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In this episode of Cinema D’Amore, Justin and Chuck step into the eerie, disorienting world of Triangle (2009), a psychological thriller that refuses to play by the rules. As the film twists and resets in unsettling ways, they unpack its shifting reality, strange character dynamics, and the moments that make you question what you’re actually watching.
They touch on standout performances from Melissa George and Liam Hemsworth, explore the film’s recurring imagery, and wrestle with the bigger question at its core: what kind of nightmare are we really trapped in here? It’s a conversation full of curiosity, confusion, and appreciation for a movie that somehow keeps you hooked, even when it doesn’t fully add up.
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Co-hosted by Justin Morgan
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TRASCRIZIONE 🔗
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Welcome back everyone to another episode of Cinema De More, your host Chuck, joined by Justin.
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We're back, moving on, talking about some new movies. Not new movies,
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they're old movies, but they're new to us.
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That's all. It's a big day today, it's the day that we're recording.
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It's April 20th, aka Speed Racer is back in IMAX.
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That's the highlight of today for you. That's the highlight of probably the
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first half of the year. Yeah.
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I mean, what are you looking forward to? I have an idea. Just Godzilla.
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Yeah, so Speed Racer. The first three quarters of the year for you.
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Yeah, it'll be a while. A while before I get anything good there,
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but it's Godzilla. It's always good.
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Well, it's Japanese Godzilla. Japanese Godzilla's always good.
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American Godzilla, not always highest quality.
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This time we're talking about the 2009 film Triangle really sucks in with that
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name we need to cover all of our geometry related films we'll do Cube next time,
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or Triangle of Sadness,
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there's The Circle that's another one we can just say as many shapes I never saw Cube or The Circle,
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Cube's good I never saw The Circle either.
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I heard The Circle was not good, but unless we watch True Detective and listen
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to Russ Cole talk about time being a circle, we could do a whole podcast on that.
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Might run out of shapes pretty quickly. I mean, there's not...
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I think there is one called The Square.
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I think that's another one I haven't seen, but I just remember there being a movie called Square.
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Well, me and you gotta start writing like the trapezoid now.
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Yeah, that's what I was saying. were like the rhombus of doom rhombus of doom
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all our movies are just all just they're all just shapes they're really out
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there shapes that people don't think about often enough.
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But yeah that's it's an interesting movie and though interesting in the fact
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the first thing that threw me off was i knew this was i knew most of the actors
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in this movie are australian so i was expecting it to be set in australia and
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then it's in like florida or something I was like,
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I don't know why they wouldn't just set this in Australia and have them talk
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in their normal accents, but maybe they were trying to just appeal more broadly.
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I guess. Is Melissa George from Australia too? I think she's either,
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I think she's British or Australian.
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She's not one of ours. That's what you're trying to say. Sorry,
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Wikipedia does say she is an Australian and American actress. She's both.
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Because she has dual citizenship, but she's from Australia.
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Gotcha. And like I said, I'm pretty sure most of the rest of them,
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I know Liam Hemsworth is Australian, and
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yeah just looking at everyone else they're all australian so
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just feels like i don't know why why they didn't just
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have them because i always feel like anyone doing
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an american accent it always like it can affect their performance like they
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sound more natural if they were just speaking in their natural dialect the way
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they talk but again i don't maybe just because they were trying to like advertise
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this more more to people in america get people to watch it so they made everyone be Americans.
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But yeah, they're on a boat called the Triangle and they're.
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You know, it's like Gilligan's Island, except instead of the island,
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they find that old steamship. They got lost. It was supposed to be a three-hour tour.
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I think it might have sold better if it sold itself as Gilligan's Island.
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As a version of Gilligan's Island.
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Yeah, I feel like this is maybe not always well-executed movie,
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but interesting in the sense of where it goes.
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I don't think even where it goes all the time like entirely works but,
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yeah it feels like there's there's
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moments in it where it feels like that feels like a plot hole but it's
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a you know it's a time loop movie you know spoiler alert that's what this movie
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is they're in a groundhog day like situation they keep reliving the same way
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when you brought up just a few moments ago that they're mostly Australian their,
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acting comes off so weird Like, no character really seems to have any emotion behind them.
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And it could be a part of the bigger picture, but I would like to think that
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it just, it was just poor choices all along the way.
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Like, there's a moment where, you know, they're on that sailboat that basically
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the storm comes out of fucking nowhere and,
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It's almost very Lost-esque. Like, it's even a strange-looking kind of storm that hits them.
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And like you said, this boat saves them.
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They know there's at least one person on the boat, but the boat's too big for
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one person to run the whole thing by themselves.
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And so it starts off very quickly, like, we are not alone on this ship.
