Shake Them Ropes. Back At It

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[SPEAKER_02]: Answering your grave.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're a chic rider.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Shake them ropes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The first episode of 2026, and if it's not, do not correct me Jeff.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because I'm going with the first episode of 2026, Jeff Hawkins is here, Rob McHarrison is here.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We are gonna go heavy, heavy, heavy in our preview for next week's AMC debut of TNA Impact.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it would take something.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, with no Jake something.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's talk about let's talk about the newest signing to AEW.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, there's two really and maybe more to come.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But Jake Doyle debuted last night on Dynamites.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So glad I am.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure that Jack, not Jack Doyle.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This is gonna be what's hard for me, Jeff.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, as an Indianapolis cults viewer, we used to have a guy, a tight-end name, Jack Doyle.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, and this was Andrew Lux, baby.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This was Andrew Lux, favorite target, luck to Doyle, Jack Doyle, and now I have to talk about Jake Doyle and it's gonna be very hard that I don't call him Jack at least 15 times in this episode.
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[SPEAKER_04]: because I'm just I'm just going back to my mid-2010s Indianapolis Colts days, but Jake Doyle, the former Jake something from TNA in multiple other places, is in a W and of course, on Drawdale, Edelo has debuted for literally the fifth time in the last four years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They should call him something, Jake Doyle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then Rename Mark Davis like Mark also something or something, they look like twins.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, I just do that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, no, I mean, it's, I don't know if it's perfect that they're teaming or if it's terrible that they're teaming because they do look very much alike.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They have very similar body types, very similar facial, facial hair and facial feet.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They're very similar.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I am all about.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Much more than when Alexander debuted, much more than some of these other debuts that have happened.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I actually think Jake Doyle in the next three years could be a big, big piece in WWE.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I do, I actually do.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I can't even promise that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I don't, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So here's the thing, I'm, I'm getting admit.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know a lot about Jake Doyle the former something.
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[SPEAKER_04]: other than the fact that that name was terrible, and I'm so glad it's not the same.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Jake something?
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was just absolutely ridiculous.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm glad they didn't keep that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, thankfully Tony Khan sometimes is a little ridiculous, but even he was like, this is too much for me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, Jake Doyle is here, but just look alone, the intensity.
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[SPEAKER_04]: uh... this guy that can go in there and uh... you know everything that they gave to rusev and all the main events and different things that rusev was in when he was in a w as murrow i think uh... i think jake doil can uh... can take that to the next level in that similar type of role uh... as long as he gets away at some point from this don calis family because no one's going to get over in this family and they're trying their damnedest to make sure to catch the continues to not get over
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[SPEAKER_02]: Speaking of which we went on a bit of a mini break which is kind of first in the history of this show because usually I Like I'd usually like record stuff to release during the holidays or whatever I cannot answer it was like 600 straight episodes a week we had done and then we broke the street.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, couple weeks
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[SPEAKER_02]: But while we were gone, I think everybody kind of lost their minds in the front offices of wrestling things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is where this comes because it starts with via hail in NXT, in it, inadvertently winning the North American women's title there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We get what a fever dream that was, huh?
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[SPEAKER_02]: We go to World's End.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And instead of telling any interesting story with any of the three members of the Calis family, which is where I get on to that, because any three of those who win are a far more interesting story than us absolutely retconning the John Moxley story into the Grinch who now loves AEW and his heart grew three sizes that day after winning the Continental Classic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and then within the main roster we have all sorts of
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[SPEAKER_02]: title changes and whatnot as if everybody was like cramming for a test and we forgot what the end point was We're doing random just we have like Oprah Femi beat Ricky Saints for the title two weeks ago And now he just leaves in the middle of the ring at the end of NXT it ends with that But we we've changed all of our midcard women's titles in WWE We've knocked out Stephanie Vaker kind of for an injury angle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We've changed the tag titles on raw
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[SPEAKER_02]: belt on smack down what does it feel like people are just going oh we just have to do stuff to do stuff or does this actually just
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[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like we've all kind of gone, oh man, forgot to do this, and now it's rumble season, or in AEW's case, eh, I know this doesn't make sense, but you know what?
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[SPEAKER_02]: This feels like a John Moxley redemption story after he said the loss of his title didn't matter, and all these other things, it's ridiculous.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of ridiculousness going on, Rob, is what I'm trying to say here.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's more ridiculous.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Even though there's more title changes on the WWE side, it is more ridiculous on the AEW side because yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: John Moxley, obviously this is a baby face turn and he's gonna be the hero he's getting the crowd cheering.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This is actually the most excited I've been about to John Moxley program in a while is it looks like they're actually, they're using him to what the crowd wants John Moxley to be used for.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like this is their hero.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This is the guy that came in from basically day one.
