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Extra Ends, a curling podcast with Chris, Norm, and sometimes Rob.
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Welcome to the world famous Extra Ends podcast.
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Yes, that's right.
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World famous.
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We had one listener in Europe last week, and I want to thank that one listener.
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It's probably a bot, but I don't care.
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Thank you for our international listeners out there.
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We are your absolutely delightful hosts, Chris Rouget, who went four and three this year in summer curling, and Kevin McDonald.
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I am Norm, who hit more golf balls this summer than High Park Rocks hit picks.
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I mean, that's not many picks, right?
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So obviously it didn't hire a good score in golf, right?
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Exactly.
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Anyway, so of course.
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And unfortunately, uh absent today is Rob Ainsley, who racked up awards all summer for his amazing sound editing, which now includes this show.
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So, guys, curling is back, and we are officially, as of recording, four days into the season at the Royal Canadian Curling Club.
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I can happily say that of the five days the club has been open, I have been there for four of them.
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I can also say that in the past four days, the amount of sunlight I've gotten has dropped a good 80%.
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This is because our curling club has no.
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Have you been outside much?
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I have not been outside very much either, but our curling club has no windows.
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This is why we haven't gotten much sunlight.
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Some other curling clubs do have windows.
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Although, to be fair, we uh now have windows on our front doors.
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Royals is like the Hotel California or the Casino Bellagio you can check out, but you could never leave.
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Exactly.
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Yes.
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Uh all right.
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Uh at the time of recording, if you are listening to this uh as soon as it comes out, there are only 98 days until Curling Week in Canada.
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Well, that's right, we're under a hundred days.
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We're under a hundred days until curling week in Canada.
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For those of you who are just tuning in, this is what this podcast is all about right now is the march towards the week of January 10th to January 17th.
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And that's because on January 17th, almost all of the provinces in Canada will be holding their provincial play downs finals on the same day.
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And we're hoping to have a big party and celebrate curling because it is the one day of the year there will be more curling in this country than anywhere else in the world on any other day of the year.
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So it's a massive day, and we're really excited for it.
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We're counting down to January 17th.
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I know a lot of curling fans are counting down to those days now, and a lot of curlers with a little bit of trepidation are counting down to those days too, because there is only one spot left in the national championships, the Scotties for the women and the Briar for the men's.
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Uh, that is not decided by who wins a province.
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It's decided by who has the most points after all the provincial awards have been awarded.
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So if you want to go to a national championship, you've got you've got to win a provincial championship.
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So last week we had some really good curling events across the country.
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We had the Collingwood Challenger here in Ontario and the Prestige Hotels and Resorts Curling Classic for men and women out west.
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So it was some really good events, but I would argue most importantly, it was also the Rocktoberfest Bond spiel here in Toronto at the Royal Canadian Curling Club.
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Norm, how was your weekend of curling?
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It was excellent.
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Thank you for asking.
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I did get an opportunity to watch some of those curling, but most importantly, I did watch the Rocktoberfest Bond spiel.
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I did unfortunately miss the major event where uh teams played the two draw winners played one end against each other, which I understand you had some involvement with as well.
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But uh earlier in the day I went to another club, the Dixie Curling Center, and watched their Oktoberfest Bond spiel, where they were playing uh multiple games in one day after I had to stay uh late night on Friday night.
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So uh excellent to have spent time at uh two different clubs and enjoy myself and really enjoy the game that uh we both love so much.
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Shout out to team Anthony Pizzetti that won the Rocktoberfest Bondspiel at Royals because they uh they played that last end and uh and they it was it was close.
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And there was we'll talk a little bit about this later in the show, but there was six games of ends going on on that one single end game.
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So it's six games.
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Six games.
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Wow.
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And uh yours truly may have lost one of them.
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So it was uh it was quite the event.
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Uh we'll explain a little bit more about ends and the end of ends later on in the show, but let's uh go to the the more unimaginative but uh more prestigious curling, let's call it, uh, going on in Collingwood and uh at West.
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Kevin, you watched a little bit of the Prestige Hotels Resorts curling classic, and at the time of recording, the men's final is still ongoing.
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It seems to be.
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I think this is our own fault for deciding to record at this time of day on the Eastern time zone, uh following an event in the Pacific time zone, but nonetheless, it was looking at one point in time like Team Hosley was in a little bit of trouble against Team Yamaguchi in the final, but as you said, game ain't over until it's done.
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So you never know, right?
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At uh at this moment, uh Yamaguchi is up four to two in the fifth end.
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Uh with hammer with with hammer.
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So uh Hosley is in a is in a little bit of a bind, and it looks like uh the rings are not in his favor in this end as well.
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We'll keep an eye on it as the show goes on, and uh maybe by the time we get to the end, we'll be able to report a women winner on the men's side.
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But on the women's side, uh Team Gim was our champion this weekend.
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I mean, the third ranked team in the world normally would be one that you would think would have a solid shot at winning that event.
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And uh I th I think uh probably one of the biggest headlines from it was is there were four teams from Japan in the women's side and four teams from uh Korea that were in the women's side, and seven of the eight teams qualified, of those eight uh Asian nations qualified.
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So I think this was similar to a take that Rob had earlier, where in the uh eastern part of this country, when the European teams come early in the season are in very fine mid-season form, uh the Asian teams seem to have come and been in fine mid-season form on the western side of our country and came in and performed very well and uh excellent performance overall, and really a lot of good shot making by those teams from the games I did watch.
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Based on uh based on the calendar, it looks like they had a number of events uh over in Asia uh through August and September.
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So uh now that they're here, they're they're going to be you know putting that up.
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Uh I I see you put in a in a note for me here, Kevin, that uh there was two standout teams uh at uh at Prestige, which was uh Team Reese Hansen and uh Team Hosley.
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Yes, uh Team Reese Hansen is uh the one of the well local to BC.
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I don't think they're actually officially from uh from Vernon, but uh definitely one of the teams that did qualify, one of the um uh top recently U-25 teams in our country.
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And they did qualify, they were undefeated in pool play, but unfortunately went in and lost that first game of the the playoffs.
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So that was to me the team that I think stood out uh for me, based upon one of the young up-and-coming teams in our nation, and one that is uh already got the buy into the Scotty.
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So it's always good to watch them and see them start to perform well at uh such a high stage.
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And then for team Hostley, uh, this is a team that I think we mentioned on last week's pod.
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These guys are working hard.
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I think they've been curling every single weekend since like mid-August.
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We're into October.
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I'm pretty sure they're in the new floors next weekend.
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And I think with what's happened now, I believe this gets them into the slam because my understanding was team Yamaguchi already had a spot in this slam in Victoria in two weeks.
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And so this will put Team Hostley officially into the slam, so their hard work was paid off.
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And unfortunately, that means that our uh our hopeful team Jordan McDonald will not be uh be going getting into at least the first slam.
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It looks like it was uh it was a rough weekend for them.
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Yeah, it looked like they came out and uh won that first game in a triple knockout format, which was interesting.
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I'll come to that part topic later, but definitely they came out, played well, and then went as triple knockout.
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They lost their game on the A side, lost a game on the B side, lost a game on the C side, and their weekend is over far before uh time frame, which I think we were expecting them to be.
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So it's unfortunate after several strong appearances to come out and have a less than strong appearance from our beloved team McDonnell.
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Okay, well, so that was uh that was the Prestige Hotels, uh resorts, and curling classic.
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Looking here in Ontario, we had the Collingwood Challenger, and uh team Nathan Young comes out on top.
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Yay, yes.
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Uh team that uh Chris is a strong supporter of, uh, with Nathan Young, both uh being a member of the Royal Canadian Curling Club and uh also one of the uh celebrity skips at our favorite Bond Spiel, the Curl for Kids charity Bond Spiel on Easter weekend every year.
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So we're a big fan of Nathan on this podcast.
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So you you feel this was a this was a good two-day event.
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I think it was a very good two-day event.
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It's a pretty simple one because a lot of the time the spills that that we cover and talk about are ones where people need to take time off work to go and do this.
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This was like one club, 10 teams.
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They have six sheets of ice there.
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I think they were hoping maybe for 12 teams, but they got to 10.
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And uh they had three draws on Saturday and then three draws on Sunday, and they were done.
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Like you basically played your three games on Saturday.
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If you didn't make the top five, uh, you were out.
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So it was uh a very interesting and a solid opportunity for people to get a quick and easy one where you're really only up there Saturday and Sunday, right?
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One day in and out, kind of more like, or two days in and out, uh kind of like what uh more the bonds feels that you and I kind of have the style that we're involved in, right?
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I I we have to appreciate that even at the highest level, uh, even the most most uh the best curlers in the world, almost all of them still have day jobs.
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They still got to work Monday to Friday doing whatever it is they do in their day jobs.
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Now, some of them are lucky enough to have jobs that can be very generous and time away.
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Uh that they can go off and do curling events and this type of things, but most of them, uh, you've got a fixed number of PTO, and you can't, if you use that up, you're SOL.
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So uh it's really important to remember these teams are giving up a lot to do this.
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So when uh when they can get a top-level spiel into uh a two-day weekend, I think that's awesome.
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Yeah, I think it's an excellent idea.
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And I I was kind of hesitant about it, but when I first saw it, but now that I've seen it in execution, I'm pretty happy about it.
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I wish there were more things that were like that.
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Uh, the one thing going back to the prestige uh hotels one, uh it was interesting that there were both 24 teams in the men's and 24 teams in the women.
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And the women's team opted to do the women's draw, uh, was a pool play draw.
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So the teams uh four pools of six teams playing five games, and then the men's was a triple knockout.
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I have zero idea why both of them decided to do this way and why it was different when both had 24 teams in it.
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I have no idea, and I'd be interested if anybody has any suggestions because it was definitely a different number of games.
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Like Team Gim played five games and then had to win it.
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Three in the playoffs, eight games total they played, whereas like I think it was Team Yamaguchi and Team Hostley only played six games or seven games, something like that.
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It was a much smaller number of games, and it was interesting to see that that was the approach taken.
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This is this is something that seems to happen uh all over the place is uh different formatted events for the men's and the women's.
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And this even happens at the provincials.
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Um, I know Manitoba, PEI, New Brunswick, and for quite a while, Ontario, they had two different systems for their men's play downs and their women's play downs, one being a knockout, like a triple or a double knockout, or a modified triple or double knockout, or uh pool play.
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And uh if I had to gamble, anytime you find, and this is by the way, for our listeners who aren't diehard curlers, um, anytime you are watching curling and you see something really weird, like really weird rules or really weird traditions or really weird stuff happening, and you ask, well, why do they do it that way?
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The answer inevitably is just because we always have.
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Um, and I suspect that's the answer in this case.
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Why is the women's in one format and the men's in another?
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Because, you know, a hundred years ago it was a good idea, and no one remembers why now, and it's just because we always have.
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Yeah, and we'd like to see a lot more of questioning of that type of a situation and a lot more people uh breaking the norm as opposed to uh uh sticking with the norm.
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Some traditions are important and worth keeping.
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Some traditions you should look at and go, why are we still doing a lot of things?
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Why are we still doing it?
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Yeah, exactly.
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Is it helping us?
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Is it serving us?
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No, well then give it the boot.