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And like one of the first react for
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one of the first interactions that they have with the person
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that's on the boat is they hear this like clanking
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sound and the person had
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thrown or dropped a pair of keys and liam hemsworth who's this is his debut
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film i think or one or close to it probably i mean 2009 that would have been
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i mean was that even before uh what year was thor i think thor was a 2010 movie or something.
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So Liam beat his brother. I mean, obviously Chris Hemsworth's gone on to much
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bigger things since then, but it does feel kind of surprising that a major movie
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was released in America.
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Again, not that it did super huge. I don't even know that it got a full theatrical
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run, probably maybe limited release, and then was in video stores, but.
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It's surprising to see a movie this old, and there's Liam Hemsworth when everyone
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knows Chris, more or less.
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Yeah, but I was going to say, that scene, and he's pretty much like this through the whole movie.
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He's like, I'm going to go check that out. He just kind of wanders off.
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He almost seems like he's on drugs or something, and he lacks any emotion.
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But he's going through the motions. in almost every scene.
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He has an odd relationship in the beginning anyway, because it's very odd.
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When they first all get on the boat, there's Greg's the captain. It's his boat.
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He lives there. I guess he lives on the boat, they keep saying,
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or at least lives near it. And his friend's,
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downy and i think sarah's the other woman's name
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uh or sally and they they bring
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they bring another woman with them heather and they're
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like like oh every year we go on these boat trips and they
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try to set me up with another girl and like the guy's like
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i don't know you're the one living with an 18 year old boy by
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yourself you're the weirdo here and it's like it's such a and she
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even asks yeah he says don't do you guys sunbathe together
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in the nudes sometimes and he's like sometimes we do
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yeah i think yeah he like melissa george
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asks him about he's like so where'd you meet victor and he's like uh he's a
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runaway i found him on the streets and asked him to come live with me and it's
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like it is it's like what is this relationship you found some kid on the streets
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and you're like yeah come live on my boat with me by yourself right and he instantly
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hates melissa george because,
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he's like she told me that she didn't bring her kid because he's in school and
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it's saturday fuck that bitch and I'm like whoa what the hell like that was
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a very intense reaction yeah.
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Like I don't know you he could be in detention or something without knowing
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anything about the child oh yeah,
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well they say it's because he's autistic so he's they're like he's at a special
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needs school they're open seven days a week so that's that's that's where he assumes she's at but,
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yeah once they once they get on anger into the rest of the movie with me Once they get on the boat,
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yeah, it's all weird, weird things happening with time.
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They find a giant buffet of food that looks brand new, but then later they come
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back and it's all rotted, like completely gone.
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So time seemingly keeps going, fluctuating depending on where you're at at what time.
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Sometimes she sees blood before the character should have been bleeding there.
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Yeah, I mean, I feel like the first twist was the worst twist because I expected it.
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It was too obvious. Yeah, the first twist, yeah.
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I mean, the first twist being that Melissa George is the killer because it points
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to her so frequently from the fact that when, like you mentioned,
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the character that's on the boat drops their keys and she's like, those are my keys.
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And it's like, well, how would your keys get on the boat? Like if they weren't,
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if you didn't have them, like how, who has your keys other than you?
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And then it's from there, it does, it keeps pointing.
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And every time they're like, they said it was you.
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You're the one that did it. They keep saying it's you. So as soon as you,
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as soon as you get that first twist that she's the killer, it's like, well, yeah, no, no duh.
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Cause everything kept pointing to her being the killer.
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Right. The keys, Hemsworth just comes out of nowhere choking her.
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Yeah. Um, what's that guy? Is his name Greg?
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Yeah, Greg says that she shot him.
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Yeah, they're like, he said this was you.
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Yeah. Get out of here, it wasn't me. There is a throne in there.
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The director does manage to work in a Shining reference.
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Maybe a few. I mean, yeah, there could be some other. I mean.
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Ghosts being on the ship, something like that.
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But yeah, there's a room 237. it's one of the rooms that they go into frequently,
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there's an axe yeah guy really liked The Shining what can you say he has a son she has a son I don't know,
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he's connected all back.
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Yeah. Yeah, her first interaction with the killer who's wearing basically the
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burlap sack mask from Friday the 13th Part 2 and actually doesn't seem like a terrible killer.
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Although a lot of the scenes up to that point and including that point are choreographed very poorly.
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So I'm giving the big picture the benefit of the doubt and not so much like the action sequences,
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where like the person hesitates to shoot them,
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fights them off my favorite shot in the whole movie though was probably when
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she was crawling over the balcony
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and the killer just chucked the fucking gun at her yeah it's always,
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and knocked them off you get that scene replayed a couple times and it's funny
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every time when they just takes that rifle and throws it at her.
