Replacement Theory

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You're listening to Why we do what we do? Welcome
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And I'm your oh no, what about us host Shane.
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I think you know, we are as much an information
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I feel today we're going to unpack a thing that
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people have gloonbed onto that you know, doesn't make any sense,
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and that is the great replacement theory.
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Yeah, and we'll get into all that. And if you've
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never heard of it, then good for you. But yeah,
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I strap in, Yeah, yeah, exactly. Unfortunately, you will be
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talk more about those things at the end of this discussion,
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but since we're here, we may as well wish everybody
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a happy autistic Pride Day.
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Love that it's go fishing Day, not the card game,
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the actual fishing, but I recommend just doing the card game.
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Yeah, I say I'd rather do the card game.
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Yeah.
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International Panic Day.
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It's also International Picnic Day. I hope you don't get
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those two confused.
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A picnic panic ants and International Sushi Day. So a
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sushi picnic panic with fish because it's a fish fish,
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it's a fishing day.
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It's also National Cheesemaker Day, so a cheese Maker's Day,
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so make sure you know you keep your cheese out
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of the hands of those hants.
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Interesting, so much food going on here. Yeah. Relatedly, it's
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National Cherry Tart Day.
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Delicious. It's also National Splurge Day, so that's uh, splurge
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is a fun word.
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Yeah, it's also like some like potentially gross word, but like, yeah,
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it's fine. It's Animal Rights Awareness Week. I support.
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I love that. It's also carpenter An Awareness Week, which
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goes right along with the International Picnic Day.
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Yeah. Well they're not picnic ants. They're carpenters. They like
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to build stuff.
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They're building you a picnic basket.
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It is Learning Disabilities Week that goes along with the
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Autistic Pride Day.
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Now that I think about this, they're carpenter ants. Do
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you think that there was a Jesus carpenter ant?
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There definitely was. Yeah, there had to.
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Have been at least one, right, that was his occupation.
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It's National roller Coaster Week.
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It is Take your Dog to Work Week. A lot
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of people will love.
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That, yes, and it is a wobbly week sure.
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All right, So those are just a few things to
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celebrate on June eighteenth. I hope that you find some
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joy in whatever one of those or all of those
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that really speak to you in this day of acknowledgment
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and whimsy. But we have a less whimsical discussion ahead
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of us, because, as we said, we're talking about the
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great replacement theory. So in this discussion, we're going to
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unpack what this is, where did it come from, and
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why does it persist? We want to understand the conditions
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that gave rise to this nonsense.
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Yeah, and we're gonna definitely talk about like kind of
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the historical context, some modern implications, and its influence today
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because we're finding that it's showing up in all sorts
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of places, in all sorts of spaces that it really
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shouldn't show up in any of them. It should stay
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in a dark corner and stay there forever. But it
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keeps showing up in politics and all sorts of places
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that are causing a lot of problems for a lot
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of folks.
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Yes, so let's go ahead and get into a story here.
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Want to start with a little bit of story time,
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part true and part fiction, and we'll elaborate on which
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parts are which, but here's the beginning. So European colonizers,
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they had been trotting around the globe, killing and slaving
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and destroying various peoples all around the world, and in
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many places they were establishing themselves as rulers. So this
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is fact. This is a thing that happened.
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Yes. However, after World War Two, European colliningal rule began
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to transition back to data peoples of Africa and the
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Middle East, including a cataclysmic debacle referred to as the
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Partition of India, which would be a fascinating discussion at
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some point because that was incredibly painful for many many folks.
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Yeah, I think as far as world history goes, because
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I feel like we do tend to be more sort
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of US and Western centric, but so much has gone
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on around the world that I think were global events,
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and I do think this is a really important one
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we'll want to get to at some point. So again,
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still factual, we're still saying things that happened, Yes, as
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this decolonization, this like removing ruling elites that are European
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from these other countries. That that's what we're talking about
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with decolonization. As that preceded, massive populations of African and
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Middle Eastern immigrants began moving into European countries such as France,
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England and Spain, so much so that they actually took
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over most of the electorate and government positions and eventually
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completely embedded their culture over top of the previous European
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culture that they pushed out and all the white people
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in Europe are gone.
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Yeah. Obviously that last part never happened. The decalonization part did,
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but the takeover did not. And that is ultimately the
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core belief and theory around great replacement theory is that
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folks are going to come in and they're going to
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replace the dominant culture, and there's gonna be all sorts
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of problems from their quote unquote.
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Yeah. Now, the fact that that never happened was not
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going to stop some very stupid pundits from claiming that
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that was happening or going to happen. And in fact,
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the reason that I used that exact story is because
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part of where this idea started was this fear of
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a huge influx of immigrants following the decolonization of those countries, right,
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And although there have been a lot of immigrants and
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asylum seekers refugees from countries who have come to Europe,
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they have not taken over they have not completely replaced
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whatever existing culture was there, but they have integrated into
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those cultures as immigrants tend to do right, And we
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did a whole discussion on immigrants. But I think again
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it's worth unpacking the history of this and then just
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dismantling it one part at a time because there's really
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nothing here. So the story, I think was just just
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helped show the line of reasoning that led to this
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prediction of what was going to happen that of course
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didn't happen, right, because it's it's completely wrong headed to
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begin with. But we want to set some context here
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so it will unfortunately have to talk about fascism.
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Yes, so fascism needs a scapegoat. It always does. It's
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always going to other people, it's always going to make
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people different than themselves. But by itself, fascism is a
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cannibalistic political orientation, so it consolidates its power by uniting
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people behind fear of a common enemy, usually somebody of
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a different country, race, you know whatever. And of course
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once the enemy are all gone, what ends up happening
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is fast you start killing each other. But there are
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a lot of people to have his enemies, so fascism
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kind of perpetuates in that regard.
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Yeah, it'll take it'll take a while to get to
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the point where all their quote unquote enemies are gone,
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and then they'll turn on each other. Sure, because they
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need fear in violence. That's all fascism is this fear
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and violence right now. To establish this fear and manipulate
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the minds of weak, gullible people, they generally will choose
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a group that is small enough that that group can't
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really rise up against the people who are who have
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authority and the authoritarians. And they also will generally want
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to pick a group that's distinct enough that they can
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be easily targeted. There's not really much more rhyme or
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or reason or thought to it than that. It's really
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just who can we victimize and get away with it.
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It's kind of the bully mentality, right, It's like, go
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after someone who can't fight back, who has no social support,
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just because you can get away with it.
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Right. Absolutely, to help make the threat real, they need
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to establish an agenda to the group who they're demonizing.
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So basically simply saying being afraid of a group is
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insufficient to inspire hateful action and and it's hard to
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garner support for their political agenda if we're just saying
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be afraid. So they need to have a specific thing
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to be afraid of.
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So what they do, a really common idea or tactic
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that they use then is to threaten that or present
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that it's a threat that this enemy group that they've targeted,
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whoever that might be, is going to take They're going
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to take away things from the inpower group that they're
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to take away the things that they hold dear. They're
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going to take their jobs. They're going to install their
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own religion and cultural practices and make the people who
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are there before them religion illegal and their cultural practices
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taboo and illegal. And they're going to expunge the cultural
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practices and values of the people who are currently living
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in that space.
