Mission Evolution with Gwilda Wiyaka - DR. ANNELOES SMITSMAN - Can Games Empower Future Leaders?

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Many of us are concerned about the future sustainability of
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the human race. If the children are our future, what
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are the untold hours the younger generations spend on gaming
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and the impact on their consciousness and well being. What
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if there were games that empower our young rather than
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distract them with violence. Evolution Radio TV show is coming
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to you around the world on the x On Broadcast
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network exben dot net with this CIS hour to explore
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systemic transformation, sustainable development and revolutionary gaming. Is Doctor Anna
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Louise Smithsman, Doctor Smithsman is an award winning futurist, systems scientist, entrepreneur,
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and best selling author. She's a founder and CEO of
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Earthwise Center and Earthwise Ventures. Doctor Smithsman holds a PhD
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from the Sustainability Institute at the School of Business and Economics,
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Mastric University, her website Earthwise Global, excuse me earthwise dot
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Global and louse. Thank you so much for joining us
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on Mission Evolution.
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Thank you so much for having me over again. It's
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wonderful to be back for you.
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Yeah, it's been a while and I certainly enjoy our conversations.
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So let's start out with what is systemic transformation?
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Yes, or many people know the word, of course transformation
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that we think about a change process that is also
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irreversible in many ways, it brings new opportunities. When we
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put on systemic transformation, it means it's not just the
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transformation of self, but it's also the transformation of the
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deeper systems underlying reality, the deeper systems also that are
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sometimes governing our societies. So systemic transformation, you could think
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about it is kind of the deeper societal transformations as
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well as the deeper transformations that bring up profound changes.
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Well, it seems like we need to have personal transformation
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and the systemic transformation to last lasting change. So, as
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an advocate and pioneer us systemic transformation, what are some
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of the key issues affecting our peaceful future?
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Well, that we are driving our societies through systems that
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are sustainable by design. So a lot of the systems
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of our economies, our political systems, and societal systems, they
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are run by goals and reward systems and incentives that,
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rather than uniting people are creating division and competition and
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are also extractive, which means that they're using up a
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lot of resources from the planet and not giving back
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in such a way that the planet can regenerate as
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a result of those human activities.
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How long have we been dealing with this sort of systems.
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Well, the ironies we are actually those systems, right, I mean,
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the problem is our human conception of life. So you
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can see that humans have been driving these kind of
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systemic societal development not just for hundreds of years, but
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I would argue even for thousands of years. And it's
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just that with the technological development over the last few
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hundred years, this is becoming really pronounced. So now we
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are seeing the effects. But this way of thinking of
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trying to take something else in order to make something happen,
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not give back to the value that you're extracting, and
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that mentality is not new to humanity, and we've been
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doing this for a very long time.
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I would argue that a lot of the native cultures
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throughout the world are very sustainable, or were very sustainable.
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They believed in balancing unconditional love of self with unconditional
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love of other.
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They revered the earth. When did when did? When did?
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When do we lose all that?
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Yeah? Exactly, And you can see in many indigenous cultures,
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and there's a very different understanding also of relationship and
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our relationship as humans within the kind of larger web
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of life. So you can see that these practices that
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I'm mentioning here, we call them also a mechanistic growth
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models that became very pronounced during the Industrial Revolution in particular,
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And this is where you can see that rather than
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having the smallest skilled development of indigenous communities, humanity was
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really going for colonization, large extraction, massive expansion, and therefore,
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you know, a very different driver behind all of that
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than indigenous communities traditionally.
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So how much do you think our exploding population or
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exploded population has to do with this coming into being
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very problematic?
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You mean, whether they're becoming aware of that or no,
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just it.
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Be having more and more problematic because there's more and
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more of us perpetrating.
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Oh yes, that's what I said. It's absolutely unsustainable these models.
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So we've already hit the limits of growth quite a
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while ago. And if you're looking at the climate crisis
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as a result of that, if we are looking at
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the planetary Boundaries framework, which is a framework, a scientific
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framework in order to determine what are safe boundaries for
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human activities over long periods of time, and you see
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the nine critical planetary boundaries that need to be honored
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in order for humans to be able to live well
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on our planet and also the children after us, and
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then six of those critical boundaries have been crossed as
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a result of human activity. And that is really put
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in to light. You know how deep the sustainability crisis is.
