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You know, the numbers have been studied a
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initiatives is like for every dollar spent,
you're getting $6.10, $15 in return.
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You know what I mean?
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In a world where your boardroom is pining over
fractions of a percent of increase in
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profitability, we can take these programs, plug
them in right now, and in three to six months,
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you're going to see massive ROI.
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I don't see why any company would turn away
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And I think maybe right now, it's just a matter
of disbelief because the numbers are so big.
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They go, that can't be true.
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Or, oh my gosh, I'm gonna have to do this and
it's gonna be hard, right?
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But once we have once we prove it out and we
find some pilot companies that do it and then
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we have the data that backs it up, then it's
gonna be a no brainer.
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Josh, I love that we just met on LinkedIn and
we kinda that was the connection and then
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quickly was like, oh, we need to like actually
talk and have a conversation.
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And then, hey, let's go get coffee.
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And then, hey, I'm building this amazing thing.
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Let's talk more about that and have you on the
podcast.
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So it's been a it's been very serendipity as
they say on in the world of the Internet and
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where we we are in society because I feel like
historically IT guy I wouldn't call me an IT
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guy, but a guy that works in IT and a guy that
works in true hands on field shit wouldn't have
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been like, oh, yeah.
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Let's just hang out.
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It'll be funny.
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Let's go grab a coffee.
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Right?
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So, just really cool era of the world we live
in, but I was thinking, I'd love to hear more
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so about your experience before I dig into more
of the project build stuff.
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It's I wonder if you even realize what a fire
starter you are, but when we first connected,
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so we talked, right?
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And I kind of told you what what I was doing at
that moment in time.
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And you were like, oh, that's cool.
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Let me connect you with this guy I just had a
conversation with who was Matt Astin from or
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asked me Who's
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on the podcast?
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From From GPRS.
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Ohio.
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So Matt and I had a conversation over the phone
and he was like, you know, I don't know how I
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can help, but I know a guy that I can.
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So he connected me with Mark McGinnis, who is
the founder of Seal Legacy Charity or
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Foundation.
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And he's an ex Navy SEAL commander, does
incredible work for Navy SEALs in the suicide
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prevention space.
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They actually do suicide post vengeance for
their people.
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And Mark was really the linchpin for me going
from advocate to turning this into a real,
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like, full time thing, where he said to me, he
was like, you're gonna have to create it.
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If you wanna do what you say you wanna do, you
need foundation, you need a nonprofit, and you
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need a consulting business.
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And so fast forward a year and a half, two
years, and then that's where we're at, right?
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We're consulting, we've built the nonprofit,
rolling out these programs.
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And so, you know, I mean, ultimately, you,
Justin, were the catalyst for all of my career
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path.
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I don't know if I should thank you or curse
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I would love to take the credit, but like I
just I did the simple like, hey, this feels
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like a connection that may make sense in some
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And I I actually I had a I literally had a call
yesterday with she Heather Lennon, was also on
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the podcast, not serial entrepreneur, but she
runs a GC.
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It's one of the one of the businesses she has.
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never turned out the way I thought they were
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going to when I initially started them.
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I don't know.
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This seems like a thing that would maybe make
sense and who knows what, you know, what you do
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from there.
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I'll just say, hey.
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I I just did the basic minimum, and then you
took it from there.
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So you gotta you gotta applaud yourself for,
actually being driven and taking the ball and
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running with it.
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I say I can get a lot of work done with one
hand because I'm patting myself on the back
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with the other one all the time, you know?
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So how so how long were you before you decided,
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I'm going full, I'm gonna say advocacy is is
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Consulting advocacy, a nonprofit.
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Before that, how long were you in the trades?
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How like, share share with the listeners, hey.
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This is what I was doing prior to this.
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mud into the garage and cleaning out the
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bazooka in the yard and, you know, scrapping
houses at twelve, trying not to get nails
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through my shoes, that kind of thing.
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So that's how I grew up.
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I grew up with a dad that was saying, do not go
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that.
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IBEW apprenticeship in like 1997, 1998, topped
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out in like 2001.
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If you show up on time and you're not doing
drugs, they basically give you a foreman truck.
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you're the boss.
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journeyman lineman.
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I was running a crew installing street lights.
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years and kind of progressed through, through
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the trades and meandered around.
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I was the transmission and distribution vice
president for Intermountain Electric kind of
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all over The United States.
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That's a funny story.
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I got marooned up at Yellowtail Dam right on
the Wyoming Montana border in my truck driving
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out a transmission line.
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And Amy, my wife and my sister were like, you
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and fire and everybody out looking for me.
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And so the week that I got back, I got a call
from a recruiter and they said, Hey, they're
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building a semiconductor plant in Chandler.
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They want you to come do the electrical piece
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And I was like, Man, even in the interview, I
said, I think you guys called the wrong person.
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I know nothing about semiconductors.
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And she said, Wait, so you're going be home for
three years?
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And I said, Yeah.
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I ended up working for a GC on a semiconductor
project, which is what led me to so no
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coincidences, right?
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It led me to the suicide prevention work and
mental health advocacy and really started the
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ball rolling into what we're seeing today,
which is being thrust into the environment that
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we're in, understanding that it's an emergency.
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And really, you know, I spend a lot of time
educating myself on what's out there and what
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people are doing currently, but then also
identifying the gaps.
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And so then, you know, the project built is
really the gap filler that Amy and I decided we
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wanted to inject that we thought could do a ton
of good.
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So, obviously, suicide prevention, substance
abuse, this is big, huge problem in the
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industry.
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You see statistics, right?
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Like it is, as, as, as I say, as an outsider,
I'll see this statistics.
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I'm like, that's, that seems aggressive.
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It seems sad, but like, you've actually seen it
more firsthand and like the real reality of it.
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I know when we went and had coffee, having
conversations about like just the things that
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you've seen is heartbreak.
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Like, it's just like, you know, it makes sense
to me why you would then go and say, Hey, we
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need to fix this.
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We really need to fix this problem.
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It's easier to just, like, chalk it up to stats
and, like, numbers when you're not there seeing
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it compared to now, like, you're living this
and seeing this every day, and that's that's
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gotta be hard.
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You know, so I got I was in a position and I
would say voluntold, right?
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It's not like you don't ever look for that.
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But I was in a position to where I became the
crisis intervention guy on-site.
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And so, you know, a superintendent would call
me and say, Hey, I've got a guy that's
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struggling.
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Obviously, I don't know what to do.
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Will you talk to him?
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And so we would, you know, gather him up, take
him to a private space, sit down and see what's
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going on.
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And yeah, I saw some pretty horrific stuff, you
know, guys that were ready to go in the parking
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lot and down a bottle of pills or, you know,
that had a loaded gun on the front seat of
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their pickup truck.
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And their plan was to, you know, on the drive
home, pull off somewhere and do it.
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Or, you know, it was, it was strange for me to
be in that position.
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But so to back up a little bit, I come from a
background of trauma that, that childhood that
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I talked about was filled with addiction and
alcoholism.
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So I'm a CPTSD survivor.
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And about ten years ago, I finally raised the
white flag, got help, got EMDR therapy.
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You know, I've spent my whole life trying to
heal that part of me.
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And so, that mixed with being in the situation
that I was in, where I noticed that people were
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in crisis, I felt uniquely called to be
somebody that can help.
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And so, when I'm sitting with someone that is
in the middle of the crisis, I can say, Hey,
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I've been exactly where you are.
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I know what you're feeling.
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Here's what I was doing when that happened.
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And here's what I did to get out of that.
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And so that was a great opportunity for us to
open up.
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I call it the container, right?
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You open up the container, we can set our stuff
in there together, and then we can work on
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like, what are the next steps, right?
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I'm not a clinician.
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I'm not a therapist.
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I really don't know what to do outside of just
opening up and saying, Hey, I'm here for you.
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You're not alone.
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I love you.
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Let's move forward together.
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And then I'm going be the guy that's calling
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going to your appointments or whatever.
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But I think, like you said, right, identifying
the gaps.
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Now, the one gap that came up every single
time, and I've done dozens of interventions.
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I went, I went and did a retreat with my buddy,
Josh Rizzo and Justin Asbille with a company
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that had like 30 superintendents.
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Every single one of those guys talked about a
disconnection from family.
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Everyone that I did an intervention on,
everybody up at that retreat, everyone that I
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talked to as I'm traveling around doing talks,
it's always that disconnection from family.
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Amy and I felt that too, right?
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When I was marooned out there in the middle of
wherever, you know, when I was out traveling
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and we weren't communicating and we were
fighting and having struggles, you know, we
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didn't have the tools to stay connected, right?
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We didn't have rituals in place that allowed us
to maintain our stability and our communication
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as I was on the road and she was here trying to
raise a family and work and do all the things
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that she's got to do.
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road, traveling, doing this construction thing,
is that they don't feel appreciated.
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They're estranged from maybe they got two,
three divorces.
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Their kids don't talk to them, so they feel
totally alone.
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life thinking that they were sacrificing for
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their family, when in reality, their family
didn't appreciate what they were doing.
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They just felt like they were leaving them
alone.
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So really trying to figure out how we can do
something about that is what Amy and I have
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focused on and why we created the retreats that
that we'll we'll get into.
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So that I mean, literally, as you were getting
the semiconductor job, Amy said, I don't care
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what the job is.
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You're taking it because you'll be here for
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I think that that screams, you know, the ahas.
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Like, of the this is so crucially important
just being here, being near.
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And, obviously, there's a lot of traveling
tradesmen, right, that are just going to the
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next place to the next place to the next place,
and it makes it very difficult.
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So you you'd mentioned consulting nonprofit and
the foundation.
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Let's, let's get the breakup of those, what
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So the way that I the way that I look at it is
in order for there to be systemic change, it
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has to come from the top down and the bottom
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So, with Project Built, we're looking bottom
up, right?
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Healing families, getting out there to workers,
really giving them practices that they can
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inject into their lives that will make their
lives better.
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So, we start from the bottom up with that.
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And we study it, right?
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We can't just go out and do good, heartwarming
work.
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We have to have data to back it so that we can
drive big industrial change through, you know,
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risk insurance companies and the government.
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We need states involved.
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We need the federal government involved, the
Department of Labor, OSHA.
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It's going to take a huge federation of
interested parties that understand that we're
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trying to reshor and rebuild manufacturing.
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To do that, we have to be able to take care of
the people that are building it.
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And right now, construction is broken.
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We're seeing the highest rates of suicide and
drug overdose of any trade.
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And if you include extraction, mining, those
trades, those are all the worst, right?
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And they're all construction adjacent.
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So, kind of group them all together, right?
