Behavioural Optometry Explained | Dr Kimberley Linert on Vision Therapy & Eye Skills

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Welcome to Where Science Meets Self -Care with
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Ida Fanelli. With over 30 years in beauty and
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energy, and empowered self -care. Now, here's
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your host, Ida Finelli. Hello, everyone. I'm
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excited to say that I have Kimberly Linnert here
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today. She is a pioneer in behavioral optometry.
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While she began her education as a traditional
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optometrist, her journey soon led her beyond
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just glasses and eye charts into the deeper layers
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of vision where the eyes, brain, and body work
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together in profound and often surprising ways.
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Her education spans a broad spectrum from traditional
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optometry and brain rehabilitation to microcurrent
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therapy, neurolinguistic programming, Reiki,
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emotional healing, and neuroplasty -based intelligence
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training. From all this knowledge, she formed
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the Optic Brain Fit Foundation. This world -class
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therapy combines traditional vision therapy with
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brain and movement integration for life -changing
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results. She's also the author of Visualizing
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Happiness in Every Area of Your Life, a beautifully
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accessible guide that merges sensory awareness
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with practical goal setting, offering readers
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an experimental path towards greater clarity,
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joy, and purpose. On a personal note, Kimberly
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raised three children as a single mother and
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is now a proud grandmother. She finds joy in
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connecting with people, doing CrossFit and yoga,
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creating art and being near water, the beach,
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a lake, a pool, or anywhere nature calls. Welcome,
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Kimberly. Let's start with your journey. How
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did you first get into optometry and what led
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you to the behavioral aspect of this work? All
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right. Well, thank you, first of all, for having
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me on your show. I love it. Thank you for being
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here. You have. So, yeah, when you're growing
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up and people say, what is it you want to do
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when you grow, you know, when you get older?
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And I thought, well, I had an aunt who was a
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doctor and I said, I want to be a doctor like
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her because I admired her. And then I realized
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when I got to high school and I had to do biology.
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you know, using pigs and dissecting and everything,
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I decided that blood was not for me. And so I
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looked to see what thing I could do to help people
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that didn't involve a lot of blood. And about
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that same time, I was trying contact lenses for
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the first time. And I'm like, oh, this doctor
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helps people. And he doesn't have to deal with
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blood. So I'm like, that would be a good profession.
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So that's how I chose optometry itself. And optometry
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is a very left brained type of calling as far
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as just doing the science of everything. And
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I'm very right brained in that I'm very artistic.
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I see that. And I also love. working with people
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so when I got into optometry school I did a rotation
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in the vision therapy clinic where I worked with
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a young boy I'll just call him Darren and he
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was a nine -year -old when he came in he was
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very shy looking down but very friendly you know
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sweet kid but very shy and you could tell he
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kind of lacked confidence and so I started working
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with him doing these vision eye exercises and
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after about four or five weeks he'd come in and
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his Head was up. He was happy. He was like smiling.
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Hey, how are you? And I'm like, Darren, because
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I'm new, so I'm just doing what I was taught,
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right? So I said, Darren, has anything changed
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since I've been working with you these last few
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weeks? He's like, yes. I said, well, what is
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it? He said, well, I don't feel stupid anymore.
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I said, what? You don't feel stupid anymore.
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I said, what do you mean by that? He said, well,
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in the past. I couldn't read. And so when I was
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asked to read aloud in class, everyone would
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laugh at me. But now I can read and nobody laughs
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at me. And I'm just like, oh, that just hit my
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heart. And I'm like, oh, if I could just do this
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over and over, help people have the skills they
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need to have that confidence, have that self
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-love, the feeling like they can do things again.
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I'm like, that would be fulfilling enough for
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me for a whole life. That's what I did. I went
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into what's called behavioral optometry. And
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that's where we have therapy centers and we kind
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of train the eyes and the brain to work together
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as a team. And then as I was doing more and more
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work there, I realized I was doing more brain
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work than vision. So it flipped from... 80 %
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vision, 20 % brain to 80 % brain work, 20 % vision.
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And then I realized as I added movement to it,
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that would give me sustainable results where
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they would really stick because the body has
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memory from movement. We also create new brain
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pathways when we move. And so that's where the
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optic brain fit came in. As the years went on,
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I was just developing this new technology. Wow.
