Rewire Your Brain using Flow States with Neuroscientist Dr. Lana Morrow

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Hey all, this is Abel James and thanks so much for joining us on the show. If light and sound can rewire your brain, could targeted frequencies
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also help reverse trauma, post concussion syndrome,
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and even degenerative conditions with dementia like symptoms?
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What if the shamanic traditions, Native American lore, Vedic meditation, and modern brain science all lead to the same solution?
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My guest today is Doctor. Lana Morrow, a pioneering neuroscientist,
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inventor, CEO, and spiritual explorer who works with frequencies, light, and consciousness
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to heal the body, brain, and spirit.
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After being knocked out last year and injured in a hit and run with serious post concussion syndrome, I've completed several transformative sessions with Doctor. Lana's brain computer interface to help heal my nervous system. Her invention uses gamified light, sound, and different frequencies
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to help achieve flow states, calm the amygdala, which often overfires and locks us into fight or flight mode, and heal and regenerate pathways in the brain and nervous system. In addition to rapidly improving my coordination and reflexes,
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the most remarkable effect that I've experienced so far is a dramatic increase
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in REM sleep and dream recall. She's definitely on to something. But before we talk to Doctor. Lana, if you want to keep in touch about the exciting events that we have coming up soon, I have live shows, music gigs, as well as speaking in Austin, Nashville, Las Vegas, Florida,
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and many more coming up soon. So if you'd like to join in the fun, make sure to sign up for my newsletter at abeljames.com.
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That's abeljames.com.
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Alright. In this episode with doctor Lana, you're about to discover what it means to treat neurology and spirituality
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as a single living system instead of two separate worlds.
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The difference between music played for money and healing music played from the heart.
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In a world drowning in noise, manipulation, and fear, why authenticity
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is the currency of the future, why some places instantly calm your nervous system while others feel like you're sitting in a microwave, and much more. Let's go meet doctor Lana.
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Welcome back, folks. Today, we're here with the wonderful Doctor. Lana Bachmora,
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an award winning functional medicine neuroscientist,
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inventor,
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and CEO of Think Interfaces.
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Welcome to the show.
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Thank you for having me.
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It was such a pleasure hanging out with you at Sapiens Center and a few other events. I feel like the energy
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in Austin right now is very, very special.
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And, there are so many incredible people coming through and setting up shop here in some cases. What was it that originally drew you to Texas and Austin in particular?
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I had an interview with a colleague
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and
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he suggested that
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exactly what you said, that the energy in Austin was really interesting. This was in 2021,
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at the 2021.
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And also where I was, I was in New York City. I had to escape.
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Was really, five gs was just rampant and I'm very sensitive.
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So I was literally even breathing. So I could not, you know, from nose. And it was very, you know, just very, very different. New York City suddenly became very, very different.
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And I went to South Of Boston to work with a rehabilitation center
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and people from Harvard.
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And then after a while, that was not very conducive to my spirit.
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When I heard about people who were in Austin
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and people who are interested in spirituality
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and innovative
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technology,
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I think this is, you know, wonderful. And I had a dream. I had a dream that I needed to go and visit
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or live near the lake that is in the shape of a dragon.
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Literally in a dream,
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it told me go to the Dragon Lake with crystal bottoms.
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So if you look at a map at
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the Lake Travis,
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and you turn it around upside down, you know, from how it presents on the map. It's a ship dragon
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and my home is right,
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my home is right on the lake now.
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And it's literally,
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I'm on maybe
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almost to the end of its tale,
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writing a tale of a dragon.
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And, you know, the Colorado River Trail, well, even even Barton Springs,
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it's laden with crystals at the bottom.
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You know, when I first came to to Austin, was palpable that it just felt different and very unexpected, especially for me coming from the Northeast. I grew up in New Hampshire and I expected
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coming to Texas for the first time, it'd all be like 10 gallon hats and tumbleweeds and desert and that that whole thing roused snakes everywhere.
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And I felt especially going to the springs, as you mentioned, and being around all that limestone and and the with all the caves going on, the underground caverns,
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just the richness of of resources. I felt so
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grounded and just relaxed. But I have noticed, especially in recent years, that's not true in every part of town anymore. Like some places, you definitely feel like you're getting microwaved.
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Yeah.
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It's different. Yeah. As you said, and I think native Americans had caves with the engravings there
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in Barton Springs. And if you notice the the mineral content of the water in Martin Springs is very curative.
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So it's always 72 degrees, if I'm correct, if I'm not missing. Somewhere around there. Yeah. Something like that. And you go in and you you can swim. It feels like it's moving like maybe like oil,
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but it's water
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because it's so rich in minerals.
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And so that's what I perceived in my dream, except that Colorado River is slightly different, you know, right here.
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But then it's Lake Travagore, it's a river. So
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I just love it here, but I think it's very,
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very rich in
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ancient culture.
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Agreed.
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And this is so interesting because you are a neuroscientist and you've got a couple of PhDs, no big deal, but I also studied the brain as an undergrad in school. And, you know, even at an elite school,
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they didn't teach you about the connection between the brain and consciousness, really. They they taught you about all the machinery that was going on and the chemicals and that sort of thing. But they didn't really talk about light and they didn't talk about circadian biology or anything like that. So I I think it's really important that people who come with a pedigreed background,
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and and education
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that
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you try to make that connection or at least acknowledge that it's important as part of the conversation because it shouldn't be just siphoned off to the theology department. Right? Like, need some intercommunication
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there, especially as we move forward as humans. So maybe you could just talk about that a little bit.
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Yeah. Well, also life is homogeneous,
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you know? I mean, it's fractal, so we were all involved in at every level. We're here, there, and everywhere all at once. But if you live the way that we all are, you know, you don't distinguish,
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you don't separate
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your, you know, being from
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something else. It's not separated. It's all united. It's all holistic.
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So it's kind of, I think that Rockefeller institution
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and institutionalized
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education
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has skewed that part because prior to that
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education was more natural
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and we're coming back to it now, which is really refreshing.
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Personally,
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I've always been drawn to, since a very young age, like maybe two, three years old, I was always been drawn to Native American fables and stories and lore, you know, like, and then that to this day. I studied also
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ancient languages
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and
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I'm a Vedic meditator
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of many years, Rishi and the Siddha.
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And I've studied with my teachers, both from Himalayas, but also some of my teachers were
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shamans from, you know, from
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native American
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lineage.
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So that's also something and we spent quite a bit of time with recording
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in our recording studio also,
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shamanic rituals and shamanic songs.
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So that's part of my heart, you know. And partially, I think that's why because it's
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connected to authenticity.
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You know, I think that the currency of the future will be authenticity.
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You know, there is no transparency,
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authenticity. There is no space for
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deceit. There is no space for not being direct and not being of heart.
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And I think if you're of heart,
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then it's something that you connect everything. So going back to the question, I think that education
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as we have known it until now,
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and still, you know, regular university education,
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is still not very much of heart.
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You know, if you come from the heart, then you can connect the heart and the brain and the gut, and your whole being, therefore toroidal field is connected.
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But people used to tend to not do it. However,
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even some teachers,
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professors,
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even when we went to school, they would accept that.
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My professor, you know, was like maybe 14, my professor of Sanskrit, he ended up, you know, teaching philosophy, but he offered us the fundamental
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basis of Sanskrit. And that's how I got interested in Vedas and Vedantas.
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And basically he translated it into very beautiful
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magical stories,
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you know.
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And so with my child, would, you know, when she was very young,
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I did not shy away from talking about Mahaprata
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or, you know, something
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as far out as from Western medicine, Western perspective you would think that it's far out. But it's not. It's just a different culture and you introduce people to different things. And I think it's much healthier to be involved in holistic
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perspective.
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Yeah.
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I mean,
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growing up in The States, you don't really know
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what reality is outside of that. And, for me, it was such a shocker the first time I went to Asia and, like, saw people literally practicing magic every day, like on the streets and putting out offerings and rituals
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and all of this just richness of human experience that we were kind of told is just
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tomfoolery or or goofing around or some primitive
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throwaway thing that we've evolved or progressed beyond.
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And, it's becoming very obvious, I think.
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And I'm curious if you have a similar experience.
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Like, when I leave The States and then I come back,
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there's, like, a heaviness
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to people's countenance and the way they move is slower, and it's it's like a piece of them
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themselves or their spirit has been snuffed out or subtracted
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somehow.
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Yeah. I think that, there's some nations
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in India or in Africa.
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I've been drawn to African music quite a bit recently because of the rhythm and,
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or native, you know, Santa Fe area. There there are some natives that are amazing.
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And authenticity
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and
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purity of the spirit
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lauded. It's
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just a necessary element of everyday life and probably the top element of everyday life, which is I think what creates the everyday
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life being magic.
