AEW Dynamite Disaster, Logan Paul & Tom Brady WrestleMania Plans, Ricochet Controversy, Tony Khan WWE Bid | The Two Count w/Jonathan Coachman

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[SPEAKER_02]: What is good everybody?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're starting and we're starting on time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome in to episode number two And we like to call the two count.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is the fastest show in all of pro wrestling and I'm telling you right now
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you come here, every single Tuesday at 11.30 a.m. Eastern time, you won't be sorry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This will become a part of your day, 10 topics, two and a half minutes per topic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe even a little bonus.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But when we started this show, I said to myself, I've got to have somebody who's my equal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got to have somebody who can bring it strong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got to have somebody who's polarizing that you love and maybe you love to hate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I found the exact guy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's bring him in my partner here on the two count every single Tuesday, J.D.
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[SPEAKER_02]: from New York.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My god, Mike, we got to give ourselves a round of applause.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What a what a debut we had last week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What a debut coach almost 20,000 views just about 20,000 views and over 2,000 likes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Our audiences absolutely killed it last week and I said on social media, last week's topics were great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This week's topics are even hotter, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait to get into it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, let's get right into it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's not waste any time because that's what we do here at the two counts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, topic number one, we're going right back to Monday Night Raw last night.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was kind of interesting because for the, I guess the four time they decided to end the show with a promo segment, CM Punk and Roman Reigns, but it was a little bit different having J.U.
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[SPEAKER_02]: so directing traffic at the end.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's where I want to start.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What did you make of that last segment and how the U.S. and Roman interacted?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually liked last night's segment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Last week, I did not like the segment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like it felt flat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like they just went out there and Adlib.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't know which direction they wanted to go in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like it was just them running on fumes already because they started this build right after the elimination chamber.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know Roman mentioned last week that punk was old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of people question what the reason behind that was and why punk got angry at that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Last night, I'm glad that CM Punk actually addressed the comments of him being old and he embraced being old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We know he's at the talent of his career.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We see the gray in his beard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I absolutely loved the explanation he gave and I thought it made sense, given what we saw and heard from Roman last week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This week it was more about Roman kind of waiting and waiting and waiting and then Jay Uso has been a primary player in this entire thing and I know we talked about this last week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like the inclusion of the Uso's in this because there's only so much that punk and Roman can do and say Jay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: almost feels like he is becoming Roman or more like Roman and I see a lot of people on social media claiming that L.A. nine, all these other people are now once again going back on that narrative.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I don't know what that means for WrestleMania.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually quite enjoy what's going on right now because not only are we getting a mega WrestleMania main event for night too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is also clouded in a
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[SPEAKER_00]: in a nice encasement of unpredictability and I like that because with the usos there and the family dynamic being there we don't know what's going on and I know you probably noticed that that backstage segment with the usos in LA night in the background and triple it's does this from time to time and it's
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've done by design they did it at WrestleMania 40 when rock beat Cody Rhodes up in front of the tour bus and he's yelling Mama Rhodes out in the rain We saw the production truck of John Cena and Stone Cold Steve Austin now one of those guys Made an appearance at WrestleMania 40 to help Cody win the championship last night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We saw the same thing, but who's face was on the production truck the rock?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know what the what they're going for, but I liked this unpredictability and I thought that they actually Bounce back from last week segment at the end of the morning arrow
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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see how you left me zero time to talk in the first segment shows you how much you're actually into it Which I love here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Here's the thing having J.U.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So in a spot like that J.D.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We've never seen that before.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's always been the follower.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's always been the guy that Roman Reigns talked about.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, let's stop with the clock.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna keep going.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We had a little beat this week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So having J-U-S-O in this position, J-D, it's thinking about things past WrestleMania.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's thinking about character development, adding layers to the character that he's had for what 10 or 15 years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is what we want from creative for all of these characters, but especially in the bloodline.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So J-U-S-O have more of this, because Roman Reigns, he's not gonna be around every week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: J-U-S-O-J-D, he is great segment last week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: how they get through the next three weeks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, because we've already done it four times, but I think they'll figure it out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, topic number two, and JD, you do an entire show on Wednesday nights after Dynamite.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And last week coming off of their paper view, we're like, there's gonna have a big audience.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They did over 700,000 people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But a lot of people were calling it a disaster, the worst thing ever, what are we doing?
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[SPEAKER_02]: dynamite, absolutely dropped the ball in my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What about yours?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Aw, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know where to start with this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 700,000 people is great for them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The audience felt like there was 70 people in attendance because it was so correct.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was so dead all night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The crowd was just completely off one of the worst crowds ever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've ever heard all year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I always have this feeling that after a great paper view.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We always get this level of excitement for a W. Where are they going to go next?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They got these new foods and these new stories potentially popping up going into the next paper view.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It almost feels like they don't know how to follow up a paper view ever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Wednesday night show even though it produced a very good number for them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the highest numbers they've done in probably two years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what their line of thinking is to put on a level of show like that coach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you watched it from beginning to end, but we got a Darby Allen car crash.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got a casket match that had absolutely zero heat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We had Will Osprey make his return in ring against a ring of honor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No body in Blake Christian.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't even make time to put this guy on television.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he puts him in the ring with Will Osprey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Instead of making money off a big return match for Will Osprey, absolutely hated that decision.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in the main event, you got coped and Christian out there in front of a dead crowd addressing the young bucks and FTR, lifeless, no heat for this tag team, title matches coming up at Dynasty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they put Rocky Romero and the Don Callis family in the main event.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, what the, what the fuck are we doing here?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I was, I was befuddled at how awful the show was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was just no energy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was almost like he put the show together with an AI program.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what he's thinking over there, seriously.
