to a question about appearances that tastes mostly differ and that beauty is of little consequence or something of the sort.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You ought to have replied no such thing, beauty of little consequence indeed and so under pretense of softening the previous outrage of stroking and soothing me into placidity, you stick a slide pen knife under my ear.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Go on, what fault do you find with me, pray?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I suppose I have all my limbs and all my features
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mr. Rothfuster, allow me to disown my first answer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I intended no pointed reparty.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was only a blunder.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just, be so.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think so.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You shall be answerable for it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Criticize me, does my forehead not please you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: He lifted up the stable waves of the hair, which lay horizontally over his brow and showed a solid enough mass of an intellectual organs, but in abrupt deficiency where the swab sign of an evidence should have risen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, we are talking about a time in which
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[SPEAKER_02]: pseudoscience was trying to use people's skulls to understand their personalities.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We are talking about a time in which how someone appeared much like today was very indicative of how you were going to interact with them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If they were beautiful, they might be virtuous.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If they were a plane, they might be more grounded.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She does her hair is connected with how she sees herself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She wants to be neat and tidy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She wants to be moral.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She wants to be good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She doesn't want to be beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She doesn't want to be seen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She went to a school in which all of the girls' hair, if they had curly hair, it was cut off because they weren't allowed to have curls.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because it was considered to be beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And what you see yes, you see in her perspective when she meets new people she describes them physically every single time and so you have this like
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[SPEAKER_02]: really frank conversation between her and Mr. Rochester, putting them on the same ground in terms of like, I don't think you're attractive and I'm going to be honest with you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when she starts to feel feelings for Mr. Rochester, and she starts to see that he has feelings for Blanche Ingram, who is one of the society girls.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She literally forces herself to draw a portrait of herself as brutally, honestly, as she can in pencil in front of a mirror.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And she like, homes in on and every flaw and is like, this is what you look like.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want you to remember this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is what you look like.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can't love this man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then she had based on what Mrs. Fairfax, the old lady said about what Blanche Ingram looked like because she's never met this woman, paints the most beautiful portrait she can in her best watercolors on ivory of Blanche Ingram and she puts them next to each other and she is like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the woman who deserves to love Mr. Rochester.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the woman who does not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God, that's so fucked up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So how from there do we get to a five out of five romance remaining?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's so fucking brutally honest.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is so much about feeling invisible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and loving someone and so much about the soul connection and finding something that's deeper than that, despite all of your pain and self-loathing and finding the love and companionship that can make life feel beautiful and make you feel beautiful and glow from the inside out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And like she goes away during this time and she is so lonely, she goes away to
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[SPEAKER_02]: late to rest Mrs. Reed, the woman who tortured her in her childhood, who is often to see Jainaire one last time before she dies.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Jainaire goes to this household where she has never been welcome and she has always been treated poorly and she draws herself a picture of Mr. Rochester so she can have a friend.
01:04:02.094 --> 01:04:03.375
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
01:04:03.395 --> 01:04:03.495
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:04:05.586 --> 01:04:06.847
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so beautiful.
01:04:06.867 --> 01:04:18.634
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, this, knowing the whole unrequited love with the Mr. Rochester-esque person and Charlotte Bronte, the author's life, this makes a lot of sense.
01:04:19.655 --> 01:04:22.317
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, do we know if it's truly unrequited?
01:04:22.637 --> 01:04:23.998
[SPEAKER_02]: I am, we don't have a lot of fun.
01:04:24.018 --> 01:04:24.838
[SPEAKER_00]: We have no idea at that point.
01:04:25.298 --> 01:04:25.499
[SPEAKER_00]: But.
01:04:26.439 --> 01:04:26.979
[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's fair.
01:04:27.259 --> 01:04:28.840
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Charlotte Broughty was brilliant.
01:04:29.341 --> 01:04:30.321
[SPEAKER_00]: It was brilliant.
01:04:31.101 --> 01:04:31.942
[SPEAKER_00]: All of them were.
01:04:33.222 --> 01:04:33.563
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
01:04:34.123 --> 01:04:34.463
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
01:04:34.703 --> 01:04:41.967
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're coming down to the honesty and the absolutely brutalness of seeing each other for exactly as they are.
01:04:42.427 --> 01:04:44.288
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, honestly, that's very cool.
01:04:44.688 --> 01:04:45.588
[SPEAKER_00]: I have another friend.
