Jodorowsky DECODED, Occult Cinema, & The Search for God w/ Mystic Mark & Paranoid American

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rounding out this trifecta of an awesome podcast is your
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friend in mind, the paranoid American Thomas.
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Everybody's friend.
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We're all back. We're all here. What's up guys. I
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really appreciate you joining me considering the assignment was watching
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a vile and horrendous movie, which wasn't that bad, but we,
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you know, people read the title of the episode or
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they've seen the film. before listening to this podcast which
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will probably put a little intro and recommend people to
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do that before they listen.
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Are you calling it vile and horrendous.
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I don't think i'd recommend anyone watching it i mean
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really dude you made it seem like it was like
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this like when i texted you were like dude i
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love that movie and i was watching i didn't say
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it all like yes you did and i i mentioned
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that i gotta pull it up right now holy mountain
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is great You said.
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Why we brought El Topo up, which for the non-Spanish
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speaking audience, that is.
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He said that's such a dope movie.
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Yeah, that's what I said. It's a dope movie.
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Yeah, that's such a dope movie. I'll watch it again tomorrow.
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And that was Tuesday of last week. He watched the
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next day, bro. I watched it like two days ago.
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And just for the record, you've never even seen Holy Mountain.
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So you don't really have anything to talk about.
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No, I've heard of Holy Mountain, but I've never seen it.
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Well, that counts. As long as you've heard about it,
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I guess that's as good as seeing it.
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I mean, if you're in the conspiracy circles, you've.
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Heard about it. Hold the phone. Hold the phone. Didn't
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El Topo come out before Holy Mountain?
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Yeah, that doesn't mean it's better.
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Okay, so that's all. We were trying to be chronological here.
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Oh, we're going to do all of them?
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We might go into the Holy Mountain as well, because
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this all started from me telling Juan about a t-shirt
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I found.
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I'm wearing a holy mountain shirt right now.
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Actually wow see look it comes full circle the trifecta
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so all right el topo already you're seeing folks mixed
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reviews but let's just give it its general due diligence
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right it's a film that falls into the category of
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surrealism I take it Juan's not a fan of surrealism,
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and Thomas is. Is this the main point of contention?
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I think that Juan would be a fan of surrealism
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if Nick Cage is involved. Right.
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Well, we have established that on previous podcasts.
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No, what I didn't like about it, again, this is
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an older movie. Number one, it starts out really weird.
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Let's not give the cat right out of the bag,
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right out of the way in the beginning, Juan. Save your.
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My load.
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Yeah, hold on a second. Let's just tell people a
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little bit about the film because we're not going to
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be spoiling it.
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Is it possible to spoil this movie?
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That's what I'm trying to say. Can you spoil it?
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I feel like we're really going to be decoding this
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movie in the truest sense of the word and not
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in this dumb kind of, oh man, there's a hidden
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code in the movie 23. No, this is a film
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that's Thomas, would you agree sort of like an initiated
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kind of thing where, you know, the average person is
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going to see the surface level and then somebody who
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knows a thing or two about the symbolism is going
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to pick up on certain themes, you know, amongst the chaos,
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the seeming chaos. Would you agree with that statement that
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this is sort of an initiated film?
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No, what a leading question. I can just, I can
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just say yes. And I just agreed to like a
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couple of paragraphs of, way yeah yeah i agree.
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Thank you well that does it for today's podcast i'm
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glad you guys all joined me uh give your plugs
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um tj question am i giving too much away thomas
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i mean what what why the why the short answer.
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No i don't think you're giving too much away at
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all uh and in fact that i believe the origin
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of this movie is that he went on this spiritual
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quest with like a I have to look up the details,
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but he was on this quest for, like, five years, essentially,
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and then came up with El Topo as the result
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of this, like, spiritual undertaking that he did, which is
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kind of on course for Jodorowsky. Right.
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Now, the movie opens with a little description about the title,
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which is something along the lines of the mole, you know,
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searches for the sun, and then when he finds it,
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he's blinded, right?
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And....
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To be blinded by the truth is a good explanation
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for El Topo. I feel like this movie, yeah, the
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shock value is pretty high. So I'm hoping, I'm suspicious
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that there's some really deep and valuable symbolism. But again,
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I don't feel like I was initiated enough for this film.
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It kind of went over my head. to be honest.
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I think I can summarize it pretty well, especially with
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the mole context. And it's like, if you go searching
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for God or the ultimate truth, and then you actually
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find it, prepare to be annihilated by it. Okay.
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Well, and see now, this is why I think we
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need to go through the movie a little bit before
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we explain what we think about it. Because... I mean, Thomas,
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as someone who's seen it once or twice or more,
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I mean, could you even give a plot synopsis of
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this kind of film?
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Good luck. I think it's more of a summary of scenes,
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like you're describing sort of a collage. That would probably
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be a better way of doing it.
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Right, and I guess that's kind of what I'm struggling
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to say. Is there a coherent plot in this film,
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or is it an amalgamation of images that are supposed
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to be sort of filled in to the right person
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who's initiated. Like, where's the missing context for you? Do
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you feel like there is any or?
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I think the missing context is the LSD that you
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have to take and like the Kenneth Anger um, style, uh,
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like psychosis that you have to identify with. And once
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you get both of those, you can understand this a
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little bit more. It's, it's like a little, it's a
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whole lot LSD and a little bit of alchemy, um,
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and a little bit of, I guess the same things
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that you're going to see in Holy Mountain, which is
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kind of a spiritual sequel to this thing. But tarot,
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there's a lot of sort of like this, this, um,
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specifically occult and esoteric references, um, but there's so much
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LSD to like mix it up that it's not like
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a one for one. You can't pull out. Here's the
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exact reference and where it came from. Cause it all
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goes to that, that psychedelic filter.
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Can we talk a little bit about this Jordowski guy?
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Cause he seems like a kind of guy, like he played,
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he played the main character. And then there was a
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controversy with this movie because of the grape scene. If
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you know what I'm talking about. And he talked about
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it and he's like, yeah, I wanted to actually grape her.
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Yeah.
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I wanted like he, But some people say that they
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don't really show anything, right, as far as sexual. But
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some people were saying that that was like a sort
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of thing for him to sell the movie. Like, oh,
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this atrocious scene, like this thing happened and the way
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he talked about it to kind of hype it up.
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But was this guy involved in any sort of, because
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I've seen this thing before. Was he involved in any
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sort of occult circles or anything that you know of, Thomas?
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I mean, I would say that this movie and the
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rest of his work constitutes an occult circle. Like, if
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you're part of one of these movies that he's making,
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you were just part of a pretty intense magic ritual
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that people are still repeating right now, you know, five
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decades later, essentially.
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He's under Chilean occultists on Wikipedia, too, by the way.
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You have, but you have some of the hallmarks, like
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Thomas is saying, in his work, but He's also kind
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of endorsed by other esoteric types like John Lennon and
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helped promote his work. But as far as his Wikipedia says,
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he co-founded something called the Panic Movement, a surrealist performance
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art collective, which, I mean, I don't know. Does that
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sound Illuminati confirmed to you or what, Juan? Panic Movement?
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I've never heard about it.
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The panic. Yeah. So not only the panic movement, this
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is like the 60s, I think. 1962. But he also
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helped restore like a Marseille tarot deck. He was, I
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think that the best analogy, if you're not familiar with
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his work, it's kind of like Carlos Castaneda.
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Yeah.
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Where, like, is Carlos Castaneda part of some secret Illuminati
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network of a cult? I don't know. Like, he's definitely
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an occultist, 100%, and he almost... found his own school
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that has his own followers. He's like a Gurdjieff a
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little bit. Gurdjieff and Castaneda and Jodorowsky are all sort
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of in the same tier, I think.
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So, check this out. Panic Movement was an art collective
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formed by Fernando Arabal, Alejandro Jodorowsky, and Roland Gerdes. Tupor
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in Paris in 1962, inspired by and named after the
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god Pan, and influenced by Louis Buniel and Antonin Artaud's
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Theater of Cruelty, the group concentrated on chaotic and surreal
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performance art as a response to surrealism becoming mainstream. So
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it almost sounds almost like, what's that one lady, Abramovich,
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or what's her name, the lady that.
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Does the spirit cooking? Yeah, you got it, Maria Abramovich,
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my aunt.
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Yeah, your aunt, dude.
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So.
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Sort of like that, where it's showing... Did you ever
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see that guy? I'm sure you've seen it, Thomas. The
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guy that performed necrophilia as a sort of art statement.
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You know who I'm talking about?
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Alex Gray, right? The psychedelic.
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No. Well, that was alleged. That was alleged.
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Okay. By him, I think. I think he alleged it. Yeah,
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he said it.
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But there was another guy who.
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Man, my search history is cooked.
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Hold on.
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The FBI is, like, knocking at your door right now.
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But we need to take a look inside. Yeah.
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You ever shake somebody's hand and wish you could take
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it back?
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So, Joel Peter Witkin, known for his macabre and grotesque aesthetics,
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who can create stage photography utilizing real corpses and dismembered
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body parts to explore things of morality, beauty, and macabre. So,
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this guy... Yeah, look at Alex Gray. Gray's Disclosure of Necrophilia.
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Yeah. Oh, goodness.
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This guy did do it.
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One time, though. You know what you do? You do
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it one time, and it's like all people ever want
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to talk about.
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For the rest of your life. So here we go.
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Let's pull this guy up, because there was another guy
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here that... Is it Duncan? There was also attempts to
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pursue him. So Gray's Disclosure.
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This was like an extra subterranean level in the Epstein compound.
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John Duncan is an American. So this guy right here,
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John Duncan, an American whose body of work includes performance, art, installations,
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contemporary music, video, and blah, blah, blah, often involving the
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extensive use of recorded sound. His music is composed, blah, blah, blah.
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So let's look at here when he did this thing
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where he paid some guy at a morgue to do a.
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Where is it?
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Is it this guy? What did I say?
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A little rusty after being away for a year.
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Dude, I know, right? It's like everything's coming back. So,
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in 1980, American performance artist John Duncan performed A Blind Date,
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a controversial piece in which he traveled to Tijuana, Mexico,
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paid a mortician's assistant to have intercourse with a female cadaver,
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and shortly after, underwent a vasectomy. And I think he
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recorded the vasectomy, by the way, too. And he did
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like a whole... art exhibition about it so again uh
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and this was inspired by alex gray's uh necrophilia uh
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so it says here gray's disclosure of necrophilia quickly followed
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american artist john duncan's similar performance art blind date in
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which duncan described having uh intercourse with a female corpse
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in tijuana mexico and released an audio tape of the act.
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That seems like the lamest excuse, too, because if someone's
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saying like, oh, man, you know, this is really controversial
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and deep. What what inspired you? And he's like, oh,
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I saw someone else do it. So I was going
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to do it. Yeah.
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So, again, there are weirdos and it gives me that
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sort of vibe. This entire movie gave me that vibe
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where I'm like, what am I watching? What is all
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this about? And then when you. When I went into it,
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because Mark and I had talked about it, and I
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kind of sort of mentioned it because of the John
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Lennon connection. And it got to the point where I
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was watching the movie. The movie's two hours long. And
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after I was done with the movie, I needed to
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look on the Wikipedia page to see what the hell
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was going on. That's how disoriented I was throughout the
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entire movie. I'm like, okay, what's going on? I kind
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of see him going on this sort of spiritual journey
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kind of trying to defeat the ascended masters in a
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little bit in a little way like that's how i
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saw he's like defeating the ascended masters and mind you
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like at the beginning the kid was tripping me out
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because he was naked like for half the movie and
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he's on this dude's back mind you this is an
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actor too by the way who had a child on
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his back for a good portion of the movie and
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it was just very disorienting and maybe it's by design
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right to kind of weed out the uninitiated And the
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people who are initiated know what they're looking at, I guess.
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I don't know. I think that's also like the ultimate flex.
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You show up to a party and everything else is normal,
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but you're like, and I've got a naked five-year-old on
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my back. And everyone's too afraid to ask about that. Like, hey,
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how come that guy? And it just kind of makes
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you the ultimate badass in the room.
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Well, I have to disagree with you because clearly... You
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weren't paying attention, Thomas. At the beginning of the film,
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he says to the boy, you're seven years old now.
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It's time for us to go, right? That's right.
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There's actually seven comes up multiple times. They kind of
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beat you over the head with seven.
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Well, I was going to bring that up regardless of
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your misspeak there. So what do you think about that?
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What's the seven? Is it just the seven chakras? What's
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the seven chakras?
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you can also use like a child's blood in certain ceremonies.
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And there's something that's supposed to happen at age seven
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that actually and I think that there's. I'm trying to
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arrive at there. There's some kind of, um, sack that
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I believe I'm going to make some of this up. Right.
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So hopefully I'm, I'm a little bit close to the
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right exit, but there's like a sack that your mom
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gives you that continues helping provide red blood cells or
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like a meloglobin or like marrow or something. And I
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think that it continues to feed every, like every child
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system until about seven. And then they start producing their own.
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So there's actually some sort of, historical slash scientific precedent
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for why this particular it's not just like an arbitrary
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or some esoteric age and i mean i think it
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is both of those things But that the age seven
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is when they become their own person or like right
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on that cusp of it. And whenever we're talking about
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alchemy and magic and esotericism, those like little moments when
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something becomes flexible, when it when it's transitioning from one
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state to another, those are usually the parts that are
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incorporated into these magic rituals.
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Can I talk about a little bit about this guy's movement,
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this panic movement? Have you guys seen what they did?
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know so the movement's violent theatrical events were designed to
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be shocking and to release destructive energies in search of
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peace and beauty one four-hour performance known as sacramento melodrama
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was staged in may 1965 at the paris festival of
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free expression the happening star jorowski dressed in a motorcycle
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leather and featured him slitting the throats of two geese
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taping two snakes to his chest and having himself stripped
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and whipped Other scenes included in this quote, naked women
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covered in honey, a crucified chicken, the stage murder of
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a rabbi, a giant vagina, and the throwing of live
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turtles into the audience and canned apricots.
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It's a gore concert. A who?
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Gore.
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It's like a gore concert.
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What the hell's gore, bro?
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That's what they're, that's what they're known for. Like basically
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everything that you just, except for everyone, I think understands
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that Gwar is a little bit mixed with like RuPaul's
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drag race. I've seen a little bit, right?
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I've seen them. Yes, yes, yes.
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Like Slipknot adjacent.
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Yeah. And everything, but that's, but, but Gwar, like that
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stage show Gwar, and even like Gigi Allen is essentially
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based on this panic movement. And the, the way that
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you see in El Topo, especially in, in Holy Mountain
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is that they actually kill animals. either on screen or
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just off screen, and then you see their dead bodies
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immediately after. And that also was a huge controversy for
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a lot of his work, actually, because not a lot
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of people like to see an animal murdered in the
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middle of a movie, but he does it over and
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over and over again.
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And what's another... What was that other movie that people
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were freaking out about where they.
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It was like a... Milo and Otis?
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No, it was a scene where they killed a bunch
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of frogs and stuff.
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Is that the faces? That's Holy Mountain. That's Holy Mountain, right?
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It's the sequel to this movie, yeah. And that's exact.
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What it is is it's blood sacrifice, animal sacrifice in
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a movie, but that's because it's a magical ritual, right?
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They're doing actual blood magic, and they're incorporating it into
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the movie.
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This is like what we were talking about in that
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last episode, Juan, with, like, the landmark case the voodoo
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priest like oh well if they do it at temple
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and under the Jewish religion why can't we do.
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It no but i think that was more of like
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the double standards of like everyone knows that the the
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jews run reality and that they're on top of like
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i think that was more towards more towards that anti-tengu
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is like antiseptic right where it's like hey if they
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could do it we can do it right.
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Well, I get that, but I think in this case,
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maybe he saw a little bit of that and thought, well.
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They staged the killing of a rabbi, I mean, in
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that panic movement, so.
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Was he based? Was Jordowski based, bro? Was he speaking...
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He was telling us in the 60s what was going down, right?
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I don't think so. I think this is the guy
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that your daughter brings home and you're like, ugh, we
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need to move. Now I'm voting for Trump all of
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a sudden. Seeing one of these movies might turn somebody
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from one side to the other.
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Yeah, like pentagram, necklace, snake handler kind of guy. That's
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what you're talking about?
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And I'm thinking that when people talk about satanic panic,
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they're usually thinking about some emo, cure-looking, black mascara van.
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I'm thinking this guy. I'm thinking of Holy Mountain and
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El Topo. These guys showing up to your town, that's
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satanism for sure.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it was really weird. And this is what kind
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of put us on this, where... The movie, El Topo,
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became a hit on the midnight movie circuit in the
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United States. Is that where they play movies at midnight?
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Is that what a midnight movie is? Where they only
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show it at night? Or what is that? A low
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budget genre picture of distinctly non-mainstream. Okay, so like an
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indie film, pretty much.
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This would have to be in a movie theater, I assume,
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because broadcasting this on TV seems like it would be
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a felony back then.
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Well, no, but you know the theaters where you would
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go in at night to watch?
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Yeah, basically like a porn theater. You go to the
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left to see this, you know, animals dying, or go
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to the right to see a porn.
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So, considered the first ever midnight cult film and garnered
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high press from John Lennon, who convinced former Beatles manager
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Alan Kleen to provide Jodowski with $ 1 million to finance
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his next film. And then from that was The Holy Mountain.
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I didn't know that.
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Yeah. And then I also heard he was trying to
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make a remake of either The Holy Mountain or El Topo,
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like a part two, but could never come up with
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the financing for it.
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Well, he was also supposed to... He wanted to make Dune,
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the movie Dune. Yes, I see that. There's a whole
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movie about him trying to make that movie, which never happened.