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So that was a like a good week of curling.
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Now, we're gonna have to get to the painful part for us now, Kevin.
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Uh, we're gonna look at our predictions.
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We're gonna look at our predictions.
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Oh no, no, no, we're not.
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Are we and um and and see how well we did.
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Now, here's the best part.
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Last week was the first week we did predictions, and Kevin and I forgot to write all of our predictions down.
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Of course we did, but we tried to remember as best we could.
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So bear with me.
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We tried to remember best we could, and I know somebody's already shaking their head with their headphones in their ears, going, couldn't you guys just go listen to your episode?
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Well, we could, but that would you know take the fun out of it.
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And also, yeah, we realized we didn't write them down five minutes before recording.
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Exactly.
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Yes, we didn't have to be.
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We're writing them down for next week, though.
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We're probably writing them, yeah, we'll write them down for next week.
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So uh I do know that my predictions for the Prestige Hotels and Resorts Curling Classic was a win by Team Skrillick and a win by Team McDonald.
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Uh, clearly that's an 0 for two on that one.
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Uh yeah, yeah, that was an unfortunate one for you.
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Yeah, so I'm pretty sure I was 0 for 2 as well.
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I can't remember my men's pick, but my women's pick was Team Sturme, which uh unfortunately they went two and three and definitely did not qualify.
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That's just too bad.
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And then in Collingwood, I got a hit.
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I I bet on Nathan Young, and guess what?
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He won.
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So I am I I am pumped for that.
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I'm putting money on him at the next event.
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Uh I'm going to, you know, make a bet with with something or somewhere or somehow on Nathan Young.
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I'm sure somewhere there's something taking that bet.
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Uh, and also for for for your pick, Norm, we we there's another one we forgot to write down.
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We could not write.
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We got a little lucky on that there.
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This episode of Extra Ends is not sponsored by any gambling website or app.
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It's not a moral thing.
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We're just the one and only thing that the gambling apps have not thrown money at.
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If they did throw money at us, we probably wouldn't say no.
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But who knows?
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Anyways, we are not sponsored by any form of gambling.
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That isn't to say we wouldn't be down for a game of ends.
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Not at all.
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We will always play ends.
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Maybe not on weeknights, but definitely on weekends and Bondsfields, yes.
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Speaking of ends, this week.
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Okay, this week, in our view from the hack, uh we've mentioned it a couple times in this episode.
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I think it's the theme.
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Uh, the game of the drinking game of ends, which is a very, very popular game amongst curling clubs across the country.
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Like most things, it's there, it was invented to generate more revenue for the curling club.
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Um, but I'm not against it in this case.
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So uh let's for those of you who are new, those of you who are from clubs that may not have heard this rule of this game.
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Uh, Kevin, can you give us a description of what a game of ends looks like?
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Absolutely.
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So ends is a game where normally you have either eight or nine people involved.
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Uh, whether it's eight or nine, we will discuss based upon some rules of different clubs, etc.
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But nonetheless, you are betting on the result of one specific end that is occurring on the sheet that you are currently watching.
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Uh, normally you would pick an end of one game of a group of people who you know and like, or maybe you pick people you don't like.
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Nonetheless, you pick what you would view as an interesting game.
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And then you have a set of cards, normally uh from the numbers one through four, and everyone picks one card, and this will represent the colors of the rocks that are on the ice.
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Right.
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So there's eight or nine cards, and one through four red, and one through four yellow, or one through four blue, or one through four black, or whatever.
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But two sets of colors, four sets of numbers, and then one extra card.
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Yeah.
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And if the final result of the end is that your card is the card that matches what happened in the end from the shots that were made, you will need to go and buy a round at the bar for everyone that drew a card.
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So you're either buying eight or nine drinks.
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So you have a one in eight or one in nine chance of having to buy a drink.
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So it's pure gambling at potentially low stakes, but also potentially very high stakes with a risk reward, it's very challenging and you get very expensive very quickly.
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Now, just to help people visualize this.
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So the game, the game convener gets his eight cards, one through four yellow and one through four red.
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And I'm using yellow and red because those are the colors of the Royal Canadian Curling Club.
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You curling clubs that use blue and green, you're you're weird.
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Uh curling rocks are supposed to be yellow and red.
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Uh, we can get in that fight later.
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Um they have the eight cards, one through four yellow, one through four red, and then a blank card or a joker or something to be used for a blank.
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They shuffle the cards face down, they fan them out, and they give them out, and everybody draws a card, and that's your card.
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So say I draw three yellow, and as the end goes by, everybody's watching, working towards the end of the uh the the completion of the end, and if the score at the end of the end, the score of that end is three yellow rocks, I have to buy all seven or eight other people a drink.
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Yes.
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Okay, but it's it's it's potentially very expensive.
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It could be very expensive, but I have a seven and eight or an eight and nine chance of getting a free drink.
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That is why that's the benefit of this game.
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Yes.
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Ah, okay.
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I see how this is done.
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Yes.
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Now, we've kept these rules very general at this point, because like all things, like you know, anything in a curling club, there's local variations.
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Like whether it's a game of Euchre or uh what the rings look like or the color of your rocks, there's local variations.
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So there's nine versus eight cards.
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Kevin, what's the difference between a nine-card game of ends and an eight-card game of ends?
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So a nine-card game of ends is one where you have the one through four, as Chris had said, of each of the two sets of colors, and you throw in a joker normally as the wild card, which would then be in case the end was blanked.
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Now, in points bond spills, or skins, bond spills, this card is gold because no one ever blanks an end in these events.
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So that is the one where you're guaranteed a free drink when you see it happen.
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Now, if you are playing in a regular game that is out on the ice, blank is very much in play.
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And I have seen people buy rounds when they've had the blank card, and it's very amusing because they thought that they were just gonna be a drink very easily, but nonetheless, that is what the difference between eight and nine are, and it just depends upon what you try to play.
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Sometimes you can pull the blank out because they want everybody to be involved, they don't want someone to get a free drink.
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Other times it's because well, you can't exactly find eight nine people, so you find eight and you're gonna find eight, and that's that's good enough.
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The the other thing, so if I'm holding my my three yellow in my hand, and my best friend is the skip on yellow team, and I see that he's sitting two, and he's got a net, it's the hammer.
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He's got the hammer, he's sitting two, he's got a narrow draw for three.
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Now, can I put my card up against the glass and tell the wave them off and say, buddy, buddy, don't.
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You're gonna cost me seven drinks.
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Can I show the teams out on the ice my card?
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So the vast majority of clubs I have played at that is absolutely banned beyond like probably the biggest violation of anything you can do at any club is under no circumstances do you show that card to the people on the ice.
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Now, we have seen again at our aforementioned favorite Bond Spiel in the history of Bond Spiels, the Curl for Kids charity Bond Spiel on Easter weekend, that at that one, it is very well known that people show their card to those that are on the ice.
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And frequently people take their card and like stick it, like um, what's the game you play, heads up, where you put the card on your forehead.
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People do that, people put the card underneath their caps, all the things like that.
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That's very well known, and that happens.
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It doesn't impact the game in any capacity, anyways, but that is something that's a uniqueness depending upon your club.
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But the clubs I've been a member at, no, do not show your card to the people on the ice.
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Now, now now finally, when the cards have been drawn, um, is it uh when you you have to buy everyone a drink?
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Do I have to then run around after the end and take 10 different drink orders, or is there a simpler way of doing that?
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Well, there's a couple thank you for asking that one.
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There's a couple of different options, and again, it depends.
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Upon the location and the general guidelines at each of the facilities that you were participating in said event.
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Um, the one that is probably the simplest is some people just simply go up, and because the person that quote unquote won ends, it's probably more you lost at ends, you have to go up and buy a round, you get to choose which shot you're going to buy.
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So effectively, you do a punishment shot.
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So you pick something that you know people don't want to drink, so you would go up and buy a round of shots for all either eight or nine people that are participating in said games events.
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That is one option.
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Your other clubs are mean.
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Well, this is yeah, I know, like I'm saying, it depends upon what the rule is.
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But yes, you're right, it is very mean.
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Nonetheless, the other option is the one that I have seen frequently, and our club, I think, has perfected this, is where you take a piece of paper and you write down everyone's drink order of what they would specifically like name, uh, what card they have, and their drink order, so that when you go up to the bar after the game events is over, you go and you get the drink order, then come back with a tray and start handing the drinks out to everybody.
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You know who had what drink, so it's very easy to remember.
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That's helpful.
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And then you could even perfect that game even more by having the bartender pour the eight or nine drinks before the end's even over because you know it's all gonna be those drinks, and you just have to serve them.
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So go ahead, Chris.
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We have optimized, we have optimized for this at Royals.
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The uh we we we've created special, not just special cards to draw to understand what your what your what position you're going to be taking, but we have a special notepad that you fill out someone's name and you fill out beside it the drink.
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And it just goes through and you fill out all eight or nine people's name and beside it the drink.
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And it's usually you know not the clearest written, but as long as it's clear enough for the bartender to read.
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And then at some point, in the middle of the end, you take that up to the bartender and you hand it to them, and they'll keep an eye on the ice sheet.
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And as soon as the skips start throwing, they start pouring.
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So by the time the game is done or the end is done, there's nine drinks lined up at the bar with the card in front of it.
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So all the poor loser has to do is show up to the bar with their credit card, claim the nine drinks that have been ordered and poured, and begin distributing them.
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We are about efficiency when it comes to the consumption of our bar products at the Royal Canadian Cards.
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Exactly.
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Yes.
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So this is an absolute fun game, and this is a way we we make a joke about the about the bar side of it, but it's also a really fun way to get curlers involved in what's happening on the ice.
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So often in bond spiels, there's two different worlds there's what's happening on the ice and what's happening in the lounge.
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And this brings the two together and gets people watching the game and getting involved and and just sort of cheering for someone or against someone.
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Because as you sit there, and and this happened to me, by the way, this weekend at uh at the Rocktoberfest Bond spiel.
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The last game, the winners of each draw had to play one end, and it was called ends for end, or an end for ends, and it was one end game, and the goal was two twofold.
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One, that all the curlers in the lounge would play ends, and that uh the two each winners, one winner of each draw would play one end to decide who was the winner of the whole Bond spiel.
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And it's a little bit of a gimmick, but this is obviously meant for fun Bond spiels, but it was a lot of fun.
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We ended up with six different ends games going on on this one spiel.
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And through the entire end, one red, the people who had drawn one red were holding their breath because red would got buried early and stead that way.
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And it looked like it was going to be one red, and then suddenly a bad hit went the wrong way, and three yellow was in play, and then it was back down to two red.
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It was all over until finally a clutch draw was made by Pizzetti to bury a yellow rock behind multiple stagger guards, uh, completely inaccessible to sit one yellow.
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And while red had hammer and you know, the red, red, one red was nervous, and most of the yellows were comfortable.
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Most of the head, suddenly one yellow is sitting in the hot seat as red throws hammer and misses their shot, and thinking they were safe, all in, one yellow uh ended up having to buy uh many, many drinks.
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So in each game, whoever who drew one yellow had to buy the other seven drinks.
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And that was unfortunate for them.
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Kevin, ask me, ask me who had one yellow in my game.
