FIVEAA Breakfast with Will & Stacey - 29 October 2026

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Speaker 1: Come and join the team on 5AA. Good morning.
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Speaker 3: Live from Hindmarsh Square, it's 5AA Breakfast. Neil Goodings with Stacey Lee.
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Speaker 1: Night after six, good morning to you. Welcome to Thursday on 5AA Breakfast, the 29th of October. It's going to warm up a bit today as you just turned 25 degrees. Sounds good. Very pleasant. Lots to discuss. I'm looking forward to our first talk topic this morning, but I don't want to reveal too much on that just yet. Matt Abraham will be on the show. We've got Robbie Williams tickets to give away, as we've had all week. A lot of fun with that. We'll have some more fun a little bit later in the morning. How do we go with the whole high trust society thing these days? I mean, returning trolleys. I mean, the community little libraries that you see outside people's homes.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 1: And roadside flower stalls, where they rely on a system of the flowers are there, you pay the right amount. Doesn't always happen. Owner-operator Lisa Angwin of Backyard Blooms is going to join us to talk about the experience of running a roadside flower stall on that front just before 7 o'clock today. We're also going to chat with the member for Elizabeth Ellis Shaw, who, along with Lucy Hood, one of two MPs targeted by a stalker, well, an alleged stalker, In light of Helen Haynes, of course, we've got heightened awareness of this sort of thing. Their story, I wonder how commonplace this is in politics, where they thought they were independently experiencing something awful, and then in conversation discovered, actually, this is the same person. We'll talk to Ella Shaw about that experience, certainly in light of the post-Helen Haynes world that we now live in. Stacey Lee, good morning to you.
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Speaker 4: Good morning, Will.
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Speaker 1: You noticed something that is deserving of conversation this morning, featuring Ben The Victorian Premier Ben Carroll.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Politicians eating on the campaign trail is always a risky move.
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Speaker 1: Never good.
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Speaker 4: Never good. And he was at Macca's.
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Speaker 6: I don't even know the context of the story because it wasn't important after I saw Ben Carroll eating an ice cream. And I think anyone making eye contact with anyone while they're eating an ice cream is unsettling. But then he was at Macca's and he picked up his hot chips and started dunking his hot chips in his Macca's soft serve ice cream.
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Speaker 7: Oh, no.
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Speaker 8: Yep.
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Speaker 4: The salty hot chips in the Macca's ice cream and then was eating the chips.
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Speaker 1: Now, Jess just whispered to me that we've got audio of this. The last thing on earth I want to hear is audio of Ben Carroll.
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Speaker 4: Will is not the guy that wants to hear that.
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Speaker 1: Okay, no, he's just reassured me. Hang on.
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Speaker 9: Premier went for a pit stop today with his big Labour red bus, pulled in for a late morning top up at a Nidri Macca's where he did order a quarter pounder, Diet Coke and a soft serve ice cream. used his fries into the sundae before he had the burger.
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Speaker 1: Okay, well, that's weird too. The order's way out of whack there, surely.
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Speaker 4: Well, but you can't buy the ice cream and then keep it until after you've had your burger.
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Speaker 1: That's true.
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Speaker 4: Why did he buy it?
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Speaker 1: Why did he buy it? No surcharges anymore. Hang on, but it sounds like you're not totally anti the chips in the soft serve.
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Speaker 4: No, I do the chips in the soft serve from time to time.
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Speaker 1: All right. We've got tickets to give away. We spoke with Alistair Campbell yesterday. Really fascinating chat. Host of the most popular politics podcast on planet Earth. Former advisor to Tony Blair and the Blair government. He's coming to town. He'll be chatting with Peter Malinowski on stage. Sounds like it'll be a really interesting evening. We've got tickets to give away to that. We'll give them away to someone who comes on air in the first part of the program this morning with a food hot take. What do we mean by hot take? We mean some strong, wild opinion you've got about food. It might be wildly unpopular. It might be normal, but you just feel very passionately about it, like hot chips in a sundae.
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Speaker 6: Daniel already on the text line, don't knock it till you've tried it.
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Speaker 4: It's actually so yummy. I agree with Daniel.
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Speaker 7: No, I'm very.
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Speaker 1: I've got a friend who just describes me like a cat when it comes to food. If I don't know where it's come from, I won't eat it. If there's anything weird about it, I avoid it. I'm not a fan of that one.
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Speaker 4: Producer Pat has a strange one.
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Speaker 1: Paddy's is the best. I think Paddy might win if he'd called in this morning. He'd win the Alistair Campbell tickets. So Patrick goes to Sushi Train. Loves it.
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Speaker 4: Loves going to Sushi Train.
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Speaker 1: His Sushi Train hot take is the best thing about Sushi Train is not the sushi.
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Speaker 4: He hates sushi.
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Speaker 1: Doesn't eat it.
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Speaker 7: Won't go near it.
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Speaker 6: He'll only go– he's like a four-year-old. He'll only go and eat the deep-fried things.
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Speaker 10: Right.
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Speaker 1: I was going to say the coloured jelly.
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Speaker 4: And that, I think.
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Speaker 1: I figured the coloured jelly might be his wheelhouse.
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Speaker 4: Only after he's.
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Speaker 1: Eaten his deep-fried dinner. 8223 0000. What's your food hot take? 04808 1395 as well, or 8223 0000. Let us know. Food rules, food hot takes, strong views about food this morning. Yeah, hit us with it.
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Speaker 4: I think I might get cancelled.
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Speaker 1: Oh, dear. All right, here we go.
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Speaker 4: Bunnings sausage sizzle.
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Speaker 11: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Thumbs down.
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Speaker 11: What?
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Speaker 4: Thumbs down.
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Speaker 7: Okay.
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Speaker 1: Overrated.
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Speaker 11: All right.
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Speaker 1: Make the case.
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Speaker 12: Well, since when is.
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Speaker 6: Buying that boring $ 2 packet of sausages ever any good?
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Speaker 7: Okay.
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Speaker 1: So this is a... You know what this is? This is a cultural clash. Yeah. Because your people are accustomed to eating fancy meat.
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Speaker 4: Have you ever been to the Gagana sausage sizzle?
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Speaker 1: It's great. It's a ciabatta cheese.
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Speaker 4: It's got some potato salad. It's got real sauce, not just your boring tomato sauce.
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Speaker 7: Well, then.
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Speaker 1: We can come to a head here because my lukewarm take in Australia is the secret to a good sausage sizzle is the cheapest sausage you can buy and the cheapest piece of white bread you can possibly buy.
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Speaker 4: Oh, no, it's so skippy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, correct. Correct, Stacey Lee. That's the secret. The fancier it gets, the worse it gets. I saw a great– someone made a video about it, about coming to Australia. I think it was an American or Canadian– And they went to a barbecue and figured the people were impoverished because they had to ask their partner about it. They said, oh, I didn't know they were struggling. It's the cost of living thing. No, this is how we do it. Tell us your food hot takes, folks. 8223 0000. You can win tickets to see Alistair Campbell in the process. You can text them through.
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Speaker 7: On 04808 1395.
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Speaker 6: Ben Jordan has just pointed out, he's reminded us about Bill Shorten eating a hot dog from the middle.
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Speaker 4: Do you remember that?
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Speaker 1: That was bizarre.
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Speaker 4: Instead of starting at the end, he started in the middle.
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Speaker 1: That was bizarre.
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Speaker 4: Politicians just should not eat.
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Speaker 1: Tony Abbott eating the onion? Yeah, that. That still might be number one.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that has to be.
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Speaker 1: Rob in Clearview, what's your food hot take?
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Speaker 5: I don't have a hot take, guys. I grew up at Tassie and it's a Tasmanian thing.
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Speaker 13: Raspberry jam and cheese on.
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Speaker 14: Toast, I love.
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Speaker 4: My mum does that too, Rob.
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Speaker 1: Raspberry jam and cheese on toast.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, a little bit bitey on the cheese just to make it nice.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And you know what?
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Speaker 6: I used to think it was weird until I grew up and loved a cheese board. And when you have a cheese board, you have cheese and quince, which is pretty much the same thing.
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Speaker 1: That's interesting. That's worthy of further investigation, Rob. Thank you. Let's go to Salisbury Plains. Raymond, good morning.
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Speaker 13: Good morning, folks. How are we?
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Speaker 7: We're good, Raymond. Very good.
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Speaker 13: This is going to be a bit contentious, but pineapple does belong on pizza.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you on that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I kind of agree. It's got a place, not all the time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, not all the time.
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Speaker 13: You've got that mixture of savoury and sweet.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So, yeah, you know. I put pineapple in everything.
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Speaker 13: If you have a bit of curry, not curry, chilli with it or something like that, the sweetness is a good mix, I reckon.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I once bumped into the former member for Unleague, David Bozzone, at the Blue Room at Parliament House, and he used to always say, are you seven years old? Why do you always have pineapple on everything?
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Speaker 4: Pineapple on everything. And you said, yes.
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Speaker 1: I said, yeah, that's exactly right. All right, we're going to take a break. We'll get to some more of your food hot takes in a moment. 8223 0000, inspired by the Victorian Premier, on the campaign trail, dipping his fries into his sundae. 20 minutes after six. A lot of peculiar stuff's going on the campaign trail in Victoria over there. Dogs in cafes. They've been careful dipping his chips in sundaes.
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Speaker 4: I forgot about the dogs in cafes.
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Speaker 1: There was another policy. There was a liberal policy position that came out the same week. And I remember we were on here saying they're having more fun over there in Victoria in their election campaign than we did. Some weird stuff suddenly got front page. Anyway, this morning it's a food hot take. So we're borrowing from our friends over in Victoria. And there are some crackers coming through on the text line.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're getting some hilarious ones.
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Speaker 6: Karen and Craigmore toasted banana and Vegemite sandwich with a glass of green cordial. Best morning after the night before recovery meal.
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Speaker 1: We must be talking about cooler. Are we, Karen?
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Speaker 4: It has to be Coddy's cooler.
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Speaker 1: I love Coddy's cooler.
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Speaker 4: Green cordial.
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Speaker 1: As an adult now, my mind wonders, why do they call it cooler?
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Speaker 11: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Is it because there's so little of any natural thing in it that they can't legally refer to it as, you know, I don't even know what it is.
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Speaker 7: Limes?
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Speaker 1: Whatever.
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Speaker 4: At least the lemon cordial is yellow.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 4: The raspberry cordial.
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Speaker 1: It's close enough.
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Speaker 4: Blackcurrant is purple.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: The rest of them are named after fruits.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 12: Cooler.
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Speaker 1: Can we get that in a lab? The Today Tonight lab back in the day? They'd break that stuff down.
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Speaker 6: This one on the text line, cheese and apricot jam on bread. Some people are keen for some, lots of people liking the cheese and the jam combination, just a different type of jam.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yep.
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Speaker 4: Quinton says, good morning snag snob. I'm assuming that's to me. Fair.
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Speaker 6: My food hot take is a thick slice of fritz smeared with Vegemite, both the thicker the better.
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Speaker 1: Vegemite on fritz. You might have just reached peak South Australian, Quinton. It's actually might be the most South Australian thing anyone's ever eaten. Unless you slapped it on top of a frog cake and called it a day. Unbelievable. Your food hot takes, folks. 8223 0000 could win you tickets to see Alistair Campbell when he comes to town. If you missed that interview yesterday after 8.30, really interesting international take on some global political phenomenon and things that are happening here in Australia too. Let's check in on a local story that's developed overnight. You just heard it with Kate Collins in 5AA News a short time ago. There has been a shooting at a property on Gwynne Street at Furl. It's where Hayden Nelson is this morning for Seven Sunrise. Hayden, good morning. What's happened?
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Speaker 15: Morning, guys.