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[SPEAKER_04]: and is the top guy in that company and they want him to be the top guy in that company and he can be in a lot of different ways.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So the crowd's been waiting for this version of John Moxley.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not going to say anything bad about what's going on with this current John Moxley other than every week, just coming out and basically doing open challenges for the chance to get this continental championship, which should not exist and as ridiculous that there's so many men's friendships.
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[SPEAKER_04]: what they've been waiting for this for a year and a half two years because the last year of John Moxley and AEW has been terrible.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm glad they're getting away from that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's why I'm going to be positive there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But on the, on the WWE side, I mean, you got to take away the Blake Monroe title loss because Blake Monroe wasn't supposed to have that title loss, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: The Yale wins it and then they got to be positioned because they, they don't have long term plans for the Yale to be the women's singles champion right now and they want to go a different direction.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe she'll stay in the mix, maybe she'll be, no, they just hot shot it to, is he name on Tuesday?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, well, this is the title now that doesn't have a firm direction, because Blake Monroe lost it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Now she's going to come up to the main roster amongst many other NXT stars.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It seems coming up very soon in the next.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: As you're repositioning the SmackDown go to three hours repositioning all these rosters heading into WrestleMania, getting some of these folks some TV time before they're going to be, you know,
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[SPEAKER_04]: basically put into top programs after WrestleMania when you have some of the irregular is going away.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't count the, I mean, Becky Lynch, this is not just hey, what do we do?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's do some title changes to do some title changes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This was a clear plan.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They wanted to get Maxine over as someone who's legit Becky Lynch wanted to have a little bit of adversity there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Now she has her title back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And now a real challenger comes along, which I think everyone assumes is going to be AJ Lee heading in to WrestleMania.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So those two are not just throwing something to the wall and seeing what sticks.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The tag team titles, if you're going to put the usos back, you might as well have an actual tag team in the usos be the tag team champions.
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[SPEAKER_04]: AJ Styles is moving along to his singles program with Gunther, and maybe a singles run the rest of the year, so get the tag team titles off of him, Usos New Day, maybe there's something going on with there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, that's not a title win to just change the title, that's positioning going into WrestleMania with Usos.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so so basically it's just me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: seeing all these things happening if you're just a coincidence.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm really not trying to be a Combrungeon here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just one of those things when I'm just like, wow, they're doing a lot right now And it feels like it was almost like, oh, we put all this on the backboard and now we got to do them all of a sudden
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, it just get everything positioned into WrestleMania now that the dust has settled over John scene as last match John scene has gone get everyone positioned to where they need to be heading in here because you're about to get Roman back, you're about to get Brock back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: uh... you're about to get there still some unsettledness in the main title pictures heading into WrestleMania right now they got three months to uh... to show us kind of what the card for WrestleMania is going to be i think a lot of people assume it's going to be like a cm punk roman maybe uh... maybe a coty and gunther maybe a co-at where do you where do you kind of see coty going on because he's in this program with your mac and tyra right now they just finished the three stages of hell or they have the three-chit stages of hell coming up
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Is Cody go in the Roman Reigns route?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Is he going the Brock Lesnar route?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Is he going the Gunther route?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Is he going to the Obafemi route as Obafemi comes along after departing with the NXT Championship?
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[SPEAKER_04]: So where does Cody Rhodes go from here?
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's a lot of unanswered questions, and it really can shake up here as we head into Roar Rumble.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like Roman to me again, and I think Roman three, huh?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't, I mean, unless Roman and less Roman wins it before then, and it becomes, I mean, who else would you put it on at this?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, who else would you put in there with him?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because Drew is the hottest program for Cody because they talk a lot, but they're doing three stages of help.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, well, I think, and I don't see Drew McIntyre winning the championship right going into a WrestleMania.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe maybe Cody wins it back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's still an elimination chamber happening in Canada.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's still other events Saturday night.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's made of that before WrestleMania.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So we can in theory lose it and then win it back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I do see Cody Rhodes defending the WWE championship at WrestleMania.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I see CM Punk defending the championship at WrestleMania.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think CM Punk Roman Reigns is a very interesting way to go.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Especially Seth Rollins, if he comes back before Mania, he's probably going after Braun Breaker.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I would assume.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Cody is interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just trying to figure out a way to get there, but you can.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm also just, this is an aside.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That entire women's division.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All of the main players are kind of it's a mystery to be honest with you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Where they go, except for Bianca and Jade, I think.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the only thing really set in stone because you have EO and Rhea as the tag champs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You have Charlotte and Alexa kind of in that periphery.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You have Lyra Bailey and Oscar and the people you could use there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: in there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you have whatever they're going to do with, I mean, Becky and AJ seem set in stone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like an AJ.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And honestly, Becky and AJ is probably your premier singles women's match at WrestleMania.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think live is, I mean, live is in the upper tier too in terms of what's going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to go after Stephanie Vicarre, like that's your that's your upcoming program.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You have live in Stephanie Vicarre, you have Jade and Bianca Belair.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But that we talked about this a few weeks ago is that the tag team division on the
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[SPEAKER_04]: is the premier women's program right now, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and then the Kabuki Warriors so are they going to go back and forth for the next several months, we it's yeah you had the title change.
