#253 | Giordano Bruno and the Hermetic Tradition with Professor Longo

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Welcome back to another episode of the one-on-one podcast it's
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been over a year since i recorded an episode an
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official podcast episode but we're here and we're starting off
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with one of my favorite guests one of my favorite
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people the owner of the dancing hippopotamus in in florida
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professor longo what's up dude.
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What's going on man thanks for having me happy to
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be uh the first guest back. This is huge. This
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is huge news.
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It is. It is huge, bro. And you know, it's funny.
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And we've been talking about, uh, one, one of your,
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this came out a while ago, right? Like one of
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your newer books, I guess. I mean, I know you
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have a new one now, but we're going to be
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talking about this. I actually got two copies of this, bro.
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Who was, who's sending out the, the, I have, I
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have two cars. I have a sealed one now and
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I have this one that I opened up.
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I don't know how that happened, honestly, but you can
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sell one if you want.
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No, no, no.
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They sold out. They're pretty valuable now.
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Really?
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Oh, shit. Yeah, they sold out maybe February this year.
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Oh, damn, dude.
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On eBay, they're like $ 200, $ 300.
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Really?
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That's crazy.
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That's wild.
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Monad, the first book, they've gone for like $ 250, $ 300,
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which is wild to me because it's like, what, four
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times the retail price.
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I have a copy of that, right?
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Yeah it's flattering i guess.
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Well i just want to say dude that the first
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of all the cover art the you know the dust
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cover here is beautiful and i also want to say
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that the quality you know so the quality of this
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is not just like a regular joe schmo book this
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is a hard copy book very beautiful And then on
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top of that, the quality of the pages, it's not
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regular paper. You know, it's an actual, what would you,
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what is this dude? Like, what would you call it?
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This is like actual legitimately high quality.
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It's basically paper that you use in art books, like
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coffee table books. So paper thickness is measured in pounds.
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I don't actually know why that is. I'm assuming I
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might get roasted for this. But I assume it's something
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like how much a bundle weighs or whatever. But 100-pound paper,
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which is what that is, is really thick paper. Yes.
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That's like something you're using in an art book. Even
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80-pound paper, which is what we used in our most
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recent book, is very thick paper. That's in 100-pound paper
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with a high gloss on it. We had to custom
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order it from Italy. Yes. We actually saw that paper
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used in an art book that I own. And Tony,
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who's my business partner for Gallaglass Books, was like, dude,
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we should find out what paper this is and order
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this specific paper and use it for Bruno. And we
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did that. We just asked our printer, like, can you
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find out what they used in this and can we
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get it? And so we got it. And it was
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worth it. I mean, the funny thing is it makes
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it a four-pound book. which is ridiculous if you know books.
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A three-pound book is a heavy book. So shipping those
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internationally was really funny. Some people would be paying the
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same amount to ship it as the book cost and stuff. Wow. Yeah,
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we printed 2,500 of them. They all sold in maybe
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eight months or so. So yeah, it's sort of a
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rare book.
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Wow, well. I got two copies. If anyone's interested, I'll
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let it go for $ 5, 000. I was going to say, dude,
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we should have done, we should have done this earlier
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and I would have done like an affiliate link, but
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there is none.
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So good luck. We're really upping the demand here. We're
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promoting a book that is not for sale.
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Well, you know, first of all, Giordano Bruno, uh, very
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interesting character in history. And then this book is written
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by Francis Yates, which is one of my favorite authors,
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which she has contributed so much to history, hermeticism, the occult, right?
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So many different things. Why'd you pick this particular book
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out of all the ones? I mean, obviously, right. You
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could get the rights to it, but was there something
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else that led you to picking this specific book?
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Yeah, I get that question a lot on how we
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pick the books. Uh, there's a lot of different factors.
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A lot of it is kind of, you said just
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really practical reasons, like what do we even have access to,
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you know, things that are public domain or things that
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we're getting, um, permission to license. Uh, like this book is,
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we licensed it from Rutledge. Um, so they own. or
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distribute like University of Chicago, who publishes the paperback of
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Drew Bell and Bruno on the Hermetic tradition. I think
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they distribute for Oxford too. They agreed to license it
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to us for like a special edition, which is really cool.
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So once we got that news back, we're like, okay,
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now I have to go ahead and do this. But
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we had done Monad, which is a collection of Neoplatonism
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and figured this was a pretty logical next step to
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kind of stay in the esoteric world. We'd already kind
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of had an audience, uh, of customers and people interested
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and people who are helping promote the book that could
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very easily promote this book. So we wouldn't have to
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kind of start over in a new market. And, uh,
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you know, and those are practical reasons, but obviously we
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were big fans of the book of Francis Yates. Um,
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super interested in everything in this book to me it's
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like hard to put down because it doesn't just cover
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Bruno's life it covers obviously hermeticism the whole renaissance and
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all these other characters you know in the renaissance and
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then some of like the early enlightenment afterwards so we
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thought it would just be amazing um and thought that
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there was a big opportunity because the paperback is really
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terrible uh to be honest it's very ugly The it's
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a $ 36 paperback. I sell it in my bookstore, so
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I know it very well. Uh, $ 36 for paperback is
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very expensive. Um, it has a very low quality cover
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on the paperbacks. Like, you know, this really cheap covers
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that are almost like print on demand where you're the
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oil on your hands comes off on the cover and stuff.
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It has one of those. Um, so it's really expensive
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and very low quality. because it's an academic publisher at
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the University of Chicago, so they do not care. They
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charge academic prices. And on top of that, as far
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as the interior goes, there's artwork throughout the whole book.
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So not illustrations, but images. Because Francis Yates is trying
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to get the idea across for you to understand that
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in the Renaissance, Hermeticism, magic, astrology, Kabbalah, etc., These were
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not like fringe hobbies. They were central to the intellectual
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milieu of the Renaissance. So the people who mattered, you know,
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the people really like pushing ideas, pushing the Renaissance, were
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all into all of this stuff. And in order to
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get that point across, she's using images. She's saying, look,
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you have this guy, you know, this Medici who's funding
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all this stuff. If you look in his apartment and
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his house, there's astrological deacons, you know, painted on the
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walls and, you know, on the floor of the Siena Cathedral,
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there's Hermes Trismegistus and a mosaic on the floor in
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a cathedral, which is pretty wacky.
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What's the name of that cathedral?
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The Siena Cathedral, I believe it's called. It's the frontispiece
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of the Giordano Bruno Hermetic Tradition.
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Let me pull that up here because I didn't know that. Oh, yeah,
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it is. Oh, that's where that painting comes from. I've
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seen that before.
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Yeah, exactly. So it's a very famous image. But what's
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interesting is you always see it in black and white
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and you never really see it in full color. And
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it has like a border around it. It's beautiful. And
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so in all the paperbacks and even in the first
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edition of Francis Yates' book, from the fifties, that image
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is in the book in black and white, and it's
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completely blurred. It's a scan of a scan of a
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scan because they're too cheap basically to license a photo, um,
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either from an institution that holds the rights to it
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or from a photographer, whatever it is. Um, and so
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for every single picture in the book, they're all blurry
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and they're all black and white. They're terrible. Like if
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you buy the paperback, there might as well not even
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be images in it as far as I'm concerned, because
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she's showing a Renaissance painting. There should be this unbelievably
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beautiful colorful thing. And you're seeing like a black and
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white scan of it. It's like a scan of a scan.
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So we thought there was an opportunity there basically to
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reconstruct the book and what we did is we contacted
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probably 25 different institutions that own the rights to these
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images in the book. So all the images are owned
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by different people or libraries or universities all over the world,
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the Warburg Institute, just for Francis Yates worked the Vatican, um,
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hermetic libraries in the Netherlands, you know, all this sort
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of stuff. We contacted all of them because their pictures
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are in the book, but they're terrible. So we said, Hey,
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do you have a high resolution scan of this in color?
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And I mean, it's sort of obvious that they do
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because they own it. Yeah. And so we basically, they
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came back and are like, yeah, we have high resolution
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pictures of that. And we said, okay, we'll pay to
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license them. And they said, sure. We had to go
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down a really big checklist to kind of get all
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the images, but the whole book now is full of
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high resolution scans in color of everything in the book. Yeah.
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So those are, uh, the, uh, Medici, I think it's Medici, right? Apartments. Um, no, Borgia, Borgia, sorry.
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It's the Borgia apartments.
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Oh, the apartments.
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Yeah. Yeah. Um, so those, those are astrological deacons. We
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just showed it's Aries, the three deacons of Aries. Um,
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so all that kind of stuff you can't even see,
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and there's beautiful paintings, um, where the Renaissance painters are
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using lapis lazuli to create blue paint. That was sort
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of a very popular, luxurious thing to do in the
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Renaissance was import lapis. from like Afghanistan, from Egypt. It's
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unbelievably expensive, which is why they're doing it. But it's
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one of the only ways to create a really nice
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natural blue. You grind up lapis, use it in the paint,
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and they would reserve that, usually for like Mary, like
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you see her wearing blue a lot, or for like
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something in the painting that's supposed to get a lot
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of emphasis. You know, then painting something blue, saying this
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is important. This is something we wanted to spend money
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on to make it blue and to make it stand out.
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And so there's paintings in the book where the whole
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background is this bright lapis Royal blue. And when you
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buy the paperback, it's a black and white. So it's like,
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you know what I mean? It's like, come on, like
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the paperbacks, $ 36 are hardcover $ 60. They're like fully restored.
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So yeah. Yeah.
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They would take this valuable mineral, which I'm sure is
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being mined by some poor Ethiopian, or not, well, this
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is Afghanistan, but some poor boy in a village somewhere
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in Afghanistan, and they grind it up like this, and
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then they, oh yeah, right here, during the Middle Ages
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and Renaissance, it was the most expensive pigment available, gold
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being second. So it was even more expensive than gold.
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and was often reserved for depicting the robes of angels
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and the Virgin Mary.
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Wow. Yeah. If something is painted in lapis blue, it's important.
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I mean, it's literally saying whoever commissioned the painting was
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willing to spend incredible amounts of money to paint it
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blue because that was not something you could just casually do.
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So would this be that blue?
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No, because that's more iconography. But if you look up
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Renaissance painting of Mary, oftentimes she'll be in a blue
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sash or something like that. And inside the book, too,
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one thing a lot of people don't notice, but inside
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Giordano Giordano, the Hermetic tradition, Yeats is an academic. And
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so when Yeats is referring to the works of Bruno
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and the works of Pico or the works of Ficino, whoever,
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she's referring to their works in their proper Latin titles
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because she's an academic. So she's assuming, you know, academics
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know Latin or that they recognize the books by their
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original title, not by a translated English title. You know,
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so Bruno has a book called the, the, Expulsion of
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the Triumphant Beast. And people know of that book by
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its English title. But if you're reading Frances Yates, she's
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referring to it by its Latin title, which is obviously
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this ridiculous, you know, it's like six words in Latin. And,
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experience where it feels overly academic, you know, You feel
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like you're just reading Latin and it's sort of, you know,
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annoying because she's referring to the book several times in
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a single paragraph, but she's not referring to it by
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the title you know it by. She's referring to it
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in Latin. And so we went in and we said, hey,
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this is going to be like a reader's edition. You know,
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we're going to just ax all the Latin titles. This
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is just academic nonsense. So we went in and Any
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book that had an accepted English translation for its title,
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we swapped it out. We didn't, you know, I wasn't
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sitting there translating them myself or something. These are agreed
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upon titles for the books. And so we swapped them
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out and I think it makes it just a better
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reading experience personally. So you have the color images and
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I just think it's a way, way better version.
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Yeah, no, definitely. And, you know, these, the other copy
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that you're talking about, it feels almost very dry, very stale,
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almost like they're trying to snuff out the greatness, essentially,
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that this knowledge, because one thing that's always stuck with
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me is, because I was going to write a book
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on the homunculus, but one of the things that stopped
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me from doing it, I was like, oh, this has
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already been written about. People have already written about Alchemy,
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people have already written about these other things. And I
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had Ronnie Pontiac. He's like, listen, that's okay that people
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have already written about it. But every generation's job is
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to carry on the knowledge in their own words, right?
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To pass on the torch to the next. So by
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you guys taking this outdated sort of version that really
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nobody was really paying attention to and updating it and
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bringing it forward to a new audience that otherwise wouldn't
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have gotten to it. I mean, that's important work. You're
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spreading the knowledge and you're making it, again, accessible is
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maybe not the word to put it because obviously you
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sold out of it and now whoever has it has it,
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which that's crazy, dude, that people are looking. I mean,
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at least 2,500 people have it that either appreciate it
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or are interested in this. And that's important work.
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We shipped to, you wouldn't even believe, like every country
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you could think of, we shipped a copy to.
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It's unbelievable. Like we're shipping to like South Africa and
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Chile and India, Japan, Sweden, like just any, anything you
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can think of all over the world. It was so cool.
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It's such an honor. I mean, it's really flattering. I
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think what you said as far as sort of, you know,
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keeping things up to date and putting your own stance
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on things with each generation, Mona out of the first
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book was even more um important in that way because
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neoplatonism is not something that is like accessible to most
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people most people are just like where do i start
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you know i don't even know neoplatonism is um and
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so we thought well let's just take a bunch of
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their writings and put them in one big volume and
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that's where you'll start you know you don't have to
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go buy a bunch of different books um and you
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know use the best translation and stuff so i thought
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that that was like we sold a sold out of that, too.
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We made 2,000 of them. But to me, that felt
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like those 2,000 people, I wouldn't say I'd never heard
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of some of those authors, but probably had not read
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a lot of those authors, but were really interested, too.
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And this kind of plays directly into Plato and Gerardo Bruno,
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where Medici orders Ficino to translate Hermes before Plato, before
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he was able to die. Well, before he passes, in
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order to know. So can we talk a little bit
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about what is the whole premise behind the Hermetic tradition?
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I know that's a blanket term, but what the core
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tenets are, who is Hermes Trismegistus, where They have a
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picture of him, this mosaic in a church, which is
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very interesting. It's almost heretical in a way, but alchemists
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revered him. They looked up to him. They talked about
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him being the first alchemist, essentially. He's one of the
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pivotal figures in that. And also, I've heard people talk
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about him almost... being a messiah. Like, was Hermes real?
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Was he not? Can we talk a little bit about
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what the Hermetic tradition is, what the core tenets are,
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and just go down that line?
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Yes, absolutely. The Hermetic tradition, like you said, it's a
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very loose term, especially in our day. But the Hermetic
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tradition is primarily based on the Corpus Hermeticum, which is
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a set of writings from the first, second, third century,
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give or take, which are attributed to a sage philosopher
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prophet named Hermes Trismegistus. Those writings are claiming in people
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who are sort of followers of those writings are claiming
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that Hermes Trismegistus lived around the time of Moses or
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even before the time of Moses. And in that worldview
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of sort of pre-enlightenment thinking, medieval thinking, ancient thinking, the
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older is better, right? So if you're a believer in
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the Presbytheologia, you know, this sort of syncretic wisdom, you know,
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that there is one truth that kind of purveys all things.
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The older something is, the closer to the source it is.
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And so in Renaissance thinking, they're reading and studying Hermeticism,
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which is coming back from Constantinople, from Byzantium. like you said,
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Medici had Marsilio Ficino translate the Corpus Hermeticum, and all
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of a sudden people are reading it, and they're reading
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it thinking that the sage, philosopher, prophet Hermes is older
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than Moses, which means he is closer to the source
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of this wisdom than even Moses was. And so to them,
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the Corpus Hermeticum becomes almost like an old Old Testament.
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It's almost like an add-on prior to the Bible. It
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was really held in that regard. And that's the case
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of Francis Yates' making is that they weren't just interested
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in these things as a hobby. They really saw like, oh,
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this is like ancient wisdom. This is potentially Egyptian wisdom
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or things which predate the Old Testament. Not obviously like Genesis,
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but Moses type of events. And therefore, they're holding truths
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that are potentially even more pure, that have not been
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as diluted or removed from the source as later wisdom.
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of foreshadowing Christianity as well. And so they did not
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see hermeticism as being in conflict with with Christianity. They
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saw it, you know, much like Christians will believe that,
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or do believe that the events of the Old Testament
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are types or, you know, prophecies or it's all leading
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up to Christ, you know, in the events of Jesus.
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And then obviously after Jesus, it's the same thing, right?
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So they thought like, the Hermetic tradition, the Torpus Hermeticum,
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the teachings of Hermes Trismegistus, are not contradictory to Christianity.
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They're actually foreshadowing Christianity. They're older than Judaism, which means
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they're sort of more principled, more pure. And they held
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them in incredibly high regard. I'm sure you've read, but
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the Hermetic Corpus is both very mundane and very esoteric.
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It's very, very interesting reading. It doesn't seem to be that, um,
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that out there, you know, it's not like, but it,
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but of course it is at the same point. Sorry.
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At the same time. Um, a lot of the teachings
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are very basic wisdom, you know, about harmony in the
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world about, you know, justice in the world about what
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being a human is, um, all that sort of stuff.
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They're sort of basic spiritual teachings. And of course it
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does get much more esoteric. And if you read into it,
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it can become extremely esoteric. Obviously the Renaissance thinkers kind
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of use it as a launch pad for a lot
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of their thinking as far as astrology, magic, Kabbalah, that
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sort of stuff. And they're using Hermeticism as kind of
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a launch pad into that because it's a lot It's
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much more of a direct line than something like you're
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reading the old Testament or Christianity. You're not immediately going
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to launch off into, uh, you know, alchemy, astrology, magic.
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not reading it like, Oh yeah, I see. Totally. Yeah.