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And if you watch the first two and you see... Like,
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for example, I think people were doing LSD and psilocybin, like,
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every day on set as they're filming all these. So
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imagine trying to make a huge movie like Dune with
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this huge budget, but everyone's just on acid the entire time.
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So he has another movie that was....
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Banned.
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Fando and List from 1968. And it was banned in Mexico,
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at least. So it's another surrealist movie filmed by Drodowski.
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Hold on. Before you go there, I just found something
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from his book titled, because he's written several nonfiction books,
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but he's also written some comic books as well.
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Yes.
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Science fiction comic books. The Incal is one of them.
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The Technopriest is another one. But his book titled Psychomagic,
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the Transformative Power of Shamanic Psychotherapy. It's like an interview
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style book. And he's asked the question, what is ephemeral
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panic exactly? And he answers by saying, I should refer
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to a passage published in 1973 in a book conceived
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by Arribal titled La Panique. This book allowed me to
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formulate the essential concepts of my process and my theatrical conceptions.
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To attain panic euphoria, one must liberate oneself from the
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theater structure. This is a necessary precondition. From the architectural
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point of view, whichever form they have, theaters are designed
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for actors and spectators. They obey the primordial law of
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the game, which amounts to delimiting a space. That is
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to say, isolating the stage from reality. And that is
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why they impose an understanding, a priory, of the relationship
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of the actors and the space. Before everything else, the
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actor must serve the architect and then the author. Feeders. Okay.
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That just sounds like a whole bunch of nonsense that
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you hear right before. They're like, now bring in the kids.
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You're in Comet Ping Pong's basement, and they're like, okay,
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performance and theater, and we're breaking boundaries, and you got
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to be super open and super smart to really appreciate this.
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All right, send in the kids.
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Was Jordowski on the Epstein list?
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We should look that up.
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I don't think he'd be on the list because he
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was the supply chain, not the consumer chain.
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Yeah, he was the inspiration there. Like, if only we
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could do the parties like Jordowski.
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No, he wasn't.
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Not even kidding, though. Like, I believe that 100%. Because
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if you think about the panic movement, that's Pizzagate, bro. Like,
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Pizzagate is... And I really believe that. I think more than...
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them doing actual magic and thinking they're going to live forever.
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It's more like, look at me. I'm Jodorowsky. Look, I'm
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in the Holy Mountain. That's kind of what it is.
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It's about feeling artsy and feeling next level.
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So he was not on the Epstein list, by the way.
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Let's not spread that rumor. We wouldn't want to spread
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rumors about this great guy, right?
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He's still alive, right?
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Yeah, he's 97 years old, bro.
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Yeah.
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So he's somewhere... tossing tarot cards around the table, dancing
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around a room with a crow and who knows what
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else he's doing.
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Killing rabbits and frogs.
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Well, you know, I had a suspicion that was the case, Thomas,
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and you just basically spelled it out, which was, yeah,
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he was actually using real dead animals in his films
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because my girlfriend made a comment. She's like, I hope
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those are stuffed animals. And I was like, I'm sure
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they are, you know, knowing better. But yeah, it was,
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Within the first 10 minutes of the film, you know,
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you're confronted with a nude child who seemingly was left
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tied to a pole in the desert underneath a black umbrella.
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And the man who's now, you learn, is his father,
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gives him a picture of his mother and the boy's
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stuffed animal and says, you have to bury these in
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the sand now.
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Yes.
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And then at some point along the journey... you know,
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after they've gone past maybe the 98th corpse, that's blood
489
00:27:00.779 --> 00:27:05.180
was strewn across the sand. So that's good to know
490
00:27:05.220 --> 00:27:08.299
that that was all real blood. I was witnessing. It was,
491
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I mean, for the time I understand it now, I
492
00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:15.240
feel like, you know, as someone watching it in 2026,
493
00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:18.039
it's like overkill, but at the time, you know, you
494
00:27:18.059 --> 00:27:20.650
have all these wars going on around the world and
495
00:27:20.670 --> 00:27:23.210
you have this bias media that isn't showing you the
496
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real shit for the most part. So, I can understand
497
00:27:26.150 --> 00:27:28.529
the frustration of an artist to want to do that,
498
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but it was pretty gross. And then, you know, the
499
00:27:33.450 --> 00:27:38.730
boy is left with monks because the father finds his
500
00:27:39.019 --> 00:27:44.539
sexy young thang to ride off into the sunset with, right?
501
00:27:44.579 --> 00:27:46.579
I mean, that's kind of... Is that who you were
502
00:27:46.640 --> 00:27:48.880
referring to with the grape scene?
503
00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:50.839
Yes. Yeah, so.
504
00:27:51.509 --> 00:27:54.369
beats the crap out of her like several times throughout
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the film.
506
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And apparently that was filmed one shot with just two
507
00:28:00.230 --> 00:28:02.880
people recording it at the time and it was like
508
00:28:02.930 --> 00:28:05.059
from the first again this is according to him right
509
00:28:05.099 --> 00:28:06.920
it was one time he's like we can't fake this
510
00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:09.500
a second time so the first time was when he
511
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did it and apparently he didn't know the actress he
512
00:28:12.259 --> 00:28:13.880
didn't know her or anything and they had just met
513
00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:16.059
so he's like i had no and i'm gonna read
514
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for what what he says from it so he says
515
00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:23.319
here So the grape scene controversy. So following the film's release,
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Jordowski courted controversy when he claimed that the scene in
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which he raped Mara Lorenzino was genuine. When I wanted
518
00:28:32.220 --> 00:28:35.440
to do the grape scene, I explained to Mara Lorenzino
519
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that I was going to hit her and grape her.
520
00:28:38.380 --> 00:28:40.730
There was no emotional relationship between us because I had
521
00:28:40.809 --> 00:28:44.289
put a clause in all the women's contracts stating that
522
00:28:44.309 --> 00:28:47.990
they would not make love with the director. Yeah. We
523
00:28:48.029 --> 00:28:50.230
had never talked to each other. I knew nothing about her.
524
00:28:50.269 --> 00:28:51.890
We went to the desert with two other people, the
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00:28:51.910 --> 00:28:55.299
photographer and a technician. No one else. I said, I'm
526
00:28:55.319 --> 00:28:57.759
not going to rehearse. There will only be one take
527
00:28:57.799 --> 00:29:00.640
because it will be impossible to repeat. Roll the cameras
528
00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:04.160
only when I signal you. And I really dot, dot, dot.
529
00:29:04.299 --> 00:29:07.059
I really dot, dot, dot. I really raped her. And
530
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:10.809
she screamed. And so it's interesting because according to his
531
00:29:10.950 --> 00:29:16.470
early life, he was born to immigrant Ukraine Jewish parents.
532
00:29:17.789 --> 00:29:21.869
And he states, according to Dordowski's account, he was conceived
533
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from sexual violence that his mother had faced as his
534
00:29:25.690 --> 00:29:28.410
father was physically and sexually abusive towards her.
535
00:29:29.650 --> 00:29:33.329
So... I mean, laugh about that, but when you say
536
00:29:33.369 --> 00:29:37.329
his parents came from Jewish roots, I'm just imagining they've
537
00:29:37.349 --> 00:29:39.829
got little hats, but they're like little El Topo hats. Yeah.
538
00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:45.099
Yeah yeah so then he uh he didn't have a
539
00:29:45.140 --> 00:29:47.640
bar mitzvah or celebrate any jewish holidays as his parents
540
00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:51.400
concealed their jewish identity for much of dordowski's life crypto
541
00:29:51.420 --> 00:29:54.640
jews that's what they call him so again he's one
542
00:29:54.660 --> 00:29:57.690
of the ten guys That's a big scene in.
543
00:29:57.670 --> 00:30:02.579
Mexico, too, with the crypto-Jews and the Spanish conquistadors.
544
00:30:02.700 --> 00:30:04.619
And Sephardic Jews, right?
545
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:07.279
Well, that's what I'm referring to. There was all the
546
00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:12.859
Sephardic Jews within the Spanish conquistadors. They were pretending to
547
00:30:12.900 --> 00:30:13.579
be Catholic.
548
00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:16.900
Who do you think that taught them the tarot and alchemy, man?
549
00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:20.019
That's where it had to come from, right? And I wonder,
550
00:30:20.599 --> 00:30:26.059
this scene, this controversial scene... isn't that just like every
551
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:29.559
sex scene with James Franco or Kevin Costner or Mickey
552
00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:32.529
Rourke or Marlon Brando? Like they, were they following in
553
00:30:32.549 --> 00:30:35.630
the footsteps of Jodorowsky? Is this all part of the
554
00:30:35.650 --> 00:30:36.430
panic movement?
555
00:30:37.069 --> 00:30:40.509
Hey, I mean, you make it right. Pan. And then
556
00:30:40.529 --> 00:30:42.950
you got Crowley in there too. Yo pan, yo pan.
557
00:30:42.970 --> 00:30:44.289
Right.
558
00:30:44.829 --> 00:30:48.380
And mind you, Crowley was before Jodorowsky. So who knows
559
00:30:48.430 --> 00:30:51.079
if he was inspired by these guys. And by the way, he,
560
00:30:51.619 --> 00:30:54.000
After leaving university, he developed an interest in theater, and
561
00:30:54.039 --> 00:30:57.460
particularly mine. He took up employment in a circus as
562
00:30:57.500 --> 00:31:00.519
a clown. So he was a clown for a while
563
00:31:00.539 --> 00:31:01.299
in 1940-something.
564
00:31:01.319 --> 00:31:06.619
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
565
00:31:09.710 --> 00:31:13.809
We just stumbled upon the craziest thing I think we've
566
00:31:13.849 --> 00:31:16.930
ever stumbled upon. What? I'm going to share my screen
567
00:31:16.970 --> 00:31:19.390
because I don't want to read some of this. This
568
00:31:19.470 --> 00:31:25.619
is a book. by Jodorowsky published by inner traditions, which
569
00:31:25.700 --> 00:31:28.279
is a publishing company I've worked with. They, they send
570
00:31:28.359 --> 00:31:33.079
authors and books to me occasionally. Um, so these are
571
00:31:33.220 --> 00:31:36.700
psycho magic tips to heal your life, authenticity, health, and
572
00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:40.259
the influence of the family terrain. So he's giving advice
573
00:31:40.500 --> 00:31:45.420
on the following topics, uh, sexual devaluation of the female,
574
00:31:45.809 --> 00:31:52.130
female shyness, sexual devaluation of the male, Premature ejaculation. Rejection
575
00:31:52.190 --> 00:32:00.210
of sperm. Incestuous desires. Mother-daughter symbiosis. Mother-son symbiosis. He's got
576
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:02.140
magical tips for all of this.
577
00:32:02.180 --> 00:32:05.500
Can we read the premature ejaculation for Thomas, please?
578
00:32:06.039 --> 00:32:06.799
What did he say about that?
579
00:32:06.940 --> 00:32:09.180
Yeah, you know, it's funny. I did just get that
580
00:32:09.259 --> 00:32:11.799
comment in the Zoom. I was going to keep that quiet,
581
00:32:11.900 --> 00:32:12.660
you know, because we were.
582
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:14.920
I mean, just you saying it made me come.
583
00:32:14.940 --> 00:32:18.240
Ha ha ha! Thomas wanted us to read it because
584
00:32:18.259 --> 00:32:22.119
he was afraid that would happen. Let's read that.
585
00:32:22.299 --> 00:32:23.619
And you're sure this is by him?
586
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:27.460
Yeah, this is by Jodorowsky. This was something, one of
587
00:32:27.500 --> 00:32:30.259
his projects he worked on in his 80s, it seems,
588
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:32.380
because the book came out in 2015.
589
00:32:32.380 --> 00:32:36.519
Also look at chapter 12, Mothers Who Criticize by Telephone.
590
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:39.880
This really just sounds like a list of the thoughts
591
00:32:39.940 --> 00:32:41.680
that just plague him constantly.
592
00:32:41.700 --> 00:32:43.680
Yeah, I was about to say, he's giving advice.
593
00:32:46.660 --> 00:32:49.240
But who's the advice for? It seems like he's the
594
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:50.160
only one thinking about something.
595
00:32:50.180 --> 00:32:51.720
It's a little bit of a projection. So there is
596
00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:55.200
a movie called Psychomagic, a Healing Art from 2019. It
597
00:32:55.339 --> 00:32:59.480
looks like it's a documentary or a movie where he
598
00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:03.119
unveils his theory of trauma therapy. So this dude just
599
00:33:03.160 --> 00:33:05.660
sounds like he's got some sort of issues he's been
600
00:33:05.700 --> 00:33:06.930
working on his entire life.
601
00:33:07.630 --> 00:33:11.549
Well, that scene about the kid having to bury the
602
00:33:11.589 --> 00:33:13.950
teddy bear and bury the picture of his mom when
603
00:33:13.990 --> 00:33:16.700
he turns seven... I mean, the way that I see that,
604
00:33:17.059 --> 00:33:21.200
it's being forced, right? That's not a natural progression from
605
00:33:21.259 --> 00:33:25.099
a child into a man. That's like, okay, like from
606
00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:27.640
now going forward, you have to be a man now.
607
00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:32.829
And that almost seems like it would reflect a traumatic experience, right?
608
00:33:32.930 --> 00:33:36.809
Like going through a specific acute event and then saying
609
00:33:36.849 --> 00:33:40.829
like after that event, everything changes. It kind of seemed,
610
00:33:40.890 --> 00:33:42.109
and I guess that would be like panic.
611
00:33:42.769 --> 00:33:46.880
So if I'm understanding this correctly... Because it seems like, right,
612
00:33:46.900 --> 00:33:51.740
so psychomagic is, you know, in relation to shamanism, drawing
613
00:33:51.779 --> 00:33:55.859
from a lifelong study of philosophy, psychology, ethnology, and world religions,
614
00:33:56.359 --> 00:34:00.230
from Freud to shamans. So it almost seems like, right,
615
00:34:00.269 --> 00:34:03.089
with suffering, almost like the, was Jardowski trying to become
616
00:34:03.130 --> 00:34:05.410
a superhero through trauma? Because, you know, it seems like
617
00:34:05.430 --> 00:34:09.030
a lot of these movies, all these superheroes develop their
618
00:34:09.070 --> 00:34:12.170
powers based on, like, the trauma that they've gone through, right? Like,
619
00:34:12.329 --> 00:34:13.190
that's part of their.
620
00:34:13.070 --> 00:34:13.949
Transformation, right?
621
00:34:14.349 --> 00:34:20.469
And it's almost like the Ubermensch. Hold on. Hold on.
622
00:34:21.570 --> 00:34:24.840
I'm sharing my screen. The video audience might have read ahead,
623
00:34:25.059 --> 00:34:31.900
but his advice for anyone, not just Thomas, who's experiencing
624
00:34:31.980 --> 00:34:37.869
premature ejaculation is as follows. The man affected must use
625
00:34:37.909 --> 00:34:42.610
a stopwatch to precisely measure the usual duration of coitus.
626
00:34:43.090 --> 00:34:46.699
For example... Perhaps it takes him six or eight seconds
627
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:49.159
to ejaculate. Six or eight seconds.
628
00:34:49.179 --> 00:34:49.880
Damn, that's rough.
629
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:51.280
That's crazy.
630
00:34:51.820 --> 00:34:57.340
Once the time is established, the consultant should make a
631
00:34:57.400 --> 00:35:03.699
decision to exceed his record and under strict measurement ejaculate
632
00:35:04.010 --> 00:35:04.949
half the time.
633
00:35:05.449 --> 00:35:08.489
If it is six seconds, then three. If it is eight,
634
00:35:08.789 --> 00:35:12.150
then four. Yes, you're reading that correctly. He wants you
635
00:35:12.250 --> 00:35:14.730
to ejaculate even.
636
00:35:14.610 --> 00:35:19.210
Faster once challenge accepted.
637
00:35:18.679 --> 00:35:23.579
The voluntary dive into failure will force the unconscious to
638
00:35:23.780 --> 00:35:26.880
fail in an attempt to fail so look at that
639
00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:28.219
so all you have to do.
640
00:35:28.500 --> 00:35:30.769
Read that last part though read that last part that last.
641
00:35:31.329 --> 00:35:35.829
The voluntary dive into failure will force the unconscious to
642
00:35:35.949 --> 00:35:40.739
fail in an attempt to fail so so You're so
643
00:35:40.780 --> 00:35:42.860
hung up. He's saying you're so hung up on the
644
00:35:42.940 --> 00:35:46.219
idea of failing that if you just lean in even
645
00:35:46.340 --> 00:35:49.960
harder to being the worst lay your wife or girlfriend
646
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:53.699
or one night stand has ever experienced, you might actually
647
00:35:53.739 --> 00:35:55.750
be able to turn the tables around. So here's a
648
00:35:55.789 --> 00:35:58.050
personal endorsement from someone who read this book.
649
00:35:59.610 --> 00:36:01.449
Whatever happened to just thinking about baseball?
650
00:36:03.190 --> 00:36:03.929
That doesn't work.
651
00:36:05.130 --> 00:36:07.860
He says, a person to whom I gave this practice
652
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:11.320
told me the next day, regretfully, fucking my wife and
653
00:36:11.380 --> 00:36:14.099
trying to reach an orgasm in half the usual time.
654
00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:20.559
I worked for a half hour, but couldn't ejaculate. He
655
00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:23.920
had the opposite problem this time for this guy. So
656
00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:27.980
there's Jordowski giving you his, his seal of approval.
657
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:29.780
I think it's on the back of the book as
658
00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:30.599
a selling point.
659
00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:38.329
Yeah. His buddy, Greg endorsement of the book. But yeah,
660
00:36:38.429 --> 00:36:41.389
I mean, did you see how many chapters there are?
661
00:36:41.530 --> 00:36:42.289
I mean, he's giving.