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It's so nice when you get feedback from people
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and then it inspires you to go on. You've been
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called a mind -body -soul whisperer. That's such
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a powerful phrase. How did your work evolve to
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blend holistic and scientific approaches? Yeah,
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so about the same time I was learning vision
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therapy and I was being mentored by Dr. David
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Cook, who is... one of the most famous vision
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therapy doctors in the world at this point. In
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fact, he just got a very prestigious award a
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couple months ago, like the highest award you
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can get in behavioral optometry. As I was learning
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from him, my children were very small, and my
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middle child had a nose that kept running and
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running, and no matter what we did, she walked
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around and it was horrible. She had this runny
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nose and I didn't know what to do. And the regular
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doctors weren't helping us. And so somebody said,
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well, take her to this doctor who does naturopathy.
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He's a naturopathic doctor. I'm like, okay. So
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I took her there. He said, well, first of all,
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she needs to stop eating cheese because she's
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allergic to dairy. And then he gave us some homeopathics
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and she got better. I'm like, oh, there's something
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to this. So then as I evolved, I integrated more
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and more natural medicine into it, learning energetic
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medicine, homeopathy, herbs, different supplements.
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So because when I work with people, I need to
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look at their nutrition as well as their mental
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health, as well as their emotional health, as
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well as just even their family structure and
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what's happening at home. Because if you're working
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with someone in a therapy center, but things
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at home are not positive for that person and
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they're going home and they're being put down
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or things aren't happening well, then your gains
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are going to keep falling apart. You're going
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to say, well, this person gets better and then
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gets worse and then gets better and then gets
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worse. So you have to look at everything when
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it comes to the person to create a customized
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program to help them get to the goal they want.
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Yeah, so for those... who are new to this space
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can you explain to them what exactly optic brain
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fit is and how does it differ from traditional
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vision therapy traditional vision therapy we're
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using a lot of lenses and prisms and doing a
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lot of focusing and making just the eyes work
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a lot and getting the eyes to coordinate together
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as a team eye movements things like that but
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the optic brain fit a large portion of it You
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are moving your eyes and doing certain tasks
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with your eyes, but it's more of the body integrated
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for most of the work. It puts in a lot more movement.
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The eyes are deeply connected to the brain, and
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some holistic practices even explore how eye
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patterns reflect systemic health. Regardless
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of the modality, there's no denying vision's
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influence on emotion, hormone balance, and motor
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coordination. Why do you think vision is a powerful
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yet often overlooked part of brain and body performance?
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I think part of the reasons anything is overlooked
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is that most traditional, I guess, Western medicine
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doctors are just treating parts. They're treating
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parts. You go to the ear, nose, and throat doctor,
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he's treating your ears. He's not looking at
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all of you. oh, why does this person have an
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earache? Well, if you're just treating the ear
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locally, what if they have an infection in their
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whole body, but you don't know it because you're
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not checking everything? So I think that's one
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of the reasons. And behavioral optometrists in
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general are going to look at the whole body.
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We're going to look how everything works. Many
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unconsciously move their neck instead of using
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their eyes to track movement, weakening the muscles
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over time. Does over -relying on head or neck
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movement rather than accurate eye tracking impair
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visual performance or disrupt brain integration?
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And how might this habit impact posture coordination
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or emotional regulation? That's a really good
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question. So it's really important that your
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eyes and your head move independently. Now, if
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you're going to go walk in a direction to the
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right, you definitely want to turn your body,
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turn your head and turn your eyes going in that
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direction. But you also want to have the ability
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to turn your head to the right and turn your
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eyes to the left because when they work together,
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it's very inefficient. Even a small eight or
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nine -year -old, if they're reading and they're,
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looking like a chicken pecking when they're reading,
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that's very inefficient. And their reading comprehension
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and reading speed will go down significantly.
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And they'll just be considered a slow reader
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or have difficulty with reading. Yeah. My husband
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had an accident that caused damage to his peripheral
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vision. How might that affect his navigation,
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perception, or emotional life experience? And
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what... One surprising thing about the vision
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system you wish more people knew? That's a two
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-part question. Okay. The first part is, you
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know, we have central and peripheral vision.