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That is at a moment unfolding, of which the climate
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crisis is one aspect. But the climate crisis is not
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the only one. There's a biodiversity crisis, you know, it
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is a major crisis also in the state of health
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of our oceans. So yeah, the humans need to wake
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up and learn to live in a different way with
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each other and with our planet.
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The problem is so deeply ingrained. I mean right down
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to the cellular level at this point, isn't it within
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the populace?
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Yes, and of course the you know, the the problem
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is that we fall asleep in model that makes us
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in many ways also lasier. And we all love, of
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course a good life, and we love technology as well,
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but we need to be able to use technology to
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help us solve the complex challenges of today, and not
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use technology only to get better at extracting more from
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our planet and not addressing the crisis some of indeed
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of also the pollution like Bess pollution that's coming down
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to the cellular level. I mean, were finding remnants of
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that at the cellular level that it should not be there.
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So we are affecting life on planet Earth in rather
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dramatic ways. But I do believe that human potential and
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human creativity and intelligence is capable of living in a
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very different way and growing our societies in a way
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that can be sustainable if we apply also the wisdom,
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for example, of living systems and the way that nature
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evolves and also grows in all of its complexity and
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its beauty and by diversity.
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So are you advocating instead of going back to the
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old ways, And there's way too many of us to
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do that at this point, that we use this very
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technology we've developed to develop new ways.
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Yes, that's exactly what I'm advocating. I think it's really
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important to be very innovative, and I don't think the
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solution is just is about going back. Of course, it
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would be wise to do better with less. We are
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over consuming and overproducing as well, there's a lot of waste.
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But I really believe that we can use technology differently,
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and especially if we're if we're looking as nature itself
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as a technology as well, better understand also the kind
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of biotechnology aspects of nature, how does it renew, how
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does it regenerate, and that we can apply it very differently.
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We don't have to apply it through very extractive mechanisms.
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But it also requires a different understanding about the universe
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in which we live. So a lot of these very
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extractive mechanistic technology just came from that industrial age based
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on a very classical kind of Newtonian conception of the universe,
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the belief that we live in a universe of immutable
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laws with separate parts and particles. And what we can see,
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especially in the latest in quantum sciences, is that we
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actually don't live in that kind of universe, the universe
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itself is a living system and is unified informationally. At
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deeper orders of reality, we start to reconceptualize technology also
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from that quantum perspective, we may actually then see significant
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breakthroughs that can help us solve these very complex challenges.
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I remember one time someone told me about the stray
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dog syndrome, and that's when a straight raw dog ran
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across the interstate in California. It ran across and it
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didn't get hit, but the ramifications were felt in traffic
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jams way back back yonder.
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Isn't that the way we are?
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We've ignored the fact that we are all connected and
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we can't make a single action, even have a single
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thought without an impacting the whole.
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Yes, I very much agree with what you're saying here,
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and people have also in the way that we've been living,
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we've removed ourselves so far from also the effects that
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we are creating. I mean, look alone, if we're going
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to the supermarket, very easy to get foods on the table, right,
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but we're not seeing what was necessary to bring that
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food to the supermarket and then to your table. So
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a lot of people do not understand anymore, what are
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the impacts that we are causing? Uh? And they may believe, well,
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what does little me and my life really mean in
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the bigger scheme of things. But when it accumulates over
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time and through all those billions of people that we
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are now on on the planet, then of course these
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impacts they compound and then you get these cumulative effects.
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So in other words, we have to treated it the
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straight out point rather than down the road.
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Yes, exactly, and perhaps rather than the question that is,
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where do we have a straight doc? So take care
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of your dog so that it doesn't become a straight
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doc exactly.
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Take care of yourself so you don't become stract.
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Well, it is time that we're just about out of
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time in this segment. Analyus and I will return very shortly.
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You don't want to go away. This is Mission.
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What is our future human potential? We have one with
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us this hour discussing our potential and what is blocking
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it is doctor Annelous Smithsman her website earthwise dot Global.
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So analyus, that's that's the question. Is you speak of
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future potentials and the new cosmology that is emerging about
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a unified universe. Let's go into that little bit.
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Yes exactly, well, yes, the first question, do we have
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huge potential? Yes, we do all about So what that
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statement really is about is to saying that the future,
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already in a seat form, yeah, is within us. And
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that's really important to realize because for a lot of people,
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they when they hear the word future, they think about
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the era of time, so they think future is tomorrow.