662
00:36:42.309 --> 00:36:44.329
Yeah, it's getting good, though. Go scroll down. Scroll down.
663
00:36:44.670 --> 00:36:45.369
It's getting really good.
664
00:36:45.809 --> 00:36:47.309
Sperm surgery.
665
00:36:47.469 --> 00:36:47.789
Yeah.
666
00:36:48.070 --> 00:36:48.909
Read that.
667
00:36:49.050 --> 00:36:52.449
This is about women, I imagine, who aren't getting pregnant.
668
00:36:52.730 --> 00:36:53.090
No, no, no.
669
00:36:53.110 --> 00:36:53.519
Just read it.
670
00:36:54.869 --> 00:36:57.800
Okay. I don't know if I want to read it.
671
00:36:57.820 --> 00:36:58.239
Just read it.
672
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:01.840
Just because one, you know, we're friends and I know
673
00:37:01.900 --> 00:37:04.239
you'd never lead me straight one. I know you care.
674
00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:05.320
Oh, it's funny, dude.
675
00:37:05.579 --> 00:37:11.039
Reputation. During a meditation workshop, I asked every male participant
676
00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:15.900
to concentrate on his penis. Being aware of his feelings,
677
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:20.449
enter through the urethra and go to his testicles. Once there,
678
00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:23.809
I asked each man to describe what was contained there.
679
00:37:24.389 --> 00:37:28.849
I obtained some surprising responses. One person said, I feel
680
00:37:28.889 --> 00:37:35.130
they are full of shit. Another, disgusting matter. Imagine that
681
00:37:35.170 --> 00:37:40.519
was a British person. and another a poisonous jelly. Searching
682
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:43.380
for the cause of these unpleasant feelings, I found that
683
00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:46.780
the majority of the men who felt this way were
684
00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:50.400
born to mothers who had been tricked or abused by men.
685
00:37:51.019 --> 00:37:55.420
These mothers had begat children for whom they sacrificed their lives.
686
00:37:55.940 --> 00:38:00.159
The women had had multiple abortions or painful deliveries or
687
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:04.039
had been abandoned. To such women, the sperm become a
688
00:38:04.099 --> 00:38:09.380
hideous danger. The son, upon sensing this maternal regret, grows
689
00:38:09.659 --> 00:38:11.659
up detesting his own semen.
690
00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:13.880
I don't think I've ever felt a certain way towards
691
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:17.269
my semen. I don't think that's... But again, I don't.
692
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:20.750
If you've never sipped your own juice, then you detest
693
00:38:20.769 --> 00:38:21.469
your semen, too.
694
00:38:23.909 --> 00:38:27.110
That scene in Fight Club where they're trying to teach
695
00:38:27.170 --> 00:38:29.690
Meatloaf how to deal or with Edward Norton how to
696
00:38:29.769 --> 00:38:33.230
deal with his cancer that he doesn't actually have. And
697
00:38:33.250 --> 00:38:35.570
you like go into your cave. That's kind of what
698
00:38:35.610 --> 00:38:38.090
I envision, right? Like if you were to visualize going
699
00:38:38.289 --> 00:38:41.989
into your urethra and then inside your testicles, what would
700
00:38:42.050 --> 00:38:45.300
you see? Like I see a cave with a little penguin.
701
00:38:47.969 --> 00:38:51.030
Thomas is playing Club Penguin inside his urethra?
702
00:38:51.050 --> 00:38:51.329
Okay.
703
00:38:51.909 --> 00:38:52.409
Interesting.
704
00:38:52.590 --> 00:38:52.800
Hold on.
705
00:38:52.820 --> 00:38:55.360
It gets better, though. No archetype is more powerful than
706
00:38:55.380 --> 00:38:58.179
that of the mother. Just as her love that awakens
707
00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:01.219
us is great, the terror it can inspire is just
708
00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:03.699
as great. For the inner child, she is all-powerful. However,
709
00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:05.780
there is a unique archetype that is more powerful than
710
00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:09.269
the mother. It is the Virgin Mary or her derivatives
711
00:39:09.329 --> 00:39:12.789
such as the different saints. Even if we are non-believers,
712
00:39:12.869 --> 00:39:15.590
our unconscious bestows magic power to saints.
713
00:39:15.630 --> 00:39:16.119
So check this out.
714
00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:21.440
The consultant should buy a church candle and taking care
715
00:39:21.500 --> 00:39:24.489
to preserve the wick. Melt the wax into a container,
716
00:39:24.510 --> 00:39:27.519
then masturbate in the presence of a photographer of his mother,
717
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:31.699
a photograph of his mother, and ejaculate in the candle container,
718
00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:35.000
mixing the melted wax with the vital matter.
719
00:39:35.900 --> 00:39:36.679
Hold on.
720
00:39:36.699 --> 00:39:38.340
Bro, what? Dude.
721
00:39:38.380 --> 00:39:40.760
Wait, is this like a trick? Like he like gets
722
00:39:40.780 --> 00:39:42.349
you to do this one and then he's like, well,
723
00:39:42.809 --> 00:39:45.690
now that you've had incestuous thoughts, let me take you
724
00:39:45.750 --> 00:39:48.789
over to my other chapter where I address just that.
725
00:39:49.309 --> 00:39:50.570
What is he going to have you do if you
726
00:39:50.610 --> 00:39:55.730
have incestuous thoughts? That's crazy. I, I, I, that's okay.
727
00:39:55.769 --> 00:40:02.480
Thomas in all of your ritual, uh, initiated. Has anyone
728
00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:05.599
ever asked you to masturbate to a photograph of your
729
00:40:05.739 --> 00:40:06.260
own mother?
730
00:40:07.260 --> 00:40:10.440
That's what, that's like first degree. I think masonry, that's
731
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:13.159
not even second or third degree. You kidding me?
732
00:40:13.179 --> 00:40:15.420
This is like, they're like, make sure that they have
733
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:17.659
no poisonous jelly between their legs.
734
00:40:17.699 --> 00:40:21.550
When you, Some of us are so spiritually advanced that
735
00:40:21.590 --> 00:40:23.409
when I went to join the Masons and they asked
736
00:40:23.449 --> 00:40:26.030
me if I had ejaculated to a picture of my mom,
737
00:40:26.050 --> 00:40:27.679
I was like, I did that in the car on
738
00:40:27.699 --> 00:40:31.099
the way here without you even asking me to do it. Like,
739
00:40:31.139 --> 00:40:33.119
that's how much we're on the same level.
740
00:40:33.139 --> 00:40:35.780
So check this out. So after you ejaculate into the
741
00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:39.010
candle container, mixing the melted wax with the vital material,
742
00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:42.369
once the wax hardens, he takes his candle to a temple.
743
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:44.820
places at the feet of a statue or painting of
744
00:40:44.860 --> 00:40:47.360
the Virgin Mary, of the Virgin, lights it, and leaves
745
00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:51.119
it there to burn away. After this act, the consultant's
746
00:40:51.260 --> 00:40:54.309
unconscious will accept that his sperm has been cleansed of
747
00:40:54.489 --> 00:40:57.190
any maternal hex and is now purified and blessed.
748
00:40:57.610 --> 00:41:00.170
Okay, but can I do all that without wanking it
749
00:41:00.230 --> 00:41:01.739
to a picture of my.
750
00:41:01.750 --> 00:41:04.610
No, you have to, bro. You don't understand the magic, dude.
751
00:41:04.659 --> 00:41:05.139
You have to do that.
752
00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:08.639
Like my great-great-great-grandmother? Like someone I have never... Like a
753
00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:10.300
woman I have never met before?
754
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:14.150
The fact that you could... ejaculate to a photograph of
755
00:41:14.170 --> 00:41:17.369
your mom. That, that shows some sort of mental fortitude
756
00:41:17.429 --> 00:41:18.809
that I could never possess.
757
00:41:19.610 --> 00:41:21.489
Let's pull, let's pull up the chapter. We can help
758
00:41:21.539 --> 00:41:25.000
you out. We can get you on the page. I'm
759
00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:26.559
sure he's got a chapter on that.
760
00:41:26.619 --> 00:41:30.650
It's literally the next chapter incestuous desires. I knew it.
761
00:41:30.769 --> 00:41:34.400
He's, this is, you know, And it's funny because his
762
00:41:34.460 --> 00:41:37.599
approach is like, there's something wrong with you if you
763
00:41:37.699 --> 00:41:40.340
don't have incestuous desires, and here's how to fix that.
764
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:42.099
Yeah. Right.
765
00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:45.190
This is a cure-all. It might as well be in
766
00:41:45.230 --> 00:41:50.130
the Farmer's Almanac, folks. Okay. Do we need to read
767
00:41:50.210 --> 00:41:52.630
chapter six? I feel like this is one that you
768
00:41:52.650 --> 00:41:53.949
just leave people the link to.
769
00:41:53.989 --> 00:41:56.900
Well, I want to point out this book is a
770
00:41:56.960 --> 00:41:59.699
good example, which I think about as movies too. And
771
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:01.860
I guess I think about a lot of magic in general.
772
00:42:02.099 --> 00:42:05.860
And that's that they're saying all these like really extreme
773
00:42:05.940 --> 00:42:08.969
things and then they're framing it like, and this is
774
00:42:09.030 --> 00:42:12.170
part of that magic ritual. In my heart of hearts,
775
00:42:12.750 --> 00:42:16.809
I think that people want to do the extreme sick parts.
776
00:42:16.849 --> 00:42:18.289
They want to kill animals. They want to do all
777
00:42:18.309 --> 00:42:21.650
these other things. And then they just want to justify
778
00:42:21.710 --> 00:42:25.119
it and make it seem like they're not just a degenerate. Like, oh,
779
00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:29.739
I'm doing this to raise my frequency, essentially. I'm going
780
00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:32.639
to become an ascended master if I do these things.
781
00:42:32.679 --> 00:42:34.619
I don't want to do the things. I think it's
782
00:42:34.659 --> 00:42:36.900
the opposite, right? I think they want to do these things,
783
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:39.420
and then they have to explain it as if it's
784
00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:41.909
like a high society art project.
785
00:42:42.219 --> 00:42:45.010
Can we go to Eczema, page 33, please?
786
00:42:45.699 --> 00:42:47.380
You want to do... Okay, hold on.
787
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:49.280
Yeah, let's see what all that's all about. I mean,
788
00:42:49.300 --> 00:42:51.239
this guy is on some stuff, bro.
789
00:42:51.699 --> 00:42:53.340
I was going to say, while we're at it, we
790
00:42:53.380 --> 00:42:56.510
might as well look up heroin addiction in case there's.
791
00:42:56.719 --> 00:42:59.969
If you went to your doctor's office, your general practitioner,
792
00:43:00.010 --> 00:43:02.190
and you see this book on a shelf... Run.
793
00:43:03.610 --> 00:43:04.090
Run.
794
00:43:05.409 --> 00:43:05.670
Okay.
795
00:43:05.909 --> 00:43:07.949
Would you say eczema? I got a solution for you.
796
00:43:07.969 --> 00:43:11.070
You got eczema? Any chance you got a picture of
797
00:43:11.110 --> 00:43:11.860
your mom on you?
798
00:43:17.550 --> 00:43:21.059
Yeah right here on my phone okay uh chapter 17
799
00:43:21.059 --> 00:43:26.039
eczema at times due to issues of psychological nature skin
800
00:43:26.079 --> 00:43:29.960
problems can arise these are actually a request for caress
801
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:33.460
not obtained during childhood oh these problems indicate that the
802
00:43:33.539 --> 00:43:37.260
sufferer lacked the needed care from some of his or
803
00:43:37.340 --> 00:43:40.769
her loved ones these allergic reactions may be due to
804
00:43:40.829 --> 00:43:44.909
requests or rejections To a consultant who has suffered an
805
00:43:44.989 --> 00:43:48.250
outbreak on the left side, I ask, on what side
806
00:43:48.289 --> 00:43:52.090
does your spouse sleep? One consultant said the left, and
807
00:43:52.150 --> 00:43:54.889
I advised him to have his wife sleep on the
808
00:43:54.949 --> 00:43:58.590
right side. He did this. The outbreak disappeared on the
809
00:43:58.630 --> 00:44:01.670
left side, but appeared on the right side. This is
810
00:44:01.750 --> 00:44:06.409
a case of rejection due to a lack of proper communication.
811
00:44:07.349 --> 00:44:10.570
The anger and grudges that are not verbalized can transform
812
00:44:11.239 --> 00:44:15.820
into eczema. As for the needed attention, a celebrated French
813
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:19.719
guru consulted with me after... Here he goes again, bragging again.
814
00:44:20.179 --> 00:44:23.929
A celebrated French guru consulted with me after his recent
815
00:44:23.989 --> 00:44:28.670
marriage to a much younger, she could have been his daughter, disciple...
816
00:44:28.309 --> 00:44:32.210
This is in parentheses. He's kind of talking shop with
817
00:44:32.269 --> 00:44:36.719
us here. Disciple whose mother had raised her alone. This
818
00:44:36.780 --> 00:44:41.230
mother suffered from... her daughter's departure and from her daughter's
819
00:44:41.329 --> 00:44:44.789
marriage to a man better suited in age, be her father.
820
00:44:45.289 --> 00:44:47.909
She was not able to express her jealousy and rage
821
00:44:47.949 --> 00:44:54.349
towards this generous and impeccable guru, however, and eczema manifested
822
00:44:54.510 --> 00:44:57.710
in the palms of both her hands. The guru asked
823
00:44:57.750 --> 00:45:01.340
me for advice and I recommended the consultant and the
824
00:45:01.389 --> 00:45:04.920
young wife in front of the mother should spit into
825
00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:08.559
a bit of green clay powder. and make a paste
826
00:45:08.619 --> 00:45:12.219
with it. Then apply it to the mother's infected palms.
827
00:45:13.050 --> 00:45:17.590
Satisfied with the couple's tenderness, the mother healed. Interesting.
828
00:45:18.090 --> 00:45:20.869
I just love this book. It's like quick, short little snippets,
829
00:45:20.909 --> 00:45:25.010
and it's like, oh, I've got a premature ejaculation. Yeah,
830
00:45:25.090 --> 00:45:27.679
page 22. Let me read about it. And then you
831
00:45:27.820 --> 00:45:31.199
read Drodowski's work, and you're like, oh, thank goodness I'm healed.
832
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:34.900
And that was it, you know? Look at this. What's agro.
833
00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:37.780
Agoraphobia, what is that?
834
00:45:38.090 --> 00:45:38.630
He's got.
835
00:45:38.989 --> 00:45:45.469
Agoraphobia, it's the germs. Agoraphobia is germs? I thought it
836
00:45:45.530 --> 00:45:47.070
was being afraid to go outside.
837
00:45:47.309 --> 00:45:50.489
No, it says intense fear of situations where escape might
838
00:45:50.530 --> 00:45:54.530
be difficult or help unavailable, such as crowded places or.
839
00:45:56.429 --> 00:46:00.949
Agoraphobia, an anxiety disorder. Huh.
840
00:46:01.829 --> 00:46:06.079
Well, here he seems to be addressing the problem as
841
00:46:06.139 --> 00:46:09.579
it's commonly known, which is when someone's not able to
842
00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:14.619
leave their home. I think that's the general definition of it.
843
00:46:15.820 --> 00:46:18.260
I don't know. I feel like there's probably something more
844
00:46:18.349 --> 00:46:21.909
interesting than that. I mean, given that he started off
845
00:46:21.989 --> 00:46:27.289
with the bangers, maybe there's something tucked away. I mean,
846
00:46:27.329 --> 00:46:31.650
he is pretty ambitious. Nicotine addiction, heroin addiction, and alcoholism.
847
00:46:31.710 --> 00:46:34.070
Go ahead and read nicotine addiction. I'm suffering from that.
848
00:46:34.090 --> 00:46:35.260
So let's go ahead and read that. See what I
849
00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:35.619
got to do.
850
00:46:36.289 --> 00:46:40.619
Are you now? I might not be. Maybe I am.
851
00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:44.039
Let's see. When a consultant is prey to an addiction,
852
00:46:44.119 --> 00:46:49.300
it is impossible to detach from it if they do
853
00:46:49.900 --> 00:46:53.389
not wish to do so. When the consultant does wish
854
00:46:53.429 --> 00:46:56.929
to do so, he needs or they need an enormous
855
00:46:57.030 --> 00:47:00.630
willpower to achieve it. After first trying to reduce as
856
00:47:00.690 --> 00:47:04.690
much as possible the daily quantity of cigarettes, the consultant
857
00:47:04.730 --> 00:47:09.449
should achieve this in 22 days by following this exercise.
858
00:47:10.409 --> 00:47:15.360
The consultant sleeps only four hours each night, placing a
859
00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:19.139
vessel full of water and rubber gloves near his bed. Uh-oh.
860
00:47:19.500 --> 00:47:21.019
I don't like the way that sounds.
861
00:47:21.900 --> 00:47:25.000
Rubber gloves and some water. Do not stick your hand
862
00:47:25.159 --> 00:47:27.469
in the glass of water without the rubber gloves on.
863
00:47:27.829 --> 00:47:31.650
Pro tip. The consultant goes to bed at midnight and
864
00:47:31.710 --> 00:47:35.510
wakes up with an alarm clock at four in the morning.
865
00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:40.039
Upon opening his eyes, the consultant covers his head with
866
00:47:40.099 --> 00:47:44.409
a sheet and sticking an arm out of one side,
867
00:47:44.590 --> 00:47:48.869
takes the wet rubber gloves and rubs them over his
868
00:47:48.949 --> 00:47:53.309
entire body. Then, covered like that, he leaves the little
869
00:47:53.349 --> 00:47:56.780
bit of remaining water to evaporate. He gets up and
870
00:47:56.840 --> 00:48:00.719
takes a cold shower. The consultant should feel full of
871
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:05.409
new energy with a thick felt-tip pen He writes on
872
00:48:05.590 --> 00:48:09.329
one side of a packet of cigarettes. No. And on
873
00:48:09.369 --> 00:48:13.599
the other side, I can. He eats a Jap at
874
00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:17.159
a Japanese restaurant and keeps the chopsticks to cut them
875
00:48:17.260 --> 00:48:20.039
into pieces. That's not a cigarette.