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Our central vision is for identifying, clarifying
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things, focusing. Our peripheral vision is for
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balance and for navigating. So if he had something
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that was affecting his peripheral vision, first
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of all, It's not as safe for him in the environment
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because he's not noticing what's around him.
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So he could easily either fall over because of
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balance or run into things. People who have had
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injuries and say, like, I keep running into the
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side of the door. Especially those doors where
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it's all glass. And they really are looking at
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the door and they think they see where the door
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is, but because they have what we call neglect
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on that side. they don't see it and they run
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right into it. So it's really important that
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you use your central and your peripheral vision
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together. And for lots of reasons, one for navigating,
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two, it just increases your ability to think,
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to make decisions, to have certainty in life,
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to have confidence in life. There's so many things
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attached to that. Most of us go around using
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just our central vision. Why? Because we're in
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front of screens all the time. But it's very
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important that you open up and use everything.
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And then the second part of the question, there's
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lots of things that I wish people knew about
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the vision, but just looking at just the physical
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health of the eyes. The eyes are the endpoint
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for everything. So if your body is sick, these
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are the endpoints. If you have diabetes, you
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could get bleeding in your eye. If you have thyroid
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issues, you can have problems with your eye.
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If you have high blood pressure problems, you're
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going to have problems with your eyes. So it's
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really important to keep care of this part of
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your body, the whole body. And what's important
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is one, breathing, which sounds funny, but we
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need to breathe and get good oxygen and breathe
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well. We need to move to keep everything circulating
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the way it should. And then when it comes to
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foods, the most important thing for eyes, is
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green i tell people green is good so you want
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to eat green spinach and collard greens and turnip
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greens and broccoli the darker green the better
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other things that are good of course carrots
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are famous for that there's a good for night
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vision some other things and then even your tomatoes
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and your yellow peppers your yellow and orange
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vegetables are very very important for eyes what
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is damaging to eyes in the physical realm is
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anything with chemicals so aspartame and eat
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things out of the frozen section and or in the
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canned section And it has those chemicals that
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are very damaging to the retina. Wow. I never
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thought about it that way. We take astaxanthin
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every day. We heard it was good for the eyes
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too. So I'm sure you're big on that as well.
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Okay. I'm curious. Can trauma or chronic stress
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manifest in the visual system and how might visual
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therapy support emotional or even spiritual healing?
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Yes. So first of all, just looking at the emotions.
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Regardless of how your vision is, whether you
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wear glasses or contacts or not, how well you
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see or not, when we're tired, sick, or upset,
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our vision doesn't work as well. It gets blurrier.
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We don't notice as much things. Sometimes we
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get tunnel vision, or we just don't feel good,
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or even things get kind of fuzzy in our world,
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and that's from the stress. Even after doing
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vision therapy, during those situations, tired,
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sick, or upset, Like, for example, if there's
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a person that we worked with and their eye was
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one eye pointing over here and one eye pointing
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straight, and we got them so that their eyes
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look straight all the time, it's called strabismus.
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When they're tired, sick, or upset, sometimes
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their eye will still go out because they don't
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have any resources left, if you will. But most
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of the time, they're going to control the eyes
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and look straight. But any person under stress,
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your vision is not going to be as good. Definitely.
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You also lead retreats. Can you share more about
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what those experiences offer and how they differ
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from your one -on -one work? Yes, I prefer very
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small groups, 8 to 12 at the most, because I
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like to go very deep with people because retreats
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are when you take someone out of their regular
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environment and you put them in this little safe
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place away from their regular life. And that's
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when you can really do deep work. So I'll work
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with them in a group, but then I'll also work
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with them one -on -one. And usually people are
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coming because they're in a transition period
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or they're making decisions that are not beneficial
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for themselves. And so we need to kind of clear
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some of those blind spots, some of those things,
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filters that are causing them to make decisions
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that aren't good or keeping them from making
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decisions that are beneficial for them. Do you
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see some exciting results from doing that? I
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love doing it. A lot of people, they've had emotional
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things or trauma in their life, and they might
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have been going, and this is not to put down
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any other profession, but they've been going
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to a counselor or a psychologist or psychiatrist
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for years for the same traumatic event and talking
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about the same traumatic event over and over
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for years. And guess what? They still are feeling
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the trauma. And it was like, okay, something's
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wrong. The way I work with people, we don't make
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them go back into the trauma and live it again
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or talk about it or anything. We just look from
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kind of a distant place, almost like a third
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person place, if you will. I use the example
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of... You're in a church in the balcony and you
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can see the front and you can see the people
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in the bottom and you're up here and the events
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happening down on the stage, but you're up here.
