Syndicated Source Material #032 - Maximum Carnage Part 1

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Okay, folks, welcome back to syndicated source material. What you're
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about to hear is something a little bit different. This
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is a re release of one of our older episodes,
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and I mean older for sure. We're going all the
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way back to twenty fifteen. I can't believe that's eleven
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years ago. Back then, we tackled maximum Carnage, all fourteen
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parts of it, and we did it in the way
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we used to do things, big, long marathon style, actually
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divided into two parts, but pretty time intensive episodes. And yeah,
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that was fun, but it also means that those episodes
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aren't exactly the easiest thing to jump into nowadays. So
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what I've done is I've gone back and cleaned things
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up a bit, broken into smaller chunks about fifteen to
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twenty minutes each, so you guys can experience the whole
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story one piece of a time. Now, listening back to
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this kind of like opening up a time capsule. Really,
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you've got me trying to keep everything on track, summarize
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what's going on, makes sense of a story that is,
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let's be honest, chaotic. You got Benjamin J. Colone who
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is absolutely ready to analyze this thing from top to
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bottom talking creative teams and consistencies and whether or not
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this story actually works. And then you've got Jason Teasley,
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who's basically the living embodiment of Carnage fandom. He's here
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for the chaos, the insanity, and everything that makes this
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story feel like peak nineties comics. And that's really what
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the episode is. It's three different perspectives, one trying to
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guide it, one trying to critique it, and one of
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us just enjoying the ride and Maximum Carnage that gave
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us plenty to talk about. This is one of the biggest,
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most excessive crossover events of the nineteen nineties. Multiple writers,
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multiple artists, characters everywhere, and a story.
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That just keeps escalating.
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Sometimes it works, sometimes it really doesn't, but it's never boring.
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So whether you've never experienced Maximum Carnage before or you
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remember it from back in the day, maybe even from
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the old video game, this is a chance to get
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through it with us. So sit back, get ready, and
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let's head back to twenty fifteen. Maximum Carnage begins.
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Now syndicated Source Material.
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To Night.
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We've been wanting to do this episode since the beginning
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of Source Material. This evening selection was chosen by my
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friend and co host of The Cheap Seats Guy by
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the name of Jason Teesley, who joins us tonight. Jason
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Teesley is your hair red, sir.
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Yes, I am a psychotic ginger and I embodied the
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essence of Cletus Castill on a daily basis.
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Cletus Cassie. My friends, we are talking carnage, folks, maximum carnage.
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And I could not do a Spider Man related show
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without bringing on talented, gifted title card artists for Long
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Road to Ruin and Soul Exodus are good, buddy, Benjamin J. Cologne.
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How you doing man, I'm doing good, but you may
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regret having me here.
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He does not bear good tidings, folks. He is frothing
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at the mouth to tear this thing apart. Is that
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an app description?
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I do have a few different parts marked for destruction.
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Well, that's good. We will enjoy hearing your input on this.
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That's absolutely so maximum carnage, deezey. First off, this is
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the one that you wanted to you know, you came out.
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I think this is one of the first ones that
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you said you wanted to do. Why give us an
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idea of the why.
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Well, of course, being the extraordinarily amazing fan of Carnelie
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that I am. Ever since Corney's just say you, I've
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just been drawn for the character due to my winning
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personality and my love for everything Chaotis. As Robert Whinfery
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would say, I'm kind of the the resident evil Ginger.
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So it was please this gave me a character to
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kind of relate with because he is nothing but utter
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chaos and destruction wherever he goes. So with drawn for
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the character in general, and this is probably the arc
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that really got me into becoming the in the Spider
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Man comments. In general, it's because of everybody that's incorporated
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into the Mexican Corney charts. Sometimes it was written pretty well,
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sometimes it was written horrible.
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It's a fourteen part story tonight, we're only doing parts
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one through seven. Very extensive crossover across the Spider titles
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that was pretty prevalent back then. A story arc taken
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over and written by three four different people. I imagine it's
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to stay on track easily. Is this one that you
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grabbed off the shelf?
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Yeah, the Spider Spider Man Unlimited one, which is the
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kickoff the Mexican Party. I actually have a autograph coffee
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and oh really, that's how I cannible. Yeah, I can
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the illustrator who done it is that autograph that is
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on it. It's actually one of the I think it's
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ken of like two hundred on the Austentisity skipped like
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number ten of two hundred. That was kind of cool
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because back in the nineties an autograph comic book was
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kind of a big deal. It's a number one. Number
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one issue was kicking off the Yeah, especially checking out
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such a huge art the Maximum Carty's was to be
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because right there it says one of fourteen. So thinking
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back then, you know the high side, I was like, well,
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this is going to be kind of a big deal.