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The wheels start turning, but the hermetic tradition is putting
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forth the idea that the, the world, the universe is
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a living, being you know that all things are connected
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um all things are alive all things are um correspondent
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to each other you know that there's sort of a
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web covering everything and of course it starts with a
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one but you know there's lines going throughout that connect
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you know planets with certain metals with certain animals with
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certain letters um And, you know, you can very quickly
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see how that can get esoteric. But on its principle,
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it's not that esoteric. You know, it's sort of, I
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wouldn't say self-evident, but it's sort of pretty basic spiritual
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type of stuff. But in the Renaissance, they get these
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teachings and it becomes part of, obviously, you know, an
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esoteric revival, really. And it creates... you know, early science, right?
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Francis Yates is making the case in the book that
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science is not something for, it's not something that happens
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after we sober up from, you know, our esotericism, right?
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It's not like the Renaissance happens, everyone's in all this
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crazy stuff. And then right after in the enlightenment, we
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kind of get our senses and come back to science, right?
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Those two things are not separate. the Renaissance esotericism is
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what creates the scientific revolution. You know, the scientific revolution
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is not in opposition to the Renaissance. The Renaissance is
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what gives birth to it. And that's a huge kind
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of light bulb that goes off when reading the book.
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It's like, oh, these things are interconnected, right? Alchemy becomes
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chemistry and astrology becomes astronomy. Yeah. And you start thinking like, oh, I've,
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I've kind of had it wrong. Like esotericism is not
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separate from science. It is the foundation of science really, um,
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out of the Renaissance for the most part. Um, and
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it's also, you know, a big part of, of, uh,
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Renaissance philosophy, of theology, of, uh, this sort of exposure
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to world religions. in Europe at that time. I mean,
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it's really, really an interesting time. And it ends up with,
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in the early 1600s, you get the Enlightenment. The Enlightenment
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is when people sober up, so to speak. You know,
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you get, like, scientific empiricism. You know, you get Descartes.
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and you get all these sort of people and everything
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starts to become more and more like rational, scientific, you know,
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I need to see the evidence. I'm skeptical of everything,
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that sort of stuff. And philosophy start, you know, of course,
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you know, it ends up with a, you know, a
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lot of the founding father types of things, very like
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political philosophy, things like that. But the reason that it
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ends up with political philosophy is, is that the Renaissance
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Hermeticism is putting a massive emphasis on the human, the
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human being as the center of, of the world, basically.
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So a lot, a lot of times you'll hear people
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talk about Renaissance humanism, um, and humanism ends up becoming
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sort of this enlightenment type thinking, um, which is where
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we get a lot of our civil rights type of stuff. Um,
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with the american constitution and all that kind of stuff
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but it's coming out of the renaissance putting man at
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the center you.
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You bring up an interesting point because we always talk
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about right in the in the conspiracy circles oh the
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the elites are into magic they practice the occult which
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is true because we see this the medici family which
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if i'm not mistaken they commissioned one of the first
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tarot decks, right? The Medici, I believe it was them.
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One of them, I'll have to confirm, but there's a
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deck that's missing the devil. One of the earliest decks
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that's missing the devil and some people speculate.
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The Visconti deck?
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The Visconti, yes, Visconti. Visconti. tarot deck which again another
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influential and all the people in the paintings are family
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members okay the visconti.
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Do what i did not know that yes.
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So a lot of their the people in the hero
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let me look it up here forza yeah the visconti's
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forza tarot but the visconti family again very wealthy people
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The Visconti of Milan, which, again, if you guys have
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ever seen anything and are living in the world, I mean,
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this is their, right, their coat of arms. Again, very
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influential people.
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Yeah, it's crazy.
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Okay. And this particular tarot deck, which is one of
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the earliest ones, I want to say, is missing the
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devil card. And some people speculate that it's missing because
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they're actually worshipping it. Not worshipping it, but using it
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as a talisman of some sort.
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Right. Interesting.
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So, again, let me find that part where everyone in
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the deck is actually a family member. And let's see here.
471
00:31:10.230 --> 00:31:19.980
I have to find it. Skunti Tarot. Again, point being that...
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00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:25.380
Specific family members and ancestors are famously depicted when the
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artistic iconography of the Trump cards. So they're in, they're
474
00:31:32.059 --> 00:31:37.779
essentially immortalized in this tarot deck, which tarot has its own, uh,
475
00:31:38.339 --> 00:31:42.839
you know, uh, a cult connotations and it's a cult significance. Uh,
476
00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:46.380
but point being that these families are doing this occult knowledge.
477
00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:52.309
And how do you think, with this idea of humanism,
478
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the microcosm, macrocosm, we're all connected, a sort of string
479
00:31:56.789 --> 00:31:59.779
theory sort of thing. A modern day string theory essentially
480
00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:03.740
is what that is. And the occult was actually tapping
481
00:32:03.799 --> 00:32:06.000
into that way before it was called the string theory.
482
00:32:06.500 --> 00:32:09.140
But how do you think this affected the elites at
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the time who wanted to keep control over the people
484
00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:14.329
of like, hey, wait a minute, if they tap into
485
00:32:14.349 --> 00:32:17.869
this occult knowledge, then they might start looking within and
486
00:32:18.630 --> 00:32:20.910
to try and empower themselves. You get what I'm saying?
487
00:32:20.930 --> 00:32:23.450
Like how, what kind of effect would that have had
488
00:32:23.470 --> 00:32:24.740
at the time?
489
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Yeah. Oh, I mean, it would have been disastrous to,
490
00:32:29.380 --> 00:32:34.259
you know, medieval Renaissance era political systems. I mean, what
491
00:32:34.299 --> 00:32:40.160
if it's Machiavellian stuff, like these are tyrannical city States and,
492
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you know, control the very wealthy aristocrats. I mean, it
493
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:51.460
could not have had people reading, uh, the hermetic corpus or, um,
494
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coming to understand, you know, the one and, you know,
495
00:32:55.680 --> 00:32:59.529
how things are connected and how they are themselves a
496
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reflection of all this sort of stuff. I mean, again,
497
00:33:02.730 --> 00:33:07.269
they sound like sort of basic spiritual teachings, but like
498
00:33:07.309 --> 00:33:10.410
you're saying for most people, that's not basic, especially at
499
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that time. Like it was not general knowledge.
500
00:33:14.150 --> 00:33:17.440
Um, Not that they could read, right? I mean, you
501
00:33:17.460 --> 00:33:18.759
have to first start reading.
502
00:33:18.779 --> 00:33:22.660
Not that they could read anyway, but you could not
503
00:33:22.700 --> 00:33:25.920
have people out there preaching that sort of stuff. The
504
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people who were involved with it, like I said, are
505
00:33:28.369 --> 00:33:32.789
the people who mattered. The intellectuals of the time, the
506
00:33:32.849 --> 00:33:38.150
very wealthy families of the time, everyone was dabbling in Hermeticism.
507
00:33:39.410 --> 00:33:44.490
And Hermeticism, as well as Neoplatonism, right, it's Those two
508
00:33:44.529 --> 00:33:49.690
things are not very different. They are different, but they
509
00:33:49.730 --> 00:33:53.690
do have many of the same teachings, right? Plato is
510
00:33:53.930 --> 00:34:00.049
using the city as a metaphor for the human, right?
511
00:34:00.089 --> 00:34:06.019
So in the Republic, the Republic is a utopia, but
512
00:34:06.099 --> 00:34:08.780
he's not saying you should actually do all this sort
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of stuff. He's saying that, you know, and this is only,
514
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:14.139
by the way, referred to in the public in like
515
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:18.159
two lines or so, where he lets it go that
516
00:34:18.179 --> 00:34:20.980
he's like, yeah, this is all a metaphor. Like, you know,
517
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:26.769
this is interesting for working out kind of principles and ideas.
518
00:34:27.329 --> 00:34:30.090
But he's like, I'm not saying that we should have this.
519
00:34:32.289 --> 00:34:37.199
And he uses the Republic, the city, as a metaphor
520
00:34:37.300 --> 00:34:42.760
for the human mind, right? And the hermeticists are saying
521
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that the human mind or the human is the same thing, right?
522
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:51.860
It's a reflection of the perfect city or the perfect universe.
523
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:57.610
You know, everything is reflecting, um, everything else. And so
524
00:34:57.670 --> 00:35:00.949
they're saying, you know, you can know yourself and you'll
525
00:35:00.989 --> 00:35:03.130
know the world or the opposite, right? You can know
526
00:35:03.170 --> 00:35:05.389
the world and then come to know yourself. So that's
527
00:35:05.429 --> 00:35:09.199
a very magical way of thinking, right? If you can
528
00:35:09.300 --> 00:35:14.480
learn through science about the world, you can learn about
529
00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:17.679
what it means to be harmonious with the world, then
530
00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:22.980
you can yourself be placed within that harmony. You can
531
00:35:23.059 --> 00:35:25.599
find your place in the world by knowing the world.
532
00:35:26.820 --> 00:35:30.119
It's that sort of idea, which is contrary to what
533
00:35:30.139 --> 00:35:32.500
a lot of people think. A lot of people think
534
00:35:32.539 --> 00:35:38.269
that these Renaissance magicians are going against nature. that they're
535
00:35:38.349 --> 00:35:41.349
cheating or that they are trying to get one to
536
00:35:41.469 --> 00:35:45.829
manipulate nature. It's actually quite the opposite. Because they're founded
537
00:35:45.869 --> 00:35:53.099
on these hermetic principles, they're trying to find their space
538
00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:58.780
in nature, where they belong, and harmonize themselves with the
539
00:35:58.840 --> 00:36:02.670
world as a whole. They see the world, the natural world,
540
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as being perfect, as everything has its place, everything has
541
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its path. Um, and they want to find where they,
542
00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:14.059
you know, belonging in that and basically toss themselves down.
543
00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:18.380
Even Alistair Crowley, he says every man and every woman is,
544
00:36:18.699 --> 00:36:21.489
is a star. And what he means when he says
545
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that is if you read the rest of the passage
546
00:36:24.469 --> 00:36:27.690
is he's saying every man, every woman is like a
547
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star in the sky, right? The stars don't bump into
548
00:36:30.789 --> 00:36:31.170
each other.
549
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Right.
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They have a perfect path across the sky. They never
551
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waver off that path. They never hit into other stars
552
00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:43.699
or whatever. And he's saying, basically, if you are a
553
00:36:43.860 --> 00:36:48.480
real magician, you know, someone who finds their will, what
554
00:36:48.539 --> 00:36:51.579
they're here to do, what their place in the world is,
555
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:54.480
that you'll be just like that star. You won't have,
556
00:36:54.500 --> 00:36:59.300
you know, headwinds, right? You won't have things crashing into you.
557
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:04.139
Things will become, the path will kind of open up, basically.
558
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:08.349
And Yeah, so the Renaissance magicians, the same sort of thing.
559
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They're trying to investigate the natural order through kind of
560
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science and the esoteric sciences in order to place themselves
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within the natural order, really, which is different from Platonism.
562
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Neoplatonism is much more mystical than Neoplatonists are. you know,
563
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are not really that interested in science per se. You know,
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they're more interested in ascending and, you know, contemplating sort
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00:37:44.739 --> 00:37:50.000
of metaphysical truths and principles and stripping things back.
566
00:37:52.659 --> 00:37:53.599
Yeah.
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Hermeticism lends to magic, basically, because it's a natural, it
568
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sort of fits in very well with the natural world.
569
00:38:02.769 --> 00:38:10.219
And it's very Gnostic, right? Like, would you consider Hermeticism Gnostic?
570
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I mean, technically it came before Gnosticism, but I guess
571
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you can see some of those pieces within Gnosticism. And
572
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I mean, again, alchemy, Gnosticism as well, they were kind
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of all put together because as time goes on, religious beliefs, spiritual,
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mystical beliefs evolve and they syncretize with one another, right?
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So you start to see pieces here and there. of
576
00:38:32.389 --> 00:38:36.329
all that. The Platonists, sure, some people call them Gnostics.
577
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They were very Gnostic in their thinking. But mind you,
578
00:38:39.510 --> 00:38:44.469
it was before everything from the Bible, right? If we're
579
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talking about the Corpus Hermeticum being some sort of knowledge
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before the time of Moses, I mean, where did that
581
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come from? And then you get the idea of the one,
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the source, right? That the That the universe is a
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living thing, which I don't know if that's heretical or not,
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or if that's the way God intended it to be,
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where the universe, right, the macro and the micro, they
586
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work together. And what I love about this time in
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history is the way that they looked at humanism as
588
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a sort of superpower, right? I want to get into
589
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Bruno's memory stuff later, but the concept of using memory,
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memory palaces, and all these different things as a sort of,
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superpower to tap into that and kind of unlock your
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full potential. if you will.
593
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Yeah.
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You know what I mean?
595
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Yeah, absolutely, yeah. Like you're saying, the presupposition that the
596
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human is sort of this perfect creation, that the human
597
00:39:43.059 --> 00:39:49.250
is the center of the world, that presupposition leads you
598
00:39:49.909 --> 00:39:53.510
like you're saying to get into many other things, um,
599
00:39:53.869 --> 00:39:58.130
of course, a big interest in the imagination, um, in
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memory and the sort of non material sciences, you know,
601
00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:08.699
the intellectual sciences, um, all the people covered in Giordano
602
00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:13.860
Bruno and hermetic tradition are, are real Renaissance men. You know,
603
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:16.809
they're not, that, that is, you know, that term really
604
00:40:16.849 --> 00:40:21.389
does apply. Um, to these people, they really were not
605
00:40:21.630 --> 00:40:25.389
one trick ponies. You know, Bruno is not any one thing. Um,
606
00:40:26.409 --> 00:40:32.010
he's a Catholic monk. He, he leaves the monastic order
607
00:40:32.030 --> 00:40:36.039
and gets kicked out. Um, and, and there's kind of
608
00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:38.599
debate over all of that, but he gets caught reading
609
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:44.340
like Erasmus, which is like banned at the time. Um,
610
00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:47.360
he had very, he was not so much into the Trinity. Um,
611
00:40:49.050 --> 00:40:53.110
because he thought of God as one, many other things.
612
00:40:53.190 --> 00:40:56.579
And he basically gets out of that and no one
613
00:40:56.679 --> 00:41:03.059
really knows how Bruno becomes Bruno, which is very interesting.
614
00:41:04.119 --> 00:41:08.659
You know, he's a Catholic monk. He's very early on
615
00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:10.369
in his training. I mean, he's not a monk for
616
00:41:10.389 --> 00:41:15.349
too long, but then all of a sudden he sort
617
00:41:15.389 --> 00:41:20.389
of pops onto the scene And he's very close with
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aristocrats and royalty, especially royalty in France.
619
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Could he have been a spy, bro?
620
00:41:32.309 --> 00:41:37.469
That's been supposed. Actually, almost like a double agent has
621
00:41:37.510 --> 00:41:42.550
been supposed. Because John Dee was almost definitely a spy.
622
00:41:44.030 --> 00:41:47.739
But people have said that when he travels to England
623
00:41:47.820 --> 00:41:50.739
because he goes to France and what he does is
624
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:53.420
what you're talking about. He sells the art of memory.
625
00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:58.159
So he's able to get in with royal families and
626
00:41:58.179 --> 00:42:02.719
aristocrats wherever he goes, because he has a talent in
627
00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:07.880
a sort of educational platform. That's very, very rare. And
628
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at that time is a literal superpower. Like, like you're saying,
629
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most people can't read, you know, You're not carrying around
630
00:42:16.980 --> 00:42:21.380
books of stuff to reference all the time. You might
631
00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:24.300
be lucky to have a library, etc. To be able
632
00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:27.389
to remember things or have a really good memory is
633
00:42:27.780 --> 00:42:30.989
almost like having a computer. It's like an actual superpower
634
00:42:31.550 --> 00:42:34.550
at that time. And so royal families would be happy
635
00:42:34.590 --> 00:42:38.409
to have him train and tutor their kids or train
636
00:42:38.449 --> 00:42:43.199
them tricks in order to advance their memory. That's how
637
00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:46.119
he was able to Wherever he went, he went to France,
638
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:51.940
went to England, to Germany. He went to Prague, the
639
00:42:51.980 --> 00:42:56.409
Holy Roman Empire at the time. And somehow, you know,
640
00:42:56.449 --> 00:43:00.269
he ends up at these really high courts. It's no mystery, though.
641
00:43:00.510 --> 00:43:03.730
It's really just a testament to how good he was
642
00:43:03.829 --> 00:43:06.429
at that, that he could show up in a place he,
643
00:43:06.449 --> 00:43:10.090
you know, he's not from. I assume he doesn't know
644
00:43:10.130 --> 00:43:12.489
any people or, you know, know much of the language.
645
00:43:12.510 --> 00:43:14.269
And all of a sudden, he's like right next to
646
00:43:14.309 --> 00:43:15.659
the Yeah, the prince.
647
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:19.320
Or the queen. Well, part of this whole thing is
648
00:43:19.460 --> 00:43:23.650
also charisma. And maybe he was so charismatic and he
649
00:43:23.690 --> 00:43:26.190
was so good at speaking to people that he was
650
00:43:26.329 --> 00:43:29.130
able to get them in a sort of trance to
651
00:43:29.150 --> 00:43:29.500
be like, hey.
652
00:43:29.530 --> 00:43:32.630
Yeah, it could be a Rasputin type of situation. I mean,
653
00:43:32.710 --> 00:43:37.519
we don't really know. He gets in with a French family.
654
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:40.199
It's been a little bit since I've read the books.
655
00:43:40.300 --> 00:43:47.570
I don't have their names memorized. but he gets in
656
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with some French royalty aristocrats and they take him to
657
00:43:52.510 --> 00:43:58.500
England and he stays in England and he lectures, uh,
658
00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:01.500
at some of the universities in England around the same time,
659
00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:06.420
of course, that John D is living, that Francis Bacon
660
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is living, that William Shakespeare is living. I mean, all
661
00:44:11.239 --> 00:44:17.059
of these people, um, Queen Elizabeth I, of course. And
662
00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:21.280
Bruno finds himself in very high positions within England. He
663
00:44:21.380 --> 00:44:27.840
also finds himself, of course, in a country that is
664
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sort of increasingly hostile to Catholic Christianity. And so people
665
00:44:34.929 --> 00:44:39.650
suspect that he was being used as a spy. There's
666
00:44:39.969 --> 00:44:42.510
a whole book on this. I haven't read it yet. Really?
