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Who do you wish you could have fought?
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The only guy from my generation that I never fought was Homulbaho.
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We were in the same weight, same bracket a few times.
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It just never happened.
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If a high performing entrepreneur came to you and they were stuck because they were winning and on paper, but feeling empty inside, what's the first thing you tell them?
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Maybe to look for the joy and the process itself and not hold your breath to the top of the mountain because the world is as flat from above as it is from below.
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How do we have this relentless, die hard killer instinct to just drive and crush and in the same breath be completely content with our current circumstances?
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And I think that the reason why that happens is you're looking at the top of a mountain, like it's gonna change how you see the world, where you will achieve some kind of internal utopia where everything is gonna be perfect, and that will last two days.
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Alright, I'm super stoked.
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I'm here today with Robert Drysdale.
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He is what I consider a mentor, friend, and one of the best registic competitors in history, in my opinion.
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And he also has something very unique.
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He's a real life modern-day martial artist and philosopher.
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And that's kind of I think our biggest connection, Robert.
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And I just want to introduce you and just maybe let the, you know, let the audience know about yourself.
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Thanks, Mark.
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Thanks for the kind words.
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It's uh the feeling is mutual.
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Consider you a friend and happy to be here talking to you and be able to share some of my experience.
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Uh been in martial arts going on 29 years now, and uh never look back.
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I've been coaching for 25, uh quarter of a century.
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It makes it makes me sound a lot older than I am.
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But that's how long I've been teaching to Jitsu and training, and uh, I love what I do.
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I'm very, very fortunate to be to have been at the right place at the right time, around the right people.
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It was it's been an amazing journey.
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That's awesome, man.
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Yeah, I I remember when you first came to Vegas, I think it was like 2007, 2008.
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It was me, you, I think Mo and Karen Diffley all having lunch and just talking about what you're gonna do.
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You weren't even gonna open up the school at the time.
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You're like, I don't want to open up a school.
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But um, I'm curious because you played this interesting dynamic between Portuguese and English, Brazil and the U.S.
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You said you kind of ran into the right people and you didn't start jujitsu till a little bit later.
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You were almost like a full-blown adult.
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So maybe you can kind of talk about that.
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Yeah, well, but I mean, despite what people might think, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu was not popular in Brazil prior to Hoy's Gracie.
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It was the UFC and Hoyce Crazy that like that that launched the whole revolution in Brazil.
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The ref the jiu-jitsu revolution happened in Brazil and the United States simultaneously.
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A lot of people don't know that.
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The main difference is that in Brazil there were plenty of black belts that came, you know, people that had they had retired, they're hung up their ghys and belts, and they're like, I'm gonna do something else.
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There's no money in jiu-jitsu.
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So when the boom happened, a lot of these guys came back and said, Oh, I'm gonna start teaching.
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That's what happened in my hometown.
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My my original coach, Octavio, he was he was a uh he was a swimming coach.
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And then when people found out he was a fifth degree black belt, everyone's like, hey man, why don't you start teaching class?
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And this is like 95.
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And he's like, Oh, sure, I'll start teaching class again.
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So we had a fifth degree black belt to teach us, you know, which was even in Brazil, was pretty rare at the time.
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Uh, but there were not many people teaching jiu-jitsu in Brazil.
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It was a very obscure, well, most people never heard of it.
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It was certainly overshadowed by kung fu, taekwondo, karate, much like in the US.
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It was no different.
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But there were a lot of practitioners that were just dormant in in Brazil.
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But I I I was very fortunate, man.
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It was I started when I was 16 and I never looked.
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I remember I was just visiting my original coach, and I remember standing there at the entrance of the mats talking to him, just like a month ago.
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And I said, I remember looking at these mats and standing right here and looking at myself wearing a ghee, and I saw some guys were already rolling.
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And I remember thinking to myself, not necessarily a thought, but a feeling, more feeling than an actual thought.
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And it was like, this is it.
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I I felt like I felt at home, like this is what I've been looking for.
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And it was a very rare feeling, but I knew I had found what I'd been looking for.
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That's amazing.
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I think that you had such a blessed opportunity because so many people never find what they're looking for in this life, and they're kind of, you know, I think shaken up by it as they grow older.
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So I think it's an awesome blessing.
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I'm curious, you know, I I watched you on a couple other podcasts recently, and I wanted to dive into this right away because and we can talk about your accolades and you know, you submitting Marcella Garcia and ADCC and all those things, but I'm more curious about your philosophy.
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I mean, I think so much has changed since then, and I think you and I both agree that it's getting pretty diluted, you know.
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And I'm curious your thoughts on that type of school and what you grew up in compared to what you're seeing now and what you're trying to bring forward.
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Yeah, I I mean it's it's the it's a so it's an old uh theme, you know, the old grumpy man is complaining about these young kids, you know.
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It's such an old theme, and it seems like it's cyclic cyclical because it's you know, it's the same story.
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The liberals of today are the conservatives of tomorrow and so on.
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And there's some truth to that.
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Um sorry about that.
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But I think there's more to it.
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Like I I often say it's not a cycle, it's a spiral downwards.
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It is, I mean, compared to compared to I mean, compared to my grandfather, I feel like like a crybaby.
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You know, my my grandfather was yo, he would grow up in a cornfield.
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He was working when he was eight years old.
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He got his first toy, his first birthday present when he was 16 years old.
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It was a little rubber ball for him to play soccer because he just wanted to play soccer.
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But he's been working in the cornfield since he was eight years old.
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So compared to him, I'm a whiny bitch.
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Sorry, forgive my English.
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But come some of the some of like the Gen Z type, I feel like John Rambo, you know, like it's and I think there has been, and you I think you can identify you can spot like technology is one reason.
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Life got simpler and people are less they have weaker fiber.
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Life got very comfortable, comfort became the norm.
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So when you're not a comfortable, you know, like people panic, like things have to be the way they want.
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Even poor people, I feel like live very lavishly in the United States.
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You know, I I see people throw clothes away all the time, those shoes away because it has a little hole in it.
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I remember, like, I remember like if I had shoes, I'd put duct tape over it.
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Like I'd use where use the shoe for another six months before I threw it out.
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But in the US, even poor people do, they just throw it out and buy a fresh one.
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It's fresh, fresh.
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They need new things all the time, wearing new clothes all the time.
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And I I was raised until your sh your t-shirts have holes in it, you keep wearing the same thing.
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So I think a lot of the education has gone downwards, you know.
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Like we know that the standards have been lowered.
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I think reading levels have lowered a lot.
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Like I I had noticed this because even I mean the jujitsu community, like it's it's there's not that many readers now.
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I'm actually sure.
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I mean, I would like there to be more, but I I don't know.
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It's something's changed.
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And I think technology has a plays a big part in this.
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I mean, that's always been the case.
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The world's always changed, life goes on.
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You know, I of course people have nostalgia of how things were.
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Um, but I I I I think you gotta be careful with this young new approach.
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Not everything that is new is better than old, and vice versa.
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But you have to look at like take a jiu-jitsu, for example, it's closer to home.
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But I think this example applies to everything.
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We we presume that something that is developed in 2026 is necessarily better than something that was developed 20 years ago or 100 years because it's new, because we think in terms of iPhone.
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The iPhone 13 is better than the 12, the 14 is better than the 13, and so on.
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But the example I always use, and the rear naked choke is still the number one submission in BJJ, and it's a very old move.
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So that that I that that that that's not a good hypothesis.
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Like we have to think like what are what what what determines the quality of something?
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Well, how efficient is the move?
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Right?
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The rear naked choke is highly efficient.
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Who cares if it's older days?
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It's not important, ugly, pretty, it doesn't matter.
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These things aren't metrics we should even be considering.
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And when it comes to values, I think we should look at it the same way.
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And a lot has been lost in the popularization of jujitsu and the changes the world has undergone since the internet and and and social media.
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I think we have less deep connections with people.
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I know I I feel there's a lot of like, oh, I have friends of friends online.
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None of them are you, how any of your real friends?
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I see this in jiu-jitsu, it's a very promiscuous, it's a promiscuous environment.
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You're training with one guy today, the next day you're giving advice on how to beat the guy you were training with.
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And it's just like Vegas is a perfect example of this.
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It's so promiscuous.
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And everyone's friends with everyone, right?
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Quotation marks.
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But is that real friendship?
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I mean, I to me, like a friend is like that die hard or ride or die kind of friend, where you go, like, this is this guy will take a bullet from me.
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And I have friends like that, and I can count them on my right hand.
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It's it's a rare, and I think it's hard and hard to develop that in an environment where the relationships have become more artificial and there's a lot less community.
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And I I think these are like some things that have been lost, and they're there were good things, they're important things.
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Yeah, I agree with you completely.
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I talk to people about this all the time is that like these the suffering that you go through creates bonds, it creates intelligence, it creates connection, it creates grit.
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And we we're trying to remove everything hard.
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There was an article in the 90s, Robert, and it said the average college student today lives better than John D.
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Rockefeller just because of technology.
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And that was in the 90s, you know?
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And I was thinking about reading.
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So my book publisher, she was just she always posts all the time, and the decline of reading is tremendous right now, and it's so important.
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And they've proven even just writing as opposed to typing, what it lights up in the brain.
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And then there was another guy I saw on the internet about just talking about art in general, and it's like, oh, you know, we can just make all AI AI right now, and it's no big deal.
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It's like the struggle that you had to suffer for 10 years to learn a skill, whether it's jujitsu or drawing, is what the journey is all about.
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And I think I'm scared and I'm curious your on this.
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I'm afraid that if we make everything so easy and nothing is challenging, we're literally removing the joy of everyone's life because we I mean you both, I know have some friends I don't want to talk about in Vegas, but we I think you know the same guys where they're kind of trust fund kids, and you can see the emptiness in these people into their 40s because they've never had to earn anything.
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You know, I'm curious your take on that.
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I I make your words my own.
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Hamlet is miserable for a reason.
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He's a prince.
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He never had to work a day of his life.
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The man doesn't have a family, doesn't have children, he has never had a job, he's miserable.
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Like I have a friend of mine, not a not a a reader, just like a very like jujitsu guy.
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And he goes, You would have noticed that only rich people have the pressure.
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It's like a first world.
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Poor people are too busy working hard to have the they don't have time to have the pressure, they're too busy struggling.
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And I think there's some truth to that.
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I mean it's a joke, it's not uh it's not something to take in that seriously, but I I think there's some truth and when when you don't have things to struggle for, I think that's when that's when things get hard.
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Like you you you you need things to struggle for.
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Jiu Jitsu is one of them, there are others, but I I I think the level of the automation of the world is is is something that I don't think people see what is being lost.
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Meaning is being lost.
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Because if everything is handed to you, you no longer have to hunt on a show you something.
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This this book is largely about this.
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This is something I released in August.
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And if you get to the conclusion and the um and the epilogue, uh it's it's about this.
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It's about the loss of meaning due to life being coming so automated, or you press a button and Amazon delivers food to your your front door.
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Well, 10,000 years ago you had to go kill something if you wanted to eat.
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And there was an adventure there, there was merit there, there was struggle there, there was bonds you created with friends because you would hunt as a group and you create true community, and and it was exciting, and you're the hero of the village for a few days if you got if you killed something, or if you, you know, because you fed the whole village and so on.
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And I think these things are valuable.
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And you know, we lose some of that joy when you press a button, Amazon delivers meat to your door.
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Like, sure, that's convenient, but what about the hunter?
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What happens to the hunter within?
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What happens to the swimmer within?
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And this is why I think athletics are never been more important, because I think athletics give you that, not just jujitsu, whatever you're into.
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It gives you that.
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And and I when I mean athletics, I don't just mean that the compet of the race where everyone gets a medal.
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I'm talking about competition.
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I'm talking about like people doing this, me trying to beat you, you trying to beat me, and I think that's extremely healthy.
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A lot of people frown on competition, and because we have this, we live in this time of the ethos of equality, like equality was some grand achievement.
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I always say that there's you look at a tree and there's not a single leaf that is identical to the leaf next to it.
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They're all different.
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Like there's no equality in nature.
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Like it's just how it is.
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It's just and people don't like competition for that reason because it creates a hierarchy.
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And hierarchies are difficult.
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You have to struggle for them.
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You have to try hard to rank and and fight and win a tournament.
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And if you don't try hard enough, you're gonna be last.
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No one wants that.
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Everyone wants a medal and a trophy and a field and be a winner, but they don't want to struggle.
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And I and I think this is this is why I think these ideas of equality are are so popular in 2026 because they're so compatible with sloth.
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Like you can be, it's easy to be equal.
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Like it's hard to be different, it's hard to be to accept the hierarchy and the competition.
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But I think that there's something that's gained.
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People think that this is that this is detrimental to the human spirit.
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I don't believe that.
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I think it's this is what elevates the human spirit, is that you fight hard and you and you have a rival and you have someone trying to beat you, and you this is so healthy.
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It keeps your mind busy.
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Talk about meaning.
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You get a guy across the mats from you trying to beat you, and you have to do conditioning and diet and and cut weight and compare your tactics and like have everything line up because you gotta beat this guy.
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Talk about purpose, and you know, like this is this is great for the mind.
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It's extremely healthy.
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To me, it has been.
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Like, okay, I lose.
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So what?
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So what?
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Try again next year.
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Keep up the fight.
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The fight in itself has a lot of value.
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It's not the metal.
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That's what people don't get.
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It's not the metal, it's the fight itself.
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And I I am critical of a lot of these changes because the things we're talking about, that they have been we're and we're watching them, we're losing them.
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You know, little.
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We have like, I think they have like games at schools now with no scoreboards, I've heard recently.
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I believe it sounds like something they would do.
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So no one really won.
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You think you're helping when you do that, right?
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The people they this this this pedagogy of of everyone's a winner.
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They think they're doing a good to the world.
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They have no idea how much harm they're doing to this children.
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Yeah, I think they're doing a tremendous amount of harm and they don't know it.
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And I was just thinking, like, first of all, hierarchy is completely and totally natural and native to human beings.
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It will never go away.
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Ever.
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And also just opportunity in general, like equal opportunity, yes, not equality.
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It's equal opportunity to see if you can be equal, and you're probably not.
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And I love the mat because like I was living in a Rancho Santa Fe area for a while, and all these guys would come down with their Lambos and shit, and you know, they're just ballers and they go to Studio 540, and some 14-year-old kid on a bicycle just whoops their ass, you know.
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And it was it was great to see because it's like, I don't care how much money's in your pocket, what you drove up in here, and this is the ultimate equalizer, is the mat, man.
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And it's a very real environment.
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It's a very real environment.
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To me, people, you know, I've studied martial arts my whole life.
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I did I did a martial art called Sans Tzu, it was reality-based, we taught military, all that.
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I did Mui Thai, I fought professional MMA.
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Nothing compares to jujitsu or wrestling, but I think jujitsu even more, where you can go that hard and that violent without actually really harming the guy at times, so you can actually get real life.
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It's the only place you can get real life.
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You can't do that in Muay Thai.
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You spar like that, you'd be knocking each other out in two seconds.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You're absolutely right.
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It offers enough conflict within a more controlled environment, less impact.
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Like I agree, less impact in judo and wrestling, even though they're also grappling ours because you're on the ground, but you still walk away exhausted and it's highly competitive.
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It's very it's emotional and it's intellectual too.
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Like there are different, so many layers to to jutsu in terms of how competitive it is.
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I agree with you, man.
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Like this is um, you you get to be human, that that competitive side, that hunter gets to find expression.
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He finds a vehicle to like, I get to manifest the competitive animal within.
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Because a lot of times people try to put a lid on this and they go, like, oh, this is not good.
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You should not have that animal inside of you.
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Like, well, it it is.
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It's it's human.
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It's called being a human.
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You wouldn't be able to put a lid on it.
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It doesn't work.
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It never has.
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You create sports.
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That's that's what you do.
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You create sports, you have this avenue now for people to be the best versions of themselves.
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Be become like an Olympic old medalist, become a hero, right?
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Because you have something that that that is you you get to excel w within the gifts that you were given.
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I think it's so healthy, man.
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When when people frown on competition, I'm always like, man, I I don't I I just don't like I don't understand it.
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Like, where it's normally coming from people that don't compete or never have, and they just had a bad experience as a child, maybe.
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But man, if they had just passed that hurdle on stay, I I think it's incredibly healthy.
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I think we need jiu-jitsu more than ever.
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We need not just jujitsu, but whatever you happen to be into.
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I think jujitsu is just to your point, it can broaden, it's a bigger audience than Muay Thai because there's more longevity to it, right?
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But I think it's um I think it's it's it's it's it's incredibly needed, right?
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In this this age of automation, it's never been so important.
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I agree.
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I was thinking too about the repression of the male young man, where he needs to integrate his violence, he needs to integrate his nature.
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And when you repress that, he doesn't know how to express it.
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And I think that's where you see school shootings and all this crazy transgender stuff and all these things.
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They don't know how to express themselves because they're being literally oppressed in its own way.
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But I did want to touch on something because I know you're gonna say something on that.
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One thing I love about jujitsu for the audience is I can go to Barcelona right now, I can go to Mexico City, I can go to Dubai, and I can walk into almost a ready-built family like that.
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Bam, anywhere I travel, it's I've never seen a more welcoming community in my life.
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I'd go down to but sure.
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They might want they might try to tap me out and rip my head off once in a while, but most of the time it's like you got a built-in crew, you know?
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They will try to beat you, but that's not bad.
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Like they're not trying to hurt you.
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There's a difference.
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Like, oh, the person beat me up, and we people look at that like it's something terrible.
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And I'm always like, no, that's she's helping me.
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Like that's how you help people is by beating them up.
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It's a very totally naturalistic view on people that you would help them by beating them up.
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It sounds like how can that be the case?
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And that's exactly how you help them.
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You expose them, you show them where they're wrong and more they can be better, and you do that by beating them.
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Hope they're gonna hurt their feelings.
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Like, that's the point.
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It is the point.
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I'm curious your take on what I said about the repress the oppression of the young man today and his inability to express himself because he he's not allowed to show his violence and his aggression.
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I'll give you a good example: Mike Tyson and Costumado.
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Mike Tyson was on his way.
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He spent life in prison.
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That boy would have turned into a violent criminal and Costumato not understood what we're saying.
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And he saw that violence and that potential and said, and I think he uses that term.
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This is my revenge against the boxing world.
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I love Costumado.
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My revenge is better.
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He's better, he's angriest coach, you know?
