Marvel Studios Executive Victoria Alonso Exits : Marvel Alliance Vol. 156

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Welcome to the Marvel Lince Podcast,
recover anything and everything to do with the
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Marvel Universe from the comic Stephen movies. We will go from the Mojo verst
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or six one six of the Quantum
Realm in order to bring the marvelous right
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to you. I'm the Man without
Fear, Chris. I'm your friendly neighborhood
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Brent Alliance several, volume one hundred
and fifty six, and uh, yeah,
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news is light this week, but
man, we've got a heck of
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a main story that I don't think
either one of us really saw coming.
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I mean, it's it's light and
volume, it's light in quantity, but
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the story we have is absolutely seismar. Yes, definitely a big shift from
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Marvel Studios at this point. But
uh but yeah, So, how has
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your week been, Brent? Because
I think, if you're not mistaken your
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own, you were on spring you
currently laur on spring break. I have,
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you know, one more day of
spring break tomorrow. Officially, I
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don't count the weekends because obviously getes
off anyway working in education, but yeah,
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one more day. It's been nice. But wait a minute, you
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said one more day. You gotta
be careful with that yeah, gosh,
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I have an additional day, a
singular one, more incident of on the
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calendar, and I you know,
I ran a few appointments and great being
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able to help out with bus duties
with the kids, which my wife normally
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does, so basically gave her a
break loud of her to get to work
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Earlier. I have played a lot
of Call of duty with David and a
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friend of mine, and it's basically
if I wasn't at an appointment, with
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the exception of watching a few episodes
of TV with my wife from various shows
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that we were watching right now,
which I like to keep these on the
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download because I don't want to be
spoiled spoiled on anything because they're logged out,
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and but regardless, we watched a
few episodes of those shows, and
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you know, more call of duty
and more call of duty and I am
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still really really bad at call of
duty, but it's fun and I love
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that I can play on my PlayStation
well David and our other coworker on an
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Xbox and it works cross platform.
So it's just amazing how many years it
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took for the companies to understand that
cross play would not would not cannibalize either
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platform and it would actually be a
benefit to everyone. So in this case,
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it got him as an additional sale
because Spider Man is on PlayStation.
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I never was buying an Xbox play
Call of Duty, but when I already
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had the PlayStation and I could play
with my friends, Okay, fine,
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well then I'll do it. David
and the chat saying you make the leaderboard.
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We just want to talk about where
on the leaderboard. Here's the thing.
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If I'm not at the bottom of
the leaderboard, odds are we lost
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because our team was really bad.
I need to be at the bottom of
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the leaderboard for our team to win. Oh yeah, Like I said before,
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I've been a wall I used to
be very good at COD and then
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when I say very good, I
was not like top League. I was
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good, but then I got older, my skills got lower, my reaction
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time got lower, and I got
bored with the franchise. So well,
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you know that makes it enough.
So I'm gonna assume you don't have the
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current game out, Modern Warfare two. The last the last Call of Duty
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I had was World War two,
and it is just is mainly because I'm
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a history buff and World War two
is kind of a jam, so I
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gave it a shot, really enjoyed
it. But yeah, I have not
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played multiplayer Call of Duty in a
very long time. Ye fair, and
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I'm fine, I've got anything.
I think. What I'm currently working on
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is a Metroid Prime on Switch,
the remaster version, and I've got I've
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got two more episodes left and Lego
Star Wars Skywalker SOCCA. I have been,
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yes, very slow, working my
way through it, but I have
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been enjoying every minute of my journey
through it. So I've heard that's an
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amazing game. It is. It
is, your kids would love it.
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So as opposed to I've never been
good at first person shooters, I'd happily
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I've happily stuck to Fortnite for the
past years, and better better you and
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Fortnite than me. I'm quite confused
by Fortnite. So I have another friend
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who has told me multiple times since
getting the PS five to join him on
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Fortnite. I'm like, well,
why don't you ever tell me when I
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was on PS four because that's what
you're playing on. But he has told
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me several times I need to get
on and play with him, but it
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hasn't happened yet, and honestly,
at this point it's probably not going to
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because we got to call a duty
and the Star Wars Survivors coming out soon,
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and by the time I get through
that, it's only gonna be a
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couple months until Spider Man probably,
so with the rumored September dates, so
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it's like, well, welcome,
Well, I'm glad. I hope you
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of the way, all right,
So let us talk about the kind of
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seismic news that happened towards the beginning
of the week, and that is Marvel
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Studios executive Victoria Alonso has exited Marvel
Studios. And when I kind of saw
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this came across the feeds, I'll
tell you what, I had to do
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a check the eight where is this
coming from? And once I saw from
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the Hogvard Reporter, all right,
got major credibility, and so this is
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what we're gonna kind of take you
through exactly kind of where this started,
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some kind of the rumor mill in
the sense of reporters and what they were
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hearing. And then a story broke
yesterday kind of giving a little bit of
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context of what really might have happened
behind the scenes. So Victoria Alonso's coming
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from the Hollywood Reporter. It's exclusive
from them. A long time high profile
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Marvel Students executive whose time at the
company dates back to the first Iron Man
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left the studio. This apparently happened
last Friday. Alonso had been with the
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company since the earliest days, establishing
the inevitable seventeen year run, watching the
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studio grow from where it was starting
its beginning to now one of the highest
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grossing franchises in film history. She
joined the student in two thousand and six
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as Chief Visual Effects and prost Production
and helped launch the Marvel Cinematic Universe as
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co producer of Ironman. She also
served as co producer on iron Man two
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thor and Captain America, the First
Avenger. She also was up to executive
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producer on the Avengers. She served
as executive producer on Marvel's subsequent releases and
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also worked on Disney Plus's TV series. In twenty twenty one, she was
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promoted to President and Physical and Post
Production, Visual Effects and Animation Production.
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So in addition to the behind the
scenes work, Alonso had been an important
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ambassador to the student's representation, being
very outspoken over the Florida's Don't Say Gay
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bill, and so the reasons were
very unclear. We still at this point,
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at this recording, we have had
no official statement from Disney. We
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have had no official statement from Marvel
Studios, like nothing. They have been
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radio silent about anything regarding this.
So we'll put a kind of a pause
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on that and kind of discussed that
a little bit once we kind of go
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through the timeline the only the same
day, Chris Lee, who was a
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senior reporter for Vulture in New York
Magazine, tweeted this out. He said,
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so many VFX sources have told me
Victoria Alonzo was singularly, singularly responsible
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from Marvel's toxic work environment, a
kingmaker who rewarded unquestioning fealty with an avalanche
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of work, but who also maintained
a blacklist that kept VFX pros wild eyed
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with fear. She held a crazy
amount of power, big footing all major
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creative decisions on Marvel movies and shows. Kevin Feigi and Victory Alonzo personally approve
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every single shot, all of the
visual effects work, which is usually the
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job of the director and show owner. One tech told him the main one
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that everyone's quite scared of is Victory
Alonzo. Another tech said, if she
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likes you, you're going to get
work and you're going to move up in
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the industry. If you are pissed
off with her, they say you're gonna
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get frozen out. So that is
Chris Lee's story. Then, shortly after
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he tweeted that out, Johanna Robinson, who's a bloggraph for The Ringer,
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tweets this, this is just an
absolutely opposite of one I've heard from every
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person who's worked with her. I'd
call it a gross mischaracterization. And she
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gives Chris credit. She said,
Chris has done a lot of great reporting
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on the state of the VFX work
in the Hollywood and particularly Marvel, and
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I know his anonymous sources have some
very legit concerns, but this is absolutely
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not who Victoria is. She says
this is from Chris's own report. Marvel
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declined to comment on Figi's involvement,
but an insider close to the company says
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that Figy does not approve every VFX
shot. Joe Pavlo, a VFX artists
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who helped organize VFX workers in the
UK, refutes the existence of any blacklists.
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He says, it has been my
experience that the blacklists visual effects artists
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fear so much hashing is nothing more
than a myth. She ended this by
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saying two final things, and I'm
logging off. One my bona fides and
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I have spent the last four years
working on a book about Marvel Studios,
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interviewing people on every level. Two, I have no reason to carry water
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from Marvel. They didn't lift a
finger to help with the book. In
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fact, they've blocked us. So
well, let's pause and kind of deal
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with this is kind of the first
part of this story. So let's what
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was your first reaction hearing that she's
out. I was no statement from Marvel.
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I was absolutely stunned. I was
actually playing all the duty with David
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at the time, and I was
just like, holy crap, they'll look
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at what this happening, and I
like what his initial response to me was,
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I hope that she's not getting scapegoated
for all the VOX stuff. Not
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that she's not doesn't have, you
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it's necessary. Just hope she's not
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or unfair. I'm reading I'm reading
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these, and I don't want to
question his credibility. Let me be clear
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about that. I think there is
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How much I think that's open to
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Like you, like you just read
mentions that no, if I doesn't actually
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approve every VFX shot. But when
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you got to ask yourself a couple
of questions. And this kind of
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goes true for like expect for negative
press across the board. One of the
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questions is like what does the person
have to gain? Who is the whoever
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revealed this information to Chris Lee?
And again I'm not I believe Chris Lee
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was told these things, but his
source, what is their motivation? Because
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typically the people who anomalously anomalously speak
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The people who are were blacklists of
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it is somebody who individually was blacklisted
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they either turned in support work or
maybe they you know, alonzo is I
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didn't know this, but apparently she
is a member of the LGBT humanity community
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and she absolutely was outspoken against Florida's
stupid don't say gay bill. Maybe it's
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someone who was, you know,
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related that I don't know speculating.