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[SPEAKER_02]: basically a few months in the making and then we're just going to hold off that feud for that final win till next year than probably right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because honestly, the the January fifth netflix raw was built up like a paper view was built up like a premium live event and they still have a month before Royal Rumble, you have the Saturday Night's main event, which I don't think we have any matches on Saturday Night's main event yet as if yet, but
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[SPEAKER_04]: maybe a CM pun title defense on that show.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's there's a lot of different ways you can go.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe there's no title defense on that show outside of maybe the United States championship or the Intercontinental championship and no world title match on that one.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah you have a lot of we have a lot of events here before WrestleMania.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's a lot of different that you're going to have over Femi come up.
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[SPEAKER_04]: uh... you're going to have trick Williams now in the main picture javon heavens Blakeman row uh... low of ice jacigane a few other uh... names uh... that are on the way up jordan grace there's a lot of different uh... variables that could be happening here as we head into raw rumble uh... but the raw rumbles going to feel like nx t versus wl over again right because in each of these matches were probably gonna have at least five nx tears on both women's and men's side probably uh...
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[SPEAKER_04]: Are you are you height for the wrong rumble up this month because January gets me all the time.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, oh, it's raw a rumble month.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's my favorite paper view.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's my favorite PLA, but just something seems a little bit weird with this one with it being not just outside of the United States, but it's also going to be on at what one or two in the afternoon.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because it's out there in Saudi Arabia, it's, it's going to feel like a weird one for me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't feel like this is the kickoff to WrestleMania this year.
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[SPEAKER_04]: How are you feeling so far as we're a few, a few weeks out still for more humble?
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're a few weeks out, but I get the feeling we're going to know who's winning both.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you think so.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this feels like one of those things where they tip their hand a little bit, okay, going in and it's not going to be a huge shock and you're going to go, oh, okay, yeah, like I could see drew winning that three stages of hell match and then Cody winning the rumble really good, okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it all depends too if maybe Roman Reigns is in the title match at Roy Rumble.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That too.
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[SPEAKER_04]: CM Punk versus Roman Reigns at the show because you know you're going to get a big one.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I can also see CM Punk Logan Paul possibly happening there at the Royal Rumble.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't because I as even though Paul just signed a full-time deal, I think he's already kind of ascended to that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: World title match and I don't see them putting him in there again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I could see him like in one like these multi person matches with the vision or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or has he teased at, uh, was it Saturday night's main event or one of these other, I figured which one it was, maybe it was the paper view, the Brock Lesnar Logan Paul below off finally.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it was after war games, that's what's what it was where, where Logan was saying how he saved Brock Lesnar.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I could see that being a match at Mania.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, yeah, whatever they do with the vision if the vision is still going to be involved with Brock like you're just banking on the what is Paul Heyman thinking right kind of angle right and I don't I don't think we need to do that anymore with Brock Lesnar.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We've done it the last couple of shows that Brock has been on it's like what what positioning does he have with Paul Heyman.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe, maybe let's just focus on Brock and not so much as his bromance with Paul.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just Seth get back in time for Mania or the band time for Mania to do something.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if he's going to wrestle on the show, but I do think it gets back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He was there at Raw.
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[SPEAKER_04]: uh... in new york this is and the other question is is Austin theory improving his position within this stable or is it still just all brown and logan for the most part the only way Austin theory gets a match at WrestleMania is if it is going to be like a trio's match yeah that's what i think it's the only way it's on it because at this point you can't put Austin theory out there in a singles match and expect anyone to care uh... i'm i'm a little baffled by this presentation to be honest with you
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know why if you were going to, I don't know if they're rehabbing us in theory or they're just trying to get him involved with Paul Hayman and some of these guys to maybe spark something in him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't tell you if you're that's exactly it to me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It has to be because the other thing doesn't make sense because why would you put him in a group of three other individuals who are much more hyped than he is who are breaking out.
