Unspoken Issues #158- Deathstroke - "City of Assassins"

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Unspoken Issuers.
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All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Unspoken Issues podcast.
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We have returned. We are heading into Gotham. It's a
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city of assassins. You need to watch out. Maybe one
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or two assassins in this but regardless, assassins plural. We're
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heading into an early nineties d C for some of
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some of the single digits of death stroke determinator. And
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of course I'm Jesse Starcher. Over there is Dean Compton. Dean,
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I think this was one of your suggestions here, what's
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up with city of assassins? Why city of assassins?
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Well, it's a very important storyline. Do you know why?
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Tell me why?
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You don't know?
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No, I don't.
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It is the first time that Batman means death stroke.
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Very oh the first time, Okay.
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Very first time. And we live in a world now
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where death stroke spinning villain in so many Batman games
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and Batman stuff. There are a lot of people are like, oh,
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he's a Batman villain, right. I wouldn't say that because
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I'm a comic book guy. I'm like, hey, he's a
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teen Titans DCU villains. But as far as tracing back
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his appearance in like the Arkham Night Games and stuff.
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It's all gonna gets all gonna come back to this story.
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Right here is the first time they meet in the
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DC universe.
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Wow, I did. I wasn't picking up on that. There
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was definitely like dialogue, like I heard of you. So
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I don't know why I missed that. That's awesome, that's
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actually really cool. So yeah, Darry's down there, Darry, this
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is death Stroke the Terminator. Were you picking this up
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off the shelves? Young whipper snappery? What was going on
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with death Stroke?
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No, I've never read this story. I've never read this series.
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I didn't even realize he had an ongoing series.
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No way, you got to get in the loop, bro.
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This title was canceled in like nineteen ninety five. Well
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you gotta get the loop, bro. I've read every issue
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of death Stroke Determinator like twice.
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Give me your take on death Stroke.
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There. Dean well like him, Okay, I think he's terrific. Yep,
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now that the series presents him, he's like I think
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he's grown back into being a villain now. But the
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series m is more anti heroic, like a mercenary with
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a certain degree of morals and ethics. It has some
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really fun ties to the DC universe because death Stroke's
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kind of a despicable guy, but he also works with
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Superman sometimes in this series or in Panic in the
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Sky and stuff, so it's fun to see that juxtaposition.
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I just really think the character's visual is pretty awesome.
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He always has like a big gun and a sword.
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The Mike Exet covers like really made me interested. I
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remember when I first got into comics, I wanted everything
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to be analog, like Green Arrow and Hawkeye. So to me,
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like death struggles, like, is that just DC's puniture. It
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must just be DC's puniture, right, And although that's not
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entirely true, it's not an awful way to look at it.
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They have similar things in common booths being like Vietnam
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War events and whatever war. He's a veteran of now
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since the time has moved along. But I just always
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really like the character, really like the visual of the character,
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really likes how he's interplayed with the Titans, And there's
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something really cool when, like night Wing in one issue,
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I've seen him and ask him to team up. He's like,
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I don't work for free, you gotta cover. But it's
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this much today plus expenses. He's like, yeah, we'll cover
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it because night Wings is spinning Steve Dayton's money.
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He's kind of famous for one thing, right, are we
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all in agreement on that?
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Well, you're gonna have to help me out. Well, other
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than the fact that we're comparing Slade and Wade, I
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don't know if that's what you're going on.
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No, no, no, he dates He dates Terraf from the
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Teen Titans, and that was all I knew about him.
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It's not even the right word. He uses her and
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grooms her so that he can take the Titans out.
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They smoke cigarettes and have sex. Okay, okay, and it's
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a bad thing to have done. I think they've rent
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combat out now.
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No idea. Yeah, but that's all I knew about him
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for the longest time. And then I remember seeing him
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on the Teen Titans TV show.
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Where he went a great cars won a great cartoon.
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Yeah, I know it was. But he's voiced by wrong
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for him, and he can only be referred to as Slade,
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And obviously I don't think they adapt that specific story.
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But that's when it occurred to me, like, oh no,
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this is a character outside of that.
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One really creepy, so they actually did adapt that exact story.
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He just doesn't sleep with eraha. I think there was
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a time when male writers, especially male writers, saw sex
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crimes like rape, it's just crimes. Now, I've heard that
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Mark Miller say that, like, oh, of course that my
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bad guy's rape. It's an evil thing to do. Well,
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it's more than just an evil thing to do, especially
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if you ask women who are more subjected to rape
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in society. So I think that to them, they didn't
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think about how creepy and icky and weird it would be.
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And honestly, in some states, he didn't do anything illegal
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this day, it's just weird and not right, but they
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didn't think about it so much. It's like he's a
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bad guy. Of course he's doing a bad thing.
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Yea. Yeah.
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And the same writer who wrote that wrote Mark Wolfman
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wrote this story too, so yeah, no.
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His co creator, the legendary writer of Titans. But yeah,
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I don't know. His face turn was always funny to
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me because it's like, it's not like Venom or Deadpool
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or one of the characters across the street who it's like, okay,
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but you've never really crossed that line here it's kind
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of like, I don't want you to be a good guy.
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Like this story was really good because I liked how
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it set him up against Batman, as nine out of
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ten things you can list about them are the same,
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and it's that tenth that really defines them that.
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He kicks Batman's ass. I think you're onto something because
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part of what the series deals with is like death strokes,
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a guy who's trying to redeem his probably too strong
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a word, but he's trying to at least improve his reputation.
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I don't want him to be one of the good guys.
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Well what does that matter? He's trying to be one
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of the good guys. Now, shouldn't the other good guys
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somewhat accept that?
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No?
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No, no, Listen, they put up with Guy Gardner, right,
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and I don't think there's any right or wrong answer
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to it. And to be honest, some guys will be
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able to move on and forgive him and some guys won't.
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But certainly some of the series is him being like
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a prime to do things in a different way. And
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also he's just good. He just looks cool.
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I'll just say that his look was designed by George.
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Perez he loves cool stuff too. I don't like the
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Arrow Show, but he looks cool in Arrow.
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He did look cool in Yeah. There was a more
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recent book by Christopher Priest that kind of hit on
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what you're saying. Wasn't so much as he had a
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moment where he realized that what he did was wrong
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and he wanted to stop doing that. It was more
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that he realized that before a certain point, he never
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cared about that. It was this idea of like, lait
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a second, it hurt when my own kids were lost,
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So how do I develop morality that's going to make
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sure that in the future I don't lose what I
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really care about. I don't do things that are gonna
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put me in those situations. That was kind of an
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interesting arc for the character, and to your point, to
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go back to Gardner or something, Slade cars out this
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interesting place where he's almost a moral he's defined his code,
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but he's almost past that right because they're always like, well,
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you can't kill this person. He's like, no, I can.
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I don't feel any regret if I kill this person
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as long as it doesn't come back and affect me
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negatively in the future. And he's incredibly practical. I think
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from that perspective, he's really interesting. I always found him
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to be an interesting character in relation to the Titans,
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because you're talking about a bunch of teenagers, a bunch
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of kids from the fifties, no less, and he's brutal.
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And I always loved him as a stand in for
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like an abusive mature relationship. Who's their arch enemy, Well,
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it's Evil Batman. He's only got one eye and he
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hates them, and he's not gonna go easy on them
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because they're kids, and he has killed many people and
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he's probably gonna kill many more. So I always thought
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he presented a really good comparing and contrast with the Titans.
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I thought that was a good matchup.
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In the metal world. One of the reasons he gets
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to a title is I think the guy's was John Peterman,
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the Titans editor, was trying to carve out a corner
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they thought. They looked at the xbooks, are like, we
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should be more like the xbooks, Like the Xboos had
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X Man, X Factor, New Mutants, et cetera. There were
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mini series like why, like the Titans had a million characters,
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why don't we have this corner of the DC universe.
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It's like ours one of the things they carved out.
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They're like, we could do a death Stroke series because
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I no offense to the Titans, but like he's he's
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arguably other than Nightwing. He's probably the most interesting of them.
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And not only doesn't get a series for years for
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I don't know different reasons. One of them is how
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close you're going to relate him to Batman, et cetera.
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But death Stroke doesn't come with that baggage. Destron Dethtroke
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can interact with any part of the DC universe. That
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Stroke can deal with government questions, death Stroke can deal
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with ethnical dilemmas. Death Strokes perfect for like the late eighties,
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early nineties as far as that stuff goes. So as
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far as him trying to get and Teen Titans was
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a part of this too, so they wound up a
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three titles It was Titans, Teen Titans, and death Stroke.
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It makes perfect sense for him to get his own
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book within that context.
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I went to Mike's Amazing World and I want to
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share something with you guys real quick. You better, Yeah,
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just to give you guys a good idea. Again, we're
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talking death Strokes, The Terminator number six through nine, first
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issue drop November of nineteen ninety one, and let me
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go in Shumer screen here real quick. If there's anything
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you guys want to say about this, great, If not,
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don't worry about it. There's a news stand for November
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of ninety one. Let's take a look and see what's
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on newsstands at DC Comics in ninety one. Anything sticking
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out to you here. It's probably hard.
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To see Armageddon two thousand and one for the Adventures of.
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Superman, probably because it would have been ninety one. I
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can't see if it's very small. Let's look the problem
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for me.
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No, that's a problem. That's action comics. I don't think
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this is so prison break in No, okay, but I
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saw Armageddon alien agenda that is part.
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Of the deal. Monarch and Captain Adam are fighting through time,
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and I think Inferno is when the Justice Society comes back.
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M it looks like the hardcover of Batman Dracula Red
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Rain dropped. I was looking at this.
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What brought me to this Impact comics? Baby? How about that?
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah right here we have.
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The really underrated, really great title, and then Crossover Classics
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that's the I've got that.
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I remember seeing that at the library back in the
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early two thousands.
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He never checked it out.
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What this right here? I'm fairly certain I did. I
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think I did that. I was doing a whole crossover kick.
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I wasn't doing the Marvel DC stuff. I was doing
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the like Crisis on Earth one, Crisis on Earth two,
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and I think it's the Justice Society.
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Crisis is through crisis through time.
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Here you get crisis, but yeah, crisis.
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The DC universe comes back to crisis, getting again to
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defying stuff. There's several crisis like Crisis on Apocalypse, Crisis
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on Earth, Eggs, Crisis on Earth one and two.
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There's a lot of impact comics going on at this point.
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Jaguar Fly, we got black.
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Sid Did DC licensed the Archy characters?
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Is that DC licensed the Archie characters, and the idea
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was to get them into traditional outlets, drug stores, grocery stores,
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et cetera. Just have a brand new continuity so that
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younger people could get in and enjoy it. It never
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quite worked out. The titles are good, though I think
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The Black Hood is incredibly underrated. The Fly is a classic.
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This one stood out to me which I have covered
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on the Source Material podcast. Yeah, good, good stuff.
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Easter Bunny, did Slow Mo Kill?
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Classic?
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Not for kids?
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Know, it's not Robin two. Variant covers for days.
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Yeah, that's the thing when people complain about variant covers.
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I'm like, we've been doing it a while, folks.
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trying to see if there was anything that we covered
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or we've touched on, or if there were any of
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these things that were in the middle of any storylines
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that we had talked about in the past, aside about.
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Him Who in the DC Universe?
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The I have that Who's You in the DC Universe
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Dark Fantasy? That's about the characters that would make up Verdigo.
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Yeah. Ye did these things come with the three whole
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punch already?
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Yeah, like you're supposed to put him in a.
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Didn't have Wikipedia back then, we had to make our own.
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Is that the Roger Sterns Starman or Tompire?
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Left?
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Let's look is that Roger m because they were the writers.
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Yeah, I can never remember who did.
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so we're about.
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the new Starman starts.
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He's gonna die during the eclipso Arkness within a man
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rip Will Peyton.
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Seriously, a good character didn't get enough time? All right?
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and Jack's apparently about to go find him.
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what looks great.
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I'll tell you this about that book. But we tried
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to write it when I was younger. It hit me harder.
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Some of these things are not hitting me as well
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as they could have because I've seen things. But it's
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really good. I really should have reade it when I
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was younger because of the stupid lettering. My eyes cannot
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handle all of this fine print and then all this
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and I get it. It adds the atmosphere of the story.
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But I'm like, oh my god, I'm with you. Man.
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When you have to read the parts with the character
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of the shade.
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Yes when writing and you're like, oh my goodness, no.
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I couldn't do it. When I was young. It's not
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getting any easier, and I've got the nice glossy Omniabai
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and it's just it's terrible. It's like, why why would
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you do this? Why would you have someone lighter like this?
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What is this?
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Comic? Beautiful Stories for Ugly Children?
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Beautiful? It's from Paradox Press.
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No, he's right, it's actually Piranha. So it's like it's
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really short lived. So these were all the things Jesse
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that they were throwing against the wall before Dean just
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mentioned Vertigo. This is right before then, where they're not
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quite sure why these weird books are selling, but they're
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just about to land on the Vertigo label and all
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the weird stuff's going in there, and then a little
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bit later we'll get Helix for the more science fiction stuff,
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most notably Transmittropolitan.