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It's that which has not yet happened. But if you
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realize that the universe is in every evolving system and
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therefore the future in its potentiality already exists within us now,
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then it's a very different way of standing in the
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world and also relating with ourselves and relating with time,
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because then also that future of life is already within
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us now and we can connect with that and you
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may actually experience that in the way that you feel
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your motivation or your inspiration, or your deeper drive or
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the questions that you're asking. So if you realize that
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the deepest searching, this quest of your life, this motivation
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to keep going on, it's like this amazing little future
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that's knocking on your door, and it's already there within
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you seeking to emerge. This can actually give a lot
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of that action and also strength, especially in times that
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are challenging.
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So that's interesting. I'm trying to follow how the future
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is already within us, but I think I'm hearing you
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say that it lies in the things that drive us,
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It lies in the things that intrigues. It lives in
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our imagination, and if we engage that, then we created.
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Is that what you means? Yes, because it is an attractor.
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So it's an attract that calls us forward to continue learning,
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to grow, to develop. You can also say there for
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future is not a state, it's not an outcome, but
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future is a developmental process that is seeking us to
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engage with life as this incredible potentiality for us to
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become more conscious, to become better humans as well. So yes,
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very much. So it's not something static. It's a living
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process that that engages us, but that we can engage.
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And the more you live with that in this relational way,
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the more opens up, the more creativity starts to flow,
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the more ideas start to come, more synchronicities open up,
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amazing conversations open up us sitting here together now, Yes.
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Well, what about people that are deeply immersed in the
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get more syndrome?
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Okay?
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And their imagination runs to how can I beat the
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other guy out? How can I create a bigger company?
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How can I make more money? Because there's a lot
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of people immersed in that. Still, does that operate in
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the same way, and if so, how do we derail
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that so that we can find something more sustainable.
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happiness and the joy and the developmental process they're experiencing
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because they want to have more, So they are projecting
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that that actually that staying its flow to if I
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have the next house, if I have the next carve,
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I have the next career. But once they start to
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recognize that that that that excitement and the joy of
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the expansion doesn't need to be materialistically, it can also
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be in other ways. That might be actually the beginning
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of recognizing that hold on what maybe what really what
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I'm actually enjoying is is this challenge I love to
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develop myself, to explore myself further, to seek new horizons.
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way that's always materialistically driven about wanting to look more
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and more. So then of course a deeper driver of
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it now is it now lack or is it now
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the ambition of I want to compete? Is that what's driving?
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that is calling you forth to dream more, to explore more,
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to dive more deeply into your potential. So I believe
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that when it's coming from lack, and when it's coming
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just only from this drive to compete, or from fear
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or the fear of otherwise I won't fit in, that
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may not necessarily be your future potential that is calling
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you forth, and that these are the different drivers. But
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it's your feeling.
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Yes, So you're coming from fear in a very static
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place of hanging on to what you have and make
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more versus the freedom of engaging in possibility.
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That's it exactly. But so when your future is calling
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you forth, it's your future potential that's activating. Then when
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you find you suddenly have the courage also plus the
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motivation to start to transform, to let go of some
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old beliefs, to explore new horizons, to look at other
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ways of how can I live? How can I be myself,
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you know, how can I develop myself further? Which is
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a very different motivation.
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So we have to I would assume, listen within to
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find that in the first place. And yet most of
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us are totally distracted by media. Okay, how how damaging
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is that?
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don't listen to the deeper voice within yourself and you're
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always being distracted, so you become more contracted, you become
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more fearful, you feel you know, not in touch with yourself. Then, yes,
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that that becomes very damaging over time. And this is
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why you find often people they sink into depression or
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they you know, they feel cut off from life, they
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feel a sense of loss of meaning, a loss of self.
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But the signals are there every step of the way.
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Every day, every second is an opportunity to connect back in.
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Yes, So if we have.
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A lot of media, a lot of advertising, games, et cetera,
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et cetera, et cetera, are those impacting us and our
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perspectives more than we recognize?
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lot of younger generations that are they're soaking it up.
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Many of them don't have to have a filter or
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a sense of self, and that becomes the new reality,
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and it also becomes the new benchmark. So we believe
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in order to fit in, I need to be in
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that virtual world and need to act be like that
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actor or actress. And yeah, and that can be very
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damaging also for that sense of identity and the sense
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of the world. Whether the world feels for them like
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a safe place, a place where they can blossom and
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share the talence, or whether they feel constantly that it's
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always out of reach so they will never be able
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to get successful in the way society is projecting that
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through a lot of this media.
