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Welcome to Old Dogs New Tricks, the podcast for two generations.
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Sit down, talk some shit, disagree on probably half of everything, and somehow try to meet in the middle.
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I'm Celtic Control.
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And I'm Raven Creek Outdoors.
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We come from different generations, different backgrounds, and we definitely don't always see the world the same way, but that's kind of the whole point.
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Somewhere along the way, disagreeing with somebody turned into hating somebody, and we're hoping to change that.
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And we're here to prove you can still argue your side, bust each other's balls, maybe even change your mind, and still shake hands when it's over.
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Gaming, outdoors, technology, relationships, raising our children, social media, life before the internet versus what it's like to live with it.
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Nothing's really off the table.
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So the question behind the whole show is can old dogs learn new tricks?
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And do the new dogs still have a few things to learn from the old ones?
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Well, there's only one way to find out.
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Welcome to old dogs and new tricks.
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Let's settle the fight.
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Welcome back, everybody.
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This is episode two of Old Dogs and New Tricks, where Thomas and I are going to try to bring two generations together by making them uh understand each other a little better.
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Uh this week we're gonna dive farther into work ethic.
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And I think before we do, we need to circle back to something that we started talking about last week, which was women in the workforce, and we did not get a chance to circle back to it.
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But um, Thomas, you wanted to blame my generation for uh women getting forced into work and kind of want to talk about that.
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To be fair, it wasn't even your generation, it'd be the generation before.
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But uh in my eyes, I've just seen what we used to think as the American dream being slowly stripped away from us.
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And to me, I look back and you know, I think that it was because women were forced, that's not the case.
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Women weren't forced into the workforce.
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World War II forced everybody into the workforce.
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It was the Nazis, to be honest.
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We can blame them.
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Um so yeah, I just wanted to walk that back.
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I realize that we're not always gonna be perfect, but we have to try to be accurate with the things that we say.
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Yep, we definitely need to.
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So yeah, women were not forced into the workplace, they were hired by companies that lost a lot of men who because the men had to go overseas.
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And um while they were over there, women were hired in, and then when the men came back, a lot of the women were were fired and let go because the men were back.
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And a lot of the women were like, hey, you know, we really liked that sense of freedom and independence, and so they fought to get back into the workplace.
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I love seeing men and women work together.
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I love seeing people come together, and I do feel like we have gotten cooler ideas and farther in a lot of fields than we would have ever been if women had if we wouldn't have let women enter the workforce.
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My biggest issue is that corporations have seen it as a money grab.
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And they see it as now, hey, that's another tax-identifiable number that I can just rip wealth from this person in the sense that it's happened.
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All we've gotten is less women at home with their kids, more women working 40 to 60 hours alongside their husbands or boyfriends.
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And I feel like men and women have gotten further further apart and gotten a bigger divide between each other instead of just working together to create a beautiful little household.
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You wanna get right into work ethic?
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Yeah, I think that is uh I think that's gonna be the topic of today.
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I think that's probably the most important thing.
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Something that our generations definitely look at each other and scoff at.
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Yeah, any questions?
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Um, what is your definition of hard work?
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Is it more of the thing you produce at the end or the amount of energy that I'm putting into something?
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It's a combination of everything.
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It's you show up on time.
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You you don't find every excuse in the book to go hide somewhere while you're at work or find every excuse to not show up to work.
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You you show up, you dig in, you get it done, you go home happy and sore.
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Now, what is wrong with finding a more efficient solution to a lot of those things?
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Like, let's say I could get the same amount of work done in an hour that you could get done in four hours.
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Now you're gonna have to use your book, you're gonna have to write things down, you're gonna be sweating, there's gonna be sweat coming off that brow.
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I'm gonna be nervous when I see that much water coming off your forehead.
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But you worked really hard to get it done.
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You know, I come through, I got my phone, I got my chat GPT, uh, do a couple calculations on there.
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It's done in an hour and 30 minutes.
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They both got the same end result, but at the end of the day, I put out a lot less energy and effort, so now I have more time for my family, I have more time for my friends, I have more time to chase the avenues of interest that I've always loved instead of doing it for someone else.
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When you present it like that, it sounds good.
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And it doesn't always work like that.
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Most of the time it's half butt.
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Most everything never works as planned.
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Right.
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I just said half butt because I can't cuss, I'm sorry.
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Um yeah, presented like that, that's that's a whole different ball game.
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When when someone has to cry that, oh my god, I worked 36 hours this week.
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I worked 42 hours, I'm so tired.
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I'm like, I'm like, really?
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You you work that particular person works at Little Caesars, okay?
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You and I work in a foundry.
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Now, where would you rather spend that 42 hours?
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Little Caesars because it's easy or in the foundry because we're dying.
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I'd probably rather spend it in the oven at Little Caesars because they're about the same temperature.
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But then you look at the money difference, right?
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I mean, nobody wakes up in the mornings like, yeah, I want to go to work, right?
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And I'm not gonna make any money doing it.
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Right.
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That which is why for my generation and even even the younger generation, I mean, fast food places, um working at the mall, stuff like that.
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I mean, that was that was part-time jobs or get me through high school and get me through college jobs, not a career.
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Starter jobs, and yeah, but instead of people instilling that in their kids, they told their kids, yeah, go out there and and fight for$15 an hour to flip burgers.
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When instead of saying, I don't want you to flip burgers for the rest of your life, I want you to get into something that you're good at and make a career out of it.
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Well, yeah, and I agree, and I also think by us forcing the whole minimum wage thing that messed up so many other things down the line.
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I mean, the cost of everything has gone up drastically.
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Like, yes, fast food workers are paid$15 an hour, but the burgers cost twice as much.
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The the scale of economy never changed.
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We're still putting out the same amount of things, and we have the same people consuming them.
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You know, you're just putting a different number in front of it and making everyone feel better.
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Yeah.
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Well, I don't feel better now.
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I'm pretty upset when I go to buy a McDouble and it's three dollars.
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Yeah.
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Uh even even getting stuff off the dollar menu, isn't there do they even call it a dollar menu?
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The value menu.
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Yeah.
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That's pretty good.
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And it's two McChickens for three dollars, and it breaks my heart.
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You used to, I know when my my two oldest were little and the younger ones weren't born yet.
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Um, I mean, we could go, there'd be four of us, and we could go to McDonald's, and it was like 20 bucks would feed the four of us, and now you're lucky if 20 bucks will feed two people.
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Yeah, the last time it was Taco Bell, that was the last time we went out to eat.
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It cost me for a family of four about$72 at a fast food restaurant.
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So we tend to not do that at all.
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But that's the thing, those people are working hard.
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I mean, it's not an easy job.
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I don't think that I disagree completely.
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It is an easy fucking job.
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Excuse my language.
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Because they literally take an order, slap some food together, wrap it up, and hand it out the window.
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There it is, it is not a hard job.
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Go go pour go pour 50 yards of concrete in a day.
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That's a hard job.
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Physically labored, no.
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The amount of stress I've I've seen people break down in restaurants and cry from people screaming at them.
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The amount of stress that you deal with dealing with customers on a daily basis, if you've never dealt with that, you really can't even put a word on it, man.
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It is it might not be physically hard, but mentally, it is very taxing.
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So I'm not saying that, yeah, of course they have a physically easy job, but we all still like having burgers, we all still use them.
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So to me, if they do their job right and they took pride in their work, it would not be an easy job.
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You are right.
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It is stressful, it is, and I and I get that, right?
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I mean, look, look at what you and I do.
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Okay.
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And in an entire plant will go down if me, you, and a few other guys can't figure out the problem.
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That's true.
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You know, people won't have food next week if we don't figure out a problem, you know.
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Um, that is a that is a really good point.
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And I'm not comparing apples to oranges.
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I just think sometimes I think your generation looks at jobs like that as they're not hard work, and I'm not saying that they are, they're not physically hard, but they do that's the key right there.
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You're right, is because we that's all we knew was physical work.
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So you I think that's probably one of the key points to everything right there when it comes to work ethic, is the difference in us only knowing physical labor, and you guys didn't have to just know physical labor.
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You had other opportunities that weren't physical, so that's that's a really good point.
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I was just gonna say that's a beautiful point to make because I grew up with the internet and technology, I grew up with so many different things that it's like, yeah, I could work really hard, but hey, here's a small shortcut that can get me there, and I might save my body in the process.
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You guys didn't have that option at all.
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No, and a lot of a lot of us jumped right into that when the internet hit.
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A lot of them were like, heck yeah, and they jumped right on board that train, right?
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And a lot of us didn't because a lot of us had blue-collar tradesmen as fathers that were our biggest influence in our life, saying, Oh, this computer stuff is a bunch of garbage, you got to get your hands dirty, you still got to keep doing what you were gonna do.
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Yeah, I I guess that is a a really good point, and that's sometimes why I be showing people like you and all the other older gentlemen at work how to use things like chat GPT.
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Yeah, is because I just don't it's not even fair.
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You guys have never you've never been shown it at a young age, so to you it's not a tool, to you it's an annoyance.
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To you, it's it's just something that's not gonna make your life easier or better, it's just another roadblock in the way for you to do your hard work and get it done.
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Yeah.