876
00:48:20.420 --> 00:48:21.039
That's okay.
877
00:48:21.989 --> 00:48:24.030
And puts them in a, you can go to a
878
00:48:24.050 --> 00:48:27.329
Chinese food restaurant to anywhere. You can get chopsticks these days.
879
00:48:27.349 --> 00:48:28.300
You can get them at a big Y.
880
00:48:28.289 --> 00:48:28.510
Okay.
881
00:48:28.530 --> 00:48:34.519
So anyway, You take the chopsticks, you cut them into
882
00:48:34.539 --> 00:48:38.139
the pieces to be the size of a cigarette. Then
883
00:48:38.179 --> 00:48:41.139
you put them in a package with a little bottle
884
00:48:41.260 --> 00:48:46.409
full of blessed water. Each time the consultant wants to smoke,
885
00:48:46.849 --> 00:48:49.670
he takes out a little piece of stick, wets it
886
00:48:49.769 --> 00:48:55.130
in the blessed water, and sucks it until the desire passes. Okay,
887
00:48:55.309 --> 00:48:57.760
so just suck a chopstick, Juan, if you have an issue.
888
00:48:57.800 --> 00:48:58.400
Yeah.
889
00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:01.539
No excuses now. You've got the solution. No excuses, bro.
890
00:49:02.409 --> 00:49:06.210
Well, and if that doesn't do the trick, the consultant
891
00:49:06.250 --> 00:49:11.539
still may feel incapable of quitting. The consultant should demonstrate
892
00:49:11.659 --> 00:49:16.449
to his unconscious how harmful the habit is. To accomplish this,
893
00:49:16.750 --> 00:49:20.219
he must do the following. What the hell? the consultant
894
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:24.340
makes wax dolls of his loved ones on each doll
895
00:49:24.460 --> 00:49:27.940
he glues some hair and fingernails of his loved ones
896
00:49:28.619 --> 00:49:32.260
each time during the day that the consultant smokes he
897
00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:35.739
draws a line in a booklet upon returning to his
898
00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:40.239
home the consultant counts the lines and then sticks pins
899
00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:44.719
with black heads into the dolls, one pin for each
900
00:49:44.820 --> 00:49:49.840
cigarette smoked. Even if the consultant is a rational person
901
00:49:49.960 --> 00:49:54.099
free of superstition, this act of witchcraft will be accepted
902
00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:58.119
by the unconscious as real harm to loved ones. Little
903
00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:02.570
by little, sequestered by guilt, the consultant will quit smoking.
904
00:50:03.010 --> 00:50:05.980
So then, After removing the pins and burying them in
905
00:50:06.019 --> 00:50:08.659
a potted plant that will remain in the consultant's home,
906
00:50:09.099 --> 00:50:12.780
he melts each doll into heart shapes and sends them
907
00:50:12.940 --> 00:50:16.079
as gifts to loved ones. Oh, isn't that sweet? You
908
00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:19.860
take your little satanic witchcraft and melt it down into
909
00:50:19.880 --> 00:50:23.719
a cute little heart with some chocolate. And that's that.
910
00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:25.019
You're done with smoking.
911
00:50:25.139 --> 00:50:31.769
I think that that's actually how Nestle creates their product. Yeah,
912
00:50:31.809 --> 00:50:34.630
those chocolate hearts you get, those were actually made out
913
00:50:34.670 --> 00:50:36.030
of melted voodoo dolls.
914
00:50:37.550 --> 00:50:38.010
Wow.
915
00:50:39.170 --> 00:50:42.130
I'm curious, have you guys ever come across the alternate
916
00:50:42.190 --> 00:50:47.300
explanation of voodoo dolls that really it was like an index?
917
00:50:47.489 --> 00:50:50.320
So let's say you're a doctor in your little grass hut,
918
00:50:50.739 --> 00:50:53.719
and people come in and they describe all the pains
919
00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:56.880
they have in their body, and that the shaman would
920
00:50:56.940 --> 00:51:01.030
put a pin... into those places. And like, here's Mark, like,
921
00:51:01.170 --> 00:51:03.860
like last time Mark came in, he was complaining about
922
00:51:03.880 --> 00:51:06.090
a pain in his neck and a pain in the sides.
923
00:51:06.110 --> 00:51:09.820
He'd go pin pin. And then when the explorers came,
924
00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:12.900
you know, the Christians came and they see these little
925
00:51:13.019 --> 00:51:16.199
voodoo dolls. They're like, Oh, they're using this for magic.
926
00:51:16.340 --> 00:51:19.619
But there's an alternate explanation that these were just like
927
00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:21.820
the patient records. And the way they kept the record
928
00:51:21.860 --> 00:51:24.719
was by putting a pin in all the different ailments.
929
00:51:26.219 --> 00:51:31.820
So this is from the, Appalachian mountains. Um, and it's
930
00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:36.380
basically like a modern day, what you're describing, which is yeah.
931
00:51:36.460 --> 00:51:37.900
Sympathy doll.
932
00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:40.719
You, you can get one to stop smoking even if
933
00:51:40.860 --> 00:51:41.639
one can't stop.
934
00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:42.690
Yeah.
935
00:51:42.710 --> 00:51:46.469
See, look now I know when I receive a melted
936
00:51:46.550 --> 00:51:49.610
heart in the mail from, from Mark, I know what
937
00:51:49.650 --> 00:51:51.289
he did. It was reading Jodowski again.
938
00:51:51.650 --> 00:51:54.960
If you have swollen knees, um, Or stiff joints. I
939
00:51:55.000 --> 00:51:57.960
can help you with that. Menopause. Ladies, hit me up.
940
00:51:58.440 --> 00:52:00.980
What about for the men, bro? You don't do anything
941
00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:01.480
for the gooch?
942
00:52:02.880 --> 00:52:08.170
Well, let's see. Saggy butt. We can fix a saggy butt. Aches.
943
00:52:08.570 --> 00:52:09.030
Pains.
944
00:52:09.389 --> 00:52:12.889
What else? A trick knee. If you do a lot
945
00:52:12.929 --> 00:52:16.599
of tricks on like skateboards, we got you. Trick knee.
946
00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:20.739
hemorrhoids one that's a man problem right there.
947
00:52:20.619 --> 00:52:24.460
Hemorrhoids in his shoulder he's gonna recommend a really good
948
00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:24.920
book for.
949
00:52:24.820 --> 00:52:27.199
You to read by jodorowsky kind of short he's kind
950
00:52:27.219 --> 00:52:33.510
of short okay sleeplessness stiff neck worry memory loss gray
951
00:52:33.570 --> 00:52:35.349
hair oh i need that one.
952
00:52:35.269 --> 00:52:37.809
So check this out during the completion of the holy
953
00:52:37.869 --> 00:52:44.570
mountain jodorowsky received spiritual training from oscar Istacho, which is
954
00:52:44.610 --> 00:52:50.010
a Bolivian philosopher and advocate of integral theory, of the
955
00:52:50.230 --> 00:52:53.969
Arica school, who encouraged him to take LSD and guided
956
00:52:53.989 --> 00:52:57.889
him through the subsequent psychedelic experience. Around the same time,
957
00:52:57.989 --> 00:53:02.730
the 2nd of November, 1973, Jorodowski participated in an isolation
958
00:53:02.789 --> 00:53:06.809
experiment conducted by John Lilly. So this dude was, he's
959
00:53:06.849 --> 00:53:09.130
kind of in the know, the guy, like the guys
960
00:53:09.150 --> 00:53:13.139
who pioneered pretty much, I mean, John Lilley was the
961
00:53:13.159 --> 00:53:14.539
guy who was talking to dolphins, right?
962
00:53:15.260 --> 00:53:16.800
Yeah, John C. Lilley. And then he was the one
963
00:53:16.820 --> 00:53:20.469
that was talking about AI versus Echo. And that's where
964
00:53:20.489 --> 00:53:23.170
you get Echo the Dolphin and all that. So we're
965
00:53:23.190 --> 00:53:26.510
talking AI. These guys are on the level of understanding
966
00:53:26.550 --> 00:53:29.190
what AI was, even in the 60s and 70s.
967
00:53:29.780 --> 00:53:31.320
So they were far ahead of their time, is that
968
00:53:31.340 --> 00:53:32.480
what you're saying then, Thomas, right?
969
00:53:33.539 --> 00:53:36.199
I mean, yeah, they were tapping into something that was
970
00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:37.500
from the future, I feel like.
971
00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:45.809
Hmm. So, Jodorowsky, who had discovered feminism during the filming
972
00:53:45.849 --> 00:53:48.820
of The Holy Mountain, refused to make the film, going
973
00:53:48.860 --> 00:53:51.380
so far to leave the country to escape directing duties.
974
00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:56.539
This is after he was asked. So, Alan Kleen, which
975
00:53:56.599 --> 00:54:01.619
is the guy, I guess, the Lenin's manager, demanded that
976
00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:05.940
Jodorowsky create a film adaptation of Pauline Regis' classic novel
977
00:54:05.980 --> 00:54:12.409
of female masochism, Story of Owe. which is a French
978
00:54:12.489 --> 00:54:18.179
text public published in 1954. And, um, yeah, he refused
979
00:54:18.219 --> 00:54:21.960
that because he had discovered feminism and retaliation.
980
00:54:21.980 --> 00:54:24.340
This is the CIA at work, right? First you meet
981
00:54:24.380 --> 00:54:27.030
John C. Lilly. So now you're on the radar and
982
00:54:27.050 --> 00:54:29.550
then the CIA puts feminism in your brain. And then
983
00:54:29.590 --> 00:54:31.969
you go and you change all of the art and
984
00:54:31.989 --> 00:54:34.150
the magic that you had originally started with. Like this
985
00:54:34.210 --> 00:54:36.590
is all just CIA poisoning the well.
986
00:54:36.829 --> 00:54:39.989
Well, dude, this Alan clean guy was so petty. He goes,
987
00:54:40.409 --> 00:54:43.809
In retaliation, Alan Kleen made El Topo and the Holy Mountain,
988
00:54:43.869 --> 00:54:47.190
to which he held the rights, completely unavailable to the
989
00:54:47.230 --> 00:54:51.489
public for more than 30 years. Jordowski frequently decried Klein's
990
00:54:51.650 --> 00:54:54.110
actions in interviews. So this dude was like, all right,
991
00:54:54.190 --> 00:54:55.989
you're not going to make the movie for me? I'm
992
00:54:56.010 --> 00:54:59.039
going to make the movie disappear for 30 years. What
993
00:54:59.099 --> 00:55:00.340
year was... Hold on.
994
00:55:01.400 --> 00:55:04.099
Yeah, I think these films have only been available to
995
00:55:04.159 --> 00:55:06.500
watch within the last 10 or so years.
996
00:55:06.679 --> 00:55:07.119
Really?
997
00:55:07.139 --> 00:55:07.219
Yeah.
998
00:55:08.429 --> 00:55:10.710
Outside of if you actually saw it or like some
999
00:55:10.829 --> 00:55:12.090
crazy bootleg. Yeah.
1000
00:55:12.150 --> 00:55:12.250
Whoa.
1001
00:55:12.489 --> 00:55:16.010
They've been like remastered and released for the first time,
1002
00:55:16.070 --> 00:55:16.389
I think.
1003
00:55:16.409 --> 00:55:18.090
That's kind of crazy.
1004
00:55:18.110 --> 00:55:20.190
Within the last 10 years. You could look it up.
1005
00:55:21.070 --> 00:55:23.800
I don't want to go too far from this book
1006
00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:28.059
because I don't know if you guys realize, but Jodorowsky,
1007
00:55:28.599 --> 00:55:32.900
he's got psychomagic recommendations for the entire world. So if
1008
00:55:32.940 --> 00:55:36.380
you need a political disappearance fixed, he's got a magic
1009
00:55:36.440 --> 00:55:39.730
trick for that. if there ever ends up being a
1010
00:55:39.829 --> 00:55:43.110
female Pope in Rome, he's got a trick.
1011
00:55:43.170 --> 00:55:44.789
I want to know, actually I do. We do need
1012
00:55:44.809 --> 00:55:46.210
to hear what that one's about.
1013
00:55:46.230 --> 00:55:51.039
Yeah. So also proposes an anti-Olympic game. Sorry, Juan, go ahead.
1014
00:55:51.019 --> 00:55:55.019
Real quick due to subsequent distribution disputes. The film was
1015
00:55:55.079 --> 00:55:58.860
largely pulled from public circulation for decades until it received
1016
00:55:58.900 --> 00:56:01.989
an official DVD release on May 1st, 2007 and a
1017
00:56:01.989 --> 00:56:03.110
Blu-ray release on April 26, 2000.
1018
00:56:03.090 --> 00:56:03.250
Yeah.
1019
00:56:03.269 --> 00:56:09.809
So it's, fairly recent and they filmed it in 1970. Oh, well,
1020
00:56:09.849 --> 00:56:13.389
they released it. They premiered it in May of 1973.
1021
00:56:13.389 --> 00:56:18.760
So for a long time, it was in a vault somewhere.
1022
00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:22.280
That's kind of, It was getting past. It was passed around.
1023
00:56:22.300 --> 00:56:24.599
But like if you knew John Lennon, he'd be like,
1024
00:56:24.659 --> 00:56:26.400
check this movie out and he'd put it on. You
1025
00:56:26.420 --> 00:56:28.519
know what I mean? So there were people that that
1026
00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:32.719
definitely had copies of this movie, but it wasn't public release.
1027
00:56:33.039 --> 00:56:35.139
And that was that was before anyone could leak it
1028
00:56:35.179 --> 00:56:38.019
on the Internet. So it actually stayed kind of hidden.
1029
00:56:38.719 --> 00:56:42.340
Yeah. One, you know, one, you ask about who did
1030
00:56:42.460 --> 00:56:46.550
Jodorowsky like? Was he in any cults? I imagine he
1031
00:56:46.570 --> 00:56:48.730
probably had a close circle of people who felt like
1032
00:56:48.750 --> 00:56:50.489
they were in a cult because he let them see
1033
00:56:50.530 --> 00:56:51.900
this movie when no one else.
1034
00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:55.940
No, I mean, was he into the occult? Not in
1035
00:56:56.059 --> 00:56:58.440
a cult. Which, again, probably wasn't.
1036
00:56:58.500 --> 00:57:01.280
That's what I mean. Oh, 100%. Yeah. Was he in
1037
00:57:01.300 --> 00:57:04.380
the occult? He was like feeding it. You know, he
1038
00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:06.880
was sort of elite. Like when I say Gurdjieff, I
1039
00:57:06.920 --> 00:57:10.110
think that he's sort of a Gurdjieff in the film
1040
00:57:10.130 --> 00:57:11.989
cinema world. You know what I mean? The same way
1041
00:57:12.030 --> 00:57:16.349
that– was it Jay Widener talks about how Stanley Kubrick
1042
00:57:17.030 --> 00:57:19.900
is like an alchemist and he uses– you know, the
1043
00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:23.019
film medium as his way of doing alchemy. I think
1044
00:57:23.039 --> 00:57:26.219
that that like Jodorowsky is very similar to that. Like
1045
00:57:26.260 --> 00:57:28.860
he's using film for his alchemy.
1046
00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:34.289
Whoa, dude. So this guy, hold on, hold on. Dune
1047
00:57:34.349 --> 00:57:38.230
and Tusk. This guy's kind of interesting. So in December, 1974,
1048
00:57:38.210 --> 00:57:41.349
a French consortium led by John Paul given purchase to
1049
00:57:41.389 --> 00:57:45.630
film rights to Frank Herbert's epic 1965 science. What's the
1050
00:57:45.670 --> 00:57:48.030
name of the documentary where he's making the Dune movie?
1051
00:57:48.050 --> 00:57:49.090
Do you know it, Thomas?
1052
00:57:50.239 --> 00:57:53.280
I think it's called Making Dune. Or it's like Making
1053
00:57:53.920 --> 00:57:55.219
Jodorowsky's Dune.
1054
00:57:55.559 --> 00:58:00.019
So Jodorowsky planned to cast the surrealist artist Salvador Dali
1055
00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:03.219
in what would have been his only speaking role as
1056
00:58:03.280 --> 00:58:08.619
a film actor in the role Emperor Shaddam IV. Dali
1057
00:58:08.659 --> 00:58:14.110
agreed when Jodorowsky offered to pay him a fee of $ 100, 000
1058
00:58:11.889 --> 00:58:16.690
per hour. He also planned to cast Orson Welles as
1059
00:58:16.789 --> 00:58:21.360
Baron Vladimir Harkonnen Wells only agreed when Jodorowsky offered to
1060
00:58:21.400 --> 00:58:24.159
get his favorite gourmet chef to prepare his meals for
1061
00:58:24.179 --> 00:58:29.389
him throughout the filming. So, yeah, this guy was.
1062
00:58:30.570 --> 00:58:32.750
Isn't it shocking that that movie never got made?
1063
00:58:32.769 --> 00:58:36.429
It would have been fire, bro. It would have been fire.
1064
00:58:36.469 --> 00:58:42.760
Yeah, it's called Jodorowsky's Dune, 2013. Highly recommended because it's
1065
00:58:42.820 --> 00:58:46.139
so wild, right? Because I've seen the Dune movies. Watching
1066
00:58:46.199 --> 00:58:49.809
a movie... about someone else wanting to make a movie
1067
00:58:49.829 --> 00:58:53.010
about dune is legitimately better than the actual dune movie
1068
00:58:53.070 --> 00:58:55.380
it's really hard to describe how but it is whoa.