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I want to comment on that just for a second,
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because there is a historical precedent for like some of
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the features of what you just described. It's it's possible,
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like you know, a new a new empire may step
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in and make parts of the previous culture illegal. We
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saw that happen in conquering empires where they would do that.
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You saw situations where they would make certain religions illegal
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and we're not talking about immigrants, we're talking about empires
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and colonizers that we're doing this so the people that
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were in power, we're doing this thing that they're saying
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that we should be afraid of doing, right, Like, So
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it's I think it's really important to point that piece out.
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Yeah, you're actually skipping ahead a little because we will
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come back to that, but that's okay, Sorry, No, it
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was great because I do think that that is a
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point that should be made multiple times because if you
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leave with nothing else from this discussion, that is actually
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one of the points I think is important for people
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to leave with is understanding that.
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Yeah, yeah, exactly. So the idea that we're talking about
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here is pretty old though, right. Arguably, most major religions
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have fear of other of the other baked into them,
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like into their own religions. Although the Abrahamic religions put
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this fear on megasteroids, like it is like amplified by millions. Right,
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Even the story about the crucifixion of Jesus has an
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element of xenophobia to it. I mean, it's arguably like
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one of the things that many anti Semitic arguments, well
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like they'll actually use that as like, well, actually it
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was this group that crucified Jesus and all that. You'll
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hear those arguments in that.
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Yeah, and you'll see a big theme of all of
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this as anti Semitism. And we'll get into that, of
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course after we get into Samats. All right, we're back.
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The whole point so far up to this point has
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been that fascism and this idea of being able to
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manipulate people through fear by identifying that some other group
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of people as an enemy. And there are more modern
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iterations of this fear that can be traced back to
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at least as far as Charles Pearson in eighteen ninety two.
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He was a British Australian author who wrote that in
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the near future, white people would quote wake to find
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ourselves elbowed and hustled and perhaps even thrust aside by
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people's whom we look down upon. End quote. Of course
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that never happened, and that was over one hundred and
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thirty years ago. But even in his description, it's just
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so dumb and so backward and so wrong.
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The irony.
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Yeah, I know, first of all, he's an immigrant, but white,
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so like apparently that's okay, and that like the space
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is just going to be so completely filled with people
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and then like people whom we looked down upon. I'm like,
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what that's.
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soak in for a second, right.
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to be surrounded by people against whom I'm racist and
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that makes me unhappy. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, boo, okay, Yeah,
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it's ridiculous, You're stupid, joke.
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and character depicted a particularly apocalyptic view of integrating different
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races into society, spawning an entire genre of books warning
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against the dangers of immigrants or even just allowing other
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non white races to exist. It's like a super fascist
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Nazi handbook.
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inspired by this, some of them. I mean, it's not
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that he kicked off this whole thing, but like he
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did sort of inspire that genre, which influenced more people
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to write about more similar things. And so a lot
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of these people that were going to be describing here
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in a moment cite these as influential, as influential on
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their path to fascist hatred.
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So the next word, Edward Drumont or I think this
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is French. So. Edouard Drumont was a French journalist and
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the leader of an anti Semitic movement in France. He
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wrote articles in the late eighteen hundreds that espoused the
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idea that Jews would destroy French culture, which, of course
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exactly is what happened. There's no more French culture.
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Yeah, look, we don't have French cuisine. Yeah, we don't
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have French movies.
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France is gone.
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Yeah, France is gone. It's been gone for decades. Ridiculous. Now,
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Italian poet and Benito Mussolini supporter Philippo Tomaso Marionnetti vocally
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asserted that fascism in war were the only way to
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quote cure the world.
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Oh yeah, very gross. And it's I think it's Marinetti,
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not Mariannetti.
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all right, So, inspired by Charles Pearson, the first one
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that we mentioned back in the eighteen ninety two, I think.
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nineteen sixteen called The Passing of the Great Race in
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which he warned that America's great quote unquote Nordic stock
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was in decline, and so, yeah, he wrote his book,
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and Evenler cited his book as being influential. If that
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tells you anything about the kind of crowd these people
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are running with here.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, the circles they keep, you know. Now,
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of course, Nazism strongly embraced the fear of the other,
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specifically targeting Jewish people and culture as a threat to
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German people, although they also took aim at other marginalized
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groups such as people disabilities and LBGTQ plus people among others.
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Like this was like they were not indiscriminate and who
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they targeted as who they othered and tried to take out,
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but specifically the Jewish folks were the ones that they
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really pinned down as like the primary enemy if you will.
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embraced this replacement hypothesis idea and just applied it to
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Jews as their target. But it's the same, the same
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thing going on here. Right next, we had Jeen rass
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Speel again, another French author here, who published a book
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in nineteen seventy three called The Camp of Saints. And
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this is a racist dystopian novel about the downfall of
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the white race and is one that is very commonly
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cited as one of the most important and influential and
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sort of modern white supremacy movement things.
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Right now. William Luther Pierce was a neo Nazi, white
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supremacist and political activist who wrote a book, a fictional
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book under the pseudonym Andrew McDonald in nineteen seventy eight
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about the US government being overthrown, and it was called
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The Turner Diaries. This book has been called quote the
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Bible of racist of the racist right, as opposed to
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the regular Bible. I guess it's like, you know, that's
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the whole thing, but part two. Yeah, so this is
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like kind of like you'll see that this is the
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go to This is the Cooper Book of White Supremacy.
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Oh god, that that was. That was That was a
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nerdy nerdy reference also shots fired.
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I think no, no, no, let me be clear, I like
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the Cooper book. That's I am saying, like as it
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represents what it does. It represents like kind of like
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the seminal text for a belief system. So yeah, let
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me be clear, I actually really like the Cooper book.
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I think it's important. I don't want to dog that
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and in not comparing them to anybody on the right side,
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what I'm saying more so is that this book, the
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Turner Diaries, is a seminal work, like a central work
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to the theoretical orientation that is white supremacy.
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Fair okay, yes, all right. So we've been sort of
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tracing the timeline of these racist authors espousing white supremacy
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and publishing these books over the last century and a
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half or so. But the modern realization of this conspiratorial
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fear mongering is mostly credited to Renaud Camouse or Camus,
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another French author, What is going On in France? Uh huh,
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who published a book in twenty ten and a follow
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up in twenty eleven. The first one, even though I
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took French and can read it, okay, I could not
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read that title very easily. The second one is simply
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called legram Rumplacement, which of course translates to the great replacement,
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and that is where the term the great replacement theory
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was coined as far as like sort of the modern
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interpretation of that or iteration.
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Sure, so this is also called white genocide or simply
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great replacement. The idea, if you haven't gathered already, is
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this idea that the white culture will be consumed by
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non white people and completely obliterated. This almost always, like
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ninety nine percent of the time, has some key components,
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which includes A, it's aggressively pro Christian, B it's anti Semitic.
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C it's very very white, and d it is violent.
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And this is a very fragile, insecure idea that's dependent
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on the idea that there is such a thing as
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white culture and that there is some monolithic thing that
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is non white culture, and that the non white culture
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is hell bent on destroying the white culture. Like the
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idea is that anybody who does not belong to quote
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unquote white culture is actively and aggressively trying to dismantle
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white culture and not dismantle, destroy and obliterate and eliminate
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white culture.