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So how can the new cosmology of a unified universe
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impact all of this?
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Yes, but that starts with the journey within that. First
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of all, of course, to recognize we are part of
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this vast and amazing universe that is seeking us to evolve.
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It's not a punishing universe. It's not a universe of separation,
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but it's a universe of profound and action into dependence.
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So if you start with that as your base point,
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and already you have a different relationship with yourself, with totality,
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with life around you, with understanding that you have access
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to consciousness that has been evolving for billions of years
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that can lend you its creativity and its innovation. That
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human potential is not separate from the intelligence and the
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potential of the universe. So if you're starting to extend
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your own potential and your fields of possibility with the
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greater fields of possibility of life in the universe, you know,
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suddenly your possibilities expound phenomenally, but also your sense of
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relationship and feeling safe and at home and feeling a
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sense of belonging and connection.
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There was a quote from the original movie The Ten Commandments,
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and that's Moses said, you cannot break the law. You
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can only break yourself against the law. Is that what
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we're doing is breaking ourselves against the laws of nature
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at this point?
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those laws, they are not as immutable. A lot of
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the laws in nature are relational laws, and so what
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is happening is what we're breaking ourselves against is going
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contrary to that deeper into dependence by making ourselves separate,
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but then creating consequences that affect us. All right, So
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we are already there in this in this tension.
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Right, not not not moving with the way life works,
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but trying to move against it.
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We know who's going to lose on that little equation.
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Exactly, exactly, back to that straight dog, right exactly.
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So what does it mean to you to walk the
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path of our future human potential? We talked about it
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a little bit, but let's let's go into that a
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little more.
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Yeah, to me, that that really means having the courage
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truly to live, to live more fully, to start to
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explore and to discover who you really are, and to
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also have a very active intention to contribute to this
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world that we are part of. To see that this
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world requires us to develop our future human potential so
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that it can evolve. It means living into the deeper
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questions together. Also means trusting in yourself and in the
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deeper purpose of your life and looking ways for which
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you can add a little bit of joy and laughter
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and h and value to life and to other people
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and to the world. And Yeah, that's really what it
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means to me.
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It seems like life itself is evolving and putting a
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lot of pressure on those systems and those people that
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are not is issue perception as.
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barriers and the boundaries. So indeed, I because a lot
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of those systems that are unsustainable by design and ways
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of living that we are now being confronted with. You
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can only stry start out so far as so, you know,
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we are putting our own societies in systems a breaking
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point because of the way that we design it. But
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we can design different systems.
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But are people becoming at the breaking point where they're
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unwilling to move with the times?
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So are and some are very smart, not in a
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good way, but in sheltering themselves from those effects. I
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get very concerned when sometimes I hear the very rich
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speak about, oh, well, we have our bunker and we
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will live it out and we will survive this time.
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They don't care about, you know, all the people who
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are going to be impacted. They're already looking ahet. They're saying, Okay,
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society is going to collapse. A lot of the climate
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systems are going to collapse. It's inevitable, and we're already
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building for what comes after that. But we want to
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just keep ourselves safe.
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So there's there's no energy being put into turning it around.
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But rather hiding from.
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It, yes, exactly, hiding and making it worse. Yes.
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Yeah, well it's again. It's that time.
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Analyuse and I will be right back to continue our discussion.
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Please stay right there. This is Mission Evolution www dot
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Mission evolution dot org. What impact does gaming have on
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our young people? Mission evolution dot org. With us discussing
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the impact gaming may have on our future is doctor
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Anna Luce smithsman her website earthwise dot global. So analy
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there's the twenty four thousand dollars question. What impact is
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I mean, kids are really into the gaming. It's a
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it's a huge thing. It was not around when I
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was a kid. So I'm kind of sitting back watching it, going,
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oh my goodness. You know, you'll be sitting in a
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living room visiting with somebody and all of a sudden,
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this yelling comes out of the bedroom, sounds like armageddon,
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and you go in there and a child is upset
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because he's losing a game.
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Okay, what's going on?
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Actually that sometimes describes because yeah, I have two teenagers
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and the boys they're fourteen and sixteen years old, and
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they go, you know, dog, come on from the left,
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you know, But what's going on, I'm on a partnership,
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not low.