1069
00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:02.639
So he's got a slasher film called santa sangre which
1070
00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:08.969
is 1989 surrealist psychological horror and um it featured protagonists
1071
00:59:09.010 --> 00:59:11.139
as a child saw his mother lose both her arms
1072
00:59:11.239 --> 00:59:13.860
and an adult let his own arms act as hers.
1073
00:59:14.980 --> 00:59:15.119
Whoa.
1074
00:59:15.139 --> 00:59:20.210
All right. Anyways. Yeah, this guy's... This is your first.
1075
00:59:20.489 --> 00:59:23.829
El Topo was your introduction to his whole work, which...
1076
00:59:24.730 --> 00:59:27.510
Makes sense because it was the first big one, followed
1077
00:59:27.530 --> 00:59:30.019
by Holy Mountain, followed by everything that came after it.
1078
00:59:30.489 --> 00:59:33.199
Yeah, I'd heard about him before, especially because of the
1079
00:59:33.219 --> 00:59:35.960
Holy Mountain, and I've seen snippets of the Holy Mountain.
1080
00:59:35.980 --> 00:59:38.800
It looks super trippy because it's got to do with alchemy,
1081
00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:42.219
but I never actually sat down and watched it. And
1082
00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:44.360
then I've heard about the frog scene and stuff like that.
1083
00:59:44.639 --> 00:59:48.639
Well, can we talk about the gunfighter scenes since we're
1084
00:59:48.659 --> 00:59:49.480
talking El Tovo?
1085
00:59:49.780 --> 00:59:50.530
Yeah, go ahead.
1086
00:59:50.610 --> 00:59:52.909
Before we do that, I just want to read one
1087
00:59:53.650 --> 00:59:56.070
or two more things from this book.
1088
00:59:56.880 --> 00:59:58.340
What problems are we solving today?
1089
00:59:58.360 --> 01:00:02.519
Well, if you're afraid you're going insane, the consultant should
1090
01:00:02.579 --> 01:00:05.719
make a hat lined with lead and use shoes with
1091
01:00:05.820 --> 01:00:09.260
soles made from the same heavy metal. The weight of
1092
01:00:09.320 --> 01:00:11.980
the hat and the shoes will force him to be
1093
01:00:12.079 --> 01:00:15.000
present with each step he takes and with each thought
1094
01:00:15.059 --> 01:00:18.260
he has. Beneath the hat, the consultant will put a
1095
01:00:18.340 --> 01:00:21.940
photograph of himself in which he is grinning like a madman.
1096
01:00:22.519 --> 01:00:25.960
The consultant walks around like that. Three days later, he
1097
01:00:26.039 --> 01:00:29.619
buries the shoes and the hat and plants a lavender
1098
01:00:29.679 --> 01:00:32.780
bush on top. Then he rolls up the photograph and
1099
01:00:32.860 --> 01:00:36.389
sends it to the sky by attaching it to three
1100
01:00:36.469 --> 01:00:40.730
helium balloons and letting go of the balloons in the air. So, yeah,
1101
01:00:40.769 --> 01:00:43.489
there you go. If your family thinks you're crazy, that's
1102
01:00:43.550 --> 01:00:44.710
what you do.
1103
01:00:45.559 --> 01:00:49.519
Give yourself lead poisoning and put what happens before they
1104
01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:52.480
invented balloons where you could just get helium. Like you
1105
01:00:52.500 --> 01:00:54.659
were just screwed. You would just have to be crazy forever.
1106
01:00:54.739 --> 01:00:57.820
And then it's actually the guy that invented the helium
1107
01:00:57.840 --> 01:01:00.630
balloon really solved schizophrenia. Right.
1108
01:01:00.769 --> 01:01:03.369
Well, and you know, yeah, that's the whole, you know,
1109
01:01:03.409 --> 01:01:06.510
talking to the birds things like, you know, you're trying
1110
01:01:06.550 --> 01:01:10.170
to convince them to take your, your picture up. But
1111
01:01:10.389 --> 01:01:13.570
back then it was probably just a crude drawing. Um,
1112
01:01:14.300 --> 01:01:17.340
so yeah, Like I was alluding to before, he's got
1113
01:01:17.380 --> 01:01:23.320
some recommendations for the entire world, but he wants there
1114
01:01:23.389 --> 01:01:27.510
to be an anti-Olympic Games where every country gets together
1115
01:01:27.570 --> 01:01:30.730
and gives each other awards without any uniforms or anything
1116
01:01:30.769 --> 01:01:34.210
like that. It's very thoughtful. And he also thinks that
1117
01:01:34.250 --> 01:01:37.519
through the internet, the majority of inhabitants on the planet
1118
01:01:37.579 --> 01:01:42.599
should agree to paint with permanent purple paint a seven-inch
1119
01:01:42.739 --> 01:01:46.730
wide line. This line, added to in length by people
1120
01:01:46.769 --> 01:01:50.880
of goodwill who desire world union, should circle the world.
1121
01:01:51.340 --> 01:01:54.619
The government of every nation should offer the paint for free.
1122
01:01:55.179 --> 01:01:58.300
At the small stretches of water, the line may circle it.
1123
01:01:58.840 --> 01:02:00.969
In the case of river, the line can go over
1124
01:02:01.030 --> 01:02:04.269
the bridge. The line in a symbolic way, painted on
1125
01:02:04.429 --> 01:02:07.570
three foot long pieces of wood, can cross the ocean
1126
01:02:07.630 --> 01:02:11.130
and be continued on the other side. Look at that, folks.
1127
01:02:11.190 --> 01:02:14.900
We can Just create one big purple line around the
1128
01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:20.139
entire planet. That kind of sounds like a big ritual.
1129
01:02:20.219 --> 01:02:21.400
I don't know about you, but.
1130
01:02:24.159 --> 01:02:27.559
It sounds pretty lame, to be honest. Yeah.
1131
01:02:27.599 --> 01:02:31.400
Check this out. So when Jorodowski's first feature film, Fondo
1132
01:02:31.440 --> 01:02:35.880
and Lise, premiered in the 1978 Acapulco Film Festival, the
1133
01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:38.860
screening was controversial and erupted into a riot due to
1134
01:02:38.900 --> 01:02:43.610
its graphic content. Jorodowski was... had to leave the theater
1135
01:02:43.630 --> 01:02:46.889
by sneaking outside to a waiting limousine. And when the
1136
01:02:46.949 --> 01:02:50.440
crowd outside the theater recognized him, the car was pelted
1137
01:02:50.460 --> 01:02:54.079
with rocks. So the following week, the film opened to
1138
01:02:54.159 --> 01:02:56.840
sell out crowds in Mexico city, but more fights broke
1139
01:02:56.940 --> 01:02:59.340
out and the film was banned by the Mexican government.
1140
01:02:59.980 --> 01:03:02.900
And Jodowski himself was nearly deported. And the controversy provided
1141
01:03:02.940 --> 01:03:06.380
a great deal of fodder for the Mexican newspapers. What
1142
01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:07.110
the hell was, I.
1143
01:03:08.619 --> 01:03:10.750
Mean, he's putting it all on the line when he's
1144
01:03:10.789 --> 01:03:13.489
doing this, right? So he, It's not just being like
1145
01:03:13.530 --> 01:03:17.849
an internet edgelord. This guy's actually making waves. And I
1146
01:03:18.989 --> 01:03:21.719
think it's interesting because even if you don't like his
1147
01:03:21.780 --> 01:03:23.280
body of work, when you actually sit down and you
1148
01:03:23.300 --> 01:03:26.840
watch his movies, but they help define the spectrum. And
1149
01:03:26.860 --> 01:03:29.119
then I bet you a lot of the movies that
1150
01:03:29.139 --> 01:03:32.420
you do like, they only exist because he sort of
1151
01:03:32.480 --> 01:03:35.739
expanded the confines of what people were doing before that.
1152
01:03:37.119 --> 01:03:41.980
Like I guess before, like you don't get GWAR without Jodorowsky. Yeah, yeah.
1153
01:03:42.019 --> 01:03:46.510
No. So apparently part of his inspirations, we've got some
1154
01:03:46.570 --> 01:03:49.070
notable names here that I want to talk about. We
1155
01:03:49.130 --> 01:03:54.409
have he has been described as an influence on such
1156
01:03:54.469 --> 01:03:59.190
figures as Marilyn Manson. We have Guillermo del Toro. We
1157
01:03:59.250 --> 01:04:02.449
have Eric Andre, which I found interesting because I just
1158
01:04:02.469 --> 01:04:04.719
seen a movie with him in it with him and
1159
01:04:06.400 --> 01:04:07.820
John Cena. I don't know if you guys saw it
1160
01:04:07.840 --> 01:04:11.710
was a Netflix movie. And then Kanye West at the
1161
01:04:11.750 --> 01:04:15.110
end of it. So, I mean, that's what people say
1162
01:04:15.159 --> 01:04:19.059
he has been described as influence because, I mean, I guess,
1163
01:04:19.260 --> 01:04:23.860
but not to this extent. I think that I wouldn't
1164
01:04:23.900 --> 01:04:27.300
put him in, well, maybe Kanye West a little bit, right?
1165
01:04:27.659 --> 01:04:28.860
Especially recently with his.
1166
01:04:29.780 --> 01:04:33.900
Yeah, man, because it's about using a creative medium. And
1167
01:04:33.920 --> 01:04:36.820
I guess now that movies and art and music all
1168
01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:39.309
sort of blend together, but like, He was one of
1169
01:04:39.329 --> 01:04:42.300
the first ones that was willing to go to jail
1170
01:04:42.360 --> 01:04:46.190
and willing to make controversy out of just pushing the
1171
01:04:46.230 --> 01:04:49.289
line as far as he could including you know doing
1172
01:04:49.329 --> 01:04:52.510
horrible things to people and animals on film in the
1173
01:04:52.550 --> 01:04:54.849
name of all this like no doing it knowing because
1174
01:04:54.869 --> 01:04:57.260
he even faces a death bro even that is all
1175
01:04:57.320 --> 01:05:00.659
staged right and that was also banned in every country
1176
01:05:00.719 --> 01:05:04.260
and that was marketed i think as being even worse
1177
01:05:04.340 --> 01:05:07.219
than anything that jodorowsky made but that was all fake
1178
01:05:07.460 --> 01:05:10.239
you know that was all actually fabricated and then you've
1179
01:05:10.280 --> 01:05:11.960
got this that looks fake but it's.
1180
01:05:11.880 --> 01:05:14.940
All real That wasn't a Jodorowsky movie, right? The Faces
1181
01:05:14.960 --> 01:05:15.219
of Death?
1182
01:05:16.119 --> 01:05:19.670
No, it was not. That was marketed as being all
1183
01:05:19.750 --> 01:05:24.489
real death and animals being tortured and all this. And
1184
01:05:24.550 --> 01:05:26.550
that it was supposed to be real, but it was
1185
01:05:26.880 --> 01:05:31.579
like 90% created. Like they actually had prosthetics and everything,
1186
01:05:31.619 --> 01:05:34.909
like hired actors and Yeah, that's what I'm saying is
1187
01:05:34.929 --> 01:05:39.809
like in Jodorowsky, it's almost like they have quote unquote actors.
1188
01:05:40.210 --> 01:05:41.690
But I feel like you just like take a bunch
1189
01:05:41.710 --> 01:05:44.829
of LSD, go kill some animals. I don't know. Make
1190
01:05:44.889 --> 01:05:47.309
out with that tranny and then we'll call it, you know,
1191
01:05:47.349 --> 01:05:49.280
a wrap. And that'll be like the first act of
1192
01:05:49.320 --> 01:05:51.500
the movie. And they just keep repeating that process.
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01:05:52.019 --> 01:05:55.300
What was that one movie? Is it Cannibal Holocaust where
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they had to? They took them to court and made
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the actors go in because they thought that they had
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witnessed the murders of actual people.
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Great marketing, man. That's how it used to be marketed.
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So it's a 1980 Italian cannibal horror film. And so
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let's see here. Additionally, the Blair Witch Project, et cetera,
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et cetera. So let me see if I can pull
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up the court case. I'm pretty sure it was this
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one where they made them go in. So critical response. And, however,
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citizens over the top, hypocrisy, interpretations. Let me see. Controversies.
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Okay.
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So, snuff film allegations. So, 10 days after this premiere
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in Milan was confiscated under the orders of the local magistrate. And, oh,
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rumors of the cannibal Holocaust murder trial often claim that
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the actors had signed contracts with the production, which ensured
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that they would not appear in any type of media,
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motion pictures, or commercials for one year following the film's release.
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Deodato himself has claimed this was the case. However, actor
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Car York has claimed... So, yeah, because supposedly they made
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him go and appear in court to... Say like, hey,
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we're not actually dead. Because the marketing was so strong.
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Because they had pre-planned to have them do a complete
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blackout to feed into this idea that they actually died
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during the filming. You want the media to say it's
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a snuff film, and now it's banned, and now people
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01:07:29.489 --> 01:07:31.690
know what the hell... Because if you actually see the movie,
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it's not like you would ever watch it because someone
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recommended it because it's a good movie. It's just because
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of the controversy around it.
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Yeah, so right here... Dale Dotto said in interviews that
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magistrates had actually suspected him of murder and that he
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avoided being charged by asking cast members to appear in
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court with at least bar Beresichi appearing. Have you ever
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seen this movie, bro?
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Cannibal Holocaust? Yeah.
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I mean, it's not that crazy, right?
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If you were to watch it and then pretend like
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this is the first time you've ever seen anything like
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this and these movies don't even exist. then I could
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see it being extreme. But if you've seen Hostel, right,
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then you've probably seen just as bad. I think they
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tried to say that there was a movie that was
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made maybe 10 years ago where a bunch of people
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go into the Amazon and it's sort of the spiritual
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successor to Cannibal Holocaust. But I'm saying that modern Hollywood movies,
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we already get that level of gore if you go
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into that kind of movie. And it looks and it
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looks more real now.
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Right.
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And it's more visceral. And they've got like the sound
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effects that play into it. Like when you see Cannibal Holocaust,
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01:08:44.529 --> 01:08:47.750
it just looks like a very amateur movie with really
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bad special effects. But for the time, you know, people
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believe that the again, like Dr. Strangelove, there were people like, wow,
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that guy really fell out of a plane riding a bomb.
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That's crazy.
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Yeah the green inferno was another one green inferno there.
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You go and that was remade recently too.
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Oh really was it on was it the guy with
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uh the guy from harry potter is that the one
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i'm thinking about.
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I know that Green Inferno has been linked to Cannibal Holocaust,
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but that one was remade, I think, like a decade ago.
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No, 2013, so it's not the one I'm thinking about.
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Let me see if I've seen this one. Yes, I've
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seen this one, too. Yes, I've seen it. I think
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it was on Netflix not too long ago or something
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like that.
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Honestly, that was like the trifecta. It would be Green Inferno,
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Cannibal Holocaust, and Faces of Death. And very rarely would
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you hear a Jodorowsky movie come up because his is
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more about animals being hurt and doing things for magic.
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You know what I mean? And like really artsy. These
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other movies, there's no alchemical. I mean, maybe there is,
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but I don't think there's any alchemical transformation or tarot
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deck magic going on. So like there's definitely a strong
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eye for aesthetic. And Jodorowsky, again, even if you don't
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like all the magic and the sacrifice and the torture
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going on. It looks interesting as hell. Like a lot
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of the scenes have an aesthetic quality to them that
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other amateurs were not hitting. If they were trying to
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be edgy to get the audience, but Jodorowsky, he was
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just like throwing the edge on because he thought that
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that was important. That was like this magical performance. And
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then in addition to that, he also had a really
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good eye.
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Yeah. It's almost like the, the, the director Crowley of
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his time a little bit, right. Where Crowley was like
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saying all this craziness. And it was like, was he
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trying to be an edgelord or was he actually onto
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something as far as the occult? You know what I'm saying?
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Like all the, and I'm talking about like Crowley's obscene work,
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like white stains and all this other craziness where you
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read it and you're like, you feel sick, like actually sick.
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You know? That's the litmus test. That's how you can
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decide how far society is desensitized. You have your kid
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read it and then you have like your grandkid read it.
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And then once someone's like, yeah, whatever, this like, this
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reminds me of something I saw on Tik TOK. Yeah, yeah.
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Speaking of things that I was reminded from seeing on TikTok,
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towards the end of El Topo, it's like real heavy
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with the eye in the triangle.
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Yeah. Oh, let me, can the three here, the three
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of us were calling dibs on Illuminati Cowboys. So donut,
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you're not allowed to touch Illuminati Cowboys and Illuminati saloon
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and Illuminati Western. Like we found it in, in this movie, right?
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El Topo, Illuminati Cowboys.
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It is very cool. I mean, Illuminati Cowboys, uh, Jesse
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James arguably was already an Illuminati cowboy. If you learn
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anything about Jesse James connection to the Knights Templar.
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But yeah.
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What? Wait, what? Yeah.
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You didn't know about that one?
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No.
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You've been gone too long, pal. We got to do
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that on another episode, but yeah, there's a couple of
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books that have been written about.
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Oh, wow.
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Yeah. James.
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And now he may.
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Or may not have been a Freemason for some time.
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And, but you know, Yeah, that scene was weird, especially
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the one with the revolver where they were, like, playing
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Russian roulette, essentially, and just calling it a miracle of, like,
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not having your face blown off. And then the little
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kid just takes it and just, like, bang.
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Right?
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Church is over.
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Yeah, church is over. No more miracles for you. Yeah.
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Yeah, it was interesting. They were branding a slave. They
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were being really perverted. to all different degrees. There's prostitution
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going on, it seemed like. I mean, I don't know.
