Fake Apparitions, Ecumenical Breakdown, and another new DDF Nightmare Coming

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I Think I knew there's a chick swinging an axe he knew.
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Have 911 on ready, do you?
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guys hear me.
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We hear you, but we don't see you.
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There we go.
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I don't like this Okay.
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Yeah, that doesn't look right about me in that quote man welcome back.
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First show since the Mel interview huge Mel.
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I know.
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Congratulations on that.
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That was pretty epic.
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It was fun.
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Yeah, what we're going to do, all right, so first of, we got locals back.
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So what we're going to do is we're gonna discuss a little behind the scenes of the Mel interview and we're gonna get into why Nicholas Kovacos decided to declare war on his good friends.
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Flames everywhere.
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He's.
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I'm driving at work today and all of a sudden I see why one, Peter five and Tim's planters are wrong and I'm like, oh no.
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I was like it was.
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I guess Nick doesn't have to wake up, so wake up so early on Mondays anymore.
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Landon's a really good sport, though like he'll accept any kind of.
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I mean, it wasn't like you insulted him, you were critiquing his position and Tim, if there's anybody that is like good for that, it's Tim.
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He's like totally.
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And every time Nick would say something about like Tim possibly being wrong about something, it was always followed up.
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But Tim's like Tim's the best guy.
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He's a great, great.
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You gotta give the qualifier, all right.
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So what we're also gonna do is First of hit like subscribe.
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I don't know like the weird thing with notification bells is if you hit notification bell on one video, you get them for every single subscription you have, I think.
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So that's pretty obnoxious.
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Yeah, I don't think you could just hit the notification bell on one channel.
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But what we're gonna do is if you join our locals, we will give you guys a link to the telegram.
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Like we had to cut it down To only giving the telegram to people that are subscribers on locals, because there's getting a little hectic in there and I See people getting thrown out last week.
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Yep, we let yesterday even oh.
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I didn't see that.
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But, joe, we let Joe Diadati run the telegram.
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So if you get booted, I don't want to love.
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I love how you just Know Joe Diadati has completed that.
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He could boot me if he wants, like he has that much authority over the telegram.
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He boots both of you to, makes it his own chat.
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Telegram was one of the admins did try to boot you in a dental at the man to me Because I wasn't checking in enough.
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I was on vacation.
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You guys got to be kidding me, I think.
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I want to touch on Cabrini for a second before we get into the main headlines.
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Love all.
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Just two days ago you were texting.
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I hope we don't get pulled into this argument about this movie.
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Well, something weird was happening because people somebody from our telegram was posting screenshots of the promotional material and like in the promotional material it was saying like talking about Cabrini, mother Cabrini being a feminist icon and things like that, and it had our telegram logo in the screenshot and I know who it was.
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They reached out to me like I'm so sorry, they like it wasn't intentional, but every one of the screenshots like Tim Gordon is sharing on Twitter has my face on it.
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Oh my god, you're face photoshopped under the body of Larry the cable guy.
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Yeah, specific.
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It's from our, our blue color eschatology thing, but I've been thinking about it.
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I haven't seen the movie yet, but the more I think about it, the more I think out.
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Like, even my slight criticism is being too harsh because, dude, if you think about what we're doing in the faith in film series, we're, we're like reviewing secular movies and showing how they're good, and then I'm trashing Cabrini and it's it's, it's really a.
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I'm putting a standard on this movie that I don't think I should be putting, because it's not being presented as a Catholic film, it's being presented as a secular movie about this woman, right, which is telling kind of the problem though.
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Yeah, that's what I would think, because it's like if Is it so, is the?
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Is it made by a Catholic company, the?
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movie.
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It's made by Mormons.
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It's, but the director is Catholic.
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Oh, I'm just trying to give it.
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Well, I haven't seen it, so I don't want to be unfair before I've even seen it right and I'm going just, I'm going just based on the promotional material.
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And the promotional material is like released on International Women's Day and it's got all I think you know what I mean.
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Like it's got all this stuff and my fear is be okay.
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So you have to understand, as a New York Italian, like my great-grandparents migrated to America in 1912, right, it was like 13 year.
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Great-grandfather was 13 years old.
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He comes here by himself.
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My great-grandmother comes here, same thing, like he's born in 1899 and he lives to 1996.
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So I knew my great-grandfather, it's not like I didn't know him.
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So mother Cabrini, to a New York Italian, she, she really does hold a lot of Just love, you know, and my fear was having that, that love for her, kind of crushed by a Secular image of her.
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And from the reviews I was hearing, I was hearing both Kinds.
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I was some people were just saying like this movie movie is beautiful, it's like an epic movie.
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But then I was healing hearing from certain Catholics saying it's not presented as a woman of deep prayer and a woman who does things for love of God.
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It's presented more of like a social justice thing, right yeah?
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And that's what I was hearing.
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Yeah, why are you next?
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Next they'll just do a movie on Dorothy Day.
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There already is one.
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It's called entertaining angels.
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I meant the same people.
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But it's.
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There's a movie and I didn't like the entertaining angels whatsoever.
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You know it's a pretty terrible movie, but I'm what?
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Like dude, we're about to review the mission and the mission is about the Jesuits in, you know, in the Middle Ages, like in like the 17th or 18th century, but it's a secular movie.
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So I have like this particular lens where I'm looking at it from a secular point of view and trying to bring out the good things in this movie, where Rini is about a saint and I'm like I'm wondering if a lot of people are holding back criticism because of Relationships, right, like there's, like they know the producer, they know the, you know.
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I'm wondering if that's why there's a lack of criticism, especially from trads, because trads are usually the ones to jump all over this stuff and I see them holding back and I just don't know.
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I haven't seen it yet, but I think I do want to see it.
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Is it made by that angel studios group?
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Yeah, okay so well they.
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They are the distributors.
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They didn't make it the the the director is Catholic, so you know, I mean, I'm just, I'm just been born here.
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I don't, I don't want to trash something that I haven't seen yet.
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I was judging it based on the promotional material.
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It was just like it was a strange way to promote this movie, like International Woman's Day, this, this, this feminist story, this woman who will take no guff from the, from the Sexist of her day, and it was just a strange way to promote the movie.
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I don't know, like I don't know who they were going for.
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Were they just going for a mainstream audience and Presuming the Catholics would just go see it?
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So this is someone who you know, a Protestant, here.
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This is what they took away from it.
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That it was about a woman being a girl boss with the church against.
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Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of, you know.
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So I, I don't know.
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I hope I'm going to see it.
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I wasn't going to at first but I think I am going to see it, you know it's.
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It's one of those, one of those things where it's you keep you, if you're you have you have to not worry about who's going to be upset.
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But so Tim Gordon critiqued the crap out of it and the producer from the film, leo I forgot his last name, cold Tim like had a conversation with him and like they had like a like a real conversation about like some of Tim's criticisms and stuff, said it was a productive conversation.
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So you know she's.
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She's not a saint that I have a devotion to myself.
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They're just.
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Yeah, well, just because they don't exist.
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But no, there's just nothing in the promotional material that, like it's, made me want to see it I so I just don't think.
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You know, I have no interest in seeing it.
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Yeah, it won't be a film that we review on on faith in film.
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It won't be.
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Yeah, I had seen some promotional material and I'd had some people asked if I'd watched.
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I haven't seen it yet, I don't even know if I really will.
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But I have had a few people reach out to me and basically tell me the same thing that Tyler said in the comment that it's kind of more of a quasi feminist girl boss takes on Especially like corrupt leaders in the church that are holding her back.
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And that's the thing it's like.
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Okay, if this is made by other denominations, sometimes you have to put on like the cap of another Denomination to kind of get and see like okay, where are they at in this whole cultural movement?
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And then what could they do, even with one of our saints in their films?
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And even you know the Mormons for how conservative they are in many ways.
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You know there they still have their fair share of.
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You know societal liberalism, especially.
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You know when, for instance, classic example, the chosen right yeah it's.
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You know it's made by an evangelical with the help of a bunch of Mormons, right.
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But the thing is, since I was a former evangelical, I see his writing of current evangelicalism all over it.
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And so what he does is the cringey part of the show it's so, and so what makes me so frustrated is that, like when?
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So when Christ goes to task Right, takes the Pharisees to task right, that's obviously a good thing, but the way that he'll throw in these lines and throw in these in you windows that are not in scripture, and it's basically the really cheesy moniker of you know, it's not a religion, man, it's a relationship and you see this reading.
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I need you guys to help me with my ministry, with my ministry, like a minister, it's just such a strange.
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It's weird stuff and it's like you just see him like bashing, he'll see, he'll seem to bash the Pharisees.
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But what they're doing, I think, in that film is that they'll take the Pharisees and they just substitute Religion like organized religion, like clerical hierarchy for organized religion.
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Let's just beat down this dead horse, because to them they see this like Imblem, as a stumbling block for conversions of people.
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But the problem is that phrase.
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You know, it's not a religion, it's a relationship.
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Aside from the fact that that's a dumb phrase, because the word religion literally means a relation to Supreme being, it's also, I would say it fuels atheistic tendencies, and this is what I'm afraid of in this film Is, at least it's going to fuel feminist tendencies of you know, hey, you know, the man's against you.
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We got to smash the patriarchy and especially if they're emphasizing the corporal works of mercy above the spiritual, that's the classic thing.
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All left to do.
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Yeah, listen, mother Cabrini, like the real mother Cabrini had a devotion to the Sacred Heart, right, she had.
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She's just, her whole Orphanage was the Sacred Heart orphanage.
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Like this woman was motivated by love of God.
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Yeah, I'm sure she.
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Look, we all know there are corrupt hierarchy who don't want things happening and I'm sure there was a little resistance there and there was issues that went on there.
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It's just the way they're presenting it that I don't look.
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It is a rough one to judge without having seen it.
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The one thing I want to touch on is this so I've been meaning to see for greater glory, but even that I've heard described as good for a Catholic movie.
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I will say for greater glory is good, phenomenal movie.
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It's not as good as, like you know, the older classics, like some of the you know, like man for all season, the Beckett and things like that, but it's, it's still a good movie for greater glory is a good secular movie and a good Catholic movie.
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Like it gets it is just an all-around Good movie, great acting in a great production and it is faithful to the story it ends show talking about the canonization of certain people in it.
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The only problem I have with the movie is it doesn't actually portray how much of a bad guy the United States was in it.
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Oh yeah, yeah, that might be the.
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It's one flaw.
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It almost makes the.
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It makes the US seem kind of like, and it's because I think the Knights of Columbus helped fund it and of course they're very Americanist, so they weren't very honest about the US role.
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What's the movie about?
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I don't think I've ever heard of this greater glory.
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Oh, is it so?
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Was this the movie about the Cristillus that was made like 20 years ago or something like?
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that.
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Okay, cool.
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Yeah, the one in recent time.
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I've seen some like clips of it online, but I never knew that that's what it was called, okay worth watching.
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I think we should, I mean we definitely have to do that one in the faith and film series that is.
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I mean that's him one of my top three favorite movies.
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It's just wow, it's Top five for sure.
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I mean, it's just so well done and if we do it we should see if we can get.
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Well, I know Jason or Mark love that movie too, but Louise Medina yeah, that's right.
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Yeah he would be a great.
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So we're doing.
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The next one we're doing is the mission, and I have Dan Burke coming on, oh cool, yeah, so Dan Burke, because it was in Tim's telegram that that movie came up, and Me and Dan Burke were different because a lot of people like there's, there's a little bit of Liberation theology in it.
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I, there definitely is like there's definitely like certain thing, but I almost think that that will be a good discussion point, sure yeah.
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You play a way to like talk to people about liberation theology a lot of people have have no idea what it is.
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So that right good yeah so like it'll be a good opportunity to talk about why this is actually twisting it a little bit.
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You shouldn't do this, and I think it'll make for a very, very good conversation.
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Yeah, it's about St Miguel Pro.
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They not only do they portray him, they portray his martyrdom in an amazing way, like they cut his heels off and he's oh man, it's.
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It's so phenomenal that movie like, and it just just one good actor after another.
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It is honestly like we have to do that movie in that series.
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All right, so we got stories to touch on.
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What stories do we want to do?
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First, let me just see.
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We got All right.
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So Chicago watch dicey's cut government contracts and reducing staff.
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Surprise, you guys didn't talk about the state of the Union.
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But we'll lose gonna watch it.
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We'll lose like half the audience once we start talking more about politics.
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I honestly have.
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I will pick back up into political interests as the as the Presidential race heats up, but right now it's just a strange thing.
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Yeah, I was gonna say the movie.
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Oh see, how's the lead.
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Oh yeah, yeah, I'm a good trade, we'll go.
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Yeah Was a oh yeah, yeah.
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So, like Nick, I'll definitely want to have conversations with you about politics as we get, because you are way more in tune with it.
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I almost man.
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It's just a strange Time for me because I used to love listening to political conversations and I just don't Care right now, like I, just I, I'm trying to figure out what they're going to do To cheat in this, in this next one, like that's all.
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That's all I'm waiting for.
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I'm waiting to see.
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Are they going to hit us with a cyber pandemic?
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Are they going to?
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What are they going to do to rig the next one like they did the last one?
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Yeah, no, it should be interesting.
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It's gonna be fun.
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It's gonna be the fight, it's gonna be big you guys think Biden makes it to the election.
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Do you think they allow?
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that, oh yeah, no, he's gonna.
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He's gonna, he's gonna be nominee, he's going to, he's gonna make it and I think Trump's gonna win.
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All right.
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So what should we go is should we go with the fake apparition story?
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Yeah, I think yeah, there All right.
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So Bishop rules on supposed apparitions of the Virgin Mary in Italy.
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After an investigation by a group of experts, fervent prayer and attentive discernment, and Italian Bishop has decreed that the alleged Apparitions of the Virgin Mary in Trevigniano Romano, a town of about 30 town about 30 miles northwest of Rome, are not supernatural.
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Statement issued March 6 by the diocese of Civita Castellana.
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Explain that the Bishop of Civita Castellana, marco Salvi, after an appropriate period of careful discernment, having listened to the testimonies coming from the diocesan territory and making use of a commission of experts made up of a Mariologist, a theologian, a canonist, psychologist, and with the outside advice of some specialists, have considered the figure of Mary in the Tradition of the church and in the living faith of the people of God.
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If the fervent prayer decrees, the events of the Virgin Mary in the church are the events of the Virgin Mary, the events in question to be non supernatural.
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So here, this is what happens.
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These are the events.
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Salvi's decree states that the events occurred in 2016, when Gisela, cardia, nima, ria, giuseppe oh my gosh.
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Giuseppe Scarpula.
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Hey, these are your supposed people.
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I know, I mean, I get pronounced.
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How many names does a person actually need?
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You fucking Italians, man.
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I reported alleged apparitions of the Virgin Mary, jesus and God the father, which, oh man, that's strange writing itself Uh don't these Italians know?
