Becoming a State Trooper: An Insider How To Guide from a Highway Patrol Captain

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[SPEAKER_01]: In general, every every sworn law enforcement officer has statewide jurisdiction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's yourself, why do I want to get into law enforcement?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We want them to be members of the community.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We want them to be examples.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You see unified police?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know what that means.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, what do they do?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I could just swear around him and I wanted to get back on the road.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, when I went off the road, I lost control endowed into a big rock.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I grew up, I knew the difference.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there was the highway people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there was the city of the other one else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is so much demand for new officers in across the state in all of the agencies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought maybe I've got some road time left in me and people were like, are you crazy?
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[SPEAKER_02]: When you sign up to get into law enforcement, like how much say do you have in terms of like, where do you want to go?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, Captain, Wade Brewer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for coming on the podcast.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is great glad to be here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you prefer the Captain, like, how should I address you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you just call me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just call you Wade.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Call me Wade.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's...
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[SPEAKER_01]: some people are like, well, you're in uniform.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need to be formal and I feel like we can get more out of this if we're not sure what about that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's so cool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, way to appreciate you coming to the podcast.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think this is great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is really cool to be able to highlight what you do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, you're in uniform, you're a Utah Highway Patrolman.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Tell us a little bit about like,
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[SPEAKER_03]: your experience like what is it that has led you to this point where you are in your career from what I understand looking at some of your history you've been doing this for a long time yeah uh tell us a little bit just finishing my 30th year so wow if you if you look at it it's 29 and a half years January of 2026 I will have completed 30 years in law enforcement
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when I started, so I went, I went actually went and attended the Applesic Academy, put myself through what they call self-sponsoring through the Community College program.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In 1994, I did not get hired with a higher patrol until January of 1996.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a little bit about the beginning process of what I went through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was at a time to where I was doing construction,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't I wasn't happy doing that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was making good money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, but my wife knew that I wanted something different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I went and went through the academy applied with several different law enforcement agencies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It just so happens that you tie a patrol picked me up first at the time that we were testing and doing that process in the in the early and mid 90s.
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[SPEAKER_01]: it was there was thousands of us that would test at a time like I tested with 1500 people at the higher patrol with with that testing process.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now we're lucky to get two to 300.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's doing the down a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It really is doing the little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we test more often now then it was maybe once or twice a year and that was the process.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was the testing process really smaller batches.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's smaller batches more often now, you know, this all this time later,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I went through that process, and I, and I, you don't know what you don't know, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was just, I knew I wanted to be in law enforcement.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there of course, all, there's all the different aspects of law enforcement.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have the state side county, city, and even even the corrections part of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and I just wanted to work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't care.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I got in with a higher patrol and it just so happens that I fit really well into that environment and that work what we do as as troopers across the state and so got hired.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I started at the capital as a we the capital is taken care of by state troopers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you've ever been up there and seen any troopers around, like, and, you know, you've seen the cars up there and you've seen cars, yeah, they're like stations and certain parts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And troopers are there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, of course, the busy time of the capital season is the legislative session, the 45 days that started January and end in March.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of the high point of that capital area.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But from the capital, I went to transfer to the road and worked as a trooper in Utah County.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I did that for several years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I was approached by the governor's detail and they asked me to come up and the time Governor Levitt was the governor at the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I worked on his protective detail for a while transferred back to the road in Utah County.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then six months later was promoted to the capital as a uniform sergeant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of funny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, full circle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Work there for a few years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then had an opportunity to become our department's public information officer and went and that's how to out at headquarters and so I transferred there from the capital and did that for a little while and then I went to the police academy after that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So department of public safety houses the Utah High Patrol, but it also houses 12 other divisions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: within public safety, higher patrol being one, the piece officer standards and training being another post.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we train all those people that have been hired by agencies to go through the academy, not everybody because there are other academies, there are other avenues that people can get trained.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I worked there for 13 years of my career all the way up until 2018 and then I realized I thought you know I I keep telling these new graduates how much I envy them of going out on the road and doing Doing what we're training people to do and I thought maybe I've got some road time left in me and people are like are you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you crazy?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what it's like to be out on the road and be in the Work with the public now and I said I'm gonna try it and when I transfer bad
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like re-rejuvenated me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't that I had a bad job at the police academy, and I stayed for so long because it was such a good job, because you could make a lot of impact on new people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you're basically shaping those individuals.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was very rewarding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I didn't realize how much I had missed working the road.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so when I came back to Salt Lake County, that was like, I started over again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Work there for several years in Salt Lake County, they asked me to go be the lieutenant at the capital, which I did do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we had an individual retire and go take a chief's job in Moab.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that left a captain's position open and they said, hey, do you want to do you want to be the captain?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that those positions are appointed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And even though I wasn't unhappy, I just was like, okay, I'll do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I came back to Solid County.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm the captain over this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What we call the Salt Lake Bureau, which is his own bureau.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're very Salt Lake County.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even don't be in smaller insights.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're the most populated county in the state.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're busy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like things are going on all the time here in Salt Lake County as you all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would imagine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's kind of my career in a nutshell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now that's where I'm still currently serving as the captain of the Salt Lake Bureau.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we are just busy expansion is what we're faced with now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I don't know if you heard the news, July 1, we took over Banger Highway, all police services all along.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That very heavily involved in that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and that brings its own challenges, you know, because we are still in the process of hiring those people that are going to be working out there and in the training process.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we have to utilize resources from our within the heart patrol to help cover that until we can get those people fully trained up and ready to go deployed into the field.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That sounds like you've had quite the career, and just being able to be in all sorts of different roles.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think exposed to lots of opportunities.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's really awesome.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think for me it's like I wonder as a person filling from the outside in, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I think people in general don't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: always really understand like the structure of law enforcement, sure, especially in like, you said like state and county city.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And in some cases, they're just like, oh, well, like when I grew up, I knew the difference.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like there was the highway people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then there was city, the other one else, everyone else is kind of the way I saw.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Your path was interesting kind of the way you've taken to get into it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm curious, like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: You said that there's multiple avenues on how to get into it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So somebody was thinking about getting into law enforcement, like, help me understand a little more about what those avenues are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the avenues are, you can go and sponsor yourself through one of the many different community colleges or, sorry, what I'm called community college.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We call it the satellite programs, the satellite training programs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're spread out through all the state.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's one up in Cash County.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is one at Weber State.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's one here at Salt Lake Community College, one down at UVU.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just thinking, oh, there's one down at St.
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[SPEAKER_01]: George, so through through the Dixie State University, it's now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You saw, you saw tech.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I think their satellite program is still called Dixie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they were having kept up with the with the brand change.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't change the brand name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That hasn't changed, which is interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's also one out in the unibason and then there's sometimes one that pops up out into will a through to will attack.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So all of them have been accredited by the Department of Public Safety to run their training academy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can you can either pay for yourself to go through or there's even scholarships available.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's the issue, the only full-time academy to do that is we were state.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, meaning they're the only daytime academy outside of the police academy, the full-time police academy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: got it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to get it done quickly, then you got to go up to Weber State.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All the others are part time and evenings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You pay for yourself or get some kind of what did I call that before it was like a scholarship.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are scholarships available.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that is one of the avenues.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I recommend in this economy that people do not do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sure the I'm sure the satellites don't like me to say that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The truth is that's really what the truth is that
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[SPEAKER_01]: They, there is so much demand for new officers in across the state in all of the agencies that they're more than likely willing to hire you and then pay you to go through the training.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's just a train.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just, it's, it's, it's that supply and demand thing right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just because there's a high need right now for the officers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We need people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you say that it's different from the academy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's silly for me to say this, but like my exposure to police academy is the show for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: which is probably not a good representation, but to me it felt like oh it's like not quite military, but you pretty much go through this like a boot camp process, is that more or less how it is?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's the kind of like explain to us a little bit like what the training is that someone would need to go to in order to get.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We have to go into
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[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of detail, but like what's kind of like the overview and what you're trying to accomplish during those.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, this time of the year Yeah, that really is a great question because you think about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What what is it that a law enforcement officer needs to know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They need to know a lot right and and what's unique is that we do all of that in about a 17 16 to a 17 week period of time That's the basic training site where you go and learn all the law the legal stuff
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[SPEAKER_01]: you learn how to protect yourself and they call it defensive tactics.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, learn how to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out to hand out hand out to hand out to hand out hand out to hand out to hand out hand out to hand out hand out to hand out hand out to hand out hand out hand out to hand out hand out hand out hand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: hand out hand out hand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: hand out hand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: hand out hand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: hand out hand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: hand out hand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: hand out hand hand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: hand out hand hand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: hand out hand hand hand hand hand hand
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[SPEAKER_01]: Emergency vehicle operations, which is the driving side of us, police officers, obviously spend a lot of time driving and responding to stuff and then the firearm side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So how do you utilize a handgun to protect yourself?