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It felt like the entire thing was supposed to be
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a commentary. At least that end of the movie was
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supposed to be a commentary on maybe the Western world
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to some degree. But if you know even the smallest
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bit about alchemy, you can recognize some of the things
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going on with the characters and a certain portrayal of, like,
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the black and the white and the red and the yellow.
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And, I mean... Use of copper and, like, metals.
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Well, you mentioned the gunfighting, Thomas, and I'm curious what
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your point is, aside from, like, the chaos of it
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kind of being commentary maybe on how violent media is
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or films are, you know, by going to the umpth
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degree where, like, every single scene... featured, like, someone getting shot, like,
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to the point where the main character seems to be, like,
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you know, ascended because he doesn't die when he gets
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riddled with bullets at the end, right?
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He's like, I barely bleed. Yeah, he's just.
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Taking all the shots, and he has, like, bullets, wounds,
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like the wounds of Christ at one point in the film, so, like,
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it's very... overdone with the, with the gunshots and the
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bullet wounds. Like what, what are your thoughts on that?
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By the way, the kid was his son, by the way, the,
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the naked kid, the boy.
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Doesn't he come back as a, as a man?
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Yes. Right. And he comes, he comes back as the,
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as the priest. Like it's, it's really, you can watch
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it and have your own interpretations. Obviously it's one like
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very abstract in that way, but he's grown up with
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the kid. He basically gets stigmata. That's the wounds of Christ.
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And then we see his son growing up and his
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son becomes like a priest. So he dies. Right. And
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then the son replaces him. So there's like a lot
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of this weird adjacent Christian like theology going behind it, right?
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And not just that aspect of it, but I feel
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that the four different gunslingers that he has to go through.
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First of all, it feels like a video game. So
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I like the pacing of the movie. It's like you
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have to go on four. But it also reminds me
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of like the old Wu-Tang movies or whatever they Wu-Tang
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bought and then like re-released them as. But it's like
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you have to go through four battles. And then once
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you go through these four battles, you achieve enlightenment. That's
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sort of paraphrasing the concept of the movie. Right. So
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he gets you get it early on that his little click,
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his girl has got like a thick girlfriend and he's
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got like a trans girlfriend. And his thick girlfriend is
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telling him, hey, you need to cheat. You've got these
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four different tests to go through, like your initiation. So
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just cheat your way through.
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The initiation so that you're guaranteed.
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And so the movie is about him taking the shortcuts
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and then dying. and then his kid growing up, and
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then basically that's the second real initiation. It's like he
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had to die, and then he gets reborn as his son, right?
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Because it's literally what happens is your son is born,
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and then he continues Yuan. So, like, the early one dies,
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gets reborn, so both of them are El Topo. Even
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though Iho is a son, they're both El Topo.
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Mm-hmm. And then he becomes, right, he gets... into that
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cave and then he has to find his way out
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similar to like how the beginning the beginning is the
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end sort of thing where the mole does what blinds
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itself with the sun or whatever um and it's interesting
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because the way i saw it was the the way
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i've always been you know when you read about the
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occult and stuff like that you start to realize it's
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been said right especially crowley said that this that in
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the desert uh the jinn uh reside right so like
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all these open vast areas the supernatural can take place
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and i looked at the movie is that where he's
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in this journey trying to achieve enlightenment essentially right and
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he's got to defeat these ascended masters and these tests
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these trials are saying like some sort of video game
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ask away where it's like you level up every time
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you know in a video game you defeat the boss
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you take the boss's artifact and And then you level
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up and you're stronger like Elden Ring or something like
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that or Dark Souls.
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Because those are like the mini-boss. Yeah, you got to
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fight through all the mini-bosses. And then you get to
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the final boss. It's like Mega Man.
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Yeah, bro. So that's the way I saw it where
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it's like this guy going through this landscape. And it's
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interesting because when you think about... Because I'm still stuck
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on the idea of why a cowboy though? Why the cowboy?
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And if you think about cowboys... it's kind of cowboys
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were kind of the first to be involved with the
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supernatural a little bit. Cause that's where ghost towns come from.
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Like when you think of like a Western or anything
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like that, you think of like ghost and like abandoned
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and all this other stuff. And I don't know, what
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are your thoughts on that? Thomas of like, why the cowboys?
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Well, bro pan wasn't pan a freaking cowboy, a little,
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a little goat boy, bull boy, two horned half like, uh,
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you know, clubbing of boy, uh, So this is another
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expression of the panic aspect.
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Not to mention, it's not the first cowboy film to
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be used as a sort of vehicle for some esoteric symbolism.
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01:18:36.949 --> 01:18:38.989
I don't know if you... You might have had him
1425
01:18:39.090 --> 01:18:41.710
on the podcast as well, Juan. He talks about a
1426
01:18:41.750 --> 01:18:47.000
lot of different stuff. But Robert Maxwell III or something,
1427
01:18:47.159 --> 01:18:49.010
or the fourth or something like that, that guy.
1428
01:18:49.029 --> 01:18:49.920
Never met him.
1429
01:18:51.010 --> 01:18:52.970
Him. He's been on my show a couple times.
1430
01:18:53.050 --> 01:18:55.350
He talks about cowboys and occultism?
1431
01:18:56.489 --> 01:19:02.720
No, he has books, basically, that go into occult symbolism
1432
01:19:02.779 --> 01:19:06.520
in movies. Not Robert Maxwell. That's the guy from the
1433
01:19:06.579 --> 01:19:13.569
Epstein shit. But similar name. Um, but regardless in one
1434
01:19:13.600 --> 01:19:16.560
of his books, he breaks down how a fistful of
1435
01:19:16.659 --> 01:19:20.180
dollars and the following movies that Clint Eastwood are in
1436
01:19:20.579 --> 01:19:22.939
for a few more, uh, for a few dollars more
1437
01:19:22.979 --> 01:19:26.340
in the good, the bad and the ugly. They're all, um,
1438
01:19:27.560 --> 01:19:32.569
the director, Sergio Leon designed them to be allegories from
1439
01:19:32.609 --> 01:19:36.630
the Bible. So it's like these films were already being
1440
01:19:36.810 --> 01:19:40.189
used in that context because the West, uh, You know,
1441
01:19:40.210 --> 01:19:45.659
think about it like the folks who are exploring the West,
1442
01:19:46.479 --> 01:19:49.279
what was their education based around? It was based around
1443
01:19:49.319 --> 01:19:51.319
the Bible for the most part. So when they went
1444
01:19:51.600 --> 01:19:55.060
and explored the West as cowboys, they were thinking about
1445
01:19:55.100 --> 01:19:57.859
all these biblical. So a lot of the, you know,
1446
01:19:57.939 --> 01:20:02.270
the places in the West evoke this Christian symbolism. And
1447
01:20:02.289 --> 01:20:05.729
then that translates into the Western film genre.
1448
01:20:06.460 --> 01:20:09.590
So, and if you think about it, like Western occultism, right?
1449
01:20:09.630 --> 01:20:14.350
The wild, wild West, which is 666 WWW. And then
1450
01:20:14.369 --> 01:20:18.229
there's a thing called Gothic Western. And it's a subculture
1451
01:20:18.250 --> 01:20:21.640
of artistically similar to Gothica Americana, but blends Goth and
1452
01:20:21.699 --> 01:20:26.000
Western lifestyles that are notably visible in fashion music. So
1453
01:20:26.779 --> 01:20:31.810
the post-war consciousness between 1940 and 1950 left consumers wanting
1454
01:20:31.939 --> 01:20:37.489
less monster-related horror in favor of dark storytelling connected with reality.
1455
01:20:38.189 --> 01:20:43.670
In other words, the monster subject to relativism survives in
1456
01:20:43.689 --> 01:20:47.489
the shadow of the idealized American dream. Westerners were at
1457
01:20:47.529 --> 01:20:52.079
their peak of popularity, but the increase of technology, modernization,
1458
01:20:52.100 --> 01:20:56.180
and social changes, not without artistic commentary. So, because if
1459
01:20:56.199 --> 01:21:00.060
you think about, what's that one guy, Clint Eastwood? When
1460
01:21:00.079 --> 01:21:03.550
was that big? Like those movies, Clint Eastwood.
1461
01:21:04.279 --> 01:21:07.779
If it's the dollars, isn't that like 70s?
1462
01:21:07.779 --> 01:21:11.479
1964. So it's around the time of this coming out
1463
01:21:11.520 --> 01:21:19.250
to Jordowski. Because right, Jordowski was 1964 too, no? Around
1464
01:21:19.270 --> 01:21:23.729
that time. And then you have Quentin Tarantino also using
1465
01:21:23.810 --> 01:21:27.069
like Western. Is Quentin Tarantino into the occult? He's a
1466
01:21:27.109 --> 01:21:27.869
weirdo too, right?
1467
01:21:29.619 --> 01:21:33.159
I met him once. I saw him throw up on himself. Really?
1468
01:21:33.189 --> 01:21:34.210
Tell us that story.
1469
01:21:34.350 --> 01:21:40.979
What? Really? I was filming a documentary for Old Dirty Bastards,
1470
01:21:41.180 --> 01:21:47.850
two brothers, 12 O'Clock, who's also dead now, and Rayson,
1471
01:21:47.869 --> 01:21:50.710
the zookeeper. They're two guys from Brooklyn Zoo. I don't
1472
01:21:50.729 --> 01:21:53.189
know if you've ever listened to like the Wu-Tang Adjacent.
1473
01:21:53.210 --> 01:21:56.329
Brooklyn Zoo had a few features on like ODB's albums
1474
01:21:56.390 --> 01:21:59.409
and stuff. Anyways, I'm helping them shoot this documentary and
1475
01:21:59.869 --> 01:22:02.100
I get to be, you know, backstage and at the
1476
01:22:02.189 --> 01:22:04.699
after party and everything and with the whole little crew
1477
01:22:04.920 --> 01:22:08.579
and Quentin Tarantino ends up being the guest feature and
1478
01:22:08.600 --> 01:22:11.199
they bring him out on stage and he's like rapping
1479
01:22:11.239 --> 01:22:14.659
with RZA, but he's also super, super drunk. And I'm
1480
01:22:14.720 --> 01:22:17.689
sitting there recording the whole thing. And I see what's happening.
1481
01:22:17.729 --> 01:22:20.029
If you've ever seen someone that's like really hyped up
1482
01:22:20.510 --> 01:22:21.909
and you're at like a party and they got like
1483
01:22:21.949 --> 01:22:24.729
a bottle of beer and he kept like whipping the
1484
01:22:24.789 --> 01:22:27.869
beer bottle, like back against his mouth and it would
1485
01:22:27.909 --> 01:22:30.170
cause it to like foam. It's like, you're shaking it up.
1486
01:22:30.649 --> 01:22:33.140
And then it would like shoot the beer into his throat.
1487
01:22:33.159 --> 01:22:36.260
And he kept being like surprised that like the beer,
1488
01:22:36.279 --> 01:22:39.869
like ejaculating directly into his mouth every time he did it.
1489
01:22:40.239 --> 01:22:42.239
And he went through like two beers doing that. And I,
1490
01:22:42.560 --> 01:22:46.060
I just saw him like progressively getting a little bit
1491
01:22:46.100 --> 01:22:48.399
more sick and sick. And then right there on the stage,
1492
01:22:48.850 --> 01:22:50.569
he's trying to rap and he turned around and he
1493
01:22:50.609 --> 01:22:52.430
kind of threw up on himself. And then he like
1494
01:22:52.449 --> 01:22:54.829
went back to rapping again. I got it on video.
1495
01:22:54.850 --> 01:22:56.430
Like I'm not making it up. I've got it on video.
1496
01:22:56.489 --> 01:22:59.050
Tarantino was invited to rap.
1497
01:22:59.989 --> 01:23:01.949
Yeah, they brought him out. It was here in Orlando.
1498
01:23:01.970 --> 01:23:05.350
They brought him out on stage. This is like 2006,
1499
01:23:05.350 --> 01:23:05.729
I think.
1500
01:23:05.989 --> 01:23:06.229
Yeah.
1501
01:23:06.770 --> 01:23:07.029
Yeah.
1502
01:23:08.569 --> 01:23:10.010
Sounds about right, I think.
1503
01:23:10.529 --> 01:23:11.329
Sounds about white.
1504
01:23:12.510 --> 01:23:15.890
Yeah, it seems like one of the whitest guys.
1505
01:23:17.069 --> 01:23:18.670
You just got to let him kiss your feet and
1506
01:23:18.689 --> 01:23:20.210
you can get backstage anytime you want.
1507
01:23:20.630 --> 01:23:21.949
Yeah, I do that. That's that's.
1508
01:23:22.829 --> 01:23:25.710
But yeah, the point, though, being is that you don't
1509
01:23:25.750 --> 01:23:30.390
get Quentin Tarantino without spaghetti Westerns. And I guarantee that
1510
01:23:30.699 --> 01:23:34.970
if you went through his Criterion collection, Tarantino would probably
1511
01:23:35.390 --> 01:23:37.310
pull out Holy Mountain and El Topo.
1512
01:23:40.090 --> 01:23:43.630
So what's the verdict on this movie? I mean, you've
1513
01:23:43.649 --> 01:23:46.239
seen it before, Thomas. I'd never seen it. I'd have
1514
01:23:46.279 --> 01:23:48.439
to re-watch it again. I don't know if I want
1515
01:23:48.460 --> 01:23:50.380
to subject myself to that. I definitely want to check
1516
01:23:50.420 --> 01:23:52.520
out the Holy Mountain, though. That one I'm going to
1517
01:23:52.539 --> 01:23:53.260
have to check out.
1518
01:23:53.899 --> 01:23:59.270
Yeah, it seems like he took the formula and crystallized
1519
01:23:59.390 --> 01:24:02.210
it in the holy mountain where the holy mountain has
1520
01:24:02.310 --> 01:24:06.710
maybe a bit more noticeable or discernible.
1521
01:24:06.189 --> 01:24:12.399
Plot bigger budget better cameras more costume design uh huge
1522
01:24:12.460 --> 01:24:15.420
interiors where everything is like custom painted this one's a
1523
01:24:15.479 --> 01:24:18.560
little bit let's go out into the desert get like
1524
01:24:18.680 --> 01:24:21.159
dude the old guy at the very end it's clearly
1525
01:24:21.279 --> 01:24:24.279
somebody's dad wearing a wig you know what i mean.
1526
01:24:24.489 --> 01:24:26.550
That was the other thing I wanted, before we go
1527
01:24:26.630 --> 01:24:32.760
and break down our final verdicts, the use of the
1528
01:24:34.140 --> 01:24:40.239
deformed people throughout the film, too, and the absolute absurdity
1529
01:24:40.600 --> 01:24:43.840
at the beginning of the film, the way everyone was acting,
1530
01:24:44.220 --> 01:24:49.380
not just the absurd violence, but the absurd demeanor of everyone.
1531
01:24:49.439 --> 01:24:53.640
It almost felt like he was trying to portray... like
1532
01:24:53.880 --> 01:24:58.909
what you read about in maybe Dante's Inferno or maybe like, uh,
1533
01:24:58.979 --> 01:25:04.239
Pantagruel and, and, uh, you know, what's the, the title
1534
01:25:04.500 --> 01:25:05.380
by Rabelais?
1535
01:25:06.199 --> 01:25:06.380
Yeah.
1536
01:25:06.500 --> 01:25:07.899
I think you're right.
1537
01:25:08.859 --> 01:25:11.909
Pantagruel and something or other, but Gargantua.
1538
01:25:11.949 --> 01:25:12.890
Gargantua and Pantagruel.
1539
01:25:12.909 --> 01:25:13.050
Yeah.
1540
01:25:13.090 --> 01:25:15.270
It's like, you know, it's kind of like this, like
1541
01:25:15.510 --> 01:25:19.909
non third dimensional portrayal. I, I, I don't want to
1542
01:25:19.949 --> 01:25:23.350
say dream world because I feel like human dreams have
1543
01:25:23.470 --> 01:25:26.670
more sense and meaning than what's portrayed there. It's almost.
1544
01:25:26.850 --> 01:25:29.810
No, it's like symbolic, man. It's like we don't need
1545
01:25:29.829 --> 01:25:33.880
to have these characters... do all this exposition. We can
1546
01:25:33.920 --> 01:25:38.810
just use the shock value of what they're doing and
1547
01:25:38.859 --> 01:25:41.550
how accepted it is. The fact that they're doing these
1548
01:25:41.590 --> 01:25:43.869
things and no one's reacting to it in a way
1549
01:25:43.949 --> 01:25:46.130
other than like, well, you know, I guess that's just how,
1550
01:25:46.430 --> 01:25:48.390
that's how this crazy world works. That's sort of the
1551
01:25:48.439 --> 01:25:51.220
response of everyone. And he's doing that in a way
1552
01:25:51.260 --> 01:25:55.279
to show you that this is, like an encapsulated vision.
1553
01:25:55.319 --> 01:25:57.659
This isn't supposed to be taking place in the real
1554
01:25:57.699 --> 01:26:00.520
world because you'd have real reactions to it. And the
1555
01:26:00.579 --> 01:26:03.800
fact that you're not getting those, it's like, here's an analogy.
1556
01:26:03.859 --> 01:26:07.100
Here's something that like, if this is happening in my world,
1557
01:26:07.180 --> 01:26:09.380
now extrapolate it into your world. And I think that's
1558
01:26:09.420 --> 01:26:12.340
what makes his kind of works a little bit more genius,
1559
01:26:12.399 --> 01:26:12.739
I guess.
1560
01:26:14.399 --> 01:26:16.100
Well, it seems like you're a big fan, Thomas.