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I mean, it's still one of the few times where the killer or whoever in a movie
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has run out of bullets and throws the gun and the gun actually does something.
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Yeah, that moment, every time they replay it, that moment is funny in the movie.
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It cracked me up the first time, but yeah, I laughed every time they did it again.
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Yeah, and then they do a thing too, like before
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the killers killed the in
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the very beginning of the movie pretty much they're talking
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and you can't hear
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what they're saying but they definitely sound like melissa george or like a
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a woman talking real faintly or something you could tell it's a woman in there
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and i guess from there is whenever she starts to realize that she's in a loop.
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I mean, I guess at that point we don't know that it's a time loop.
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I knew this was a time loop movie
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going into it, so I didn't know exactly how it was going to play out.
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I still have questions about it, but I do like the idea of like,
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okay, now that she's seeing the perspective, now that she realizes that she's the person on the boat,
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Who they see in silhouette. How does she get to the point. Where she's going
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to be hunting people down. And why is she trying to kill them.
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And. I don't know. I think shortly after that. There's that scene where she. Loses her locket.
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Like down in a. I don't know. Like a greet.
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Yeah. And it's like a ton of them. Which just immediately tells you that.
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This loop's already happened. With her specifically.
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At least. 20 or so times it's happened a lot,
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and I do like that she finds out like quickly that,
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there's not two of them there's three of them cause she's still like there's
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another person here that I'm not aware of who this person is yet and it's like
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oh it's me like it's gotta be me.
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Yeah it's there's a
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lot of implications that the loop happens multiple times before this and it's
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like I guess it's sometimes who knows maybe at various times there's like four
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or five of them running around at any given time depending on how everything
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plays out but presumably the one in the mask tries to kill them every time,
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but yeah I would say it's a solid three if it's a triangle the movie's a triangle
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it's gotta be a solid three,
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that's how many do they have yeah but
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even even when she changes things like there's the she
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thinks she changed the the loop because she
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gets the one woman sally away but then
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sally like crawls up on that balcony and there's like
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30 bodies of her already laying there dead so it's clearly even when she thinks
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she's changed the loop it's like this is just an alternate version of the loop
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that still happens multiple times it's almost like it is still the loop like
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if the loop happens and then happens again.
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I don't know necessarily if it happens a third time, but so like the sequences
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I feel play out the same every time.
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So like that couple that's with Greg and the first time they get shot by him,
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the second time they live a little bit longer.
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And I feel like that's the loop for them is that they kind of get looped into it twice.
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I mean, I guess they don't really know, or maybe it's like an alternating loop
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for them, or it's one thing, then the next, and one thing, then the next,
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but they don't, they don't seem to realize or pick up on that.
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So it is, it is a loop to an extent, and then there's also weird pockets,
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I guess, where we get to see where, like, things accumulate.
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Late we see it with that the one woman that i
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was thought was like when she's wounded and
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dying and she crawls off and it's like i
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don't know 40 of her just like
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like like i was there's a moment i'd be so terrified if i crawled around a corner
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and i was like a bunch of me were dead i'd be like oh shit she has that there's
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like a moment where she finds she finds the one guy downy's body in the ocean
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which it's like is that a loop where he fell overboard at some point or,
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didn't make it which keeps going in circles yeah it does feel like,
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it feels like there's parts where you'd think she'd be she'd be
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smarter when she knows she's in the loop like she should know how things play
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out but then some things she still lets play out the same way when it's like
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I feel like you could have easily avoided that part of it happening again I
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feel like I mean we'll get more into the end when we get there,
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but I feel like.
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When she gets on that ship, she forgets or something.
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Like, when she first gets on that ship, her brain's rebooted.
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The first time, yeah, the first time she gets on. But when she survives,
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when we're talking about the original one that we first start with,
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and she kills the one version in the mask overboard, and then her other version is on the ship.
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Because I feel like at that point, she kind of starts to realize what's going
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on, and she tries to fix things.
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But then there's parts where she doesn't try to fix things. She just runs up
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to Victor and is like, we can fix this.
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And he just seems really confused as to why there's two of her there.
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He's like, I don't understand what's going on, man. This doesn't make any sense.
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I feel like it loops like three times. It probably loops three times.
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I see two cycles for her definitively.
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But when she gets back on the main ship, she kind of has deja vu and she can't remember.
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You know what what was because if you
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take the the idea that like this she's experiencing this for the for the first
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time or so she feels like she is and she starts to realize that she's already
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there and that she's the killer and and that she's this has happened at least two dozen times,
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for some reason when she gets on the ship she she kind of fails she like can't
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she doesn't retain the information that she's not going to be able to remember
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when she gets on the ship for the first time.
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Maybe things do play out differently, but I...
