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This is a clip from day zero. You can access
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the entire episode now on our website and all podcast platforms.
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The whole week was, was crazy because my book came
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out on the Wednesday before it. And so I was
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dealing with that Wednesday, Thursday of that. And then Friday
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morning I go, I fly to Nashville and, we have
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a production meeting at like five o'clock Friday night with
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about 15 people. And, and that goes on for a
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few hours and we have dinner in there. And, uh,
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I'm really impressed with the team, you know, right off
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the bat, like looks good. Uh, next day we go
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over there, um, and to the Woolworth theater in downtown
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Nashville to check it out.
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And I was like, Oh shit.
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Like this place is, gonna be perfect for what we're
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doing and we did like a walkthrough had a production
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meeting there with everybody met with the debaters told them
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what's what and then the debaters went back to the
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hotel did whatever they needed to do i stayed there
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got changed got in um they call it hair and
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makeup you know i mean with me there's not much
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hair uh but but They got to get you looking
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all pretty. So I'm doing the moderating. And then upstairs,
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sort of where I'm on the stage, I can only
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see the back of their heads. It's Alex Stein, Stan Tripoli,
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and Kyla Turner. And they're the three panel people. And
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so I hung out with them for a little bit
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before everything started. But once everything kicked off, man, we
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did six and a half hours straight of debates, four
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debates in a row, one right after another, after another.
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And we started with Rex Jones, Alex Jones' son. He
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was in the play-in championship bracket tournament where he started
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as one of 32 and wound up against this guy
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named Octavius Thunder, who's a comedian who's also debating. And
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he got the short end of the stick in terms
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of the topic that he had to take the side of,
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which was genetic modification inside in humans and he was
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going to be in favor of it and how it's
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totally fine. And you, you could genetically modify your babies
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and things like that. And Rex Jones, Alex's son, who's
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totally prepared and just like a smaller version of Alex
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completely and utterly destroyed him, which was to be expected.
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But, uh, then we did Dr.
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Heather Lynn against James Johnson, um, who is, uh, He's
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a preacher from New Orleans. I liked him.
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He was cool. I really liked Dr. Heather Lynn. We
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actually wound up sharing an Uber to the airport on Sunday.
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She does a really good sub stack on esoteric occult
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sort of things.
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Yeah, yeah. I wasn't really familiar with her work, but
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got to know her and really liked her. Then the
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third debate was Jay Dyer versus Stefan Molyneux. And this
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was when Jay Dyer called me the worst moderator in
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the history of moderating during that, which during the debate
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and then did it again online afterwards.
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I wasn't starting some drama with Greg. I don't know
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what it is, but I just saw something. Yeah.
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He had a problem with, with Greg Carlwood was calling
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him a Gnostic and everything. Greg's like, what the fuck
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are you talking about?
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I mean, I don't know.
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He's, he's off his rocker. So he tried to pick
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a fight with me. But the thing is that, I
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fight back. So I told him to shut the fuck up,
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which I guess apparently.
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You don't say when you're moderating a debate. But I said,
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shut the fuck up.
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I mean, you do.
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Nobody can hear what you're saying. Nobody can hear the
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answer to your question because you keep talking over him.
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So that was what I said. And he was, of course,
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offended that I told him to shut the fuck up.
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But don't blow off the production meeting.
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He needed to shut the fuck up.
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And he blew off the production.
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Meeting where I told you, I told everybody, if you
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do that, I will tell you to shut the fuck up.
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That was in the meeting.
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You told him what would happen.
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Come on.
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So anyway, and then after that was the last one, C.J.
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Pearson versus fucking hell, Adam, who I didn't care for
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either one of these guys, to be honest with you.
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They both were like arguing in favor of voting. Like
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they say that this was going to. going to be
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so much better for the Democrats. And the other guy
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was like, this is going to be so much better
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for the Republicans. And I'm just like, talking about voting
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in 2026. Are you serious? Like we're talking about moderator.
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So anyway, then that was the fourth one that wrapped up. Um,
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we announced the winner.
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Of the Rex Jones, uh, Octavius thunder match, which was
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Rex Jones.
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And then, um, I mean, are those two real names?
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rex jones and octavius thunder.
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Octavius thunder is not that is okay that is his
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comedy his alias super.
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Nice guy and he's a funny guy and sam takes.