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Speaker 10: Well, the scene here at Furl at the moment on Gwynne Street, the street is largely shut down and crime scene investigators, including investigators from major branch and the internal investigation section of SAPOL inside a home. It is centred around a home, even though A lot of the street is closed off at the moment. That is because what we're learning this morning is that a police were called at about 2 o'clock, we're not sure by who yet, to this home where they were confronted by a woman with an axe. She was threatening officers. They've used a taser. It hasn't subdued her. She has continued on. An officer has then fired a shot from the police-issued firearm. She has been fatally shot, so they've tried to perform first aid on her In that moment at the scene, they've tried to save her, but she couldn't be saved. A police officer has also suffered minor injuries, according to the release we just got through from State Poll. Luckily, no other police were injured or badly injured in this. Certainly, at the moment, I was just speaking to a senior officer at the scene, he's speaking to all the police involved with this, you can imagine they'll have to undertake some, um, some counselling as a result of making that, uh, decision in that moment to have to subdue this, this woman over here overnight. Um, but this will all form part of the investigation. You can imagine looking at body worn vision as well this morning to determine exactly what's led up to this, but this is what police are telling us these very early stages, guys.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's going to be a big story today. Uh, Hayden, thank you. We don't have many police shootings in this part of the world, no matter where we live. Um, The taser being ineffective invites some speculation, but we will learn more over the course of the day on that front. Hopefully the police officers involved are okay. Top of 25 today. Again, these cool days that break into sunshine in the middle. 9.3 outside at the moment, so it's cool. It's actually below what the forecast minimum was. 25 today. It's going to warm up and it becomes tropical tomorrow. It's 29 at the top with up to 7mm of rain. A shower or two Saturdays, it drops back down to 23mm. Same two for Sunday, a zero to six millimetres and 25 at the top. A warm Monday, but again, drizzly. 29 on Monday. Tuesday, 22. Wednesday, 20. So we might get back down to being somewhat cool in the middle of the week, albeit the forecast minimums during the next six days range between 17 and 14. So nothing as cool as the last two days, potentially. That said, as I've just said a moment ago, this morning was cooler than the forecast minimum. So we'll have to wait and see. Tom Renz of the 5AA Breakfast Studio. Gliderol garage doors over 50 years strong. All colours, all styles, all street appeal. Gliderol.com.au. Morning to you, Rennie. Morning, Will. Morning, Stacey.
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Speaker 12: Now, morons like me were outraged yesterday. What a great decision from Australia to bowl first. Isn't it amazing how quickly things can turn? And hasn't it turned for Australia? So yesterday, well, and South Africa are partly to blame for this because they had Australia on toast yesterday. And even Ackerman, who batted beautifully, made 95, threw his wicket away. A couple of their plays did. And then Mitch Stark, brilliant. So Australia get back into the contest a little bit. And then yesterday, something we haven't seen or overnight for a long time, that is Australia just bat a full 90 overs and look really good. Four for 330. So it means they lead by a run, heading into day four, six wickets in hand. If they can get 150, 200 ahead, it's just about match over. And then series one, which is enormous to win over there. They're a good side, South Africa. They're the reigning Test champions. So that would be huge. Four players with half centuries. Matt Renshaw looked great. 74 at the top of the order. Cam Green, who's had so many critics. 65, excellent. Travis Head chipped in with 41. And the two players at the crease, Alex Carey, another South Aussie, really solid. 51, old school. 126 balls, but looking rock solid. Josh Inglis, 85, which means the one player, he's gone. His Test career, I think, now he's over. Manus Labashain out for a duck.
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Speaker 1: This is how it happened.
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Speaker 7: Got him.
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Speaker 11: Harmer's got Tynan over.
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Speaker 1: Labashain departs for a duck.
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Speaker 9: And the tipsy, topsy nature of this test match continues.
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Speaker 12: So, audio there, thanks to Fox. It's horrible when you can see a player literally bereft of any confidence. And we've all seen it.
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Speaker 1: He's been that way for 12 months, hasn't he?
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Speaker 12: It looked like he was batting in lead boots. He could not. His feet did not move.
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Speaker 1: Watching him playing Bangladesh in the top end, it felt a bit like that as well. He just was so woefully out of form. Don't beat yourself up too much, Rennie, about the toss commentary because Australia have made it look like a good batting wicket.
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Speaker 7: They have.
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Speaker 1: It looks like the kind of wicket you would win the toss and expect to bat on.
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Speaker 12: And South Africa should have made 500.
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Speaker 10: Yes.
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Speaker 12: When you're one for 200 and you can see the body language is starting to.
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Speaker 1: It's difficult. It's hot.
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Speaker 12: It's draining. But credit to Australia. They fought back. But I think South Africa helped them a bit.
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Speaker 1: A bit.
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Speaker 12: But now that they have foot in the throat, time to ram it home and really push home this advantage.
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Speaker 1: Also a reminder why test cricket's the best. Because in football, say a week is a long time in football. In the space of two sessions, we can go from this is going to be a reckoning in the end of multiple Australian careers to famous victory in South Africa. And that's just how test cricket always is. Absolutely. It looks like disaster and then suddenly it's a great success and it goes back and forth again. And you're talking about one game. Exactly.
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Speaker 12: But it does mean that Labouchagne, I mean, he clearly does not play.
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Speaker 1: So who bats three in the future? It's a great question.
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Speaker 12: So do they bring in Sam Constance, who's making runs? Do they bring in McSweeney? He has to make 100 today. Has to make 100. Cam Bancroft made 100 yesterday. I don't think they'll go down that path. I think it's maybe Constance, push Trav back to five. But then if Inglis makes 100, you're not dropping him. So some really big decisions. Connolly probably comes out. So some huge calls to make and some big runs to be made in shield cricket. But Labashane is the one that goes. I think they'd like to get McSweeney in, but he's got to make some big runs. Patterson's the other one.
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Speaker 1: From New South Wales. Suddenly makes it an intriguing summer.
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Speaker 12: Doesn't it?
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Speaker 1: It's got to be really, really fascinating. Great stuff.
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Speaker 4: AFL fixtures coming out?
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Speaker 12: Looks like that's going to come out today.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 12: So it looks like Adelaide in particular are going to feature a lot on Thursday and Friday night football, which are we fans?
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Speaker 7: Will?
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Speaker 12: I know you can sometimes.
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Speaker 4: You love the Thursday.
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Speaker 1: I love the Thursday just as a TV watcher.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: It isn't great for my capacity to call football with you, though. Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 12: That's true, yeah. So I think Port will get a couple as well, and maybe a couple of those will be away too. But for the fans out there, I think get used to those Thursday and Fridays. Crows fans in particular, because they're a good side, they succeeded last season relatively to other sides. They'll be featuring, whereas Port, I suspect, will probably get a lot of those Sunday games.
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Speaker 1: Sunday twilight.
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Speaker 4: Sunday afternoon.
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Speaker 1: What's the worst time slot for the weekend, do you think?
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Speaker 12: Sunday twilight.
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Speaker 1: Sunday twilight. Do we all agree Sunday twilight?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, we agree.
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Speaker 12: Because the weekend's coming to a close. You're starting to get ready for the week ahead.
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Speaker 1: I reckon the early Saturday's pretty ordinary too. Kids sport, you've got things on.
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Speaker 12: A lot of country listeners that struggle to get down for those games.
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Speaker 1: What's the worst time slot, folks?
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Speaker 11: 8223 0000.
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Speaker 1: Text us on 04808 1395 because we figure Port might be in it. The way things are looking. Thank you, Reddy.
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Speaker 12: Good on you guys.
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Speaker 3: Knockdown.
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Speaker 3: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
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Speaker 1: 20-7. AFL fixture comes out sometime today. I think Port fans are probably mentally prepared that they're going to get the bodgy time slots. It's always the way. If you're an interstate club that finished in the bottom four, Congratulations. Meet Sunday twilight and Saturday early days for the next year. We've got a few texts through. One person here says the worst football time slot is Thursday nights because it's too hard for country supporters to get to. Rob makes the point that Wharfie time was, I thought, already just the consensus worst time in football. Thank you, Rob. Dave Lloyd, our Aberdeen correspondent, I think made the definitive argument on this. He says the worst times for an away game are Sunday at 12. It's Sunday at 12 o'clock Melbourne time.
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Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, 11.30 here.
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Speaker 1: Game kicks off when I'm still on the bacon and eggs and reading the Sunday mail. And the worst time for home games is Sunday twilight because you should be at home making lunch and ironing your strides for Monday.
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Speaker 4: Couldn't agree more.
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Speaker 1: I think that's bang on, Dave.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it is. Well, earlier this.
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Speaker 6: Year, we were talking to the State Theatre Company, at least in afternoons, I was talking to them because they had a call out for choirs. They wanted just local choir groups to get involved in a new performance, the Heartbreak Choir. Well, now they've managed to get 16 choirs all together, all from different parts of South Australia. And Carol Young is the musical director and she joins you now.
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Speaker 4: Good morning, Carol.
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Speaker 8: Good morning.
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Speaker 4: How is it going with all the choirs from Australia? South Australia?
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Speaker 16: Well, everybody is ready to go. We've been able to choose our choirs, and we've gotten them all the resources, and they've learnt the songs. And everyone's really excited. Can't wait to get on stage.
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Speaker 4: So you have 16 of them involved from all around?
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Speaker 16: Yeah, that's right. We've gone as far afield as Murray Bridge and down south we've got the, this is my favourite choir name, a group from Wollonga called the Terribly Loud Choir. It's a great name, isn't it?
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Speaker 11: Yes.
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Speaker 4: Were you surprised at the talent?
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Speaker 16: No, no, I'm not because I've been in the choir game for a long time and Adelaide and South Australia has an incredibly healthy and vibrant choir community. We've got, you know, if you want to join a choir, there's choirs everywhere in South Australia that you can join.
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Speaker 4: And so what's the training been like? Have you had to do any? any in-depth training with any of the choirs?
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Speaker 16: Well, we've got on this Saturday, actually, we're meeting all of the choirs for the first time and all 16 groups are coming together in one giant rehearsal. So that's going to be super fun.
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Speaker 1: Is it always collegiate, Carol? I don't mean to imagine there are some sort of rivalries among choruses out there and choirs.
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Speaker 10: But.
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Speaker 1: Is the language always uniform? Do the people have different views on how things should be directed and sung and so forth?
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Speaker 16: Look, yes, I think people do, but it always really has got to come down to the vision of the person out the front. But I think that it's a pretty collaborative kind of place and everybody gets to have their say. But, you know, in the... In the end, really, the person who's waving the stick has to say, no, look, we're going to do it this way.
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Speaker 7: All right.
00:22:11
Speaker 4: So they'll be involved in the Heartbreak Choir performances. When do they get underway?
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Speaker 16: So we preview from November the 20th and opening night is November 24.
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Speaker 4: How exciting. Well, I'm sure it'll be a great fun, Carol. Thanks for your time.
00:22:30
Speaker 16: Oh, thanks so much for speaking to us.
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Speaker 4: That's Carol Young, the musical director of the Heartbreak Choir.
00:22:35
Speaker 6: For a second then, Will, when you said, is it collegiate, I was thinking, were you asking about wars between choirs or, you know, are we getting any fire bombings?
00:22:44
Speaker 1: I thought, where's this going? I was thinking in terms of theatre troops, if you've got them together, you'd have, and I love, that was a world I lived in, but if you'd have people going, oh, seriously? Is that how we're going to do this?
00:23:00
Speaker 7: All right.
00:23:01
Speaker 1: That's not how I would have done things. But you know what? You do it your way. And I wonder if that is– I don't know enough about music to actually ask the question how I wanted to, but is language– is it so prescriptive, the way music is written and to be performed, that you don't get that kind of artistic difference of opinion?
00:23:16
Speaker 7: Yep.
00:23:18
Speaker 1: Reading between the lines, it sounds like you still might. You still might. I think Caroline answered it well. For the conductor at the.
00:23:24
Speaker 4: Front to tell everyone, no, this is how we're doing it.
00:23:27
Speaker 1: Correct. Dustin, play us Adelaide Festival Centre from the 20th of November to the 5th of December if you would like to get along. 8223 0000 is our number. We're still taking food hot takes if you've got one for us. We will give away our Alistair Campbell tickets very shortly.
00:23:44
Speaker 6: We had a really good one from Brent, and now I know why he's so up and about every morning. His food hot take is put a bit of chilli powder in your black coffee.
00:23:54
Speaker 1: Exhilarating. Sorry?
00:23:55
Speaker 7: Yep.
00:23:56
Speaker 4: He said exhilarating. Chilli powder in black coffee.
00:24:01
Speaker 1: I've never heard of that before.
00:24:03
Speaker 4: That would get you up and about.
00:24:04
Speaker 1: You put a bit of liqueur or something in a coffee, that's a well-trodden part. Has anyone else ever done chilli in a coffee? Chilli powder. That would get you up and about. Yeah. Is this person a truck driver? What's happening here?