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I think that's where I think the loop starts is when she's on the boat and she
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wakes up because she says, like, oh, I had a really bad dream.
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Yeah. I think that's definitely the start point of the loop.
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It doesn't start on the ship itself. It happens on the boat every time.
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Yeah, but when it's the full start, I think that she doesn't,
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like, something happens with her memory where she just, she can't pace it together
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until it's too late. And she doesn't remember what she's done entirely before.
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Yeah, she doesn't get Groundhog Day where she remembers every time previously.
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Yeah, she cycles through where she's like, just one, just two, just three.
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And then when she's just one again, it's basically starting over from scratch.
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Well, that's where I think some of it falls apart in some of the logic.
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Because by the time she gets to the point where she puts the mask on and she becomes the killer,
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And like, that's what she's saying to herself at the end when she gets pushed
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overboard every time she says, you have to kill them all to,
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to like save yourself or something like that,
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which feels like it doesn't make any sense because what would just killing everybody do?
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Or the, or then she says like, she has to keep them from getting onto the boat.
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Which again implies that the boat is the only place the time loop happens,
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which I guess I feel like because she doesn't retain all that information,
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once you get to the end, we learn that the loop is happening even off of the boat.
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It's happening when she's back on mainland. We can see the loop keeps happening.
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So I guess that's where she doesn't understand.
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So I guess I'm thinking about it being inconsistencies, but it makes sense in
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the logic of the movie that she just can't figure it out in time, like you're saying.
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And she'll just she's kind of like doomed to just keep repeating the loop over
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and over and yeah she thinks she can fix it but then she she thinks she can
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fix it every time but she just can't,
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because she's great because i get enough of the information oh maybe i gotta try things differently
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this time like maybe i won't wear the
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mask you know maybe i'll yeah i i
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won't pick up this gun i won't try to kill him try to
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talk to him yeah it's something about i'm like
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how the fuck can you do anything in that mask like how fuck
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can you see anything like that was like the one point in the movie where i'm
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like you literally fought this person in the mask who's you and they died so
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like maybe don't don't put that mask back on yeah or have a better mask i don't
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know find some goggles or something find something else no yeah.
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I do. It's, it's, it's an interesting, like you were saying,
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I don't think the, the execution isn't, isn't always there, but it's a super low budget movie.
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So for like what it, for what it is, I think it works pretty well.
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And I do think the, the end kind of,
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I don't want to say like fixes it or makes up for any shortcomings,
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but I do think the end works pretty well in like being a very good twist that
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partially maybe you see coming,
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but not exactly the way it plays out because going back the end and the beginning
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tie in but you can't figure it out until the end because at the start she's at home with her son,
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you can tell even before,
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Greg says her son's autistic that it seems like he has something wrong with
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him like he's freaking out while she's trying to like take him out of the house,
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she's like hearing things she thinks her doorbell went off but she can't figure out who was there,
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and I I did think from at the very beginning when she said she didn't bring
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her son with him and we saw the kid being weird and her trying to calm him down.
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And then you see her just stuffing that bag into the trunk. I was like,
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did she kill her kid? Is that kid in the trunk of the car?
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I did kind of think that and I thought it was weird. But then throughout the
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whole movie, she keeps talking about it. She's like, no, I have to get back to my son.
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I have to get back. You don't understand. My son's waiting for me.
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Which again, I guess is because she's lost her memory. she forgets about what happened.
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Damn it yeah she she forgets but that first moment where like she ends up back
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on the mainland she's on she's in florida obviously i guess i guess and she
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makes it all the way back to her house.
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And the first thing you see is that guy cut the grass which
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would be like immediate like why the fuck are you still
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how the hell could you still be cutting the grass man and
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then you're seeing all the stuff from the beginning so uh obviously the
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audience should already know that she's the
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she's still in the loop and then definitively definitively
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when you hear her speak you know that that she's there and then
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you see that she's hell of abusive to her
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kid she's a terrible she's like she's a terrible upside
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that yeah because like they cut it together in
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the beginning like it's memories with the credits so
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like she gets um paint on her
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and she's like oh my god this kid yeah but
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when she's carrying him out i'm gonna whip
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the shit out of this kid yeah she's like carrying him
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out and she's like it's just a mess it's fine and you're thinking like she's talking about the
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paint spilled on the floor you're like oh it's like
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freaking out a lot for just being paint on the floor like but
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yeah finding out later that it's but yeah she's the one
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she came back to the mainland kills her old self and is
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like now i'm gonna be a better mother this time like i see i was a terrible
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mother before and but now that i've survived all this i'm gonna be a good mother
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and but still can't still fails the loop continues on she's still stuck in it
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when she hits a bird and then kicks it into the into the dirt and you just see
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yeah like 30 or 40 seagulls all piled up Yeah.