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Now, and I guess I'm I don't know if you want to call it old school, I'd say it's more stubborn than anything because if you call me tomorrow and tell me that there's something wrong with your computer, I will come over here and fix your computer.
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I know an ungodly amount of knowledge about computers, and the only reason is because of all the years I spent doing automation.
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I didn't want to learn about computers, but I was forced to, which didn't just mean, you know, uploading software for this robot or writing the software for another robot.
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It actually was like, oh, my computer doesn't work, and I'm 1200 miles away from home.
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I have to fix my computer or I can't do my job, and if I can't do my job, I'm stuck here a lot longer than three weeks and can't go home.
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So the thing is, I'm just so used to working with my hands and my back that making that making the same kind of money with my brain versus my hands and my back doesn't seem feasible to me, not because I can't do it, because it doesn't feel right.
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Right.
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If I'm not at the end of the day, if I'm not filthy and my back doesn't hurt, I literally feel like I failed today.
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Yeah, see, and that's the big difference in our generation, because I am the opposite.
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If I can get the job done with the least amount of damage to my body, and then I can come home and hold my kids, and they're not like, Dad, you're so tired, and then I fall asleep on the couch.
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To me, that is the biggest win.
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And it probably would be different if I was building my own business or I work for some small mom and pop company.
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But the truth of the matter is, I know if I can get the job done and it can be more efficient and we're still the same end result, more than likely bigger employers are gonna like that.
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It's the small mom and pop places when that can hurt.
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Um so yeah, the divide, the divide's there.
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But I really think we're actually agreeing we agree on more than our generations want to let on.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I'm actually I'm seeing that more and more the more you and I talk, not not so much on here because this is new, but I mean we talk about this stuff together at work all the time, and um I am noticing like there's a lot we have a lot more similarities than we would have ever thought.
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100%.
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Even seeing uh seeing you use things like Chat GPT, you become so good at it so fast, like you are extremely adaptable with technology.
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There's so many things that you've shown me, like the lays and mills, or so many things that like you are good with like some of the CNC and some of the technology, and it's not it's not all your generation.
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What makes me what makes it me laugh is there's such a big gap in your generation because not everyone was ever around computers.
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So I worked with a gentleman, I took his background on his screens there or on his desktop and I took a screenshot of all the icons, and then I deleted all his icons and made the background that desktop so it looked like he had folders.
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He sat there and clicked on it for 20 minutes before he freaked out and could not get it to not figure it out all it was.
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I just changed his background and make it look like he had folders before.
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That's awesome.
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But see, someone like you, I would never be able to get you a that it would take you probably 22 seconds to be like, oh, hold on, this isn't even a real real folder.
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This is all a giant image.
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So there's a big breadth of I don't know, or a big uh gap between even your generation and your generation when it comes to technology.
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Oh, there is, there is a it's a 50-50 because you know, like I said, a lot of us were just were either in high school, just getting out, or had just been out for a couple years when the internet hit.
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And 50% of them ran with it, and 50% of them ran away from it.
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That is the funniest thing I've ever heard because it's the truth.
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Yep.
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It is.
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Um I was one of the ones that ran away from them, but the career I pursued pushed me into them, and I'm I'm glad that it did because I'm very I'm very versatile um compared to a lot of people, and I'm not saying I'm the only one.
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There's a lot of people that are that are just like me that are very versatile.
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Um I don't know everything about them.
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I know a lot about them.
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And the different systems, the different operating systems are pretty easy to learn.
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Or sometimes you can look in an operating system and you automatically know where the operating system came from because either you worked on it somewhere else before or you just understand the language of it right away.
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But yeah, I guess that is uh I guess that's a really good point.
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One of the biggest fear in my generation does this probably to the younger generation.
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I can't remember what the new generation is called, it's not Gen Z, but they have this like fear that AI is gonna take away everyone's jobs, no one's gonna have a job anymore, and we're all just gonna be super poor.
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But the thing is, we've had technological breakthroughs like this before.
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I mean, look at the Industrial Revolution.
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There's been many times when they used to they used to pay people to knock on your window and wake you up in England in the 1700s.
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There was no alarm clock.
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We need to do that.
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That's not a house late today, man.
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Yeah, I fell asleep and I woke up like 20 minutes after my alarm went off.
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If you would have paid for a window knocker, that would have never happened.
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Yep.
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So I uh I wonder if it would be a subscription.
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Ooh, oh, like a monthly thing?
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Yeah, like you pay monthly and and you just give them your schedule and they stop by.
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If you get the premium version, they'll do an extra five minutes of knocking afterwards if you don't answer.
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Well, that's not what I was thinking.
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Let's do the premium version.
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Yeah, I uh technology changes like this a lot, and we have to work less physical labor more and more.
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Like every time we have a big breakthrough in technology, imagine talking to people like the small children in like the shipyards, and they're like, I don't want to work near more pa.
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And you're like, you gotta do it.
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Hard work.
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Yeah, put it down, get to work, or I'll kick you off the docks into the ocean.
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So yeah, I think it's normal for this to happen, and it's normal for the older generation to be super apprehensive of the technological changes that are coming.
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Yeah, but if you can get on top of it and if you can ride that wave, so to say, I mean, that's probably how you get your Rockefellers and all your big your big business guys, is that they were on top of the wave and they caught it at the right time with technology, but they also had the wisdom of the older generation, you know, the wisdom of how to do things right and to do the right thing when no one's looking.
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Yep.
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I the more the more and more of my life that's gone by, the more I realize that I've picked up a lot of traits from my dad.
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For example, me not wanting to get into computers, right?
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But I my job, my my career forced me into it.
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I'm glad it did.
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Now, with my dad, my dad built houses all of his life, and everybody in the late 80s was running roofing guns.
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My dad would not touch one.
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My dad was like, oh, you gotta you gotta stop every every 20 minutes and reload them.
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And I'm like, Dad, you can uh you can you can roll roofing nails through your fingers and put down you know one shingle a minute.
00:19:32.799 --> 00:19:39.920
You while you're doing that, I'm squares ahead of you because I'm putting down like three shingles a minute.
00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:41.759
And yeah, you're right.
00:19:41.839 --> 00:19:53.920
I'm even though I only got a couple hundred square feet ahead of you, you know, within an hour, um I did have to stop and reload it, which took me like all of 18 seconds.
00:19:54.240 --> 00:20:02.079
And I look back on that and I think to myself now, like I'm I'm just as stubborn as my dad was.
00:20:02.319 --> 00:20:06.480
It it just the scenarios are different, but it's the same stubbornness.
00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:07.680
I don't want to do that.
00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:09.519
How can that how can that be any better?
00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:11.680
Same thing with you and I, right?
00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:18.720
Like, come on, Thomas, how how can I how can I make the kind of money I make breaking my back every day off of a computer, man?
00:20:19.039 --> 00:20:21.200
But you show me.
00:20:21.519 --> 00:20:22.079
Exactly.
00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:26.559
And we can we can do it, especially especially right now.
00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:34.480
We're at like the precipice of like technology converging with like computers, science, health, and medicine is all coming together.
00:20:34.559 --> 00:20:42.319
So not only can we probably make enough to provide our family a decent living, we can probably live a longer life because of a lot of these things.
00:20:42.559 --> 00:20:53.680
You know, like there are some negatives, and I will say that our generation lost the ability to do something without an instant reward.
00:20:54.559 --> 00:20:57.039
You know, I need I need something right now.
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I need it.
00:20:57.839 --> 00:21:02.480
If I'm doing this, well I gotta see tomorrow that you know I I'm I'm winning.
00:21:02.799 --> 00:21:07.359
And you guys used to be able to do things for years just because you liked it.
00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:11.119
Slow instead slow slow is smooth, smooth is fast.
00:21:11.359 --> 00:21:11.759
Yes.
00:21:13.359 --> 00:21:17.599
Yeah, that's like a uh that's like a military euphemism.
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I always thought it was.
00:21:19.279 --> 00:21:21.599
I know it definitely stems from your generation.
00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:25.440
Um you take your time and you do things right.
00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:37.039
Yeah, once once you learn the fundamentals of something anything, and you do it right, and you do it more and more and more, you become faster at it.
00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:42.720
But those original fundamentals of it you build muscle memory.
00:21:44.480 --> 00:21:51.519
I kind of wish that our generation had better sayings, but like we get like the worst sayings.
00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:56.799
Uh, some of 'em are okay, but we definitely don't have any good euphemisms that come from like the early two thousands.
00:21:57.039 --> 00:21:59.519
It was all Backstreet Boys and Diddley Bob.
00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:14.559
So continuing on with the work ethic, there's another thing I kind of want to to to dive into in work ethic, and that's that like I'm 51.
00:22:15.119 --> 00:22:33.359
I've I've worked quite a few places, a lot of different trades over the years, and other than an initial negotiation for money during an interview, I have never, ever in my life asked an employee or an employer for more money.
00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:41.759
One of my pet peeves is that the younger generations are like, oh, they want me to do that, they got to pay me more.
00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:43.759
Well, I was raised.
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If you show you can do the job and you start doing more and show you can do more, they pay you more.
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I've never asked for money, and I have always made good money.
00:22:54.079 --> 00:22:58.079
They give raises without me asking or anything like that.
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And yet I watch I watch my sons, and it's like, well, yeah, I would, you know, I could do this and that, but they're not gonna, they're not paying me more to do it.