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sources on it. So I'm not
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throw Alonso out and say, oh, you're horrible, you know,
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you're you did the worst. It's
everything that's ever possibly gone wrong. Any
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plains people have had, they all
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I'm not willing to write off those
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opposite. So we're literally in a
case and he said, she said to
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me the truth is probably somewhere in
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charge of VFX and keep it only, she was absolutely like one of the
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second tier, like there was Kevin
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they were the next two in charge
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the Marvel Studio's parliament, with several
others. I believe the truth is probably
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somewhere in the middle. She probably
did make some people mad, but that
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doesn't mean it wasn't justified. That
doesn't mean they didn't turn it in bad
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work that she said wasn't appropriate.
It also doesn't mean she didn't. You
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know, we pretty much know that
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there, has been overworking and underpaying
people, so you can't blame them for
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being mad. At the same time, this is not a black and white
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situation. I don't think anyone should
be cheering anything about about her leaving.
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I also don't think anyone should say, oh, see into Marvel because she's
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leaving. We don't know. All
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There will be changes, and she
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on every single thing that is in
production right now and several more that are
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in development. Yeah on the game
and the chats, saying obvious problem was
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clearly releasing eighteen VFX heavy projects in
twenty two months, which brought about undue
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pressure. Nathan in the chat Loblie
Boots saying will by all available data like
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hard numbers, and so he didn't
turn a profit with the phase for content
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UMP and VFX didn't come off so
great. That might be the reasons.
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I don't know, but necessarily if
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profit at that, I don't.
I don't think that. I don't think
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the numbers hold up to that.
We we we can't speak to the Disney
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plus numbers because they don't report of
that kind of way. So we don't
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know every every single show or movie
that goes on a streaming platform gets a
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certain amount of value attributed to it, for like it's revenue, for how
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much revenue it's bringing the platform.
We don't know how much value they assigned
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to those. As far as the
theatrical will go, ant Man in the
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lot point of media, it's probably
gonna limp to break even in that ballpark.
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It's not it's not making any kind
of significant profit, if at all.
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It's also not going to lose significant
money. It's somewhere in the break
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even range. But several others did
really well, thor leven, Thunder that
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didn't lose money, Doctor Strange,
Multiverse Matters, I didn't lose money,
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Spider Man, No Way Home didn't
lose money. And before someone says,
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hey, that's a sony thing,
it is a sony thing for two thirds
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of it. But the other third
of that one point nine billion dollar box
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office is Marvels, which that's a
pretty big that's a very successful movie,
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when they also only put up a
third of the budget. No, I
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don't think we can realistically say Phase
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yeah, I don't know. Yeah, And you know, hearing this news,
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I think it's very telling. Still, like I said, Marvel Studios
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Disney have not come out with an
official statement at all. There's been no
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yes, she has been let go. There's not been even a political statement
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in the sense of like your standard, yes, we've decided a part way,
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she's going to do something else.
She's currently And I learned this from
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the Phase zero podcast from Brendon Davis
and Crewe apparently she's working on a memoir,
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so I'm going to be very curious
to see about, like if what
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she's going to say, at least
when it comes to the end of her
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tenure at Marvel. You and I
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up, it may just be Guardians. You know, Kevin Figi is gonna
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be one of the first questions people
are going to ask from the industry.
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Reporters are gonna be like, what
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Alonzo's exit from Marvel Studios. He's
probably gonna have a political answer, and
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he's gonna have an answer, but
it's also gonna be very telling what he
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says to that. I actually think
they need to listen to me tell them
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how to market. I think they
need to come out ahead of time and
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say something because otherwise the story,
like all the major headlines at Guardians from
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the Guardians press junk, are gonna
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I think they need to say something
ahead of time just to get that story
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out of the way so they can
focus on James Gunn's final film, so
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they can focus on the third Guardians
trilogy and the Fourth Guardians Project, Accounting
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the Holiday special, so they can, you know, so to give room
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for people to ask Kevin Figi the
questions they know he's not going to answer,
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like tell me who's in Zero Wars. You gotta have room for that
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kind of nonsense. I think they
I do think they should say something.
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But to date, I am glad
that there hasn't been this like public mud
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slinging going on. Now. That
said, if Victoria Alonso is truly scapegoaded,
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then she deserves to throw some mud. That's fine. I won't blame
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her for that, But as of
right now, I'm still glad I'm not
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seeing it. Yeah, so kind
of moving on with the story. At
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that point, Variety came out I
believe it was yesterday, think Wednesday at
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the time of recording. That is
going to it kind of gives a little
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bit of context with their sources.
So Variety said that while the cause of
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Alonso's termination is unclear, the sources
say that they that have a close to
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Variety said that the decision was made
by Disney Entertainment coach chairman Alan Bergman,
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to whom all all of Marvels Studios
reports too a Lonzo's longtime Boston Marvel's chief
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creative officer, Kevin Figy, was
not involved in the process. Another person
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familiar with the exit added Figy,
who felt mired in an impossible situation,
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ultimately did not intervene. Alonso was
blindsided. Another insider added a representative for
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Alonzo declined to provide common for the
story. Marvel students also declined to provide
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it. So hearing that, okay, so you know variety again, top
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tier, not a Scooper, not
someone. So again, their sources usually
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are pretty solid with they're they're telling
them at that point. So we got
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the Disney coach chairman Alan Bergman based
firing Victory Alonzo. So when it comes
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down to brass tacks at this point, if she is the head of the
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VFX and one of the biggest criticisms
of Phase four have been maybe not with
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every project, but a number of
projects within Phase four versus the other three
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phases have been the VFX issues and
whether, like you said, the sources
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for that have been complaining for in
the last year, really coming out against
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Marvel at that point, whether Christly's
reporting or others, and they are complaining
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at the box office is okay depending
on the movie, have not been the
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strongest, depending on which one.
But again, the biggest complaint has been
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the VFX. Look at the animation
side. We the whole animation departments have
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been cut at that point, and
people can say, well, again,
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Bob Iger's come in. He's looking
for some cost cutting. He's looking for
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scaling back the content releases from Bob
Chapex ideas of putting out as much content
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as possible. When it comes down
to it, whether it's true or not,
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how much of it true or not? Is she the big villain of
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the story that is a task master
with VFX? Maybe does she? Did
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she make friends with VFX artists and
don't have the same pinning Maybe two.
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I think you're right. I think
there is some truth in the middle.
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But if if it comes down to
you are in charge of this and it
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has not been measuring up, and
you have been basically given phase four two
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years, basically okay, so phase
four two years probably in production for we'll
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say three to four at that point. I think that's a reasonable assumption based
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on things they've told us for about
individual projects. So again buck stops with
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you. They've had three to four
years at that point to kind of turn
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out decent content. You're allowed to
have a few misses at that point.
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But everything they're trying to course correct, they're trying to they've heard the complaints.
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It is what it is at that
point, and we can't ignore the
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good at Victoria. Alonzo has been
a partisans beginning, But when it comes
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down to it, it's it's a
business, and it's it's a you know,
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as David as Laws apparently famously said, it's not show friends, it
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show business. And if you can't
necessarily keep the you know, keep it
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going in the positive that you're going
to get shown the door. M John
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Lee in the chat saying, some
people speculated there may have been an incident
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since the legal department was involved and
Kevin Figi didn't really step into try but
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it's all speculation. Well, when
it comes to any kind of firing,
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especially if a top executive, legal
is going to be involved, because there's
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it's a lot more than just dismissing, especially, I mean, legal is
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going to be involved in all employee
but especially as the number two, number
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two next to um lose to d
Esposito, You're you're gonna have a issues
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in the sense of package, how
it's going to do severance all that kind
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of stuff. Yet legal is gonna
be involved. But to your point,
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it may be other things. But
I can't speculate because that's the first time
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i've kind of I don't want to
say like it was because of some shady
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dealings. Um. I want to
come back to Figy's non response real quick,
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but before I do one thing about
the profit profit comments that Nathan had
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made earlier. That was my reaction
to that was basically all movies, because
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it is worth noting the TV shows
didn't make a profit. The one thing
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we do know about that is Disney
Plus was a lost leader. Disney Plus
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as a whole didn't profit. So
if it didn't profit, we don't know
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that an individuals show like one division
maybe profited where Miss Marvel didn't. But
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the Disney Plus has been a lost
leader as they tried to grow the business.
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And yes, they did recently lose
a ton of Disney Hot Star subscriptions
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because they didn't get cricket, and
you can apply some of that towards it,
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but basically the cricket stuff also went
like cost their subscriptions and that's basically
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all overseas stuff. I don't follow
cricket, but all right, Kevin Figy,
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it is worth noting historically he has
gone to bat several times with he
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thought there was something wrong happening.
He fought to make a black panther Captain
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Marvel. He almost left over the
permutter stuff, right like these different stories,
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depending on which story you read about. He was either almost fired or
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he almost left, either way over
that stuff. When James Gunn was fired,
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he really didn't say anything about it, and it wasn't relatively speaking,
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that long. They never even had
another director for Guardians Volume three before he
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was rehired again. I have always
theorized that Faggy slow walked it and purposely
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didn't look for a replacement until it
came to a point where he thought he
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could bring gun back. Speculation.
I don't know if that's true. All
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I know is he didn't say speak
out against James Gunn and he rehired him.