667
00:44:42.550 --> 00:44:46.300
What's the name of it? it would make sense to
668
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:49.340
write this i would consider him an occultist these occultists
669
00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:53.730
these guys were in this sort of secret network where
670
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they were holding this information this essentially sacred knowledge because
671
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you know the whole thing with hermeticism is the correspondence
672
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is everything is connected and and through the use of
673
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talismans magic you know this this art form you're able
674
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to tap further into that you know using images and
675
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things of that nature and So it makes sense that
676
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they were part of maybe a secret society to maybe
677
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infiltrate the hierarchy, the top of the top. Like, who
678
00:45:20.889 --> 00:45:22.869
are you with? I'm with Pacino. I'm with, you know,
679
00:45:22.909 --> 00:45:25.989
the freaking Rudolph the Second or whoever it is, like
680
00:45:26.170 --> 00:45:29.510
all the most powerful people and influence them.
681
00:45:30.650 --> 00:45:35.769
It's called Giordano Grigliano and the Embassy Affair by John Bossie.
682
00:45:39.139 --> 00:45:41.860
I believe the case he's making is that he was
683
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a sort of double agent where the British were using
684
00:45:45.539 --> 00:45:50.929
him as a spy against the French and Italian Catholics.
685
00:45:50.949 --> 00:45:52.530
Is this a fiction book?
686
00:45:53.889 --> 00:45:55.530
No, I don't believe so. He's a historian.
687
00:45:55.650 --> 00:45:58.989
Oh, it's a biography slash true crime. This book tells
688
00:45:59.050 --> 00:46:03.139
a true detective story set mainly in Elizabethan London during
689
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the years of Cold War just before the Armada of 1588.
690
00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:11.099
The mystery is the identity of a spy working in
691
00:46:11.179 --> 00:46:16.389
foreign embassy to frustrate Catholic conspiracy and propaganda aimed at
692
00:46:16.610 --> 00:46:19.630
the overthrow of Queen Elizabeth and her government.
693
00:46:20.150 --> 00:46:20.929
So is it? Yeah.
694
00:46:22.869 --> 00:46:26.349
Is it a story? Or again, I mean.
695
00:46:26.429 --> 00:46:31.610
Yeah, well, true crime is basically documentary. It's not like a.
696
00:46:31.849 --> 00:46:32.210
True.
697
00:46:32.250 --> 00:46:35.409
True crime is like a crime that actually happened.
698
00:46:35.469 --> 00:46:36.690
You're right, you're right, you're right.
699
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Because I think, yeah, John Bossie's a historian. It's supposed
700
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to be an interesting book. And supposedly there's like an
701
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anonymous informant. He has an alias and people suspect that
702
00:46:49.960 --> 00:46:54.539
it was Bruno. He goes to Germany afterwards. He has
703
00:46:54.619 --> 00:46:57.820
very heated debates in England, by the way. But if
704
00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:02.900
he leaves a lasting impression, you know, Shakespeare is believed
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to have based two different characters on Giordano Bruno. prospero
706
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and the tempest um he's a magician um i.
707
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Guess wait so the prosperous and the tempest is bruno
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you said yeah yeah because the tempest is about john
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d no well.
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So that's the thing is he's blending basically like uh
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d bruno into like this one magician character prospero basically
712
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yeah and then another time where Uh, it's even more,
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let's see if I, I don't know what's the name
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of the other, the other one where it's, uh, it's
715
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also Bruno. Oh, love's labor's loss. Uh, Brown, uh, is
716
00:47:55.730 --> 00:47:59.170
supposed to be Bruno as well. And, you know, so
717
00:47:59.190 --> 00:48:02.639
he leaves this lasting impression. Uh, there's no record by
718
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the way of Bruno and John D meeting, but everyone
719
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kind of knows they did, but nobody, nobody can, point
720
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to a time there's not like like you said maybe
721
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it was in some kind of society or something um
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you know of course whatever it is 15 years after
723
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Bruno dies the Rosicrucians start popping up yeah a lot
724
00:48:25.900 --> 00:48:31.429
of people suppose that Bruno was potentially Christian Rosenkreutz or
725
00:48:31.449 --> 00:48:35.250
at the very least a huge inspiration to the um
726
00:48:35.530 --> 00:48:38.329
the Rosicrucians because he spent quite a bit of time
727
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being German Rosicrucianism obviously coming out of Germany and then
728
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and then he spends time in Prague who we've done
729
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podcasts on but that's another insane time you know you
730
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have all these people.
731
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Because the Illuminati in Germany as well right I mean
732
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Germany seems.
733
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To be the Masons are popping up Um, you know,
734
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in England and elsewhere around the same time too, around 1600.
735
00:49:14.969 --> 00:49:21.769
Bruno dies in 1600. And I think that Bruno, I
736
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think I can confidently call him the last Renaissance man
737
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because he dies in 1600. Right at that time, of course,
738
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it's the turn of the century. You get a whole
739
00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:40.579
new era. The Renaissance is over The sort of idea
740
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of religious tolerance is over. They're obviously burning people alive.
741
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Bruno gets burnt alive. And the Inquisition is cracking down,
742
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and then the Enlightenment comes in, and science takes over,
743
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you know, all this sort of stuff. Secularism, secular humanism.
744
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And so I think Bruno's death almost literally ends the Renaissance,
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because all of a sudden you can't be a free thinker.
746
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If you're a free thinker, you just get burnt to Chris.
747
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And so how can you have anything approximating Renaissance continue
748
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when people are being burnt alive? So I see him
749
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as being the last Renaissance man, because he's literally a
750
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Renaissance man, right? He's into all these different fields, whether
751
00:50:28.849 --> 00:50:33.289
it's science or philosophy, theology, whatever it is. I mean,
752
00:50:33.670 --> 00:50:38.210
his ideas are In science, he's considered a martyr for
753
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science and for free speech. There are scientists who admire
754
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him and have no knowledge or care for his esoteric teachings.
755
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They care that he died for his beliefs in cosmology
756
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and astronomy and for his belief that you should be
757
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able to dare to say those things.
758
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But it seems to be like that throughout history where
759
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they nitpick Like, for example, Isaac Newton. Isaac Newton, yeah.
760
00:51:09.170 --> 00:51:12.159
But he was super into the occult, bro. He was writing,
761
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you know, reading the apocalypse, you know, writing apocalyptic sort
762
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of things, reading about it. He was obsessed with it.
763
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But guess what? They hid that at the library where
764
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all his work was. They put that to the side
765
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and they like sold it off or something like that
766
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because that's too woo-woo. We can't have Isaac Newton.
767
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I think, well, Isaac Newton's a hermeticist and I think that,
768
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I think most of, Isaac Newton's writings are esoteric. I
769
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think that he wrote more on esoteric topics than he
770
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did on gravity or whatever. Yeah, so he's another very...
771
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I think Newton has his own translation of... You could
772
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pull that up. Doesn't Newton have a translation of the
773
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Emerald Tablets or something?
774
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Some weird stuff, bro, so let.
775
00:52:00.420 --> 00:52:02.440
Me see here. Something hermetic.
776
00:52:03.699 --> 00:52:10.030
So... Let me see here. He was... Let's see here.
777
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
778
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So this is one of the more interesting ones. That
779
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he had predicted the end of the world. So that
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Isaac Newton predicted the end of the world in 2060.
781
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So apparently he ran the math. He ran the math.
782
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In 1704, Isaac Newton sat down with a pen and
783
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paper and tried to calculate the end of the world.
784
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He used the Bible, specifically the prophetic numbers. in the
785
00:52:34.030 --> 00:52:37.090
book of daniel so they're breaking down their reading because
786
00:52:37.110 --> 00:52:41.750
again i think the the bible when we look at
787
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it you know and this is why i appreciate the
788
00:52:44.409 --> 00:52:46.840
alchemist and i've been called a gnostic for this but
789
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i think that there is a lot more deeper uh
790
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things within the bible and you know i never really
791
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understood Until recently that I started going back to church
792
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and going to Bible study. And it's funny because the other,
793
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you know, I was at Bible study the other day
794
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and somebody referenced the Nephilim and they're like, oh, but that's,
795
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he's looking at me, the guy talking, he's like, yeah,
796
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but you know, it's a little bit weird. I know
797
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you don't want to talk about that. And I was like, brother,
798
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you have no clue. I didn't say this, but I
799
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was like thinking to myself, I was like, these people
800
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have no idea who I am. Like I've went down
801
00:53:21.190 --> 00:53:25.110
some rabbit holes and trust me, I can hang. But
802
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point being that, The Bible to me really didn't make
803
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sense until you start to really look at the correlations
804
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and the connections and the way that it references, right,
805
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the prophecy and the fulfillment back and forth. And it's
806
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laid out in a certain type of way where if
807
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you're not really looking for that and you're reading it
808
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piece by piece, sure, you can take every single little
809
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piece and interpret that in itself. But it's all connected.
810
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You know, the New Testament, the Old Testament, it's all.
811
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Connected, bro. It's meant to be taken as a whole.
812
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Yes.
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You have to have a holistic approach to something like
814
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the Bible. Because, you know, anyone can sit there and
815
00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:09.000
pick verses that back up whatever point they're trying to make.
816
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You know, you can have someone who, you know, their
817
00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:16.940
bias is towards something and they pick out a few
818
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Bible verses and they're like, see, you know, case closed.
819
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It's in the Bible. I mean, it says it in
820
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the Bible. And it's like, yeah, anyone can pull up
821
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quotes all day long, but you have to take it
822
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as a whole, right? That's kind of my qualm with Mormonism,
823
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and there's many, but is that, to me, the Bible
824
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is a book that has a beginning and an end.
825
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You know, it's not something, I guess it is long too,
826
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but like, it's a book that has a beginning and
827
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an end, or it has a genesis and revelation. It's
828
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not saying like, okay, you know, people will come and
829
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add on to this later. It's, you know, it's pretty
830
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much a bookended thing. And so when you get these
831
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kind of later revelations and whatever, it's in there trying
832
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to later revelations that, you know, maybe not for me,
833
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but I guess it could be fine. But if you're
834
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trying to sort of bandwagon yourself onto the Bible and
835
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and hitch yourself on. It just doesn't, to me, it
836
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makes no sense. You know, it's like completely incoherent to
837
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be like, Oh, well there's this book that has a
838
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beginning and end, except there's a little bit more, you know, that, uh,
839
00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:32.239
there was waiting for me to add it on. It's like, that's,
840
00:55:32.420 --> 00:55:36.579
that makes no sense to me. Um, I mean, Joseph Smith,
841
00:55:36.619 --> 00:55:39.320
I don't know if you know that he changed like
842
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verses to put himself in there and stuff. Um, he
843
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changed verses that said like, there won't, there, there will
844
00:55:45.650 --> 00:55:49.760
be no more prophets. Um, took those out. He put
845
00:55:49.820 --> 00:55:53.159
verses in Genesis saying that there will be a prophet
846
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named Joseph.
847
00:55:54.440 --> 00:55:55.760
Get out of here. Really?
848
00:55:55.940 --> 00:56:00.110
Yeah, it's really wacky stuff. It's sort of out of
849
00:56:00.139 --> 00:56:03.070
his mind. That's beside the point, though.
850
00:56:03.349 --> 00:56:06.570
So, real quick, what you were saying earlier. In fact,
851
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Newton left behind over 5 million words of religious writing,
852
00:56:11.030 --> 00:56:14.300
nearly twice the word count of his published scientific works
853
00:56:14.380 --> 00:56:17.639
on math and physics. Another million words of his known
854
00:56:17.659 --> 00:56:20.260
writings are on alchemy. So he was obsessed with alchemy.
855
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He saw no contradiction in this and his eyes understanding
856
00:56:23.659 --> 00:56:26.260
the universe and understanding God were parts of the same
857
00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:33.050
truth seeking endeavors. So again, back to this Renaissance, this
858
00:56:33.269 --> 00:56:37.070
era of using magic and that sort of paving the
859
00:56:37.150 --> 00:56:41.880
way for the scientific stuff where you're saying where, Now
860
00:56:41.960 --> 00:56:44.460
I need hard evidence. And that's the whole thing with
861
00:56:44.500 --> 00:56:46.480
I think, therefore I am. He could only prove he
862
00:56:46.519 --> 00:56:50.820
was a thinking thing. He couldn't prove his existence or
863
00:56:50.860 --> 00:56:51.559
his reality.
864
00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:52.500
Right?
865
00:56:52.539 --> 00:56:54.019
Rene Descartes.
866
00:56:55.039 --> 00:57:01.559
He also couldn't prove any of the metaphysical presuppositions or
867
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assumptions in that sentence. It's not, I think, therefore I am.
868
00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:11.360
And we all disagree what I is. we all agree
869
00:57:11.380 --> 00:57:13.760
with think means, you know, and then we all agree
870
00:57:13.780 --> 00:57:16.420
what I am is it's like, no, what the hell? Like,
871
00:57:16.699 --> 00:57:20.760
those are all terms that are very much up for debate,
872
00:57:20.820 --> 00:57:26.829
you know, contested and they require a metaphysical worldview to
873
00:57:27.130 --> 00:57:31.670
inform them, you know? And so you can't just be like, okay,
874
00:57:31.710 --> 00:57:35.239
blank slate. I think therefore, like no way, like you
875
00:57:35.420 --> 00:57:38.409
don't get away with that one. Like, we can have
876
00:57:38.429 --> 00:57:41.570
a debate on what I am means, you know, um,
877
00:57:41.630 --> 00:57:45.750
what thinking is or what I am. Um, so those
878
00:57:45.829 --> 00:57:49.199
things are not assumed. Uh, so that, yeah, that kind
879
00:57:49.260 --> 00:57:54.380
of is self-contradictory off in its own terms, I think.
880
00:57:55.219 --> 00:58:00.719
So Bruno being burned at the stake, right? Some people
881
00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:05.119
say that it was because of heliocentricism or where, uh, he,
882
00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:10.920
at the time they believed, uh, that, uh, the sun
883
00:58:10.980 --> 00:58:13.340
revolves around us, right. That we were the center of
884
00:58:13.380 --> 00:58:18.130
it all. And then turns out again, if you believe
885
00:58:18.150 --> 00:58:21.070
in space or not, that we've evolved around the sun.
886
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And it's like, wait a minute, you can't go. I
887
00:58:24.329 --> 00:58:26.750
think there was more to his death. And I mean,
888
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even Yates talks about that. It wasn't purely, uh, it
889
00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:34.619
wasn't purely for science. Uh, maybe he was, cause we
890
00:58:34.659 --> 00:58:37.239
always see this and we even connect this till today, uh,
891
00:58:37.900 --> 00:58:40.760
where people even on youtube or something like that become
892
00:58:40.820 --> 00:58:43.139
martyrs and like what do you what do you attribute
893
00:58:43.159 --> 00:58:44.659
that to like oh you're getting too close to the
894
00:58:44.699 --> 00:58:47.039
truth you're getting too close to the truth and now
895
00:58:47.059 --> 00:58:48.480
you're going to be burned at the stake how it
896
00:58:48.519 --> 00:58:51.030
was so we have our own version i guess just
897
00:58:51.090 --> 00:58:54.429
a little bit different less violent right where there are
898
00:58:54.510 --> 00:58:58.050
people getting burned at the stake today but not physically
899
00:58:58.190 --> 00:59:02.670
i mean back then they were pretty pretty crazy with
900
00:59:02.710 --> 00:59:06.250
it and they would actually do it they were pretty.
901
00:59:06.070 --> 00:59:12.349
Crazy with it yeah The Roman inquisition. basically so Bruno
902
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was in Germany and Germany and Switzerland at the time
903
00:59:17.239 --> 00:59:22.239
are pretty free thinking places there's sort of a northern
904
00:59:22.260 --> 00:59:27.059
renaissance going on they didn't have an inquisition going on
905
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at the time And Bruno gets invited back by a
906
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friend of his, very wealthy friend of his, who wants
907
00:59:35.329 --> 00:59:40.449
him to tutor him. And that guy sort of learns
908
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that Bruno is like a wanted man in Rome, in Italy.
909
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And he turns on Bruno. So he turns Bruno in.
910
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I can't remember exactly why he decided that. That was
911
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what he wanted to do, but he basically sets him up.
912
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He invites Bruno in, but the thing is that Bruno
913
01:00:02.030 --> 01:00:05.190
knew if he went back to Italy that this is
914
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probably what would happen. Not that he was going to
915
01:00:07.530 --> 01:00:10.530
get set up, but that at some point he's going
916
01:00:10.590 --> 01:00:13.389
to get caught, he's going to get arrested, he's going
917
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to get tried and probably killed. Because his fame had
918
01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:22.539
been kind of growing and everything he said was very heretical, very,
919
01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:29.829
you know, he had an affinity for Egyptian religion, because again,
920
01:00:29.849 --> 01:00:35.179
these assumptions of the Prisca theologia, the sort of one
921
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divine wisdom that radiates throughout everything. If you have that assumption,
922
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then the older and the better, like I said in
923
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the beginning. So Egyptian stuff to him is even more pure.
924
01:00:47.929 --> 01:00:52.090
You know, he had these ideas, these ideas that like
925
01:00:52.170 --> 01:00:54.949
Christ was crucified on the Ankh. I don't know if
926
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you've heard that. No, Bruno Bruno said that he thought
927
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Christ was crucified on an Egyptian. Um, he denied the
928
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Trinity on kind of like Neoplatonic terms, things like that.