00:23:11.119 --> 00:23:24.240
I'm like, but when they see that you have the potential and they see that you have the motivation and take the initiative, they're like, hey, this kid, this kid can do the job.
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He's more than capable of doing the job.
00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:27.519
We don't want to let him go.
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We don't want to lose him.
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Let's give him more money.
00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:33.200
And I said, but you guys, you guys don't look at it like that at all.
00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:38.960
You guys just automatically are like, nope, I'll I'll do more when they pay me more.
00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:41.039
And employers don't look at it that way.
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They're like, you show me you can do more, I will pay you more.
00:23:46.160 --> 00:23:54.480
Yeah, you know, and I I tend to agree that in most cases that is true, but I feel like we should start to look at employers more.
00:23:54.640 --> 00:23:58.079
Like, are you actually gonna make my life better in five or ten years?
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Are you gonna give me the training necessary that I need to really take my skill set to the next level?
00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:10.160
Do you provide my family with the idea of retirement, the comfort with the idea of retirement?
00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:18.079
And so many people are just looking for a job that they're willing to step up and do whatever they can for these companies that would replace you tomorrow if you died.
00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:21.839
Like you said, they'd have your job title out before you obituary, even hit the streets.
00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:36.400
Yeah, I I agree 100% with all of that, because these companies they'll they think they just get people a dime a dozen, and now they even think that with the skilled trades.
00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:44.240
And there's a lot of situations now where they don't even consider something a skilled trade that's been a skilled trade for a hundred years.
00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:47.680
Yeah, like certain building aspects.
00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:53.119
Um, I know for a while I did not realize that masonry was an actual skill trade.
00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:53.599
Oh, yeah.
00:24:53.759 --> 00:25:04.640
I just thought it meant you were like a grand poobah at the secret societies, and but like I thought a free I did not realize that masons were legitimate trades.
00:25:04.720 --> 00:25:06.960
I just thought people made blocks and stuck them together.
00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:14.559
Once I became an electrician and I started to get around other tradesmen, I realized how many trades there are and how we need each other.
00:25:15.519 --> 00:25:21.200
Yeah, there's a lot of divide between the trades too, but and there shouldn't be.
00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:24.880
But I think most of it is just playful.
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Like everybody rags on the electricians because you know, electricians don't know how to use a broom and clean up after themselves.
00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:35.599
They also say that we got boyfriends on the side.
00:25:35.680 --> 00:25:36.480
I don't really like that one.
00:25:36.559 --> 00:25:38.000
That one hurts my feelings.
00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:43.359
Feelings, what are those?
00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:45.119
That's fair.
00:25:45.599 --> 00:26:00.559
Yeah, I uh I will say that I feel like a lot of blue-collar men understand and women, we understand work ethic and hard work a lot better than some of the other people in other fields.
00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:07.519
Like if you tried to get a data analyst for two days in our job, he would fall apart.
00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:09.519
He would fall apart in two hours.
00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:17.759
The moment that something didn't work and he had to use a chisel and a hammer, and he hit his hand, and he's oh, it'd be the best thing to watch.
00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:28.480
So I uh I do agree that the blue trades probably have hard work figured out the best, but I still think our generation could show you guys a thing or two when it comes to using these things as tools.
00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:29.599
No, you're right.
00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:40.079
You're right, and it and a lot of it is gonna be the stubbornness on our side that we don't we don't want to learn it, right?
00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:44.480
I mean, I've been blue collar my whole life, and I always will be.
00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:48.720
I'll always be in the trades until I can't work anymore.
00:26:51.279 --> 00:27:00.960
And I think a lot of the problems that we talk about are actually less seen in the trades than they are outside the trades, like you said a minute ago.
00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:10.960
Well, and part of me wonders if that's because in the trades you have a lot of old dogs and young dogs working together.
00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:16.960
I mean, I before I got in the trades, I had never worked with anyone over the age of 30 as a young man.
00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:28.640
And now I got into the trades, and I'm working with people's grandpappies, and me and them are down in a pit somewhere slanging a wrench together, and he's yelling at me and calling me dumb, and I'm yelling 6'7, and we're figuring it out together, man.
00:27:28.960 --> 00:27:38.880
No, not really the 6'7 part, but I feel like there's a lot of intergenerational bridging that happens in the trades, and that could be why we don't run into a lot of these problems.
00:27:40.480 --> 00:28:23.039
So instead of always going back and forth about who's doing this wrong, who's doing that wrong, what if you took everything that all of us old school guys have trial, tried, failed, and succeeded at over the decades and basically perfected because of those experiences, and you incorporated all of the younger guys with the newer innovations and the newer tools, and you could combine those two together, you could build a pretty powerful team.
00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:28.880
I would say possibly one of the strongest teams ever assembled.
00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:34.079
It'd be like getting Russia and the United States to form an all-star basketball team to the Olympics.
00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:35.599
It'd be unstoppable.
00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:39.440
You ever see Expendables three?
00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:42.160
I have not, but I'll watch it now.
00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:44.319
I I think it's the yeah, it's the third one.
00:28:44.480 --> 00:29:01.599
So Expendables 3, you have like Ronda Rousey and a bunch of younger um militants that have their group, and then you have, you know, all the old school guys, Sylvester Stallone and Wesley Snipes and Jason Statham.
00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:10.640
And so the old school ones are looking at the younger ones like go back to go back to preschool and go change your diapers.
00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:15.279
And the younger ones are looking at the older ones like you take that outdated crap and get out of here.
00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:16.319
We got this.
00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:24.079
And both failed separately, but working together, nothing could stop them.
00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:25.119
Ooh, this is it.
00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:25.920
This is the movie?
00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:27.119
I'm gonna have to check this out.
00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:28.400
That actually sounds really good.
00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:28.880
Yeah.
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:35.519
I've only seen the first Expendables, but I just know that it's the most masculine manly movie you could ever get in your entire life.
00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:41.599
You have everyone jacked up, ready to go, action scenes upon no end.
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:44.640
So uh I'm not gonna lie, that's my type of movie.
00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:45.599
I'll have to check it out.
00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:47.200
All three of them are really good.
00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:49.519
Okay, that's fair.
00:29:49.759 --> 00:30:09.599
Yeah, I think I think if we could create the expendables with our podcast, if we could create a team, a teamwork of sort of homarottery between our generations, that maybe we can discover things about ourselves and about each other that we never realized we could do.
00:30:09.920 --> 00:30:18.640
I mean, you have taught me so many things in the field that I didn't even realize you know how to do, and I'm sure vice versa, that's that's kind of how we make such a strong team.
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:20.400
It's because our generational gap.
00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:21.119
Yeah.
00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:29.519
You and I do a lot of stuff at work that's I would have a much harder time doing it without you, and you would have a much harder time doing it without me.
00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:36.799
But we we threw the we put the two together and we get we get shit done.
00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:46.400
Yeah, if we could get the world to function like we do at work, me and you, when it comes to working on things together, I honestly think the the world would be a better place.
00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:47.680
We'd solve hunger tomorrow.
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:49.599
I just hope they would walk faster than you do.
00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:51.599
I have the lot shortest legs, dude.
00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:52.160
It's hard.
00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:57.119
Your legs are only two inches shorter than mine, and you walk three miles an hour slower than I do.
00:30:57.519 --> 00:31:00.240
Over time, the average adds up, okay?
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:02.559
Those two inches over a whole day.
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:04.160
It hurts, man.
00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:06.559
Yeah, no, that's fair.
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:13.200
I'm trying to I'm trying to pace myself so that as you get older, I'll still be going the same speed.
00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:17.759
That's really I got that's that's the best thing I've ever heard.
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:22.799
I want to make sure that when I'm 50 and you're 80, we're right next to each other, man.
00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:25.839
So you're just pacing yourself.
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:26.400
Exactly.
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:26.799
All right.
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:28.640
I'm playing the long game, Jay.
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:30.559
That's great.
00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:40.079
Yeah, I think uh I think work ethic is something that my generation could learn a lot from you guys about.
00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:46.240
And I started off the show kind of thinking, like, well, you just we have different definitions of what work is.
00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:57.599
But the more I listen to what you say, the more I see there's tons of value in taking your time and doing something to do it and to learn, not for the end result.
00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:00.319
Almost like the journey, doing it for the journey.
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:07.680
And I think that comes from you putting in the hard work and not putting your nose to the dirt stone or whatever I said last time.
00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:08.799
Grindstone.
00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:09.920
It's supposed to be grindstone.
00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:10.720
I knew what it was.
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:11.599
I was nervous.
00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:13.279
You guys make me scared.
00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:15.680
I um don't be scared, man.
00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:16.000
I'm here.
00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:16.720
Thanks, dude.
00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:17.920
You make me feel better.
00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:20.799
I'll make sure that I always put my nose to the grindstone.
00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:22.480
I never put it to the dirt stone.
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:24.559
That seems like an uncomfortable situation.
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:37.839
I and I only hope that the more we talk about this, the more that both of us can start to realize at the end of the day, we're both walking the same path.
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:41.839
We just got different shoes, and let's try to make it more comfy.
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:42.640
I got some Dr.
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:44.079
Scholars, you want to try them?
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:50.000
I am not putting my feet anywhere yours have been.