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in my book. This is all
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still very new. He hadn't spoke
out about gun at this point in the
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story either, but with Alonzo he
hasn't said anything. And if the reporting
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is accurate, that he basically stood
by and didn't intervene. To me,
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that's kind of implicit endorsement. He's
kind of saying he agrees, and then
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it's okay. I again, I'm
speculating, and I certainly don't want to
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put word words in the man's mouth. That's just where I'm at right now.
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Well, what I will say about
that. Kevin Figi in his relationship
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with Disney executives. Um the summer, I read Bob Iger's book Lestens on
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Leadership, and I highly recommend it. It was I mean, even just
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hearing his story at that point,
it's it's it's worth a good read.
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But he does talk at length when
we come to the mark, when he
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gets to the marble chapters of his
relationship with Kevin Figy. He's a big
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fan of Kevin Figy. He listens
to Kevin Figi and Kevin Kevin maybe a
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company man, and he knows kind
of the industry at that point. But
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to your point, what you're saying, if if he saw the writing on
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the wall when it came to Victoria
Alonzo, and if he felt she was
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being wronged, he would say something, and at that point he the needs
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the many, meaning the need to
the whole company, are more important than
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the needs a few in this case
Victoria Lonzo. And again, if she's
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if the people, she's in charge
of the division, she's in charge of
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her not putting out the content she's
in charge of it. It's time for
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new leadership, whether it be one
person two people. I seeing in the
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chats and people are saying possibly two
people doing it. Yeah, that's a
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lot for one person to do,
and that would be possibly maybe splitting off
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the responsibilities to do better with that, especially because she didn't come into a
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cold jumping to that right away.
She worked up to that. She was
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given more responsibility over time because she
earned it. Absolutely she earned it.
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But it's much harder, I would
think, to come into that level without
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having done all that build up work
for us. No, I do think
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I will not at all be surprised
when when the stories come out that it
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took three people to replace her,
And when it comes out, I mean,
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we've talked about it before. Like
you look at the movie like Eternals.
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Eternals is still one of the most
streamed movies in Disney. Plus you
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know, is it just on the
Marble Side or just period. My understanding
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is it's for Plus, which it
is not just Marvel. There are other
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things on there, but the movie
it is. Even if you took it
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as just Marvel. It absolutely found
an audience on Disney Plus, like there's
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no denying Love and Thunder did as
well, not as good as Eternals did.
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And there's a few reasons, a
few advantages Eternals had because that was
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based on twenty twenty two Eternals on
Disney Plus earlier. And the movie is
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quite a bit longer than the or
eleven Thunder, so it is going to
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get more minutes strained for people who
complete the movie. But regardless, people
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were still watching the movie. People
enjoy the movie. Marvel for take this
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wherever you want, just didn't convince
people to go see it in theaters.
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Was that due to COVID or wasn't
a big enough event, or just you
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know, I'll catch it at home, No big deal, right, And
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that's what Marvel has to fight now
is they have trained people, and really
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the whole industry has this problem.
If you just wait a couple months,
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sometimes less, you can watch it
at home, and very possibly you can
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watch it at Home as part of
your subscription, part of the money that
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you already pay. And what's the
most expensive Disney Plus plan right now,
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like eight bucks a month and nine
bucks a month something like that. So
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if you're already playing under ten dollars
a month and you know you're going to
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get to see that movie and it's
not that big a deal, well suddenly
435
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you can watch it for ten bucks
and your whole family can watch it,
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not even just you. It's way
cheaper. Marvel needs to They absolutely have
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to work on convincing people their theater. Their movies are events, and I'm
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not saying they need a Spider Man
No Way Home event every time, but
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they need to convince people to go
out. Obviously they were successful with Doctor
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Strange, Multiverse of Madness or Love, and Thunder Black Panther, but other
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movies haven't been as successful, most
recently Quantumnia. Yeah, and again the
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00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:51.160
first move of Figgy talking about slowing
down content. You know, we saw
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the pushback of the Marvels all the
stuff like technically we don't know what's coming
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out this year for Disney Plus because
they moved everything to coming soon. At
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that point, now, do we
have our suspicions of what definitely is yes,
446
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:07.279
Secret Invasion Loki season two, we
can probably put highly confident. We
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just don't know when. Last rumor
we've heard is now Secret Invasion has a
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00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:15.039
final pushback of June. It will
not be pushed back any further. Again,
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this is just coming from some scoopers
at that point trying to push to
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the story, but more including some
people I know, June seems to be
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the new date for it, which
would make sense because it gives may to
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guardians. June will be Secret Invasion
and Loki will either be late summer maybe
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early fall. At that point,
Ironheart, it still may have a chance
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of coming out this year, but
I will be fine pushing that to twenty
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twenty four x ninety seven, maybe
ending our content for the year if this
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gives us better content. You know, again, I'm not dancing on the
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grave and doing the flash bury in
front of the drive of Victoria Alonzo,
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because again she had done an amazing
job with the company. We cannot overlook
459
00:31:56.680 --> 00:32:00.119
what she has done positive for it. If this was a tough decision to
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00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:06.640
make in order to start fixing and
addressing the issues we've been going on with
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the Marvel projects. I mean again, plane doesl's advocate too if Bob tip
462
00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:15.039
At being in charge of Disney at
that point, he's the head boss and
463
00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:16.440
at the time saying I want to
push content. We need to get these
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00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:21.799
shows out. We've got too much
to catch up on coming back from COVID.
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We got to go, go,
go, go go. He's the
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boss. Okay, she only can
have so much to say. Necessarily push
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00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:30.720
back on one could say to your
point, she may be a scapegoach,
468
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:36.160
maybe the fall person for this,
but it's a tough thing to do.
469
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:37.920
So it's kind of you know,
you and I are not on the inside
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00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:40.440
of this, so you know we're
giving our own commentary on it. But
471
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:45.200
it's also trying to present all angles
to the story. Because it's when Marvel,
472
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:49.599
which I hope soon we'll put out
a statement of some sort regarding this.
473
00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:52.279
It's not going to be all the
answers they're not going to put out.
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They'll be very political at that point. But the fact that it's they
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have it yet is also doesn't make
them too good right now. Well,
476
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:06.759
I I completely agree speaking of the
release dates, Noel earlier in the chat
477
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had asked about the Disney Plus release
dates, and I don't know if he
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was saying Marvel, you need to
tell us the dates, or asking if
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we knew any of them, but
just to be we don't know the dates.
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00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:15.799
I wish we did well. I
mean we have, we have some
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of the movie dates. We don't
know Disney Plus dates themselves. Another thing,
482
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:23.279
All in the Game mentions that VFX
artists need both time and money.
483
00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:27.279
Just one or the other isn't going
to get it there for you. And
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00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:30.839
I want to point out that just
because they have like ant and the wast
485
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Quantamania is reportedly you know, not
quite picture locked, but close to it,
486
00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:38.279
almost a year in advance, right, so you would think they had
487
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:42.000
all this time, right, But
if they didn't have the budget, they're
488
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work going to spend extra time.
It's not like they're working on a eight
489
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hours a day or twelve hours a
day at five to six days a week.
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00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:51.240
If they didn't have the budget for
it, then they they're still going
491
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to be done. You know,
it doesn't matter. You got to have
492
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both time and money. Hopefully the
money shouldn't be a problem. The time
493
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:02.599
was able album. I think at
this point we can pretty confidently say the
494
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biggest, the biggest push. The
reason we got eighteen different projects in two
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00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:10.920
years is largely because of Bob Jpeck
pushing everything. At this point, I'm
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pretty confident in saying that, No, it's not a hard fact. It's
497
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just it's definitely what I've inferred from
reading various interviews and things. But hopefully
498
00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:23.199
they're going to get more time because
they're gonna slow down like they've talked about
499
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:25.400
doing. You know, we've already
seen some of the evidence of that.
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00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:30.480
Give them the money. Also pay
these people to do their work, you
501
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:35.760
know. There the work they're doing
is helping Marvel and by extension, Disney
502
00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:39.280
earn hundreds of millions to billions of
dollars. Pay them what they're worth,
503
00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:44.719
so we don't have this kind of
crap to go through and last before we
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00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:46.880
kind of move on and get a
move on to our first at break and
505
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:52.800
heading towards our last news item for
the night, Amara Daniel saying it's surprising
506
00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:55.719
but also common how quickly movies go
to streaming or vod not long after being
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in theaters. COVID really change everything
that too, I mean, you know,
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sus am, fear of the Gods, It is now scheduled to go
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to vod April eighteenth, thirty two
days. I think I read thirty one
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days something like that, just over
a month, you know, Elliott,
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Well, not this year, but
was it last year or whatever? Last
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year I think it was. It
was like The Batman came out and forty
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00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:22.679
five days later it was on HBO
Max. It has definitely changed, but
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what is still true is for the
vast majority of movies, the vast majority
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of their money is made within that
verse forty five days. I mean,
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I'm sure everyone listening to this and
where most of you anyway can maybe remember
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pre COVID a movie would come out, you'd wait three or four months just
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to have the possibility of being able
to buy it on home release. If
519
00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:45.719
they went that fast and you were
waiting another three or four months before it
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00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:52.159
was probably going to show up on
Netflix. I personally love that in general,
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things are moving faster. I always
got to amy on the wast Quantumenia
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Twice. My dad did ask me
about going to see it, and I
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00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:01.360
will honestly tell you I told him, I don't think you're going to enjoy
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00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:04.920
it that much. You should probably
just wait and watch it. At home.