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Why not living in bliss?
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I'm thinking these days, it's been now quite many years now, that I choose to live in bliss.
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Yes, there are stressful times,
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and we can have stressful times, but you can snap out of it if you can, you know, by looking at the sun or going out or
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basically reminding yourself that, hey, this will pass. And now take a deep breath and
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maybe I can play some music or sing something and then I'll get myself back to the vibration of
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peace and bliss.
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And I'm not saying ecstatic bliss all the time, but definitely just calmness and
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appreciation.
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So, in Italy, we have a
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It's a very different culture than America, you know. So, we will sit in the restaurant and, you know, sometimes somebody will come in and sing something and the whole restaurant sing along.
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I haven't experienced that in America.
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No. And it's normal for us to sing a lot
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or to get up and dance or
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people,
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you know, will cook together.
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Cooking is a very big part of our culture, know. It's an extension of the heart.
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And so, you're my friend, I love you, I'll cook for you. You know, it's a thing that we do. Or let's have a cup of coffee or tea and we'll have a really long chat. And then the meals or
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culture of the spirit is more of
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inclusive,
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you know. If you go, I don't know whether it happened to you to be in Italy and you'll see somebody on the street, you know, strike a conversation or in the museum and at a certain point they'll invite you to their home or they'll invite you to a restaurant for dinner or they'll be more open. And I think that that is I understand. I've never been to India yet. Scheduled twice and twice the trip was canceled.
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But all my friends and teachers from India, they're very warm.
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And I've experienced that Mexico. People are very sweet and very loving.
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So this kind of having your heart more open and more a little bit like what animals have, know. A small child or dog will come to you and will give you a kiss, know, on your leg or in your hand without a problem, you know, no matter who you are.
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And I think being open at the spiritual level and holistic level, it's just very beautiful, very natural.
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And
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if you are stuck,
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that doesn't need to be a permanent personality thing. There are ways to kind of break out of this trance, so to speak. Right? And so maybe we can talk about the nature of
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of trance. What exactly is going on, whether it's a shamanic ritual or listening to a song or in a dance or something else? What happens to human beings? What's the origin of trance? Just like all of it. Let's open up a can of worms here.
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You know, personally, when you're in Vedic meditation, for example, you drop into the state of no expectation.
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So there is nothing that you basically take a deep breath in and then
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unlike other methodologies of meditation,
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you simply and I'm by no means a teacher, I refer to my teachers you
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just lean back and you have your back supported and you let the thoughts, you know, you have your bija mantra, which is nonsensical mantra, doesn't have any, but it's in Sanskrit.
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And it's derived from your features and your teacher gives it to you. And you can have simple initial mantra and then you can have advanced
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mantras.
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Every year you're supposed to get another mantra to get to the next level. It's a sound that resonates with the universe.
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And universal,
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you know, maybe Symphony of the Spheres or,
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you know, Samovit,
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you can have a lot of, you know,
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you probably know Ravi Shankar's music,
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that's
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where you can see the sitar mimics the sounds that the universe emits,
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that the
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cosmos emits.
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So you just simply, you have no
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parameters.
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You sit, you don't have to pay attention to your breath, you don't have to pay attention to your thinking,
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you can just observe.
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And the best I can describe it is
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at the beginning it's like a little bit vibrationally busy and then it kind of starts
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settling down almost like in a lake. It starts settling down to the bottom. Then you feel
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your essence of your being, your soul, you feel
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rising up.
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And that's the beginning of this, you know, at that point, just maybe an inkling of ecstatic state.
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You know? So
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not necessarily it's the rising of a Kundalini, but you just go into the next level
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and you float literally. I mean, you end up floating a little bit and your
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usually kind of collapses. Don't, your head is not upright anymore. Your muscles relax.
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And so if somebody looks at you from the outside, they will say, oh, perhaps she or he is sleeping, you know, and it's not sleep. In fact, what it is, is twenty minutes or thirty minutes of Vedic meditation.
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my systems mimic that in neurotechnology.
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So what it is, is the state of flow.
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months or years,
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you end up understanding
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how to quickly access it and go into the next level.
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you know, if you're trained in that, if you're like literally letting go of reality
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or of perceptual reality of three dimensionality or what we're having
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here, you know, and you end up letting it go and going into the next level.
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just like in twirling dervishes or in, you know,
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Carantella in different practices in different parts of the world, end up with that kind of sense of ecstasy,
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you know. Not necessarily every time you meditate,
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you end up with, you know, a real beautiful bliss. And what's nice about it is that your DMT is
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self provoked.
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You don't need to take MDMA or psilocybin or, you know, where also you don't know where it will lead you, you know, whereas with this you have more
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your own natural,
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take over.
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So in that respect, you lose control,
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but you gain more control because your higher self is united
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with unity consciousness,
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with with basically nature consciousness,
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and that takes over.
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it's it's more adequate,
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more appropriate for your own being.
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especially in the Western world,
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a lot of the shamanic experience kind of be not being there in the same way that it is in a lot of the worldwide culture.
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You do need to be discerning when you start trying to be a psychonaut, right? Whether you're talking about psychedelics or finding a shaman or a healer,
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what is the way to do so being informed by Western medicine, but also being open to the possibilities that are well beyond it?
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a very, very good question. It's also a question that is maybe provocative because, you know, there's so many people,
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you see it in Austin, it's very
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evident, you know, there's so many people who are self proclaimed shamans or self proclaimed
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experts.
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trust that it's really working is the proof is in the pudding.
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Either it works or it doesn't.
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want to form a band or you're in with a player, another player,
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there is that je ne sais quoi that you know that will tell you whether that person
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knows what he's doing when he's riffing on a guitar.
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You know that you can actually have a good band session with that person, and if you record you don't have to take 20 takes, you know. It'll be you go into the groove,
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or if you're a jazz player or a blues player, can improvise and go into that state together. This is basically a state of
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authentically
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finding the union with that other soul
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concretely kind of elaborate on that. So I think that happens
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with our teachers in science, that happens with our teachers in
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English, in writing, you know, when you
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to write your paragraphs or write your scripts,
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you end up, you know, jamming with them in a different way.
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where vibrationally each one of you is.
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you end up finding
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feeling or your knowledge, your database will tell you, well this person
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actually can hold a debate with me on neuroscience
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or this person, if I mention certain books or certain aspects,
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they will not know where to go.
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And you don't have to be, you know, there is no arrogance necessary for that, but you just know
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that certain things. When people talk about, you know, call themselves shamans or they go into certain,
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you know, claim of neuroscience,
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oftentimes,
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you know, I'm thinking, you know, if you have a lawsuit,
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you wouldn't go with a paralegal.
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the same with,
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or if you, you know, you break your leg skiing, the same thing. You would not go to speak with somebody who has never had a surgery on his hands or her hands. You would go with them,
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appropriate people.
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And so I think in the world of wellness
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nowadays,
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discernment is really important because a lot of people, it's at the margins of unknown,
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especially with new knowledge,
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and people don't
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either they refer to, you know, what they have seen on YouTube and or on Google and then they think they know a lot more.
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There is something to be said about studying or about learning humbly from
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different books, different articles, different teachers.
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You know. It's it's either you you know it or you don't.
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I sense that you've studied
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spiritual traditions deeply and, at least in my experience, which is quite limited, most of that doesn't come through the Internet and certainly not through AI. It's in old dusty books that still have that leathery smell and, you know, it's kinda you gotta go down into the musty basement or you gotta do the work to find the teacher who has that special book at his library or whatever it is. How do you see the kind of advancing
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human knowledge from a spiritual direction
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amidst the sloppification
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of everything from AI?
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What's the way forward or what's the way to keep learning? Do we go back to books?
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prefer human touch and human knowledge.
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I think I studied with Tom Noss. I first studied with Tom Noss a long time ago. He
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teaches the Patanjali School of Thought and then I studied with many different teachers.
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a few really,
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really even younger teachers, they're really brilliant and really good. Emily McCarthy is one of them, Doctor. Raju from
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Himalayas,
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they have a beautiful school of Ayurveda.
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have very similar
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school of thought, or it's in the lineage of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Patanjali school of thought. And so you can choose to then you know, take some courses and over years
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you can perfect the courses. Know, you basically attend to these courses and they're not simple, you know, they're really deep knowledge and we have usually
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you take like a retreat and you have for three days and three nights you're just studying that. You're hearing some
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of it at night and you have exchanges with your teachers. And then you're
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adhering to specific grounding,
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basic elements of yoga, and that kitchari is zero food,
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very, very simple things.
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deepens the knowledge in a very authentic way.