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:53.119
But I do want to ask you a question.
00:32:53.440 --> 00:33:11.200
So, for you growing up, okay, what were some of your influences leading that would have led up to your career choices and what you actually wanted to do in life?
00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:16.000
So that's pretty wild because it's not who you would expect.
00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:25.599
Um as an electrician, now it's not like I looked at one single person, now it's like, oh hey, this is exactly what this does.
00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:31.519
My dad was a construction contractor, so my dad did tons of building, and I used to be on job sites with him all the time as a kid.
00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:44.079
So I got to be around a lot of camaraderie with dudes and just guys in general looking out for each other and busting each other and picking each other back up and making sure that you're taken care of at the end of the day.
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:50.559
And I spent some time away from my dad between 10 to 15 or 16.
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:54.960
I was with my mom all the time, and my mom had her own freelance writing business.
00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:56.000
So it's kind of cool.
00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:59.599
She would do SEO, it's called search engine optimization.
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:13.039
So she stayed home, stayed with me, made sure that I could go back and forth from school, and my mom would write articles for different companies online, and she would make them pop up quicker in search results.
00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:19.199
So I watched her and basically bring us out of having nothing to being on the computer.
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:21.599
I've seen one side, which is my dad and the hard work.
00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:30.880
Hard work all the time with the boys, and then I had this section of life with my mom, and all she's doing is creating something online.
00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:32.480
She doesn't even have a physical store.
00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:34.320
It's all technology, all technology.
00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:37.199
So you got the best of both worlds with that.
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:37.920
100%.
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:46.320
And she was the biggest influence to me when it comes to like the streaming stuff, and when it comes to anything to do with the online creation.
00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:51.199
Um, I watched her create nothing from or create something from nothing.
00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:53.280
She created a whole online store.
00:34:53.440 --> 00:35:04.079
She was featured in a book, and it all started from her being, and she had her own computer office, and it was just a small room in the house, but people online probably thought she was just this giant company or this giant store.
00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:10.000
And it was um it was really encouraging and something to this day that I still look up to and respect.
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:27.039
See, so your I mean, basically your influences growing up led you to exactly what I was just talking about a minute ago, where you know, taking the the hard the hard work as far as the physical labor and and stuff and adding technology into it.
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:31.679
And that's probably why you are getting so good at what you do.
00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:32.960
Thanks, man.
00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:40.639
Yeah, it's uh no one on seven years now, as for me making things online and trying not to get made fun of.
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:42.639
It is pretty rough sometimes.
00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:47.760
But we do better now than we used to, and I think we will get better at this.
00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:51.119
I mean, we're you're doing it right now, and you've done it with your Raven Freak Outdoors.
00:35:51.280 --> 00:36:06.559
How many things, how many times you put yourself out there online, and you don't do it for money, you do it because you're creating something, and there's a sense of community, but there's also a sense of ham building something from nothing, and I love that so much.
00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:08.079
I respect that so much.
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:25.679
Yeah, I think that was why I liked construction work so much because I would drive by where these huge, beautiful houses were, and I do remember that just a year ago I was driving by there, and it was just uh either a burnt-down house or just a plot of grass.
00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:34.239
So it's it's nice to build something from nothing and get to see the end result.
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:43.199
That's always like the biggest joke about guys that have construction or roofer dads, is anytime you're driving in the car, your dad would be like, Hey, I put the roof on that.
00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:44.719
Yeah, I do that to my kids all the time.
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:45.599
It's so funny.
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:48.800
The issue with doing electrical is uh you never really get to do that.
00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:51.599
Like, hey, I tied some wire nuts in there, look out.
00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:55.360
Like, it's not the same, you can't see it from the outside, it's not as cool.
00:36:55.599 --> 00:37:02.159
Um, but that's a lot of blue collar, is that whereas we're building the infrastructure around everyone.
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:03.360
So you want to show it off.
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:05.920
You don't get to show it off to a lot of people, you know?
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:19.599
That's what's always engaged me with the trades more than anything, and it's because you're either problem solving or you're creating.
00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:21.679
Those are the two things that we do all day.
00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:27.199
If we're not solving problems or we're not building something, we're not doing our job.
00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:32.239
And those are like my two favorite things to do in the whole world.
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:52.079
That's probably the biggest hurdle with like what I was talking about earlier, where you know, for most of us that have always been in the trades and done physical labor, if we're not half dead, broken, and sweaty at the end of the day, we feel like we didn't work today, we didn't do what we were paid to do.
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:58.320
You know, and for hundreds of years, only until recently, that was honestly the case.
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:01.679
I mean, and there's nothing wrong with just acknowledging that.
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:11.840
But I hope that we can start to build towards a brighter future and we can start to bring a lot of the older generation towards using some of these tools.
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:31.840
Like I was saying with Janice Internittent Sweaters, like if we could show some of these older people how to utilize these tools like AI and even just some of the computer software, um, they would they'd be able to make not only a living, but they would be able to thrive in life to where they don't have to break down or rely on social security.
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I guess let me ask you this, Jay.
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What is your influence?
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How did you get to where you are now?
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My my biggest influence, hands down, was my dad.
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Um my dad built houses all of his life, and in the 80s, he he started a movie production company with some of his friends in Lichfield, and they made a movie, and um it didn't go as well as they planned, and he went right back to construction.
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Um I wanted to be like my dad.
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So if he was working in town, then when I would get out of school, I would ride my bike to his job site and spend a couple hours working with him.
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We'd throw my bike in the back of the truck, go home.
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I learned by the time I was twelve, I already fluently knew how to read blueprints because I was always on job sites with him growing up.
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That's awesome.
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So he unintentionally kind of gave me my love for the trades.
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And he he never was just specific to one trade, right?
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Like when you get into construction work, you've got framers and sheathers and roofers and window and door guys and masons.
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We did everything from the ground up.
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So I learned all trades of construction growing up, you know, and and I all through my teens, that's what I did.
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And then when I turned 18, I went into a factory and I was working third shift, and then I worked full-time in construction during the day.
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So my my love of the trades came from my dad.
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So my dad always he always worked hard and he always built houses.
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So it was, you know, and it wasn't it wasn't just new construction, it was a lot of renovations.
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Um I was probably I was probably already breathing asbestos by the time I by the time I was 10 years old, you know.
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But um, yeah, that was my my dad was my biggest influence growing up for that.
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So you feel like that's probably also where you got the ability to work, well not the ability, but how were you first seeing what hard work and dedication had brought to the table?
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And even at a young age, do you feel like he helped influence or steer you?
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Absolutely.
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Yeah, because if it if it wasn't for you know, I mean he was he was up and gone by the time I got up and left for school.
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And if he wasn't working in town to where I rode my bicycle over to where he was at after school, he was working out of town or something.
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I mean, we didn't see him till the sun went down.
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That's how most families were, you know, 20 or 30 years ago.
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Um, you know, and I grew I grew up the same, same exact way, and I'm starting to do that now with my children, and it's breaking my heart.
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You know, I used to be gone so many hours throughout the day, and it's just now that I'm able to take this digital creation that I've done to where I can actually supplement the income of my family, and I don't have to work all the time, and I can spend more hours with my kids and my family, and I wouldn't be able to do any of that without all this.
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I would still be working so hard, my fingers to the bone.
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So I really I have to thank technology with both hands.
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I don't know where I would be or what I'd be doing without it, but I'd be scared.
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That's a fact.
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I'd be scared, broken, beaten down, and your generation wouldn't, your generation live through it, and they're two or three times as strong as us because of it.
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Yeah, I I think our generation and the and the boomers were definitely built differently, but uh than the younger generations, but seeing seeing now what I failed to see over the last 30 years, I wish I would have gotten more into technology and stuff ten years ago.
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Because I think that I would be in a different place physically, mentally, and financially if I would have done that.
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I'm glad we met because it's never too late, and just like you're making me better every single day.
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I hope that I can rub off on you a little bit, and maybe we can make something out of nothing, and maybe we can put ourselves out there and not have to work our fingers to the bone.
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If we don't try, we don't know, right?
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That's a fact.
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So yeah, I'm gonna say that we both pretty much I think we've come to a common, a pretty common agreement or a common head at this point.
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As much as I like to think that you guys were stubborn and you guys maybe couldn't help it.
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You just wanted to work hard.
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I do think that there's so much that I could learn from your generation when it comes to taking my time doing it the way I can now, and the rest will come later, and not trying to be at the end right in the beginning.
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I want the end state gratification.
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I'm just as susceptible to all these things that I'm telling you.
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So I think I need to change and I try I need to start looking at the path and the journey, not so much the end.
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See, the journey to me, the journey is such an important part of it because if you fall asleep broke tonight and you wake up rich tomorrow, what what do you really have to say about it?
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Right?
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Where I can look back at all of the things that I've done in my life, and would I have been able to do a lot more cool stuff if I wasn't at work all the time, yeah.
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But I still I don't lack in that area because I've had a very fun and interesting life.
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But um to me, the the journey means so much more because then when you get to the destination, there's so much more of an appreciation for the journey versus oh I I fell asleep broke last night, woke up rich today.
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There's there's no appreciation in it.
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Yeah, I agree.
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And I I look up to you in that way and a lot because I need to start I need to start appreciating the journey, even the journey of all this.