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[SPEAKER_04]: and expect him to go in there and be like, okay, we're really strapping the rocket to you now, Austin Theory with this repackage.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We're going to put you behind Braun Breaker and Logan Paul.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's just it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was probably pitched like a dangerous alliance where there is no real weakness.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're a stable type of a thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But in WWE, there's always the hierarchy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And you can always always a hierarchy in these groups, which is one of the interesting things when Seth Rollins was the leader of this because the, I mean, Braun Breaker was was already on that apex to try and get up there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, they eventually had to do it because of the injury.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Braun Breaker, you know, taking out Seth Rollins, but, uh,
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, brown breaker had a really good strong performance there on rod and yeah, I thought that match was was pretty good and brown breaker at times really felt like he might take it out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think see, I'm punk may have been the weak link in that match a little bit, but that's the important age.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The score you see on punk in wrestling is that he's the weaker man in the ring always.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, there's no, I'm not less he's facing the right back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's no one that he's getting in the ring with where he's the better wrestler.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's that's true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I still enjoy his man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I enjoy his matches for that though.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I just did.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't think there's been a match since he came back to WWE that I have not been excited for and also thought was excellent television.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's him aging into the slightly, slightly not as athletic as he possibly thinks role.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's got to be sloppy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but he grits it out.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He finds ways to go in there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But no, I thought the performance was good.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I thought C. And punk was fine.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I thought that whole role was really good to be honest with you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: See, a punk one day is going to make an excellent Mickey Rork character in the wrestler where he just, I mean, he's, he's going to be 50 years old and he looks like he's 65 and this is the one last run and he's gray hair.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's got the, you know, he's not very groomed in the facts under his eyes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The past always.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Eyes are back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the backs into the eyes make him look 10 years old there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he's got, he's got a lot of different interesting characters.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He can run up as he gets a little slower, slower than
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[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, nothing, nothing against the impung, but yeah, the wrestling wise, it's always the fun gimmick when he's like the best in the world because it is not in ring.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That is for sure.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And never has been, it's never been the biggest part of his game.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Never been.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, his mouth has been what's gotten him through and it's, and he's awesome at that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Where they go when I know you're a big fan of Aunt Pam and they got Bailey and Lyra doing this tag team division.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They've gone away from the skits of for any of stuff, you know, Bailey still has her anger issues and turns on a dime, but it's not
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's controlled by Lyra, though.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Lyra is the one who knows I need you to get angry, and it's almost a manipulative thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But this entire thing, it was interesting because I thought eventually they'd break, like, I could just see Charlotte in a singles match, but I don't think they should.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's going to be one of these multi-team things that continues.
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[SPEAKER_04]: because they absolutely have right now with Lyra and Bailey more so Bailey is she can be a heel one week and a baby face the next yeah it's all it's kind of all part of the story too it's you know just put her out there and she'll figure it out it we're not worried about the crowd cheering her bowing her anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah that team is on the lowest wrong of this women's I mean they are they are the 16 in the 16 division because Lash and Nayar still kind of above
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[SPEAKER_04]: to the main roster there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, we got a lot of a lot of new talents coming in, which sometimes we see this after WrestleMania, not leading up to WrestleMania.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I think this year makes WWE going forward a little bit different than usual because we're going to see how these new talents integrate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, question on one of them because it's it's it's intriguing to me in a
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[SPEAKER_02]: Once she signed and went to NXT, she got lost, what's going to happen on the main roster is it going to be more of the same is she just going to be, you know, in there to take to eat losses over and over and over again on smash the new meeting or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I hope not, because I think that's a fresh face that's like, yeah, let's put her in there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We're going to see where they slot her.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't expect anything huge for the next three months.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't see a Jordan Grace program going into WrestleMania.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Now, do they do something with Jade Cargo?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, you know, play off of the fact that both of them are muscle freaks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like they may run, but if it blanks going up, they may run back the Blake Jordan feud, just to give them something to do.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Which I wouldn't necessarily do that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I wouldn't bring.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to do there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This is like, uh, no one will get those reference, but this is like Jimmy Jacobs, Alex Shelly back in the day where they were, okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They were, they were going up against each other on the Indies, but no one song because they were all lower level Indies and then their first match in our
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[SPEAKER_04]: against each other why not because this is a match that people have seen and it's like is that we're going to do a Blake Monroe and Jordan Grace where it's like yeah these two have wrestled many times in many places and here they are wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I wouldn't necessarily do that, but I also don't know Blake Monroe is one that if she comes up to the main roster, she's probably not going to have a program for the first two months, I think you have to introduce what her character is all about.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She'll be huge with the video.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think she's in everything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think she's one of all the talents coming up.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think she has the most potential to be big and probably getting out of NXT is a godsend for her.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I would agree.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I think guys will latch on to her really quick.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So if we get to my tabs here,