00:24:15
Speaker 4: I don't know.
00:24:16
Speaker 1: We need more information on that. Send us more texts, 04808 1395. Now, we've got a bit of an announcement to make regarding 5AA Breakfast. The weather. The weather has been on at this time for... Forever. In fact, I think from the first moment this station broadcast, we've done the weather at 6.45.
00:24:36
Speaker 7: No more.
00:24:37
Speaker 1: The Weather Bureau contacted us and said that doesn't work anymore. So we'll be chatting with the Weather Bureau at 7.20, 7.25 each morning from now on, which means the weather is now up to me. I'm not going to sing it. You made it sound like I was going to sing it, didn't I?
00:24:54
Speaker 4: I thought you were about to break. You're starting a choir.
00:24:57
Speaker 11: Of your own.
00:24:57
Speaker 1: It's something I prepared earlier. 9.3 degrees outside in the city at the moment. The apparent temperature is 9. Heading for a top today of 25. Pretty nice-looking day, mostly sunny. I like this. The Weather Bureau have said there's 100% chance of no rain. Love that. Not 99, no wiggle room, 100% chance of no rain. Light winds today as well, so should be a pretty reasonable sort of a day. Seas to below 1 metre, so if you want to get out in the boat, it's going to be perfect for that as well. The sun set will be at 7.42pm tonight. Days ahead as we look towards the rest of the forecast for this week. 29 tomorrow, up to 7mm of rain. Basically showers between now and Tuesday of next week. Saturday a shower or two, 23. A shower or two Sunday in 25. Monday back up to 29. Again, wet Tuesday, a possible shower, 22. And Wednesday, a shower or two and 20 degrees.
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Speaker 4: I feel like I should applaud that performance. Maybe tomorrow we need some dance moves.
00:26:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we can do a bit of jazz hands. Yeah, that would be great. That's just what the people want. We will hear from the Bureau at 7.25 this morning. Let's go to the say poll. Senior Constable Liam Bennett joins us. Liam, there is a big story, of course. in your world and in South Australia this morning, a fatal shooting at Furl overnight involving police officers.
00:26:25
Speaker 15: Yeah, that's correct. It was just before 2 o'clock this morning that police were called to a property on Gwyn Street at Furl, and that was following reports that a woman was armed with an axe. When patrols arrived, they were confronted by this armed woman who allegedly threatened the officers. During the incident, police deployed a taser against the woman, which was ineffective, and they subsequently discharged a firearm, striking the woman. Officers immediately rendered first aid to her. Before SA Ambulance, paramedics arrived and they also provided medical treatment. However, sadly, the woman died at the scene. A police officer sustained minor injuries during this incident also. Now, major crime investigation branch detectives, forensic officers and investigators from the internal investigation section are at the scene and are examining all of the circumstances surrounding this incident. A report will also be prepared for the coroner Now, Gwynne Street remains closed this morning as investigations continue, so we asked motorists and pedestrians to please avoid the area.
00:27:24
Speaker 6: Okay, and an Angle Park man attempted to steal copper with an angle grinder last night, Liam.
00:27:31
Speaker 15: Yeah, that's correct. Bit of a lighter story, this one. So it was 11.30 last night that police were called to Bedford Street at Gilman after witnesses called us saying that they saw a man using an angle grinder to try and cut metal from a fire hydrant and water meters in the area. Patrols were quickly on scene and arrested the 42-year-old Angle Park man. They charged him with numerous offences, including theft, property damage and being unlawfully on premises. He was bailed to appear in the Port Adelaide Magistrates' Court in November. We just want to say thank you to the members of the public who reported the suspicious behaviour to us, which obviously allowed us to stop the property damage that was being committed and ensure that this man has his day in court. So we encourage anyone who does see suspicious activity around businesses to call us immediately on 131 444.
00:28:16
Speaker 1: And Liam, a 16-year-old fell from a train yesterday.
00:28:21
Speaker 15: Yeah, that's right. It was 4.15 yesterday afternoon that police and emergency services were alerted to reports that a person had fallen from a train near Nantawarra in the state's mid-north. A search of the area was immediately launched with the assistance from POLAIR. It was about an hour later that the injured team was located on railway tracks near Beaufort. Initial investigations indicate that the 16-year-old boy had been hitchhiking or train surfing on the outside of the train before he fell. Now, the boy was airlifted to hospital in a serious condition with life-changing injuries, and investigations into the incident are ongoing.
00:28:58
Speaker 1: That's concerning. All right. Well, there's a bit to talk about there, Liam, over the course of the day. Thank you. Senior Constable Liam Bennett from SAPOL. There'll be plenty more on that fatal shooting at Furl in your news services tonight and indeed on 5AA over the course of the day. A few texts coming through. I think Rob makes this rather astute observation that the justification, I think he's suggesting the justification for the chilli in the coffee doesn't quite hold up. He says, if you put chilli powder on your toilet paper, you'll be up and about too, but I don't think I'd ever do it. Thank you for that, Rob.
00:29:29
Speaker 6: I like this text from Rob. Can't wait for the Will Gooding's weather app and how much he spends developing it.
00:29:34
Speaker 1: Give me $ 65 million and I'll get your weather app. Something like that, wasn't it? Cam in Campbelltown says, it definitely wasn't me, nor was I brave enough to try it, but I knew a guy who would add salt and pepper to his black tea and set a physical timer for the optimum brew time.
00:29:53
Speaker 6: There's a strange part of me that can kind of understand that.
00:29:58
Speaker 1: Some of these food hot takes, I think if we strip them back, are actually cries for help. Let's check traffic. A beautiful noise. The Neil Diamond musical is bringing an exclusive performance to Rundle Ball this Friday.
00:30:08
Speaker 2: Knockdown, Bill 2, with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
00:30:17
Speaker 3: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
00:30:24
Speaker 1: Five to seven. Roadside flower stalls and community libraries, you know, the little sometimes homemade shelves that have books on it that people can borrow from and share and you can donate a book, you can take a book. These things, I think, are barometers of community health. If you see a lot of them around, it's probably a nice street. Yep. If you see it being respected, it's probably a nice area. So what does it say when the opposite happens?
00:30:47
Speaker 13: Hmm.
00:30:48
Speaker 1: Well, that's what we have to contemplate with Lisa Angwin from Backyard Blooms, who runs one of these lovely little flower stalls where people can do precisely that. And Lisa, do they typically do the right thing? Good morning to you.
00:31:01
Speaker 14: Good morning, guys. Absolutely. I could not honestly be happier with the community support that I've received in the last 10 months since opening.
00:31:11
Speaker 12: It's been amazing.
00:31:13
Speaker 1: But you have had an incident recently.
00:31:16
Speaker 5: I did.
00:31:17
Speaker 14: So I've had a few incidents. I did have one yesterday where a young man did come and took a brand new bunch of flowers that I'd just put out a couple of hours previous to that. And this one in particular did put money into the cash tin, but I did check it straight after he had left and he had paid with 20 cent coins and he put in about $ 2. 50. Oh, you're kidding. So, yes, I've had all sorts of tricks where some people take photographs of the banking details because I've got my pay ID and that on the wall. So they stand there and they sort of fiddle around with their phone a little bit and then they sort of nod and take the bunch, but I never get the payment. And then some just come with really sneaky tactics. I had a lady that came with a gigantic umbrella on a sunny day Big Bunnings umbrella, actually. And she knew exactly what she was doing and she looked where the camera was and then she just hid under the umbrella and she just took the honey and the flowers and ran.
00:32:20
Speaker 11: Oh.
00:32:22
Speaker 1: It's very disappointing. It is disappointing.
00:32:26
Speaker 14: It is really disappointing. And look, as much as it does leave you feeling really quite sick in the stomach, I have to say that... I focus on all of the wonderful customers and I've had return customers come weekly since March and I have some people that actually put more money in the tin sometimes because they don't have the correct money and they go, I'll just give you a 50 and those days absolutely make up for those very.
00:32:55
Speaker 5: Very few.
00:32:55
Speaker 14: I think I've only got about five or six recorded incidents of people actually stealing and yet I've got hundreds of beautiful customers.
00:33:03
Speaker 6: And you post on social media from time to time when these things occur. Do people get back in touch and say, oh, sorry, that was an accident. I thought I put the $ 20 in as well as the $ 2. 50 in coins or whatever it is. Is it regular that they'd get back in touch and say, apologies, I made a mistake?
00:33:22
Speaker 14: I'm actually really glad that you asked that because usually no. However, I do have one case where– Actually, it was a little bit sneaky. I just said, oh, if you know this person, could they get back in touch because you've left something behind? And a friend forwarded her the picture and she actually rang me the next day to say, what have I left behind? I'm really worried. And I said, well, you left my banking details and I would like you to pay for the flowers, please. And so her husband actually did transfer the money and did apologize. And then the case yesterday was very surprising, very quickly. I actually got a message from the boy's dad. And in this instance, the dad had spoken to the young man and said, get back there right now. And you go to that lady's door and you apologize and pay for those flowers. And that family, that dad, he actually has a road stall himself. So it was a very difficult conversation that I had with this young man last night, but I'm actually a school teacher every other day of the week. It's And it was a wonderful learning curve. And I actually really felt for this young man because he came to my door.
00:34:31
Speaker 5: He was very upset, very apologetic.
00:34:33
Speaker 14: He gave me a big hug. And I said, look, all's forgiven. But I said, look, I do this so that people can have beautiful flowers at a really reasonable cost. I actually do it to sell my excess dahlias through the dahlia season.
00:34:46
Speaker 5: But, yeah.
00:34:48
Speaker 14: And I think the first time I posted, it was really just to let people know it's a real camera. And if you step onto my property.
00:34:54
Speaker 7: Yeah.
00:34:55
Speaker 14: And if you want to take things, and I know that there are implications around that at times, but I'm very careful about it. But you do get tired of seeing people do the wrong thing at our road stalls.
00:35:06
Speaker 1: Well, Lisa, good on you for doing what you do, because I think it gives you faith that we live in a pretty amazing community, that there's a business model that can operate like this, despite the odd dropkick that comes and does the wrong thing. But by and large, people respect it and And what you do is just tremendous, I think. So good on you, Lisa. Lisa Angwin from Backyard Blooms. And everyone who runs these little roadside stalls in the equivalent, it's good on you as well.
00:35:27
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:35:28
Speaker 1: 5AA news time. Back in a moment.
00:35:32
Speaker 3: Knockdown.
00:35:33
Speaker 7: Bill 2.
00:35:33
Speaker 2: With Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes.
00:35:39
Speaker 4: They do it all for you.
00:35:41
Speaker 3: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
00:35:47
Speaker 1: Seven after seven, good morning to you, and welcome to Thursday if you're joining us for the very first time. The sun is up now, so we're going to get some nicer temperature. It was cold early, but 25 today, 29 tomorrow. It's going to get warm. Got temperature and weather on the brain states because, of course, we had a big shift in 5AA Breakfast. The Weather Bureau are now coming up at 7.25 this morning, and on that measure, Ben Jordan's corrected me, and I think in the process, Robb. for suggesting that I could make my own weather app now that I'm doing it at 6.45.
00:36:15
Speaker 6: If you missed it at 6.45, make sure you tune in tomorrow because Will does his own weather accompanied by music and tomorrow a dance.
00:36:24
Speaker 1: Now, I haven't promised that, but I said I could do a bomb weather app for $ 65 million. Ben Jordan's correct there. He says the app was actually $ 96 million.
00:36:35
Speaker 4: Oh, great.
00:36:36
Speaker 1: But that's my commitment to the taxpayer in these frugal, these austere times. I'll do it for $ 31 million less than the Bureau.
00:36:44
Speaker 4: That's generous of you. Thank you.
00:36:45
Speaker 1: That is generous. We need to be generous at the moment. The Reserve Bank are going to whack everyone with a mortgage on Melbourne Cup Day. Inflation yesterday. There were no good numbers. Headline 4.3%. We knew that was going to happen.
00:36:58
Speaker 11: Yeah.