929
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So he was a bad boy for the time. And
930
01:01:10.780 --> 01:01:15.119
he gets arrested by the Roman inquisition. He gets brought
931
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to the Vatican and he's imprisoned. Uh, of course, again, he's,
932
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I believe his cellmate was also like a rat. Like
933
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he was like a plant. basically was like informing on him,
934
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you know, being like, oh yeah. And that's, people say
935
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that that guy who was in the cell with him
936
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claims that Bruno said he had a, he had a
937
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society of like Bruno-ites, something, something along those lines. He
938
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said like when I was in prison, when I was
939
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in jail with Bruno, he had told me that he
940
01:01:47.960 --> 01:01:52.139
had a, a following basically, almost like a, like a
941
01:01:52.219 --> 01:01:55.320
cult or a society that, when he was in Germany
942
01:01:55.460 --> 01:02:00.840
of Bruno followers, many people, that's where they launch off
943
01:02:00.900 --> 01:02:04.469
and say, okay, this is where the Rosicrucians come from. Um,
944
01:02:05.369 --> 01:02:09.150
cause you have this Christian hermetic stuff going on and
945
01:02:09.170 --> 01:02:12.829
then you bring it to Germany and Rosicrucianism comes out
946
01:02:13.230 --> 01:02:17.789
like 15 years later. So, um, that guy was imprisoned
947
01:02:17.829 --> 01:02:23.059
within people go off of that kind of rumor or whatever. Anyways,
948
01:02:23.260 --> 01:02:30.900
he is, um, on trial in the Vatican for seven years.
949
01:02:32.179 --> 01:02:34.519
So they did not arrest this guy and tie him
950
01:02:34.619 --> 01:02:39.159
up and kill him. They arrested him, put him on trial. Um,
951
01:02:39.349 --> 01:02:42.030
some of these trials, I believe the Pope would even be,
952
01:02:42.429 --> 01:02:45.050
you know, like in attendance or almost be like a
953
01:02:45.070 --> 01:02:49.489
judge and they have records. All the records of those
954
01:02:49.889 --> 01:02:53.820
trials are in the Vatican library. that vaults, you know,
955
01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:55.340
they're not, they've never been read.
956
01:02:55.860 --> 01:02:56.599
Really?
957
01:02:57.260 --> 01:02:59.960
Yeah. Nobody's ever read the, you know, they had some
958
01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:04.150
writing down like the trial and what's happening, what he's saying,
959
01:03:04.170 --> 01:03:07.550
you know, what the judge is saying, whatever, but nobody's
960
01:03:07.650 --> 01:03:10.849
ever been able to see him. So all of our
961
01:03:10.929 --> 01:03:15.070
material on Bruno's trial is kind of shady, but we
962
01:03:15.110 --> 01:03:19.090
know that he was in prison for seven full years,
963
01:03:19.670 --> 01:03:25.289
which is unbelievable. Galileo was also arrested by the Roman
964
01:03:25.329 --> 01:03:31.190
Inquisition or by the Inquisition as a heretic for his
965
01:03:31.250 --> 01:03:38.679
cosmological views. And Galileo was offered, basically, they were like, okay,
966
01:03:38.780 --> 01:03:43.400
we can kill you, burn you alive, or you can
967
01:03:43.500 --> 01:03:46.739
say you were wrong about everything, you take it all back,
968
01:03:46.780 --> 01:03:48.940
you'll never teach anybody again, and you'll be at house
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01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:51.719
arrest for the rest of your life. Galileo took the deal,
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01:03:52.840 --> 01:03:54.869
you know, and I can't call him a coward because
971
01:03:54.909 --> 01:03:58.130
I'd probably take the deal too. But it really says
972
01:03:58.170 --> 01:04:01.409
something about Bruno that Bruno did not. He was offered that,
973
01:04:01.449 --> 01:04:04.449
you know, almost on a daily basis. They were like, Hey, yeah,
974
01:04:04.570 --> 01:04:07.010
all you gotta do is say, you know, these are
975
01:04:07.050 --> 01:04:10.530
all lies and you know, you're a maniac and you
976
01:04:10.550 --> 01:04:13.269
take it all back and the Catholic church is right
977
01:04:13.289 --> 01:04:15.869
about everything and we'll let you go. You know, you'll
978
01:04:15.889 --> 01:04:18.070
be on house arrest and you can't trust you, but
979
01:04:18.590 --> 01:04:23.639
you'll live. And, He said no every time. And he
980
01:04:23.679 --> 01:04:28.039
kept delaying his trial. So he would use the trial
981
01:04:28.960 --> 01:04:33.849
as a way to get his teachings out. So he would,
982
01:04:34.010 --> 01:04:37.170
he was almost like filibustering or whatever. He would just like,
983
01:04:37.710 --> 01:04:41.710
he would find ways to keep the trial going and
984
01:04:41.929 --> 01:04:45.750
delay and delay and debate and then delay some more
985
01:04:45.829 --> 01:04:49.010
and then debate some more. And there were crowds there
986
01:04:49.050 --> 01:04:52.139
and he would, He was trying to basically get people
987
01:04:52.199 --> 01:04:55.539
to hear his points. And he knows, of course, that
988
01:04:55.559 --> 01:04:57.719
the Vatican's writing all this stuff down. So he's trying
989
01:04:57.739 --> 01:05:00.260
to kind of get it maybe on record or something.
990
01:05:01.280 --> 01:05:04.619
And so he spent seven years delaying his own trial.
991
01:05:05.280 --> 01:05:08.820
And finally, they offered him one last time on a
992
01:05:08.860 --> 01:05:11.039
day they told him they came to him with his charges.
993
01:05:11.079 --> 01:05:13.360
I think it was like six or seven charges, formal,
994
01:05:14.139 --> 01:05:16.400
from the Pope, from the Vatican. They said, you know,
995
01:05:16.440 --> 01:05:20.960
these are the heresies specifically that you've committed, you know,
996
01:05:21.280 --> 01:05:26.070
you can renounce them if you can't, um, take them
997
01:05:26.110 --> 01:05:29.349
all back and, you know, we'll, we'll figure something out,
998
01:05:29.570 --> 01:05:32.190
catch you, catch you some kind of deal or we'll
999
01:05:32.230 --> 01:05:36.650
burn you alive. And he said, burn me alive. And
1000
01:05:36.860 --> 01:05:39.280
so they took him to the Campo di Fiori, um,
1001
01:05:41.000 --> 01:05:47.590
in Rome and they tied him to a post and people, some,
1002
01:05:47.659 --> 01:05:50.679
there's a lot of mythology around this event, by the way. So, like,
1003
01:05:50.719 --> 01:05:53.280
a lot of stuff they have to cut through. Some
1004
01:05:53.300 --> 01:05:56.980
people say they wrote him in on a donkey, which
1005
01:05:57.039 --> 01:05:59.679
is kind of this Jesus type of thing, because people,
1006
01:05:59.699 --> 01:06:04.360
you know, this kind of archetypal thing, because he kind of, like,
1007
01:06:04.409 --> 01:06:08.170
Jesus came back to his own death. He kind of
1008
01:06:08.289 --> 01:06:12.030
knew he was going to get, like, executed, arrested and
1009
01:06:12.070 --> 01:06:13.909
executed if he went back to Italy, and he did
1010
01:06:13.929 --> 01:06:19.130
that anyway. It was very, kind of, Christ-like archetype where
1011
01:06:19.150 --> 01:06:23.349
Jesus kind of walks into his own death knowingly. So
1012
01:06:23.449 --> 01:06:28.849
he gets tied up to a pole, and the kind
1013
01:06:28.869 --> 01:06:33.929
of urban legend, I assume it's true, but nobody really knows,
1014
01:06:34.769 --> 01:06:39.929
is that the executioner asked him, do you have any
1015
01:06:39.989 --> 01:06:44.340
last words? And he said, perhaps you who give me
1016
01:06:44.380 --> 01:06:48.110
the sentence... give it to me with more fear than
1017
01:06:48.130 --> 01:06:53.050
I receive a sentence. So he's saying the executioner is
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01:06:53.130 --> 01:06:58.280
more fearful of the truth and of, you know, maybe
1019
01:06:58.300 --> 01:07:00.739
even it's not the truth, right? Of just of open
1020
01:07:00.780 --> 01:07:05.500
dialogue of different ideas of, you know, his own positions
1021
01:07:05.579 --> 01:07:09.159
being wrong. He's more afraid of that than Bruno is,
1022
01:07:09.199 --> 01:07:12.539
is getting burned alive. And I think Bruno is absolutely right.
1023
01:07:12.739 --> 01:07:15.579
And that's why he becomes a martyr because he faced,
1024
01:07:16.650 --> 01:07:20.369
being buried alive, you know, like some kind of superhuman
1025
01:07:20.409 --> 01:07:24.210
or something. People say that in his trial, that his
1026
01:07:24.590 --> 01:07:28.699
eyes were almost like glowing, that he had this kind
1027
01:07:28.780 --> 01:07:33.380
of sage like presence of almost being.
1028
01:07:33.019 --> 01:07:35.139
Like, he had aura. He had aura, bro.
1029
01:07:35.300 --> 01:07:39.880
Yeah. He was like almost half like out of body.
1030
01:07:39.900 --> 01:07:40.000
Right.
1031
01:07:40.019 --> 01:07:42.889
It was almost like he had achieved kind of mystical
1032
01:07:42.949 --> 01:07:44.949
states enough to where he was like, I don't care
1033
01:07:44.969 --> 01:07:45.630
about my body.
1034
01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:48.989
I think about that, though, because you see the monks
1035
01:07:49.030 --> 01:07:52.429
that do the self-immolation where they sit there and they
1036
01:07:52.449 --> 01:07:54.630
don't even scream or anything. So I believe that, dude.
1037
01:07:54.650 --> 01:08:01.429
Yeah, it's unbelievable. And, you know, if you're achieving these
1038
01:08:01.469 --> 01:08:06.820
kinds of mystical states or, you know, kind of seeing
1039
01:08:06.860 --> 01:08:10.599
God or union with God or, you know, the noose,
1040
01:08:10.880 --> 01:08:14.570
this sort of stuff. all of a sudden you're, you know,
1041
01:08:14.630 --> 01:08:18.939
someone hurting your body is like meaningless. You know what
1042
01:08:18.949 --> 01:08:21.159
I mean? Like, I'm not saying to me it is,
1043
01:08:21.239 --> 01:08:24.420
but if, if you're at this really, you know, one
1044
01:08:24.439 --> 01:08:27.739
of these really high level stages, like they're like burn
1045
01:08:27.779 --> 01:08:30.199
my body. I mean, why would I care if you
1046
01:08:30.220 --> 01:08:32.899
burn my body? Like it's a body, like I'm coming back.
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01:08:33.149 --> 01:08:35.390
I'm just going to respond, you know, like what's the,
1048
01:08:36.069 --> 01:08:40.489
what's the big deal. And like, like the Buddhist monks
1049
01:08:40.550 --> 01:08:43.869
right there, it's like, They'll burn their body in protest.
1050
01:08:43.909 --> 01:08:48.079
They're a big deal. And supposedly people who were at
1051
01:08:48.119 --> 01:08:50.260
his trial said that he had this kind of like
1052
01:08:51.960 --> 01:08:56.329
this look in his eyes, you know, the complete fearlessness,
1053
01:08:57.869 --> 01:09:04.340
which is pretty, inspiring. It's pretty amazing. But of course,
1054
01:09:04.359 --> 01:09:08.920
when you're willing to burn somebody alive who just had
1055
01:09:08.979 --> 01:09:16.329
different ideas, then something like a hermetic humanist renaissance is over.
1056
01:09:16.350 --> 01:09:20.060
All of this stuff being out in the open... and
1057
01:09:20.079 --> 01:09:25.529
being synergized with Christianity, right? Like in the, in Giordano
1058
01:09:25.550 --> 01:09:29.149
Brino and their medic tradition, she talks about Christian Kabbalah.
1059
01:09:29.550 --> 01:09:32.989
She talks about Christian astrology. You know, all of these
1060
01:09:33.029 --> 01:09:39.340
people consider themselves Christians, consider themselves, you know, what they're
1061
01:09:39.380 --> 01:09:43.819
doing to not be in contradiction with Christianity. They've thought
1062
01:09:43.840 --> 01:09:47.260
a lot of magic. Again, it's not like black magic,
1063
01:09:47.279 --> 01:09:51.189
not casting spells. They're not, trying to cheat or sell
1064
01:09:51.210 --> 01:09:51.590
their soul.
1065
01:09:51.689 --> 01:09:52.270
It's the natural magic.
1066
01:09:52.949 --> 01:09:56.449
Yeah, they're not really invoking things. They're trying to understand
1067
01:09:56.630 --> 01:10:01.170
the correspondences of the natural world and to harmonize themselves
1068
01:10:01.229 --> 01:10:08.380
and harmonize things around them. And then, of course, she
1069
01:10:08.420 --> 01:10:12.939
talks about Pico. She talks about Robert Flood. They all
1070
01:10:12.979 --> 01:10:16.420
have small chapters in Giordano Bruno and Hermetic Tradition. So
1071
01:10:16.439 --> 01:10:19.649
the whole book's not just on Bruno. she kind of
1072
01:10:19.670 --> 01:10:25.399
gives the background, like, look, there's this Hermetic tradition, of course,
1073
01:10:25.569 --> 01:10:30.920
sort of embodied in the Hermetic corpus. And then after
1074
01:10:30.979 --> 01:10:35.739
Byzantium falls and these texts come back to Italy, like Plato,
1075
01:10:36.340 --> 01:10:42.819
like Neoplatonists, you know, some sort of ancient literature in
1076
01:10:42.880 --> 01:10:47.460
the Hermetic corpus, once those things come back, they all
1077
01:10:47.479 --> 01:10:50.520
of a sudden have a completely different worldview. Most people
1078
01:10:50.579 --> 01:10:54.600
studying the Renaissance don't understand the Renaissance worldview, right? They
1079
01:10:54.619 --> 01:10:57.720
take our worldview and they look at the Renaissance through
1080
01:10:57.760 --> 01:11:00.539
how we see the world or how we think things
1081
01:11:00.619 --> 01:11:02.640
were at that time. But she's trying to make the
1082
01:11:02.680 --> 01:11:04.720
case in the book, like, no, you have to understand
1083
01:11:04.760 --> 01:11:08.000
that they were really seeing things. Because prior to, I
1084
01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:13.890
think it's 1614, the early 1600s, nobody questioned the authenticity
1085
01:11:14.569 --> 01:11:18.930
in the dating of their metacorpus. Somebody was hired, I
1086
01:11:18.930 --> 01:11:22.590
can't remember the guy's name, but a guy was hired
1087
01:11:22.649 --> 01:11:27.119
basically to investigate the authenticity or the age of the
1088
01:11:27.140 --> 01:11:30.760
hermetic corpus. And in the early 1600s, he came back
1089
01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:33.880
and was like, yeah, these are like first few centuries,
1090
01:11:33.899 --> 01:11:38.079
you know, basically around the same time as like Kabbalah, Neoplatonism,
1091
01:11:38.579 --> 01:11:43.470
you know, Alexandria, that's early Christianity. And he said, I couldn't,
1092
01:11:44.050 --> 01:11:46.529
I couldn't rely on and say that they're older than that.
1093
01:11:47.069 --> 01:11:50.310
And therefore, you know, to him, they were like forgeries, basically.
1094
01:11:51.689 --> 01:11:54.060
Because someone trying to pass him off as being older
1095
01:11:54.079 --> 01:11:57.140
than Moses, when they were written in the, you know, 200s,
1096
01:11:57.680 --> 01:12:01.060
he's like, well, that's a lie. And so that's when
1097
01:12:01.100 --> 01:12:03.920
Hermeticism really falls off, because all of a sudden people
1098
01:12:03.939 --> 01:12:07.310
are like, oh, you know, he was fake. And, you know,
1099
01:12:07.489 --> 01:12:11.590
if it's just as old as Gnosticism or something, it's
1100
01:12:11.630 --> 01:12:14.609
not really all that important. Its importance was in its age.
1101
01:12:15.220 --> 01:12:17.579
And so when they sort of debunked, which again, this
1102
01:12:17.640 --> 01:12:18.300
is still.
1103
01:12:18.079 --> 01:12:21.460
Up for debate. When was that? When did they quote
1104
01:12:21.479 --> 01:12:22.300
unquote debunk it?
1105
01:12:23.260 --> 01:12:25.779
I believe it was 1614. It was the early 1600s.
1106
01:12:26.380 --> 01:12:28.380
Sounds like an inside job to me. It sounds like
1107
01:12:28.439 --> 01:12:29.720
something very....
1108
01:12:30.659 --> 01:12:34.119
A lot of people will say, okay, well, you know,
1109
01:12:34.140 --> 01:12:36.680
whoever hired this guy, and you could pull up the guy.
1110
01:12:36.720 --> 01:12:39.720
I can't think of the guy's name. You could just
1111
01:12:39.739 --> 01:12:42.890
look up who dated the Hermetic Corpus in the early 1600s.
1112
01:12:45.520 --> 01:12:48.050
but he's being financed, you know, to do this sort
1113
01:12:48.069 --> 01:12:49.229
of scholarly project.
1114
01:12:49.989 --> 01:12:55.789
Yeah. And that's the guy's name, which he also wrote
1115
01:12:55.829 --> 01:12:57.649
about John D and all them. Yeah.
1116
01:12:58.250 --> 01:13:01.810
Oh, okay. Uh, and now a lot of people are like, okay, well,
1117
01:13:01.829 --> 01:13:03.529
this guy could have very easily.
1118
01:13:04.069 --> 01:13:06.409
Well, I'm sorry. That was Merrick. Merrick Casa bond was
1119
01:13:06.430 --> 01:13:08.130
the one that same last thing.
1120
01:13:08.289 --> 01:13:14.130
But yeah. Yeah. Um, could have very easily been paid to, uh,
1121
01:13:15.079 --> 01:13:19.460
debunk the age therefore debunking you know almost the whole
1122
01:13:19.500 --> 01:13:23.220
movement and sort of undermining it and putting an end
1123
01:13:23.260 --> 01:13:27.369
to it which is very possible i mean why you
1124
01:13:27.390 --> 01:13:30.069
know why would we uh go with what this guy said.