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00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:07.159
Like I told my dad that,
knowing what his reaction is to other
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Marvel movies because he's been to all
well at this point, he has seen
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00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:14.239
all of them with me at least
once, and just knowing his reaction,
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00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:15.159
was like, I don't I think
you're gonna want to watch it at home.
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00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:17.679
I'm guessing I'll end up watching it
at home with him. But I
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00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:22.519
love that. Odds are they haven't
announced the release date yet, it's not
531
00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:23.679
gonna be that long. Like,
I'm gonna be able to watch it again
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00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:27.760
at home soon, and I will
the weekend it comes out. I will
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00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:30.599
watch it again happily. So I
don't know, Noel, what about Daredevil
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00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:36.079
Born Again? Released date too soon? Now? Trust me, if there
535
00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:39.039
was one project I wanted to know
to the second when it was coming out,
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00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:43.519
it's the next Naar Devel project.
So no, we will be all
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over that one when we get that
news. Yeah, they're just in the
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middle of beginning filming at that point, we're getting set photos were seeing that.
539
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:52.320
But I mean again, planning eighteen
episodes. This is going to be
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00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:57.360
a very long shoot at that point. So but but yeah, so again
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we knew this is gonna be a
long top of very active chat discussion at
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that point. So we're gonna take
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543
00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:07.079
our final discussion for the evenings.
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547
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back and we are back, all
right. So, final news story item
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for the night. It is looking
at X Men ninety seven. Officially the
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00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:35.519
plot first plot details overall plot details
for the series have been released, so
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when speaking at the X Men sixty
Uncanny Years Live event, Marvel Unlimited X
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Men ninety seven showrunner and writer Bo
Demio gave fans some new details about the
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upcoming animated project. Demiles said,
Okay, we're gonna be picking up about
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several months after against spoiler for those
who have not seen the final season of
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the original X Men, the animated
series, after Professor X left Earth after
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being shot by Henry Gyrick and had
to return to the Sheer Homeworld to be
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with Lelandra and or Lelander, depending
on how you've pronounced what ends up happening
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is that the assassination attempt has led
to this wave of increased sympathy towards mutants
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and understanding and things are despite the
Friends of Humanity still having their mullets and
559
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:24.880
getting all up in it, things
are really starting to look up for mutants.
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And this is going to kind of
come to a head and leads our
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X men to say, what does
our future hold for us? We weren't
562
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expecting this, and you're going to
have Cyclops and Storm really wanted to carry
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on the dream, and they've recruited
Morph and Bishop to actually become full time
564
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members of the team. Well basically
Morph coming back to the team at that
565
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point because he was a full member
until he had his little detour. Other
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00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:57.039
X Men like Jean and Jean and
they will, won't They couple gambit in
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00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:00.159
Rogue are starting to begin to question, maybe there is a lie. If
568
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:02.639
we've been fighting for this life and
acceptance, can we just go out there
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and enjoy it for once? Maybe? And then of course there's somebody shows
570
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:09.880
up who should shouldn't show up,
and it's Magneto, who's also kind of
571
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feeling like, you know, Professor
X did a solid for mutan kind.
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I'm going to try to walk in
his footsteps. I'm going to try to
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be the force for a good of
mutant kind. But then, of course,
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as the X Men are kind of
looking at the future and we're going
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00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:25.679
to be talking about a lot about
this, how do you face the future?
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How do the X Men and what
have they been telling humanity to do
577
00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:35.039
for decades, which is embrace the
future. So yeah, this is this
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is kind of our first kind of
big discussion about you know, what we
579
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are hearing at least is the first
season and with the possibility of a very
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00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:47.639
strong season two, which we already
know is being in production due to the
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00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:52.960
voice actor who plays Volverine basically saying, yes, season two's ago, they're
582
00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:57.360
already doing the voice work for it. Again, Brend and I have been
583
00:39:57.440 --> 00:40:00.039
very vocal on this. We are
very excited about this back. It's definitely
584
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:04.639
one of our most anticipated if it
does release this year, whenever it releases.
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But he also revealed one of the
key villains for the revival is going
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to be Nathaniel Essex. Mister Sinister
is returning. You know, there's one
587
00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:20.719
one quote in there, and obviously
this is all paraphrase stuff saying here's what
588
00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:23.559
it's about. Right. I would
love it if Magneto walked in the room
589
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and said, hey, Professor X, didus a solid You don't just started
590
00:40:27.519 --> 00:40:30.079
talking that way. Yeah, this
is solid. So I'm gonna help him
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00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:35.480
out here, and I'm gonna walk
into Suste. Yeah. Such, I'm
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excited, and I think this sounds
really interesting because you know what, we
593
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don't get a ton of stories where
the X Men are accepted. We don't
594
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:47.280
get a ton of stories where like
they don't have to fear persecution just because
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they stepped foot outside the X mansion. And I am definitely excited to see
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what they do for that. And
as David says in the chat reminder,
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Cyclops was right, and as I
put in the chat hash sex, cyclupse
598
00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:07.039
was wrong. It's all right.
We can agree to disagree. Yeah,
599
00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:09.559
it's it's very just. I think
that was one of the biggest shocks when
600
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we did see this, when it
was announced. It's like, wait a
601
00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:14.840
minute, they're bringing this back.
I mean, yeah, it's a no
602
00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:20.920
brainer. But the way that kind
of final season was, it's definitely and
603
00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:23.159
it leaves, in my opinion,
was a low point untils X Men,
604
00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:29.039
but it definitely did not keep the
heights that the first couple of seasons rose
605
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too. I mean, still to
this day, in my opinion, it
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is the only X Men project that
has effectively done the Phoenix saga from beginning
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to end. That is, it's
a very nice way to put it that.
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Yes, the movies were not not
good adaptations, not good even inspiration,
609
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you know, not even good at
taking inspiration. But the show,
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the TV series, fantastic job,
fantastic job of the Phoenix saga. I
611
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see you made the comment, Brenda. That comment does not represent the views
612
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of Marvel Lines well represents my views
as one half of Marvel Alliance. I
613
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like that. That was good.
We have fun here. So but yeah,
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we'll keep hoping again if it may
if it does release this here,
615
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you know, we'll be watching it
and breaking it down here Marvel Alliance at
616
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that point. But we'll be waiting
and seeing. But again, lots of
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excitement. Good seeing them being a
part of this and giving us a preview
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of what's to come in X ninety
seven. All Right, so let us
619
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get into So that's all the news
for this week's Let us get into listener
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feedback you put out as you always
put out the Spidy signal for question,
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So what do you got for us
this week? Yeah? First up from
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Jim Scroggs. We're going back in
the video game territory, but at least
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it's Marvel related this time. What
do you want to see out of the
624
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Spider Man games and how deep would
you go with the Marvel mythology? Um,
625
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you know, I'm I'm excited just
to see what we're gonna see with
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being able to play Peter and Miles
at the same time, you know,
627
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getting getting to see their different views. You know, again, we've gotten
628
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separate games for both of them.
We know Venom is going to be in
629
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this. How much of the Marvel
mythology with it? I'm maybe I like
630
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the Easter Eggs. I'd rather see
Spidy kind of just be Spidy right now.
631
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And I don't think it's necessary based
on how good both games have been.
632
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I don't think outside of little Easter
Eggs, winks and nods that they
633
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have done. I think one thing
I think you and I would agree on
634
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is maybe a devil in coming into
play would be kind of nice at that
635
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point if we can't yet get it
on the small screen or a big screen.
636
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:45.880
I would love to see Daredevil Matt
Murdoch kind of maybe do a one
637
00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:51.679
off, little side mission arc.
I think that would be a lot of
638
00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:55.400
fun. I would love to see
that kind of thing happen, getting to
639
00:43:55.480 --> 00:43:59.800
do something like that. They could
almost do it as like a pilot for
640
00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:01.199
a full game for someone else,
if they wanted, I guess at that
641
00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:06.039
point. But if it was the
pilot was like the Mary Jane seen sneaking
642
00:44:06.039 --> 00:44:07.920
around missions, I would not want
a full game of that, um,
643
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but I would definitely go deeper into
the mythology if you could, you know,
644
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maybe bring in Shield, like Spider
Man's been known to have some run
645
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ins with Shield, bring in Shield. Bring in some more of the rogues,
646
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:22.800
you know, and I know they
are in this one. Obviously,
647
00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:24.719
we got quite a few in the
first game. They're bringing in more in
648
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the second one. The thing I
would want them absolute most is not something
649
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we're going to get as far as
I know, And because they keep talking
650
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about this game has been designed as
a great single player experience, but there's
651
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a part of me that's hoping that
that means there will be a two player
652
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multiplayer option, because I would have
absolutely love to play this game with a
653
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friend or be able to like run
around with my six year old who Miles
654
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is his favorite Spider Man and you
know, let him play his Miles,
655
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let me play as Peter and run
around and do a couple of missions together,
656
00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:02.480
even if it was some sort of
like not full open world, but
657
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like you know, if you played
the first one, there were times when
658
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you're in the middle of the mission, as you go too far from it,
659
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:10.159
it'll tell you to turn around or
you're going to exit the mission.
660
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:14.000
Even if it was that kind of
scenario and you had to stay close to
661
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:17.480
each other, I think that would
be a blast. Yeah, mar Daniel
662
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:21.519
saying, I wonder if the new
Spider Man games can have other Marvel characters,
663
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like how the Ultimate Spider Man game, how you mean too Arch Wolverene
664
00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:27.039
in it. That would be my
other thing. Maybe an appearance by Fantastic
665
00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:30.840
Four, always very present in Spider
Man comics in one way, shape or
666
00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:35.360
form, has been on the Fantastic
Four a different points future foundation, So
667
00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:37.960
that wouldn't be too much of a
stretch, No pun intended for mister Fantastic
668
00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:44.880
But yeah, no, I think
I think there's there's a rumor I've been
669
00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:47.840
seeing going around and it's based on
so be careful out there. They had
670
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been putting out action figures, have
Carter coming out four the Spider Man game.