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Who had one yellow, Chris?
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Tell me who had it.
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Yeah, I had one yellow.
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I I had one yellow.
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So uh didn't you buy ends earlier, too, in the day?
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Yeah, I lost a game earlier.
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I lost two games of ends uh over that Saturday.
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So um my my my curling uh bill at the end of the month is going to be significant.
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Uh so I'm uh gonna be taking it easy for the rest of the month, as one would say.
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Yes.
00:26:56.400 --> 00:27:02.079
I had two other small nuances to add to ends as an explanation.
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One is I have been uh been at or heard of bond spiels, where uh I believe this is more common in the United States of America, where as part of your entry fee for the bond spiel, uh booze is covered.
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So because booze is covered, people will play ends, but it's the other way around.
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You want your thing to happen because you'll each put in a$5 bill and you'll take the pot.
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So it's basically gambling for money on ends.
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So that is the one additional nuance.
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I didn't prep you for that one.
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That hit me as I was like as we're recording the podcast.
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I remembered this one.
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We keep talking about this.
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The CRA is gonna come looking for their own.
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I'm sure, yes.
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Yes, and one final one, which is a general guideline in any and all games of ends.
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Shout out to my friend and former skip.
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Shindy's card is always in play.
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You have to explain.
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So, my former skip, Greg Shindy, who's one of the biggest gamblers I know of, always does this.
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And no matter what happens, every single game of ends he's playing, he hates losing an ends, and he his card is always a very strong possibility is happening.
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It's a rule of ends.
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Fair enough.
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He is one of our listeners, so congratulations, Shindy.
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You got a shout out.
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So, if for those of you who haven't played ends in your curling clubs, or uh this is the first you're hearing about it, feel free to email us at overheard at extraends.ca.
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We can send you the rules in written form.
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But uh, by far, it's a great way to add fun to your events and usually increase increase revenue for your bar.
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:42.880
Moving on, we are moving on to our pregame roundup and what the week ahead's looking like.
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This is a big week, and this is uh this is the week before the grand slam in Victoria BC, but we have a large number of events going on this week.
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We have out in Pittikton, the New Floors Curling Classic, which is a top-level event out west, uh, always draws some of the biggest teams.
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We have the Stu Cells Toronto Tankard, the sister tankard of the Oakville Tankered that happened earlier in the year.
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Now it's the Toronto Tankard, uh, sponsored by Stu Cells.
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And this regularly draws a lot of big teams.
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And then finally, we have the Autumn Gold Classic happening as well.
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The Autumn Gold Classic happens in Okatokes.
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It's essentially the women's version of the Okatokes spiel we talked about a few weeks ago.
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So we're gonna go through each one of these.
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We're gonna talk about some of our teams to watch, we're gonna talk about uh any intel intel we have from the ice makers out there, and uh, we're gonna give you a little bit of our take and a little bit of our predictions.
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So, uh Norm, why don't you start it off?
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Let's go to Pentikton and New Floors.
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Who who who are you watching?
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Yeah, I think there's a bunch of teams that we're watching because this is uh out in Pentikton, so very near Victoria, which is where the next slam, the first slam of the year is.
00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:59.200
And there's several teams that are prepping for the slam by going to that.
00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:05.119
I think our beloved team Botcher is one that uh we both have stakes in, that we're very interested in that team.
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:07.279
And then many other teams are looking at it.
00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:12.559
I think that was the one that I noted down on our sheet is the one that I'm looking at because they're really going for it.
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:15.920
And then, of course, team Hostley is going back in that one again.
00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:34.720
And then I believe uh our also our friend, uh our friend Jordan McDonald, I believe, is in that one as well, as well as many, many other teams rounded out by many of the BC teams that are using this as an opportunity to play a local event with a cross-canada and international flair to it.
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:45.200
All right, and this the I'm I'm watching the Swedes who are showing up, Team Erickson um with uh Oscar Erickson's team uh are showing up at this as well.
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:47.839
Uh, thankfully, Team Jacobs won't be there.
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So we we have yet to see a uh a serious spiel meetup between uh Team Erickson and Team Jacobs yet, but I'm sure that will come soon at one of the slams uh to see if there's any tension still there.
00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:12.000
Also, uh we have the Schwallers, which are is some of the best curlers in the world right now, which I think is going to lead to some absolutely great curling.
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Uh I'm I'm very, very excited for this.
00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:19.440
Uh on the on the women's side, uh is there yeah, there's a women's side to this.
00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:22.640
No, the no, the women's side is in is the autumn goal classic.
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That's an overtoaks.
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Right.
00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:29.839
So in Pentikton's just the men's, and the women uh have their own spiel in Alberta.
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So yes.
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Someday we'll get like if I I suspect it's a matter of ice space, but uh so someday we get these events, you know, with with both genders at the same time.
00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:40.720
But so that's yeah in New Flyers.
00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:46.799
Uh the unfortunately, we asked uh Pentikton for their ice makers report, and all they said was, Who are you?
00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:50.720
Um I don't think that was the exact words we heard, yes.
00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:54.400
And so we have no icemakers report from uh Pentikton.
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No.
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This event is very much my take on this event is uh the prelude.
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This is the prelude to the slam.
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This is get yourself ready.
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This is the last time they get to see each other before the slam.
00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:09.599
Uh a lot of teams are doing this spiel instead of doing practice weekends.
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So uh you can expect everyone to bring their A game and have a lot of good curling here.
00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:19.279
Uh, do you have any final takes on this before we make our predictions?
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:24.559
Uh no, I'm gonna attempt to make a prediction at some point on this one.
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:25.279
So go ahead.
00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:26.000
All right.
00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:28.640
If you're we picking two teams or one?
00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:29.519
How are we doing this?
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:30.400
We're picking winners.
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:31.279
Winners or nothing.
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:32.640
Oh, we pick winners only.
00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:32.880
Okay.
00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:34.240
Winners only.
00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:36.079
I'm going with Team Botcher.
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:38.000
I'm going with Team Botcher for this one.
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:38.960
I have watched them.
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They've been in the semis of every event they've participated in so far, but in every event so far, they've gotten better.
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:46.880
I think this is the one they're gonna break through.
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:50.559
They're gonna do it, they're going to go through to the final and they're gonna win.
00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:54.079
Uh they're gonna win the new floors and curling classic.
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:54.720
Yep.
00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:56.480
No bias there from you at all.
00:32:57.200 --> 00:32:59.519
No, no, I'm no, no bias what's right.
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:01.440
And even if I was biased, I wouldn't care.
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:02.319
You wouldn't care.
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:04.960
You're trying to pick money the smart money way.
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:05.599
I get it.
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:13.599
Um, I will take then Team Yannick Schwaller, which is the relatively recently proclaimed um number one team in the world.
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:30.799
They surpassed Team Mowit uh with that, and um, they've had a very good start to the year, and uh looking for them to continue on, a very, very strong event as they continue forward and uh look to continue to improve upon their number one ranking and put them further away from everybody else.
00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:32.799
No, this is gonna be a great event.
00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:37.359
All right, let's come down to Toronto and the Stew Cells Toronto Tankered.
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:39.519
We uh we have some teams to watch here.
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:41.519
This is this is usually a big event, Kevin.
00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:42.799
What are you looking forward to?
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:51.440
I think this year, with what you just referenced with the slam being out west, in the past, the slams have been in and around Ontario somewhere.
00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:56.000
So the Stu Cells Toronto has normally been the warm-up event for that.
00:33:56.240 --> 00:34:08.880
This year, with the slam out west, those two events you the one we just talked about and the one we're gonna talk about, um, uh the men's and the women's events that are over there, many of the slam teams are using that as their preparation event for it.
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:12.239
And the Stu Cells Toronto is not uh that event.
00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:18.639
So, therefore, the field, while still strong and still good, isn't quite at the level as it has been in the past.
00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:20.000
I think that's a notable thing.
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:21.679
So, Chris, I don't know your thoughts about it.
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:27.840
I think we're pretty happy about the teams that are in it, especially for a spiel at our uh our sibling rival club.
00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:29.119
Yeah, I agree.
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:42.079
Uh it's it it it is uh it is a lot of Ontario teams, but what I found uh really interesting, and one of our teams to watch is Team Black out of Nova Scotia, who uh are making an appearance again.
00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:50.559
Um, and then we're also watching uh Team Park and Team Kim on the women's side, and then the men's side and team Epping uh to see how well they keep going.
00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:58.960
Um I have a couple takes on this, a couple takes on this event, but first, we actually do have an ice makers report from the Stu Cells Toronto Tanker.
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And I'm going live now to Kevin McDonald with the ice makers report.
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I did tell him that the uh anything he told me was off the record, but now this part's gonna be the part that's on the record.
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So the number one We can't break off the record.
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I I understand.
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The biggest thing I think is is in the Toronto area as we've now entered October.
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Um, the heat and humidity that has been very recent has broken.
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So now that has made it significantly better for our uh our own club and for the Hyde Park Club.
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The Hyde Park Club can handle the heat pretty well.
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Um, but like anytime things start to fluctuate is when it starts to get rough.
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But right now, uh the weather is looking really good to help with the event to impact the building.
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It is a building that's over 100 years old, so that that kind of helps.
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Um, rocks are being um textured uh tomorrow, and the ice will be in very good shape, but normally is at this event, and uh they've been doing some fine tuning and some solid work recently on several of their pieces of equipment to make sure that they put their best show on for this event.
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I'm looking forward to it.
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So, one of the things I looked at this event and my take on it is I was surprised to see the number of Nova Scotia teams.
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Nova Scotia is usually for lack of a better term, one of the struggling jurisdictions in the curling world.
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We all remember the late, the great Colleen Jones, uh, who took that province and put it on the map from curling, uh, one of the hands-down best curlers in the world.
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But outside of Colleen, the province had always sort of struggled to put a really strong program in the field.
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But then starting last year, a couple years before that, suddenly we have Team Black, we have a couple others, we now have three Nova Scotia teams uh coming to this event.
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And it looks like Nova Scotia is setting itself up to be a player on the national stage here in Curling.
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And I think that's just fascinating to watch.
00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:51.760
Uh, two comments to talk about what you just said.
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Yes, absolutely, Nova Scotia's been coming.
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And if you look at the results, it's always a little bit of a trailing indicator.
00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:05.280
And it's a very interesting thing is to look at who won and how well provinces do at the Canadian junior championships.
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And relatively recently, I'd say over the last five to seven years, which is including just slightly um pre-COVID, uh, the Nova Scotia teams have started to do really well and have won at those ones.
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:24.320
And so definitely Taylor Stevens is one of the ones that's here that was at the Scotties in Mississauga in in the um uh in this in January of this year.
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She made the playoffs at the Scotties as a first-time skip, which is amazing for a team that is effectively a full-on U-25 team.
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But seeing them come here for this would be good and be very interesting to see how well they do.
00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:38.079
So that's my first main point.
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My second main point is uh our uh former celebrity skip from um the Curl for Kids a couple years ago, Chris Rob Harris, is very angry at you right now for not recognizing that he did win the Briar on Team Mark Daisy from Nova Scotia and came bronze at the world a couple years ago many years ago, but still nonetheless.
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Nova Scotia does have a strong curling history.