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you guys are supposed to just be named Frankie Tony Dom.
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Funny, that's.
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That's you and your brothers, isn't it?
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I have, it's my brother Frankie, joey, dom Mike.
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Those are my four brothers Joey Mikey, dom Frankie.
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Um, all right, so, uh, she had.
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She had vision apparitions of the Virgin Mary, jesus and God the father has.
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Have there been many apparitions of God the father?
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Like I, I don't think that's possible.
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There's.
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There's been a few Um, but I think they've been mainly in the context of more things in the background.
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So, like I remember sister Lucia and her discussions about her apparitions, especially the apparitions that she saw later in life After the events of adama, she would talk about how, you know, our lady in christ would appear, but then in the very background she would see the glory of god, the father, and maybe st Joseph or something like that, or and maybe another saint.
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So, but it's not, it's not Unheard of yeah, okay, shh, wait where we go?
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Okay.
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So these events reportedly began after cardia and her husband, gianni, brought back an image of our lady of peace from Mechagoria.
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That's a red flag there in 2014.
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According to cardia, the image not only weeps blood, but also multiplies food, and a message is given on the third day of each month.
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This happens on the 25th, with the visionaries and the supposed apparitions of the virgin mechagoria.
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Cardia, who created a nonprofit association that accepts donations and whose chapel was closed by the Trevignano city government, has brought together numerous faithful and priests for prayer meetings, even though the church did not authorize them.
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All of this, which later became known as the Trevignano events, gained notoriety in 2023, the year in which salvi was installed as bishop um.
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On april 14th, the bishop published a statement asking the faithful not to attend the events cardia was holding.
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In addition, the chavita Chavita vechia Prosecutors office Opened an investigation for fraud against cardia and her husband that same year, and the mayor of the town ordered the demolition of the chapel where her followers were meeting here.
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Theological errors in the apparitions.
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In his decree, the italian prelate Explain that the message, the messages of the supposed marion apparitions, contain numerous theological errors.
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He prohibited priests from celebrating the sacraments or leading events of popular piety that connect directly or indirectly with the events of trevignano romano, whether on the grounds of the Madonna, the, the Trevignano, its association, or in other private, public and ecclesial places.
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There's a creos of prohibits priests from going to the place.
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Okay so, um, this is a.
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This is a weird thing.
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Well, I'll go back to the story in a minute, but this is a weird thing when people are just apparition hungry, right, like there's.
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There's a weird one over by me, our lady of bayside, that, like they're, they've caught in so many shenanigans and weird things like that.
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You have to be Super careful of these things, man, like I don't.
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That's why I'm weary of the charismatic movement a little bit.
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You know, like you even see the stuff going on with daniel o' counter and um and father maud'sley right now, and I love both those guys, right.
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So I'm kind of sitting back just like, uh, I don't even want to get involved in this, but you can see, daniel has such a devotion to this private revelation that it's what I know.
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Daniel credits his mother's healing to the, the divine will, uh, devotion.
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So I don't, I don't even want to speak.
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I don't know anything about the divine will devotion so I don't want to speak out of turn.
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I just know that, um, having Like an attachments to private devotions gets gets a little crazy sometimes.
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You know I can get a little hairy for sure.
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And that's the thing I think a lot of catholics don't know, even like the steps of discernment when it comes to private revelation.
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And it's actually pretty cool in all of the churches Manuals that cover the subject of divine revelation, so it's just called the course de revelazione.
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It's a really simple formula.
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It's just step one.
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If someone says that there's a revelation going on, right, you don't flat out just be like, nah, it just didn't happen, right.
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So you're not a skeptic, like a rational skeptic.
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How?
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awesome is it that we even have this kid on right now explaining this to us?
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I would have never even know.
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I love you, nick, you're amazing.
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It's.
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Someone's got to be a nerd in life.
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You're just a font of like knowledge.
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It's so freaking cool when you come on.
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I appreciate it.
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All right, so you don't, you know, you don't go into it skeptical.
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Yeah, you don't go into skeptical, but then you also, on the one hand, don't go on the other end.
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And there's a big word for this, but it's actually a sin.
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It's called rash credulity.
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It's a big scholastic word, but basically it's.
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It means it's those people who just accept every private revelation with no discernment.
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They just are like oh, I read this on the internet, sounds good enough for me.
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So both are wrong.
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And in the middle the mean is, you just listen to the judgment of the church.
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And so, even when the judgment of the church comes out, though, check this out Even then you're not required to give your assent of divine and catholic faith to it, unless You're the seer.
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If you're the seer itself, you do, but if you're the rest of us, no, and so that that includes, uh, approved one.
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So, for instance, like I believe in, obviously, the revelation of fatima, I think you both do as well.
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But at the same time there's it's not a sin if we were to not believe in it.
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Yeah.
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Now, is it true that traditionally, the, the local ordinaries, the local bishops, ruling on these things are considered infallible?
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Not that you have to, like I said, like you said, not that you have to Give them a cent, but that they're, that their ruling is usually final?
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right, yeah, it would be.
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It would be that they're theologically safe, theologically safe and theologically certain.
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Um, so then?
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why has, why is Is mejagory been been said to be non supernatural like four times and yet exactly the Vatican is still Doing their own investigation into it.
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It's really the yeah it's politics.
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Think of it this way from a pr perspective.
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If you worked at the Vatican and you know all these big name Catholics who are all and I again, I say this like with all the respect we're kind of like in the normie sphere, if you will.
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It's so much better to be like, hey look, this is kind of a trend, let's get on this boat, even though we've already had Some of the people who were in the original story Come out and say yo, it was false.
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The priest, who's in a deviant, like you know, moral, immoral situation.
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And then the bishops were like no bro, this is, this isn't a real thing, it's just politics.
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There's this, it's, it's a it's a strange one mejagory, because there have been so many conversions from it of people just having these insane things happen to them when they go.
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I really always just wrote it off, as God can write straight, write straight with crooked lines, right?
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I mean, even if Something crooked happened, that it's foundation, god, it's a massive pilgrimage site and people are going, there's tons of prayers and confessions going on, so I mean God is present, some in some manner or form there, even if our lady isn't appearing there.
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So I don't know.
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Because when I said that last time don goes, okay, yeah, now, now do that with world youth day, you know, when we were criticizing world youth day, it's like, well, there's tons of confessions going on and people praying and it's like and, at the same time, you never hear about People who may have lost their faith because of mejagory.
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You'll hear I tell the story about a very superficial faith coming out of there, right?
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So my father goes there, an atheist, and comes out on fire for God, like when I tell you, on fire.
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Like he comes back and like everybody at work is calling him the preacher.
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Like he my dad, used to smoke pot, he throws his weed out, he's playing guitar at the at the local parish, uh, but it's a very much a spiritual, high chasing faith, right?
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So they go to these charismatic meetings and he makes his life in the spirit and he's baptized in the holy spirit, which is a.
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You know, I don't, it's, it's.
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I don't have much of an opinion, I don't want to look, it's, it's very close to home, that's all I'll say.
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Like I have many people in my family that have done this.
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Um, so it's, he comes back and he's on fire for God.
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My mom's on top of the world, because now our husbands Are practicing the faith, but my dad never had a deep knowledge of the faith.
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He never really was able to Catechize me.
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My mom was the main catechist in the home.
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I wind up losing my faith.
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My father eventually stops going to mass and my dad hasn't been to mass in a decade now.
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So it's like this, this superficial I'm very cautious of charismatic stuff because of this, because, and also I was brought to a um, like a youth thing when I was a kid a retreat and I mean I told the story on air but the everyone around me is crying and they're like Speaking in tongues at this thing and I remember I was probably about 11 years old and I was like God, I'm open to your spirit.
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Why is everybody around me crying and I'm not?
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And it really like I.
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It damaged my, my faith a little bit and I mean it wasn't like I didn't believe in God or anything, but I remember feeling like rejected by God a little bit because I didn't.
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And I don't know how many of those people were Faking it, I don't know, I don't know.
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It was a lot of women around, a lot of a lot of emotional women crying and I knew we made it 20, 29 minutes, 29 minutes Before the misogyny hit.
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I'm proud of you.
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It is.
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I agree with you, though, anthony, because it's like I grew up in evangelical Charismania and I would see people quote-unquote speaking in tongues all the time and I was just the odd kid that thought, you know, I'm stoked with my, you know books and theology, nerdism and stuff like that, and these guys.
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You know I have the quote spirit.
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But then think about this just rationally for a second All of that emotional stuff, does that appeal to our reason, our higher faculties, or does that appeal to our sensitive, lower, like touchy-feely, appetites?
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the things that are very susceptible to uh To demonic.
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Yeah, to the demonic.
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So Father saw the Rippegger.
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He quotes St John of the Cross so well when he talks about how the devil has access to our lower passions, if you will.
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So this is why the devil, can, you know, really throw at you temptations of, you know, impurity or anger, or fill in the blank.
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Right, he can really do that, but the devil doesn't have direct access to the intellect and the will.
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Right, Because that's the amago day.
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My whole point with all this is merely just to illustrate the reality that you know, if your faith is primarily one of emotions and consolations, right, In Catholic theology we're just supposed to get rid of consolations period because we're not supposed to be relying on them, and so if that's all that it is, it's probably not really.
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Okay, so you're not supposed to rely on them, but God is merciful and early on in your conversion especially God will pour consolations on you.
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He will, but check this out.
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Like, even according to Catholic teaching, like it's better for us, even if it comes from God, even if we know it comes from God, it's better just to literally push it aside, because the thing is we're just so susceptible to be attached to it and we have to go off of what we know and that what we know stuff is just so not appealing when you can have the praise and worship, dark room speaking in tongues experience.
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Wow, that's crazy.
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The priest said it was your fault that you had a spiritual blog.
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So for those, listening on audio.
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A comment says I went to a charismatic conference a very long time ago.
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I was the only one not speaking in tongues.
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The priest said it was my fault that I had a spiritual block.
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I've never heard of a priest doing that.
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I always.
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I was always because I grew up around a lot of people like this and there was a lot of people that didn't speak in tongues and they were involved in this movement, so it's a weird one.
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We had preachers say that to me all the time where it was like, you know, people who got prayed over.
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I remember one time I was at this conference when I was probably like 13, 14, and this guest speaker came and he had all like 20, 30 of us line up in this row and he was going around and like slaying everybody in the spirit or they would just be speaking in tongues, like in that moment.
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And when he got to me I was, you know, 13, 14, didn't really know any better, and I could feel him pushing, you know, on my head.
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You know what would be interesting to see would be someone who's putting their like you know, head above you or something, and then something happens.
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Now that's maybe more demonic and physical expression, but pushing, you can tell it's kind of bogus.
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I wasn't falling down and I wasn't speaking in tongues and he said that I needed to think about why I wasn't speaking in tongues, to see if maybe I was holding on to like unforgiveness or some sin preventing me from being able to.
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You know, if you will experience the Lord's gifts, which is kind of funny on the one hand, because that same preacher also believes that one saved, always saved.
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So it's kind of like alright, do you really believe?
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then, if anything, Was this a Pentecostal Sure?
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All right, so wait, I do want to address that comment, rob, real quick.
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So I don't know.
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So is it a Pentecostal movement, mainly American?
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It originates in America in the early 19th century in California.
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So it starts off at this large meeting that's called Zusa Street, which was in California, and basically it was this African American preacher and this Ku Klux Klan believe it or not white supremacist preacher who kind of somehow even though the Ku Klux Klan guy did not like the black guy this whole quote unquote revival started and it kicked off really when their prodigy, a man by the name of Charles Fox, really took the movement and, kind of like, sold the movement as a salesman across the United States.
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How do you know everyone?
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I'm just saying, when I talk to you, I'm like you just say something to this kid and he's like well, these are the things you're just freaking out Because I don't have a girlfriend yet.
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Anthony.
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You're a Catholic rain man dude.
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It's amazing.
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You hear that ladies that are listening.
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No, granted, any lady that does take you might end up like ruining one of the best Catholic minds of the early 20th century.
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I don't want you, or Josh and Michelle.
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I want you to be celibate.
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Forever, just so we can come on show.
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Not really.
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I wouldn't wish that on you.
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Okay, so that's okay.
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So, originates in California.
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The KKK.
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This dude named Charles Fox.
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He like, goes and sells it across the States.
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Now, what's crazy is Charles Fox?
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Is he's going and selling this.
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He's living in an open homosexual lifestyle.
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Right, it's crazy.
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Well, I can't say open, but in the sense of practicing, because you know, so it is gay then yeah, and what happened was, in the 1920s and 30s, the movement split into the kind of classic Pentecostals, you see.
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So this is like you know the suit and tie wearing, you know preachers screaming, banging on a pulpit, et cetera, et cetera, and then there was a separate group that split off from them same aesthetics, but they denied the Trinity right, but they still quote spoken tongues.
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What ended up happening this, though, is in the 60s, during the time of place, like all the cults, like Jim Jones and stuff, jim Jones was involved in the charismatic movement before he really went just to the left field, and then what took place from that moment in the 60s was the birth of what's called the vineyard movement.
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The vineyard movement blew up, especially in the 90s, and this is what kind of split the charismatic from the Pentecostals.
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The Pentecostals, they'll be a little bit more doctrinally concerned about stuff, and they'll, you know, be a little bit more, if you will, reverent for Protestant standards, like hymns and stuff, but the charismatic movement really was just like the Pentecostal on steroids, because they took all the spiritual gift stuff tongues, miracles, healing but then they added an extra layer.
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They started teaching that there are apostles on the same level as the 12 apostles and prophets on the same level as the Old Testament prophets today and now.
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We have a church here in our town of 3000 that once a year has an apostle and a prophet come to speak.
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Yeah, exactly Now.
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So what's crazy about this is that this it was super popular and it still is really popular, but especially when I was growing up, it infected all of the just kind of normie evangelical churches, so all the kind of like Baptists, you know, just singing praise and worship on a guitar and stuff like that.
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They all became injected with this charismatic stuff to where now when I for as an example, when I left the Protestant world the definitive last night that I left I was at this charismatic, if you will, vineyard style worship service and there's this apostle going around and this apostle, quote unquote said two things, and this is why I was studying Catholicism.
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He got up and said simultaneously the apostles creed in the Nicene Creed are legalism that hold the church back from a greater encounter with God.
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And two, you need to be prepared to be quote oiled up because the Holy Spirit is about to make a new move across the greater than so gay.
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I know it's crazy and it's crazy it has.
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It has hints of the new Pentecost, that has hints of the spring, the new springtime, because this creeps into into Catholic, into the Catholic world after the Council.
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Right, and you have, and do you know how I got?
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Do you know?
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how I got in the council.
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Yeah, it got in through.
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There was a handful of students I think it was maybe at actually KU, but they went to another.
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This was after the council.