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Everything gets more absorbed in to Vertigo and then eventually
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become Black Label and everything else. But they're figuring out
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the contracts, most notably, everyone who got involved with a
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successful Vertigo book talks about how much money they made
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and how that would never happen today.
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But in this title, I've heard good things about it,
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and I haven't had a chance to read it yet.
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Okay, all right, well I was almost acquired.
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Ninety one is a good year because we don't have
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image yet, right, so things still look very much the
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way they did a couple of years beforehand. But you
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can tell right on the cusp it's like everything is
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going to look completely different than twelve to eighteen ones.
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back at what was on the shelves and November ninety
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one for DC. I'll get back to my notes here.
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But the best thing you could have bought his City
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of Assassin.
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That's right, that's real.
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Get into the creative team for Death Stroke the Terminator
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issues six, seven, eight, and nine. Let's start with Marv Wolfman.
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Marv Wolfman's career began in the late nineteen sixties at
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DC Comics, where he initially worked as a plotter and
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writer for a variety of titles including Black cowk, House
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of Mystery, and Teen Titans. During this early period, he
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notably wrote the origin of Wonder Girl in Teen Titans
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number twenty two. By the early nineteen seventies, he expanded
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his reach to other publishers like Skywald and Warren, while
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also starting a significant tenure in Marvel Comics with titles
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such as Tower of Shadows and Captain Marvel. In the
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mid nineteen seventies, Wolfman became a dominant creative forest Marvel,
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particularly in their horror and adventure lines. He began a
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legendary run on Tomb of Dracula in nineteen seventy two,
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a series where he famously introduced a character Blade in
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issue number ten. His work at Marvel during this decade
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was prolific, encompassing long runs on flagship titles like Amazing
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Spider Man, Fantastic Four, Daredevil, and Nova, as well as
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licensed properties like John Carter Warlord of Mars. He remained
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a staple at Marvel until nineteen eighty, even writing for
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statirical titles like Spoof and Crazy Magazine. Wolfman returned to
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d C Comics in nineteen eighty and immediately reshaped the
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landscape of the DC universe by co creating the New
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Teen Titans with artist George Perez. The team debuted in
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d C Comics Presents Number twenty six before launching their
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own highly successful title, which Wolfman would continue to write
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for the next decade. During the early nineteen eighties, he
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also launched original series such as night Force in nineteen
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eighty two in Vigilanti in nineteen eighty three, while simultaneously
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writing major stories for Superman Action Comics and Green Lantern.
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One of the most significant milestones of his career occurred
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in nineteen eighty five, when he wrote the twelve issue
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landmark series Crisis on Infinite Earths, which effectively rebooted the
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d C multiverse. Following this event, he played a crucial
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role in the post crisis era by writing History of
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the d C Universe and taking over the writing duties
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for Adventures of Superman from nineteen eighty six to nineteen
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eighty seven. Throughout the late nineteen eighties, he continued to
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lead the Titans franchise, which was a ventually retitled New Titans,
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while also writing a major run on Batman from nineteen
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eighty nine to nineteen ninety By nineteen ninety one, the
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year that serves as the backdrop for our discussion on
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the City of Assassin story, Wolfman remained one of DC's
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most prominent writers. He continued his long term commitment to
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New Titans, and successfully launched Death Stroke the Terminator into
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his own solo series. This period also saw him briefly
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return to his horror roots at Marvel with a new
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two of Dracula series, further demonstrating his versatility across both
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major publishers as he entered the nineteen nineties. So that
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was our writer, Marv Wolfman. Now let's talk about our penciler,
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Steve Irwin. Irwin's professional career began in the mid nineteen eighties,
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primarily working for First Comics. His earliest credited work appeared
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in nineteen eighty five on grim Jack, where he served
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as an artist, anchor and penciler for stories and issues
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number eighteen through twenty. Following this, he spent much of
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nineteen eighty six as the regular penciler for the title Shatter,
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illustrating issues number three through seven. In nineteen eighty seven,
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Erwin transitioned to DC Comics, beginning with a three issue
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stint as the penciler on Vigilante number forty eight through fifty.
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The role led directly to his most significant long term
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project of the late nineteen eighties, serving as the primary
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artist for the tactical espionage series Checkmate. Starting with issue
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number one in late nineteen eighty seven, Erwin penciled nearly
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every issue of the series through early nineteen ninety, including
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notable stories such as Arabian Nights in One Wet and
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Wild Night. As the nineteen nineties began, Erwin expanded his
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portfolio at DC by contributing to high profile team books
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in cosmic titles. He penciled issues number sixty eight through
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seventy of New Titans, which included his first collaboration with
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writer Marv Wolfman and inker Will Bleiberg on the story
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Clay Pigeons. During the same period, he provided art for
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Hawk and Dove number twenty one and twenty two, and
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a three issue run on New Gods issues twenty three,
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twenty four, and twenty five. The defining moment of his
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career leading up to the end of nineteen ninety one
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was the successful launch of The Death Stroke the Terminator
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solo series in June of that year. Reunited with Marv Wolfman,
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Erwin served as a series regular penciler, establishing the visual
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tone for Slade Wilson's adventures through the first seven issues
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of the title. By December of nineteen ninety one. This
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run encompassed the introduction of the series and the beginning
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of the City of Assassins story arc. Now, let's talk
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a little bit about inker Will Bleiberg. His career up
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to nineteen ninety one is defined by his extensive work
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across several publishers, beginning with a mix of artistic roles
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at smaller houses before becoming a mainstay at DC Comics.
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His early career in nineteen eighty three saw him taking
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on diverse roles, including penciling all New Adventures of the
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Mighty Crusaders number two for Archie and serving as an
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inker and letterer for AC comics on titles like Americ Comics.
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During this period, he also provided inks for Archie's Thunder Agents.
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By the mid nineteen eighties, Bliberg became a prolific anchor
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for Eclipse Comics. Between nineteen eighty four and nineteen eighty eight,
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he was a primary contributor to several of their flagship titles,
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most notably Airboy and DN Agents, including new DN Agents.
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He also provided inks for the limited series Valkyrie and
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the crossover event Total Eclipse. This period established his reputation
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for detailed finishing work on adventure and science fiction properties.
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Then in nineteen eighty eight, Bliberg transitioned to DC Comics,
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where he initially focused on high profile mythological and cosmic titles.
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He had a significant run on Wonder Woman the second volume,
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starting with annual number one all the way to issue
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thirty four. In nineteen eighty nine. He moved to New Gods,
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inking the majority of issues from number seven through number
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twenty five between eighty nine and ninety one. During this time,
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he also contributed inks to various Superman titles, including action
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comics and Adventures of Superman. The year nineteen ninety marks
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the beginning of his notable collaboration with Marv Wolfman and
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penciler Steve Irwin. Their first joint project, as mentioned earlier,
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was New Titans number seventy, which set the stage for
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their long term partnership. By Men nineteen ninety one, this
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trio successfully launched the Death Stroke the Terminator solo series,
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with Blibergs as the regular anchor for the title's formative issues,
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including the start of the City of Assassin's arc. By
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the end of ninety one, Blackberg had solidified his role
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as a key artistic architect for DC's tactical and team
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based franchises. Our colorist is Tom J. Mccrawl, who, up
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to nineteen ninety one is defined by as rapid ascent
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as a prolific colorist, moving from independent titles to becoming
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a central figure in d C Comics's visual identity. His
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professional work began in nineteen eighty seven at First Comics,
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where he colored the majority of the Evangeline series issues
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number three through twelve, and contributed to other notable titles
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like Chronicles of Korum, Dread Star, and Badger. This early
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period established his ability to handle diverse genres, from religious
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theme sci fi to high fantasy and superhero satire. In
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eighty nine, mccrawl transitioned to DC Comics, where he immediately
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took on high profile assignments that reshaped major franchises. He
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was the colorist for the relaunch of Aquaman, starting with
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the Aquaman Special number one and continuing through subsequent solo series. Simultaneously,
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he became the primary colorist for the Star Trek line
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in DC, beginning with the Star Trek Movie Special number
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one and the long running ongoing Star Trek series that
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debuted in August of nineteen eighty nine. By the start
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of the nineteen nineties, mccrawl had become a mainstay of
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DC's monthly production, holding long term coloring tenures on several
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flagship titles. He was a regular colorist for The Legion
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of Superheroes the fourth volume starting from its first issue
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in nineteen eighty nine, and expanded his portfolio in nineteen
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ninety two include ongoing duties on Suicide Squad and Starman.
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During this window, he contributed to various special projects and anthologies,
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such as Secret Origins, Christmas with the Superheroes and The
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Secret Origins of the World's Greatest Superheroes trade paperback. The
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year nineteen ninety one marked up peak in his early
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career productivity, as he balanced multiple monthly titles while coloring
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high stakes event books and limited series. He provided the
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colors for Superman for Earth Number One and the limited
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crossover series Star Trek. The Modalla Imperative, an event that
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affected the original series and the next generation. Starting the
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four part story here, City of Assassins. We've already talked
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about the writer Marv Wolfman are penciler Steve Irwin, inked
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by Will Bliber. Steve Irwin Steve Irwin.
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Match DW. Price wanted me to talk to you about
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Steve Earl. He is in the Oklahoma Cartoonist Hall of Fame, really,
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and he is also known for doing Star Treking books.
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He's going to have a documentary coming out soon. But
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he is one of the premier comic book artists from Oklahoma.
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So Matthew Price is speeding Bullet Comics SB Comics dot
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com where he's buy a million comics. They still have
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the Supreme Deal. Any issue of Supreme for two million dollars,
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don't mind it for you.
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I forgot about the Supreme Deal.
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I gotta say the the art on this four part
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series is spectacular. This guy sends a design layout, use
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of shadows. When he does choose to use a splash page,
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it's immense. I mean, really this is this is one
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of those books where it's not super wordy. Well, I
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think Wolfman does a good job, but you almost don't
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need the text. Irwin does just an amazing job. And
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there's some some shots here where he's trying to differentiate
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Batman a death stroke and he's almost channeling Will Eisner.
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It's that this was a pleasure to flip through and
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read the second time once where it's going absolutely right.
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Yeah, the art's great, and he makes Gotham very moody.
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Gotham sometimes gets overlooked, but it's very much a character in.
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This book that's really well said because I agree, and
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he does all these establishing shots. I was never a
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huge fan of the Burton image of Gotham, where it
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looks very expressionist. To me, Gotham is just all the
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worst parts of New York, and I feel like he
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does such a good job the street level stuff. You
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can't see the sky, but when he shows you the skyline,
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everything's just a little different color, the fog and mist
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and the pollution, and it's it's all great. And then
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when the Batman shows up, it's all about the lights
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and the positions. It's a pleasure to read. It's basically
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a crime no war story where a couple of costume
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guys show up for no reason to move the plot forward.
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But I mean that is a compliment, because sometimes the
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human character is the drama of what you're looking for
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gets lost because it turns out to be the Joker's
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birthday or whatever. Not sense that put these poor characters
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through here. I felt like Wolfman really rained himself in.
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He focused on the human drama, and when the other
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characters show up, it doesn't distract. You really are interested
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in what the mundane characters are doing. I really think
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this is a style of storytelling. It would do well
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to make a comeback.
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It's like a good cop show, which I don't like
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cop shows anymore. But when I was a kid, I
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liked Hill Street Blues and he came across there was
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like some really good episodes Hill Street Blues. Now I
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don't like cop shows a copaganda, copaganda.
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I didn't know what Hills Street Blues was. I had
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never seen an episode of it. But when Alan Moore
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came out with the comic Top ten, he kept mentioning it,
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so I had to look it up, and I realized
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that there was this incredibly popular cop show that was
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on for years, but I had just never seen because
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I was too young. That is my only reference for
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that is thinking about Smacks and Toy Box and King
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Peacock being in the semi fictional version of Chicago that
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that show was said.
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In that's crazy. If you laid that theme song the
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intro to Hill Street Blues. I don't think I watched
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a single episode, but I know that because.
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My the cops coming out like the intro. Wow. It
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took me until last year to realize that Hill Street
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Blues is a play on words. So they're cops, so
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they wear a blue uniform, and also it's about their struggles.
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Got it some deep shit? Shame is.
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I just I didn't get it for a long time.
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Forty years old. That's double meeting wallet the infinitized. I
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didn't realize that. I was like, forty wait, this is
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two things.
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Running a gauntlet. They're all running a gauntlet.
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All right, so it's infinite. Wow.
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The initiation differends.
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A stroke not a character in the infinity Galdlet Nope,
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he is not. But if he had been killed, him too.
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For the amount of times that one or brothers has
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been sold in our lifetimes, if you told me that
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Netflix was gonna carve out DC and toss them over
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to Disney, I would not be shocked.
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YEH wouldn't be shocked either.
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I don't think anything's been finalized. They were still doing
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the stupid paramount trying to put in.
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As to try and block it. Yeah, because there's sour
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grapes that they lost.