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[SPEAKER_02]: well he gets exposed he's exposed because he had the money to start a pro wrestling organization but not the mind not the production mind not that the level that you need to have it to be on TBS every single week he loves to compare to the shows of old he knows how to book wrestling matches that's not a show JD you both
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[SPEAKER_02]: a show based off storylines and then you feed into the characters and then those characters it's up to them to take it on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We had three matches, did we not?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Three that had blood everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When you have blood everywhere, I don't want to hear that's on brand for us, that's who we are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, blood has to be used sporadically for it to mean something.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you do that JD three days after MJF and Hangman out of page did what they did, it means absolutely nothing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why can't he?
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is my question for you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why can't he figure out that he's got to put people around him?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I'm not an accountant.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not a doctor and I wouldn't try to be.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why does he think he's a smartest guy in the room in your mind?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't care, he doesn't care.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what type of mentality he has.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't care.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He has developed the personality and the character traits of somebody who is an narcissist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he feels like he is right all the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we've seen this time and time again and pro wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I hated the WWE in the later stages of Vince McMahon's run there because he just would not take anything from anybody unless it came directly from his people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what Tony Khan has now surrounded himself with is nothing but a bunch of glorified Yesmen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I can't stay in that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's hired social media influencers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not going to tell him anything at all about how awful his direction is from time to time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that show was deplorable on Wednesday night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The willowsbray thing pissed me off to no one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got this guy for six months out and you bring him back instead of building a money match with a built in programming against John moxley for that first match to happen on tape review He gives it away in front of a dead crowd in Fresno, California and it meant absolutely nothing and
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why we just could have a promo segment and a storyline built to the next pay preview, but he wants to go out there and give us exactly what he gave us for six hours coach on the previous week and wrestling wrestling wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He wrestles, wrestles you to death.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I might, I might for fun in this hand to give this guy some dialogue and that's it call it a day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wish you were kidding about the six hours, but you're not, but you're not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now we'll Osprey is a star, which we go right into the next segment with Tony Storm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the one thing that also Tony County, we got a little surprise for the people at the end of the show, by the way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You want to stay tuned for a little Tony Khan kickoff as it were, but Tony storm is an absolute star and If you're looking for bright lights coming out of AEW, that has been the character of Tony storm for the last several years Now work comes out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They do that very weird lame injury angle, or she's laid out in the locker room And then work comes out with no explanation whatsoever that she's gonna be out for an extended period of time
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[SPEAKER_02]: this for AEW.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we don't know exactly what the issue is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All we saw was that she was laid out in a pool of her own blood by a mystery attacker.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we don't know if AEW was running this angle and how long they will be running.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Normally, when you see an angle like that, it's built up over weeks and weeks of television.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They'll probably do that on Wednesday and then they won't follow it up until the week Tony Storm comes back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People are running with the narrative that she's injured, melted, put out something very cryptic saying that she's going to be out for a very, very long time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So everybody assumed that it was an injury.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then he came out and said, it's not injury related.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So people immediately jumped on the pregnant narrative.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't want to put speculation out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But McCowch, the big thing is that Mercedes Monet, who
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say I think Tony Storm is a bigger star in their division overall Mercedes is the bigger star.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But for A, that Tony Storm is their biggest women star Mercedes is out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's about to come back any week now and I'm assuming she'll factor into plans going into Wembley for all in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But my question to you, I'm going to bounce it to you, has A, W, or Tony Com built up any of these other women to the level of a Tony Storm or Mercedes money where it feels like if one of them go out of both of them go out, the division is going to be able to stay a float.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to me the answer is no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how they feel about that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But they recently know it's a resounding no.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, that's a great question.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the answer is no.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do a show on serious with Thunder Rosa every single Friday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we don't talk about this a lot, but I look at her and I go, man, maybe this is somebody that can come back and build them up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Here's the thing that Tony Condescent understands that Tony Storm has done by herself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and if Tony would let some of these talents run with their characters, you never know what could hit, but if it's not his, you just set it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If it's not his idea that he doesn't want to go with it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So now Tony storms out, Mercedes is still out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Who do you go to?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Who's the name that if you're just a casual wrestling fan?
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[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I know who that is or if you're a hardcore wrestling fan.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I want to see that person I would argue that the tag team division is probably the biggest thing that the women have right now with these two out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Would that be accurate to you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the tag team division I feel like has taken a step backwards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know last year, a lot of the fans were very high on Brody King and Bandito.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They formed the team called Brodyto and they were together in the tag team division was just as hot as it was in Year 1 and Year 2 of A, W. Now FTR is the tag team champions and the division is coming on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The women, the women, I don't know where the direction is, they want to bring in tag team titles, they want to resuscitate the division, they want to give more opportunities and there are no opportunities to be had.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know they have tecla as their women's champion, Megan Bane is up in coming, but no matter how good you think these women are, and I'm talking to everybody in the chat and everybody that is a sicko, they're not on the level of a Tony storm or Mercedes money, and if you're in the business and you're not creating the next star to be the next Tony storm and then in the next Mercedes, what are we doing?
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's nobody there to take their place, so when Tony goes down, now you left when Mercedes and who else?
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's nobody there to level Mercedes to bring that division to where it absolutely needs to be.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I would do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would actually bring them all into a room, but you'd have to be a leader in order to do this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I would challenge them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'd listen, here's where we are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Here's where we've been for the last couple of years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't want to hear the bullshit that we're not trying to grow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm tight.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't start anything if you're not trying to grow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're trying to grow this show after week one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you're telling me you don't want to grow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I would say, listen,
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[SPEAKER_02]: at home in the mirror whatever you got to do work on your character because the wrestling matches at some point either aren't going to get over or he's going to have to pivot and that's where the characters should take a step forward.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're one thousand percent right and I hate saying that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're absolutely there's nobody after these two and it's no disrespect to any of them because it's not their fault topic number four.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Tom Brady and Logan Paul last week in Vegas, a flag football and Straviganza was moved from re-hots out of Arabia because of the issues in the Middle East to Los Angeles.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a disaster.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Tom Brady played quarterback Logan Paul tried to be as creative as he could be, and it feels like they were trying to do the Trash Talk JD to set something up for WrestleMania.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No deal reportedly is in place.