671
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Be careful about them, ladies and
gentlemen, because apparently on the back
672
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of Miles it wasn't I wasn't.
I don't feel will buy it, but
673
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:02.519
if you just want to kind of
stay away from it, as always be
674
00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:06.679
careful with those toys and Lego releases. But yeah, the action figure from
675
00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:13.159
the Marvel Legends line for Miles does
give a I'd say it's a decent spoiler
676
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about where this series, where this
particular game may be going, because I
677
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:20.559
dividually did not see that coming.
But I'm very intrigued and excited about it.
678
00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:23.840
So they said if the Wolverine game
is in the same universe or a
679
00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:30.599
different one, They have not said, but I have made the assumption that
680
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:35.840
it is completely separate. It just
happens to be in like Sony is the
681
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deal only one putting it out.
I've made the assumption that it's not in
682
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the same universe, Like I've googled
that and I have found reports saying both
683
00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:44.559
sides of that story. Okay,
so I'm like, is there anything like
684
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they're in the same universe or they're
not in the same universe. I do
685
00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:51.000
think it'd be fun if there was
some sort of Wolverine easter egg that like
686
00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:53.840
tease. Okay, how about this. The end of the first Spider Man
687
00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:57.159
game, there was It's Marvel.
There was a credit scene, right,
688
00:46:57.239 --> 00:47:01.079
yeah, and that teased Miles Morales. What if there was a credit scene
689
00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:04.760
at the end of this teasing the
Wolverine game. I think that'd be kind
690
00:47:04.760 --> 00:47:07.840
of fun. Yeah, that would
Yeah, I'd definitely be down for that.
691
00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:15.400
So apparently there's a PlayStation blog entry
claiming that they're the same universe,
692
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but that's still just showing a screenshot, not a link to the actual source.
693
00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:22.079
So you know, always question your
sources. I need something a little
694
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:25.800
more official than that, Yes,
exactly. Amary Daniels says the MCU is
695
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increasing with each new project, especially
with the f with the F for an
696
00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:35.320
Xmen coming, Are there any characters
you feel should be retired or phased out
697
00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:38.480
within the next phase. This extends
to passing the towards to a successor.
698
00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:44.719
Also, Chris, how's your birthday? I found this a fascinating question because
699
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here's where you get into the difference
between the movies, TV and the comics.
700
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We don't get a phase out of
some of our major players. Like
701
00:47:55.519 --> 00:47:59.840
on the Aventure side, do they
disappear from time to time? Sure,
702
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:02.280
do they die, do they come
back to life? But at all and
703
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:05.440
and and all the things, like
you know, you look at your main
704
00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:09.039
Avengers lineup typically that I'll have your
Iron Man, your thor Um, you
705
00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:13.880
know, Hulk and Black Panthers,
stuff like that, Like like you said,
706
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:16.320
successors are there and things like that, but the main players have always
707
00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:19.840
been there, and you don't get
the same clamoring. Man, I wish
708
00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:22.320
they would just retire Iron Man,
Man, I wish would there would would
709
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:24.239
retire thor at that point. They
may have different versions, but the main
710
00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:30.159
ones are still there. And it's
just really fascinating to see. You know,
711
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:31.800
I'm not criticizing in a question,
Marire, Don't get me wrong.
712
00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:36.320
I just I find that I was
thinking about this as tonight before we jumping
713
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:38.519
out and there, because I just
find this an interesting dynamics saying, oh,
714
00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:43.639
we gotta we gotta retire the idea
of retiring like people you know,
715
00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:47.119
the characters like Tony Start, Steve
Rogers, Captain America, maybe thor Odin's
716
00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:52.800
son, but the comics don't do
that. And it's it's it's it's a
717
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:57.239
fascinating interesting dynamic. I think about
that. What do you feel? It
718
00:48:57.320 --> 00:49:00.159
is really interesting? And I was
trying to like think mack of like characters
719
00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:04.400
that I feel like maybe it's getting
to the point where they should be retired.
720
00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:07.000
And it's like, well, okay, let's let's just say presume Secret
721
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:13.599
Warriors appearance doesn't count. Steve Rogers
and Tony Stark were retired right there.
722
00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:19.360
Their characters were retired. Natasha was
retired. The Black Widow character was retired.
723
00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:22.960
Yes, there's a new Black Widow, there's a new Captain America.
724
00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:27.679
There is a new Iron character and
Ironheart coming. Well, I guess she's
725
00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:30.840
here now because a black painther were
kind of whatever, but the originals were
726
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:34.760
retired at the same time. I'm
like, well, that new that new
727
00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:39.000
Captain America. Anthony Mackie, he's
been around since twenty fourteen, right,
728
00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:44.440
Like he's when his movie comes out
next year, assuming the current release date
729
00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:46.639
it will be, he will have
been in the MCU for ten years,
730
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:52.559
like and and several projects. Yeah, like even he it's almost getting the
731
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:58.440
point where you can make an argument
for the Hulk just setting even just setting
732
00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:01.960
aside the Norton hope, but Mark
Ruffle specifically, his Hulk has been around
733
00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:06.480
since twenty twelve. It's like you
could make an Argument's getting to the point
734
00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:09.000
where, yeah, maybe they should
think about retiring the character and moving on.
735
00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:12.800
They just introduced she Hulk, but
oh wait, there's rumors of a
736
00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:16.400
potential World War Hulk if they end
up with the rights back. Yeah,
737
00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:20.960
it's it's a really interesting question.
And I like, I don't want to
738
00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:23.719
see any of these characters get retired. Technically I would love to see them
739
00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:27.559
all around together, but that's just
not feasible. You can get away with
740
00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:29.960
that in the animation. You can
get away with that comicals. You can't
741
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:32.559
do that in live action, so
they have to do other things. They're
742
00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:36.000
bringing in new characters, which I
think is going to help phase out.
743
00:50:36.039 --> 00:50:38.760
But like so like Loki, I
would have thought for sure we're never seeing
744
00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:43.199
Loki again after in game right,
and you can make an argument it's like
745
00:50:43.239 --> 00:50:47.440
to be even shocked he made it
into that far right and his character might
746
00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:52.880
be more popular now than it ever
was he ever was before, and I
747
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:55.480
don't think he's going soon. Maybe
I'm wrong, Maybe he's just looky season
748
00:50:55.519 --> 00:51:00.000
two and he's out. But I
just think they need to keep introducing them
749
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:04.360
as new people. Chung Chi,
yes, the Eternals, as Omari says,
750
00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:07.800
the Fantastic four in the X Men. Keep introducing those so as those
751
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:09.280
actors are like, I've done this
for ten years. I've done this for
752
00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:14.440
twelve years. It's time to take
a break. Let people kind of fall
753
00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:16.760
out. All in the Game says
a little more time spent with the newer
754
00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:20.679
characters would be nice, though,
to make people fall in love with them.
755
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:23.840
Gaps between Monica Rambow appearances from One
Division to the Marbles is a decent
756
00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:28.239
gap, it is, and I
know, like me especially, I'm very
757
00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:30.360
anxious to see Chungchi again. I
really really love that movie in that character.
758
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:34.360
But when I really think about it, when did Chung Chi come out
759
00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:38.719
twenty twenty one? Right, it
hasn't been that long. It's been less
760
00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:43.360
than two years. It's just there's
been so many projects makes it feel like
761
00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:46.239
it's been longer. But they're bringing
in other characters. So I mean,
762
00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:50.880
I think they're just naturally gonna have
to face you. I gotta think Thar's
763
00:51:50.920 --> 00:51:53.599
got one more appearance and he's out. Yeah, those counting Seager Wars.
764
00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:57.400
Yeah, and i'd say Mark Ruffalo
is another one at that point. But
765
00:51:57.639 --> 00:52:00.599
you know, I get it in
the sense of the big differences you're dealing
766
00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:05.239
with comic books, which they never
age or they aged, and when you
767
00:52:05.320 --> 00:52:07.559
got actual actors and actress is portraying
and they're gonna age out of the part.
768
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:10.239
I totally get there's a difference.
I'm not ignoring that. I just
769
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:15.840
find the you know, it's interesting
if we're gonna retire characters themselves, not
770
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:21.159
necessarily recasting and continuing on the idea, but because in the comics it doesn't
771
00:52:21.199 --> 00:52:23.880
happen. Yeah, well, I
mean yeah, I mean, like there's
772
00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:29.239
no character that's basically it used to
be. You know, Bucky Barnes,
773
00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:30.679
Jason Todd, and Uncle Ben.
Those are the only three characters you never
774
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:34.760
come back to life. And we
just read a story that had a different
775
00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:37.880
Uncle Ben in it, and Jacky
have been back for years and they came
776
00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:43.719
back around at the same time.
Actually, like it just doesn't happen everybody.
777
00:52:43.719 --> 00:52:45.599
Barry Allen was gone for years,
Supergirl was gone for you. They're
778
00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:52.239
both back and even before you know
whatever current continuity crisis zero our type stuff,
779
00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:55.760
they came back like it doesn't happen. In comic books. Steve Rodgers
780
00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:59.159
has he was killed after a Civil
War. It's all right, he's just
781
00:52:59.199 --> 00:53:01.360
bouncing around and time he's back.