00:37:00
Speaker 1: Even Trim Mean, which is the one that trims out all the big stuff, was still at around 3.6, well above the 2% to 3% target. All the forecasting says it's not coming down anytime soon. Cobbworth Bank, ANZ, Westpac, NAB, they're all saying there's going to be a rate rise now on Melbourne Cup Day. Ben Jordan, speaking of Ben, and he's excellent at correcting of my costings, I was having a chat with him last night. He sent me a message, and we've touched on this on the program previously, but I think It is worth flagging here. There are all manner of things that we say that are easy to point out and say and difficult to do yourself. Like getting eight hours sleep overnight is important. We all say it. If you have a partner who's not getting enough sleep, you'll say it to them. How often do you do it? Healthy eating's like this too, getting enough exercise. Drinking enough water. Telling people to spend less is easy to say, even for the Reserve Bank governor. Senior manager salaries at the RBA from June 2024 to June 2026 have increased from $ 71 million to $ 103 million. In the space of two years, that's a 45% increase. Inflationary? I'm assuming.
00:38:16
Speaker 4: They don't have mortgages either. Bless you.
00:38:20
Speaker 1: Excuse me.
00:38:21
Speaker 4: They're not paying rent.
00:38:22
Speaker 1: I would assume not. This is a massive assumption. Maybe not in their primary property. They're all doing well. And no, in isolation, that amount of money is not inflationary in Australia. But it does speak to the issue that everyone has if you're employing people, negotiating EBAs, running a government. It's very easy to say we should be spending less, but the people who are in charge of saying it the strongest and have their hands on the lever are finding it difficult, even themselves, in running the RBA. I think it's just an interesting little data point to mark in the context of what is going to be another rate rise that's going to crush people that are already on the edge Tuesday next week.
00:38:57
Speaker 6: Heading into Christmas, heading into the new year period, school holidays. And I know all of this stuff, as we've mentioned, gets taken out of the trimmed mean, all of that sort of seasonal things that you have to spend money on. But it doesn't help families going into this busy time of year where a lot of people are forced to take leave from work because of a shutdown period. And a lot of kids are on school holidays and you can't stay at home every single day of school holidays.
00:39:22
Speaker 4: Otherwise, you'll all go crazy together.
00:39:24
Speaker 6: It's a time where people are inherently forced to spend more money right now. and we're about to be hit again. And I don't know about you, but the first person I thought to blame, the first people I thought to blame yesterday when I heard the inflation figure was governments, different levels of governments who tell us to stop spending money, yet they refuse to do so.
00:39:47
Speaker 1: This is the quandary. And everyone always says, why does the RBA do this? Well, the RBAs just do it. They're only meant to be a small part of the formula that is controlling inflation. The big part's meant to be government. They don't do it because the things you have to do are unpopular. Unpopular. Inevitably, you're going to have to cut funding to things that on merit are good. That's called budget discipline and restraint. Pauline Hanson was having a crack at the government spending yesterday as well.
00:40:12
Speaker 17: I wish that you, the media, would question this current government at the moment. What is inflationary is the amount of money that they're putting into our economics. That's what's inflationary.
00:40:25
Speaker 1: Into the economics. You didn't quite nail the line, but we nailed the sentiment. You know who nailed the line yesterday? Tom Koutsotonis. He was talking about the Adelaide City Council's motion to ban gas and oil advertising and potentially imperiling events like the tour down under village and uh the bp uh grand final have a listen i think it is probably the most reprehensible decision i've seen council make.
00:40:49
Speaker 15: And they they are giving it a shake they are giving it a.
00:40:52
Speaker 3: Shake right i've seen i have seen turkeys vote for christmas.
00:40:56
Speaker 1: Turkeys vote for christmas which i thought was great um That's nailing the line. Matt Abraham after 7.30, by the way. We'll work out the week's biggest louver a little bit later. I can tell you who might be the week's biggest loser, and it's this person that's been running around stalking our MPs. Ella Shaw, the member for Elizabeth, is one of those. Ella, good morning to you.
00:41:20
Speaker 14: Good morning, Will.
00:41:20
Speaker 5: How are you going?
00:41:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, this is, you know, in the context of Helen Haynes and our now, I think, appropriate and renewed interest in MP safety. This is a pretty terrifying situation you've been through.
00:41:34
Speaker 5: Yeah, and look, what happened to Helen was horrendous, and obviously my thoughts are with her and her family. But yeah, this type of behaviour, it's incredibly frustrating to be existing in this current climate, but just incredibly frustrating for anyone and for the safety of community members that I represent as well.
00:41:51
Speaker 6: So a man has been charged over allegedly stalking yourself and your colleague, Lucy Hood.
00:41:59
Speaker 4: Can you tell us what happened in your case? How was this occurring?
00:42:05
Speaker 16: Yeah, of course, Stacey.
00:42:06
Speaker 5: So I recently attended a community event. I had received many messages from this person from March onwards, so before I was elected, and these messages were, you know, inappropriate and unwanted messages. And I didn't respond once they became inappropriate. And then they were just quite consistent. And this person would come into my electorate office on many occasions looking to see me. And then at a public event, he was waiting for me and followed me back to my car. It was quite late at night.
00:42:43
Speaker 16: It was about 10.30.
00:42:44
Speaker 5: So, yeah, it was quite unsettling.
00:42:47
Speaker 8: Oh.
00:42:48
Speaker 1: That would be. Can I ask you, Ella, was it politically charged or did this person, did you get a sense they just developed a fixation for indeterminate reasons?
00:42:59
Speaker 5: Look, he made comments about Labor women in particular. And so when he made that comment, that sort of sparked something in me to have a conversation. And I then found out that similar things had been happening to Lucy in the past. But I don't think that it was politically charged. The reason why I reported it was because I don't want any other young worker that is in the vicinity, perhaps a dealer to the sender, maybe it's the local foster pastor. I don't want any young worker to be followed back to their car. So you do have to wonder whether it is going to occur to someone else, and that's why I wanted to make sure that I reported it.
00:43:40
Speaker 4: It just feels... That would feel, to me, that would feel really unsettling.
00:43:45
Speaker 6: And if you can't even walk to your car without someone following you, you don't know what their intentions are, you don't know them, you don't know how politically charged.
00:43:53
Speaker 4: It may or may not be, I would feel very uncomfortable with that. Are you okay? Are you doing okay?
00:44:00
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I definitely am. And I feel really supported, not only by my colleagues and my team, but really supported by my local police station. They did an excellent job and acted immediately.
00:44:09
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just, It's terrifying.
00:44:12
Speaker 1: And I think it's important, these things get spoken about and talked about. I think as a community, I think we need to take a stand on this. Ella, thank you. Ella Shaw, the member for Elizabeth. And your fear is, you know, we say disparaging things about politicians and, you know, we're right to hold them to account and be critical of people that are writing laws and spending their money. But I wonder how many people hear that, read that story in the Tizer this morning. How many people do we lose? To politics. And people go, you know what? I could do something else.
00:44:39
Speaker 7: Yep.
00:44:39
Speaker 1: I don't need to do this. Potentially really talented people too that have options.
00:44:43
Speaker 4: I think I said the man's been charged. He hasn't. He's been issued with a stalking caution.
00:44:47
Speaker 15: Okay.
00:44:48
Speaker 6: And this text from Judith that we received today sums it up. Australia is much less safe for everyone, especially women.
00:44:55
Speaker 1: It feels that way. Yeah, absolutely.
00:44:56
Speaker 4: It definitely feels that way, Judith, unfortunately.
00:44:58
Speaker 1: I apologise to all the texters for saying lever as well. Stuart says, did you grow up watching Sesame Street? Can I actually tell you, it's flying high too. There's a quotable line that William Shatner issues in that movie where he says, pull another lever. And it gets said so often in my household by me that I've lost track of which is the correct pronunciation. So blame William Shatner and Flying High 2. All right, we're going to check.
00:45:20
Speaker 4: As well as Sesame Street.
00:45:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, that one too. Let's check traffic. Beautiful Noise, the Neil Niven musical, is coming to Adelaide in May. Join the wait list now.
00:45:29
Speaker 2: Knockdown, Bill 2, with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
00:45:37
Speaker 3: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
00:45:41
Speaker 1: 22 minutes after seven. We kind of hoped and imagined that there would be times and opportunities where we'd get to cross to our Spanish correspondent David Penberthy in Spain because there'd been some sort of food-related international disaster or some sort of slightly comedic international disturbance. That's not the case this morning. There is an absolute tragedy that's unfolded in that part of the world that you can hear a lot about in your news services right across the day. At least 68 people have been killed in a high-speed train crash that is the second significant train crash in quick succession in Spain. How in the hell this can happen in 2026 is anyone's guess. But let's cross to our Spanish correspondent, David Penberthy. Benbo, mate, good to chat with you. Good morning.
00:46:31
Speaker 18: Yeah, great to hear your voice, Will, and you too, Stace. It's a pretty dark old day in Spain, though. And as you rightly said, Will, in January this year, down south, not far from here in the Cadiz area, 46 people died. And this morning, this shocking collision, yet again, another high-speed collision between two of these trains that travel at extraordinary speeds. And, you know, I think the thing is, to put it in a South Australian context, train travel in Spain is not a novelty.
00:47:07
Speaker 7: It's not like.
00:47:10
Speaker 18: When you're a student, you catch the overland in Melbourne with some mates or maybe you use the overland occasionally if you're a pensioner. It's not like going on a trip of a lifetime on the Gann or something. Train travel is the way people get around here. Millions and millions of people use the trains and it's totally shocked Spain to the core. We were at soccer training tonight with the kids and It was the only thing parents were talking about. There was one couple we spoke to who were going to go to Barcelona next week on the train. They've cancelled it. They're going to fly instead. And, you know, the country is so train dependent because there's so many cities that aren't sort of far enough where you need to fly, meaning that there's not a sort of very well-connected domestic airline service like we've got in Australia. So, you know, the, the routes that we're talking about, um, these are, these are routes that the, the town of Toledo, which is the former capital of Spain, where the, where the, um, the, the collision occurred. Um, I've been through there since we've been here in the short time we've been here, we would have been on like 15 train trips. We're meant to be going on a train trip next Friday. And it's just the way you get around. Like it's not It's not a unique thing, like everybody catches the train.
00:48:38
Speaker 1: We're watching on the live stream at the moment. They're high-quality trains, aren't they? For people that are trying to picture in their head, these are pretty sophisticated pieces of technology.
00:48:45
Speaker 7: This is sort of Japan-level sort of stuff.
00:48:50
Speaker 18: The physics of these trains, the first time I caught one, I was just marvelling at the shape of it because.
00:48:57
Speaker 7: They travel so fast.
00:48:58
Speaker 18: They reach speeds of up to 300 kilometres an hour, and they're also 150 kilometres. 150 meters long. So when you arrive at the train station to, to, to board the train, you're sort of looking down the, the, the platform and you can't even see the end of the train They're that long. And they've got these incredible sort of aerodynamic noses.
00:49:22
Speaker 7: They almost look like a basking shark.
00:49:24
Speaker 18: Like they've got this flat, low sort of 20-degree angle nose on them because they travel so fast. And this is where the physics of what happened this morning are so horrible because– In a nutshell, what happened, there were two trains, both left Madrid, both heading to Seville. The first train left at 7.54 a.m. It was a privately operated train owned by an Italian company called Irio. So that train left Madrid at 7.54. At 8 a.m., the Spanish state-owned Renfe train left for Seville, traveling behind the Irio train. Now, for some reason, there was a signal failure and the Italian train stopped. And back in Atocha, which is the main railway station in Madrid, it sounds like there was some sort of cock up there in the control room where they didn't realise that the Italian train had stopped. And they said to the Renfe train, no, no, it's all clear. You keep going and go as fast as you want because this is how the train's like get you from A to B in record time.
00:50:39
Speaker 14: Yeah.
00:50:39
Speaker 18: So this train was probably doing between, it was probably doing at least 200 kilometres an hour.
00:50:45
Speaker 7: Gee.
00:50:47
Speaker 18: And collectively we're talking about more than 500 passengers on these two trains and it just went straight up the backside of the other train.
00:50:56
Speaker 11: Oh.
00:50:57
Speaker 7: It's just shocking.
00:50:59
Speaker 18: And the scale of it is such that collectively from those poor 500 sailors who were on the trains, you know, we're talking now about with 68 confirmed deaths, another 150 in hospital, and at least 15 of them touch and go critical, you know, every fifth person who was on the train is either dead or is going to suffer life-altering injuries. So just a shocking, shocking debacle. And you know, hot on the heels of what happened in January, people are really sort of scratching their heads about, A, the management of it, B, the fact that as Spain becomes such an increasingly visited country, the number of trains using the same system has grown so much. You know, you've got not just Irio, but you've got a French company called Wego, which I've travelled on as well. They're all using the same network. And given how reliant the people of Spain and also the people who visit Spain, like us.