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Him out on the road with him apparently i think
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rex and octavius are two badass.
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Old school names rex jones is is his real name
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yeah that's pretty cool obviously it's alex's son he's a.
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Jones i saw him in 2023 in austin.
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At the.
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American Independent Media Awards where he accepted an award for Alex. Anyway,
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so then I got given.
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The winners on a sheet of paper of the three
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other debates.
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And so.
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After the last one, then I went upstairs to the
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panel and I joined the three of them. I had
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a chair there for me and I announced the winners.
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So we did that and wrapped it up and it
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was six and a half hours and it was streaming
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on YouTube and Rumble. And I was like, in my mind,
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I was like, all right, well, maybe there's like, I
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don't know, like 40, 50,000 people watching streaming. That'd be
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pretty good. And there were on, on YouTube, there were 40,000
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people that were watching it, but.
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There were 540,000 people watching it on Rumble.
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Hell yeah, dude.
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That's rad.
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They did a deal.
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With Rumble to put, uh, to put it, like rumble
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sponsored the event and they pinned it right on the
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homepage yeah and we and no thank god nobody told
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me yeah that would have made you nervous you know
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what i mean yeah i didn't know until i didn't
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know until i was back in my hotel room and
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sam texted me.
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And he goes oh my god dude we did monster numbers.
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So uh so how does it determine who wins Like
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how's that audience?
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The, the live stream audience votes on, on who, who
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they think.
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That's pretty cool.
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That's pretty cool. Yeah. So it's not, it's not us.
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I mean, it wasn't the production team or anything like that.
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It was, in fact, I, I was standing over the
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guy's shoulder at the very end when we were doing
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the tabulations and the last one, the, the two kids that,
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that were debating each other, CJ versus Adam. He said,
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all right, I'm going to refresh it one last time.
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And when he did that, the vote switched by one vote,
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which is ironic because they were talking about voter integrity.
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So when we went up there, I said it won
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by one vote. which was cast by the illegal.
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That's what I'm talking about. I demand a recount.
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Where are we going?
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What was it? Is that 2000 in that Gore Bush? 2000.
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Am I right?
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2020.
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It was a hanging Chad. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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2000.
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That was Gore Bush where they had the shenanigans in Florida, right?
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Yes.
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That was the beginning of election shenanigans. This is every
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four years and abated for the last.
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That was the first time we were told that the
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machines could be hacked remotely. Right.
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Exactly. Oh, okay.
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So anyway, all in all, um, great experience. They're planning
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on doing more of these. They're, they have big plans
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for it. I, I, I, I enjoyed, you know, the
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production team behind it was a plus, like they were
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real organized.
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And I was, I was impressed. I mean, I'll do it.
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I'll do another one if they want me. We'll see.
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But it was either way.
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It was just a fun experience because it was like, um,
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just something, you know, just one of those things, like
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something I've never done before.
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So that's very cool.
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Let's go do it. That doesn't, The not fun experience
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was you trying to get back home. That was a
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not fun experience.
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Planes, trains, and automobiles.
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And it's funny because I was with Sam, not at
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the airport, but I was with him all weekend. And
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his big thing he's been saying lately is they don't
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want you flying. And of course, I'm thinking that as
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my plane, as my flight is getting delayed, delayed, delayed,
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and then ultimately canceled.
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They don't want you flying.
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I'm like, oh, they're getting pretty close to making me
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not want to fly. You have the benefit of not
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even wanting to fly. So, you know, it's not going
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to impact you as much.
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Well, you see, I do have, well, I need to
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come out there and see y'all eventually. I need to
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plot out something, seeing how y'all are all in there.
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general vicinity. I just gotta wrap my head around that.
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Around getting on that plane.
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Road trips are cool too. I road trip.
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Woo!
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Woo!
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I know they are, but hot damn.
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It's a long drive. That's one of those drives that
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is a long drive, and then you get about a
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day into it, and you go, oh, man.
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Unless you're me, and you're like, this is an endless
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fun experience.
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I can do anything I want.
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I can go anywhere I want. I don't have to
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take any amount of time I want.
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Well, you see, Lindsay, that's why you're the spiritual one.
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You see what I'm saying? You can go out there
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and get in the woods or somewhere, be one with nature. Me,
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I'm going to be like, where's the AC in the
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basketball court?
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You know what I'm saying?
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That's where I'm going to be.