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And then he finds this boy and he's an animal, and he says, We're gonna train you into becoming a world champion, youngest champion in the history of boxing to this day, I believe, right?
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19.
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Oh, and then Cuss did that because he understood what we're talking about.
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Now, if you go with the pedagogy of let's put a lid on this and let's get rid of this violent animal you have within, what would have happened to Mike Tyson?
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Would he have converted into becoming a monk?
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Or would he become a crime?
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I think it's more likely to be he would have become a criminal.
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Like he would have gone the complete opposite route.
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Like all this talent, I think had these guys found a calling early on, I think we would have had a lot less, the prison population will be a lot smaller around the world.
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I don't think you can get rid of crime, but I think a lot of crime comes down to people that never found a true calling in their life, and they end up immersing themselves in the wrong kind of hierarchy.
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Like in Brazil, if you're born in the slums, the pinnacle, the social pinnacle is being a drug dealer.
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It's not being a lawyer.
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Like no one in the slum wants to be a lawyer or a doctor.
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They want to be a drug.
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That's that's the guy that gets all the ladies.
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He gets all the respect and prestige.
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It makes sense, right?
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Like, but but that's because it was a negative hierarchy that was created there instead of like, hey, why not become the best boxer in the world?
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And if you don't fail, that's okay.
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Look at what life you live because of your due to your struggle.
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These things are missing, man.
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Like, I'm happy to have this conversation with you.
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I'm happy that there's still people that think this way.
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But I feel like the the we're talking of masculine values here, but it's such an effeminate time to be alive.
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I feel like Ian was already automate automatically the by default, the villain.
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And it's just a very strange time to be alive.
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Chris Williamson just talked about it.
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I think it was like 72% of women, they didn't have the best outlook on men, and only 7% of men agreed with that.
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And it's interesting.
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And I was thinking about what you said about the favelas, and I've talked about this on my podcast before or with other guests I'm saying.
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And I mean, my main goal at 14 years old, Robert, was to go to the penitentiary because my uncle went, my grandfather went, and that's where you kind of became like the man, right?
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And so I don't think people understand that if you take these young men and you just kind of steer them in a specific direction.
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Like, listen, if your uncle's a hedge fund manager, you're gonna want to be a hedge fund manager.
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If your uncle's the baddest vato on the block, you're gonna want to be that guy.
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And I think that people don't understand that about human nature and that men inherently aren't bad.
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They just need to be directed.
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And there's so much beautiful energy there.
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You know, and I think that's what we're missing in society, society today, just to completely completely piggyback off of you is how do we direct these young men and have mentors like myself and you teaching in schools and bringing them up, you know, or even in Costa Rica, what what I forget his name, but what he's doing, you know.
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I think that's so awesome to take those kids in and train them.
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And I think the more aggressive, violent male nature you can express at a young age in a healthy manner, I think the healthier society will be in the future.
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100%.
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You're trying, you're trying to you're trying to suffocate an animal and you wonder why it's screaming inside, you know.
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Like it does, it doesn't look I and I think it comes down to a pedagogy that's very, very ingrained in American schools.
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Unfortunately, the world copies the US in the worst possible ways.
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I say this to my Brazilian friends all the time.
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Brazilians copy Americans in the worst possible ways, not the best great things about this country.
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Brazilians don't even know about them.
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But when it comes to the bad things, like our problems, they all get imported to Brazil somehow.
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Like, why would you import us?
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Those are American problems.
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Why would you be why would you bring them over here?
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But they do.
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And this includes this pedagogy of everyone's a victim, you know, that everyone's got to be a winner and no one gets left behind.
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You can't repeat a grade.
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As a result, no one's learning.
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You lower the standard.
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Oh, this book is too hard.
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Just you know, read a synopsis of it.
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Like, well, like what do you call the the the testing with the X is what is an info?
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What do you call it?
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Multiple choice or multiple choice test.
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You just lower the bar.
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It could be lowering the bar.
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And then as a result, these kids don't know how to read, they don't know how to read, they don't know how to think, they don't know how to vote.
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And then you get you it it's it it it trickles down to every aspect of of of life in a in a republic because it starts with family, it starts with education.
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The first unit is a family, the second one is school.
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And if they're both corrupted, why are you surprised that that you you know you you have I don't want to get political here, but let's be frank here between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump, I I can't tell like really these are we went from Thomas Jefferson to this.
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How did that happen?
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How did we go from Thomas Jefferson to Kamala Harris and Donald Trump?
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Something happened, man.
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Like you can't tell me that the word this is a healthy republic when those are our options.
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Like something happened.
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And what what happened?
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And I think it starts with the schools, family first and school second.
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And it's something is broken along the way.
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You know, something isn't working.
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I think it started personally, and we don't have to even dive into this, but if you want to, it's just the the two whole household income.
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I think when you start to remove the mother from the home and break all that down, you created a situation which was kids being raised like latch key children and just not having real parental guidance.
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It just created a totally different dynamic.
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And I know that there are some, listen, I am all for equality and women be able to make choices and do things like that.
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But when you remove the main caretaker from the home, I think it changes the whole dynamic.
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You know, the the problem started when, and I don't know when this started or where this idea comes from, that being a CEO ranks higher than being a mother.
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And that's very strange to me.
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But I think being a mother is the most important job on the planet.
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I don't mean a job in the technical sense of the word, but in the broader, like your it's your role as a human.
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It's the toughest job, man.
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It is the toughest and most important.
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The most important.
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Like how I mean a mother is infinitely more important to society than a CEO.
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But like at some point, people have been convinced that being a mother is like below you.
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That's like, oh, that's a shitty job.
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That's not important.
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Like, that is the most important job.
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And yeah, and I'm with you, I'm all for freedom of choice for everyone.
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But at the same time, there are consequences to this.
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You know, I've I've been I got married recently.
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And my wife uh she's from Kazakhstan, Central Asia.
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And um, one of the first conversations we had early on when we were talking was how she wanted to be a mother and a and a and a wife, and she wanted to quit her job and just work for the family.
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And like that was just like major green flag.
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And I'm like, amen, that's what I want.
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I want a happy family.
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What's wrong with that?
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But that is frowned upon.
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Like her friends would try to talk to her, like, no, you have to keep your career.
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And I'm like, for what?
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I I I mean, what's I I don't know, man.
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It's it's there's a cost to that.
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I I agree.
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I think the family unit has been severely damaged in the West.
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I can't speak for other countries, but in Brazil and the United States, especially in the United States, even more than Brazil, they like it's it's almost like non-existent.
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You know what?
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Like when I was visiting her family in Kazakhstan, her parents, I can't remember if it's her mom or dad or one of her someone or friends, I it was someone, I can't remember who, but asked me this question Is it true that in your country they have uh hospices?
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Oh not hospice, like uh assisted living, right?
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And then I was like, that was the first, I never thought about that because their grandma lives with them and she has dementia, but they take care of her because that's what you do.
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And then to them was like kind of like almost like absurd.
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Like you guys really let your parents just rotten up.
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And I'm like, man, that was terrible that we do that.
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We I I never considered it, right?
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And it tweeted her own.
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I some people might have circumstances where this is necessary, but you know, there's something there's something wrong.
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There's something that doesn't so well if you these people take care of you their whole lives, and now that they need you, you're gonna just drop them off and say goodbye.
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Like, I don't know, man.
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It's something's been lost.
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You know, I think you said basically you said repercussions are like trade-offs, right?
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Like everything's a trade-off.
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And I think what people don't realize is like, sure, like you have two daughters, I'm sure if they wanted to be whatever they want to be, you want to encourage them.
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But I think in the same token or same boat is you kind of think there is a trade-off to that.
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Sure, awesome.
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I want this female to be able to do whatever she wants in her life.
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And also, if we have no mothers at home, what does that do to society as a whole?
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And what you start to realize is men, I think, even look at society as a whole a little more than women realize.
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Like we've created this whole infrastructure thing, and women's job is to help with that infrastructure in different ways.
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And if we split that off, we are seeing the repercussions.
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Like, I don't know what the next 20 years are going to be like, but it's not looking good.
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I can tell you that.
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And the US as a whole is falling off, and other places are rising up because they have that family cohesiveness.
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Well, they they they function well within.
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You know, there's that the family, I again to your point, it starts with the family now.
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If that isn't working, you can't expect any other aspects of society to work.
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Like if the family starts with a family, and then this is something that's been completely abandoned.
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The focus goes.
00:26:35.839 --> 00:26:39.039
I I used to be highly I still, you know, follow politics.
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I I agree, but I don't I'm not political as a person anymore.
00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:43.920
I've I've abandoned most of my positions.
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And the reason being is like at some point I realized like it doesn't matter what parties in power.
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If the family unit isn't working, it really doesn't matter.
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It's the country's not gonna work.
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You can put the most competent people in power, like this, it's not gonna make a difference, man.
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The country's not gonna work where moms and dads aren't like doing their job.
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And I I'll I'll give you another one, man.
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And like I deal with this all the time.
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I deal with parents all the time.
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Don't some of people don't know how to be parents, they they don't discipline their kids at all.
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Zero discipline.
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The kids have zero respect.
00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:15.440
So they bring them to jujitsu so I can do their job for them.
00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:16.799
Okay, I'll do my best.
00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:19.039
But they come in, you think they let me do my job?
00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:20.079
They don't let you do your job.
00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:24.319
The second you like if you can't say anything, the kid then does whatever they want, there are no repercussions.
00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:27.200
And then if you say anything, oh my god, you can't talk to my child like that.
00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:29.440
I'm like, you see how your child is talking to me.
00:27:29.599 --> 00:27:31.440
And I presume that he does the same thing to you.
00:27:31.599 --> 00:27:33.039
My dad's a school teacher, okay?
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:35.440
Like he's got nightmares on the stories he tells me.
00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:37.279
I'm just like, he's retiring now, fine.
00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:42.559
But like so happy that he's retiring because I feel bad for him because he's such a good, kind-hearted human being.
00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:44.559
That he doesn't deserve to be treated like that.
00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:45.920
But there are no concepts.
00:27:46.079 --> 00:27:53.119
You can't say anything, you can't do anything, you can't coach them, they can't fail a grade, they can't, they, they, they have these perfect little angels.
00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:54.640
They can't be called on anything.
00:27:54.799 --> 00:27:56.079
And then they grow up to be assholes.
00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:57.119
And I don't know what people think.
00:27:57.200 --> 00:27:58.880
I don't understand the spectacle.
00:27:59.039 --> 00:27:59.839
I don't understand.
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You think that the day they turn 18, they're gonna turn into solid citizens.
00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:08.000
So you raise them to be these little entitled little shits their entire lives.
00:28:08.079 --> 00:28:10.960
And the day they turn 18, they're gonna turn into mature adults.
00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:12.559
You really truly believe that.
00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:15.279
Like I saw- I think that's the soft feminine approach.
00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:16.960
I get it, and it's exactly what it is.
00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:18.480
It's an effeminate world.
00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:20.400
Like it's and then people say that it's a man's world.
00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:22.480
I'm like, I don't know what world you guys are living in.
00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:25.519
These are all feminine, these are very like effeminate values now.
00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:29.119
Like you just feel sorry and you give them another chance, and poor kid, poor kid.
00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:30.400
And there's a place for that in the world.
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:33.759
I'm not neglecting the role of love and compassion in the world.
00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:37.359
But there there must be what Nietzsche called an economy of compassion.
00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:42.000
He uses that term, and it's he's not against compassion, but an economy of compassion.
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You just don't give it away all the time for free.
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:51.039
Like, no, no, no, because if you give it a that's the other thing, give it away to people that don't need it when you're not gonna have any left to the people that actually do need your compassion.
00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:54.640
So there I do believe that it isn't it should be an economy of compassion in these things.
00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:56.480
You don't give it away for free all the time.
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Do you deserve it?
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Do you need it?
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No.
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Then okay, so what you need is get study harder.
00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:04.240
Oh, I can't read this book, try again, try again, try again.
00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:05.359
So you figure it out.
00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:06.960
Or I can't win this tournament.
00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:08.640
Well, keep what are you gonna do, man?
00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:13.200
Like, and then it's this this this idea that if things are easier, things would be better.
00:29:13.359 --> 00:29:15.519
And Mark, we're we're watching it happen.
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:16.240
It doesn't work.
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It's completely obvious.
00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:21.039
I even think when you look at some of the women, like, I don't understand why the guys are like this today.
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:22.319
Why can't I find any men?
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:23.680
Where's the real men in the world?
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:25.039
It's like, this is what you created.
00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:26.319
I mean, you have what is it?
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:30.640
I think 80, 90% of psychologists and school teachers are all female, you know.
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:36.079
And I think that I remember that now I'm going back 20 years ago when I was teaching at No Rules down in Henderson.
00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:39.200
These parents, the kid would start crying, and this is 20 years ago.
00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:40.960
I'd be like, nope, get off my mat.
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:42.240
Don't you stay right there?
00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:43.200
And I wouldn't let them on the mat.
00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:43.839
And the kid would cry.
00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:44.880
I'm like, nope, let them cry.
00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:46.559
You probably can't do that today.
00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:48.240
But I wouldn't let him on the mat.
00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:50.640
And I also was a small school, I knew every parent.
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I was like, nope, let them cry.
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:54.319
Because how are they going to learn?
00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:56.319
And don't get me wrong, I know you I agree with you.
00:29:56.400 --> 00:30:02.079
We need love, we need compassion, but I I'm gonna start using that, the economy of compassion, because it's not for free.
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:05.279
You just can't give it away and expect that you're gonna have any respect for it.
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:17.839
And and yeah, and I I've experienced this like, you know, I've I used to be a lot more giving when I was younger, but you get so burned by that too, because you did give it to people that don't deserve it, and that burns you, and all of a sudden you don't want to give it to anyone.
00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:22.480
And like sometimes I have to ask myself, remind myself to be more compassionate because that's how I used to be.
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:24.880
So it's almost like sometimes you swing the other way.
00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:26.720
And there's there's a balance in these things.
00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:34.160
And and where you there is a time and place to pick up a child that hurt itself and say, Come here, baby, and give it a hug.
00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:36.720
But there's a time and place to say, Well, cry me a river.
00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:37.920
Those are crocodile tears.
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I know what you're doing.
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:39.839
Like, and I say I have kids now.
00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:40.480
I have kids.
00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:42.480
It's it's something about little girls crying.
00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:46.400
They just like they trigger something in your brain, you immediately want to help them and feel sorry for them.
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:48.559
But a lot of times you're actually like, wait, hold up.
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:49.599
Are they fed?
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:50.319
Yeah, they're fed.
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Are they in the rain?
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No.
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Are they cold?
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No.
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They're sheltered, like she's complaining about cleaning her room.
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Like, what that does not warrant crying.
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Like, she's trying to manipulate me.
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:05.839
So there's a lot of there's an element of manipulation in the crying and feeling like a victim because a victim is immune to criticism.
00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:08.880
Victim gets perks, you can't criticize you.
00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:12.400
You you can be a victim and still be guilty of of something.
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:14.319
These things are not mutually exclusive.
00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:18.799
But when you cry, you like you like, okay, I I am the you you you put this cloak of victimhood on.
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:22.000
It's like, oh, no one can no one can call me on anything now because I'm crying.
00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:25.279
So it's almost like the softness has become like some kind of virtue.
00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:29.920
Whereas in we're talking more masculine values, that would be I mean, your grandpa would frown on you.
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:31.039
You men don't cry.
00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:32.160
I mean, I cry all the time.
00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:32.480
Oh, yeah.
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:34.000
I if I if I'm sad, I cry.
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:36.319
I'm not one of those that hold back tears if I'm happy.
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:40.880
So I've had students of mine win world titles and I cry at cheers of joy, but it's true.
00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:41.920
Cry for good reason.
00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:46.079
You're not crying because your parents asked you to clean the room or you know, something like that.
00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:50.400
But there's um there's uh there's there's a lot, man.
00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:54.079
There's a there's a lot that's going on with with what's wrong with education.
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I agree.
00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:57.200
I think they need a little more tough love.
00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:01.519
And they need a little more tough love, and they need to realize that that children are master manipulators.
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:02.240
Master.
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:04.319
I remember my daughter when she was two years old.
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She would like walk up to me and say, Daddy, one more cookie.
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:08.480
And then I go, No, you already had one.
00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:10.240
Daddy, one more cookie, please.
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:15.920
And then she leaned and kissed on the nose, and I was just like, and I know what she's doing, but it worked.
00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:18.720
She's like two, three years old and she's manipulating me.
00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:20.240
And they just get better at it.
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:21.759
Kids just get better and better at it.
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:24.079
But I, you know, to your point, tough love is real.
00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:26.799
And you know why tough love is not popular, because it's hard.
00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:28.160
It's difficult to give tough love.
00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:30.480
It's easy to give the soft love where you go, have everything you want.
00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:33.680
There's perfect, because you can wash your hands clean and go, I don't have to raise you.
00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:35.759
I don't have to train you, I don't have to educate you.
00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:36.880
I can just wash my hands clean.
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:38.000
Hey, here's your iPad.
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:39.279
You don't have to go to school.
00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:40.960
No, you got bad grades, that's fine.
00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:42.319
You give them everything they want.
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:45.920
And this, like, oh, children need to be children, they need to be happy and free.
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:55.279
And really, the real reason is that you don't have the courage and the mettle to actually raise your kids the way you should, because that's way harder than just giving them an iPad.
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:57.599
And I know this, I'm not saying I'm a perfect parent, bro.
00:32:57.680 --> 00:32:59.039
I have many flaws as a pet.
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:06.480
But like I'm pretty sure that I know the difference between good parents and bad parents, and especially as a martial arts coach, I've seen both.
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:10.000
I think it's really challenging to handle your own emotions.
00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:14.880
It is harder on you to tell your kid no than it is on the kid, and you don't want to feel bad and you want the kid to love you.
00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:16.240
And it's just the same thing with your buddy.
00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:19.920
It's like you don't want to bother your buddy, be like, bro, get your ass in the gym.
00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:20.720
What are you doing?
00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:21.839
What's wrong with you?
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:23.839
You know, you got this beer belly or whatever.
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:25.200
And people don't want to do that.
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:29.920
And that's somebody who really cares about you, who really says, hey man, you're going down the wrong path.
00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:31.279
You're not showing up the way you should.
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:33.839
You're not coming to class, you're not training with us, you look like shit.
00:33:33.920 --> 00:33:34.880
You what are you doing?
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:36.559
I think that's someone who really loves you.
00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:36.960
Yeah.