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[SPEAKER_04]: OK, basically, I have a whole bunch of tabs.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The first one I opened up, Mustafa Ali, most of Ali resigns with TNA wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So he's going to be in TNA for a good amount of time.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He was actually one of those that I was, I was interested to see if WWE might come calling to get him back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: TNA relationship going on with the fact he's made a couple of appearances.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And with the fact that yeah, he's done really good on the end.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's ever since leaving WWE and you have to replenish NXT like what's the CW show going to look like when you have half of your roster that just left.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So most of all he back in TNA.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's the right call for him though.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Unless AEW was going to recite, it was going to sign him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And which was the rumor when he was first cut was at Tony Khan.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Was going to, was really high on the stuff on the lead.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The problem with going back to a place that I already fired you is, unless they're going to automatically reposition you higher than you were, there's no real use in taking you back there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he could be one of the, he could be one of those guys in this partnership if he feels like doing this, where he comes in and is consistently on NXT as a heal who's in TNA, you know what I'm saying because it's one of those things where like I know they had plans for him when he was originally released, but short of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would kind of use that bitterness a little bit if we're going to rebuild into a TNA A W type or not A W TNA NXT type of situation where he's like he's the one guy you've got to keep his name when he left too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like I really like Mr. Vali.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's good for those.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's great with those Carmelo Hayes types, you know, the Leon slaters, the the small.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we saw that with Buddy, Buddy Murphy, Buddy Matthews, whatever you want to call them all the time on that under appreciate 205 live show.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I love this character and I love his stable right now in T and A. I think he's where he needs to be to be honest with you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and of course, TNA is in that position where they are starting to deal with AMC and you need, you need somebody talents, you need positive talents going into a relationship like that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So yes, most of a Ali back in TNA going forward, I saw a lot of people commenting with all these call ups that are happening.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Why did they forget about Ethan Page?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Why did they forget about Ricky Saints?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Why aren't those two headed up to the main roster?
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[SPEAKER_04]: And Ethan Page screams to me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We've talked about this with Talon's before.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Ethan Page screams to me that they signed him to be an NXT LIFEAR.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like the only chance he's going to roar smack down is if something clicks that they are not expecting and that maybe doesn't even get written, but I see Ethan Page being a LIFEAR in NXT.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's there to be a solid guy on the CW network.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Ethan Page is going to be in WWE, probably for 10 to 15 more years because he is so good in terms of personality and stuff like that, that you don't need to rush him to that, you can do vignettes with Chelsea Dream in that room.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, if he's at NXT until he's 50 years old, you wouldn't be rushing him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, you want, but I mean, he's not just an NXT anchor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's also there to help anchor the AAA stuff with the mixed tag thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he can be, or am I, yeah, it was AAA, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not the amount of, yeah, okay, yeah, doing that whole game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like him and Chelsea Green are absolute money.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you, that's an act you don't want to necessarily overexpose over and over again, either.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's, look, if he's getting paid and they throw more money at him to be the anchor of NXT, he will survive anywhere because he has the gift of gab.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He has nice size, and he can wrestle well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is, he's, he, he is the king of his domain.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's put it that way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just I don't see him being a guy that people are going to pay money to see no no he's going to be he's going to be that kind of midcard heel always it's not going to be Perfectly fine to perfectly fine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He can replace the miss if they ever get rid of the mid and and Ricky Saints how hasn't
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[SPEAKER_04]: for lack of a better term developed enough like he's the same guy right now that he was when he started on television with WWE is the same guy was when he started on a television with AEW.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So build a little bit of dimension to the character there, build a little bit of dimension to what Ricky Sains can present in the main roster and also you got to have some guys to be called up later in the year.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Next drawer rumble season, next WrestleMania season, kid just
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think Ricky Saints has a lot of upper mobility on the main roster, mostly because of his size, and that's nothing against him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He can't necessarily help that, but it's one of those things, kind of like when you watched.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When you watched Adam Cole in the ring for the first time with MJF and you just go, wow, he's really small.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what's going to happen with Ricky Saints.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, MJF ain't the biggest guy in the world either.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, very well, could close the book on the TNA AMC premiere.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It is next week, January 15th, Mike Santana, Frankie Cazarian for the world title.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I got to figure that Santana's win in the belt that night.
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[SPEAKER_04]: uh... to really kick off this partnership saying tina winds back the world title and leon slater against miren read for the extivision championship so you got some title matches going up there uh... will you jeff hawkins be watching a mc's debut of tina wrestling probably not uh... but i might catch it on a replay maybe not alive though
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, maybe, maybe watch the moments on TikTok, Instagram reels.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You text formally to Twitter, YouTube.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I catch all the highlights of what's been going on, which honestly is the way that I've been consuming a lot of smackdown and a lot of NXT is just waiting for the clips to show up in shorts form and get through it that way.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Chris Jericho did not debut with WWE on Raw this week.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There were a lot of rumors swirling Adam Pierce knew exactly what he was doing when he, uh, when he kind of teased Chris Jericho and his raw preview saying who will break the walls down.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But we did not get Chris Jericho and as of this moment chat GPT gives Chris Jericho debuting in WWE this year only a 40% chance likelihood that it happens.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Jeff, Chris Jericho not showing up and raw.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Did it surprise you and you expect to see him this month in WWE?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't surprise me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, because you're a curmudgeon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, I mean,
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of those things where I expect him to show up, but I don't know when, and it's gonna be at a big moment, not necessarily the stranger things crossover at us.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's gonna be a very small moment.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think he debuts as the Luther.