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Let me be clear about that.
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Uh but I mean in recent years, it is it is it has not been in the national spotlight in the same way that it had in the past.
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:08.400
Yes, absolutely.
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I just wanted to make sure you did a shout out to our friend, our friend Rob Harris.
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Yes.
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Their province is called New Scotland, after all.
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I suspect they do have some good curling lineage.
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What one would hope.
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Yes, absolutely.
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Also, we are also not sponsored by New Scotland Clothing.
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So let's move on.
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Uh Norm, do you have any other takes on this event?
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Um, no, I think it's a good one.
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It is on the Thanksgiving weekend, and it's starting on Thursday morning.
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So it's it is a five-day event, but it's a three-day long weekend.
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And I think um, initially from uh some reports I heard, uh the the club was a little hesitant when they first got it going of like, oh, I don't think anyone will play on Thanksgiving weekend.
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It's like, oh no, they will.
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And they've been coming ever since, and it does it's done quite well, except for the one year that we had at our club, but it is sticking at High Park, I think, for the the near future.
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So I think it's an excellent event.
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One that uh when it is in town, I really try to do my best to go see it.
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Uh, may not necessarily be the case this year, unfortunately, but um it is still one that I really like.
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And the High Park Club's an excellent club, and there's some excellent curling if you happen to be in the greater turnout area for the uh this weekend.
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So please pop on over there and check out some of the action.
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It'd be great.
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Yeah, they said they do a great job.
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They do a great job hosting this event.
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They set up stands and bleachers so everyone can see it's it's great.
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All right, Kevin, here comes the critical moment.
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I went first on the last one, so you got to go first on this one.
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What are your predictions?
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Uh, winner for men and winner for women on the Stew Cells Toronto Tankers.
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Okay, so I need to pick one of each, right?
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One of the I will pick for the I will pick for the men, I will pick Team Epping.
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And for the women, I will pick the aforementioned from Nova Scotia, Team Christina Black.
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I think those are good choices.
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I um I'm going to agree with you on Christina Black.
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I know it's not exciting, but uh, we can't have the same picks.
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That's part of it.
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No, no, no.
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We're either both right or we're both wrong.
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Oh, we if we're trying to track this.
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I mean, come on.
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Okay, fine.
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All right, fine.
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You will next time I'm going first, just so I can.
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Okay, fine.
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Uh no, then I'm going to take uh Unjung Kim uh from Korea.
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I think um they've always given folks a run for their money, and uh I think they're gonna do it again.
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Uh what do I think on the men's side?
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Let's see.
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I'm just sort of.
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No, you just said earlier that you're gonna pick Nathan Young and ride him the whole way.
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How are you not picking him again?
00:40:33.039 --> 00:40:34.719
Yeah, I'm picking Nathan Young again.
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I'm picking Nathan Young again.
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And you know what?
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Bonus points?
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:40.880
I want bonus points if it's a Greg Smith, Nathan Young fan.
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Oh, absolutely.
00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:42.960
I want a battle battle.
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Battle Newfoundland boys.
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I want all Newfoundland battle.
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There might be more drinks consumed on the ice than off it if that's the case.
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All right, moving along.
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We have one last event uh to review that's coming up this week, and that is the Autumn Gold Classic in Okatoks, Alberta.
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This is a woman's event.
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As we said, it's a uh it's a sort of partner event to the men's event that happened a few weeks ago.
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Uh what are we looking at here, uh, Kevin?
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:11.519
Uh, what do you think this event's gonna look like?
00:41:11.679 --> 00:41:18.639
Looks like we have very similar to the Stew Cells, a lot of uh uh other sort of new teams or building teams.
00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:32.320
Yeah, I think this is another one where it's one of the Western events that uh has definitely local flavor of several Alberta teams that are in it, but it also has many of those teams that are prepping for the slam, like Team Anderson is in that.
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:42.800
And I know uh several of the Asian teams, the Japanese and Korean teams have uh mentioned that were in the uh Pentikton event are also coming back to Okotoks for this event as well.
00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:46.880
So I think those are many of the teams that we're looking for.
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And uh I'm noting as we go into it.
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I don't know if there's any specifically that you're interested in, Chris.
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:57.440
Listen, this this event is there's uh a lot of good teams here.
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I the one I'm gonna be looking at closely uh because they've they've done a couple events, but I haven't watched them, and I'm gonna make a point to watch a couple of their games is Team Negavan.
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:16.639
Um I want to I want to see what the what it looks like um with with um Selena in the in the skip position.
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Um Chelsea Carey's also a part of that rink, but I still don't think she's back yet.
00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:21.519
Is that correct?
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:24.159
Chelsea is still skipping that rink.
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Oh, okay.
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:25.199
Right.
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Well she's skipping it.
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She's listed on the site.
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I think she's like their fifth, as Selena is uh either about to or has recently delivered uh her children.
00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:35.920
Right.
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:37.280
That's that's what I thought.
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:39.920
So I think Chelsea's gonna do a great job here.
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:42.400
Uh friend of the podcast, Jessica Carey, yeah.
00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:46.079
Um is uh you know top-level Olympic level curler.
00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:48.159
So uh I want to watch this team.
00:42:48.320 --> 00:42:53.599
I think uh Team Inerson is uh their new form I'm gonna be watching as well.
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I'm very excited for it.
00:42:55.519 --> 00:43:00.559
Um and then it is I'll I'll admit it is always a treat to watch Team Hasselborg.
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I was surprised they came back.
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I thought they might be retiring and we might not see them again in this squad, but I am so excited to see them on the ice again.
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Absolutely.
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They have over and over again been the team that pushes the rest of the women's field along with team Holman to get better.
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Um, and I think uh at one point it was sort of Hasselborg that lit the fire under Team Homan.
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That if you want to get good, if you want to be unstoppable, you have to get by this team consistently.
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And uh Holman's done that.
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So I think uh I'm really excited for this event.
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I'm gonna have a lot of fun watching it.
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:38.159
So we uh once again we called the Okatux Curling Club.
00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:41.519
Um and they didn't say who are you, they said please stop calling.
00:43:41.840 --> 00:43:45.760
So uh we don't have an icemakers report from the Okatoks Curling Club.
00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:48.159
Um and we've sort of given you our take.
00:43:48.239 --> 00:43:50.400
So we're gonna jump straight to predictions here.
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Uh in in a random game that I just played in my head, I won, so I get to go first.
00:43:57.039 --> 00:43:59.519
And uh I am going to pick uh the two.
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Win this event, I am actually going to pick.
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Let's see here.
00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:09.360
I'm going with Team Alina Pats.
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Oh, that's who I was gonna pick.
00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:16.960
Well, you're just gonna pick someone else.
00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:23.199
I'll pick Team Xenia Schwaller, the teams that have played each other, I think, the final of three or four events this year.
00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:28.000
Team Schwaller has not lost a game this year to anybody except Alina Pets.
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So it's about her time to win another one against her.
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So I'll do that.
00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:33.519
She'll break the streak.
00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:35.119
Alright.
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So, ladies and gentlemen, now for our one of our favorite segments, Coach's Corner with Rob.
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Coach's Corner.
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Rob, club season is starting up at Royals.
00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:54.960
Do you have any advice for anyone who may be struggling to get back into the swing of things?
00:44:55.519 --> 00:45:00.079
Again, Rob's not here, so I have no fing idea.
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:04.880
Well, we'll just have to put this question on hold and ask him when he's back.
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:05.920
Okay, thanks.
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Bye.
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All right, ladies and gentlemen.
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Uh, we have a few more moments before the end of our podcast today.
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We hope you've had as much fun listening to this as we have recording it.
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We're on to our my favorite segment, overheard at royals.
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And as Royals is open and uh doing business, there's a lot of things that are filling up the overheard at Royals inbox.
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If you overhear anything at Royals, feel free to email overheard at extraends.ca.
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That email address again is overheard at extraends.ca.
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Now, while we're not going to violate the confidentiality of our club's members AGM, there was one interesting comment going around the meeting last week at our annual general meeting.
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It was noted by some observant members that if revenue could be increased by a mere$2,000 per month, the Royal Canadian Curling Club would hit a monumental goal in terms of bar sales.
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So the challenge has been issued for the community, for the health of the club, for the health of our curling, and for bragging rights.
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We're calling on Royals members to help us with this goal of increasing bar revenue by$2,000 a month.
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When the challenge was issued, the following was overheard.
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Well, I guess we can stay for one more.
00:46:27.679 --> 00:46:30.239
Are you gonna try to do this by yourself, Chris?
00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:30.960
Or what?
00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:33.519
Like, I can't imagine you would drink$2,000 a month.
00:46:33.599 --> 00:46:38.639
You're just trying to get more people to join the no, I think I think the members are up for the challenge.
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:41.679
I think the membership I know you think the members are up for the challenge.
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:44.960
$2,000 a month is one more round per person, give or take.
00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:45.599
Yeah, exactly.
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:46.960
We we can do this.
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:52.480
It's not even that, it's actually uh probably about one more round for every fourth person.
00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:53.119
There you go.
00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:55.679
So, you know, Mensley can do that alone.
00:46:55.920 --> 00:47:04.239
Um I I think that uh we can do this and hit this monumental revenue goal and also uh invest in our own club and invest in our community.
00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:06.400
It is for the health of the club, it's for the club norm.
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:07.039
It's for the club.
00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:08.639
It is absolutely for the health of the club.
00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:09.280
Yeah, it's for the club.
00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:09.760
Exactly.
00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:11.039
Yes, yeah.
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Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us once again.
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This has been episode five of Extra Ends A Curling Podcast, covering the week of September 29th to October 5th.
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We'd like to thank all of you.
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Our episodes come out every week.
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We try to get them out on Tuesday, it might be Wednesday, depending on well how well we were at trying to raise money for the club the night before.
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And uh I would like to thank my co host, Kevin McDonald.
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Hi, thank you.
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Thanks, everyone.
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And ladies and gentlemen, please always remember that may hear ice be fasting curly in the shed and cold and ready at the bar.
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Extra Ends, a curling podcast with Chris, Norm, and sometimes Rob.
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Welcome to the world famous Extra Ends podcast.
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Yes, that's right.
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World famous.
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We had one listener in Europe last week, and I want to thank that one listener.
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It's probably a bot, but I don't care.
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Thank you for our international listeners out there.
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We are your absolutely delightful hosts, Chris Rouget, who went four and three this year in summer curling, and Kevin McDonald.
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I am Norm, who hit more golf balls this summer than High Park Rocks hit picks.
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I mean, that's not many picks, right?
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So obviously it didn't hire a good score in golf, right?
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Exactly.
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Anyway, so of course.
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And unfortunately, uh absent today is Rob Ainsley, who racked up awards all summer for his amazing sound editing, which now includes this show.
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So, guys, curling is back, and we are officially, as of recording, four days into the season at the Royal Canadian Curling Club.
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I can happily say that of the five days the club has been open, I have been there for four of them.
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I can also say that in the past four days, the amount of sunlight I've gotten has dropped a good 80%.
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This is because our curling club has no.
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Have you been outside much?
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I have not been outside very much either, but our curling club has no windows.
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This is why we haven't gotten much sunlight.
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Some other curling clubs do have windows.