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I love everywhere. Everywhere I ever have been, I'm like,
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I could live here. Johnny makes fun of me. He's like,
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we get somewhere new. He's like, do you think you
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could live here? I'm like, yeah, I could. This place
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is awesome. Every place is awesome. Except, like, I haven't
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been to India and a few places in China.
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I was like, this is pretty awful. There would not
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be a place to be. There would not be a
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place to live.
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Just the piles of garbage. I'm like, you, you, you
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can't be, this level of disgustingness is not forced on
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you by like capitalism or like some kind of fucking
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higher class. Like you're just garbage people. You just let
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you choose to cover your world in garbage and live
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in your own filth.
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So garbage people, why that is.
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And of course I wrote about them in the new
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book and it's not nice. But I wrote about them
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in two places. I began in the introduction by saying
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that they're lying about their population numbers, that there aren't 1.6
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billion Indians, and there aren't even a billion.
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So that's the good news, I suppose, if you want
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to look at it that way. If you're an asshole
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like me. And they are.
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So distracted when they're out in nature that 60 Indians
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a day get killed by trains.
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So as we've talked about, so, so you, you, you've
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got to keep an eye on this group.
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They're wait.
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So what is the IQ of India?
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Supposedly? Well, it's, low 70s. And those are our doctors
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and shit?
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I recognize individuals can have IQs even if the nation
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has a low average.
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They split your niggas up. So they're just like, hey, look,
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you dumb and you can't procreate with this particular group
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is that I can't be bothered with this. I'm higher
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caste than you, and so I'll just throw it down
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they're all the customer service specialists when you call in.
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They can't build off of anything. They can't remember anything
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that happened yesterday. And so you can't teach them anything.
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you've seen the videos of them paving the roads, right?
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They're paid the freshly paved road. And then there's like
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the village discovers this and they're out there with their
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baskets in their little hand rock. Like, I don't know,
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like stone age tools, shipping away at the asphalt, putting
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it in their bath.
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This is a clip from day zero. You can access
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the entire episode now on our website and all podcast platforms.
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The whole week was, was crazy because my book came
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out on the Wednesday before it. And so I was
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dealing with that Wednesday, Thursday of that. And then Friday
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morning I go, I fly to Nashville and, we have
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a production meeting at like five o'clock Friday night with
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about 15 people. And, and that goes on for a
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few hours and we have dinner in there. And, uh,
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I'm really impressed with the team, you know, right off
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the bat, like looks good. Uh, next day we go
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over there, um, and to the Woolworth theater in downtown
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Nashville to check it out.
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Like this place is, gonna be perfect for what we're
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doing and we did like a walkthrough had a production
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meeting there with everybody met with the debaters told them
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what's what and then the debaters went back to the
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hotel did whatever they needed to do i stayed there
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got changed got in um they call it hair and
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makeup you know i mean with me there's not much
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hair uh but but They got to get you looking
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all pretty. So I'm doing the moderating. And then upstairs,
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sort of where I'm on the stage, I can only
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see the back of their heads. It's Alex Stein, Stan Tripoli,
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and Kyla Turner. And they're the three panel people. And
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so I hung out with them for a little bit
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before everything started. But once everything kicked off, man, we
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did six and a half hours straight of debates, four
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debates in a row, one right after another, after another.
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And we started with Rex Jones, Alex Jones' son. He
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was in the play-in championship bracket tournament where he started
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as one of 32 and wound up against this guy
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named Octavius Thunder, who's a comedian who's also debating. And
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he got the short end of the stick in terms
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of the topic that he had to take the side of,
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which was genetic modification inside in humans and he was
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going to be in favor of it and how it's
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totally fine. And you, you could genetically modify your babies
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and things like that. And Rex Jones, Alex's son, who's
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totally prepared and just like a smaller version of Alex
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completely and utterly destroyed him, which was to be expected.
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But, uh, then we did Dr.
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Heather Lynn against James Johnson, um, who is, uh, He's
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a preacher from New Orleans. I liked him.
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He was cool. I really liked Dr. Heather Lynn. We
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actually wound up sharing an Uber to the airport on Sunday.
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She does a really good sub stack on esoteric occult
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sort of things.
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got to know her and really liked her. Then the
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third debate was Jay Dyer versus Stefan Molyneux. And this
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was when Jay Dyer called me the worst moderator in
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the history of moderating during that, which during the debate
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and then did it again online afterwards.