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[SPEAKER_02]: do you want to see Tom Brady or any other celebrity a part of Mania?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm good with jelly roll and we'll stop with jelly roll.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tom Brady, I feel like they're planning something, but they're not there yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's using the term fake, which I hate as a fan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hate hearing that when describing pro wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's using the term cute.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What they do is cute and all this other nonsense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then we got the flag football situation and Logan Paul going back and forth on social media with his comments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Last night on Raw was the only mention of Tom Brady up until this point with 25 days to go until Russell made it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They showed the clip of the flight football game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't even know where he would fit in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you bring Brady in, it's a great get because by default he's going to be the biggest name guy that you got there and I feel like it's just incredibly last minute.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Logan Paul's now involved with Austin Theory and the tag team title situation with the Usos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where do you fit Tom Brady into that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: is he a is a a fan in attendance sitting front row is he going to be out in the usows corner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know even where you would fit him into a point where it fits like, I get to natural thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like everything is just less minute.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you have a better take than I do on this, but I know WrestleMania is all about the celebrity and they want their celebrity friends out there and Tom Brady fits the bill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know where he fits incredibly because like I said the last time that we heard him mention was just last night and that was basically it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You have a JD, the one thing that Vince always hated when I worked for him for well over a decade, was celebrities.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He always used to say, our wrestlers are the celebrities.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So if you notice, no matter what the show is, whenever they show somebody, and since they've been with Netflix, Netflix will bring a pro bull rider or somebody from, you know, scare your things, whatever the show's are, and the fans usually crap all over them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: wrestling fans don't like celebrities for whatever reason so with that being said can you imagine if Tom Brady is in the stadium that he co-homes the team and he's in the front row and they show him and he gets booed
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[SPEAKER_02]: Think about that, Tom Brady getting booed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That could be a very real thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if he does that, he'll never want to work for them again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The whole connection for people who don't know is fanatics.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Fanatics is heavily invested now in WWE.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Tom Brady has an exclusive deal for his autographs with fanatics.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Logan Paul now is with fanatics.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's where it all comes together.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But JD nobody knows that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody knows that, wrestling fans don't care about that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I agree with you, jelly rolls invested.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's why people respect him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But if Tom Brady shows up, it's going to be cringe, it's going to be weird, and it's probably going to be hokey I would imagine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think those are the words the fans are going to use.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Am I right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to present a correct.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was, I was even thinking, just put him in the ring.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You made a good point, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't want that for him either.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Put him in the ring and have him announce the attendance for the building for two nights.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what else to do with him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's so funny you've been to that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 2008, my last Russell Mania.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Kim Kardashian was just becoming big.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I remember we paid her $25,000 JD to come out at, what's the Citrus Bowl in Orlando and announce the attendance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you know that she could not remember the number and had to write it on a card?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it sounded a little something like this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hello Orlando, I was,
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[SPEAKER_02]: New record 60 it was brutal now 25 large now it cost you a hundred grand for her large But that was the last time we had somebody announced the attendance at WrestleMania All right, we're roll.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the vibe.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is a show.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go topic number five and we knew Jayden He cuz we talked about it last week that you can't have a baby face baby face match at WrestleMania So something had to give in the Cody Randy Orton saga
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that gave in a big way last Friday as Randy Orton snapped and Matt Cardona was the victim.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you like where it looks like they're heading with Randy Orton?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love, I love where they're going with Randy Orton and I think this is the best version of Randy Orton.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is not even the problem of Randy Orton.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What I have a problem with here is the fact that and I know many people are probably going to tell me, well, what did you expect them to do with Matt Cardona?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to quote what Randy Orton coach said to Matt Cardona on SmackDown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He says you got the nerve to talk to me of all people like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't you have some action figures to go and play with?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You mark a stooge in the nerd.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Coach, Matt Cardona worth six years post WWE build up his superstar and get his name out there and get back to WWE to get back there and have
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some writer give this script to Ray and the Orton and have him called a mark as stooge in the nerd who plays with toys and acts of action figures.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what Mac Cardona wants out of his career bro, but I don't know if that's the way that he wants it to go in his second stint with WWE.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was more angry that they treated him the way that they did on Friday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: then the whole Randy Orton situation, like we expect Randy Orton to be this killer, this Viper, to go out and want blood and be a heal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the problem I took away from this was the blatant disrespect of Matt Cardona.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't find something else for this guy to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't respect the work that he put in for six years to get back to your company.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I hate WWE for this because they feel like, well, if you didn't make your star with us, then go fuck yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hate that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, they're treating him like some piece of shit out there and I, I, I, I called Matt Cardona matches on the indies and I've seen how hard how hard he's worked to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: just complete garbage in my opinion or how you feel about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's very hard when you're in the WWE and they do a great job of making you feel like that you should be happy just to be there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when they went out and got him in the story and, you know, triple ace going, you know, sometimes when you work hard and you believe in yourself, that's the story they should have told with Matt Cardona when he came back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It should have been the redemption story.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, but that would mean that people in the creative room would have to know that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Instead, they want to use these guys to feed in two stars that only have a couple of years left.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I feel exactly the same way that you do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I know that Matt Cardone was very, very excited about getting back on the same show with his wife and be able to travel around, and it's great for the family.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know what it is, but two of the most talented people in the company for whatever reason are treated like crap.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Chelsea is the same way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And to me, she's the number one female entertainment wise in the whole company.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I have the same takeaway that you did now as far as Randy Orton very quickly, I like that version of Randy Orton, I really, really do, I just wish you would have been somebody else, but when you approach him JD and your Mac Cardona, you think he's going to say no, he can't say no.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's stuck.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's just stuck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he can't say no, and if I actually fit in the storyline, I know we're talking about Mac Cardona and trying to back him up here because we feel like he should be respected a little bit more for the work that he's done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like with the whole Cody Rhodes narrative, Mac Cardona was there when he first got back there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He talked to Cody Rhodes about wanting to be a rich champion and he's friends with Cody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've worked together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Matt Cardone will follow the Cody Rose blueprint on the Indies to build his star to get back to WWE.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He directly used Cody's independent run as influence to get back to the place he wanted to base.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I know that there's synergy there in a correlation there, but I mean, I just hate the fact that WWE looks down on all the hard work that you did to get back there and then shit all over it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wouldn't it have been nice if based off what you just said that Cody kind of took him under his wing, like they became allies within the show?