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It's high risk, high travel.
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And so, we have to, as a community, have to
start looking at, okay, where are we investing
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our money?
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Where are we investing our time and our
efforts?
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And how can we start to heal, you know, our
workers, the families, our job sites?
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How can we do that?
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So, bottom up is project built.
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And that's, you know, that's the piece that for
me is the most exciting, right?
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I love getting my hands dirty.
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I'm a builder.
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That's where I want to be.
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I want to be with the workers.
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But also, we have to come from the top down.
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And so the consulting is more about
understanding from an executive level, what is
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the return on wellness?
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How do we create programs within our company
that actually decrease turnover and increase
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engagement and decrease absenteeism and
presenteeism?
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And so all of the things that are draining your
profitability of your company as our margins
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are shrinking over and over again because of
that.
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That's just where we're at, right?
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Everybody's fighting for these jobs.
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So how can you increase your profitability
while at the same time taking care of your
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people?
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And so we put together a group of incredible
individuals from across the country that are
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coming together to try to solve that problem.
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And then, you know, it's about taking the, if
we demystify what it takes to get there, then
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we can give that to companies and say, Hey, you
don't have to do it our way.
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We're just gonna give you this information, and
we want you to go do it.
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Because it's gonna take 10,000 Josh's, you
know, out there doing this work to really make
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an impact at the scale that we need it.
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Interesting.
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You mentioned that return on wellness, right?
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So one of the things we talk about frequently,
obviously safety, like we think of it, when we
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ask the question, it's usually like, is it a
cost or is it an investment?
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Or is it both?
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Right.
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Taking that the step further to wellness.
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Right?
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Because it's like, yes, you don't want your
guys to get hurt.
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Pretty straightforward.
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Like, that is not good for business.
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That is bad for the human beings.
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That's bad for the business.
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It's bad for probability, all those different
things.
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But wellness takes that a step further.
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It's like, well, they didn't get hurt, per se,
but, like, they are, you know, being hurt
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mentally or they're being put in a really tough
position of stress and things like that.
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And where does that impact the business as well
as the person, as well as the family then they
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come home to?
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And I think that at least to my knowledge, and
maybe you can correct me wrong, that's not
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being thought of maybe as much as it should be,
is the easiest way to put it?
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You know, in all my searching and looking for
ways that we could come about solving this
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problem, I look to other models and other
industries and you know, how have they done it,
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right?
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So what's out there that people much smarter
than me have gathered to say, hey, this is what
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makes a healthy work environment.
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One of the challenges with construction is that
no one that's ever built a model around
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holistic wellness or worker wellness or
anything like that has looked at the transient
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nature of an industry like construction.
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You know, Reika Anna Lasso, who's a professor
at Pepperdine and she's helping us work on this
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stuff, she brought up a really good point.
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And it's a concept called teaming.
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And when you work, you know, in an office, you
go to the same place every day for ten years,
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you work around similar people, you can get
some, you know, best practices in place that
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are, you know, they become part of the culture
and that's just your daily regimen.
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But when you come to construction, you've got
an eighteen month turnaround on a project when
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you might be working with 100, 200 different
companies.
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So the idea of having that many companies with
that many, you know, whatever standard
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operating procedures coming together to try to
create a holistically well environment is
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incredibly complex.
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And no one has ever looked at it that way.
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And so that's what we're in the process of
trying to do is really, like I said, demystify
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those things.
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Because once we have a picture of everything
that comes together, then we can draw some
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corollaries and we can say, Hey, if you do
this, this, and this, then you're going to have
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a massive impact on the overall culture of a
job site or your company or whatever it might
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be.
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But we have to find that information first.
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We have to have the exercise of walking through
it with a group of individuals that are
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informed and are experts and have lived
experience.
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And we take all that knowledge and we condense
it into a package that allows us to extract
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what the best interventions might be.
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Yeah.
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I, it's interesting that you're working with
higher education or Pepperdine because that
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becomes, you know, it becomes, it becomes an
equation, right?
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I mean, that's sadly, it's how we break things
down, but it's like, how much effort do I put
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into this thing in the, in this case, wellness
that then allows me as a business.
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When you think of this in the, I'd say the
mister Burns way of thinking about it is like,
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if I can prove to mister Burns that
environmental policies are a good thing because
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it helps his business, he'll do them even
though he doesn't care about the environment.
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If I can prove to somebody that doesn't
necessarily, not that they don't care about
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their people, but they don't have the same
thought process on wellness.
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If I can prove to them if they do care about
this and put some investment into it, they will
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make more money.
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It is a lot easier to get those practices
passed than it is compared to it's just the
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right thing to do, or it is good for them as
human beings, those things.
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So I always frequently think like, oh yeah, if
we could just ROI everything that it makes
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decision making so much easier and new policies
so much easier to pass.
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Absolutely.
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You know, the numbers have been studied a
little bit and the return on wellness
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initiatives is like for every dollar spent,
you're getting $6.10, $15 in return.
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Know what I mean?
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In a world where your boardroom is pining over
fractions of a percent of increase in
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profitability, we can take these programs, plug
them in right now, and in three to six months,
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you're going to see massive ROI.
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I don't see why any company would turn away
from that.
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And I think maybe right now it's just a matter
of disbelief because the numbers are so big.
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They go, Ah, that can't be true.
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Or, Oh my gosh, I'm going to have to do this
and it's going to be hard.
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Right?
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But once we have once we prove it out and we
find some pilot companies that do it and then
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we have the data that backs it up, then it's
gonna be a no brainer.
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Yeah.
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I think that that's always the challenge for
the beginning of anything, right?
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It is it is hard at first.
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Like things are always hard at first.
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That's absolutely otherwise everybody would
already be doing it because it's easy.
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Right.
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And I think that that is probably the big leap
from where you're starting project build to
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then getting it to be the national standard,
you know, if if you will.
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That's the, hey.
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How do how do I get some people to to really,
really bite into this to to really prove out
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these programs, or initiatives that occur?
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Speaking of initiatives, family retreat.
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This is a big one that you're pushing for.
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I'd love to talk more about family retreats
because in general, I also like to retreat with
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my family.
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So that's always a nice thing.
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So tell what what is this what's the
philosophy?
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Where where did you see it?
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Where'd the idea come from?
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Explain it all.
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So
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the family retreat came in.
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It wasn't my idea.
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Like all good ideas, it came from my wife.
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So Amy Amy said, you know, what her focus
really as we started to think about, you know,
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creating a nonprofit and what we wanted to do
was you know, solving the problems that we had.
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Like you mentioned, you know, being marooned
out there in the middle of nowhere, having to
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go through crises together as we were newly
married and me being on the road and, you know,
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trying to raise kids from a FaceTime call is
just not, you know, it's hard, right?
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And so we went on this healing journey through
our process of, you know, just going through
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life and being lifelong learners of how to heal
our family and how to heal ourselves and show
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up better.
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And so, you know, what she wanted to do was
really explore what was available for families
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to do the same thing that we did and then do
that with them.
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You know, she started building out the idea and
it was obviously it made sense.
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So, I'm out there on the road talking to people
that are going through the same thing and
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they've got the family struggles.
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And so, you know, it made a lot of sense.
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And let me back up.
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So, in 2021, she and I read Gary Keller's book,
The One Thing.
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I don't know if you've read that one.
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So, in The One Thing, there's that work sheet,
right?
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That you do to figure out what your One Thing
is.
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So, we both did ours.
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Hers was like, you know, family and education
was like the main part of it.
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Mine was transforming people's lives through
experience.
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And as I was visioning what was happening, I
had this vision of what I thought was like
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summer camp.
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You know, like those seventies movies where,
you know, there's a lake and, you know, people
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are water skiing and super cheesy.
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That was the vision that I had.
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And in no way did I think I was going to be
doing summer camps.
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But fast forward four years and now we're
building a summer camp for families of
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construction and that's exactly what we're
going to be doing.
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Okay, so the vision was there.
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It's part of our life purpose is to help people
transform.
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And then obviously coming from the space that
we were in of, you know, being the child of
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addicts and, you know, having trauma that we
were trying to heal.
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And then, you know, once you get into your
adult attachment bond with your significant
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other, right?
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And then you throw kids into the mix, all this
stuff starts bubbling up that you thought you
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had parked somewhere and I was never going to
do this and I'm never going to yell at my kids
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and you know, all those things, right?
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They start bubbling up and you go, what the
heck do I do about this?
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And so we were on that journey of figuring that
out and we'll never not be on that journey, but
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we've come across a lot of really great ways
to, you know, put into practice those rituals
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that help you stay connected and, how to heal
on an individual level and bring that back to
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the family.
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You know, we moved our kids into homeschooling,
and so we have a micro school here at the house
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where we do kimochi circles and social
emotional learning for them so that they can be
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better connected to their emotions and
explaining them.
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You know, we've just been able to do so much
over the last four or five years that have
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really transformed our family that now we want
to give that to a larger group, if you know
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what I mean.
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Yeah.
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So the seventies summer camp idea.
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So how how does this work?
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What what happens?
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Is it is it a random lottery of like, we're
gonna it's like a what was it?
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A clearinghouse sweepstakes, kind of a thing?
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What what's the what's the way this works?
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What's the logistical way this works?
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Yeah, so we're going to open up nominations for
families and you can go to our website right
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now, which is getbuilt.org, and you can either
self nominate or nominate another family.
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And the criteria for qualification, like I
said, is going to be if you're a family that
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has experienced stress or whatever around
construction, you're qualified, which I don't
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know any family that's been in construction
that hasn't had somebody that's working late
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nights or on the road, bringing stress home,
whatever that looks like, showed up with an
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addiction that they maybe picked up after after
hanging out with the boys after work or girls.
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So it really it's pretty much open to anyone.
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We're going to run through a nomination
process.
446
00:23:15,404 --> 00:23:20,100
We're going to pick people that are ready to do
the work and have reached a point where they
447
00:23:20,100 --> 00:23:24,259
feel like us, they know they want something
different, and they know that they're ready.
448
00:23:24,259 --> 00:23:26,579
They're just not 100% sure what that is.
449
00:23:26,740 --> 00:23:27,860
We're going to fly them out.
450
00:23:27,860 --> 00:23:29,299
So all expenses paid.
451
00:23:29,299 --> 00:23:31,460
We'll fly them out to Aspen, Colorado.
452
00:23:32,394 --> 00:23:37,434
They'll take the drive up to Bayoule, which is
the resort that we're hosting the retreat at.
453
00:23:37,434 --> 00:23:42,795
An incredible place up at the mouth of the
Frying Pan River, which is like blue ribbon fly
454
00:23:42,795 --> 00:23:44,875
fishing, one of the best places in the country
for that.