1561
01:26:17.050 --> 01:26:20.100
Thomas, I think has already kind of given his verdict. Thomas,
1562
01:26:21.010 --> 01:26:22.689
is it fair to say you're a fan of this?
1563
01:26:23.979 --> 01:26:26.079
I mean, I think you have to watch this one
1564
01:26:26.180 --> 01:26:28.619
before you get into Holy Mountain, or at least if
1565
01:26:28.659 --> 01:26:30.640
you've seen Holy Mountain, you didn't get it or you
1566
01:26:30.659 --> 01:26:33.550
liked it, then this is an obvious one to also watch.
1567
01:26:33.979 --> 01:26:36.869
And I mean, I don't necessarily have to say he's
1568
01:26:36.890 --> 01:26:40.189
like a genius. Like, I'm glad that Roman Polanski movies exist.
1569
01:26:40.630 --> 01:26:43.310
Is that so crazy and controversial, right?
1570
01:26:43.510 --> 01:26:44.689
Yeah, it is pretty controversial.
1571
01:26:45.289 --> 01:26:48.590
Like, I mean, Polanski movies are good. I mean, a
1572
01:26:48.649 --> 01:26:49.850
handful of them are really good.
1573
01:26:49.909 --> 01:26:51.069
That's Rosemary's Baby, right?
1574
01:26:52.050 --> 01:26:54.869
Rosemary's Baby, which is again, it's like showing like here.
1575
01:26:55.210 --> 01:26:58.810
Here's what these elites are doing in private. And I'm
1576
01:26:58.829 --> 01:27:01.630
going to make it public. And without that, you know,
1577
01:27:01.670 --> 01:27:04.489
and I think the reality is stranger than fiction in
1578
01:27:04.510 --> 01:27:07.000
a lot of ways. So this is Jodorowsky. I think
1579
01:27:07.020 --> 01:27:09.939
it's doing the same thing. It's like, here's what these crazy,
1580
01:27:10.000 --> 01:27:12.659
you know, acid trippers in the CIA are doing out
1581
01:27:12.699 --> 01:27:14.819
in the desert. I'm going to put it on film.
1582
01:27:15.319 --> 01:27:18.640
And then surprisingly, it gets, you know, suppressed for 30 years.
1583
01:27:19.779 --> 01:27:23.569
The same amount of time that MKUltra is suppressed, essentially.
1584
01:27:25.609 --> 01:27:30.949
So, according to Google, the amputees and physically challenged individuals
1585
01:27:31.029 --> 01:27:36.340
symbolize societies, marginalized, outcasts, and the spiritual cripples of humanity.
1586
01:27:36.359 --> 01:27:40.430
But you said that he wanted to become a clown, right? Well,
1587
01:27:40.470 --> 01:27:40.970
he worked as a clown.
1588
01:27:40.979 --> 01:27:44.840
This is part of that. He was homies with the carnies, right?
1589
01:27:44.899 --> 01:27:47.829
And there's certain parts of this movie when it does
1590
01:27:47.890 --> 01:27:49.520
feel like a little bit of he's putting together a
1591
01:27:49.899 --> 01:27:52.970
sideshow circus. Like specifically the very first one, it's the
1592
01:27:53.010 --> 01:27:57.529
blind master and he's got the assistance because, and again,
1593
01:27:57.569 --> 01:28:01.449
this is like one guy can't see. So now he
1594
01:28:01.510 --> 01:28:03.470
needs someone to guide him. And then you've got one
1595
01:28:03.510 --> 01:28:06.130
guy with no arms and another guy with no legs.
1596
01:28:06.489 --> 01:28:10.220
So the guy with, with no legs gets on top
1597
01:28:10.260 --> 01:28:12.819
of the guy that has legs, but no arms. So
1598
01:28:12.899 --> 01:28:16.079
they form a complete whole person that can now assist
1599
01:28:16.119 --> 01:28:19.430
the blind guy who is still an incomplete person. So
1600
01:28:19.439 --> 01:28:21.890
it's like one and a half plus a half equals,
1601
01:28:22.470 --> 01:28:24.609
you know, like a full integers essentially.
1602
01:28:24.810 --> 01:28:28.130
It was the OG human centipede, bro. Just, he was
1603
01:28:28.210 --> 01:28:29.569
so far ahead of his time though.
1604
01:28:29.829 --> 01:28:32.829
A couple of details missing from a human centipede.
1605
01:28:33.590 --> 01:28:36.630
But maybe that's what, uh, who's the director of that movie?
1606
01:28:36.689 --> 01:28:38.569
Human centipede.
1607
01:28:39.069 --> 01:28:39.909
He had to be a German.
1608
01:28:40.380 --> 01:28:44.869
That movie human centipede 2 was unhinged bro that that
1609
01:28:44.909 --> 01:28:46.010
movie so.
1610
01:28:45.670 --> 01:28:47.609
It was a different film for sure.
1611
01:28:47.550 --> 01:28:50.350
Tom six a dutch filmmaker writer.
1612
01:28:50.109 --> 01:28:53.789
And actor i don't So when you were asking before, like, oh,
1613
01:28:53.800 --> 01:28:56.539
have you seen Cannibal Holocaust? Is it that extreme? If
1614
01:28:56.560 --> 01:29:00.119
you've seen Human Centipede and then right after that's over,
1615
01:29:00.159 --> 01:29:02.479
then you put on Cannibal Holocaust, you'd fall asleep.
1616
01:29:03.020 --> 01:29:04.920
Wait, there's a Human Centipede 3? Oh, yeah, I've seen
1617
01:29:04.939 --> 01:29:07.810
that one. That's the one at the prison. Okay. Yeah,
1618
01:29:07.819 --> 01:29:13.270
I've seen that one. Yeah, I don't do that. These
1619
01:29:13.310 --> 01:29:14.649
movies are so unhinged, bro.
1620
01:29:16.090 --> 01:29:16.590
Oh, man.
1621
01:29:16.649 --> 01:29:20.449
The final sequence, bro. It's a black comedy body horror film.
1622
01:29:21.800 --> 01:29:22.609
That's what they call it.
1623
01:29:23.319 --> 01:29:23.460
Yeah.
1624
01:29:23.479 --> 01:29:25.279
This Tom six guy on your.
1625
01:29:25.119 --> 01:29:29.449
List, you're putting human centipede above El Topo one. That's,
1626
01:29:29.829 --> 01:29:30.869
that's your final verdict.
1627
01:29:30.890 --> 01:29:34.270
Uh, no, no. There are two different movies. There are
1628
01:29:34.289 --> 01:29:37.569
two different movies. Um, you know, this isn't.
1629
01:29:37.470 --> 01:29:39.890
El Topo is not the one to sell someone on Jodorowsky.
1630
01:29:39.930 --> 01:29:40.409
I don't think.
1631
01:29:41.329 --> 01:29:43.449
No, but it's necessary. How you say it's the, it's the,
1632
01:29:43.529 --> 01:29:46.310
one of the first works. Oh, well not his first work.
1633
01:29:46.409 --> 01:29:51.310
Cause there was the other one that got banned before that. But, um, Yeah,
1634
01:29:51.489 --> 01:29:54.789
I mean, it's my first exposure. I'll watch the Holy
1635
01:29:54.810 --> 01:29:56.930
Mountain now and report back.
1636
01:29:56.989 --> 01:30:02.000
When you're watching this one, without even having to put
1637
01:30:02.180 --> 01:30:05.020
an occult filter on, can you watch this and be like,
1638
01:30:05.039 --> 01:30:08.500
this guy's doing magic rituals, and this is alchemy, and
1639
01:30:08.539 --> 01:30:12.649
this is... It seems obvious that that's what this movie
1640
01:30:12.699 --> 01:30:13.090
is about.
1641
01:30:13.500 --> 01:30:15.619
Yeah. And that's why I was kind of hesitant to
1642
01:30:15.689 --> 01:30:18.979
watch it too. Cause it's like, are you participating in
1643
01:30:19.020 --> 01:30:22.930
an occult ritual? Because it, it does, it looks and
1644
01:30:23.050 --> 01:30:26.130
feels so unhinged throughout the whole time. Literally, bro, I
1645
01:30:26.130 --> 01:30:29.380
had a pause and I'm like, what? And I texted you,
1646
01:30:29.390 --> 01:30:31.010
I was like, what the hell did I just watch?
1647
01:30:31.710 --> 01:30:33.390
Cause like you were, you know, you, you were the
1648
01:30:33.449 --> 01:30:38.390
observer in this sort of weird thing, this alchemical sort of,
1649
01:30:39.899 --> 01:30:42.529
concoction and then if you read his works you know
1650
01:30:42.569 --> 01:30:44.829
the psycho magic thing that we were reading where it's
1651
01:30:44.850 --> 01:30:49.109
like spit into the green clay and mix it up
1652
01:30:49.170 --> 01:30:50.770
and then put it under your bed or whatever it's
1653
01:30:50.789 --> 01:30:54.789
like no more pimples yeah there you go all fixed
1654
01:30:55.930 --> 01:30:58.149
I don't know but maybe the secret to this movie
1655
01:30:58.189 --> 01:31:00.760
is watching it while masturbating to a picture of your
1656
01:31:00.800 --> 01:31:05.359
mom maybe that's how you achieve the enlightenment while watching
1657
01:31:05.739 --> 01:31:08.039
maybe that's when you get the eyes to see this
1658
01:31:08.079 --> 01:31:08.399
movie you.
1659
01:31:08.340 --> 01:31:10.319
Know i think you make a good point one like
1660
01:31:10.399 --> 01:31:13.810
if this is the kind of sympathetic magic he endorsed
1661
01:31:13.930 --> 01:31:16.829
in his books like what kind of sympathetic magic are
1662
01:31:16.850 --> 01:31:19.289
you participating in by you.
1663
01:31:19.909 --> 01:31:23.050
Know no what are you doing behind closed doors if
1664
01:31:23.069 --> 01:31:25.300
this is what you're putting out to the world what
1665
01:31:25.340 --> 01:31:28.060
are you doing behind closed doors which is probably even
1666
01:31:28.119 --> 01:31:31.079
worse if this guy's talking about like wanting to actually
1667
01:31:31.619 --> 01:31:33.520
grape one of the actors that he's never met before
1668
01:31:33.539 --> 01:31:36.279
like what a weird thing to say and do bro
1669
01:31:36.340 --> 01:31:36.979
like you're.
1670
01:31:37.020 --> 01:31:40.229
Or or hear me out maybe this is like there
1671
01:31:40.350 --> 01:31:43.510
maybe there was no line maybe there wasn't a here's
1672
01:31:43.550 --> 01:31:45.569
my what i do in my film and here's what
1673
01:31:45.609 --> 01:31:48.029
i do in my private life maybe it's just here's
1674
01:31:48.069 --> 01:31:50.340
my life and here's what i'm going to be doing
1675
01:31:50.420 --> 01:31:52.720
on film i mean i'm sure there's things that didn't
1676
01:31:52.760 --> 01:31:54.739
get recorded that was a little bit more extreme than
1677
01:31:54.760 --> 01:31:58.359
this i did the other i think draw to this
1678
01:31:58.420 --> 01:32:01.859
kind of movie this like weird abstract um Um, and
1679
01:32:01.899 --> 01:32:03.859
not a lot of people can do a psychedelic movie
1680
01:32:03.880 --> 01:32:06.770
and make it entertaining enough to, to watch through the
1681
01:32:06.779 --> 01:32:09.909
whole end. But it's the, the exact opposite of what
1682
01:32:09.930 --> 01:32:12.930
we get in movies now. Cause when you're talking about, Oh,
1683
01:32:12.949 --> 01:32:15.569
what if I'm going through some sort of magic ritual
1684
01:32:15.609 --> 01:32:16.930
and I'm going to go to hell because I just
1685
01:32:16.970 --> 01:32:18.529
put this movie on in my house and now there's
1686
01:32:18.550 --> 01:32:21.130
like a demon in my house. Right. But isn't the
1687
01:32:21.189 --> 01:32:23.380
same thing happening if you put a Michael Bay movie in?
1688
01:32:23.869 --> 01:32:27.069
Or if you put like a Nolan movie. No, you
1689
01:32:27.109 --> 01:32:31.779
don't think so. They're both, they're both doing rituals. Just
1690
01:32:31.960 --> 01:32:34.600
one of them might be more or less targeted than
1691
01:32:34.619 --> 01:32:38.819
the other one. Yeah. I don't think the Transformers movies
1692
01:32:38.840 --> 01:32:40.500
got as much magic as Jodorowsky.
1693
01:32:40.520 --> 01:32:45.439
Well, I think there's definitely a level to where, you know,
1694
01:32:46.020 --> 01:32:50.239
an actor or actress dying in a film adds more
1695
01:32:50.319 --> 01:32:52.300
weight or gravity to the film.
1696
01:32:52.520 --> 01:32:53.359
Fast and the Furious.
1697
01:32:54.090 --> 01:32:54.510
Yeah.
1698
01:32:54.649 --> 01:32:57.489
So, I mean, to have a bunch of dead animals
1699
01:32:57.590 --> 01:33:00.529
in this ritualistic context, I think is a lot different
1700
01:33:00.590 --> 01:33:05.510
than CGI trucks turning into animals.
1701
01:33:05.529 --> 01:33:09.010
Maybe, but keep in mind that there's also movies where
1702
01:33:09.090 --> 01:33:12.210
stuntmen die and they suppress it because they don't want
1703
01:33:12.529 --> 01:33:15.489
the public image of the movie to take a hit.
1704
01:33:15.550 --> 01:33:18.909
But in that case, somebody actually died and they're not
1705
01:33:18.970 --> 01:33:21.800
even you. Like, maybe that's still part of the magic, right?
1706
01:33:22.420 --> 01:33:25.470
Well the crow bruce lee like there's tons of weird
1707
01:33:25.529 --> 01:33:30.569
shit that's happened you know bruce lee famously uh allegedly
1708
01:33:30.670 --> 01:33:35.229
was assassinated and there's a famous part of his film
1709
01:33:35.270 --> 01:33:38.829
where he jumps into a bunch of people shooting at
1710
01:33:38.850 --> 01:33:42.979
him right and then his son dies in a eerily
1711
01:33:43.039 --> 01:33:46.899
similar way you know it's just Bruce Lee died in
1712
01:33:46.960 --> 01:33:50.350
the production of a film. So did his son, you know?
1713
01:33:50.510 --> 01:33:53.850
So there's a lot of strange things that have, I
1714
01:33:53.869 --> 01:33:59.069
don't know, you can classify as necromancy within film.
1715
01:34:00.649 --> 01:34:03.170
Michael Jackson was set on fire and then he died
1716
01:34:03.189 --> 01:34:05.449
right in the middle of a big dispute with another
1717
01:34:05.550 --> 01:34:07.390
major entertainment company, right?
1718
01:34:07.770 --> 01:34:11.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, and that's the thing is like,
1719
01:34:11.380 --> 01:34:14.439
where do you draw the line? If you're recording something
1720
01:34:15.369 --> 01:34:19.310
you're keeping it, the experience of it alive in a
1721
01:34:19.369 --> 01:34:22.670
certain sense. And then other people are then taking that,
1722
01:34:23.029 --> 01:34:25.590
you know, this one incubated for 30 years and then
1723
01:34:25.630 --> 01:34:26.369
was seen again.
1724
01:34:26.390 --> 01:34:29.909
I think that the difference though, is that his movies
1725
01:34:29.930 --> 01:34:33.470
are like teacher's guides. It's like, and it's crazy. Cause
1726
01:34:33.550 --> 01:34:37.750
even in El Topo, you're like, did those animals actually die?
1727
01:34:37.829 --> 01:34:40.289
I hope those animals were already dead. Right. So when
1728
01:34:40.329 --> 01:34:43.090
he comes back with holy mountain, he's like, Let.
1729
01:34:43.010 --> 01:34:44.390
Me make everything clear here.
1730
01:34:45.430 --> 01:34:47.050
Not only are they dead, but here, let me just
1731
01:34:47.090 --> 01:34:49.149
show you. Here they are alive, and now I'm going
1732
01:34:49.189 --> 01:34:51.149
to kill them, and now here they are dead. You
1733
01:34:51.170 --> 01:34:53.729
saw the whole process start to end, so there can't
1734
01:34:53.750 --> 01:34:57.510
be any more questions. But there's something, I guess, more...
1735
01:34:57.210 --> 01:34:59.949
I don't want to say... Honorable is not the right word.
1736
01:34:59.989 --> 01:35:02.909
I don't want to fish for words. But there's something
1737
01:35:03.909 --> 01:35:07.810
more interesting that... he's putting it all out and saying like, yep, look,
1738
01:35:07.850 --> 01:35:11.130
here's dead animals. We killed dead animals versus plenty of
1739
01:35:11.210 --> 01:35:14.569
other industries, plenty of other movies end up killing animals
1740
01:35:14.590 --> 01:35:17.600
in the process, but they just get shooed away. Like
1741
01:35:17.619 --> 01:35:20.920
at least these animals get to be secondary characters in
1742
01:35:20.960 --> 01:35:21.739
a movie, right?
1743
01:35:22.779 --> 01:35:27.119
So I'm, That was probably a lot more commonplace, too.
1744
01:35:27.140 --> 01:35:30.180
You had a lot more real animals in films.
1745
01:35:30.640 --> 01:35:33.520
There was a Disney film about lemmings, and they killed
1746
01:35:33.560 --> 01:35:35.319
a whole bunch of lemmings and forced them off a
1747
01:35:35.380 --> 01:35:38.520
cliff and then sold it to kids in schools, right?
1748
01:35:38.619 --> 01:35:42.239
I think more animals died in that Disney flick than
1749
01:35:42.359 --> 01:35:43.300
died in El Topo.
1750
01:35:43.880 --> 01:35:48.819
That's crazy, bro. Except one was on purpose. Well, maybe
1751
01:35:48.859 --> 01:35:49.680
they were both on purpose.