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So I picked it up. Then my mom at the
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time worked at the Little Mama Pop grocery store think
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got comic books in, and I was like, well, I've
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got the autograph when I want to keep it in
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the condition, So I'm just going to get all the trades.
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So every time the guy that brought the comic books
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in would made sure that he had one issue of
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the Maximum Carty series to drop off. Every new one
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got after my mom, and so I collected the entire series.
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I fell in love with the character even more because
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Carnage is just just that. It's he is just outther chaos, death,
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destruction is is s Forte and That's what I'm all
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about it. If anybody has listened to any podcast, I'm
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on it, I'll bring chaos and destruction. So I kind
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of I kind of rival the chaos instance of what
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Carnage and cis Cassidy Embody.
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Now, Benjamin, can you give us an idea of where
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Carnage came from.
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I was lucky enough to have read the first Carnas story.
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This is back when you could get subscription comics delivered
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to your home. That that was right around the time
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that I was, you know, well into my Spider Man reading.
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But Carnage's origin comes from comes directly out of Venom.
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In that first Carnate story, it was revealed that the
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alien race that Eddie Brock's symbia belongs to reproduces once
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per generation, and when Venoms symbia reproduced it was sort
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of in the process of finding Eddie Brock while he
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was locked up in Rikers Island Maximum Security President in
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New York City. His cellmate was Cletus Cassidy, who was
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a psychopathic serial killer. When the alien Symbia broke Eddie
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Brock out of jail, it left behind its offspring, who
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bonded with Cassidy and became Carnage. So to give a
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homicidal maniac phenomenal cosmic power and see what happens.
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Yeah, this guy is off the hook insanity, and just
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like Benjamin said, the guy's a definite psychopath. The difference
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between Venom and Carnage here other than the visual. You know,
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Venom's black costume, the Carnage is red costume. Eddie at
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this time, at this point in time, the Spider Man
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comics has be that he has he gathered a conscience.
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We're talking about Eddie Brock. Venom. He's he's got like
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a he's fighting like a vigilante. Now he's still on
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the lunatic fringe. I guess you would say, but Venom
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at this point in time, it's definitely not got the
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jones to kill Spider Man, because that's all you saw
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when Venom was around in his early issues was just
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the tongue coming out of his mouth. Brains want to
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eat brains. We've we've kind of graduated a little bit
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from that. We're a little bit further from that. In
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this series, we're obviously going to see Venom.
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I'll put it this way, sort of the difference between
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between Venom Carnage. I guess if you want to talk
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like you know, if you want to compare it to
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something like Venom is like Dexter, and then the Carnage
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is Hannibal Lecter. Venom has a co his own logic
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for who he kills in white and Carnage has absolutely none.
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Carnage kills everybody.
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You're okay, I got to collect him for that, Ben,
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You said the Venom lives by the code? Do you
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think as do too? When the City and I had
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bonded with theater and that's the city and I actually
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has still retained some of the It kind of was
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kind of embedded against Peter, but still got imprinted by
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some of Peter's DNA that created the code.
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Brock was an investigatable reporter before he got mixed up
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with the alien. He wasn't necessarily dangerous. It was the
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hatred of a spider man that drove him over the edge,
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and that's why he was just he was able to
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bond so well with the alien because the alien also
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hated Spider Man and they kind of like bonded over
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mutual hatred and they have this overriding, you know, desire
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to kill him above just about everything else.
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Well, before we get in and ask you, one more
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question for you, Benjamin, when Carnage first came out, were
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you excited to see this new villain or were you
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kind of on the fence? What was your take when
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you first saw Carnage.
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Well, if anybody cares to do the math, I think
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I was about nine years old when the first Carnes
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story came out, I was right around nine ten years old.
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So the first glimpse I saw Carnage was just a
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preview of the cover to the first issue appeared in
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the back of Amazing Spider Man comic a few months earlier.
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And he looked really cool and they he looked, you know,
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it was like Venom, only had like with different, like
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weirder powers. And because since it's a theme in most
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Spider Man comics that Spider Man is getting his ass
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kicked on the cover and that was that happened to
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be one of them, and it looked interesting. And when
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I the very first thing Carnege does in the first
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story he appears in is kill a character that's been
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like a minor supporting character and amazing Spider Man for
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like at least the previous couple of years. Right off
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the bat, you get an idea of what he's about.