1125
01:13:32.210 --> 01:13:35.409
So the renaissance after centuries of falling out of favor
1126
01:13:35.449 --> 01:13:39.979
hermeticism was reintroduced to the west when in 1460 a
1127
01:13:40.069 --> 01:13:46.220
man named leon leonardo di pistoglia brought the Corpus Hermeticum
1128
01:13:46.279 --> 01:13:51.100
to Pistoia, which is in Italy. He was one of
1129
01:13:51.340 --> 01:13:55.760
many agents sent out by Pistoia's ruler Cosimo de' Medici
1130
01:13:55.800 --> 01:14:02.050
to scour European monasteries for lost ancient writings. In 1614,
1131
01:14:02.050 --> 01:14:07.329
Isaac Casabon, a Swiss philologist, analyzed the Greek Hermetic texts
1132
01:14:07.390 --> 01:14:10.670
for linguistic style. He concluded that the writings attributed to
1133
01:14:10.710 --> 01:14:14.989
Hermes Trismegistus were not the work of an ancient Egyptian priest,
1134
01:14:15.029 --> 01:14:18.829
but in fact dated to the 2nd and 3rd centuries CE.
1135
01:14:19.649 --> 01:14:24.970
Even in light of Casablanca's linguistic discovery and typical of
1136
01:14:25.050 --> 01:14:27.880
many adherents of Hermetic philosophy in Europe during the 16th
1137
01:14:27.909 --> 01:14:33.539
and 17th centuries, Thomas Brown, in his Religio Medici, confidently stated,
1138
01:14:33.560 --> 01:14:36.840
the severe schools shall never laugh me out of the
1139
01:14:36.880 --> 01:14:39.880
philosophy of Hermes that this visible world is but a
1140
01:14:39.979 --> 01:14:45.739
portrait of the invisible. So in 1678, flaws in Casaban's
1141
01:14:45.819 --> 01:14:50.439
dating were discerned by Ralph Cudworth, who argued that Casaban's
1142
01:14:51.180 --> 01:14:54.319
allegation of forgery could only be applied to three of
1143
01:14:54.359 --> 01:14:59.079
the 17 treaties contained within the Corpus Hermeticum. Moreover, Cudworth
1144
01:14:59.180 --> 01:15:03.020
noted Casaban's failure to acknowledge the codifications of these treaties
1145
01:15:03.220 --> 01:15:08.369
as a late formulation of a pre-existing oral tradition. According
1146
01:15:08.409 --> 01:15:12.029
to Cudworth, the text must be viewed as a terminus adquam.
1147
01:15:12.189 --> 01:15:15.430
What does that mean? So the known limits of dating
1148
01:15:16.140 --> 01:15:19.279
for events or items and not a term is a quo.
1149
01:15:22.279 --> 01:15:26.979
Lost Greek texts and many surviving Vulgate books contain discussions
1150
01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:31.659
of alchemy, clothes, and philosophical metaphor. And that's the thing, right?
1151
01:15:32.699 --> 01:15:33.479
And then in 1924, Walter Scott.
1152
01:15:35.710 --> 01:15:38.970
Placed the date of the Hermetic text shortly after 200 CE.
1153
01:15:39.689 --> 01:15:45.630
But W. Flinders Pietri placed their origin between... So we
1154
01:15:45.670 --> 01:15:48.170
don't know, bro. I mean, technically we don't know.
1155
01:15:48.569 --> 01:15:49.010
Early?
1156
01:15:50.189 --> 01:15:51.739
Before Moses? I don't know.
1157
01:15:52.859 --> 01:15:54.899
Yeah, I mean, that means we don't know how old
1158
01:15:54.920 --> 01:15:58.140
the Old Testament is either because it's like an oral tradition.
1159
01:15:58.760 --> 01:16:03.819
You know, it's not being written down until way, way later.
1160
01:16:04.850 --> 01:16:11.270
Kabbalah is, you know, the Jewish mystics say it's, again, ancient, ancient, ancient,
1161
01:16:12.130 --> 01:16:15.329
but it's not being written down or codified until the
1162
01:16:15.409 --> 01:16:20.760
first few centuries. You know, it's not that old in writing,
1163
01:16:20.859 --> 01:16:24.000
but that doesn't mean that it's not that old. Plenty
1164
01:16:24.020 --> 01:16:28.279
of things are not that old in writing. I mean, look, right,
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the oldest Plato manuscripts we have, if you look it up,
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is like, I don't know, not... 500s or something I
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01:16:35.890 --> 01:16:40.010
mean it's not that old at all um so it's
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01:16:40.029 --> 01:16:42.970
not you know you couldn't say okay well then Plato
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01:16:43.050 --> 01:16:49.270
is not that old so it's very tricky um the
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01:16:49.350 --> 01:16:56.050
whole thing around Hermes Trismegistus is very interesting of course
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01:16:56.130 --> 01:17:00.130
it's up for a lot of speculation um everyone kind
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01:17:00.189 --> 01:17:03.789
of has their take on it people tie him in
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01:17:03.890 --> 01:17:09.079
to you know, other philosophers, um, you know, almost like
1174
01:17:09.100 --> 01:17:14.140
he could have been other philosophers teachings, but under this
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01:17:14.199 --> 01:17:16.279
kind of mythological name and things like that, he could
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01:17:16.319 --> 01:17:19.800
have been multiple people. He could have been like semi divine.
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01:17:19.840 --> 01:17:23.140
I mean, it's all kind of, kind of up in
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01:17:23.180 --> 01:17:25.399
the air, but I like all of that. I think
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01:17:26.039 --> 01:17:31.649
reading the, uh, the hermetic corpus is incredibly enlightening, enlightening, um,
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01:17:32.909 --> 01:17:34.989
And not difficult, you know, it's very to the point
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01:17:35.229 --> 01:17:39.890
for the most part. Yeah, I enjoy it a lot.
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01:17:39.899 --> 01:17:42.399
I really love the Bruno stuff. And we kind of
1183
01:17:42.439 --> 01:17:45.460
touched on his memory work, but there's obviously the book
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01:17:45.500 --> 01:17:50.340
The Art of Memory by Francis Yates. Yes. Which is
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01:17:50.399 --> 01:17:54.229
another Bruno book. I mean, it's not just Bruno, but
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01:17:55.350 --> 01:18:01.270
obviously your Bruno studies, you know, make that largely on Bruno.
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01:18:02.090 --> 01:18:06.460
So the memory aspect, which is the part that interests
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01:18:06.479 --> 01:18:08.119
me the most when it comes to this, right? Because
1189
01:18:08.140 --> 01:18:12.859
you have memory palaces and mnemonic devices. So essentially using
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01:18:12.939 --> 01:18:20.060
images and things to essentially reconfigure your mind in order
1191
01:18:20.220 --> 01:18:25.880
to tap into and sort of bridge the gap between,
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01:18:25.899 --> 01:18:29.869
I guess, the source and yourself as a human.
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01:18:29.890 --> 01:18:30.050
Yeah.
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01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:33.859
Essentially, you turn yourself into a mirror, right, to be
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01:18:33.960 --> 01:18:39.430
able to emulate the universe or the source, the one, whatever.
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01:18:39.439 --> 01:18:43.109
And that to me, dude, that that sounds like like
1197
01:18:43.130 --> 01:18:46.869
a Doctor Strange sort of thing. Yeah. You know what
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01:18:46.890 --> 01:18:49.869
I mean? Where it's like you have this superpower or hypnosis.
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01:18:50.039 --> 01:18:52.520
you said when he was being burned at the stake,
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01:18:52.560 --> 01:18:55.520
he's got this look in his eyes almost like a
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01:18:55.590 --> 01:18:58.109
magician or something where he's able to just, that's fine.
1202
01:18:58.149 --> 01:19:00.250
I'll go ahead and astral project and just take the
1203
01:19:00.289 --> 01:19:04.789
vessel that I'm in and just burn it out of reality, right?
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01:19:04.810 --> 01:19:08.460
Because it means nothing to me. And again, memory, when
1205
01:19:08.500 --> 01:19:10.939
it comes into that, it's like you think of memorizing
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01:19:11.000 --> 01:19:13.520
things and you don't think anything of it. But this
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01:19:13.560 --> 01:19:19.520
to the ancients was an occult practice, essentially. Wasn't St.
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01:19:19.600 --> 01:19:21.770
Augustine known for being able to read in his head?
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01:19:21.819 --> 01:19:23.020
Is that right?
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01:19:23.239 --> 01:19:30.229
Yeah. Yeah, it's right. St. Augustine is the first person
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01:19:31.149 --> 01:19:34.090
like sort of on record who was able to read
1212
01:19:34.109 --> 01:19:37.609
in their head. So crowds would gather around him and
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01:19:37.750 --> 01:19:39.859
hand him something and he would just look at it.
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01:19:40.970 --> 01:19:43.130
And of course he's reading it, you know, in his,
1215
01:19:44.109 --> 01:19:48.270
in his, uh, sort of mental faculties instead of reading
1216
01:19:48.310 --> 01:19:50.960
it out loud. And then you'd hand it back and
1217
01:19:50.979 --> 01:19:56.920
they'd ask him questions. They didn't know they were completely baffled. Um,
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01:19:57.140 --> 01:20:00.699
and so there is an evolution of consciousness, right? Uh,
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01:20:00.859 --> 01:20:06.010
it's not like, um, human consciousness is a static thing.
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01:20:06.430 --> 01:20:11.350
It's not always been the same. There are advancements in
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01:20:11.380 --> 01:20:16.239
the collective and in the cultural consciousness. I think it's
1222
01:20:16.260 --> 01:20:19.020
a huge mistake to assume that, again, like I said
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01:20:19.039 --> 01:20:22.960
with the Renaissance, to assume that their worldview was similar
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01:20:23.020 --> 01:20:27.000
to your worldview or something. We have to understand that
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01:20:28.300 --> 01:20:32.439
coming out of the Middle Ages, they were Aristotelians. And
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01:20:32.479 --> 01:20:39.090
so the reason that Galileo, Kepler, Bruno, all these people
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01:20:39.270 --> 01:20:43.920
are causing such issues is that their literal worldview, meaning
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01:20:43.960 --> 01:20:48.539
not like philosophical worldview, but their cosmology, their view of
1229
01:20:48.560 --> 01:20:52.140
the natural world was the Aristotelian model. You could pull
1230
01:20:52.199 --> 01:20:57.560
up the Aristotelian cosmology, basically like a Russian nesting doll,
1231
01:20:58.479 --> 01:21:05.770
you know, concentric circles with the earth, Yeah, there you go.
1232
01:21:07.510 --> 01:21:09.909
And so that's where you get ideas, right? It's almost
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01:21:09.949 --> 01:21:13.850
like flat earth type stuff with a firmament. And then
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01:21:13.899 --> 01:21:18.149
you have like the planets are like sort of cosmological realms.
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01:21:19.840 --> 01:21:22.460
And this is the Aristotelian model. So that model, right,
1236
01:21:22.520 --> 01:21:25.220
me and you looking at, we don't, we have no
1237
01:21:25.319 --> 01:21:29.159
idea what that means. Maybe intellectually you might understand what
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01:21:29.180 --> 01:21:31.880
that means. But imagine if that's, when you look up
1239
01:21:31.920 --> 01:21:34.550
at the sky and around the world, That's what you
1240
01:21:34.590 --> 01:21:39.609
thought the model was. It's like inconceivable, right? And so
1241
01:21:40.729 --> 01:21:42.949
that's what Yates is really trying to get at is
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01:21:43.010 --> 01:21:46.729
that the Renaissance worldview is coming out of this, right?
1243
01:21:46.750 --> 01:21:50.600
They still have that model. When Bruno is saying like, no,
1244
01:21:50.609 --> 01:21:55.699
the universe is infinite. There's the stars, they're suns. Like
1245
01:21:55.939 --> 01:21:59.859
Bruno was saying that the stars were suns. They were
1246
01:21:59.899 --> 01:22:03.770
not like, uh, luminous bodies or, I mean, they still luminous,
1247
01:22:03.810 --> 01:22:06.109
but like, they're not like this, right. They're not like
1248
01:22:06.569 --> 01:22:09.609
rounds of their own or something that they are actually
1249
01:22:09.649 --> 01:22:13.229
like our son, but further wet. Yeah. All that sort
1250
01:22:13.270 --> 01:22:18.029
of stuff. That's a problem. Not because they just, it's
1251
01:22:18.069 --> 01:22:20.489
not just because they don't like it or something, but
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01:22:20.529 --> 01:22:26.390
they have an entire natural science that gets undermined and
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01:22:26.529 --> 01:22:30.729
shattered basically. So it's a huge, it's a huge issue.
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01:22:31.460 --> 01:22:37.479
And the Aristotelian model was the model for 1500 years,
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01:22:37.479 --> 01:22:44.170
1600 years. I mean, the entire, I mean, obviously since Aristotle, right? So,
1256
01:22:44.189 --> 01:22:48.710
I mean, we're talking before Christ. This model gets adopted
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01:22:48.729 --> 01:22:55.149
and obviously it's not something that modern or postmodern person
1258
01:22:55.180 --> 01:22:58.640
would even begin to understand, but that was the norm.
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01:22:59.720 --> 01:23:05.109
And Yeah, it's sort of, you know, extremely revolutionary to
1260
01:23:05.689 --> 01:23:07.270
turn that upside down, you know.
1261
01:23:09.189 --> 01:23:14.550
Yeah, and then imagination, right, where imagination becomes, and this
1262
01:23:14.630 --> 01:23:18.340
is where alchemists, right, take the idea of these plates
1263
01:23:19.029 --> 01:23:22.899
and these sort of things of using images as talismans
1264
01:23:22.979 --> 01:23:27.840
to facilitate in that connection with the cosmos, to facilitate
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01:23:27.880 --> 01:23:33.609
that bridge, right, so... And it's really crazy because if
1266
01:23:33.649 --> 01:23:35.649
you really think about it, this guy was trying to
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01:23:35.670 --> 01:23:38.890
do something different. Like, hey, why don't we look within?
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01:23:39.149 --> 01:23:41.890
Why don't we look within? Use our memory as a
1269
01:23:41.949 --> 01:23:44.739
sort of thing to connect to the source. Which, think
1270
01:23:44.779 --> 01:23:48.319
about it, that's not wrong. Prayer is essentially the same thing.
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01:23:48.760 --> 01:23:53.359
There's iconography people use that they pray upon. There is statues,
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01:23:53.420 --> 01:23:57.899
which Asclepius, right, they use the Egyptian statues to house people.
1273
01:23:58.439 --> 01:24:03.600
the bodies of the gods and a way where they were, again,
1274
01:24:03.659 --> 01:24:07.119
the correspondence, because it looks like the God, it can
1275
01:24:07.220 --> 01:24:10.859
hold the power of said God within that vessel. And
1276
01:24:10.880 --> 01:24:14.399
then it can divinate to us. So it's almost like
1277
01:24:14.430 --> 01:24:18.189
they're trying to, they're trying to tap into the OG hardware.
1278
01:24:18.590 --> 01:24:21.449
They're like, Hey, we have the cloud. Moses was tapped
1279
01:24:21.489 --> 01:24:23.510
into the cloud. How do we bring it down from
1280
01:24:23.609 --> 01:24:26.130
here to here? I want to be able to touch it.
1281
01:24:26.130 --> 01:24:27.479
I want to be able to interact with it.
1282
01:24:27.489 --> 01:24:27.970
Yeah.
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01:24:28.310 --> 01:24:29.850
You got what I'm saying? So they're, they were trying
1284
01:24:29.869 --> 01:24:31.909
to innovate. And I mean, it's, it's a beautiful thing
1285
01:24:31.949 --> 01:24:34.970
really where the human nature to, to find another way
1286
01:24:35.010 --> 01:24:36.170
to connect with the source.
1287
01:24:36.449 --> 01:24:38.989
Yeah. And natural. Yeah.
1288
01:24:39.270 --> 01:24:39.850
Yeah.
1289
01:24:40.050 --> 01:24:44.970
It's a form of mysticism that, um, is rooted in
1290
01:24:45.029 --> 01:24:49.020
the natural world. But then like you're saying, they reflect
1291
01:24:49.109 --> 01:24:55.279
the natural order back into the least natural thing that
1292
01:24:55.300 --> 01:24:59.039
there is, which is your imagination. Um, It's the least
1293
01:24:59.140 --> 01:25:03.260
material thing. It's the most mysterious thing. They reflect the
1294
01:25:03.279 --> 01:25:09.279
natural order, the logos, back into the imagination. And like
1295
01:25:09.310 --> 01:25:12.529
you're saying, it becomes sort of a key to unlock
1296
01:25:12.550 --> 01:25:16.890
the imagination. Because if you're taking this sort of logos
1297
01:25:17.229 --> 01:25:21.229
order to the world, it could potentially be the logos
1298
01:25:21.270 --> 01:25:27.609
or order of your mind. Right? Working backwards. And Bruno
1299
01:25:27.689 --> 01:25:30.970
goes a step further. The memory of Alice is pre-day Bruno.
1300
01:25:31.850 --> 01:25:32.350
Yes.
1301
01:25:33.289 --> 01:25:36.979
Of course. But Bruno goes a step further, and in
1302
01:25:37.020 --> 01:25:39.409
the book there are diagrams and things that he had
1303
01:25:39.609 --> 01:25:47.899
written down. He's using sigils, which you see people like
1304
01:25:48.020 --> 01:25:52.239
Austin Osmond Spare, who's an occultist, do things like this.