455
00:23:46,079 --> 00:23:51,999
And then we're going to, you know, have them go
through a five day process of healing and
456
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:57,440
really in a regimented way that lets them
instill the practices that when they leave,
457
00:23:57,815 --> 00:24:00,054
they go home with tools that they need.
458
00:24:00,054 --> 00:24:03,654
Even if they do, 20% of it will completely
transform their lives.
459
00:24:03,654 --> 00:24:05,174
But we don't want to stop there.
460
00:24:05,174 --> 00:24:07,335
So, we're going to follow them for the next two
years.
461
00:24:07,335 --> 00:24:09,654
We're going to check-in on them, make sure we
know how they're doing.
462
00:24:09,829 --> 00:24:14,390
We're building that tribe of folks that can be
a peer support network for the families that
463
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:15,190
are there.
464
00:24:15,670 --> 00:24:18,869
And then for the next two years, we're just
going to make sure that they're doing okay,
465
00:24:18,869 --> 00:24:21,829
that that flywheel is spinning, that if they
need support, they have it.
466
00:24:22,275 --> 00:24:28,595
And then one family each year will be invited
back to be the like mentorship lead for the
467
00:24:28,595 --> 00:24:29,234
next year.
468
00:24:29,234 --> 00:24:33,555
So, you know, again, we pay it forward, we find
somebody that's really taking to the work that
469
00:24:33,555 --> 00:24:38,069
wants to give back, And then they come back the
following year and just model the sort of
470
00:24:38,069 --> 00:24:40,789
recovery and transformation that we're looking
to do.
471
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:45,029
And then we'll just continue that process with
as many retreats as we can fund.
472
00:24:45,029 --> 00:24:45,829
Know what I mean?
473
00:24:46,150 --> 00:24:46,390
Yeah.
474
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:46,789
No, no.
475
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:47,029
Okay.
476
00:24:48,204 --> 00:24:48,924
That's awesome.
477
00:24:48,924 --> 00:24:50,124
That's amazing.
478
00:24:51,964 --> 00:24:54,284
When is this tentatively happening?
479
00:24:54,284 --> 00:24:55,484
Or when is it actually happening?
480
00:24:55,644 --> 00:24:57,565
It'll be the last week in June.
481
00:24:57,565 --> 00:24:59,244
So June 2026.
482
00:24:59,244 --> 00:25:04,140
So we're heavily looking to make sure that we
have the funding in place to do that.
483
00:25:04,140 --> 00:25:09,420
And so, you'll see that at the end of year, our
fundraising campaign to pay for everything is
484
00:25:09,420 --> 00:25:11,019
what we're focused on right now.
485
00:25:11,099 --> 00:25:12,700
We have a lot of great information.
486
00:25:12,859 --> 00:25:14,700
But, you know, we're not just looking for
money.
487
00:25:14,775 --> 00:25:16,214
We're looking for friends.
488
00:25:16,214 --> 00:25:17,654
We're looking for advocates.
489
00:25:17,654 --> 00:25:23,414
We're looking for anyone who believes that
healing the family can help our industry and
490
00:25:23,414 --> 00:25:25,734
save lives and then also help our businesses.
491
00:25:25,734 --> 00:25:26,455
And they see that.
492
00:25:26,455 --> 00:25:32,330
So, for your listeners, what I would say is if
you feel called to this in any way, reach out
493
00:25:32,330 --> 00:25:32,730
to me.
494
00:25:32,730 --> 00:25:36,650
We can find a way for you to help, whether
that's volunteering, whether that's sponsoring.
495
00:25:36,890 --> 00:25:41,049
You know, there's a million ways that you can
get involved, whether it's just sharing the
496
00:25:41,049 --> 00:25:43,210
message on your social media, whatever that
looks like.
497
00:25:44,005 --> 00:25:44,644
Yeah.
498
00:25:46,005 --> 00:25:46,804
That's awesome.
499
00:25:46,804 --> 00:25:47,284
Okay.
500
00:25:47,605 --> 00:25:50,565
So what else are you building if that's not
enough?
501
00:25:51,365 --> 00:25:51,924
Right.
502
00:25:51,924 --> 00:25:54,804
Well, so you know, you're here in Arizona,
right?
503
00:25:54,804 --> 00:25:57,659
I met a guy, actually it's funny story.
504
00:25:57,659 --> 00:26:00,700
So my son goes to golf, like golf school.
505
00:26:00,700 --> 00:26:05,339
And one of the kids that he goes to golf school
with, great kid, his dad is, I think the chief
506
00:26:05,339 --> 00:26:08,220
of police or captain at Queen Creek Police
Department.
507
00:26:08,220 --> 00:26:14,244
Anyway, I went to go pick up Evan from his
buddy's house and walked inside, met mom, and
508
00:26:14,244 --> 00:26:16,005
started talking about the nonprofit.
509
00:26:16,005 --> 00:26:18,644
She was like, you know, you need to meet my
friend Rich.
510
00:26:18,805 --> 00:26:22,485
He's this incredible guy and he does stuff like
what you're talking about.
511
00:26:22,485 --> 00:26:28,690
So I met Rich Ganley, who is a philanthropist,
10 times successful businessman.
512
00:26:28,690 --> 00:26:32,289
He said he retired at like 40 because he sold
his company.
513
00:26:32,369 --> 00:26:35,890
And then really everything that he's done since
then is things that can help out people in the
514
00:26:35,890 --> 00:26:36,210
community.
515
00:26:36,525 --> 00:26:38,445
So, amazing guy.
516
00:26:38,445 --> 00:26:40,924
Well, he started this thing called the Recharge
Room.
517
00:26:40,924 --> 00:26:45,164
And the Recharge Room is in fire departments
and police departments all over the state.
518
00:26:45,164 --> 00:26:47,565
They're moving into education and hospitality
now.
519
00:26:47,805 --> 00:26:50,650
But it's the physiological reduction trauma.
520
00:26:50,650 --> 00:26:56,490
So, think about like red light therapy,
grounding, vagus nerve stimulation, cold plunge
521
00:26:56,490 --> 00:26:59,210
and infrared sauna in a thirty three minute
circuit.
522
00:26:59,210 --> 00:27:04,970
And what they've discovered is that just
handling that physiological piece of trauma
523
00:27:04,970 --> 00:27:11,605
reduction is incredibly transformative for the
police and firefighters that go through that
524
00:27:11,605 --> 00:27:12,404
process, right?
525
00:27:12,404 --> 00:27:17,684
And I think the city of Chandler, just this
month, released a study that said they spent
526
00:27:17,684 --> 00:27:22,880
$40,000 on a recharge room, and last year, they
saved $700,000 turnover.
527
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:23,759
Just turnover.
528
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:24,799
So, yeah.
529
00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:28,400
And now we have the police officers after a
stop.
530
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,519
They have a stressful interaction with somebody
in the public.
531
00:27:31,519 --> 00:27:35,705
They're sitting in their car and using the
vagus nerve stimulator to actually lower their
532
00:27:35,705 --> 00:27:40,825
blood pressure and lower their stress level
before they go on their next stop.
533
00:27:40,825 --> 00:27:42,825
And then their incident rates are falling.
534
00:27:42,825 --> 00:27:47,144
So we're starting to see how those
physiological interventions that athletes and
535
00:27:47,144 --> 00:27:51,880
the Gary Breckas and Hubermans of the world
have been talking about for a long time, we can
536
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:56,279
actually insert those into the workplace and be
able to do a lot of good there.
537
00:27:56,919 --> 00:27:59,879
I thought, okay, that makes a lot of sense for
construction.
538
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:04,359
We may not be able to do a cold plunge on a job
site because obviously we're dirty and filthy,
539
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,095
but, we can do those other things.
540
00:28:06,095 --> 00:28:08,974
So he came up with a shorter version.
541
00:28:08,974 --> 00:28:13,375
It's like ten minutes with no cold plunge or
sauna, but it does the same thing, right?
542
00:28:13,375 --> 00:28:14,335
It lowers stress.
543
00:28:14,335 --> 00:28:15,694
It lowers your heart rate.
544
00:28:15,694 --> 00:28:18,414
It gets your variable heart rate up, which is a
good thing.
545
00:28:18,820 --> 00:28:23,859
And then, you know, like just using
physiological interventions to start helping
546
00:28:23,859 --> 00:28:28,019
the people that we should be treating as
athletes, our construction folks, and to
547
00:28:28,019 --> 00:28:29,619
becoming better humans, right?
548
00:28:29,619 --> 00:28:35,015
And being able to weather the storm of Phoenix
summer when you're working twelve hour days,
549
00:28:35,015 --> 00:28:35,974
six days a week.
550
00:28:35,974 --> 00:28:41,335
So, he and I got together and we've started
basically a peak performance hub is what we're
551
00:28:41,335 --> 00:28:41,815
calling them.
552
00:28:41,815 --> 00:28:43,815
So, you can put this on your job site.
553
00:28:44,009 --> 00:28:49,049
You'll have the physiological portion, but then
you'll also have, you know, peer support and
554
00:28:49,289 --> 00:28:52,650
the mental health support that we're talking
about through Project Built.
555
00:28:52,650 --> 00:28:56,490
So, we've formed a joint venture to kind of
combine those two efforts.
556
00:28:56,765 --> 00:29:01,085
And then we'll show that huge ROI on doing the
wellness stuff.
557
00:29:01,085 --> 00:29:06,125
But we also let companies kind of be hands off
so they don't have to create the program.
558
00:29:06,125 --> 00:29:07,565
They don't have to train their people.
559
00:29:07,565 --> 00:29:10,125
It's something that's ready to go that they can
plug in today.
560
00:29:10,410 --> 00:29:15,529
And by Monday of next week, they're gonna start
seeing the results of that.
561
00:29:15,769 --> 00:29:16,250
Wow.
562
00:29:16,250 --> 00:29:16,650
Okay.
563
00:29:16,650 --> 00:29:21,769
So, and that's essentially ready to be brought
to a job site today.
564
00:29:21,769 --> 00:29:22,330
Is that accurate?
565
00:29:22,744 --> 00:29:27,465
We're looking to find a few companies that are
ready to pilot that for us so that we can, you
566
00:29:27,465 --> 00:29:29,545
know, study the statistical data.
567
00:29:29,545 --> 00:29:33,305
We've got a few companies that are like on the
hook that have said that they want to.
568
00:29:33,305 --> 00:29:37,305
So we're just developing everything and
figuring out what's gonna work best for those
569
00:29:37,305 --> 00:29:37,625
locations.