No big deal. They don't. People
782
00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:07.079
Tony Stark once like was killed in
a teenage version or something that came back
783
00:53:07.480 --> 00:53:10.400
to fill in for him. Tony
Starks back to being an adult now,
784
00:53:10.440 --> 00:53:15.679
all status quo, you know,
back to normal. But in the movies,
785
00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:19.599
we just can't do that, and
I wish we could, but we
786
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:22.960
just can't do it. So it
is fascinating. I think the easiest answer
787
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:25.559
is just those who have been around
ten plush years. I would think they
788
00:53:25.639 --> 00:53:30.159
almost want to just kind of move
on with their lives. Yeah, the
789
00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:32.719
original Avengers, easy, who have
ever left. I'd say they are the
790
00:53:32.920 --> 00:53:38.280
who you know, Mark Ruffalo,
you know, Chris Hemsworth, Nicky,
791
00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:44.639
Samuel L. Jackson. At that
point it's you know again, I understand,
792
00:53:44.679 --> 00:53:46.440
like you can't have him around forever, so again kind of like all
793
00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:50.039
in the games getting a kind of
where I'm heading towards, Like you bring
794
00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:53.599
in the new characters to beat the
new Avengers to necessary, We're not forgetting
795
00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:57.800
about them, but like it's bringing
up new ideas, new characters, new
796
00:53:57.880 --> 00:54:02.280
things that we the whole Marvel can
enough superheroes and supervillains is immense. It's
797
00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:07.519
almost literally infinite an idea that you
can pull so many different things. So
798
00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:10.519
yeah, bring in those further time
and then kind of phase out bringing some
799
00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:14.480
new ones. Not forgetting about those, either they die or they can come
800
00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:17.239
back later. But I think it's
it's a natural idea and it keeps things
801
00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:22.760
fresh in a different genre and the
presentation of the Marvel universe. Yeah and
802
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:24.960
All the game also says the sheer
amount of new characters, it feels like
803
00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:28.880
there's not enough time to be spent
with them. For some characters, like
804
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:31.360
the Eternals. I yes, I
am interested to see what they'll do with
805
00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:35.440
those characters, Nick, but I'm
not like chomping at the bitform chung Chi.
806
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:37.360
I am, come on on,
con I'm excited to see what the
807
00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:43.800
Marvels later this year. But other
new characters, you know, like where's
808
00:54:43.800 --> 00:54:46.239
the Moonight at right, let's show
me someon what's going on with Moonnight'.
809
00:54:46.719 --> 00:54:51.000
That's some stuff that I need to
know pretty much. Sooner than later.
810
00:54:51.039 --> 00:54:52.840
We'll find out. We will,
we will. But uh yeah, Mar's
811
00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:54.800
final question. My birthday, Thank
you for asking to marrow. It was
812
00:54:54.920 --> 00:54:59.320
very good. It was went out
to dinner with my kid, to my
813
00:54:59.320 --> 00:55:01.480
wife, to one of our favorite
restaurants. I'd say, you know,
814
00:55:01.639 --> 00:55:05.480
giftwise, you know, I'm not
a big person with gifts, but got
815
00:55:05.519 --> 00:55:08.239
a couple of video games, the
new Dead Space remake of the first one,
816
00:55:08.599 --> 00:55:13.519
Hitman three, which apparently I guess
I just found out that comes with
817
00:55:13.639 --> 00:55:17.719
all three versions because they're retitling at
the World of Assassin World of Assassins.
818
00:55:17.719 --> 00:55:21.800
So I get three games for you
know. In one that was kind of
819
00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:24.760
cool, but graphic novel I got, which I've been really excited to read
820
00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:31.199
is a book called Superspy by Matt
Kent. It's just a series of kind
821
00:55:31.239 --> 00:55:35.760
of one off stories that are all
kind of interconnected, and I'm a I'm
822
00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:38.559
a sucker for a good spy spy
story, so so I'm very excited to
823
00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:42.559
read that. But yes, thank
you. Perhaps I'm very relaxing. Thirty
824
00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:45.360
nine years old, my last day
in my thirty my last year in my
825
00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:49.480
thirties. I'll be marching into the
forties, you know, very very soon.
826
00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:52.639
Fair enough, Well again, a
happy birthday to you, thank you
827
00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:55.760
very much. But yeah, let
us take our last ad break before we
828
00:55:55.760 --> 00:56:00.719
get a Factor of Fictions and the
final installment of Compa Club with Spider Verse.
829
00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:04.039
So as always listener as these ads
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830
00:56:04.119 --> 00:56:06.440
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831
00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:07.519
they could be a bit loud.
Give you that three count before they come
832
00:56:07.519 --> 00:56:14.000
on, three two one, we'll
be right back, all right, and
833
00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:17.079
we are back all right. My
term for Factor of Fictions this week.
834
00:56:19.119 --> 00:56:22.559
You know it's on slow newsweeks.
I have to dig into the depth of
835
00:56:22.599 --> 00:56:28.519
my mind and sense of Factor of
Fictions a lot of times sometimes the news
836
00:56:28.719 --> 00:56:30.320
breaks it out at that point.
Oh, thank you all in again.
837
00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:34.039
I don't look a day over thirty
eight. We'll appreciate, appreciate that.
838
00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:37.880
I always tell people i'm when they
ask my age. I'll be cheeky about
839
00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:43.559
incident. I'm as old as the
Morning and Night stars. So but yeah,
840
00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:47.519
so here is a couple of very
yeah, a little bit of show,
841
00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:51.320
a little bit of movies at that
point. All right, Number one,
842
00:56:51.719 --> 00:56:55.880
we will get at least one MCU
show with an announced season two this
843
00:56:55.960 --> 00:57:00.639
year. So they've already had a
season one. Well and you know Low
844
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:04.119
Keys are are only one that we've
gone to season two. But we will
845
00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:07.760
get at least one MC show this
year announced to be getting a season two.
846
00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:13.360
I feel like you need to clarify. Yes, you mean a show
847
00:57:13.400 --> 00:57:15.400
that comes out this year, we'll
get a season two or just they will
848
00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:19.719
announce it this year, like we
there has been like you know, just
849
00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:22.360
take for instance, okay, Falcon
and there a Soldier, Okay, so
850
00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:24.840
they can do another yeah, something
like that, that's season two. I'm
851
00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:28.280
not saying that's what I'm going for. I'm just saying, like any show
852
00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:31.159
that has already come out as a
had one season Moon Night another example,
853
00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:35.679
this year, we will find out
they are getting a season two, at
854
00:57:35.719 --> 00:57:37.920
least one. I'm gonna say,
fact, I do think that's going to
855
00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:39.360
happen. Um asked me to bet
on which one it is, and I
856
00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:44.360
would actually say miss marvel Um,
but just for clarity's sake, for the
857
00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:46.440
listeners. I'm not counting what if
we already know the season two that's coming.
858
00:57:46.639 --> 00:57:51.719
And I'm also not counting XP ninety
seven because they have said they're working
859
00:57:51.719 --> 00:57:53.719
on season two, but so just
counting those, I still think it's a
860
00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:57.239
fact. Yeah, that's that's what
I was kind of going for. I
861
00:57:57.280 --> 00:58:00.519
was hoping, like, yeah,
those are their own kind of das right
862
00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:02.800
now. All right, Yes,
I'm also effective well, I'm kind of
863
00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:06.679
hoping for, you know, Miss
Marvel. I'm on board with, but
864
00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:09.280
definitely want another season of Moon Night
because I think there's a lot more potential.
865
00:58:09.280 --> 00:58:13.239
I think they can you know,
it was good, but I think
866
00:58:13.280 --> 00:58:17.119
we can do even better with season
two. All right, number two.
867
00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:22.440
We will get the full slate of
Phase six announced at SDCC this year.
868
00:58:23.079 --> 00:58:30.639
I hope not That to me says
you're not sewing down, Kevin. You
869
00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:34.079
need to slow down. We're on
a first name basis now, you're not
870
00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:37.519
slowing down, Kevin. But really, I'm gonna say fiction, I don't
871
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:40.079
think we will. I do think
we'll get something new, at least a
872
00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:45.639
couple, but I think SDCC this
year will be more about filling in information
873
00:58:45.719 --> 00:58:51.599
we don't necessarily have, like we
know, we'll get our cast for Fantastic
874
00:58:51.599 --> 00:58:53.960
Four, things like that, we'll
get more information about the projects that are
875
00:58:54.079 --> 00:58:58.760
already in development with a little bit
of new, But I don't think we'll
876
00:58:58.760 --> 00:59:01.119
get the whole slate. Yeah,
I'm a fiction as well as this.
877
00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:07.159
I say, at best we will
get the first half of Phase six,
878
00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:10.519
not the ending. At that point, I say we get the first half
879
00:59:10.559 --> 00:59:15.199
of it. I think I could
go with that, all right. So
880
00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:24.079
number three rere williams ak Ironheart will
appear in Armor Wars. Ironheart will be
881
00:59:24.079 --> 00:59:30.880
in Wars. Yes, fact,
yes, I think that. I think.
882
00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:34.639
I think that's absolutely gonna happen.