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I wasn't starting some drama with Greg. I don't know
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what it is, but I just saw something. Yeah.
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He had a problem with, with Greg Carlwood was calling
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him a Gnostic and everything. Greg's like, what the fuck
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are you talking about?
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I mean, I don't know.
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He's, he's off his rocker. So he tried to pick
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a fight with me. But the thing is that, I
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fight back. So I told him to shut the fuck up,
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which I guess apparently.
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You don't say when you're moderating a debate. But I said,
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shut the fuck up.
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I mean, you do.
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Nobody can hear what you're saying. Nobody can hear the
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answer to your question because you keep talking over him.
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offended that I told him to shut the fuck up.
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But don't blow off the production meeting.
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He needed to shut the fuck up.
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Meeting where I told you, I told everybody, if you
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do that, I will tell you to shut the fuck up.
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That was in the meeting.
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You told him what would happen.
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So anyway, and then after that was the last one, C.J.
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Pearson versus fucking hell, Adam, who I didn't care for
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either one of these guys, to be honest with you.
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they say that this was going to. going to be
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so much better for the Democrats. And the other guy
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was like, this is going to be so much better
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for the Republicans. And I'm just like, talking about voting
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in 2026. Are you serious? Like we're talking about moderator.
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we announced the winner.
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Of the Rex Jones, uh, Octavius thunder match, which was
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Rex Jones.
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And then, um, I mean, are those two real names?
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rex jones and octavius thunder.
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Octavius thunder is not that is okay that is his
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comedy his alias super.
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Nice guy and he's a funny guy and sam takes.
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rex and octavius are two badass.
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Old school names rex jones is is his real name
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yeah that's pretty cool obviously it's alex's son he's a.
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Jones i saw him in 2023 in austin.
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American Independent Media Awards where he accepted an award for Alex. Anyway,
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so then I got given.
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The winners on a sheet of paper of the three
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other debates.
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panel and I joined the three of them. I had
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a chair there for me and I announced the winners.
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was six and a half hours and it was streaming
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on YouTube and Rumble. And I was like, in my mind,
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I was like, all right, well, maybe there's like, I
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don't know, like 40, 50,000 people watching streaming. That'd be
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pretty good. And there were on, on YouTube, there were 40,000
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people that were watching it, but.
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There were 540,000 people watching it on Rumble.
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Hell yeah, dude.
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That's rad.
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They did a deal.
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With Rumble to put, uh, to put it, like rumble
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sponsored the event and they pinned it right on the
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homepage yeah and we and no thank god nobody told
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me yeah that would have made you nervous you know
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what i mean yeah i didn't know until i didn't
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know until i was back in my hotel room and
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sam texted me.
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So uh so how does it determine who wins Like
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how's that audience?
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The, the live stream audience votes on, on who, who
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they think.
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That's pretty cool.
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That's pretty cool. Yeah. So it's not, it's not us.
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guy's shoulder at the very end when we were doing
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the tabulations and the last one, the, the two kids that,
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that were debating each other, CJ versus Adam. He said,
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all right, I'm going to refresh it one last time.
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which is ironic because they were talking about voter integrity.
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by one vote. which was cast by the illegal.
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That's what I'm talking about. I demand a recount.
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Where are we going?
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What was it? Is that 2000 in that Gore Bush? 2000.
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Am I right?
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2020.
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It was a hanging Chad. Yeah.
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2000.
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That was Gore Bush where they had the shenanigans in Florida, right?
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That was the beginning of election shenanigans. This is every
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four years and abated for the last.
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That was the first time we were told that the
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machines could be hacked remotely. Right.
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Exactly. Oh, okay.
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So anyway, all in all, um, great experience. They're planning
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on doing more of these. They're, they have big plans
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for it. I, I, I, I enjoyed, you know, the
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production team behind it was a plus, like they were
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real organized.
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I'll do another one if they want me. We'll see.
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But it was either way.
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It was just a fun experience because it was like, um,
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just something, you know, just one of those things, like
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something I've never done before.
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So that's very cool.
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Let's go do it. That doesn't, The not fun experience
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was you trying to get back home. That was a
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not fun experience.
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Planes, trains, and automobiles.
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the airport, but I was with him all weekend. And
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his big thing he's been saying lately is they don't
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want you flying. And of course, I'm thinking that as
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my plane, as my flight is getting delayed, delayed, delayed,
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and then ultimately canceled.