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Everyone's being told go and experience ecumenism if you will.
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And these two gentlemen go to an Episcopalian prayer service at this event that's called the Ark.
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And they go.
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They get their hands laid on by Episcopalian cleric baptized in the spirit, baptized with the spirit, and then they bring it to the Catholic Church, which alarm bells for anybody should just be blaring at the moment.
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I talked about it actually with Angela Erickson maybe like five or six months ago, this whole discussion.
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But the big thing that I worry about is the fact that, with this idea of just baptizing someone in the Holy Ghost, they practically made it an eighth sacrament, because, at least with the Charismatics that I've talked to, they will say well, confirmation is a sacrament.
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Right, it does fill you and strengthen you with the Holy Ghost, but it's like if you were a glass of water and confirmation is like a drop of food dye, right, so it hits you and it's there.
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But when we come, when we come and lay our hands on you, then it's like taking a spoon and stirring up the water and the Holy Ghost is in every part of your life.
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And my question to them was so does this mean that the church has been either A doing it wrong or B doing it in a deficient manner for 1960 years?
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Yeah, it doesn't make sense, but I know some of those groups actually hold the position that if you don't speak in tongues, you have saved the.
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Holy Ghost.
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Yeah, some of the Protestant's ones will go so far as to say that if you don't speak in tongues, you're not even saved.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, that's crazy stuff, man.
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Crazy stuff yeah.
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Yeah, so I guess we could wrap that segment up, right.
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I mean, it's just be cautious, that's all I'll tell you, like, if you're going, if you're going in, because I know it's a look at.
00:38:48.594 --> 00:38:50.280
Curiosity too is a problem, right.
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Like curiosity can be sinful where it's you want to know what the prophecies are about, what world events are going to happen next and is the world coming to an end, and things like that you could get into.
00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:23.239
Look, I mean, we've talked about apocalyptic things on this show, but when you start getting into like current seers who are making predictions and they're saying things like North Korea is going to invade this country and it, and they're getting into like really crazy detailed stuff like that, it doesn't sound like things our lady would say, but they're saying they're hearing it from our lady.
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It's almost like my, my spidey sense goes off when I hear stuff like that.
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Yeah, just listen to the discernment of the church and just see what ends up happening and just be be cautious.
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Be optimistic but be cautious about it and don't dive in 110%.
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I don't know if there is.
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Oh sorry, I don't know if there is.
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Well, I don't know if there is a specific Catholic.
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Take on speaking in tongues.
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I know it depends who you ask, because if you ask Father Rippegger, he warns against it, but it's.
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It's one of those things where I know people in my life who have very authentic faiths and they speak in it and I don't know.
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Well, see, the thing that the thing is is like whether you're so.
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Aquinas mentions tongues.
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All the moral manual tradition mentions tongues.
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What tongues are according to?
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Just like again before this whole thing kicked off in the 60s.
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If you were to just go back and look up in an old 60s book, the gift of tongues, the Catholic Church would have said the gift of tongues is a spoken language, a known spoken language that was given to the apostles and a certain missionaries and great saints with the end of converting other people.
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And it would have worked like this If you guys didn't speak English, right, let's just say for a second, sir, you both, anthony doesn't, so you both speak Swahili.
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Just as an example, and I was to come to you guys and I would speak in English, but you guys would hear me in Swahili and you'd understand what I was saying and I would use that in order to try to convert you to the Catholic Church.
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The one, the one place where it doesn't.
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It doesn't just say in scripture, like I know, it says that in acts, but when Paul is speaking about love and Corinthians 13.
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He says whether I speak in the tongues of angels or you know, have or have not love, I am but a clanging gong right.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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That's talking about tongues is like the charismatic, because some charismatic have taken that as a thing.
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But I've seen a lot of scholastics will say like the tongues of angels, if you will.
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That's just referring to the fact that angels can speak with like they speak, if you will directly intellect, oh OK.
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Yeah, intellect, intellect, direct truth.
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You know, in the context of demons, right, they speak, they speak lies, but direct truth.
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And so that it makes sense that he's contrasting the concept of if you were to just say everything absolutely true but not have love, then it's, it gains nothing.
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It doesn't really make sense to say if you speak in Shammudahumunudunda but then don't have love, it gains nothing.
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Well it does, saying it like if you've received this gift from God that you know it's a, it's a, it's a charismatic gift you've received and you're able to pray in this gift of tongues, but you don't actually live out any kind of faith life, like you're just a clown.
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I'm just, I'm playing devil's advocate, that's all, I'm just always advocating that.
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All right, let's see what we got next on the docket.
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So the new DDF document coming out?
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Yeah, we hold that up here.
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The new DDF document.
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This will be fun.
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I'm sure it's going to be a really chill document.
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No, no streams will be made about it.
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No, 30 hour response to those streams will be made by certain person.
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Rob, are you more?
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Would you say we hit B and that's how we'll know in this.
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Yeah, okay, marker created Okay, because we're going to try and cut these up into clips later on.
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Why do they have to put his face on these?
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clips with Nick and to go viral for us.
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So I am somebody.
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Somebody tweeted the other day this, this article the other day and I was like I didn't tweet it out, but I'm like this is the Catholic podcasters dream, right.
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You tweeted out, didn't you?
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No, I didn't actually.
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I mean, I said, I said it was a specific kind of dream Like this is the Catholic podcasters.
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You know fantasy.
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It's like Fernandez coming out with a new document on human dignity.
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So the prefect for the Dicastery of the Doctrine of the Faith said a new text had been recently prepared, having already had several versions.
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The prefect for the Vatican's Dicastery, the DDF, that Cardinal Victor Fernandez, who is overseeing writing the document, told the register March 7 that the document has several versions but that the text is almost finished and will be published in early August.
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The Argentinian Cardinal who began his work as Dicastery prefect last September said a new text had been prepared in the past few months and discussed by the Dicastery, dicastery's Cardinals and bishops at the faria for a regular Wednesday meeting.
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Okay, at this moment we are incorporating some suggestions proposed by them.
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I'm going to follow his disclosure in an interview in January that the Caster is preparing a very important document on human dignity that contains a strong criticism of immoral trends in contemporary society.
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Oh, that's interesting.
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That should be cool.
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I guarantee it's about us rigid threads.
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That the new document would include not only social issues but also a strong criticism of moral questions such as sex change surgery, surrogacy and gender idea.
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So see, I'm thinking I didn't know that's where they were going with this.
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There was that comment what was it like a week ago where Pope Francis spoke out against the gender ideology, saying it was like one of the most demonic things of our generation, and I put that on social media.
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I was just like always give props where props deserve, like this is a good thing.
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What I won't be surprised at, though, see, this is what I think.
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This is sad.
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I think it will probably be really good when it comes to the gender ideology stuff.
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I hope, I pray Of course, we never know, but I hope and pray, but I bet we will at least see one paragraph or one line.
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That's a slight at the death penalty.
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Yes, oh man, that's exactly where it's going, nick.
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That way, francis can finally cite something other than himself and the Yo, my boyfriend, and said something.
00:45:44.003 --> 00:45:57.528
Let me cite him Dude that is honestly a brilliant observation, because this is, this is the MO of the new, the new, the cast, the new DDF under Fernandez.
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Right, they will give you something that sounds phenomenal for a section, and then you'll get something in there.
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Read the next paragraph.
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It says it's been being worked on for five years, but Friend, this is completely re, re, re worked it.
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So, dude, that's exactly where this is going to go.
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This is going to go.
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I think you're 100% right.
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It's going to be very good on sex change surgery, surrogacy and gender ideology, but they're going to get their death penalty thing to be backed up more, and they're there.
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So what's strange is they may even use it to change the language in the catechism on.
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Maybe, maybe they may even use it to veer away from the intrinsically disordered language.
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Yeah, for a certain yeah.
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That wouldn't surprise me either, because it's like the thing is, when you, when you put on the political lens, it's like okay, this makes sense.
00:46:55.509 --> 00:47:02.199
So, fernandez got absolutely hammered worldwide and we're going to talk about it a little bit more with the, the coptics, in a little while.
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I got absolutely hammered everywhere when it came to produce you, so it makes sense to like I see where you're going, rob.
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I'm sorry, rob, you were a child.
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If it was anyone other than then kissy face to go, I wouldn't even have thought about it.
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He got criticized sharply from from basically everybody in their mom about you know fiducia.
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So politically it makes sense that he's going to make some type of document come out and kind of like cover for that a bit, but at the same hand to push one of their other things.
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He'll probably try to get rid of the death penalty.
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Because when you look at all Pope Francis, his statements about the death penalty, he will always say it attacks the dignity of the human being and he gets this idea of human dignity.
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There is a Catholic version of it but really you don't see it in any Catholic, the theological work or encyclical until post council and you do see it really rooted in a manual con which is suspect immediately.
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So I think he's going to do the death penalty hammer on that.
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He might back away from the issue of homosexuality and pivot to transgenderism and try to deemphasize the problems with homosexuality, because that word disordered, right, it has that sharp tone to it.
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So maybe he'll get rid of that word and say something a little bit lighter.
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It's exactly what it is.
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It is 100% Like when you think about what things purposes.
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That is what it is ordered toward right yeah, 100%.
00:48:37.621 --> 00:48:43.260
So I was having this conversation with Protestants the other day on X or Twitter, whatever.
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It's like you guys with your Sola Scriptora, you have no philosophical backing or foundation to have a conversation with somebody who doesn't believe the Bible is the word of God when it comes to same sex issues.
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You don't even have a single thing and they're like what more do you need than the word of God?
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It's like no dude.
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You have to actually start having conversations with people that don't believe the Bible is the word of God and explain to them that no, the sex organs are ordered toward reproduction and procreation.
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That is what they are ordered toward, right.
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So when you use those organs for something other than what it is ordered toward, it is disordered.
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I mean, it's actually what it is.
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It is disordered.
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So when they talk about certain, it's certain.
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I mean you got to dance around this topic as we're on YouTube, but when you talk about certain body parts, you're talking about a disordered use of those body parts.
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You know, it's why the church is against even between married couples doing those things, because it is disordered and to not be able to.
00:49:50.146 --> 00:49:52.552
And the way you have that conversation also can be.
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You relate it to food right.
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Like food has a purpose.
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It's ordered toward your nourishment and nutrition and when you abuse that, it is a disordered attachment to food and you will get overweight.
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And same thing with exercise.
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Like there's all these different things that you can have a philosophical foundation, have conversations with people who don't believe the Bible is the word of God and maybe get somewhere with them.
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Exactly.
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I use the exact argument where I say okay, picture if some Muslim was to come to you and say well, what more do you need than the Quran?
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That it says it in the Quran, believe it.
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And you'd say well, I don't believe in the Quran, so that's not an authority for me.
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Same thing is if a person doesn't believe in the scripture.
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Aquinas uses this example literally in the beginning of the verse of a summa.
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He's like if an unbeliever doesn't believe in the word of God, you have to use some type of method, right, whether it's philosophical arguments, aristotle, etc.
00:50:47.355 --> 00:50:48.280
Whatever, to get to that point.
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But you're right.
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I wonder if Pope Francis also knows that the phrase disordered and Catholic moral theology isn't just talking about the disorder of like human faculties being used in a wrong way, but also, like when you read Prumer, like in his handbook of moral theology he'll touch upon I'll try to dance around this as best I can for YouTube, but he'll touch upon how Traditionally this is also a mental issue.
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It goes back to some type of psychological impairment that you do see historically in psychological associations.
00:51:21.916 --> 00:51:34.923
Right, you'd see that homosexuality is listed as some type of psychological issue really rooted in potentially like abuses or the absence of a parent or some type of imbalance there on the psychological.
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It's usually part of a wound, a psychological wound.
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Exactly.
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But then you see, in the 1970s, right, that's taken away from the DSM-5, right in the American Psychiatric Association, because of pressure groups.
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They don't even give a reason why they get rid of it under the list, they just get rid of it because of pressure.
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And the church says we do not know the psychogenesis of this, like we don't know the origins, we won't say people are born that way.
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We don't know the origins of this right.
00:52:01.590 --> 00:52:14.373
So I was actually having this conversation with my daughters recently because they were asking questions, like it turned into this whole conversation and they were like, well, what about?
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Because I was talking to them about how our sex organs are ordered towards procreation.
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And my daughter was like, well, what about couples that don't want to have kids?
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And I'm like, okay, this is a great opportunity to have this conversation.
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I mean, she's only 13,.
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You know what I mean.
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So, like she never had the conversation before, and it led to a very good conversation with me explaining that like this is the purpose of marriage, this is the purpose of everything you do.
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And I had the conversation about birth control with them.
00:52:45.818 --> 00:52:53.702
And Rob, you look like a Colombian drug lord with that shirt and cigar, with the tats on his chest Right, so true.
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Did you?
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I mean, because a couple that doesn't want to have children, I mean that's not even a marriage if they are married, right?
00:53:01.474 --> 00:53:02.318
So I actually had that.
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And if you, if you go into a marriage saying you don't want to have kids, your marriage is in doubt.
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It's so interesting because, because of my poor catechesis and me leaving the faith, I was so worried about my kids becoming teenagers that they were going to leave the faith too.
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But what I found is the older they get, the more mature the conversations you could start having with them, and that kids are smart and they can grasp these things and they actually get it.
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And when you give them something that makes sense compared to what the world is feeding because the world is feeding them garbage, nonsense that doesn't make any sense, there's no order to it, there's nothing and when you actually have conversations with your kids as they approach that age, they're like oh, that makes sense.
00:53:47.596 --> 00:53:48.833
You know, like what?
00:53:48.934 --> 00:53:55.036
The conversation I had on ending pregnancies with my daughter, because I'm I'm cataclyzing my daughter.
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She's making her confirmation in next week, on March 21st, but that that's how this whole conversation started.
00:54:04.340 --> 00:54:20.280
She's 13 and we just started talking about she had to write a little essay on how she can evangelize by using some of the things that she learned Like and it was very pro life in the cataclysm and the cataclysm material that they gave us and stuff.
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So it went from just talking about, you know, ending pregnancies into this whole conversation about marriage and sex and all this stuff, and it ended up being a really good conversation and she was like, wow, that makes so much sense.
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You know, for the record everyone, I guess we're not having a show next Thursday.
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So March 21st, Thursday, March 20th oh no, it's a 10 in the morning.
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Confirmation it's a 10 am.
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I think we can still do it Works right, we should be able to still do it.
00:54:51.670 --> 00:54:59.981
The other thing is we're almost at 10,000 subs and we have Michael Hitchborn coming on Thursday and I think we might hit it for that show.
00:54:59.981 --> 00:55:04.340
Like that'll be pretty cool to have Michael Hitchborn for the for the 10,000.
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And, as of right now, the plan is when we hit 10,000, shortly after that, we're going to do a celebratory, celebratory show and I think we're planning on doing it like a AMA.