1305
01:25:52.560 --> 01:25:56.840
You use a sigil. It's not some crazy... not invoking
1306
01:25:56.920 --> 01:26:00.590
anything you're not like doing anything crazy you're you take
1307
01:26:00.630 --> 01:26:05.930
a sigil which represents some kind of information like some
1308
01:26:05.949 --> 01:26:12.989
kind of data and you actually use various techniques to
1309
01:26:13.229 --> 01:26:17.350
implant it in your subconscious and then forget about it
1310
01:26:18.850 --> 01:26:22.090
and there's various ways of doing this And in doing that,
1311
01:26:22.130 --> 01:26:26.289
you're able to basically like fully digest that information into
1312
01:26:26.329 --> 01:26:31.319
your memory, into your life self. And Bruno would do
1313
01:26:31.359 --> 01:26:34.760
things like that with those sigils, like using them for
1314
01:26:34.800 --> 01:26:40.260
memory to kind of like implant data. He would also,
1315
01:26:40.300 --> 01:26:43.500
of course, use memory wheels, which he's very famous for.
1316
01:26:43.520 --> 01:26:46.479
A memory wheel is like some of the stuff you
1317
01:26:46.500 --> 01:26:52.829
just showed. They're very complex. Um, systems of correspondences where
1318
01:26:52.850 --> 01:26:56.590
you can memorize a lot of different things at one time, um,
1319
01:26:56.649 --> 01:27:00.609
by connecting them all to each other. Um, you know,
1320
01:27:00.770 --> 01:27:09.489
obviously memorizing language, memorizing, um, pretty much whatever you wanted to,
1321
01:27:09.529 --> 01:27:12.810
you could tie it to these various things, which are
1322
01:27:12.840 --> 01:27:18.880
in his mind, you know, perfectly correspondent to the other things.
1323
01:27:19.279 --> 01:27:22.600
And by pitching on to that, you're able to sort
1324
01:27:22.640 --> 01:27:30.010
of like hack into the framework of your imagination and
1325
01:27:30.050 --> 01:27:34.989
of your memory, which, you know, memory is so, so, so,
1326
01:27:35.069 --> 01:27:39.149
so mysterious. I mean, if you want to get into mysticism,
1327
01:27:39.260 --> 01:27:42.359
I mean, is there anything more mystical? Maybe dreams are
1328
01:27:42.380 --> 01:27:45.539
more mystical, but is there anything more mystical than memory
1329
01:27:45.579 --> 01:27:48.960
and the imagination? I mean, we don't know anything about memory.
1330
01:27:49.300 --> 01:27:53.100
yeah right his memory is not it's not like you
1331
01:27:53.119 --> 01:27:55.829
know you don't cut open your brain and there's the
1332
01:27:55.850 --> 01:27:59.729
stuff you remember right it's in this kind of non-local
1333
01:27:59.850 --> 01:28:04.149
field or whatever i mean it's completely crazy uh we
1334
01:28:04.189 --> 01:28:09.770
have literally no understanding of how it works and so
1335
01:28:09.789 --> 01:28:11.300
you might look at stuff like this and be like
1336
01:28:11.399 --> 01:28:13.699
oh well that's just crazy like that's just like schizo
1337
01:28:14.800 --> 01:28:19.140
yeah babble but it's like yeah but it worked right
1338
01:28:19.380 --> 01:28:24.300
he was able to memorize unbelievable amounts of things there's
1339
01:28:24.319 --> 01:28:27.920
people who memorize hundreds of pages of information including bruno
1340
01:28:28.859 --> 01:28:33.369
um and you know if he's saying that this is
1341
01:28:33.409 --> 01:28:36.909
a way of doing that in someone who's just saying
1342
01:28:36.949 --> 01:28:39.789
oh well that looks crazy you know like they don't
1343
01:28:39.810 --> 01:28:42.569
have a very good case, but clearly he's onto something.
1344
01:28:42.600 --> 01:28:48.100
And what he's onto is that the, is a hermetic principle, right?
1345
01:28:48.119 --> 01:28:51.979
That the natural order is reflected in the human mind.
1346
01:28:52.640 --> 01:28:56.779
You know, that it's fractal, it's holographic, that all of
1347
01:28:56.859 --> 01:29:02.119
nature contains all of, rest of nature right that every
1348
01:29:02.909 --> 01:29:07.189
you know every one thing contains all of everything else
1349
01:29:07.789 --> 01:29:11.449
in it in some form the logos and phi ratio
1350
01:29:11.470 --> 01:29:15.869
and all this sort of stuff is a fractal pattern
1351
01:29:16.029 --> 01:29:20.350
all the way down from the one um where the
1352
01:29:20.409 --> 01:29:23.390
whole order is sort of you know micro scale right
1353
01:29:23.409 --> 01:29:27.409
this is macro micro stuff um and they're saying you
1354
01:29:27.449 --> 01:29:31.949
know you could basically you Use that to build your memory.
1355
01:29:32.020 --> 01:29:35.979
And memory is always considered magical in the Western esoteric tradition.
1356
01:29:37.039 --> 01:29:42.300
Crowley is huge in modern occultists are huge on memory, right?
1357
01:29:42.659 --> 01:29:45.420
They literally call it the magical memory, you know, building
1358
01:29:45.460 --> 01:29:50.140
your own memory, writing everything down, you know, keeping magical journal.
1359
01:29:50.800 --> 01:29:53.140
And that's not just like for some sake, but it's
1360
01:29:53.199 --> 01:29:58.159
learning kind of like cause effect. of how everything affects
1361
01:29:58.220 --> 01:30:00.479
everything else in your day that you're not even noticing.
1362
01:30:00.500 --> 01:30:06.470
And then obviously trying to remember, you know, in reversing memory, right?
1363
01:30:06.510 --> 01:30:08.550
I mean, me and you have talked about that. We're like,
1364
01:30:10.409 --> 01:30:16.229
almost every Western esoteric tradition will teach the practice of
1365
01:30:17.430 --> 01:30:18.729
reversing your memory.
1366
01:30:18.800 --> 01:30:20.119
It's Pythagorean.
1367
01:30:20.579 --> 01:30:24.359
Yeah. All the way down to Masons, to, you know,
1368
01:30:24.399 --> 01:30:28.359
modern occultist magicians. almost any of these books will say,
1369
01:30:28.380 --> 01:30:31.529
you know, at the end of the day, run back
1370
01:30:31.590 --> 01:30:36.489
your entire day in your mind's eye, in your imagination,
1371
01:30:37.930 --> 01:30:40.750
in reverse, right? So you just got into bed. Well,
1372
01:30:41.149 --> 01:30:46.630
imagine yourself getting, you know, getting into bed backwards, you know,
1373
01:30:47.130 --> 01:30:49.949
and running back all the way to, you know, you're
1374
01:30:50.180 --> 01:30:52.680
eating dinner and walking your dog, you know, all the
1375
01:30:52.739 --> 01:30:56.539
way back to waking up. And if you do that,
1376
01:30:59.140 --> 01:31:03.840
it leads to very mystical things, mostly because you're undoing
1377
01:31:03.859 --> 01:31:08.560
the kind of attachment or assumption of cause and effect.
1378
01:31:09.399 --> 01:31:09.689
Whoa.
1379
01:31:10.770 --> 01:31:16.050
Yeah, where we have, especially as modern people, we have this,
1380
01:31:18.149 --> 01:31:20.329
like I said, I don't like the word attachment because
1381
01:31:20.350 --> 01:31:23.050
it's very Buddhist, right? We have sort of an obsession
1382
01:31:23.069 --> 01:31:26.649
with cause and effect and a presupposition of that things
1383
01:31:26.670 --> 01:31:29.729
are very simply cause and effect. You have this ball, bounce,
1384
01:31:29.850 --> 01:31:33.310
hits this ball, moves it or whatever. But people like
1385
01:31:33.409 --> 01:31:36.909
Alfred North Whitehead will say things like, look, if you
1386
01:31:36.949 --> 01:31:41.220
want to see kind of retroactive cause and effect, which
1387
01:31:41.260 --> 01:31:46.319
is like things from the future affecting things now, he said,
1388
01:31:46.359 --> 01:31:49.939
look at your own mind. Right? Just like these esoteric
1389
01:31:49.979 --> 01:31:53.810
traditions are teaching, your own mind will think of something
1390
01:31:53.970 --> 01:31:57.850
before it before you do it, right? So it is
1391
01:31:58.029 --> 01:32:01.989
retroactively causing you to do it, not in a physical way,
1392
01:32:02.550 --> 01:32:06.789
but people are not entirely physical. So you think of
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the house that you want to build and then you
1394
01:32:08.789 --> 01:32:12.619
build it, you know? So did it cause the house? Yeah,
1395
01:32:12.939 --> 01:32:18.039
it did. There wouldn't be the house without you projecting
1396
01:32:18.079 --> 01:32:23.229
it out as a future potential. And in Aristotle, he
1397
01:32:23.289 --> 01:32:26.090
has what's called the final cause. So if you look
1398
01:32:26.130 --> 01:32:32.369
up Aristotle's final cause, it's basically, it's almost like an attractor, right?
1399
01:32:32.670 --> 01:32:38.680
It's like the thing that gives everything else telos or purpose,
1400
01:32:39.720 --> 01:32:43.359
whether it's individual things or whether it's like the entirety
1401
01:32:43.399 --> 01:32:49.579
of creation, but basically everything is moving towards something. But
1402
01:32:49.619 --> 01:32:53.720
that something that's moving towards is in some sense there,
1403
01:32:53.899 --> 01:32:56.909
or is in some sense already there as pure potential.
1404
01:32:58.109 --> 01:33:02.069
And that's a very trippy thing, right? Because it sort
1405
01:33:02.149 --> 01:33:05.909
of flips around cause and effect into the, you know,
1406
01:33:06.069 --> 01:33:08.619
obviously you can see he has four causes, but it's
1407
01:33:08.659 --> 01:33:12.819
not as simple as just, you know, what something does
1408
01:33:12.920 --> 01:33:17.960
and what happens after it does that. And that, you know,
1409
01:33:17.979 --> 01:33:20.850
this is ancient philosophy. Even they need But the Western
1410
01:33:20.909 --> 01:33:25.890
esoteric traditions are retaining love. That's why they're teaching, reversing
1411
01:33:26.449 --> 01:33:28.529
things in your mind, among other things.
1412
01:33:29.949 --> 01:33:32.109
Why is a brick a brick? What makes a brick
1413
01:33:32.210 --> 01:33:35.340
a brick? You know, it's like, what makes it a brick?
1414
01:33:37.899 --> 01:33:40.659
It's the way of being, right? I mean, that gets into,
1415
01:33:40.760 --> 01:33:43.420
you know, you mentioned Buddhism and stuff, like the way,
1416
01:33:44.039 --> 01:33:46.560
this thing that kind of sort of flows in nature
1417
01:33:47.079 --> 01:33:51.770
and they're trying to pick that apart. I mean, that's philosophy, right?
1418
01:33:51.810 --> 01:33:54.210
I mean, the, the, why are things the way they are?
1419
01:33:55.229 --> 01:34:00.760
Yeah. What something is, how it is, you know, it's not,
1420
01:34:00.819 --> 01:34:03.199
it's not, that's interesting. It's not just what it is
1421
01:34:03.659 --> 01:34:05.739
or why it is, how it is. It's all of
1422
01:34:05.760 --> 01:34:09.720
those questions that yourself is asking right there. You know,
1423
01:34:10.439 --> 01:34:13.340
how did something come to be? Why did it, why
1424
01:34:13.479 --> 01:34:15.840
is it, you know, why does it exist? What is
1425
01:34:15.899 --> 01:34:20.000
it going to be? Like, these are all causes. of
1426
01:34:20.060 --> 01:34:22.119
what it is, you know, or what we perceive it
1427
01:34:22.140 --> 01:34:26.180
to be. It's not just as simple as material bumping
1428
01:34:26.220 --> 01:34:30.500
into other material. I mean, that's completely crazy. But, you know,
1429
01:34:30.560 --> 01:34:36.310
secret societies and esoteric traditions are preserving all this sort
1430
01:34:36.350 --> 01:34:40.090
of stuff, you know, in their practices. And while, you know,
1431
01:34:40.109 --> 01:34:45.510
most people are just, like, drooling and washing mule grass, like....
1432
01:34:47.069 --> 01:34:49.399
I've heard you say this before, once upon a time
1433
01:34:49.520 --> 01:34:52.279
on an episode we did probably two, three years ago
1434
01:34:52.319 --> 01:34:56.359
at this point, a long time ago, where I've talked
1435
01:34:56.420 --> 01:35:00.960
about how these certain texts have an effect on reality
1436
01:35:01.060 --> 01:35:06.149
quite literally. When they become unearthed, they either resonate in
1437
01:35:06.189 --> 01:35:08.930
some sort of way. You had brought up a particular text,
1438
01:35:08.970 --> 01:35:13.529
I think it was in 1947, either the Nag Hammadi
1439
01:35:13.569 --> 01:35:17.050
or the Dead Sea Scrolls that we knew... some of
1440
01:35:17.090 --> 01:35:20.649
the symbols that were already in there prior and the masons,
1441
01:35:20.689 --> 01:35:25.489
the Egyptian right masonry were using those symbols, right?
1442
01:35:25.600 --> 01:35:29.380
Yeah. Yeah. It was the, uh, prior to that, it
1443
01:35:29.399 --> 01:35:34.779
was actually, um, what's the, uh, why can't I think
1444
01:35:34.800 --> 01:35:39.050
of this? The Egyptian tablet that Napoleon brought back. Oh,
1445
01:35:39.060 --> 01:35:40.430
I can't think of that.
1446
01:35:40.510 --> 01:35:41.670
That Napoleon brought back?
1447
01:35:42.590 --> 01:35:47.220
Yeah. The, um, it's like the most famous Egyptian, It's
1448
01:35:47.239 --> 01:35:50.180
like how we translate it. I'm completely.
1449
01:35:50.319 --> 01:35:56.539
Oh, the, the, the, not the Rose stone, the, uh, uh, the.
1450
01:35:58.319 --> 01:36:00.960
Yeah. I don't know why.
1451
01:36:01.779 --> 01:36:02.939
The Rosetta stone.
1452
01:36:03.770 --> 01:36:12.630
Yeah. So it's the Rosetta stone. So when we get
1453
01:36:12.710 --> 01:36:18.729
the Rosetta stone, we're able to translate. egyptian hieroglyphics into
1454
01:36:18.949 --> 01:36:21.930
you know modern languages whoa.
1455
01:36:21.840 --> 01:36:23.819
Do you think about that for a second think about
1456
01:36:23.840 --> 01:36:28.539
that there was one missing piece and from that they
1457
01:36:28.579 --> 01:36:36.600
were able to unlock the the knowledge yeah that's.
1458
01:36:36.399 --> 01:36:42.000
Wild thousands of years not hundreds of years like thousands
1459
01:36:42.260 --> 01:36:45.460
we're talking what four thousand years three thousand years of
1460
01:36:45.539 --> 01:36:51.329
history in hieroglyphics that we could not understand and leave
1461
01:36:51.369 --> 01:36:54.409
it to Napoleon of all people. Well, I don't think
1462
01:36:54.430 --> 01:37:00.970
Napoleon personally, obviously, but his, his men, um, which is
1463
01:37:01.029 --> 01:37:07.680
totally wild. Um, but what's interesting is the Rosetta stone
1464
01:37:07.720 --> 01:37:10.140
in the work around the Rosetta stone, you know, we
1465
01:37:10.159 --> 01:37:13.560
start to be able to understand Egyptian hieroglyphics and, you know,
1466
01:37:13.579 --> 01:37:16.239
things like that, uh, those tablets and what have you.
1467
01:37:16.989 --> 01:37:28.199
But what's crazy is the Masons in other societies, once
1468
01:37:28.220 --> 01:37:30.479
we translated these texts, which is what you're talking about,
1469
01:37:31.159 --> 01:37:38.310
had already somehow embodied and ritualized a lot of what
1470
01:37:38.350 --> 01:37:42.229
we start unearthing in the Egyptian hieroglyphics. They had already
1471
01:37:42.689 --> 01:37:48.420
somehow translated it. Of course, Some of these traditions claim
1472
01:37:48.460 --> 01:37:52.260
to have lines that go back to Egypt. So, you know,
1473
01:37:52.399 --> 01:37:55.380
were they actually able to preserve some knowledge of how
1474
01:37:55.460 --> 01:38:02.649
to translate hieroglyphics? That's possible. Seems unlikely, but that's, I guess, possible.
1475
01:38:02.670 --> 01:38:05.829
You know, or like you're saying, was this some kind
1476
01:38:05.850 --> 01:38:12.760
of morphic resonance thing where unconsciously or in some strange,
1477
01:38:13.069 --> 01:38:20.050
you know, wave form, thing, they're able to unconsciously come
1478
01:38:21.699 --> 01:38:26.140
to this information, you know, through basically the imagination, through,
1479
01:38:27.989 --> 01:38:31.279
just through their minds not consciously knowing it but they're
1480
01:38:31.359 --> 01:38:33.800
able to come up to come to the same conclusions
1481
01:38:34.300 --> 01:38:38.880
to deconstruct things yeah just based off of the kind
1482
01:38:38.899 --> 01:38:41.699
of power of these things being on earth I mean
1483
01:38:42.600 --> 01:38:46.170
it's completely crazy I don't I don't understand it but
1484
01:38:46.689 --> 01:38:50.930
something's going on there because they knew what a lot
1485
01:38:51.279 --> 01:38:53.550
of the Egyptians were doing before we were able to
1486
01:38:53.590 --> 01:38:56.250
translate what they're doing. And that's very strange.
1487
01:38:56.390 --> 01:39:01.369
That is interesting, right? Almost like as if there is
1488
01:39:02.229 --> 01:39:08.149
this primordial concept, right? And by that I mean like
1489
01:39:09.170 --> 01:39:13.270
these rituals and rites are part of something bigger, right?
1490
01:39:13.909 --> 01:39:16.260
If these people were practicing it before we even knew
1491
01:39:16.279 --> 01:39:20.170
what they were, then it would... confirm that those rites
1492
01:39:20.229 --> 01:39:23.609
and rituals have some sort of significance because they were
1493
01:39:23.649 --> 01:39:25.649
doing exactly what these people were doing before we knew
1494
01:39:25.670 --> 01:39:26.439
what they were even doing.