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[SPEAKER_01]: that's what you learned in the academy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So those aspects of that, and then there's some other stuff sprinkled into there as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's some mental health things that we put in the academy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, how to recognize people that are in a mental health crisis and ways to respond to that, that's something that is more of especially within the last 10 years, differently than it was when I went through in the early 90s.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's something that we didn't
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even though, even though it was still out there, we didn't train officers as good as we do now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's more of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's even the other crisis line, isn't it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Aside from like 9-1-1 that people can call for mental health.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are actually several of them out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's several resources for people that are in crisis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes, if it turns violent, that's when law enforcement is called, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's how we end up coming across these individuals that are in crisis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're doing something bizarre.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're running naked through our communities.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Weird stuff, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: All the time of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then officers respond to that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we need to take some kind of action.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and help them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And ultimately what that is is that that is a medical issue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we help capture that person or get them into custody and then we turn them over so they can be treated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's really the ultimate goal in that situation like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So so those type of things are what we teach these individuals going through the academy and then they become what's called certifiable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then when they're hired by an agency, that agency gives them the authority to act, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They swear them in, if you ever raise a right hand and do that kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So to be an officer in Utah, you have to have both of those components.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to be certified and then sworn and then you can do the job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Got it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there is some more training that each agency gives those individuals, because specific to the higher patrol, you would go through another six to eight weeks of training with us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we put you out on the road with a trainer for approximately two to three months.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that process when you add it all up, it's about a year's worth of time to where you're not going to ever be alone without somebody being with you until we kick you loose and you're sick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We say, okay, now we want you to go and try this out on your own and you're going to start responding to calls.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So having the interest from from starting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The whole process from scratch fresh, you're saying it's about a year, if like someone has an interest to become a police officer, they go through the academy training and then You're able to get certified and then they're out doing typical police work and then is about a year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: About a year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is when we look at that training cycle, when we hire somebody from day one, they're not going to be any good for me to fill a spot in the schedule for approximately a year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm curious now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The thing about law enforcement and talking about the different groups, you know, highway patrols, cities, state, or county, excuse me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is there like a difference in the types of rules and responsibilities that they have to go down what they're doing because, you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: For my, again, as a lay person, I'm just like, oh, they're all police, then they all just do basically the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, how many understand a little bit about the difference between these agencies?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, like the state agencies in the city and the county and like what they're doing potentially different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a question.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Really good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Also, I came up when I was thinking about like, you see unified police.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know what that means.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, what do they do?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then you see like the highway.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it comes in my head.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like the city ones.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you see the city and then you see unified and then you see like university and then you see the highway patrol.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How is wire, they all just do in the same thing?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it is different lines are drawn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a great question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're not really in that world, I could see how it would be very confusing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll just go back to your question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe this is a good way to think about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you think about it on the state level, there's essentially the Utah air patrol, there is the Department of Natural Resources who have
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[SPEAKER_01]: their wildlife officers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they just went through a process to where they unified all of their law enforcement divisions into one now general law enforcement group.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So those people are protects the natural resources of the state of Utah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: like, you know, for fishing and hunting are state parks, all of that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So those people have law enforcement authority to go and take action in any of those environments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But they're same training.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But they're, yes, same training.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So same basic training.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, but they have to operate in their world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that world really revolves around the natural resources of Utah and those laws that affect that, you know, those hunting laws, fish laws.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When you go and
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do they, you know, so the, so let's talk about the, the UTVs and motorcycles and off-road vehicles, those type of things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're, they're really have to be specially trained how to deal with those situations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now are we talking like from border to border like they have they can have jurisdiction all the rules across the whole state.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the last law enforcement agency that's that's worn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's there's technically two more because the Department of Corrections has a law enforcement bureau, but they also have the adult preparation and parole.
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[SPEAKER_01]: those people are out amongst us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when you think about corrections, they deal with those individuals who are in the system now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like law enforcement has arrested an individual.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They've gone through the judicial process and now they've been either put into jail or prison and then they're on probation or patrol.
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[SPEAKER_01]: parole or they're still locked up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Corrections deals with all that side of that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to think about corrections in that environment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So even though those parole, probation and parole officers are out there, you're probably not going to see them in uniform a whole lot there in unmarked cars, and they work that side of the system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the last one is under the state task commission, we have the Department of Motor Vehicle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Motor Vehicle Enforcement Division.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what they're called.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A VED.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're in marked cars.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're in these blue cars if you've ever seen them around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I'm everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So MVED specifically deals with everything to deal with vehicles and most the time it's stolen stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like stolen vehicles and they're trying to break up stolen vehicle rings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's really what they focus on and the recovery of people's stolen vehicles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not like fast in the furious.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The people who are chasing after that group of that would have been that that would have been that department.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That would have been
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's what's interesting is we actually have some former troopers that that became really good at that stolen vehicle side of stuff and they went to them and work for them now and and you know and but have gone back and forth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that alone sounds like it would be fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Stay that's what so stay would be used at the corrections the motor vehicle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: the natural resources and highly potential under the need to umbrella of the department of public safety.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're one division within those 13 divisions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And just to name off a few others, like we have the driver's license division.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: state crime lab.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They call that the forensic division.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's there's several we have state security now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Bureau of EMS is underneath the Department of Public Safety.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So emergency medical services.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the Bureau of EMS.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What you used to be under the health department two years ago, that was re-aligned to be underneath the Department of Public Safety.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, all right, so yeah, if people want to know more about that, they just have to go to the department of public safety's web page and then they can see all 13 divisions, but but really that those, the the most visible are is the higher patrol because obviously we are out amongst the community on the public.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when we're talking about those law enforcement agencies, they have statewide jurisdiction and they're in all of the communities across the state.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you think about that, there are people stationed all over.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then it just kind of trickles down from there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So then you go to the county level of government, which is underneath that elected sheriff, they usually will run.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They do run that law enforcement service for that county, whichever county you live in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and and there's deputies assigned to that and they may or may not have a jail so there are there are a few counties that are small and and you thought that don't have a county jail right and they have they have agreements with a probably a neighboring county to be able to book that person in there and one one example is that is like pie you county they don't have a small and so small yeah it's interesting I always thought every county needed to jail
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, they probably need somewhere to be able to book somebody sure if they're as if there's a bookable offense, but they if they don't have the resources to create a jail, then they don't have a jail They just hold them until they can then transport them over to the jail.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly or or to that to that jail that they have an agreement with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm pretty sure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm curious about, like, I remember growing up as a teenager, being a dumb young kid in high school and stuff, dude, it's like, should I do stuff?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, oh, let's watch out for the cops.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, oh, that's that's it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a city cop.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He can't do anything like let's talk about jurisdiction like what it what is like what's kind of the the overlapping jurisdiction because in my head for whatever reason I think that highway patrol can only do things on the like I 15 in the major highways that you're over and then cities only over their city and they can't pull someone over in a different cities like what's like and then unified like out where
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[SPEAKER_01]: So in general, every swore and law enforcement officer has statewide jurisdiction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's say that you are traveling down to St.