Yeah, I think. You know,
883
00:59:34.679 --> 00:59:36.440
it's say, well, that's obvious. It's like, hey, you
884
00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:38.119
never know at that point. But
because of where they're kind of gaining with
885
00:59:38.239 --> 00:59:44.280
Armor Wars, she's basing her her
own tech at a based off Stark,
886
00:59:44.559 --> 00:59:49.400
so she's might as well be a
somewhat participating member in the Armor Wars at
887
00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:52.920
that point wherever it is at that
point, So I know Roady will probably
888
00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:54.880
be knocking on her door. She'll
be knocking on Roodie's door, you know.
889
00:59:55.400 --> 00:59:59.159
Yeah, I've I've had We're not
gonna say it now because it's in
890
00:59:59.199 --> 01:00:01.920
the bank. But I've had factor
fiction related to those two characters for a
891
01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:05.639
while. Now, Oh okay,
I look for that. I need to
892
01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:07.800
surface up. But I've just been
waiting for when I decided it was time.
893
01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:14.559
So interesting that you're also thinking about
those two characters interact. So but
894
01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:17.519
but all right, So I will
post those Sunday afternoon, So let your
895
01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:21.960
voices be heard when those go live. And all right, let us move
896
01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:25.280
into comp book clubs. So before
we get into the final issue of Spider
897
01:00:25.400 --> 01:00:30.639
Verse, as The Amazing Spider Man
number fifteen, we are ready to announce
898
01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:34.199
our new comic book clubs. This
is Brenton Ar's choice, you know we
899
01:00:34.280 --> 01:00:37.559
do. Every other choice is our
choice and then the listener's choice. So
900
01:00:38.199 --> 01:00:45.039
we have decided that our next comp
book club will be Secret Invasion. So
901
01:00:45.159 --> 01:00:50.840
Secret Invasion a little bit of history
behind that. It's a little synopsis saying
902
01:00:50.880 --> 01:00:55.159
the shape shifting alien race known as
this the Scrolls has secretly infiltrated every superpowered
903
01:00:55.280 --> 01:01:01.599
organization on Earth with one goal,
full scale invasion phil With shocking revelations and
904
01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:05.960
powerful action, this adventure will keep
you on the edge of your seat as
905
01:01:05.960 --> 01:01:10.760
Marvel's greatest heroes and villains, ask
who do you trust? So, with
906
01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:15.719
our march towards what we believe is
going to be the first Disney Plus series
907
01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:21.159
of twenty twenty three, we decided
that they'd probably be very advantageous for us
908
01:01:21.199 --> 01:01:24.599
to as we march towards that,
to read the event comic that it is
909
01:01:24.599 --> 01:01:28.400
based off of. So we're gonna
do something a little different though with this
910
01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:31.440
one. Brand and I were talking
and I kind of made this suggestion that
911
01:01:32.199 --> 01:01:37.000
to go into Secret Invasion number one
without doing a little bit of kind of
912
01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:43.159
prologue discussion, that would be kind
of, I think a mistake. So
913
01:01:43.199 --> 01:01:45.400
the good thing is the Marvel Unlimited
they actually have what they considered be kind
914
01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:51.159
of the four prologue issues leading towards
Secret Invasion number one. So next week
915
01:01:51.199 --> 01:01:54.760
we will go into four issues of
the prologue, which would be New Avengers
916
01:01:54.840 --> 01:02:00.679
number thirty one and number thirty four, Mighty Avengers number seven, New Avengers,
917
01:02:00.719 --> 01:02:05.719
The Illuminati number five. So we'll
be covering four issues next week as
918
01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:08.119
the prologue to Secret Invasion, and
then the week after we will do one
919
01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:13.559
issue at a time with Secret Invasion
number one. Yes, definitely different.
920
01:02:13.840 --> 01:02:16.039
For what it is worth, the
order is in case you're not reading and
921
01:02:16.119 --> 01:02:21.480
Marble Limited is New Avengers thirty one, might e Avenger seven and then New
922
01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:25.480
Aventures thirty four and the Illuminati Special. So that is the official order from
923
01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:32.800
the Secret Invasion reading Guide, and
the cover of that issue thirty one is
924
01:02:32.800 --> 01:02:38.760
probably a very This really begins Secret
the Secret Invasion Discovery, because it was
925
01:02:38.960 --> 01:02:43.960
when I remember reading that issue,
it was a shocker to be for sure.
926
01:02:44.159 --> 01:02:49.559
Absolutely it sent a lot of waves
about how long has this been going
927
01:02:49.599 --> 01:02:53.039
on? So yep, yep.
So all right, well let us get
928
01:02:53.079 --> 01:02:59.920
into our final issue of Spider Verse, the epilogue chapter Amazing Spider Man number
929
01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:02.800
fifteen. Brent, what your thoughts
about this issue? Yeah? So this
930
01:03:02.840 --> 01:03:08.360
issue really just epilogue is perfect for
because it is it's basically just with the
931
01:03:08.360 --> 01:03:15.920
exception of a little tiny action scene
with Superior Spider Man and something awkward about
932
01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:20.119
that that I want to mention.
Okay, there, it's really just them
933
01:03:20.119 --> 01:03:22.719
all talking and wrapping up and trying
to like wrap their heads around what just
934
01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:25.960
happened with all the inheritors. You
know, the Master Weaver is gone.
935
01:03:25.960 --> 01:03:29.400
We need a new Master Weaver.
Maybe it's gonna be Silk. Maybe it's
936
01:03:29.440 --> 01:03:31.000
gonna be Carn. Oh, it
looks like the old one was Carn,
937
01:03:31.079 --> 01:03:35.599
so the new one's got to be
Carn because time is weird. But it
938
01:03:35.760 --> 01:03:42.119
is kind of just a quick,
easy read talking and again it kind of
939
01:03:42.119 --> 01:03:44.800
feels like they're about to kick off
to a bunch of other different events,
940
01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:47.000
and you do a different miniseries and
you do get a little bit of that,
941
01:03:47.239 --> 01:03:51.320
you know, follows, follow Jessica
Drew over here, follow Anya and
942
01:03:51.599 --> 01:03:54.960
Spider Uk over heat over there and
stuff. But overall it's enjoyable and it's
943
01:03:55.000 --> 01:03:59.639
fun just to see them around talking
with each other. Yeah, especially when
944
01:03:59.639 --> 01:04:01.440
you come to this epilogue, as
you know, the big battle has happened,
945
01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:03.639
so it's kind of like everyone's saying
good bye to each other, going
946
01:04:03.719 --> 01:04:08.719
back to the respective universes. Yeah, it was very interesting in the sense
947
01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:14.079
of what is it. You know, you got superior Spider Man figuring out
948
01:04:14.119 --> 01:04:15.800
what's going to happen to him,
and he's just striking out. He says,
949
01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:17.840
no, I'm not gonna low his
happen. I'm going to continue to
950
01:04:17.840 --> 01:04:20.679
exist. I'm going to destroy everything. You're all gonna be if I'm going
951
01:04:20.880 --> 01:04:24.559
If I'm going down, I'm taking
you all with me. And as I
952
01:04:24.639 --> 01:04:30.400
say, he does irreparable harm to
the web of life. Basically that can
953
01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:33.239
be repaired, but it's gonna take
a while because, um, what's his
954
01:04:33.320 --> 01:04:38.119
face? The inheritor, I can't
remember his name off top of my head.
955
01:04:38.599 --> 01:04:41.159
Yes, he basically says, I
can repair this, but you are
956
01:04:41.199 --> 01:04:45.039
going to notice your your kind of
connections, your ability to sense the future
957
01:04:45.199 --> 01:04:47.119
and things like that, which Peter
says, I mean my spidery sense.
958
01:04:47.360 --> 01:04:51.880
It's gonna be a little bit reduced
while I repair yea. And there's this
959
01:04:53.000 --> 01:04:58.719
really weird moment where Superior Spider Man
A note, that's how I'm referring to
960
01:04:58.800 --> 01:05:01.880
him, so that you and the
listeners can tell the difference. Is he
961
01:05:02.000 --> 01:05:06.480
taking this knife and he's cutting the
strands right, the web strands Peter six
962
01:05:06.599 --> 01:05:12.159
one six Peter Main, the main
Spider Man, refers to him as Superior.
963
01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:15.280
He calls him by name and calls
him superior, and it's just it's
964
01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:19.239
I've always thought it was an awkward
moment because why would you ever ever call
965
01:05:19.400 --> 01:05:26.159
somebody that like just because they tell
like, like I am the fantastic brand,
966
01:05:26.280 --> 01:05:29.320
right, so I expect people to
call me fantat No, it's just
967
01:05:29.480 --> 01:05:32.039
weird and dumb, and I'm like, I'm sorry, i gotta call you
968
01:05:32.039 --> 01:05:34.960
out for that one. That's just
that's an odd, oddline to throw in.
969
01:05:35.000 --> 01:05:40.079
There's dan slot, but minor nitpick, I guess, but it's just
970
01:05:40.199 --> 01:05:43.679
it sticks out to me every time
I've read this story, and I did,
971
01:05:43.760 --> 01:05:45.960
like and I had forgotten about this, like how close this was to
972
01:05:46.280 --> 01:05:50.480
uh, you know, the Secret
Wars from from Hickman at that point.
973
01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:58.920
Finding out that Spidy UK's universe has
is gone due to an encouragion happening.