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They're upset.
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The dude who owns Paramount Ellison or whatever, he just
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wants to get in CNN so that he can like wow,
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so he can just destroy CNN because he's hated CNN forever.
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He's a billionaire. It's the funny thing too, It's like
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CNN loves billionairess like it's really weird, Like for somebody
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like me, it's like they're only nice to billionaires. Ninety
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nine point three percent, not ninety nine point eight, you
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shit bags.
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Oh boy.
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Struck Determinator and.
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By Will Bleiberg and colored by Tom J. Mccrawl, And
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you mentioned Star Trek earlier. I did a little bit
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of looking up what some of the credits that these
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guys had. Tom J. Mccrawl did a lot of coloring
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on Star Trek issues as well. It might have been
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one of those things where these guys ran in the
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same circles and felt like they needed to work they
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could work together. And then a lettered by the man
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the Legend, John Costanza. This guy is everywhere in the nineties,
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all right, I will go ahead and do a rundown
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of our characters. Want to give a baseline so everybody
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has an idea of who the characters are that's going
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to be in this.
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Well, the people who are listening to this don't know
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who Batman is.
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I really need to explain who Batman is. But we
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got to start with Slade Wilson death Stroke lead charactor.
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That's right.
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Isn't that a great couple. He started out being the Terminator,
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which predates the Terminator movies because then the movies came out,
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so they gave Okay, I don't think they had to
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I think they wanted to. Yeah, I think they probably
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could have said, hey, we don't have to do shit.
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Write this character like death Stroke appears in nineteen eighty
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but like even before the Terminator movie comes out, they
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probably didn't have to do shit, but they also wanted
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to do They wanted to differentiate the characters without losing
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the Terminator part.
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Okay, that makes sense.
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He doesn't solve problems. I have a house ad poster
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of him. He's like, he doesn't solve problems, he terminates them.
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Everything has a price, even death, which I like that
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tagline Man.
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Didn't he get involved because they tried to hire him
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and when he said I don't want to take the
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job for whatever reason they said we're going to have
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to kill you then, because now what we're trying to do,
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and he's like, I'm not going to tell anyone about that,
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and then they're like, how can we trust you? And
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then he's just like, well, you mooks think you're gonna
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be able to kill me? And then, like I was
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saying before, it's almost as if he's a moral it
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doesn't even occur to him to lie. It's like, I
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don't care about what you're doing. It does not even
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occur to me that that's gonna be a problem. And
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then he overreacts and decides to murder all of these
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central casting guys. He even says it to Scoops. He says,
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they didn't accept my word. That's insane. And that's what
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makes Slade okay.
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Like I don't think he just got pissed off at
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them and decided to go do it.
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But that's what I like that because that separates them
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from everyone else. Few people have that motivation of like
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it's not even a misunderstanding. It's like they didn't do
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exactly what he wanted them to do, even though why
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would they.
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So I really like that about the character Good Old scoops.
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G I Joe named Scoops?
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Did I make that there is a g I Joe
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named Scoop? He is a field reporter, okay, and like
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he's in an issue of special missions. But all the
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jokes hate him because they're like, oh, you're just on
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those for uncle Y because he's taking battlefield footage and stuff.
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He winds up proving himself. Don't worry. Don't you worry
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he was don't worry.
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He was not an accountant before he joined the.
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Joe's though, right, Like, no, I don't think he was accountant.
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He's got to be a journalist, right, He's a journalist.
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Yeah, yeah, geralist. Okay.
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By the way, I don't think we mentioned always.
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We did this podcast about the Joe's and the ones
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that died, and for some reason in my head, he
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was always one of them. He's not.
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He's not.
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He's fine.
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Yeah, he's the one that's actually getting the low down
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on why sneak Peak is not actually dead.
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He's definitely contributed to Stars and Stripes newspaper. I'm blind,
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y'all got that. I was like, this might not get over, But.
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We didn't talk about death stroke has this crazy physiological
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ability to use his brain.
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Yeah, one of those fake things that people called the
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human only because don't love the rest of it good,
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which is apparently a myth. Yeah, but he also has
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a healing factor, so he's got super fast reflexes and
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slightly super strength, and he's also been trained in everything
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like judo and akito and kung fu and staff fighting.
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Yes, he is. We also have Batman, just like you said,
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he's the protector of Gotham. These two are kind of
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at odds. Batman doesn't have very much of a a
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rosy idea of who death Stroke is. He believes he's
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a murderer at in this at.
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So you can't Batman for that, No, you can't. That
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Strokes murdered a lot of people, will.
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Yeah.
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I found that so funny where he keeps calling a
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grace and and he's like, hey, this is an international
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murderer with Warrens in every country, right, and Dick's like, yeah, listen,
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he tried to kill me and my friends a bunch
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of times. But he's he's a good guy. He's trying
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to make him and it's just it's it's Wolfman just
681
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being like I want this character to work. I wanted
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to be a main character who can tell you if
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Batman's son can tell him. He's tries and again I'm
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sitting there like, dude, I understand where you want to
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end up. You haven't done the legwork. The whole idea
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of slave Wi is that he wakes up and you
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need to kill a president or a prime minister. He's
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supposed to have done every terrible thing that has ever happened.
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He's death struck determinator. He's the person Elector and task
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Master are afraid of. He's so terrifying, and here it's like,
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oh yeah, no, he's absolutely killed hundreds of people, but
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he's trying to make a commends. It's like, Dick, you're
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you're like twelve in this story, And I don't know
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if I buy your take on his revolving dorm morality.
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Creepy that you called him twelve because he's standing around
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in his tidy whiteies.
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Is he right? No, I'm sorry, he's not even when
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he goes to college, right, So he's like in his twenties.
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He's in his twenties. He's grown up a little bit.
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But I get where he's coming from, because death stroke
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At this point has worked with him and helped save
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the world. He killed his own kid to save the
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world in front of the Titans. So now I get
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why he's like, Hey, this guy might not be too bad.
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It's not like Batman and the Titans aren't breaking the law.
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Let's keep that in minde like like vigilantism, like Commissioner
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Gordon's overlooking vigilantism, which is against the law. Batman is
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a and Batman knows that. Yeah, He's like, maybe this
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guy is turning over a new leaf. But I agree
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with you though. When you were a kid and you
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would meet somebody and they would know somebody, you would
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call the first person and be like, is this person
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really cool? Like yeah, they're really cool. You should get
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to know him, Like okay, okay, okay, Like somebody just
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moved to your school and somebody who gone to that
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school before that stroke Slaine Wilson, will Slaye Wilson let
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you copy the homework there.
718
00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:36.360
It's interesting because it does for all of my complaining.
719
00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:40.159
It's that's an interesting precedent for later on when when
720
00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:43.639
Jason Todd is introduced, killed, and resurrected when he comes
721
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:46.639
back as the right Hood A story clearly establishes that
722
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:49.840
he has many bodies, like they're all quote unquote terrible people,
723
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:52.639
but there's many, many bodies. But eventually he does become
724
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:54.519
part of the bad family. So I do think it's
725
00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:57.400
an important part of night Wing and Batman's art that
726
00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:00.119
they do believe in the ability to turn home for
727
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:02.559
a new leaf that is evidenced here. I'm not saying
728
00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:04.199
it comes out of nowhere. I just thought it was
729
00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:06.519
pretty funny that it's like, oh my god, you're the
730
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:10.079
worst assassin that has ever lived. Like he's absolutely broken
731
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:12.880
the no killing rule for a hundred reasons.
732
00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:14.519
And it's not like you see him, No, he won't
733
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:16.039
do it for less than one hundred.
734
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:18.679
Thousand reasons, right, I apologize. He doesn't get out of
735
00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:21.079
bed for one hundred thousand in nineteen ninety one. God
736
00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:21.719
only knows what that.
737
00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:26.199
Well. Speaking of the law, we get an introduction to
738
00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:32.280
Patricia pat Trace Trace. Yes, she is a GCPD detective.
739
00:37:32.679 --> 00:37:34.480
She's a woman at her breaking point due to a
740
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:36.280
legal system that failed her partner.
741
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:39.119
Lewis who stupid legal system.
742
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:44.119
It was murdered by the hitman Jeremy Barker. Commissioner James
743
00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:47.079
Gordon is part of all of this. He is dealing
744
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:50.840
with the FBI, who's come in speaking of federal agents,
745
00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:55.119
Lorna Gaines, she's assisting in the investigation. That's a name
746
00:37:55.159 --> 00:37:58.840
we need to remember, our supporting allies and informants. We
747
00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:02.159
got wr winter Green, Darry, tell me what you thought
748
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:03.639
about mister winter Green here.
749
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:06.800
Winter Green is another one of those things where it's like,
750
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:11.480
did you write the script and you had Alfred in
751
00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:14.119
it and then you forgot you couldn't use him, so
752
00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:15.639
you swapped in winter Green.
753
00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:19.880
No, No, winter Green like predates this, like he's he's
754
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:21.800
been with death stroke for a long time.
755
00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:24.599
Okay, okay, okay, he's like now he does.
756
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:27.920
Serve a very similar purpose to Alfred. Okay, well you
757
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:31.599
notice he's much more whimpering. Alfred's like telling Batman like,
758
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:34.000
I don't know why any you mass maniacs do any
759
00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:37.000
of that. Winter Green's like, oh, I gotta find and
760
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:39.599
pretending not to want to find that stroke, but absolutely
761
00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:40.800
wanting to find that drug.
762
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:43.840
In a lot of ways, you need winter Green because
763
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:46.679
I feel like death strokes to find. In characteristic is
764
00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:49.760
that he's he's like he's evil Batman, right, like most
765
00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:52.079
of the things that he shows in Humon, and they
766
00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:54.639
even make a point in this storyline of drawing them
767
00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:58.000
when they're in action very similar. They have similar movements
768
00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:00.920
and motions and everything else. Yeah, so you need winter
769
00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:04.800
Green because whereas Alfred protects Bruce and helped to raise
770
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:07.840
Bruce and remembers what Thomas and Martha sound like, Winter
771
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:10.360
Green's the opposite. Winter Green's like I went into the service,
772
00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:13.119
I did my duty. I wasn't happy with everything, but
773
00:39:13.239 --> 00:39:14.880
I got out and I want to make something else.
774
00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:18.000
And he's watching Slade make all these mistakes and lose
775
00:39:18.039 --> 00:39:20.000
all these terrible tragedies. But I think at the end
776
00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:21.320
of the day, he wants what best for him and
777
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:23.320
he might be the only person who does so. I
778
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:25.199
think he's a very important character. But the first time
779
00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:27.119
I heard his name, I was like, is he a joke?
780
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:29.960
He's named after a flavor and it's like Alfred and
781
00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:32.960
he's also retired in British. I was very confused, and
782
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:34.679
then I read a little bit more about him, when
783
00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:37.320
I was like, oh, okay, I see where you're going. Actually,
784
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:40.159
in the later Chris Priest book, they make it explicit,
785
00:39:40.599 --> 00:39:44.599
like Alfred and Winter Green Serve together and they wondered
786
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:48.559
about that. Yeah. Again, on a long enough timeline, everyone's
787
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:50.679
going to know each other in these stories, and they
788
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:54.039
have correspondence about how their boys are doing. So it's
789
00:39:54.119 --> 00:39:55.880
funny because I like the idea of a guy who's
790
00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:58.760
trained in every thing that the Batman is, except where
791
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:01.559
as the Batman is like, never kill unless there's absolutely
792
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:04.039
no other option, and even then I'm gonna hesitated, where
793
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:05.760
Destro is like, now if I can kill you, and
794
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:08.599
and I'm gonna kill you start with. It's a nice dichotomy,
795
00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:11.599
especially at this period of time, which is post Batman
796
00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:14.519
eighty nine, post The Dark Knight Returns, Like we're really
797
00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:18.039
getting into the more modern iteration of the character.
798
00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:24.000
Batman can do something Dethtro can't. Yeah, have good depth perception.
799
00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:25.119
It's true.
800
00:40:25.719 --> 00:40:30.119
True, That's what I always thought the ninety percent of
801
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:33.840
his brain was. Does that explain why he basically has
802
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:36.199
bullseyes fire he can't miss even though he only has
803
00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:38.679
one eye. I was very confused by that. I mean,
804
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:41.679
there's something compensating for that. He can't even go to
805
00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:42.880
a three D movie.
806
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:46.280
Right, something, he can't even go to a three D movie?
807
00:40:48.639 --> 00:40:50.000
He can go, but he can't.
808
00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:53.840
It's such a cool mask, right, it's George Perez. He
809
00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:57.079
never had a bad design and it's so cool. But
810
00:40:57.159 --> 00:40:58.760
it's one of those things where I can't think about
811
00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:01.679
for very long because then I'm like, wait, you can't
812
00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:05.960
do your go go boots can't do any right. Like,
813
00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:08.280
I know you've got super You've got a generics and
814
00:41:08.320 --> 00:41:11.079
the superpowers, and that's fine. And again you're fighting a
815
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:12.800
guy dressed like a bat. It's not like I'm looking
816
00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:14.920
for accuracy here, but every time I see that, I'm like,
817
00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:17.800
you can't use that sniper rifle?