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Although, to be fair, we uh now have windows on our front doors.
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Royals is like the Hotel California or the Casino Bellagio you can check out, but you could never leave.
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Exactly.
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Yes.
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Uh all right.
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Uh at the time of recording, if you are listening to this uh as soon as it comes out, there are only 98 days until Curling Week in Canada.
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Well, that's right, we're under a hundred days.
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We're under a hundred days until curling week in Canada.
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For those of you who are just tuning in, this is what this podcast is all about right now is the march towards the week of January 10th to January 17th.
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And that's because on January 17th, almost all of the provinces in Canada will be holding their provincial play downs finals on the same day.
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And we're hoping to have a big party and celebrate curling because it is the one day of the year there will be more curling in this country than anywhere else in the world on any other day of the year.
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So it's a massive day, and we're really excited for it.
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We're counting down to January 17th.
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I know a lot of curling fans are counting down to those days now, and a lot of curlers with a little bit of trepidation are counting down to those days too, because there is only one spot left in the national championships, the Scotties for the women and the Briar for the men's.
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Uh, that is not decided by who wins a province.
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It's decided by who has the most points after all the provincial awards have been awarded.
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So if you want to go to a national championship, you've got you've got to win a provincial championship.
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So last week we had some really good curling events across the country.
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We had the Collingwood Challenger here in Ontario and the Prestige Hotels and Resorts Curling Classic for men and women out west.
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So it was some really good events, but I would argue most importantly, it was also the Rocktoberfest Bond spiel here in Toronto at the Royal Canadian Curling Club.
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Norm, how was your weekend of curling?
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It was excellent.
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Thank you for asking.
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I did get an opportunity to watch some of those curling, but most importantly, I did watch the Rocktoberfest Bond spiel.
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I did unfortunately miss the major event where uh teams played the two draw winners played one end against each other, which I understand you had some involvement with as well.
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But uh earlier in the day I went to another club, the Dixie Curling Center, and watched their Oktoberfest Bond spiel, where they were playing uh multiple games in one day after I had to stay uh late night on Friday night.
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So uh excellent to have spent time at uh two different clubs and enjoy myself and really enjoy the game that uh we both love so much.
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Shout out to team Anthony Pizzetti that won the Rocktoberfest Bondspiel at Royals because they uh they played that last end and uh and they it was it was close.
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And there was we'll talk a little bit about this later in the show, but there was six games of ends going on on that one single end game.
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So it's six games.
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Six games.
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Wow.
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And uh yours truly may have lost one of them.
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So it was uh it was quite the event.
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Uh we'll explain a little bit more about ends and the end of ends later on in the show, but let's uh go to the the more unimaginative but uh more prestigious curling, let's call it, uh, going on in Collingwood and uh at West.
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Kevin, you watched a little bit of the Prestige Hotels Resorts curling classic, and at the time of recording, the men's final is still ongoing.
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It seems to be.
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I think this is our own fault for deciding to record at this time of day on the Eastern time zone, uh following an event in the Pacific time zone, but nonetheless, it was looking at one point in time like Team Hosley was in a little bit of trouble against Team Yamaguchi in the final, but as you said, game ain't over until it's done.
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So you never know, right?
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At uh at this moment, uh Yamaguchi is up four to two in the fifth end.
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Uh with hammer with with hammer.
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So uh Hosley is in a is in a little bit of a bind, and it looks like uh the rings are not in his favor in this end as well.
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We'll keep an eye on it as the show goes on, and uh maybe by the time we get to the end, we'll be able to report a women winner on the men's side.
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But on the women's side, uh Team Gim was our champion this weekend.
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I mean, the third ranked team in the world normally would be one that you would think would have a solid shot at winning that event.
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And uh I th I think uh probably one of the biggest headlines from it was is there were four teams from Japan in the women's side and four teams from uh Korea that were in the women's side, and seven of the eight teams qualified, of those eight uh Asian nations qualified.
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So I think this was similar to a take that Rob had earlier, where in the uh eastern part of this country, when the European teams come early in the season are in very fine mid-season form, uh the Asian teams seem to have come and been in fine mid-season form on the western side of our country and came in and performed very well and uh excellent performance overall, and really a lot of good shot making by those teams from the games I did watch.
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Based on uh based on the calendar, it looks like they had a number of events uh over in Asia uh through August and September.
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So uh now that they're here, they're they're going to be you know putting that up.
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Uh I I see you put in a in a note for me here, Kevin, that uh there was two standout teams uh at uh at Prestige, which was uh Team Reese Hansen and uh Team Hosley.
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Yes, uh Team Reese Hansen is uh the one of the well local to BC.
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I don't think they're actually officially from uh from Vernon, but uh definitely one of the teams that did qualify, one of the um uh top recently U-25 teams in our country.
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And they did qualify, they were undefeated in pool play, but unfortunately went in and lost that first game of the the playoffs.
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So that was to me the team that I think stood out uh for me, based upon one of the young up-and-coming teams in our nation, and one that is uh already got the buy into the Scotty.
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So it's always good to watch them and see them start to perform well at uh such a high stage.
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And then for team Hostley, uh, this is a team that I think we mentioned on last week's pod.
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These guys are working hard.
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I think they've been curling every single weekend since like mid-August.
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We're into October.
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I'm pretty sure they're in the new floors next weekend.
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And I think with what's happened now, I believe this gets them into the slam because my understanding was team Yamaguchi already had a spot in this slam in Victoria in two weeks.
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And so this will put Team Hostley officially into the slam, so their hard work was paid off.
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And unfortunately, that means that our uh our hopeful team Jordan McDonald will not be uh be going getting into at least the first slam.
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It looks like it was uh it was a rough weekend for them.
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Yeah, it looked like they came out and uh won that first game in a triple knockout format, which was interesting.
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I'll come to that part topic later, but definitely they came out, played well, and then went as triple knockout.
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They lost their game on the A side, lost a game on the B side, lost a game on the C side, and their weekend is over far before uh time frame, which I think we were expecting them to be.
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So it's unfortunate after several strong appearances to come out and have a less than strong appearance from our beloved team McDonnell.
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Okay, well, so that was uh that was the Prestige Hotels, uh resorts, and curling classic.
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Looking here in Ontario, we had the Collingwood Challenger, and uh team Nathan Young comes out on top.
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Yay, yes.
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Uh team that uh Chris is a strong supporter of, uh, with Nathan Young, both uh being a member of the Royal Canadian Curling Club and uh also one of the uh celebrity skips at our favorite Bond Spiel, the Curl for Kids charity Bond Spiel on Easter weekend every year.
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So we're a big fan of Nathan on this podcast.
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So you you feel this was a this was a good two-day event.
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I think it was a very good two-day event.
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It's a pretty simple one because a lot of the time the spills that that we cover and talk about are ones where people need to take time off work to go and do this.
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This was like one club, 10 teams.
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They have six sheets of ice there.
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I think they were hoping maybe for 12 teams, but they got to 10.
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And uh they had three draws on Saturday and then three draws on Sunday, and they were done.
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Like you basically played your three games on Saturday.
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If you didn't make the top five, uh, you were out.
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So it was uh a very interesting and a solid opportunity for people to get a quick and easy one where you're really only up there Saturday and Sunday, right?
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One day in and out, kind of more like, or two days in and out, uh kind of like what uh more the bonds feels that you and I kind of have the style that we're involved in, right?
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I I we have to appreciate that even at the highest level, uh, even the most most uh the best curlers in the world, almost all of them still have day jobs.
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They still got to work Monday to Friday doing whatever it is they do in their day jobs.
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Now, some of them are lucky enough to have jobs that can be very generous and time away.
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Uh that they can go off and do curling events and this type of things, but most of them, uh, you've got a fixed number of PTO, and you can't, if you use that up, you're SOL.
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So uh it's really important to remember these teams are giving up a lot to do this.
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So when uh when they can get a top-level spiel into uh a two-day weekend, I think that's awesome.
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Yeah, I think it's an excellent idea.
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And I I was kind of hesitant about it, but when I first saw it, but now that I've seen it in execution, I'm pretty happy about it.
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I wish there were more things that were like that.
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Uh, the one thing going back to the prestige uh hotels one, uh it was interesting that there were both 24 teams in the men's and 24 teams in the women.
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And the women's team opted to do the women's draw, uh, was a pool play draw.
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So the teams uh four pools of six teams playing five games, and then the men's was a triple knockout.
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I have zero idea why both of them decided to do this way and why it was different when both had 24 teams in it.
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I have no idea, and I'd be interested if anybody has any suggestions because it was definitely a different number of games.
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Like Team Gim played five games and then had to win it.
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Three in the playoffs, eight games total they played, whereas like I think it was Team Yamaguchi and Team Hostley only played six games or seven games, something like that.
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It was a much smaller number of games, and it was interesting to see that that was the approach taken.
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This is this is something that seems to happen uh all over the place is uh different formatted events for the men's and the women's.
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And this even happens at the provincials.
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Um, I know Manitoba, PEI, New Brunswick, and for quite a while, Ontario, they had two different systems for their men's play downs and their women's play downs, one being a knockout, like a triple or a double knockout, or a modified triple or double knockout, or uh pool play.
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And uh if I had to gamble, anytime you find, and this is by the way, for our listeners who aren't diehard curlers, um, anytime you are watching curling and you see something really weird, like really weird rules or really weird traditions or really weird stuff happening, and you ask, well, why do they do it that way?
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The answer inevitably is just because we always have.
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Um, and I suspect that's the answer in this case.
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Why is the women's in one format and the men's in another?
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Because, you know, a hundred years ago it was a good idea, and no one remembers why now, and it's just because we always have.
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Yeah, and we'd like to see a lot more of questioning of that type of a situation and a lot more people uh breaking the norm as opposed to uh uh sticking with the norm.
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Some traditions are important and worth keeping.
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Some traditions you should look at and go, why are we still doing a lot of things?
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Why are we still doing it?
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Yeah, exactly.
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Is it helping us?
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Is it serving us?
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No, well then give it the boot.
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So that was a like a good week of curling.
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Now, we're gonna have to get to the painful part for us now, Kevin.
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Uh, we're gonna look at our predictions.
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We're gonna look at our predictions.
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Oh no, no, no, we're not.
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Are we and um and and see how well we did.
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Now, here's the best part.
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Last week was the first week we did predictions, and Kevin and I forgot to write all of our predictions down.
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Of course we did, but we tried to remember as best we could.
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So bear with me.
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We tried to remember best we could, and I know somebody's already shaking their head with their headphones in their ears, going, couldn't you guys just go listen to your episode?
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Well, we could, but that would you know take the fun out of it.
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And also, yeah, we realized we didn't write them down five minutes before recording.
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Exactly.
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Yes, we didn't have to be.
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We're writing them down for next week, though.
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We're probably writing them, yeah, we'll write them down for next week.
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So uh I do know that my predictions for the Prestige Hotels and Resorts Curling Classic was a win by Team Skrillick and a win by Team McDonald.
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Uh, clearly that's an 0 for two on that one.
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Uh yeah, yeah, that was an unfortunate one for you.
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Yeah, so I'm pretty sure I was 0 for 2 as well.