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any, you know, like AI. I create organic intelligence
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and we can go deeper in that, but I
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personally
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do not
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subscribe to AI.
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And I tested it in science
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when ChatGPT first came out. Well, not really, that was just maybe a year ago. I tested it because I wanted to take some shortcuts, you know, and understand what is going on. And a lot of my friends are using ChatGPT,
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you know. And
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I pulled in some articles with some specific frequency
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based
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hypothesis
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came out wrong.
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Even some of my own articles were quoted wrong.
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I have a whole sequence that I describe my experience,
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which is quite interesting. Know, you say, can you find this and that article? It says, no, that article doesn't exist.
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And then it says, oh yeah, yeah, there is an article of that. But it gives you wrong names.
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So maybe my name is first. I experimented a few, you know, colleagues' names and my name. And then
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it says, well, there is no more. And then you feed it another one. And then it says, well, there is more. And then you feed it a third one. And then when you're done with 15 of them, we start from zero.
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It's like a bad law court case
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where a person claims, No, I don't have anything. And then they
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discovered they have a lot.
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at the end, I ask you to
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please remember it
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and log it in.
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And it came back with the answer, no, I can't do that.
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So what comes back to me is that somebody
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wrote those codes.
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And I would love to know the face of that person who wrote those codes. And what is perplexing is how many intelligent people
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have fallen for it.
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You know, like I know brilliant people who just go blindly for the shortcut.
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And I don't have anything against it. Like, you know, maybe Claude is better now. And,
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you know, I've used perplexity many times for references of, you know, where do I file the documents? I have to have FDA
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approval now, so I'm filing all of that. So it's just a shortcut. It's really convenient.
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But to blindly believe it and
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get teachings
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from it about your spiritual values
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from a robot,
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or you don't know who coded it,
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I would not do that personally.
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I think that's hard.
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Well, and we're seeing too that it weakens
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humans' like cognitive function and the creativity
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and and the rest of that. If you use it too much as a crutch,
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you are atrophying it in terms of your own
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state of being like for me,
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for music, I'm relatively unthreatened
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by AI generated
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recorded music because it's just, I mean, it's fine, but a musician will never really listen to it and be like, wow. Yeah. I wanna play that. For the most part, it's that's not what music is. And and maybe we can talk about that next. Music is more than just like the sound file.
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It's a holistic
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experience
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and what really makes it magical is that connection.
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And I'd be curious to hear your piece on this too because there's been a lot of talk in healing circles about four thirty two being the perfect
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pitch for, healing frequencies
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or, five twenty eight. I often tune in four forty four, a little bit sharper than four forty. But my take on all of this is that music is not so simple as there's a perfect frequency for everyone all the time. The magic of it once again is meeting people kind of where they are, uplifting them from a state of being such that if you're playing for a crowd,
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you are trying to kind of like massage the situation to make it better than it would otherwise be,
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more fun, more jovial,
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whatever that is. Now it could be the opposite
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and certain frequencies enter into it. But how do you think about all of this, especially given your background in ethnomusicology?
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I think that people in, for example,
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you you as a musician, you understand that.
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I come from, like, we owned, with my ex husband, we owned a recording studio, a production studio in Manhattan.
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So we recorded oftentimes people from the lore of Alan Lomax.
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One of the men, Gideon DeCangelo, was archiving
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all the native music of America
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for the moment. So we helped with that. My ex husband helped with that.
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And we were, you know, so familiar, we would go also to North Porto Arctic Circle to record the Yoikin of the nomadic groups,
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you know, with Sami people. We were an unofficial embassy of Sami people in New York City.
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There was a lot of I love listen to some of this. You know, very beautiful.
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This was this was passion for both of us, so we just, like, recorded a lot of beautiful,
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valuable lore, you know. So what is one common denominator,
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and I'm in November, I'm going to be in Africa and in Egypt, and I'm going to go to the Bedouin villages to record because I'm planning
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on creating the film on Ascension actually, on what what what is human doing? What would we as human beings do when we are growing into this crystalline body? What does that mean? And how do we remember Atlantis?
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Why is that connected
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to a Bedouin village, for example, where people
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are still playing
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antique,
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authentic instruments
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and the
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way that they're tuned and the way that they resonate
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through their cases,
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very natural. It's analog
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and it's authentic and it's
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resonating
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with, with, I think it's resonating with ley lines
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that I'm studying now.
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And there is not much science to right now, not too many people that I know of who have studied ley lines, maybe Graham Hancock
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can speak about it or some,
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you know, Ibrahim Karim is somebody dear to my heart and his teachings.
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that these ley lines
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are basically connected in somehow fractal faction.
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approach the authentic
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player.
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For example, a musician who has been in, you know, tradition of village for maybe thousand years, you know, they're very authentic and also very schooled.
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Maybe not at the conservatorium,
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but in my life, in my perspective, that's probably more valuable,
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you know, more authentic and more deep. And so what their music usually reflects
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00:34:04.234 --> 00:34:07.434
is it reflects some sort of harmonization
447
00:34:07.434 --> 00:34:08.314
of the universe.
448
00:34:09.409 --> 00:34:16.289
And how does that ripple effect in ether? What is happening in ether when that ripples?
449
00:34:16.449 --> 00:34:21.249
That's my jam. I like carbon to crystalline conversion, and I like to understand
450
00:34:21.329 --> 00:34:27.244
what is that. What, where are the pathways? And so the pathways are the ley lines.
451
00:34:27.644 --> 00:34:29.804
You know, you can actually, when
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00:34:30.924 --> 00:34:33.244
they talk about Symphony of the Spheres,
453
00:34:33.244 --> 00:34:35.164
you know, it's usually
454
00:34:35.324 --> 00:34:39.599
there is somewhere in those numerical values, is a Fibonacci series.
455
00:34:39.759 --> 00:34:42.319
And the Fibonacci series and the fractals,
456
00:34:42.399 --> 00:34:45.119
you know, the Mandelbrot mathematics,
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00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:45.599
really
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00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:48.814
falls into this authentic
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00:34:48.814 --> 00:34:50.574
connection to something
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00:34:50.654 --> 00:34:54.494
that is essential to the not only human being but with nature.
461
00:34:55.054 --> 00:35:04.739
And I'm speaking not very educated in a very educated way at this level because what I've been looking at right now is just kind of a vast prism
462
00:35:05.619 --> 00:35:06.099
know,
463
00:35:06.499 --> 00:35:10.499
is that true vast prism? What is that that actually covers,
464
00:35:10.579 --> 00:35:16.259
that is covered in that vast prism? So if you pull yourself out of not only of Madagaya,
465
00:35:16.259 --> 00:35:18.419
but if you pull yourself into the cosmos,
466
00:35:19.104 --> 00:35:25.824
what appears? What is there? Why are the leylines connected to the sun and to the Orion belt?
467
00:35:25.904 --> 00:35:29.744
And why are the frequencies that will lead you there
468
00:35:30.144 --> 00:35:32.704
generated from your own inner
469
00:35:33.319 --> 00:35:34.119
pico
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00:35:34.359 --> 00:35:35.079
level,
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00:35:35.479 --> 00:35:37.479
you know, essence of your body.
472
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:41.559
And at that point you end up not even talking about time space,
473
00:35:41.799 --> 00:35:43.879
because in ether there is no time space.
474
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:55.884
And in my humble opinion, I think when you play music in that kind of knowledgeable way or feeling way, authentic way, you end up taking a shortcut,
475
00:35:55.884 --> 00:36:07.589
almost like in Egypt when they had ankh that was put next to your nose, you know, and this is what also with, you know, that state of the flow that we call that we think. For example, where I work with with
476
00:36:08.469 --> 00:36:10.149
really good musicians,
477
00:36:10.149 --> 00:36:17.594
they understand because they can or this this lady that I was just telling you about, she's a perfect, incredibly, incredible example
478
00:36:17.594 --> 00:36:19.754
of a medium, you know, of a sophisticated
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00:36:20.874 --> 00:36:22.394
teacher and seer.
480
00:36:22.554 --> 00:36:28.074
And she enters the state, I mean, literally in three minutes, she's out there already and she's healed quickly,
481
00:36:28.879 --> 00:36:29.839
So
482
00:36:29.839 --> 00:36:37.279
there's some people who already studied and who have studied and who are primed in their mind body, in their biofield in general,
483
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:40.639
to the levels that they can accept this very quickly
484
00:36:40.799 --> 00:36:41.919
and travel
485
00:36:41.919 --> 00:36:43.279
rather fast.
486
00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:46.024
And then other worlds open.
487
00:36:46.024 --> 00:36:46.824
For example,
488
00:36:47.704 --> 00:36:54.184
personally I have experienced, you look up in the sky at night and I can see the copper grid of Gaia,
489
00:36:54.264 --> 00:36:56.984
and it's in the form of the seed of life.
