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Yeah, we're still talking about guns around here. I'm Tom Gresham. Well,
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it's called gun talks. And what do you else, What
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do you think we're gonna be doing around here? We
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talk about guns well, and the second I'm going then advocacy.
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Of course, we talk about all of that. If if
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you have a gun you want to tell me about
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or maybe a question to ask, Maybe maybe you just
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have been thinking about buying your first gun you're not
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sure how to go about it or what you need,
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by all means, give me a call. We'll talk it through.
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You know, they're all saying there are no stupid questions.
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That's not true. There are some, but we can help you.
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They're not gonna be stupid questions today. Okay, we'll help
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you out with that. Give me a call. Eight sixty
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six Talk gun or Tom, Talk Gun. Joining Ris right
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now as Holly Sullivan from the Citizens Committee for the
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Right to Keep in Bare Arms. Holly, I'm glad that
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you are here. What is this event you got going
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next week?
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Hey?
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Tom, so thankful for having me on. So we actually
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have a first of its kind conference coming up next weekend, Saturday,
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May thirtieth, in Chickapea, Massachusetts. So this is the New
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England Firearms Advocacy Conference, and we have an all star
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lineup of legislators, attorneys, second Amendment groups and it's really
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bringing New England together in a way that's never happened before.
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What's the idea behind it? Who's going and what are
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they going to get out of this?
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Yeah?
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Absolutely So attendees literally it can be anybody. You can
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be a gun owner. You could not be a gun owner,
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just believe in the Second Amendment, maybe want to learn
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more about what's going on in two A advocacy. Here
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in New England. We live pretty deep behind the blue
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curtain here, as I like to call it. I'm here
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in Connecticut, and we are a pretty anti Second Amendment state,
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and we are hosting the conference in Massachusetts, which of
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course is also a very anti Second Amendment state. And
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I think part of the message there is that we're
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willing to go where the fight is. It's not enough
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to just do it in the places where those Second
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Amendment rights are respected. We really have to be fighting
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the fight on the ground, and chick a Pee is
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absolutely the perfect place for it. So anybody who's driving
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distance or if you want to hop on a plane
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at this point, you certainly can. Some people are. But
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we've got folks coming from all across New England, the
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tri state area coming in to really start doing a
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deep dive into Second Amendment challenges here in New England.
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We have legislators coming from various states. We've got senators,
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we've got House representatives. We're going to hear from five
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or six different attorneys throughout the day. It is really
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a jam pack deep dive into the Second Amendment problems
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in New England, what to look out for, what are
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our victories, what's working, what's not? And most importantly, and
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what I'm most excited about, is how do we start
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making progress together? How do we break down barriers, get
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out of our silos and start talking to our neighbors
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and our neighboring states about how we can start to
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move the needles in the other direction.
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It sounds like it's kind of a small version of
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the Gun Rights Policy Conference where people get together say, Okay,
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what are you guys doing over there that's working? What
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have you run into over there? We can learn from you.
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And in terms of the people who attend this, where
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do they get out of it is figuring out what
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actually works, how to win, and what does winning look
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like because and you know, Holly, a lot of the folks,
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unfortunately on our side, sometimes they're enthusiastic but not really
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politically savvy about what really works. And it's not enough
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to say, hey, we've got the Second Amendment and we're right. Well,
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those two things are true, but you could be right
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and continue to lose. And sometimes in these blue states
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that's what's been going on.
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Absolutely, and you're spot on when you're talking about Gun
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Rights Policy Conference. So as I'm sure you know, Gun
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Right's Policy Conference is hosted by two organizations, the Second
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Amendment Foundation and the Citizens Committee for the Right to
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Keep Them Their Arms. These two organizations are both chaired
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by Alan Gottlieb, and so we are the Citizens Committee
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for the Right to Keep Them Their Arms that is
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hosting this conference, New England Firearms Advocacy Conference. And I
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think part of the amazing thing about this is that
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we're taking that really high level content that you get
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at gRPC and bringing it locally so that the average
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person has access to it. And one of the wonderful
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things about New England is it's very drivable. We've got
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six states where we're kind of jammed in together, so
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it's very accessible to everybody here. I mean, you know,
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I get it, and may northern Mainers may have a
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little bit of a hike, but for the vast majority
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of the population of New England, Chickapea, Massachusetts is dead
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in the center where everybody can easily get there be
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a highway. So really, yes, you're exactly right. We're taking
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that concept and making it more locally accessible, Holly.