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I can't remember my men's pick, but my women's pick was Team Sturme, which uh unfortunately they went two and three and definitely did not qualify.
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That's just too bad.
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And then in Collingwood, I got a hit.
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I I bet on Nathan Young, and guess what?
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He won.
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So I am I I am pumped for that.
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I'm putting money on him at the next event.
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Uh I'm going to, you know, make a bet with with something or somewhere or somehow on Nathan Young.
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I'm sure somewhere there's something taking that bet.
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Uh, and also for for for your pick, Norm, we we there's another one we forgot to write down.
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We could not write.
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We got a little lucky on that there.
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This episode of Extra Ends is not sponsored by any gambling website or app.
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It's not a moral thing.
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We're just the one and only thing that the gambling apps have not thrown money at.
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If they did throw money at us, we probably wouldn't say no.
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But who knows?
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Anyways, we are not sponsored by any form of gambling.
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That isn't to say we wouldn't be down for a game of ends.
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Not at all.
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We will always play ends.
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Maybe not on weeknights, but definitely on weekends and Bondsfields, yes.
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Speaking of ends, this week.
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Okay, this week, in our view from the hack, uh we've mentioned it a couple times in this episode.
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I think it's the theme.
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Uh, the game of the drinking game of ends, which is a very, very popular game amongst curling clubs across the country.
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Like most things, it's there, it was invented to generate more revenue for the curling club.
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Um, but I'm not against it in this case.
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So uh let's for those of you who are new, those of you who are from clubs that may not have heard this rule of this game.
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Uh, Kevin, can you give us a description of what a game of ends looks like?
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Absolutely.
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So ends is a game where normally you have either eight or nine people involved.
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Uh, whether it's eight or nine, we will discuss based upon some rules of different clubs, etc.
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But nonetheless, you are betting on the result of one specific end that is occurring on the sheet that you are currently watching.
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Uh, normally you would pick an end of one game of a group of people who you know and like, or maybe you pick people you don't like.
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Nonetheless, you pick what you would view as an interesting game.
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And then you have a set of cards, normally uh from the numbers one through four, and everyone picks one card, and this will represent the colors of the rocks that are on the ice.
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Right.
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So there's eight or nine cards, and one through four red, and one through four yellow, or one through four blue, or one through four black, or whatever.
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But two sets of colors, four sets of numbers, and then one extra card.
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Yeah.
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And if the final result of the end is that your card is the card that matches what happened in the end from the shots that were made, you will need to go and buy a round at the bar for everyone that drew a card.
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So you're either buying eight or nine drinks.
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So you have a one in eight or one in nine chance of having to buy a drink.
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So it's pure gambling at potentially low stakes, but also potentially very high stakes with a risk reward, it's very challenging and you get very expensive very quickly.
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Now, just to help people visualize this.
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So the game, the game convener gets his eight cards, one through four yellow and one through four red.
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And I'm using yellow and red because those are the colors of the Royal Canadian Curling Club.
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You curling clubs that use blue and green, you're you're weird.
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Uh curling rocks are supposed to be yellow and red.
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Uh, we can get in that fight later.
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Um they have the eight cards, one through four yellow, one through four red, and then a blank card or a joker or something to be used for a blank.
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They shuffle the cards face down, they fan them out, and they give them out, and everybody draws a card, and that's your card.
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So say I draw three yellow, and as the end goes by, everybody's watching, working towards the end of the uh the the completion of the end, and if the score at the end of the end, the score of that end is three yellow rocks, I have to buy all seven or eight other people a drink.
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Yes.
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Okay, but it's it's it's potentially very expensive.
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It could be very expensive, but I have a seven and eight or an eight and nine chance of getting a free drink.
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That is why that's the benefit of this game.
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Yes.
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Ah, okay.
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I see how this is done.
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Yes.
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Now, we've kept these rules very general at this point, because like all things, like you know, anything in a curling club, there's local variations.
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Like whether it's a game of Euchre or uh what the rings look like or the color of your rocks, there's local variations.
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So there's nine versus eight cards.
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Kevin, what's the difference between a nine-card game of ends and an eight-card game of ends?
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So a nine-card game of ends is one where you have the one through four, as Chris had said, of each of the two sets of colors, and you throw in a joker normally as the wild card, which would then be in case the end was blanked.
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Now, in points bond spills, or skins, bond spills, this card is gold because no one ever blanks an end in these events.
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So that is the one where you're guaranteed a free drink when you see it happen.
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Now, if you are playing in a regular game that is out on the ice, blank is very much in play.
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And I have seen people buy rounds when they've had the blank card, and it's very amusing because they thought that they were just gonna be a drink very easily, but nonetheless, that is what the difference between eight and nine are, and it just depends upon what you try to play.
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Sometimes you can pull the blank out because they want everybody to be involved, they don't want someone to get a free drink.
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Other times it's because well, you can't exactly find eight nine people, so you find eight and you're gonna find eight, and that's that's good enough.
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The the other thing, so if I'm holding my my three yellow in my hand, and my best friend is the skip on yellow team, and I see that he's sitting two, and he's got a net, it's the hammer.
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He's got the hammer, he's sitting two, he's got a narrow draw for three.
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Now, can I put my card up against the glass and tell the wave them off and say, buddy, buddy, don't.
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You're gonna cost me seven drinks.
00:20:47.680 --> 00:20:50.559
Can I show the teams out on the ice my card?
00:20:50.799 --> 00:21:04.720
So the vast majority of clubs I have played at that is absolutely banned beyond like probably the biggest violation of anything you can do at any club is under no circumstances do you show that card to the people on the ice.
00:21:04.880 --> 00:21:17.680
Now, we have seen again at our aforementioned favorite Bond Spiel in the history of Bond Spiels, the Curl for Kids charity Bond Spiel on Easter weekend, that at that one, it is very well known that people show their card to those that are on the ice.
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And frequently people take their card and like stick it, like um, what's the game you play, heads up, where you put the card on your forehead.
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People do that, people put the card underneath their caps, all the things like that.
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That's very well known, and that happens.
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It doesn't impact the game in any capacity, anyways, but that is something that's a uniqueness depending upon your club.
00:21:36.319 --> 00:21:41.759
But the clubs I've been a member at, no, do not show your card to the people on the ice.
00:21:42.079 --> 00:21:49.599
Now, now now finally, when the cards have been drawn, um, is it uh when you you have to buy everyone a drink?
00:21:49.759 --> 00:21:55.759
Do I have to then run around after the end and take 10 different drink orders, or is there a simpler way of doing that?
00:21:56.079 --> 00:21:57.839
Well, there's a couple thank you for asking that one.
00:21:58.079 --> 00:21:59.680
There's a couple of different options, and again, it depends.
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Upon the location and the general guidelines at each of the facilities that you were participating in said event.
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Um, the one that is probably the simplest is some people just simply go up, and because the person that quote unquote won ends, it's probably more you lost at ends, you have to go up and buy a round, you get to choose which shot you're going to buy.
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So effectively, you do a punishment shot.
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So you pick something that you know people don't want to drink, so you would go up and buy a round of shots for all either eight or nine people that are participating in said games events.
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That is one option.
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Your other clubs are mean.
00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:41.680
Well, this is yeah, I know, like I'm saying, it depends upon what the rule is.
00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:43.759
But yes, you're right, it is very mean.
00:22:44.000 --> 00:23:09.839
Nonetheless, the other option is the one that I have seen frequently, and our club, I think, has perfected this, is where you take a piece of paper and you write down everyone's drink order of what they would specifically like name, uh, what card they have, and their drink order, so that when you go up to the bar after the game events is over, you go and you get the drink order, then come back with a tray and start handing the drinks out to everybody.
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You know who had what drink, so it's very easy to remember.
00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:13.599
That's helpful.
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And then you could even perfect that game even more by having the bartender pour the eight or nine drinks before the end's even over because you know it's all gonna be those drinks, and you just have to serve them.
00:23:27.279 --> 00:23:28.240
So go ahead, Chris.
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We have optimized, we have optimized for this at Royals.
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The uh we we we've created special, not just special cards to draw to understand what your what your what position you're going to be taking, but we have a special notepad that you fill out someone's name and you fill out beside it the drink.
00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:49.599
And it just goes through and you fill out all eight or nine people's name and beside it the drink.
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And it's usually you know not the clearest written, but as long as it's clear enough for the bartender to read.
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And then at some point, in the middle of the end, you take that up to the bartender and you hand it to them, and they'll keep an eye on the ice sheet.
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And as soon as the skips start throwing, they start pouring.
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So by the time the game is done or the end is done, there's nine drinks lined up at the bar with the card in front of it.
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So all the poor loser has to do is show up to the bar with their credit card, claim the nine drinks that have been ordered and poured, and begin distributing them.
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We are about efficiency when it comes to the consumption of our bar products at the Royal Canadian Cards.
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Exactly.
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Yes.
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So this is an absolute fun game, and this is a way we we make a joke about the about the bar side of it, but it's also a really fun way to get curlers involved in what's happening on the ice.
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So often in bond spiels, there's two different worlds there's what's happening on the ice and what's happening in the lounge.
00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:55.200
And this brings the two together and gets people watching the game and getting involved and and just sort of cheering for someone or against someone.
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Because as you sit there, and and this happened to me, by the way, this weekend at uh at the Rocktoberfest Bond spiel.
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The last game, the winners of each draw had to play one end, and it was called ends for end, or an end for ends, and it was one end game, and the goal was two twofold.
00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:23.119
One, that all the curlers in the lounge would play ends, and that uh the two each winners, one winner of each draw would play one end to decide who was the winner of the whole Bond spiel.
00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:28.480
And it's a little bit of a gimmick, but this is obviously meant for fun Bond spiels, but it was a lot of fun.
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We ended up with six different ends games going on on this one spiel.
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And through the entire end, one red, the people who had drawn one red were holding their breath because red would got buried early and stead that way.
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And it looked like it was going to be one red, and then suddenly a bad hit went the wrong way, and three yellow was in play, and then it was back down to two red.
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It was all over until finally a clutch draw was made by Pizzetti to bury a yellow rock behind multiple stagger guards, uh, completely inaccessible to sit one yellow.
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And while red had hammer and you know, the red, red, one red was nervous, and most of the yellows were comfortable.
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Most of the head, suddenly one yellow is sitting in the hot seat as red throws hammer and misses their shot, and thinking they were safe, all in, one yellow uh ended up having to buy uh many, many drinks.
00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:26.480
So in each game, whoever who drew one yellow had to buy the other seven drinks.
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And that was unfortunate for them.
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Kevin, ask me, ask me who had one yellow in my game.
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Who had one yellow, Chris?
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Tell me who had it.
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Yeah, I had one yellow.
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I I had one yellow.
00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:39.759
So uh didn't you buy ends earlier, too, in the day?
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Yeah, I lost a game earlier.
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I lost two games of ends uh over that Saturday.
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So um my my my curling uh bill at the end of the month is going to be significant.
00:26:50.480 --> 00:26:55.519
Uh so I'm uh gonna be taking it easy for the rest of the month, as one would say.
00:26:55.680 --> 00:26:56.160
Yes.
00:26:56.400 --> 00:27:02.079
I had two other small nuances to add to ends as an explanation.