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Yeah, you guys can ask us anything and we'll keep the.
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YouTube portion of it.
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Pretty calm, we'll save the spicy questions for locals.
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Yeah, and we will.
00:55:27.231 --> 00:55:29.918
We will get into some spicy stuff over on locals.
00:55:29.918 --> 00:55:39.543
Now, all right, so we do have to get into the, the, the ecumenical dialogue breaking out before we go.
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I did read a little bit further in the article and it says that they think that the central, the new central themes of the document, are going to be more migration and the environment.
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Yeah, and it's probably it makes sense because it's going to be.
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They're going to say, especially in the US context all next translation all you meanie Maga Republicans want to just lock people out and keep people slaves, etc.
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Etc.
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You guys got to got to be welcoming and opening your arm to them and not recognizing the real fundamental issue that we have, which is an invasion on the southern border and the human dignity of our people in the United States not having things like jobs or places to sleep, of all the things that that I take issue with the hierarchy right now, like I get the climate change stuff, like that.
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You know there's, there's a way you could.
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I mean I don't agree with the approach, but there's a way you can say as a Catholic, we are supposed to conserve God's creation and things like that.
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We are to be stewards of the natural order, and but the idea of opening your borders to non Christians and allowing them to like, you're destroying your own civilization, and it's really saying like that we shouldn't have fought the battle of Lepanto, that we shouldn't have resisted at the Siege of Vienna you know like you're just denying a thousand years of.
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Catholic history.
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The thing is, though, rob, I've been really like, I've really been pondering the situation in the church, and it's really been coming down on me a lot, thinking about how we had this whole period in church history where we were the triumphalist church, like we were the ones going out and converting the pagan nations and, and you know, living out the Great Commission right going out baptizing all nations.
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But once that's done, there's an aspect of us living out the life of Christ where, like I worry that a lot of people are are losing their faith because they don't see a triumphalist church and they're failing to recognize that.
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We're in a time, right now, where it's more like the apostles during the crucifixion and it's the apostles are like what is going on here, like you're the Messiah, what is going on, and it's just that, like I really do see us in a different period in churches three right now which is, I don't know if it's time to fight the battle of Lepanto because of that.
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Yeah, it's something where I think that you have to, on the one hand, recognize that, like I think, the church triumphant still exists, like obviously in the metaphysical sense.
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But, you're right, like in the day to day life of an average Catholic, what they see online, they're not going to see that at all.
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And I think the reason is goes back to Archbishop of Feph said, where he says we've made the church from a mission, we've taken it from a missionary church to an ecumenical church.
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Yeah, right, which is going to lead us into our next topic.
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But that's, I think, the fundamental issue.
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And people's trust, I think, is more in I don't want to say the church in the sense of her teaching, but the church in the sense of just the guys in the top who are supposed to have it together.
00:58:52.791 --> 00:59:14.960
Their trust is so much in that that they're losing focus on Christ and they're acting more like St Peter, looking into the storm and not actually at Christ, and recognizing that you know there's, there's always a crisis, whether that's in your life or in the church, but at the end of the day, christ is the one who's going to be transfixed in your life if you hold on to them and stuff.
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So, yeah, I agree with you, but I do think, when it comes to this immigration stuff, it's going to be.
00:59:18.634 --> 00:59:20.701
It's going to be major, major cringe.
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Oh, I think we're, I think we're having another crusade, but we're losing this one.
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Like we're going to lose this one, you're, you're allowing me to say it's an anti crusade in the sense of it's in reverse Right, it's in reverse it's the it's a Muslim G hot is what it is A G hot being declared on us, because we don't even like the lack of thought going into this.
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it's like you're opening your borders to these military age Muslim men or just from, to put it safe for YouTube, a certain Asian country.
00:59:49.398 --> 01:00:01.976
A ton of military age men from a certain Asian country come into the United States, and then also that Asian country buying a ton of a land in real estate in your said country, as well as flooding your children's iPhones with TikTok videos.
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If you guys can honestly the writing on the wall for a future war, I don't know what we'll tell you.
01:00:07.811 --> 01:00:19.458
I think we're more in a garden of Getsemane territory, like we're in, we're in, we're in the beginning, rumblings of of we're.
01:00:19.458 --> 01:00:24.369
Because I man, there's two ways this goes after Francis.
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It's just Francis is come, the Francis Babies is coming to a close soon, soon.
01:00:30.228 --> 01:00:38.516
I mean it's not, you know, we're not getting another 10 years, it's no, it's coming to a close and I don't know what happens next.
01:00:38.516 --> 01:00:39.099
I mean it's.
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I think severe persecution from the outside comes next, like right now we're dealing with stuff internally.
01:00:44.416 --> 01:00:50.019
I think severe persecution from the outside comes after Francis and I think a lot of the reason we're in.
01:00:50.621 --> 01:00:54.581
A lot of the reasons we're not getting that right now is because of Francis like so a lot of people.
01:00:54.581 --> 01:01:05.342
They think they don't like Francis, but it's like, in a way, he is the reason you're not dealing with severe persecution from the from the outside, anti-christic world.
01:01:06.293 --> 01:01:14.320
Now it makes sense too, because the thought would be it's like okay, if we can't infiltrate the church and make it completely 110% change, then we'll just get rid of you.
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Yeah, and look, there can't be a resurrection without a death like we do, like the catechism actually talks about how the church in her final phase, will follow her lord into his passion and it will die.
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And it doesn't mean completely that, like it will never be completely gone, but it will appear as though dead and there will be a glorious resurrection.
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They can't be a.
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Look, there's no human way to fix the mess that there is right now, like it's just way too big.
01:01:41.211 --> 01:01:46.081
It's, there's too many, there's too many judices in the hierarchy.
01:01:46.081 --> 01:01:54.601
They all know something has to happen where the whole thing collapses and God brings something new out of it, like a, like a phoenix rising from the ashes.
01:01:54.601 --> 01:01:56.168
Man, it's just has to happen.
01:01:56.168 --> 01:01:57.331
There's no way.
01:01:57.331 --> 01:02:09.458
Even I kind of see politics in that way too, though, like America, this whole system is so corrupt at this point, like something new needs to come A and something new is coming, bro 2024.
01:02:11.634 --> 01:02:13.759
All right, let's do the last story before we jump over to locals.
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Which one?
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are we doing the Catholic?
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Yeah, everyone should petition Anthony Abate to run for like I don't know, like mayor or something of New York City.
01:02:28.072 --> 01:02:31.041
Be the next, be the next.
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You know, guy, who's the city?
01:02:34.510 --> 01:02:37.719
Rudy, I know a few subjects of the population he wouldn't get a vote from.
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Listen to me, I would never get into politics, ever under any such, just because I wouldn't want people digging into my, my family's like my family's life, like I was digging tunnels underneath your house.
01:02:50.172 --> 01:03:03.168
They would dig up stuff from this podcast and it would be a wrap, like they would just find audio of me talking about the JQ and we'd be done they would just stop.
01:03:03.188 --> 01:03:04.916
They would start with women and you'd be done there.
01:03:07.514 --> 01:03:09.621
Yeah, yeah women half of it gone immediately.
01:03:09.621 --> 01:03:11.735
I would never get the female vote.
01:03:12.076 --> 01:03:19.224
Actually, you'd be surprised how many women actually like you get a nice, you get a niche and niche female vote.
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Yeah, you wouldn't get the youth female vote though.
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I mean listen.
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If my wife can love me, any woman can that woman.
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That's.
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That's how she becomes the same.
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Let me tell you something my wife, if I, if I was doing like the weird science thing where you create a woman like I couldn't create my yeah.
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I go.
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I think it's like 20 years too young for that movie.
01:03:40.971 --> 01:03:42.759
I came home from work today she wasn't home.
01:03:42.759 --> 01:03:48.664
I come home and she has dinner in the oven waiting for me, like she knew I had the show tonight.
01:03:48.664 --> 01:03:53.195
I come home from work and she left a little note like dinner's in the oven, like I had to eat alone.
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She wasn't home.
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But good woman, that's still pretty nice.
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That's still pretty nice.
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Yeah, she's, she's, she's very good to me, all right.
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So Coptic leaders said their church believes in human rights and freedoms, but that these freedoms must not be used to violate the laws of the creator.
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So Copt's, halt Ecumenical Talks, get rid of that, okay.
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The Coptic Church has confirmed that its decision last week to suspend dialogue with the Catholic Church was due to Rome's change of position on this SS issue.
01:04:23.210 --> 01:04:27.340
Like we haven't like we haven't not short stuff, not the short stuff, short stuff.
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But I'm saying the things we've said on this episode.
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I'm worried about saying that word.
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In a video released on Friday, coptic Orthodox spokesman Father Musa Ibrahim said the most notable of nine decrees emanating from the church's annual holy synod, which took place last week in wherever in Egypt, was to suspend theological dialogue with just lost the Egyptian vote.
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Sorry guys, I'm not even going to attempt that word.
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The Wadi El Natrum.
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All right, it's better than your Italian.
01:04:57.813 --> 01:04:59.534
No, come on I got the Italian words right.
01:04:59.534 --> 01:05:02.398
Yeah, so that all right.
01:05:02.398 --> 01:05:07.079
So, man, fiducia is the gift that keeps on giving.
01:05:08.001 --> 01:05:09.184
So true, so true.
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And you know not to, not to wait off into contrary.
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I'll just make my one joke.
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But it's like I said on the chat.
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I just said like only if that synod had watched Michael Lofton they would have figured it all out.
01:05:21.469 --> 01:05:25.702
You're going to hear people say oh you know they just it's all the media's fault.
01:05:25.702 --> 01:05:30.432
It's like you don't think that the Coptic Church looked a little bit deeper than like the New York Times.
01:05:30.432 --> 01:05:30.974
Come on.
01:05:31.416 --> 01:05:31.876
Exactly.
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Dude, it's.
01:05:33.010 --> 01:05:45.498
It's weird, because Francis wants ecumenical dialogue but he has to make a choice between these other Christian groups and the gay lobby Like that's you can only have ecumenism one way.
01:05:45.498 --> 01:05:49.914
You're not going to have ecumenism with these other Christian groups unless you're looking to do it with the Anglicans.
01:05:51.250 --> 01:05:56.010
I think that's why he's like given up on the East as a for a major ecumenical dialogue.
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Because it's like, if you think about it rationally, the Eastern Orthodox proper don't like what's going on right now in the Conciliar Church because of the new mass.
01:06:04.755 --> 01:06:10.398
They openly say the new mass is not an apostolic right, therefore we can't really join in, plus everything else, of course.
01:06:10.398 --> 01:06:13.585
And then the Coptics, they're in the same boat, but then they'll add on this stuff.
01:06:13.585 --> 01:06:24.579
When it comes to homosexuality, you see that a lot of Russian and Greek patriarchs in the Eastern Orthodox proper come out and condemn and et cetera, and so it's like, okay, none of those guys are going to get on our board.
01:06:24.579 --> 01:06:35.793
So let's go to the other wing, if you will, to the Protestants, but it's to the mainline denominations which are already having the rainbow banner on front of their church building, and let's dialogue with them.
01:06:37.110 --> 01:06:44.304
It's so absurd because the ones that we actually have the best shot at unity with are the Orthodox.
01:06:45.413 --> 01:06:46.275
Yeah they're like the Orthodox.
01:06:47.250 --> 01:06:49.599
Like we're acknowledging they have valid orders.
01:06:49.599 --> 01:06:51.677
We're acknowledging their sacraments are valid.
01:06:51.677 --> 01:06:54.177
Our catechisms are so close.
01:06:54.177 --> 01:07:03.922
It's just a matter of recognizing the Pope and maybe just working out a couple of theological issues with the filiokue and the Marian dogmas.
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Remember we're on theóありがとうございます, so, and Hallo semi-nestorian.
01:07:07.552 --> 01:07:22.197
Yeah, you get some Christological errors there, but I mean, there's some big theological stuff, but see, that's the thing is, it's like none of those denominations in the Orthodox world are going to be pro-female deaconate, right, and so that's going to be another main stumbling block.
01:07:22.197 --> 01:07:24.458
But are the Lutherans and the Anglicans like the liberal ones?
01:07:24.458 --> 01:07:28.858
Oh yeah, and so it makes way more sense that he's going to pivot that direction.
01:07:28.858 --> 01:07:33.730
Because also, if you think about it politically, where do all those denominations live?
01:07:33.730 --> 01:07:35.414
They're all in Europe and North America, right.
01:07:35.414 --> 01:07:36.277
In the West, right.
01:07:36.277 --> 01:07:38.615
They're not in Russia or Egypt, right.
01:07:38.615 --> 01:07:45.516
And so, politically, all those nations are also the ones harping on climate change, so he's going to be more buddy-buddy with them.
01:07:45.516 --> 01:07:46.934
Where is the World Economic Forum?
01:07:46.934 --> 01:07:48.539
Is it in Egypt, right?
01:07:49.670 --> 01:08:03.561
I was going to say it seems much more because there's no reason to really honestly court the Anglican church or, you know, your other liberal mainline churches, because they're dying and they're going to be dead before the Novus Ordo Exactly.
01:08:03.561 --> 01:08:06.358
So he's not quoting them for conversion.
01:08:06.358 --> 01:08:11.081
He's quoting that wing, because that's where money is that.
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And then Pan Communion.
01:08:11.963 --> 01:08:12.782
There's no money in the Catholic.
01:08:12.824 --> 01:08:16.020
Church, I think Pan Communion too, with the liberal denominations.
01:08:16.020 --> 01:08:17.976
You brought it up before, anthony, but I think you're right.
01:08:17.976 --> 01:08:28.762
Like you already see, in the 1983 Code of Canon Law you're allowed to give Protestants and non-believers communion under certain restrictions, which the 1917 Code completely banned.
01:08:28.762 --> 01:08:29.954
It was very much so against that.
01:08:29.954 --> 01:08:39.475
You see, pope Francis right, when he was asked by that Lutheran woman right, well, you can I have communion he said that he wouldn't recommend it.
01:08:39.475 --> 01:08:51.010
But to have a discernment with your priest about it, pope Benedict right famously gave I think it was to Max Turriton right a communion in an ecumenical service, right that he had consecrated.
01:08:51.010 --> 01:08:52.737
So I think that that's more of the move.
01:08:52.737 --> 01:09:03.141
It's like, if we can have this Pan Communion, female deaconate, some type of ambiguous line of blessing the world of the rainbow, that will get along with way more.
01:09:03.141 --> 01:09:11.908
And then, politically, in the background you have all the rich Western European countries that are also pushing climate change, mass immigration, globalist immigration.
01:09:11.908 --> 01:09:15.637
All of that makes way more sense than Russia or Egypt.
01:09:17.591 --> 01:09:20.210
It's oh man scary.
01:09:21.552 --> 01:09:21.672
Bro.