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[SPEAKER_02]: That might have been kind of cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, man, I know where you're coming from.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when I came back here, things were a little bit off, but I was meant, I managed to do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let me help you do yours.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you could have built up a star.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Could have done that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They've decided not to do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's still not too late.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, we are halfway home.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the two count every single Tuesday 11 30 AM Eastern time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you to everybody for tuning in live here on A Tuesday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, topic number six, you see on the screen, jades, baddies, and the WWE now, all of a sudden, after months and months, JD of not using her at all, they've realized, oh, shit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We've got to get some interest in her match with Rhea Ripley and interest in her as the champion at all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you like how they're trying to do it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is as cold as anything they've done so far this WrestleMania season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it's very forced and I feel like and I know a lot of people are in defensive this while if you can't beat them join them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a very simple, pro wrestling, story-long,
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[SPEAKER_00]: unknowns and put them with Jake Cargill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The problem to me is they put Jake Cargill with me and him who's largely been a loser on television.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're told to not take her seriously because she goes out there and is basically tasked with losing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Be fed, same thing, tasked with losing and they've lost the Jake Cargill over and over again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've lost here and there to everybody else on the roster.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're used as a way to enhance other talent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now you want me all of a sudden to take them seriously because they're with Jake Cargill who I think
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[SPEAKER_00]: outside of how well she looks, doesn't take her seriously.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's built like a billion bucks and she can't wrestle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So in my opinion, I feel like putting these two with Jade Cargill is actually going to work against whatever they have planned and to me, it's only simply used to propel Rea Ripley so that Rea has a couple of people to beat on the way to Jade Cargill and Russell Mania.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, if you look at them on, then at raw situation, what they did last, nice Stephanie Vikaran, Liv Morgan, they added a nice flavor of intensity to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Liv Morgan and Stephanie legitimately beat the shit out of each other last night, and I thought that was the best presentation of what they're doing so far for the women's championships on both shows for WrestleMania.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This smash with Jaden Rhea is the coldest thing out of everything, women's wise, going into Mania, and I feel like it's incredibly forced, and no matter what they do with Jade,
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[SPEAKER_00]: you're never going to make her interesting until Bianca Belletta comes back and until she wins the championship and Jay could go goodbye and we can get that mega match of Bianca and Rhea eventually built up for maybe next year's WrestleMania.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Other than that coach, I have zero interest in what they're doing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They cannot JD get to WrestleMania fast enough.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You were very con.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You said she can't wrestle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, she can't talk either.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they're giving her a microphone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's hurting her character more than helping.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What I would have done a long time ago because when you're evaluating a talent and bringing them in at the financial level, they obviously brought her in at.
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[SPEAKER_02]: then you need to say she can talk or you should have had her audition for you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Cut me a promo for 45 seconds.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Show me that you can do things on the fly and if you can't, then go learn how to wrestle the performance center and we'll give you a manager.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Somebody has some mouthpiece for you because right now, the way they're positioning her when wrestle mania is over.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think her WWE top shelf career will be over.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, she's has a couple of years left on a contract.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure she's only been there for a short period of time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But JD, do you see without a title?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And with how many women they're already not using, that Jade somehow will still have a storyline after Mania when she loses the Rhea?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, with Bianca Bell are coming back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they have to get that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's something that WWE wants.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think Bianca wants and I think Jade wants it as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's what they've what they've wanted ever since Jade got there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they immediately teamed Jade with Bianca for the reasons of them eventually feuding.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that they will cycle back to that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if she loses the championship at Mania is a big hit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I don't think she's losing the championship at Mania, because they want that back with Bianca, when Bianca eventually comes back, I think they'll save the reimag.
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[SPEAKER_00]: for later down the line when Bianca eventually wins back the women's championship.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a long time since she's she's been there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absence makes the Hawke girl fall there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know they desperately need her back on Friday nights.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But to answer your question, no, if J loses that championship, she's already reached the peak coach after that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's only downhill from there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have a little insight information on Bianca and it does not sound like she's anywhere close to coming back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's some real serious issues with that finger that she's still trying to figure out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Alright, topic number seven.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this one screams.
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[SPEAKER_02]: of hypocrisy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, Tonga, who recently posted this video of a rehearsal or right prior to door's opening at a recent show and produced a man, if you could roll that video real quick, this is all it was.