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So you're like looking down at it. So it's a
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way they can distance themselves from it. They
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can emotionally distance themselves from it and
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then just wipe it out. And it's like, okay, let's
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take this away as if it had never happened. At
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least it's not going to have any more charge
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over me. Oh, great. You blend science, healing,
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emotional wellness, and spiritual insight into
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your client's work. Do you follow a structure
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or process when guiding someone through a transformation?
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Yes, I have a framework, but it depends on the
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person I'm working with. So I will go deeply
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into the case history, if you will. Being a doctor,
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I call it a case history. I'm going deeply into,
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okay, where are you at right now? What's the
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outcome you want? From that point, I choose which
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tools to use because I told someone this once
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and they thought it was kind of funny, but I
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tell people, I have a shed full of tools in the
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back. I have a lot of tools because I had to
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learn so many different things because of what
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I did. So I see what's there. I see where you
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want to go. And then I pull out the... appropriate
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tools oh great personalize it for them then yes
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okay do you have daily practices to help with
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your own vision yes yes and there's like I'm
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just wondering you had trouble with your eyes
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have your own eyes improved oh definitely so
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this is a long time story so about 30 years ago
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I actually went through a vision therapy treatment
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myself and also did some things on my own as
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far as treating my vision. Not everybody knows
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what the numbers are, but I was nearsighted.
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My numbers were minus 3 .00. So I tell people
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that's in diopters. So diopters are in dollars
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and quarters like money. So it was a minus 3
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in the right and a minus 3 .00 in the left. That
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doesn't sound good. No, I was very nearsighted.
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I have trouble driving at night. I was very nearsighted.
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Also, when I was tired, I would see two yellow
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lines in the road. I would get some double vision
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sometimes too. And glasses didn't help you with
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that? No, no. It helped me clear my vision, the
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glasses, but it didn't get rid of the double
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vision. Okay. I did the vision therapy on myself.
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And now... My prescription is a minus 1 .25,
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so it was $3, but now it's $1 .25 and $1, 1 .00.
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And you don't see the double lines now? I don't
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see the double lines now, and it's been that
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same prescription for 30 years. That's great,
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you know, because usually when you get older,
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your eyes get worse. Right, and I'm way over
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40, and I need nothing for reading. which is
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uncommon. I'm way past 40 and I need nothing
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for reading. So like you're doing maintenance
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on yourself still is what you're saying. I think
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at this point I am not doing a daily like vision
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therapy exercises, but there's practices that
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I've implemented that I automatically do. So
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for example, if I'm driving and I see it, look
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at how did it assign and it looks a little bit
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fuzzy. I know to blink and wink my eye a certain
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way, like blink it open fast, and it's going
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to clear it because I've practiced it so much
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that it automatically becomes clear. Oh, great.
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Well, that's so exciting to hear that. Same thing
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as when I walk outside, you know, talking about
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the central peripheral vision, so many people
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walk around with their blinders on or the people
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who have attention issues, it's because they're
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using their peripheral and they're not focused
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and they just. run after everything or whatever,
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they can't stay focused. But I've already practiced
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that when I go freshly into a bigger place, it's
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easier to expand then, that I just automatically
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use my central peripheral vision together. But
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it's because when I was practicing it, I practiced
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it till it was automatic. So now the things I'm
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doing are automatic. And that's why my vision
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is staying stable and good. That's wonderful
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to hear that. It's inspiring. Do you ever use
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any of your devices that you have to help it
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or is it just exercises? Well, there's different
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things you can use because when you say devices,
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that just opens up a can of worms. There's so
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many things. So one of the things that I didn't
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use when I first started out doing the therapy
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on myself, but I incorporated it later, was syntonic
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light therapy. So using certain frequencies of
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light can be very healing, not just for vision
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itself, but for emotions, for the physical body.