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In my head, I'm seeing a person who's in that area,
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who believes in the Second Amendment, wants to do something
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about the Secondmendment, and whether they've he or she had
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voiced it, their saying to themselves, yeah, but I really
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don't know anything about this. I don't know what to do.
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You know, this person could go to this conference and
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sit there and not say a word. You're not going
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to be put on the spot of what are you doing,
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and just absorb and just learn and go, oh, okay,
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there are some things that I individually can be doing
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to help with the process.
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Absolutely, And we're going to have all of the players
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from their state in the room. So if you don't
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yet know how to make a difference, this is the
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perfect opportunity to have a moment to introduce yourself for
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whatever it is, and it will come to you and
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say hey, thanks for being here, like what's your interests?
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And they may say, well, you know, maybe they're from
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the Free State of New Hampshire but they don't like
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the direction that their legislatures starting to go, or maybe
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they're in Maine and they recently saw what it's like
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to get these bad bills. Same goes for Vermont. You know, Vermont,
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we kind of assume here in Connecticut, Vermont is very
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free to us. But you know, folks from the honor
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seeing some bad bills for the very first time, This
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is really an opportunity to make those connections. And every
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single state will have representation in that room as far
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as what's happening in your state legislature, what's happening in
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the Second Amendment world in your local area, and how
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to be a part of it.
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And for the person who's sitting there in Florida or
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Mississippi or Missouri saying okay, well, why do I care
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about that? Here's why you care is because what happens
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in California and what happens in New England oozes out
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like slime to the rest of the country. And if
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you stop it there, it makes a difference. And let
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me ask you how, I mean, I love what the
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concept of this. In essence, it's like a regional gun
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rights policy conference. Is there talk yet? And I know
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this is very early on because you're just starting this one,
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but is there talk about maybe taking this to other
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regions of the country.
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There absolutely is, And it's already in the work, so
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we do. We have folks that are flying in from
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this to this conference, from San Diego, from Arizona. They's
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got a gentleman coming up from Georgia. We've got coming
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from Ohio. And this is really the exciting direction that
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Citizens Committee is going is taking this really important information
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and getting it out to the local area. So that
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is exactly what we're working on. New Jersey's very fired
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up about it, you know, and bringing this conference out
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to different regions. And I think you're going to see
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a lot more coming out of the Citizens Committee for
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the Right to Keep the bear arms.
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To me, this is the answer to people who say
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I would love to help, but I don't know how.
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This is the one where they say, Okay, this is how,
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this is who you work with, this is who you join,
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this is what it takes. Just put your toe in
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the water. We'll take you the rest of the way.
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That's exactly right, and it's really the most welcoming group
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of people. Anybody who's in our community in the second
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eleven community knows that you will be welcomed with open
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arms and how can we help you? And let's chat
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and keep in touch and it's just the most wonderful
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group of all American people just doing what they can
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to fight the good fight.
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And this is coming up next Saturday, right it is.
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Yeah, So it's Saturday, May thirtieth. It's nine to four
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thirty in Chickapea, Massachusetts, and there are still general admission
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tickets available, so I would encourage folks to please buy
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them in advance so we can give the venue the
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opportunity to get an adequate headcount for food. But your
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twenty five dollars admission to this conference gives you a pastry, breakfast,
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coffee throughout the day, and we're going to feed you lunch,
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so you really cann't go wrong for twenty five dollars.
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And I'm very grateful for our sponsor at USCCA to
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to helped make that possible for twenty five dollars to
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come in and get a full immersive day including food
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throughout the day.
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Where did they sign up? Yeah?
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Super easy. So the Citizens Committee for the Right to
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Keep the Bear Arms is simply ceased KBA dot org
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and then forward slash SAC which chandfor Firearms Advocacy Conference.