01:04:46.109 --> 01:04:47.469
[SPEAKER_00]: This is her favorite book of all time.
01:04:47.569 --> 01:04:50.271
[SPEAKER_00]: But my friend identifies as a romantic.
01:04:50.891 --> 01:04:55.078
[SPEAKER_00]: And so this morning, I just texted her and I said, I will cover this on the podcast.
01:04:55.399 --> 01:04:56.541
[SPEAKER_00]: This is your favorite book.
01:04:57.322 --> 01:04:58.765
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you consider this a romance?
01:04:58.825 --> 01:05:00.247
[SPEAKER_00]: Can I reach you her response?
01:05:00.788 --> 01:05:01.510
[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to hear it.
01:05:02.812 --> 01:05:10.998
[SPEAKER_00]: So she says, you know, I haven't read it in a few years and I always learned something new, each read and changed the way I feel about it.
01:05:11.339 --> 01:05:15.402
[SPEAKER_00]: So that said, my answer might not be accurate to what I would think if I read it today.
01:05:15.422 --> 01:05:21.566
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a story with romance, but I wouldn't call a romance book if that makes sense, at least how
01:05:22.447 --> 01:05:25.329
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we would classify romance in modern times.
01:05:25.689 --> 01:05:40.159
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, too, the answer changes if you're asking the lens of just Rochester and Jane, or if you pan out and consider all of the Rochester and all of the context of what he did with his first wife, who we have only mentioned this so far.
01:05:41.379 --> 01:05:53.762
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the care and compassion they had for each other was real, and real to them, and I like how the brantees delve a little deeper into the dark nuances that make up the human condition compared to someone like Austin traditionally.
01:05:54.082 --> 01:06:03.785
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that those look into the nuances of the morally gray, or just immoral in some cases, characters and decisions, and to say it's not romance because of that.
01:06:03.805 --> 01:06:06.665
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a critically waver between that camp.
01:06:06.985 --> 01:06:08.486
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think of that interpretation?
01:06:09.346 --> 01:06:17.188
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with that, in a lot of ways, and I think there's a lot to be said about specifically Pertha, our bad woman in the attic.
01:06:17.488 --> 01:06:20.408
[SPEAKER_00]: So just to make something clear is birth a part of our romance writing?
01:06:21.108 --> 01:06:22.609
[SPEAKER_02]: No, but I will explain why.
01:06:22.629 --> 01:06:25.769
[SPEAKER_02]: It's to the romance piece of things.
01:06:25.809 --> 01:06:32.170
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I think there's this sense of fellow feeling that is described so well in this book.
01:06:32.710 --> 01:06:34.251
[SPEAKER_02]: There's like this person is home,
01:06:36.887 --> 01:06:37.507
[SPEAKER_02]: Where I'm safe.
01:06:38.387 --> 01:06:46.469
[SPEAKER_02]: And Rochester does a lot of like he has a lot of antics like he does try and convince Jane that he's got a marry blanching room.
01:06:47.609 --> 01:06:50.150
[SPEAKER_02]: Just like you know prove that she really likes him.
01:06:50.630 --> 01:06:53.691
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like Mr. Rochester is all about the drama.
01:06:54.351 --> 01:06:58.632
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he is and I kind of love it here.
01:06:58.672 --> 01:07:00.032
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me give you an example of like.
01:07:00.931 --> 01:07:05.352
[SPEAKER_02]: They're talking about they're going for a walk and they often go for walks and just talk.
01:07:05.572 --> 01:07:10.914
[SPEAKER_02]: He's basically saying like, I found you another position because you said that you didn't want to be here when Lange and I get married.
01:07:10.994 --> 01:07:14.315
[SPEAKER_02]: So unfortunately it's an Ireland kind of sucks.
01:07:14.455 --> 01:07:17.536
[SPEAKER_02]: He starts saying it is a long way to Ireland Janet.
01:07:18.156 --> 01:07:19.977
[SPEAKER_02]: He calls her Janet as like a cute thing.
01:07:20.837 --> 01:07:26.499
[SPEAKER_02]: And I am sorry to send my little friend on such weary travels, but if I can't do better, how is it to be helped?
01:07:26.940 --> 01:07:28.140
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you anything akin to me?
01:07:28.160 --> 01:07:29.841
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think Jane?
01:07:30.401 --> 01:07:32.322
[SPEAKER_02]: I could risk no sort of answer by this time.