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I know I told you before we released it, you know, it's gotta be perfect.
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And sometimes I think the perfection comes in us building the thing and doing the journey, you know.
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That's and you're right, I everything that you said has got me thinking that I need to let go a little bit more and understand that I'm gonna learn along the way and I'm going to get better along the way.
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Yeah, man.
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Ten episodes from now, we're gonna look back and see how much of an improvement we made.
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If it was perfect the first time, how do we ever improve on it?
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That's pretty beautiful, man.
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Not gonna lie.
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I think we wrap this one up pretty good.
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I don't know about you, but Yeah.
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I think we're done.
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Alright.
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Well, we'll see you guys next week.
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Tune in.
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Have a good week.
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Welcome to Old Dogs New Tricks, the podcast for two generations.
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Sit down, talk some shit, disagree on probably half of everything, and somehow try to meet in the middle.
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I'm Celtic Control.
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And I'm Raven Creek Outdoors.
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We come from different generations, different backgrounds, and we definitely don't always see the world the same way, but that's kind of the whole point.
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Somewhere along the way, disagreeing with somebody turned into hating somebody, and we're hoping to change that.
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And we're here to prove you can still argue your side, bust each other's balls, maybe even change your mind, and still shake hands when it's over.
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Gaming, outdoors, technology, relationships, raising our children, social media, life before the internet versus what it's like to live with it.
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Nothing's really off the table.
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So the question behind the whole show is can old dogs learn new tricks?
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And do the new dogs still have a few things to learn from the old ones?
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Well, there's only one way to find out.
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Welcome to old dogs and new tricks.
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Let's settle the fight.
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Welcome back, everybody.
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This is episode two of Old Dogs and New Tricks, where Thomas and I are going to try to bring two generations together by making them uh understand each other a little better.
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Uh this week we're gonna dive farther into work ethic.
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And I think before we do, we need to circle back to something that we started talking about last week, which was women in the workforce, and we did not get a chance to circle back to it.
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But um, Thomas, you wanted to blame my generation for uh women getting forced into work and kind of want to talk about that.
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To be fair, it wasn't even your generation, it'd be the generation before.
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But uh in my eyes, I've just seen what we used to think as the American dream being slowly stripped away from us.
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And to me, I look back and you know, I think that it was because women were forced, that's not the case.
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Women weren't forced into the workforce.
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World War II forced everybody into the workforce.
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It was the Nazis, to be honest.
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We can blame them.
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Um so yeah, I just wanted to walk that back.
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I realize that we're not always gonna be perfect, but we have to try to be accurate with the things that we say.
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Yep, we definitely need to.
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So yeah, women were not forced into the workplace, they were hired by companies that lost a lot of men who because the men had to go overseas.
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And um while they were over there, women were hired in, and then when the men came back, a lot of the women were were fired and let go because the men were back.
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And a lot of the women were like, hey, you know, we really liked that sense of freedom and independence, and so they fought to get back into the workplace.
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I love seeing men and women work together.
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I love seeing people come together, and I do feel like we have gotten cooler ideas and farther in a lot of fields than we would have ever been if women had if we wouldn't have let women enter the workforce.
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My biggest issue is that corporations have seen it as a money grab.
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And they see it as now, hey, that's another tax-identifiable number that I can just rip wealth from this person in the sense that it's happened.
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All we've gotten is less women at home with their kids, more women working 40 to 60 hours alongside their husbands or boyfriends.
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And I feel like men and women have gotten further further apart and gotten a bigger divide between each other instead of just working together to create a beautiful little household.
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You wanna get right into work ethic?
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Yeah, I think that is uh I think that's gonna be the topic of today.
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I think that's probably the most important thing.
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Something that our generations definitely look at each other and scoff at.
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Yeah, any questions?
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Um, what is your definition of hard work?
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Is it more of the thing you produce at the end or the amount of energy that I'm putting into something?
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It's a combination of everything.
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It's you show up on time.
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You you don't find every excuse in the book to go hide somewhere while you're at work or find every excuse to not show up to work.
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You you show up, you dig in, you get it done, you go home happy and sore.
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Now, what is wrong with finding a more efficient solution to a lot of those things?
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Like, let's say I could get the same amount of work done in an hour that you could get done in four hours.
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Now you're gonna have to use your book, you're gonna have to write things down, you're gonna be sweating, there's gonna be sweat coming off that brow.
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I'm gonna be nervous when I see that much water coming off your forehead.
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But you worked really hard to get it done.
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You know, I come through, I got my phone, I got my chat GPT, uh, do a couple calculations on there.
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It's done in an hour and 30 minutes.
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They both got the same end result, but at the end of the day, I put out a lot less energy and effort, so now I have more time for my family, I have more time for my friends, I have more time to chase the avenues of interest that I've always loved instead of doing it for someone else.
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When you present it like that, it sounds good.
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And it doesn't always work like that.
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Most of the time it's half butt.
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Most everything never works as planned.
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Right.
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I just said half butt because I can't cuss, I'm sorry.
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Um yeah, presented like that, that's that's a whole different ball game.
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When when someone has to cry that, oh my god, I worked 36 hours this week.
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I worked 42 hours, I'm so tired.
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I'm like, I'm like, really?
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You you work that particular person works at Little Caesars, okay?
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You and I work in a foundry.
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Now, where would you rather spend that 42 hours?
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Little Caesars because it's easy or in the foundry because we're dying.
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I'd probably rather spend it in the oven at Little Caesars because they're about the same temperature.
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But then you look at the money difference, right?
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I mean, nobody wakes up in the mornings like, yeah, I want to go to work, right?
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And I'm not gonna make any money doing it.
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Right.
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That which is why for my generation and even even the younger generation, I mean, fast food places, um working at the mall, stuff like that.
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I mean, that was that was part-time jobs or get me through high school and get me through college jobs, not a career.
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Starter jobs, and yeah, but instead of people instilling that in their kids, they told their kids, yeah, go out there and and fight for$15 an hour to flip burgers.
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When instead of saying, I don't want you to flip burgers for the rest of your life, I want you to get into something that you're good at and make a career out of it.
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Well, yeah, and I agree, and I also think by us forcing the whole minimum wage thing that messed up so many other things down the line.
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I mean, the cost of everything has gone up drastically.
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Like, yes, fast food workers are paid$15 an hour, but the burgers cost twice as much.
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The the scale of economy never changed.
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We're still putting out the same amount of things, and we have the same people consuming them.
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You know, you're just putting a different number in front of it and making everyone feel better.
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Yeah.
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Well, I don't feel better now.
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I'm pretty upset when I go to buy a McDouble and it's three dollars.
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Yeah.
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Uh even even getting stuff off the dollar menu, isn't there do they even call it a dollar menu?
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The value menu.
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Yeah.
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That's pretty good.
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And it's two McChickens for three dollars, and it breaks my heart.
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You used to, I know when my my two oldest were little and the younger ones weren't born yet.
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Um, I mean, we could go, there'd be four of us, and we could go to McDonald's, and it was like 20 bucks would feed the four of us, and now you're lucky if 20 bucks will feed two people.
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Yeah, the last time it was Taco Bell, that was the last time we went out to eat.
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It cost me for a family of four about$72 at a fast food restaurant.
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So we tend to not do that at all.
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But that's the thing, those people are working hard.
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I mean, it's not an easy job.
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I don't think that I disagree completely.
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It is an easy fucking job.
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Excuse my language.
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Because they literally take an order, slap some food together, wrap it up, and hand it out the window.
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There it is, it is not a hard job.
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Go go pour go pour 50 yards of concrete in a day.
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That's a hard job.
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Physically labored, no.
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The amount of stress I've I've seen people break down in restaurants and cry from people screaming at them.
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The amount of stress that you deal with dealing with customers on a daily basis, if you've never dealt with that, you really can't even put a word on it, man.
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It is it might not be physically hard, but mentally, it is very taxing.
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So I'm not saying that, yeah, of course they have a physically easy job, but we all still like having burgers, we all still use them.
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So to me, if they do their job right and they took pride in their work, it would not be an easy job.
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You are right.
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It is stressful, it is, and I and I get that, right?
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I mean, look, look at what you and I do.
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Okay.
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And in an entire plant will go down if me, you, and a few other guys can't figure out the problem.
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That's true.
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You know, people won't have food next week if we don't figure out a problem, you know.
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Um, that is a that is a really good point.
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And I'm not comparing apples to oranges.
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I just think sometimes I think your generation looks at jobs like that as they're not hard work, and I'm not saying that they are, they're not physically hard, but they do that's the key right there.
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You're right, is because we that's all we knew was physical work.
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So you I think that's probably one of the key points to everything right there when it comes to work ethic, is the difference in us only knowing physical labor, and you guys didn't have to just know physical labor.
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You had other opportunities that weren't physical, so that's that's a really good point.
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I was just gonna say that's a beautiful point to make because I grew up with the internet and technology, I grew up with so many different things that it's like, yeah, I could work really hard, but hey, here's a small shortcut that can get me there, and I might save my body in the process.
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You guys didn't have that option at all.
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No, and a lot of a lot of us jumped right into that when the internet hit.
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A lot of them were like, heck yeah, and they jumped right on board that train, right?