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[SPEAKER_02]: As doors are getting ready to open, there's Solosicoa sitting there in his own thoughts, and that was it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And JD, he reportedly was fine, a high five figures, maybe even six figures.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But in the world of unreal, when they're telling you, when they just recently had a Gunther John Cena video that was released with them going over their last match, is it a little bit hypocritical that they would find Tonga that much money for this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I I really don't know what to make of this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking at this now as it's being replayed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing there that would signify a $100,000 fine unless they wanted to make an example out of them for whatever reason.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't imagine that time of time is not liked there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean you you you made the one point that I that I brought to the table on my own with it is on real I mean they want to open the doors and the floodgates for unreal to give you a glimpse into what they actually do They actually legitimately bring you in the riders room scripted or not So this looks innocent enough to a point where I mean I can't imagine it's a hundred thousand dollar fine The thing is and I and I and I want to bring this to your attention.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't I don't know if
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[SPEAKER_00]: they're trying to lay down the law in their own way, but Vince McMahon would have never allowed this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like as as Tom Atonga is doing this, I don't know if it was a direct order from management to find him because they feel like he's not respectful of the management team in place there and people feel like they can do whatever they want.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I know Vince McMahon would probably look down upon this and strike fear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's everybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't do this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is
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[SPEAKER_00]: give anybody a glimpse into what they do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What was Vince McMahon's mentality like when something like this would maybe happen back in the day?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm assuming he was totally against something like this, correct?
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[SPEAKER_02]: We were in Chicago one year, and Linda McMan and McFully were surprises, and he got out on the internet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he literally, it was a scariest, I've ever seen him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he literally looked at the entire room and said, if I find out that somebody in this room leaked this, because we had all the rundowns, everything in front of us, he goes, you do not want to be here the next time if I find that out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I will say this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If somebody would have posted this,
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[SPEAKER_02]: back in the day, they would have been fired immediately, but they're had to be a meeting for them to find him this, they're had to be a meeting telling people don't release this, because if there wasn't, then he probably was saying, I've seen this on Unreal, but
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[SPEAKER_02]: If Vince was there today, he would hate this, but he also would not have green lit the show on real ever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So those two things kind of go hand in hand, but a hundred thousand dollar fine when you can't see anybody.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can't make out anybody here, JD.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's nobody, you're not giving away anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I was sitting there and quiet just by himself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I think they want to control the narrative coach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's what really boils down to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They want you to see what they want you to see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anything else from another person's perspective, they don't want.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They only want you to see what they want you to see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I think he was fine though, under $1,000.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 1,000 percent, 1,000 percent, and speaking of seeing, Jay, do you know somebody that we haven't seen for almost a month on Monday night Raw, the career killer, the guy that I got crushed on social media for saying, hey, why couldn't John Cena have won, but if you're going to use Gunther as a career killer, then I'm all for it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: than AJ Styles, and then that program with Dragon Lee that nobody knew existed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So now apparently their plan A went down the tubes, but if you've got a guy JD like this, who you've positioned to be one of your top guys, to not be a part of the road to WrestleMania, what do you make of it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what really bothers me about this situation is is the fact that just to go back on what you said about Johnson and maybe he should have won.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they can't really see if Rey Mysterio was going to get hurt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Rey Mysterio got hurt around the time of the Royal Rumble.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they didn't really know Rey was going to have a rib issue going into WrestleMania.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But regardless,
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[SPEAKER_00]: The open challenge up Rock Lesnar issued to anybody on the Monday Night Roll roster, instead of giving that to Lesnar, where you automatically knew that Lesnar and all Bethemi was going to be the direction for us many, but you did the open challenge, nonsense, anyway, only to have Oba answer it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: six weeks before WrestleMania anyway, and give us the match that everybody wanted, why didn't you save that for Gunther?
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[SPEAKER_00]: If Gunther comes out now and does an open challenge, we already heard Brock Lesnar say it, because that's the only direction now that I see that Gunther has for WrestleMania.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Gunther should have been the one to issue an open challenge being that he's the career killer and nobody wants to step up to him and he's this feared competitor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So now you have a situation where nobody knows exactly what his WrestleMania plans are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was supposed to be Rey Mysterio.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now I said on my Monday night, Rob Poscio last night, maybe it's Penta because Dragon Lee, who he unmasked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the last time we saw him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Penta and Dragon Lee have become buddy buddy over the recent weeks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he goes after the IC title.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm questioning, what is going to need the IC title?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why does he need to be penta?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Any match that you put him in, he's going to have to win and you don't want him to win the IC title again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's already held for six hundred to sixty-six days.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing more he can do with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we talked about this in my friend Jason Solomon, the Solomon Monster brought up a great idea about an open shell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Ellie's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I've on SmackDown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Went against Carmelo Hayes on Friday night for the United States Championship in an open challenge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was going to be the WrestleMania match cause of the story they were building with Dragonoff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dragonoff is doing this story where he needs to find himself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not confident.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't know who he is right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't want to accept Carmelo's open challenge and to realize and came to the realization of he's only a Dragonoff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's the Mad Dragon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So now he lost.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, how do you go find yourself?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You send them to Monday not raw by some way, and you have him challenge the most feared competitor on the roster, and that is Goenther, and you give Goenther a dragon of the platform of WrestleMania, and you let them go for 20, 25 minutes, and just tear the house down, because that is a great WrestleMania match.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that's the direction or not, but I feel like they need to do something quick, because after retiring John Cena, they've dropped the ball big time, and I think that's the only way to go about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You said something that was a right-on point and you said he has to win.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They positioned him and Cody Rhodes to never lose.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's a problem.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is Pro Wrestling JD.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is not you have to win every single time or the fans are going to believe one way or the others.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's got to be the layers to the character.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So now if they bring him back to your point, every fan says whoever they put him against, he is going to beat because he's ever lost.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He hasn't been pinned in whatever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's an issue right now, whatever plan B is, I don't mind that, but give him something because right now, the narrative is, if we forget about it, we forget about it, we forget about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There, attention to detail right now, I think because they're dealing with so much that they forget about everything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And how do you forget about one of your top five superstars on the road to WrestleMania?