570
00:29:38,019 --> 00:29:38,980
But we need more.
571
00:29:38,980 --> 00:29:43,779
So the more people we can have pilot this, the
more, you know, data sets we have, the better
572
00:29:43,779 --> 00:29:47,859
our data will be and, you know, then we'll
really understand what works and what doesn't.
573
00:29:48,179 --> 00:29:48,500
No.
574
00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:48,740
Okay.
575
00:29:48,740 --> 00:29:55,184
I love the fact that you're actually using data
because to back to my mister Burns analogy,
576
00:29:55,184 --> 00:30:01,744
data is key in these things to make, make,
believers out of others, essentially.
577
00:30:02,144 --> 00:30:02,464
Yeah.
578
00:30:03,079 --> 00:30:08,519
We're working with your friends over at the
Deli Webb School at Arizona State University,
579
00:30:08,519 --> 00:30:09,079
Doctor.
580
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:15,914
Soo Yuan Song, who is she's an award winning
professor out of University of Alabama, and now
581
00:30:15,914 --> 00:30:21,115
she's there doing some incredible work into
like heat illness prevention and some wearable
582
00:30:21,115 --> 00:30:21,674
devices.
583
00:30:21,674 --> 00:30:25,275
But yeah, we're going to bring her grad
students right out to the job site and let them
584
00:30:25,275 --> 00:30:30,075
have a lab where they can be interacting with
real construction workers and try to bridge
585
00:30:30,075 --> 00:30:30,715
that gap too.
586
00:30:31,309 --> 00:30:31,789
Wow.
587
00:30:31,789 --> 00:30:32,429
I love that.
588
00:30:32,429 --> 00:30:33,309
That's amazing.
589
00:30:33,309 --> 00:30:37,230
In addition to them, you know, being sun
devils, which I inherently love, I love the
590
00:30:37,230 --> 00:30:42,190
fact that they're actually going into the field
and saying like, hey, let's have a straight lab
591
00:30:42,190 --> 00:30:43,869
here and and figure this out.
592
00:30:44,509 --> 00:30:44,990
That's awesome.
593
00:30:45,075 --> 00:30:47,875
So, you got a ton of, what is it, pokers in the
fire?
594
00:30:47,875 --> 00:30:49,394
Is that what they that's how they say it, I
think.
595
00:30:49,394 --> 00:30:50,274
You got lots Yeah.
596
00:30:49,954 --> 00:30:52,115
Stuff going Something.
597
00:30:52,115 --> 00:30:53,075
They say something.
598
00:30:53,075 --> 00:30:53,554
Awesome.
599
00:30:53,634 --> 00:30:54,274
Anything else?
600
00:30:54,274 --> 00:30:57,154
Anything else that you'd like to share of
what's happening?
601
00:30:57,154 --> 00:30:57,794
Yeah.
602
00:30:57,794 --> 00:31:03,819
You know, I think, well, I mean, obviously,
Construction Suicide Prevention Week was just
603
00:31:03,819 --> 00:31:04,619
last month.
604
00:31:04,619 --> 00:31:07,660
So, I'm the 2025 chair of that.
605
00:31:07,660 --> 00:31:10,460
So, I just want to thank everybody that was out
there doing work.
606
00:31:10,460 --> 00:31:13,339
I'm sure some people that will be listening to
this participated.
607
00:31:13,744 --> 00:31:14,785
So, that was huge.
608
00:31:14,785 --> 00:31:19,424
You know, awareness, it's still baffling to me
that we're not aware of that.
609
00:31:19,424 --> 00:31:22,625
But that's where I was in 2021 when I
discovered it.
610
00:31:22,625 --> 00:31:26,384
And we still have a lot of work to do as far as
the awareness piece goes.
611
00:31:26,384 --> 00:31:32,990
So, you know, just committing to one week a
year in September, focusing on suicide
612
00:31:32,990 --> 00:31:37,309
prevention and awareness is a huge way that you
can get your company started.
613
00:31:37,549 --> 00:31:38,750
That's all free to do.
614
00:31:38,750 --> 00:31:43,904
So, constructionsuicideprevention.com is the
website where you can register your company.
615
00:31:44,144 --> 00:31:48,704
And we have all sorts of webinars throughout
the year that help you get informed.
616
00:31:49,265 --> 00:31:51,345
There's lots of great resources available
there.
617
00:31:51,539 --> 00:31:53,460
There's a speaker sourcing guide.
618
00:31:53,460 --> 00:31:57,380
So, if you're looking for somebody to do your
year end, to talk about mental health or
619
00:31:57,380 --> 00:32:01,140
suicide prevention, you know, quarterly
meetings, we can do virtual meetings.
620
00:32:01,140 --> 00:32:06,820
So, there's all sorts of ways that you can get
started in the process of informing your folks
621
00:32:06,984 --> 00:32:08,345
or the executive team.
622
00:32:08,345 --> 00:32:12,585
You know, if that's doing a retreat for the
executive team to get aligned on what it looks
623
00:32:12,585 --> 00:32:18,505
like to transform your culture and, you know,
how to do a strategic plan, there's a ton of
624
00:32:18,505 --> 00:32:19,704
ways to go about it.
625
00:32:20,585 --> 00:32:24,890
And, you know, if you have any questions or if
your listeners have any questions, I'm happy to
626
00:32:24,890 --> 00:32:29,369
pro bono, just walk them through what's
available because, know, my whole life is
627
00:32:29,369 --> 00:32:33,049
absorbed with finding the right people and
making sure they're doing the right thing.
628
00:32:33,210 --> 00:32:39,924
Tiffany Sharp, who's a GC owner here in Phoenix
has the saying the right people doing the right
629
00:32:39,924 --> 00:32:41,284
things at the right time.
630
00:32:41,285 --> 00:32:41,684
Right.
631
00:32:41,605 --> 00:32:43,204
That's, that's it.
632
00:32:43,204 --> 00:32:44,164
So I love that.
633
00:32:44,164 --> 00:32:45,285
This has been a ton of fun.
634
00:32:45,285 --> 00:32:48,244
If somebody wanted to get ahold of you, what's
the best way for them to actually do that?
635
00:32:48,980 --> 00:32:54,099
Well, I will, I'll share my Linktree with you
and we can drop it in the show notes if that's
636
00:32:54,099 --> 00:32:54,500
cool.
637
00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:59,539
The best, the best way to do it also is to go
to, you know, getbuilt.org, contact us.
638
00:32:59,539 --> 00:33:02,174
I'm the guy, you know, right now it's, it's me
and Amy.
639
00:33:02,174 --> 00:33:03,294
We don't have a staff.
640
00:33:03,294 --> 00:33:04,095
We're doing it all.
641
00:33:04,095 --> 00:33:07,294
So, you know, when you email or call, you're
going to talk to me.
642
00:33:07,294 --> 00:33:09,294
And so I'm available whenever, right?
643
00:33:09,294 --> 00:33:13,615
And luckily, you know, through my work, I've
figured out how to have boundaries.
644
00:33:13,615 --> 00:33:18,349
So I do, you know, I take some family time and
I take some time for myself to meditate and
645
00:33:18,349 --> 00:33:18,909
journal.
646
00:33:19,149 --> 00:33:23,549
But ultimately, this is my life and this is
what I'm here to do is help, help people and
647
00:33:23,549 --> 00:33:24,269
companies.
648
00:33:24,269 --> 00:33:25,869
So I'm here for that, you know.
649
00:33:25,869 --> 00:33:30,075
And if there's any way that I can help you or
any of your listeners, I'm I'm absolutely
650
00:33:30,075 --> 00:33:31,274
available for that.
651
00:33:31,914 --> 00:33:32,555
I love it.
652
00:33:32,555 --> 00:33:37,514
I love, those that find purpose as as you know,
and we've had many conversations about that.
653
00:33:38,315 --> 00:33:39,194
It's a beautiful thing.
654
00:33:39,194 --> 00:33:41,674
So, this has been a ton of fun.
655
00:33:41,674 --> 00:33:46,299
I had a I had a really good time just getting
to share just more time with you as well as
656
00:33:46,299 --> 00:33:51,740
just with the listeners and see how we can just
help the industry grow and and become better.
657
00:33:51,740 --> 00:33:52,299
So yeah.
658
00:33:52,299 --> 00:33:54,539
Anything else you wanna add before we say our
goodbyes?
659
00:33:55,420 --> 00:33:55,980
No.
660
00:33:55,980 --> 00:33:58,059
I would just say, you know, be good to
yourself.
661
00:33:58,059 --> 00:33:58,220
Right?
662
00:33:58,365 --> 00:34:01,164
Stay strong, you know, wherever you're at.
663
00:34:01,164 --> 00:34:07,884
You know, I just spoke with someone today that
was struggling with addiction and really, you
664
00:34:07,884 --> 00:34:12,125
know, giving yourself permission to be right
where you're at is the one piece of advice that
665
00:34:12,179 --> 00:34:16,099
I wish I could give myself ten years ago, and
maybe I need to give myself today.
666
00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:19,059
It's, you know, right where you're at is
totally fine.
667
00:34:19,219 --> 00:34:20,339
And you're doing the thing.
668
00:34:20,339 --> 00:34:22,659
We're all here doing that human thing.
669
00:34:23,139 --> 00:34:25,699
The more we can be here for each other, the
better we'll all be off.
670
00:34:26,235 --> 00:34:27,994
Better off we'll all be.
671
00:34:28,155 --> 00:34:32,075
That's the, when's the best time to plant a
tree twenty years ago?
672
00:34:32,235 --> 00:34:34,235
When's the second best time today?
673
00:34:34,235 --> 00:34:34,474
Right?
674
00:34:34,474 --> 00:34:36,394
So it's just, the reality of it.
675
00:34:36,394 --> 00:34:36,635
Yeah.
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Listeners, it's been a ton of fun.
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Keep building scale.
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Absolutely.
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You know, the numbers have been studied a
little bit and the return on wellness
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initiatives is like for every dollar spent,
you're getting $6.10, $15 in return.
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You know what I mean?
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In a world where your boardroom is pining over
fractions of a percent of increase in
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profitability, we can take these programs, plug
them in right now, and in three to six months,
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you're going to see massive ROI.
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I don't see why any company would turn away
from that.
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And I think maybe right now, it's just a matter
of disbelief because the numbers are so big.
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They go, that can't be true.
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Or, oh my gosh, I'm gonna have to do this and
it's gonna be hard, right?
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But once we have once we prove it out and we
find some pilot companies that do it and then
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we have the data that backs it up, then it's
gonna be a no brainer.
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Josh, I love that we just met on LinkedIn and
we kinda that was the connection and then
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quickly was like, oh, we need to like actually
talk and have a conversation.