818
00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:22.480
Come on, Oh, that's good stuff. Then we got scoops,
819
00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:26.039
death strokes, street and informant and assistant who sets up
820
00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:29.760
meetings and logistical support and lasts about one issue in
821
00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:31.880
a job, and we'll talk about that here in a second.
822
00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:35.039
Alfred Pennyworth we already discussed. He's helping out Batman a
823
00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:38.119
little bit there. Then we have the underworld here, Jeremy Barker,
824
00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:41.280
a mid level mafia hit man turned federal witness who's
825
00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:44.079
going to be a big part of this story. And
826
00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:47.639
Emil Jarrett, who is a mafia boss. We got a
827
00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:49.559
lot of like I don't want to call him faceless
828
00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:52.119
like mobsters here, but it's hard for me to remember
829
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:58.360
who's who and what's going on my understanding if they
830
00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:01.199
don't exist, So I'm not I'm certainly not. But yeah,
831
00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:03.280
I feel like Emil Jarrett. Was he the guy that
832
00:42:03.559 --> 00:42:06.920
initially set up the hit on Jeremy Barker and then
833
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:08.880
death Stroke turned him down? Is that why?
834
00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:11.719
I believe that's the thing?
835
00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:13.400
Nudes?
836
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:16.679
All right, if you guys are ready, I'll get into
837
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:18.679
the synopsis real quick and then we'll banner about what
838
00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:21.360
happened then the issues, all right, sure, all right, so
839
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:25.400
here we go. Full story summary. The City of Assassins
840
00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:29.599
arc unfolds against a Gotham already poisoned by corruption, where
841
00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:32.840
mob hit man Jeremy Barker becomes the most dangerous man
842
00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:36.280
in the city simply by staying alive. After Barker is
843
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:40.360
arrested in positioned to testify Slade Wilson, death Stroke is
844
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:44.599
offered a contract to kill him and refuses outright, adhering
845
00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:47.400
to his own rigid code. That refusal doesn't keep him
846
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:50.599
out of the crossfire. When a masked assassin violently attacks
847
00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:55.159
Barker's guarded apartment, death Stroke intervenes, battling the intruder amid
848
00:42:55.679 --> 00:43:01.000
panicked police officers and escaping with Barker via helicopter. The aftermath, though,
849
00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:04.679
leaves a dead cop, a missing witness, and the unsettling
850
00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:09.039
realization that someone inside Gotham's institutions may actually be engineering
851
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:12.719
this chaos. As the city scrambles, Batman enters the picture,
852
00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:17.079
investigating Barker's disappearance. While crossing paths with death Stroke their
853
00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:22.840
inevitable rooftop contaminator, the terminator that's right, Their inevitable rooftop
854
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:27.880
confrontation becomes the philosophical spine of the arc. Batman argues
855
00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:30.679
that the truth can still be exposed through restraint and legality.
856
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:35.039
Of course, he argued that Deathstroke rejects the idea entirely,
857
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:38.320
viewing Gotham as too compromise to save. Their fight is
858
00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:44.159
brutal and decisive, with Slade walking away victorious and unmoved.
859
00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:48.000
At the same time, suspicion begins to form around Detective
860
00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:51.880
pat Trace, whose sudden absence and personal connection to Barker
861
00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:56.639
make her an increasingly likely candidate for the mysterious massed assassin.
862
00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:00.440
The tension spikes when death Stroke attempts to move Barker
863
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:03.320
out of Gotham, triggering a relentless pursuit through the city.
864
00:44:03.840 --> 00:44:07.440
The mass attacker escalates the chase, dramatically, commandeering a city
865
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:12.199
bus and forcing a violent crash on the bridge. Barker survives,
866
00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:15.039
but is left in severe pain and barely mobile, further
867
00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:18.880
complicating efforts to keep him alive. Everything about the pursuit,
868
00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:21.960
the timing, the tactics, the access seems to confirm the
869
00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:25.960
story's implication that Pat Trace may be the assassin, acting
870
00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:28.639
out of grief and rage over a partner's murder. The
871
00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:32.400
assumption begins to crack when the assassin abducts someone she
872
00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:36.480
believes is Barker during a chaotic police operation, only to
873
00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:40.760
discover she has captured death Stroke instead, deliberately disguised and
874
00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:44.280
placed in her path. During her interrogation of Slade, it
875
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:47.519
is revealed that the massed assassin terrorizing Gotham was never
876
00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:51.280
pat at all. The true killer is ultimately revealed to
877
00:44:51.320 --> 00:44:56.199
be FBI agent Lorning Lauriti gains operating as a covert executioner,
878
00:44:56.360 --> 00:44:59.519
using Barker as bait and exploiting the city's corruption and
879
00:44:59.559 --> 00:45:03.079
slayemas self as part of a twisted final test. She mentions,
880
00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:05.320
this is a test. There's this person that's kind of
881
00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:08.280
pulling her strings that we don't really get any.
882
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:11.239
Idea who to the death Stroke book? Right?
883
00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:12.679
All right?
884
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:15.719
The art concludes in a violent penthouse convergence. I think
885
00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:17.719
this is where we learn where Laura is. The art
886
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:21.079
concludes in a violent penthouse convergence, where all the lies
887
00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:25.119
finally collapse. The real assassin is killed, Barker survives and
888
00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:28.880
enters witness protection, and Gotham officially declares the case closed,
889
00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:32.920
though nothing about it feels resolved. Pat Trace, given the
890
00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:38.320
chance to execute Barker herself, chooses restraint over vengeance, refusing
891
00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:41.880
to become the thing she was manipulated into. Resembling snow
892
00:45:41.920 --> 00:45:45.320
falls over the city. Patent death Stroke disappear into the night,
893
00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:49.519
not redeemed, not forgiven, but fully aware of how easily
894
00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:53.079
justice can be distorted, and City of Assassins ends on
895
00:45:53.159 --> 00:45:54.039
that uneasy truth.
896
00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:56.559
The snow angels in the end.
897
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:02.199
Yeah, my first note, I want to go ahead and
898
00:46:02.199 --> 00:46:04.119
cross off here, because you already talked about a dean
899
00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:08.199
Mike zech covers. My goodness. I don't know if you
900
00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:09.920
have anything else you'd like to add. But what a
901
00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:13.039
perfect what a perfect artist to give us some covers
902
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:13.840
here of Death Stroke.
903
00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:17.000
Right, yeah, he's been doing the death Stroke cover since
904
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:20.840
the first My Death Droke House ad poster promo poster
905
00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:23.639
is actually the cover to issue number one. He's doing
906
00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:25.719
a great job. Honestly, the covers alone are worth a
907
00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:27.159
dollar seventy five admission.
908
00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:30.840
I agree. Let's talk about the big reveal here with
909
00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:34.920
Pat Trace. Did the story in any way make you
910
00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:38.199
think that Pat Trace was this mass assassin that was
911
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:41.760
trying to kill Barker or did you see through it?
912
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:46.320
No, it didn't, because it was It's one of those
913
00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:48.920
things where it's like, well, it's so obvious, right. I
914
00:46:49.079 --> 00:46:52.239
was actually surprised when you see the mass killer and
915
00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:56.639
the killer is drawn as a woman, I was like, oh, okay,
916
00:46:56.719 --> 00:46:58.000
so now it could only be one of the two
917
00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:01.000
characters you're introduced in that first scene. I was like, well,
918
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:03.159
I even go that route. If you're gonna bother with
919
00:47:03.239 --> 00:47:05.239
a mask, you can hide their entire identity. So I
920
00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:07.840
was actually a little surprised by that, And then as
921
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:11.079
we kept seeing her, I was like, Okay, it's probably
922
00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:12.239
the other one.
923
00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:13.239
Laurna.
924
00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:16.760
Yeah, so I know I wasn't. But I also don't
925
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:18.800
think that that was the biggest mystery, right because it's
926
00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:20.880
pretty obvious it's going to be one or the other,
927
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:23.840
and you haven't met these characters before the arc open,
928
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:26.440
and clearly it's going to come down to who's gonna
929
00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:29.199
win and a fight Batman, the guy whose book it is,
930
00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:31.880
or death Stroke or the character that Wolfman created. So
931
00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:36.440
I I was very book oh right with all the
932
00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:38.960
supporting characters. I kept thinking it was a Batman book.
933
00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:41.320
I understand that that's actually one of my gripes with
934
00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:43.280
it is there are times when this feels more like
935
00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:46.039
a Batman book than a death Stroke book, and that's
936
00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:46.800
not a good thing.
937
00:47:48.679 --> 00:47:48.800
You know.
938
00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:51.679
I still liked the story, but when he meets the
939
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:53.719
shit out of Batman, he has to be like, my
940
00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:59.159
wounds still hurts so much. We can't let Batman look
941
00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:02.639
a little bit bad. Even in somebody else's books. Batman
942
00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:04.840
still has to be and he's like, get out of
943
00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:07.480
bust and he come on, bro, you're like a kid
944
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:10.840
who's playing basketball. They start to lose get out here.
945
00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:16.280
I actually do like the idea that death Stroke could
946
00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:24.039
beat Batman. Yeah, it's like, yeah, Batman is incredibly capable
947
00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:26.239
in a variety of situations. But if you were to
948
00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:29.280
write down on paper everything he's very good at, it's like, Okay,
949
00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:31.960
Slade Wilson can match you. He can hold his own
950
00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:35.639
against all the masters that you trained with. And he's older,
951
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:38.400
so he's been doing this longer. He survived longer. He
952
00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:41.360
also doesn't have your no kill rule, and he's got superpowers.
953
00:48:41.519 --> 00:48:45.360
In a straight fight, there's no reason why Bruce would
954
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:47.920
necessarily come out on top. And you've seen this with
955
00:48:48.079 --> 00:48:50.599
his fights with Nightling, and he's familiar with your fighting style.
956
00:48:50.639 --> 00:48:52.559
He's probably going to take you out the frigging doesn't
957
00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:54.760
shoot you in the head. But when he beats the
958
00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:56.440
crab out of that, then it's like, no, that makes
959
00:48:56.480 --> 00:48:58.920
sense to me. You've built this up. You've developed his
960
00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:00.880
character as a crowd threat to him. It's like when
961
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:03.079
they introduced Paine a couple of years from now, It's like, no,
962
00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:06.199
I buy that. You outthought him and then you outfought him. Yeah.
963
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:11.280
Well, as far as Pat Trace being Pat Tray, that
964
00:49:11.559 --> 00:49:15.440
Trace I was on the hook. I legitimately was like, yeah,
965
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:19.599
and that's actually I should have put two and two together.
966
00:49:20.199 --> 00:49:22.880
But I was sitting there going, no, that sounds like fun.
967
00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:23.480
Who cares?
968
00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:26.639
I was definitely on for the ride. And then I
969
00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:29.280
was like, well, this girl is definitely because they set
970
00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:32.039
her up like that intentionally. Obviously as you're going through
971
00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:32.800
the story, she's not.
972
00:49:32.840 --> 00:49:35.079
I think Lorna Dane is trying to set her up.
973
00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:37.800
Her name isn't really Laura Dane Gaines.
974
00:49:38.079 --> 00:49:39.719
No, not Lorna Dane, Lorna Gaines.
975
00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:42.559
That would have been amazing. At the end, she pulled
976
00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:49.119
up a second mask and it was polarious exactly. You
977
00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:51.920
want to talk about deep pockets. The Worthington Foundation is
978
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:54.280
running X fact or. Now we get the government behind us,
979
00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:55.880
so we're gonna pull you in as a ten ninety
980
00:49:55.920 --> 00:49:59.639
nine employee. That's strict. Let's go, come on, you're working
981
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:00.440
from Sam.
982
00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:01.079
No.
983
00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:03.880
Sorry, But Laura is trying to set her up like
984
00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:07.159
that's why she uses a Gotham PD. Now the question
985
00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:09.039
is how she got access to it, but I guess
986
00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:11.920
it's not unfathomable. That's why she leaves a gun at
987
00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:15.280
the scene. That's a Gotham PD GUNC is like it looks.
988
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:18.760
Like it was a pat Troyce, very very crime war.
989
00:50:18.920 --> 00:50:21.880
Did you notice the lethal weapon reference detective Briggs and
990
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:23.880
Murdoch crossing the note off right now?
991
00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:24.559
Yeah?
992
00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:25.000
Good?
993
00:50:25.239 --> 00:50:27.360
And he must hate these guys because they look in
994
00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:31.000
they look like fools the whole time, like they're guarded
995
00:50:31.039 --> 00:50:33.719
the guy when Dethtroke shows something, kidnaps him, and then
996
00:50:33.760 --> 00:50:36.519
at the very end they're guarded the guy again. And
997
00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:39.559
when Vigilante just get steaks in. But it's a forty
998
00:50:39.599 --> 00:50:43.440
four magnetable, very large handgun right in his face. I
999
00:50:43.519 --> 00:50:44.800
thought it was deep. I was like, do you not
1000
00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:46.639
like these guys or something? You have something? It's Mel
1001
00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:48.800
gives you the Danny Glover. Right, we've all got something
1002
00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:51.559
against Mel Gibson. Now, but Glover what he got?