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Yeah, that's that's essentially the sort of implication of what
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they're always describing, is this this war like approach to
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just to to culture and that there's like a thing
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that's called white culture and a thing that's not which
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of course is not really is not real, but we'll
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get into that as well right now. So this whole idea,
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this is a great replacement theory obviously, and we've talked
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about this before. Calling it a theory is being incredibly generous.
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Sure it's described as a conspiracy theory in a way,
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it is, but it's almost more like a propaganda campaign
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that works really well and manipulated a lot of people.
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So it's some abomination combination of like a conspiracy theory
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and a propaganda campaign. And I get that probably a
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lot of propaganda campaigns are specifically meant to like foster
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the idea of a conspiracy, but I don't know, it
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really is more about manipulating and controlling people and getting
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them to support like give you power than it is
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really rooted in the idea that this is actually going
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to happen. Like, I don't know how many of the
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people actually buy their own bullshit and this I know
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sure some of them do, like the diehard white supremacists
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obviously do I oh, well not obviously, I think that
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they do. But I think in a lot of cases,
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it's really just a lever to pull to manipulate people
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into supporting you.
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Yeah. I mean the way you can look at it
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is like, imagine if birds aren't real. Decided that seagulls
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were going to take over pigeon culture, and so then
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they told everybody to go kill every seagull. And then
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once every seagull was gone, then they said, oh, we
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need to continue to protect pigeon culture because every other
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bird will take over pigeons. And then you just started
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mass executions of all the other birds that weren't pigeons.
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Wow. No, that was an impressive analogy there.
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Sometimes I got them off the dome, my friend. Sometimes
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they come to me, you know, sometimes I find amuse.
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You know. Now, Embedded in this line of argument is
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that non white people will outnumber and outvote, or have
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at least enough sympathizers to outvote the interest of white
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society and will then eliminate all traces of that white
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culture and probably all white people as a result.
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At the very least, they will come to power such
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that white people in white culture are made insignificance and
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have no power or autonomy. I think is at least
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one other way that this might be iterated again, this
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is just their arguments, this is their right nonsense, of course.
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But the great irony here, as we discussed, is that
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European colonizers are the ones responsible for almost all versions
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of genocide about which they're afraid. The Nazis. Colonization, manifest
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destiny are just like some examples of how like if
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you could call anything white culture that kind of is it,
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I think, right? And it has been the thing going
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around destroying others. So there's not that many examples, I think,
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I mean, there are examples, but I think the vast
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expanse of colonization and what it has done I think
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shows that like these are the perpetrators here who are
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then accusing everyone else of doing the thing that they're
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actually doing.
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Right. One of the most I think poignant examples is
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that like the Dutch, specifically Dutch trading companies wiped out
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entire civilizations for nutmeg. Yeah, for nutmeg, not like golden
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treasures and like you know, I mean not that any
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of it's ever justified, but for nutmeg.
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Like you know, a worse version of cinnamon. Well, I
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think on that here's an ad for nutmeg. All right,
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we shall continue describing what's going on here with this
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replacement theory.
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Yeah, so, out of a great fear of white folks
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being replaced and obliterated and culture being taken over, racist
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xenophobic figureheads spearheaded the eugenicist Pioneer Fund and policies that
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established a racial quota system for immigrants in the early
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nineteen hundred, as well as for sterilization programs that scholars
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estimate impacts more than seventy thousand people of color. So
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you know, they used this to kind of go to
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institute significantly impactful and problematic policies.
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Yeah, there were actually several states in the United States
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that had forced sterilization programs, and they were largely born
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out of, I mean, if not entirely born out of
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a eugenics movement designed to distill and weed out genetic
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variability that did not meet a certain thresholder standard. And
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again there's a great irony here in that, like genetic
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diversity actually greatly enhances the strength and viability of a
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species or group of anything, really, and that by trying
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to distill or i guess remove the variability that might
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be a part of other ethnicities and races, actually greatly
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weakens the people of a given culture or nation. Yeah,
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and they're already apparently quite weak and pathetic, otherwise they
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wouldn't be doing this in the first place.
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But right, we don't have to cite all the examples
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of all the weak, inbred white kings that existed and
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how they couldn't they could barely rule their their territories,
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you know, like that's a story for a different day.
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They all because they all they were like, we gotta
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stay white, and then they were just like weak wafy
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milk toast nerds.
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Yeah, yeah, and genetically just on the end of the stick,
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if you will.
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All right, So again I think it's worth pointing out that,
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like the perpetrators of violence here who they really are,
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because a lot of times the fear of mongering is
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that like, these people of color are going to come
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in and they're going to do violence against white people,
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or if they're not people of color, then like Jewish
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people or whatever, a people of some faith or just
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some other it just has to be another group they're
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going to come in and they're going to do violence
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against us. And the irony here is the people actually
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doing the violence. So here are some examples of people
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who were doing a lot of violence and doing so
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in the name of and citing specifically the fear of
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being replaced as their motive for doing these violent things. So,
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and this is not a comprehensive list, this is just
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some examples of some that happened. In twenty eleven, Anders Bravik,
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I think is how you would say that a Brevic
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Brevic Okay of Norway targeted a youth camp, killing seventy
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seven people, referencing these replacement fears as one of his
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reasons for doing this. In twenty fifteen, neo Nazi, Republican
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and white supremacist Dylan Roof now only thirty one, so
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he was only I guess, oh that have been fourteen
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years ago. Man, he's a teenager twenty one. Yeah. Anyway,
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so he massacred eight people at the Emmanual African Methodist
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Episcopal Church and Charleston, South Carolina during Bible study, again
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with evidence suggesting that one of his motives was fear
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of this great replacement thing. Yeah.
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I just want to comment real quick on Andrews Brevoc too,
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because like he did a lot of damage. But something
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that people don't know is that he would often sit
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in his computer chair online and just poop his pants
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as an adult, on purpose because he didn't want to
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leave his computer. So he's just you know, just know
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that about him when you think if his name strikes
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fear like upsets, you just know that he pooped his
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pants on purpose because he didn't want to get up
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and use the bathroom, because he was that lazy.
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So cool, all right.
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So in Pittsburgh in twenty eighteen, a synagogue shooter blamed
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Jewish organizations for facilitating immigration. In twenty nineteen, a mass
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shooter at a christ Church mosque in New Zealand explicitly
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cited the Great Replacement as a motive for the actions.
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Unfortunately, We're not done. In twenty nineteen in El Paso, Texas,
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another neo Nazi, white supremacist Republican Patrick wood Crusius, killed
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twenty three people injuring about twenty more and cited the
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fear of the Hispanic invasion as his motive, which there
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were some specific talking points out of the administration at
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the time that were in the list of things that
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he was referencing yep. And twenty twenty two, in a
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Buffalo supermarket in New York in a largely black neighborhood,
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a white supremacist Republican shooter murdered ten people, with evidence
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that he had an obsession with this idea of replacement theory.
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Yep. In twenty seventeen, at a Unite the Right rally
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in Charlottesville, Republican protesters carried Nazi swastikas and chanted you
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will not replace us, and quote the Jews will not
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replace us. And eventually a counter protester was killed by
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one of the alt right protesters who ran them down
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with their car.