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think you bring up a lot of really, really good points.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, speaking of WrestleMania JD, this one, this one's a fun one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because we've seen all of the ridiculous pricing for all these different things, but this one takes the cake because if you want to write around in a tour bus,
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, sorry, not a tour bus, just a regular bus.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can get it with Cody Rhodes for a cool $9,995 per person on WrestleMania.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it says two or three landmarks in Las Vegas.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would say if it's his bus, maybe I'd be interested at a price, but JD $10,000, 12 people, this could be 120 grand if you want to take 11 friends.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What are we doing?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have absolutely no words for this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I legit it when I when I read this, I thought this was a tour of the American nightmare bus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Almost $10,000 for Cody Rhodes to be your personal chauffeur to two landmarks in Las Vegas.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bro, I'm going to go rent a car.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to take myself to two landmarks in Las Vegas.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What are they, what are they doing?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Glimpsense or production fan zones restricted areas as Cody shares his experiences and inspirations What's the fucking podcast they'll listen to him say this you got to pay $10,000 for him to tell this to you in person See letting you sleep on the tour bus with him and his family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're gonna cookie dinner with that
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the I mean there's there's a lot of in that blow your mind this one especially for a guy who's probably the most Accessible super star that they have if you ask him to go to podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He'll say yes You could find him at the back of in arena, but this is absolutely insane And I feel like JD they've gotten to a point where they're like well if we can't sell tickets tickets sales
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[SPEAKER_02]: That hasn't been a topic for probably two or three weeks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a visible compared to last year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think we're still under 80,000 and they've got 50,000 tickets like something like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I feel like they're trying to make up their money somewhere else.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Instead of saying, you know what, maybe we've reached start limit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe we've gone too far.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe we need to flip the switch and actually listen to people like you and I who understand the wrestling business.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because JD, TKO and their executives, clearly do not triple H is not talking to them because every decision they make like this one is the wrong one and there's no defending it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is there's no defending this at all?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, also, each guest will receive a limited edition commemorative item along with a chance for a brief one-on-one interaction and photo with Cody Rhodes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm assuming that the people who are going to try to make their money back on this will sell the limited edition commemorative item on eBay and recoup some of that $10,000 that it costs to sit down with Cody Rhodes as he is your personal chauffeur for an hour or two in Las Vegas.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's ridiculous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a London tour, there you go, it's exactly what Cody's going to be doing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to Las Vegas on a London tour bus.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That would actually be like something they would actually post.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you see this to the charge of 550 dollars per person to sit live on Cody's podcast as the interviews live Morgan?
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[SPEAKER_00]: 550 dollars per ticket to sit on a live taping of Cody's, what do you want to talk about?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Are you insane to sit in the room?
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[SPEAKER_02]: The crazy part is that they'll probably sell that one out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's normal enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I went last Saturday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I went to Gabriel Eglacius and Joe Coi.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They sold out so far stadium.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Biggest comedy show ever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you know what the most expensive ticket was, JD for that event?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was in the 10th row front center, less than $500.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was the most expensive ticket, less than $500.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because they wanted everybody to be in the building, feel good about it, be in a good headspace, and not think about the one kid they had to sell in order to be able to go and take the rest of the family.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was incredible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody in a good mood.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is insanity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what the second thing is, coach, they'll sell this tour bus out for $10,000 a pop and fill that tour bus with $20, 30, 40 people, they don't care, they know they're going to sell it out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are marks out there that will spend willingly to be there with courier roads.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't care.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and then complain when you're on it, because how much you spend, and then you know on social media, shady, what's going to happen?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to have that one or two people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, Cody didn't even stay longer than five seconds.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be quick picture picture picture picture gone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully knowing, knowing Cody, he'll make it as, as worth it as he can.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I think he's a good dude.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I really do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I really do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now speaking of dudes,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Topic number 10.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It has been a long couple of weeks for AEW Superstar Ricochet, and I had a conversation with one person who's in the note, and reportedly, and you're my AEW guy, JD, so I always handed it to you, he was trying to do this in character, like MJF does.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It has backfired in enormous ways
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[SPEAKER_02]: brought it down after a couple of days, and for people who don't know, basically, he told somebody with MS, which is a horrible disease that he was glad that they got MS.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I will hand it over to you for two questions.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why didn't Tony Con say anything from the company?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And where does Rick and Shay go from here?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I have a couple of friends that have significant others that have MS.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know exactly what they have detailed to me and have expressed to me about how difficult it is to live with somebody that is dealing with this life altering illness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: MJF is never going to go on social media and tell somebody that he's glad that they have MS Ricochet is not MJF.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the comparisons or the desire to be like MJF need to stop there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's only one MJF.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You are not him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why he thought that sending that tweet was going to Garner good heel heat for him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not involved in any storyline.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not a part of anything with anybody on television where this character is portrayed on television.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He plays this character on social media and it's not good for business.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a direct representation of AEW and Tony Khan and Tony Khan and AEW allow this because Tony Khan is on the message boards and he's got burners and he's got meltdown is here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is exactly the behavior that Tony Khan does when he goes out there and he interacts with people on a burner account or on the message boards or on the observer message board.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What have you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought this was a deplorable situation for Ricochet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now listen, we've all said things out of character, we've all said things that we regret.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've said many things on social media that I wish I could take back, but I can't, it's said.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Ricochet, the problem with this is coach, the IWC has transformed this story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The dirt sheet, I should say, have transformed this story into three different scenarios.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We had one story saying that Ricochet took to tweet down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then the second store that came out said that Ricochet had a friend who told him to take the tweet down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then we find that that Chris here, all the former cashiest owner in WWE, who works as a producer in a WWE, like anybody in the list of the fuck that is over there, and that he worked there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He told him to take the tweet down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, my question is, why do we have to have the story change three different times?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why didn't Ricochet acknowledge the tweet?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Take the tweet down because he realized it was a bad thing to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He left the tweet up, he doubled down on it, he called people bitches, he called people pussy, he called these, all these derogatory things on social media, and he was retweeting fans who were defending his promo ability.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As if these people have any merit in what he's got to say on social media.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where is the company to step in and say, hey man, this is bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is not good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a bad look.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have to go through cashesano.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where's Tony Khan?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where's AEW?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where is Samantha his wife?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He had cashesano of all people telling him to take the tweet down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Meanwhile, it should have been Tony Khan and Tony Khan alone, who told him to take the tweet down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The most damaging thing coach is that AEW said nothing in regards to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and they shill it off to cash is so no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what the dirt sheets run.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How the fuck do they know what cash is so no I said to Ricochet and said tweet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did owner reach out to the dirt sheets and say, hey guys, this is what I tweeted Ricochet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did Ricochet go out and say, hey man, cash is so no I said this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is what he said to me via the tweet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bro, this, this was mind boggling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How many stories came out about this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, times have changed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One word.