00:52:12
Speaker 7: Are on.
00:52:12
Speaker 18: I mean, we've got another five train trips booked between now and December 28 when we leave. I mean, when Soph left at the end of our six weeks when we were all here together, me and Jim jumped on the train to Madrid, went through Toledo, had a couple of great nights there. When Jim left after his Contiki tour, I went up on the train to Madrid, saw him there, caught the train back the next day. Like, it's such a great, great, great way to travel.
00:52:40
Speaker 7: Like, it's so nice.
00:52:41
Speaker 18: It's comfortable. The seats are nice and spread out. Like, everyone has access to it.
00:52:47
Speaker 1: It's affordable.
00:52:48
Speaker 7: It's convivial.
00:52:50
Speaker 18: But the system is under so much pressure. And, you know, there's been too much of this. And it's almost a bit like the– costa concordia where it sounds like like people are going to go to jail over this i think yeah like what happened today was that was an avoidable mess cock up and people are gonna really be sent to the wall by it because you know in spain people are just.
00:53:20
Speaker 1: So distressed about it it's just terrible yeah just awful um Nice to hear your voice, mate. A few texts that are saying the same thing as well.
00:53:29
Speaker 7: No, great to hear your voices too. And good to hear you're enjoying the rest of it. As much as we are having fun. Yeah, no, we are. We're loving it.
00:53:35
Speaker 18: I mean, you know, even talking about things like going to soccer practice tonight with the kids, you know, life's sort of, weirdly enough, it's sort of taken on a bit of a normality.
00:53:43
Speaker 7: But equally, you know, I'll be happy to.
00:53:46
Speaker 18: Step foot back on Adelaide soil and to, you know, also step foot back on Highmarsh Square soil.
00:53:53
Speaker 7: In late January with you guys. All right.
00:53:56
Speaker 1: Well, you look after yourself, mate, and we'll see you in a few months.
00:53:59
Speaker 7: You too, guys.
00:53:59
Speaker 4: Enjoy the rest of it.
00:54:00
Speaker 7: Okay, good on you. Yeah, cheers, guys.
00:54:05
Speaker 2: Knockdown, Bill 2, with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
00:54:13
Speaker 3: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
00:54:17
Speaker 1: 19 minutes to 8. Let's get straight into it with Matt Abraham.
00:54:22
Speaker 11: This is Democracy Manifest.
00:54:30
Speaker 1: You're eating the dogs.
00:54:32
Speaker 12: I tell you what, any boss who sacks anyone for not standing up today is a bum.
00:54:37
Speaker 19: Matt.
00:54:40
Speaker 1: Enjoy your outdoor area all year round with an opening and closing roof designed, manufactured and installed locally by Loover House. Matt Abraham, good morning to you.
00:54:47
Speaker 14: Morning, Will.
00:54:48
Speaker 1: Good morning, Stacey.
00:54:48
Speaker 4: Morning, Matt.
00:54:50
Speaker 1: Is this the first proper scandal of the Malinowskis government? Oh, yeah.
00:54:54
Speaker 7: Yeah.
00:54:55
Speaker 19: The first decent scandal.
00:54:57
Speaker 16: Yeah.
00:54:57
Speaker 1: It is, isn't it?
00:54:58
Speaker 19: Probably the first scandal, actually.
00:54:59
Speaker 11: Yeah.
00:55:00
Speaker 4: Depends on your definition.
00:55:02
Speaker 6: I mean, maybe promising to do something huge like fix ramping and not doing it.
00:55:05
Speaker 12: Oh, sure.
00:55:06
Speaker 4: Could be. But this is sort of different to that.
00:55:08
Speaker 1: Isn't it?
00:55:09
Speaker 19: But they can manage that. That's when they're able to manage and they expect the hits on that. This is one of those where you're playing whack-a-mole with information coming up and you're trying to hit it with a little hammer. I just want to read this. This is the start of the editorial, I think written by Gemma Jones, editor of The Advertiser, a couple of days ago. A case of Alice in Dunderland in a very sorry saga. This is how it starts. I won't read the whole lot out. If you were called to a meeting at work and a lawyer guest regaled you with shocking revelations his client's home had been shot up with his elderly mother and young daughter inside and the business firebombed, and all because he had a government contract with the most expensive infrastructure project in the state's history, what would you do? Would you tell your boss? Would you tell the police?
00:56:01
Speaker 1: Both even.
00:56:01
Speaker 19: Or would you tell no one and wait for a more junior colleague in the meeting to run this alarming interaction up the flagpole where it then remained ignored for more than a month until it was revealed in the Sunday Mail and the Advertiser. That's how the editorial starts, which poses all the questions floating around about this. The minister involved was, of course, Child Protection Minister Alice Rowles. The staffer was Daniel Wills, former political writer, very good one, journo, who's Chief of Staff to Transport Minister Joe Sockax. And it was left to him– at this meeting to take on board allegations that possibly bikies were involved in taking over this labour hire business and that's the basis of a court case which is being disputed by those involved so that's being you know it's going to be defended they're going to defend themselves against the allegations now that's just then rolled out across the political landscape and as you were saying earlier, it comes down to some of those basic questions, you know, who knew what when.
00:57:15
Speaker 6: And we can't get answers to them for some reason.
00:57:17
Speaker 19: The answers are tricky.
00:57:18
Speaker 7: It keeps shifting.
00:57:20
Speaker 19: Some quite remarkable things being said. As they've tried to defend themselves, I noticed, first of all, they threw Joe Suckax, threw Daniel Wills under the bus, but now the Premier's sort of pulling him out from under the bus and dusting him off and checking that he's only got a few bruises.
00:57:36
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:57:37
Speaker 19: Because, you know, the buck in the Westminster system, the buck is supposed to stop with the minister and the ultimate buck stops with, you know, the premier or the prime minister. That's how it works in the Westminster system because you're meant to have systems in place. Why didn't anyone tell the premier? Particularly, well, why didn't Alice Rowles tell the premier? Well, she convened the meeting with the prime Mr Camerano's lawyer, he's the aggrieved party in this, who says his car wash business was firebombed, he had shots fired at his house, and he's linked that to what he says, what he alleges is bikey involvement in his, or a bikey takeover effectively, or hostile takeover, I suppose, of his labour hire business, which is a very big business providing labour to the tunnel project, the T2D. So, You've got a lot of elements here. You know, the word bikey, that usually brings up a red flag.
00:58:43
Speaker 11: Yep.
00:58:44
Speaker 19: The tunnel project, the biggest infrastructure project, as we keep being told in, you know, since the Romans started laying roads, $ 15. 6 billion. You know, how many, you know, you can't get a shovel down the tunnels with tripping over local MPs who are parading at Labor MPs. So this is a huge thing. It just beggars belief to me.
00:59:06
Speaker 1: I think it's impossible to conclude anything other than this looks like a totally complacent government that's just six months removed from, well, seven months removed from a crushing electoral victory. Because if your own political mortality was front of mind, let's talk about the horse gold self-interest for a moment, I think you would be acutely aware that this precise set of circumstances brought down, is about to bring down a government in Victoria. Yeah, exactly. This should have been DEFCON 1 for self-interest.
00:59:34
Speaker 19: Do they read the papers? Are they interested in what's happening in the Labor Party in Victoria and the organised crime links to siphoned off billions, not millions, but billions from the big build project over there? And it beggars belief also that there is not some element of organised crime involved or somehow have got their fingers into this project.
00:59:57
Speaker 7: Absolutely.
00:59:57
Speaker 14: Yeah.
00:59:58
Speaker 19: I'm not talking about this case. This case has to be decided by a judge. It's a court case. We don't know where this will go. We don't know where these allegations will end up. We don't know whether they'll be proven or disproved. We don't know that yet. That's not for us to decide. It's almost immaterial.
01:00:14
Speaker 7: Isn't it?
01:00:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.
01:00:17
Speaker 6: What is relevant is the response at different levels of government, whether it's a staffer, whether it's the minister, another minister, the premier, and it just feels... From what we're being told, it feels like at every level there wasn't really a sense of urgency. There was no one saying– those alarm bells that you mentioned, they were not ringing. No one even spoke to police.
01:00:39
Speaker 7: That's right.
01:00:40
Speaker 6: They found out about this car bombing and they didn't think to say, all right, we know police are investigating– sorry, firebombing. We know police are investigating that separately. Do police potentially know about the link, the alleged link, between the firebombing and the TDD? Maybe someone– should let police know. Maybe they do know, but it's incumbent on every South Australian when a crime is being committed, we get told by SAPOL.
01:01:05
Speaker 1: Take it to the police.
01:01:06
Speaker 4: Take it to the police. Let us know.
01:01:07
Speaker 6: We are seeking more information on this. If you have any information, no matter how big or small, let us know.
01:01:11
Speaker 7: Exactly.
01:01:12
Speaker 4: People in government had information, big, not small, and didn't tell police.
01:01:16
Speaker 1: Exactly.
01:01:17
Speaker 19: Well, the excuse is that the lawyer said that they'd already reported this to police, that they'd put this to police. But Joe Sockash in Parliament... Yeah. He said he had nothing to pass on to the South Australian police because MPs, this is as reported in the Tizer, should not become a clearinghouse for members of the public to make.
01:01:38
Speaker 1: Reports to the police. Well, really, Joe? What?
01:01:43
Speaker 11: So.
01:01:45
Speaker 19: If there's a case of domestic violence threat and a mum comes in with her little kids to the MP's office and says, what do I do? I need help. You just say to them, we're not a clearinghouse.
01:01:55
Speaker 7: Would you say that? No, you wouldn't, Jo.
01:01:56
Speaker 19: I don't bloody think so. You'd say, well, let's get going on this. We'll ring up. The other thing you've got to ask yourself, let's say in an alternate universe, Peter Malinowskis was told. Let's say he was told. He says he wasn't. We have to take his word for that. But let's say he was told. Let's say Alice Rowles, who I'm told is Mrs. Bellowskis' one of her besties, good friends with her, has been for a long time, both lawyers. Let's just say that she picked up the phone and thought, I reckon I ought to tell Pete this and bring him up. Oh, Pete, this is what I heard. What would the Premier have done? Let's say either Joe or Daniel Wills or Alice had rung the Premier and said, we just had a meeting in Alice's office. This is what the lawyer said. The allegation is that there's bike involvement in the tour. Sorry, not tour down under. T2D project.
01:02:58
Speaker 4: Not TDU, but T2D.
01:02:59
Speaker 19: The tunnel project.
01:03:00
Speaker 1: Come on, get your T's right.
01:03:01
Speaker 19: In the tunnel project. What would the Premier have done? What if he had said, oh, well. MPs' officers aren't clearinghouse for police reports. He would have, or would he have, picked up the phone to Grant Stevens and said, Grant, mate, I know you're in the middle of packing your bags, don't want to stop your shift to Government House, but this is what we're... Are you looking into this? Are you across this? Have you got your heads up on it? I reckon he would have done that.
01:03:30
Speaker 6: Well, we know he didn't, and I have more about that in Breaking at Eight in a few minutes' time. But the Premier came in here in this studio on Monday and said he hasn't spoken to police and if he knew of a suspicion of a crime, then he would have spoken to police.
01:03:47
Speaker 4: But he wasn't aware of any crimes.
01:03:49
Speaker 1: The history of this government media strategy wise would lead you to believe that if that had happened, they would have come out and said, they would have made a virtue of finding this person and said, we have no tolerance for criminality on the tour. We found this person. We won't stand for it. And we're going to stamp it out and root it out. And we're going to do X, Y, Z to make sure it's happening. We've already done this. And this is working beautifully as opposed to the minister coming out saying, Oh, I read it in the Sunday mail.
01:04:12
Speaker 10: I think.
01:04:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.
01:04:15
Speaker 19: I'm up to speed now.
01:04:16
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:04:16
Speaker 19: Um, And this is Abraham ancient history, I know. But Mike ran in opposition for eight years, eight years, banged on about bikies.
01:04:28
Speaker 7: Eight years.