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By the end of the first issue, you're told everything
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you need to know about him, what Spider Man is
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dealing with. That issue ends with Spider Man deciding he
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needs to team up with Venom to take out Carnage. So,
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given everything we had known about Venom and everything that
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we know about how much he hates Spider Man and
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how what lengths Spider Man had gone to stop him,
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the fact that he came to this realization of you know,
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this guy is so dangerous and stronger, and I am
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that I have to team up with this guy who
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wants to kill me and probably eat me in order
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to stop him.
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That was a big deal.
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That was a good introduction. I enjoyed the first Venom,
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the first Carnate story a lot, I would say, and
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I say it's about Venom too, because I'm not the
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biggest Venom fan. I like carneg Is a little bit more,
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just because he's more straightforward and what he's about. But
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I also say I like carnage in small doses. The
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first Carnas story was a three part story, and that
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was a small dose. Maximum carnage is an overdose.
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There.
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Maximum carnage is an overdose in the same way the
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Reanimator was an overdose in that the corpse is dead
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and resurrected and then killed again.
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Yeah, that's a very apt comparison. We're covering the first
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seven of fourteen, folks, and honestly, I can't think of
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any other story arc that's ever went, you know, part
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to part fourteen. This is probably the longest story arc
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I think I've I've ever read and most likely ever
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cover on here, I assume, but anything off the top
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of my head and Marvel was this was an excess
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to the end to degree trying to beat you over
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the head with it. Now, very cool looking character and
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all sorts of ancillary characters. We're going to get into that.
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But first issue I'll quickly summarize, just like Teasley said,
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we got Spider Man Unlimited number one carrying a three
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dollars ninety five cent price tag. That's because this is
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a fairly large issue. The story itself. Maximum Carnage is
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not that long, but there's like two or three other
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little stories at the back. Almost feels like an annual,
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but it's, you know, a bigger version of Spider Man.
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One of the first things that caught my eye was
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ron Limb. I remember telling you, Benjamin. I was like,
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holy crap, ron Limb is doing this. I was all excited,
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and then of course I get the issue too, and
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I'm completely let down. I thought I have to get
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rid of my two thousand and fourteen fifteen cents of
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comic books and go back to the nineties where it
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was like Marvel was just scatterbrained and whoever got the
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hold of the issue drew it and wrote it. And
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that's what we see a lot of here. But Ron
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Limb the same one that brought us to the Infinity Gauntlet. Gosh.
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I was excited and beautiful art in here. I personally
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love the art. But story wise, we get Kalta's Cassidy
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who's locked up and they're bringing him forward and he
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ends up escaping the Carnage. Symbia comes out of his
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arm and he proceeds to turn into Carnage, and of
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course nothing but carnage ensues in the Ravencroft Institute where
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he kills everybody. He just starts laying them the waist.
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So that's your first four or five pages. Is Kletus
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Cassidy escaping raven Croft. We we're introduced in this issue,
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and we'll talk a little bit about the side story
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that's going on here in a second. But in this
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issue we're introduced to a few other villains. Peasley, let
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me get your opinion on our beautiful black haired shriek.
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What do you think of this chick?
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I'm pretty sure that she was a Kiss want to
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Be band member that didn't make the cut and got
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kicked out of the Kiss Army.
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She does make a lot of references to being a groupie.
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Pretty proud of that too. Throughout this series is a
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grouping and the powers that she has, it's some type
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of a sonic powers, Is that right, Benjamin?
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That's right. That's what we first find out, kind of
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out of nowhere a couple of pages later on, once
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her in carns get back to get get get together
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and break out of the institute. However, as a nod
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to what kind of inconsistency we're in for as the
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story goes on, you know, she sort of pulls a
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sonic blast out of nowhere. That would be the first,
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but not the last time that Shriek will pull a
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random superpower out of her ass. So just stick a
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pin in that and we'll get back to that a
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few issues down the line.
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I assume this is a character that's been reference, there's
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a bit of a history. What she completely made up
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for this series or that answers.
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I think they actually did a pretty good job of
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linking her origin to that of the Cloak and Dagger
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who will be seeing the next part of the story.
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That was a pretty good way to go about doing it.
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I appreciated how they tried to work out.
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Now he meets up with Shriek in the Ravencroft Institute
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and Carnage is like, apparently she's cheering on Carnage as
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he's slaying all these workers there. Carnage pretty much takes
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her along with them to go on a killing spree. Carnagees,
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can you Teasley, what's what's Carnage's motivation here? Does he
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just plan on going out to New York City and
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laying waste everybody?
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Well, his game plan, as he states is one they
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awaken the Singing and I this doctor who thinks chick
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and cure. It's like the pass and anybody knows that
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they're trying to rid around me. In the Cassidy's head
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as the backstories we read is that they are scary
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saving himself through the testing. They awakened the carneal city,
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and he gets a thrill out of just murdering people.