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[SPEAKER_02]: embarrassing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And by the way, the last two minutes has been awesome listening to you with this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Clearly when it becomes personal, it becomes even more passionate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when you have people in your lives like you do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And but when you're just a good human being, I don't give it damn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you really watch what MJF does and you want to be like him,
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can see everything he does is strategic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's strategic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so for me, I put a lot of this on Rikashai.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I absolutely do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I also put a lot of it on Tony Khan.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when you're a leader and you're a leader of men and women, and you want to be a company that people want to invest in, that you want all these big streaming services to pay you hundreds of millions of dollars, social media, and now JD matters.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It absolutely matters.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So all the people you said, his wife, Tony Khan, leadership, executives, where are they?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And where is Rick and Shay's video that says, you know what?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he might even have to step away for a second.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because right now, he's going to get boot out of every building, but not because of him being a really good heal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's not because he's not very good on the mic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's because of this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when this overshadows what you really do as a talent, that's a problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: he actually said a little bit ago that WWE killed his legacy he feels like WWE tarnished his legacy in my opinion Ricochet just killed his own legacy by doing this and doubling down on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have within good faith and this is what I'm going to tell everybody here in the chat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A.W.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Legal reached out to Ricochet on behalf of Tony Khan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's all them to take the tweet down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything else that you're right on social media via the dirt sheets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: None of it ever happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is in their guidelines.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Their company guidelines to not interact with fans and parade fans on social media in the matter that Ricochet did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So A.W.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Legal stepped in and they told them to take the tweet down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all you need to know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you're never going to hear that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's going to be soft-spended by Tony Khan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what the dirt sheets are going to run with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we already documented, Tony loves to be buddy buddy with everybody in the locker room.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He wants everybody to be your friend.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can't be a friend.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is why Vince McMahon never allowed other than Triple H, never allowed the boys to be in the meetings with us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The day that Triple H walked in in a suit and tied, you would have thought hell had frozen over.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're like, who is this?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can't be friends, but when you start a company,
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[SPEAKER_02]: with the boys, Jericho, young bucks, a big all those guys, then you're going to be friends.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he wants to be liked because he's like a tenth grader who has never had any friends, but has a ton of money, which leads us into our bonus topic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We call it the kickoff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we have video to support.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yesterday, JD was a 25 year anniversary of WCW being bought by Vince McMahon in WWE.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was there that night, live, I experienced it all and it's hard to believe that it's been 25 years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But they also surpassed in episodes because you got to combine dynamite and collision for most episodes on TBS.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So JD, for your viewing pleasure, here is Tony Con, live, thanking the audience and watch the whole thing all the way to pounding that chest, roll to ape.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Another great night tomorrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is due another 289 together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna go, we're gonna go, we're gonna go, we're gonna go, we're gonna go, we're gonna go, we're gonna go, we're gonna go, we're gonna go, we're gonna go, we're gonna go, we're gonna go, we're gonna go, we're gonna go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, Rick, you know what?
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[SPEAKER_02]: We rack that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We rack a one more time producer, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want everybody to see the chess pounds, and I'm pretty sure he gave himself a couple of bruises.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One more time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One more time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you do another two hundred 89 to God?
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[SPEAKER_01]: God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, God.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But all he hears there, J.D., his deep hands, his thick nose, that's not a creamy AEW AEW.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He can't possibly think that this is what a big time leader does in a wrestling organization, the floor's yourcer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I will say something positive about Tony Khan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like his attitude is one that loves pro wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He loves pro wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He loves being in the business.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He loves AEW.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I will give him that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a very genuine, if you love pro wrestling, you're going to look at Tony Khan and say, man, I admire that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He loves what he does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll say that, and that's as far as I'll go with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Coach, there was a report that went out that Tony Khan tried to buy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: WWE when it was up for sale back in 2023 and apparently the number was 6.9 billion he got investors together and he put in a bit at 6.9 billion
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I don't know how people look at that when the narrative usually is, well, WWE wants to go back to having everything be a monopoly and they want to own everything and everything that WWE does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They want to swallow up everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Meanwhile, Tony Khan wasn't happy with his own little toy chest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He wanted to own the whole toy store.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's all right if Tony, it would have been all right to everybody if Tony bought WWE, which would never ever happen to thousand lifetimes, but I just find it to be humorous how people look at that and say, well, there's nothing wrong with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He put it in a bid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, Tony Khan never had a shot in the dark.