490
00:36:57.509 --> 00:36:59.589
And it was in New York City.
491
00:37:00.149 --> 00:37:01.429
Not expected
492
00:37:01.589 --> 00:37:07.109
to live in New York City. But now when you train your mind, which basically you drop the preconception,
493
00:37:07.189 --> 00:37:09.989
and you train your mind to just drop it and you understand,
494
00:37:10.494 --> 00:37:16.334
Then you can see the second layer. You can see the crystalline layer. You can see that it's all accessible to all of us.
495
00:37:16.814 --> 00:37:17.374
So
496
00:37:17.694 --> 00:37:19.774
I think that the picture is very vast.
497
00:37:20.094 --> 00:37:22.254
The music can be really
498
00:37:22.254 --> 00:37:24.094
a very incredible
499
00:37:24.094 --> 00:37:25.134
frequency vehicle
500
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:27.239
to go there, as you were saying.
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00:37:27.479 --> 00:37:28.999
I don't think that that
502
00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:29.879
specific,
503
00:37:29.959 --> 00:37:34.199
you know, just like when we really met the scales of consciousness,
504
00:37:34.759 --> 00:37:38.119
that's not aligned with my thinking. You know, I think it's about
505
00:37:38.439 --> 00:37:39.559
basically
506
00:37:40.044 --> 00:37:44.604
a sphere of ethereal knowledge or ethereal vibrational field.
507
00:37:44.844 --> 00:37:48.444
So you can't make a triangle and make the numbers
508
00:37:48.524 --> 00:37:55.484
of specific frequencies saying this is your consciousness, this the third level. That's a little bit of, you know, far fetched argument
509
00:37:55.779 --> 00:37:58.739
that doesn't even have any value in theory
510
00:37:59.059 --> 00:38:00.499
or in laws
511
00:38:00.499 --> 00:38:02.979
and practice, you know. Whereas
512
00:38:03.459 --> 00:38:07.699
if you speak with some really interesting physicists or astrophysicists
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00:38:07.699 --> 00:38:08.819
or mathematicians
514
00:38:08.819 --> 00:38:10.099
who really understand
515
00:38:10.304 --> 00:38:12.064
the values of crystalline
516
00:38:12.064 --> 00:38:13.104
formations,
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00:38:13.584 --> 00:38:15.904
there are laws and there are rules and regulations.
518
00:38:16.624 --> 00:38:19.024
And, you know, so that's why personally, I think
519
00:38:19.984 --> 00:38:24.859
Maxwellian physics was really quite valuable because before it was suppressed,
520
00:38:24.859 --> 00:38:26.219
you know, people
521
00:38:26.299 --> 00:38:26.939
were
522
00:38:27.579 --> 00:38:31.099
actually believing in ether, you know. It was not just
523
00:38:32.299 --> 00:38:33.179
considered
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00:38:33.659 --> 00:38:34.539
non scientific.
525
00:38:36.444 --> 00:38:38.364
Does that answer your question?
526
00:38:39.004 --> 00:38:40.684
Yes, but I have more.
527
00:38:42.444 --> 00:38:44.524
So we've talked a bit about frequency,
528
00:38:44.764 --> 00:38:45.644
but what about
529
00:38:45.884 --> 00:38:50.364
rhythm that entrances people, whether it's a shaker or drumming?
530
00:38:50.899 --> 00:38:51.859
I've heard,
531
00:38:52.339 --> 00:38:55.459
you know, some spiritual teachers mention that the downbeat
532
00:38:55.539 --> 00:39:01.459
is kind of in line with God, but the upbeat and the syncopation is not. It's the opposite.
533
00:39:01.939 --> 00:39:06.814
So I'm I'm curious because especially when you listen to sort of trance
534
00:39:07.294 --> 00:39:14.654
shamanic shaking, that sort of thing, there is a lot of syncopation going on. Is that exercising demons? Is it shaking things up? What what's going on?
535
00:39:15.454 --> 00:39:16.094
So
536
00:39:16.574 --> 00:39:22.029
personally, I respond extremely well, and I've studied with with, a few teachers
537
00:39:22.029 --> 00:39:23.469
in Shabbat tradition
538
00:39:23.549 --> 00:39:27.549
who use just simple drum, you know, the round drum with drumming,
539
00:39:27.869 --> 00:39:32.795
to retrieve soul retrieval ceremonies and all of that. And so I studied that and
540
00:39:33.354 --> 00:39:40.555
I'm trained in, you know, the drumming of that level. Very, very simple, which is almost like a mimicking heartbeat.
541
00:39:40.714 --> 00:39:44.795
And I know that that works with a lot of people. That works really well.
542
00:39:45.274 --> 00:39:50.019
It works with me too. Yeah. I think I think a lot of people resonate with
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00:39:50.659 --> 00:39:52.659
simple shamanic drumming.
544
00:39:52.659 --> 00:39:55.859
And I think also young children resonate with it too,
545
00:39:56.259 --> 00:39:57.619
which is really interesting.
546
00:39:58.019 --> 00:40:00.659
And also animals resonate with it too.
547
00:40:01.394 --> 00:40:03.074
You know, so
548
00:40:03.394 --> 00:40:08.194
I can tell you just a little bit what I do in neuroscience with that.
549
00:40:08.994 --> 00:40:12.914
In order to create certain specific frequencies
550
00:40:13.074 --> 00:40:17.789
where you can, example, I'll just speak about my field, which is visually evolved potentials
551
00:40:17.949 --> 00:40:19.709
stimulating on the retina,
552
00:40:19.789 --> 00:40:23.069
where you obtain certain specific responses in your brain.
553
00:40:23.469 --> 00:40:24.829
And you can then
554
00:40:25.389 --> 00:40:26.349
use different
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00:40:26.509 --> 00:40:32.514
programs or create different programs that have specific algorithms that can have different ratios of certain things.
556
00:40:32.834 --> 00:40:36.754
In my world of neurotech and neuroscience, it's all in algorithmic
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ratios.
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00:40:38.194 --> 00:40:40.674
And that's where you get the best results.
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00:40:41.074 --> 00:40:42.674
And the way that, for example,
560
00:40:43.299 --> 00:40:47.699
it's going back to the rhythm. There is such a thing that is called interstimulus
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00:40:47.699 --> 00:40:48.499
interval.
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00:40:48.899 --> 00:40:52.819
And it taps into the specific rhythm of how
563
00:40:53.139 --> 00:40:54.179
will you
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00:40:54.419 --> 00:40:57.984
stimulate the retina, at what time, what tempo,
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00:40:58.224 --> 00:41:04.224
and it has to be exact. It has to be exact in my world, in my programs, it's down to a millisecond.
566
00:41:04.944 --> 00:41:05.984
And so
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00:41:06.144 --> 00:41:10.384
it not necessarily measures is in sync with your own heart,
568
00:41:10.864 --> 00:41:11.984
but what
569
00:41:12.169 --> 00:41:16.009
we did with my team, we assembled 1,700
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00:41:16.009 --> 00:41:16.889
articles
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00:41:17.129 --> 00:41:20.969
and gave it value and logged it into Excel spreadsheets
572
00:41:21.049 --> 00:41:23.129
and had different analysis
573
00:41:23.129 --> 00:41:26.409
of Anabas and Manamas to understand
574
00:41:26.409 --> 00:41:27.449
what are the overlays.
575
00:41:27.904 --> 00:41:28.944
The values
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00:41:29.824 --> 00:41:33.184
that were inserted were those from these 1,700
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00:41:33.184 --> 00:41:39.104
studies that are talking about specific value, be it intra stimulus interval,
578
00:41:39.104 --> 00:41:41.504
which means when will the stimulus appear,
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00:41:42.169 --> 00:41:43.529
or frequency
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00:41:43.529 --> 00:41:44.889
on the screen,
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00:41:45.049 --> 00:41:50.489
which means how frequently will you have a checkerboard or a vertical line appear,
582
00:41:50.649 --> 00:41:52.409
or contrast sensitivity,
583
00:41:52.409 --> 00:41:58.464
which is another value. For example, when you turn the light on or make the screen dimmer or lighter,
584
00:41:58.704 --> 00:42:02.384
that's you know a bit sharper, that depends on contrast sensitivity.
585
00:42:02.544 --> 00:42:07.264
So that translates in you then being able to selectively stimulate your retina.
586
00:42:08.464 --> 00:42:11.424
Which then translates into, because retina is
587
00:42:12.419 --> 00:42:14.739
mostly an organ in the body with
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00:42:14.899 --> 00:42:16.499
dopaminergic receptors.