1752
01:35:49.760 --> 01:35:51.159
They were both on purpose, yeah.
1753
01:35:51.649 --> 01:35:54.100
For those who want to keep up with Jordowski, he
1754
01:35:54.189 --> 01:35:56.579
came out with a book recently, about six months ago.
1755
01:35:56.760 --> 01:36:00.479
It's an edition of 800. You can get it for
1756
01:36:00.520 --> 01:36:04.199
a cool price of $ 1, 500. It's called Art Sing Fiend,
1757
01:36:04.300 --> 01:36:08.729
and it's his latest work and his culmination. It's a
1758
01:36:08.779 --> 01:36:11.890
manifesto of some sorts. His films have inspired generations of
1759
01:36:12.029 --> 01:36:15.449
artists across disciplines. His comics have changed the genre. Bro,
1760
01:36:15.750 --> 01:36:17.310
are you going to let him take that from you, Thomas,
1761
01:36:17.409 --> 01:36:19.770
paranoid American? His comics have.
1762
01:36:19.710 --> 01:36:20.729
Changed the genre. He can have this one.
1763
01:36:21.220 --> 01:36:27.039
His performances have defied entire aesthetics. And yeah, this book,
1764
01:36:27.119 --> 01:36:30.859
designed and edited in collaboration with Eminem Paris, offers a
1765
01:36:30.939 --> 01:36:34.779
unique insight into Jodorowsky's artistic process by the artist himself.
1766
01:36:35.720 --> 01:36:37.579
You can pick it up for $ 1, 500, dude. Pretty good,
1767
01:36:37.600 --> 01:36:42.060
pretty good. That's a steal.
1768
01:36:42.119 --> 01:36:45.899
I mean, speaking of that aspect, right? When we were
1769
01:36:45.939 --> 01:36:49.890
talking before that only a small number of people maybe
1770
01:36:49.930 --> 01:36:52.630
got to see his films for a few decades. And
1771
01:36:52.670 --> 01:36:55.640
that was almost like a little secret society. And now
1772
01:36:55.680 --> 01:36:58.539
he's got comics that he sells for $ 1, 500 a piece.
1773
01:36:59.159 --> 01:37:03.840
It reminds me of it's called the Kremister cycle. Barney
1774
01:37:03.899 --> 01:37:07.899
something or Michael Barney or. Matthew Barney, Matthew Barney. Have
1775
01:37:07.920 --> 01:37:11.699
you ever heard of Kremister cycle? It's I think that
1776
01:37:11.739 --> 01:37:15.539
it's like somewhat similar to this, just less animals dying
1777
01:37:15.619 --> 01:37:18.340
on film. And then if you imagine that he had
1778
01:37:18.399 --> 01:37:21.090
Michael Bay's camera and he had, you know, all of
1779
01:37:21.119 --> 01:37:23.800
this extra budget, because I think the Kremister cycle was.
1780
01:37:24.130 --> 01:37:26.869
was supposed to have been made and only like a
1781
01:37:26.970 --> 01:37:30.149
hundred copies were going to exist or like a thousand copies.
1782
01:37:30.270 --> 01:37:32.630
And then they were going to be like $ 10, 000 in
1783
01:37:32.670 --> 01:37:34.970
order to get a copy. So that alone became, it
1784
01:37:35.010 --> 01:37:39.199
was a magic ritual captured on like the film format. It's,
1785
01:37:39.640 --> 01:37:42.899
it's the same premise, but Jodorowsky was kind of like
1786
01:37:42.939 --> 01:37:48.020
the poor man's version of this. You've never, we got
1787
01:37:48.039 --> 01:37:49.979
to do cremister cycle at some point, bro.
1788
01:37:50.000 --> 01:37:50.920
Never heard about it, bro.
1789
01:37:51.550 --> 01:37:52.060
Oh my God.
1790
01:37:53.060 --> 01:37:56.560
So, yeah, the Holy Mountain, I'm looking at some of
1791
01:37:56.600 --> 01:37:59.300
the scenes from it, and it seems like it's a
1792
01:37:59.340 --> 01:38:00.550
lot more alchemical.
1793
01:38:02.529 --> 01:38:02.909
How so?
1794
01:38:03.390 --> 01:38:05.989
Dude, just do yourself a favor as you're looking at it.
1795
01:38:05.989 --> 01:38:08.710
Just search cremister cycle and just look at some pictures
1796
01:38:08.850 --> 01:38:10.310
just as, like, screenshots.
1797
01:38:10.789 --> 01:38:12.689
The cremaster cycle.
1798
01:38:12.930 --> 01:38:13.909
Cremister cycle.
1799
01:38:13.970 --> 01:38:15.750
Oh, yeah, you've talked about this guy before. Yeah, I
1800
01:38:15.750 --> 01:38:18.909
know what you're talking about. Yeah, this guy's weird as hell. What?
1801
01:38:20.310 --> 01:38:23.199
And I mean, speak Marilyn Manson. This feels like Marilyn
1802
01:38:23.239 --> 01:38:24.199
Manson aesthetic.
1803
01:38:24.680 --> 01:38:24.800
Yeah.
1804
01:38:24.819 --> 01:38:27.520
A hundred percent where he's like the little Seder. And yeah,
1805
01:38:27.939 --> 01:38:30.909
this is really the class one. No, I can't.
1806
01:38:31.010 --> 01:38:35.449
I can't. Like they got the actual hype man, like
1807
01:38:35.670 --> 01:38:38.250
the mascot for cremister cycle is pan.
1808
01:38:40.090 --> 01:38:43.329
So maybe it's, it's a continuation of the panic movement.
1809
01:38:43.909 --> 01:38:46.079
So it's a film series. The Crime Master Psycho is
1810
01:38:46.100 --> 01:38:46.340
a series of.
1811
01:38:46.340 --> 01:38:49.539
Seems like that's the true current with his entire career.
1812
01:38:49.619 --> 01:38:51.979
The panic movement never ended for him.
1813
01:38:54.659 --> 01:38:59.399
So Matthew Barney, American contemporary artist and film director who
1814
01:38:59.439 --> 01:39:02.199
works in the fields of sculpture, film, photography, and drawing.
1815
01:39:03.199 --> 01:39:05.119
So The Crime Master Psycho was made over a period
1816
01:39:05.140 --> 01:39:10.520
of eight years and culminated in a major museum exhibition, etc., etc.
1817
01:39:10.619 --> 01:39:12.460
So it's a series of five films.
1818
01:39:13.680 --> 01:39:16.979
They released 20 sets of DVDs each and they were
1819
01:39:17.020 --> 01:39:21.840
sold for $ 100, 000 a piece. There's no way, bro. What? Yeah.
1820
01:39:21.880 --> 01:39:26.979
So this was literally made for high society rich art snobs,
1821
01:39:27.430 --> 01:39:31.210
you know, or whoever's got the kind of cash to
1822
01:39:31.329 --> 01:39:35.869
drop $ 100, 000. But it's also, it's magical. You know what
1823
01:39:35.890 --> 01:39:38.010
I mean? Like it's magic ritual, essentially.
1824
01:39:38.050 --> 01:39:40.090
It came in a case made, so check this out,
1825
01:39:40.210 --> 01:39:47.750
made from hand-tooled saddle leather. sterling silver, polycarbonate honeycomb, beeswax, acrylic,
1826
01:39:48.029 --> 01:39:53.489
and nutmeg. So it definitely sounds like some alchemical ingredient
1827
01:39:53.510 --> 01:39:54.409
list if I've ever done.
1828
01:39:55.010 --> 01:39:58.069
That's actually how we're shipping the next issue of Chosen Long.
1829
01:39:59.609 --> 01:40:02.039
Is this available to the public? Can you watch it?
1830
01:40:02.850 --> 01:40:05.149
Yeah, you can find it now. Some people leaked it online,
1831
01:40:05.189 --> 01:40:08.550
and now you can just watch it online. Whoa.
1832
01:40:10.810 --> 01:40:12.659
Yeah, this is trippy, dude. I don't want to be
1833
01:40:12.680 --> 01:40:16.699
part of any rituals. I'm trying to find a picture
1834
01:40:16.739 --> 01:40:17.479
of the nutmeg.
1835
01:40:18.479 --> 01:40:20.859
Do you read the part about the cremaster muscle?
1836
01:40:22.109 --> 01:40:25.710
No. It raises and lowers your balls based on your
1837
01:40:25.909 --> 01:40:27.829
body temperature, right? Wait, what?
1838
01:40:27.949 --> 01:40:28.210
Really?
1839
01:40:28.229 --> 01:40:30.829
Yeah, that's what the cremaster cycle actually is.
1840
01:40:30.850 --> 01:40:34.479
Oh, it's in the gooch. See, you guys, I've always
1841
01:40:34.520 --> 01:40:35.420
told you it's in the gooch.
1842
01:40:36.399 --> 01:40:36.520
Yeah.
1843
01:40:37.409 --> 01:40:40.289
And this fits into what Kurt Metzger has been saying
1844
01:40:40.350 --> 01:40:45.569
that they shrunk our goochies. And, you know, Alex Jones
1845
01:40:45.630 --> 01:40:47.010
warned us when it came to the.
1846
01:40:47.529 --> 01:40:51.260
Bro, that's it's so true, man. There's a really I
1847
01:40:51.399 --> 01:40:54.779
usually this is very left wing propaganda.
1848
01:40:55.439 --> 01:40:56.000
Gay frogs.
1849
01:40:58.119 --> 01:41:01.039
This is true, though. That was atrazine, but the same
1850
01:41:01.079 --> 01:41:04.569
thing is actually happening to people. There's a documentary called
1851
01:41:04.590 --> 01:41:08.010
The Plastic Detox, but it's this lady that's been doing
1852
01:41:08.289 --> 01:41:12.340
these studies for literally 50 years, and she's shown that
1853
01:41:13.140 --> 01:41:17.199
mothers that are exposed to more microplastics— They give birth
1854
01:41:17.720 --> 01:41:20.130
to male children, and when the male children are born,
1855
01:41:20.170 --> 01:41:24.289
they measure the gooch, and that the amount of microplastics
1856
01:41:24.369 --> 01:41:27.829
that your mom is exposed to affects how small your
1857
01:41:27.869 --> 01:41:30.770
gooch is versus a bigger gooch, and that the size
1858
01:41:30.789 --> 01:41:36.390
of your gooch... will translate 30 years later to your fertility.
1859
01:41:36.550 --> 01:41:42.380
And it'll translate into like how much masculine identity you
1860
01:41:42.439 --> 01:41:46.180
adopt versus being female, like being more feminine. So that
1861
01:41:46.319 --> 01:41:50.439
if your mom is exposed to more microplastics, they're basically
1862
01:41:50.500 --> 01:41:54.489
giving birth to effeminate men that have these little tiny goochies.
1863
01:41:54.510 --> 01:41:56.350
Whoa, dude, what?
1864
01:41:57.390 --> 01:42:00.850
I know, bro. I'm telling you. And it sounds so crazy,
1865
01:42:00.909 --> 01:42:04.170
but she's got like four decades of research. She can
1866
01:42:04.210 --> 01:42:07.380
repeat it over and over and over again. And there's
1867
01:42:07.409 --> 01:42:11.779
a direct correlation to petrochemicals. It's the amount of petrochemicals
1868
01:42:12.199 --> 01:42:14.640
that are in your environment, the food that you eat.
1869
01:42:14.659 --> 01:42:17.199
If you're using plastic forks and all of your food
1870
01:42:17.239 --> 01:42:19.779
comes in plastic, as soon as you eliminate all that,
1871
01:42:20.140 --> 01:42:24.369
you can actually see the amount of Microplastics go down
1872
01:42:24.409 --> 01:42:27.210
And then if you measure your baby's gooch Your kid
1873
01:42:27.229 --> 01:42:29.869
will have a bigger gooch Than people that aren't limiting
1874
01:42:29.890 --> 01:42:31.489
their microplastics.
1875
01:42:31.060 --> 01:42:33.359
How do you measure a gooch bro That's my question
1876
01:42:33.380 --> 01:42:37.279
With a fucking ruler bro Really so the size of
1877
01:42:37.300 --> 01:42:38.239
it As.
1878
01:42:38.140 --> 01:42:40.500
Soon, like literally as soon as the baby is born,
1879
01:42:40.539 --> 01:42:43.439
they get, not a ruler, but the little callioper, the
1880
01:42:43.460 --> 01:42:45.319
thing that you measure, like the head of a screw.
1881
01:42:45.470 --> 01:42:46.649
I didn't see them do that though.
1882
01:42:46.859 --> 01:42:50.369
They use, they use a callioper to measure the baby's gooch.
1883
01:42:50.909 --> 01:42:53.810
And if it's, if it's smaller than a certain standard,
1884
01:42:54.189 --> 01:42:56.649
then it denotes that in 30 years, there's a higher
1885
01:42:56.689 --> 01:42:58.430
chance that that kid will be infertile and won't be
1886
01:42:58.449 --> 01:43:00.789
able to have offspring. And they're going to be more
1887
01:43:00.829 --> 01:43:01.850
effeminate in general.
1888
01:43:02.529 --> 01:43:04.390
Maybe they did it when they took them, you know,
1889
01:43:04.409 --> 01:43:05.680
when they take them to the bag, but I never
1890
01:43:05.689 --> 01:43:08.140
saw them do that to, Any of my kids.
1891
01:43:09.699 --> 01:43:11.579
They weren't in the study.
1892
01:43:14.399 --> 01:43:15.420
What are you doing in a scooch?
1893
01:43:15.960 --> 01:43:18.739
Leave a scooch alone. Oh, man.
1894
01:43:18.779 --> 01:43:20.250
This is crazy stuff.
1895
01:43:21.750 --> 01:43:25.710
Well, let's start a GoFundMe. And maybe we'll raise the
1896
01:43:25.770 --> 01:43:28.649
money to watch the Crimester Cycle. We're going to need
1897
01:43:28.649 --> 01:43:32.979
100 grand, folks. But if we swing it, we'll all
1898
01:43:33.029 --> 01:43:33.720
watch it together.
1899
01:43:33.729 --> 01:43:34.229
It'll be big.
1900
01:43:34.300 --> 01:43:37.760
Watch a party. We'll rent out an old drive-in theater.
1901
01:43:38.199 --> 01:43:40.720
That way, if you guys are disgusted, you could just
1902
01:43:40.819 --> 01:43:43.039
drive away as quick as possible.
1903
01:43:44.880 --> 01:43:48.960
So we're not watching the Crimester Cycle next, right?
1904
01:43:50.060 --> 01:43:53.060
No, we're watching the Holy Mountain. But we should save that.
1905
01:43:53.720 --> 01:43:58.260
For next month. Because the Illuminati Cowboys will ride again.
1906
01:43:58.279 --> 01:44:01.579
Into the alchemical sun.
1907
01:44:02.300 --> 01:44:08.189
Is the Holy Mountain a Western as well or no?
1908
01:44:08.869 --> 01:44:11.970
I mean, it takes place in the desert sort of aesthetic.
1909
01:44:12.050 --> 01:44:13.729
So I guess you could call it that.
1910
01:44:13.930 --> 01:44:15.710
It's Mexican avant-garde.
1911
01:44:16.409 --> 01:44:20.529
Yeah. And he wears one of those cowboy-esque hats, too.
1912
01:44:21.960 --> 01:44:27.520
Yeehaw, Illuminati Cowboys ride. Yeah, you know, maybe towards the
1913
01:44:27.560 --> 01:44:30.100
end of the month or next month, we'll get together
1914
01:44:30.800 --> 01:44:34.119
after watching the Holy Mountain and give it a proper breakdown. But,
1915
01:44:34.659 --> 01:44:38.359
you know, my full, you know, final sort of thoughts
1916
01:44:38.500 --> 01:44:43.050
on El Topo is very interesting, way over my head.
1917
01:44:44.010 --> 01:44:47.590
But if you're initiated, you might be able to discern
1918
01:44:47.649 --> 01:44:49.770
what's going on. And if you do, let me know
1919
01:44:49.810 --> 01:44:50.310
what you think.
1920
01:44:52.149 --> 01:44:53.869
Yeah, let's do the Holy Mountain next. I'm reading some
1921
01:44:53.909 --> 01:44:54.789
interesting stuff on it.
1922
01:44:55.729 --> 01:45:01.850
Yeah, I'm down. Well, all right. There are my final thoughts. Thomas, Juan,
1923
01:45:02.050 --> 01:45:04.789
you guys are the best. We'll come back again for
1924
01:45:04.930 --> 01:45:08.899
the Holy Mountain. Anything else we need to say before
1925
01:45:08.939 --> 01:45:10.239
we wrap this puppy up?
1926
01:45:12.340 --> 01:45:13.800
I feel like we have to say, like, you know,
1927
01:45:13.840 --> 01:45:17.819
Christ is King. Amen. God bless you all. I'm sorry, Jesus,
1928
01:45:17.840 --> 01:45:20.819
for watching this. I invited demons in my house unknowingly,
1929
01:45:20.890 --> 01:45:24.189
so please... get rid of them if you can before
1930
01:45:24.229 --> 01:45:26.229
we put on Holy Mountain. I feel like if you
1931
01:45:26.250 --> 01:45:28.729
don't cleanse, and I'm not going to use sage either.
1932
01:45:28.770 --> 01:45:30.850
I'm just going to pray to Jesus. That's where it ends.
1933
01:45:30.890 --> 01:45:31.310
That's right.
1934
01:45:31.970 --> 01:45:33.750
Amen. Amen.
1935
01:45:34.710 --> 01:45:41.220
Well, with that, folks, it's the Illuminati Cowboys ride. Illuminati
1936
01:45:41.600 --> 01:45:44.220
Cowboys ride.