01:04:29
Speaker 19: He never stopped talking about bikies and I'm declaring war on bikies. If I'm elected, bikies won't get a foothold in South Australia. That was his mantra. You know, there may be, there's no one in the current, government who was born back then or remembers it. It's not that long ago. But, you know, bikies are a red flag to government and nothing happened. And the other mystery to me is ICAC Commissioner Emma Townsend, is she investigating it? She says she's doing an evaluation.
01:05:00
Speaker 1: No, it's an evaluation. In fact, they've sent out advice. It's not an investigation.
01:05:04
Speaker 19: It's not an investigation.
01:05:05
Speaker 1: Really?
01:05:06
Speaker 19: Are we allowed to talk about it?
01:05:08
Speaker 1: Yes, we are. That's the distinction. If it's investigation, we can't.
01:05:11
Speaker 19: Oh, so it's an evaluation.
01:05:13
Speaker 1: Evaluation, we can.
01:05:14
Speaker 7: Oh, that's excellent.
01:05:14
Speaker 6: So it also means if any minister or anyone in government says, we can't talk about it, ICAC's looking into it, that's wrong.
01:05:20
Speaker 4: They can because it's an evaluation, not an investigation. It's an evaluation.
01:05:22
Speaker 19: I assume there'd need to be some investigating as part of an evaluation, but I don't want to say that.
01:05:27
Speaker 1: No, please don't. That ends our ability to talk about it. We're going to take a break. We'll check traffic and we're at the biggest louver in just a moment. A beautiful noise. The Neil Diamond musical is coming to Adelaide in May. Join the wait list now.
01:05:41
Speaker 3: Knockdown.
01:05:42
Speaker 2: Bill 2. With Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes. They do it all for you.
01:05:49
Speaker 3: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
01:05:55
Speaker 1: Four minutes to wait. Loop, a rich environment at the moment. Politics both right around the world, it sort of feels like.
01:06:01
Speaker 19: There is now Donald Trump. Barack Obama, former US president, gave a cracking campaign speech on the stumps for the Democrats. And he said, what is it with all the gold, all the gold sort of at the White House?
01:06:16
Speaker 1: What is it?
01:06:17
Speaker 19: Is he a home decorator? And it looks like the Cheesecake Factory, which is like apparently some gaudy sort of cheesecake shop outlet in the US. And this really got up Donald Trump's nose.
01:06:31
Speaker 11: Guys like Obama don't see it. You don't see dirt. He doesn't see filth. He doesn't see broken ornaments on a building. The White House to President Obama is a symbol of America. It has to be clean. The columns can't be broken. The bricks can't be falling off from under the plaster. And for you to say it's a cheesecake factory, that just shows why you were a lousy president.
01:07:02
Speaker 1: Now, that hit him where it hurt.
01:07:04
Speaker 19: He did.
01:07:04
Speaker 1: Isn't this the guy building a ballroom?
01:07:06
Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:07:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is bigger than the White House. Obama said it was like Saddam Hussein had taken over the cheesecake factory.
01:07:17
Speaker 19: Very, very, very solid. Eight out of ten for a cranky Trump.
01:07:21
Speaker 9: Yeah, Matt.
01:07:23
Speaker 7: Eight out of ten louvers.
01:07:24
Speaker 19: Now, this is back domestically, though, and, of course, we've got the MotoGP, which is going to transform our lives. I did learn, by the way, that there was an attempt to move it from Phillip Island to Albert Park, the Formula One track, but that was rejected on noise and environment grounds.
01:07:42
Speaker 11: Yes.
01:07:42
Speaker 1: So we're not alone.
01:07:43
Speaker 6: We've had the former Victorian Events Minister on and he said, no, we didn't want to impact Albert Park.
01:07:48
Speaker 1: We didn't want to remove so many trees. Funny.
01:07:51
Speaker 3: Funny.
01:07:52
Speaker 19: He must be one of those greenies. Must be one of those greenies. But don't worry about it if you don't like it because Minister Nick Champion has got it all sorted for you.
01:08:02
Speaker 20: When this race occurs, it'll be a great rallying moment for South Australia and you won't be able to find anybody who doesn't like it. Or if you do, they'll probably just go away for the racist period and, you know, they might go on holiday for that period.
01:08:16
Speaker 19: Yeah, that's... That's.
01:08:19
Speaker 1: How it works. If you don't like it, we'll just go on holidays.
01:08:25
Speaker 19: Maybe go and look at Trump's White House or something.
01:08:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, go overseas.
01:08:31
Speaker 19: Champs, you're getting a big nine out of ten.
01:08:34
Speaker 12: Oh, there it is.
01:08:35
Speaker 11: Matt.
01:08:35
Speaker 7: I just stayed at Big Four in.
01:08:37
Speaker 19: Aravind Park at West Beach.
01:08:38
Speaker 7: I don't know. He's the biggest louver this week.
01:08:42
Speaker 1: Nick Champion, congratulations to you. I think it's his first biggest louver nom as well. I have to show restraint.
01:08:48
Speaker 7: Yes.
01:08:50
Speaker 1: We should have a dinner at the end of the year.
01:08:52
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:08:53
Speaker 1: With all the louvers. The daily louver winners. So Nick Champion and Donald Trump can be on the same table and, you know. some of the others that have made it.
01:09:01
Speaker 19: And be a meeting of the minds.
01:09:03
Speaker 1: Well, they're both property developers. Yeah, that's right.
01:09:08
Speaker 7: That's right.
01:09:08
Speaker 1: All right. Thank you, Matt.
01:09:11
Speaker 14: Pleasure.
01:09:11
Speaker 1: 5.9 News on the way. Breaking 8 next.
01:09:17
Speaker 2: Knock down, build two with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it.
01:09:24
Speaker 3: All for you. Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
01:09:30
Speaker 1: Nine minutes after eight, breaking eight, coming up in just a moment. As you've heard in 5AA news right throughout the morning, big story out of Furl where there has been a fatal shooting where police discharged a firearm, a gun, First aid was rendered, but the woman who died at the scene, we have spoken and have been speaking off air this morning with a neighbour who heard the whole thing unfold. That neighbour is going to join us after 8.30 this morning. So a first-hand account of this very scary scenario. Police officers suffered minor injuries in the incident. There was an axe involved. Living next door must have been quite a terrifying situation. So you'll hear from someone who lived through that in the early hours of this morning after 8.30 today. Now, in much happier news, we have Robbie Williams tickets to give away.
01:10:15
Speaker 7: We do.
01:10:15
Speaker 1: This has been great fun giving these away because people rise to the occasion of winning these fantastic tickets. $ 500 worth of Robbie Williams action. These aren't just, you know, bleacher tickets. This is good quality stuff. And this morning, I think we can have a little bit of fun with our creativity. That's all I'm going to say at this point in time. But if you'd like, stay listening if you want to get along to see Robbie Williams because the chance to win those tickets is coming up on the other side of breaking it open.
01:10:45
Speaker 6: Well, we were just talking with Matt for The Biggest Louver about this, as you rightly put, Will, probably the first scandal of the Malinowskis government proper. And to me, the hardest part to get my head around about this is why it has been so hard to get questions answered about who, you, what and when. And these are pretty easy questions to answer unless you don't want people knowing the answer.
01:11:14
Speaker 11: Mm.
01:11:14
Speaker 6: And that is how it is increasingly feeling when it comes to the answers that we're getting from different ministers and the Premier himself. Because we're not getting straight answers on pretty simple questions. And when we are getting answers, they don't align with other people's answers.
01:11:30
Speaker 7: So.
01:11:32
Speaker 6: What we know, and we spoke about it with Matt earlier, so I won't go into the full detail, but there was this meeting with Alice Rolls, Joe Sockarch's chief of staff, and the lawyer for the man who owned Career Boss, who was alleging bikeys.
01:11:48
Speaker 4: Were trying to muscle in on his business. During that meeting.
01:11:52
Speaker 6: Alice Rolls and Dan Wills were told about alleged crimes, well, crimes that had occurred that were allegedly linked, including the wash on Unley Road, a car wash being firebombed and this man's house being shot at. So they were told about crimes that happened. The crimes happened, but we don't know how they happened. They were told about that and no one told police. No one in government, including the Premier, told police. And on Monday, we had this exchange with him. So you haven't made a call to police about this?
01:12:26
Speaker 8: No.
01:12:26
Speaker 4: To ask them to investigate?
01:12:28
Speaker 15: No.
01:12:28
Speaker 1: Okay.
01:12:29
Speaker 4: We have a text here from Anthony. I can't go to South Australian police unless I've got evidence of a crime being committed.
01:12:36
Speaker 1: What are we going to ICAC to do?
01:12:38
Speaker 6: Well, you could ask them to investigate if you have a suspicion of a crime being committed.
01:12:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't.
01:12:43
Speaker 16: Right.
01:12:43
Speaker 4: You don't have a suspicion at all of any crime being committed?
01:12:46
Speaker 1: Well, if I did, I would report it to police.
01:12:47
Speaker 7: Okay.
01:12:48
Speaker 11: All right.
01:12:48
Speaker 4: That's good to clarify. So that was on Monday.
01:12:51
Speaker 6: He said he didn't have a suspicion of a crime being committed, and if I did, I would report it to police. Yesterday, he was asked four times by Channel 7's Michaela Kamarik during a press conference when he found out about those crimes that were committed, and eventually he gave this answer.
01:13:09
Speaker 17: When did you find out that it was linked?
01:13:12
Speaker 1: Over the course of the weekend.
01:13:16
Speaker 4: Over the weekend.
01:13:17
Speaker 6: So when he spoke to us on Monday, if what he's told Michaela there, he found out about the links between the fire bombings at the car wash and this career boss saga, he found out about the links on the weekend.
01:13:29
Speaker 4: So he knew about crimes being committed on the weekend. Now, he has.
01:13:34
Speaker 6: Gone on to say that during that meeting with This guy's lawyer said he had told police, so it wasn't incumbent on his ministers to tell police because they thought police already knew. But police held a press conference about this where they mentioned the fire bombings and they asked anyone with any information to come forward. As a South Australian public, when we hear that from police and we think.
01:13:56
Speaker 1: They say it after every major press conference.
01:13:58
Speaker 6: It's on the bottom of every media release they send out. It's in every police story. Call this number, call Crimestoppers. Any more information could help us. There were two ministers and one premier who knew about crimes being committed and did not tell police.
01:14:13
Speaker 4: And I'm asking why.
01:14:13
Speaker 6: Because as South Australians, if we find out about a crime, we are being told to tell police. Why did no one in government tell police? They're saying they think it's because police were already investigating. Well, they were told police were already investigating. But you don't know what police are investigating and whether police had linked the two between the firebombings and the T2D saga. We don't know that. Maybe police had already made that link. But shouldn't the Premier and these ministers have, out of an abundance of caution, mentioned.
01:14:41
Speaker 4: It to SAPOL?
01:14:43
Speaker 1: Well, I think Matt's characterisation is spot on, where if they had been on high alert, as I think every South Australian taxpayer would imagine the state government would have been, for bikey or organised crime infiltration onto the Torrance to Darlington project, a call would have been made to the Police Commission to get a handle on, well, well, this is what we're being told. What do you understand the risks to be? Where's the state of the investigation? Where are we at with this? This is the thing we've been dreading happening. Not even an exploratory conversation. It's going to bring down a government in Victoria. And this is where I think the story's going to go from here. Because if there's any other, any other low-level criminal who's operating a drill on the Torrens to Darlington project, it's going to look like the state government was asleep at the wheel. They didn't have their finger on the pulse and really were kind of, even when they got told about it, couldn't be motivated to do anything about it, which is staggering.
01:15:42
Speaker 6: So now we know you had two ministers and the Premier knew on the weekend about these crimes and no one's mentioned it to St Paul.
01:15:55
Speaker 1: It might inspire your naming for our Robbie Williams ticket giveaway this morning. We are in... We're in the spring carnival horse racing season at the moment. The advertiser this morning has done this very excellent page six and seven, almost Melbourne Cup sweep style lift out with regard to all the Reserve Bank's rate rise that's going to happen on Melbourne Cup day where they have basically named everyone who's contributed or been involved in this story and given them a horse. Uh, and so there's a sort of a suite where you've got Albo riding big spender, for example. Uh, you've got, uh, Tom Kudzitonis riding turbo Tom.