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:41.440
No, I I mean, as a coach, I you're from Vegas, so you you probably heard this.
00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:47.119
Like, I'm I have like a reputation for being an author authoritarian and like all these things.
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:52.640
And I I can be difficult to deal with only if you have this mindset that we're criticizing.
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:54.640
Like as a coach, you win a tournament.
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:56.400
I'm gonna walk up to you and tell you what you did wrong.
00:33:56.480 --> 00:33:57.839
I'll congratulate you, I'll give you a hug.
00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:02.000
I mean, I I've shed tears over students winning big events, right?
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:03.759
So I'm very emotionally involved.
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:06.400
But it I'm still gonna sit you down and tell you what you did wrong.
00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:08.159
Like, oh blah, blah, how could you do that to someone?
00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:09.519
I'm like, well, because I care.
00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:11.440
How do I help you if not telling you the truth?
00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:12.559
Oh, but I don't want to hear it.
00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:13.679
Oh, well, that's the issue.
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:15.280
Then it's not me telling you the truth.
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:17.840
The truth doesn't have an issue, but the truth is the truth.
00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:18.719
You have a problem.
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:20.800
The truth hurts my feelings.
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:23.039
Your feelings need to adjust to the truth.
00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:28.639
And that's the problem, is that these guys are this this ideology of adjusting the truth to my feelings.
00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:29.440
It's delusional.
00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:29.920
I tell you.
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:31.440
It's it's a case of truth is truth.
00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:38.000
Oh, you are you can't be serious, that you want the truth and the facts to adjust to your feelings, right?
00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:41.920
It's incredibly dangerous because we've got to remember feelings aren't all necessarily good.
00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:43.119
Hate is a feeling.
00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:44.159
You know, anger is a feeling.
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:48.079
These things like you're not in control of your feelings at all, as an adult should be.
00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:50.800
This is not, it's it's it's it's incredibly unhealthy.
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:52.800
I I remember I trained at your school for a little bit.
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:56.000
I remember the way you you taught and trained, and and I think it, I think it's healthy.
00:34:56.079 --> 00:35:00.400
I remember even telling some guys sometimes, I was like, you know, funny thing about Robert is he doesn't give an inch.
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:03.519
And you could be like a blue belt, and it doesn't matter because he's just gonna push at you.
00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:05.679
And most guys like, oh, just let him play and flow.
00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:08.800
And I'm like, and it was different with you, and I remember that specifically.
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:11.840
I actually want to kind of rotate into the training a little bit.
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:17.039
You know, you trained a lot of guys that are considered some of the best guys in the world.
00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:20.960
And I've watched you on the mat with them just kind of murder them for lack of better words.
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:27.679
And I'm curious how that worked out when you were training with some of these high-level UFC guys and different guys, and and and how the ego played out.
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:30.000
Was it was there ever any like real battles there?
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:33.679
It was just you were really respected for your craft and they realized that's why they were there training with you.
00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:35.519
Man, I I needed training partners.
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:37.920
I was a rookie in MMA, you know, when I moved to Vegas.
00:35:38.079 --> 00:35:40.880
I had my jujitsu accolades, but nothing in MMA.
00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:42.719
I've never been punked in the face in my life.
00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:45.760
I was criticized for doing an amateur MMA fight, you know.
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:53.440
But uh I'm like, I've never been hit in the face, and everyone can say they're tough, but I've seen many guys who believe they were tough, you know, break the second they get hit.
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:54.079
Tough guys.
00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:54.480
Totally.
00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:56.159
I mean, non-dessor, at least.
00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:58.079
You know, so I wasn't, I wouldn't, I don't know.
00:35:58.159 --> 00:35:59.280
I don't know myself that well.
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:04.400
So, but I when I immersed myself in that world, I sort of became it was a weird situation.
00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:07.280
I I quite cornered myself in, I put myself in a very strange corner.
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:11.440
I I came to Vegas to fight MMA, but right away, people started asking me questions.
00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:16.800
I had just won the ADCC world title, and everyone was like bombarding me with questions that I love to teach.
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:19.440
At heart, I think I'm more of a coach than a fighter.
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:24.800
You know, I never had expectations for myself as a fighter, but I always had expectations for myself as a coach.
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:29.280
Even though I'm probably not known as a coach, I'm more known as a fighter or a former fighter.
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:31.920
But these guys are asking me questions, asking me to corner them.
00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:36.159
I'm like, yeah, so I'm cornering UFC title fights before I made my MMA DB.
00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:45.440
Now, typically you accumulate 20, 30 MMA fights, you retire, and then you begin your career as a coach, and then you climb your way to your students are, you know, fighting for a UFC title.
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:49.039
I was cornering UFC title fights when I was 0-0, you know.
00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:51.760
So I was cornering guys and training simultaneously.
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:54.719
So we had a relationship where like Forrest is a good example.
00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:57.119
He was my main training partner for 12 years.
00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:04.320
And I won't say I was like, I was sort of like a coach to him, but our relationship was somewhere between coach and training partners because he helped me too.
00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:07.599
It was almost like it was not that hierarchical sort of relationship.
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:09.360
And that exists in with other people too.
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:12.400
I had that with James McSweeney too, where I helped him with jujitsu.
00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:13.599
He helped me with kickboxing.
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:19.920
And it was, it was, it's not ideal, even though though these bonds are very important and they still are good friends and their bonds are important.
00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:24.000
I believe that what works best is a hierarchical structure, military-like.
00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:27.280
People don't like it because it's hard and boring and difficult.
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:30.159
But basically, what they do in collegiate wrestling, it works.
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:32.400
I don't care what people say, it's what works.
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:33.599
No, and it doesn't matter.
00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:36.559
I mean, it can be fun and it kind of doesn't have to be brutal all the time.
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:37.760
It can be healthy.
00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:43.280
But I I think that that the coach, like that top-down structure at the end of the day, does work better.
00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:45.039
I'm curious how your training was with Frank.
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:48.719
I know you trained with Frank for a little bit too for some of the title fights and things like that.
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:50.000
Frank was a good friend.
00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:54.960
He's still one of my best friends, and um it was I was his coach, but I learned a lot from him too, you know.
00:37:55.039 --> 00:37:56.400
So it was and a training partner.
00:37:56.480 --> 00:37:57.679
So it was a similar relationship.
00:37:57.840 --> 00:37:59.360
We we we're still good friends, man.
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:03.760
Like I'm I'm happy to see his daughter thrive in wrestling and jujitsu now.
00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:08.079
We we we always had that that sort of relationship where you know we helped each other out.
00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:12.320
Always been a he was a great training partner, one of the most gifted people I've ever met, my guys.
00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:18.639
Yeah, he definitely had that small man jujitsu, but I think both of you did, you know, training under Leo Vieira and then also him.
00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:19.920
I think it's it's just interesting.
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:24.000
I'm curious, I just want to touch on one thing selfishly in the jujitsu world.
00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:34.000
I'm just curious about your road to ADCC and you basically submitting one of the best scrappers of all time, you know, who is is my favorite black bullet in the world, um, is Marcelo.
00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:35.519
He's mine too.
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:36.239
Is he?
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:36.800
I'm sure.
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:40.719
I mean, like everybody talks about Gordon and all that, but I mean to me, Marcelo is just the best ever.
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:41.760
I I just love the guy.
00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:43.760
There are very few people in jujitsu.
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:47.440
I mean, for example, you can point out people that have won more titles than Marcelo.
00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:50.239
You can point out people that have beaten Marcelo, right?
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:52.400
Like Shesha has more world titles.
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:55.199
Roger is hands down the most dominant guy in history, right?
00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:57.280
Bia Mesquita has an insane amount of titles.
00:38:57.519 --> 00:38:59.920
Via Mesquita has more titles than everyone put together, bro.
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:03.920
Her amount of world champions, the world titles and national titles were just it's just insane.
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:10.159
But I think when it comes to that, like and soccer out of comparison to, I don't know if you follow soccer, I'm a big soccer fan, Ronaldinho.
00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:14.320
Yeah, there was just like there are guys that were like Messi and Marciano Ronaldo won more than him, sure.
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:18.559
But there was just something beautiful about watching play that everyone just been like, oh man.
00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:19.519
It was like art.
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:21.119
And Marcelo is one of those guys.
00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:22.639
Hafaio Mendes is another.
00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:23.760
I love Hafaio Mendes.
00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:28.639
He's got such the precision of the precision, Mika Galvan is the other.
00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:32.880
Like they just have this finesse about their movement, it is just so beautiful to watch.
00:39:33.039 --> 00:39:34.159
I never had that, man.
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:36.960
I I had grit, I had heart, I had aggressiveness.
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:37.840
Like that was my weapon.
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:42.400
It was not finesse, it was not precision, it was not athletic ability, it was aggression, right?
00:39:42.559 --> 00:39:43.599
It was hard and grit.
00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:44.719
Like that was my power.
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:49.679
But when it comes to guys like Garcia, man, they just it's like ballet, man.
00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:52.480
It's just that the timing and the finesse of the movement.
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:55.920
It's very hard to run because you can move, you make a move, and you're like clumsy about it.
00:39:56.000 --> 00:40:03.039
It's like it's it's and like it's like a guy with a sniper rifle that hits the bullseye every single time he fires that shot.
00:40:03.519 --> 00:40:09.039
Whereas for most guys, it's like you have like a machine gun and you and you spray and you hope that one of them hits the bullseye.
00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:10.000
That's me.
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:10.400
That was me.
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:11.519
I was the machine gun guy.
00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:14.000
Like, and some of these guys are just like snipers now.
00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:18.400
They're just boom every time out of the dot and you're like, how do you move that well?
00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:19.280
He's the best.
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:20.000
I love to do it.
00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:23.840
I I I love, I, I, I love to to to watch high-level jujitsu.
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:25.360
There's so many great guys these days.
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:26.639
I'm always impressed.
00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:30.719
I like if you watch the kids, if you want to find a high-level jujitsu, watch it.
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:31.440
Bro, it's insane.
00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:39.519
I've seen 14-year-old matches, 14-year-old kids across ABCC trials, they look like high-level Bibles to me.
00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:42.320
Like, I can't imagine what these kids are gonna be in five games.
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:42.880
Crazy.
00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:46.719
I look at I look at Kai from Cobra Kai and Shy, who's now at 10th planet.
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:48.800
I'm like, she's I'm like just what is going on?
00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:50.880
I do have a question for you, I'm really interested in.
00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:52.639
You already said Marcello was your favorite.
00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:54.320
Who do you wish you could have fought?
00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:58.000
Like, one fight I always wanted to see, and I don't think it ever happened, was you and Rafael Lovato.
00:40:58.239 --> 00:40:59.199
But I'm just curious.
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:00.159
It did happen.
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:00.639
What?
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:01.360
It did happen.
00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:04.159
Yeah, Lovato beat me twice in the in the teen division.
00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:05.519
In the teen division, okay.
00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:07.119
But that's 0-2.
00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:09.440
I two against Rafael Lovato.
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:11.039
Baster that dude, he's a beast.
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:13.199
Did you see he went, he's like wrestling now and he just won.
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:14.480
I don't know how he mark.
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:14.960
I don't know.
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:18.400
I every time I see him, and if he ever watches this, he will confirm.
00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:19.599
I congratulate him.
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:23.360
Because I think he's a little bit younger than me, but not by much, maybe a year or two.
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:26.800
Yeah, but he is he is um and it's incredible.
00:41:26.960 --> 00:41:31.599
Him and cyborg, I'm like, when they're doing this, I'm like, I can't, I I don't know how you guys do it, man.
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:34.880
Because I'm the same age as cyborg, and I'm like, I'm falling apart, man.
00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:36.559
I have arthritis all over my body.
00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:37.760
And I'm tired too, man.
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:39.119
I'm tired of running sprints.
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:39.679
I'm tired.
00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:40.800
I I I love the art.
00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:41.519
I love coaching.
00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:42.239
Don't get me wrong.
00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:48.320
But when it comes to all grinding every day and preparing for a competition, man, like I got so many miles on my body, man.
00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:50.800
Like, I just want to preserve them so I can age well.
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:53.440
I just want to drive those miles with care.
00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:54.719
I admire them deeply.
00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:59.360
The only guy from my generation that I never fought was Homulubajo.
00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:01.679
We were in the same weight, same bracket a few times.
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:02.639
It just never happened.
00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:09.280
Everyone else from my the list of people, like I was just thinking about this the other day, because a lot of people tell me like, oh, jujitsu now was harder than then.
00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:15.440
And I go, there are more people, but there are also a lot more tournaments, which means you guys don't fight each other as much as we did.
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:20.559
Because back in the day, there were like, you know, ADCC, IBJ JF Worlds, Pans, and Brazilian Nationals.
00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:22.000
Those are the four big ones, really.
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:27.360
You know, and ADCC was every other year, and most people didn't make it there anyway, because it was like more boutique, right?
00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:29.840
It's like a closed, like 16-man bracket only.
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:43.519
So what happened is you, but because there were only those such so few tournaments, and Marcelo García was one that made this point to me when I was talking to him a while ago, and he said, Rob, I fought Teddy, who was the other best middleweight in the world at the time, four times my first year as a black belt.
00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:44.159
And that's true.
00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:46.079
Like these guys would fight each other.
00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:48.000
We would fight like every tournament.
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:52.079
You had a bracket, like it was just insane because that's where all the best guys were.
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:58.960
Now you have these exclusive contracts, you have so many organizations, you have the gi and the no-gi, completely different separate worlds, unfortunately.
00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:00.960
It's like you don't see the best fight in the best.
00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:03.519
Like, when are we gonna see Mika Delvone and Tainan Delpra?
00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:04.559
When are we gonna see K.
00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:06.239
Brutolo and Mika Delvone?
00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:07.360
Like, I want to see these matches.
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:08.880
Like, why can't I see them all the time?
00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:11.599
I want to see them four times a year, but we're not seeing them everywhere.
00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:13.840
I want to see Baby Shark and Mike Mushamesi.
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:14.880
Why aren't we watching that?
00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:17.199
That should that match should be taken place four times a year.
00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:21.440
Back in the day, Mike Mushimesi would have fought Baby Shark like five, six times by now.
00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:22.400
And we haven't seen it happen.
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:23.199
Right?
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:24.480
So the best are not fighting the best.
00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:28.320
Like, I had three years as a black belt where I competed actively as a boss.
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:29.119
Three years only.
00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:30.000
It was very shortly.
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:34.400
My black bill career was very short because I moved over him and made it the second I won the ADCC.
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:35.599
But look at the guys I fought.
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:43.199
I fought Roger Gracie, Ronaldo Jacaré, Alexandre Rivero, Brau Uschima, Cyborg, Andre Galvon.
00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:45.199
Dude, like just the list goes on.
00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:49.679
And like some of these guys, some of the best guys of my generation, they were all in your bracket.
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:52.639
If you want to be a world champion, it had to be two or three of those names.
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:53.360
That's insane.
00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:55.199
How do you be two or three of those names?
00:43:55.280 --> 00:43:56.559
But that's that was the bracket.
00:43:56.639 --> 00:43:58.320
You had two or three of these names in your bracket.
00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:00.960
I remember the first ADCCs, I was like Like, look at this lineup.
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:01.920
Like it was insane.
00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:03.599
Just the guys out there is is awesome.
00:44:03.760 --> 00:44:05.840
And and it's and the level is super high now, Mark.
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:09.280
What people don't understand is that it's gotten so dispersed.
00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:15.039
Like even the last CD6C, like with a CGI thing, the the best no geek rappers in the world got split.
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:16.719
Half of them went one way, half the other.
00:44:16.960 --> 00:44:19.519
As a spectator, man, that kind of ruins the show a little bit.
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:21.199
I know it's I'm not blaming anyone for it.
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:22.079
It is what it is.
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:24.480
But at the same time, as a spectator, I'm like, this sucks, man.
00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:25.840
I want to see the best fight the best.
00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:31.679
I wonder if it'll play out better where maybe we'll have some really big super fights where like, hey, let's get Baby Shark and Mustomes together and do a big whole thing.
00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:33.360
I mean, for just I'm just talking about the game.
00:44:33.519 --> 00:44:34.079
You know the game.
00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:35.039
But it'll be interesting.
00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:37.679
This promoter, they're businesses.
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:45.760
Like, so they're gonna have to find enough compatibility, and that's gonna be hard where they can reach an agreement, knowing that their champion might lose to their rivals' champion, right?
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:47.920
Like there's a lot on the line here.
00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:59.119
So the more money comes into the sport, I think that the less likely these things are to happen because the fighters, too, they become sort of like I'm not no, not all of them, but a lot of them become like primadonna's.
00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:03.599
Yeah, like a lot of these guys, it's like purple belts, purple belts that won't compete unless they get paid.
00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:05.360
I'm like, who do you think you are?
00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:06.639
Like you have to get paid.
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:08.320
You've been training for five years, you're a beginner.
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:11.599
Like I'm a purple, everyone, like you know, like a local tournament champion.
00:45:11.679 --> 00:45:13.679
And they won't compete unless they they get, I don't know.
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:17.199
Like, whoa, sorry, purple belt.
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:18.559
Welcome to the game, bro.
00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:22.159
But it's it's such a it's there's something arrogant about that, too.
00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:23.039
Like totally.
00:45:23.199 --> 00:45:23.840
I agree.
00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:26.159
I never made any big money from fighting.
00:45:26.239 --> 00:45:29.119
I got I've been paid before, but always like nothing that would change my life.
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:30.239
Zero regrets, man.
00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:31.440
I have my medals and that's enough.
00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:34.159
I have my memories, I have my perspective and my experience.
00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:35.440
I have no regrets.
00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:38.239
When I see these guys complain about money, I'm always puzzled.
00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:39.440
It's never been better.
00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:40.800
People never complain more.
00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:41.840
That's the interesting part.
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:43.679
My generation was zero money.
00:45:43.840 --> 00:45:44.639
No one complained.
00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:45.679
No one complained.
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:46.480
Everyone just competed.
00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:49.360
I made$250 to fight Jason Miller.
00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:50.000
Mayhem.
00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:50.480
Man.
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:52.000
Like$250.
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:54.559
You know, it's like people don't, and that was an MMA fight.
00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:58.400
I think people don't realize like the you know, Mike Tyson said it best.
00:45:58.480 --> 00:45:59.360
He goes, I was a killer.
00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:00.480
He goes, you guys are just here.
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:00.960
What did he say?
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:02.480
He goes, You guys are just here for the money.
00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:04.079
And it's and it's really the truth.