01:07:32.542 --> 01:07:33.342
[SPEAKER_02]: My heart was still.
01:07:34.242 --> 01:07:40.145
[SPEAKER_02]: Because he said, I sometimes have a queer feeling with regard to you, especially when you are near me as now.
01:07:40.765 --> 01:08:00.175
[SPEAKER_02]: It is if I had a string somewhere under my left ribs, tightly in an extricably nodded to a similar string situated in the corresponding quarter of your little frame, and if that voice just channel and 200 miles or so of land come broad between us, I'm afraid that the court of communion will be snapped, and then I've a nervous notion that I should take to bleeding inwardly.
01:08:01.095 --> 01:08:02.576
[SPEAKER_02]: as for you, you'd forget me.
01:08:03.277 --> 01:08:05.639
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, do you feel the same?
01:08:05.719 --> 01:08:08.201
[SPEAKER_00]: Basically, like, you got that string too, baby?
01:08:09.643 --> 01:08:09.943
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:08:10.083 --> 01:08:10.323
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:08:10.463 --> 01:08:17.209
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that idea of like a string connecting people is timeless.
01:08:17.890 --> 01:08:18.290
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
01:08:18.310 --> 01:08:18.410
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:08:19.451 --> 01:08:23.895
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's Greek myths or that's, there were that's a part of the story.
01:08:25.320 --> 01:08:26.320
[SPEAKER_00]: And I love that.
01:08:26.420 --> 01:08:37.045
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that where he just feels like, on my end, we're in extricably connected no matter what, fingers crossed, baby, you feel safe.
01:08:37.125 --> 01:08:39.206
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we just, uh, validate.
01:08:39.266 --> 01:08:44.288
[SPEAKER_02]: I got this weird feeling that, um, sometimes we're at a stroke of linked for life.
01:08:44.788 --> 01:08:46.509
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you leave me, I'll die.
01:08:46.529 --> 01:08:48.390
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you feel that too?
01:08:52.504 --> 01:09:13.558
[SPEAKER_02]: No pressure though and the thing is though like you get this these heads of his guilt the entire time Like he's so clear with her that like I am not perfect person I have so many faults and she also knows this because she's seen some shit like I don't know if this happens in the movie At one point she wakes up and like his beds just on fire
01:09:14.480 --> 01:09:15.841
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember everything being on fire.
01:09:16.082 --> 01:09:16.362
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
01:09:17.103 --> 01:09:21.667
[SPEAKER_02]: She just throws water out of him and he's like, ah, he tried to drown me.
01:09:21.687 --> 01:09:25.411
[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, no, I'm trying to save you and he looks running like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:09:25.451 --> 01:09:27.432
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, sure, sure, sure, sure, fire fire flames got it.
01:09:27.873 --> 01:09:35.240
[SPEAKER_02]: And then later on, I mean, comes to visit and Mr. Rochester wakes up James like, hey, can I get your help?
01:09:35.958 --> 01:09:53.910
[SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, she goes to tend to this man who is on the third floor in our bedroom, who is bleeding from his arm, like, the shoulder has been sort of ripped off and part of his arm has been is bleeding and that's human bite marks.
01:09:55.571 --> 01:10:00.714
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, you two don't talk don't you fucking talk I will be back with the surgeon.
01:10:00.855 --> 01:10:01.435
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't talk.
01:10:02.871 --> 01:10:06.934
[SPEAKER_02]: like she is there so many things that she is already overlooking and she knows this.
01:10:07.715 --> 01:10:10.798
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, we have to go through our gothic checklist by this point.
01:10:10.938 --> 01:10:11.858
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so sorry.
01:10:13.120 --> 01:10:13.680
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is true.
01:10:14.321 --> 01:10:17.843
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, like this is so gothic.
01:10:19.665 --> 01:10:24.269
[SPEAKER_00]: Just like random bite marks on people in the middle of the night that she's supposed to fucking solve.
01:10:24.789 --> 01:10:28.692
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so this is this is what we put while they're hiding through.
01:10:28.793 --> 01:10:29.233
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what we're
01:10:32.185 --> 01:10:33.906
[SPEAKER_00]: atmosphere and mystery of terror.
01:10:34.546 --> 01:10:38.028
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, set in dark isolated place.
01:10:39.209 --> 01:10:46.312
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, themes of death, slash supernatural, slash extreme emotions, slash complex characters.