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[SPEAKER_04]: to Mariah May, and he's the butler to be just doing a bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I may be doing it at the rumble.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Where are you talking about?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I would have, you've got to have some of those big moments.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's the Saudi Arabia Royal Rumble.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There are going to be, I honestly think there's ads go the chance that Goldberg is in this rumble.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and Chris get paid.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's money in it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Somebody's going to win.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's give Goldberg the second chance to end the career.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I do now expect John Cena.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I take John Cena as word he has done.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now here's the question.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Does Jericho have a new character or is he going to bring back one of his old incarnations?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like are we getting like light right jacket Jericho?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Are we getting
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, I anti-shagur Jericho, that he thought was anti-jigger.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think maybe a little bit now we haven't fully seen the Judas Christ Jericho in WWE.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Wood fans rock out to Judas like they were in a WWE, would they want to make that happen?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I get the pain maker, we're getting the pain maker, aren't we?
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[SPEAKER_04]: We better not get that, we're not getting the pain maker, that I don't, I can't believe for a guy that has
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[SPEAKER_04]: pretty good history.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, yes, how we ever thought that was good.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that he should keep doing that is ridiculous.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But no, the Y2J theme is so iconic that I think you have to stick with that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think you bring in a Christiano Fasi song.
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[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I find it very interesting if he debuts at the end of January in the rumble because he basically is going to take the entire month of February off because he's on tour overseas.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So like timing wise, I don't know if it works out perfectly.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then yeah, you see, is he going into the main event scene?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I can't see that right now because we talked about how many different directions they could go with see on punk and Cody Rhodes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Chris Jericho doesn't fit in any of those.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So when there would he fit there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, he could fit.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, we've talked about this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The Gunther storyline continues.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He is the new legend killer.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's going to happen with Randy Orton, like literally is going from AJ to maybe Jericho.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then at some point, he's got to go to Orton and Orton's to one.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Orton's the one who will beat Gunther to continue his reign in WWE.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because Gunther doesn't need to beat Randy Orton maybe right away, maybe at some point down the road.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But the legend killer gimmick for Gunther is in full tact, but I don't want to digress too far away from Chris Jericho.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's going to be a mix of previous Chris Jericho with maybe a new version of Chris Jericho.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I can see him being the business man, the lane kiffin of pro wrestling where he just goes to a higher paying job.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think there's a different ways that you can go with Chris Jericho as the savvy old business man who maybe only wrestles once every three months similar to what CM Punk has been doing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: possibility, give me a percentage here, that he read day views with Kevin Owens until I don't think we're seeing Kevin Owens on TV this year.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, if you're not going to be able to come back until WrestleMania, what is this one WrestleMania 42 this year, if you're not coming back to 43 at at the least and even that seems like a far stretch, I don't know why you'd bring him back on TV.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he's great television.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But what is he going to do commentary and a neck injury rehab, if you're WWE, you're not letting him stand at a ring.
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[SPEAKER_04]: True.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't care if he's going to be physical or not.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're not letting him stand at a ring during active rehab of a neck injury.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I don't expect to see him on TV outside of, you know, the in the crowd shots.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe an interview here there for some other program, maybe we haven't even talked about Sami Zayn because Sami Zayn beginning a Royal Rumble title match, those are the only things I see Kevin Owens doing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He is not coming back to be a partner with Chris Jericho on screen.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: At least not, at least not this year.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe he introduces Chris Jericho in some way.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Now, because then you're just going back to the list, probably everyone wants to want to see the list and I don't think bring back Chris Jericho to be
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[SPEAKER_04]: next really I really put you in your place there tonight.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I feel sussed.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was fired up.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You want to bring back K.O.
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[SPEAKER_04]: in list Christian.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, I don't want to bring back K.O.
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[SPEAKER_02]: in list and I don't want to bring back why to AJ with the one week shirts for baby.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I thought it was hilarious that a lot of the aggregators this week have gone with still in the Christian
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[SPEAKER_04]: by various radio voices.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I actually forget which interview I saw with him.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Was it, was it Ariel Hoani?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know who it was.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The Tony Con was asked about Chris Jericho.