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So different colors. heal different things or
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at least balance the body depending on what you
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need. So that's one thing. And there's a microcurrent
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you can use. The microcurrent you have, you know,
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you're actually putting things on the body. This
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one, you just hold these electrodes in your hand
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and it circulates through the body. And so you
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can self -do it. In other words, you don't have
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to have another person do it. You can just hold
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them, and then the microcurrent machine can be
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programmed. So mine is really just programmed
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for reducing stress. Like we talked about, if
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you have high stress, you're not going to see
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well. So I have mine programmed for just stress
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relief, but that can be programmed for all the
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different layers in the back of the eye and everything.
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They're all separate frequencies. That's exciting
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to hear. Yeah, I know I've watched a few YouTube
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videos on those devices, but nobody up here does
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it. Okay, so you also do keynote speaking. What
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message do you most love sharing from the stage?
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Well, let me put it this way. My mission in life,
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what I think my purpose is, because I'm helping
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other people find their purpose, right? So my
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purpose is to help people feel loved, important,
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and needed. I wrote this book, Visualizing Happiness,
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and every... area of your life. And it's kind
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of like a step by step guide to finding out who
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you are, what you like, what's important, and
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then putting it on your calendar and actually
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making it happen. So this is one way I can help
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people find their purpose or what they're supposed
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to be doing right now. I do it through my podcast
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by having all sorts of different people on there
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doing different things to spark people's curiosity
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and creativity about what they might like to
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do by just having different people on there.
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And then when I speak to people, I like to give
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them First of all, the message that you are enough,
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you're important, and give them tools to increase
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their confidence, increase their feeling like,
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hey, they can do everything. And then that therapy
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part of me, especially if I'm working more with
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people independently, if there's something they
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want to master, everything has basic steps. And
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I don't have to be a master of golf to work with
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a golfer. I just teach them the basic steps of
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mastering something to help them get to their
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goal. So I like to speak about finding your purpose,
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high performance, and just being the best version
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of yourself. Well, that's important because sometimes
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people can't see it for themselves. You know,
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they need to be guided. Okay, so you talked about
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your book, Visualizing Happiness in Every Area
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of Your Life, and what inspired you to write
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it, and why should someone pick it up? Thank
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you for asking that. It's a while ago now. I
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had a colleague who was a neurochiropractor that
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sometimes when I had really hard cases, I would
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enlist him and say, hey, I need help with this
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person because they have so much going on. And
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he was brilliant. I mean, when he was speaking
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and he spoke fast, half the time I couldn't keep
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up with him. And I was trained in brain stuff,
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but he was like super trained in it and just
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knew so much. And one day, one of our patients
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that we shared came in. And they said, do you
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know that he died a couple weeks ago? I was like,
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what? And he was in his late 50s. And I thought
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to myself. He died with all the brilliance inside
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him. He hadn't written a book. He hadn't written
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it down. And all his experience, all his information
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that he found or that he researched or that he
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learned was gone now. just gone because he wasn't
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here anymore. And I'm like, I don't want that
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to happen to me. I want to find a way to share
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my experience, my knowledge that I've learned
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over these, the time is 20 something years, and
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share it with people. When I leave this earth,
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I want to leave empty. I don't want to leave
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with all my knowledge inside me. So I asked somebody,
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well, what do you do to disseminate information
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to a lot of people? And they said, well, You
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write a book and you become a speaker. So that's
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what I did. And I thought about what would I
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want to write a book about? Because my background
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is about really living the best life and mastering
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and becoming your best self. I thought, what
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better than finding happiness in every area of
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your life? So that's why I wrote the book. The
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reason someone might want to pick up this book
00:26:55.700 --> 00:26:59.730
is. It's a step -by -step guide to creating a
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life you love. So a lot of research on happiness,
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like how to be happy. And then at the end of
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every chapter, I have questions. So like at the
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end of the chapter says, who am I? Then there's
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questions you can answer. And you want to write
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down these questions or type them, whatever your
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preference is. But you want to write them down
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as you go through the book. So it's kind of like
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a book with information, but a workbook. And
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as you write down the answers, you get to know
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yourself a little bit better. And then at the
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end of the book, you put it all together by actually
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putting it on your calendar. What is it I like?