589
00:42:17.139 --> 00:42:21.459
So if you simulate that properly in a very specific rhythm,
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00:42:22.499 --> 00:42:24.979
then you end up you kind of code
591
00:42:25.139 --> 00:42:27.059
the trans of your retina,
592
00:42:27.974 --> 00:42:30.214
which then codes the transmission
593
00:42:30.774 --> 00:42:31.974
of your dopamine.
594
00:42:32.054 --> 00:42:35.334
So you self induce hyperproduction of dopaminergic
595
00:42:35.414 --> 00:42:36.934
elements, dopamine,
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00:42:37.094 --> 00:42:38.694
which then in turn also,
597
00:42:38.774 --> 00:42:40.054
if you have equal,
598
00:42:40.134 --> 00:42:41.734
you can equalize
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00:42:42.289 --> 00:42:45.969
serotonin and dopamine in that way, but you also regulate
600
00:42:45.969 --> 00:42:47.489
the nervous vagus,
601
00:42:47.569 --> 00:42:49.729
because that's directly related.
602
00:42:49.969 --> 00:42:52.129
And when you regulate the nervous vagus,
603
00:42:52.129 --> 00:42:53.569
you shut
604
00:42:54.049 --> 00:42:59.264
down the amygdaloid response, which is fight fight reflex. So all of that happens at once.
605
00:42:59.584 --> 00:43:03.744
And what we have now noticed is that it also happens at the level of mitochondria.
606
00:43:04.064 --> 00:43:10.144
And I think it's the inner walls of mitochondria and it has to do with charge, ionic
607
00:43:10.144 --> 00:43:13.979
charges of different types. And again, all of that is very complex,
608
00:43:14.139 --> 00:43:17.179
results in very complex algorithms,
609
00:43:17.499 --> 00:43:20.379
and a lot of them are photovoltaic algorithms as well.
610
00:43:20.699 --> 00:43:22.939
So, in our case, we just transmit
611
00:43:23.614 --> 00:43:29.294
Nothing looks into you. There are no cameras, but you transmit everything from the reader, from the values
612
00:43:29.294 --> 00:43:32.815
of your own production of the brain. So you're co creating
613
00:43:33.054 --> 00:43:34.894
the program in real time.
614
00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:40.639
But that's why it's called Sensing. That's because it's smart, it's based out of crystalline
615
00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:45.519
components. It's a different type of chips and it's photovoltaic, based on photovoltaic energy.
616
00:43:45.919 --> 00:43:48.319
Why, in that respect,
617
00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:50.079
the rhythm is crucial.
618
00:43:51.844 --> 00:43:56.164
Probably one of the most important parts of the whole program is the rhythm.
619
00:43:57.284 --> 00:44:02.324
And so I find it fascinating because when you listen to Indian music or to African music,
620
00:44:03.539 --> 00:44:07.299
you know, for different instruments, African instruments,
621
00:44:07.459 --> 00:44:07.859
or,
622
00:44:08.579 --> 00:44:10.179
you know, just some
623
00:44:10.179 --> 00:44:12.579
beautiful, beautiful performers in
624
00:44:12.979 --> 00:44:17.139
Mid Africa that is really in Central Africa that are just incredible.
625
00:44:17.619 --> 00:44:20.744
And I think that their authenticity
626
00:44:21.144 --> 00:44:24.744
relies on the fact that they instinctively,
627
00:44:24.744 --> 00:44:25.784
intuitively,
628
00:44:25.944 --> 00:44:32.904
they know how to tap the rhythm of their own heart. Now that doesn't mean that it's the rhythm for your heart, my heart, or other people's,
629
00:44:33.329 --> 00:44:36.369
but you can actually have a common denominator.
630
00:44:36.769 --> 00:44:41.329
And just like, you know, majority of people like the riff of, I don't know, Miles Davis,
631
00:44:41.649 --> 00:44:44.849
or the majority of people resonate with Ravi Shankar,
632
00:44:45.009 --> 00:44:45.969
or, you know,
633
00:44:47.169 --> 00:44:47.969
George Harrison.
634
00:44:48.344 --> 00:44:50.824
You know, when when he's authentic, he's authentic.
635
00:44:51.144 --> 00:44:54.664
You know? So or even what is the difference between Rostropovich
636
00:44:54.664 --> 00:45:01.624
playing, you know, the cello or Yo Yo Ma? You know? My personal child, you know, when she was very little,
637
00:45:01.944 --> 00:45:06.549
she was six months old, I would put her in front of the same piece of music,
638
00:45:07.109 --> 00:45:10.789
but played by Rastropoich or played by Yojima.
639
00:45:11.509 --> 00:45:14.709
She could not sustain Yojima, but she would stay in trance
640
00:45:15.234 --> 00:45:16.674
for like hours
641
00:45:16.674 --> 00:45:21.474
in front of the music played by a good high quality musician, you know.
642
00:45:22.194 --> 00:45:26.834
And so I think that, and this is a baby, this is like a new, you know, almost newborn baby.
643
00:45:27.249 --> 00:45:30.929
And I found that also with my dogs and with animals.
644
00:45:31.009 --> 00:45:34.849
Forces have that kind of thing. So there is something about the rhythm
645
00:45:35.729 --> 00:45:41.774
that is resonating with the planets. And that's another thing I'm really interested in understanding.
646
00:45:42.174 --> 00:45:43.374
How does that
647
00:45:43.534 --> 00:45:45.614
tap into these vertices
648
00:45:46.094 --> 00:45:48.174
of, you know, mathematical
649
00:45:48.174 --> 00:45:50.974
composition of fractals?
650
00:45:51.294 --> 00:45:57.389
Because I think once you have that aligned, I just had a conversation with with my good friend, Doctor. Todd,
651
00:45:59.149 --> 00:46:00.669
he's an anesthesiologist,
652
00:46:00.669 --> 00:46:05.469
but also very, very educated and like his specialty is seeking
653
00:46:06.189 --> 00:46:06.829
fractals,
654
00:46:07.404 --> 00:46:08.924
you know. And so
655
00:46:08.924 --> 00:46:11.804
I think it's really interesting when you have,
656
00:46:12.364 --> 00:46:15.244
I think the alignment of your inner world,
657
00:46:15.324 --> 00:46:18.204
you know, when we say we're in alignment,
658
00:46:18.444 --> 00:46:21.079
is probably referring to this unusual
659
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:22.439
alignment of, you
660
00:46:22.839 --> 00:46:25.079
know, the macro to macro,
661
00:46:25.479 --> 00:46:26.439
you know, the
662
00:46:27.319 --> 00:46:30.679
full algorithm of the universe, of the cosmos,
663
00:46:30.999 --> 00:46:33.879
versus the micro elements in your
664
00:46:34.439 --> 00:46:34.759
blood.
665
00:46:35.634 --> 00:46:36.434
You know?
666
00:46:37.554 --> 00:46:50.034
It's so interesting. Too far out. This is great. No. This is so great. And I'm gonna stick with the music thing because it's top of mind for me. I just played a show last night, but before that, went to go see one of my favorite bands in Austin called the Greyhounds.
667
00:46:50.274 --> 00:46:52.969
And they are just like the funkiest
668
00:46:53.129 --> 00:46:54.889
groove imaginable.
669
00:46:54.969 --> 00:46:58.169
That doesn't always translate. Like, I've I like their albums,
670
00:46:58.329 --> 00:47:00.489
but I don't absolutely love them.
671
00:47:01.049 --> 00:47:20.234
Going to see them live, it is different every time, even if they're playing the same song. And the timing is, I was talking about it with my wife because she's not like a trained musician like I am. I'm super geek about all of this, but like the true mastery is when someone can play or sing behind the beat and it just lands
672
00:47:20.314 --> 00:47:20.874
perfectly.
673
00:47:21.399 --> 00:47:23.559
And it is mathematical,
674
00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:25.879
but not perfectly mathematical.
675
00:47:25.879 --> 00:47:29.239
It's different every time. Right? And it's those micro
676
00:47:29.399 --> 00:47:36.439
kind of adjustments to each other as members of the band make little hesitations or little adjustments that really
677
00:47:36.734 --> 00:47:48.014
makes it hit, doesn't it? It's it's I just don't see AI ever being able to do that. Maybe it could, you know, entrain someone into a groove or something like that, but it's just not the same as those micro adjustments.
678
00:47:48.909 --> 00:47:51.309
Doesn't always sound a little plastic
679
00:47:51.789 --> 00:47:54.349
to use a pedestrian word?
680
00:47:54.669 --> 00:47:58.189
Know, it's almost like looking at something through plexiglass.
681
00:47:58.669 --> 00:48:00.589
There is no consciousness. There is no soul.