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[SPEAKER_01]: George for a work, something that's work-related.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have a share of conference.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have a chief's conference.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They hold down in St.
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[SPEAKER_01]: George in the spring and fall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're an individual that's traveling to that, and you see something that's a grieges and you need to intervene on it, you can do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, going back to your original question, let's just take left LPD, which is
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[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting because they are actually under the umbrella of Saratoga Springs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a Bluffdale division of Saratoga Springs police department, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they have, they have jurisdiction, meaning they will take care of any police services within this city realm and they are responsible for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But they have statewide law enforcement authority.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So does that make sense?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they can take action on something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But they're not, but most likely they're not going to go out and start patrolling the streets of Draper.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the, and maybe this will help you understand a little bit about the higher patrols, responsibilities.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So just like we have responsibility for all the major highways in Salt Lake County, let's say I 15, 2015, 201, I 80.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now Banger Highway.
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[SPEAKER_01]: those are our responsibilities or our primary responsibilities and that's where you'll see troopers mostly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: However, that doesn't mean that our troopers once it starts to slow down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's say late at night or something that they don't jump off somewhere and they start going working downtown Salt Lake and maybe they're looking for a DUI enforcement.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They'll go and work some of these cities.
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[SPEAKER_01]: where there's hotspots where they know that they can make an impact and and look to arrest somebody or get somebody off the street before they go and make it up onto the freeway and crash.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and so so sometimes you'll be downtown Salt Lake and you'll see troopers around making traffic stops.
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[SPEAKER_01]: on city streets and and we do that all the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the read the purpose for that is to try to get somebody before that's made a bad decision to get behind the wheel before they hit the interstate system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I think I think most law enforcement like the ideal scenario is always preventative, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I always want to prevent any sort of bad thing from happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we've never say never, but for the most part, we don't have problems with jurisdictions when we go and work in their area.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, oh, please come and work this any time you guys can.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what's interesting is on the line level, I remember working.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I worked in Utah County, I would go work Provo City because that's really where the alcohol establishments were, especially on my nights and weekends.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would go work there because there was more likely to be somebody that was getting behind the wheel of the vehicle that was impaired.
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[SPEAKER_01]: there versus somewhere else that didn't have those alcohol establishments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like it's just a residential area thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you kind of go to where you know and you think there is going to be some issues and there's a there's a higher probable probable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: probability that something like that is going to happen that you're going to come across somebody that's Yeah, got behind the wheel and DUI because that's really one of our main focuses is that we enforce DUI's right
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a joke out there amongst law enforcement agencies, they say, hey, we'll come take all of your domestic violence calls or those type of things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you guys come and take all of our T-wise, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it sounds like the the biggest difference between the different roles is mostly like where you're you're operating, but the stuff you're doing is the same.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you think about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So higher patrol is really diverse in that we are found all across the state.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, so really there is that urban side, you know, you think about the Wasatch Front, Utah County, Salt Lake County, Davis, Weaver, and then even up into Box elder, a little bit is starting to get built out more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Outside of that, we would say that that's the rural areas.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and troopers police a little bit different in the fact that they rely on the local law enforcement to kind of back them up because oftentimes those crews will work where they're just one trooper out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I have a son that works down in Miller County and when he was doing his higher patrol trooper work before he's in his current position now with state security.
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[SPEAKER_01]: he often times didn't see his crewmates.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he worked with the local sheriff's office.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those deputies a lot and became close with them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because they were the ones that were on, because there was usually only one trooper on in Miller County at the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so so there was there was often times one week, one day a week that was an overlap day where he might have somebody else out with them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then of course, if there's something big lack of snowstorm, then more are going to be called out and work that event.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's a little bit of difference in how troopers work here in Salt Lake County versus in a rural area across Utah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, of course, then we can expand out into all of the specialties that we have within the Utah Higher Patrol.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, when I say
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[SPEAKER_01]: an individual who is working off of a motorcycle with our motor unit, individuals that we have a full-time interdiction team that does nothing but try to interdict crime and really probably focused on that drug element, but we're also getting a lot of
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[SPEAKER_01]: of people who are trafficking individuals.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Matter of fact, a couple of nights ago, we had an individual that was taking delivering a 16 year old from California to Connecticut.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Jesus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not crazy, so law enforcement in California got a hold of us and we were able to track that down and hopefully interdict that individual and get her to safety.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So those are the type of situations
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we have a dive team, it's a part-time dive team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So those people work full-time jobs, like, for instance, I have one of my sergeants here in Salt Lake County that's on the dive team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You mean like in the water?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they go out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They go in most of the time, it's a body recovery.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I assume that they're also looking through the dive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody drowns.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they go all the way down to Lake Powell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They go all the way up to the northern part of Utah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it's summer really is the busy time of the season, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: and and and they're also called on to to recover evidence that's been thrown in waterways is going to go down there and die for that type of stuff they're trained to do that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: for those kids are getting big magnets and just throwing it in rivers and people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, as you're talking about these different roles and these different positions like the one thing they can't keep in mind is you're talking about almost like when you sign up to get into law enforcement like how much say do you have in terms of like where you want to go?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because obviously, if you're like wearing a highway patrol like you're off time turning the whole state and I'm guessing, you know, state to state maybe be a little bit different on how they operate, but like
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you tell us pretty decent side.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's not like Texas, but we're pretty decent side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was really good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What we have found what's most beneficial for us if we can if we can hire the local talent that we know is going to stick around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we want.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you're like if you're born and bred in Moab Utah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we want to local person there, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are some people that'll get hired and say, yeah, I would like to transfer to Moab, and then they're there for, say, a couple of years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We can get a couple of years out of them, and then they want to transfer some or else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is an option, but really the model I feel like we go after is that local, that local person, because then they're going to have roots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there are some places in Utah that is hard to hire people like in the UNA Basin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: we want to get that local person that really wants to be a member of the higher patrol and because then they're going to maybe stick around for some for a while.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are states though and Montana is one that when you get hired by their higher patrol they send you wherever they need you and you don't even know until you graduate and they say okay you're going to end up going wherever you know that you're going to be signed to billings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I've talked to some of their troopers before, but that's just the way that they do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then their eligible after a certain amount of time to be able to transfer to somewhere else to another location.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And certainly that's the case with us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We work for a couple of years as your base area that you agreed to work in and then you're eligible to transfer somewhere outside in the state across the state.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That was going to be one of the questions.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Does an officer or trooper essentially have the ability to say, I want to live in South Jordan and I want to have a role in South Jordan.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, no, you have to go all the way up to Brigham City.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it really depends like we a lot of our openings are along the wash hatch front because just that's where the majority of the population is right so you can you can expect to most likely work there when you get hired as a trooper but there are times where we hire people directly to some of those rural areas because they are a local person and we want them to stay there right we want them to be able to
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[SPEAKER_01]: get hired and then work there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But a lot of times we have people that start and I'm thinking back to one of our troopers that started here in Salt Lake County and that he transferred back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to his home county, which was in Central Utah, after a couple years of working here in Salt Lake County.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he's got his roots that are in that Central Utah County.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that, you know, and that's great because you really can get a lot of good experience fast along the Wasatch Front.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You, there's things happen so fast and yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's so much going on that you got you gather that experience and then you can go and transfer to one of those outside.