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Actually, that's the moment that I think is like the best moment is that she
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thinks like she's like you think she's on the run and she's never done this
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before. And she hits that bird.
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And when she picks up and throws it into like the ocean and there's just a pile
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of them, it's just like, oh, fuck, I've I've definitely been here.
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I have clearly been here before. Yeah.
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And, yeah, she's not paying attention to the road. And I don't know how she
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hits that car the way that she does. But they go flying.
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And that's, like, another thing where, like, the cuts are really weird.
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Because, like, the car's in the air flying.
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It hasn't even settled from the crash. And there's, like, a school nearby.
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And everybody's already running towards the crash.
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And, like, you're running towards the crash while the crash is happening. It's insane.
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And yeah she's.
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I don't even know what I see this is where I start to get confused because so
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clearly she's dead but but the body there is her body that was in the bag in
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the trunk somehow not in the bag and.
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Like, somehow, yeah, that's, that's like how you're saying, like,
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it's, it's a very, there's a lot of, you have to really, like,
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suspend disbelief as to, like, how the body perfectly got out of the bag to
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be, like, like, no one, everyone thinks that that's who was driving the car, basically.
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They, they assume she was the driver and the kid was in the back seat when they
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pull him out of the, when they find the wreckage, but it's, like,
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how'd she perfectly get out of the bag to be, to be like that?
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So, yeah, there's a, that's, that's probably one of the, I want to say,
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like, the hell was she she said she's already
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a duplicate or whatever yeah a triplicate
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and then but she's already dead so she's
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deceased she's experiencing this hell
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i guess over and over again and the
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grim reaper basically shows up he's a taxi driver and
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i think he's like he's offering to
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take her to like the afterlife but she wants a chance to
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save her she's gonna keep trying to fix it
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again yeah it's like it's like i feel like that's what they're implying that
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he's you know that he's supposed to like take her
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away and like she's supposed to give up but this is like her version of of like
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a purgatory or something where she'll just like until she finally gives up or
00:26:49.460 --> 00:26:53.860
makes some sort of realization that maybe she maybe it's just better if she
00:26:53.860 --> 00:26:56.580
just everyone just goes their separate ways and just leaves.
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She's just going to keep repeating the same time over and over.
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If it is a purgatory, then eventually she'd break the cycle,
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but I don't know how long that would be.
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I also have a huge question about who the fuck these other people are that are,
00:27:16.100 --> 00:27:18.360
the people that she gets on the boat with.
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Are they dead? Were they alive?
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I don't know when they die. I imagine, I could imagine them dying on the boat,
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and then they're all kind of in purgatory, like you said, but...
00:27:34.349 --> 00:27:40.369
When she's a ghost, and they're a ghost, so maybe they're all doing their loop from that point.
00:27:40.549 --> 00:27:42.509
They all have their own loop.
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Although the others don't seem to have the same loop that she does.
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They seem to have one singular loop.
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Or at least they don't remember when they're being looped.
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Maybe they're just all fated to die. They're not part of the loop.
00:27:58.869 --> 00:28:01.609
They were just always going to die on that boat.
00:28:02.209 --> 00:28:08.009
Right or like if it's if she's dead and it's her own purgatory and she's trying
00:28:08.009 --> 00:28:13.849
to figure this out they aren't they aren't real people they're just like part of the,
00:28:14.529 --> 00:28:17.449
you know I mean the
00:28:17.449 --> 00:28:20.889
only person she knows previously is Greg like
00:28:20.889 --> 00:28:24.329
she doesn't know who any of those other people are from like her normal
00:28:24.329 --> 00:28:28.229
life basically like that guy Greg just says he comes into the diner she works
00:28:28.229 --> 00:28:33.089
at to talk to her but like they could all be part of like our imagination like
00:28:33.089 --> 00:28:36.369
she doesn't know any of those other people other than Greg yeah like a dream
00:28:36.369 --> 00:28:41.309
scenario thing where it's you know you're dreaming about somebody that you only
00:28:41.309 --> 00:28:43.489
see in passing you never really talk to and,
00:28:44.329 --> 00:28:49.769
that type of deal so okay I can imagine that these people are more or less made
00:28:49.769 --> 00:28:53.629
up in her head maybe they're people that she's seen and she's like putting them together,
00:28:54.949 --> 00:28:59.369
I just kind of want to know like how it's like the life of Chuck It's just her
00:28:59.369 --> 00:29:03.349
mind, and she's just putting people that she's seen into roles.
00:29:04.209 --> 00:29:08.429
Yeah, and what would that first occurrence on the road actually be?
00:29:08.909 --> 00:29:10.829
Beat the shit out of her kid...
00:29:12.204 --> 00:29:14.944
Probably hit the seagull. That probably still happened, I would assume.