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What's important to me? Who do I want to spend
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time with? What are my values? And then we put
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it all together actually on a calendar. And I
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tell people, you should kind of assess yourself
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about every quarter because things change and
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what's important to you during that season might
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be different. So that's one reason. Another reason
00:28:00.500 --> 00:28:03.039
is there's stories from different people, just
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like on my podcast, stories from different people
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about how they found happiness. So that's also
00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:09.279
in the book. The other thing is, you see, it's
00:28:09.279 --> 00:28:11.920
a nice little book. I'm a big time reader, but
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I like little books that are easy to read. So
00:28:13.819 --> 00:28:15.740
it's very easy to read. See, there's a lot of
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white space. And it's one that you can go through
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and actually complete it. Because, you know,
00:28:25.140 --> 00:28:27.799
what's the sense of a book if you read it and
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don't remember it or you never complete it? So
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it's easy. I tell people even a 9, 10, 11 -year
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-old kid could read this and get something out
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of it. You've designed it for all ages is what
00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:43.119
you're saying. Yeah. Well, that's good to know.
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It's not too complicated then. Right, right.
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And that's the whole idea of it. It's not like
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a school assignment. It's like, oh, I'm spending
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this few minutes to read this one chapter and
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then answer the questions to learn about me.
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Because how do we know what we want if we don't
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know ourselves? So it's to help you get to know
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yourself. Yeah, well, that's great. And you're
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also writing another book, right? Actually, I'm
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doing the second edition of this one right now,
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so I'm just adding to it because there's some
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things after I had written this, and this one
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took me a while because it was my first real
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book, if you will. It took me a while and I kept
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changing and morphing it. But there's more things
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I want to add to the book. So I'm actually going
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to re -release the second edition of it. So it'll
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still be in that same format with the workbook
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and everything. It's just there's some additional
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things I want to add to it. So if somebody bought
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the second book, does that mean they don't have
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to have the first book is what you're saying?
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Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It's just, yeah, we all learn
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and think, oh, I should have put this in. I should
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have put that in. So your podcast, The Incredible
00:29:56.099 --> 00:29:59.299
Life, must be very inspiring for you to meet
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all these different people. And what highlights
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do you have from doing that show? Do you have
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any? Yes. So first of all, deeply in my heart,
00:30:11.059 --> 00:30:14.789
I feel like. Every single person on the planet
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is here for a reason, for a purpose. And some
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people are going to do things that everyone sees,
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but everybody has a purpose. Even the grandmother
00:30:26.730 --> 00:30:30.029
who is now 88 in a wheelchair, she still has
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a purpose. Her purpose might be to hug her grandkids.
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So we all have a reason for being here. As long
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as we're breathing, we're here, we have a reason
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to be here. And sometimes... Our purpose at one
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season is different than a purpose at another
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season. And so I love having people from all
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different walks of life on the podcast. One,
00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:54.200
because I think everyone's story is valuable.
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You don't have to be a famous person or be in
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the spotlight all the time. I think of a mom
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of five came on and said, you know, this is how
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I be a good mom. That's valuable. So I think
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everyone has something to share. And it's really
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important that you not only find your purpose
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and do it and master it and be the best you can
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at what you're supposed to be doing here, but
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also that you share your gifts with people. Because
00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:27.319
what's the point? If you don't share your gifts,
00:31:27.380 --> 00:31:31.460
there's a hole. We all lose. The rest of society
00:31:31.460 --> 00:31:33.980
loses when someone doesn't share their gift.
00:31:34.339 --> 00:31:39.299
Oh, definitely. learns from their life experiences
00:31:39.299 --> 00:31:41.819
you don't share what you've learned it's just
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like someone when they start out they're starting
00:31:43.980 --> 00:31:48.960
from zero with nobody to learn from yeah so that's
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:53.500
great how can people connect with you you can
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connect with me on Facebook or on LinkedIn I
00:31:56.500 --> 00:32:00.619
also have a link tree which has all my links
00:32:00.619 --> 00:32:03.599
on it I don't have a I'll put it at the end your
00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:06.859
link tree yeah But the first one, if you actually
00:32:06.859 --> 00:32:09.380
wanted to connect with me, the first one is a
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15 -minute connection call. So you can always
00:32:12.180 --> 00:32:14.680
sign up for that and we'll have a conversation.