1003
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:54.280
At this point lethal weapon two had been out and
1004
00:50:54.400 --> 00:50:56.719
lethal weapon three was right around the corner in ninety two.
1005
00:50:57.800 --> 00:51:03.079
Solethal weapon. Yep. Yeah, this is also said at Christmas
1006
00:51:03.159 --> 00:51:05.679
because death Stroke, like Saves of Santas.
1007
00:51:05.320 --> 00:51:08.000
Wait, we got that Black? Is that the director of
1008
00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:12.119
these movies is that the guy Christmas, Ladies and gentlemen.
1009
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:14.599
Shame Black directed City of Assassins.
1010
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:16.960
He did not treat his characters.
1011
00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:19.360
That would have been cool if that had been the
1012
00:51:19.480 --> 00:51:22.840
third Batman movie. If they had just randomly and like
1013
00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:25.400
we got nothing else, we're gonna adept. We're gonna adapt
1014
00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:28.320
City of Assassins. I was black adapted the City of
1015
00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:30.400
Assassins from the early nineties would have been really cool.
1016
00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:31.920
That would actually have been pretty cool.
1017
00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:35.039
I love Batman forever, so I would loved anything that
1018
00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:35.519
came out.
1019
00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:40.000
Then, right the fight we kind of glossed on already
1020
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:43.119
talked a little bit about between Batman and Dean. I
1021
00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:45.880
remember when we were talking about this last week, when
1022
00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:48.119
we're getting ready to end the show. You were like, yeah,
1023
00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:50.480
we're getting ready to talk about City of Assassins and
1024
00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:53.280
Batman gets his ass handed to him. So you're a
1025
00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:53.800
fan of that.
1026
00:51:55.840 --> 00:52:01.079
I think Batman's grown incredible plot armor and the actually works.
1027
00:52:01.119 --> 00:52:03.360
He needs more moments where he has to come back
1028
00:52:03.400 --> 00:52:06.719
from something. What makes Nightfall and Nights in the Night's
1029
00:52:06.760 --> 00:52:09.760
Quest such a great I spent three omnibuses, and what
1030
00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:14.880
made it great was watching him come back from incredible duress.
1031
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:18.719
Too often Batman out smarts a guy with superpowers or
1032
00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:23.400
gets by him. This was a situation where like straight
1033
00:52:23.480 --> 00:52:26.880
up death Strokes should beat Batman and he did. And
1034
00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:30.800
then also it's in death Stroke's book, so that should help, right,
1035
00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:34.039
although even then it doesn't help always with Batman, right,
1036
00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:35.519
see also Wolverine.
1037
00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:38.599
Yeah, he's kind of a protected character. You don't want
1038
00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:41.079
him looking bad even though it's somebody else's book. You
1039
00:52:41.119 --> 00:52:43.239
don't want him looking bad anywhere else.
1040
00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:46.320
So that's the cornerstone of heroism, right. What are some
1041
00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:49.320
of the oldest hero tells we know, like Beowulf and
1042
00:52:49.400 --> 00:52:53.400
Grendel even got to make a comeback, it's got to
1043
00:52:53.480 --> 00:52:56.400
be like overwhelming on, Hey, how do I do this?
1044
00:52:56.559 --> 00:52:58.760
This guy's killed thirteen people already.
1045
00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:01.320
It's gonna be big just to leave Darry in the
1046
00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:04.079
dark here and make a wrestling reference about somebody coming
1047
00:53:04.119 --> 00:53:07.000
in from a different fed and drop and then to
1048
00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:09.760
get getting beat? Can you do that real quick off
1049
00:53:09.800 --> 00:53:10.360
top of your hand?
1050
00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:17.639
I think this was on accident. But when the Radicals
1051
00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:22.679
jumped to w w F in two thousand and Eddy
1052
00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:25.079
Guerrera like broke his arm. They needed to win this
1053
00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:28.719
match for stipulations, but they had to lose it, and
1054
00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:31.880
that screwed everything up and that, and so it's kind
1055
00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:34.039
of it's kind of like it's kind of it could
1056
00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:36.079
have been like that Batman shown up. Couldn't be like
1057
00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:38.039
that where it's like these guys show up, need to
1058
00:53:38.119 --> 00:53:41.639
make an impact and instead moving Batman's Like, but I'm Batman,
1059
00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:45.079
that's right, He's still Batman's everybody here also like does
1060
00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:47.840
he does death Stroke? Just no, Bruce Wayne's Batman? Like
1061
00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:52.719
it felt like it these guys just ship like this
1062
00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:55.320
is just sharing this information. I don't care if death
1063
00:53:55.360 --> 00:53:57.480
Stroke the terminator is trying to make a face turn like,
1064
00:53:57.480 --> 00:53:59.400
I don't want him know him that I'm Batman.
1065
00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:04.199
Right, I just took it that he seems to know
1066
00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:09.400
that Dick Grayson is night Wing or Dick Grayson is Robins,
1067
00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:15.119
So I don't necessarily remember him saying it outright. He
1068
00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:17.079
does show up in Wayne manor, but he seems to
1069
00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:20.079
be there for Bruce Wayne. But on another level, it's like, well,
1070
00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:22.599
if he knows the secret identity this guy's adopted son,
1071
00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:24.519
I don't. I'm pretty sure he could put two and
1072
00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:27.880
two together, Like death Stroke is also supposed to be incredibly.
1073
00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:31.760
Using one hundred brain.
1074
00:54:33.760 --> 00:54:35.719
Back then, it basically meant that he had a computer
1075
00:54:36.039 --> 00:54:39.280
up there. Right, the data is going in, you know,
1076
00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:41.480
he never misses a shot He's always going to show
1077
00:54:41.559 --> 00:54:43.840
up at the right time. It's kind of the same thing. Well,
1078
00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:46.800
I beat Dick Grayson within an inch of his life,
1079
00:54:46.840 --> 00:54:48.719
and he's got a very large trust fund. Now I'm
1080
00:54:48.719 --> 00:54:51.000
in the house of the guy who controls that trust fund.
1081
00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:53.760
So I kind of read it as an implication more
1082
00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:56.599
than anything else. But I also do like the idea
1083
00:54:57.199 --> 00:54:58.920
that he could figure it out and he could just
1084
00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:00.880
be like, what am I going to do with this information?
1085
00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:04.400
I'm also wealthy. I'm not impressed by you. I've beaten
1086
00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:06.719
the crap out of you. I don't care. It's like,
1087
00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:08.679
I feel like, if someone paid him enough money, stroke
1088
00:55:08.719 --> 00:55:11.239
would blow up Parkham Asylum. That's not why he's here.
1089
00:55:11.599 --> 00:55:14.679
He's here because people offer him to do a job,
1090
00:55:14.719 --> 00:55:16.400
and if he chooses to take it, he's gonna take it.
1091
00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:18.280
But he's got to choose. That's this whole gimmick.
1092
00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:22.039
Yeah, think about a world where it get Grayson is
1093
00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:24.400
just a kill guy, blows off the trust fund and
1094
00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:26.960
doesn't do anything. He's not night wing, he's just dating
1095
00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:30.519
different ladies. He's just like going to ski resorts, rusualy.
1096
00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:32.199
He's like, what are you doing when you're live? He's like,
1097
00:55:32.239 --> 00:55:34.280
I don't know what you should have done, brother, Yeah,
1098
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:36.599
took it easy.
1099
00:55:37.519 --> 00:55:39.599
That would be a great storyline too, because I feel
1100
00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:43.039
like there's so many times, especially after this period, where
1101
00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:44.960
the character of Alfred is just shown as being like,
1102
00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:47.679
could you all please retire? Like I'm tired of Barry
1103
00:55:48.119 --> 00:55:51.199
I care about Like I understand that you're trying to
1104
00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:54.719
help people and whatever, But there's like sixteen orphans living here.
1105
00:55:54.800 --> 00:55:56.639
Could at least a few of them just have a
1106
00:55:56.760 --> 00:55:59.119
normal life. It would be nice to have some grandkids
1107
00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:01.719
or something round. I think that would have been really
1108
00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:03.519
cool if at some point Dick was like, not what
1109
00:56:04.159 --> 00:56:07.239
peace out, I'm going to school, I'm going to Planet
1110
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:10.760
Tamera wherever starfires from back with a bunch of kids.
1111
00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:12.400
You keep trying to get yourself killed.
1112
00:56:12.679 --> 00:56:15.599
I got small notes in here about how Salvation Army
1113
00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:16.880
Santas are never safe.
1114
00:56:18.039 --> 00:56:18.519
They're all.
1115
00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:21.000
On that page.
1116
00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:23.159
Did you see how those two pages juxtaposed.
1117
00:56:23.559 --> 00:56:25.400
I didn't pay attention to help me out if you have.
1118
00:56:25.639 --> 00:56:29.480
These two pages were put together. Like Batman's driving and
1119
00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:31.920
he's working on what he's working on, and he's talking
1120
00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:34.800
to Albred. Oh yeah, he pulls over because these kids
1121
00:56:34.840 --> 00:56:36.800
are about to run a store, but he doesn't have
1122
00:56:36.880 --> 00:56:40.239
to do anything. The kids leave Death Strokes thinking to
1123
00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:42.760
himself about what he's gonna do. It's really just like
1124
00:56:43.039 --> 00:56:45.719
almost panel for panel, the same thing he said, death
1125
00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:46.840
stroke is brutal.
1126
00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:50.039
Yeah, those guys in the la right in the knee.
1127
00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:54.599
What's the meme where it's like, I'm sorry, sir, I
1128
00:56:54.719 --> 00:56:57.440
was not familiar with your game. That's how I feel
1129
00:56:58.039 --> 00:57:01.280
with Steve Irwin because there were points where I was
1130
00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:05.400
just going back and looking at the art without the dialogue,
1131
00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:07.199
the way he laid everything, and again, it could have
1132
00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:09.559
been in the script. Wolfman could have written out all
1133
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:12.920
the set direction and whatever. But it's so good, Like
1134
00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:14.920
the way the two main characters are showed it to
1135
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:18.239
parallel each other. It's just that extra step of using
1136
00:57:18.280 --> 00:57:20.559
a gun or shooting someone. It tells you everything you
1137
00:57:20.639 --> 00:57:23.360
need to know about the character. Really phenomenal. I'm gonna
1138
00:57:23.360 --> 00:57:25.360
look at as much of this guy's work as I
1139
00:57:25.400 --> 00:57:25.800
can find.
1140
00:57:26.039 --> 00:57:28.920
Like Star Trek. I love Star Trek. I'm proud you
1141
00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:31.760
did a lot of Star Trek. There we go and
1142
00:57:31.960 --> 00:57:35.159
it's like really really good stuff. So you know, I'm
1143
00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:37.960
not a Star Trek guy, but I remember at the time,
1144
00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:40.960
hearing about how good he was and the likenesses and stuff.
1145
00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:43.559
We had mentioned our artists. We were just talking about
1146
00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:48.960
him when for some reason I absolutely loved the car
1147
00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:51.360
chase in this I thought it was done really well.
1148
00:57:51.800 --> 00:57:54.239
Credit to the artist for making the action feel like
1149
00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:56.760
an actual car chase. I'm sure car chase has happened
1150
00:57:56.800 --> 00:57:58.559
all the time in comics, but this one just hit
1151
00:57:58.599 --> 00:57:59.719
me different. I don't know why.
1152
00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:03.320
I'm like the splash page of them on the helicopter ladder,
1153
00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:06.400
that's the one that you see a lot. You see
1154
00:58:06.440 --> 00:58:08.599
a lot of people on the ladder, but on the helicopter.
1155
00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:10.360
But this one just really hit me hard.
1156
00:58:11.559 --> 00:58:14.599
The one thing I have to say, I'm not picking
1157
00:58:14.679 --> 00:58:17.719
on him again, the art is spectacular. He draws what
1158
00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:19.679
might be the worst batmobile.
1159
00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:24.800
Okay, but that's how the batmobile looked at the time.
1160
00:58:25.159 --> 00:58:27.039
That was the house style. I'm sure he tried to
1161
00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:31.320
draw something better or more interesting or more dynamic, and
1162
00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:34.679
Danny O'Neill, whoever the editor was at the time, was like, no,
1163
00:58:34.960 --> 00:58:37.320
draw the house one that looks like a knockoff of
1164
00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:40.159
a knockoff of a toy of the damn saying like
1165
00:58:40.679 --> 00:58:45.159
who's window raises like that, Like that's some g I
1166
00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:47.119
Joe SnowCat thing.
1167
00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:49.760
It's a battle for two thousand and two. It's not
1168
00:58:49.840 --> 00:58:54.400
even the idea, it's like exact. Oh my god, that's
1169
00:58:54.440 --> 00:58:56.079
the question I'm going to ask for now on. I
1170
00:58:56.119 --> 00:58:58.159
wanna be like, does this impact you more or less?