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[SPEAKER_04]: About his Chris Jericho coming back to AEW.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We'd love to have him back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, you didn't even say that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He didn't say we'd love to have him back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He said, Chris Jericho's been a big part of AEW history and he'll always be a big part of AEW history.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So it was intimidating.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He was anticipating either that it's past tense.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Or Chris Jericho is always going to be with us.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like there's no in-between.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So either he has a 10 year contract or he has no contract.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's not like he has a year left, but he didn't say, yeah, he's coming back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He didn't say we'd love to have him back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He didn't say any of this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was strictly, you know, I love Chris Jericho, and it'll always be a big part of us.
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[SPEAKER_04]: and you can read that a number of different ways, but the question was not answered.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We won't know for sure until he shows up on a program.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The bad apple, Brian Keith is no more.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He is back to being the bounty hunter.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's no learning tree in AEW.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So there's a lot of mixed signals going in a lot of different directions, but you are thinking Chris Jericho at the Royal Rumble.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I am.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think I am, too.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think he's one of those that the Saudi Arabia Royal Rumble, Riyadh season, you're going to have a big name come back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're not going to debut everyone right before the Royal Rumble.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Kind of reminds me of when Triple H came back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: When Triple H came back from his big quad injury, and he became this big over baby face, leading up to the Christianico match at WrestleMania, is like they didn't bring him back at the Royal Rumble.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He debuted again a return a week or two before the Royal Rumble on RAW.
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[SPEAKER_04]: just to come talk about how he was coming back and make sure the crowd cheered him.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Kind of reminds me of what they're not going to do with Jericho.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He is not coming back early to talk about the role rumble.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, he's a big enough star and in terms of that Saudi audience, which always kind of loves the flashback guys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That'll get a monster pop and so we will.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And he's done this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's had matches in Saudi Arabia as part of WWE and had the big returns too.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so Chris Jericho, I expect him back as well.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You already talked about this a little bit, Logan Paul announced the other new contract.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He got to just meshed really well into being a full timer.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, this guy's been on TV every week for the last one or two months now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I didn't, it didn't even dawn on me till I saw this announcement that he had resigned.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That, like, oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This guy who had only been on TV for a few weeks, every three months or so has been on every week.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's a part of the vision.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's going to get a big match at WrestleMania most likely.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's probably going to be booked on the Royal Rumble.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Some singles matches come in his way and in preparation for this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, Logan Paul is huge now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, he looks like if he puts on just a few more pounds, he could look exactly like Brock Lesnar.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then I was thinking, Logan Paul at 50 years old, just bringing back the spirit of grizzled Brock Lesnar coming back here.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like Paul, you have 20 years to work towards that moment.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But Logan Paul is a full timer and live Morgan.
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[SPEAKER_04]: coming out saying that her time away from WWE because of injury, you know, she had the arrest within the last year.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She's had the injury issues that she had a really hard time mentally leading up to this return to WWE.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She's, she did an interview with Stephanie Man on her podcast recently.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The WWE podcasts.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What are your thoughts on the Cody Rhodes podcast, the Stephanie McMahon podcast where your thoughts on live Morgan tell in this story about her mental issues that she's been overcoming because a lot of people always think, you know, these physical injuries, it's four to six weeks.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They got to come back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's like there's a lot of toll it takes when someone's on the road weekend and week out and then suddenly is just home with nothing to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and there's a lot of show business stuff where it's like, do I come back and I'm going to be the same star I was before I left to be the same athlete did Roxanne straight up take my job.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the uh, the wally pip thing with Lou Gehring, you know, um,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, let me backtrack real quick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll get to your question.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was in Paul.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I asked Logan Paul's questions.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Logan Paul is like top two or three heel for me in wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love that dude.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Terrible human being.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Great heel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Great heel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The WWE podcast in and of themselves.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I find the Stephanie one worthless to be honest with you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I find it very controlled and whatnot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I actually, the parts, I don't listen to any of them fully, but the Cody one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: is the one I like the most because they seem to be able to just get away from heavily controlled talking points and talk like real actual human beings at times and they act, you know, they show a little ass here and there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They say things that they really think at times.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The clips I've seen from it, it's the most enjoyable to me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, it's the most clip worthy too.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like yes, definitely seeing the most clips from that one.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're not seeing as many from the Undertaker podcast as much of these days.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're not seeing as many from the Stephanie podcast.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think they all have a place like if you want to get somewhat intimate conversations about like live Morgan for example if you want to hear about the injury and some of the softer side of you know what it really takes to come back and the more a depth side of what it takes to come back is like Stephanie McMahon seems like they want to be able to ask that more than a Cody Rhodes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the Stephanie one is entirely dependent on the guest and how guarded they are about actually sharing
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[SPEAKER_02]: as opposed to just, you know, the straight up, oh yeah, this was always my dream and, you know, just moving on from there because, you know, there's nothing really to talk about there, but Cody's Cody's also involves alcohol, which also makes it a lot more fun at times.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I tell you what, the Kevin Owens won with all the clips that were generated from Kevin Owens being on the Cody Rhodes podcast.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's where we got the hilarious story about Matt Cardona or the hilarious clip, you know, for a guy who loves being on the Indies.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He sure does talk about coming back to WWE.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Matt Cardona has also returned since we last spoke.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Matt Cardona is now on the SmackDown roster.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think the podcasts have a place.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They are definitely controlling the superstars' time.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If you are going to go do a podcast, some of them squeak through and get the Chris Van Vleet in the, you know, some of the third party.