00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:04.320
Yeah.
00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:05.440
Just a different world.
00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:13.360
Yeah, I um I I could dive into some of this, but I want to actually switch gears of touch, and I just want to kind of talk about your philosophy.
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:18.079
You know, you are kind of, in my opinion, the philosopher of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:19.199
At least that's how I see you.
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:22.239
And I'm curious, you know, you wrote two books.
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:23.679
I know the first one was controversial.
00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:25.840
I did not know much about the second one, so I apologize.
00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:30.639
I'm curious if you can elaborate kind of just on some of your wisdom or theories.
00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:37.760
Like you just shared something really amazing with me that I had no idea, which was that Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu was nothing until it came to the States and it it blew up at the same time.
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:38.639
I didn't even know that.
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:40.719
And I think a lot of people don't know.
00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:48.079
And what was kind of your maybe mission in writing the books, or what did you want the world to know, or if you could just share a little bit so you know, maybe it compel us to want to go read them?
00:46:48.320 --> 00:46:51.360
I released two new books the last year in August.
00:46:51.519 --> 00:46:54.000
So I have four jiu-jitsu history books out.
00:46:54.159 --> 00:46:55.760
I'm working on another one.
00:46:56.000 --> 00:47:00.800
Um I motivations, Mark, are not easy to determine, man.
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:03.280
Like we we we think our motivations are always noble.
00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:08.639
And sometimes they are, but that doesn't mean that they don't coexist with other motivations that are not so noble.
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:10.000
I do love history.
00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:14.639
I I was my my dream as a child was to be an archaeologist, not a fighter, not a coach.
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:17.280
I've been reading encyclopedia since I was a child.
00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:19.199
I've had a book with me since I could read.
00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:21.519
I've always read, I've never not been reading something.
00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:22.639
I'm always reading something.
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:24.639
Always, since I was since I learned how to read.
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:25.280
I love books.
00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:26.480
I've always been that way.
00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:28.400
I do think it's a great story.
00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:30.960
I enjoy writing, I enjoy discussing it.
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:34.159
I I don't deny that there's a degree of vanity in it as well.
00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:37.599
I think that writing in general is something there's something vain about it.
00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:39.280
Like, why, why is my idea?
00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:40.719
Why is my idea important?
00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:46.960
Like, what makes you think that my way of thinking, or what do I even have anything to say or an opinion that's that can educate someone?
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:49.599
There's something presumptuous about it when you really think about it.
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:52.159
And I I don't think it's necessarily bad.
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:56.719
It's not un certainly not unethical, but it's definitely something you have to monitor.
00:47:56.880 --> 00:48:07.679
And I've caught myself like sometimes it can go to your head and you start thinking that you because you you spend so time that so much time thinking about these things and writing about these things and reading about these things.
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:18.719
And you know that most people don't do that, it's very easy to get carried away and say, Oh, I I got it all figured out, or start putting yourself on a high horse that you don't belong to because you I still have a lot to learn.
00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:21.280
I I'm still a learning, I'm I'm not a dun learning.
00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:25.760
So it's very important that we couple our ambition with humility.
00:48:26.079 --> 00:48:29.199
There's a there's an author I like, this is one of my favorite books of all time.
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I've read it couple of times cover to cover, and that's within the last like two years.
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So it's it's probably something I'll read and reread my entire life.
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It's called A Faith of a Heretic by Walter Coffin.
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And he coins this term called humbish.
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He's talking about exactly about this.
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It's humility with ambition.
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You know, ambition is a good thing, but it needs humility.
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And I love that because I was exactly in that phase of my life where I started looking at myself in the mirror and not liking some of the things I was seeing.
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And I was like, well, I mean, you gotta be more humble.
00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:00.000
She got so much to learn.
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:02.079
We are so ignorant as humans.
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We're born ignorant, we're born with enormous potential, but we're born ignorant.
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It's it's an enormous effort not to be ignorant.
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I and it's easy to forget that.
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So when it comes to jujitsu history, man, I try to remind myself that I still have a lot to learn and a lot to do.
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I I mean I don't own the truth.
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I might be wrong about many of these things.
00:49:18.559 --> 00:49:21.760
I've changed my mind on many of these things, and I'm willing to change my mind.
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I'm always suspicious, suspicious of politicians who change their mind come election time, or because the political winds have changed direction.
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:33.920
But in general, I think that changing your mind is something healthy and you should be open to it and open to being wrong.
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And I have been wrong, I've been proven wrong many times.
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In fact, my best friends are the ones who correct me.
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My best, the my I have readers who write me and correct me on something, and they end up becoming good friends of mine as a result because that's the kind of people I like to surround myself with are the people that aren't scared of calling me on my bullshit or pointing me wrong or correcting me or have the knowledge, the know-how, the wisdom to point flaws in my arguments.
00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:05.280
And I have friends like that, and they and I and I love them for it, no, and and I think that's the that's the kind of humility we should be pursuing.
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455199.
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I feel like the whole humble piece is like it's this blend between ambition.
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Like, how do I have this incredible amount of ambition and then match it with absolute humility at the same time?
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And it's something I've been playing with, the book I'm writing.
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I'm not gonna call it the dichotomy of everything, but it is based on that paradox.
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And I think that when I think about what you said, I think to me that is the ultimate level of achievement when it comes to being a human and trying to blend those balances is how do you have a relentless, incredible drive to be an ADCC world champion and still walk out of your front door and be happy with the sun shining and a cup of coffee and that simplicity.
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And I think when a man can do that, it reminds me of um Rudyard Kipling's If, right?
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You know, that poem of just that balance.
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I think vaguely phenomenal, phenomenal.
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But just that that is the point.
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He's like, if you can just kind of he's if you can be with the common man and then walk with royalty, and if you can, you know, win a jiu-jitsu world championship and still be happy with a cup of coffee in the morning with your daughters, I think that is what we're really striving for.
00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:15.599
That to me is the pinnacle of being just a phenomenal like human being as a whole, you know.
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:17.039
I I see what you're saying.
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It's like you have a monster in your belly and you have to feed it, but you gotta feed it well.
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So it's got to take care of its diet, you know.
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You you gotta monitor it and keep it in check too.
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Think I don't think I've always been noble in my life.
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I I know I have been.
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I have many, many, many flaws, and as I get older, I see them more and more.
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Um and then you have to grow the courage, if you don't have it, to confront it and just admit your flaws and try to be better and stay humble, man.
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I think that's at least the stage I'm at in my life, man.
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I don't know where I'll be in 10, 20 years.
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But right now, that's what I keep telling myself is just like just be humble, just be humble.
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There's a there's a while ago I was talking to my wife about it.
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It's like, I don't know if I should be giving interviews anymore.
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Like I've hit so many fights with like people in Brazil and here because of I'm so opinionated.
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And I I this I don't know how to solve.
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Like, if I'm not opinionated, I'm not doing my job as a historian.
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I don't feel like I feel like I'm cheating people from what I don't like to use the word truth so lightly, but what I consider to be the fact is the facts of the matter, let's put it like that.
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But at the same time, when you do that, there's no way you don't come across as arrogant because you're hurting people's feelings and you're telling them things they don't want to hear, even though they're factually incorrect.
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So I I tread this very, very narrow line between being a competent historian and speaking my mind and not being arrogant about it.
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It's I'm trying to find that balance and it's it's not easy, man.
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It's not easy.
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Let me ask you a question, because this is literally the whole point of the book I'm writing, and you kind of elaborated already, and you just said it's not easy.
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But if you could give, I mean you may not be able to answer this question, but how do we have this relentless, tie-hard killer instinct to just drive and crush and in the same breath be completely content with our current circumstances?
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There's a movie.
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Um I I saw it on a plane once.
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I don't like movies in general.
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I very rarely watch.
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Sometimes I'll watch something called Rush, two F1 drivers.
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I just seen it.
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It was Nicki Lauder.
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I know of Rush, but I have not seen it.
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It's one of the best movies I've ever seen.
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Whoever wrote that hit the nail on the head.
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And they understood competition.
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So they contrast two champions.
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They're very different.
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Nicki Lauda is a brainiac strategist, where James Hunt is just like the raw talent.
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We see that in jujitsu all the time, the tactician.
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Right?
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And the guy who's just like Is that you and Marcella?
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Oh, yeah.
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No, I I was I yeah, 100%.
00:53:34.239 --> 00:53:41.679
But like, you know, raw talent, and then that, you know, the guy could be like drinking the night before and he'd still just destroy everyone, right?
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And the other guy was just like measuring screws to make sure they're lighter than other screws.
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Like he's weighing them, you know.
00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:49.920
Like that's the kind of guy Nikki Laura was.
00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:52.480
But the interesting thing is that Nikki Lauta gets married.
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This is my favorite scene in the book.
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He gets married.
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He's very happy.
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And there's a very symbolic scene there where he's staring at a fire and then he goes, happiness is the enemy because he started losing his fire because he was so happy.
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That's what he's struggling with.
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So once you're content, the fire is burning out, essentially.
00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:20.000
And I remember watching that and I'm going, man, whoever wrote this truly understood a competitor's mindset.
00:54:20.159 --> 00:54:28.239
Because the second you're, let's say you win a UFC world title, it's very common for these guys to lose their next fight or not hold on to it very long.
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Very few people hold on to that title, man.
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It's very rare.
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DSP did, Anderson Silva did, Jose Aldo did for a minute, Mighty Mouse, very few people, John Jones, or the vast majority of champions hold on to it for like two fights, one fight.
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And I I'm not saying that's why they lost it.
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I'm not talking about some suggestion.
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I'm just saying I think the guy that is striving for the top of the mountain has more heart than the guy who's already seen what the world looks like from the top.
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And for you to just look from the top and go, oh, nothing's changed in my life.
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And I think the the reason why that happens is you're looking at the top of a mountain like it's gonna change how you see the world, where you will achieve some kind of internal utopia where everything is gonna be perfect and you're gonna have this deep lasted satisfaction.
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And that will last two days.
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That's what my ADCC title lasted.
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By the third day, I was I was in cloud nine for like two days.
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And the third day I was like, oh, back to practice, nothing changed.
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You know, and of course it opened many doors, so it was very positive like that.
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But as far as my satisfaction with myself, it went back to normal.
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I was still deeply unsatisfied with myself.
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I don't think you ever I don't know, man.
00:55:33.679 --> 00:55:34.159
I don't know.
00:55:34.320 --> 00:55:45.679
I I was reading um, there's a very I like to talk to old guys, you know, like old why like old old guys in jujitsu and like biography autobiographies, like there's a very short autobiography by David Hume.
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You can download it online.
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It's very short, like 10 pages.
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David Hume?
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David June.
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And he's a great mind, there's no doubt about it.
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But he's so happy about life and seems to be perfectly content.
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And he came across to me as such someone jolly and perfectly okay with as life turned out, the thing the way they turned out, it turned out.
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Hope to be jolly like that and and content and and and be in my deathbed one day and say, I am perfectly happy with how I live my life.
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I want to be content like that.
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Because I don't feel that right now.
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I don't feel that.
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I hope that changes.
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But I I don't I don't know, man.
00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:24.559
I don't know if that comes with age or with wisdom or you know, one brings the other.
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I think all of it kind of comes together, but I just think that it's such I that's why I wanted to write the book on it because I feel like everything in life is this interplay.
00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:45.440
It's this interplay of like sometimes you gotta be an absolute warrior and sometimes you gotta be an absolute nurture-loving person, and you kind of try to dance in the middle, and you know, you have daughters, you know, it's like you should be able to protect them and and literally kill a guy in the street and at the same time rock them to sleep.
00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:55.519
And it's so I've always wanted to play with that dichotomy piece because I found it very interesting in life because that is the polarity and the paradox of this realm paradigm earth we live in.
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It's based on polarity.
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And it can't just like you know, people can say whatever they want.
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You can't have Mother Teresa without Hitler.
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You just cannot.
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It doesn't work.
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This is the way the world works.
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And so I just I find it to be an interesting conundrum that I'll probably spend the rest of my life probably not solving but right about.
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:11.039
It's it's it shouldn't think about.
00:57:11.199 --> 00:57:15.920
I I've given this a lot of fun, and I I mean maybe the mistake is to think that it's one or the other.
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And as a human, you are a sea of conflict and contradictions, man.
00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:22.239
You have all these opposing forces.
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:27.760
You have all these opposing forces inside of you, and they're saying different things, different times of your life.
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One voice is louder during a certain time, and at a different time the other voice is louder.
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But I think if you listen to them all and you balance things out, I think at the end result is the problem is when these things are off balance when you're or some of these voices aren't kept in check and you keep and and you again you lose you lose your humility at some point.
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And you got you gotta keep yourself in check and and but without losing that hunger, man.
00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:52.079
I I hope I stay hungry.
00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:53.199
I don't want to lose the hunger.
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I like to do things, I like to travel, I like to work hard, I like to write, I like to read, I like to make friends.
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I I have this joy, feel this joy about being alive.
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I do.
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I have my bad days like everyone else, but I know that they're gonna pass.
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They always pass.
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They're like they're bad sometimes for a week, sometimes for months.
00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:12.079
It's happened to me like years, I'm in a hole.
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But I know I'm gonna come out eventually, and then life gets beautiful again.
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And I love I wish, wish I had more time.
00:58:18.159 --> 00:58:19.840
That's like my big biggest anxiety.
00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:26.000
It's it's the anxiety of not having enough time to do all the things that you've got to live all the lives on a life.
00:58:26.320 --> 00:58:26.719
Exactly.
00:58:26.960 --> 00:58:31.039
You know, I want to wrap this up with a beautiful question that kind of brings it all together.
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Here is like, because you know, I talk to a lot of entrepreneurs, it's called the Evolve Entrepreneur Podcast, and you know, you understand what it's like to be stuck, even though you're winning.
00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:41.519
And, you know, like you said, I was happy for three days.
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If if you were a high performing entrepreneur, or some sorry, if a high performing entrepreneur came to you and they were stuck because they were winning and on paper, but feeling empty inside, what's the first thing you'd tell them?
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Maybe to look for the joy in the process itself and not hold your breath to the top of the mountain because the world is as flat from above as it is from below, man.
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It doesn't change anything.
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It's just it's the same world.
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You're the same person, you can't run from yourself.
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No title can shut yourself off.
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It's how you see yourself and the world, the people around you.
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Find joy.
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I I love I love my my kids.
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They I find happiness.
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Like when I look at my best moments in life, I'm always with my friends and family.
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Like I was just in Brazil where I got to spend like a week with my old-time training partners from 20 years ago, and we're still really good friends.
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We all have families now.
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And man, I was truly, truly happy around it.
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Like I remember thinking, but I don't think I've I can't remember the last time I was this happy.
00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:45.280
Just being around my friends, laughing, telling old stories, you know, talking shit, training, just being around my brothers.
00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:51.280
And I remember being so I'm like, I don't I think this is better than anything, any achievement in jiu-jitsu.
00:59:51.519 --> 00:59:56.159
I strive for achievement, but what the the the real treasure is like the people I've met along the way.
00:59:56.320 --> 00:59:59.679
Like when people ask me what's been the loss of the books, what did it cost?
01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:04.719
You know, like I don't know, we can't factor the cost, but man, I made some amazing friends.
01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:06.000
That's the takeaway, man.
01:00:06.079 --> 01:00:10.400
The people I've met because of these books are some of the most interesting people I've ever met.
01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:13.280
I would have never met them had I not read those friends.
01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:16.880
So to me, the the the the that was the um that was the the treasure, man.
01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:20.800
It was not like you know, the book itself or if they've sold well or not.
01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:26.880
It was more like the friends that I made because I I I will think that was that was that still is very special.
01:00:27.039 --> 01:00:28.239
These people become my best friends.
01:00:28.320 --> 01:00:30.480
I talk to them daily, and they're people that I've never even met in person.
01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:31.440
That's amazing.
01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:35.840
That is the cool part about the internet, even though we just talked about earlier about how it's not so connected.
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:39.280
It is really cool to have just experiences that you would just never have, you know.
01:00:39.440 --> 01:00:45.760
So, I mean, a hundred years ago, you're probably never a Brazilian guy living in Vegas is never gonna marry a woman from Kazakhstan, you know.
01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:47.519
So that's that's kind of cool too.
01:00:47.599 --> 01:00:47.920
Yeah.
01:00:48.159 --> 01:00:51.039
So, well, man, I I just really appreciate you.
01:00:51.119 --> 01:00:52.400
This has been such an awesome conversation.
01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:57.440
I'm glad we got to go into your philosophy on things more than just the jujitsu, because I think everyone knows a lot of that.
01:00:57.599 --> 01:00:59.280
And I just really appreciate you taking the time for me.
01:00:59.519 --> 01:01:00.480
It's been a pleasure, Mark.
01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:03.039
And next time you're around, please stop by the gym, say hello.
01:01:03.119 --> 01:01:03.760
It's been too long.
01:01:03.920 --> 01:01:04.480
For sure, man.
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I'll definitely come in.
01:01:05.599 --> 01:01:05.840
Sure.
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Who do you wish you could have fought?
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The only guy from my generation that I never fought was Homulbaho.
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We were in the same weight, same bracket a few times.
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It just never happened.
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If a high performing entrepreneur came to you and they were stuck because they were winning and on paper, but feeling empty inside, what's the first thing you tell them?
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Maybe to look for the joy and the process itself and not hold your breath to the top of the mountain because the world is as flat from above as it is from below.
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How do we have this relentless, die hard killer instinct to just drive and crush and in the same breath be completely content with our current circumstances?
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And I think that the reason why that happens is you're looking at the top of a mountain, like it's gonna change how you see the world, where you will achieve some kind of internal utopia where everything is gonna be perfect, and that will last two days.
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Alright, I'm super stoked.
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I'm here today with Robert Drysdale.
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He is what I consider a mentor, friend, and one of the best registic competitors in history, in my opinion.
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And he also has something very unique.
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He's a real life modern-day martial artist and philosopher.
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And that's kind of I think our biggest connection, Robert.
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And I just want to introduce you and just maybe let the, you know, let the audience know about yourself.
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Thanks, Mark.
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Thanks for the kind words.
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It's uh the feeling is mutual.
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Consider you a friend and happy to be here talking to you and be able to share some of my experience.
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Uh been in martial arts going on 29 years now, and uh never look back.
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I've been coaching for 25, uh quarter of a century.
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It makes it makes me sound a lot older than I am.
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But that's how long I've been teaching to Jitsu and training, and uh, I love what I do.