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And a lot of us didn't because a lot of us had blue-collar tradesmen as fathers that were our biggest influence in our life, saying, Oh, this computer stuff is a bunch of garbage, you got to get your hands dirty, you still got to keep doing what you were gonna do.
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Yeah, I I guess that is a a really good point, and that's sometimes why I be showing people like you and all the other older gentlemen at work how to use things like chat GPT.
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Yeah, is because I just don't it's not even fair.
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You guys have never you've never been shown it at a young age, so to you it's not a tool, to you it's an annoyance.
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To you, it's it's just something that's not gonna make your life easier or better, it's just another roadblock in the way for you to do your hard work and get it done.
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Yeah.
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Now, and I guess I'm I don't know if you want to call it old school, I'd say it's more stubborn than anything because if you call me tomorrow and tell me that there's something wrong with your computer, I will come over here and fix your computer.
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I know an ungodly amount of knowledge about computers, and the only reason is because of all the years I spent doing automation.
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I didn't want to learn about computers, but I was forced to, which didn't just mean, you know, uploading software for this robot or writing the software for another robot.
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It actually was like, oh, my computer doesn't work, and I'm 1200 miles away from home.
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I have to fix my computer or I can't do my job, and if I can't do my job, I'm stuck here a lot longer than three weeks and can't go home.
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So the thing is, I'm just so used to working with my hands and my back that making that making the same kind of money with my brain versus my hands and my back doesn't seem feasible to me, not because I can't do it, because it doesn't feel right.
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Right.
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If I'm not at the end of the day, if I'm not filthy and my back doesn't hurt, I literally feel like I failed today.
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Yeah, see, and that's the big difference in our generation, because I am the opposite.
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If I can get the job done with the least amount of damage to my body, and then I can come home and hold my kids, and they're not like, Dad, you're so tired, and then I fall asleep on the couch.
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To me, that is the biggest win.
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And it probably would be different if I was building my own business or I work for some small mom and pop company.
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But the truth of the matter is, I know if I can get the job done and it can be more efficient and we're still the same end result, more than likely bigger employers are gonna like that.
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It's the small mom and pop places when that can hurt.
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Um so yeah, the divide, the divide's there.
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But I really think we're actually agreeing we agree on more than our generations want to let on.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I'm actually I'm seeing that more and more the more you and I talk, not not so much on here because this is new, but I mean we talk about this stuff together at work all the time, and um I am noticing like there's a lot we have a lot more similarities than we would have ever thought.
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100%.
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Even seeing uh seeing you use things like Chat GPT, you become so good at it so fast, like you are extremely adaptable with technology.
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There's so many things that you've shown me, like the lays and mills, or so many things that like you are good with like some of the CNC and some of the technology, and it's not it's not all your generation.
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What makes me what makes it me laugh is there's such a big gap in your generation because not everyone was ever around computers.
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So I worked with a gentleman, I took his background on his screens there or on his desktop and I took a screenshot of all the icons, and then I deleted all his icons and made the background that desktop so it looked like he had folders.
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He sat there and clicked on it for 20 minutes before he freaked out and could not get it to not figure it out all it was.
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I just changed his background and make it look like he had folders before.
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That's awesome.
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But see, someone like you, I would never be able to get you a that it would take you probably 22 seconds to be like, oh, hold on, this isn't even a real real folder.
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This is all a giant image.
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So there's a big breadth of I don't know, or a big uh gap between even your generation and your generation when it comes to technology.
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Oh, there is, there is a it's a 50-50 because you know, like I said, a lot of us were just were either in high school, just getting out, or had just been out for a couple years when the internet hit.
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And 50% of them ran with it, and 50% of them ran away from it.
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That is the funniest thing I've ever heard because it's the truth.
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Yep.
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It is.
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Um I was one of the ones that ran away from them, but the career I pursued pushed me into them, and I'm I'm glad that it did because I'm very I'm very versatile um compared to a lot of people, and I'm not saying I'm the only one.
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There's a lot of people that are that are just like me that are very versatile.
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Um I don't know everything about them.
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I know a lot about them.
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And the different systems, the different operating systems are pretty easy to learn.
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Or sometimes you can look in an operating system and you automatically know where the operating system came from because either you worked on it somewhere else before or you just understand the language of it right away.
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But yeah, I guess that is uh I guess that's a really good point.
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One of the biggest fear in my generation does this probably to the younger generation.
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I can't remember what the new generation is called, it's not Gen Z, but they have this like fear that AI is gonna take away everyone's jobs, no one's gonna have a job anymore, and we're all just gonna be super poor.
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But the thing is, we've had technological breakthroughs like this before.
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I mean, look at the Industrial Revolution.
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There's been many times when they used to they used to pay people to knock on your window and wake you up in England in the 1700s.
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There was no alarm clock.
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We need to do that.
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That's not a house late today, man.
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Yeah, I fell asleep and I woke up like 20 minutes after my alarm went off.
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If you would have paid for a window knocker, that would have never happened.
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Yep.
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So I uh I wonder if it would be a subscription.
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Ooh, oh, like a monthly thing?
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Yeah, like you pay monthly and and you just give them your schedule and they stop by.
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If you get the premium version, they'll do an extra five minutes of knocking afterwards if you don't answer.
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Well, that's not what I was thinking.
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Let's do the premium version.
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Yeah, I uh technology changes like this a lot, and we have to work less physical labor more and more.
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Like every time we have a big breakthrough in technology, imagine talking to people like the small children in like the shipyards, and they're like, I don't want to work near more pa.
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And you're like, you gotta do it.
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Hard work.
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Yeah, put it down, get to work, or I'll kick you off the docks into the ocean.
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So yeah, I think it's normal for this to happen, and it's normal for the older generation to be super apprehensive of the technological changes that are coming.
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Yeah, but if you can get on top of it and if you can ride that wave, so to say, I mean, that's probably how you get your Rockefellers and all your big your big business guys, is that they were on top of the wave and they caught it at the right time with technology, but they also had the wisdom of the older generation, you know, the wisdom of how to do things right and to do the right thing when no one's looking.
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Yep.
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I the more the more and more of my life that's gone by, the more I realize that I've picked up a lot of traits from my dad.
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For example, me not wanting to get into computers, right?
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But I my job, my my career forced me into it.
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I'm glad it did.
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Now, with my dad, my dad built houses all of his life, and everybody in the late 80s was running roofing guns.
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My dad would not touch one.
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My dad was like, oh, you gotta you gotta stop every every 20 minutes and reload them.
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And I'm like, Dad, you can uh you can you can roll roofing nails through your fingers and put down you know one shingle a minute.
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You while you're doing that, I'm squares ahead of you because I'm putting down like three shingles a minute.
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And yeah, you're right.
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I'm even though I only got a couple hundred square feet ahead of you, you know, within an hour, um I did have to stop and reload it, which took me like all of 18 seconds.
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And I look back on that and I think to myself now, like I'm I'm just as stubborn as my dad was.
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It it just the scenarios are different, but it's the same stubbornness.
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I don't want to do that.
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How can that how can that be any better?
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Same thing with you and I, right?
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Like, come on, Thomas, how how can I how can I make the kind of money I make breaking my back every day off of a computer, man?
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But you show me.
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Exactly.
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And we can we can do it, especially especially right now.
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We're at like the precipice of like technology converging with like computers, science, health, and medicine is all coming together.
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So not only can we probably make enough to provide our family a decent living, we can probably live a longer life because of a lot of these things.
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You know, like there are some negatives, and I will say that our generation lost the ability to do something without an instant reward.
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You know, I need I need something right now.
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I need it.
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If I'm doing this, well I gotta see tomorrow that you know I I'm I'm winning.
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And you guys used to be able to do things for years just because you liked it.
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Slow instead slow slow is smooth, smooth is fast.
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Yes.
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Yeah, that's like a uh that's like a military euphemism.
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I always thought it was.
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I know it definitely stems from your generation.
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Um you take your time and you do things right.
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Yeah, once once you learn the fundamentals of something anything, and you do it right, and you do it more and more and more, you become faster at it.
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But those original fundamentals of it you build muscle memory.
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I kind of wish that our generation had better sayings, but like we get like the worst sayings.
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Uh, some of 'em are okay, but we definitely don't have any good euphemisms that come from like the early two thousands.
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It was all Backstreet Boys and Diddley Bob.
00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:14.559
So continuing on with the work ethic, there's another thing I kind of want to to to dive into in work ethic, and that's that like I'm 51.
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I've I've worked quite a few places, a lot of different trades over the years, and other than an initial negotiation for money during an interview, I have never, ever in my life asked an employee or an employer for more money.
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One of my pet peeves is that the younger generations are like, oh, they want me to do that, they got to pay me more.
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Well, I was raised.
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If you show you can do the job and you start doing more and show you can do more, they pay you more.
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I've never asked for money, and I have always made good money.
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They give raises without me asking or anything like that.
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And yet I watch I watch my sons, and it's like, well, yeah, I would, you know, I could do this and that, but they're not gonna, they're not paying me more to do it.
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I'm like, but when they see that you have the potential and they see that you have the motivation and take the initiative, they're like, hey, this kid, this kid can do the job.
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He's more than capable of doing the job.
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We don't want to let him go.
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We don't want to lose him.
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Let's give him more money.