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Yeah, so that's a list of people who are doing violence,
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who again are doing so in the name of and
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fear of this great replacement thing. Now, are all these
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mass murderers reading obscure nineteen hundred textbooks or novels or
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that one or multiple French authors racist treaties? Unlikely? Right?
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Like how this? I doubt that these are people who
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like found these in a library and that's sort of
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what set them on the path. Sure, these are global,
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fragile incell ponds who are being played by major media
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outlets such as newsmax On and Fox News. In particular,
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Taco Carlson has openly used the term great replacement dozens
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or maybe even hundreds of times across various segments. I
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did see a tally count of like whatever it was,
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but then I didn't write it down and I didn't
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want to go back and find it. But it was
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a lot like it was. He said the great replacement
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over and over and over and over again.
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It's a consistent bullet point.
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Yeah it is. And although thankfully he doesn't have as
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large of an audience anymore, as far as I know,
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I'm sure he's still used that idea.
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Yeah. Absolutely. Former Republican Congressman Matt Gates and Beavis look
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alike tweeted in support of Carlson, saying, at Tucker, Carlson
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is correct about replacement theory as he explains what is
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happening to America. Quote and of course, Steve Bannon, Alex Jones,
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and many people in the Trump administration, especially Trump himself,
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have loudly proclaimed the dangers of non white people. I mean,
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And the thing is is they're not just they're not
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saying it's they're saying it suddenly in some ways, but
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they're not saying it suddenly in some of their actions
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and policies. Right, So, like there are those dog whistles
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that go out, but then there's also you know, travel bands,
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and like if you look at where the travel bands
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are coming from, it's not for any other reason other
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than the people have more melanin in their skin, you know.
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And so you'll find that that is time and time
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again actions not just what they're saying, but that what
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they're doing is supporting these super racist policies.
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And this is not to i think, miss the points
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that like the phrase great replacement or some version of it,
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has been actively used out loud by people with really
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big megaphones. Yeah who, Like, that's why these people cite
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and use that term is because it is one that
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they It was brought out of this sort of obscure
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alt right community and went sort of mainstream, and people
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like Tucker Carlson were a major reason that that was
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able to happen. But you're also right that a lot
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of times it is the things that they do that
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essentially they carry with it the same implication even if
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they're not exactly calling it that, and they are again,
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just like old fascism playbook, they just need to other
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somebody so they will accuse them all kinds of things
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in order to create fear about them. They accuse immigrants
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of being criminals. They claim that Democrats are trying to
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bring in people who will vote for in along Democratic
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party lines. They impose, as you mentioned, travel bands on
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countries that largely have non white populations. There's all these
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different strategies that they use that specifically say like white people,
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well here, non white people non welcome here, right, are
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not welcome here. And that's essentially like what their actions
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sort of do. And again, although right now it is
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politically expedient for them to be very pro Israel and
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this current situation that is going on globally, this is
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an anti Semitic movement, like and I think that once
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it is not as expeditious to be so pro Israel,
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they will go right back to being anti Semitic again.
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Yeah, absolutely, I mean, you know, it's like drug wars
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as an example. I know we talked about this on
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the show before, but the drug the war on drugs
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was an example of a failed policy that was absolutely
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done because it was othering groups of people when statistically
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we know that most drug charges, like severe significant drug charges,
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not like you know, cannabis, we're talking meth we're talking
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about fentanyl. I'm gonna tell you right now, it's not immigrants,
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it's not people that, it's not non white people, it's
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mostly white people. Yeah, most of the drugs that we're
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dealing with, like all the quote unquote influx of drugs
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from other countries, it's not coming from other countries. It's
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being made here. It's being made in meth labs and
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labs by mostly white folks. So just it's important to
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know that when we start talking about this and how
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other ink can make this really dangerous. Like you know,
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you say something like, oh, this group of people is
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bringing in drugs from our country. Now you've targeted an
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entire population of people, and now you have incited violence
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against the population of people. And well, I mean you'll
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see as it continues going forward, how people are influenced
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by this. Now, let's talk about Twitter for a second.
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Once Elon Musk bought Twitter, which was already a hellscape
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of hate speech and just terribleness, they essentially removed all
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policies that would in any way downplay the enophobic rhetoric.
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And Facebook did the same, and now you can't go
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on to those pages. You can't go on to those
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platforms without just being exposed to just an abundance of
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hate and a lot of it's citing great replacement theory
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as a big part of where this language and where
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like the talking points are coming from.
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Yeah, and again, I think it's because it's such a
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an easy to understand points to make. I think people
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can latch onto that. It doesn't require very many words.
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The idea is pretty simple and like it's it's easy
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to communicate, and so I think that's one of the
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reasons it has been such an effective and widely used
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tactic is just because it is so easy to sort
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of communicate and get buy in from this.
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And it taps into a different fear. Like I think
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it taps into a different fear than just being like
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like other people. It taps into like a natural fear
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that people have of like not being useful or not
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or being obsolete. Like nobody nobody wants to feel like
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they aren't useful for someone. Nobody wants to feel like
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they could be replaced at any time. People want to
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feel special. So like it makes sense that it's like
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a It's like there's a unique fear there that people
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go oh, like oh, you're telling me that I am good,
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I'm I don't matter, and that doesn't feel good. So
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that that's an easy that's an easy like ational appeal
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for folks.
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Yeah, and what could also make you feel specials? Targeted? Ads? Ah, Okay,
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we're gonna keep talking through. I mean, we're sort of
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at the point now where we're explaining a bit like
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why this works in the extent to which it works,
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And sadly, the rhetoric has worked remarkably well around replacement theory.
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Surveys indicate fairly widespread belief in this, with sixty percent
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of French and roughly thirty three percent of Americans like
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one in three having concerns tied to great replacement fears.
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Even those who don't actually really know about this theory,
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like they've never maybe noticed or heard those words explicitly,
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they'll still fall victim to it, with a whopping eighty
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two percent of Trump supporting voters citing immigration as one
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of the top concerns and one of the reasons to
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vote for Trump. And I think they knew this pretty
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well going in into this campaign, that it was an
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easy lever to pull to manipulate a lot of people
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who aren't really paying attention and don't know any better.
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Right. What's more, it's a vicious cycle. Fear about non
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white people fuels anti immigrant policies, xenophobic rhetoric, and racial
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tensions globally, which stokes more fear about immigrants and generates
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more xenophobia and hate. Like it's a snake eating its
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own tail, and it just is causing a lot of problems.
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Now, we've been criticizing this, I think, the whole time,
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but it's worth like really digging into and debunking this idea,
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the ideas of great replacement, they don't really make any sense,
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and they have no basis in reality anyway, almost no
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basis in reality. And we say almost no basis because
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arguably this is exactly what colonizers did, particularly those who
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came to America, what they did to the indigenous population,
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which was essentially to wipe them out and take over
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the country. So like, it is a thing that has happened,
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although it's largely happened by white people. So I'm not
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saying that there is that means that they're like this
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idea holds any water. But you could point to an
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example of one culture coming in and completely pushing out
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another and that is white people and colonizers, right, doing
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that to other people, not that being done to them.
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Right. My favorite response to all of this, and we'll
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get into some of this more about, Like my favorite
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response to all of this is that when people say
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they're afraid to like that white people will become the minority,
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you ask the question, well, what's so wrong about that? Like,
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is there a problem with how minorities are being treated?