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[SPEAKER_01]: sections or those outlying sections.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Follow up to, so you have your role, you have your position, and then you have your place to go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think my other question that I really don't really understand as a person who's thinking about how to go to work.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is it a billion?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Lieutenant captain yeah, what are the ranks not just not just what they are, but like what's the difference between like the type of things you're going to be doing depending on where you are kind of like from from like trooper to like chief of police.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's just like what I look at it to some degree you look at him as like promotions and it's like, okay, are you getting a title change because your pay is going up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you're doing the same things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Your doesn't really change significantly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or it's like, oh, no, you're getting a title change and your role changes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And now these are the things that you're expected to do that you weren't expected to do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're now behind a desk.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's, and that's correct.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my thought on that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, great question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we have everybody starts off as a trooper, if you're talking about the sworn side of our department, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They learn those trooper duties, they learn how to do those those line-level things, investigations, you know, all that type of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where you cut your teeth so to speak.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so in our department, there is a formal process for the next line of supervision, which is Sergeant and Lieutenant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that we test for that once a year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some agencies test every other year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you've mentioned the unified police department.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was able to sit on one of their Lieutenant's boards for their Lieutenant interviews a few years back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was a great experience because then you get to see how they do stuff and then we're always able to get
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're always able to get ideas from each other, you know, how do you, like what kind of questions do you ask?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And how do you, how do you focus on what leadership you're looking for for those next supervisory levels?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So back to the higher patrol, or even though we have a core proposition, that's at a point in position.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's more of like a trainer for us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They handle duties when the sergeant is gone, but that you don't test for that position.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You basically just, you go through a
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[SPEAKER_01]: that allows us to say, yeah, are you at least, do you have some experience, you know, can you do these minimal things and then we put you into that core position, but they are, they are essentially our trainers for the department, but that next first line supervisor reposition is that sergeant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that sergeant has a crew of troopers usually four to six troopers assigned to them, depending on where they're at.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're assigned a specific area when they go out and work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like in Salt Lake County, there's anywhere from two crews to four crews on at a time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we, we look at when it's busiest throughout the week and often times that that is centered around the commute times.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you think about being on I-15 in the morning or in the afternoon and you know how busy that is, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's when we are staffing the county to heaviest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so there could be two sergeants out at a minimum.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then at Graviards, we at least have one crew out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there are a few nights a week where we have two crews.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like they're weekend, the week and when it is busier.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so then, and then progressing up, there is a lieutenant position, and we call those section commanders.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what's unique is here in Solid County, we actually have three latinants, but Davis County has one lieutenant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Utah County has one lieutenant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're responsible for those sergeants and crews of that county.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we have the captain level and the captain's in above are appointed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So no longer do you go through a testing process in our department.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some departments have testing process for those those positions are just does not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So our administration is able to say, yeah, we want you to become a captain and for these reasons or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And those duties are administrative, like we do, we do a lot of reviews of incidents.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those personnel matters we have to deal with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they're obviously there's complaints that come in through the department or the Lieutenant handles the complaint at that lieutenant level and then he passes that up to the captain.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So when you say a point in overtaken like like like ability ability to do your job like if you're able to assess what's going on in various cases or complaints and like what what's kind of the measure yeah what's a measure of being appointed that's a good question I and I feel like
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just putting myself in our, in our chiefs position.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's actually a colonel, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The colonel of the Hypertials is appointed by the Commissioner of Public Safety and he is a cabinet level person that's appointed by the governor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, if you think about all the state agencies, can you remember how many of there are now?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The each of them have an appointed position, a director or a commissioner level person, that the governor appoints.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, so that person has found sometimes within the department, like our commissioners usually come with within the department of public safety there, they've grown up, so to speak.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Have that experience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Have you demonstrated their ability to do the job?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that I feel like that that's what.
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[SPEAKER_01]: our administration looks for an individual's and our and our lieutenants like hey we we like the we like what you have done as a lieutenant and we want to appoint you to to a captain when there's a captain the opening of the often times and and there are there's some rare circumstances where individuals have fast tracked through that like we one time we had a sergeant that
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[SPEAKER_01]: that went out and got some really specialized training in intelligence gathering and we needed somebody in that role and it happened to be a captain role and that person was appointed to become a captain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But they also put themselves in away from, you know, like they move their family out of state to go and get this training and this experience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they really did do some stuff to set themselves apart.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's, so I think that's what the administration is looking for in the in the captains and those appointed positions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because we also even and then from the captains we have we have two majors, two uniform majors, and they basically split the states operations up underneath and they're they're assistant superintendents of the higher patrol.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we have one lieutenant colonel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he handles the day-to-day operations of the higher patrol, and then we have a colonel that is he's a he's a deputy commissioner within our apartment and these are all very confusing to get to why Yeah, sure say that and that colonel is actually over a couple of our divisions within the Department of Public Safety because we have
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[SPEAKER_01]: We essentially have three deputy commissioners now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's not, you know, we're the largest sworn division within the Department of Public Safety being the higher patrol.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so there's there's some unique challenges to that and of course being across the state.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But uh, so does that help you understand all that does help me understand quite a bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they generally like my thought like as you're talking through and getting kind of explaining it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm thinking like, oh, yes, this is again, my exposure like many people I think that will listen to podcasts is mostly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: television and like media right like you see yeah the cop shows or you know for me the one that's coming most recently is like Brooklyn 99 which is not probably not a great representation of actually how police work works yeah um but uh in many of those cases because that you know they're like a detective agency most of the short of their group but um
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I think it's a great explanation to understand a little more about how the hierarchy is set up here in the state of Utah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, my only thought is just like, okay, what point does your as you're moving through these different levels of the hierarchy?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What point does your time on the road kind of like shift to maybe be more in the office or I don't even know like yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that probably is depending on the position that you have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So for instance, we have the state Bureau of Investigations, which is another division within DPS.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you think about a city agency, you have, you have patrol and then you have detectives for our agency.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is the the higher patrol fieldwork and then our state Bureau of Investigations agents.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So those agents, most of them, there's a few that came from outside agencies that we hired over from from another agency that either retired, and we wanted their expertise in investigations, so we brought them over.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But for the most part, these are troopers who worked the road as troopers, and then they went through the investigative side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we have, in our investigations, we have a narcotics unit, a full-time narcotics unit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a full-time major crimes unit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have all these different sub entities within the state Bureau of Investigations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have an alcohol enforcement team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So those people are responsible for going out to these establishments who serve alcohol and they make sure that they are doing it correctly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The things, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's been a few of those that have been in the news recently.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so when you're in those positions, yeah, you may be in the office a little bit more because you're following up on your investigation side of stuff, but you're also you're still out in the field, but you're just out in the field at a different capacity, they are they're not in marked vehicles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're they're in unmarked vehicles usually undercover vehicles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're in vehicles that are traditionally not used in the law enforcement side, you know, like those like the Dodge Charger or the Durango, you know, those type of things, they're in vehicles like you wouldn't even expect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And those those titles are agents.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so they, they are out there, they're out there doing follow-up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they, they also do a lot of follow-ups for troopers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's say, let's say somebody flees for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I try to, I try to figure out who it was that fled from me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I try to make a traffic stop on them, and I've just run out all of my, as a trooper, I run out all of my leads.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can then take that report and turn it over to an investigator at the State Bureau of Investigation's SPI, and they'll help me with some other stuff that might