974
01:05:58.960 --> 01:06:00.639
That's just I don't know where this
kind of takes place in this sense,
975
01:06:00.679 --> 01:06:04.760
but this is very early on it, since the beginning of the incursions and
976
01:06:04.920 --> 01:06:10.559
like kind of his place as well
as Spider Woman's place in the sense of
977
01:06:10.599 --> 01:06:12.760
where are they going to be at
that point, and they're going to be
978
01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:15.840
the ones beginning there. Basically he
was part of the Captain Britten Corp at
979
01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:19.400
that point. Well, he's basically
part of the Spider Verse corps now monitoring
980
01:06:19.400 --> 01:06:25.280
the Spider Verse and stopping anything that
would affect and threaten the Web of life
981
01:06:25.639 --> 01:06:30.639
right exactly exactly, so but yeah, it's uh, it's good ending at
982
01:06:30.679 --> 01:06:33.199
that point, and I like that. You know, I have the Omnibus
983
01:06:33.199 --> 01:06:35.360
behind me and a Get Spider Get, and you have all the kind of
984
01:06:35.360 --> 01:06:40.159
Times I'm looking forward to. I
will probably revisit The Times as well,
985
01:06:40.199 --> 01:06:44.400
because I was very curious about,
you know, my man Miguel doing that,
986
01:06:44.480 --> 01:06:47.199
because I didn't I only read the
main line storyline when it came out.
987
01:06:47.239 --> 01:06:51.519
I didn't read The Times. So
so yeah, I read all of
988
01:06:51.519 --> 01:06:55.840
it. I read all every last
bit of it. Yeah, so I'm
989
01:06:55.880 --> 01:06:58.480
excited to kind of dive into that
and then head towards Spider Get and and
990
01:06:58.599 --> 01:07:00.519
things like that, you know,
with a movie coming out in June,
991
01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:03.719
I think that would be kind of
fun to kind of read as we go
992
01:07:03.800 --> 01:07:08.480
through that. So absolutely, But
all right, Well, like we said,
993
01:07:08.559 --> 01:07:12.159
next week, we have four issues
to discuss, and again those are
994
01:07:12.199 --> 01:07:15.880
and I'll make sure to read them
in the proper order you not to confuse
995
01:07:15.880 --> 01:07:17.239
everyone, because Brent, you brought
up a good point. So we will
996
01:07:17.239 --> 01:07:21.519
be reading as our prolog to Secret
Invasion New Avengers number thirty four, Mighty
997
01:07:21.559 --> 01:07:27.840
Avengers number seven, New Avengers thirty
four and New Avengers the Illuminati number five.
998
01:07:28.360 --> 01:07:30.920
If you are a subscriber to Marble
and Limited, all you need to
999
01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:35.559
go to is their reading guides,
and there is one one specifically labeled Secret
1000
01:07:35.599 --> 01:07:40.400
Invasion. It is in the correct
reading order, which will we be referring
1001
01:07:40.440 --> 01:07:43.639
to? So read it on there
Comicsology and Limited. Not sure if it's
1002
01:07:43.679 --> 01:07:46.320
there, can't not necessarily I did
not do check on that before. But
1003
01:07:46.320 --> 01:07:48.880
again, hope you'll be reading along
with this. Be a lot of fun,
1004
01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:53.360
and I know it's been a good
long time since I have read that,
1005
01:07:53.800 --> 01:07:58.679
so but all right, So one
fifty six in the books, Brent
1006
01:07:58.880 --> 01:08:01.760
tell people how they can follow you, Brent Pact Soci'll go to that website.
1007
01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:05.880
There's links everywhere that I'm at.
Gotcha and as I always want to
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True Believers at Finest Believers. New
episode dropping this Sunday morning, And I
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know this is one since I recorded
at Brent has been looking forward to the
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preview will drop as you listening to
this Friday afternoon. It's going to talk
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about a devil in Hell's kitchen.
Less to say, I think it's probably
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my favorite story for him. So
yes, I have done my homework to
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be ready to listen. I have
reread it. I'm ready to go.
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I'm just I'm waiting on that episode
to drop. O good. It's it's
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a new time guest. But he
is a he's very very accomplished one,
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not just a professor, but also
has his own comic label, publishes his
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own comics at that point, and
so it was very excited to have him.
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Someone with a deep love comics in
novel writer like he is probably probably
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one of my most accomplished first time
guests. So looking forward to that.
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So check that out on Sunday morning
and hope you all enjoy it. And
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but yeah, you can follow the
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network Feed on Apple Pad, podcast, Spotify, Amazon Music, wherever you
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get your podcast. We greatly appreciate
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in the chat. Thank you all
for listening, Stay safe out to everyone,
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and a stand the man would say, excelsia or true believers, all
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right, Brent. As always with
post credits, sometimes we get a little
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have a little fun with it and
maybe step outside the Marvel realm, but
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we always seem to find a Marvel
collect connection if it's not direct, even
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how small it is. We Brent
and I will give our very quick thoughts
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on Shazam, theory of the Gods
and what is our Marvel connection? Brent.
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For why we can talk about this, well, mister Zachary Levi was
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in Thor the Dark World. He
is mcu alum and that's our justification we're
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going for. What do you think
it's Shazam Fear the Gods? Um?
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I thought it was. I thought
it was an okay movie. Um it
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is. You know, in comparison
to First Sizam, I liked the first
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Jam a little bit more and the
biggest reason because of that is the character
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development that was there. With Billy
in the family at that point, I
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think it almost flipped what it was. We had more time with you know,
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Shazam and a lot a lot more
action sect pieces, which I was
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pretty impressed by some of the lot
of the action set pieces. What they
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did a lot of action. It
became the most character development I was kind
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of interested in and was at the
end of the movie said, man,
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this was a Freddie Freeman movie more
than a Billy Batson movie. Yes,
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yes, it absolutely was a Freddie
Freeman movie. And you know what,
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Freddie was great. They did a
great job. Character I agree, Like
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I said, Morbius was fine.
I will put this movie above Morbous.
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I will too. It's just okay, like it's it's fine. It This
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is where I say, if this
movie had come out in the early two
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thousands, we would be absolutely raving
about it. But it really was like
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Billy Batson was in what two scenes, like he was barely in the movie
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Shazam, Zach relieve, I did
a great job. But Freddie Freeman,
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like that's where it all was,
and not even in his his you know,
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captain every power persona, but as
Freddie Freeman, like he did a
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great job, the villains lackluster,
boring. I'm not gonna say they phoned
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it in. I don't agree with
that. I just I just don't think
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they were given anything worthwhile to do. I know that sounds harsh, but
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it is. I've seen some people
complaining about the CGI. I can't go
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with you on there. I don't
remember one scene where I thought that CGI
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is bad and really taking me out
of it. I was fine with everything
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I saw. The dragons was you
see him in the trailer. But the
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dragons were great. There's a character
named Steve that I thought was really funny.
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It just but when it tastes the
rainbow, yeah, when it all
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came together, it just it was
a letdown for me because I just expected
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better. And maybe that's on me
for having higher expectations. Are really enjoyed
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the first one, but I'll admit
it, I was let down. And
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I'm not let down because oh it's
not gonna go anywhere because the DCU and
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James Gunn. But I am disappointed
that we just had a Black Adam movie
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that I enjoyed and another Shizian movie
and nothing, nothing between them. There
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a few months apart and nothing.
I'm sorry, that really does disappoint me.
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Yeah, and kind of my final
thoughts and it, you know,
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Rachel Ziegler, you know, she
kind of said, like, why did
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you do this movie? I said, I needed the paycheck, I said,
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again, she hadn't done one of
her movies, like West Side Story
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had not come out, Like she
was still as a joke even if it
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wasn't. I think it was kind
of a tongue in cheek joke at that
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point to her kind of be She
is very cheeky when it comes to kind
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of responses. If she you know, she can at that point, it
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is tongue in cheeks. So I
think she was joking at that point.
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But the fact that when she was
cast for this, she had none of
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her stuff had come out. With
West Side Story, she hadn't done then,
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nothing had come out, Like,
I think this movie is not necessarily
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a testament to what she can do
further. I think West Side Story was
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very good for a character. I'm
looking forward to see what she can do
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further on in her career. Yeah, like you said, I agree with
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you on the villains. They were
okay, there's nothing to ride at home
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about. I thought the infamous cameo. I wasn't ruined by it. I
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did not see that. I wasn't
ruined by it. But when I I
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saw, I was like, Okay, I get it. It just seems
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kind of like thrown in at that
point just to continue having connections. But
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again, it was an okay movie, a good movie, and I would
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definitely rank it above morebus I.
There are definitely many other movies I ran
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a rank A. You know this
one would rank above. It's an okay
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movie. It's a fine movie.
I understand if people say, well,
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I'd rather save my money for John
Wick or Super Mario Brothers. I get
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it, because it'll come to HBO
Max soon enough. It's there's a lot
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more hate for this movie than I
think it deserves. And I think there
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is what the first movie had with
heart. I'm not saying it disappeared.
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I'd just think it took a step
backwards for more action set pieces. But
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I totally understand. David Sandberg,
you know again, you did you did
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it. I think you did with
a franchise that everyone's like, Jazanne,
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what's that. I think he did
a great job. I'm sorry for like
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some of the trolling and things like
that that you feel forced to respond to.
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I can understand why he's going to
step away and go back to his
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first love of horror. But again, I think having two movies of a
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character that I don't think any of
us all necessarily thought that you know,
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was going to get a movie.
It was good. There's some goodness in
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both movies. And but if you
want to see a great breakdown and hear
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a great breakdown of everything going on
this movie, check out DC Alliance's review.
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Joe and Travis did a great job
with it, so there's a full
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review out there on the g Way
Network, So check them out and we
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will see you all next week for
the next episode of Marvel Lines. Take care,