1495
01:39:27.350 --> 01:39:30.960
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's completely wild. And they
1496
01:39:30.979 --> 01:39:35.939
had understandings of things in somewhat deep ways before we
1497
01:39:36.100 --> 01:39:41.340
could even read the language or the hieroglyphics. It is
1498
01:39:41.420 --> 01:39:46.710
clearly some kind of morphic resonance or unconscious thing going on.
1499
01:39:46.930 --> 01:39:50.979
Or like you said, the rituals themselves are tapping into
1500
01:39:51.020 --> 01:39:57.029
some kind of knowledge that is not tied to language, right?
1501
01:39:57.090 --> 01:40:00.430
It's not tied to culture or whatever.
1502
01:40:00.550 --> 01:40:01.390
It is there.
1503
01:40:01.569 --> 01:40:03.329
It's the process of doing it.
1504
01:40:03.329 --> 01:40:04.649
Yeah. Yeah.
1505
01:40:05.130 --> 01:40:06.090
That gets you.
1506
01:40:06.800 --> 01:40:10.220
That information is like you said, in the cloud, right?
1507
01:40:10.260 --> 01:40:13.960
It's not, you don't, you didn't need the hieroglyphics or whatever.
1508
01:40:14.079 --> 01:40:16.300
Like it's, it was within you all along.
1509
01:40:17.279 --> 01:40:20.949
Exactly. It's within you. It's been in human, you know,
1510
01:40:20.970 --> 01:40:22.470
imagination of human.
1511
01:40:23.170 --> 01:40:25.449
Intellect, I guess, which is very hermetic.
1512
01:40:25.510 --> 01:40:25.710
Right.
1513
01:40:25.750 --> 01:40:28.449
And now I have to point this out because when
1514
01:40:28.489 --> 01:40:31.010
we bring up Napoleon, did you know about Napoleon's penis?
1515
01:40:33.430 --> 01:40:33.630
No.
1516
01:40:34.430 --> 01:40:40.189
So let me take off my screen real quick, but
1517
01:40:40.550 --> 01:40:49.149
apparently they still have Napoleon's penis. Um, And it's part
1518
01:40:49.189 --> 01:40:56.069
of some family's collection somewhere. And they actually... Let's see here.
1519
01:40:57.270 --> 01:40:59.600
Have you seen his death mask? It's pretty cool. And
1520
01:40:59.640 --> 01:41:01.659
his tan. Those are both cool.
1521
01:41:01.939 --> 01:41:06.699
So Napoleon's penis was allegedly amputated during an autopsy shortly
1522
01:41:06.779 --> 01:41:10.739
after his death in 1821. The story and authenticity of
1523
01:41:10.819 --> 01:41:14.590
the alleged item in relation to Napoleon is unverified since
1524
01:41:14.670 --> 01:41:19.000
no primary sources present at his death recounts such as
1525
01:41:19.060 --> 01:41:23.239
an incident taking place. Since 1821, the item has passed
1526
01:41:23.279 --> 01:41:28.989
through several owners, including ASW Rosenbach, which was an American collector, scholar,
1527
01:41:31.689 --> 01:41:34.909
the auctions known as the Terror of the Auction Room,
1528
01:41:35.789 --> 01:41:38.529
who exhibited it in New York in 1927. It was
1529
01:41:38.649 --> 01:41:43.850
purchased by John K. Latmer, a urologist who did extensive
1530
01:41:43.909 --> 01:41:47.960
research on Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy. in 1937
1531
01:41:47.960 --> 01:41:51.039
and is still owned in his family. The preserved penis
1532
01:41:51.100 --> 01:41:53.600
is described as resembling a piece of leather or a
1533
01:41:53.739 --> 01:41:54.979
small shriveled eel.
1534
01:41:55.819 --> 01:42:00.119
So then it did him dirty on the description.
1535
01:42:01.560 --> 01:42:06.109
So they got, they got a homeboys penis on display.
1536
01:42:06.850 --> 01:42:09.069
There it is right there, dude. He was packing.
1537
01:42:09.189 --> 01:42:10.489
Wow. Yeah.
1538
01:42:11.109 --> 01:42:14.750
And, but think about that. Right. So this guy who, uh,
1539
01:42:16.899 --> 01:42:21.479
had encounters right the red man and and some sort
1540
01:42:21.520 --> 01:42:26.470
of paranormal encounters his penis is still around almost i
1541
01:42:26.479 --> 01:42:29.750
consider this a talisman bro like this is a sort of.
1542
01:42:29.529 --> 01:42:36.750
Talisman magical flute of sorts well i i believe also
1543
01:42:36.789 --> 01:42:44.199
that napoleon is unconfirmed this is not a fact but
1544
01:42:44.319 --> 01:42:47.979
is largely suspected to be a Freemason.
1545
01:42:49.279 --> 01:42:49.710
I believe it.
1546
01:42:50.560 --> 01:42:53.630
I think almost everyone around him, like family members and
1547
01:42:54.390 --> 01:42:57.489
close friends, people in his cabinet, were like all Masons.
1548
01:42:58.750 --> 01:43:02.909
They say, I heard someone say this on Griffith's diary,
1549
01:43:03.029 --> 01:43:05.529
so I'm not going to take it as like my finding.
1550
01:43:05.550 --> 01:43:08.670
I forgot his name. But he says that it's sort
1551
01:43:08.689 --> 01:43:13.689
of a Masonic teaching or Masonic secret that Napoleon... was
1552
01:43:13.750 --> 01:43:23.439
not killed because the Freemasons have a code or something
1553
01:43:23.479 --> 01:43:26.939
that you basically can say or a card that you
1554
01:43:26.979 --> 01:43:30.460
can pull where another Mason has to spare your life.
1555
01:43:31.220 --> 01:43:33.399
And apparently there's a lot of examples of this in
1556
01:43:33.510 --> 01:43:37.789
real wars where a guy's like, you're crawling on the ground,
1557
01:43:37.850 --> 01:43:41.770
a guy's coming towards you with a bayonet, And, you know, you,
1558
01:43:41.829 --> 01:43:43.850
you try, you're like, well, I bet he's a Mason,
1559
01:43:43.869 --> 01:43:46.479
you know, or something. And you like say, whatever it is,
1560
01:43:46.500 --> 01:43:49.579
you're like, I invoke, you know, this sort of, um,
1561
01:43:50.539 --> 01:43:53.279
this deal and they have to accept the deal and,
1562
01:43:53.500 --> 01:43:56.550
and they'll let you live. They'll take your prisoner or whatever. Um,
1563
01:43:56.779 --> 01:43:59.789
and there apparently are real stories in the trenches and
1564
01:43:59.810 --> 01:44:01.869
things like that, where things have happened, where people have
1565
01:44:01.909 --> 01:44:04.869
seen like a Masonic pin, you know, on a uniform
1566
01:44:04.930 --> 01:44:10.479
and stuff. And the Masons say, that one, Napoleon was
1567
01:44:10.539 --> 01:44:14.399
a secret Freemason, which, I mean, it's not that hard
1568
01:44:14.420 --> 01:44:19.600
to believe. And then two, that he was not killed
1569
01:44:19.659 --> 01:44:24.800
by the British twice, right? He gets exiled twice. Why
1570
01:44:24.840 --> 01:44:27.600
wouldn't they kill him, right? It's like you capture Hitler
1571
01:44:27.619 --> 01:44:29.750
or something. Why would you not execute him? They would
1572
01:44:29.850 --> 01:44:34.130
execute you for like anything in the military, you know?
1573
01:44:35.569 --> 01:44:38.029
So they capture the baddest guy in the world, He's
1574
01:44:38.210 --> 01:44:42.710
torn up all of Europe twice. Well, sorry, the British
1575
01:44:42.729 --> 01:44:47.989
don't capture him twice, but the French, you know, should
1576
01:44:48.029 --> 01:44:50.699
have killed him probably if they really wanted him out
1577
01:44:50.720 --> 01:44:55.279
of power, but they send him away in exile. And
1578
01:44:55.319 --> 01:45:00.520
then the British, after Waterloo, they send him away in exile.
1579
01:45:00.659 --> 01:45:04.680
And basically the Masons teach that it's because he was
1580
01:45:04.720 --> 01:45:08.840
a Mason and he invoked his right on two separate
1581
01:45:08.880 --> 01:45:12.619
occasions to where the people that were, you know, sort
1582
01:45:12.649 --> 01:45:15.949
of captured him, whatever, were masons. And he said, like,
1583
01:45:15.970 --> 01:45:18.529
you can't kill me because I'm a mason. And they
1584
01:45:18.569 --> 01:45:22.529
had to respect the deal as a brother, basically. And
1585
01:45:22.569 --> 01:45:25.689
so they exiled him instead of killing him, executing him,
1586
01:45:26.449 --> 01:45:30.819
which honestly, to me, makes complete sense. Because, you know,
1587
01:45:31.079 --> 01:45:33.119
the official story is, oh, well, they had so much
1588
01:45:33.159 --> 01:45:35.270
respect for him. You know, he was this great man.
1589
01:45:35.659 --> 01:45:38.500
you know leader this is great leader i'm like i'm
1590
01:45:38.560 --> 01:45:41.520
come on like they would kill anybody back in the
1591
01:45:41.550 --> 01:45:44.590
day like like i said they would execute you for
1592
01:45:44.699 --> 01:45:46.609
anything if you're in the military you know if you
1593
01:45:46.630 --> 01:45:49.130
disobeyed an order like all right you know firing squad
1594
01:45:49.250 --> 01:45:51.850
you know or whatever and i'm like you're telling me
1595
01:45:51.869 --> 01:45:55.029
they capture napoleon and they're just going to send them
1596
01:45:55.970 --> 01:45:58.909
to an island in the middle of the atlantic ocean
1597
01:45:59.670 --> 01:46:03.130
like off of africa it's the middle of nowhere still
1598
01:46:04.960 --> 01:46:06.939
and just like let him live out his days and
1599
01:46:06.960 --> 01:46:09.319
like pay to have people watch him and stuff. Like,
1600
01:46:09.500 --> 01:46:11.430
you know, he had to have like captors, like you
1601
01:46:11.449 --> 01:46:14.729
had to have like, you know, people on like British
1602
01:46:14.810 --> 01:46:18.470
officers on this Island, like watching him until his death.
1603
01:46:18.529 --> 01:46:20.609
I mean, it's totally wild. And I think that they
1604
01:46:20.630 --> 01:46:22.960
might be on something. They might be right. That he
1605
01:46:23.000 --> 01:46:26.880
pulled the Mason card. Um, when, you know, basically when
1606
01:46:26.899 --> 01:46:28.539
they had a gun to his head, he was like,
1607
01:46:28.579 --> 01:46:30.760
you can't, you can't do this.
1608
01:46:30.779 --> 01:46:33.510
He said, he said the words. No, I can't. No,
1609
01:46:33.569 --> 01:46:36.430
I can't finish him. It's like, and imagine, yeah, that's
1610
01:46:36.470 --> 01:46:40.819
like capturing Osama bin Laden or like, uh, Saddam Hussein
1611
01:46:40.859 --> 01:46:42.899
or something. And like, cause he said the magic words
1612
01:46:42.939 --> 01:46:45.119
there that, well, he said pretty please. So we're going
1613
01:46:45.140 --> 01:46:47.659
to let him go, which makes you think, dude, all
1614
01:46:47.680 --> 01:46:50.760
throughout history, all the people who have gotten away, like
1615
01:46:50.800 --> 01:46:54.680
the guy who, uh, assassinated Abraham Lincoln and all those
1616
01:46:54.720 --> 01:46:58.310
guys and where they were sent and all that stuff. Like, uh,
1617
01:46:58.350 --> 01:47:01.109
that's maybe there is some sort of code, like some
1618
01:47:01.149 --> 01:47:02.649
assassins creed code, right?
1619
01:47:03.470 --> 01:47:06.449
Yeah. Well, there, the thing is there is like, and again,
1620
01:47:06.489 --> 01:47:08.510
I'm not a Mason, but I was watching this guy
1621
01:47:08.550 --> 01:47:11.189
on a Griffith's diary. I'm sure we could pull up
1622
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his name or whatever, but he is like a Mason.
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01:47:13.729 --> 01:47:16.069
That's why he was on the show being interviewed. And
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01:47:16.109 --> 01:47:18.130
so he's asking him all these questions and they talk
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01:47:18.170 --> 01:47:22.020
about Napoleon. And he said, I, again, not a Mason.
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01:47:22.029 --> 01:47:24.180
So I don't know this kind of stuff like that well,
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01:47:24.220 --> 01:47:26.840
but he said that there for sure is a code.
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01:47:26.920 --> 01:47:30.000
There's a card you can pull where like, I'm like, Juan, look,
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01:47:30.060 --> 01:47:33.390
you're my brother. Like we might be enemies, but, like,
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01:47:33.409 --> 01:47:37.470
you know, your country versus my country, but, like, we're
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01:47:38.029 --> 01:47:41.609
spiritually in a brotherhood, you know, and, like, and they
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01:47:41.630 --> 01:47:44.010
basically pull this card, which is, like, a real thing,
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01:47:44.810 --> 01:47:46.869
and they have to spare your life, you know, they
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01:47:46.890 --> 01:47:49.069
could do other things, whatever, they have to spare your life,
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01:47:50.010 --> 01:47:52.310
and I think you're right, I think that it's probably
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01:47:52.350 --> 01:47:56.050
not just Napoleon, it's probably happened in, in other cases,
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01:47:56.069 --> 01:47:59.649
I mean, who knows, on the world stage, you know,
1638
01:47:59.720 --> 01:48:02.329
where Masons have been able to pull the card and
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01:48:02.449 --> 01:48:03.770
other Masons.
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01:48:03.329 --> 01:48:05.600
And get away with it.
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01:48:05.659 --> 01:48:06.800
I think it's very possible.
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01:48:07.220 --> 01:48:12.340
Bruno did not have that card, unfortunately. The secret word
1643
01:48:12.380 --> 01:48:15.949
is like, go ahead and say, I'm gay. Oh, he
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01:48:15.989 --> 01:48:17.710
said it. Let's set him free. He was gay.
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01:48:17.729 --> 01:48:17.810
Yeah.
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01:48:20.710 --> 01:48:26.210
Like any other mason so yeah yeah definitely very interesting
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01:48:26.289 --> 01:48:28.640
and yeah i always bring up the napoleon's penis because
1648
01:48:28.689 --> 01:48:32.159
it's definitely some sort of magical talisman and that's why
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01:48:32.180 --> 01:48:35.359
they keep it around because he was having like visions
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01:48:35.439 --> 01:48:37.680
and stuff right he was he was kind of interacting
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01:48:37.720 --> 01:48:39.359
with like a metaphysical yeah.
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01:48:40.350 --> 01:48:42.689
All kinds of stuff he was getting into. He almost
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01:48:42.729 --> 01:48:45.149
converted to Islam when he was in the Middle East.
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01:48:45.890 --> 01:48:49.989
He almost conquered the entire Middle East. And he was
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01:48:50.090 --> 01:48:58.039
meeting with very high-level teachers and Muslim priests, basically, or
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01:48:58.880 --> 01:49:02.899
religious leaders. And he was very heavily weighing the option
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01:49:02.939 --> 01:49:06.340
of converting to Islam. Not because he loved Islam so much,
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01:49:06.380 --> 01:49:11.770
but as a geopolitical He's like, oh, yeah, I'm Muslim.
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01:49:11.890 --> 01:49:14.109
Now I'm going to conquer the Middle East. They'll accept me.
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01:49:14.210 --> 01:49:16.590
And then he would just be able to like, yeah,
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01:49:16.750 --> 01:49:17.810
it almost got wild.
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01:49:17.970 --> 01:49:19.689
Becoming like an emperor or something, right?
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01:49:20.130 --> 01:49:21.189
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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01:49:22.029 --> 01:49:22.680
Whoa.
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01:49:24.159 --> 01:49:31.800
Yeah, it's pretty. I mean, he crowns himself. Yeah. That's insane. Yeah,
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01:49:31.840 --> 01:49:32.329
interesting guy.
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01:49:33.520 --> 01:49:36.779
There's one last thing you can add, bro, about Bruno,
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01:49:36.850 --> 01:49:40.609
the Hermetic tradition, Francis Yates. What would it be?
1669
01:49:43.090 --> 01:49:47.670
I think that, again, a lot of this importance is
1670
01:49:47.710 --> 01:49:51.970
just understanding that there's an evolution of consciousness, right? So
1671
01:49:52.029 --> 01:49:56.770
if you're studying history, don't study it with all of
1672
01:49:56.829 --> 01:50:01.609
your modern assumptions. Try to really put yourselves in their shoes.
1673
01:50:01.670 --> 01:50:07.569
Try to understand the background context of things, like, you know,
1674
01:50:07.590 --> 01:50:11.899
like that aerosol example, if that's how people in that
1675
01:50:11.939 --> 01:50:15.460
time period or in medieval time period saw the natural world,
1676
01:50:15.899 --> 01:50:19.680
you need to know that, right? If you're studying medieval
1677
01:50:19.739 --> 01:50:26.260
things or the Renaissance era, among many other things, in
1678
01:50:26.479 --> 01:50:30.760
one of those obviously would be understanding that Hermeticism prior
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01:50:30.819 --> 01:50:34.899
to the Casablanca guy you were talking about in the
1680
01:50:34.939 --> 01:50:40.890
early 1600s was legitimately believed. Again, like not being questioned.