1171
00:58:58.320 --> 00:58:59.760
The death the Battle Force six.
1172
00:59:02.400 --> 00:59:09.400
I just ealanche every time I see this momobile, I'm like, nah,
1173
00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:12.039
this is terror. You're too good of an artist to
1174
00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:16.360
have designed this awful, awful looking thing. And there's so
1175
00:59:16.639 --> 00:59:21.320
many iconic batmobile that's even the first one going way
1176
00:59:21.400 --> 00:59:23.679
back in the day. It's like you still see that
1177
00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:25.840
show up occasionally. I'm looking at this thing, and I
1178
00:59:26.000 --> 00:59:28.920
was like, oh my god, you just draw either draw
1179
00:59:29.039 --> 00:59:33.000
the eighty nine one in there, or later a couple
1180
00:59:33.039 --> 00:59:35.119
of months and you'll have the bruist him one. But
1181
00:59:35.360 --> 00:59:38.320
this thing is awful. That's good.
1182
00:59:39.880 --> 00:59:42.159
They really should have been using the eighty nine batmobile
1183
00:59:42.199 --> 00:59:43.599
because it's the best batmobile.
1184
00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:48.039
It was known the world over. I feel like if
1185
00:59:48.039 --> 00:59:51.400
you had asked me what the batmobile, I would have
1186
00:59:51.440 --> 00:59:52.599
been like. I would have been like, I would have
1187
00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:54.719
held it up. In fact, I have a toylet upstairs,
1188
00:59:54.840 --> 00:59:56.360
like it's just like I would have held it upould
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have been like, this is the batmobile. This is the
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00:59:58.360 --> 01:00:01.599
Batman eighty nine, that mobile. So it's just why is
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01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:04.079
he driving around in this? I don't even know what
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01:00:04.199 --> 01:00:05.880
this looks like. It doesn't look like a bat it
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01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:08.679
doesn't look like again, it's battle Force two thousand. It's
1194
01:00:08.719 --> 01:00:13.480
like an over two thousand toy that only looks like
1195
01:00:13.639 --> 01:00:17.360
another toy if you already have the rest of the line.
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01:00:17.440 --> 01:00:19.760
If it's in very nicely with a bat wing that
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01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:23.360
has three x wings exactly exact, it also has bat
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01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:26.079
wings of its own. Yeah, and then the rower shoots
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01:00:26.199 --> 01:00:28.599
batter rings. You're like, okay, that's a little munch.
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01:00:28.880 --> 01:00:32.360
Yeah. The front part pops off to become a slightly
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01:00:32.719 --> 01:00:35.960
smaller car that you're going to lose the parts to.
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01:00:36.199 --> 01:00:37.440
Very quickly exactly.
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01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:38.679
Oh, it's weird.
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01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:41.360
Matthew Brice read this today and he was talking to
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01:00:41.400 --> 01:00:42.599
me about it, and he goes, that's not a great
1206
01:00:42.679 --> 01:00:45.119
batmobile and I was like, yeah, but that's what it
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01:00:45.239 --> 01:00:46.559
was at the time. And he looked it up and
1208
01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:48.239
he's like, yeah, that was a batmobile at the time,
1209
01:00:48.880 --> 01:00:50.679
So you can't be mad at Steve Irwin a Valley.
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01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:53.519
I'm one hundred percent sure that if he had been
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01:00:53.519 --> 01:00:56.920
given the ability to design any one shoes which one
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01:00:56.960 --> 01:00:58.360
he wanted, he would have come up with something that
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01:00:58.480 --> 01:01:01.000
looked great. And I'm sure this looks better than half
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01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:02.800
of the other appearances. It's just one of those things
1215
01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:04.679
where I look at this and I'm like, you were
1216
01:01:04.719 --> 01:01:09.039
in charge of a multi million or multi billion dollar
1217
01:01:09.199 --> 01:01:11.239
brand at this point. Why is he driving around in
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01:01:11.320 --> 01:01:13.039
this thing? Like there's not even a toy of this?
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01:01:13.400 --> 01:01:15.400
Or if I handed this book to somebody that said
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01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:18.519
you want Slade Wilson's bike, or do you want this batmobile?
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01:01:18.639 --> 01:01:22.960
And he wants people walking away going the Slades. That's
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01:01:23.000 --> 01:01:28.199
his vehicle, right, He's always on a bike. All right, Okay,
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01:01:28.840 --> 01:01:30.679
I've got two more notes here and then I'll turn
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01:01:30.719 --> 01:01:32.599
over to you guys for anything left unsaid. But we
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01:01:32.679 --> 01:01:34.920
got to talk about Pat Trace and the Vigilante.
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01:01:35.239 --> 01:01:36.760
So did.
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01:01:38.239 --> 01:01:40.880
Adrian Chase of the original say, God.
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01:01:41.280 --> 01:01:44.360
To me, why what is this? I was so cald
1229
01:01:44.440 --> 01:01:48.599
off hard. I was enjoying this series so much, and
1230
01:01:48.719 --> 01:01:50.679
then she pulls out that costume and I was like,
1231
01:01:50.960 --> 01:01:52.320
what the hell is.
1232
01:01:53.800 --> 01:01:55.719
I need a little bit of history. Lesson here, I
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01:01:56.000 --> 01:02:00.440
actually own like The Wolfman did, he created a vigil an, right,
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01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:03.599
Adrian Chaseman.
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01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:09.880
Okay, there's a vigilante. Saunders is his last from Yeah,
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01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:13.000
from the Golden Age, gotcha. He's a cowboy looking, but.
1237
01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:15.280
He was a cowboy. Yeah, he had nothing to do
1238
01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:18.000
with it. It's not even like really a legacy. Carrie
1239
01:02:18.039 --> 01:02:20.840
Wolfson was just like this character is called the Vigilante.
1240
01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:24.079
DC happened to have published a character called the Vigilante
1241
01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:25.559
fifty years beforehand.
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01:02:25.880 --> 01:02:27.920
Can you guys give me an I know Adrian has
1243
01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:30.599
passed away by this time, he has died how long
1244
01:02:30.719 --> 01:02:31.159
before this?
1245
01:02:33.039 --> 01:02:38.719
No, he's tyle ran like fifty issues eighty three, eighty eight,
1246
01:02:38.840 --> 01:02:39.440
eighty nine.
1247
01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:41.800
Okay, all right, we're talking a couple of years, two
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01:02:41.880 --> 01:02:42.559
or three years.
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01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:43.760
And he kills himself.
1250
01:02:44.159 --> 01:02:45.199
Yeah wow, I didn't know.
1251
01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:48.000
You got to put a trigger warning on this one, buddy.
1252
01:02:47.960 --> 01:02:49.079
Hyeah, I don't know that.
1253
01:02:49.920 --> 01:02:52.800
He's like a disillusioned lawyer. He's basically like if The
1254
01:02:52.840 --> 01:02:56.440
Punisher was a DA who didn't work out. Okay, he's
1255
01:02:56.519 --> 01:02:58.960
like the DA. His family gets killed, he decides to
1256
01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:01.679
start killing people, but it takes a piece of him.
1257
01:03:01.760 --> 01:03:05.440
They really do it. INDI Vigilante series they really focus
1258
01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:07.880
on like the cost of like this constant murder and
1259
01:03:07.960 --> 01:03:10.920
eventually he kills himself. It's been a long time since
1260
01:03:10.960 --> 01:03:11.440
I've read it.
1261
01:03:12.159 --> 01:03:14.880
That's mentioned in here because Batman is bad.
1262
01:03:15.239 --> 01:03:17.159
Is like the destroyed him, the last guy who wore
1263
01:03:17.199 --> 01:03:19.760
that to destroyed him Batman, who's also like, I know
1264
01:03:19.840 --> 01:03:26.159
exactly who you are, Pat Trace, Yeah, the world's greatest detective.
1265
01:03:26.519 --> 01:03:29.639
Pat Trace. Scoops gives her or she asked for it,
1266
01:03:29.679 --> 01:03:32.679
I can't remember, but Scoops end up having the vigilante cost.
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01:03:32.800 --> 01:03:34.519
Yeah, he gives it to her. He's like, this might
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01:03:34.599 --> 01:03:36.760
help you too, And we now have.
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01:03:37.159 --> 01:03:39.559
A new Vigilante by the end of this series, and
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01:03:39.639 --> 01:03:42.920
that's Pat Trace and also of romantic interest, like she
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01:03:43.599 --> 01:03:45.840
powers around of death Stroke for a while, right.
1272
01:03:46.480 --> 01:03:49.079
Yeah, I don't remember exactly what happens, been a long
1273
01:03:49.159 --> 01:03:51.199
time since I've read all of death Stroke.
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01:03:51.360 --> 01:03:54.119
But she's a legal age in all fifty states, so
1275
01:03:54.119 --> 01:03:56.519
I don't think he's interesting out.
1276
01:03:56.920 --> 01:03:58.840
This guy's trying to turn over a new leaf, but
1277
01:03:58.920 --> 01:04:00.159
I'm not crossing.
1278
01:03:59.800 --> 01:04:05.760
That actually, in all fairness, his wife is in this
1279
01:04:05.920 --> 01:04:09.719
story a couple of times. Adeline Kane, and she's normal.
1280
01:04:09.880 --> 01:04:11.840
He had a bunch of kids, and he clearly had
1281
01:04:11.880 --> 01:04:13.920
this very normal life be where he decided none of
1282
01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:16.519
that was fulfilling enough and started running around with his
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01:04:16.679 --> 01:04:17.599
fancy little mask.
1284
01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:22.719
Okay, he's got armor on now, so you know, life's better.
1285
01:04:23.360 --> 01:04:26.880
What's your thoughts here, deed on pat Trace the New Vigilanti.
1286
01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:29.960
I think that the cover of the issue after this
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01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:30.599
is really good.
1288
01:04:30.760 --> 01:04:32.280
Yes, yeah, it looks really good.
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01:04:32.519 --> 01:04:34.400
I think they just didn't want to lose the name
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01:04:34.639 --> 01:04:36.320
and they wanted to attack it. And I don't think
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01:04:36.360 --> 01:04:39.800
anybody has any big attachment to Trace Vigilante. I'm not
1292
01:04:39.880 --> 01:04:42.360
sure if she makes any appearances outside of death Stroke,
1293
01:04:42.519 --> 01:04:46.880
I don't know, but I can tell she's the kind
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01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:49.880
of character they were hoping it would take off. The
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01:04:49.960 --> 01:04:51.880
Titans Enitor at the time was trying to carve out
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01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:53.719
a niece. Hopefully this would be a character that could
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01:04:53.960 --> 01:04:55.880
be their own title. We see her about. This almost
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01:04:55.960 --> 01:04:58.480
works as a backdoor pilot for to get a mini
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01:04:58.599 --> 01:05:01.719
series or something. I think she's a fine character, but
1300
01:05:01.880 --> 01:05:04.360
I don't have any attachment to her, and probably somebody
1301
01:05:04.400 --> 01:05:06.400
who they killed during Infinite Crisis or.
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01:05:07.840 --> 01:05:09.800
I was looking her up and she has about a
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01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:13.400
total of forty appearances if I remember correctly, well a
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01:05:13.440 --> 01:05:14.000
couple of things.
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01:05:14.159 --> 01:05:16.639
It makes more sense now that Dean explained that there
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01:05:16.760 --> 01:05:20.079
was a real push to give Wolfman his own corner
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01:05:20.199 --> 01:05:22.719
of the DC Wolfman in present or two of the
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01:05:22.840 --> 01:05:26.119
major reasons the nutrient Titans was so successful. He co
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01:05:26.280 --> 01:05:28.280
created a Death Stroke, which now has its own book.
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01:05:28.719 --> 01:05:32.000
He created or co created the Vigilante. Sure he's only
1311
01:05:32.119 --> 01:05:34.440
part of that corner, but he's spinning out things where
1312
01:05:34.480 --> 01:05:37.519
he can. And then my main problem with her is
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01:05:37.639 --> 01:05:41.480
she spends the entire series saying how she doesn't step
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01:05:41.519 --> 01:05:43.679
out of line, and even though she wants to, she's
1315
01:05:43.719 --> 01:05:45.480
not going to. She's not going to. And then you
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01:05:45.559 --> 01:05:47.480
get to the end and you find out that she's
1317
01:05:47.920 --> 01:05:51.920
not the masked killer, but now she is a mass killer.