682
00:48:01.074 --> 00:48:03.474
And I don't think that AI will ever
683
00:48:04.114 --> 00:48:05.634
you know, the transhumanism
684
00:48:05.634 --> 00:48:15.554
movement tries tries to there's so many proponents of it, you know, Elon Musk and and Kurzweil and all of these, and they want to, you know, create a transhuman forever.
685
00:48:16.139 --> 00:48:19.660
I don't believe in any of that. I think our
686
00:48:19.979 --> 00:48:21.259
sacred humanity
687
00:48:21.259 --> 00:48:23.420
and our sacred heart is really
688
00:48:23.739 --> 00:48:29.499
incredibly important. It's God given, you know, and it's so important. So AI will never,
689
00:48:30.264 --> 00:48:36.664
you know Jimmy Page wrote something very beautiful on Instagram and on TikTok and on X.
690
00:48:36.984 --> 00:48:38.104
That was when,
691
00:48:38.904 --> 00:48:40.744
it was about three months ago.
692
00:48:41.384 --> 00:48:45.749
He was saying how AI is stealing now, you know, music and
693
00:48:45.909 --> 00:48:48.869
blatantly stealing it from musicians.
694
00:48:49.669 --> 00:48:53.989
How there should be laws, should be rules and regulations about plagiarism,
695
00:48:54.069 --> 00:48:56.629
and somebody should be brought to court about that.
696
00:48:57.604 --> 00:49:03.524
And he said, you know, there is, as a young musician, when I was young, he was saying I would be
697
00:49:03.844 --> 00:49:05.124
hired to be in
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00:49:05.844 --> 00:49:07.285
a studio in London,
699
00:49:07.684 --> 00:49:13.239
and I would be, you know, staying there for like hours, for sometimes twenty four hours,
700
00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:18.279
plucking on my guitar and finding the right tune until it came out.
701
00:49:18.999 --> 00:49:21.319
Know, and it's this quintessential
702
00:49:21.799 --> 00:49:24.999
essence of his soul merging with his instrument,
703
00:49:25.314 --> 00:49:27.154
merging with that moment
704
00:49:27.394 --> 00:49:30.034
that would produce something beautiful.
705
00:49:30.434 --> 00:49:38.274
And it didn't come all at once, it didn't come for free, it didn't come scraping from some other people's music, it came from
706
00:49:38.619 --> 00:49:40.219
God, from cosmos,
707
00:49:40.539 --> 00:49:42.699
into his heart, into his capacity,
708
00:49:42.939 --> 00:49:46.139
and into his also training. I mean, these people train
709
00:49:46.459 --> 00:49:49.579
their lifetime for it, so they should be honorable.
710
00:49:49.659 --> 00:49:53.499
And so he said, well, the AI will never have that capacity,
711
00:49:54.194 --> 00:49:55.314
but what
712
00:49:55.554 --> 00:49:59.554
we should be putting it as a real label to it is plagiarism.
713
00:50:00.194 --> 00:50:01.874
So he called
714
00:50:02.034 --> 00:50:02.754
upon
715
00:50:02.994 --> 00:50:06.754
everybody who read that to actually have a petition
716
00:50:06.899 --> 00:50:11.219
to stop the plagiarism of AI against real musicians.
717
00:50:12.179 --> 00:50:18.819
Yeah, because it goes way beyond music. It goes to all the books that we've read and podcasts we've put out and all of that. That would be
718
00:50:19.344 --> 00:50:21.904
finding good if it were attributed.
719
00:50:21.904 --> 00:50:39.289
And then there were some, even if it's just micro sense, like that are streamed, like Spotify was supposed to pay musicians or something like that. Like that technology exists. We could make that happen, but instead they're just kind of taking it all for themselves and messing it up as they go. So it's like people are reading my bio,
720
00:50:39.929 --> 00:50:44.409
reading about schools that I never went to, like, and just
721
00:50:44.489 --> 00:50:47.024
making up stuff. If it's 99%
722
00:50:47.024 --> 00:50:51.104
true, but 1% not, it's, it's like, that's a big problem
723
00:50:51.264 --> 00:50:53.904
because if the rhythm were 99%
724
00:50:53.904 --> 00:50:59.264
correct and 1% wrong that I was just talking about, that would not work. It needs to be those micro
725
00:50:59.264 --> 00:51:02.719
adjustments for it land. And that kind of reminds me too,
726
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:07.599
birdsong. I studied that as an undergrad and it's very mathematical,
727
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:14.734
but also not perfect. They have absolute pitch. Humans have relative pitch, especially in the Western world. But with birdsong,
728
00:51:14.974 --> 00:51:22.174
that is definitely something that can just snap you right into a memory or a trance. You know, if you're listening to a chorus of cicadas,
729
00:51:22.574 --> 00:51:27.454
you definitely go into a whole different frequency. And my wife and I had an incredible experience
730
00:51:27.609 --> 00:51:37.609
when we were in the Badlands a few years ago in our truck, and we were just kind of driving slowly, there was a herd of bison that suddenly kind of, like, came up behind us and surrounded us and
731
00:51:37.849 --> 00:51:44.344
started bellowing, like, all at once and kind of stopping there. Not agitated or anything, just being bison. You know, the male
732
00:51:44.584 --> 00:51:49.784
was right next to us, a whole bunch of them, they're bossing each other around, and it was wild.
733
00:51:49.784 --> 00:51:52.904
When they made those sounds, you could feel it in your chest.
734
00:51:53.509 --> 00:51:56.309
And it kind of made me long for a forgotten
735
00:51:56.549 --> 00:51:57.670
time when
736
00:51:57.749 --> 00:52:01.349
you could experience something like that. It was a it was a true spiritual
737
00:52:01.349 --> 00:52:02.309
moment. And,
738
00:52:03.109 --> 00:52:17.724
so sound can be an incredibly powerful force to help people reconnect with nature. But let's talk a little bit more about the light side of things because people I mean, the implications of this are incredible that you can help people recover from concussion and brain injury
739
00:52:18.444 --> 00:52:19.724
through reprogramming
740
00:52:19.724 --> 00:52:34.839
your retinas. Like, it's that your eyes are an avenue to reprogram your brain, your nervous system, and your spirit, and you can actually use technology for good to help you achieve that too. It doesn't have to be a race to the bottom, you know, transhumanist agenda. No.
741
00:52:35.684 --> 00:52:36.404
No.
742
00:52:37.684 --> 00:52:45.044
It's a but also you can use the it's a similar program with auditory evoked potentials. You can have specific
743
00:52:45.284 --> 00:52:46.164
sounds
744
00:52:46.164 --> 00:52:50.084
that also impact specific area of temporal lobes
745
00:52:50.429 --> 00:52:51.069
and
746
00:52:51.229 --> 00:52:55.950
create certain harmonies and frequencies that can also heal. Music is medicine.
747
00:52:56.189 --> 00:52:56.829
So
748
00:52:56.989 --> 00:52:58.749
personally, was just studying
749
00:52:59.229 --> 00:53:02.269
I'm also schooled in auditory evoked potentials,
750
00:53:02.349 --> 00:53:05.469
but most of my work was in visual evoked potentials
751
00:53:05.804 --> 00:53:09.324
and brain mapping. So it's always the same principle.
752
00:53:09.324 --> 00:53:11.244
It's always a binary code.
753
00:53:11.404 --> 00:53:14.844
You know, you stimulate something with certain specific stimulation
754
00:53:15.004 --> 00:53:15.884
and you
755
00:53:17.004 --> 00:53:19.244
obtain the evoked
756
00:53:19.244 --> 00:53:19.804
potential.
757
00:53:20.379 --> 00:53:23.339
The potential is in the neurons that spike
758
00:53:23.339 --> 00:53:24.779
in a certain fashion.
759
00:53:25.259 --> 00:53:29.099
And then you need to know how to stimulate them properly
760
00:53:29.339 --> 00:53:33.274
so that you can actually get that flow of that specific
761
00:53:33.434 --> 00:53:34.394
microelement,
762
00:53:34.394 --> 00:53:36.234
whether it's dopamine, serotonin,
763
00:53:36.314 --> 00:53:38.474
or other neurotransmitters,
764
00:53:38.474 --> 00:53:43.274
you can play around with it. I think that what's fascinating about dopamine,
765
00:53:43.274 --> 00:53:43.994
if you
766
00:53:44.394 --> 00:53:46.954
find the right flow of the dopamine that is exact,
767
00:53:47.849 --> 00:53:49.209
you can induce
768
00:53:50.569 --> 00:53:52.329
the production of BDNF,
769
00:53:52.329 --> 00:53:54.329
brain derived neurotropic factor,
770
00:53:54.409 --> 00:53:57.769
and then you can create the production of connection
771
00:53:58.329 --> 00:54:00.729
of new neurons, like dendritic connections.