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Is that your concern? And maybe you should evaluate that question, right,
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because if you're so worried about it, then maybe you
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should evaluate how we're treating people in general. So that's
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like one of my favorite discussion points, Like you should
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think about that.
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If you're concerned about being treated the way that minorities
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are treated, then you're acknowledging that minorities are being treated
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in a way that you would not want to be treated. Yeah,
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and you're also one of the people perpetuating that.
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Yeah, exactly, So who ooh, all right. So otherwise, like
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you know, as we're talking about this, these ideas don't
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hold any water at all. Great replacement theory does not
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hold any water. So, for one thing, Christian ideologies that
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they're trying to protect are not shared universally among white people.
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Only allowing white people and pushing for white people to
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have tons of children in no way guarantees or is
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even likely to result in people who share theirse enophobic
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hatred and violence. It's like it's it's one of those
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things where it just it doesn't make any practical sense
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when you really think about it.
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Yeah, I mean, they're essentially and I'm about to get
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into this, but they're talking about like the problem of
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this monolithic, homogeneous group of non white people, and I'm like,
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that implies that white people are a monolithic, homogenist group,
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and they're right, absolutely not. Now both of us are
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very light skinned people, and I both of us strongly
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disagree with everything that these people say, thank you and belief,
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and so like, I don't know that you are protect
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and even what you think you want to protect. But again,
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the motive here isn't actually based on any line of
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reasoning irrational. It is just to motivate people to give
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them power. So it does make sense that they wouldn't
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necessarily think very much about their argument and would just
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make an argument that would rile people up to right
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and it does so in line with that whole thing that, like,
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white people are not a homogeneous group of like minded people.
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There's no reason to think that non white people are
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necessarily liberal or would support liberal policies that are anti
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this like conservative right wing sort of thing, or that
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they would anyway attempt to try and impose their own
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cultural practices into primarily white spaces. Like, there's just no
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reason to think that, Like, they're not a homogenous group.
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They're also not a homogenous group. There are a lot
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of different different ethnicities and cultures, and like, within a
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single family, you will have people who vary widely across
723
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:56.639
the political spectrum. And these are not only people who
724
00:38:56.679 --> 00:39:00.159
are of the same background and ethnicity, but like are
725
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:03.400
related to each other who cannot even agree. Like, so
726
00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:05.400
it doesn't make sense to expect that they'd all be
727
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:08.920
this Like if the conspiracy theory here was that Democrats
728
00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:10.760
are trying to bring in all of these non white
729
00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:13.440
voters to support Democrats, Like, what makes you think they're
730
00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:17.199
going to support Democrats? Right, Like, just be like, there's
731
00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:19.880
just no reason for that that just because they're like
732
00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:22.440
more friendly to people immigrating, doesn't mean that those people
733
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are then going to be liberal.
734
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Right, Yeah, exactly, And actually that's we see that quite
735
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often to that point, Like savvy Republican politicians are well
736
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:34.880
aware of all of this, and they have done fairly well,
737
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:38.159
specifically with Latino voters who tend to be very Catholic
738
00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:42.639
and often have conservative values, especially depending on where they
739
00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:46.159
have either emigrated from or their values.
740
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Right.
741
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So, like you'll find in Miami specifically, you'll find a
742
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:53.760
lot of conservative Cuban families because they may have emigrated
743
00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:56.320
from Cuba and they don't they do not want to
744
00:39:56.360 --> 00:39:59.599
return to any form or way of socialism, right, right,
745
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:03.559
So they'll vote more conservative, more republican Republican because a
746
00:40:03.559 --> 00:40:05.880
lot of talking points tend to be that socialism is
747
00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:09.239
a more liberal democratic thing. And you'll see those conversations
748
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:12.000
happen a lot. It's really fascinating, Like I've had I've
749
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:14.119
had a lot of conversations with folks in Miami, and
750
00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:16.199
it's like you'll see that kind of viewpoint come up,
751
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:19.320
especially if it's like first generation immigrants from Cuba.
752
00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:23.199
Yeah, very much. So that there's this, uh, the experience
753
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:26.440
of like being really afraid of what was being called
754
00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:29.440
I guess you call it left. I mean, you know,
755
00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:30.559
it's yeah, it.
756
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:33.760
Was the version of communism that exists in Cuba, you.
757
00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:38.000
Know, yeah, which was largely like authoritarian and actual implication.
758
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:41.519
But right, again we've sort of had that discussion as well,
759
00:40:41.559 --> 00:40:44.400
I think, or we will again in the future, who knows. Yeah,
760
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:47.639
we made our point, all right. Also, this construct of
761
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:50.880
race is very nebulous, Like what even is a race?
762
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:54.000
This is very vague at best, And what is necessarily
763
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:57.199
white or non white has more gray area than not,
764
00:40:57.440 --> 00:41:00.239
if you will, So, what would it even mean to
765
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:03.559
fear non white people if you can't even identify who
766
00:41:03.639 --> 00:41:07.599
those people are? Like? Right, I think you could very
767
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:10.119
easily make the case that there is no such thing
768
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:12.639
as race. Like even if you were to look at
769
00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:15.239
people who tend to have low levels of melanin in
770
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:18.000
their skin and tend to have fair skin, you have
771
00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:21.199
a pretty wide variety of what their skin still looks like. Yeah,
772
00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:24.760
And why would that matter at all? Like in terms
773
00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:28.760
of what your skin looks like, it doesn't. So just
774
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:31.519
even trying to segment the world into white and non
775
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:33.960
white by itself doesn't make sense because there is no
776
00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:35.039
such thing as that.
777
00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:38.119
Yeah, I mean, if you really like wanted to narrow
778
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:40.280
it down, like you'd have to look at great replacement
779
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:43.719
theory being like almost like specific countries, like you'd have
780
00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:45.559
to go like and even then and that's all made up.
781
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:47.440
All the borders are made up, so it doesn't matter.
782
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:49.079
But like it's one of those things where it's like
783
00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:51.480
you if people really bought in the great replacement theory,
784
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:53.360
like as somebody who is Irish, I would be very
785
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:56.960
concerned if I started, like, you know, losing my Irishness
786
00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:00.440
to German populations. Like that would also be like in
787
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:03.199
line with great replacement theory if you were really looking
788
00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:06.079
at it. But it's just really white versus everybody else,
789
00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:09.400
which is you know, xenophobic and racist. Now, this theory
790
00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:12.119
also posits that there are other races that the other
791
00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:14.199
races that are non white or violent and will directly
792
00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:17.119
harm white people, but the evidence actually shows the opposite,
793
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where minority groups and immigrants are much more likely to
794
00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:22.320
be the victims of crime and violence than to perpetuate it,
795
00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:25.679
and that white supremacists are the ones actually committing racially
796
00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:29.280
motivated mass killings. And we saw many examples just above,
797
00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:31.000
and you know we can we won't get in the
798
00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:34.599
examples of like you know, police brutality and those systems
799
00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:38.480
as well. There are lots of examples of white on
800
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any non white violence that it's just it's unreal the
801
00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:44.039
number of examples we could share.