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01:50:41.090 --> 01:50:46.170
It was taken for granted that this was older than
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01:50:46.210 --> 01:50:50.789
the Old Testament. And therefore it was ancient, ancient wisdom
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01:50:50.810 --> 01:50:54.470
that had been preserved and was very close to being
1684
01:50:55.029 --> 01:50:59.710
a kind of one world religion, you know, that underlies
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01:50:59.829 --> 01:51:04.409
all things, you know, an ancient truth. And so if
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01:51:04.489 --> 01:51:08.909
people in the Renaissance have that assumption, right, they really
1687
01:51:08.949 --> 01:51:12.869
thought that you need to know that you need to
1688
01:51:12.890 --> 01:51:14.710
understand why they would think that. And then you need
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01:51:14.729 --> 01:51:18.680
to understand how that might inform, you know, their, their work,
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01:51:18.770 --> 01:51:23.420
whether they're an aristocrat, you know, political person or an
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01:51:23.460 --> 01:51:29.939
intellectual philosopher, magician, whatever it is. And then that gives
1692
01:51:29.960 --> 01:51:32.159
you a whole picture, right? It's the holistic thing we
1693
01:51:32.180 --> 01:51:36.180
talked about earlier. So you can understand the context and
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01:51:36.300 --> 01:51:38.359
all of these assumptions that they would have had that
1695
01:51:38.380 --> 01:51:41.840
you would not have had. Otherwise, you're really just studying
1696
01:51:41.899 --> 01:51:45.859
like trivia. You know, you're understanding like facts, but you're
1697
01:51:45.899 --> 01:51:49.100
not understanding the worldview. You can't really put yourself in
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01:51:49.119 --> 01:51:52.350
their shoes. And then, you know, the reason that you're
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01:51:52.369 --> 01:51:55.029
doing that, the reason why I would say this is
1700
01:51:55.130 --> 01:51:57.529
that's the most important part of the book, you know,
1701
01:51:57.590 --> 01:52:00.829
that sort of stuff. is that by putting yourself in
1702
01:52:01.069 --> 01:52:06.149
another worldview, you know, ancient worldview or, you know, foreign worldview,
1703
01:52:07.090 --> 01:52:10.069
it really coming to understand all the assumptions. There's a
1704
01:52:10.069 --> 01:52:13.770
lot of value in that, right? Because you have to
1705
01:52:13.930 --> 01:52:19.939
question your own assumptions. You have to question yourself. You
1706
01:52:19.979 --> 01:52:22.439
come to know yourself. You come to either be more
1707
01:52:22.500 --> 01:52:25.239
foreign in your beliefs or to change your beliefs, but
1708
01:52:25.260 --> 01:52:27.600
it's good. You know, you dust the cobwebs off and you,
1709
01:52:28.159 --> 01:52:31.560
shake things up and, you know, whatever's left over is
1710
01:52:31.760 --> 01:52:35.199
very good. And maybe you can add some things onto it. Um,
1711
01:52:36.050 --> 01:52:40.569
we're just come to a better appreciation of either what
1712
01:52:40.590 --> 01:52:43.109
you have or what you, what you don't have, you know, it's,
1713
01:52:43.170 --> 01:52:47.829
it's a real form of education. I think is really
1714
01:52:47.930 --> 01:52:52.130
like understanding the whole picture when you're studying something, not just, uh,
1715
01:52:53.130 --> 01:52:56.640
you're not just, like if you were studying Gnosticism, not
1716
01:52:56.680 --> 01:52:59.479
just going to read like apocryphal books, but really like
1717
01:52:59.600 --> 01:53:04.569
understanding like what would a Gnostic have thought about the world,
1718
01:53:05.109 --> 01:53:08.369
you know, while they, while they were living, you know,
1719
01:53:08.409 --> 01:53:11.810
not just like, Oh, I read this book that's considered Gnostic,
1720
01:53:11.869 --> 01:53:14.430
like really coming to understand like, what does it mean
1721
01:53:14.449 --> 01:53:16.989
to be Gnostic in the world? What would it be like,
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01:53:17.890 --> 01:53:20.689
you know, what did they assume about the world that
1723
01:53:20.729 --> 01:53:23.920
I don't assume about the world, that sort of stuff. Um,
1724
01:53:24.449 --> 01:53:30.649
a lot of it's studying, you know, presuppositions, assumptions. That's,
1725
01:53:30.750 --> 01:53:34.489
that's a lot of what metaphysics is. It's not as mystical,
1726
01:53:34.829 --> 01:53:39.220
you know, as other things, but critiquing your own assumptions
1727
01:53:39.270 --> 01:53:41.600
about the world. Like we, like we did in Descartes, right?
1728
01:53:41.619 --> 01:53:43.680
Like he says, I think therefore I am. And then
1729
01:53:43.699 --> 01:53:46.779
you're like, whoa, hold up. Let me critique all of
1730
01:53:46.840 --> 01:53:50.260
this metaphysical baggage that you're bringing in with that statement.
1731
01:53:50.920 --> 01:53:54.100
It's the same thing, you know, like, the Renaissance era
1732
01:53:54.109 --> 01:53:57.140
people are bringing in all their metaphysical baggage to all
1733
01:53:57.159 --> 01:53:57.680
their assumptions.
1734
01:53:57.699 --> 01:54:00.460
They're just trauma dumping on us, bro. Like Descartes was
1735
01:54:00.600 --> 01:54:01.640
just trauma dumping.
1736
01:54:02.079 --> 01:54:05.220
Yeah. So that's, that's what I would say is like
1737
01:54:05.300 --> 01:54:09.539
the kind of, you know, the most important aspect of
1738
01:54:10.380 --> 01:54:13.750
studying things like Bruno or esoteric history. And of course
1739
01:54:13.789 --> 01:54:18.630
you're being inspired by a story that he is willing
1740
01:54:18.670 --> 01:54:22.829
to die for. free speech and, you know, science, all
1741
01:54:22.850 --> 01:54:26.590
this kind of stuff. I mean, it is important. Yeah.
1742
01:54:26.630 --> 01:54:29.189
And he's a, he is a real mystic. He was
1743
01:54:29.250 --> 01:54:38.539
tapped into, you know, astrotheology and Neoplatonism, you know, hermetic teachings,
1744
01:54:40.119 --> 01:54:44.300
language and memory, Pythagorean. I mean, he was really a
1745
01:54:45.420 --> 01:54:49.840
impressive guy. So he's, he's somebody worth studying and hermeticism
1746
01:54:49.859 --> 01:54:50.760
is worth studying too.
1747
01:54:52.020 --> 01:54:55.739
Definitely bro. And where can people, I know you guys
1748
01:54:55.779 --> 01:55:01.199
have recently come out with another book, uh, which again,
1749
01:55:01.239 --> 01:55:04.899
I'll post the, in the description where people can, unfortunately
1750
01:55:05.439 --> 01:55:06.779
we don't have a.
1751
01:55:07.890 --> 01:55:09.729
No, I'll give you a code for this one too.
1752
01:55:09.770 --> 01:55:13.409
You'll get, this is a new book. It's a confessions
1753
01:55:13.470 --> 01:55:18.989
of an English opium eater. by thomas de quincy he's
1754
01:55:19.029 --> 01:55:24.130
a victorian yes he's from the 1820s but he's a
1755
01:55:24.149 --> 01:55:30.789
an english poet and writer who's friends with like william
1756
01:55:30.810 --> 01:55:34.770
wordsworth samuel taylor coleridge people like that can.
1757
01:55:34.689 --> 01:55:36.229
You tell us who wrote the forward to that.
1758
01:55:37.210 --> 01:55:39.770
Yeah hamilton morris wrote the forward to it for us
1759
01:55:39.810 --> 01:55:44.109
which i'm really nice of him and i've gotten to
1760
01:55:44.130 --> 01:55:48.119
know him a bit and he's really unbelievably smart guy
1761
01:55:48.340 --> 01:55:49.819
like i'm not just saying like because you're at the
1762
01:55:49.840 --> 01:55:52.579
introduction i've always liked to show yeah me too that
1763
01:55:52.619 --> 01:55:54.779
i've got like i walked around new york city with
1764
01:55:54.819 --> 01:55:58.279
him and just like fired questions away dude this guy's
1765
01:55:58.350 --> 01:56:01.250
like i talked to a lot of people this guy's
1766
01:56:01.289 --> 01:56:04.270
like chad gbc i mean i would ask him anything
1767
01:56:04.289 --> 01:56:08.029
like i was asking about like the philosophy of chemistry
1768
01:56:08.510 --> 01:56:12.260
you know like where like philosophy psychology and chemistry like
1769
01:56:12.880 --> 01:56:15.380
you know, where does one end and the other one starts?
1770
01:56:15.439 --> 01:56:17.880
Like they're all kind of into length. And this guy's
1771
01:56:17.899 --> 01:56:20.039
just like, you know, he gives his, he like states his,
1772
01:56:20.920 --> 01:56:23.050
his points, like his opinion. And then he like follows
1773
01:56:23.130 --> 01:56:28.609
it up with like evidences. This guy's crazy. He's so smart. Um,
1774
01:56:29.470 --> 01:56:32.470
and he's a super nice guy, but I, I thought
1775
01:56:32.550 --> 01:56:34.750
he would be a really cool to write the forward.
1776
01:56:34.810 --> 01:56:38.539
So you got him to do that. And yeah, basically
1777
01:56:38.579 --> 01:56:43.909
the Quincy was, um, He's the first person to write
1778
01:56:43.989 --> 01:56:46.989
about being a junkie, about being an artist that's kind
1779
01:56:47.050 --> 01:56:50.770
of using substances to fuel their art.
1780
01:56:51.069 --> 01:56:52.510
Like an Austin Osmond Spar.
1781
01:56:53.689 --> 01:56:59.779
Yeah, yeah. He's tapping into crazy visions, like hallucinations and
1782
01:56:59.859 --> 01:57:05.079
dreams by dropping opium like all day long. Him and
1783
01:57:05.140 --> 01:57:09.579
Coleridge and these poets were like, They used what's called laudanum.
1784
01:57:09.619 --> 01:57:12.090
It's opium dissolved in alcohol, and you drop it on
1785
01:57:12.100 --> 01:57:14.550
your tongue. That's why it's called an opium eater. So
1786
01:57:14.569 --> 01:57:18.430
they were not smoking opium in England. They were dropping opium.
1787
01:57:20.390 --> 01:57:24.090
And they were dropping like hundreds of drops in a
1788
01:57:24.130 --> 01:57:27.439
day and stuff. And then they would write this poetry.
1789
01:57:27.479 --> 01:57:30.319
They'd be like, you know, writing all this crazy stuff.
1790
01:57:30.380 --> 01:57:33.340
And it's pretty cool. I mean, they were horribly addicted
1791
01:57:33.359 --> 01:57:33.880
to it, too.
1792
01:57:33.960 --> 01:57:34.119
Yeah.
1793
01:57:35.289 --> 01:57:38.029
It's interesting stuff so it's his story about that and
1794
01:57:38.069 --> 01:57:41.390
then he has um all kinds of other stories like
1795
01:57:41.449 --> 01:57:44.310
dreams he has because basically after a certain amount of
1796
01:57:44.399 --> 01:57:49.300
using it you the the line between sleeping and being
1797
01:57:49.340 --> 01:57:53.039
awake like dissolves and it's like you're you're like in
1798
01:57:53.060 --> 01:57:59.220
a constant waking but half dreaming state it's unbelievable um
1799
01:57:59.819 --> 01:58:02.899
yeah that's a cool he has an essay too in
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01:58:03.819 --> 01:58:06.430
the back This is the first time I'm talking about this.
1801
01:58:07.310 --> 01:58:14.699
um on the history that of rosicrucianism and freemasonry really
1802
01:58:15.619 --> 01:58:19.779
yeah he's writing in the i think this is the
1803
01:58:19.859 --> 01:58:24.739
1850s he's writing that um very cool i don't know
1804
01:58:24.859 --> 01:58:26.619
why he wrote that but we did like a bunch
1805
01:58:26.659 --> 01:58:32.189
of illustrations it's like a um pretty cool yeah we'll
1806
01:58:32.229 --> 01:58:33.850
do that yeah.
1807
01:58:33.829 --> 01:58:35.659
We've got a we've got to do an episode on
1808
01:58:35.699 --> 01:58:39.159
that because uh okay we'll do a whole separate episode
1809
01:58:39.199 --> 01:58:41.680
on that and talk about that because i i hadn't
1810
01:58:41.699 --> 01:58:43.479
heard about it until your brother had told me about
1811
01:58:43.539 --> 01:58:46.699
it he's like yeah they're they're publishing another book and
1812
01:58:46.930 --> 01:58:48.909
yeah he had told me the name and i thought
1813
01:58:48.930 --> 01:58:52.010
it was the uh diary of a drug fiend or
1814
01:58:52.029 --> 01:58:53.329
whatever the one that Crowley.
1815
01:58:53.069 --> 01:58:57.029
Wrote about Crowley but Crowley is obviously a huge admirer
1816
01:58:57.050 --> 01:59:00.869
of De Quincey as was Edgar Allan Poe Edgar Allan
1817
01:59:00.909 --> 01:59:07.890
Poe's own drug use and sort of macabre gothic style
1818
01:59:07.989 --> 01:59:11.850
is very largely taken from De Quincey who was De
1819
01:59:11.970 --> 01:59:14.560
Quincey was like his hero so De Quincey has essays
1820
01:59:14.600 --> 01:59:15.329
and we'll get into all.
1821
01:59:15.229 --> 01:59:18.020
Of them yeah yeah yeah where can people find a
1822
01:59:18.039 --> 01:59:18.880
copy of that.
1823
01:59:18.920 --> 01:59:28.359
Yeah uh that's on galloglassbooks.com like galloglassbooks.com where you can
1824
01:59:28.380 --> 01:59:33.210
look up uh the bookstore the dancing elephant and it's
1825
01:59:33.250 --> 01:59:35.770
not on that website but it'll take you to galloglass
1826
01:59:35.989 --> 01:59:37.909
one way or the other i'll post.
1827
01:59:37.689 --> 01:59:40.510
The description and the links in the description.
1828
01:59:40.130 --> 01:59:42.449
I'll give you a link for that too that way
1829
01:59:42.489 --> 01:59:43.170
you can not.
1830
01:59:44.020 --> 01:59:46.420
Only 3 000 copies all right so you better get
1831
01:59:46.479 --> 01:59:47.439
in while you can.
1832
01:59:48.579 --> 01:59:51.039
Yeah i mean they do sell out and you know
1833
01:59:51.060 --> 01:59:53.279
it's not just like marketing we're not just like trying
1834
01:59:53.300 --> 01:59:57.079
to get people to to buy them i mean clearly
1835
01:59:57.300 --> 02:00:00.460
people do buy them so we we do want people
1836
02:00:00.479 --> 02:00:04.600
to understand that like these books don't get reprinted we
1837
02:00:04.619 --> 02:00:07.270
tell people that the whole time and then every time
1838
02:00:07.729 --> 02:00:10.560
when we sell out like we i get emails almost
1839
02:00:10.600 --> 02:00:12.930
daily people are like when is when are you going
1840
02:00:12.949 --> 02:00:15.890
to reprint monad like When are you going to reprint,
1841
02:00:16.359 --> 02:00:18.890
you know, Geared on Unbeknown? And I'm like, that's the
1842
02:00:18.930 --> 02:00:21.470
whole point is we're not. These are like special books,
1843
02:00:22.210 --> 02:00:25.810
you know. We're not trying to gatekeep or something, but
1844
02:00:25.829 --> 02:00:28.430
they're just like, they're artifacts. You know, they're really special.
1845
02:00:28.449 --> 02:00:34.069
They're collectible type of things, you know. That's, yeah. And
1846
02:00:34.090 --> 02:00:36.770
they're 60 bucks. You know, they're not like, we're not
1847
02:00:36.810 --> 02:00:39.890
trying to make them like really expensive or anything.
1848
02:00:40.130 --> 02:00:43.109
Yeah, it's more accessible. I mean, people spend a lot
1849
02:00:43.149 --> 02:00:46.510
more money on other things so yeah i'll post my
1850
02:00:46.569 --> 02:00:51.039
link down in the description support uh professor longo here
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support the cause and with that they can keep bringing
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more and more knowledge to the world do you guys
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have anything in your scopes for the next.
1854
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Yeah yeah the next one i first time announcing that
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because i've been posting where but it's going to be
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the republic yeah and i'll have a lot of cool
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we're having two different people right like essays and kind
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of esoteric teachings that are in the Republic and the OG. Yep. Yeah.
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And one more question, bro. Cause I have, I see
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this on the, I have a copy of the golden
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anniversary copy of the secret teachings of all ages that
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I bought from that guy. You know him, the guy
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that has the bookstore in Fort Lauderdale, the old man.
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Oh yeah.
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I bought it there once upon a time, you know,
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like probably three, four years ago. And it's got this
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on the back of it, like this pattern. Is there
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something to this pattern or is it just because it
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looks like marble or something? Is there something esoteric to it?
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No, it's just a marbling pattern. Yeah. I don't know.
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The cover designer did that and then we just used
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it on the inside too. Nice.
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Yeah, I was always wondering about that.
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Yeah. It's just kind of cool to make things with
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that marbling pattern on it. That's all it is.
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So, again, good luck getting a copy of this. It's
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sold out. But, again, I mean, shout out to you, bro,
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bringing out a beautiful, probably, I mean, it's a beautiful book,
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and the quality is just top tier. So, yeah, if
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you're able to get a hold of one, anyone listening,
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please do. And like I said, I'll post the links
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in the description. Professor Longo, thank you for blessing us
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with your time and sharing some deep Knowledge on the
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Hermetic Tradition today, Francis Yates, Giordano Bruno. And, dude, I
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always love having you on because you are a wealth
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of knowledge when it comes to a lot of these
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esoteric and occult beliefs and things. And you can talk
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pretty much about anything. So I really like having you on.
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And we'll do another episode soon here on your latest book.
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And hopefully by that, it'll be before your next drop.
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Yeah, hopefully before it sells out.
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All right.
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See you, Juan.
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I appreciate you, bro. And as always, everyone, take care.
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And yeah, check out the links. Later.