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I'm very, very fortunate to be to have been at the right place at the right time, around the right people.
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It was it's been an amazing journey.
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That's awesome, man.
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Yeah, I I remember when you first came to Vegas, I think it was like 2007, 2008.
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It was me, you, I think Mo and Karen Diffley all having lunch and just talking about what you're gonna do.
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You weren't even gonna open up the school at the time.
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You're like, I don't want to open up a school.
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But um, I'm curious because you played this interesting dynamic between Portuguese and English, Brazil and the U.S.
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You said you kind of ran into the right people and you didn't start jujitsu till a little bit later.
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You were almost like a full-blown adult.
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So maybe you can kind of talk about that.
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Yeah, well, but I mean, despite what people might think, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu was not popular in Brazil prior to Hoy's Gracie.
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It was the UFC and Hoyce Crazy that like that that launched the whole revolution in Brazil.
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The ref the jiu-jitsu revolution happened in Brazil and the United States simultaneously.
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A lot of people don't know that.
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The main difference is that in Brazil there were plenty of black belts that came, you know, people that had they had retired, they're hung up their ghys and belts, and they're like, I'm gonna do something else.
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There's no money in jiu-jitsu.
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So when the boom happened, a lot of these guys came back and said, Oh, I'm gonna start teaching.
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That's what happened in my hometown.
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My my original coach, Octavio, he was he was a uh he was a swimming coach.
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And then when people found out he was a fifth degree black belt, everyone's like, hey man, why don't you start teaching class?
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And this is like 95.
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And he's like, Oh, sure, I'll start teaching class again.
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So we had a fifth degree black belt to teach us, you know, which was even in Brazil, was pretty rare at the time.
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Uh, but there were not many people teaching jiu-jitsu in Brazil.
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It was a very obscure, well, most people never heard of it.
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It was certainly overshadowed by kung fu, taekwondo, karate, much like in the US.
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It was no different.
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But there were a lot of practitioners that were just dormant in in Brazil.
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But I I I was very fortunate, man.
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It was I started when I was 16 and I never looked.
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I remember I was just visiting my original coach, and I remember standing there at the entrance of the mats talking to him, just like a month ago.
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And I said, I remember looking at these mats and standing right here and looking at myself wearing a ghee, and I saw some guys were already rolling.
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And I remember thinking to myself, not necessarily a thought, but a feeling, more feeling than an actual thought.
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And it was like, this is it.
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I I felt like I felt at home, like this is what I've been looking for.
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And it was a very rare feeling, but I knew I had found what I'd been looking for.
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That's amazing.
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I think that you had such a blessed opportunity because so many people never find what they're looking for in this life, and they're kind of, you know, I think shaken up by it as they grow older.
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So I think it's an awesome blessing.
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I'm curious, you know, I I watched you on a couple other podcasts recently, and I wanted to dive into this right away because and we can talk about your accolades and you know, you submitting Marcella Garcia and ADCC and all those things, but I'm more curious about your philosophy.
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I mean, I think so much has changed since then, and I think you and I both agree that it's getting pretty diluted, you know.
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And I'm curious your thoughts on that type of school and what you grew up in compared to what you're seeing now and what you're trying to bring forward.
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Yeah, I I mean it's it's the it's a so it's an old uh theme, you know, the old grumpy man is complaining about these young kids, you know.
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It's such an old theme, and it seems like it's cyclic cyclical because it's you know, it's the same story.
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The liberals of today are the conservatives of tomorrow and so on.
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And there's some truth to that.
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Um sorry about that.
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But I think there's more to it.
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Like I I often say it's not a cycle, it's a spiral downwards.
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It is, I mean, compared to compared to I mean, compared to my grandfather, I feel like like a crybaby.
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You know, my my grandfather was yo, he would grow up in a cornfield.
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He was working when he was eight years old.
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He got his first toy, his first birthday present when he was 16 years old.
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It was a little rubber ball for him to play soccer because he just wanted to play soccer.
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But he's been working in the cornfield since he was eight years old.
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So compared to him, I'm a whiny bitch.
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Sorry, forgive my English.
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But come some of the some of like the Gen Z type, I feel like John Rambo, you know, like it's and I think there has been, and you I think you can identify you can spot like technology is one reason.
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Life got simpler and people are less they have weaker fiber.
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Life got very comfortable, comfort became the norm.
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So when you're not a comfortable, you know, like people panic, like things have to be the way they want.
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Even poor people, I feel like live very lavishly in the United States.
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You know, I I see people throw clothes away all the time, those shoes away because it has a little hole in it.
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I remember, like, I remember like if I had shoes, I'd put duct tape over it.
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Like I'd use where use the shoe for another six months before I threw it out.
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But in the US, even poor people do, they just throw it out and buy a fresh one.
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It's fresh, fresh.
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They need new things all the time, wearing new clothes all the time.
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And I I was raised until your sh your t-shirts have holes in it, you keep wearing the same thing.
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So I think a lot of the education has gone downwards, you know.
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Like we know that the standards have been lowered.
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I think reading levels have lowered a lot.
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Like I I had noticed this because even I mean the jujitsu community, like it's it's there's not that many readers now.
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I'm actually sure.
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I mean, I would like there to be more, but I I don't know.
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It's something's changed.
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And I think technology has a plays a big part in this.
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I mean, that's always been the case.
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The world's always changed, life goes on.
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You know, I of course people have nostalgia of how things were.
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Um, but I I I I think you gotta be careful with this young new approach.
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Not everything that is new is better than old, and vice versa.
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But you have to look at like take a jiu-jitsu, for example, it's closer to home.
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But I think this example applies to everything.
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We we presume that something that is developed in 2026 is necessarily better than something that was developed 20 years ago or 100 years because it's new, because we think in terms of iPhone.
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The iPhone 13 is better than the 12, the 14 is better than the 13, and so on.
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But the example I always use, and the rear naked choke is still the number one submission in BJJ, and it's a very old move.
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So that that I that that that that's not a good hypothesis.
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Like we have to think like what are what what what determines the quality of something?
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Well, how efficient is the move?
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Right?
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The rear naked choke is highly efficient.
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Who cares if it's older days?
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It's not important, ugly, pretty, it doesn't matter.
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These things aren't metrics we should even be considering.
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And when it comes to values, I think we should look at it the same way.
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And a lot has been lost in the popularization of jujitsu and the changes the world has undergone since the internet and and and social media.
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I think we have less deep connections with people.
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I know I I feel there's a lot of like, oh, I have friends of friends online.
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None of them are you, how any of your real friends?
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I see this in jiu-jitsu, it's a very promiscuous, it's a promiscuous environment.
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You're training with one guy today, the next day you're giving advice on how to beat the guy you were training with.
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And it's just like Vegas is a perfect example of this.
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It's so promiscuous.
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And everyone's friends with everyone, right?
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Quotation marks.
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But is that real friendship?
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I mean, I to me, like a friend is like that die hard or ride or die kind of friend, where you go, like, this is this guy will take a bullet from me.
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And I have friends like that, and I can count them on my right hand.
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It's it's a rare, and I think it's hard and hard to develop that in an environment where the relationships have become more artificial and there's a lot less community.
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And I I think these are like some things that have been lost, and they're there were good things, they're important things.
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Yeah, I agree with you completely.
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I talk to people about this all the time is that like these the suffering that you go through creates bonds, it creates intelligence, it creates connection, it creates grit.
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And we we're trying to remove everything hard.
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There was an article in the 90s, Robert, and it said the average college student today lives better than John D.
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Rockefeller just because of technology.
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And that was in the 90s, you know?
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And I was thinking about reading.
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So my book publisher, she was just she always posts all the time, and the decline of reading is tremendous right now, and it's so important.
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And they've proven even just writing as opposed to typing, what it lights up in the brain.
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And then there was another guy I saw on the internet about just talking about art in general, and it's like, oh, you know, we can just make all AI AI right now, and it's no big deal.
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It's like the struggle that you had to suffer for 10 years to learn a skill, whether it's jujitsu or drawing, is what the journey is all about.
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And I think I'm scared and I'm curious your on this.
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I'm afraid that if we make everything so easy and nothing is challenging, we're literally removing the joy of everyone's life because we I mean you both, I know have some friends I don't want to talk about in Vegas, but we I think you know the same guys where they're kind of trust fund kids, and you can see the emptiness in these people into their 40s because they've never had to earn anything.
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You know, I'm curious your take on that.
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I I make your words my own.
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Hamlet is miserable for a reason.
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He's a prince.
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He never had to work a day of his life.
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The man doesn't have a family, doesn't have children, he has never had a job, he's miserable.
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Like I have a friend of mine, not a not a a reader, just like a very like jujitsu guy.
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And he goes, You would have noticed that only rich people have the pressure.
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It's like a first world.
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Poor people are too busy working hard to have the they don't have time to have the pressure, they're too busy struggling.
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And I think there's some truth to that.
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I mean it's a joke, it's not uh it's not something to take in that seriously, but I I think there's some truth and when when you don't have things to struggle for, I think that's when that's when things get hard.
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Like you you you you need things to struggle for.
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Jiu Jitsu is one of them, there are others, but I I I think the level of the automation of the world is is is something that I don't think people see what is being lost.
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Meaning is being lost.
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Because if everything is handed to you, you no longer have to hunt on a show you something.
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This this book is largely about this.
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This is something I released in August.
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And if you get to the conclusion and the um and the epilogue, uh it's it's about this.
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It's about the loss of meaning due to life being coming so automated, or you press a button and Amazon delivers food to your your front door.
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Well, 10,000 years ago you had to go kill something if you wanted to eat.
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And there was an adventure there, there was merit there, there was struggle there, there was bonds you created with friends because you would hunt as a group and you create true community, and and it was exciting, and you're the hero of the village for a few days if you got if you killed something, or if you, you know, because you fed the whole village and so on.
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And I think these things are valuable.
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And you know, we lose some of that joy when you press a button, Amazon delivers meat to your door.
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Like, sure, that's convenient, but what about the hunter?
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What happens to the hunter within?
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What happens to the swimmer within?
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And this is why I think athletics are never been more important, because I think athletics give you that, not just jujitsu, whatever you're into.
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It gives you that.
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And and I when I mean athletics, I don't just mean that the compet of the race where everyone gets a medal.
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I'm talking about competition.
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I'm talking about like people doing this, me trying to beat you, you trying to beat me, and I think that's extremely healthy.
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A lot of people frown on competition, and because we have this, we live in this time of the ethos of equality, like equality was some grand achievement.
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I always say that there's you look at a tree and there's not a single leaf that is identical to the leaf next to it.
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They're all different.
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Like there's no equality in nature.
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Like it's just how it is.
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It's just and people don't like competition for that reason because it creates a hierarchy.
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And hierarchies are difficult.
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You have to struggle for them.
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You have to try hard to rank and and fight and win a tournament.
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And if you don't try hard enough, you're gonna be last.
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No one wants that.
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Everyone wants a medal and a trophy and a field and be a winner, but they don't want to struggle.
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And I and I think this is this is why I think these ideas of equality are are so popular in 2026 because they're so compatible with sloth.
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Like you can be, it's easy to be equal.
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Like it's hard to be different, it's hard to be to accept the hierarchy and the competition.
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But I think that there's something that's gained.
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People think that this is that this is detrimental to the human spirit.
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I don't believe that.
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I think it's this is what elevates the human spirit, is that you fight hard and you and you have a rival and you have someone trying to beat you, and you this is so healthy.
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It keeps your mind busy.
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Talk about meaning.
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You get a guy across the mats from you trying to beat you, and you have to do conditioning and diet and and cut weight and compare your tactics and like have everything line up because you gotta beat this guy.
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Talk about purpose, and you know, like this is this is great for the mind.
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It's extremely healthy.
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To me, it has been.
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Like, okay, I lose.
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So what?
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So what?
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Try again next year.
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Keep up the fight.
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The fight in itself has a lot of value.
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It's not the metal.
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That's what people don't get.
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It's not the metal, it's the fight itself.
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And I I am critical of a lot of these changes because the things we're talking about, that they have been we're and we're watching them, we're losing them.
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You know, little.
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We have like, I think they have like games at schools now with no scoreboards, I've heard recently.
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I believe it sounds like something they would do.
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So no one really won.
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You think you're helping when you do that, right?
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The people they this this this pedagogy of of everyone's a winner.
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They think they're doing a good to the world.
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They have no idea how much harm they're doing to this children.
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Yeah, I think they're doing a tremendous amount of harm and they don't know it.
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And I was just thinking, like, first of all, hierarchy is completely and totally natural and native to human beings.
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It will never go away.
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Ever.
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And also just opportunity in general, like equal opportunity, yes, not equality.
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It's equal opportunity to see if you can be equal, and you're probably not.
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And I love the mat because like I was living in a Rancho Santa Fe area for a while, and all these guys would come down with their Lambos and shit, and you know, they're just ballers and they go to Studio 540, and some 14-year-old kid on a bicycle just whoops their ass, you know.
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And it was it was great to see because it's like, I don't care how much money's in your pocket, what you drove up in here, and this is the ultimate equalizer, is the mat, man.
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And it's a very real environment.
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It's a very real environment.
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To me, people, you know, I've studied martial arts my whole life.
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I did I did a martial art called Sans Tzu, it was reality-based, we taught military, all that.
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I did Mui Thai, I fought professional MMA.
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Nothing compares to jujitsu or wrestling, but I think jujitsu even more, where you can go that hard and that violent without actually really harming the guy at times, so you can actually get real life.
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It's the only place you can get real life.
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You can't do that in Muay Thai.
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You spar like that, you'd be knocking each other out in two seconds.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You're absolutely right.
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It offers enough conflict within a more controlled environment, less impact.
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Like I agree, less impact in judo and wrestling, even though they're also grappling ours because you're on the ground, but you still walk away exhausted and it's highly competitive.
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It's very it's emotional and it's intellectual too.
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Like there are different, so many layers to to jutsu in terms of how competitive it is.
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I agree with you, man.
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Like this is um, you you get to be human, that that competitive side, that hunter gets to find expression.
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He finds a vehicle to like, I get to manifest the competitive animal within.
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Because a lot of times people try to put a lid on this and they go, like, oh, this is not good.
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You should not have that animal inside of you.
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Like, well, it it is.
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It's it's human.
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It's called being a human.
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You wouldn't be able to put a lid on it.
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It doesn't work.
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It never has.
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You create sports.
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That's that's what you do.
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You create sports, you have this avenue now for people to be the best versions of themselves.
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Be become like an Olympic old medalist, become a hero, right?
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Because you have something that that that is you you get to excel w within the gifts that you were given.
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I think it's so healthy, man.
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When when people frown on competition, I'm always like, man, I I don't I I just don't like I don't understand it.
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Like, where it's normally coming from people that don't compete or never have, and they just had a bad experience as a child, maybe.
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But man, if they had just passed that hurdle on stay, I I think it's incredibly healthy.
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I think we need jiu-jitsu more than ever.
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We need not just jujitsu, but whatever you happen to be into.
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I think jujitsu is just to your point, it can broaden, it's a bigger audience than Muay Thai because there's more longevity to it, right?
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But I think it's um I think it's it's it's it's it's incredibly needed, right?
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In this this age of automation, it's never been so important.
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I agree.
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I was thinking too about the repression of the male young man, where he needs to integrate his violence, he needs to integrate his nature.
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And when you repress that, he doesn't know how to express it.
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And I think that's where you see school shootings and all this crazy transgender stuff and all these things.
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They don't know how to express themselves because they're being literally oppressed in its own way.
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But I did want to touch on something because I know you're gonna say something on that.
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One thing I love about jujitsu for the audience is I can go to Barcelona right now, I can go to Mexico City, I can go to Dubai, and I can walk into almost a ready-built family like that.
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Bam, anywhere I travel, it's I've never seen a more welcoming community in my life.
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I'd go down to but sure.
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They might want they might try to tap me out and rip my head off once in a while, but most of the time it's like you got a built-in crew, you know?
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They will try to beat you, but that's not bad.
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Like they're not trying to hurt you.
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There's a difference.
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Like, oh, the person beat me up, and we people look at that like it's something terrible.
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And I'm always like, no, that's she's helping me.
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Like that's how you help people is by beating them up.
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It's a very totally naturalistic view on people that you would help them by beating them up.
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It sounds like how can that be the case?
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And that's exactly how you help them.
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You expose them, you show them where they're wrong and more they can be better, and you do that by beating them.
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Hope they're gonna hurt their feelings.
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Like, that's the point.
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It is the point.
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I'm curious your take on what I said about the repress the oppression of the young man today and his inability to express himself because he he's not allowed to show his violence and his aggression.
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I'll give you a good example: Mike Tyson and Costumado.
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Mike Tyson was on his way.
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He spent life in prison.
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That boy would have turned into a violent criminal and Costumato not understood what we're saying.
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And he saw that violence and that potential and said, and I think he uses that term.
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This is my revenge against the boxing world.
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I love Costumado.
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My revenge is better.
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He's better, he's angriest coach, you know?
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And then he finds this boy and he's an animal, and he says, We're gonna train you into becoming a world champion, youngest champion in the history of boxing to this day, I believe, right?
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19.
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Oh, and then Cuss did that because he understood what we're talking about.
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Now, if you go with the pedagogy of let's put a lid on this and let's get rid of this violent animal you have within, what would have happened to Mike Tyson?
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Would he have converted into becoming a monk?
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Or would he become a crime?
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I think it's more likely to be he would have become a criminal.
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Like he would have gone the complete opposite route.
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Like all this talent, I think had these guys found a calling early on, I think we would have had a lot less, the prison population will be a lot smaller around the world.
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I don't think you can get rid of crime, but I think a lot of crime comes down to people that never found a true calling in their life, and they end up immersing themselves in the wrong kind of hierarchy.
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Like in Brazil, if you're born in the slums, the pinnacle, the social pinnacle is being a drug dealer.
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It's not being a lawyer.
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Like no one in the slum wants to be a lawyer or a doctor.
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They want to be a drug.
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That's that's the guy that gets all the ladies.
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He gets all the respect and prestige.
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It makes sense, right?
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Like, but but that's because it was a negative hierarchy that was created there instead of like, hey, why not become the best boxer in the world?
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And if you don't fail, that's okay.
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Look at what life you live because of your due to your struggle.
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These things are missing, man.
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Like, I'm happy to have this conversation with you.
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I'm happy that there's still people that think this way.
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But I feel like the the we're talking of masculine values here, but it's such an effeminate time to be alive.