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One is I have been uh been at or heard of bond spiels, where uh I believe this is more common in the United States of America, where as part of your entry fee for the bond spiel, uh booze is covered.
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So because booze is covered, people will play ends, but it's the other way around.
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You want your thing to happen because you'll each put in a$5 bill and you'll take the pot.
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So it's basically gambling for money on ends.
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So that is the one additional nuance.
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I didn't prep you for that one.
00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:37.759
That hit me as I was like as we're recording the podcast.
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I remembered this one.
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We keep talking about this.
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The CRA is gonna come looking for their own.
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I'm sure, yes.
00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:48.799
Yes, and one final one, which is a general guideline in any and all games of ends.
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Shout out to my friend and former skip.
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Shindy's card is always in play.
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You have to explain.
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So, my former skip, Greg Shindy, who's one of the biggest gamblers I know of, always does this.
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And no matter what happens, every single game of ends he's playing, he hates losing an ends, and he his card is always a very strong possibility is happening.
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It's a rule of ends.
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Fair enough.
00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:17.519
He is one of our listeners, so congratulations, Shindy.
00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:18.799
You got a shout out.
00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:28.799
So, if for those of you who haven't played ends in your curling clubs, or uh this is the first you're hearing about it, feel free to email us at overheard at extraends.ca.
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We can send you the rules in written form.
00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:37.119
But uh, by far, it's a great way to add fun to your events and usually increase increase revenue for your bar.
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:42.880
Moving on, we are moving on to our pregame roundup and what the week ahead's looking like.
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This is a big week, and this is uh this is the week before the grand slam in Victoria BC, but we have a large number of events going on this week.
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We have out in Pittikton, the New Floors Curling Classic, which is a top-level event out west, uh, always draws some of the biggest teams.
00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:08.400
We have the Stu Cells Toronto Tankard, the sister tankard of the Oakville Tankered that happened earlier in the year.
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Now it's the Toronto Tankard, uh, sponsored by Stu Cells.
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:14.960
And this regularly draws a lot of big teams.
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And then finally, we have the Autumn Gold Classic happening as well.
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The Autumn Gold Classic happens in Okatokes.
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It's essentially the women's version of the Okatokes spiel we talked about a few weeks ago.
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So we're gonna go through each one of these.
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We're gonna talk about some of our teams to watch, we're gonna talk about uh any intel intel we have from the ice makers out there, and uh, we're gonna give you a little bit of our take and a little bit of our predictions.
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So, uh Norm, why don't you start it off?
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Let's go to Pentikton and New Floors.
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Who who who are you watching?
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Yeah, I think there's a bunch of teams that we're watching because this is uh out in Pentikton, so very near Victoria, which is where the next slam, the first slam of the year is.
00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:59.200
And there's several teams that are prepping for the slam by going to that.
00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:05.119
I think our beloved team Botcher is one that uh we both have stakes in, that we're very interested in that team.
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:07.279
And then many other teams are looking at it.
00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:12.559
I think that was the one that I noted down on our sheet is the one that I'm looking at because they're really going for it.
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:15.920
And then, of course, team Hostley is going back in that one again.
00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:34.720
And then I believe uh our also our friend, uh our friend Jordan McDonald, I believe, is in that one as well, as well as many, many other teams rounded out by many of the BC teams that are using this as an opportunity to play a local event with a cross-canada and international flair to it.
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:45.200
All right, and this the I'm I'm watching the Swedes who are showing up, Team Erickson um with uh Oscar Erickson's team uh are showing up at this as well.
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:47.839
Uh, thankfully, Team Jacobs won't be there.
00:30:48.000 --> 00:31:01.680
So we we have yet to see a uh a serious spiel meetup between uh Team Erickson and Team Jacobs yet, but I'm sure that will come soon at one of the slams uh to see if there's any tension still there.
00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:12.000
Also, uh we have the Schwallers, which are is some of the best curlers in the world right now, which I think is going to lead to some absolutely great curling.
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:14.559
Uh I'm I'm very, very excited for this.
00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:19.440
Uh on the on the women's side, uh is there yeah, there's a women's side to this.
00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:22.640
No, the no, the women's side is in is the autumn goal classic.
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That's an overtoaks.
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Right.
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So in Pentikton's just the men's, and the women uh have their own spiel in Alberta.
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So yes.
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Someday we'll get like if I I suspect it's a matter of ice space, but uh so someday we get these events, you know, with with both genders at the same time.
00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:40.720
But so that's yeah in New Flyers.
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Uh the unfortunately, we asked uh Pentikton for their ice makers report, and all they said was, Who are you?
00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:50.720
Um I don't think that was the exact words we heard, yes.
00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:54.400
And so we have no icemakers report from uh Pentikton.
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No.
00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:59.119
This event is very much my take on this event is uh the prelude.
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This is the prelude to the slam.
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This is get yourself ready.
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This is the last time they get to see each other before the slam.
00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:09.599
Uh a lot of teams are doing this spiel instead of doing practice weekends.
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:16.000
So uh you can expect everyone to bring their A game and have a lot of good curling here.
00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:19.279
Uh, do you have any final takes on this before we make our predictions?
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:24.559
Uh no, I'm gonna attempt to make a prediction at some point on this one.
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:25.279
So go ahead.
00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:26.000
All right.
00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:28.640
If you're we picking two teams or one?
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How are we doing this?
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:30.400
We're picking winners.
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:31.279
Winners or nothing.
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:32.640
Oh, we pick winners only.
00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:32.880
Okay.
00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:34.240
Winners only.
00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:36.079
I'm going with Team Botcher.
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I'm going with Team Botcher for this one.
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:38.960
I have watched them.
00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:44.720
They've been in the semis of every event they've participated in so far, but in every event so far, they've gotten better.
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:46.880
I think this is the one they're gonna break through.
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:50.559
They're gonna do it, they're going to go through to the final and they're gonna win.
00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:54.079
Uh they're gonna win the new floors and curling classic.
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:54.720
Yep.
00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:56.480
No bias there from you at all.
00:32:57.200 --> 00:32:59.519
No, no, I'm no, no bias what's right.
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:01.440
And even if I was biased, I wouldn't care.
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:02.319
You wouldn't care.
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:04.960
You're trying to pick money the smart money way.
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:05.599
I get it.
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:13.599
Um, I will take then Team Yannick Schwaller, which is the relatively recently proclaimed um number one team in the world.
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:30.799
They surpassed Team Mowit uh with that, and um, they've had a very good start to the year, and uh looking for them to continue on, a very, very strong event as they continue forward and uh look to continue to improve upon their number one ranking and put them further away from everybody else.
00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:32.799
No, this is gonna be a great event.
00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:37.359
All right, let's come down to Toronto and the Stew Cells Toronto Tankered.
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:39.519
We uh we have some teams to watch here.
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:41.519
This is this is usually a big event, Kevin.
00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:42.799
What are you looking forward to?
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:51.440
I think this year, with what you just referenced with the slam being out west, in the past, the slams have been in and around Ontario somewhere.
00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:56.000
So the Stu Cells Toronto has normally been the warm-up event for that.
00:33:56.240 --> 00:34:08.880
This year, with the slam out west, those two events you the one we just talked about and the one we're gonna talk about, um, uh the men's and the women's events that are over there, many of the slam teams are using that as their preparation event for it.
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:12.239
And the Stu Cells Toronto is not uh that event.
00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:18.639
So, therefore, the field, while still strong and still good, isn't quite at the level as it has been in the past.
00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:20.000
I think that's a notable thing.
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:21.679
So, Chris, I don't know your thoughts about it.
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:27.840
I think we're pretty happy about the teams that are in it, especially for a spiel at our uh our sibling rival club.
00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:29.119
Yeah, I agree.
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:42.079
Uh it's it it it is uh it is a lot of Ontario teams, but what I found uh really interesting, and one of our teams to watch is Team Black out of Nova Scotia, who uh are making an appearance again.
00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:50.559
Um, and then we're also watching uh Team Park and Team Kim on the women's side, and then the men's side and team Epping uh to see how well they keep going.
00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:58.960
Um I have a couple takes on this, a couple takes on this event, but first, we actually do have an ice makers report from the Stu Cells Toronto Tanker.
00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:03.519
And I'm going live now to Kevin McDonald with the ice makers report.
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:09.920
I did tell him that the uh anything he told me was off the record, but now this part's gonna be the part that's on the record.
00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:12.239
So the number one We can't break off the record.
00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:13.760
I I understand.
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:19.199
The biggest thing I think is is in the Toronto area as we've now entered October.
00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:22.880
Um, the heat and humidity that has been very recent has broken.
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:28.480
So now that has made it significantly better for our uh our own club and for the Hyde Park Club.
00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:30.800
The Hyde Park Club can handle the heat pretty well.
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:35.199
Um, but like anytime things start to fluctuate is when it starts to get rough.
00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:40.000
But right now, uh the weather is looking really good to help with the event to impact the building.
00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:44.159
It is a building that's over 100 years old, so that that kind of helps.
00:35:44.239 --> 00:36:00.559
Um, rocks are being um textured uh tomorrow, and the ice will be in very good shape, but normally is at this event, and uh they've been doing some fine tuning and some solid work recently on several of their pieces of equipment to make sure that they put their best show on for this event.
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:02.320
I'm looking forward to it.
00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:08.559
So, one of the things I looked at this event and my take on it is I was surprised to see the number of Nova Scotia teams.
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:15.119
Nova Scotia is usually for lack of a better term, one of the struggling jurisdictions in the curling world.
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:24.400
We all remember the late, the great Colleen Jones, uh, who took that province and put it on the map from curling, uh, one of the hands-down best curlers in the world.
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:31.280
But outside of Colleen, the province had always sort of struggled to put a really strong program in the field.
00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:39.840
But then starting last year, a couple years before that, suddenly we have Team Black, we have a couple others, we now have three Nova Scotia teams uh coming to this event.
00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:46.400
And it looks like Nova Scotia is setting itself up to be a player on the national stage here in Curling.
00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:48.800
And I think that's just fascinating to watch.
00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:51.760
Uh, two comments to talk about what you just said.
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:54.320
Yes, absolutely, Nova Scotia's been coming.
00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:57.440
And if you look at the results, it's always a little bit of a trailing indicator.
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And it's a very interesting thing is to look at who won and how well provinces do at the Canadian junior championships.
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:16.320
And relatively recently, I'd say over the last five to seven years, which is including just slightly um pre-COVID, uh, the Nova Scotia teams have started to do really well and have won at those ones.
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:24.320
And so definitely Taylor Stevens is one of the ones that's here that was at the Scotties in Mississauga in in the um uh in this in January of this year.
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She made the playoffs at the Scotties as a first-time skip, which is amazing for a team that is effectively a full-on U-25 team.
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But seeing them come here for this would be good and be very interesting to see how well they do.
00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:38.079
So that's my first main point.
00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:56.320
My second main point is uh our uh former celebrity skip from um the Curl for Kids a couple years ago, Chris Rob Harris, is very angry at you right now for not recognizing that he did win the Briar on Team Mark Daisy from Nova Scotia and came bronze at the world a couple years ago many years ago, but still nonetheless.
00:37:56.639 --> 00:37:58.880
Nova Scotia does have a strong curling history.