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And then, hey, let's go get coffee.
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And then, hey, I'm building this amazing thing.
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Let's talk more about that and have you on the
podcast.
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So it's been a it's been very serendipity as
they say on in the world of the Internet and
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where we we are in society because I feel like
historically IT guy I wouldn't call me an IT
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guy, but a guy that works in IT and a guy that
works in true hands on field shit wouldn't have
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been like, oh, yeah.
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Let's just hang out.
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It'll be funny.
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Let's go grab a coffee.
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Right?
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So, just really cool era of the world we live
in, but I was thinking, I'd love to hear more
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so about your experience before I dig into more
of the project build stuff.
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It's I wonder if you even realize what a fire
starter you are, but when we first connected,
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so we talked, right?
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And I kind of told you what what I was doing at
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And you were like, oh, that's cool.
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Let me connect you with this guy I just had a
conversation with who was Matt Astin from or
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asked me Who's
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on the podcast?
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From From GPRS.
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Ohio.
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So Matt and I had a conversation over the phone
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can help, but I know a guy that I can.
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So he connected me with Mark McGinnis, who is
the founder of Seal Legacy Charity or
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Foundation.
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And he's an ex Navy SEAL commander, does
incredible work for Navy SEALs in the suicide
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prevention space.
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They actually do suicide post vengeance for
their people.
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And Mark was really the linchpin for me going
from advocate to turning this into a real,
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like, full time thing, where he said to me, he
was like, you're gonna have to create it.
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If you wanna do what you say you wanna do, you
need foundation, you need a nonprofit, and you
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need a consulting business.
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And so fast forward a year and a half, two
years, and then that's where we're at, right?
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We're consulting, we've built the nonprofit,
rolling out these programs.
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And so, you know, I mean, ultimately, you,
Justin, were the catalyst for all of my career
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path.
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I don't know if I should thank you or curse
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I would love to take the credit, but like I
just I did the simple like, hey, this feels
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like a connection that may make sense in some
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And I I actually I had a I literally had a call
yesterday with she Heather Lennon, was also on
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the podcast, not serial entrepreneur, but she
runs a GC.
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It's one of the one of the businesses she has.
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never turned out the way I thought they were
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going to when I initially started them.
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I don't know.
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This seems like a thing that would maybe make
sense and who knows what, you know, what you do
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from there.
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I'll just say, hey.
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I I just did the basic minimum, and then you
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So you gotta you gotta applaud yourself for,
actually being driven and taking the ball and
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running with it.
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Oh, yeah.
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I say I can get a lot of work done with one
hand because I'm patting myself on the back
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with the other one all the time, you know?
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So how so how long were you before you decided,
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I'm going full, I'm gonna say advocacy is is
the I'll tee it up to that.
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Consulting advocacy, a nonprofit.
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Before that, how long were you in the trades?
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How like, share share with the listeners, hey.
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This is what I was doing prior to this.
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mud into the garage and cleaning out the
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bazooka in the yard and, you know, scrapping
houses at twelve, trying not to get nails
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through my shoes, that kind of thing.
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So that's how I grew up.
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I grew up with a dad that was saying, do not go
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that.
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IBEW apprenticeship in like 1997, 1998, topped
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out in like 2001.
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If you show up on time and you're not doing
drugs, they basically give you a foreman truck.
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You know, if that's all you're doing, then
you're the boss.
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So they made me a foreman before I was even a
journeyman lineman.
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I was running a crew installing street lights.
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years and kind of progressed through, through
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the trades and meandered around.
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I was the transmission and distribution vice
president for Intermountain Electric kind of
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all over The United States.
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That's a funny story.
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I got marooned up at Yellowtail Dam right on
the Wyoming Montana border in my truck driving
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out a transmission line.
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And Amy, my wife and my sister were like, you
know, calling search and rescue and had police
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and fire and everybody out looking for me.
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And so the week that I got back, I got a call
from a recruiter and they said, Hey, they're
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building a semiconductor plant in Chandler.
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They want you to come do the electrical piece
of that.
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And I was like, Man, even in the interview, I
said, I think you guys called the wrong person.
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I know nothing about semiconductors.
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But they offered me a position, and I told Amy
about it.
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And she said, Wait, so you're going be home for
three years?
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And I said, Yeah.
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You're taking the job.
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I ended up working for a GC on a semiconductor
project, which is what led me to so no
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coincidences, right?
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It led me to the suicide prevention work and
mental health advocacy and really started the
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ball rolling into what we're seeing today,
which is being thrust into the environment that
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we're in, understanding that it's an emergency.
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And really, you know, I spend a lot of time
educating myself on what's out there and what
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people are doing currently, but then also
identifying the gaps.
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And so then, you know, the project built is
really the gap filler that Amy and I decided we
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wanted to inject that we thought could do a ton
of good.
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So, obviously, suicide prevention, substance
abuse, this is big, huge problem in the
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industry.
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You see statistics, right?
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Like it is, as, as, as I say, as an outsider,
I'll see this statistics.
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I'm like, that's, that seems aggressive.
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It seems sad, but like, you've actually seen it
more firsthand and like the real reality of it.
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I know when we went and had coffee, having
conversations about like just the things that
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you've seen is heartbreak.
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Like, it's just like, you know, it makes sense
to me why you would then go and say, Hey, we
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need to fix this.
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We really need to fix this problem.
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It's easier to just, like, chalk it up to stats
and, like, numbers when you're not there seeing
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it compared to now, like, you're living this
and seeing this every day, and that's that's
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gotta be hard.
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You know, so I got I was in a position and I
would say voluntold, right?
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It's not like you don't ever look for that.
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But I was in a position to where I became the
crisis intervention guy on-site.
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And so, you know, a superintendent would call
me and say, Hey, I've got a guy that's
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struggling.
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Obviously, I don't know what to do.
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Will you talk to him?
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And so we would, you know, gather him up, take
him to a private space, sit down and see what's
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going on.
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And yeah, I saw some pretty horrific stuff, you
know, guys that were ready to go in the parking
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lot and down a bottle of pills or, you know,
that had a loaded gun on the front seat of
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their pickup truck.
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And their plan was to, you know, on the drive
home, pull off somewhere and do it.
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Or, you know, it was, it was strange for me to
be in that position.
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But so to back up a little bit, I come from a
background of trauma that, that childhood that
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I talked about was filled with addiction and
alcoholism.
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So I'm a CPTSD survivor.
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And about ten years ago, I finally raised the
white flag, got help, got EMDR therapy.
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You know, I've spent my whole life trying to
heal that part of me.
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And so, that mixed with being in the situation
that I was in, where I noticed that people were
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in crisis, I felt uniquely called to be
somebody that can help.
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And so, when I'm sitting with someone that is
in the middle of the crisis, I can say, Hey,
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I've been exactly where you are.
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I know what you're feeling.
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Here's what I was doing when that happened.
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And here's what I did to get out of that.
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And so that was a great opportunity for us to
open up.
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I call it the container, right?
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You open up the container, we can set our stuff
in there together, and then we can work on
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like, what are the next steps, right?
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I'm not a clinician.
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I'm not a therapist.
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I really don't know what to do outside of just
opening up and saying, Hey, I'm here for you.
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You're not alone.
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I love you.
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Let's move forward together.
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And then I'm going be the guy that's calling
and texting you and making sure that you're
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going to your appointments or whatever.
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But I think, like you said, right, identifying
the gaps.
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Now, the one gap that came up every single
time, and I've done dozens of interventions.
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I went, I went and did a retreat with my buddy,
Josh Rizzo and Justin Asbille with a company
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that had like 30 superintendents.
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Every single one of those guys talked about a
disconnection from family.
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Everyone that I did an intervention on,
everybody up at that retreat, everyone that I
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talked to as I'm traveling around doing talks,
it's always that disconnection from family.
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Amy and I felt that too, right?
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When I was marooned out there in the middle of
wherever, you know, when I was out traveling
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and we weren't communicating and we were
fighting and having struggles, you know, we
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didn't have the tools to stay connected, right?
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We didn't have rituals in place that allowed us
to maintain our stability and our communication
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as I was on the road and she was here trying to
raise a family and work and do all the things
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that she's got to do.
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And what I've noticed, a lot of the gentlemen
like myself that have spent their lives on the
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road, traveling, doing this construction thing,
is that they don't feel appreciated.
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They're estranged from maybe they got two,
three divorces.
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Their kids don't talk to them, so they feel
totally alone.
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And they feel like they've wasted their entire
life thinking that they were sacrificing for
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their family, when in reality, their family
didn't appreciate what they were doing.
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They just felt like they were leaving them
alone.
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So really trying to figure out how we can do
something about that is what Amy and I have
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focused on and why we created the retreats that
that we'll we'll get into.
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So that I mean, literally, as you were getting
the semiconductor job, Amy said, I don't care
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what the job is.
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You're taking it because you'll be here for
three years.
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I think that that screams, you know, the ahas.
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Right?
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Like, of the this is so crucially important
just being here, being near.
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And, obviously, there's a lot of traveling
tradesmen, right, that are just going to the
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next place to the next place to the next place,
and it makes it very difficult.
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So you you'd mentioned consulting nonprofit and
the foundation.
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Let's, let's get the breakup of those, what
that looks like, and then we can dig into these
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retreats.
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Sure.
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So the way that I the way that I look at it is
in order for there to be systemic change, it
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has to come from the top down and the bottom
up.
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So, with Project Built, we're looking bottom
up, right?
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Healing families, getting out there to workers,
really giving them practices that they can
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inject into their lives that will make their
lives better.
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So, we start from the bottom up with that.
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And we study it, right?
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We can't just go out and do good, heartwarming
work.
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We have to have data to back it so that we can
drive big industrial change through, you know,
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risk insurance companies and the government.
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We need states involved.
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We need the federal government involved, the
Department of Labor, OSHA.
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It's going to take a huge federation of
interested parties that understand that we're
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trying to reshor and rebuild manufacturing.
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To do that, we have to be able to take care of
the people that are building it.
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And right now, construction is broken.
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We're seeing the highest rates of suicide and
drug overdose of any trade.
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And if you include extraction, mining, those
trades, those are all the worst, right?
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And they're all construction adjacent.
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So, kind of group them all together, right?
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It's high risk, high travel.
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And so, we have to, as a community, have to
start looking at, okay, where are we investing
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our money?
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Where are we investing our time and our
efforts?
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And how can we start to heal, you know, our
workers, the families, our job sites?
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How can we do that?
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So, bottom up is project built.
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And that's, you know, that's the piece that for
me is the most exciting, right?