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I feel like Ian was already automate automatically the by default, the villain.
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And it's just a very strange time to be alive.
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Chris Williamson just talked about it.
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I think it was like 72% of women, they didn't have the best outlook on men, and only 7% of men agreed with that.
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And it's interesting.
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And I was thinking about what you said about the favelas, and I've talked about this on my podcast before or with other guests I'm saying.
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And I mean, my main goal at 14 years old, Robert, was to go to the penitentiary because my uncle went, my grandfather went, and that's where you kind of became like the man, right?
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And so I don't think people understand that if you take these young men and you just kind of steer them in a specific direction.
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Like, listen, if your uncle's a hedge fund manager, you're gonna want to be a hedge fund manager.
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If your uncle's the baddest vato on the block, you're gonna want to be that guy.
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And I think that people don't understand that about human nature and that men inherently aren't bad.
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They just need to be directed.
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And there's so much beautiful energy there.
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You know, and I think that's what we're missing in society, society today, just to completely completely piggyback off of you is how do we direct these young men and have mentors like myself and you teaching in schools and bringing them up, you know, or even in Costa Rica, what what I forget his name, but what he's doing, you know.
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I think that's so awesome to take those kids in and train them.
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And I think the more aggressive, violent male nature you can express at a young age in a healthy manner, I think the healthier society will be in the future.
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100%.
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You're trying, you're trying to you're trying to suffocate an animal and you wonder why it's screaming inside, you know.
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Like it does, it doesn't look I and I think it comes down to a pedagogy that's very, very ingrained in American schools.
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Unfortunately, the world copies the US in the worst possible ways.
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I say this to my Brazilian friends all the time.
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Brazilians copy Americans in the worst possible ways, not the best great things about this country.
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Brazilians don't even know about them.
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But when it comes to the bad things, like our problems, they all get imported to Brazil somehow.
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Like, why would you import us?
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Those are American problems.
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Why would you be why would you bring them over here?
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But they do.
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And this includes this pedagogy of everyone's a victim, you know, that everyone's got to be a winner and no one gets left behind.
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You can't repeat a grade.
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As a result, no one's learning.
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You lower the standard.
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Oh, this book is too hard.
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Just you know, read a synopsis of it.
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Like, well, like what do you call the the the testing with the X is what is an info?
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What do you call it?
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Multiple choice or multiple choice test.
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You just lower the bar.
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It could be lowering the bar.
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And then as a result, these kids don't know how to read, they don't know how to read, they don't know how to think, they don't know how to vote.
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And then you get you it it's it it it trickles down to every aspect of of of life in a in a republic because it starts with family, it starts with education.
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The first unit is a family, the second one is school.
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And if they're both corrupted, why are you surprised that that you you know you you have I don't want to get political here, but let's be frank here between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump, I I can't tell like really these are we went from Thomas Jefferson to this.
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How did that happen?
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How did we go from Thomas Jefferson to Kamala Harris and Donald Trump?
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Something happened, man.
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Like you can't tell me that the word this is a healthy republic when those are our options.
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Like something happened.
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And what what happened?
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And I think it starts with the schools, family first and school second.
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And it's something is broken along the way.
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You know, something isn't working.
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I think it started personally, and we don't have to even dive into this, but if you want to, it's just the the two whole household income.
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I think when you start to remove the mother from the home and break all that down, you created a situation which was kids being raised like latch key children and just not having real parental guidance.
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It just created a totally different dynamic.
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And I know that there are some, listen, I am all for equality and women be able to make choices and do things like that.
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But when you remove the main caretaker from the home, I think it changes the whole dynamic.
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You know, the the problem started when, and I don't know when this started or where this idea comes from, that being a CEO ranks higher than being a mother.
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And that's very strange to me.
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But I think being a mother is the most important job on the planet.
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I don't mean a job in the technical sense of the word, but in the broader, like your it's your role as a human.
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It's the toughest job, man.
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It is the toughest and most important.
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The most important.
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Like how I mean a mother is infinitely more important to society than a CEO.
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But like at some point, people have been convinced that being a mother is like below you.
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That's like, oh, that's a shitty job.
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That's not important.
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Like, that is the most important job.
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And yeah, and I'm with you, I'm all for freedom of choice for everyone.
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But at the same time, there are consequences to this.
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You know, I've I've been I got married recently.
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And my wife uh she's from Kazakhstan, Central Asia.
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And um, one of the first conversations we had early on when we were talking was how she wanted to be a mother and a and a and a wife, and she wanted to quit her job and just work for the family.
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And like that was just like major green flag.
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And I'm like, amen, that's what I want.
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I want a happy family.
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What's wrong with that?
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But that is frowned upon.
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Like her friends would try to talk to her, like, no, you have to keep your career.
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And I'm like, for what?
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I I I mean, what's I I don't know, man.
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It's it's there's a cost to that.
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I I agree.
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I think the family unit has been severely damaged in the West.
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I can't speak for other countries, but in Brazil and the United States, especially in the United States, even more than Brazil, they like it's it's almost like non-existent.
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You know what?
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Like when I was visiting her family in Kazakhstan, her parents, I can't remember if it's her mom or dad or one of her someone or friends, I it was someone, I can't remember who, but asked me this question Is it true that in your country they have uh hospices?
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Oh not hospice, like uh assisted living, right?
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And then I was like, that was the first, I never thought about that because their grandma lives with them and she has dementia, but they take care of her because that's what you do.
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And then to them was like kind of like almost like absurd.
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Like you guys really let your parents just rotten up.
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And I'm like, man, that was terrible that we do that.
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We I I never considered it, right?
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And it tweeted her own.
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I some people might have circumstances where this is necessary, but you know, there's something there's something wrong.
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There's something that doesn't so well if you these people take care of you their whole lives, and now that they need you, you're gonna just drop them off and say goodbye.
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Like, I don't know, man.
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It's something's been lost.
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You know, I think you said basically you said repercussions are like trade-offs, right?
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Like everything's a trade-off.
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And I think what people don't realize is like, sure, like you have two daughters, I'm sure if they wanted to be whatever they want to be, you want to encourage them.
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But I think in the same token or same boat is you kind of think there is a trade-off to that.
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Sure, awesome.
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I want this female to be able to do whatever she wants in her life.
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And also, if we have no mothers at home, what does that do to society as a whole?
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And what you start to realize is men, I think, even look at society as a whole a little more than women realize.
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Like we've created this whole infrastructure thing, and women's job is to help with that infrastructure in different ways.
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And if we split that off, we are seeing the repercussions.
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Like, I don't know what the next 20 years are going to be like, but it's not looking good.
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I can tell you that.
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And the US as a whole is falling off, and other places are rising up because they have that family cohesiveness.
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Well, they they they function well within.
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You know, there's that the family, I again to your point, it starts with the family now.
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If that isn't working, you can't expect any other aspects of society to work.
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Like if the family starts with a family, and then this is something that's been completely abandoned.
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The focus goes.
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I I used to be highly I still, you know, follow politics.
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I I agree, but I don't I'm not political as a person anymore.
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I've I've abandoned most of my positions.
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And the reason being is like at some point I realized like it doesn't matter what parties in power.
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If the family unit isn't working, it really doesn't matter.
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It's the country's not gonna work.
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You can put the most competent people in power, like this, it's not gonna make a difference, man.
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The country's not gonna work where moms and dads aren't like doing their job.
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And I I'll I'll give you another one, man.
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And like I deal with this all the time.
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I deal with parents all the time.
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Don't some of people don't know how to be parents, they they don't discipline their kids at all.
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Zero discipline.
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The kids have zero respect.
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So they bring them to jujitsu so I can do their job for them.
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Okay, I'll do my best.
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But they come in, you think they let me do my job?
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They don't let you do your job.
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The second you like if you can't say anything, the kid then does whatever they want, there are no repercussions.
00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:27.200
And then if you say anything, oh my god, you can't talk to my child like that.
00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:29.440
I'm like, you see how your child is talking to me.
00:27:29.599 --> 00:27:31.440
And I presume that he does the same thing to you.
00:27:31.599 --> 00:27:33.039
My dad's a school teacher, okay?
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:35.440
Like he's got nightmares on the stories he tells me.
00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:37.279
I'm just like, he's retiring now, fine.
00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:42.559
But like so happy that he's retiring because I feel bad for him because he's such a good, kind-hearted human being.
00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:44.559
That he doesn't deserve to be treated like that.
00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:45.920
But there are no concepts.
00:27:46.079 --> 00:27:53.119
You can't say anything, you can't do anything, you can't coach them, they can't fail a grade, they can't, they, they, they have these perfect little angels.
00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:54.640
They can't be called on anything.
00:27:54.799 --> 00:27:56.079
And then they grow up to be assholes.
00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:57.119
And I don't know what people think.
00:27:57.200 --> 00:27:58.880
I don't understand the spectacle.
00:27:59.039 --> 00:27:59.839
I don't understand.
00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:03.680
You think that the day they turn 18, they're gonna turn into solid citizens.
00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:08.000
So you raise them to be these little entitled little shits their entire lives.
00:28:08.079 --> 00:28:10.960
And the day they turn 18, they're gonna turn into mature adults.
00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:12.559
You really truly believe that.
00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:15.279
Like I saw- I think that's the soft feminine approach.
00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:16.960
I get it, and it's exactly what it is.
00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:18.480
It's an effeminate world.
00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:20.400
Like it's and then people say that it's a man's world.
00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:22.480
I'm like, I don't know what world you guys are living in.
00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:25.519
These are all feminine, these are very like effeminate values now.
00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:29.119
Like you just feel sorry and you give them another chance, and poor kid, poor kid.
00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:30.400
And there's a place for that in the world.
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:33.759
I'm not neglecting the role of love and compassion in the world.
00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:37.359
But there there must be what Nietzsche called an economy of compassion.
00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:42.000
He uses that term, and it's he's not against compassion, but an economy of compassion.
00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:43.920
You just don't give it away all the time for free.
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:51.039
Like, no, no, no, because if you give it a that's the other thing, give it away to people that don't need it when you're not gonna have any left to the people that actually do need your compassion.
00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:54.640
So there I do believe that it isn't it should be an economy of compassion in these things.
00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:56.480
You don't give it away for free all the time.
00:28:56.640 --> 00:28:57.359
Do you deserve it?
00:28:57.440 --> 00:28:58.000
Do you need it?
00:28:58.160 --> 00:28:58.319
No.
00:28:58.400 --> 00:29:00.640
Then okay, so what you need is get study harder.
00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:04.240
Oh, I can't read this book, try again, try again, try again.
00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:05.359
So you figure it out.
00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:06.960
Or I can't win this tournament.
00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:08.640
Well, keep what are you gonna do, man?
00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:13.200
Like, and then it's this this this idea that if things are easier, things would be better.
00:29:13.359 --> 00:29:15.519
And Mark, we're we're watching it happen.
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:16.240
It doesn't work.
00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:17.680
It's completely obvious.
00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:21.039
I even think when you look at some of the women, like, I don't understand why the guys are like this today.
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:22.319
Why can't I find any men?
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:23.680
Where's the real men in the world?
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:25.039
It's like, this is what you created.
00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:26.319
I mean, you have what is it?
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:30.640
I think 80, 90% of psychologists and school teachers are all female, you know.
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:36.079
And I think that I remember that now I'm going back 20 years ago when I was teaching at No Rules down in Henderson.
00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:39.200
These parents, the kid would start crying, and this is 20 years ago.
00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:40.960
I'd be like, nope, get off my mat.
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:42.240
Don't you stay right there?
00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:43.200
And I wouldn't let them on the mat.
00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:43.839
And the kid would cry.
00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:44.880
I'm like, nope, let them cry.
00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:46.559
You probably can't do that today.
00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:48.240
But I wouldn't let him on the mat.
00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:50.640
And I also was a small school, I knew every parent.
00:29:50.799 --> 00:29:52.400
I was like, nope, let them cry.
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:54.319
Because how are they going to learn?
00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:56.319
And don't get me wrong, I know you I agree with you.
00:29:56.400 --> 00:30:02.079
We need love, we need compassion, but I I'm gonna start using that, the economy of compassion, because it's not for free.
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:05.279
You just can't give it away and expect that you're gonna have any respect for it.
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:17.839
And and yeah, and I I've experienced this like, you know, I've I used to be a lot more giving when I was younger, but you get so burned by that too, because you did give it to people that don't deserve it, and that burns you, and all of a sudden you don't want to give it to anyone.
00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:22.480
And like sometimes I have to ask myself, remind myself to be more compassionate because that's how I used to be.
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:24.880
So it's almost like sometimes you swing the other way.
00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:26.720
And there's there's a balance in these things.
00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:34.160
And and where you there is a time and place to pick up a child that hurt itself and say, Come here, baby, and give it a hug.
00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:36.720
But there's a time and place to say, Well, cry me a river.
00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:37.920
Those are crocodile tears.
00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:38.480
I know what you're doing.
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:39.839
Like, and I say I have kids now.
00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:40.480
I have kids.
00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:42.480
It's it's something about little girls crying.
00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:46.400
They just like they trigger something in your brain, you immediately want to help them and feel sorry for them.
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:48.559
But a lot of times you're actually like, wait, hold up.
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:49.599
Are they fed?
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:50.319
Yeah, they're fed.
00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:51.359
Are they in the rain?
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No.
00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:52.400
Are they cold?
00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:52.799
No.
00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:56.480
They're sheltered, like she's complaining about cleaning her room.
00:30:56.640 --> 00:30:59.039
Like, what that does not warrant crying.
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:00.319
Like, she's trying to manipulate me.
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:05.839
So there's a lot of there's an element of manipulation in the crying and feeling like a victim because a victim is immune to criticism.
00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:08.880
Victim gets perks, you can't criticize you.
00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:12.400
You you can be a victim and still be guilty of of something.
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:14.319
These things are not mutually exclusive.
00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:18.799
But when you cry, you like you like, okay, I I am the you you you put this cloak of victimhood on.
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:22.000
It's like, oh, no one can no one can call me on anything now because I'm crying.
00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:25.279
So it's almost like the softness has become like some kind of virtue.
00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:29.920
Whereas in we're talking more masculine values, that would be I mean, your grandpa would frown on you.
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:31.039
You men don't cry.
00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:32.160
I mean, I cry all the time.
00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:32.480
Oh, yeah.
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:34.000
I if I if I'm sad, I cry.
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:36.319
I'm not one of those that hold back tears if I'm happy.
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:40.880
So I've had students of mine win world titles and I cry at cheers of joy, but it's true.
00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:41.920
Cry for good reason.
00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:46.079
You're not crying because your parents asked you to clean the room or you know, something like that.
00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:50.400
But there's um there's uh there's there's a lot, man.
00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:54.079
There's a there's a lot that's going on with with what's wrong with education.
00:31:54.799 --> 00:31:55.440
I agree.
00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:57.200
I think they need a little more tough love.
00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:01.519
And they need a little more tough love, and they need to realize that that children are master manipulators.
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:02.240
Master.
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:04.319
I remember my daughter when she was two years old.
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:06.960
She would like walk up to me and say, Daddy, one more cookie.
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:08.480
And then I go, No, you already had one.
00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:10.240
Daddy, one more cookie, please.
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:15.920
And then she leaned and kissed on the nose, and I was just like, and I know what she's doing, but it worked.
00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:18.720
She's like two, three years old and she's manipulating me.
00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:20.240
And they just get better at it.
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:21.759
Kids just get better and better at it.
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:24.079
But I, you know, to your point, tough love is real.
00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:26.799
And you know why tough love is not popular, because it's hard.
00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:28.160
It's difficult to give tough love.
00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:30.480
It's easy to give the soft love where you go, have everything you want.
00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:33.680
There's perfect, because you can wash your hands clean and go, I don't have to raise you.
00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:35.759
I don't have to train you, I don't have to educate you.
00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:36.880
I can just wash my hands clean.
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:38.000
Hey, here's your iPad.
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:39.279
You don't have to go to school.
00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:40.960
No, you got bad grades, that's fine.
00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:42.319
You give them everything they want.
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:45.920
And this, like, oh, children need to be children, they need to be happy and free.
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:55.279
And really, the real reason is that you don't have the courage and the mettle to actually raise your kids the way you should, because that's way harder than just giving them an iPad.
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:57.599
And I know this, I'm not saying I'm a perfect parent, bro.
00:32:57.680 --> 00:32:59.039
I have many flaws as a pet.
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:06.480
But like I'm pretty sure that I know the difference between good parents and bad parents, and especially as a martial arts coach, I've seen both.
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:10.000
I think it's really challenging to handle your own emotions.
00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:14.880
It is harder on you to tell your kid no than it is on the kid, and you don't want to feel bad and you want the kid to love you.
00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:16.240
And it's just the same thing with your buddy.
00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:19.920
It's like you don't want to bother your buddy, be like, bro, get your ass in the gym.
00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:20.720
What are you doing?
00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:21.839
What's wrong with you?
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:23.839
You know, you got this beer belly or whatever.
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:25.200
And people don't want to do that.
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:29.920
And that's somebody who really cares about you, who really says, hey man, you're going down the wrong path.
00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:31.279
You're not showing up the way you should.
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:33.839
You're not coming to class, you're not training with us, you look like shit.
00:33:33.920 --> 00:33:34.880
You what are you doing?
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:36.559
I think that's someone who really loves you.
00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:36.960
Yeah.
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:41.440
No, I I mean, as a coach, I you're from Vegas, so you you probably heard this.
00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:47.119
Like, I'm I have like a reputation for being an author authoritarian and like all these things.
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:52.640
And I I can be difficult to deal with only if you have this mindset that we're criticizing.
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:54.640
Like as a coach, you win a tournament.
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:56.400
I'm gonna walk up to you and tell you what you did wrong.
00:33:56.480 --> 00:33:57.839
I'll congratulate you, I'll give you a hug.
00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:02.000
I mean, I I've shed tears over students winning big events, right?
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:03.759
So I'm very emotionally involved.
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:06.400
But it I'm still gonna sit you down and tell you what you did wrong.
00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:08.159
Like, oh blah, blah, how could you do that to someone?
00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:09.519
I'm like, well, because I care.
00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:11.440
How do I help you if not telling you the truth?
00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:12.559
Oh, but I don't want to hear it.
00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:13.679
Oh, well, that's the issue.
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:15.280
Then it's not me telling you the truth.
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:17.840
The truth doesn't have an issue, but the truth is the truth.
00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:18.719
You have a problem.
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:20.800
The truth hurts my feelings.