00:29:15.384 --> 00:29:20.044
And then she was probably, like, smacking her kid. I guess yelling at her kid, smacking her kid.
00:29:20.584 --> 00:29:22.984
Because we know that she wasn't like, it's going to be okay,
00:29:23.064 --> 00:29:24.884
honey. That other person isn't here.
00:29:25.764 --> 00:29:32.164
Yeah. Maybe that kid's alive. And just her purgatory is that he's dead, so. She's fine.
00:29:33.504 --> 00:29:38.084
He, like, he definitely survived the car crash. And he's fine.
00:29:38.884 --> 00:29:44.424
And that's why the Grim Reaper dude's, like. There's nothing you can do about it. Yeah.
00:29:45.364 --> 00:29:48.664
Because you're dead and he's alive. Or you could both be dead.
00:29:51.004 --> 00:29:55.804
It's like, what if it was the sixth sense, but everybody was dead and nobody.
00:29:57.424 --> 00:30:01.924
Everyone had their own little loops. Yeah, I feel like it.
00:30:02.204 --> 00:30:05.804
I feel like the movie wanted to be more clever than it was.
00:30:06.524 --> 00:30:13.424
Like the Alpha Omega stuff with the drum and then the drum being on the boat,
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kind of leads me more into the fact that, like,
00:30:17.684 --> 00:30:22.864
you know, obviously, her mind's piecing this together from something.
00:30:24.464 --> 00:30:27.364
Although, I don't know when the fuck she would have seen that drum.
00:30:27.664 --> 00:30:31.584
You know, like, as she was, like, getting...
00:30:32.603 --> 00:30:37.583
Killed the first time. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, they definitely point out the,
00:30:38.043 --> 00:30:43.063
again, it's another kind of like, like an on the nose thing where the name of
00:30:43.063 --> 00:30:48.063
the boats, the Aeolus and like the one character talks about the,
00:30:48.543 --> 00:30:50.103
that's the father of Sisyphus.
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And that's, that's his whole thing is that he, he repeats the same thing over
00:30:53.623 --> 00:30:55.723
and over again. He's always pushing the boulder up the hill.
00:30:55.863 --> 00:30:59.663
And she asks, they ask like, Oh yeah. Why did he have to push the boulder up the hill?
00:30:59.823 --> 00:31:02.683
And they, she says, she says she can't remember. she's
00:31:02.683 --> 00:31:06.343
like I don't know something about that he cheated death or something someone
00:31:06.343 --> 00:31:11.883
cheated death in some way so they do like hit you with that but it's brief enough
00:31:11.883 --> 00:31:15.943
that it you don't think about it till the very end when she crashes the car
00:31:15.943 --> 00:31:20.963
and then starts to loop over that oh yeah this isn't just a simple it isn't
00:31:20.963 --> 00:31:26.123
just a basic time loop like a lot of other movies do where there's like more of a science fictional,
00:31:26.663 --> 00:31:31.303
reason for them to be in the time loop it is it does feel more like a religious or like.
00:31:32.583 --> 00:31:37.143
Death type of thing where like you're saying, the guy that's a cab driver feels
00:31:37.143 --> 00:31:41.763
like he's supposed to be Satan or death or something because he lets her out
00:31:41.763 --> 00:31:43.963
of the cab and he's like, I'm going to leave the meter running.
00:31:43.963 --> 00:31:47.043
You promise you're coming back, right? He's like, yeah, I promise.
00:31:47.843 --> 00:31:52.483
It's her choice to get out of it if she ever can figure out to get out of the
00:31:52.483 --> 00:31:54.203
loop. He gives her the option.
00:31:54.383 --> 00:31:57.883
He never forces it on her. He's always just like, I'll leave the meter running.
00:31:57.903 --> 00:32:00.943
You promise you're going to come back? Yeah, he doesn't feel like a bad guy.
00:32:01.063 --> 00:32:03.003
He just feels like he's doing his job.
00:32:03.403 --> 00:32:06.283
So that's kind of like where I feel like he's a grim reaper type,
00:32:06.443 --> 00:32:11.923
where he's neither an angel nor a devil. He's just there to take you on.
00:32:12.943 --> 00:32:16.623
But actually, now that you pointed out, yeah, when that person,
00:32:16.963 --> 00:32:20.723
that girl that said that she studied Greek mythology or whatever,
00:32:20.963 --> 00:32:25.023
but didn't remember the story, just enough of the story.
00:32:25.083 --> 00:32:27.023
Just enough of the story to put
00:32:27.023 --> 00:32:31.143
there. Just enough of the story that you didn't learn the lesson. Yeah.
00:32:32.703 --> 00:32:36.743
So now you are doomed to repeat it. Yeah.