01:16:36
Speaker 4: Um, uh, Donald Trump's riding big orange, big orange, uh, Donald.
01:16:41
Speaker 1: Trump, uh, Amanda Richworth's riding out of office because of a championing of, uh, right to disconnect and work from home, uh, styles, uh, style laws. Um, Pauline Hanson's writing Please Explain, her famous quote, Please Explain. The Jim Reaper I like, Jim Chalmers' horse. They're excellent. So we thought we'd ask you this morning to name a horse. Your inspiration doesn't need to be the Reserve Bank. It doesn't need to be politics. It could be, but what's your horse name? Name a horse.
01:17:09
Speaker 4: Name a horse.
01:17:10
Speaker 1: What are you coming up with? It might have something to do with you. It might be in the news cycle. It might just sound silly. However you come up with it, whatever it is, Be creative, and we might have, we're going to have Robbie Williams tickets for someone who contributes a horse name for us this morning. So inspired by the advertisers' rates, the rate rise that stops the Nation Melbourne Cup sweep, name a horse for us, and you could win $ 500 worth of Robbie Williams tickets. We'll get to some of your horse names on the other side of the break. But first, we're going to check traffic. A beautiful noise. The Neil Diamond Musical is coming to Adelaide in May. You can join the wait list now.
01:17:44
Speaker 2: Knock down, build two with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
01:17:52
Speaker 3: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
01:18:00
Speaker 2: I'm going to give it a crack.
01:18:05
Speaker 1: That was one of our highbrow breakfast competitions where we challenged someone to call in and make a horse noise. This one's a bit more sophisticated this morning. And we've got Robbie Williams tickets to give away. Fantastic tickets worth over 500 bucks. Robbie Williams back bringing his Britpop tour to Adelaide Oval. Tickets are on sale. So you can head to FrontierTouring.com to get yours. Now, the advertiser. This is fantastic. It's great. RBA Melbourne Cup Day inspired sweep where there's just wonderful names that have come through. And to be honest, though, I think our listeners have done better. Some of the great texts we've got. Vicky in Salisbury says, how about Lover Duck? written by Marnus Labuschagne, which is just spot on. And there's another terrific one here from Caesar, Alice Rolls riding nothing to see here, which is magnificent. Let's take some calls and let's give away some Robbie Williams tickets. But actually, before we do, though, I need to interrogate one thing with you, Stacey. You mentioned something during the ad break that deserves to be talked about. You actually have had a horse named after you.
01:19:12
Speaker 4: A horse named after me. It was so weird. I found out about it on Twitter because I kept getting tagged in.
01:19:17
Speaker 6: results of a horse at some regional race in New South Wales or something.
01:19:21
Speaker 4: And I was wondering what happened here. The horse was called News Girl. And I was wondering why I was getting tagged.
01:19:27
Speaker 6: So I messaged the trainer who was tagging me and he said the horse's mum was called Stacey Lee and the dad, Magnus. And they Googled Stacey Lee and found me and then called the horse News Girl. So every time it ran, they were tagging me in all.
01:19:41
Speaker 7: Of the results.
01:19:42
Speaker 4: Oh, that's superb.
01:19:44
Speaker 1: How did you go?
01:19:45
Speaker 4: She ended up needing a stem cell operation.
01:19:48
Speaker 3: Oh, no.
01:19:48
Speaker 4: So she was quite needy.
01:19:49
Speaker 1: High maintenance.
01:19:50
Speaker 4: High maintenance.
01:19:51
Speaker 1: Unlike you. Which is, well, some would say it's appropriate. Unlike you, Stacey. A horse everyone could cheer for at the moment, Stable Inflation.
01:19:58
Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
01:19:59
Speaker 1: I think that's a good name. That's a good name for a horse in the context of Melbourne Cup Day. Unfortunately, it's not a runner. I think it's been scratched. Mark in Highbury, good morning. Mark, give us your horse name.
01:20:09
Speaker 11: Good morning.
01:20:09
Speaker 7: How are you going? Good.
01:20:11
Speaker 11: Good.
01:20:12
Speaker 8: Go you a good thing.
01:20:13
Speaker 1: Go your good thing. Why not? Go your good thing. It makes it confusing when you're yelling that out at the track, I guess. Alf in Broadview, good morning. What's your horse name?
01:20:22
Speaker 21: I've got three runners, if I can say the three names.
01:20:25
Speaker 1: Go for it.
01:20:27
Speaker 21: Okay, so I've got Tunnel Cave-In, followed by Joe's Mate, and then I've got Meddling Bikey.
01:20:33
Speaker 4: Meddling Bikey.
01:20:35
Speaker 1: Meddling Bikey. I don't mind that. Ray in Lewiston, have you got a horse name for us?
01:20:40
Speaker 10: Oh, good morning, breakfast team.
01:20:41
Speaker 14: Mine's dedicated to our Honourable Prime Minister, Big Little Lies.
01:20:46
Speaker 1: Big Little Lies. At the TV program of the same name. Not bad. Cathy in Theverden, what's your horse name?
01:20:53
Speaker 14: Sneaky Stick.
01:20:55
Speaker 4: Sneaky Stick.
01:20:56
Speaker 1: What's the origin of that, Cathy?
01:20:57
Speaker 16: Because they're very sneaky.
01:20:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, sounds good, I guess. Alliteration always wins. Greg in West Croydon, what have you got for us in a horse name?
01:21:05
Speaker 14: Morning, all.
01:21:06
Speaker 21: I've got Great Pretender.
01:21:09
Speaker 1: The great pretender.
01:21:10
Speaker 4: Do we ask who inspired it?
01:21:11
Speaker 1: Who's riding it?
01:21:13
Speaker 21: Well, it makes no difference. The only thing is there's a lot of wannabes or couldabes up in North Terrace and Canberra.
01:21:21
Speaker 1: Wannabes, couldabes, never wases. Peter and Modbury, good morning.
01:21:27
Speaker 12: Morning, team.
01:21:27
Speaker 11: How are we?
01:21:28
Speaker 14: Good.
01:21:28
Speaker 21: Mate, I targeted Albo to ride it, but in context, probably anyone in Canberra could ride it, and that's called Broken Promises.
01:21:37
Speaker 1: Broken Promises. Broken Promises sounds like it won a Melbourne Cup in 1956. Yeah, it does. Remember Broken Promises? Beautiful horse. I like that. Julie in Blakeview, what's your horse name?
01:21:47
Speaker 5: Good morning, guys.
01:21:49
Speaker 16: Oh, Stacey, I'm glad they didn't call it the old nag.
01:21:54
Speaker 1: Julie.
01:21:55
Speaker 5: I have a Quinella.
01:21:57
Speaker 14: Anika World, Too Many Flights.
01:22:00
Speaker 7: Yes.
01:22:01
Speaker 13: And Chris Bowen, Asleep at the Conference.
01:22:04
Speaker 1: Asleep at the Conference. Sleep with the cop. Thank you, Julie. Matty and Mano Parra, what's your horse name?
01:22:09
Speaker 13: I've got two, actually, but you should be able to guess the riders from the name.
01:22:13
Speaker 21: One is P-Super and the other is Paiaia.
01:22:17
Speaker 1: Thank you, Matty. Paiaia. Thank you, Matty.
01:22:20
Speaker 4: That sums up the bricky show.
01:22:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's about right. Terry and Kapunda, good morning.
01:22:25
Speaker 21: Yeah, good morning, guys. While I've been on the line, I've been thinking of another one, but the first one I came up with was Big Blue Monster, inspired by that insurance advert of, you're riding a big blue monster there, Bev.
01:22:39
Speaker 7: Yes.
01:22:40
Speaker 21: And the other one is No Way Jose, which is the answer Adelaide Crows get every time they go after a big name.
01:22:48
Speaker 1: Written by the Adelaide Football Club, No Way Jose.
01:22:51
Speaker 11: Yes.
01:22:52
Speaker 1: They've missed out again. Yeah, I can hear the race call now. Thank you, Terry. Sue, what's your horse name?
01:22:58
Speaker 7: Oh, good morning.
01:22:59
Speaker 16: Passing the Buck.
01:23:00
Speaker 14: Passing the Buck.
01:23:01
Speaker 1: Oh, good one. Have you got a rider in mind?
01:23:05
Speaker 16: Well, the rider could be Mally.
01:23:07
Speaker 3: Yeah.
01:23:09
Speaker 16: Or I just can't think of the other woman's name.
01:23:13
Speaker 1: Alice Rolls.
01:23:15
Speaker 7: Sorry?
01:23:16
Speaker 1: Alice Rolls. Maybe passing the buck.
01:23:18
Speaker 20: Sounds perfect.
01:23:19
Speaker 10: Passing the buck.
01:23:20
Speaker 1: Passing the buck.
01:23:21
Speaker 7: Thank you.
01:23:22
Speaker 1: I think the buck in this case. Is the buck Joe Sarkarch? Or did he receive the buck?
01:23:25
Speaker 4: I think he received.
01:23:26
Speaker 7: I don't know.
01:23:26
Speaker 1: He was on the receiving end of the buck.
01:23:27
Speaker 4: I'm losing track of the bucks.
01:23:28
Speaker 1: Tony in Seton.
01:23:29
Speaker 7: Good morning.
01:23:32
Speaker 1: You there, Tony?
01:23:33
Speaker 5: There?
01:23:34
Speaker 7: Yes.
01:23:35
Speaker 11: Oh, sorry.
01:23:36
Speaker 21: Mine's named after the Premier of the State. I'll call it. I'm nothing. After Sergeant Schultz.
01:23:45
Speaker 12: I know nothing.
01:23:47
Speaker 21: And the rider, and the rider will have Tom Christophonus, the lovely model.
01:23:51
Speaker 1: I think the horse name there should be, I know nothing, should be Sergeant Schiltz. Sergeant Schiltz is a good horse name. Paul in Woodville West, good morning.
01:23:58
Speaker 7: Good morning.
01:23:59
Speaker 19: Mallee Special, mate, ridden by the people.
01:24:02
Speaker 1: Mallee Special, thank you, Paul. Daryl in Port Adelaide, what's your horse name?
01:24:06
Speaker 16: Blanket Party, always covering something up.
01:24:09
Speaker 1: Thank you, Daryl.
01:24:10
Speaker 4: That's a good one.
01:24:11
Speaker 1: There's a bit of a theme to these, isn't there? Robin Unley, what's your horse name?
01:24:14
Speaker 21: Run, you bastard.
01:24:20
Speaker 4: That would be fun hearing people yell that out at the races.
01:24:22
Speaker 1: Why isn't that almost all ready?
01:24:24
Speaker 7: Jenny, good morning.
01:24:26
Speaker 16: I'm still running by Cathy Freeman.
01:24:29
Speaker 7: Beautiful.
01:24:30
Speaker 1: That's a nice one, Jenny. Thank you. Let's go to West Beach.
01:24:33
Speaker 7: Jared, good morning.
01:24:35
Speaker 21: How you going?
01:24:35
Speaker 8: This one's got long odds.
01:24:36
Speaker 15: It's called It's in the Modelling.
01:24:39
Speaker 1: It's in the Modelling. Yeah, we need one called Commercial Inconfidence. Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good name for us, isn't it? We don't know what its odds are. Adam in Happy Valley, good morning.
01:24:49
Speaker 21: Good morning, how are you going? One from Murray, what?
01:24:53
Speaker 13: Where's South Australia?
01:24:55
Speaker 1: Where's South Australia? Parking out of a park. What's yours?
01:25:00
Speaker 5: Good morning, Highway to Hell, Joe Sackass.
01:25:03
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, thank you.
01:25:04
Speaker 4: Yeah, the highway, yeah.
01:25:05
Speaker 1: Phil in Mount Barker.
01:25:08
Speaker 8: Yes, referring to how I feel about Anthony Albanese. The horse's name should be Whale's Omelette, a whale omelette, which means he's as thick as.
01:25:18
Speaker 21: A whale's omelette.
01:25:19
Speaker 1: Thick as a whale's omelette. Thank you. And Pauline, good morning.
01:25:22
Speaker 4: I don't get it.
01:25:24
Speaker 16: Chop, chop.
01:25:26
Speaker 1: Chop, chop. Chop, chop. Not stop the chop.
01:25:28
Speaker 18: Yeah.
01:25:29
Speaker 5: Peter Malinowskis is the writer.