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[SPEAKER_01]: that something that I might not have access to to be able to figure out who it was that fled from me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's an example of how they help us out with stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And any time we have dead body investigations, you know, crash investigations, whether there's a fatality involved, they are part of that investigation with us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's our investigative arm of the Utah
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think this has been really cool to be able to understand like you've essentially laid down the groundwork for the foundation of like how this is structure right and I think we could we could go down the route of like more time of different divisions and agencies, etc, but I think one thing that I want to come back to that he's coming to mind at the beginning of the podcast he said
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[SPEAKER_03]: explaining in your experience that you thought there was more time or there was more in you to have time on the road.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah and someone was like are you crazy?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I'm trying to figure out like I can make some assumptions.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But like why is it that the connotation of going on the road is like
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[SPEAKER_03]: Why would you do that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it almost sounds like it's yeah crazy or risky or whatever like kind of help us yes and I and I think to put that in a little bit more context because if you think about what kind of a job I was in at the police academy I worked strictly day shift.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't work weekends.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't work nights.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't have callouts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I I was I had holidays off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but there came a point in time where that stuff didn't matter to me as much as the actual work and the reason why I got in law enforcement.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, obviously, we need trainers and really, in going back to my experience, I did never touch on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But what got me even into the training side of law enforcement stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was two years on, and I ended up rolling a vehicle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I crashed a car essentially.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the short story is, as I was working out west of Utah Lake, and if you think about where Saratoga Springs is now, and you're on SR68, which is what Redwood Road turns into, and Utah County.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it goes straight through Saratoga Springs and that area out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: None of that was there when I was a new trooper.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm dating myself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a while ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's been a lot of growth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A few years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So super growth, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm working out there and I actually turned on a speeder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, unbeknownst to me, my supervisor turned on that same speeder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as I crested the hill, he was broadside in the road.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I had enough time to just swirve and go off the road.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in my mind, I thought, and I was in this little, it was a
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[SPEAKER_01]: manual drive right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, think about those those vehicles then they were that that boxy looking like a wedge fun though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah fun little car very not not a very practical police car.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We had at one time we had the largest Mustang fleet in in the United States here in Utah and you know for whatever reason we we chose those vehicles, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, that was the vehicle I was in, and I thought I could just, I could just wherve around him, and I wanted to get back on the road.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, when I went off the road, I lost control, endowed into a big rock, which put me, put me up and over onto my top, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Luckily, I was not severely injured at minor injuries.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I cut scrapes, bruises, that type of thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so the reason I tell you that story is because he so my supervisor when we were meeting about this afterwards, you know how I've gone got checked out of the hospital and and now we're now a few weeks after this and getting into a new car and all that he says you know what I think I want to send you to emergency vehicle operations instructor school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, okay, I'll go do that and so I so that was kind of like my first where I was exposed to police training and so I went to this they call EVO instructor school emergency vehicle operations and it's where you learn how to teach people how to drive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so here I am a two year, two and a half year trooper learning about this and that's what kind of got me into this training side of stuff and so so that's how I cut my teeth so to speak on the training side and then and then being able to teach that led to other opportunities to teach and learn stuff which then ultimately led me into that academy side because I'd been exposed to that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I became a firearms structure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I became a rifle instructor and all of these other things that you can then learn how to teach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess the reason why I'm bringing that up is because there are sometimes officers don't ever have that opportunity to do that kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was exposed to that very early.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then that just led for me for my pathway through my career for different opportunities.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And some people may not, so you could be a trooper
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[SPEAKER_01]: outside of just working the road for your entire career and there's nothing wrong with that right is I mean bless them that they can do that for the whole time but you but in going back to your question maybe this maybe this helps you understand the reason why I got that response back from people is because they knew what kind of a job I was doing at the academy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it definitely was not a push job in any in any means because I'm interacting with police administrators across the state and and they're good people, right, but sometimes they're demanding and they all think that you're they are your boss.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was puts a lot of pressure now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do this now when I would transfer out on the road.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't have that anymore and my wife was like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She, you're like, you've, you've just, there's a different side of you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're more relaxed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's so much nicer at home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was, that was not nice, but the same time, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it also, sometimes you just don't really recognize that you do need a change.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, and I got that change and then I happened to flourish a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got involved in our, our department's motorcycle program.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd always wanted to go through motor training.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a two week, very intense motor cycle training.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This guy's so talented.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's handling those bikes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my heck, and it was, I did it a little bit older, so I would recommend to people that are listening to this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If that's what you want to do, do it when you're young and you're a new officer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I did it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I did it in my late 40s and, um, you know, later on in my career, and just barely passed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I was like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I passed it and they didn't cut me any slack, even though I was the lieutenant over the motor program at the time of the city.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to meet these standards and I did it and then I was able to after that first year of passing the school and then you get out and ride.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then I was able to do I'll do a lot better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the next year when I went through the course to re-certify because you have to re-certify every year to be able to be on a police motorcycle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I went re-certified, I was a lot better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a lot of growth that I had that experience to an experience matters, definitely when you're doing that kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That, I guess, hopefully answers your question of why that is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll go, I'll even go back to when I was a new trooper working down in Utah County, just for the sake of getting extra money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I went and did a reserve program with approval police department, which is a great department.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I never complained about my Trooper job again after I worked with them because if you think about it, the city officers and a lot of times these county officers, they're just going from call to call to call to call and they don't have an opportunity to be to be very proactive unless you're assigned to one of their units like a lot of these city agencies have a traffic unit or they may have a motor program.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have they may have officers that are assigned to their traffic division and that's all they do is traffic crashes
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[SPEAKER_01]: right for traffic violations, that's a traffic unit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what I recognized was when you're on patrol and I'm just using my experience with Provo PD, I went, I would take those shifts and I just went from from vehicle burglary to noise complaint to to something else and all these calls that may make that got really old for me really fast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the reason
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[SPEAKER_01]: The higher patrol has a for sure heavy focus on proactivity like you mentioned before Yeah, like we want to try to be proactive to to get people to change their behaviors, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I recognize that other side of of the city work and it's not bad We need and we need officers who can do that right and they do do that But I also recognize too that there was a lot of people that were like
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm looking to get into a different division within the police department because this patrol work is wearing me down and I can see how and that's probably good that they have an opportunity to go do something else like make go do a detective and get that experience for a number of years and then maybe you go back to patrol as a supervisor or you go back to patrol for a little while before you promote or something along those lines and maybe that kind of maps out people's careers that way, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: but I was always very grateful for that experience because I didn't know even though I had tested for a city police agencies before I got hired with a high patrol, they just hadn't offered me a position yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have gone and worked for them and I wouldn't have known any different.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then over the years, I've just recognized that, yeah, what I do here at the higher patrol, I just really, it just fits me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People think about what they want to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I always encourage people go on ride along with agencies and make sure you have an understanding of what that department does and how they police in their community because that may help you guide to
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe you're like maybe I want to go and you know try the hybrid role.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because we need obviously we need law enforcement officers in all of our communities and all capacities.