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And the fact that he says that as soon as
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spoder Man and Ben will find out that he's lose
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third one to come after him. So what's the best
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strategy to go after them first and try to catch
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him off guard. And also you got a little subplot
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in the first couple of pages of Harry Osborne being dead,
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and you get the whole monologue of Harry being dead
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and the MJ being scared for Peter, and I like
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how they slid a little at nineteen ninety three public
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service announcement about smoking comparing to how Harry died to
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smoking will kill you. And then thanks for as Mark
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would say, kenon Avery Waims and just pop up, you
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know message at the bottom of the panel. But then
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it starts. You get the struggle between him j and
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Peter as saying that, you know, losing Harry kind of
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makes them rethinking a lot of things, and that Peter
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agrees to quit being Spider Man for a week or two,
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which we try to find out last more like a day.
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So yeah, my honest opinion, I think in these seven
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issues we're looking at a day or two's worth of time.
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I don't even think it's a complete day, because when
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he goes to the Chinese restaurant they're talking about on
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the radio, it might have been like an afternoon they
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had the funeral, went back from the funeral, change clothes,
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order Chinese suit, and next thing you know, Peter Grew's
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carnage looks.
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It was very screwed up timeline going on here.
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Now we have the backstory about the whole dealing with
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the death of Harry and is it his ex wife
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or his wife because molten Man is hanging out with
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that girl. Is that right with his ex wife?
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This is Liz Allen, who has been around since almost
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the beginning of the common She's Harry's widow and they
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have a son together. All of that has been since
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red con By One more day they had to come
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up and the first time. It ain't gonna be the
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last time either. It won't be surprised.
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Oh boy.
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Well, as Carneg's just making his way out Carnes's escape,
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Shrieks hanging out with him. They're going amongst the city
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and they come across what they thought is Spider Man
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hanging out in this like alley. They go down and
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it turns out is a sixth armed doppel Ganger, which
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I believe is what he's called. That is, it's Doppelganger,
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correct that right.
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Benjamin, Yeah, that's what they used to call him because
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they couldn't think of anything better to call him.
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So, yeah, guy, this thing, it is like a ferocious
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spider It's a six armed alien looking beasts that looks
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almost like Spider Man. If you were looking at him
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from afar, he would look like Spider Man, except he's
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got the six arms, he's got like claws, and he's
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got like insectoid eyes and teeth that are just rival venoms. Now, Benjamin,
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can you shed light us where this guy came from?
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Spider Man dabbl Ganger was part of a group of
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evil duplicates created by a character called Megas during the
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Infinity War. Story one of the Evil Dupligates was Evil
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doople Gates Spider Man who actually escaped, who was roaming
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around New York City. He's looked up with another character
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who we will be seeing later on, by the name
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of Demo Goblin more in him in a little while,
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and they sort of were hanging out for a while,
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bobbing and weaving in out of other people's crossovers up
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until you know, he sort of resurfaces a maximum carnage.
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You know, there's not a whole lot to him mentioned
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how he looks. He's got all of Spider Man's power.
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He's he's stronger and faster, he can shoot to raise
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a sharp webbing that is sort of like barbed wire.
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But he's kind of a mindless zombie. He's sort of
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mindless and easily manipulated and easily controlled. And Shriek kind
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of adopts him as sort of a cross between a
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pet and sort of a simple minded bastard son.
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That's exactly what happens if they get into a fight first,
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and then Shreeke takes Doppelganger under her wing. She just
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likes to have him there as a pet. At some
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point she tells him the sick, sick. He has a
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personality of just mindless, and there's nothing there.
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So at this point I want to throw out here,
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this is actually a much more meta story in general
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then I had caught onto, you know, obviously when I
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was ten years old. There's a lot of if you
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know what to look for, you'll see a lot of
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references and a lot of comparisons to like, you know,
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the Manson family and and sort of stuff like that.
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This is this is a story that wears its references
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and its messages and metaphors on its sleeve. The whole
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Twisted family thing is one of them. Real Briefly, when
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going back to Harry Osborne's funeral, Peter is sort of
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thinking about the idea that nobody really dies in comics,
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and that you know, he says, he kind of uses
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that all of the villains that I fight are destined
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to come back and haunt me at some point or another,
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except for Harry, is what he says. Little did we know?
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But you know, stuff like that, and we're gonna and
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stuff like that's gonna come up again soon. This is
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the beginning of Carnage and Shrieks building their own homicidal
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family and going on their rampage, and that's a big
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theme of the whole story. Yeah, definitely.