00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:00.159
Let me be clear about that.
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:07.199
Uh but I mean in recent years, it is it is it has not been in the national spotlight in the same way that it had in the past.
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:08.400
Yes, absolutely.
00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:12.960
I just wanted to make sure you did a shout out to our friend, our friend Rob Harris.
00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:13.119
Yes.
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Their province is called New Scotland, after all.
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I suspect they do have some good curling lineage.
00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:18.960
What one would hope.
00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:20.159
Yes, absolutely.
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Also, we are also not sponsored by New Scotland Clothing.
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So let's move on.
00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:31.440
Uh Norm, do you have any other takes on this event?
00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:33.920
Um, no, I think it's a good one.
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It is on the Thanksgiving weekend, and it's starting on Thursday morning.
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So it's it is a five-day event, but it's a three-day long weekend.
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And I think um, initially from uh some reports I heard, uh the the club was a little hesitant when they first got it going of like, oh, I don't think anyone will play on Thanksgiving weekend.
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It's like, oh no, they will.
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And they've been coming ever since, and it does it's done quite well, except for the one year that we had at our club, but it is sticking at High Park, I think, for the the near future.
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So I think it's an excellent event.
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One that uh when it is in town, I really try to do my best to go see it.
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Uh, may not necessarily be the case this year, unfortunately, but um it is still one that I really like.
00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:18.159
And the High Park Club's an excellent club, and there's some excellent curling if you happen to be in the greater turnout area for the uh this weekend.
00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:20.960
So please pop on over there and check out some of the action.
00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:21.679
It'd be great.
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:23.119
Yeah, they said they do a great job.
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They do a great job hosting this event.
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They set up stands and bleachers so everyone can see it's it's great.
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All right, Kevin, here comes the critical moment.
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I went first on the last one, so you got to go first on this one.
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What are your predictions?
00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:39.519
Uh, winner for men and winner for women on the Stew Cells Toronto Tankers.
00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:41.199
Okay, so I need to pick one of each, right?
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One of the I will pick for the I will pick for the men, I will pick Team Epping.
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And for the women, I will pick the aforementioned from Nova Scotia, Team Christina Black.
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I think those are good choices.
00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:00.960
I um I'm going to agree with you on Christina Black.
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:04.159
I know it's not exciting, but uh, we can't have the same picks.
00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:04.719
That's part of it.
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:05.199
No, no, no.
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:06.559
We're either both right or we're both wrong.
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:08.480
Oh, we if we're trying to track this.
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:09.440
I mean, come on.
00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:10.320
Okay, fine.
00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:11.039
All right, fine.
00:40:11.119 --> 00:40:12.880
You will next time I'm going first, just so I can.
00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:13.920
Okay, fine.
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:20.000
Uh no, then I'm going to take uh Unjung Kim uh from Korea.
00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:24.800
I think um they've always given folks a run for their money, and uh I think they're gonna do it again.
00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:27.360
Uh what do I think on the men's side?
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Let's see.
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:28.320
I'm just sort of.
00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:31.599
No, you just said earlier that you're gonna pick Nathan Young and ride him the whole way.
00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:32.880
How are you not picking him again?
00:40:33.039 --> 00:40:34.719
Yeah, I'm picking Nathan Young again.
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:36.320
I'm picking Nathan Young again.
00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:37.039
And you know what?
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:37.840
Bonus points?
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:40.880
I want bonus points if it's a Greg Smith, Nathan Young fan.
00:40:41.039 --> 00:40:41.840
Oh, absolutely.
00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:42.960
I want a battle battle.
00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:44.239
Battle Newfoundland boys.
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:46.239
I want all Newfoundland battle.
00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:50.000
There might be more drinks consumed on the ice than off it if that's the case.
00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:51.840
All right, moving along.
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:59.360
We have one last event uh to review that's coming up this week, and that is the Autumn Gold Classic in Okatoks, Alberta.
00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:00.480
This is a woman's event.
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:06.719
As we said, it's a uh it's a sort of partner event to the men's event that happened a few weeks ago.
00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:09.519
Uh what are we looking at here, uh, Kevin?
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:11.519
Uh, what do you think this event's gonna look like?
00:41:11.679 --> 00:41:18.639
Looks like we have very similar to the Stew Cells, a lot of uh uh other sort of new teams or building teams.
00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:32.320
Yeah, I think this is another one where it's one of the Western events that uh has definitely local flavor of several Alberta teams that are in it, but it also has many of those teams that are prepping for the slam, like Team Anderson is in that.
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:42.800
And I know uh several of the Asian teams, the Japanese and Korean teams have uh mentioned that were in the uh Pentikton event are also coming back to Okotoks for this event as well.
00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:46.880
So I think those are many of the teams that we're looking for.
00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:49.360
And uh I'm noting as we go into it.
00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:52.559
I don't know if there's any specifically that you're interested in, Chris.
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:57.440
Listen, this this event is there's uh a lot of good teams here.
00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:06.880
I the one I'm gonna be looking at closely uh because they've they've done a couple events, but I haven't watched them, and I'm gonna make a point to watch a couple of their games is Team Negavan.
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:16.639
Um I want to I want to see what the what it looks like um with with um Selena in the in the skip position.
00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:20.639
Um Chelsea Carey's also a part of that rink, but I still don't think she's back yet.
00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:21.519
Is that correct?
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:24.159
Chelsea is still skipping that rink.
00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:24.880
Oh, okay.
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:25.199
Right.
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:26.079
Well she's skipping it.
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:28.239
She's listed on the site.
00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:35.360
I think she's like their fifth, as Selena is uh either about to or has recently delivered uh her children.
00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:35.920
Right.
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:37.280
That's that's what I thought.
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:39.920
So I think Chelsea's gonna do a great job here.
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:42.400
Uh friend of the podcast, Jessica Carey, yeah.
00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:46.079
Um is uh you know top-level Olympic level curler.
00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:48.159
So uh I want to watch this team.
00:42:48.320 --> 00:42:53.599
I think uh Team Inerson is uh their new form I'm gonna be watching as well.
00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:55.360
I'm very excited for it.
00:42:55.519 --> 00:43:00.559
Um and then it is I'll I'll admit it is always a treat to watch Team Hasselborg.
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:02.559
I was surprised they came back.
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:08.239
I thought they might be retiring and we might not see them again in this squad, but I am so excited to see them on the ice again.
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:08.639
Absolutely.
00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:15.599
They have over and over again been the team that pushes the rest of the women's field along with team Holman to get better.
00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:21.840
Um, and I think uh at one point it was sort of Hasselborg that lit the fire under Team Homan.
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:26.719
That if you want to get good, if you want to be unstoppable, you have to get by this team consistently.
00:43:26.960 --> 00:43:28.800
And uh Holman's done that.
00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:32.079
So I think uh I'm really excited for this event.
00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:34.079
I'm gonna have a lot of fun watching it.
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:38.159
So we uh once again we called the Okatux Curling Club.
00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:41.519
Um and they didn't say who are you, they said please stop calling.
00:43:41.840 --> 00:43:45.760
So uh we don't have an icemakers report from the Okatoks Curling Club.
00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:48.159
Um and we've sort of given you our take.
00:43:48.239 --> 00:43:50.400
So we're gonna jump straight to predictions here.
00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:56.719
Uh in in a random game that I just played in my head, I won, so I get to go first.
00:43:57.039 --> 00:43:59.519
And uh I am going to pick uh the two.
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:04.000
Win this event, I am actually going to pick.
00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:05.840
Let's see here.
00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:09.360
I'm going with Team Alina Pats.
00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:11.679
Oh, that's who I was gonna pick.
00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:16.960
Well, you're just gonna pick someone else.
00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:23.199
I'll pick Team Xenia Schwaller, the teams that have played each other, I think, the final of three or four events this year.
00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:28.000
Team Schwaller has not lost a game this year to anybody except Alina Pets.
00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:31.039
So it's about her time to win another one against her.
00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:31.840
So I'll do that.
00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:33.519
She'll break the streak.
00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:35.119
Alright.
00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:41.920
So, ladies and gentlemen, now for our one of our favorite segments, Coach's Corner with Rob.
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:43.679
Coach's Corner.
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:48.239
Rob, club season is starting up at Royals.
00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:54.960
Do you have any advice for anyone who may be struggling to get back into the swing of things?
00:44:55.519 --> 00:45:00.079
Again, Rob's not here, so I have no fing idea.
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:04.880
Well, we'll just have to put this question on hold and ask him when he's back.
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:05.920
Okay, thanks.
00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:06.719
Bye.
00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:12.320
All right, ladies and gentlemen.
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:15.599
Uh, we have a few more moments before the end of our podcast today.
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We hope you've had as much fun listening to this as we have recording it.
00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:22.400
We're on to our my favorite segment, overheard at royals.
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:29.440
And as Royals is open and uh doing business, there's a lot of things that are filling up the overheard at Royals inbox.
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:35.360
If you overhear anything at Royals, feel free to email overheard at extraends.ca.
00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:39.280
That email address again is overheard at extraends.ca.
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:50.239
Now, while we're not going to violate the confidentiality of our club's members AGM, there was one interesting comment going around the meeting last week at our annual general meeting.
00:45:50.400 --> 00:46:04.800
It was noted by some observant members that if revenue could be increased by a mere$2,000 per month, the Royal Canadian Curling Club would hit a monumental goal in terms of bar sales.
00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:13.440
So the challenge has been issued for the community, for the health of the club, for the health of our curling, and for bragging rights.
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:20.480
We're calling on Royals members to help us with this goal of increasing bar revenue by$2,000 a month.
00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:24.480
When the challenge was issued, the following was overheard.
00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:27.440
Well, I guess we can stay for one more.
00:46:27.679 --> 00:46:30.239
Are you gonna try to do this by yourself, Chris?
00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:30.960
Or what?
00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:33.519
Like, I can't imagine you would drink$2,000 a month.
00:46:33.599 --> 00:46:38.639
You're just trying to get more people to join the no, I think I think the members are up for the challenge.
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:41.679
I think the membership I know you think the members are up for the challenge.
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:44.960
$2,000 a month is one more round per person, give or take.
00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:45.599
Yeah, exactly.
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:46.960
We we can do this.
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:52.480
It's not even that, it's actually uh probably about one more round for every fourth person.
00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:53.119
There you go.
00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:55.679
So, you know, Mensley can do that alone.
00:46:55.920 --> 00:47:04.239
Um I I think that uh we can do this and hit this monumental revenue goal and also uh invest in our own club and invest in our community.
00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:06.400
It is for the health of the club, it's for the club norm.
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:07.039
It's for the club.
00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:08.639
It is absolutely for the health of the club.
00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:09.280
Yeah, it's for the club.
00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:09.760
Exactly.
00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:11.039
Yes, yeah.
00:47:11.440 --> 00:47:14.880
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us once again.
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This has been episode five of Extra Ends A Curling Podcast, covering the week of September 29th to October 5th.
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00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:33.920
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00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:46.239
And uh I would like to thank my co host, Kevin McDonald.
00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:47.360
Hi, thank you.
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Thanks, everyone.
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And ladies and gentlemen, please always remember that may hear ice be fasting curly in the shed and cold and ready at the bar.