802
00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:47.159
Yeah, and you know, going back to just one point,
803
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I wanted to make that that we hadn't said understanding
804
00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:54.280
again that like this is not necessarily the idea of
805
00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:57.159
replacement theory wants to treat non white people as if
806
00:42:57.159 --> 00:43:01.199
they're this homogenous group that will not support conservative policies.
807
00:43:01.239 --> 00:43:05.000
And again it's really just about manipulating people into an extent,
808
00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:08.880
creating fear and rallying people behind your cause. There's also,
809
00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:12.519
of course, just embedded racism here. But even like George W.
810
00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:16.679
Bush in a twenty seventeen speech gave this response where
811
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he said, quote, our identity as a nation, unlike other nations,
812
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is not determined by geography or ethnicity, by soil or blood.
813
00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:28.039
This means that people of every race, religion, and ethnicity
814
00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:31.440
can be fully and equally American. It means that bigotry
815
00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:34.800
or white supremacy in any form is blasphemy against the
816
00:43:34.840 --> 00:43:36.480
American creed. End quote.
817
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:40.960
So I'm sorry, let me let me hold on, hold on.
818
00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:42.559
That was from George W. Bush.
819
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George W. Bush. Wow, I know, see, we are in
820
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:48.639
the cursed timeline.
821
00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:49.800
What is happening.
822
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:55.119
This is someone who I vehemently disagreed with when he
823
00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:57.599
was in office, and looking back on it, think like it.
824
00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:00.639
Wasn't so bad. He wasn't bad. The guy we got
825
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:02.920
now is wild well. And this is also the same
826
00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:04.880
guy that like decided to like start a war in
827
00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:08.559
the Middle East and was incredibly violent about it. So like,
828
00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:11.239
you know, it's it's maybe he's maybe he's like remorseful.
829
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I don't know, Yeah, he's he's complicated, but not like
830
00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:21.000
the simpleton that currently is has control over things. So yeah, yeah,
831
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I don't know. We long for boring news, I think,
832
00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:26.559
is the moral of that story.
833
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Yes, yes, yes, Also I wanted to point out something
834
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real quick as we were talking about this. I think
835
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a lot of you'll find that a lot of the
836
00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:34.960
language that we talk about with great replacement theory is
837
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:37.760
white versus non white. And we've been saying that as
838
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:40.559
we've been going through because that is essentially what the
839
00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:43.480
core theory of great replacement theory is is that you've
840
00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:45.480
got white folks and you've got everybody else who's going
841
00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:48.920
to take over. And we know that race and ethnicity
842
00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:51.320
and all that is not binary. So like when we
843
00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:54.800
say white and non white, we're only referencing specifically what
844
00:44:55.239 --> 00:44:58.119
great replacement theory is kind of citing. We know that
845
00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:00.599
there are better terms for that, right, Like you've got white,
846
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:02.760
you've got bipock, you've got indigenous, You've got lots of
847
00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:05.880
different kinds of discussions to say, you know, non white,
848
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:08.320
because we're not saying that it's white and everybody else.
849
00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:09.920
But I just wanted to point that out as we
850
00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:11.840
were kind of talking about this, it's we know that
851
00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:15.760
it's more complex and more spectrumed and more diverse than
852
00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:17.719
what great replacement theory is saying.
853
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:20.639
Yes, yeah, very much. So we were trying to not
854
00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:24.199
actually espouse this idea that there is such a thing
855
00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:28.039
as white and non white, that that by itself is
856
00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:30.920
a flaw in the argument they yes, they're even trying
857
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:34.719
to make, much like ads are a flaw of podcasts
858
00:45:33.880 --> 00:45:44.639
always ads. All right, let's get into our sort of
859
00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:48.880
final wrap up here in this discussion. And I think
860
00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:51.360
you know, we like to stick to science as closely
861
00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:53.639
as we possibly can, and I do think that some
862
00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:58.440
amount of talking about things critically, like doing some critical thinking,
863
00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:02.519
although as not an exactly an experiment, it is a
864
00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:06.039
way of trying to deconstruct an argument and understand all
865
00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:08.760
the points of that argument. But to say that there
866
00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:12.320
is no evidence in support of great replacement, I think
867
00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:14.880
that that is scientifically accurate. There is no evidence for
868
00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:18.000
this at all. But I also think that that's too gentle.
869
00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:20.760
That is too gentle for what's going on here. The
870
00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:27.159
great replacement theory is unbelievably being stupid. It is mind boggling,
871
00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:32.079
leafing stupid. It is monumentally dumber than a bag of
872
00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:36.159
rocks king stupid. It is just through and through wrong.
873
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:40.880
It is dumb wrong. And take that as you will
874
00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:42.559
in terms of the people who bought into it. But
875
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:46.400
the theory itself is very, very unbelievably stupid.
876
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:48.880
Yeah, So you might be asking, as we kind of
877
00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:50.440
get to the end of this, like what can we
878
00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:52.880
do about this? Well, we can do stuff like this.
879
00:46:53.039 --> 00:46:55.559
We can educate We can educate people on the historical
880
00:46:55.599 --> 00:46:58.360
misuse and the fallacies of the theory, and that's crucial.
881
00:46:58.599 --> 00:47:01.559
We can educate people on what race means and what
882
00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:05.239
diversity does. For populations. We can advocate for awareness and
883
00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:09.960
cultural sensitivity and actively counter replacement theory, so specifically narratives
884
00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:12.320
of media and politics, and hold media and social media
885
00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:15.760
companies to higher standards and hold them accountable for their
886
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:18.599
role in the spread of this hate speating misinformation and
887
00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:22.199
their spread of disinformation. We also need to recognize societal
888
00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:25.159
risks and actively combat the spread of hateful rhetoric. We
889
00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:28.000
also have to recognize our own biases and our implicit biases.
890
00:47:28.039 --> 00:47:29.840
We have to know our own learning histories and how
891
00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:32.199
that influences the way that we see things. We have
892
00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:34.079
to look at our communities and how to educate our
893
00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:37.519
communities and and and the concerns of our communities, because
894
00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:41.599
many times great replacement theory is used as a means
895
00:47:41.679 --> 00:47:46.880
to really exploit people's actual fears, you know, like people
896
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:51.119
communities are worried about losing workers, Like farming communities are
897
00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:53.639
worried about losing crops and the and the and the
898
00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:56.360
little money they make from their crops. They're worried. They
899
00:47:56.440 --> 00:48:00.480
have legitimate community fears that are nothing to do with race,
900
00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:03.800
and everything to do with society and structure and systems,
901
00:48:04.039 --> 00:48:06.519
and those systems are perpetuated by people that are in power,
902
00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:09.280
and we have to look at that and evaluate that
903
00:48:09.400 --> 00:48:11.559
and understand that the communities and the people that are
904
00:48:11.599 --> 00:48:14.480
being taken advantage of are also true victims in this too.
905
00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:18.079
You know, you've got non white populations, bipop populations who
906
00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:21.000
are victims of violence and aggression. But you've also got
907
00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:23.840
white populations who have legitimate fears in their communities, who
908
00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:25.880
are not being taken care of them by their politicians
909
00:48:26.039 --> 00:48:28.239
and by the people that they're putting in office, and
910
00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:30.440
they are also victims of this because they are being
911
00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:33.079
duped into believing that somebody else is the enemy when
912
00:48:33.079 --> 00:48:35.000
the people that are in office are often the ones
913
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:38.480
who are directly violating their rights. You've got people that
914
00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:41.880
are being taught to vote against their own interests, and
915
00:48:41.960 --> 00:48:45.280
it is happening time and time again. So there are many, many,
916
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:48.199
many victims in this that is really important to bend down,
917
00:48:48.519 --> 00:48:50.320
and almost none of them are politicians.