01:09:21.672 --> 01:09:24.137
That's why everyone needs to move to an SSPX chapel.
01:09:29.354 --> 01:09:36.878
Yeah, I think the ultimate goal is just open communion for everyone, like I think they just want to be able to hand communion out to everyone.
01:09:36.878 --> 01:09:40.659
It's like all right, whatever, we don't really care what it's Masonic fraternity.
01:09:41.750 --> 01:09:47.216
When you see, when you see open communion I'm calling it right now when you see open communion, world War Three will happen.
01:09:47.216 --> 01:09:54.289
God will not allow that type of massive open and quote legal sacrilege.
01:09:54.631 --> 01:10:03.539
Yeah, because there's already sacrilege going on, but like to act like I feel like that would be crossing a line that I can't imagine.
01:10:04.529 --> 01:10:06.253
Like I don't even want to know what's going to happen.
01:10:06.253 --> 01:10:06.875
Wait a minute.
01:10:06.875 --> 01:10:07.135
What?
01:10:07.215 --> 01:10:09.340
is that Ben Thorpe is in jail.
01:10:09.539 --> 01:10:10.481
Yeah, did you guys hear that?
01:10:10.481 --> 01:10:14.250
I heard that a few hours ago.
01:10:14.250 --> 01:10:15.777
So Grace is his daughter, right?
01:10:15.777 --> 01:10:18.856
Because they're saying that he kicked Grace on stream.
01:10:19.599 --> 01:10:20.341
Something like that.
01:10:20.341 --> 01:10:23.078
I heard talk about the weird drama.
01:10:23.369 --> 01:10:25.756
Like seriously kicked her or was like goofing around.
01:10:26.177 --> 01:10:28.314
I don't know Like she's an adult, right?
01:10:28.333 --> 01:10:44.216
She's not a child, so from what I heard and I try to avoid that world of the internet for many reasons, but from what I heard from a few viewers was that he kicked her on a stream and she, like the cops or somebody, reported that to the local cops.
01:10:44.216 --> 01:10:48.960
The cops showed up and they arrested him and she was like weeping and crying.
01:10:48.960 --> 01:10:51.630
She has this video posted about on this on our channel.
01:10:51.630 --> 01:10:55.519
She's like weeping and crying, saying like don't arrest him, don't arrest him, like this was a joke.
01:10:55.519 --> 01:11:08.216
This was a joke, but a lot of people were pointing out, like with that weird sicko relationship, how much of this is not just like her, you know, with cognitive dissonance, if you will, trying to justify some type of an abuse.
01:11:09.369 --> 01:11:12.057
It is a very odd relationship those two have.
01:11:12.970 --> 01:11:16.819
So it's so weird they rated our stream ones on MOC back in the day.
01:11:16.819 --> 01:11:19.117
I mean just weird, weird people.
01:11:20.631 --> 01:11:23.579
I preemptively blocked their YouTube account.
01:11:23.579 --> 01:11:25.101
You blocked Ben.
01:11:25.101 --> 01:11:27.216
I blocked Ben, not Grace.
01:11:27.569 --> 01:11:29.253
Not Grace, because we saw Grace in our.
01:11:29.253 --> 01:11:33.233
I mean, look, I don't know what's going on there, but it is a weird.
01:11:33.233 --> 01:11:35.417
It is a weird thing going on over there.
01:11:35.417 --> 01:11:38.474
I don't know, I don't know, they got a strange family.
01:11:38.474 --> 01:11:43.166
I'm not, I'm not implying anything, but it's a strange.
01:11:43.166 --> 01:11:44.576
We all know what you're thinking, anthony.
01:11:44.576 --> 01:11:51.078
I just I just think it's a strange dynamic man, like I don't know the couple of things I've seen, I'm just like what is going on?
01:11:51.099 --> 01:11:51.219
here.
01:11:51.219 --> 01:11:54.838
Can you imagine if you and I had been in person during the coast sleeping debacle?
01:11:54.838 --> 01:11:56.422
We could have gotten into a fist fight.
01:11:56.422 --> 01:11:58.377
Can you imagine the numbers that show would have done?
01:11:59.432 --> 01:12:08.957
Oh man, one day we're going to I'm going to come back on here you guys are going to debate coast sleeping, and then I'm going to talk about the various views on public breastfeeding and whether women should wear pants, and.
01:12:08.957 --> 01:12:10.261
Okay, wait a minute, I'll get started.
01:12:10.970 --> 01:12:16.189
Rob, do we have we still have that coast sleeping thing anywhere Like?
01:12:16.189 --> 01:12:18.597
Can we put that on our locals for people that haven't seen it?
01:12:19.449 --> 01:12:21.033
Probably I.
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It's been deleted from streaming.
01:12:22.237 --> 01:12:25.233
Or just to keep up with the number of streams we have in there.
01:12:25.233 --> 01:12:31.103
Well, I probably have the whole episode downloaded.
01:12:31.103 --> 01:12:31.671
I'm not sure.
01:12:32.815 --> 01:12:34.551
We should check, we should save just that.
01:12:34.551 --> 01:12:40.914
You know the first 15 minute argument we should save just because look at something that happened.
01:12:40.914 --> 01:12:42.755
It was a heated thing between us.
01:12:42.814 --> 01:12:43.296
It'd be a thing.
01:12:43.296 --> 01:12:46.090
We're going to bring it up forever, right yeah?
01:12:46.210 --> 01:12:46.371
It's a.
01:12:46.371 --> 01:12:47.434
It's a, it's a real moment.
01:12:47.434 --> 01:12:57.737
And the funniest thing that happened there and nobody caught it, nobody caught it was when Kennedy comes on.
01:12:57.737 --> 01:13:07.775
He starts talking about the matrix and he was like, well, you know, the creators of the matrix are both trans and I go yeah, their parents probably coast, slept with them.
01:13:07.775 --> 01:13:09.260
And nobody heard it.
01:13:09.260 --> 01:13:13.378
Rob, rob was seething angry at me and he wasn't even listening to me.
01:13:13.378 --> 01:13:14.301
I'm like nothing on that.
01:13:14.301 --> 01:13:15.957
He's like I don't even hear what you said.
01:13:15.957 --> 01:13:19.703
I'm like, oh, like I was trying to light.
01:13:19.743 --> 01:13:33.659
You were really trying to poke the bear without no, I was trying to lighten the mood with a laugh and you were just so mad at me and I was just like, oh no, I feel really bad for that, but you had the whole thing with Kennedy because he was on fire.
01:13:33.659 --> 01:13:35.957
Dude, it was a really good interview with him.
01:13:35.997 --> 01:13:36.278
Yeah.
01:13:37.270 --> 01:13:38.614
And it was like this whole story.
01:13:38.614 --> 01:13:43.636
It was like, and it was just this weird tension between me and you that holds.
01:13:43.636 --> 01:13:48.515
But it was, it was gay.
01:13:48.515 --> 01:13:52.204
Like it was just completely it was like both of us just trying to like own each other.
01:13:52.204 --> 01:13:53.314
It was a stupid thing.
01:13:53.314 --> 01:13:54.314
It was just gay and wrong.
01:13:54.770 --> 01:13:56.698
I thought it was ironic because Kennedy was coming on.
01:13:56.698 --> 01:14:02.297
I think you guys is like original title had the word Sism in it and so people were making like jokes in the comments.
01:14:02.297 --> 01:14:04.197
Well, let's be clear.
01:14:04.489 --> 01:14:05.756
We see a live system right now.
01:14:05.756 --> 01:14:11.592
Rob was not mad at me for my position on co-sleeping, like there's this.
01:14:11.833 --> 01:14:15.875
that's not what he was actually We've talked about that off air, like we knew each other's positions.
01:14:15.975 --> 01:14:17.653
Yeah, Like he wasn't.
01:14:17.653 --> 01:14:19.984
He was, he was defending it and it got heated.
01:14:19.984 --> 01:14:24.516
But he was mad at me for the way I went about it and that's like that has to be said.
01:14:24.516 --> 01:14:33.242
It wasn't like Rob was just being a you know a bee over, Because sometimes I can be just like a melancholic asshole about things I really can't.
01:14:33.791 --> 01:14:34.051
It was.
01:14:34.051 --> 01:14:35.778
It was poor communication between us.
01:14:35.778 --> 01:14:39.914
He should have really just told me flat out I don't want to talk about this and things like that.
01:14:39.914 --> 01:14:48.282
Rob was oh, he was definitely mad at me, but it wasn't necessarily about co-sleeping, like it just wasn't.
01:14:48.282 --> 01:14:51.091
It was underlying things and it was.
01:14:51.091 --> 01:14:57.712
It was yeah, it's, it's, but like we, after that whole thing ended, it's like people were like are you guys going to it's?
01:14:57.712 --> 01:14:58.978
Like dude, we're friends.
01:14:58.978 --> 01:15:03.860
Like you think men can't have like an argument and get over it and it's so silly, you know.
01:15:04.609 --> 01:15:05.914
There really is truth to the whole.
01:15:05.914 --> 01:15:16.699
Like stereotype of guys can have a fist fight and then their best friends for the, you know, the rest of their life where women will just bicker behind each other's backs and then hate each other and pretend their friends.
01:15:16.810 --> 01:15:18.810
It's like so stupid.
01:15:18.810 --> 01:15:19.773
All right, let's go over to local.
01:15:19.773 --> 01:15:21.137
All right.
01:15:21.137 --> 01:15:23.875
Sometimes it's good to have an argument and blow off steam and you guys kiss them.
01:15:23.875 --> 01:15:24.536
That's perfect.
01:15:24.536 --> 01:15:25.918
Exactly what happened.
01:15:25.918 --> 01:15:28.003
All right, we're going to head over to locals.
01:15:28.003 --> 01:15:32.541
If you guys are not on our locals yet, you miss it out, because we do a lot of fun stuff over there.
01:15:33.149 --> 01:15:41.180
We've not had a lot of subscribers lately because I screwed up last month and blew all of our local streams on my daily meditation, so sorry.
01:15:41.689 --> 01:15:51.139
But yeah, we'll give you, we're going to give you guys a little inside scoop about the Mel interview, some stuff behind the scenes, and we're going to get into why Nick Kovazos hates Tim Flanders.
01:15:53.176 --> 01:15:54.640
So you guys, want to join us.
01:15:55.011 --> 01:15:56.277
Man, we're going over there.
01:15:56.277 --> 01:15:57.694
All right, Rob, take us out, brother.
01:15:57.815 --> 01:15:58.117
No get.
01:16:50.586 --> 01:16:51.326
I couldn't find my.
01:16:51.786 --> 01:16:53.908
I couldn't find my straw during the show.
01:16:53.908 --> 01:17:01.759
I'm like spitting mints out, because I usually just go like this, but I couldn't find my straw was like under my computer.
01:17:01.759 --> 01:17:02.322
It was annoying.
01:17:02.322 --> 01:17:05.877
All right, what do we got?
01:17:05.877 --> 01:17:06.631
Let me.
01:17:06.631 --> 01:17:12.792
I'd like to pull up locals, just so I could see the common, can you it's?
01:17:12.832 --> 01:17:15.479
hard to do them on screen, but they, yeah, they can.
01:17:15.479 --> 01:17:16.261
It kind of sucks.
01:17:16.550 --> 01:17:18.396
I want to be able to read the comments on locals.
01:17:18.550 --> 01:17:25.118
Let me just and here says that they sat in the same pew as Nick for two weeks in a row.
01:17:26.050 --> 01:17:27.475
Yeah, was it a Brian Long?
01:17:27.475 --> 01:17:28.519
Yeah, brian Long.
01:17:28.519 --> 01:17:41.440
Yeah, I know he like two weeks ago I started I mean the SSPX now is the only place around me because my parish was essentially nuked off the face of the planet and yeah, he like bent over and whispered.
01:17:41.440 --> 01:17:42.150
He was just like.
01:17:42.150 --> 01:17:47.561
You know, it's nice to see the traditional Thomas bless us with his presence, something like that it's very funny.
01:17:47.561 --> 01:17:52.777
And so afterward I caught up with him and he came back the next week to send the same pew.
01:17:52.777 --> 01:17:53.478
So it's kind of cool.
01:17:53.958 --> 01:17:54.198
Nice.
01:17:55.440 --> 01:17:58.024
I, yeah, all right, so I guess this is how I'll have to do it.
01:17:58.024 --> 01:18:01.618
I'll keep my phone set up with the with the comments streaming so I can at least read.
01:18:01.618 --> 01:18:05.618
You guys, I hate that locals doesn't allow you to pop comments up.
01:18:05.618 --> 01:18:06.539
Yeah, it's the one thing.
01:18:06.539 --> 01:18:07.282
They get rid of that.
01:18:08.431 --> 01:18:12.220
No, it's just the there's no integration between stream yard and locals.
01:18:12.260 --> 01:18:14.396
Yeah, oh that's, that's lame.
01:18:15.909 --> 01:18:17.173
So the so the Mel interview.
01:18:17.173 --> 01:18:26.596
So I wanted to ask Mel a lot of things about other movies, like I wanted to talk to him about apocalyptic.
01:18:26.596 --> 01:18:39.322
I wanted to talk to him about a few other things, but Father Nick's look, this is his friendship right and he asked him to come on to speak about a hacksaw Ridge.
01:18:40.029 --> 01:18:42.279
So, when I asked Father Nick's ahead of time, I was like.
01:18:42.279 --> 01:18:44.710
I was like, can I ask him a few things about apocalyptic?
01:18:44.710 --> 01:18:56.873
You know, I wanted to like, I wanted to ask him if you think he was just like, look, he's like, it's not that I think he'd have a problem with it, it's just that, because I told him that we wanted to talk to him about that, I kind of just want to stick to that.
01:18:56.873 --> 01:19:01.011
So people that are like what do they were people in the comments like what a missed opportunity.
01:19:01.011 --> 01:19:02.396
You didn't ask him about the resurrection.
01:19:02.396 --> 01:19:05.939
You know everyone asks him about the resurrection.
01:19:05.939 --> 01:19:09.635
There's no update on the resurrection right now, Like the movies happening.
01:19:09.635 --> 01:19:11.435
That's all that he can say.
01:19:11.435 --> 01:19:18.458
And I didn't want to burn a bridge Like when, when the resurrection comes out, I would like to get the resurrection interview.
01:19:18.458 --> 01:19:31.137
So we had to be very careful about it, right, and my question that I wanted to ask him, not even about apocalyptic, though in the stream I'm I started to ask him.
01:19:32.711 --> 01:19:50.399
I started saying to him how do you, how do you go about not making a movie with faith as the topic and not make it cheesy like the Protestants do, with a bang over the head with the you know, Jesus is your personal Lord and savior, kind of stuff?
01:19:50.399 --> 01:19:54.198
And as I asked him, he loses his connection with us.
01:19:54.198 --> 01:19:55.041
He's got a phone call.