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:23.039
Your feelings need to adjust to the truth.
00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:28.639
And that's the problem, is that these guys are this this ideology of adjusting the truth to my feelings.
00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:29.440
It's delusional.
00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:29.920
I tell you.
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:31.440
It's it's a case of truth is truth.
00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:38.000
Oh, you are you can't be serious, that you want the truth and the facts to adjust to your feelings, right?
00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:41.920
It's incredibly dangerous because we've got to remember feelings aren't all necessarily good.
00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:43.119
Hate is a feeling.
00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:44.159
You know, anger is a feeling.
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:48.079
These things like you're not in control of your feelings at all, as an adult should be.
00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:50.800
This is not, it's it's it's it's incredibly unhealthy.
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:52.800
I I remember I trained at your school for a little bit.
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:56.000
I remember the way you you taught and trained, and and I think it, I think it's healthy.
00:34:56.079 --> 00:35:00.400
I remember even telling some guys sometimes, I was like, you know, funny thing about Robert is he doesn't give an inch.
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:03.519
And you could be like a blue belt, and it doesn't matter because he's just gonna push at you.
00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:05.679
And most guys like, oh, just let him play and flow.
00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:08.800
And I'm like, and it was different with you, and I remember that specifically.
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:11.840
I actually want to kind of rotate into the training a little bit.
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:17.039
You know, you trained a lot of guys that are considered some of the best guys in the world.
00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:20.960
And I've watched you on the mat with them just kind of murder them for lack of better words.
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:27.679
And I'm curious how that worked out when you were training with some of these high-level UFC guys and different guys, and and and how the ego played out.
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:30.000
Was it was there ever any like real battles there?
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:33.679
It was just you were really respected for your craft and they realized that's why they were there training with you.
00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:35.519
Man, I I needed training partners.
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:37.920
I was a rookie in MMA, you know, when I moved to Vegas.
00:35:38.079 --> 00:35:40.880
I had my jujitsu accolades, but nothing in MMA.
00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:42.719
I've never been punked in the face in my life.
00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:45.760
I was criticized for doing an amateur MMA fight, you know.
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:53.440
But uh I'm like, I've never been hit in the face, and everyone can say they're tough, but I've seen many guys who believe they were tough, you know, break the second they get hit.
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:54.079
Tough guys.
00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:54.480
Totally.
00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:56.159
I mean, non-dessor, at least.
00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:58.079
You know, so I wasn't, I wouldn't, I don't know.
00:35:58.159 --> 00:35:59.280
I don't know myself that well.
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:04.400
So, but I when I immersed myself in that world, I sort of became it was a weird situation.
00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:07.280
I I quite cornered myself in, I put myself in a very strange corner.
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:11.440
I I came to Vegas to fight MMA, but right away, people started asking me questions.
00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:16.800
I had just won the ADCC world title, and everyone was like bombarding me with questions that I love to teach.
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:19.440
At heart, I think I'm more of a coach than a fighter.
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:24.800
You know, I never had expectations for myself as a fighter, but I always had expectations for myself as a coach.
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:29.280
Even though I'm probably not known as a coach, I'm more known as a fighter or a former fighter.
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:31.920
But these guys are asking me questions, asking me to corner them.
00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:36.159
I'm like, yeah, so I'm cornering UFC title fights before I made my MMA DB.
00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:45.440
Now, typically you accumulate 20, 30 MMA fights, you retire, and then you begin your career as a coach, and then you climb your way to your students are, you know, fighting for a UFC title.
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:49.039
I was cornering UFC title fights when I was 0-0, you know.
00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:51.760
So I was cornering guys and training simultaneously.
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:54.719
So we had a relationship where like Forrest is a good example.
00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:57.119
He was my main training partner for 12 years.
00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:04.320
And I won't say I was like, I was sort of like a coach to him, but our relationship was somewhere between coach and training partners because he helped me too.
00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:07.599
It was almost like it was not that hierarchical sort of relationship.
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:09.360
And that exists in with other people too.
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:12.400
I had that with James McSweeney too, where I helped him with jujitsu.
00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:13.599
He helped me with kickboxing.
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:19.920
And it was, it was, it's not ideal, even though though these bonds are very important and they still are good friends and their bonds are important.
00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:24.000
I believe that what works best is a hierarchical structure, military-like.
00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:27.280
People don't like it because it's hard and boring and difficult.
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:30.159
But basically, what they do in collegiate wrestling, it works.
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:32.400
I don't care what people say, it's what works.
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:33.599
No, and it doesn't matter.
00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:36.559
I mean, it can be fun and it kind of doesn't have to be brutal all the time.
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:37.760
It can be healthy.
00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:43.280
But I I think that that the coach, like that top-down structure at the end of the day, does work better.
00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:45.039
I'm curious how your training was with Frank.
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:48.719
I know you trained with Frank for a little bit too for some of the title fights and things like that.
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:50.000
Frank was a good friend.
00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:54.960
He's still one of my best friends, and um it was I was his coach, but I learned a lot from him too, you know.
00:37:55.039 --> 00:37:56.400
So it was and a training partner.
00:37:56.480 --> 00:37:57.679
So it was a similar relationship.
00:37:57.840 --> 00:37:59.360
We we we're still good friends, man.
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:03.760
Like I'm I'm happy to see his daughter thrive in wrestling and jujitsu now.
00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:08.079
We we we always had that that sort of relationship where you know we helped each other out.
00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:12.320
Always been a he was a great training partner, one of the most gifted people I've ever met, my guys.
00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:18.639
Yeah, he definitely had that small man jujitsu, but I think both of you did, you know, training under Leo Vieira and then also him.
00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:19.920
I think it's it's just interesting.
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:24.000
I'm curious, I just want to touch on one thing selfishly in the jujitsu world.
00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:34.000
I'm just curious about your road to ADCC and you basically submitting one of the best scrappers of all time, you know, who is is my favorite black bullet in the world, um, is Marcelo.
00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:35.519
He's mine too.
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:36.239
Is he?
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:36.800
I'm sure.
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:40.719
I mean, like everybody talks about Gordon and all that, but I mean to me, Marcelo is just the best ever.
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:41.760
I I just love the guy.
00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:43.760
There are very few people in jujitsu.
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:47.440
I mean, for example, you can point out people that have won more titles than Marcelo.
00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:50.239
You can point out people that have beaten Marcelo, right?
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:52.400
Like Shesha has more world titles.
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:55.199
Roger is hands down the most dominant guy in history, right?
00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:57.280
Bia Mesquita has an insane amount of titles.
00:38:57.519 --> 00:38:59.920
Via Mesquita has more titles than everyone put together, bro.
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:03.920
Her amount of world champions, the world titles and national titles were just it's just insane.
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:10.159
But I think when it comes to that, like and soccer out of comparison to, I don't know if you follow soccer, I'm a big soccer fan, Ronaldinho.
00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:14.320
Yeah, there was just like there are guys that were like Messi and Marciano Ronaldo won more than him, sure.
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:18.559
But there was just something beautiful about watching play that everyone just been like, oh man.
00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:19.519
It was like art.
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:21.119
And Marcelo is one of those guys.
00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:22.639
Hafaio Mendes is another.
00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:23.760
I love Hafaio Mendes.
00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:28.639
He's got such the precision of the precision, Mika Galvan is the other.
00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:32.880
Like they just have this finesse about their movement, it is just so beautiful to watch.
00:39:33.039 --> 00:39:34.159
I never had that, man.
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:36.960
I I had grit, I had heart, I had aggressiveness.
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:37.840
Like that was my weapon.
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:42.400
It was not finesse, it was not precision, it was not athletic ability, it was aggression, right?
00:39:42.559 --> 00:39:43.599
It was hard and grit.
00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:44.719
Like that was my power.
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:49.679
But when it comes to guys like Garcia, man, they just it's like ballet, man.
00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:52.480
It's just that the timing and the finesse of the movement.
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:55.920
It's very hard to run because you can move, you make a move, and you're like clumsy about it.
00:39:56.000 --> 00:40:03.039
It's like it's it's and like it's like a guy with a sniper rifle that hits the bullseye every single time he fires that shot.
00:40:03.519 --> 00:40:09.039
Whereas for most guys, it's like you have like a machine gun and you and you spray and you hope that one of them hits the bullseye.
00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:10.000
That's me.
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:10.400
That was me.
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:11.519
I was the machine gun guy.
00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:14.000
Like, and some of these guys are just like snipers now.
00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:18.400
They're just boom every time out of the dot and you're like, how do you move that well?
00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:19.280
He's the best.
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:20.000
I love to do it.
00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:23.840
I I I love, I, I, I love to to to watch high-level jujitsu.
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:25.360
There's so many great guys these days.
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:26.639
I'm always impressed.
00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:30.719
I like if you watch the kids, if you want to find a high-level jujitsu, watch it.
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:31.440
Bro, it's insane.
00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:39.519
I've seen 14-year-old matches, 14-year-old kids across ABCC trials, they look like high-level Bibles to me.
00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:42.320
Like, I can't imagine what these kids are gonna be in five games.
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:42.880
Crazy.
00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:46.719
I look at I look at Kai from Cobra Kai and Shy, who's now at 10th planet.
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:48.800
I'm like, she's I'm like just what is going on?
00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:50.880
I do have a question for you, I'm really interested in.
00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:52.639
You already said Marcello was your favorite.
00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:54.320
Who do you wish you could have fought?
00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:58.000
Like, one fight I always wanted to see, and I don't think it ever happened, was you and Rafael Lovato.
00:40:58.239 --> 00:40:59.199
But I'm just curious.
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:00.159
It did happen.
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:00.639
What?
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:01.360
It did happen.
00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:04.159
Yeah, Lovato beat me twice in the in the teen division.
00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:05.519
In the teen division, okay.
00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:07.119
But that's 0-2.
00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:09.440
I two against Rafael Lovato.
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:11.039
Baster that dude, he's a beast.
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:13.199
Did you see he went, he's like wrestling now and he just won.
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:14.480
I don't know how he mark.
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:14.960
I don't know.
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:18.400
I every time I see him, and if he ever watches this, he will confirm.
00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:19.599
I congratulate him.
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:23.360
Because I think he's a little bit younger than me, but not by much, maybe a year or two.
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:26.800
Yeah, but he is he is um and it's incredible.
00:41:26.960 --> 00:41:31.599
Him and cyborg, I'm like, when they're doing this, I'm like, I can't, I I don't know how you guys do it, man.
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:34.880
Because I'm the same age as cyborg, and I'm like, I'm falling apart, man.
00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:36.559
I have arthritis all over my body.
00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:37.760
And I'm tired too, man.
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:39.119
I'm tired of running sprints.
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:39.679
I'm tired.
00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:40.800
I I I love the art.
00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:41.519
I love coaching.
00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:42.239
Don't get me wrong.
00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:48.320
But when it comes to all grinding every day and preparing for a competition, man, like I got so many miles on my body, man.
00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:50.800
Like, I just want to preserve them so I can age well.
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:53.440
I just want to drive those miles with care.
00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:54.719
I admire them deeply.
00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:59.360
The only guy from my generation that I never fought was Homulubajo.
00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:01.679
We were in the same weight, same bracket a few times.
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:02.639
It just never happened.
00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:09.280
Everyone else from my the list of people, like I was just thinking about this the other day, because a lot of people tell me like, oh, jujitsu now was harder than then.
00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:15.440
And I go, there are more people, but there are also a lot more tournaments, which means you guys don't fight each other as much as we did.
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:20.559
Because back in the day, there were like, you know, ADCC, IBJ JF Worlds, Pans, and Brazilian Nationals.
00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:22.000
Those are the four big ones, really.
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:27.360
You know, and ADCC was every other year, and most people didn't make it there anyway, because it was like more boutique, right?
00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:29.840
It's like a closed, like 16-man bracket only.
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:43.519
So what happened is you, but because there were only those such so few tournaments, and Marcelo García was one that made this point to me when I was talking to him a while ago, and he said, Rob, I fought Teddy, who was the other best middleweight in the world at the time, four times my first year as a black belt.
00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:44.159
And that's true.
00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:46.079
Like these guys would fight each other.
00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:48.000
We would fight like every tournament.
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:52.079
You had a bracket, like it was just insane because that's where all the best guys were.
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:58.960
Now you have these exclusive contracts, you have so many organizations, you have the gi and the no-gi, completely different separate worlds, unfortunately.
00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:00.960
It's like you don't see the best fight in the best.
00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:03.519
Like, when are we gonna see Mika Delvone and Tainan Delpra?
00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:04.559
When are we gonna see K.
00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:06.239
Brutolo and Mika Delvone?
00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:07.360
Like, I want to see these matches.
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:08.880
Like, why can't I see them all the time?
00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:11.599
I want to see them four times a year, but we're not seeing them everywhere.
00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:13.840
I want to see Baby Shark and Mike Mushamesi.
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:14.880
Why aren't we watching that?
00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:17.199
That should that match should be taken place four times a year.
00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:21.440
Back in the day, Mike Mushimesi would have fought Baby Shark like five, six times by now.
00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:22.400
And we haven't seen it happen.
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:23.199
Right?
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:24.480
So the best are not fighting the best.
00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:28.320
Like, I had three years as a black belt where I competed actively as a boss.
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:29.119
Three years only.
00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:30.000
It was very shortly.
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:34.400
My black bill career was very short because I moved over him and made it the second I won the ADCC.
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:35.599
But look at the guys I fought.
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:43.199
I fought Roger Gracie, Ronaldo Jacaré, Alexandre Rivero, Brau Uschima, Cyborg, Andre Galvon.
00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:45.199
Dude, like just the list goes on.
00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:49.679
And like some of these guys, some of the best guys of my generation, they were all in your bracket.
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:52.639
If you want to be a world champion, it had to be two or three of those names.
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:53.360
That's insane.
00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:55.199
How do you be two or three of those names?
00:43:55.280 --> 00:43:56.559
But that's that was the bracket.
00:43:56.639 --> 00:43:58.320
You had two or three of these names in your bracket.
00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:00.960
I remember the first ADCCs, I was like Like, look at this lineup.
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:01.920
Like it was insane.
00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:03.599
Just the guys out there is is awesome.
00:44:03.760 --> 00:44:05.840
And and it's and the level is super high now, Mark.
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:09.280
What people don't understand is that it's gotten so dispersed.
00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:15.039
Like even the last CD6C, like with a CGI thing, the the best no geek rappers in the world got split.
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:16.719
Half of them went one way, half the other.
00:44:16.960 --> 00:44:19.519
As a spectator, man, that kind of ruins the show a little bit.
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:21.199
I know it's I'm not blaming anyone for it.
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:22.079
It is what it is.
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:24.480
But at the same time, as a spectator, I'm like, this sucks, man.
00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:25.840
I want to see the best fight the best.
00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:31.679
I wonder if it'll play out better where maybe we'll have some really big super fights where like, hey, let's get Baby Shark and Mustomes together and do a big whole thing.
00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:33.360
I mean, for just I'm just talking about the game.
00:44:33.519 --> 00:44:34.079
You know the game.
00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:35.039
But it'll be interesting.
00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:37.679
This promoter, they're businesses.
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:45.760
Like, so they're gonna have to find enough compatibility, and that's gonna be hard where they can reach an agreement, knowing that their champion might lose to their rivals' champion, right?
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:47.920
Like there's a lot on the line here.
00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:59.119
So the more money comes into the sport, I think that the less likely these things are to happen because the fighters, too, they become sort of like I'm not no, not all of them, but a lot of them become like primadonna's.
00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:03.599
Yeah, like a lot of these guys, it's like purple belts, purple belts that won't compete unless they get paid.
00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:05.360
I'm like, who do you think you are?
00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:06.639
Like you have to get paid.
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:08.320
You've been training for five years, you're a beginner.
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:11.599
Like I'm a purple, everyone, like you know, like a local tournament champion.
00:45:11.679 --> 00:45:13.679
And they won't compete unless they they get, I don't know.
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:17.199
Like, whoa, sorry, purple belt.
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:18.559
Welcome to the game, bro.
00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:22.159
But it's it's such a it's there's something arrogant about that, too.
00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:23.039
Like totally.
00:45:23.199 --> 00:45:23.840
I agree.
00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:26.159
I never made any big money from fighting.
00:45:26.239 --> 00:45:29.119
I got I've been paid before, but always like nothing that would change my life.
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:30.239
Zero regrets, man.
00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:31.440
I have my medals and that's enough.
00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:34.159
I have my memories, I have my perspective and my experience.
00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:35.440
I have no regrets.
00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:38.239
When I see these guys complain about money, I'm always puzzled.
00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:39.440
It's never been better.
00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:40.800
People never complain more.
00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:41.840
That's the interesting part.
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:43.679
My generation was zero money.
00:45:43.840 --> 00:45:44.639
No one complained.
00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:45.679
No one complained.
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:46.480
Everyone just competed.
00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:49.360
I made$250 to fight Jason Miller.
00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:50.000
Mayhem.
00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:50.480
Man.
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:52.000
Like$250.
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:54.559
You know, it's like people don't, and that was an MMA fight.
00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:58.400
I think people don't realize like the you know, Mike Tyson said it best.
00:45:58.480 --> 00:45:59.360
He goes, I was a killer.
00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:00.480
He goes, you guys are just here.
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:00.960
What did he say?
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:02.480
He goes, You guys are just here for the money.
00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:04.079
And it's and it's really the truth.
00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:04.320
Yeah.
00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:05.440
Just a different world.
00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:13.360
Yeah, I um I I could dive into some of this, but I want to actually switch gears of touch, and I just want to kind of talk about your philosophy.
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:18.079
You know, you are kind of, in my opinion, the philosopher of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:19.199
At least that's how I see you.
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:22.239
And I'm curious, you know, you wrote two books.
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:23.679
I know the first one was controversial.
00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:25.840
I did not know much about the second one, so I apologize.
00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:30.639
I'm curious if you can elaborate kind of just on some of your wisdom or theories.
00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:37.760
Like you just shared something really amazing with me that I had no idea, which was that Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu was nothing until it came to the States and it it blew up at the same time.
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:38.639
I didn't even know that.
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:40.719
And I think a lot of people don't know.
00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:48.079
And what was kind of your maybe mission in writing the books, or what did you want the world to know, or if you could just share a little bit so you know, maybe it compel us to want to go read them?
00:46:48.320 --> 00:46:51.360
I released two new books the last year in August.
00:46:51.519 --> 00:46:54.000
So I have four jiu-jitsu history books out.
00:46:54.159 --> 00:46:55.760
I'm working on another one.