918
00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:53.000
That's true. And as we said, like this is essentially
919
00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:56.360
a propaganda campaign, and so it is taking people who
920
00:48:57.199 --> 00:49:03.039
are able to be hoodwinked by the propaganda machine and
921
00:49:03.199 --> 00:49:05.920
who then are sort of getting squeezed and moved like
922
00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:08.440
ponds when it is not in their best interest. But
923
00:49:08.480 --> 00:49:12.119
they sort of have tricked people into voluntarily going that route.
924
00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:15.239
They've they've talked them into giving power to people who
925
00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:18.000
then take away their the liberties of the people who
926
00:49:18.039 --> 00:49:20.760
they're saying should be afraid of other people, right, you know.
927
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:25.519
And so it is in a way sad to think about,
928
00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:28.440
like the people who have been so sucked into this,
929
00:49:28.519 --> 00:49:32.039
who like they don't even gain anything from this, right,
930
00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:34.320
all that they're doing is handing power to people who
931
00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:37.039
then take things away from them. Yeah, all the while
932
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:39.960
they're believing that like it's for it's the best for them,
933
00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:41.400
which again.
934
00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:43.199
Is it's it's unfortunate.
935
00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:45.280
I don't know, it's it's insane and a little hard
936
00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:48.400
to hear. Yeah, it's it's just it's a it's a situation.
937
00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:50.800
And so I think, you know, landing on the great
938
00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:54.880
Replacement theory is empty headed rhetoric that combines deeply rooted racism,
939
00:49:55.159 --> 00:49:59.039
anti semitism, and xenophobia. It remains dangerous not just on
940
00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:02.840
extremist fringes, but increasingly in mainstream politics and media, and
941
00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:06.119
so vigilance and education are necessary to counter its influence
942
00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:09.440
and prevent further harm, and you know, thinking about why
943
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:13.159
people believe this, why this persists, and I think we've
944
00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:15.840
talked about why it persists. It allows people to grab
945
00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:18.559
power from the people they manipulate. That's one of the
946
00:50:18.599 --> 00:50:21.800
reasons exists. Why does it work? Again, I think that
947
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:24.760
the main issue here is that, like, the message is simple,
948
00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:29.320
is a simple, easy message, and they will frequently cherry
949
00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:33.119
pick examples of things happening where they'll then use that
950
00:50:33.280 --> 00:50:37.079
to try as evidence, a quote unquote evidence to support
951
00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:40.280
their position. So, for example, you know, they talk about
952
00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:43.719
immigrants being criminals when they are much more likely to
953
00:50:43.719 --> 00:50:46.639
be the victims of crime than to perpetuate crime, and
954
00:50:46.639 --> 00:50:50.480
that the crimes are actually being mostly perpetuated by white
955
00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:54.519
citizens of the United States in this particular example, right,
956
00:50:54.679 --> 00:50:58.480
But beyond that, like, they'll cherry pick the handful of
957
00:50:58.519 --> 00:51:00.559
examples they can find where it was an im agreat
958
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:04.280
who committed a crime, and although in the proportional scheme
959
00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:09.159
of things, that number is insanely small and relative to
960
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again the other people who are committing crimes, they'll then
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use that example to fuel their arguments. And so like,
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all you need is the one big example, and then
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everybody can start to believe what you're saying, even if
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like that's a total outlier in terms of like the
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actual data and the numbers that are happening, right, And
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so that that I think is why people buy it
967
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is because all they need is one or two examples,
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and then to just need one story, you need one story,
969
00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:39.760
and you need to hear the overall message a lot.
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And that's what Tucker Carlson did, Like he just said
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it over and over and over again, and have actually
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00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:46.559
I thought we should probably do an episode on this,
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because there's science that shows that just hearing a message
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repeatedly can influence you to start believing that message, even
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when you know that it's wrong, Right, even when you
976
00:51:57.159 --> 00:51:59.400
know that it's wrong, if you hear it enough, you
977
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can start to question and start to believe it. And
978
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so the people who don't even know that it's wrong
979
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are even more susceptible to this. And so they go
980
00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:11.679
about simply the cherry pick outlier examples and they say
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00:52:11.679 --> 00:52:13.679
the same thing over and over and over again, and
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00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:16.079
that's just propaganda. One oh one, Like that's how it works.
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00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:21.039
You know, it's easy, simple messaging with a couple of
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00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:24.599
terrifying examples. That they can cite, and of course are
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00:52:24.679 --> 00:52:27.480
going to exaggerate and blow out of proportion as well. Right,
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that is what gets people riled up in believing it.
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00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:32.960
Yeah, all right.
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00:52:33.079 --> 00:52:35.199
Well, you know we've been talking, We've been wanting to
989
00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:37.000
do this one for a while and have sort of
990
00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:40.480
held off for a while. But I'm glad we finally
991
00:52:40.519 --> 00:52:42.960
dug into it because it just needed to happen. And
992
00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:45.760
it's just it's one of those things where it's like
993
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:48.079
we can kind of just dig a grave throat in there,
994
00:52:48.320 --> 00:52:50.480
pon the room, on the dirt that we cover it with,
995
00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:52.159
and say this is this is dead and gone and
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00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:53.079
we'll never need it again.
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Yeah.
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00:52:53.679 --> 00:52:57.239
Unfortunately, even if we do that, it won't go away.
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00:52:57.320 --> 00:52:59.320
So but it is one of those ideas that we
1000
00:52:59.320 --> 00:53:01.719
can relegate to the trash heap of history because it is.
1001
00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:03.880
Dumb, right, Yes, agreed?
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Cool? All right, Well, then we have some things to
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00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:10.079
recommend to you. If you are joining us for the
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first time, you may not know that at the end
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of each of our discussions we recommend something, usually unrelated
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to our topic, which will be the case today. First,
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00:53:18.159 --> 00:53:21.079
we need to get through some credits and some information
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for you. But the recommendations are fun, so stick around.
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If you were like hearing credits and like all right,
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00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:29.000
time for me to sign off, the recoundations are worth it.
1011
00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:32.079
I think I agree. Okay, So, as we mentioned, if
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You're the best.
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In addition, you can support us by heading over to
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1030
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1031
00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:21.519
and just have them listen all the way through. And
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00:54:21.559 --> 00:54:23.519
if that's happening right now and you're hearing this, hi,
1033
00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:28.840
thanks for listening hello, although it seems unlikely otherwise. Of course,
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00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:31.400
leaving us a glowing review and a five star rating
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00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:33.800
definitely helps out. But if none of those things, make
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sure you're just subscribes, that you catch all of our
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subsequent episodes. And yeah, that's what I have to say
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about supporting us. Thank you so much to my team
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00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:42.719
of people without I cannot without whom I cannot make
1040
00:54:42.760 --> 00:54:46.280
this show. Shane, thank you for recording with me today anytime.