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If that's too much to remember, just do a simple
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Google New England Firearms Advocacy Conference. It will pop right
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up right there and if folks are interested, I would
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really encourage them to purchase tickets either today on Sunday
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or tomorrow on Monday. We'd love to have our headcounting
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to the venue for Tuesday.
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There you go. Systems Committee for the Right to Keep
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in Bear Arms CCRKBA dot Org. Holly, thank you so much.
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A great idea. I love seeing the idea that this
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is going to move around the country. This is a
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great concept.
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Thanks so much.
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Tom.
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All Right, you take care of yourself. A great weekend.
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at gun talk dot com. That's gun talk dot com.
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Two and fifty years of American liberty, Ruger is honoring
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that milestone with firearms worthy of the moment. The two
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hundred and fiftieth Anniversary series distinctly marked with made in
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the two hundred and fiftieth year of American Liberty. Each
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limited production model echoes Ruger's legendary nineteen seventy six bi
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centennial line while celebrating the freedoms the Second Amendment has
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safeguarded for generations, from the iconic ten twenty two to
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the LCP Max, the Super Wrangler to the American Rifle
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Jen two.
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These aren't just guns.
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Well, we're just talking about gun unfriendly states. And then
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last week we get this story comes out. Ruger Ruger
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Firearms headquartered in Southport, Connecticut, founded in nineteen forty nine
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by William Bannerman Ruger W. William B. Ruger and Alexander
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Stern was Sturm Ruger. Of course, they they're leaving. They're
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leaving Connecticut. They're moving their headquarters to Mayo Dane, North Carolina,
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where they've had a factory in a presence for some
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time now. Ruger has factories all over the country. Actually,
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I was surprised at this one. Honestly. They've been in
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Connecticut from the found founding, from the beginning, and yet
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maybe I shouldn't have been because Connecticut has to become
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rapidly antisecond Amendment viciously. I mean to the point of
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saying that they're going to ban glocks, and everything's like
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a glock, including the Ruger rx M. We'll see how
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that goes in the courts. But I guess they probably
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just got to the point where the political political environment
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was just so ugly that they couldn't stay there. Ruber
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has plants in Newport, New Hampshire, Prescott, Arizona, Earth City, Missouri,
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and hebron Kentucky. Of course, North Carolina is a good state.
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It doesn't have permitless carry, it's not perfect. Who knows,
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maybe the Ruger influence can make a difference there as well.
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So that's kind of interesting. We have seen a number
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of gun companies move, Smith and Wesson moving down to
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Tennessee from Massachusetts. Some other companies have moved, like Bagpull
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moved several years ago. And it's interesting because the governors
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or the legislature whoever it is a lot of himself,
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say well, they're not going to move. It costs them
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too much to move. They've been they realized well no,
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actually they just left. And then of course they come
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back and say, well that's fine, goodbye. Who cares? Well,
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they do care because they've took a lot of jobs
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with them, but weirdly enough, their agenda, their narrative, is
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more important to them than having people have good paying
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jobs in their state. So that's what's going on with Ruger.
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All right. So I did two things the last couple
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of weeks that I'm able to connect to my mind
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and wouldn't seem like they're connected. Maybe. I did the
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two fifty class, the Jeff Cooper Commemorative two fifty class
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at Gunsight. It's five days of fire's instruction. And then
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this week I did three days of training where I
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was the student doing backcountry flying here in Idaho, that
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is flying in the mountains, through the canyons, landing at
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little bitty air strips out in the middle of nowhere,
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little gravel strips where there are no roads, and trying
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to figure out how do you get into here? How
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do you fly through this river? How do you fly?
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I mean it's like a Star Wars approach, flying through
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a canyon through almost like a tunnel, and getting some
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good instruction and in the process. I mean, I loved it. It
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was great fun because I love flying. It's like my
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other turning money into noise activity guns and airplanes. I
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don't do boats. I've done a lot of boats. I
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grew up in boats. I have the best boats in
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the world right now. My friends have boats, and they
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say that we don't run our boats enough. You know
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where the keys are. Just take our boats anytime you want. Okay, cool,
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don't work. It's kind of like other people's ammo. Other
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people's boats works really well for me too, so I
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get to do that. But yeah, I fly old airplanes.