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And I said, but you guys, you guys don't look at it like that at all.
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You guys just automatically are like, nope, I'll I'll do more when they pay me more.
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And employers don't look at it that way.
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They're like, you show me you can do more, I will pay you more.
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Yeah, you know, and I I tend to agree that in most cases that is true, but I feel like we should start to look at employers more.
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Like, are you actually gonna make my life better in five or ten years?
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Are you gonna give me the training necessary that I need to really take my skill set to the next level?
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Do you provide my family with the idea of retirement, the comfort with the idea of retirement?
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And so many people are just looking for a job that they're willing to step up and do whatever they can for these companies that would replace you tomorrow if you died.
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Like you said, they'd have your job title out before you obituary, even hit the streets.
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Yeah, I I agree 100% with all of that, because these companies they'll they think they just get people a dime a dozen, and now they even think that with the skilled trades.
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And there's a lot of situations now where they don't even consider something a skilled trade that's been a skilled trade for a hundred years.
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Yeah, like certain building aspects.
00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:53.119
Um, I know for a while I did not realize that masonry was an actual skill trade.
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Oh, yeah.
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I just thought it meant you were like a grand poobah at the secret societies, and but like I thought a free I did not realize that masons were legitimate trades.
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I just thought people made blocks and stuck them together.
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Once I became an electrician and I started to get around other tradesmen, I realized how many trades there are and how we need each other.
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Yeah, there's a lot of divide between the trades too, but and there shouldn't be.
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But I think most of it is just playful.
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Like everybody rags on the electricians because you know, electricians don't know how to use a broom and clean up after themselves.
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They also say that we got boyfriends on the side.
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I don't really like that one.
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That one hurts my feelings.
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Feelings, what are those?
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That's fair.
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Yeah, I uh I will say that I feel like a lot of blue-collar men understand and women, we understand work ethic and hard work a lot better than some of the other people in other fields.
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Like if you tried to get a data analyst for two days in our job, he would fall apart.
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He would fall apart in two hours.
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The moment that something didn't work and he had to use a chisel and a hammer, and he hit his hand, and he's oh, it'd be the best thing to watch.
00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:28.480
So I uh I do agree that the blue trades probably have hard work figured out the best, but I still think our generation could show you guys a thing or two when it comes to using these things as tools.
00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:29.599
No, you're right.
00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:40.079
You're right, and it and a lot of it is gonna be the stubbornness on our side that we don't we don't want to learn it, right?
00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:44.480
I mean, I've been blue collar my whole life, and I always will be.
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I'll always be in the trades until I can't work anymore.
00:26:51.279 --> 00:27:00.960
And I think a lot of the problems that we talk about are actually less seen in the trades than they are outside the trades, like you said a minute ago.
00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:10.960
Well, and part of me wonders if that's because in the trades you have a lot of old dogs and young dogs working together.
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I mean, I before I got in the trades, I had never worked with anyone over the age of 30 as a young man.
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And now I got into the trades, and I'm working with people's grandpappies, and me and them are down in a pit somewhere slanging a wrench together, and he's yelling at me and calling me dumb, and I'm yelling 6'7, and we're figuring it out together, man.
00:27:28.960 --> 00:27:38.880
No, not really the 6'7 part, but I feel like there's a lot of intergenerational bridging that happens in the trades, and that could be why we don't run into a lot of these problems.
00:27:40.480 --> 00:28:23.039
So instead of always going back and forth about who's doing this wrong, who's doing that wrong, what if you took everything that all of us old school guys have trial, tried, failed, and succeeded at over the decades and basically perfected because of those experiences, and you incorporated all of the younger guys with the newer innovations and the newer tools, and you could combine those two together, you could build a pretty powerful team.
00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:28.880
I would say possibly one of the strongest teams ever assembled.
00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:34.079
It'd be like getting Russia and the United States to form an all-star basketball team to the Olympics.
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It'd be unstoppable.
00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:39.440
You ever see Expendables three?
00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:42.160
I have not, but I'll watch it now.
00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:44.319
I I think it's the yeah, it's the third one.
00:28:44.480 --> 00:29:01.599
So Expendables 3, you have like Ronda Rousey and a bunch of younger um militants that have their group, and then you have, you know, all the old school guys, Sylvester Stallone and Wesley Snipes and Jason Statham.
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And so the old school ones are looking at the younger ones like go back to go back to preschool and go change your diapers.
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And the younger ones are looking at the older ones like you take that outdated crap and get out of here.
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We got this.
00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:24.079
And both failed separately, but working together, nothing could stop them.
00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:25.119
Ooh, this is it.
00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:25.920
This is the movie?
00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:27.119
I'm gonna have to check this out.
00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:28.400
That actually sounds really good.
00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:28.880
Yeah.
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:35.519
I've only seen the first Expendables, but I just know that it's the most masculine manly movie you could ever get in your entire life.
00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:41.599
You have everyone jacked up, ready to go, action scenes upon no end.
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:44.640
So uh I'm not gonna lie, that's my type of movie.
00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:45.599
I'll have to check it out.
00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:47.200
All three of them are really good.
00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:49.519
Okay, that's fair.
00:29:49.759 --> 00:30:09.599
Yeah, I think I think if we could create the expendables with our podcast, if we could create a team, a teamwork of sort of homarottery between our generations, that maybe we can discover things about ourselves and about each other that we never realized we could do.
00:30:09.920 --> 00:30:18.640
I mean, you have taught me so many things in the field that I didn't even realize you know how to do, and I'm sure vice versa, that's that's kind of how we make such a strong team.
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:20.400
It's because our generational gap.
00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:21.119
Yeah.
00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:29.519
You and I do a lot of stuff at work that's I would have a much harder time doing it without you, and you would have a much harder time doing it without me.
00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:36.799
But we we threw the we put the two together and we get we get shit done.
00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:46.400
Yeah, if we could get the world to function like we do at work, me and you, when it comes to working on things together, I honestly think the the world would be a better place.
00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:47.680
We'd solve hunger tomorrow.
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:49.599
I just hope they would walk faster than you do.
00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:51.599
I have the lot shortest legs, dude.
00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:52.160
It's hard.
00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:57.119
Your legs are only two inches shorter than mine, and you walk three miles an hour slower than I do.
00:30:57.519 --> 00:31:00.240
Over time, the average adds up, okay?
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:02.559
Those two inches over a whole day.
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:04.160
It hurts, man.
00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:06.559
Yeah, no, that's fair.
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:13.200
I'm trying to I'm trying to pace myself so that as you get older, I'll still be going the same speed.
00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:17.759
That's really I got that's that's the best thing I've ever heard.
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:22.799
I want to make sure that when I'm 50 and you're 80, we're right next to each other, man.
00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:25.839
So you're just pacing yourself.
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:26.400
Exactly.
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:26.799
All right.
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:28.640
I'm playing the long game, Jay.
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:30.559
That's great.
00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:40.079
Yeah, I think uh I think work ethic is something that my generation could learn a lot from you guys about.
00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:46.240
And I started off the show kind of thinking, like, well, you just we have different definitions of what work is.
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But the more I listen to what you say, the more I see there's tons of value in taking your time and doing something to do it and to learn, not for the end result.
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Almost like the journey, doing it for the journey.
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And I think that comes from you putting in the hard work and not putting your nose to the dirt stone or whatever I said last time.
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Grindstone.
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It's supposed to be grindstone.
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I knew what it was.
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:11.599
I was nervous.
00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:13.279
You guys make me scared.
00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:15.680
I um don't be scared, man.
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I'm here.
00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:16.720
Thanks, dude.
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You make me feel better.
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I'll make sure that I always put my nose to the grindstone.
00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:22.480
I never put it to the dirt stone.
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:24.559
That seems like an uncomfortable situation.
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:37.839
I and I only hope that the more we talk about this, the more that both of us can start to realize at the end of the day, we're both walking the same path.
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:41.839
We just got different shoes, and let's try to make it more comfy.
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:42.640
I got some Dr.
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:44.079
Scholars, you want to try them?
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:50.000
I am not putting my feet anywhere yours have been.
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:53.119
But I do want to ask you a question.
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So, for you growing up, okay, what were some of your influences leading that would have led up to your career choices and what you actually wanted to do in life?
00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:16.000
So that's pretty wild because it's not who you would expect.
00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:25.599
Um as an electrician, now it's not like I looked at one single person, now it's like, oh hey, this is exactly what this does.
00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:31.519
My dad was a construction contractor, so my dad did tons of building, and I used to be on job sites with him all the time as a kid.
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So I got to be around a lot of camaraderie with dudes and just guys in general looking out for each other and busting each other and picking each other back up and making sure that you're taken care of at the end of the day.
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And I spent some time away from my dad between 10 to 15 or 16.
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I was with my mom all the time, and my mom had her own freelance writing business.
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So it's kind of cool.
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She would do SEO, it's called search engine optimization.
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So she stayed home, stayed with me, made sure that I could go back and forth from school, and my mom would write articles for different companies online, and she would make them pop up quicker in search results.
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So I watched her and basically bring us out of having nothing to being on the computer.
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I've seen one side, which is my dad and the hard work.
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Hard work all the time with the boys, and then I had this section of life with my mom, and all she's doing is creating something online.
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She doesn't even have a physical store.
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It's all technology, all technology.