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So, and it's so real to them too. I mean
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that's a little concerning absolutely.
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And then if I tell them afterwards, I ask, and
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you were and a drop with your friends? He said, no,
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that's fine. You know, we talked like that. So yes,
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it is. It's a very interesting new reality. Put it
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in perspective. Three point six billion people around the world
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apparently are playing video games, and sixty percent of those
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are you know, you so and young annuals. So that's
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a huge percentage.
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What's what's the percentage, you know, what are those games
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made out of? What are the percentages that are you know,
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let's get in there and be a superhero and kill everybody.
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Yeah, but that is the problem exactly because the majority
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of those games are battle games, and many of them
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are of course very popular on the shooter games and
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games that are very very quick, very flashy, very very addictive.
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That's why these gaming companies make passive amounts of money,
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because they know precisely how to get them hooked, to
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keep them coming back, and get them also addicted. So
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I think it's especially the addictive pattern that can be
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very damaging, but also the very quick reflexes all the time,
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the normalization of violence, also constantly using battle narratives, normalizing
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that as well, and getting desynthesized out of all of that,
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and you know, and gaming companies not using enough creativity
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and innovation to find out the ways to engage and
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entertain as well as at the same time educate. And
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so coming back to actually the same is what we
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talked about before. Can we use technology differently, yes, can
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we use gaming also in a different way? Yes?
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So how much you think, and it's probably really difficult
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question the increase in school shootings and violence that we've
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been seeing over the past fifty years. Once gaming was introduced,
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it seems like that accelerated quite a bit. Do you
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think they're connected?
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Yeah, I do. I know that a lot of people
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may push back on that. Then I think it's not
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just gaming, but also films, movies, TV series. You know.
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I think there is a normalization of violence, and the
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violence is getting it's getting gross or and grosser. And
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you can see that even with my own children. You know,
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if I look at they don't flinge right if they're
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seeing something quite violent, Uh, that's think wow. Yeah, So
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I do, But yes, go ahead.
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Well, also in the games, you can kill everybody, but
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then all you have to start the game over again
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and they're back to back to normal. And is it
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removing that finality of these kinds of actions.
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Yes, they they don't feel the impact, and that is
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a lot of the problems today. I believe that when
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when you you know, you constantly engaged in an activity
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that's actually quite harmful if you're really looking at it,
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but you don't feel the impact, so you get desynthesized.
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You're not learning from an either. And then some kids
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are younger people or adults, they flip so they don't
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know the difference anymore between a gaming world or a
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movie and they think it's okay that ta get gun
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and should right, and that is you know, it's this
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is a very good example of a systemic problem.
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When a child has a good witness, a good sense
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of self, solid loving family, are they less vulnerable to
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this flipping and getting lost in the game and the
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more raise within the game than the other children.
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Yes, I believe so. But I think most importantly as
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parents that you need to teach your children is that
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they recognize when they start getting addicted. It did these
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exercises with my son, and so, for example, if I
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noticed that he was playing too long and he was
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not taking a break naturally himself, but he was also
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not feeling that he was hungry, and I would tell him, look,
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be very careful. That are the first signs that you're
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getting addicted, and then ask him do you want to bedicted? No? No,
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of course not, mum. You I may help you recognize
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when that starts happening. Yes, Can you take a pose
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on a break? Yes, So he learned from quite an
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early age that make sure that the gaming activity doesn't
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overtake your drive, you know, doesn't start to dominate what
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you think or what you feel. So you have to
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be able to step back. And that's why it's important
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as parents that we also, of course supervise that because
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they can't always make those decisions themselves and tell them
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now stop, now take a break, Now take a pose,
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go out for a walk, you know, go play with
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your friends. They go swimming, go playing soccer or something else.
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But they need to really being able to disengage themselves
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from that.
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So guiney is such a norm among our young people.
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You advocate restricting them to the point that no, you
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can't do it at all or is that going to
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be a real pushback.
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No, I don't, and I am developing a game, so
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I couldn't say that either. And the game that I'm
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you know, developing with my team isn't much shorter gameplay experience,
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and so it doesn't hook them in for hours and
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hours and also helps them then then to detachment. I
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think it's more important that they learn how to work
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with you know, gaming, and it's fun and it can
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be transformative, but this is also the way.