01:19:55.712 --> 01:19:56.831
Oh, that's right, that was.
01:19:56.831 --> 01:19:59.518
That wasn't the other question I'm thinking of.
01:19:59.958 --> 01:20:00.180
Right.
01:20:00.180 --> 01:20:05.859
So so the phone, so the thing, drops out and he comes back on and I have to re ask the question.
01:20:05.859 --> 01:20:14.251
I didn't word it right and it was like I got like nervous and I didn't word it right and it was about like the pandemic and you know.
01:20:14.369 --> 01:20:16.990
You know it ended up being like you're like this.
01:20:16.990 --> 01:20:21.137
You know this guy in here wasn't Catholic, but you know he still shows.
01:20:21.297 --> 01:20:24.856
You know, virtue like no, no, no, that's a different question that we didn't get.
01:20:25.810 --> 01:20:26.994
That's a question we didn't hear.
01:20:27.791 --> 01:20:59.891
So there's a there's, there's a segment we cut out and it was because we thought brads would take Mel out of context and like we were just being super careful, like I didn't, I didn't want, like I was I when, when I had watched the movie with my wife, my me and my wife were like talking about it, she's like, well, I know he's not, you know he's not Catholic, but like what he did was very saintly, you know, it was like very saintly what he did, yeah, natural virtue, right, it was.
01:20:59.891 --> 01:20:59.952
So.
01:20:59.952 --> 01:21:05.462
I was like, so I guess, like God does Give grace to people in certain situations.
01:21:05.462 --> 01:21:11.157
Even, you know, I didn't mean for it to go down the our non-Catholic saved thing.
01:21:11.157 --> 01:21:14.162
And Mel didn't answer in the affirmative that they are or anything.
01:21:14.162 --> 01:21:20.481
He told a personal story about something that just sounded a little, a little off.
01:21:21.250 --> 01:21:23.551
So we were like little indifference, is that?
01:21:23.591 --> 01:21:30.956
perhaps not so much that it wasn't indifferent, no, it was more from a Jesuit.
01:21:31.115 --> 01:21:31.797
Let's just say that.
01:21:32.158 --> 01:21:35.016
Okay, Something about a Jesuit.
01:21:35.016 --> 01:21:40.622
So we just like, look, let's, let's, maybe one day we'll release that short clip.
01:21:40.622 --> 01:21:43.078
Well, I'd have to get Father Nick's permission first.
01:21:43.078 --> 01:21:44.797
I would never release it without his permission.
01:21:44.797 --> 01:21:49.115
But, like on the locals, we might, but I would have to absolutely have his permission.
01:21:49.115 --> 01:21:51.516
But yeah, so that's a little bit of the backstory.
01:21:51.516 --> 01:21:59.337
I wanted to talk to him about Apocalypse though, because that movie shows the pre-Christian world in the Americas, right.
01:21:59.337 --> 01:22:04.692
So we've talked about that pagan world so much on this channel and that movie.
01:22:04.692 --> 01:22:18.600
When I saw it the first time, that was the start of my interest in oh wait a minute like pre-Christian world, like people really take Christianity for granted, Like this is what it looks like before Christ comes.
01:22:18.890 --> 01:22:24.100
What's interesting is we're seeing that same world returning, like Haiti right now.
01:22:24.100 --> 01:22:25.202
Yes, exactly.
01:22:26.630 --> 01:22:34.594
And when Mel made this movie, I've heard him saying in an interview like I made that movie to show the future, like he wasn't even.
01:22:34.594 --> 01:22:41.155
Yeah, he was trying to show the past, but he was like this is the future, like this is where we're going, and I wanted to ask him about that.
01:22:41.155 --> 01:23:02.094
But Father Nick's was he didn't want to, he didn't want to overstep, and the other thing was he was like you know, I'm worried that as a Catholic priest recommending apocalyptic people and there's a whole lot of indigenous nudity in it and stuff he wasn't, he hadn't seen it in years, so he was unsure.
01:23:02.404 --> 01:23:02.988
Yeah, he wasn't.
01:23:02.988 --> 01:23:12.707
Oh, he didn't want to encourage it, but at the same time, like wasn't he never said it?
01:23:12.707 --> 01:23:15.274
Like it was absolutely morally like wrong?
01:23:15.604 --> 01:23:21.113
No, no, no he didn't want people to misperceive him Like people will take things so out of context on either.
01:23:21.113 --> 01:23:22.971
I was like, oh they'll be.
01:23:22.992 --> 01:23:40.912
Like look, father Nick's is recommending that Like you gotta be really super careful as a priest, because people will take you out of context and, for instance he gave a, he did a slight blurb about Mass of the Ages three on his Facebook and of course he gets someone in there who completely misreads his comment.
01:23:40.912 --> 01:23:44.792
It's like are you saying you know, all of Nova's Ordo priests are invalid?
01:23:44.792 --> 01:23:46.506
Oh, who's your bishop, you know?
01:23:46.506 --> 01:23:47.850
Are you in good standing with your diocese?
01:23:47.869 --> 01:23:49.274
He's like oh my gosh, okay, boomer, chill.
01:23:49.274 --> 01:23:52.054
Yeah, good discretion.
01:23:52.054 --> 01:24:09.073
But no, I think you bring up a good point, anthony, because it's like that movie I've only seen some clips of it, I've not seen the whole thing, but it's so interesting, like just to sit there and think about what the pre-Christian world was like and the horror of what it will become again.
01:24:09.744 --> 01:24:11.256
Anthony, you're having a post comment.
01:24:11.256 --> 01:24:12.349
Yeah, oh my gosh.
01:24:13.484 --> 01:24:14.229
What was this comment?
01:24:14.229 --> 01:24:16.650
He was the pre-Christian world.
01:24:17.145 --> 01:24:22.769
He's out for Harambe, so what was?
01:24:22.828 --> 01:24:23.993
ironic, Anthony, about.
01:24:23.993 --> 01:24:27.875
About Father Nick's saying that on.
01:24:27.875 --> 01:24:36.789
It was on the live stream we did after that about not wanting to show show any pre-Christian nudity.
01:24:36.789 --> 01:24:40.905
Within 24 hours you post an image from the mission on.
01:24:40.926 --> 01:24:43.373
Twitter in the background there's topless women.
01:24:43.373 --> 01:24:56.356
All I did was I looked for Google image the mission and I just, I just, you know screenshot of it and I drew it up, not even realizing that there's an indigenous topless woman in the photo.
01:24:56.356 --> 01:24:58.230
And I'm like join us with Father Nick.
01:24:58.230 --> 01:25:02.438
So I'm like, oh, no.
01:25:03.301 --> 01:25:03.802
Oh no.
01:25:04.704 --> 01:25:09.555
So like that is going to come up because there is indigenous nudity in the mission also.
01:25:09.555 --> 01:25:10.708
But it's dude.
01:25:10.708 --> 01:25:16.775
Well, like I was talking to, I was talking to Father Nick's about it and I'm like there's nothing lustful about this depiction.
01:25:16.775 --> 01:25:17.306
Like it's.
01:25:17.306 --> 01:25:24.094
I don't know why, but when you see an indigenous topless person there's, your mind just doesn't go there.
01:25:24.094 --> 01:25:29.091
It's just, this is what it was right, it's just what it was.
01:25:30.226 --> 01:25:35.185
It's hard to depict reality when I don't know it.
01:25:35.185 --> 01:25:38.454
Just my mind does not even remotely go there when I see that movie.
01:25:38.765 --> 01:25:47.951
It's so hard because it's like, on the one hand you know, like you hear typically this debate in a different context there's they'll say stuff like well, what about all of it?
01:25:47.951 --> 01:26:04.733
Like the Greek art back in the day, or stuff in the assisting chapel right, I agree the Renaissance style art, but the thing is is like even though you see that even inside of church buildings, when you read every single moral manual, they'll even discourage that They'll talk about, like various problems with it.
01:26:04.733 --> 01:26:07.109
Sometimes they'll talk about lust, oftentimes they'll talk more about.
01:26:07.128 --> 01:26:13.572
Like the book, I do think there is a problem with depicting a woman nude in art.
01:26:13.572 --> 01:26:18.609
Like I do think some of that imagery in the assisting chapel is wrong.
01:26:18.829 --> 01:26:19.251
Like I do.
01:26:19.251 --> 01:26:21.128
I don't even call it out in.
01:26:21.128 --> 01:26:22.212
They've uncrowned him.
01:26:23.505 --> 01:26:29.448
I don't like any images of our lady breastfeeding the child Jesus.
01:26:29.845 --> 01:26:35.694
You know how much you know how much yeah yeah, I was like you know how much, how much, how much.
01:26:35.694 --> 01:26:42.792
I got absolutely attacked for this debate inside of this, in our own telegram In your own telegram.
01:26:42.792 --> 01:26:44.256
I think it's filthy, I don't care.
01:26:44.704 --> 01:26:45.922
I don't like it.
01:26:46.045 --> 01:26:54.712
Well, see the thing is, I don't like it either, but I'm just saying you know, tonight, anthony, you're going to go sleep and we're all going to wake up and there's going to be a horse head in your bed.
01:26:54.712 --> 01:26:58.292
I don't care, I think there's something wrong with even.
01:26:59.064 --> 01:27:03.690
I think in the Renaissance it was almost like a return to pornography, when they were creating that art.
01:27:03.885 --> 01:27:05.010
It was the second pornography.
01:27:05.605 --> 01:27:17.335
It was a return to pornography and they were dabbling into back with these Greek arts and things like that, even on the assisting chapel, the idea of depicting an image of the father.
01:27:17.335 --> 01:27:26.332
That's why I was wondering about like somebody having an apparition of the father, like there's something different about depicting the father from the son.
01:27:26.332 --> 01:27:29.814
Right, like the son is the icon of God.
01:27:29.814 --> 01:27:39.649
Right, so God makes an icon of himself in the son, where depicting the father like the father is not like a human form.
01:27:39.984 --> 01:27:41.591
Like the father is so beyond.
01:27:42.746 --> 01:27:45.335
It's like anybody who sees the face of God will die.
01:27:45.335 --> 01:27:52.811
You know, like this month it's supposed to be something ineffable about the image of the father, like the father is being itself.
01:27:52.811 --> 01:27:54.426
It's I don't know.
01:27:54.426 --> 01:27:55.813
It's supposed to be indescribable.
01:27:55.813 --> 01:27:59.588
In a way, it's supposed to not be able to be translated into an image.
01:27:59.588 --> 01:28:02.345
Yeah, he.
01:28:04.368 --> 01:28:06.734
Yeah, it's interesting, but yeah, I know I agree with you.
01:28:06.734 --> 01:28:44.351
I think that in general, I mean the basic gist of what I got to with a lot of these people was, even if it is, say like, let's just say for safe story, not a sin we were talking about this in the context of public breastfeeding, like should a woman be uncovered or not and I said, well, on the one hand, like, while I don't think it's necessarily a sin, like in and of itself, like the action in and of itself, you have to at least be truly charitable and prudent when it comes to your neighbor and recognize that, especially right in an over sexualized culture, as, on top of just being a male, right, men and women are different and so you just need to be considerate, you know for that, and to think ahead about it.
01:28:45.005 --> 01:28:46.069
And I think there are women.
01:28:46.069 --> 01:28:50.069
Wait, there were people arguing that a woman shouldn't even cover herself while she's doing it.
01:28:50.664 --> 01:28:51.528
So yeah, no yeah.
01:28:51.528 --> 01:29:00.408
They said it should be uncovered, even in public, and they got so mad at me that they changed all their profiles to images of our lady breastfeeding uncovered to try to troll me.
01:29:00.408 --> 01:29:02.479
Oh, I don't like that.
01:29:02.479 --> 01:29:11.231
And to me, aside from the fact that, well, what made me upset about it was not so much that, like, they were passionate about their position, that was okay, we can debate it out, that's fine.
01:29:11.231 --> 01:29:20.648
But what made me upset about it was the fact that they started kind of degrading my age and my gender and I was setting, like the doctors of the church, moral manuals.
01:29:20.648 --> 01:29:23.609
I was trying to like use reason, and then they just started kind of going to the age.
01:29:23.649 --> 01:29:26.511
I'll tell you right now it's when my wife was breastfeeding.
01:29:26.511 --> 01:29:30.255
I would not have wanted her just out in the open doing that, Right.
01:29:30.255 --> 01:29:39.212
And I think of my 17 year old son 18 year old son out in public and of a woman's doing that like I'm sorry we are in an over sexualized culture.
01:29:39.212 --> 01:29:41.493
I'm gonna get eaten alive for this too, I guess.
01:29:41.493 --> 01:29:45.493
But I would just think just common decency would just be to cover up a little bit.
01:29:46.213 --> 01:29:46.724
That's what I said.
01:29:46.724 --> 01:29:47.750
I even gave the example.
01:29:47.750 --> 01:29:50.927
I said like it's one thing if you're in your home with your family, like it is what it is.
01:29:50.948 --> 01:29:51.288
Oh yeah, of course.
01:29:52.345 --> 01:29:53.369
But I said, like, think about this.
01:29:53.369 --> 01:30:09.645
I said what if you had like one male friend or something come over to the house, right, he comes over to the house and then the wife just decides to do breastfeeding right there, open and uncovered If you're the male, just sitting across the living room couch, if you will like, think about how uncomfortable that is in that situation.
01:30:09.645 --> 01:30:16.914
Yeah, if you're the man, yeah, if you're the man, like that's weird, that's super weird and thankfully I've never been in that situation.
01:30:16.914 --> 01:30:29.087
I took that from a real life example of I have plenty of friends who are new mothers, right, but when I go over to their house and it's time for the baby to nurse, they'll put a cover on and you continue the conversation and it's fine.
01:30:29.087 --> 01:30:30.050
You don't have to make it weird.
01:30:30.050 --> 01:30:31.172
So I'm-.
01:30:32.006 --> 01:30:34.432
Wait, somebody said why do you guys have women in your chat?
01:30:35.244 --> 01:30:37.317
Don't worry, the better chat is the men's only chat.
01:30:37.317 --> 01:30:38.585
It's all guns and bags.
01:30:39.146 --> 01:30:40.431
It is a very sensitive subject.
01:30:40.431 --> 01:30:49.886
I can understand like you're saying, like I'm not condemning people that do this, it's not, we're just giving our, our point of view on it, that's all.
01:30:49.886 --> 01:30:50.649
Like you got.
01:30:50.649 --> 01:30:56.734
Like, what me and Rob realized in our co-sleeping debate is like these are not statements of judgment, right?
01:30:56.734 --> 01:31:02.993
Like Rob wasn't judging me that I didn't co-sleep with my kids, I wasn't judging him that he'd co-slap with his kids.
01:31:02.993 --> 01:31:10.469
These are just positions that you have and you like, you guys, like people, have to learn to disagree again without taking it personal and getting offended by it.