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As I tell people, I drive old cars so that
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I can fly an old airplane. That's fine. But the
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risk analysis was similar between the guns and the airplanes
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of doing things to say Okay, I know that I
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recognize the danger here. When you are flying in the
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back country, you got nothing but rocks and trees under you,
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and some places there's no good place to put a
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plane down if you had to. You are mitigating risks.
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I was thinking about that round I had where I
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had the reversed primer that cost me to shoot off.
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I am going to say it cost me to shoot off.
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In my mind, I can say, well, I was going
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to win that. Now I may not want it, but
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that's okay. I can blame it on the primer, right.
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But you know, think about this. Inspecting your AMMO every
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single round that you use for self defense or for
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competition is not unlike doing a pre flight on an airplane.
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You walk around, you check it, You check the oil,
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and you check the gas. You check all the important
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stuff because this is important and in the case of
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a self defense gun or an airplane, you could end
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up dead if you do it wrong. Okay, this is
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really important. That's why we have procedures. That's why we
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have checklist, That's why we have certain way that we
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draw the gun. That's why we have a certain way
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that we put the gun back into the holster. We
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have a certain way that we move that we when
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we shoot, we stay on the site. Just in aviation,
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I've heard it said a lot, and we have a
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lot of regulations they call they're called the faars, the
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Federal Aviation Regulations. And people have said, look, all the
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fairs are written in blood because they are a result
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of accidents. And we figured out what happened, and we
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came up with a regulation to try to address that.
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And in a way we think about the what we
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do with guns and self defense guns. A lot of
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the procedures that we use if you go get good
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trading are the same thing. They are a result of
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examining what worked and what didn't, what went wrong? How
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do we address that? How can we be better at this?
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It's just I don't know. I find the parallels very interesting.
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So it's a lot of his mindset and we talk
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about that affair amount. It's like getting your head right.
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Getting your head right is trying to avoid the situation.
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You know what, do we say the best way to
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win a gunfight is to not be there? Just how
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about just don't be there when this thing goes down?
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And how do you achieve that way? You ramp up
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your awareness, you're looking around. We talked about having that
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code word. We've talked about that on the show here
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for years for your family of you have this word,
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the one that one of the instructors said, he said,
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our family word came up with. He said, I'll let
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the kids choose it. It was a broken arrow. Something
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that's not going to come up in a conversation. If
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one of the members of our family says, broken arrow,
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we need to go to the parking lot right now,
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Nobody says, why, what's going on? What are you talking about?
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What are you? Nope, yes, put down your fork, let's
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go stand up or walking out the door right now.
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We'll discuss it once we get out there. But we
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got to go broken arrow that we need to go
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to the car right now. Okay? Cool. It buys time
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in the ten seconds or thirty seconds, it buys you,
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maybe enough to get you away from whatever it is
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that's going down. And maybe there's nothing going down. Maybe
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you just saw something that looked a little weird and
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funky going. I don't like that. I don't know what's
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going on over there. I don't want to be here
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when this thing gets sorted out, and maybe you come
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back in two minutes and it's not a thing at all.
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But it's a part of the mindset of being aware.
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Not staring at your phone when you're walking through a
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parking lot. For heaven's sakes, if you have to do
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something on your phone somewhere, back up and put your
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walk You're back against a wall, so people can't sneak
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up behind you while you're staring at this thing in
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front of you. It's like, well, I never would have
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thought of that. Yes, I know, that's why we talk
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about it here. What are the things you do? What
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do you do to say, Okay, I'm going to be
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a little bit more aware. Something you do when you're
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driving in traffic, Something you do when you're crossing the
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street or in a parking lot or some other place.
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I know you have things that you do. What do
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you do and what do you tell your family? Give
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me a holler at eight six six talk Gun or
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Tom Talk Gun check us out over on X. I
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am Gun Talk there at gun Talk. We'll be right back.
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You know, it doesn't really matter if you want to
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talk about handguns or rifles or shotgun. We'll talk about
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all of those are ways to store your guns safely.