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You know, this is the world we live in. So
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rather than forbidding, which they're going to push back against,
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to sneak around to do what you're doing and educate
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them on okay, this is out in the world. Now,
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Here's how if you want to remain healthy yourself, you
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deal with it. You get engaged, but don't let it
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take you over. And the more realistic the games, yet
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the more sound goes in your ears, and the more
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realistic on screen, the bigger screen you get. He has
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are always wanting bigger, better gaming. Doesn't that really take
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over our imagination and our our concepts? I mean, doesn't
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it becoming so large we hardly have a chance.
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Yes, it seems like well, and it can make them
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lazy as well. Right, So before if you were having
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a book, and you can still have your own imagination
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around the characters and the stories. So if all of
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this is crafted out for you by either a moving
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your film or a game, indeed, it can hinder your
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own creativity to come up. So I think this is
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also where game developers need to be much more conscious
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around those things and see, now, how can we create
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an immersive experience that stimulates them and then with the
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stimulation it's there, and now let them go on a
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journey or give them the opportunity to design part of
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the game world in the way they would like to
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conceive that then you start to engage the creativity. So
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I think if we're making this shift from being only
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playing games to be entertained, to be coming a game
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change to make your own games, now we start to
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then engage the creativity. And that is again very important
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in order not to be in that passive state that
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you're speaking about.
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Yeah, that's been a concern of mine for a lot
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of years. Even televisions like like you say, with the
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book you're reading somebody's story, but you're filling in all
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the blanks.
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You know, you're making the movie that goes with it
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in your mind.
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I personally read more than anything else for just that reason.
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But how long now has it been that television and
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this sort of thing has been dictating our creativity versus
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stimulating it?
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Long time? And again I think there's a big corporate
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model behind that because by doing that, and there's people
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will make a lot of money out of that. So
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going back again to also our school systems, educational systems,
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it's incredibly important that we help our youngsters to truly
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develop their imaginative abilities and their creative skills and innovation
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and not just passively passively entertain them and keeping them
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cold and only feeding them visuals.
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But yeah, so let's change a little bit here. So
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tell us a little bit about the illusions of the
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mind and how they're impacting our current situation.
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Illusions absolutely, and especially virtual reality, I mean, and now
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with AI of course even more for for a lot
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of them, they can't make the difference. But how do
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we know what's real? You know what is? And then
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illusions as well, in terms of coupled with with AI,
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you know, not knowing in terms of what's the effect
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of that. So illusion can play out in different ways.
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It can be is it the real person, who's not
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a person? But it can also be illusion in the
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sense of creating false narrative, false stories. Uh, this information
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that then feeds children, especially into the wrong behaviors, into
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the wrong actions or harmful actions.
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And I don't want to say that all of TEA
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v Is television or even games is detrimental. I mean
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a lot of it is. Well, I wouldn't know a.
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Third about the earth, I do.
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You know. If I didn't, we didn't have a lot
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of the programs. So yeah, there's a lot, a lot
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of good to be had there too. Can we solve
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our current problems with the mind? Speaking of the mind.
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Well, the mind's created a lot of those problems, so
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you know, so use that same mind again. Yes, I
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do believe you can solve a lot. But it depends
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on what aspect of the mind. So if we're just
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only using the rationalistic aspects of the mind, maybe not.
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You know, we need this as we're talking about as
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creative aspects of the mind as well, the deeper compassion
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of the mind, the empathy, the relational aspects alls of
596
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the mind is really important, but most important perhaps And
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there's also something that we're doing in our game is
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how do you train your intuition so that you get
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a sense of Okay, this game dynamic is taking me
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away from life and this one, Oh that's fun and
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I can actually regenerate, I can heal a character rather
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than just kill them and destroy them. So it's also
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about the different incentive and reward structures that we build
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around all of these different experiences that we need to address,
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and that often doesn't get addressed. And I think we
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need to use our minds intelligencely in a way that
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is like generative, that is future creative.
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It's you know, when I think back to the science
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fiction Osthmav and whoever you know they are, you see, Clerk,
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we're living what they imagined. We're living, yes, And so
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if we can engage that in ourselves, then we can
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kind of.
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Dictate the future in a different way, can't.
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We Yeah, or listen to it even right, So then
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it's like the future comes to live with us, and
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maybe that is a future that is much more humane,
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much more actually much more fun as well.