00:46:56.000 --> 00:47:00.800
Um I motivations, Mark, are not easy to determine, man.
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:03.280
Like we we we think our motivations are always noble.
00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:08.639
And sometimes they are, but that doesn't mean that they don't coexist with other motivations that are not so noble.
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:10.000
I do love history.
00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:14.639
I I was my my dream as a child was to be an archaeologist, not a fighter, not a coach.
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:17.280
I've been reading encyclopedia since I was a child.
00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:19.199
I've had a book with me since I could read.
00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:21.519
I've always read, I've never not been reading something.
00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:22.639
I'm always reading something.
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:24.639
Always, since I was since I learned how to read.
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:25.280
I love books.
00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:26.480
I've always been that way.
00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:28.400
I do think it's a great story.
00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:30.960
I enjoy writing, I enjoy discussing it.
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:34.159
I I don't deny that there's a degree of vanity in it as well.
00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:37.599
I think that writing in general is something there's something vain about it.
00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:39.280
Like, why, why is my idea?
00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:40.719
Why is my idea important?
00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:46.960
Like, what makes you think that my way of thinking, or what do I even have anything to say or an opinion that's that can educate someone?
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:49.599
There's something presumptuous about it when you really think about it.
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:52.159
And I I don't think it's necessarily bad.
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:56.719
It's not un certainly not unethical, but it's definitely something you have to monitor.
00:47:56.880 --> 00:48:07.679
And I've caught myself like sometimes it can go to your head and you start thinking that you because you you spend so time that so much time thinking about these things and writing about these things and reading about these things.
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:18.719
And you know that most people don't do that, it's very easy to get carried away and say, Oh, I I got it all figured out, or start putting yourself on a high horse that you don't belong to because you I still have a lot to learn.
00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:21.280
I I'm still a learning, I'm I'm not a dun learning.
00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:25.760
So it's very important that we couple our ambition with humility.
00:48:26.079 --> 00:48:29.199
There's a there's an author I like, this is one of my favorite books of all time.
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:33.360
I've read it couple of times cover to cover, and that's within the last like two years.
00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:35.840
So it's it's probably something I'll read and reread my entire life.
00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:38.639
It's called A Faith of a Heretic by Walter Coffin.
00:48:39.760 --> 00:48:42.480
And he coins this term called humbish.
00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:44.559
He's talking about exactly about this.
00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:46.320
It's humility with ambition.
00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:48.639
You know, ambition is a good thing, but it needs humility.
00:48:48.960 --> 00:48:56.159
And I love that because I was exactly in that phase of my life where I started looking at myself in the mirror and not liking some of the things I was seeing.
00:48:56.239 --> 00:48:58.239
And I was like, well, I mean, you gotta be more humble.
00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:00.000
She got so much to learn.
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:02.079
We are so ignorant as humans.
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:05.519
We're born ignorant, we're born with enormous potential, but we're born ignorant.
00:49:05.599 --> 00:49:08.000
It's it's an enormous effort not to be ignorant.
00:49:08.480 --> 00:49:10.159
I and it's easy to forget that.
00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:14.880
So when it comes to jujitsu history, man, I try to remind myself that I still have a lot to learn and a lot to do.
00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:16.719
I I mean I don't own the truth.
00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:18.480
I might be wrong about many of these things.
00:49:18.559 --> 00:49:21.760
I've changed my mind on many of these things, and I'm willing to change my mind.
00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:28.239
I'm always suspicious, suspicious of politicians who change their mind come election time, or because the political winds have changed direction.
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:33.920
But in general, I think that changing your mind is something healthy and you should be open to it and open to being wrong.
00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:36.400
And I have been wrong, I've been proven wrong many times.
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In fact, my best friends are the ones who correct me.
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My best, the my I have readers who write me and correct me on something, and they end up becoming good friends of mine as a result because that's the kind of people I like to surround myself with are the people that aren't scared of calling me on my bullshit or pointing me wrong or correcting me or have the knowledge, the know-how, the wisdom to point flaws in my arguments.
00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:05.280
And I have friends like that, and they and I and I love them for it, no, and and I think that's the that's the kind of humility we should be pursuing.
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455199.
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I feel like the whole humble piece is like it's this blend between ambition.
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Like, how do I have this incredible amount of ambition and then match it with absolute humility at the same time?
00:50:18.079 --> 00:50:20.159
And it's something I've been playing with, the book I'm writing.
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I'm not gonna call it the dichotomy of everything, but it is based on that paradox.
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:45.760
And I think that when I think about what you said, I think to me that is the ultimate level of achievement when it comes to being a human and trying to blend those balances is how do you have a relentless, incredible drive to be an ADCC world champion and still walk out of your front door and be happy with the sun shining and a cup of coffee and that simplicity.
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:50.320
And I think when a man can do that, it reminds me of um Rudyard Kipling's If, right?
00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:52.880
You know, that poem of just that balance.
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I think vaguely phenomenal, phenomenal.
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But just that that is the point.
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He's like, if you can just kind of he's if you can be with the common man and then walk with royalty, and if you can, you know, win a jiu-jitsu world championship and still be happy with a cup of coffee in the morning with your daughters, I think that is what we're really striving for.
00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:15.599
That to me is the pinnacle of being just a phenomenal like human being as a whole, you know.
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:17.039
I I see what you're saying.
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It's like you have a monster in your belly and you have to feed it, but you gotta feed it well.
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So it's got to take care of its diet, you know.
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You you gotta monitor it and keep it in check too.
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Think I don't think I've always been noble in my life.
00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:30.880
I I know I have been.
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I have many, many, many flaws, and as I get older, I see them more and more.
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Um and then you have to grow the courage, if you don't have it, to confront it and just admit your flaws and try to be better and stay humble, man.
00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:47.039
I think that's at least the stage I'm at in my life, man.
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I don't know where I'll be in 10, 20 years.
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But right now, that's what I keep telling myself is just like just be humble, just be humble.
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:54.800
There's a there's a while ago I was talking to my wife about it.
00:51:54.880 --> 00:51:56.800
It's like, I don't know if I should be giving interviews anymore.
00:51:56.960 --> 00:52:01.840
Like I've hit so many fights with like people in Brazil and here because of I'm so opinionated.
00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:03.519
And I I this I don't know how to solve.
00:52:03.679 --> 00:52:06.559
Like, if I'm not opinionated, I'm not doing my job as a historian.
00:52:06.639 --> 00:52:14.159
I don't feel like I feel like I'm cheating people from what I don't like to use the word truth so lightly, but what I consider to be the fact is the facts of the matter, let's put it like that.
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:23.119
But at the same time, when you do that, there's no way you don't come across as arrogant because you're hurting people's feelings and you're telling them things they don't want to hear, even though they're factually incorrect.
00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:33.119
So I I tread this very, very narrow line between being a competent historian and speaking my mind and not being arrogant about it.
00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:36.800
It's I'm trying to find that balance and it's it's not easy, man.
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:37.599
It's not easy.
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:44.320
Let me ask you a question, because this is literally the whole point of the book I'm writing, and you kind of elaborated already, and you just said it's not easy.
00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:58.960
But if you could give, I mean you may not be able to answer this question, but how do we have this relentless, tie-hard killer instinct to just drive and crush and in the same breath be completely content with our current circumstances?
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:00.639
There's a movie.
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Um I I saw it on a plane once.
00:53:03.199 --> 00:53:04.239
I don't like movies in general.
00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:05.039
I very rarely watch.
00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:08.639
Sometimes I'll watch something called Rush, two F1 drivers.
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I just seen it.
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It was Nicki Lauder.
00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:12.719
I know of Rush, but I have not seen it.
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It's one of the best movies I've ever seen.
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:16.239
Whoever wrote that hit the nail on the head.
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And they understood competition.
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So they contrast two champions.
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They're very different.
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Nicki Lauda is a brainiac strategist, where James Hunt is just like the raw talent.
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:28.000
We see that in jujitsu all the time, the tactician.
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Right?
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And the guy who's just like Is that you and Marcella?
00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:31.440
Oh, yeah.
00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:33.599
No, I I was I yeah, 100%.
00:53:34.239 --> 00:53:41.679
But like, you know, raw talent, and then that, you know, the guy could be like drinking the night before and he'd still just destroy everyone, right?
00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:46.719
And the other guy was just like measuring screws to make sure they're lighter than other screws.
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:47.840
Like he's weighing them, you know.
00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:49.920
Like that's the kind of guy Nikki Laura was.
00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:52.480
But the interesting thing is that Nikki Lauta gets married.
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:53.840
This is my favorite scene in the book.
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He gets married.
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He's very happy.
00:53:55.679 --> 00:54:06.639
And there's a very symbolic scene there where he's staring at a fire and then he goes, happiness is the enemy because he started losing his fire because he was so happy.
00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:08.159
That's what he's struggling with.
00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:12.639
So once you're content, the fire is burning out, essentially.
00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:20.000
And I remember watching that and I'm going, man, whoever wrote this truly understood a competitor's mindset.
00:54:20.159 --> 00:54:28.239
Because the second you're, let's say you win a UFC world title, it's very common for these guys to lose their next fight or not hold on to it very long.
00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:30.480
Very few people hold on to that title, man.
00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:31.440
It's very rare.
00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:42.320
DSP did, Anderson Silva did, Jose Aldo did for a minute, Mighty Mouse, very few people, John Jones, or the vast majority of champions hold on to it for like two fights, one fight.
00:54:42.559 --> 00:54:44.639
And I I'm not saying that's why they lost it.
00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:46.159
I'm not talking about some suggestion.
00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:54.400
I'm just saying I think the guy that is striving for the top of the mountain has more heart than the guy who's already seen what the world looks like from the top.
00:54:54.559 --> 00:54:58.239
And for you to just look from the top and go, oh, nothing's changed in my life.
00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:12.800
And I think the the reason why that happens is you're looking at the top of a mountain like it's gonna change how you see the world, where you will achieve some kind of internal utopia where everything is gonna be perfect and you're gonna have this deep lasted satisfaction.
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And that will last two days.
00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:16.559
That's what my ADCC title lasted.
00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:19.519
By the third day, I was I was in cloud nine for like two days.
00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:22.000
And the third day I was like, oh, back to practice, nothing changed.
00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:25.119
You know, and of course it opened many doors, so it was very positive like that.
00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:28.239
But as far as my satisfaction with myself, it went back to normal.
00:55:28.639 --> 00:55:30.880
I was still deeply unsatisfied with myself.
00:55:31.039 --> 00:55:33.519
I don't think you ever I don't know, man.
00:55:33.679 --> 00:55:34.159
I don't know.
00:55:34.320 --> 00:55:45.679
I I was reading um, there's a very I like to talk to old guys, you know, like old why like old old guys in jujitsu and like biography autobiographies, like there's a very short autobiography by David Hume.
00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:46.719
You can download it online.
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:48.079
It's very short, like 10 pages.
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David Hume?
00:55:49.039 --> 00:55:49.679
David June.
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And he's a great mind, there's no doubt about it.
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But he's so happy about life and seems to be perfectly content.
00:55:56.880 --> 00:56:04.639
And he came across to me as such someone jolly and perfectly okay with as life turned out, the thing the way they turned out, it turned out.
00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:13.119
Hope to be jolly like that and and content and and and be in my deathbed one day and say, I am perfectly happy with how I live my life.
00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:15.280
I want to be content like that.
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:16.800
Because I don't feel that right now.
00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:18.320
I don't feel that.
00:56:18.480 --> 00:56:19.440
I hope that changes.
00:56:19.599 --> 00:56:20.639
But I I don't I don't know, man.
00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:24.559
I don't know if that comes with age or with wisdom or you know, one brings the other.
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:32.000
I think all of it kind of comes together, but I just think that it's such I that's why I wanted to write the book on it because I feel like everything in life is this interplay.
00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:45.440
It's this interplay of like sometimes you gotta be an absolute warrior and sometimes you gotta be an absolute nurture-loving person, and you kind of try to dance in the middle, and you know, you have daughters, you know, it's like you should be able to protect them and and literally kill a guy in the street and at the same time rock them to sleep.
00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:55.519
And it's so I've always wanted to play with that dichotomy piece because I found it very interesting in life because that is the polarity and the paradox of this realm paradigm earth we live in.
00:56:55.599 --> 00:56:56.800
It's based on polarity.
00:56:56.960 --> 00:56:59.199
And it can't just like you know, people can say whatever they want.
00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:01.039
You can't have Mother Teresa without Hitler.
00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:01.840
You just cannot.
00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:02.639
It doesn't work.
00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:04.159
This is the way the world works.
00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:09.440
And so I just I find it to be an interesting conundrum that I'll probably spend the rest of my life probably not solving but right about.
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:11.039
It's it's it shouldn't think about.
00:57:11.199 --> 00:57:15.920
I I've given this a lot of fun, and I I mean maybe the mistake is to think that it's one or the other.
00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:20.239
And as a human, you are a sea of conflict and contradictions, man.
00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:22.239
You have all these opposing forces.
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:27.760
You have all these opposing forces inside of you, and they're saying different things, different times of your life.
00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:32.559
One voice is louder during a certain time, and at a different time the other voice is louder.
00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:46.719
But I think if you listen to them all and you balance things out, I think at the end result is the problem is when these things are off balance when you're or some of these voices aren't kept in check and you keep and and you again you lose you lose your humility at some point.
00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:50.880
And you got you gotta keep yourself in check and and but without losing that hunger, man.
00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:52.079
I I hope I stay hungry.
00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:53.199
I don't want to lose the hunger.
00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:59.840
I like to do things, I like to travel, I like to work hard, I like to write, I like to read, I like to make friends.
00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:02.719
I I have this joy, feel this joy about being alive.
00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:03.280
I do.
00:58:03.440 --> 00:58:06.800
I have my bad days like everyone else, but I know that they're gonna pass.
00:58:06.960 --> 00:58:07.679
They always pass.
00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:09.920
They're like they're bad sometimes for a week, sometimes for months.
00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:12.079
It's happened to me like years, I'm in a hole.
00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:15.440
But I know I'm gonna come out eventually, and then life gets beautiful again.
00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:18.000
And I love I wish, wish I had more time.
00:58:18.159 --> 00:58:19.840
That's like my big biggest anxiety.
00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:26.000
It's it's the anxiety of not having enough time to do all the things that you've got to live all the lives on a life.
00:58:26.320 --> 00:58:26.719
Exactly.
00:58:26.960 --> 00:58:31.039
You know, I want to wrap this up with a beautiful question that kind of brings it all together.
00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:39.440
Here is like, because you know, I talk to a lot of entrepreneurs, it's called the Evolve Entrepreneur Podcast, and you know, you understand what it's like to be stuck, even though you're winning.
00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:41.519
And, you know, like you said, I was happy for three days.
00:58:41.679 --> 00:58:51.840
If if you were a high performing entrepreneur, or some sorry, if a high performing entrepreneur came to you and they were stuck because they were winning and on paper, but feeling empty inside, what's the first thing you'd tell them?
00:58:52.079 --> 00:59:02.480
Maybe to look for the joy in the process itself and not hold your breath to the top of the mountain because the world is as flat from above as it is from below, man.
00:59:02.559 --> 00:59:03.840
It doesn't change anything.
00:59:04.159 --> 00:59:05.679
It's just it's the same world.
00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:07.920
You're the same person, you can't run from yourself.
00:59:08.079 --> 00:59:09.840
No title can shut yourself off.
00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:12.719
It's how you see yourself and the world, the people around you.
00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:13.440
Find joy.
00:59:13.760 --> 00:59:16.079
I I love I love my my kids.
00:59:16.159 --> 00:59:17.440
They I find happiness.
00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:21.679
Like when I look at my best moments in life, I'm always with my friends and family.
00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:30.000
Like I was just in Brazil where I got to spend like a week with my old-time training partners from 20 years ago, and we're still really good friends.
00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:31.280
We all have families now.
00:59:31.360 --> 00:59:33.920
And man, I was truly, truly happy around it.
00:59:34.159 --> 00:59:37.840
Like I remember thinking, but I don't think I've I can't remember the last time I was this happy.
00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:45.280
Just being around my friends, laughing, telling old stories, you know, talking shit, training, just being around my brothers.
00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:51.280
And I remember being so I'm like, I don't I think this is better than anything, any achievement in jiu-jitsu.
00:59:51.519 --> 00:59:56.159
I strive for achievement, but what the the the real treasure is like the people I've met along the way.
00:59:56.320 --> 00:59:59.679
Like when people ask me what's been the loss of the books, what did it cost?
01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:04.719
You know, like I don't know, we can't factor the cost, but man, I made some amazing friends.
01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:06.000
That's the takeaway, man.
01:00:06.079 --> 01:00:10.400
The people I've met because of these books are some of the most interesting people I've ever met.
01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:13.280
I would have never met them had I not read those friends.
01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:16.880
So to me, the the the the that was the um that was the the treasure, man.
01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:20.800
It was not like you know, the book itself or if they've sold well or not.
01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:26.880
It was more like the friends that I made because I I I will think that was that was that still is very special.
01:00:27.039 --> 01:00:28.239
These people become my best friends.
01:00:28.320 --> 01:00:30.480
I talk to them daily, and they're people that I've never even met in person.
01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:31.440
That's amazing.
01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:35.840
That is the cool part about the internet, even though we just talked about earlier about how it's not so connected.
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:39.280
It is really cool to have just experiences that you would just never have, you know.
01:00:39.440 --> 01:00:45.760
So, I mean, a hundred years ago, you're probably never a Brazilian guy living in Vegas is never gonna marry a woman from Kazakhstan, you know.
01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:47.519
So that's that's kind of cool too.
01:00:47.599 --> 01:00:47.920
Yeah.
01:00:48.159 --> 01:00:51.039
So, well, man, I I just really appreciate you.
01:00:51.119 --> 01:00:52.400
This has been such an awesome conversation.
01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:57.440
I'm glad we got to go into your philosophy on things more than just the jujitsu, because I think everyone knows a lot of that.
01:00:57.599 --> 01:00:59.280
And I just really appreciate you taking the time for me.
01:00:59.519 --> 01:01:00.480
It's been a pleasure, Mark.
01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:03.039
And next time you're around, please stop by the gym, say hello.
01:01:03.119 --> 01:01:03.760
It's been too long.
01:01:03.920 --> 01:01:04.480
For sure, man.
01:01:04.559 --> 01:01:05.360
I'll definitely come in.
01:01:05.599 --> 01:01:05.840
Sure.