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Writing and fact checking from Shane and myself. We also
1042
00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:52.639
have our social media coordinator, Emma Wilson. And the person
1043
00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:54.960
who does the music and makes our voices sound like
1044
00:54:55.039 --> 00:54:58.119
voices is Justin who does a really good job with
1045
00:54:58.199 --> 00:54:59.119
all the sound things.
1046
00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:06.880
Yeah we both sound like rfk oh god in voice only.
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Yes, Yeah, the tone and message is quite different. All right,
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So I think that that's we're good to move on
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to recommendations unless I'm forgetting something.
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No, I think we're ready.
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All right, let's do it right, recommendations.
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I'm recommending an album. It just came out at the
1053
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time of this recording. It came out a couple days
1054
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ago and I have not stopped listening to it. And
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it's highly anticipated because the band put out this phenomenal
1056
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record a couple of years ago and everybody really loved it.
1057
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And that is Never Enough by the band Turnstile. This
1058
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is one of the more interesting records that's come up
1059
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in like punk and hardcore because it's such a departure
1060
00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:52.480
from their original sound. They are a hardcore band at
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00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:55.159
their core, and they put out glow On, and glow
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On's got some interesting things, like some really catchy melodies,
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some like synth and some drum machines on it, and
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everybody's kind of like, is this hardcore? And I'm gonna
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tell everybody right now it doesn't matter. But Never Enough
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is the follow up, and I gotta say it is
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a lot of fun. I think more of the songs
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on it are actually hardcore songs than on glow On,
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But I do think that there's like some interesting like
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soundscapes on it, and like there's some really cool interludes
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that are putting together. Hayley Williams from Paramore is on
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the album as a guest spot as well, and it's
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it's great. It's such a fun listen, Like I don't
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know how you could listen to it and be mad, Like,
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you can't frown when you listen to this album, Like
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you if you try to cross your arms and frown,
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it's like kind of like making the mean face and
1078
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saying the word bubble, you can't. You can't say that
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with a straight mean face. So I think everybody should
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go listen to it. It's called Never Enough by Turnstyle,
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And if you've never heard Turnstyle, go listen to glow On,
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Go listen to Time and Space, go listen to all
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of it. Like all of it is good, but glow
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On and Never Enough are really cool, like kind of
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like sister albums, if you will.
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Yeah, I just recently listened to glow On, so I'll
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have to check out Never Enough and see how it goes.
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Yeah, that's interesting, such a fun lesson.
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This band is very new for me, even though they've
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been around for a while, so I'm sort of just
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getting my feet wet with it, if you will.
1092
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And so yeah, nice dudes. We played with them years
1093
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and years ago before they got big, and like we
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played a couple of shows with them in Florida, and
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they were so nice and so it's cool to see
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them like really blow up like this. It's great.
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Yeah, yeah, all right, I'm recommending a book. This is
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the first book in a trilogy. I don't think I've
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recommended this book, but I have recommended the TV show
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which is based off of this book. And this book
1101
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is called Wall. The TV show is called Silo. Okay,
1102
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so this is my author, Hugh Howie. I don't think
1103
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I've recommended this book before, but I'm ninety nine percent
1104
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shore I've recommended the show. I will call this a
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dystopian sci fi book, I guess, very loose. I mean,
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this isn't a spoiler because this is like right in
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the beginning, But the whole idea is that the entire
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civilization exists in this gigantic underground bunker that's like one
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hundred and thirty stories or something like that, but totally
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subterranean because the world has become an unlivable place outside. Sure,
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that's essentially the setup, and from there you have very
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interesting dynamics that play out inside of this and many
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revelations and things to learn, and eventually in the second book,
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you get into a lot more of the backstory of
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how this came to be in the first place, which
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is I'm in the middle of that book now. So anyway,
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Wool I think does a really great job standing by itself.
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Really good book, and if you're into dystopian sci fi stuff,
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then I think people will enjoy this. And it has
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a really nice or really strong lead female protagonist, which
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I think is also not as common and a lot
1122
00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:57.280
of dystopian sci fi so great character name is Juliet
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00:58:57.360 --> 00:59:01.119
or Juliet. So anyway, check out to Wohl if you're
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00:59:01.159 --> 00:59:04.199
interested in some dystopian sci fi reading.
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00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:06.480
Yeah, I just bought the whole set, so I'm excited
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to check that out. Yeah, Like, because I'm the kind
1127
00:59:09.559 --> 00:59:11.679
of person like once I buy one and like read it,
1128
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I've got to finish the story, Like I did not
1129
00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:17.199
want to finish Dune, but I did. Yeah, and so
1130
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I'm excited to get into this one. That's cool.
1131
00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:22.000
Yeah, it's the first book is great. Like I said,
1132
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I haven't finished the second one, so I can't necessarily
1133
00:59:23.960 --> 00:59:26.400
speak to it as a comprehensive series or even as
1134
00:59:26.440 --> 00:59:29.159
the comprehensive second book, but at least the first one
1135
00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:30.960
I think is great, so a lot of people I
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think would enjoy it.
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It was on banned books list, if that tells you anything.
1138
00:59:34.119 --> 00:59:37.199
So yeah, I do think it has something to say
1139
00:59:37.239 --> 00:59:40.800
about a ruling with an iron fist. There's a huge
1140
00:59:40.800 --> 00:59:43.639
amount of societal commentary baked into this that I think
1141
00:59:44.159 --> 00:59:46.840
doesn't feel heavy handed because it makes a lot of
1142
00:59:46.840 --> 00:59:49.400
sense in the context of the story, right right, that's
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00:59:49.400 --> 00:59:51.840
fair cool? All right, Well, if you would like to
1144
00:59:51.880 --> 00:59:55.400
tell us your thoughts on Great Replacement or Turnstyle or
1145
00:59:55.639 --> 00:59:58.360
Hugh Howie's books, we're happy to hear those things. You
1146
00:59:58.360 --> 01:00:00.639
can tell us about them directly if you email us
1147
01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:05.199
at info at wwdwwdpodcast dot com. You can also reach
1148
01:00:05.280 --> 01:00:08.800
us on the social media platforms or other things. And then,
1149
01:00:08.840 --> 01:00:11.239
as we mentioned, you could support us various ways, which
1150
01:00:11.440 --> 01:00:13.840
we definitely appreciate. But I think that that's all we
1151
01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:16.480
have to say about this for now. Go forth and
1152
01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:21.840
educate people about the incorrectness of replacements, this great replacement idea, yes,
1153
01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:25.639
and white genocide because it is dumb and wrong, yes, agreed,
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01:00:25.880 --> 01:00:27.519
And don't do violence. Violence is bad.
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01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:28.880
Don't do violence.
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01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:30.719
Yeah, all right, anything you would like to add or
1157
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:32.719
that I forgot before we wrap this one up.
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Shane, Nope, I feel good on this one.
1159
01:00:34.800 --> 01:00:35.639
Thank you all for listening.
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This is Abraham and this is Shane.
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01:00:37.400 --> 01:00:40.920
We're out to yea. You've been listening to Why We
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01:00:40.960 --> 01:00:41.599
Do What We Do.
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01:00:42.119 --> 01:00:44.800
You can learn more about this and other episodes by
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01:00:44.840 --> 01:00:50.239
going to wwdwwdpodcast dot com. Thanks for listening, and we
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hope you have an awesome day