00:32:37.906 --> 00:32:41.746
Yeah i mean i give the movie props i feel like the the
00:32:41.746 --> 00:32:44.626
special effects the visual effects did not age well
00:32:44.626 --> 00:32:47.986
at all but at the time maybe
00:32:47.986 --> 00:32:52.846
they were impressive i think they must have been because there's some special
00:32:52.846 --> 00:32:57.586
effects shots where they linger kind of like a long time and i'm like they're
00:32:57.586 --> 00:33:04.486
just like really impressed with that that ship you know like they like somebody
00:33:04.486 --> 00:33:07.366
rendered like way more of the ship than they thought they were going to get.
00:33:07.566 --> 00:33:10.086
And they're like, hell yeah, the whole thing is going in the movie.
00:33:11.466 --> 00:33:16.066
Got to get your money's worth out of that shot. But yeah, I like Melissa George.
00:33:16.066 --> 00:33:20.166
I think I've liked her in pretty much everything that she pops up in.
00:33:20.866 --> 00:33:25.066
Liam Hemsworth, I really feel indifferent towards him.
00:33:25.266 --> 00:33:30.326
Although if I saw him in this, I would probably never want to hire him in anything again.
00:33:31.486 --> 00:33:34.666
Like even that weird like what is it called is
00:33:34.666 --> 00:33:37.866
it dirty little things or they kill the hooker and then
00:33:37.866 --> 00:33:41.526
they're trying to hide the body is that what it's called it's
00:33:41.526 --> 00:33:44.306
a car scene it so i don't they do the same thing
00:33:44.306 --> 00:33:49.506
happens though where but this but his acting is so fucking weird where he's
00:33:49.506 --> 00:33:57.426
like don't get so handsy quit pushing me and she pushes him into that like i
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don't know shrapnel or whatever the hell piece of metal or whatever's sticking
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out of the side of the boat.
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That's exactly what happens in the comedy that I'm thinking of.
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I think it's called Dirty Little Things, but like, yeah, they kill a hooker
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and then they're like, oh, shit.
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We're gonna be in so much trouble. So the whole movie is like trying to hide this body.
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I mean, you wanna do that next? Yeah.
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To see if it's like, yeah. I did see it. So this isn't his first movie.
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His first movie is Knowing with Nicolas Cage.
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What i don't know he was probably just a
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background yeah just in
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the background somewhere i'm sure you know um
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we worked in hollywood video knowing was on the shelf i don't remember triangle
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was on the shelf but i remember trying i do remember like people telling me
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about that movie and i think most people were were not happy with it there had
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to see most people being confused like
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just not getting it and being like being like i don't get it why'd
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you get back on the boat at the end that doesn't make any sense why would
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you get back on i think it's i think it's confusing
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in the fact that like it does try to pack a lot in there i don't think it i
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don't think it nails everything maybe it's choosing to be ambiguous in some
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ways like ah you figure it out But yeah,
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I just like I almost like like the scenes where she was just by herself more than anyone else,
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because I just like didn't feel any of these actors like they like they almost
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didn't seem like they were in the same scenario as her.
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And maybe when you get to the end of the movie, that makes sense.
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Like you could be like their third doll, because that's just how she's imagining them or something.
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But, like, I'd be creeped out if I was, like...
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Like, this is weird. I've been here before. There's somebody else here.
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And they're like, ah, they're playing a joke on us. They're playing a joke on
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us. Our boat was flipped upside down and they rescued us.
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And they're playing a joke on us. Yeah, they do it all the time.
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I don't think so, man. Yeah.
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Yeah, like you said, they make a lot of dumb decisions that feel like,
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yeah, that's just what she imagines that they would do.
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Like Victor would go off by himself because he's a hot-headed guy or something
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like that so she imagines he just does that,
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like Sally and her husband are just kind of lazy so they just kind of like they're
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just like we're just gonna like stay in the ballroom and just hang out until
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somebody tells them to do something else
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oh yeah and Victor too you get that you get the scene that he talked about where
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he's asking about the kid,
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and so when they go to the loop you see it and he's walking towards Greg and
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Greg's like is everything okay and he's I can't remember how he says it it's
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just like no everything's not okay and I'm like Jesus Christ man like,
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really take like like I hate lies and I can tell she's lying I really wanted
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to hang out with that kid I wanted someone my someone closer to my age.
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I was told there was gonna be a kid to hang out with yeah yeah and that that kid too I do like,
00:37:22.290 --> 00:37:27.170
her instantly like i gotta kill myself so she goes in there starts hammering
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away at herself and then she's and then the kid's there and she's like oh shit
00:37:31.310 --> 00:37:39.330
she's like you're you're dreaming it's just it's just a dream baby it's just a dream.