01:31:10.725 --> 01:31:16.292
I've had that happen with Margo a few times, where I said something like a general statement and Margo took it personally.
01:31:16.292 --> 01:31:17.170
And it's like Margo, I'm not.
01:31:17.170 --> 01:31:25.551
I'm not like sometimes, especially I'm I'm going with the route of humor and I'm trying to, you know, be a little hyperbolic and outlandish.
01:31:25.551 --> 01:31:31.434
And she's been offended by some things I've said, when my intent would never be to offend somebody.
01:31:31.434 --> 01:31:32.106
I don't.
01:31:32.106 --> 01:31:39.431
And look, I think if some women are passionate about this, I totally get that, I get the argument right.
01:31:39.431 --> 01:31:42.546
They're saying like this is something that's just very natural.
01:31:42.546 --> 01:31:45.948
God has given women the ability to feed their children.
01:31:45.948 --> 01:31:52.108
I just would, I would not feel comfortable with my wife just was breastfeeding out in public, like that I would.
01:31:52.108 --> 01:31:53.953
I would prefer she covered a little.
01:31:54.465 --> 01:31:59.824
Yeah, cause what I would say in that is like, yeah, that's a natural action, but because we've fallen a fallen world, we gotta be like.
01:31:59.824 --> 01:32:17.192
We gotta put our neighbors' salvation and our own salvation on priority and just say like, look, if we're in this hypersexualized culture where over 30% of the internet traffic is true in pure websites, man, you gotta be careful, right, you just gotta be careful, and so that's why you just be considerate.
01:32:19.984 --> 01:32:20.606
How about you, Rob?
01:32:20.606 --> 01:32:24.703
You tell you have an opinion on this, or you don't wanna even dive into it.
01:32:24.703 --> 01:32:26.953
Well, on what?
01:32:27.105 --> 01:32:44.112
On breastfeeding in public he's still so seething and mad he just heard he just heard coast sleeping and he's just blotted out, so I mean there are some arguments about the possible not dangers, but negative effects of like fully covering while breastfeeding.
01:32:44.112 --> 01:32:54.270
But all I'll say is like obviously I have a wife who breastfies our children, and clothing has come far enough where you're able to do it uncovered, without showing anything at all.
01:32:54.270 --> 01:33:02.073
So I really don't think there's any real good excuse for like openly exposing yourself while breastfeeding.
01:33:02.073 --> 01:33:05.533
But so that's just my only take on it.
01:33:06.614 --> 01:33:08.268
Yeah, man, I was hoping you were gonna go hard.
01:33:08.268 --> 01:33:10.048
Devil's advocate, we could brew up another fight.
01:33:12.225 --> 01:33:13.470
Just don't get the opposite position.
01:33:13.864 --> 01:33:14.367
No, I just think.
01:33:14.367 --> 01:33:28.988
I think it's a matter of modesty and a matter of just being considerate, you know, just like being considerate of other people not wanting to maybe see that, you know it's, I know, I know it's.
01:33:28.988 --> 01:33:31.376
I would never say women shouldn't breastfeed in public.
01:33:31.376 --> 01:33:34.088
I would just say just be cautious about it and try to cover up the best you can.
01:33:34.088 --> 01:33:37.546
If it's impossible, it's impossible, but do your best, you know.
01:33:37.546 --> 01:33:42.734
It's just one of those things you do your best to not be.
01:33:44.228 --> 01:33:47.832
Yeah, it's not a matter of right or wrong, it's a matter of just what's better.
01:33:48.864 --> 01:33:49.788
Yeah, I agree.
01:33:50.666 --> 01:33:56.610
Okay, all right, nick, let's hear what was your main critique of Tim today.
01:33:57.444 --> 01:33:59.533
Well that you know he's systematic uncharitable.
01:33:59.533 --> 01:34:00.649
Yeah, he won.
01:34:02.104 --> 01:34:10.375
I'm sure most of the people in his camp in the you know the meaning of Catholic board would accuse you of that.
01:34:10.904 --> 01:34:36.033
Yeah, probably, yeah, probably, you're not going to lie, but you know, essentially, basically, there was like three or four days ago he wrote an article on one Peter five, I think it's called, the FSSP is playing the long game, and the basic gist of the article was going over that discussion that the fraternity is French superiors were having with Pope Francis last week, where there was all that scuttle but about, you know, are they going to be canceled?
01:34:36.033 --> 01:34:38.167
Are they going to be forced to say the new mass, what's going to happen?
01:34:38.167 --> 01:34:42.435
And basically he just gives a news, take on it to describe the events.
01:34:42.435 --> 01:34:50.689
But then near the end, he said something that caused a lot of controversy in certain circles, which was essentially that you know, we should, you know, unite the clans.
01:34:50.689 --> 01:35:03.251
But then in his discussion about it he said you know, I respect Trads who, because of their conscience, can't go to the new mass and refuse to go, and then I also respect Trads who, in their conscience, decide to practice it and to go.
01:35:04.164 --> 01:35:30.932
And so my criticism was boarding around the lines of I fundamentally think that at least his position is not seeing the crisis for what it is, which is that the crisis is not so much about the liturgy, although the liturgy is a main staple of it, but it's primarily about doctrine and the doctrine, the erroneous doctrines, that come forth from according to the classic traditionalist position the Second Vatican Council and all the reforms from it.
01:35:30.932 --> 01:35:42.631
And so, basically, I felt like his take was a bit indifferentistic and placing on this pedestal the idea of unite the clans, but without any type of actual firm foundation on what are we uniting on.
01:35:42.631 --> 01:35:49.512
So he didn't want us to divide over things he saw as unnecessary, but I saw the new mass issue as something that is actually necessary to talk about.
01:35:49.625 --> 01:35:50.569
Okay, I wanna jump in here.
01:35:50.569 --> 01:35:51.890
I'm gonna tell you what that is.
01:35:51.890 --> 01:35:54.189
This is a temperament thing too.
01:35:54.189 --> 01:36:11.471
Okay, so, because I share that with Tim, like I think I agree with you in principle but my desire for unity in just you're right, like what are we uniting around?
01:36:11.471 --> 01:36:28.829
But I hate not being able to have just simple brotherly Christian, christian brotherly love toward the idea of not being in communion with a Catholic or ghost of the novus order was a hard thing for me to.
01:36:28.829 --> 01:36:37.007
I like the idea of unite the clans, even though I think it's kind of like idealistic and a pipe dream.
01:36:37.007 --> 01:36:41.162
But I don't think that.
01:36:41.162 --> 01:36:48.060
I don't think the average Catholic actually gets into the weeds like somebody like you would.
01:36:48.060 --> 01:36:50.164
Where you're really like, okay, this is a doctrinal issue.
01:36:50.164 --> 01:36:55.917
I think your average Catholic is just going to Mass and trying to be a saint the best they can.
01:36:55.917 --> 01:37:07.145
And I think for Tim it's a temperament thing Like he, just he wants to build some kind of brotherly love, of like Christian fraternity with other, with other Catholics, I think.
01:37:07.586 --> 01:37:09.171
I agree and you're probably right.
01:37:09.171 --> 01:37:14.164
Like I think, outside of society circles where it's actually preached that this is a doctrinal problem, you just don't see that.
01:37:14.164 --> 01:37:28.164
You don't see that obviously at like fraternity or institute parishes or diocesan TLMs Like probably you're parish Anthony, you don't hear your priests actively get up at least once a month and say some negative comment about the new Mass or about the Council, like I do.
01:37:28.164 --> 01:37:29.811
I hear that maybe once a month or so.
01:37:30.164 --> 01:37:31.145
I think I hear the opposite.
01:37:31.145 --> 01:37:36.573
I hear about how the I hear the Benedict line of how the old can enrich the new.
01:37:36.573 --> 01:37:41.020
You know how the two forms can enrich each other, which is total nonsense.
01:37:41.948 --> 01:37:45.699
I'm still trying to figure out what we got aside from all the people who left.
01:37:45.699 --> 01:37:50.613
You know we didn't really get anything, but yeah, no, so my thing wouldn't be and I said this in the video.
01:37:50.613 --> 01:37:55.164
I'm not condemning anyone who goes to the new Mass or goes to any of these ecclesiastical groups or anything like that.
01:37:55.164 --> 01:38:07.164
My point is that if we're going to be in communion, what that means, according to the Catholic Church's own teaching, is that we're all unified in doctrine, sacraments and fellowship underneath the Roman Pontiff.
01:38:07.164 --> 01:38:25.164
And my point is that the new Concealier Church doesn't even believe in the classic, historic Catholic position on a myriad of issues, right and so, therefore, the question it's uncomfortable but it's a good question Are they Catholic and are they being systematic against the previous pontificates?
01:38:25.525 --> 01:38:29.238
Because you like we, always fear this idea of you know or the.
01:38:29.238 --> 01:38:31.609
We always have the idea of being community with your local bishop and the Pope, and I agree with that.
01:38:31.609 --> 01:38:38.136
You do want to be in communion with them, but that communion also has to be in union with what they're teaching and believing.
01:38:38.136 --> 01:38:46.164
And if what they're teaching and believing is stuff like fiducia, I'm sorry, then there's already some type of small as first Corinthians style system going on.
01:38:46.164 --> 01:38:55.145
So I want that union, but it has to be based on something, has to be on a firmer foundation than sentimentality, and so I don't think we should treat each other degrading at all or see ourselves.
01:38:55.546 --> 01:38:59.131
Yeah, like, I think, I think, even the like.
01:38:59.131 --> 01:39:04.140
I don't necessarily ascribe to your position totally.
01:39:04.140 --> 01:39:11.716
I do understand what you're saying and it makes me think, but our disagreement would never make me not like love.
01:39:11.716 --> 01:39:13.600
Yeah, you know what I mean.
01:39:14.685 --> 01:39:26.145
Yeah, and that's why, like some people don't understand how I put up with Fowler and banister Right, and it's like I don't say that we're like in an necessarily friends, like buddy, buddy, you know, just hanging out all the time.
01:39:26.145 --> 01:39:35.164
But the reason I stick around and continue to engage in dialogue is because, you know, I hope that at the end of the day we can have good foundational discussions and dialogue.
01:39:35.966 --> 01:39:38.293
Even if it's not disagree strongly.
01:39:38.293 --> 01:39:39.095
I don't see money.
01:39:40.396 --> 01:39:44.610
Oh, I can pay nothing, so I don't know it's a but yeah, that's it.
01:39:45.185 --> 01:39:58.293
Jeremiah is a tricky one because I know him and I fundamentally disagree on things, but like he's starting to say things publicly about us and it's like just like, keep your opinion to yourself.
01:39:59.324 --> 01:40:03.971
Yeah, and that's why, like, or if you're you ever going to say something, do it kind of like I did today, which it's like.
01:40:03.971 --> 01:40:12.564
You know, if you disagree, talk about like a position, but then don't be running off and saying crypto said a, or systematic, or Protestant and stuff like that.
01:40:12.564 --> 01:40:13.164
I mean all kinds of.
01:40:14.048 --> 01:40:24.099
Yeah, I don't like that he's doing that because I do love Jeremiah as a person, like I you know he was dealing with something with his son recently and like I care about him and his family and what he's going through.
01:40:24.099 --> 01:40:46.145
But to in his, in his paleocrat chat, just throw me under the bus, like like these guys have just gone to, to beyond the pale of anything I could consider, it's like dude, like I think the problem is that, like again, you know from his position, he really does believe that there is some form of major continuity between all these popes.
01:40:46.326 --> 01:40:52.835
And if the Pope says it, it just has to be done and that's just fundamentally not what the Catholic Church teaches.
01:40:52.835 --> 01:40:54.046
And that's what you know.
01:40:54.046 --> 01:41:01.599
I don't want to get on my high horse and be like Jeremiah why don't you read a day at Clasium, annual, one day, just on the church, and actually, you know, crack it open or something.
01:41:01.599 --> 01:41:15.658
But you know, I agree, it's like I think we can all get along, like on the natural level you know what I'm saying and even on a supernatural level there's some basic charity of things like, you know, praying for one another, trying to encourage one another, talking with one another, that's all good stuff.
01:41:15.658 --> 01:41:21.837
I just think that the unite, the Klan's message, which is essential to one Peter five, has to be improved more, you know.
01:41:22.586 --> 01:41:25.114
Yeah, they got to figure out what they're uniting around.
01:41:25.114 --> 01:41:26.751
You're 100% right on that.
01:41:26.751 --> 01:41:34.487
Look, I like I like the idea of like not bashing other Catholics, right, that's one of the main thing.
01:41:34.487 --> 01:41:35.769
I try not to do, that to like.
01:41:35.769 --> 01:41:43.579
I like I don't necessarily agree with everything every other creator is doing, but I try not to ever get personal and I try not to.
01:41:43.579 --> 01:41:45.128
I try like dude.
01:41:45.128 --> 01:41:49.164
Like I disagree with Matt frat on a bunch of things, but he's still my Christian brother.
01:41:49.164 --> 01:41:54.037
So it's like, yeah, come on and have a conversation like same thing with with Trent Horn.
01:41:54.037 --> 01:42:07.994
Like I mean, I fundamentally disagree with Trent Horn on several issues, but I still love him as a Christian brother and I wanted to bring him on and have a kind of say I'm going to have him back on right the, and I kind of saw that at least while he's got more subs in us.
01:42:09.525 --> 01:42:13.934
No, I genuinely like Trent man, like he's me and him talk a decent amount.
01:42:13.934 --> 01:42:14.976
Like he.
01:42:14.976 --> 01:42:16.038
I genuinely like him.
01:42:16.038 --> 01:42:17.610
I think what he's doing is very important.
01:42:17.610 --> 01:42:19.186
I think that's a lot of people into the church.
01:42:19.186 --> 01:42:28.364
I just think there's very big differences in approaches and, you know, with certain with certain things, that's all.
01:42:28.364 --> 01:42:36.533
But it doesn't mean I don't love him as a Christian brother and the I saw that with Tucker and Cuomo interview.
01:42:38.046 --> 01:42:40.188
We're talking and it's like these guys were so far apart.
01:42:40.188 --> 01:42:45.253
Like I see, the biggest issue going on right now is when somebody doesn't agree with you totally.
01:42:45.253 --> 01:42:46.994
It's like they're not part of the team.
01:42:46.994 --> 01:42:58.811
It's like that is what scares me about the trad movement sometimes is is that they they get very clicky and they're like well, this person doesn't agree with me on every single thing, so I can't even talk to this brand like it's.
01:42:58.811 --> 01:43:01.096
It's almost like a leftist perspective.
01:43:01.096 --> 01:43:04.164
It's like, yeah, don't need to agree with everybody on every single thing.
01:43:04.164 --> 01:43:13.164
Like I learn things from talking to people that I just like me and you have a conversation and I'm actually like oh wow, he's got a pretty significant point there.