00:32:15.019 --> 00:32:17.119
Other than that, my links are just all on my
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:19.059
link tree. Anything you want to see that I'm
00:32:19.059 --> 00:32:22.400
doing, I'm a very eclectic person. Just like
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:24.339
my book, Visualizing Happiness in Every Area
00:32:24.339 --> 00:32:27.119
of Your Life, on my link tree I have things from
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:30.859
financial stuff to brain stuff to supplements.
00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:35.400
to, you know, vision therapy stuff. So whatever
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:40.039
it is you're interested in. Yeah. Yeah. Well,
00:32:40.140 --> 00:32:42.079
that's good. Yeah, because I did look at your
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:45.420
link tree. I thought, wow, that's a good idea,
00:32:45.500 --> 00:32:48.960
I thought. And on your podcast, you also incorporate,
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:51.539
you don't just talk to other people. You have
00:32:51.539 --> 00:32:55.660
information about optometry things, right? I
00:32:55.660 --> 00:32:58.200
mostly am interviewing other people right now.
00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:02.410
I have thought about doing that. a lot recently.
00:33:02.769 --> 00:33:05.529
I did see one. You have a YouTube video on the
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meibomian gland dysfunction and dry eye relief.
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I thought that was a good one. I did that for
00:33:11.930 --> 00:33:15.730
my patients, actually. And one of the reasons
00:33:15.730 --> 00:33:19.190
I did that is when I have someone in the chair
00:33:19.190 --> 00:33:21.410
and they have dry eyes, and this was for a particular
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thing called meibomian gland dysfunction, which
00:33:24.109 --> 00:33:26.849
is a certain kind of dry eye, but there's a procedure
00:33:26.849 --> 00:33:29.720
that I have them go through. And there's so many
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people where I live in Georgia and United States
00:33:32.339 --> 00:33:35.359
that have dry eye because of allergies or being
00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:39.619
on computers and things like that, that I tell
00:33:39.619 --> 00:33:42.480
people this procedure all day long when I'm seeing
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:46.150
patients. And a lot of times they forget or whatever.
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So what I do is I go through it briefly with
00:33:49.630 --> 00:33:52.049
them in the room, but then I give them the video.
00:33:52.130 --> 00:33:55.170
That saves me chair time. That gives them a video
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that they can watch it again and again if they
00:33:57.849 --> 00:34:00.869
need to. Yeah. So that's the reason for that.
00:34:01.789 --> 00:34:04.990
It's not part of the podcast. I just put it up
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to help my patients or anybody who has dry eyes.
00:34:07.869 --> 00:34:10.789
I thought it was quite informative. Is there
00:34:10.789 --> 00:34:14.280
anything else you want to say? Like you want
00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:16.800
to share and you can just be open with what you
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:20.039
want to say. Yeah. Well, first of all, thank
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:23.500
you for letting me be on the podcast today. And
00:34:23.500 --> 00:34:28.460
we met because you are a very famous Brains Magazine
00:34:28.460 --> 00:34:33.940
contributor. Amazing articles that you write.
00:34:34.059 --> 00:34:37.440
And I just started as a Brains Magazine contributor.
00:34:38.099 --> 00:34:41.820
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, no, no. Yeah, I've read some
00:34:41.820 --> 00:34:46.630
of yours too. And that's how I even contacted
00:34:46.630 --> 00:34:49.010
you. I'm like, I have to have her on my podcast.
00:34:51.090 --> 00:34:54.630
Well, thank you. I enjoy, like you, that's my
00:34:54.630 --> 00:34:57.389
way of leaving my legacy is giving this information.
00:34:57.750 --> 00:35:00.650
Thank you for being so kind. I really enjoyed
00:35:00.650 --> 00:35:03.969
talking to Kimberly and it was nice that we could
00:35:03.969 --> 00:35:06.809
share this time together. And hopefully we'll
00:35:06.809 --> 00:35:09.730
get to talk another day. That would be great.
00:35:09.909 --> 00:35:12.900
Thank you so much, Ida. Thank you for tuning
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