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Don't have kids the moral of the story the moral of the story is just don't have kids,
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If you suck, just stay on that boat. Yeah, I don't know.
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Imperfect, but fun. It made me want to go back and rewatch some, like,
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other things that we've previously watched, like The Endless and stuff like,
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but I don't think, I think those know when to be a little bit more ambiguous,
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and they come off a lot stronger.
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This kind of is more like entertainment beyond the lesson of,
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You know, if you don't learn things, you're doomed to repeat them. Quite literally.
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Hey, maybe we're on purgatory right now. It would explain a lot, Chuck.
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Like, Chuck, we're fucking dead.
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We have to break the loop. I don't know how.
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Just trying every day to figure it out. Yeah. It's on Peacock.
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That's where I watched it.
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It started off really weird and I was like I can't tell if this is artistic
00:38:52.744 --> 00:38:56.744
choice or if there's something wrong with the stream and there was something
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wrong with the stream where it was like it was like missing a frame but it was
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like going through the beginning stuff with the credit so I was like is is this like intentional,
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and then she gets out yeah then it's like when she is talking to the neighbor
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like did you just see somebody out here I'm like I don't think it's supposed
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to continue to do this if that,
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I also should have looked it up but the
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score was making me think of Final Destination a little bit but you know,
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know who did the score it didn't wasn't a name that that stuck out to me but
00:39:31.805 --> 00:39:37.185
i don't know who did the score for final destination i just thought that it sounded similar.
00:39:40.245 --> 00:39:46.085
Like i feel like that first one it that the music really stands out and i don't
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know if the other one's nearly as well and i'm not talking about the john denver
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i'm talking about the score,
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i also did like in this movie this is my last bit
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that i could think of the record player like
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the skipping record and i did like
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that she skipped her when she bumped the record and skipped the record it jumped
00:40:06.485 --> 00:40:10.465
time to them have looking around and have had them looking around in the book
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the boat jesus christ i can't speak for like 10 15 minutes she didn't not to
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wait for them to get off the boat.
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Actually, that could have been one. I needed to stop them before they got on
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the boat, but I hit the goddamn record player.
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It skipped me.
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So leave that thing alone.
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Yeah, good double feature. I guess they had jack shit to do with one another.
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They're just two interesting movies. Just two kind of like underrated movies
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that seem that for their first small budgets,
00:40:48.826 --> 00:40:54.426
I feel like both of them have the connection of they tried to do a lot with
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the small budgets that they had.
00:40:56.286 --> 00:41:02.806
I feel like Bone Tomahawk clearly much more accomplished with what it did with a very small budget.
00:41:02.806 --> 00:41:05.966
Obviously still had a much larger cast of
00:41:05.966 --> 00:41:09.306
known actors from america but yeah
00:41:09.306 --> 00:41:12.026
both both just movies that feel like
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feel like movies that don't get made anymore like tiny budget films that are
00:41:16.506 --> 00:41:21.046
at least trying to do something interesting now everything's either like it
00:41:21.046 --> 00:41:24.106
has to be the biggest movie in the world or you still get small independent
00:41:24.106 --> 00:41:28.646
films but not always with as much scope other than like you were mentioning
00:41:28.646 --> 00:41:30.586
like stuff like The Endless,
00:41:30.766 --> 00:41:36.106
those two guys I think try to do a lot of really interesting stuff on a shoestring budget.
00:41:37.926 --> 00:41:43.646
It's definitely horror that seems to be being able to play around the most with their movies.
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I want to go back and watch the trailer for this because I want to know how it was advertised.
00:41:51.386 --> 00:41:54.206
It could have sold me like it was a slasher movie.
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I could see a trailer being cut together where people
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got stranded a boat save saves them
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but there's nobody else dead on the boat i i
00:42:03.406 --> 00:42:07.066
don't know but i i get to be like oh shit they didn't get saved they're with
00:42:07.066 --> 00:42:11.086
a serial killer so if you're a big slasher fan you jump into this movie all
00:42:11.086 --> 00:42:17.606
excited and then you're like what what's happening she's already there this
00:42:17.606 --> 00:42:21.646
is a high concept sci-fi or like more religious like you said,
00:42:23.646 --> 00:42:27.566
somebody's just like I'm drinking my Bud Light and I'm not prepared for this
00:42:27.566 --> 00:42:34.366
movie but that's all I got to say I'm glad we watched something new,
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time and we'll be back in two weeks with my pick whatever that is i didn't decide
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yet chuck did go over a lot of shapes at the beginning of this episode so maybe i'll pick a shape,
00:42:50.369 --> 00:42:56.569
we just did we then we'll move back into colors or something we're a very highbrow
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podcast oh yeah all right till then thanks for listening.