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[SPEAKER_02]: For two questions, first of all being like, okay, you suggest going on right along.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like is that you're saying like after you've been through the program or will they just like, Yeah, we'll all go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're an interested party, either of you, if you said, you know what, I am now motivated to become an officer in my community.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would recommend to you to then go and ride along with a city agency, ride along with a state high or patrol and see what is the difference is compare what we do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do all of that research, watch the ride with the hives.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, watch those because
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even though it's some of the some of the episodes you would think man those aren't that's kind of boring work like they're out helping change a tire Yeah, what's interesting?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got the most hits for we have a female trooper that's up in camera if she's Davis or Weber County
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[SPEAKER_01]: and she was out helping a motorist change a flat tire and it was I think it was an elderly gentleman if I remember right when I looked at it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They said that that got more hits anything up to that point in time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course it was her out helping this individual on the side of the road just change a change a tire and get back onto the road.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, but that doesn't constitute all of what we do, but just a small portion of it, and sometimes it might be, might be kind of boring, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you, and you may change three or four tires in one day, and then you may go a whole week, and you don't, you haven't changed the tire or helped to change the tire, you know, for, for a little while.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you're saying if any civilian who is interested want to do a ride alone, but they would you more likely the law enforcement, you just would find a way to accommodate and I wouldn't say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would highly recommend that individuals does that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're interested, and this is what you want to do, then get out there, find out what it takes to do a ride along with that agency that you're interested in and do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Go on a ride along.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and go on a ride along with different agencies as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just to just see what they do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think like you and I incorporate, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like a, it's like an intern of an intern, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like the intern of the, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So my second question that I'm thinking about that too was, I think that in part because of the dramatization to some degree.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then also, you know, being the you are in law enforcement.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You are a government agency in many cases.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You get exposed to being in the news.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think people have assumptions about like what's the like for a job or like okay well what's the downside that you didn't think about and it's like oh well sometimes you work overtime okay it's like law enforcement I think is very different in the the types of things that are saying like oh here's some of the concerns that you have and I think that people know and are aware of like the inherent dangers of being a law enforcement in general right um
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[SPEAKER_02]: taking those things aside of like the major things that people would know from watching the shows like what were the things you say are oh here's things that you need to take into consideration to do this kind of job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You may not be aware of before you get into that is a great question because we've had this over even the most recent just recent recruitment classes that we've had.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we so you tell people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you're going to be working nights, weekends and holidays.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You understand that, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes it's a graveyard shift.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And new people sometimes get assigned to those those positions because you don't have seniority to bid to go to something else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So even though you'll tell them that and then once they experience that on the back end and now reality hits for them like, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I have to work six months of weekend graveyards, like, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is what you signed up for.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't you remember that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've actually had a few people that have quit because once the reality hit them, they were like, oh, I didn't realize it was really going to really be like this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just remember like, it didn't, when I was new, it didn't matter to me like you could have put me on any shift at all and I was like, I want to work and work and work and work and work as the new person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Matter of fact, I even made the mistake of going out on ride-alongs with my buddies on my crew.
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[SPEAKER_01]: on my days off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My life is like, what, when are you going to take time for a while now?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The good thing was, is that doesn't last very long.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You realize that you can't do that 24-hour comp thing, but that's, but that's how excited at least I was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I got into this when I was 21 years old.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, and now you think about 30 years later,
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[SPEAKER_01]: there's sometimes that I still feel like that same excitement like I can't wait to get out there on this DUI blitz and go out and interact with the community and work shoulder to shoulder with the troopers on the road that are doing that job every day right because that's why I got into the job that's why I got into the profession to just get out there and and maybe make a difference right and and work amongst the community and and do stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so nights and nights and weekends.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so making, yeah, just that they understand that you're going to have to do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And at some point time, you will get some seniority to where then you can bid something that might be a little bit better for your families.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's going to take some time, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to hold on, you've got to get through that new person cycle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you might be able to have an opportunity to get to go and do maybe even another job like transfer to investigations and get that experience side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Foster your career that way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What I think the obvious too, right, is they police officers, law enforcement of any kind, they put their lives on the line every day, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like traffic stops.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I hear are really dangerous or can be very dangerous, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, like, you know, you get into
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sure, you're you're you're looking like investigative departments or whatever probably not as dangerous because you're compiling data you try to figure stuff out, but it's it's those roles that are interacting with the public directly and trying to reduce the chance of harm or risk like your your front line like you are there being the defense for the public.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and that front-line side of it, even though we teach you of ways to mitigate those risks, there's always, you cannot mitigate everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't create a zero risk environment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's always going to be something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll just give you an example, so like when I first started, there was not it a lot of emphasis to go to the, go to the non traffic side of the, of the, of the stop, you know, where that live traffic is going by you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You'd make an approach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a whole to the right and you're, then you're, then you're there kind of standing where that live traffic is going by you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you can't control that life traffic and something that we did a few years into my career.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Many, many years ago, was let's think about going to that non-traffic side, because we were seeing a trend of law enforcement officers getting hit and severely injured and killed on traffic stops or on any kind of a contact with the citizen, even if it was a traffic crash.
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[SPEAKER_01]: where they were working and putting them exposing themselves out to that live traffic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we try to get that moved, and that's just an example of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a risk, mitigation, but it doesn't reduce everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So many scenarios.
01:00:43.045 --> 01:00:47.468
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you can't create a simulation for every scenario.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just not possible.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not possible.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What has been some of your highlights of your career?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, what's kind of like your favorite thing, it motivates you to continue to be a law enforcement officer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it is, it comes down to people and relationships.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can think about, oh, it's cool to get a marked car and a uniform and go out in the public.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But really, once you realize and recognize what your role is in the community, that's something that is very rewarding, at least for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We try to instill that in our troopers, like we want them to be members of the community.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We want them to be examples.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We want them
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[SPEAKER_01]: to be not known just for as a trooper but that they're also a good mother, a good father, a good stewardship of the community and that they can be looked at to be pillars, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so when I think back to to my career and what has been rewarding, it's also those relationships that I build up with people that I've worked with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they
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[SPEAKER_01]: there's some of my best friends ever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I were to recap my career and think about what it was that was been most important to me, it's really the people that you get to know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And get to work with and have those same shared values.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and want to, and then are doing it for the right reason because because none of us get into this because we are going to make money and we're going to be rich, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember working as a trooper and then also doing that stuff with Provo PD and then also looking for construction jobs with my family to just make ends meet, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's there's there's stories like that that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that are out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember talking to our the Colonel of the Higher Patrol and he's he's a concrete guy by you know by yeah so I construction trade and he he remembers being a new trooper and pouring concrete so he could make his house payment oh man you can juxty know as a new trooper all those 30 something years ago and and and there's stories like that that we
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[SPEAKER_01]: that troopers have all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now and I will say has gotten better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Our state legislature has really gotten behind state law enforcement.
01:02:57.661 --> 01:03:02.485
[SPEAKER_01]: So department of corrections DNR and higher patrol to up the pay scale.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're now not even the lowest paid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're in the we're constantly within the top three top five paid highest paid agencies now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is good because
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[SPEAKER_01]: we need that to to keep recruitment up and to maintain people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You guys need it and also deserve it for how much you guys do for the community is keeping everything everybody safe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but but there's I don't think that they could that our if you think about all the the layers of law enforcement.
01:03:36.128 --> 01:03:39.849
[SPEAKER_01]: our public cannot pay enough of what they actually deserve, right?
01:03:39.909 --> 01:03:43.350
[SPEAKER_01]: Because just because of the way that the tax structure is.
01:03:43.970 --> 01:03:44.971
[SPEAKER_01]: That's never going to happen.
01:03:45.011 --> 01:03:51.933
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, and quite frankly, I don't think we should have that happen because then that gets people into it for the wrong reason.
01:03:51.993 --> 01:03:55.194
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, you need to get into it for the right reasons.
01:03:55.574 --> 01:03:56.974
[SPEAKER_01]: And money should not be there.
01:03:57.274 --> 01:04:03.236
[SPEAKER_01]: You should be able to make a livable wage, but not be like, hey, I'm going to go into this to get to become rich.
01:04:03.616 --> 01:04:04.217
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:04:04.457 --> 01:04:05.557
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not the reason.
01:04:06.780 --> 01:04:15.704
[SPEAKER_02]: If you had to go either back in time or if you had advice for somebody who it's like saying, hey, I'm I'm really thinking about this aside from something we haven't covered.
01:04:15.724 --> 01:04:26.389
[SPEAKER_02]: I know that right along because one of your big ones, yes, but if there was something you could say, hey, here's what I suggest if you're thinking about going into law enforcement, this is what I would tell somebody who's really kind of thinking about it.
01:04:26.750 --> 01:04:27.270
[SPEAKER_02]: What would you say?
01:04:27.850 --> 01:04:32.674
[SPEAKER_01]: do your research, make sure that you are doing it for the right reasons.