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They're available to you for self defense, but still secure
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against somebody else. Get in the hold of it. Basically,
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we'll talk about pretty much anything. Give me a Hollo
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eight sixty six talk gun. If you got a thought
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on that, our question, how you want to proceed, we'll
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help you out there. Let's see. Paul called in from Nampa,
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Idaho online too. Hey Paul, you're on gun Talk. What's up?
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Hey, Good afternoon, Tom. Great Memorial Day weekend going on here? Hey,
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I got a rain report for a I carried three
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to eighty and I used to carry a Versa because
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I could afford it. And I walked into a gun
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show the other gun show, gunshop the other day, and
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in the case was a Barretta eighty five bb OH
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with blue scale slide and a luminum frame. And it's
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just a single stack, but I kind of like that because, uh,
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a little slimmer profile. But I've got big hands, so
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frame put my hand and the thing shoots really well.
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I like it considerably more than the than the Versa, triggers, nice,
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et cetera.
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Well, Yeahretta, it's it's double action, single action, right. The
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Asa correct. Correct? Did you have any trouble with the
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transition between that heavy first double action pole and then
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the next one being a single action pole?
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On the Bursa, yeah, you know, I don't want to
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I want to rain on their parade. But compared to
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the Barretta, it was like night and day.
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Well yeah, I mean you look at it now. I
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know you bought the Barretta used, but if you looked
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at the the retail price is probably two or three
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times the cost of the Bursa.
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Uh yeah. I actually bought it at at Cabella's and
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uh you know, I dropped my wife off across the
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street to go shopping, and I went shopping in burt
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Oh so you used huh yeah. So I was not
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expecting to uh buy again, but walked into their library
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and there they were. I'd never actually seen one before.
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I go, that's a good looking little pistol.
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And uh well, I can just tell you that it's
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that's never happened to me, and that I walked into
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a store and ended up buying a gun I didn't
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expect to buy. I can't imagine how that would happen
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to anybody.
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Yeah, well, that the bonus. The bonus was they took
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took the bursa on trade. So oh wow there with
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a nice.
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Little Now that that is a nice pistol. And yeah,
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with today's modern three eighty defensive, ammo, it's just fine.
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You got to check yourself. A nice pistol there, Wait
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to go, paula good ranger Port. Thank you for the call, sir.
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Let's grab James online one out of Texas. Hey James,
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you're on gun Talk. What's going on here?
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Oh Timmy, your friends might need to look out for
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a former congressman, former anti gun Congressman Swalwell who had
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to resign due.
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To sexual assault charges.
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In Yes, speakers at the Brady Action Awards in twenty
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twenty four, big fundraiser for them. It was on YouTube,
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but they took it down. I have heard that it's
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supposedly a film clip of Swallwell with a woman who
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accused him of sexually assaulting her right after this event.
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Yeah, it's interesting how some of the politicians will go
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be a speaker at or appear with the gun band groups,
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but then they want to basically erase all of the
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evidence of that because they want to claim that they
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are a moderate in the middle of the road or
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the whole. Well, I support the Second Amendment, but they
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always know the butt in, you know, but actually do
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want to take your guns away, which is a weird
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kind of way to support the Second Amendment. But no,
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you're you're exactly right. I mean you have slime balls
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like Swallwell and and others. I mean, you got well
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right now in Virginia, the governor, she was a volunteer
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and activist for the anti gun lobby, and how she
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is the governor after proclaiming herself to be a moderate
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and not at all against the Second Amendment, and of
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course now she's still pushing for it and just signed
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gun bands in Virginia. So yeah, no, you make an
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excellent point. You got to keep an eye on these
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folks and watch what they do, not what they say,
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and if they're getting money from the gun band lobby,
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and if they are particularly like guest speakers that these
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places are, they're volunteers their gun banners. No matter what
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they say, they'll say, yeah, I don't really no, no, no,
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no no. If you're aligned with those folks, you're a
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gun banner. Great call, sir. I appreciate the heads up
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on that. Let's go to hell and online five out
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of North Dakota. Hey, how you're on gun Talk? What's up?