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01:05:52.000 --> 01:05:54.480
But everyone knows she's a mass killer. She's just going
1319
01:05:54.559 --> 01:05:57.320
to be in the next arc. I was like, what
1320
01:05:57.480 --> 01:05:59.440
are we supposed to take from this? This was such
1321
01:05:59.480 --> 01:06:02.800
a weird It almost would have made more sense if
1322
01:06:02.880 --> 01:06:05.880
she had been the mass killer as Jesse you thought
1323
01:06:05.960 --> 01:06:07.960
she was, which you could have fought based on the
1324
01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:10.320
evidence you were provided. And she got to the end
1325
01:06:10.320 --> 01:06:12.400
and she was like, night, I've lost everything. I'm gonna
1326
01:06:12.400 --> 01:06:14.199
continue to do this and see if I can make
1327
01:06:14.280 --> 01:06:17.280
up for the inverted arc that Slade has. But to
1328
01:06:17.320 --> 01:06:19.079
see her just pick this thing up and be like
1329
01:06:19.639 --> 01:06:21.559
back to her Pilot's the perfect work because it's like,
1330
01:06:21.760 --> 01:06:24.679
check out the Vigilante at APM on CBS, come in
1331
01:06:24.719 --> 01:06:27.360
this fall. I don't know that it worked at Dean's
1332
01:06:27.400 --> 01:06:29.880
point if she doesn't really take off, But I mean,
1333
01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:31.639
at the end of the day, it's a great costume
1334
01:06:31.840 --> 01:06:34.880
looking at it at hindsight. The Adrian Chase version was
1335
01:06:34.960 --> 01:06:37.159
on that Peacemaker show and he was a delight there,
1336
01:06:37.440 --> 01:06:39.000
So maybe she comes back one day.
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01:06:39.679 --> 01:06:42.639
Yeah. She also used the forty four magnum, just like
1338
01:06:43.559 --> 01:06:47.400
Peace figured in that giant fuck you Yeah handgun. But
1339
01:06:47.400 --> 01:06:50.639
they're keeping the Vigilante figure and that handgun looks good
1340
01:06:51.079 --> 01:06:52.920
in Vigilante with that motif.
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01:06:53.039 --> 01:06:55.639
I'm not sure why is that a so you're you're
1342
01:06:55.840 --> 01:06:57.519
the closest thing we have to an expert on this?
1343
01:06:57.960 --> 01:07:02.760
Was that a gun that anyone ever used before Dirty
1344
01:07:02.840 --> 01:07:06.000
Harry or every time I see it after that movie
1345
01:07:06.079 --> 01:07:08.519
came out. Is that just a reference to Dirty Harry?
1346
01:07:10.719 --> 01:07:14.079
I think people used it prior because Empire's a big bullet.
1347
01:07:14.159 --> 01:07:16.559
People go pistol hunting, especially for bears.
1348
01:07:17.159 --> 01:07:21.199
This is an absurd gun. This gun is ridiculous and so.
1349
01:07:22.280 --> 01:07:24.639
I know that sounds weird pistol hunting, but it works
1350
01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:27.360
because you don't have to care. It's not as cumbersome
1351
01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:29.679
and stuff. You have to shoot a huge bullet to
1352
01:07:29.719 --> 01:07:31.519
get through it and to kill a bear. As far
1353
01:07:31.559 --> 01:07:35.000
as using it for home defense, there's no doubt that
1354
01:07:35.159 --> 01:07:38.760
it's spiked because of Dirty Harry. That has no doubt that,
1355
01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:40.840
Like as far as it all of a sudden appearing
1356
01:07:40.880 --> 01:07:43.760
in lots of media, Dirty Harry really really brought it
1357
01:07:43.840 --> 01:07:48.239
because like, yeah, it's not Listen, if I shot you
1358
01:07:48.360 --> 01:07:51.599
with it, you wouldn't like it. But it's also not
1359
01:07:51.719 --> 01:07:54.199
the most optimal gun for home defense. Do you remember
1360
01:07:54.360 --> 01:07:59.719
since city? That's that's what I was thinking, you know,
1361
01:08:00.039 --> 01:08:02.440
because like a lot of people can't. It's a huge
1362
01:08:02.480 --> 01:08:03.920
gun that he gives a huge kick.
1363
01:08:04.440 --> 01:08:07.079
Oh I I'll ask you this, Dary. My final question.
1364
01:08:07.239 --> 01:08:09.840
We've got a story that takes place in Gotham. We got,
1365
01:08:10.199 --> 01:08:14.039
as I said earlier, faceless mob villains here. Would you
1366
01:08:14.159 --> 01:08:16.880
have liked to have seen an appearance from any Gotham
1367
01:08:16.960 --> 01:08:21.079
criminal like Two Face Joke or anything like that. No.
1368
01:08:21.359 --> 01:08:23.760
I like the way they did it for two reasons. One,
1369
01:08:24.039 --> 01:08:27.640
but you have the notable primary antagonist in Batman or
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01:08:27.760 --> 01:08:30.720
death Stroke, right, you have a name brand. But also
1371
01:08:31.079 --> 01:08:33.520
these characters being faceless, it's like, oh, they might not
1372
01:08:33.720 --> 01:08:36.119
make it through. Death Stroke might be able to kill
1373
01:08:36.640 --> 01:08:39.359
the mob boss, Batman may not be able to stop him.
1374
01:08:39.680 --> 01:08:41.960
If it's someone who's got an action figure or they've
1375
01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:44.840
appeared in something else, they're probably not getting bumped off.
1376
01:08:44.920 --> 01:08:47.479
But you don't feel cheated because Batman a death Stroke
1377
01:08:47.560 --> 01:08:50.880
do have the knockdown, drag out fight, which I thought
1378
01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:54.720
was really good. And also I liked the idea. Today
1379
01:08:54.920 --> 01:08:58.520
everyone has such a nostalgia for the bat rogues that
1380
01:08:58.600 --> 01:08:59.880
every once in a while it's good to have a
1381
01:09:00.039 --> 01:09:02.880
story that doesn't have one of them, because there's only
1382
01:09:03.159 --> 01:09:06.800
so much you can develop them right. So here it
1383
01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:08.479
was nice because it's like, we're ever going to see
1384
01:09:08.520 --> 01:09:11.279
these faceless guys again. No, but they served the story
1385
01:09:11.520 --> 01:09:13.439
very well. It didn't have to turn out to be
1386
01:09:13.680 --> 01:09:16.119
a plot by Two Face or Black Mask or wherever
1387
01:09:16.279 --> 01:09:18.760
is running the crime organization. But now I enjoyed this.
1388
01:09:18.920 --> 01:09:21.359
Dean said this before, but the city of Gotham is
1389
01:09:21.439 --> 01:09:24.920
also a part of the story. It's really about location.
1390
01:09:25.920 --> 01:09:28.600
You have to go places. The cops are there, they've
1391
01:09:28.760 --> 01:09:31.520
just missed a person. This is a place where people
1392
01:09:31.640 --> 01:09:34.800
have to act and move and protect. And I thought
1393
01:09:34.840 --> 01:09:36.319
it was an excellent use of the city.
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01:09:36.359 --> 01:09:36.880
I really did.
1395
01:09:37.039 --> 01:09:40.359
I thought it was a well paced story for four issues.
1396
01:09:40.520 --> 01:09:42.840
It didn't feel like it was missing anything. I read
1397
01:09:42.920 --> 01:09:44.880
it twice just because I couldn't get over how well
1398
01:09:44.960 --> 01:09:47.119
laid out all the art was. No, I think it
1399
01:09:47.199 --> 01:09:50.520
was satisfying. I could have done without the checkout Vigilante
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01:09:50.600 --> 01:09:52.520
this fall, but aside from that, I think it had
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01:09:52.560 --> 01:09:53.119
the right amount.
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01:09:53.560 --> 01:09:56.920
I think another thing about not including the Gotham Road,
1403
01:09:57.000 --> 01:09:59.880
one of Batman's roages is just already catered on the
1404
01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:03.000
edge of feeling like a Batman book. Yeah, and if
1405
01:10:03.039 --> 01:10:04.359
you put a rogue in there, if all of a
1406
01:10:04.399 --> 01:10:09.680
sudden poison ivings in there, or mister sass, it's just
1407
01:10:09.800 --> 01:10:11.960
not it's gonna feel even more like a Batman book.
1408
01:10:12.279 --> 01:10:15.399
And it was already a problem that you're running pair
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01:10:15.479 --> 01:10:16.239
points at one point.
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01:10:16.640 --> 01:10:18.800
All right, Well that's all I had here, Darry any
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01:10:18.840 --> 01:10:20.600
other notes that you had listed that you wanted to
1412
01:10:20.640 --> 01:10:20.960
touch on.
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01:10:22.600 --> 01:10:25.159
Again we may have mentioned it, but just a good
1414
01:10:25.239 --> 01:10:28.239
Commissioner Gordon's story. I'm a huge fan of not only
1415
01:10:28.399 --> 01:10:31.479
using the setting of Gotham, but also I love watching
1416
01:10:32.560 --> 01:10:34.640
Commissioner Gordon just be like, we need to do just
1417
01:10:34.720 --> 01:10:37.520
this one thing. Every cop in every other major city,
1418
01:10:37.760 --> 01:10:38.880
we can do this. I don't know if I can
1419
01:10:38.920 --> 01:10:41.840
rely on anyone. And I love watching him get legitimately
1420
01:10:41.880 --> 01:10:43.520
fed up so that he turns the bat signal and
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01:10:43.840 --> 01:10:47.439
the way the first issue ends again, I keep thinking
1422
01:10:47.439 --> 01:10:48.600
of it as a bad end book, but it's a
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death struck. But seeing the bat signal for like three
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01:10:52.119 --> 01:10:54.560
two thirds of a page reecorders of a page was
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01:10:54.680 --> 01:10:56.920
great because it's like, Nope, I'm throwing my hands up,
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01:10:57.039 --> 01:10:59.680
I need help. This is outside my wheelhouse. I have
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01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:02.640
to and help, and then the Batman arrives again. It's
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01:11:02.720 --> 01:11:04.479
more going to the art. But I just think that
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for all the criticism I've had of him, I think
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Wolfman really used these characters very well. And it's not
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01:11:09.680 --> 01:11:12.239
a surprise because obviously he knows them inside and out.
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01:11:12.600 --> 01:11:14.880
He understands the way to the story. The other thing
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01:11:14.920 --> 01:11:18.680
I will say is. I really do like watching when
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Batman has to convince other characters that they shouldn't kill someone.
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01:11:23.439 --> 01:11:26.000
Not so much because I don't necessarily think it's the
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01:11:26.039 --> 01:11:29.880
best way, but that's his hang up, right, Like the
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01:11:29.960 --> 01:11:31.720
Riddler has to give you a riddle, two Face has
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01:11:31.760 --> 01:11:34.520
to flip this coin, Joker has to see the anarchy
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01:11:34.680 --> 01:11:38.119
and something. Batman has to convince you you don't have
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01:11:38.319 --> 01:11:40.800
to kill them, like that's his thing, and I thought
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01:11:40.840 --> 01:11:42.640
that was really used well in the story as a
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01:11:42.720 --> 01:11:45.039
nice compared address with Slave. I had never heard of
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01:11:45.079 --> 01:11:47.119
this story before, but I really enjoyed reading it, and
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I would recommend it.
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01:11:48.399 --> 01:11:53.600
When Batman's always like in people in the superhero comics,
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01:11:53.640 --> 01:11:55.319
even though the G. I. Joe comics, when people are
1447
01:11:55.319 --> 01:11:57.960
about to kill somebody who deserves it but they can't
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01:11:58.000 --> 01:12:00.760
for whatever reason, they're always like, no, what he deserves
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01:12:00.800 --> 01:12:04.479
to die more than this piece of shit. Like the
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01:12:04.560 --> 01:12:06.960
last issues it was the storm Shadow and Steak Eyes
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01:12:07.000 --> 01:12:10.000
and the staw Viper, and this time it was it's like,
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01:12:10.119 --> 01:12:15.399
you know, it's like, uh, that Barker, Guy, Barker, Yeah, yeah, Barker.
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01:12:15.600 --> 01:12:17.520
We have that whole scene at the end of the
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epilogue where she shows up and it's like, God, you
1455
01:12:20.000 --> 01:12:22.399
just wanted to pull a trigger, But of course not.
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01:12:22.640 --> 01:12:25.600
It's not a punisher book, right, But that's important.
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01:12:25.159 --> 01:12:29.239
Too, because the reason the Punisher is so I don't
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01:12:29.359 --> 01:12:31.479
say good at it, but the reason it makes sense
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01:12:31.520 --> 01:12:35.279
that his narrative is Frank doesn't have this same set
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01:12:35.439 --> 01:12:38.920
of hang ups that the Batman does, and they explain it.
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01:12:39.119 --> 01:12:41.319
Even if sometimes you agree with one character or the other,
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01:12:41.800 --> 01:12:44.720
it's honest for the character. That makes the story more
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01:12:44.720 --> 01:12:47.600
compelling because Batman's life would be much easier. He was
1464
01:12:47.680 --> 01:12:50.239
okay with killing, and maybe it would make the story
1465
01:12:50.319 --> 01:12:52.319
more difficult, but at the end of the day, that's
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01:12:52.399 --> 01:12:55.399
his personal hang up, that's his weirdness. So I like
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01:12:55.520 --> 01:12:57.680
seeing it pushed up against someone else who's like, why
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01:12:57.720 --> 01:12:59.399
are you making your life so much more difficult than
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01:12:59.439 --> 01:13:02.159
it has to be? I thought that was great.