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[SPEAKER_00]: of owning WWE and Vince McMahon and I call this right down the middle and I call this every step of the way Vince would never sell to Tony Connor and they want to let Tony Connor being direct competition to WWE Vince sold to who he sold to because it was going to ultimately keep Vince in power.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's basically what it boiled down to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He had no other interest in selling to anybody else, Liberty, Media, Comcast, whoever else showed up and said, hey man, I want to offer you this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Vince went with Mark Shapiro and Ari Manuel and formed TKO and went to win Debra because it was going to keep him in power and it was going to be the fourth most powerful man in that entire company and still run WWE in the day to day operations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was never going to allow that to happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So,
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[SPEAKER_00]: At the end of the day, Tony Khan feels like he is, oh, man, we've eclipsed Nitro and Thunder and all these other WCW shows, Tony Khan could sit there and be as delusional as he wants.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's never going to be as influential, as WCW or Eric Bischoff or anything that came out of that era of pro wrestling, he is never in a thousand lifetimes ever going to be as influential as he thinks he is compared to WCW and Eric Bischoff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, he says forever and forever, the way that I look at it is, I think AEW's future is very, very, very, very hazy because if the merger goes through with Paramount, I don't know where he thinks he's going to end up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: WWE has closed off every fence that Tony Compossibly could land with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now you look at the landscape, where's he going?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not going to bring AEW back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not going to bring AEW to their network, being that they work with TKO and WWE.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to be upshits Greek.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They only place that Dynamite Mayland is YouTube.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the realization of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what people are expecting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You think AEW Dynamite's going to land with a WWE own partner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to be out of your fucking mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's in this goes back to what we hit on a minute many many many many times is he's got to have people sitting him down and listening to them this this ricks It screams of a rich son who got given a lot of money to do whatever he wants to do
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[SPEAKER_02]: and the difference between Vince and him is that Vince built it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, was Vince hard to work with at times?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I will admit that he was.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Did he think he was always right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, he did, but the one thing he did do, J.D.
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[SPEAKER_02]: was listen to us at certain times and he would make the pivots and the adjustments.
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[SPEAKER_02]: this because he wants everybody to like him and he wants the boys and the girls to like him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He comes out and he does this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He has to change his persona.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's got to change what people think about him, but what he projects.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And these 20 minute videos, telling everybody a great talent and we have an exciting show for you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think if you did a drinking game on how many times he uses
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[SPEAKER_02]: that he does the same thing over and over and over and over and this right here, I would take this video if I was one of his advisors, whoever they are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I would sit him down and say, Tony, this has got to be aligned in the sand.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This right here can never, ever, ever happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It can't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is embarrassing to you and to the company.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's point blank what it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know I I understand that he needs to project a little bit of optimism and it needs to keep the good faith and the locker room and it doesn't want to be all doom and gloom because he doesn't know what is going to come out of this power amount Warner Brothers merger so he's got to say all the right things he's never going to give a clear answer to the dirt sheets or the media.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But
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[SPEAKER_00]: the realization at the end of the day is it is very murky and dynamite and collision are not in a good way right now because like I said paramount works with UFC UFC's own buy endeavor TKO brother all in the same family they're under the same umbrella they're not going to bring in direct competition to WWE to help harm one of their entities in WWE this is not good for Tony Conso he can go out there and be positive he needs to start coming to the realization
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[SPEAKER_02]: 1,000 percent and one last thing that I'll say and then we'll get to all of these super stickers is that if he wants to sell to people outside, he can't be having death matches every Wednesday night with blood everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You got to pivot a little bit just a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, great show today, a lot of opinions today, but as many of you know, we like to be interactive and we like to answer as many of the super stickers as possible so we've got a viewer finally because I felt like it was all your people finally one of my people JD smart as Mark alive he started his own podcast
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[SPEAKER_02]: because of our show coaching bro and he already has over 10,000 subs at his YouTube page an incredible start for this guy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: An $80 super sticker incredible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's 2am and Adelaide and I set my alarm to support two of my biggest inspirations to start my channel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You always support me coach.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So here's a thank you to your new venture.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One day I'll be up there with you both.
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[SPEAKER_02]: God bless you both and thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's, that's, that's honestly why we do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We love it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We started this because we, we both know what we bring, but it's because of people like you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: KK says I would just listen and bust it open.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would love to hear JD and La Grecca do a segment together.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think their personalities would work well together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the ultimate call.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody knows it one of these days is going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Keep my things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love that you don't hide it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think we're at a point now because a lot of things that I want to do, I'm like, let's just put it out there because everything is changed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's no longer just about the networks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You've got to put it out there to make people believe it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think you'd be phenomenal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Johnny Layman 275 career.
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[SPEAKER_02]: okay crying there thank you uh... why we have a lot today uh... jade coast let's go to count yet thank you uh... but but but but i think that's all of them uh... uh... oh cornell watch one of the mortgage marks stockers purchase a podcast it's all that would be terrible that be terrible if that got to watch out for that that would be usually good that though if anything happens there there will be right on that
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[SPEAKER_00]: 1000%.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, as of right now, we're here every single Tuesday live at 11.30 a.m. Eastern time real quick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Tell the good people out there, JD, where they can see all of your stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Guys, you can find me on YouTube at JD from NY206.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can also follow me on social media, Twitter, Instagram, also on TikTok, I'm also on cameo at JD from NY206.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys can find me tonight live with the Salomonster for Tuesday night titans episode 140.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We will break down the news on Tuesday night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every Tuesday, 830, so you can find me there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I usually am live after raw dynamite SmackDown and all PLEs and paper views.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you guys know what to find me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just waiting for my invite to just one of your mini hit shows.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's all I'm waiting on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's all I'm waiting on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's going to do it for today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We tell you we're trying to get you in and out as quickly as we can.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And hopefully you make you a little bit of a smarter wrestling fan.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you enjoy the product just a little bit more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's going to do for us for Mikey P and Producer Man behind the scenes for my partner JD.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I and the coach will see you next Tuesday right here on the two count.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Have a great week.