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Yeah? Yeah, I've been listening to your show for a while,
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and I've been hearing all this talk about magazine capacity
494
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and silent thurs and all that. It reminded me of
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when I was a kid in our hardware store, must
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have been about forty eight forty nine around and there
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when this pastor brought it a four ten Stevens pistol
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into our hardware store, and he told my dad he's
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feeling more like a criminal every day because because he
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owned this little garden gun for cottontails and gophers in
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his garden. And my dad as much as told him,
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when you don't don't feel alone, the sort of the
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guys that got marble game getters, or the guys that
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happened to sot their shotgun barrels, or the guys that
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just had returned from Germany with an automatic pistol in
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their sea bag, or even his uncle had a spand
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out machine gun from World War One hanging over his
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his mantle as a reminder of the war. So, uh,
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I think we don't want to lose sight of the
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fact that the Second Amendment has has really nothing to
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do with hunting or target shooting or even even personal defense.
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It has to do with preventing government tyranny. Who get
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another guy like Paul Potter Hitler or malech he Tongue.
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That's that's why they put it into the constitution. They
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just fought this war of independence and the British had
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come to take their guns. That's how the Revolutionary War started,
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and they said, we're going to make sure we put
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this in there that if we end up with a
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tyrannical government, the people will have the arms they need,
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not necessarily firearms, at arms, which includes a lot of
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different things to be able to resist this kind of tyranny.
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So you're you're right on the money, You're exactly right.
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Good call, Thank you, sir. I appreciate that. And of
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course the Supreme Court in Heller does say that, yes,
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the Second Amendment is about fighting tyranny, but it's also
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for self defense. So they've included that that's been incorporated
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into what the Supreme Court supports. That unfortunately has been
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twisted and I wouldn't say misinterpreted, but that's not right,
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misstated basically lied about from a number of states. You say, well,
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you know, the Supreme Court said that, you know, you
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can't ban guns that are in common use for self defense.
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I'm sorry, that is not what the Supreme Court said
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in Heller. What they said was you cannot ban guns
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that are in common use for lawful purposes. And then
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they added, such as for self defense. That was a
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here's an example of common use for lawful purposes. So
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self defense would be a lawful purpose. There would be
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a number of other lawful purposes. But at no point
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did the Supreme Court ever say that you can't ban
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guns that are in common use for self defense. And
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yet that is what's in the briefs of the gun
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banners before the federal courts across the country. They misquote purposely,
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they misquote the Supreme Court in this decision, and some
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of the courts are actually letting them get away with it,
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and they're supporting this not misinterpretation, because that would be
546
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like saying, well, I don't quite understand they understand exactly.
547
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They're lying about what the Supreme Court said. And some
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of these judges in these district courts and even judges
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sitting on federal appellate courts are buying into the hoax.
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They're buying into the line saying, oh, yeah, you the
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Supreme courts are the right of the Second Amendment only
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says that you can't ban guns that are in common
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use for self defense. Nope, nope, nope, nope, that's not
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what Supreme Court said. So just you got to be
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alert and awared about that kind of stuff. All right,
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let's go, let's see. I think we've got time you.
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Let's grab Dennis online one out of Arkansas. Hey Dennis,
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you're on Gun Talk?
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Hi, Tom, how are you doing.
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I'm great?
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What's that? Glad to get a chance to talk to
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you about the gut twenty five. I own, okay, some
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stup of a hand injury on my shooting hand. And
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I've heard of one of the shows that you'd mentioned,
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only uh we called uction device you would want to
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put on that was I don't remember if you said
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a muggle brake or a compensator, and you should please
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do not put this on there, but instead use this.
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I am not remembering that. I would definitely not put
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any kind of compensator or recoid reducer on that g
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T twenty five pistol. It's just not something I would do.
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I would see how bad is the injury and what
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do you what? Can you shoot.
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My? Uh?
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Eight?
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Okay, too much shame.
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But well that's interesting because I was going to say, well,
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why don't we gear down to a three eighty and
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have you shoot that? And look, not everybody can shoot
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a ten And maybe is the injury gonna heal to
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where you'll be able to get back and shooting at
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ten at some point?