01:04:32.755 --> 01:04:36.358
[SPEAKER_01]: Ask yourself, why do I want to get into law enforcement?
01:04:36.398 --> 01:04:41.623
[SPEAKER_01]: For me, when I was that younger self, I just wasn't
01:04:42.738 --> 01:04:45.380
[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't fulfilled doing contracting work.
01:04:45.980 --> 01:04:50.803
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not to say that contracting work is not bad because now I do it as a hobby, right?
01:04:51.364 --> 01:04:56.527
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what keeps me sane, so to speak, from my law enforcement work.
01:04:57.007 --> 01:05:01.650
[SPEAKER_01]: So everybody needs that side of that and motorcycle riding, dirt bike riding.
01:05:02.071 --> 01:05:03.051
[SPEAKER_01]: That's phenomenal.
01:05:03.672 --> 01:05:04.853
[SPEAKER_01]: I love doing that kind of stuff.
01:05:04.913 --> 01:05:09.336
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what you need to ask yourself is really, why do you want to get into this?
01:05:10.176 --> 01:05:15.999
[SPEAKER_01]: And then what do you have to contribute back to your local communities, right?
01:05:17.359 --> 01:05:19.920
[SPEAKER_01]: I look at you two in your talents and what you're doing.
01:05:19.940 --> 01:05:24.623
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think, okay, how can we, how could I utilize these guys in the future, yeah?
01:05:28.004 --> 01:05:52.527
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean that that's what I would tell people and and then just look for ways to then once you're in law enforcement to really foster what is what what drives you and then and then go after that like we have I've I've some young guys we have a full-time DUI squad and all they do is go out there on weekend well they start Wednesday night and they work nights all the way through the weekend and that is their job
01:05:53.127 --> 01:06:01.329
[SPEAKER_01]: they go out there and they make a lot of traffic stops, they work in and saturate areas and then they're looking to remove impaired drivers off the roadway, right?
01:06:01.530 --> 01:06:02.290
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's their job.
01:06:02.350 --> 01:06:13.793
[SPEAKER_01]: And you can do that for a good two to three years to where to where you just don't become, you'll, you'll start to probably start to become burned out and then you need to do something different.
01:06:13.813 --> 01:06:22.276
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's good because the experience that you get doing that is really set you up for future stuff and in a career, at least for the higher
01:06:23.236 --> 01:06:24.256
[SPEAKER_01]: Not everybody does that.
01:06:24.316 --> 01:06:26.717
[SPEAKER_01]: Not every trooper goes through the DUI squad.
01:06:27.597 --> 01:06:29.758
[SPEAKER_01]: But we have so many different specialties.
01:06:29.818 --> 01:06:31.739
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we have a full-time SWAT team.
01:06:31.779 --> 01:06:33.819
[SPEAKER_01]: It's called a special emergency response team.
01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:39.081
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's now expanding off of the Wasatch front more.
01:06:39.221 --> 01:06:46.523
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's opening up troopers being able to go and get that experience that they didn't have before for the opportunity to try out for that.
01:06:47.063 --> 01:06:51.008
[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, to do that, you've got to be a good decision maker.
01:06:51.469 --> 01:06:57.415
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to be able to shoot well, and you've got to be in great shape, because we may call you out in the dead of winter.
01:06:57.456 --> 01:07:06.646
[SPEAKER_01]: We may call you out in the summer when it's so hot, and you've got to, your body has to be able to be in those environments for long hours with lots of equipment on.
01:07:07.507 --> 01:07:13.309
[SPEAKER_01]: and then make still make good decisions in these very dynamic situations.
01:07:14.069 --> 01:07:17.690
[SPEAKER_01]: And so you just have to find what is your niche.
01:07:17.730 --> 01:07:25.812
[SPEAKER_01]: So even though when you start working as a trooper, like I didn't know I was going to be a trainer, when I first started as a trooper, I just wanted to work in law enforcement.
01:07:26.552 --> 01:07:31.897
[SPEAKER_01]: it just so happens that I got exposed to that early on and then I took to it.
01:07:32.518 --> 01:07:42.787
[SPEAKER_01]: That was something that I enjoyed doing and that kind of helped me get comfortable talking in front of people and being up in front of a classroom or being in front of people and then then
01:07:43.708 --> 01:07:50.855
[SPEAKER_01]: It just, it really springboarded my career from there, but I didn't know what was going to be like that.
01:07:51.376 --> 01:08:00.765
[SPEAKER_01]: Some people have our able to map out their career and say I'm going to do this and this and I'm going to get all this experience and then that, then that takes them up to some of those administrative positions.
01:08:01.145 --> 01:08:07.472
[SPEAKER_01]: For me, that wasn't the case, but if you are able to do that and you are able to map that out, so what I would tell somebody is if,
01:08:08.052 --> 01:08:13.394
[SPEAKER_01]: is if you know and you have specific things like you want to become a detective, that's your goal.
01:08:14.054 --> 01:08:28.758
[SPEAKER_01]: Then learn the street stuff first, get that experience, go all in on that, and that'll make you a better detective when that position or when that opportunity finally arises, or an agent, like for our department, it's called an SPI agent.
01:08:29.499 --> 01:08:30.019
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
01:08:30.059 --> 01:08:30.719
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I know.
01:08:30.739 --> 01:08:31.779
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's not a lovely
01:08:36.121 --> 01:08:54.978
[SPEAKER_03]: Plug time, self-promote time, what things you want to, if viewers are watching this and they say, you know, I want to look more into Utah law enforcement, where places that they could go, resources that you recommend, and anything else you want to call out.
01:08:55.178 --> 01:08:57.940
[SPEAKER_01]: So first thing, we have a recruitment web page.
01:08:58.100 --> 01:09:02.744
[SPEAKER_01]: It's called Become a Utah Trooper.org.
01:09:02.764 --> 01:09:09.569
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, but if you were to do a search on that, if you were to Google that, so to speak, it'll take you to that web page.
01:09:09.670 --> 01:09:16.035
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it talks about all the minimum requirements to see if you are, if you got the age requirement, if you have a,
01:09:16.595 --> 01:09:37.847
[SPEAKER_01]: high school diploma or a GED you know all those things that you need to do and then how to prepare yourself physically for that because we do have a physical test you're gonna have to go through do a vertical jump one minute sit-ups a mile and a half run those minimum requirements are all listed on there so then you'll know okay can I do those things and you'll go out and practice that and get ready for it
01:09:38.407 --> 01:09:57.313
[SPEAKER_01]: So I would tell people go out and do that research, but also find out is it, so since we're talking about Utah or patrol stuff, is being a trooper right for you, and you're way to figure that out, is go and check out those right with the hive videos that are posted up on YouTube.
01:09:57.773 --> 01:10:03.695
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at that stuff and see if that's things that you can visualize yourself doing in your job, in your career.
01:10:04.175 --> 01:10:06.016
[SPEAKER_01]: and then and then just make application.
01:10:06.276 --> 01:10:10.339
[SPEAKER_01]: We are our rotation is anywhere from every six to eight weeks.
01:10:10.499 --> 01:10:12.240
[SPEAKER_01]: We are doing another recruitment.
01:10:13.060 --> 01:10:17.843
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's approximately five to six times a year that we're hiring troopers.
01:10:17.863 --> 01:10:20.885
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's almost like we are constantly hiring troopers, but that's
01:10:21.665 --> 01:10:26.707
[SPEAKER_01]: that is that's what has helped us to be the most successful in our recruitment opportunities.
01:10:27.147 --> 01:10:28.988
[SPEAKER_01]: And then just also get to know our department.
01:10:29.008 --> 01:10:36.090
[SPEAKER_01]: There's there's a lot of stuff that I didn't even talk about in our specialty units that that you can do and become involved in.