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We can hope yea, well, it's that magic moment. We
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need to take intother station break. We stay with us
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is ana loose an eye, continue to explore the power
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of human potential. This is Mission Evolution www dot Mission
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Evolution dot org. Are we evolving or devolving? This is
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Mission Evolution, Mission Evolution dot org. We're continuing our discussion
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with doctor and Luis smithsman her website earthwise dot global.
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And Louis, you speak of cosmic consciousness.
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What is that?
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But let's begining the word cosmos, because a lot of
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people when they hat the word cosmic, they think it's
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very fluffy or ethereal or but cosmos just literally means
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ordered wholeness. So cosmic consciousness is the consciousness that emerges
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out of that deeper ordered wholeness of the universe itself.
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So that also comes from a growing field in these
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new paradigm sciences, which takes the position that consciousness is
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primary and fundamental, and that energy and matter emerge out
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of consciousness, that they're not separate from that. So cosmic
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consciousness and I, therefore, I would say, is there is
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also many ways you could say the consciousness of the universe.
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So as more of us and I'm hoping this is
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the way we're going as more of us start engaging
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in this way of thought of the unification and cosmic consciousness.
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Do we lay aground work for others to make it
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possible for others to see it as well?
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Yes, I do hope so, and I think that that
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shift is happening if we're already looking also. I mean
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I could even include this. This was in twenty nineteen
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and completed my PhD research. And although it was a
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real challenge to put that in at a very conventional
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university like mystret University in the field of sustainability, in
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the end it did get scientifically accepted and also to
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peer reviewed research. And I heard from other PhD students
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came after me that having it in there was you know,
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helping that open the huge door for them so that
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they can now also look at those questions more scientifically
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and not be told that's too alternatives. So and then,
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of course, if this goes into the mainstream, I think
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it's incredibly important that people understand what is this universe
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that we form part of, what's the deeper nature of reality?
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Because for so long we've told people that the nature
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of reality is just to fight to survive, Yeah, to compete,
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to go ahead, and people have believed a lot of
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them and not saying oh but that you know that
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humans are not trustworthy, that we will always hurt each
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other and harm each other. But there's a far greater
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potential within us. And if we really start to understand
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what the deeper nature of reality itself is, that life
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wasn't designed to just fight to survive, then we can
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open up to this greater possibility.
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As we open up to greater possibilities within ourselves. Does
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that change the future?
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I don't know if it changes the future, because in potentiality,
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that future already exists. I think it changes our reality
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now and it's and by so doing that, we then
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create different futures. Yes, yes, go ahead.
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There's a lot of prophecies out there about the new
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heaven and the new Earth.
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Do you think it relates to this, that.
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Seeing creating a different reality creates a new way of
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being or a new heaven and a new Earth.
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Yes, exactly. I think that a lot of those those
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prophecies from from different cultures and and different traditions point
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to this, you know, point in our story whereas humans
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you come to this crust point, it's dipping point. Either
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evolved to our next stage and we really start to
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learn from the feedback that we're getting from life and
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from our planets, or we play ourselves out of existence
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Chapter Oerve four Humans.
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Alternative doesn't look real nice to me, but that's just.
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So. You write about thriveability as a pattern for living systems,
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would you go into that a little bit for us?
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Yes, many people know the word thrive, but they don't
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always know the word thrive ability. So the triveability talks
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about the ability to thrive and that this is an
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innate potential that is life given. Every living system has
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the ability to thrive. But that the ability again is relational,
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so it requires an environment also for all of us
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around that supports that. And know that we're sharing resources
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also through that. So just like we have responsibility, the
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ability to respond, sustainability, the abilities to sustain, we also
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have thrive ability, the ability to thrive, and that if
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we're looking at the patterns of living systems, we see
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that they create conditions for life to thrive, and that
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is what that statement refers to.
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And just look at look at nature.
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I love the seasons because it's nowhere is it more
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evident than within the seasons, you know, the beginning, the
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middle of the end, and the rebirth. I mean it
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just on and on and on, and things tend to
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drive out there without without electronics without So it's about
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that time in the show that I get to ask you, analysts,
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what is your mission?
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Ah? Well, to make this world more thrivable there you go. Yeah,
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so that is really yes, and to really empower especially
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younger generations as game changes for our world and transformation.
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That's both my mission but also my passion. M hm.
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And I love I love your approach as I understand it,
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of working with what is present versus trying to get
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rid of it. Would you speak to that a little bit?