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So right now we're talking we got Carnage, We've got Shriek,
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and now we've got Doppelganger added to the list. Just
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like Teasley was saying. Peter sees it on the news
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as he's going out to get dinner and he says, well, crap,
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can't let this go on. Peter Parker rips his shirt
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off as the Spider Man costume underneath and proceeds to
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swing into action. He ends up running into Shriek and
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Doppelganger first. As he's fighting these two villains, he doesn't
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realize that they're lined up with Carnage yet, and he
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takes a real good shot from Doppelganger to the ribs
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that's going to come up in a few issues too.
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I wrote ribs down here like three or four times
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in my notes because it's a way of humanizing Peter Parker.
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He takes this good shot to the ribs and he
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feels it throughout most of this series. As he's fighting
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Doppelganger in Shriek. He then finds out that Carnage they're
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aligned with. Carnage he's he ends up knocking Shriek out.
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Doppelganger feel sorry for Get, grabs her up, and after
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nailing Peter Parker a good one, takes off with Shriek
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and leaves Peter Parker in the middle of an alley,
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who passes out at near the end of this issue
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in the middle of an alley because of the.
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Shot he took the ribs.
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Final part of this issue the Carnage making his way
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to the Daily Bugle. This makes me think that Carnage
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and Jamison had a run.
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In before, because in the very first Carnage storyline, Carnage
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kidnaps Jamison with the intention of publicly executing him on
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the center stage of a rock concert happening in a
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Madison Square garden. He doesn't like Jamison very much, and
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that's right around the time when when Spider Man had
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ven him sort of team up to save him. So, yeah,
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they've they've met. Jamison is traumatized. This is a good
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Jamison line too, when he minds out that Carnage is
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loose and he says, you know, I just remember down
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late for a most pressing engagement in Paris.
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Yeah, he's ready to get the hell out I thought
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there was going to be more to this, which there
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might be more to this later on down the road
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the next issue. Really, the front cover makes it look
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like Jamison is being held hostage by Carnage and we're
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going to have a big arc between you know, Peter
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having to save like j Jo to Jamison or something.
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But just to let you guys know, that isn't what
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happens really, and Carnage shows up at the end of
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this issue and you're like, oh crap, he's going to
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kill him. Sorry spoiler alert, and we'll talk about that
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here at issue too. All right, that's the end of
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issue one. Anything you wanted to cover there teasingly, anything
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I missed, or anything you wanted to point out.
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No, Actually, the only thing that the pole end of
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issue one is the last panel you guys was talking
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about is. I think it's just excellent draw. It's just
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just the look of Carnage basically saying we have a past,
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and you're going to help me pull Venom into the
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light so I can kill him. You're going to be
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a necessary to all this chaos. And like Benjamin said,
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the line that he says, I have a pressing matter
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in prayers. But other than that, I think we've got
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a good service to Issue one.
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Carnage is drawn like he's just liquid. That's what's so
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awesome visually with Carnage as a character, even though there's
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a human being underneath, his costume is in constant motion.
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I remember reading a review, or maybe I was watching
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something watching a review on it, but that was that
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was like one of the artist's main goals was to
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make his costume look really motion oriented. That is probably
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the best descriptor that separates Venom from Carnage, because you
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don't see a whole lot of that on Venom. The SIMI.
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It's there, but it's just straight up a costume. It
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makes them look like a beast, but you don't have
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all that going on with the costume, Benjamin, anything else
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on the issue one. Before we get an issue too, I.
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Guess it's worth mentioning at this point you brought it
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up a little bit. Then this is where we're gonna
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start to see a couple of things coming to play.
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Where this story was juggled between four different writers. Some
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of them were good, some of them are not. The
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problem with that is that consistency between issues starts flying
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out the window. We've got at least two writers who
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I actually love and grew up on. We've got David Michelini,
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who I co created Carnage, who's got a hand in
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this story, probably not as big a hand as you
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should have had. JM. Demitaeus, who actually wrote the death
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of Harry Osborne of the issue of Spectacular Spider Man.
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That this is suffering, that this reference is one of
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my favorite, probably my single favorite issue of any superho
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comic ever. There are a lot of bright spots on
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the issues those guys right. Part two is Web of
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Spider Man number one Ndred and one, written by Terry Cavanaugh,
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who is not as good as either of those other
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two people. During the Web of Spider Man issues, you're
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going to start seeing bad puns, Hackney, dialogue, melodrama. Let's
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see all those things. So take it away.
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Well, we didn't say that Tom DeFalco was the writer here.
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And while he is editor in chief of Marvel, I
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was going to.
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Say I recognize that name as editor. Make sure to
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check us out tomorrow as Maximum Carnage continues right here
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on the Source Material Comics Podcast