01:25:32
Speaker 1: Peter Malinowskis writing Chop Chop. All right, who gets the Robbie Williams tickets?
01:25:36
Speaker 4: Oh, there were so many good ones there. I think Big Little Lies was a good one. That was Ray in Lewiston.
01:25:42
Speaker 1: All right, Big Little Lies, Ray. You've got the Robbie Williams tickets coming your way. For everyone who missed out, you can still get tickets at FrontierTouring.com. It's the Britpop Tour at Adelaide Oval. This will be a huge, great concert. Robbie always puts on a terrific show. And the great news, folks, is we've got more tickets to give away tomorrow morning.
01:26:00
Speaker 12: Knockdown.
01:26:01
Speaker 2: Bill 2. With Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes.
01:26:07
Speaker 4: They do it all for you.
01:26:09
Speaker 3: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
01:26:16
Speaker 1: Nineteen minutes to nine. The big story in Adelaide throughout the evening and this morning, as you've heard it on 5AA Breakfast, is that a woman has died following a police shooting at Furl. The details we know from a safehold of these, that just before 2am this morning, Eastern District Police were called to a property, Gwynne Street at Furl. Following reports, a woman was armed with an axe. They deployed a taser. That was ineffective. The police then discharged a firearm. striking the woman who died at the scene. A police officer suffered minor injuries during the incident. So that's the broad brushes that we know from SAPOL. There's a lot more that goes into a story like this. For example, you might be living next door and suddenly find yourself woken up by a disturbance just before 2am like Beck, our next guest who lives in Furl. Beck, good morning to you. Just describe for us, if you will, your morning.
01:27:09
Speaker 14: Yeah, I don't know if I'd call it a good morning. Yeah, it was 2am this morning, woken up suddenly by bang bang and I thought it was someone knocking on my side fence but it actually ended up being gunshots and my daughter had heard some yelling in the street prior to that, just prior to that, which was obviously the Saipol trying to negotiate with the neighbour. Very unexpected. She was a lovely lady, would often talk to me in my garden, kept much to herself as well. So I thought with her now that she's passed and her partner and her family and the other people that have been involved, and also my thoughts are with the SAVE poll officer, hoping that they make a speedy recovery.
01:28:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, well said, Bec. It's incredibly shocking. So you hear the bang, bang, you think it's a knock on the fence. Do you jump out of bed at that point in time? Did you go out to investigate?
01:28:26
Speaker 14: Yeah. I woke up, I came out probably about quarter past two, and by that time the police lights, no sirens, just the lights flashing all night from 2 a.m., Onwards. and then um they just said for me to go inside which I immediately did because I thought yeah no thanks they've escalated there's something more.
01:28:50
Speaker 1: Did they chat with you beyond that or after.
01:28:51
Speaker 14: That point no no they just said get back inside um which I did um Yeah, because we've had some drug use around the area. Not so much now. It's all under control. But I thought that's what it might have been. But I didn't know it was someone that I'd known for quite a few years now.
01:29:16
Speaker 16: Yeah.
01:29:18
Speaker 4: So the neighbours had lived there for a while?
01:29:22
Speaker 5: Yes.
01:29:23
Speaker 14: She's lived here longer than me, yeah.
01:29:28
Speaker 1: Gosh.
01:29:28
Speaker 3: Yeah.
01:29:30
Speaker 1: It's a nice little area, Pearl, as well, Beck, isn't it? It's a nice part of Adelaide.
01:29:34
Speaker 14: Yeah, no, it's lovely.
01:29:36
Speaker 16: Yeah.
01:29:36
Speaker 14: No, it's got, you know, lots of, yeah, it's a beautiful area, up-and-coming area, a lot of young people moving in now and renovating old places. And, yeah, no, it's a beautiful place to live.
01:29:48
Speaker 11: Yeah.
01:29:48
Speaker 1: We spoke with a reporter, Hayden Nelson, who was there a little bit earlier and said the whole street was roped off. Can you get in and out of your house at the moment or are you still locked in?
01:29:58
Speaker 14: No, no, I can. I can get out of my house now, but as you can understand, Gwynne Street is the main thoroughfare. So there are a lot of, there's been peak hour traffic having to divert or do U-turns in front of my driveway, which hasn't been helpful. But yeah, the neighbours, we've all gathered around. We've just had a bit of a debrief with the neighbours as well, just seeing how They're coping with it all. But, yeah, it hasn't been the best of nights.
01:30:35
Speaker 1: Oh, just awful.
01:30:38
Speaker 14: Yeah, totally unexpected. But, yeah, you don't know what's going to happen. But, no, she was a lovely lady. I've known her for a long time.
01:30:52
Speaker 4: Did she live there alone or did you say she had a partner and a family?
01:30:55
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, she's got a partner. I haven't seen him. But they would always be out in the garden, pottering about in the garden and she would walk past my garden and I'd be in the garden and she'd comment on how lush the lawn would be looking or my roses look good or ask me if I've got any spare pavers that she could use in her garden.
01:31:20
Speaker 20: So.
01:31:21
Speaker 14: And knowing, finding out who it was, yeah, it's a bit of a shock because she's, yeah, that's not, yeah, just unexpected.
01:31:34
Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
01:31:36
Speaker 1: Hard thing to grapple with, Bec, when you have such a natural relationship with a neighbour like that and then something like this happens. It's hard to process. So look after yourself and your daughter and you guys in that. It sounds like a lovely little neighbourhood if you guys all get together.
01:31:49
Speaker 14: For a deep breath afterwards.
01:31:50
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, we're all.
01:31:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, look after yourself, Bec. Thank you for joining us.
01:31:54
Speaker 14: No, thank you. Thank you.
01:31:56
Speaker 16: Have a good day.
01:31:57
Speaker 7: Thank you.
01:31:58
Speaker 1: It's a hard thing to wrap your head around, and the way Bec describes it, I think, makes that such a relatable story. None of these stories are relatable by their nature. You read out a SAPOL press release that says there's been a shooting, a fatality, an incident, police, and none of that feels like it is something that you have to do within your world.
01:32:13
Speaker 7: No.
01:32:13
Speaker 1: But everything else Bec just described is, can I borrow some pavers?
01:32:17
Speaker 4: Yeah, nice neighbour looking at your garden.
01:32:19
Speaker 1: Your lawn looks good. We're both out there gardening at the same time. You get a sense of how shocking that would be in your world.
01:32:25
Speaker 8: Yeah.
01:32:25
Speaker 1: If you imagine it happening to one of your neighbours or in your neck of the woods.
01:32:28
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
01:32:29
Speaker 1: So we scant detail about what led to the police attending the property. We don't know that yet. And we don't know much else about the exchange beyond what I read out a short time ago. So doubtless there'll be more on that. And whenever there's a police shooting like this or a discharge of a firearm, there's a full investigation. So we'll find out. all of the details.
01:32:49
Speaker 4: Is it a commissioner's inquiry usually?
01:32:50
Speaker 1: I think it is.
01:32:51
Speaker 14: Yeah.
01:32:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would imagine a discharge of a firearm that leads to a fatality is all the police internal processes we're firing on this one. All right, we're going to check traffic. We'll come back in just a moment. A beautiful noise. The Neil Diamond musical is bringing an exclusive performance to Rundle Mall this Friday.
01:33:09
Speaker 2: Knock down, build two with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on.
01:33:13
Speaker 4: Keep the other as an investment.
01:33:15
Speaker 2: Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
01:33:17
Speaker 3: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
01:33:23
Speaker 1: Eight minutes to nine, more than 150 musicians and groups have launched this new coalition, the Artists' Alliance of Australia. Their mission is to fight changes to copyright that they say will allow AI companies essentially... to do whatever the hell they want with their music, books, movies, art, and so forth, to train models, a bit like the way in which models are trained on news copy and people's tweets and posts and forums and so forth. And these artists are saying that changes that are being used as part of a sort of bit of horse bargaining with regard to the building of data centres is going to hurt their industry. Sam Whiting is a Senior Research Fellow at the RMIT School of Media and Communications. Sam, good morning. What are the changes to copyright that the artists are particularly inflamed about?
01:34:10
Speaker 8: Well, there are multiple proposals that various AI companies are floating with the government. We've just had this Senate inquiry into AI. And as part of that, you know, Anthropic, OpenAI and other companies big AI companies are proposing that we kind of wind back the protections that we have, rather strong protections in Australia around copyright. And obviously a lot of creatives, a lot of musicians are worried about that. It is a proposal at the moment, but it is, I guess it's something the government has to consider as part of a broad swath of submissions. But it's great to see artists getting on the front foot and sort of getting a bit of groundswell against this.
01:34:54
Speaker 4: So how does it work at the moment, Sam?
01:34:56
Speaker 6: If AI can, as Will said, it kind of scrubs stuff off the internet from social media, from websites.
01:35:02
Speaker 4: But I guess when it comes to creative content, is there not a requirement for these companies to pay for its use?
01:35:09
Speaker 8: Well, yeah. Like you said at the top, it is very similar to the way that it mines text and sort of trains its models on whatever is sort of publicly available on the internet. And, you know, with the ubiquitousness of music through streaming and it's very easy for these companies to get the hands-on big libraries of music and train their models. So the status quo is essentially an opt-out model. So companies, I would say rather illegally, will train their models on data that's freely available. So music libraries, video libraries, things like that. And then it's kind of up to the rights holders to litigate or opt out. I mean, that puts a lot of pressure on rights holders. But it also means they have a lot of leverage, right? And, you know, the Prime Minister has come out and said any sort of use of pre-existing material without consent or permission is theft. So I think the government is leaning more towards the creatives on this, but obviously the AI companies are pushing quite hard because it would be quite a lucrative deal if they were able to wind back some of these protections.
01:36:22
Speaker 1: Well, Sam, thank you. It feels like we're going to see a lot of this kind of thing, one of the new frontiers that governments are going to have to grapple with. Sam Whiting, Senior Research Fellow at the RMIT School of Media and Communication. But no one's immune from this. It's interesting to note it's not as evenly spread, the AI usage story, as we sometimes imagine, and we took the anthropic float happening earlier this week. 99% of the spend on AI tools, agents, and so forth, is actually being spent by, at the moment, 1% of companies. Really? We hear about it in lots of companies, and I think lots of businesses are encouraging staff to explore the use of AI tools.
01:37:05
Speaker 7: Really?
01:37:06
Speaker 1: But in terms of those– we've got all this great data now because Anthropic had to publicly disclose this kind of stuff in addition to their own concerns about ending the human race, and that's not being bombastic. That's literally in their– That's what their report said. That's when they put out their pamphlet to shareholders. It's one of the downside risks of the business might be the end of humanity. Remarkable.
01:37:26
Speaker 4: In black and white.
01:37:26
Speaker 1: In black and white. But 1% of businesses are spending 99% of the money, which is interesting.
01:37:33
Speaker 7: Wow.
01:37:35
Speaker 1: Something to flag in terms of the build-out and roll-out of this and how widespread it does or doesn't become. There's a lot of people on either side of this debate at the moment that are seeing dot-com 2.0 in terms of a bubble, a technology that, yes, the internet has been very successful, but if you were an initial investor, you might have got burned because we didn't quite know where and how it was going to be most successful, or is it something a little bit different to that and is it the downside risks are so insignificant when you consider how widespread ultimately the technology will become and how widespread it will be used. People are saying the best now historical comparison to this is the railroad build-out of the 19th century. When railroads started going everywhere, percentage of GDP and how much it kicked along the market, that's the closest equivalent. The interesting thing about that is in the US and UK, there were both market crashes because people went too crazy building too many railroads to places that didn't need them. So it's an interesting- Sound familiar? Yeah, absolutely right. All right, let's have a look at the traffic situation. No, not traffic, the fuel situation that leads to the traffic. Don't get stuck on the side of the road. Get RAA Road Service. The cheap spots this morning, the Liberty Clarence Garden South Road, $ 2.
01:38:54
Speaker 8: 14. 9.
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Speaker 1: The Leroy's at Hackham, Main South Road, $ 2. 18. 5. The BP at Plimpton, not too bad, still under $ 2. 20, $ 2. 19. 9. Anzac Highway for that one, and the cheap diesel still in the mid, $ 2.
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Speaker 12: 60.
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Speaker 1: The United Blair Athol, Main North Road, $ 2. 62. 5. We'll catch you tomorrow morning for six. Now, morons like me...