01:10:47.112 --> 01:10:48.053
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we got all of those.
01:10:49.414 --> 01:10:50.074
[SPEAKER_00]: Antihiro's.
01:10:51.514 --> 01:10:51.774
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:10:52.595 --> 01:10:54.256
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say Rochester is an antihero.
01:10:54.276 --> 01:10:55.356
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, for sure.
01:10:55.416 --> 01:10:55.857
[SPEAKER_00]: In a way.
01:10:55.877 --> 01:10:57.277
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Jane is.
01:10:57.958 --> 01:10:58.158
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
01:10:58.318 --> 01:10:58.658
[SPEAKER_00]: Here we go.
01:10:58.678 --> 01:10:59.239
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the big one.
01:10:59.699 --> 01:11:10.545
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a piece of Gothic literature being a reaction against the Enlightenment's focus on reason by exploring the irrational and darker side of humanity.
01:11:11.706 --> 01:11:12.126
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, yeah.
01:11:12.166 --> 01:11:12.987
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a quote for that.
01:11:16.128 --> 01:11:21.030
[SPEAKER_02]: This is where we get into some interesting feminist conversations.
01:11:21.110 --> 01:11:28.854
[SPEAKER_02]: So, finally enough, this happens when Rochester is pretending to be a fortune teller, and he's basically like,
01:11:30.288 --> 01:11:35.272
[SPEAKER_02]: um let me see uh what's going on in here.
01:11:35.393 --> 01:11:37.314
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me see what's going on in your brain.
01:11:38.235 --> 01:11:46.261
[SPEAKER_02]: She's like I came here to acquire not to like confess because he had just been trying to be like do you love Mr. Rochester?
01:11:47.042 --> 01:11:48.544
[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, I'm not telling you that.
01:11:48.665 --> 01:11:50.107
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, he's about to get married.
01:11:50.487 --> 01:11:55.174
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't see what he has to do with anything, Mr. Rochester is like, okay fine.
01:11:55.214 --> 01:11:59.059
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, then let me read your fortune, but fortunes don't come from the palm.
01:11:59.099 --> 01:12:01.383
[SPEAKER_02]: They come from like looking at your face really closely.
01:12:07.023 --> 01:12:10.145
[SPEAKER_02]: cool cool cool cool and this is what he says to her.
01:12:10.905 --> 01:12:14.707
[SPEAKER_02]: Your fortune is yet doubtful when I examined your face one trait contradicted another.
01:12:15.247 --> 01:12:17.569
[SPEAKER_02]: Chances me to do a measure of happiness that I know.
01:12:18.209 --> 01:12:19.710
[SPEAKER_02]: I knew it before I came here this evening.
01:12:19.830 --> 01:12:21.711
[SPEAKER_02]: She has laid it carefully on one side for you.
01:12:21.951 --> 01:12:22.711
[SPEAKER_02]: I saw her do it.
01:12:23.192 --> 01:12:28.074
[SPEAKER_02]: It depends on yourself to stretch out your hand and take it up but whether you will do so is the problem I study.
01:12:28.414 --> 01:12:29.135
[SPEAKER_02]: Neal down on the rug.
01:12:30.035 --> 01:12:30.816
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't keep me for long.
01:12:30.856 --> 01:12:31.736
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, fire scorches me.
01:12:32.537 --> 01:12:32.697
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
01:12:33.678 --> 01:12:34.538
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, there's just the meal.
01:12:34.558 --> 01:12:37.260
[SPEAKER_00]: Who was, I know, it's all right.
01:12:37.800 --> 01:12:38.080
[SPEAKER_02]: OK.
01:12:39.121 --> 01:12:41.303
[SPEAKER_02]: So she kneels, and this is what he says.
01:12:41.523 --> 01:12:43.824
[SPEAKER_02]: The flame flickers in the eye, and the eye shines like do.
01:12:43.884 --> 01:12:45.325
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks soft and full of feeling.
01:12:45.385 --> 01:12:46.626
[SPEAKER_02]: It smiles at my jargon.
01:12:46.646 --> 01:12:47.507
[SPEAKER_02]: It is susceptible.
01:12:47.907 --> 01:12:52.270
[SPEAKER_02]: Impression falls and pressure through its clear sphere, where it ceases to smile, it is sad.
01:12:52.630 --> 01:12:55.772
[SPEAKER_02]: And so he keeps going, and is like, each piece, each piece.