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01:13:02.640 --> 01:13:05.560
Okay, So there was the part where pat Trace has
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her friend lie to the police so that she can
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01:13:08.119 --> 01:13:11.680
get away, but she puts on like a fake accent.
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01:13:11.760 --> 01:13:12.600
Why do you have to do that?
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01:13:13.119 --> 01:13:14.880
Why you have to why you got to be racist?
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01:13:14.960 --> 01:13:17.600
You can just say, hey, it's not here. You don't
1476
01:13:17.640 --> 01:13:21.760
have to be all like yo, me, no, comprende like,
1477
01:13:21.880 --> 01:13:24.640
it's weird. It feels so icky now. I think I
1478
01:13:24.640 --> 01:13:26.319
would have thought it was out of place at the time,
1479
01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:28.760
but now I'm just like, oh, that's not very good.
1480
01:13:29.000 --> 01:13:31.239
I remember that setting me off a little bit. We've
1481
01:13:31.279 --> 01:13:34.760
talked about everything else that makes this a really worthwhile read.
1482
01:13:35.159 --> 01:13:38.920
I'm not sure why it's not collected more often, because
1483
01:13:38.920 --> 01:13:41.960
it's you know, it's it's it's probably because Batman loses.
1484
01:13:42.000 --> 01:13:45.960
It's probably Batman loses a fight. Yeah, but it's a
1485
01:13:46.039 --> 01:13:48.920
nice four issue high oxane run. You got it very
1486
01:13:48.960 --> 01:13:51.960
hard to get through if you like Batman or Death
1487
01:13:52.000 --> 01:13:55.359
Stroke or the DC universe at all. It's fun because
1488
01:13:55.399 --> 01:13:58.640
this is the first time these characters interact. They've kind
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01:13:58.680 --> 01:14:01.399
of know that Bruce Wayne's Batman because like it's Bruce Wayne.
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01:14:02.079 --> 01:14:04.640
He tells Winter Green get him out of my city.
1491
01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:06.520
Yeah, yeah, he's.
1492
01:14:06.399 --> 01:14:08.479
Got like Winter Green's got to know. How many people
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01:14:08.560 --> 01:14:09.800
know this secret? Now, Bruce?
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01:14:10.239 --> 01:14:14.279
Yeah, if your legs are crushed and you are flung
1495
01:14:14.439 --> 01:14:18.079
from an overpass onto a truck, do you think there
1496
01:14:18.159 --> 01:14:21.479
is not going to be any more damage done?
1497
01:14:23.079 --> 01:14:26.159
I think that death Drug doesn't care about damage, except
1498
01:14:27.039 --> 01:14:28.880
in the case of the amount he can inflict.
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01:14:29.119 --> 01:14:32.840
Okay, Jesse, ninety percent of his brain.
1500
01:14:33.199 --> 01:14:35.359
Okay, wait, I forgot.
1501
01:14:37.359 --> 01:14:41.840
Brain. He could tell clearly some of that is gonna
1502
01:14:42.800 --> 01:14:45.279
make a part of your brain that makes you a doctor.
1503
01:14:45.439 --> 01:14:45.920
He uses.
1504
01:14:46.159 --> 01:14:48.319
What I love about it is he's like, my legs
1505
01:14:48.359 --> 01:14:50.600
are crushed, and then we find out later that his
1506
01:14:50.760 --> 01:14:53.319
legs aren't crushed. So yes, you could have done more
1507
01:14:53.399 --> 01:14:57.079
damage jumping off of the overpass even though his legs
1508
01:14:57.119 --> 01:14:58.680
were not crushed. That's funny stuff.
1509
01:14:59.119 --> 01:15:02.199
Funny because I they talk about him being a contract killer.
1510
01:15:02.760 --> 01:15:05.119
It's like, at what point is it, Oh, hey, I
1511
01:15:05.199 --> 01:15:07.079
need you to kill someone. Well, I'm not doing that.
1512
01:15:07.279 --> 01:15:09.159
It's for a lot of money. No, I understand, but
1513
01:15:09.159 --> 01:15:10.520
I don't want to be punched in the face by
1514
01:15:10.560 --> 01:15:13.359
a guy wearing a bat leather costume. This guy's like, nah,
1515
01:15:13.399 --> 01:15:15.079
I'll take you out, and I'll take out death Stroke.
1516
01:15:15.119 --> 01:15:17.279
I'll take out all the cops. I'm not afraid of anyone.
1517
01:15:17.399 --> 01:15:21.520
It's like, man, you sir, have far overestimated your abilities.
1518
01:15:22.279 --> 01:15:29.359
Right, all right, all right, gents, we did it. That
1519
01:15:29.560 --> 01:15:32.680
was Batman. No, it wasn't. That was Stroke.
1520
01:15:34.600 --> 01:15:37.560
I'm killing you. It was one mistake they probably made
1521
01:15:37.640 --> 01:15:39.159
that he can feel like. It makes you feel like
1522
01:15:39.159 --> 01:15:40.359
a Batman death stroke.
1523
01:15:41.039 --> 01:15:43.279
Death Stroke felt like a Batman book.
1524
01:15:43.399 --> 01:15:46.560
Let me ask you guys a question real quick. In
1525
01:15:46.680 --> 01:15:49.720
the DC Marvel crossover world, why have they never matched
1526
01:15:49.800 --> 01:15:51.000
up death Stroke and Punisher.
1527
01:15:51.479 --> 01:15:52.359
It's never happened.
1528
01:15:53.800 --> 01:15:56.560
It wasn't on one of the trading cards.
1529
01:15:56.680 --> 01:15:57.800
It was on one of the cards.
1530
01:15:58.039 --> 01:16:00.439
It was okay, okay, yeah, but that's it.
1531
01:16:00.640 --> 01:16:02.600
Like as far as other things, we're gonna have punish
1532
01:16:02.640 --> 01:16:06.520
your power girl before we get I would read that, No,
1533
01:16:06.640 --> 01:16:07.600
it's literally happening.
1534
01:16:07.800 --> 01:16:10.760
So yeah, I was gonna say, I remember seeing the
1535
01:16:11.079 --> 01:16:14.039
ad sport. The trading card just helped me out. So
1536
01:16:14.199 --> 01:16:16.119
this happened like during I assume on a.
1537
01:16:16.159 --> 01:16:18.880
DC versus Marble trade it was a Marvel versus DC
1538
01:16:19.039 --> 01:16:23.319
trading cards set and set ninety six ninety seven.
1539
01:16:23.680 --> 01:16:26.800
Were they putting anybody over or how did it work? Like?
1540
01:16:27.079 --> 01:16:29.239
I don't think the bag put anybody out. It was
1541
01:16:29.319 --> 01:16:32.520
like very nonchalant for the two yea.
1542
01:16:32.600 --> 01:16:34.359
It was just they had a bunch of artists do
1543
01:16:34.439 --> 01:16:36.159
in the trading cards and they would draw the two
1544
01:16:36.279 --> 01:16:38.840
characters fighting. There would be some copy on the back
1545
01:16:39.000 --> 01:16:41.359
and then in the book you see who won the
1546
01:16:41.479 --> 01:16:43.720
key fights, and then next year you bought the amalgam
1547
01:16:43.760 --> 01:16:45.920
one and some of those fights would end in the
1548
01:16:46.039 --> 01:16:48.079
characters being combined or something like that.
1549
01:16:48.199 --> 01:16:51.079
But there were also fights on cards that didn't happen
1550
01:16:51.159 --> 01:16:53.680
in the books. Yeah, this fight happened. He doesn't say
1551
01:16:53.720 --> 01:16:54.079
who won.
1552
01:16:54.359 --> 01:16:58.279
Oh wow, yeah, yeah, I mean Frank, I gotta give it.
1553
01:16:58.399 --> 01:17:03.479
I gotta give that the slave. No way, pusher wins. Okay,
1554
01:17:03.560 --> 01:17:04.159
all right, all.
1555
01:17:04.159 --> 01:17:06.600
Right, Munisher such as life finds a way.
1556
01:17:08.359 --> 01:17:11.319
It's a Homer pick for all the reasons he should
1557
01:17:11.319 --> 01:17:14.239
be Batman, he should be Punisher. The difference his punisher
1558
01:17:14.279 --> 01:17:16.439
will go where Batman won. Punisher will be like, oh
1559
01:17:16.880 --> 01:17:18.920
you could take more wounds. Good, I don't have to
1560
01:17:18.960 --> 01:17:20.880
hold back at all on you hold this grade.
1561
01:17:21.000 --> 01:17:31.960
Yeah yeah, it's all about the ninety brain capacity, firing electrons, friends,
1562
01:17:33.720 --> 01:17:34.039
all of.
1563
01:17:39.079 --> 01:17:41.920
That's that's why he got divorced. This poor woman was
1564
01:17:42.039 --> 01:17:43.720
like he was coming in and he was just saying
1565
01:17:43.880 --> 01:17:46.880
flash facts for six hours, and she was just like, nope,
1566
01:17:47.439 --> 01:17:49.680
kicking you out. You can see the boys on the weekend.
1567
01:17:51.039 --> 01:17:53.840
You killed him before you get them. Are they all
1568
01:17:54.279 --> 01:17:55.760
know Jericho's alive? Right?
1569
01:17:56.399 --> 01:17:59.880
He killed Jericho to save the world. Jericho had made
1570
01:17:59.880 --> 01:18:02.920
a heel turn. Jericho may be alive now, but this
1571
01:18:03.079 --> 01:18:03.800
is back in the day.
1572
01:18:03.960 --> 01:18:07.640
Yes, isn't there also Joseph, I only.
1573
01:18:07.600 --> 01:18:11.520
Know what j Cohen grand Grant is ravager, and I
1574
01:18:11.640 --> 01:18:17.680
believe Slade killed him too. Yeah, it's tough at their house.
1575
01:18:18.760 --> 01:18:22.399
All right, let's get into plugs. We like I said,
1576
01:18:22.479 --> 01:18:26.920
this was death stroke the terminator, City of Assassins, Dean Compton,
1577
01:18:27.079 --> 01:18:31.279
tell them all about your thoughts on the Unspoken Decade.
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1582
01:18:43.640 --> 01:18:45.800
you talk about other ninety stuff too, Yeah, we'll let
1583
01:18:45.880 --> 01:18:47.039
you do that. Let you do that.
1584
01:18:47.760 --> 01:18:50.039
You like, can play the head of comedic Yes they did.
1585
01:18:50.960 --> 01:18:55.159
They did some sick hair. Hey, ladies and gentlemen, you're
1586
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Comics feed. We've got a few shows here on the feed.
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01:19:00.520 --> 01:19:02.720
We've got, of course, this show right here, Unspoken Issues,
1589
01:19:02.720 --> 01:19:05.359
where it's nineties comics all the time. Go back in
1590
01:19:05.399 --> 01:19:09.000
the archives. We're at over one hundred and gosh, thirty forty,
1591
01:19:09.119 --> 01:19:10.920
something like one hundred and fifty. I think the last
1592
01:19:10.960 --> 01:19:12.520
one I did was one fifty seven, so that was
1593
01:19:12.560 --> 01:19:15.079
our Gi Joe discussion. I go back in the archives
1594
01:19:15.159 --> 01:19:20.039
check that out. We also have the Source Material Comics podcast,
1595
01:19:20.119 --> 01:19:22.399
where me and Mark Radliz usually are getting together and
1596
01:19:22.520 --> 01:19:26.560
talking comics of just about any era, any timeframe. I
1597
01:19:26.680 --> 01:19:28.880
think we have a discussion that me and him are
1598
01:19:28.880 --> 01:19:31.119
going to be discussing the c M Punk Drafts series
1599
01:19:31.199 --> 01:19:34.399
here coming up Saturday, which I haven't read yet, but
1600
01:19:34.640 --> 01:19:37.359
I've heard good things, so those like eleven issues. And
1601
01:19:37.399 --> 01:19:40.840
then there's another dragt series called Earthfall we're going to
1602
01:19:40.880 --> 01:19:43.199
talk about as well, so watch for that. And then
1603
01:19:43.239 --> 01:19:47.279
of course the Snap Material podcast, where myself and Evan
1604
01:19:47.279 --> 01:19:51.079
Bevitt's get together and discuss Marvel Snap. One of the
1605
01:19:51.159 --> 01:19:53.199
fun things I love is learn about some of these
1606
01:19:53.279 --> 01:19:54.800
characters that pop up in that game and I have
1607
01:19:54.880 --> 01:19:58.159
no idea about so well that being said, we are
1608
01:19:58.239 --> 01:20:01.640
getting out of here. That over there is Darry, over
1609
01:20:01.720 --> 01:20:04.079
there is Dean. I'm Jesse Starch and thank you so
1610
01:20:04.199 --> 01:20:05.600
much for joining us. We'll talk to you soon.
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01:20:05.680 --> 01:20:06.199
Have a good one.
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Bye bye bye bye bye bye