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Do you think I'm working on that and going through
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I can take some therasis for that. But this is
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my gun. Sorry, when I go out.
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Oh it's your bear gun?
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Yeah? And there's more. Yeah?
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Can I suggest have you tried shooting the GT twenty five,
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the ten milimeter pistol with your hands?
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Now?
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Can you shoot it one time?
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Yeah?
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Okay, okay, if you can shoot it one time, you
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can shoot it ten times, because trust me, when mister
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bear wants to crawl all over you, you will shoot
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it ten times and never worry about that it hurts
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your hand. You won't even notice it.
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Okay.
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I wouldn't go out and practice with it, but you
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already know how to shoot it. I would carry that. Now, yeah,
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you can get some lighter loads, which will you know,
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probably be just fine because you're looking at black bears there.
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You don't have grizzlies, So I would probably be maybe
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think about a little bit lighter load, but I would
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carry that ten and just understand that you will be
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fully adrenalized if you need to shoot a bear in
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self defense, because he's going to be close and you're
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going to be giving him everything you can. At the
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end of it, you won't know how many rounds you shot,
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and you won't even feel it in your hands. Maybe
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the next day you will, but you'll be able to
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do what you need to do. So I would practice
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with the three eighty and carry the ten. We'll say,
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all right, good deal. I think it's gonna work out fine.
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It's funny. I appreciate the call. Funny you mentioned that
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I've just for the last three days when I was
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flying in the back country, I was carrying my GT.
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Twenty five pistol. That's that special gun we had a
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short run made of with Ruger out of the customs
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show up. It's a commander sized nineteen eleven steel frame
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shooting the ten milimeter auto cartridge, and I was carrying that,
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and I'm outside the way, spent holster. Just wear to
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vest for concealment, you know, Look, is the ten the
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best thing for a bear? No, it's not. All handguns
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are a compromise when it comes to bear protection. If
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I really wanted to have a gun to protect myself
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against bears, I'd carried a three seventy five EH and
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H rifle, great big sucker, But that's cumbersome, and so
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we got to find a compromise somewhere between that and
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not carrying anything, and so the handgun works. A three
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fifty seven I've carried those. I would carry a three
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fifty seven, a ten, a forty one, or a forty
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four magnum. That's kind of where I would be. Probably
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not a four fifty four casole I have one, Probably not,
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just because I don't think I can do follow up
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shots very quickly with that. There's just too much recoil.
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I would add in a forty five Colt with the
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right loads. A good forty five colt with good hard
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casts lead bullets, you get great penetration in a big,
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old frontal area, there would work. I do have five
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hundred Smith and Wesson revolver, too much recoil for follow
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up shots, for quick follow up shots, and so again compromises. Look,
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if you can shoot one of those and shoot it
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fast and accurately and have to be accurate because you
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can't miss fast enough to stop, charge more power to you.
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I'm pretty sure I can't, and I shoot a lot.
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I'm going to be shooting more. By the way. Oh
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tip for you, if you are a watcher of YouTube
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videos I'm shooting, be aware that some of these folks
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are shooting at lightning speed. They're using a few tricks
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that may not apply to you, so don't feel bad
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about yourself. Tricks like I was watching and look, Max
653
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Michelle is the real deal. He's a really good shooter.
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But I was watching him do a string, shooting really fast,
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and the empty brass is barely coming out of the gun.
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I mean it's just barely clearing the ejection port. Now
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I'm looking at it and thinking, man, that has some
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light loads and there's almost no recoil. So he's shooting
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really light loads, just enough power to make the gun function,
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which is fine. Look, he's there to shoot fast and
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hit targets. I get it. There's nothing wrong with that.
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It's not cheating, it's just doing what you got to do.
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All On the other hand, there are other people, and
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Max is not one of these people, who will shoot
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their fast draws and fast splits and everything else, and
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you may not be aware unless you look at it carefully,
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that they're speeding up the video. Yes, that is taking place.