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So you got the best of both worlds with that.
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100%.
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:46.320
And she was the biggest influence to me when it comes to like the streaming stuff, and when it comes to anything to do with the online creation.
00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:51.199
Um, I watched her create nothing from or create something from nothing.
00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:53.280
She created a whole online store.
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She was featured in a book, and it all started from her being, and she had her own computer office, and it was just a small room in the house, but people online probably thought she was just this giant company or this giant store.
00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:10.000
And it was um it was really encouraging and something to this day that I still look up to and respect.
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:27.039
See, so your I mean, basically your influences growing up led you to exactly what I was just talking about a minute ago, where you know, taking the the hard the hard work as far as the physical labor and and stuff and adding technology into it.
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:31.679
And that's probably why you are getting so good at what you do.
00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:32.960
Thanks, man.
00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:40.639
Yeah, it's uh no one on seven years now, as for me making things online and trying not to get made fun of.
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:42.639
It is pretty rough sometimes.
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But we do better now than we used to, and I think we will get better at this.
00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:51.119
I mean, we're you're doing it right now, and you've done it with your Raven Freak Outdoors.
00:35:51.280 --> 00:36:06.559
How many things, how many times you put yourself out there online, and you don't do it for money, you do it because you're creating something, and there's a sense of community, but there's also a sense of ham building something from nothing, and I love that so much.
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I respect that so much.
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Yeah, I think that was why I liked construction work so much because I would drive by where these huge, beautiful houses were, and I do remember that just a year ago I was driving by there, and it was just uh either a burnt-down house or just a plot of grass.
00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:34.239
So it's it's nice to build something from nothing and get to see the end result.
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:43.199
That's always like the biggest joke about guys that have construction or roofer dads, is anytime you're driving in the car, your dad would be like, Hey, I put the roof on that.
00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:44.719
Yeah, I do that to my kids all the time.
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:45.599
It's so funny.
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The issue with doing electrical is uh you never really get to do that.
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Like, hey, I tied some wire nuts in there, look out.
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Like, it's not the same, you can't see it from the outside, it's not as cool.
00:36:55.599 --> 00:37:02.159
Um, but that's a lot of blue collar, is that whereas we're building the infrastructure around everyone.
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:03.360
So you want to show it off.
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:05.920
You don't get to show it off to a lot of people, you know?
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:19.599
That's what's always engaged me with the trades more than anything, and it's because you're either problem solving or you're creating.
00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:21.679
Those are the two things that we do all day.
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If we're not solving problems or we're not building something, we're not doing our job.
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And those are like my two favorite things to do in the whole world.
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:52.079
That's probably the biggest hurdle with like what I was talking about earlier, where you know, for most of us that have always been in the trades and done physical labor, if we're not half dead, broken, and sweaty at the end of the day, we feel like we didn't work today, we didn't do what we were paid to do.
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:58.320
You know, and for hundreds of years, only until recently, that was honestly the case.
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:01.679
I mean, and there's nothing wrong with just acknowledging that.
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But I hope that we can start to build towards a brighter future and we can start to bring a lot of the older generation towards using some of these tools.
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:31.840
Like I was saying with Janice Internittent Sweaters, like if we could show some of these older people how to utilize these tools like AI and even just some of the computer software, um, they would they'd be able to make not only a living, but they would be able to thrive in life to where they don't have to break down or rely on social security.
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:36.800
I guess let me ask you this, Jay.
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What is your influence?
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How did you get to where you are now?
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My my biggest influence, hands down, was my dad.
00:38:49.360 --> 00:39:06.960
Um my dad built houses all of his life, and in the 80s, he he started a movie production company with some of his friends in Lichfield, and they made a movie, and um it didn't go as well as they planned, and he went right back to construction.
00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:12.159
Um I wanted to be like my dad.
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So if he was working in town, then when I would get out of school, I would ride my bike to his job site and spend a couple hours working with him.
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We'd throw my bike in the back of the truck, go home.
00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:35.760
I learned by the time I was twelve, I already fluently knew how to read blueprints because I was always on job sites with him growing up.
00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:36.639
That's awesome.
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:49.840
So he unintentionally kind of gave me my love for the trades.
00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:55.440
And he he never was just specific to one trade, right?
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Like when you get into construction work, you've got framers and sheathers and roofers and window and door guys and masons.
00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:04.880
We did everything from the ground up.
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:13.119
So I learned all trades of construction growing up, you know, and and I all through my teens, that's what I did.
00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:21.920
And then when I turned 18, I went into a factory and I was working third shift, and then I worked full-time in construction during the day.
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:26.320
So my my love of the trades came from my dad.
00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:31.840
So my dad always he always worked hard and he always built houses.
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:36.800
So it was, you know, and it wasn't it wasn't just new construction, it was a lot of renovations.
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:44.559
Um I was probably I was probably already breathing asbestos by the time I by the time I was 10 years old, you know.
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:50.239
But um, yeah, that was my my dad was my biggest influence growing up for that.
00:40:51.119 --> 00:41:00.320
So you feel like that's probably also where you got the ability to work, well not the ability, but how were you first seeing what hard work and dedication had brought to the table?
00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:04.320
And even at a young age, do you feel like he helped influence or steer you?
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:05.519
Absolutely.
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Yeah, because if it if it wasn't for you know, I mean he was he was up and gone by the time I got up and left for school.
00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:25.119
And if he wasn't working in town to where I rode my bicycle over to where he was at after school, he was working out of town or something.
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:27.360
I mean, we didn't see him till the sun went down.
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That's how most families were, you know, 20 or 30 years ago.
00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:45.039
Um, you know, and I grew I grew up the same, same exact way, and I'm starting to do that now with my children, and it's breaking my heart.
00:41:45.440 --> 00:42:04.800
You know, I used to be gone so many hours throughout the day, and it's just now that I'm able to take this digital creation that I've done to where I can actually supplement the income of my family, and I don't have to work all the time, and I can spend more hours with my kids and my family, and I wouldn't be able to do any of that without all this.
00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:08.239
I would still be working so hard, my fingers to the bone.
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:13.199
So I really I have to thank technology with both hands.
00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:17.599
I don't know where I would be or what I'd be doing without it, but I'd be scared.
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That's a fact.
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I'd be scared, broken, beaten down, and your generation wouldn't, your generation live through it, and they're two or three times as strong as us because of it.
00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:55.280
Yeah, I I think our generation and the and the boomers were definitely built differently, but uh than the younger generations, but seeing seeing now what I failed to see over the last 30 years, I wish I would have gotten more into technology and stuff ten years ago.
00:42:55.599 --> 00:43:01.440
Because I think that I would be in a different place physically, mentally, and financially if I would have done that.
00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:08.239
I'm glad we met because it's never too late, and just like you're making me better every single day.
00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:20.000
I hope that I can rub off on you a little bit, and maybe we can make something out of nothing, and maybe we can put ourselves out there and not have to work our fingers to the bone.
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:22.320
If we don't try, we don't know, right?
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:23.360
That's a fact.
00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:31.679
So yeah, I'm gonna say that we both pretty much I think we've come to a common, a pretty common agreement or a common head at this point.
00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:41.840
As much as I like to think that you guys were stubborn and you guys maybe couldn't help it.
00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:43.440
You just wanted to work hard.
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:58.400
I do think that there's so much that I could learn from your generation when it comes to taking my time doing it the way I can now, and the rest will come later, and not trying to be at the end right in the beginning.
00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:00.639
I want the end state gratification.
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:05.360
I'm just as susceptible to all these things that I'm telling you.
00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:12.000
So I think I need to change and I try I need to start looking at the path and the journey, not so much the end.
00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:26.480
See, the journey to me, the journey is such an important part of it because if you fall asleep broke tonight and you wake up rich tomorrow, what what do you really have to say about it?
00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:27.360
Right?
00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:37.440
Where I can look back at all of the things that I've done in my life, and would I have been able to do a lot more cool stuff if I wasn't at work all the time, yeah.
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:43.599
But I still I don't lack in that area because I've had a very fun and interesting life.
00:44:43.840 --> 00:45:00.880
But um to me, the the journey means so much more because then when you get to the destination, there's so much more of an appreciation for the journey versus oh I I fell asleep broke last night, woke up rich today.
00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:04.159
There's there's no appreciation in it.
00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:05.760
Yeah, I agree.
00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:15.440
And I I look up to you in that way and a lot because I need to start I need to start appreciating the journey, even the journey of all this.
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:18.480
I know I told you before we released it, you know, it's gotta be perfect.
00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:25.280
And sometimes I think the perfection comes in us building the thing and doing the journey, you know.
00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:38.800
That's and you're right, I everything that you said has got me thinking that I need to let go a little bit more and understand that I'm gonna learn along the way and I'm going to get better along the way.
00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:39.679
Yeah, man.
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:45.519
Ten episodes from now, we're gonna look back and see how much of an improvement we made.
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:49.119
If it was perfect the first time, how do we ever improve on it?
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:51.280
That's pretty beautiful, man.
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Not gonna lie.
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:54.800
I think we wrap this one up pretty good.
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I don't know about you, but Yeah.
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I think we're done.
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:01.119
Alright.
00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:02.880
Well, we'll see you guys next week.
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Tune in.
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Have a good week.