01:10:36.150 --> 01:10:41.352
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's not to say that you're going to get involved in that on day one because you've got to get that base
01:10:42.611 --> 01:11:01.540
[SPEAKER_01]: Trooper knowledge down first learn how to become a trooper state trooper first and and then you will figure out what you want to go and do in the future so become a trooper yeah, and then Look at all that stuff like right with the hive any social media accounts or anything that you want to call outside of right with the hive
01:11:01.980 --> 01:11:04.703
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think we are active on social media.
01:11:04.723 --> 01:11:06.244
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a high control.
01:11:06.865 --> 01:11:07.466
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:11:07.506 --> 01:11:14.753
[SPEAKER_01]: So we actually have a full-time recruiter and his name's Luis, and he does he manages a lot of that.
01:11:14.793 --> 01:11:16.615
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, there's some oversight to that, right, sure.
01:11:17.076 --> 01:11:19.618
[SPEAKER_01]: But he puts out stuff all the time, like when there's
01:11:21.440 --> 01:11:43.206
[SPEAKER_01]: big incidents that go on he'll he'll either highlight that or he'll try to find stories good stories like we had we actually had a trooper in our section in solid county section help deliver a baby oh yeah weeks ago and that may be hit the news and and so that happens you know and that has happened over the years to where people are trying to get to the hospital and then that baby is just coming coming in the higher patrol gets called
01:11:43.766 --> 01:11:45.827
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're there right we're just there to do that.
01:11:45.867 --> 01:11:51.351
[SPEAKER_01]: So so that's something that you may not you get up in the morning You may not think I'm going to help deliver a baby.
01:11:51.511 --> 01:12:01.597
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure But that is happened and so he helps to highlight those things and he gets on the social media platforms to do that Instagram Facebook those type of things
01:12:01.957 --> 01:12:04.099
[SPEAKER_01]: I have one question for you too, yeah, go for it.
01:12:04.279 --> 01:12:07.661
[SPEAKER_01]: So just something to think about because then people may think about this too.
01:12:07.962 --> 01:12:15.107
[SPEAKER_01]: And, and sorry, I should have asked this earlier, so you could have been thinking about what is your biggest, what is your biggest public safety concern?
01:12:16.863 --> 01:12:36.394
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, or geez, yeah, like my biggest public safety concern yeah, and then so that's the question what is the concern and then and do you have any ideas of how how to help solve that yeah, I mean if the Little viewers put it to the comments to have one yeah, we could yeah, I am hyper aware.
01:12:44.279 --> 01:12:48.796
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, just because I know as a new driver, it's just crazy to me how many.
01:12:49.802 --> 01:13:10.867
[SPEAKER_02]: Like 16 year old every year, there's just a new batch and it's like of the just new drivers and people just don't realize how dangerous driving is right just like in general right that's like my micro what is just that right just because I'm thinking like oh yeah Actually, my brother just told me about a DUI that just happened just down the street just it was yesterday.
01:13:10.887 --> 01:13:11.307
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah last night.
01:13:11.327 --> 01:13:11.887
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was a crash or
01:13:16.068 --> 01:13:32.900
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so those are the kind of things where I'm just like, I'm hyper aware and concerned about the safety of my daughter who's also occasionally going to be driving some of my other kids and just like being on the road and I'm like, this needs to be, you know, addressed, which I don't think I have any ideas.
01:13:32.980 --> 01:13:38.404
[SPEAKER_02]: And so far, I feel like most of the stuff has been pretty good, but that doesn't mean I'm not, and that's like, that's mine right now.
01:13:38.504 --> 01:13:38.745
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
01:13:39.005 --> 01:13:39.285
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:13:39.405 --> 01:13:42.747
[SPEAKER_03]: I think for mine, having younger kids,
01:13:43.628 --> 01:13:53.313
[SPEAKER_03]: their sheer safety, like while we're out making sure that I know where they are, that they're not getting taken from my family, that they know that they can be safe in our house.
01:13:55.054 --> 01:13:59.396
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think just more of like a protective, I think general father thing, right?
01:13:59.416 --> 01:14:00.336
[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
01:14:00.617 --> 01:14:07.060
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think the trafficking thing has become more real of how much is of that is happening.
01:14:07.320 --> 01:14:08.741
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think I've gotten to the driving
01:14:13.543 --> 01:14:15.304
[SPEAKER_03]: on eight years old.
01:14:15.624 --> 01:14:31.470
[SPEAKER_03]: I've tried to take I'm a fan of firearms and try to train myself and try to make sure that I have like awareness of what's going on, situational awareness and self-defense and all this other stuff.
01:14:31.878 --> 01:14:32.658
[SPEAKER_01]: That sounds good to me.
01:14:32.698 --> 01:14:38.121
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I feel like when you, when you are a citizen that has that awareness, that's what we need.
01:14:38.141 --> 01:14:50.027
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you're, your eyes and your ability to be able to protect yourself because ultimately if you think about it, you're going to have to protect yourself for a sum amount of time before law enforcement can respond.
01:14:50.047 --> 01:14:50.247
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:14:50.628 --> 01:14:55.150
[SPEAKER_01]: And those that can keep a level head in an emergency situation, make good decisions.
01:14:56.110 --> 01:15:07.759
[SPEAKER_01]: and and be prepared for those type of things that law enforcement deals with every day you may deal with one or two of those in your whole life law enforcement is dealing with those situations.
01:15:07.799 --> 01:15:10.341
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, most of the time I'm like zero.
01:15:10.381 --> 01:15:11.922
[SPEAKER_02]: I would love to deal with zero.
01:15:11.942 --> 01:15:13.343
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what I'm going to share.
01:15:13.883 --> 01:15:14.424
[SPEAKER_01]: We do want.
01:15:14.464 --> 01:15:15.825
[SPEAKER_01]: We want our citizens.
01:15:15.865 --> 01:15:16.745
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a goal.
01:15:16.985 --> 01:15:19.207
[SPEAKER_01]: Our citizens have to deal with that zero.
01:15:19.227 --> 01:15:22.369
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to be able to walk down the street and drive wherever you need to go.
01:15:22.389 --> 01:15:23.129
[SPEAKER_02]: It feels safe.
01:15:23.209 --> 01:15:23.650
[SPEAKER_01]: And safe.
01:15:23.890 --> 01:15:24.050
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:15:24.130 --> 01:15:24.590
[SPEAKER_01]: That is.
01:15:24.850 --> 01:15:31.014
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you think about it, that is the overall arching mission of the Department of Public Safety.
01:15:31.515 --> 01:15:32.755
[SPEAKER_01]: Keep people safe.
01:15:32.876 --> 01:15:34.517
[SPEAKER_01]: When you look at that, that is our mission.
01:15:35.257 --> 01:15:41.123
[SPEAKER_01]: It's and then every division has some kind of nexus that points to that to keeping people safe.
01:15:41.163 --> 01:15:43.125
[SPEAKER_01]: We want to create that safe environment in Utah.
01:15:43.406 --> 01:15:43.586
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:15:43.766 --> 01:15:44.707
[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's our mission.
01:15:44.967 --> 01:15:46.549
[SPEAKER_01]: That's our simple mission.
01:15:46.909 --> 01:15:47.110
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:15:48.051 --> 01:15:48.731
[SPEAKER_01]: We appreciate you.
01:15:49.012 --> 01:15:49.352
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
01:15:49.412 --> 01:15:50.153
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for your service.
01:15:50.173 --> 01:15:50.693
[SPEAKER_01]: This is great.
01:15:50.974 --> 01:15:52.155
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for your invite to this.
01:15:52.195 --> 01:15:52.876
[SPEAKER_01]: This was awesome.
01:15:52.916 --> 01:15:53.416
[SPEAKER_01]: Appreciate it.
01:15:53.697 --> 01:15:54.077
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, thanks.