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Yeah, I think that's so important because you don't achieve
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much from rejection. So if you're trying to get rid
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of something rather than work with its potential, and then
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to me, you're not actually using that deeper intelligence and
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wisdom of the mind. Well, because you have a reactionary approach.
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But if you're looking, Okay, what's present here and how
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can we repurpose that? How can we get creative with it?
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How can we direct it? In such a way that
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the consequence gets very differently. And we talked about it
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already before. Like technology, it's not about getting rid of
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technology in order to become sustainable. It's about chews and
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technology for a different purpose, in a different way, based
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on a different understanding of life and reality.
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Yeah, it's like, you know, I don't want to feel
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like we're bad mouthing games are bad mouthing TV or
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anything else. It's the way it's being exploited. It seems
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to me that's creating most of the problem, not the
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media itself.
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This is it exactly exactly.
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So as a levels scientist, how do you see it's
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using the evolutionary process of life to create a thriving
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world and future.
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Well, first of all, by applying is actually in the
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design of our econ me. So if we're creating our
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economies as living systems, well, first of all, what we're
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start to do is we're stand to account for also
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all the natural resources and ecosystem services. So apply that
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system also to our economic design. Then apply it to
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our democracy. So rather than having these dual states like
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you're seeing in the United States, which is I think
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very very damaging. What we're seeing right now is always
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these bipolar states, so you have two parties constantly competing
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for we'll get wins the elections. But applying are also
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these same revolutionary processes to create that mutuality, to create
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win win solutions rather than win loose solutions. So that's
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really important in our societal systems as well. Understanding that
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human beings, we are vast evolutionary, complex living systems. So
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create incentives and rewards and support systems for people to
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coast stewart our planets and our futures, and to make
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it empowering for people to have decision and power also
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in the decisions that need to be taken together for
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our future.
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It seems like we're moving at mark seven right or nine,
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You know, we're moving much more rap Everything's going much
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more rapidly than fifty years ago. For sure, what's causing
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it and how can we use this to our advantage?
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Well, of course, the more complex your life becomes, the
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more complex societies become, the more it feels that things
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go very fast and where people start to feel that
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things get out of control. So I think that humans
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are not very good with complexity in that way. But
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if you want to use it to advantage. Then it's
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you need to make that complexity in our lives meaningful
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and that needs to be happening. Try having kind of
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connections that make sense. Post moments also get out of
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the red race in many ways. So there are also
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countries where, for example, say well let's introduce the four
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days a week as a working week rather than five days.
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So pushing less and doing more with less, valuing also
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the times with each other, the time to tell a
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good story, and the time to experience life. And yeah,
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stop stop pushing each other and our kids so hard.
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Yeah, I see the children are pushed so hard. There's
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so many activities and they're expected to participate in all
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of them.
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And we see children that.
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Were successful in everything.
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They were fell Victorian, they were, you know, and all
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of a sudden the suicide, you know, because the pressure
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just takes them out. So how can we back up
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and take it easy in a world that seems so
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out of control?
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Yeah, but it becomes out of control because we're not
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backing up right, So that is the first thing to realize.
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We're making it like that. So we have in some
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ways feel like we regain our powers from a world
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where we feel that's taking us constantly on the right.
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So if you stand in that as a victim, say
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I can't do anything, I'm helpless. The world is going
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so fast and you're never going to change it. But
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if you really realize I'm not a victim, I'm a
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creator here, I'm going to it takes from that power
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back and I'm going to bring in those rest moments,
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those balanced moments. We're going to go back to our visdom.
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But also find ways in a healthy way with your
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family and with your kids to say to let them know,
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you know, you don't have to participate in all of
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those activities and just choose one thing that you really like,
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and it's okay to have time also in the day
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that just do nothing, just.
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Be you're imagining a future right exactly. Yes, well weird
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just about out of time. If you were to leave
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us with one thought, and what would it be?
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Oh, and enjoy life and make it enjoyable.
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Also for others, that's beautiful because we get ourselves so
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busy we lose track of what's really important. If we
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take a look at look at every opportunity comes our
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way and say, is this really important?
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That should help, don't.
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You think exactly?
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Yes, Well, unfortunately we are out of time, Doctor Smithsmon,
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thank you so much for coming on the show.
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Thank you so much, wonderful conversation.
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Our guest this hour has been doctor annahlu Smithsman, Award
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winning futurist, system scientist, entrepreneur and best selling author. To
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find out more about doctor Smithsman, where you can find
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