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I love getting my hands dirty.
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I'm a builder.
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That's where I want to be.
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I want to be with the workers.
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But also, we have to come from the top down.
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And so the consulting is more about
understanding from an executive level, what is
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the return on wellness?
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How do we create programs within our company
that actually decrease turnover and increase
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engagement and decrease absenteeism and
presenteeism?
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And so all of the things that are draining your
profitability of your company as our margins
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are shrinking over and over again because of
that.
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That's just where we're at, right?
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Everybody's fighting for these jobs.
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So how can you increase your profitability
while at the same time taking care of your
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people?
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And so we put together a group of incredible
individuals from across the country that are
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coming together to try to solve that problem.
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And then, you know, it's about taking the, if
we demystify what it takes to get there, then
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we can give that to companies and say, Hey, you
don't have to do it our way.
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We're just gonna give you this information, and
we want you to go do it.
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Because it's gonna take 10,000 Josh's, you
know, out there doing this work to really make
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an impact at the scale that we need it.
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Interesting.
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You mentioned that return on wellness, right?
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So one of the things we talk about frequently,
obviously safety, like we think of it, when we
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ask the question, it's usually like, is it a
cost or is it an investment?
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Or is it both?
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Right.
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Taking that the step further to wellness.
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Right?
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Because it's like, yes, you don't want your
guys to get hurt.
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Pretty straightforward.
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Like, that is not good for business.
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That is bad for the human beings.
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That's bad for the business.
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It's bad for probability, all those different
things.
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But wellness takes that a step further.
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It's like, well, they didn't get hurt, per se,
but, like, they are, you know, being hurt
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mentally or they're being put in a really tough
position of stress and things like that.
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And where does that impact the business as well
as the person, as well as the family then they
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come home to?
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And I think that at least to my knowledge, and
maybe you can correct me wrong, that's not
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being thought of maybe as much as it should be,
is the easiest way to put it?
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You know, in all my searching and looking for
ways that we could come about solving this
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problem, I look to other models and other
industries and you know, how have they done it,
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right?
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So what's out there that people much smarter
than me have gathered to say, hey, this is what
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makes a healthy work environment.
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One of the challenges with construction is that
no one that's ever built a model around
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holistic wellness or worker wellness or
anything like that has looked at the transient
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nature of an industry like construction.
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You know, Reika Anna Lasso, who's a professor
at Pepperdine and she's helping us work on this
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stuff, she brought up a really good point.
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And it's a concept called teaming.
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And when you work, you know, in an office, you
go to the same place every day for ten years,
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you work around similar people, you can get
some, you know, best practices in place that
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are, you know, they become part of the culture
and that's just your daily regimen.
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But when you come to construction, you've got
an eighteen month turnaround on a project when
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you might be working with 100, 200 different
companies.
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So the idea of having that many companies with
that many, you know, whatever standard
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operating procedures coming together to try to
create a holistically well environment is
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incredibly complex.
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And no one has ever looked at it that way.
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And so that's what we're in the process of
trying to do is really, like I said, demystify
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those things.
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Because once we have a picture of everything
that comes together, then we can draw some
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corollaries and we can say, Hey, if you do
this, this, and this, then you're going to have
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a massive impact on the overall culture of a
job site or your company or whatever it might
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be.
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But we have to find that information first.
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We have to have the exercise of walking through
it with a group of individuals that are
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informed and are experts and have lived
experience.
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And we take all that knowledge and we condense
it into a package that allows us to extract
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what the best interventions might be.
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Yeah.
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I, it's interesting that you're working with
higher education or Pepperdine because that
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becomes, you know, it becomes, it becomes an
equation, right?
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I mean, that's sadly, it's how we break things
down, but it's like, how much effort do I put
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into this thing in the, in this case, wellness
that then allows me as a business.
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When you think of this in the, I'd say the
mister Burns way of thinking about it is like,
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if I can prove to mister Burns that
environmental policies are a good thing because
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it helps his business, he'll do them even
though he doesn't care about the environment.
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If I can prove to somebody that doesn't
necessarily, not that they don't care about
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their people, but they don't have the same
thought process on wellness.
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If I can prove to them if they do care about
this and put some investment into it, they will
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make more money.
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It is a lot easier to get those practices
passed than it is compared to it's just the
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right thing to do, or it is good for them as
human beings, those things.
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So I always frequently think like, oh yeah, if
we could just ROI everything that it makes
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decision making so much easier and new policies
so much easier to pass.
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Absolutely.
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You know, the numbers have been studied a
little bit and the return on wellness
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initiatives is like for every dollar spent,
you're getting $6.10, $15 in return.
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Know what I mean?
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In a world where your boardroom is pining over
fractions of a percent of increase in
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profitability, we can take these programs, plug
them in right now, and in three to six months,
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you're going to see massive ROI.
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I don't see why any company would turn away
from that.
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And I think maybe right now it's just a matter
of disbelief because the numbers are so big.
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They go, Ah, that can't be true.
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Or, Oh my gosh, I'm going to have to do this
and it's going to be hard.
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Right?
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But once we have once we prove it out and we
find some pilot companies that do it and then
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we have the data that backs it up, then it's
gonna be a no brainer.
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Yeah.
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I think that that's always the challenge for
the beginning of anything, right?
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It is it is hard at first.
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Like things are always hard at first.
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That's absolutely otherwise everybody would
already be doing it because it's easy.
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Right.
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And I think that that is probably the big leap
from where you're starting project build to
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then getting it to be the national standard,
you know, if if you will.
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That's the, hey.
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How do how do I get some people to to really,
really bite into this to to really prove out
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these programs, or initiatives that occur?
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Speaking of initiatives, family retreat.
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This is a big one that you're pushing for.
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I'd love to talk more about family retreats
because in general, I also like to retreat with
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my family.
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So that's always a nice thing.
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So tell what what is this what's the
philosophy?
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Where where did you see it?
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Where'd the idea come from?
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Explain it all.
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So
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the family retreat came in.
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It wasn't my idea.
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Like all good ideas, it came from my wife.
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So Amy Amy said, you know, what her focus
really as we started to think about, you know,
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creating a nonprofit and what we wanted to do
was you know, solving the problems that we had.
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Like you mentioned, you know, being marooned
out there in the middle of nowhere, having to
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go through crises together as we were newly
married and me being on the road and, you know,
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trying to raise kids from a FaceTime call is
just not, you know, it's hard, right?
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And so we went on this healing journey through
our process of, you know, just going through
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life and being lifelong learners of how to heal
our family and how to heal ourselves and show
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up better.
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And so, you know, what she wanted to do was
really explore what was available for families
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to do the same thing that we did and then do
that with them.
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You know, she started building out the idea and
it was obviously it made sense.
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So, I'm out there on the road talking to people
that are going through the same thing and
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they've got the family struggles.
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And so, you know, it made a lot of sense.
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And let me back up.
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So, in 2021, she and I read Gary Keller's book,
The One Thing.
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I don't know if you've read that one.
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So, in The One Thing, there's that work sheet,
right?
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That you do to figure out what your One Thing
is.
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So, we both did ours.
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Hers was like, you know, family and education
was like the main part of it.
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Mine was transforming people's lives through
experience.
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And as I was visioning what was happening, I
had this vision of what I thought was like
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summer camp.
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You know, like those seventies movies where,
you know, there's a lake and, you know, people
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are water skiing and super cheesy.
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That was the vision that I had.
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And in no way did I think I was going to be
doing summer camps.
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But fast forward four years and now we're
building a summer camp for families of
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construction and that's exactly what we're
going to be doing.
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Okay, so the vision was there.
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It's part of our life purpose is to help people
transform.
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And then obviously coming from the space that
we were in of, you know, being the child of
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addicts and, you know, having trauma that we
were trying to heal.
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And then, you know, once you get into your
adult attachment bond with your significant
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other, right?
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And then you throw kids into the mix, all this
stuff starts bubbling up that you thought you
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had parked somewhere and I was never going to
do this and I'm never going to yell at my kids
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and you know, all those things, right?
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They start bubbling up and you go, what the
heck do I do about this?
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And so we were on that journey of figuring that
out and we'll never not be on that journey, but
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we've come across a lot of really great ways
to, you know, put into practice those rituals
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that help you stay connected and, how to heal
on an individual level and bring that back to
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the family.
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You know, we moved our kids into homeschooling,
and so we have a micro school here at the house
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where we do kimochi circles and social
emotional learning for them so that they can be
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better connected to their emotions and
explaining them.
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You know, we've just been able to do so much
over the last four or five years that have
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really transformed our family that now we want
to give that to a larger group, if you know
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what I mean.
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Yeah.
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So the seventies summer camp idea.
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So how how does this work?
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What what happens?
433
00:22:25,390 --> 00:22:29,950
Is it is it a random lottery of like, we're
gonna it's like a what was it?
434
00:22:29,950 --> 00:22:32,350
A clearinghouse sweepstakes, kind of a thing?
435
00:22:32,350 --> 00:22:33,789
What what's the what's the way this works?
436
00:22:33,765 --> 00:22:35,684
What's the logistical way this works?
437
00:22:35,765 --> 00:22:40,884
Yeah, so we're going to open up nominations for
families and you can go to our website right
438
00:22:40,884 --> 00:22:46,565
now, which is getbuilt.org, and you can either
self nominate or nominate another family.
439
00:22:46,565 --> 00:22:51,750
And the criteria for qualification, like I
said, is going to be if you're a family that
440
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:57,509
has experienced stress or whatever around
construction, you're qualified, which I don't
441
00:22:57,509 --> 00:23:01,269
know any family that's been in construction
that hasn't had somebody that's working late
442
00:23:01,269 --> 00:23:06,445
nights or on the road, bringing stress home,
whatever that looks like, showed up with an
443
00:23:06,445 --> 00:23:11,164
addiction that they maybe picked up after after
hanging out with the boys after work or girls.
444
00:23:11,164 --> 00:23:13,485
So it really it's pretty much open to anyone.
445
00:23:13,485 --> 00:23:15,404
We're going to run through a nomination
process.
446
00:23:15,404 --> 00:23:20,100
We're going to pick people that are ready to do
the work and have reached a point where they
447
00:23:20,100 --> 00:23:24,259
feel like us, they know they want something
different, and they know that they're ready.
448
00:23:24,259 --> 00:23:26,579
They're just not 100% sure what that is.
449
00:23:26,740 --> 00:23:27,860
We're going to fly them out.
450
00:23:27,860 --> 00:23:29,299
So all expenses paid.
451
00:23:29,299 --> 00:23:31,460
We'll fly them out to Aspen, Colorado.