772
00:54:01.094 --> 00:54:04.294
And after about a while, you find
773
00:54:04.294 --> 00:54:06.614
ways of they create
774
00:54:06.614 --> 00:54:08.614
so many more new pathways.
775
00:54:08.694 --> 00:54:10.854
They end up even producing
776
00:54:10.934 --> 00:54:12.214
new stem cells.
777
00:54:12.534 --> 00:54:14.214
That's my new study now.
778
00:54:14.614 --> 00:54:15.254
A new
779
00:54:15.569 --> 00:54:17.809
study where I just designed and
780
00:54:19.329 --> 00:54:20.769
we're basically
781
00:54:21.169 --> 00:54:23.969
showing that we're making new neurons
782
00:54:24.049 --> 00:54:26.049
and stem cells via thought.
783
00:54:26.529 --> 00:54:30.209
So it's kind of a holy grail, but essentially
784
00:54:30.494 --> 00:54:32.174
it's not so
785
00:54:32.494 --> 00:54:34.974
strenuous. You know, it's not so difficult
786
00:54:35.374 --> 00:54:36.894
because you selectively
787
00:54:36.894 --> 00:54:42.334
stimulate the retina and you can do that also by selective stimulation of the audio of
788
00:54:43.054 --> 00:54:45.649
your auditory nerve as well.
789
00:54:46.209 --> 00:54:46.689
You
790
00:54:47.969 --> 00:54:54.529
probably experienced that when you play the guitar or when you play your instruments and you go into almost trance and you lose
791
00:54:55.009 --> 00:54:56.609
many, many hours in that.
792
00:54:57.524 --> 00:54:58.244
Many
793
00:54:58.724 --> 00:54:59.444
natives,
794
00:54:59.604 --> 00:55:01.924
they heal through music, through sound.
795
00:55:02.164 --> 00:55:09.684
And we're now finally discovering it. You know, sound ball healings and gong healings especially can be extremely powerful if you know what you're doing.
796
00:55:10.489 --> 00:55:14.009
You know, and Tibetans have known that forever, or
797
00:55:15.209 --> 00:55:17.849
African or Native Americans have known that forever.
798
00:55:18.009 --> 00:55:23.209
We're just going back home to that. We're just remembering that. And that remembering is priceless.
799
00:55:23.844 --> 00:55:26.084
It's not as esoteric
800
00:55:26.084 --> 00:55:27.604
as it sounds,
801
00:55:28.004 --> 00:55:30.484
you know, to stimulate the retina with specific.
802
00:55:30.564 --> 00:55:32.484
And in 1990,
803
00:55:32.484 --> 00:55:40.459
I wrote a paper, I was a kid, I was just studying at Mount Sinai. I came from Italy to Mount Sinai to do research on dopamine,
804
00:55:40.859 --> 00:55:43.579
but I was also doing research on consciousness.
805
00:55:44.299 --> 00:55:48.779
And so we published a paper on what was called N70,
806
00:55:48.939 --> 00:55:50.779
negative evoked potential
807
00:55:51.224 --> 00:55:51.864
spike
808
00:55:52.024 --> 00:55:57.704
that we discovered that was a small wave of negative wave that happens
809
00:55:57.704 --> 00:55:58.504
before
810
00:55:58.984 --> 00:56:01.384
you actually exercise the stimulus.
811
00:56:02.104 --> 00:56:03.304
The precautious
812
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recording.
813
00:56:04.849 --> 00:56:07.489
And nobody in the world has done that before.
814
00:56:07.889 --> 00:56:10.529
Know, it's like because we were questioning what happens
815
00:56:11.569 --> 00:56:12.689
in the brain
816
00:56:12.929 --> 00:56:13.649
and
817
00:56:13.729 --> 00:56:15.729
how do we do that? We generated
818
00:56:16.104 --> 00:56:22.344
a bunch of stimuli on the screen, black and white, in specific contrast sensitivity and specific frequency.
819
00:56:22.664 --> 00:56:24.424
And in the rhythm,
820
00:56:24.824 --> 00:56:26.744
we tested many different rhythms,
821
00:56:26.824 --> 00:56:31.864
let's say 10 categories of rhythms, 10 categories of contrast sensitivity, and then light
822
00:56:32.319 --> 00:56:33.119
intensity
823
00:56:33.119 --> 00:56:38.239
and other things. And we stimulate, we put people in front of them, you know, contraption,
824
00:56:38.239 --> 00:56:41.439
you have to put your chin somewhere so you're literally
825
00:56:41.439 --> 00:56:44.799
looking at the retina, or hemiretina, half retina.
826
00:56:45.204 --> 00:56:47.124
And we did that with both
827
00:56:47.124 --> 00:56:48.724
humans, ourselves,
828
00:56:48.964 --> 00:56:50.964
patients and monkeys
829
00:56:51.044 --> 00:56:52.324
and cats.
830
00:56:52.884 --> 00:57:06.139
And we recorded and Evoked Potentials, what happens? In all the species, across the species, we found out that at certain point before the stimulus was happening, that N70 would appear. So the brain was recognizing
831
00:57:06.539 --> 00:57:09.419
something else. And I think it's coming from the biofuel.
832
00:57:09.579 --> 00:57:14.334
And at that time I did not know anything about it, but right now it's retrospectively
833
00:57:14.334 --> 00:57:18.174
thinking about it. I think it's coming from, you know, we're sensing,
834
00:57:18.494 --> 00:57:20.974
we're toroidal fields more than we are
835
00:57:21.294 --> 00:57:22.014
this
836
00:57:22.094 --> 00:57:22.894
tangible
837
00:57:22.894 --> 00:57:24.094
skin and
838
00:57:24.334 --> 00:57:26.094
retinas and eyes, you know?
839
00:57:27.149 --> 00:57:29.149
So does that make sense to you?
840
00:57:29.549 --> 00:57:31.069
Did I answer your question?
841
00:57:31.469 --> 00:57:35.709
Definitely. And one other piece that I'd love to touch on is that you bring
842
00:57:36.349 --> 00:57:44.344
fun and play to healing. And, you know, Western medicine largely has been so sanitized and kind of like over professionalized
843
00:57:44.344 --> 00:57:51.304
and there's just no space for fun or even connecting with people as humans really. Just kind of shuffling bodies through the system.
844
00:57:51.784 --> 00:57:54.584
So it's really important to kind of have that other
845
00:57:54.904 --> 00:58:03.759
side. Maybe you could just speak a little bit about that. Like, how can we humanize healing more and why is it so important that we actually enjoy ourselves
846
00:58:03.999 --> 00:58:05.279
as we do this? And specifically,
847
00:58:05.679 --> 00:58:07.999
would love to hear more about your work kind of like applying
848
00:58:08.799 --> 00:58:09.599
video
849
00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:10.719
game principles
850
00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:12.319
to a healing practice.
851
00:58:13.074 --> 00:58:22.274
I worked a lot with children in New York City. I had a clinic and my specialty was not only work potentials, but also neuropsychology.
852
00:58:22.274 --> 00:58:24.674
I had different fields that I was covering
853
00:58:24.834 --> 00:58:25.554
and
854
00:58:26.034 --> 00:58:29.099
mostly worked with children who had issues.
855
00:58:30.859 --> 00:58:31.660
Mostly
856
00:58:32.059 --> 00:58:34.619
differential diagnosis of difficult situations.
857
00:58:35.819 --> 00:58:40.539
The child has a problem in school, cannot learn or cannot sleep or has
858
00:58:40.619 --> 00:58:44.994
panic attacks. Where does that stem from? What do you do with that?
859
00:58:45.314 --> 00:58:45.954
So
860
00:58:46.354 --> 00:58:47.314
with children,
861
00:58:47.714 --> 00:58:48.754
you have to play.
862
00:58:49.154 --> 00:58:53.954
There's no, you know, you can't be in a white coat and, you know,
863
00:58:54.274 --> 00:58:58.434
look at them and then, you know, learn something, if you want specific
864
00:58:58.434 --> 00:59:01.339
results, if you want authentic true result.
865
00:59:01.819 --> 00:59:02.379
So
866
00:59:02.699 --> 00:59:06.779
my style of testing was always, you know, get down on the floor,
867
00:59:07.499 --> 00:59:13.404
three minutes of Lego building or car playing or whatever you play with, you know, depending on the age.
868
00:59:13.804 --> 00:59:15.644
And then you insert
869
00:59:15.644 --> 00:59:17.325
some testing into it.