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[SPEAKER_04]: shows that are out there, but most of them, you're appearing on one of three shows.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're appearing on Stephanie, Undertaker, or Cody when we want to get your story out there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I liked the way they did the Zach Ryder to Matt Cardona thing, much like the Prince Devitt Defin Baller in NXT, although I believe it was, it was a Cory, it was like, wasn't he just Zach Ryder last week?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you're just like, oh, come on, man, don't do that to us.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, do you think they should have reverted back to Zach Rider permanently or do more people know them as Cardona you think I don't that's the thing for me more people do not think of him as Matt Cardona yeah Zach Rider is the bigger thing but if you want to present him differently if this is a guy that's going to be in the US title picture taken seriously then yeah have them come back presented in a different way and include the Mac Cardona name
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, instead of being the woo, woo guy, you actually are serious, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: But that's the issue that might come up, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Is Matt Cardona going to present himself more like Zach right or did, or is he going to present himself as Matt Cardona?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Way he has on the Indies.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's a little bit up to him how he presents himself.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We didn't get an answer to that in the first match.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We'll have to see how we can in a week out this goes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, he got the win.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, facing off again, against kit there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, uh, is he going to get a US title?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Is he going to go in the US title picture immediately?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Is he going to be in any type of picture?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Smack down being at three hours, kind of leaves opportunities there a little bit open.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I can also see Matt Cardona facing off against one of these new NXT callups coming up as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it seems to be the kind of guy you can feed to trick Williams.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll be fine.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, sure.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And people will take trick Williams more seriously, because I think Matt Cardone has a little bit of edge to coming up here.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We have some breaking news going back to the TNA wrestling debut on AMC breaking news.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We have a celebrity appearance that has been confirmed.
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[SPEAKER_04]: for the debut episode.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Now, honestly, I thought this person was not with us anymore.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm surprised we had to get things out.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I honestly, I have not heard this name in what a decade.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I thought they were not alonger with us.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Perez Hilton is going to appear on TNA impacts AMC debut.
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[SPEAKER_04]: First reaction Jeff is you sigh and put your head in your hand.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're calling that a celebrity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What else would it be?
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It comes one of those things where we do fair play.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I guess you're actually right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's one of those things where it's like, You know, when we start to get into like double-digit seasons of blank with the stars and the stars seem to be more and more less famous.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Perez Hilton former gossip-mongering internet guy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I could see being an on-screen character would uh I'm wondering if Perez helped and would even be big enough to be on dancing with the stars now I mean yeah like right yes if you you would put them on dancing with the stars and say it would make personally I wouldn't put them anywhere but if you're saying does he have enough star power given the number of faded people they've put on this show as we as we start to get long in the tooth yes yeah
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[SPEAKER_04]: Looks like if you're a big fan of Laila Gray, I mean, this is news from when we kind of did our last show, she is going to be out for a year with a torrential new that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so it looks like we have a replacement for her in the ROH stable with Christopher Daniels, Zeta steel now I do not know where Zeta steel is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I vaguely do, but I do have a soft spot for Leila Gregg, because she came out here to LA and trained in the New Japan Dojo when nobody was watching.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And she does the bodybuilding thing too, which she'll still be able to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But she was one of those people who got a few chances and then started to grind, even she was in Ohio Valley at the same time, she was working in AEW.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, she's one of those people who's like, I'll work anywhere to get better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Send me out there Tony and as opposed to some people who just have the one contract.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, I hope she can come back But they just steal from what I've seen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't seen that much of her, but you know, she's pretty good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, that's cool with me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This stable is death, though So if you have her wage kind of death right now
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the ROH people, yes, ROH is on its own island, and then when they bring them to AEW, you know, red shirts from Star Trek.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what they are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't I don't think you're a white crystal or Daniels.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I still cannot believe.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Scorpio sky.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I cannot believe that ROH is still a thing to be honest.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, you can you can use all the video library, which they really haven't done outside of, you know, sell on the monthly subscription service, but I don't think there's a reason to have ROH exist.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's ridiculous.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Can someone tell me the business reason?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Can wrestle nomics?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Can Brandon Thurston tell me a business reason?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Why it makes sense to keep ROH going?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Anyone out there at Rob from Indiana on Twitter, now known as X.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let me know why.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_04]: ROH even needs to exist.