452
00:23:32,394 --> 00:23:37,434
They'll take the drive up to Bayoule, which is
the resort that we're hosting the retreat at.
453
00:23:37,434 --> 00:23:42,795
An incredible place up at the mouth of the
Frying Pan River, which is like blue ribbon fly
454
00:23:42,795 --> 00:23:44,875
fishing, one of the best places in the country
for that.
455
00:23:46,079 --> 00:23:51,999
And then we're going to, you know, have them go
through a five day process of healing and
456
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:57,440
really in a regimented way that lets them
instill the practices that when they leave,
457
00:23:57,815 --> 00:24:00,054
they go home with tools that they need.
458
00:24:00,054 --> 00:24:03,654
Even if they do, 20% of it will completely
transform their lives.
459
00:24:03,654 --> 00:24:05,174
But we don't want to stop there.
460
00:24:05,174 --> 00:24:07,335
So, we're going to follow them for the next two
years.
461
00:24:07,335 --> 00:24:09,654
We're going to check-in on them, make sure we
know how they're doing.
462
00:24:09,829 --> 00:24:14,390
We're building that tribe of folks that can be
a peer support network for the families that
463
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:15,190
are there.
464
00:24:15,670 --> 00:24:18,869
And then for the next two years, we're just
going to make sure that they're doing okay,
465
00:24:18,869 --> 00:24:21,829
that that flywheel is spinning, that if they
need support, they have it.
466
00:24:22,275 --> 00:24:28,595
And then one family each year will be invited
back to be the like mentorship lead for the
467
00:24:28,595 --> 00:24:29,234
next year.
468
00:24:29,234 --> 00:24:33,555
So, you know, again, we pay it forward, we find
somebody that's really taking to the work that
469
00:24:33,555 --> 00:24:38,069
wants to give back, And then they come back the
following year and just model the sort of
470
00:24:38,069 --> 00:24:40,789
recovery and transformation that we're looking
to do.
471
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:45,029
And then we'll just continue that process with
as many retreats as we can fund.
472
00:24:45,029 --> 00:24:45,829
Know what I mean?
473
00:24:46,150 --> 00:24:46,390
Yeah.
474
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:46,789
No, no.
475
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:47,029
Okay.
476
00:24:48,204 --> 00:24:48,924
That's awesome.
477
00:24:48,924 --> 00:24:50,124
That's amazing.
478
00:24:51,964 --> 00:24:54,284
When is this tentatively happening?
479
00:24:54,284 --> 00:24:55,484
Or when is it actually happening?
480
00:24:55,644 --> 00:24:57,565
It'll be the last week in June.
481
00:24:57,565 --> 00:24:59,244
So June 2026.
482
00:24:59,244 --> 00:25:04,140
So we're heavily looking to make sure that we
have the funding in place to do that.
483
00:25:04,140 --> 00:25:09,420
And so, you'll see that at the end of year, our
fundraising campaign to pay for everything is
484
00:25:09,420 --> 00:25:11,019
what we're focused on right now.
485
00:25:11,099 --> 00:25:12,700
We have a lot of great information.
486
00:25:12,859 --> 00:25:14,700
But, you know, we're not just looking for
money.
487
00:25:14,775 --> 00:25:16,214
We're looking for friends.
488
00:25:16,214 --> 00:25:17,654
We're looking for advocates.
489
00:25:17,654 --> 00:25:23,414
We're looking for anyone who believes that
healing the family can help our industry and
490
00:25:23,414 --> 00:25:25,734
save lives and then also help our businesses.
491
00:25:25,734 --> 00:25:26,455
And they see that.
492
00:25:26,455 --> 00:25:32,330
So, for your listeners, what I would say is if
you feel called to this in any way, reach out
493
00:25:32,330 --> 00:25:32,730
to me.
494
00:25:32,730 --> 00:25:36,650
We can find a way for you to help, whether
that's volunteering, whether that's sponsoring.
495
00:25:36,890 --> 00:25:41,049
You know, there's a million ways that you can
get involved, whether it's just sharing the
496
00:25:41,049 --> 00:25:43,210
message on your social media, whatever that
looks like.
497
00:25:44,005 --> 00:25:44,644
Yeah.
498
00:25:46,005 --> 00:25:46,804
That's awesome.
499
00:25:46,804 --> 00:25:47,284
Okay.
500
00:25:47,605 --> 00:25:50,565
So what else are you building if that's not
enough?
501
00:25:51,365 --> 00:25:51,924
Right.
502
00:25:51,924 --> 00:25:54,804
Well, so you know, you're here in Arizona,
right?
503
00:25:54,804 --> 00:25:57,659
I met a guy, actually it's funny story.
504
00:25:57,659 --> 00:26:00,700
So my son goes to golf, like golf school.
505
00:26:00,700 --> 00:26:05,339
And one of the kids that he goes to golf school
with, great kid, his dad is, I think the chief
506
00:26:05,339 --> 00:26:08,220
of police or captain at Queen Creek Police
Department.
507
00:26:08,220 --> 00:26:14,244
Anyway, I went to go pick up Evan from his
buddy's house and walked inside, met mom, and
508
00:26:14,244 --> 00:26:16,005
started talking about the nonprofit.
509
00:26:16,005 --> 00:26:18,644
She was like, you know, you need to meet my
friend Rich.
510
00:26:18,805 --> 00:26:22,485
He's this incredible guy and he does stuff like
what you're talking about.
511
00:26:22,485 --> 00:26:28,690
So I met Rich Ganley, who is a philanthropist,
10 times successful businessman.
512
00:26:28,690 --> 00:26:32,289
He said he retired at like 40 because he sold
his company.
513
00:26:32,369 --> 00:26:35,890
And then really everything that he's done since
then is things that can help out people in the
514
00:26:35,890 --> 00:26:36,210
community.
515
00:26:36,525 --> 00:26:38,445
So, amazing guy.
516
00:26:38,445 --> 00:26:40,924
Well, he started this thing called the Recharge
Room.
517
00:26:40,924 --> 00:26:45,164
And the Recharge Room is in fire departments
and police departments all over the state.
518
00:26:45,164 --> 00:26:47,565
They're moving into education and hospitality
now.
519
00:26:47,805 --> 00:26:50,650
But it's the physiological reduction trauma.
520
00:26:50,650 --> 00:26:56,490
So, think about like red light therapy,
grounding, vagus nerve stimulation, cold plunge
521
00:26:56,490 --> 00:26:59,210
and infrared sauna in a thirty three minute
circuit.
522
00:26:59,210 --> 00:27:04,970
And what they've discovered is that just
handling that physiological piece of trauma
523
00:27:04,970 --> 00:27:11,605
reduction is incredibly transformative for the
police and firefighters that go through that
524
00:27:11,605 --> 00:27:12,404
process, right?
525
00:27:12,404 --> 00:27:17,684
And I think the city of Chandler, just this
month, released a study that said they spent
526
00:27:17,684 --> 00:27:22,880
$40,000 on a recharge room, and last year, they
saved $700,000 turnover.
527
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:23,759
Just turnover.
528
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:24,799
So, yeah.
529
00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:28,400
And now we have the police officers after a
stop.
530
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,519
They have a stressful interaction with somebody
in the public.
531
00:27:31,519 --> 00:27:35,705
They're sitting in their car and using the
vagus nerve stimulator to actually lower their
532
00:27:35,705 --> 00:27:40,825
blood pressure and lower their stress level
before they go on their next stop.
533
00:27:40,825 --> 00:27:42,825
And then their incident rates are falling.
534
00:27:42,825 --> 00:27:47,144
So we're starting to see how those
physiological interventions that athletes and
535
00:27:47,144 --> 00:27:51,880
the Gary Breckas and Hubermans of the world
have been talking about for a long time, we can
536
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:56,279
actually insert those into the workplace and be
able to do a lot of good there.
537
00:27:56,919 --> 00:27:59,879
I thought, okay, that makes a lot of sense for
construction.
538
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:04,359
We may not be able to do a cold plunge on a job
site because obviously we're dirty and filthy,
539
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,095
but, we can do those other things.
540
00:28:06,095 --> 00:28:08,974
So he came up with a shorter version.
541
00:28:08,974 --> 00:28:13,375
It's like ten minutes with no cold plunge or
sauna, but it does the same thing, right?
542
00:28:13,375 --> 00:28:14,335
It lowers stress.
543
00:28:14,335 --> 00:28:15,694
It lowers your heart rate.
544
00:28:15,694 --> 00:28:18,414
It gets your variable heart rate up, which is a
good thing.
545
00:28:18,820 --> 00:28:23,859
And then, you know, like just using
physiological interventions to start helping
546
00:28:23,859 --> 00:28:28,019
the people that we should be treating as
athletes, our construction folks, and to
547
00:28:28,019 --> 00:28:29,619
becoming better humans, right?
548
00:28:29,619 --> 00:28:35,015
And being able to weather the storm of Phoenix
summer when you're working twelve hour days,
549
00:28:35,015 --> 00:28:35,974
six days a week.
550
00:28:35,974 --> 00:28:41,335
So, he and I got together and we've started
basically a peak performance hub is what we're
551
00:28:41,335 --> 00:28:41,815
calling them.
552
00:28:41,815 --> 00:28:43,815
So, you can put this on your job site.
553
00:28:44,009 --> 00:28:49,049
You'll have the physiological portion, but then
you'll also have, you know, peer support and
554
00:28:49,289 --> 00:28:52,650
the mental health support that we're talking
about through Project Built.
555
00:28:52,650 --> 00:28:56,490
So, we've formed a joint venture to kind of
combine those two efforts.
556
00:28:56,765 --> 00:29:01,085
And then we'll show that huge ROI on doing the
wellness stuff.
557
00:29:01,085 --> 00:29:06,125
But we also let companies kind of be hands off
so they don't have to create the program.
558
00:29:06,125 --> 00:29:07,565
They don't have to train their people.
559
00:29:07,565 --> 00:29:10,125
It's something that's ready to go that they can
plug in today.
560
00:29:10,410 --> 00:29:15,529
And by Monday of next week, they're gonna start
seeing the results of that.
561
00:29:15,769 --> 00:29:16,250
Wow.
562
00:29:16,250 --> 00:29:16,650
Okay.
563
00:29:16,650 --> 00:29:21,769
So, and that's essentially ready to be brought
to a job site today.
564
00:29:21,769 --> 00:29:22,330
Is that accurate?
565
00:29:22,744 --> 00:29:27,465
We're looking to find a few companies that are
ready to pilot that for us so that we can, you
566
00:29:27,465 --> 00:29:29,545
know, study the statistical data.