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So there are YouTube videos out there people with lightning
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fast shooting and great splits and super times. If they're
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not showing you the targets, and they're not showing you
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where they placed in the match and who they beat
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and how many people were competing, there's a possibility just
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saying watch out for it. If you're watching videos, say,
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were the targets falling faster than they should steal targets
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or the brass cases flying faster than they shoot out
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of the gun. Did they speed up the video a
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little bit there just to make them look a little faster.
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I'm sure that no one's ever done. Yeah, of course
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they do. How Dom Grass, You'll be right back. Hey,
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let's go straight to the phones. Tom's Dan Fargo, North Dakota. Tom,
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Thanks for your patience. You have the floor, sir, Yes.
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Sir, so talk about observing. I've talked to you before,
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and I deliver stuff. And when I'm ever in a
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parking lot, coming out of a store, sidewalk wherever I am,
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I look and then it says, you know how it says,
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And look at a stop sign twice, look again, because
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then you then you'll get details. You scan over, look
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again and look again. See what's hiding in the shadows,
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See what's hiding behind whatever is going to pop out
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between the cars. That kind of stuff.
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There's a difference between looking and seeing, isn't there?
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That's right? And it's just like in my car. The
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rear rear view mirror on my windshield will often block
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vehicles coming off exit ramps or entrance ramps rather entrance
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wraps our vehicles. At stop signs, it will block it.
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Look again, look around. It's the same thing. It doesn't
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matter if you're in the woods, in the parking lot,
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especially parking lots, parking garages, that kind of stuff. All that, yeah,
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but always always I have to use I'm sorry I
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have to use GPS. I don't like it, but I
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don't have that thing. Talk to me versus looking at
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my phone.
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I'll let it.
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Let it talk to me.
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I really don't, right, So you can be looking at
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the road and looking for obstructions and things going on
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out there, and they can talk you.
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Into the turns exactly, exactly brilliant.
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I love it. Thank you, Tom, I appreciate that. Good stuff. Man.
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Here's what I thought for you. Also when you're driving,
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And I actually learned this from self defense guys who
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really special forces kind of guys who do stuff. The
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idea of there were two of them run the scenario,
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and before they started, and the inside of a building,
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one says, you look long, I'll look short. I thought,
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what was that? What do you just say? Well, you
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can't do both. You can't look all the way down
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the end of the hallway and look short at what's
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going on right around you. I thought, well, that's interesting,
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So I started utilizing that. Try this just as an
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when you're driving your car, think this, think look long,
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look short, scan left, scan right, long, short, left right,
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Drive your eyes way down the road, see what's going
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on way down, and not just the car in front
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of you, but a bunch of cars in front of you,
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or if it's a big open stretch of road, what's
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going on a half mile down the road. Is there
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a critter? Is their truck? Is there something weird going on?
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You see it ahead of time and then come back
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and look short, see what's going on around you. But
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it's a way of exercising your eyes so they don't
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kind of just glaze over, get dull, looking at the
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same place over and over again. You also a lot
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of times see interesting things that way. But you just
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as you're driving, think look long, look short, scan left
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and right. Now when I say scan left and right,
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I'm talking about looking to the left of the road
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and to the right of the road. What's going on
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over there? Is there a pedestrian, Is there a deer?
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Is there a torontosaurus? Wrecks coming out? I don't know,
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but you you want to be looking because if it
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is a t rex, you want to be the first
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one to see it. There you go. So just saying
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it's a it's a way of living intentionally, of not
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just going through the motions. And I will tell you
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a lot of times I turn probably eighty or ninety
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percent of the time when I'm driving, I don't have
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a radio on because I don't I'm in no radio,
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no news, no music, no nothing, because I don't want
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the distraction. I want to be there, right where I am,
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because I find that when I have that radio play,
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I'm not really there and you'll drive for miles and
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miles and miles and not even remember driving or where
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you went or what you saw. I know you can
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do it, we all have done it. But I'm just
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throwing it out there. Maybe it's something that you want
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to consider. There you go, all right. When we come back,
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I want to talk about what's going on. We just
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want an important second mimic case. We'll cover that and
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we'll take your calls and comments here eight sixty six
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talk guys. I'm Tom Gresham. Check us out over at
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