01:43:13.164 --> 01:43:17.472
Like how do you learn something if you're just like that person's not on my team?
01:43:17.873 --> 01:43:18.333
100%.
01:43:18.333 --> 01:43:22.100
It's like what I call like right wing, like purity tests, if you will like.
01:43:22.100 --> 01:43:26.347
You have to agree on 110% or you out of the group, and that's just not how it works.
01:43:26.347 --> 01:43:31.076
And so it's like no one's even asking you for you to like concede a point.
01:43:31.076 --> 01:43:36.564
What they're just asking you is will you discuss it and at least be open to being wrong?
01:43:36.564 --> 01:43:38.886
Is having that humility, and I think you're right.
01:43:38.926 --> 01:43:52.164
I think it is a problem in the traditionalist movement where you start to leave even like principled things and you start to wander off into weird stuff, like even what we're talking about a second ago, like when it comes to public breastfeeding and stuff like that, whether it should be cloth or uncloth.
01:43:52.164 --> 01:44:01.960
I'm sure there's people out there who are like unless you agree with me on this, we're done, we're not going to talk, and that's a problem and I think that it really does, at the end of the day, do more harm than good.
01:44:01.960 --> 01:44:06.051
But it is an interesting point when it comes to uniting the clans, like what are we uniting under?
01:44:06.051 --> 01:44:08.917
So he kind of mentions in the article and this something brought up.
01:44:08.917 --> 01:44:13.145
He says like we all want to get the Latin master stored and we all want to preserve tradition.
01:44:13.966 --> 01:44:25.063
I'm like, okay, you know that's solid, but the big sticking point, at least on paper, between the society and then all the other groups is the new mass and the council.
01:44:25.063 --> 01:44:26.164
That's the, that's the sticking point.
01:44:26.164 --> 01:44:40.289
And I think that you know, if we are going to have some type of fruitful dialogue between all the groups and get them to unite maybe we don't get them all to unite on things like the specifics Maybe we can get them to unite on things like the council.
01:44:40.289 --> 01:44:44.875
Some of us say it's erroneous, some of us say it's at least problematic in its language.
01:44:44.875 --> 01:44:46.577
Can we at least agree on that?
01:44:46.577 --> 01:44:52.043
You know that we can agree to disagree on the finer point, but we can agree that it's at least has been an issue.
01:44:52.043 --> 01:44:53.164
It's at least been an issue.
01:44:53.605 --> 01:45:02.707
I don't see how anybody could not at least admit there's a problem there, like there's a problem, something happened at that council, exactly.
01:45:02.707 --> 01:45:08.164
But then it's like okay, there's a clearly a different thing after the council.
01:45:09.025 --> 01:45:09.426
Exactly.
01:45:09.426 --> 01:45:10.988
And so it's like can we agree on that?
01:45:10.988 --> 01:45:11.988
Can we agree on that?
01:45:11.988 --> 01:45:16.314
At least the new mass has been more so problematic than helpful.
01:45:16.314 --> 01:45:21.921
We can get in, we can tune and debate those finer points if we want, but at least been somewhat or more so problematic.
01:45:21.921 --> 01:45:31.559
That's what I think would be good, and so that's kind of what my point of my video was with Tim and yeah, I messaged him previous and I was like bro, this is not an attack video, Don't take it this way.
01:45:31.559 --> 01:45:33.226
I think we should do.
01:45:33.887 --> 01:45:40.641
I think we should have you and Tim on together and show how to have these conversations Like that's like we should do something all together.
01:45:40.641 --> 01:45:42.145
I'll see if Tim's free next Tuesday.
01:45:43.012 --> 01:45:44.125
Yeah, that'd be cool, let's do it.
01:45:44.125 --> 01:45:44.927
What do we do, are you?
01:45:44.948 --> 01:45:45.630
free next Tuesday.
01:45:46.192 --> 01:45:46.351
Yeah.
01:45:46.613 --> 01:45:47.605
I'm good, so I'll.
01:45:47.605 --> 01:45:48.828
I'll ask him if he's free.
01:45:48.828 --> 01:45:54.878
Maybe the four of us could just sit down and have this guy, because I I we're totally naming it FSSB versus SSB.
01:45:59.391 --> 01:45:59.912
Tim comes on.
01:45:59.912 --> 01:46:00.252
He's like.
01:46:00.252 --> 01:46:02.818
I'm actually neither I'm Eastern Catholic.
01:46:02.818 --> 01:46:03.899
That has to go to the new master.
01:46:04.185 --> 01:46:06.132
He's the diocesan TLM guy.
01:46:06.185 --> 01:46:08.306
Yeah, no, he is yeah, and see this the thing.
01:46:08.306 --> 01:46:15.953
I love that at least Tim is upfront and plays his cards right, Cause some people I think unjustly accused him of like being this snake oil salesman.
01:46:15.953 --> 01:46:17.315
I've seen people do that where they'll be.
01:46:17.315 --> 01:46:21.179
Like you know, he tries to placate to the trads on the meat or on.
01:46:21.219 --> 01:46:22.720
Probably don't want to do an X Tuesday.
01:46:23.841 --> 01:46:24.967
Why Mass of the?
01:46:25.028 --> 01:46:26.847
ages premiere oh yeah.
01:46:29.207 --> 01:46:30.572
Which will cause some controversy.
01:46:30.572 --> 01:46:32.095
I'm just going to say someone who's watched it.
01:46:32.365 --> 01:46:34.520
Yeah, it sounds like they take an anti SSB X.
01:46:34.520 --> 01:46:37.025
Take on it they take somewhat.
01:46:37.046 --> 01:47:04.023
they take a few pot shots, they they do a decent job in the beginning outlining it, but then they kind of go off into the world of and this is again where I say this, again with all respect to Tim, but like I can definitely see where kind of more of Tim's more pro rats and Gary and flavors kind of come out as he's been involved with the project, because there's a lot of priests and discussions where it's just like you know, the new mass has some problems, but the council, oh my goodness, you know so, so based and epic.
01:47:04.023 --> 01:47:15.939
And then you're just sitting there thinking all of these reforms literally cite the council and are promulgated by the same guys who are at the council, and all of Pope Francis's stuff either sites himself or the council.
01:47:15.939 --> 01:47:17.541
I'll tell you what I'm happy, I'm happy.
01:47:18.685 --> 01:47:21.192
I'm, in a way, I'm happy that Cameron blew me off.
01:47:21.192 --> 01:47:23.315
Oh, did he blow you off?
01:47:23.315 --> 01:47:23.997
You know, come on.
01:47:23.997 --> 01:47:25.791
Oh yeah, cameron, cameron's blown us off.
01:47:25.791 --> 01:47:27.467
So I'm kind of.
01:47:27.467 --> 01:47:31.797
I'm kind of glad he has, because it frees me up to give an honest critique of it.
01:47:32.244 --> 01:47:34.934
Yeah, I've heard a lot of criticism of this new episode.
01:47:35.405 --> 01:47:37.052
It's been criticized on Kathy feeling news.
01:47:37.345 --> 01:47:42.436
I had a lot of criticisms of episode two and I held back in hopes the camera would come on.
01:47:42.436 --> 01:47:49.125
You know, I wanted to talk to him, but I had a lot of criticisms of episode two, like the goofy voiceovers and things like that.
01:47:49.125 --> 01:47:51.252
I thought part one was phenomenal.
01:47:51.252 --> 01:47:58.137
Part two, I think, was a little goofy with the voices and stuff, but I did like it.
01:47:58.137 --> 01:47:58.765
I think it was.
01:47:58.765 --> 01:48:07.442
But I'm going to give a fully honest critique of this, this part three, because I don't know why not.
01:48:07.983 --> 01:48:13.956
Yeah, I mean, it's got to be honest and that's the thing that, like what I walked away from it was like, cinematically it was amazing.
01:48:13.956 --> 01:48:27.100
All the films are great, but then a lot of the takes they basically lead down to like, hey, mainstream church, can't we like just dialogue and have our TLM and you guys do your thing?
01:48:27.204 --> 01:48:28.750
That's kind of like pleading for pity.
01:48:29.573 --> 01:48:44.860
Yeah and so like, and you know there was a few shots where the way like, so some of the priests in it they would say stuff about Lefeb that wasn't, you know, no SSPX or would be happy about, which it's like you could easily with how short they were, they were like just small stuff.
01:48:44.860 --> 01:48:57.358
You could easily cut that stuff out and broaden your audience and then, nearing the end of it, you know they do mention the fact that the SSPX was asked if they'd want to come on and be interviewed, but the SSPX said no and there's various reasons why they said no.
01:48:57.358 --> 01:48:59.145
It wasn't a diss toward mass ages.
01:48:59.145 --> 01:49:11.164
I know some of the reasons why it wasn't that at all, but the way that it's framed to the average viewer makes it look kind of like you know, oh me the SSPX is very smart about it, so they don't let their priests on social media.
01:49:11.746 --> 01:49:14.673
They're like they're pretty smart about staying out of this stuff.
01:49:15.416 --> 01:49:18.970
Exactly and I think for one of the reasons why is that the SSPX again?
01:49:18.970 --> 01:49:22.478
Because they have this like principled opposition to the new mass into the dark.
01:49:22.478 --> 01:49:34.880
No problems, they'll be like, okay, we don't want to get into tragic humanism where it's just like, hey, we're all buddy buddy because we have the TLM and that's all that matters, and it's like, okay, I don't think we should be hyper exclusivist.
01:49:34.880 --> 01:49:36.145
But also, on the other end, I do agree with you.
01:49:36.145 --> 01:49:39.832
I don't think that we should just be like, oh, there's no problems, it's just aesthetics and stuff.
01:49:39.832 --> 01:49:42.153
So I think we should watch it with an open mind.
01:49:42.153 --> 01:49:50.145
But I do say that I think it's going to have the most controversy of all three films and I do think that it might, in trad circles, alienate more.
01:49:50.466 --> 01:49:51.409
What time does it premiere?
01:49:53.708 --> 01:49:54.972
It's a what was it like?
01:49:54.972 --> 01:50:02.654
He was the middle of the day actually, so if it's in the middle of the day or in the morning, we could totally do something in the evening.
01:50:03.164 --> 01:50:09.052
Alright, so maybe we'll do next week, maybe we'll do Tuesday.
01:50:09.052 --> 01:50:12.257
We'll do the review of the mass of the ages.
01:50:12.257 --> 01:50:12.557
Rob.
01:50:12.557 --> 01:50:16.311
Nick, you want to come up for that, but I want you back on with Tim, maybe on Thursday.
01:50:17.305 --> 01:50:18.569
But it airs on Tuesday.
01:50:18.569 --> 01:50:19.171
How are we going to?
01:50:20.185 --> 01:50:23.164
Well, if it airs in the middle of the day, we can do the review that night.
01:50:23.806 --> 01:50:25.753
I think it might be like more of a night thing.
01:50:25.753 --> 01:50:26.788
I don't know.
01:50:26.788 --> 01:50:27.554
I don't know when it airs.
01:50:27.936 --> 01:50:29.145
The last two he's done.
01:50:29.145 --> 01:50:30.548
Margot says it's going to be in the evening.
01:50:31.350 --> 01:50:31.752
What time is it?
01:50:31.752 --> 01:50:33.988
8 pm Eastern 8 pm Eastern.
01:50:34.007 --> 01:50:38.938
That's rough, so maybe we'll do Wednesday night and Thursday night next week or Monday night and Thursday night.
01:50:40.301 --> 01:50:41.164
What if we did Wednesday and Friday?
01:50:41.164 --> 01:50:41.891
I don't want to be.
01:50:42.135 --> 01:50:43.145
I don't want to be up again.
01:50:43.145 --> 01:50:44.789
I'll be away on Friday.
01:50:44.789 --> 01:50:46.014
I'm going to Florida.
01:50:46.204 --> 01:50:49.083
How about we do Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday?
01:50:49.966 --> 01:50:53.515
No, maybe we'll do a show Monday next week and we'll do a show Thursday.
01:50:53.515 --> 01:50:55.097
That's cool with me.
01:50:55.097 --> 01:50:57.168
I don't know, because I kind of want to review it.
01:51:02.204 --> 01:51:03.930
Anthony Abbate zero stars.
01:51:05.646 --> 01:51:07.073
So we usually go two hours.
01:51:07.073 --> 01:51:11.145
What if we do an hour show, starting at well, how long is the mass of the ages?
01:51:11.145 --> 01:51:12.207
Is it an hour?
01:51:14.546 --> 01:51:17.114
It's like an hour, 20-ish or so.
01:51:17.185 --> 01:51:19.350
What if we just did an hour show once it finished?
01:51:21.476 --> 01:51:21.998
We can do that.
01:51:21.998 --> 01:51:23.667
Yeah, maybe we chill.
01:51:25.586 --> 01:51:30.771
Well, the thing is, I'm off of work Thursday, so I'd rather go late on Wednesday.
01:51:30.771 --> 01:51:34.748
Let's just do Wednesday and Thursday next week, are you all right with that?
01:51:35.288 --> 01:51:35.689
I don't care.
01:51:35.710 --> 01:51:37.432
Yeah, that works All right.
01:51:37.432 --> 01:51:38.854
So, nick, you join us for both shows.
01:51:39.314 --> 01:51:39.796
Sure yeah.
01:51:40.356 --> 01:51:42.560
Okay, so we're going to do Wednesday and Thursday next week.
01:51:42.560 --> 01:51:45.043
I'm going to reach out to Tim and see if Tim wants to come on and chat.
01:51:45.886 --> 01:51:46.747
Cool, that'd be great.
01:51:47.810 --> 01:51:49.613
All right, man, all right, let's wrap this one up.
01:51:49.613 --> 01:51:50.536
I got to get some sleep.
01:51:50.536 --> 01:51:55.140
Nick, I freaking love when you come on, dude, I appreciate it.
01:51:55.140 --> 01:51:56.145
I'm not kidding man.
01:51:56.145 --> 01:51:57.046
You're like.
01:51:57.046 --> 01:52:02.533
I know I say it to you every time, but I like I just enjoy talking to you so much man.
01:52:03.135 --> 01:52:03.876
Hey, I appreciate it.
01:52:03.876 --> 01:52:04.697
I like coming on too.
01:52:04.697 --> 01:52:05.217
It's a lot of fun.
01:52:05.899 --> 01:52:09.164
All right, so we got you Wednesday and Thursday next week.
01:52:09.164 --> 01:52:13.582
This Thursday we got Hitchborn and hopefully we hit 10,000 subs in the next couple of days.
01:52:13.582 --> 01:52:17.935
I'm going to chop that episode up that we did tonight into clips and put it out.
01:52:17.935 --> 01:52:21.125
All right, boys, let's wrap it up.
01:52:21.125 --> 01:52:22.085
See you guys.