870
00:59:17.644 --> 00:59:23.644
And then you get, you know, I learned to literally memorize their scores and then put them when they were away,
871
00:59:23.804 --> 00:59:30.649
you know, write them down. Or I would record a session, you know, so they could transcribe it later in order not to disrupt the play
872
00:59:30.969 --> 00:59:34.649
and in order to be more authentic. Because if you're a scared child,
873
00:59:35.369 --> 00:59:37.769
then the testing is invalid at the end.
874
00:59:38.329 --> 00:59:42.249
Because you can say, well, here's his IQ. So many times I've gotten children's
875
00:59:42.904 --> 00:59:45.464
data, you know, his IQ is slow.
876
00:59:45.544 --> 00:59:46.344
And what
877
00:59:46.504 --> 00:59:50.184
happened is that the boy was just scared of the testing and he couldn't do much.
878
00:59:50.904 --> 00:59:56.104
And so they clam up. So because of that, I thought that, you know,
879
00:59:56.829 --> 01:00:07.149
it's natural to be playful. So playing around with things that we can do is really important, because it brings you to a heart level and authenticity.
880
01:00:07.709 --> 01:00:08.749
And it's
881
01:00:08.989 --> 01:00:20.094
so the not so playful part of my system is the headset, no? And the fact that you can put it on, you can put it like that, on the the head in like one second
882
01:00:20.254 --> 01:00:24.014
and you don't have to glue your electrodes on for like hours.
883
01:00:24.699 --> 01:00:28.939
And that's an innovation that has not been around for a long time,
884
01:00:29.179 --> 01:00:41.844
but it took me with my team, probably in 12 teams of engineers, took us maybe six years to create all of that and many millions of dollars, you know. And then you combine that with chips and then the algorithms,
885
01:00:42.564 --> 01:00:44.964
and then you create video games. And so,
886
01:00:45.524 --> 01:00:48.804
neuro games that we create, neuro programs that we create,
887
01:00:49.044 --> 01:00:51.364
are very specific. They're very, very complex.
888
01:00:51.939 --> 01:00:54.419
And so it's definitely not neurofeedback.
889
01:00:54.739 --> 01:00:58.419
But it presents in such a way that it's accessible.
890
01:00:58.659 --> 01:01:04.339
My goal was just to create something that was very nice for a child who is maybe two years old and autistic,
891
01:01:05.164 --> 01:01:06.124
or an
892
01:01:06.604 --> 01:01:07.884
adult who is maybe
893
01:01:08.284 --> 01:01:09.724
90 and demented,
894
01:01:09.884 --> 01:01:14.764
or 80. And in both cases it has to work. So it was a very high
895
01:01:15.724 --> 01:01:17.324
high bar that we
896
01:01:17.324 --> 01:01:19.639
posed to ourselves, but we achieved
897
01:01:20.199 --> 01:01:22.359
the goal. You know, we published
898
01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:26.599
in Nature, we're going to publish now, I'm working with NIMH now,
899
01:01:26.999 --> 01:01:29.399
with, you know, different levels of
900
01:01:29.959 --> 01:01:32.679
My team is really good, you know, people are really intelligent
901
01:01:32.759 --> 01:01:35.444
and it's really great. And then for
902
01:01:35.444 --> 01:01:39.204
the gaming part, not the gaming, but the neuro program part,
903
01:01:39.444 --> 01:01:40.484
I hired
904
01:01:40.484 --> 01:01:43.844
a few people who create games for Nintendo.
905
01:01:44.244 --> 01:01:48.164
So they're really specialists in creating proper games.
906
01:01:48.484 --> 01:01:57.339
And some are from Columbia University. You know, they're architects, but they also do some different games. So we have several only three games are finished,
907
01:01:57.579 --> 01:02:02.779
and we have about nine that that are now in the process. I'm building an app now that will be out,
908
01:02:03.099 --> 01:02:13.124
hopefully, for everybody. But what happens is that with that kind of going into the flow, you create a state of in the flow, just like when you riff and you're happy with your band.
909
01:02:13.524 --> 01:02:15.604
That kind of in the flow state
910
01:02:15.844 --> 01:02:19.364
makes you forget the limitations of your body or your mind.
911
01:02:20.499 --> 01:02:26.179
So it allows you for rerouting your brain, rerouting your body, rerouting your knowledge,
912
01:02:26.499 --> 01:02:31.059
and seeing yourself as a better person than you were. As a result, our training
913
01:02:31.299 --> 01:02:33.059
brings people to have higher IQ,
914
01:02:33.774 --> 01:02:34.654
or if
915
01:02:34.814 --> 01:02:35.374
they
916
01:02:35.774 --> 01:02:39.214
have concussionpost concussion syndrome, they don't have it anymore.
917
01:02:39.294 --> 01:02:42.174
Or they are able to perform better or
918
01:02:42.254 --> 01:02:43.294
think better.
919
01:02:43.534 --> 01:02:49.989
More focusing happens, ADHD is gone. In many cases PTSD goes away like really quickly,
920
01:02:50.149 --> 01:02:54.389
or anxiety and depression go away very quickly. So there's a lot of applications
921
01:02:54.629 --> 01:03:00.149
that one can have with that. But again, it has to be done principally, I think mainly
922
01:03:00.584 --> 01:03:06.984
the game aspect, the playful aspect of that was designed so that people actually would relax
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and get in the state of flow.
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Yeah.
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And it's really remarkable what you've been able to achieve with that. I'll just comment on that from personal experience because I just went through post concussion syndrome after a nasty car accident last June in a hit and run. I was knocked out and really injured my spine and shoulder and knee and all sorts of parts of my body needed to be rehabbed.
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Many, many dozens of appointments and vestibular therapy, speech therapy. And so I'm I'm fresh on the other end of that with lots of other symptoms too in terms of mood and not being able to really
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get out of the funk that I was in. So I just want to
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be a testament to the fact that humans really can recover the nervous system, the brain, the body if you put in the work and apply the right sort of stimulus. I know music was an absolute monster
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improvement for me once I was able to start playing again and I was healed up a little bit because, you know, I just read a few articles about this that the essentially what you said that
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the human
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brain or body
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and consciousness doesn't have space to feel pain
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when you're in flow. And I've definitely experienced that, though I had several herniated discs, torn tendons and ligaments and all that stuff and a blown out knee. It's like when I was playing, whether piano or singing or playing guitar, like, you know, I was really in it, I couldn't feel any pain. And what's interesting about that too is that it would definitely ratchet down the level of pain
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kind of for the rest of the day or the rest of the night. Like, it wouldn't completely go away. It would come back when I stopped playing, but I'm I'm so glad that I kind of went through that rehab and it makes me think that other people, no matter where they are, there's there's a way to get better and tune up your skills and tune up your reflexes and all that. Like, my ability to be in front of lights for recording this or or at shows was really it it bugged me out. It put me back on my heels for a long time. But after going through some of this, it's helped so much. So I can't imagine how much your sorts of interventions and therapies could
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help people who are struggling with the same sort of thing or me, hopefully, when
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I try it out. Yeah, I also combine it with a lot of, you know, supplements,
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specific supplements, specific lifestyle change,
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you know, people get better, but then they have to go home and they have to really stick to lifestyle change,
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you know, maybe
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specific things, everybody's different.
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And I don't,
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my training is not cookie cutter, you know, it's like really,
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it's tailored to person, you know, so we're all unique.
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And I think it's really important to be, but what's nice is when you work with like your creatives,
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it's beautiful to see how much more they can
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attinge to, you know, go to the next level.
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And their voices change,
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their capacity to play different instruments at the same time or different riffs at the same time.
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It's just a brain expanse.
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So I'd be honored to play
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around.
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Right on. Yeah, let's jam. Well, Doctor. Lana, so
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great to talk to you. I would love to talk to you some more and invite you back on. But in the meantime, what is the best place for the listeners to find you and your work? Oh, thank you.
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Thinkinterfaces.com
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and there is a button to, you know, get in contact with us or
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doctor morrowthiimthinkinterfaces
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dot com.
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And that's a very maybe you can send a link then later on and connect it to your episode.
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But that's basically the best way of doing it on Instagram. I'm
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doctor lana morrow and
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you can send me a DM, and that's
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very easy.
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We're at the Hive and Well, you know, the wellness center here in Austin,
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in Bee Cave, and it's quite a beautiful, beautiful center.
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And I just have my clinic there, but there are many, many other practitioners and wellness experts who are
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incredibly beautiful. So
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shout out to Alive and Well. It's a great place.
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Amazing. Yes. Even if you don't live in Austin, it's a great place to come hang out and heal or just kick out, kick back for a little bit with some good people. So come hang out with all of us and come see Doctor. Lana too.
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Thank you for having me, and thank you for all your good audience.
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