567
00:29:29,545 --> 00:29:33,305
We've got a few companies that are like on the
hook that have said that they want to.
568
00:29:33,305 --> 00:29:37,305
So we're just developing everything and
figuring out what's gonna work best for those
569
00:29:37,305 --> 00:29:37,625
locations.
570
00:29:38,019 --> 00:29:38,980
But we need more.
571
00:29:38,980 --> 00:29:43,779
So the more people we can have pilot this, the
more, you know, data sets we have, the better
572
00:29:43,779 --> 00:29:47,859
our data will be and, you know, then we'll
really understand what works and what doesn't.
573
00:29:48,179 --> 00:29:48,500
No.
574
00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:48,740
Okay.
575
00:29:48,740 --> 00:29:55,184
I love the fact that you're actually using data
because to back to my mister Burns analogy,
576
00:29:55,184 --> 00:30:01,744
data is key in these things to make, make,
believers out of others, essentially.
577
00:30:02,144 --> 00:30:02,464
Yeah.
578
00:30:03,079 --> 00:30:08,519
We're working with your friends over at the
Deli Webb School at Arizona State University,
579
00:30:08,519 --> 00:30:09,079
Doctor.
580
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:15,914
Soo Yuan Song, who is she's an award winning
professor out of University of Alabama, and now
581
00:30:15,914 --> 00:30:21,115
she's there doing some incredible work into
like heat illness prevention and some wearable
582
00:30:21,115 --> 00:30:21,674
devices.
583
00:30:21,674 --> 00:30:25,275
But yeah, we're going to bring her grad
students right out to the job site and let them
584
00:30:25,275 --> 00:30:30,075
have a lab where they can be interacting with
real construction workers and try to bridge
585
00:30:30,075 --> 00:30:30,715
that gap too.
586
00:30:31,309 --> 00:30:31,789
Wow.
587
00:30:31,789 --> 00:30:32,429
I love that.
588
00:30:32,429 --> 00:30:33,309
That's amazing.
589
00:30:33,309 --> 00:30:37,230
In addition to them, you know, being sun
devils, which I inherently love, I love the
590
00:30:37,230 --> 00:30:42,190
fact that they're actually going into the field
and saying like, hey, let's have a straight lab
591
00:30:42,190 --> 00:30:43,869
here and and figure this out.
592
00:30:44,509 --> 00:30:44,990
That's awesome.
593
00:30:45,075 --> 00:30:47,875
So, you got a ton of, what is it, pokers in the
fire?
594
00:30:47,875 --> 00:30:49,394
Is that what they that's how they say it, I
think.
595
00:30:49,394 --> 00:30:50,274
You got lots Yeah.
596
00:30:49,954 --> 00:30:52,115
Stuff going Something.
597
00:30:52,115 --> 00:30:53,075
They say something.
598
00:30:53,075 --> 00:30:53,554
Awesome.
599
00:30:53,634 --> 00:30:54,274
Anything else?
600
00:30:54,274 --> 00:30:57,154
Anything else that you'd like to share of
what's happening?
601
00:30:57,154 --> 00:30:57,794
Yeah.
602
00:30:57,794 --> 00:31:03,819
You know, I think, well, I mean, obviously,
Construction Suicide Prevention Week was just
603
00:31:03,819 --> 00:31:04,619
last month.
604
00:31:04,619 --> 00:31:07,660
So, I'm the 2025 chair of that.
605
00:31:07,660 --> 00:31:10,460
So, I just want to thank everybody that was out
there doing work.
606
00:31:10,460 --> 00:31:13,339
I'm sure some people that will be listening to
this participated.
607
00:31:13,744 --> 00:31:14,785
So, that was huge.
608
00:31:14,785 --> 00:31:19,424
You know, awareness, it's still baffling to me
that we're not aware of that.
609
00:31:19,424 --> 00:31:22,625
But that's where I was in 2021 when I
discovered it.
610
00:31:22,625 --> 00:31:26,384
And we still have a lot of work to do as far as
the awareness piece goes.
611
00:31:26,384 --> 00:31:32,990
So, you know, just committing to one week a
year in September, focusing on suicide
612
00:31:32,990 --> 00:31:37,309
prevention and awareness is a huge way that you
can get your company started.
613
00:31:37,549 --> 00:31:38,750
That's all free to do.
614
00:31:38,750 --> 00:31:43,904
So, constructionsuicideprevention.com is the
website where you can register your company.
615
00:31:44,144 --> 00:31:48,704
And we have all sorts of webinars throughout
the year that help you get informed.
616
00:31:49,265 --> 00:31:51,345
There's lots of great resources available
there.
617
00:31:51,539 --> 00:31:53,460
There's a speaker sourcing guide.
618
00:31:53,460 --> 00:31:57,380
So, if you're looking for somebody to do your
year end, to talk about mental health or
619
00:31:57,380 --> 00:32:01,140
suicide prevention, you know, quarterly
meetings, we can do virtual meetings.
620
00:32:01,140 --> 00:32:06,820
So, there's all sorts of ways that you can get
started in the process of informing your folks
621
00:32:06,984 --> 00:32:08,345
or the executive team.
622
00:32:08,345 --> 00:32:12,585
You know, if that's doing a retreat for the
executive team to get aligned on what it looks
623
00:32:12,585 --> 00:32:18,505
like to transform your culture and, you know,
how to do a strategic plan, there's a ton of
624
00:32:18,505 --> 00:32:19,704
ways to go about it.
625
00:32:20,585 --> 00:32:24,890
And, you know, if you have any questions or if
your listeners have any questions, I'm happy to
626
00:32:24,890 --> 00:32:29,369
pro bono, just walk them through what's
available because, know, my whole life is
627
00:32:29,369 --> 00:32:33,049
absorbed with finding the right people and
making sure they're doing the right thing.
628
00:32:33,210 --> 00:32:39,924
Tiffany Sharp, who's a GC owner here in Phoenix
has the saying the right people doing the right
629
00:32:39,924 --> 00:32:41,284
things at the right time.
630
00:32:41,285 --> 00:32:41,684
Right.
631
00:32:41,605 --> 00:32:43,204
That's, that's it.
632
00:32:43,204 --> 00:32:44,164
So I love that.
633
00:32:44,164 --> 00:32:45,285
This has been a ton of fun.
634
00:32:45,285 --> 00:32:48,244
If somebody wanted to get ahold of you, what's
the best way for them to actually do that?
635
00:32:48,980 --> 00:32:54,099
Well, I will, I'll share my Linktree with you
and we can drop it in the show notes if that's
636
00:32:54,099 --> 00:32:54,500
cool.
637
00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:59,539
The best, the best way to do it also is to go
to, you know, getbuilt.org, contact us.
638
00:32:59,539 --> 00:33:02,174
I'm the guy, you know, right now it's, it's me
and Amy.
639
00:33:02,174 --> 00:33:03,294
We don't have a staff.
640
00:33:03,294 --> 00:33:04,095
We're doing it all.
641
00:33:04,095 --> 00:33:07,294
So, you know, when you email or call, you're
going to talk to me.
642
00:33:07,294 --> 00:33:09,294
And so I'm available whenever, right?
643
00:33:09,294 --> 00:33:13,615
And luckily, you know, through my work, I've
figured out how to have boundaries.
644
00:33:13,615 --> 00:33:18,349
So I do, you know, I take some family time and
I take some time for myself to meditate and
645
00:33:18,349 --> 00:33:18,909
journal.
646
00:33:19,149 --> 00:33:23,549
But ultimately, this is my life and this is
what I'm here to do is help, help people and
647
00:33:23,549 --> 00:33:24,269
companies.
648
00:33:24,269 --> 00:33:25,869
So I'm here for that, you know.
649
00:33:25,869 --> 00:33:30,075
And if there's any way that I can help you or
any of your listeners, I'm I'm absolutely
650
00:33:30,075 --> 00:33:31,274
available for that.
651
00:33:31,914 --> 00:33:32,555
I love it.
652
00:33:32,555 --> 00:33:37,514
I love, those that find purpose as as you know,
and we've had many conversations about that.
653
00:33:38,315 --> 00:33:39,194
It's a beautiful thing.
654
00:33:39,194 --> 00:33:41,674
So, this has been a ton of fun.
655
00:33:41,674 --> 00:33:46,299
I had a I had a really good time just getting
to share just more time with you as well as
656
00:33:46,299 --> 00:33:51,740
just with the listeners and see how we can just
help the industry grow and and become better.
657
00:33:51,740 --> 00:33:52,299
So yeah.
658
00:33:52,299 --> 00:33:54,539
Anything else you wanna add before we say our
goodbyes?
659
00:33:55,420 --> 00:33:55,980
No.
660
00:33:55,980 --> 00:33:58,059
I would just say, you know, be good to
yourself.
661
00:33:58,059 --> 00:33:58,220
Right?
662
00:33:58,365 --> 00:34:01,164
Stay strong, you know, wherever you're at.
663
00:34:01,164 --> 00:34:07,884
You know, I just spoke with someone today that
was struggling with addiction and really, you
664
00:34:07,884 --> 00:34:12,125
know, giving yourself permission to be right
where you're at is the one piece of advice that
665
00:34:12,179 --> 00:34:16,099
I wish I could give myself ten years ago, and
maybe I need to give myself today.
666
00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:19,059
It's, you know, right where you're at is
totally fine.
667
00:34:19,219 --> 00:34:20,339
And you're doing the thing.
668
00:34:20,339 --> 00:34:22,659
We're all here doing that human thing.
669
00:34:23,139 --> 00:34:25,699
The more we can be here for each other, the
better we'll all be off.
670
00:34:26,235 --> 00:34:27,994
Better off we'll all be.
671
00:34:28,155 --> 00:34:32,075
That's the, when's the best time to plant a
tree twenty years ago?
672
00:34:32,235 --> 00:34:34,235
When's the second best time today?
673
00:34:34,235 --> 00:34:34,474
Right?
674
00:34:34,474 --> 00:34:36,394
So it's just, the reality of it.
675
00:34:36,394 --> 00:34:36,635
Yeah.
676
00:34:36,875 --> 00:34:38,315
Listeners, it's been a ton of fun.
677
00:34:38,315 --> 00:34:43,170
Please reach out to Josh, with any questions,
comments, concerns, and if you just need
678
00:34:43,170 --> 00:34:47,090
somebody to to chat with about strategy of of
wellness in the workplace.
679
00:34:47,090 --> 00:34:49,409
And until next time, adios.
680
00:34:49,409 --> 00:34:51,329
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00:34:51,329 --> 00:34:57,204
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00:34:58,324 --> 00:35:03,844
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00:35:04,565 --> 00:35:10,565
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