01:12:56.192 --> 01:12:58.434
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is the part that I think about so much.
01:12:58.994 --> 01:13:03.911
[SPEAKER_02]: not only in terms of like the smart rating, but also in terms of like what this book.
01:13:04.808 --> 01:13:10.012
[SPEAKER_02]: means in the time that it was made, in the context that it was made and in the context that I read it.
01:13:10.092 --> 01:13:14.835
[SPEAKER_02]: So once again, it comes down to eyebrows because apparently that's what we do.
01:13:14.855 --> 01:13:27.223
[SPEAKER_02]: As it is want to do, as it is want to do, I see no enemy to a fortunate issue, but in the brow and the brow professors to say, I can live alone in self respect and circumstances need me to do so.
01:13:27.243 --> 01:13:29.845
[SPEAKER_02]: I need not sell my soul to buy bliss.
01:13:30.325 --> 01:13:36.728
[SPEAKER_02]: I have an inward treasure born with me, which can keep me alive if all extraneous delights should be withheld or off of you.
01:13:37.148 --> 01:13:38.789
[SPEAKER_02]: Only at a price I can afford to give.
01:13:39.429 --> 01:13:46.873
[SPEAKER_02]: The forehead declares, reasons it's firm and holds the reins and she will not let the feelings burst away and hurry to her wildcosms.
01:13:47.373 --> 01:13:59.024
[SPEAKER_02]: The passions may rage furiously, like true heathens as they are, and the desires may imagine all sorts of vain things, but judgment shall still have the last word in every argument, and the casting vote in every decision.
01:13:59.664 --> 01:14:07.592
[SPEAKER_02]: Strong wind, earth quakes shock, and fire may pass by, but I shall follow the guiding of that still small voice which interprets the dictates of conscience.
01:14:08.232 --> 01:14:11.215
[SPEAKER_02]: Well said, forehead, your declaration shall be respected.
01:14:11.535 --> 01:14:13.777
[SPEAKER_02]: I have formed my plans, right, plans, I deem them.
01:14:13.878 --> 01:14:18.502
[SPEAKER_02]: And in them, I have attended the claims of conscience, the counsels of reason.
01:14:20.063 --> 01:14:20.404
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
01:14:21.064 --> 01:14:21.425
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:14:21.865 --> 01:14:27.991
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's basically saying, you have desires and passions that you are not letting yourself express.
01:14:28.450 --> 01:14:30.632
[SPEAKER_00]: That's very modern, honestly.
01:14:31.112 --> 01:14:31.512
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
01:14:32.393 --> 01:14:40.159
[SPEAKER_02]: And you see that throughout the entire book, where she is literally forcing herself to be like, this is what you look like, this is what you deserve.
01:14:40.179 --> 01:14:41.720
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you don't deserve more than this.
01:14:41.900 --> 01:14:52.788
[SPEAKER_02]: And there are so much beauty in a girl who has a whiff held so much for himself to get something.
01:14:58.595 --> 01:15:03.538
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that there's like just surprisingly high-smot rating here because there are so many power dynamics.
01:15:04.198 --> 01:15:07.740
[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say this is honestly like we're getting to like kinky in combat here.
01:15:07.760 --> 01:15:08.881
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree.
01:15:09.561 --> 01:15:10.301
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
01:15:12.353 --> 01:15:14.234
[SPEAKER_00]: bummer that that's going to have to wait for part two.
01:15:14.835 --> 01:15:15.235
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
01:15:15.595 --> 01:15:16.016
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
01:15:16.616 --> 01:15:27.343
[SPEAKER_02]: But I hope you guys are understanding like how much this book means to me how much it means to so many people and why.
01:15:27.363 --> 01:15:33.187
[SPEAKER_02]: Because that if I can just if I can just give that to someone, then I've done my job.
01:15:33.747 --> 01:15:36.389
[SPEAKER_00]: Then do you want to leave us with one quote?
01:15:36.929 --> 01:15:38.070
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually have the perfect one.
01:15:38.450 --> 01:15:38.850
[SPEAKER_02]: It's here up.
01:15:43.269 --> 01:15:45.770
[SPEAKER_02]: Seast that chatter, blockhead, and do my bidding.
01:15:45.790 --> 01:16:01.517
[SPEAKER_02]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
01:16:06.682 --> 01:16:09.863
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