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They don't want you flying.
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I'm like, oh, they're getting pretty close to making me
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not want to fly. You have the benefit of not
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even wanting to fly. So, you know, it's not going
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to impact you as much.
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Well, you see, I do have, well, I need to
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come out there and see y'all eventually. I need to
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plot out something, seeing how y'all are all in there.
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general vicinity. I just gotta wrap my head around that.
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Around getting on that plane.
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Road trips are cool too. I road trip.
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Woo!
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Woo!
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I know they are, but hot damn.
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It's a long drive. That's one of those drives that
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is a long drive, and then you get about a
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day into it, and you go, oh, man.
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Unless you're me, and you're like, this is an endless
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fun experience.
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I can do anything I want.
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I can go anywhere I want. I don't have to
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take any amount of time I want.
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Well, you see, Lindsay, that's why you're the spiritual one.
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You see what I'm saying? You can go out there
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and get in the woods or somewhere, be one with nature. Me,
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I'm going to be like, where's the AC in the
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basketball court?
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You know what I'm saying?
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That's where I'm going to be.
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I love everywhere. Everywhere I ever have been, I'm like,
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I could live here. Johnny makes fun of me. He's like,
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we get somewhere new. He's like, do you think you
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could live here? I'm like, yeah, I could. This place
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is awesome. Every place is awesome. Except, like, I haven't
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been to India and a few places in China.
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I was like, this is pretty awful. There would not
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be a place to be. There would not be a
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place to live.
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Just the piles of garbage. I'm like, you, you, you
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can't be, this level of disgustingness is not forced on
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you by like capitalism or like some kind of fucking
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higher class. Like you're just garbage people. You just let
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you choose to cover your world in garbage and live
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in your own filth.
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So garbage people, why that is.
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And of course I wrote about them in the new
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book and it's not nice. But I wrote about them
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in two places. I began in the introduction by saying
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that they're lying about their population numbers, that there aren't 1.6
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billion Indians, and there aren't even a billion.
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So that's the good news, I suppose, if you want
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to look at it that way. If you're an asshole
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like me. And they are.
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So distracted when they're out in nature that 60 Indians
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a day get killed by trains.
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Okay.
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So as we've talked about, so, so you, you, you've
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got to keep an eye on this group.
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They're wait.
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So what is the IQ of India?
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Supposedly? Well, it's, low 70s. And those are our doctors
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and shit?
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I recognize individuals can have IQs even if the nation
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has a low average.
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Well, they got the chaos system. Ain't they still got
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like a chaos system over there?
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Yeah, one of those things too.
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They split your niggas up. So they're just like, hey, look,
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you dumb and you can't procreate with this particular group
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of people.
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That's another thing is that that's part of the reason
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why there's the trash that there is, is that Every
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group who's walking around with a piece of potential trash
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throws it out because they believe that throwing trash away
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is beneath them and that it's the other cast's job
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to take that trash.
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And throw it away.
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Now, of course, everybody thinks it's everybody else's responsibility, so
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none of it ever gets done. But that's apparently the thinking,
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is that I can't be bothered with this. I'm higher
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caste than you, and so I'll just throw it down
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and you have to pick it up.
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It seems like it's a worldwide phenomenon, that specific attitude.
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When I've been abroad and picked up garbage, people are like,
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what the fuck are you doing? They're like, why would
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you belittle yourself in this way?
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And I'm like, oh, I just wanted to enjoy a
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nice area.
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Obviously, you're the lowest of the low.
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Whenever you said.
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That you were going to give us the bad part
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about it, I thought you were going to say that
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they're all the customer service specialists when you call in.
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That's what I thought you were going to tell me.
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They're all over mania. You've got a problem with your phone.
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That's the high end of the spectrum is the call center.
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To be honest with you, unfortunately for them, that's.
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The high end. The low end is every day is memento.
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They can't build off of anything. They can't remember anything
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that happened yesterday. And so you can't teach them anything.
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You can't take them out there and teach them how to,
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you've seen the videos of them paving the roads, right?
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They're paid the freshly paved road. And then there's like
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the village discovers this and they're out there with their
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baskets in their little hand rock. Like, I don't know,
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like stone age tools, shipping away at the asphalt, putting
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it in their bath.
