Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 10-6-26

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Happy Tuesday, everybody. Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show.
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Glad to be with you here on ESPN 700 at 92.1 FM.
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Fun show lined up for you today.
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Gordy Chiesa is going to swing by, talk a little
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NBA basketball.
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Jerem Jordan for some red and blue.
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Is it time to start questioning that BYU should be
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the top-ranked team? In the Big 12 Conference, Jeff Schwartz
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at 1 o'clock to talk all things college football and
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the NFL and Twitter trolls.
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We'll get into some Twitter trolls.
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Jeff Schwartz, we did six years of radio together-ish, and
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back in those days, he was sometimes overly willing to
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engage with Twitter trolls. Now he's been calmed on that,
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and I think this past weekend awakened the sleeping giant.
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with engaging in the Twitter war of words. So, well,
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a little bit of fun with that Morgan Scali coaches
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show is tonight at 6 PM. Always great to hear
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from the head coach to hear from Stevenson Sylvester and
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bill Riley.
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And I.
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Don't know.
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Do you know who the players are going to be
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tonight yet?
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James, have we gotten the notice on who the players,
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we don't know yet who the players are going to be.
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I'll I usually get a text sometime during the show
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that'll let you know who those players will be. So, man,
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it is a really interesting time of year in all sports.
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You've got hockey going on. You've got baseball playoffs, and
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we'll talk about some of that today.
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There's a.
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Minor conspiracy going on that maybe there was some pitch
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tipping happening, some Some reading and signaling being done from
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second base in a playoff game, which is always fascinating
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to get into the gamesmanship, the strategy, the written and
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unwritten rules of a sport, especially one like baseball that
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is so steeped in tradition, that is so old school
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and has so many of these written and unwritten rules.
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But the Padres....
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The Padres and the Brewers with a minor scandal potentially
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brewing as Mason Miller.
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Had some issues in game two. So we'll get to
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that on the show today.
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Also, reports coming out of Oregon that Dante Moore is
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back practicing. He's got helmet and shoulder pad, no contact
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jersey on. that the Oregon quarterback who, if you remember,
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starting the season was a lot of people's Heisman Trophy favorite.
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A lot of people think he is a projected top-five pick.
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A lot of people think that he is the best
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quarterback in college football. There's no real consensus this year
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on who that person is. You know, there's the conversation
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about Arch Manning, Julian Sayen at Ohio State, Dante Moore.
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The kid at Alabama whose name is escaping me right now, Keelan,
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what's his name? You got a bunch of people inserting
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their names. Keelan Russell, that's right. Thank you, James. You
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got a bunch of people inserting their names into the
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conversation of who the best quarterback in college football is.
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We're living in an NIL world right now.
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We're living in a world of college football right now
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where these are highly compensated athletes. And I don't know
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exactly how much money Dante Moore is making, but we
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know that Dante Moore is making as much or more
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than pretty much anyone in college football, that his salary
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is comparable to somebody like Arch Manning, somebody like Bryce Underwood,
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who's just, oh, I mean, good for that kid for
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capitalizing while he could, because his, his paychecks in the
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future are not going to be like they are right now.
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And we're a Utah football station. You don't play Oregon
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this year.
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I guess if you make it to the college football
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playoff and Oregon is there, maybe there could be an
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Oregon Utah matchup, or maybe there's a bowl game to
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be had against the ducks.
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That's always a fun contest.
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That's always a fun little rivalry going back to the
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PAC 12 days. The only reason I bring up the
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Dante Moore situation is these guys are that have an
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executive decision to make.
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Are already professionals now.
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And if you're Dante Moore, I I'm not sure whether
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or not the, like the cam rising situation at Utah
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informed the way that anyone else does their NIL deals.
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We still don't know.
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I still don't know 100% how much of what was
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promised to Cam Rising actually got delivered to Cam Rising
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on an NIL front because he missed so much time
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due to injury. I don't know what contingencies these contracts
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have in place. And if you're Dante Moore and you're
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a projected top five pick in the NFL... All respect
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to the college football world, and that is my favorite sport.
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That is my favorite thing to watch.
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That is, for me, as I've said many times on
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the air, college football is the thing from a sports
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and entertainment standpoint. But I also am aware of the
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fact that a lot of these guys, college basketball players
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even more so than college football players, they're maximizing what
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they can do in the professional ranks. They're maximizing what
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their contract is going to look like in the professional ranks.
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If you're a top 25 quarterback, it's probably a no
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brainer that, Hey, you know what?
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Get back there and keep going. And if you're a
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top five guy in the NFL draft and you could
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still be that, even if you don't end up back
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on a football field this year, Allah, Nick Bosa, Do
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you suit up again for the university of Oregon? Do
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you sit up again for your college football team? Now
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in Nick Bosa's day, it was kind of a no
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brainer not to, right? Because I'm sure he was getting
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some kind of illegal handshake money, but how dare you?
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He wasn't getting the five or $ 7.
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Million that Dante Moore is getting through Ohio.
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State university would never, would never participate in such shenanigans.
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Are you sure about that?
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James?
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How dare you? Are you sure?
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Um, at the end of the day, everyone has to
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make a decision on their financial future and the financial
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present for these guys is changing the arithmetic on this
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pretty significantly, but like take Dante more out of it, right?
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Like let's make this arch Manning. If arch Manning goes
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down with a pretty bad concussion, a concussive hit that
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maybe in reality, wasn't as ugly as it looked on television.
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the fencing response always gets people really freaked out when
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people go stiff. I am probably jaded to that. I'm
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probably calloused because I've seen that in the gym a
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hundred times.
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Yeah.
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You know what I mean? And I'm sure it happens
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in the ring in competition. It happens even more.
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Yeah.
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Right. And I guys are typically just fine. It's happened
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to me and I think I'm fine.
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Yeah.
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Right now.
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We get a little bit squeamish about it when it's
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to a Tonga by low and it's happening once every
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nine weeks.
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And I think we should be squeamish about that.
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But somebody like Dante Moore, who has, as far as
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we can tell this, like incredibly high ceiling, both in
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college football and potentially in the NFL. And, you know,
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being a number three pick in the upcoming draft or
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a number one pick in the upcoming draft or number
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five pick in the upcoming draft guarantees you that like
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$ 24 million or something like that, your $ 5 million current
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college salary, even if they say, hey, we're not going
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to pay you that if you don't play again, now
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you're saying, well, all right, I still need to make
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the right decision for my future. And I don't enjoy
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having to have these conversations. I said it very carefully
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a couple times on the air last year, but Spencer
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Fano could have shut it down for the University of
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Utah had he wanted to, had he been interested in that,
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he could have shut things.
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Down about halfway through the season.
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About when, I mean, I know that the Utes were
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still in the college football playoff picture, still in the
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big 12 championship picture in mid November, but he could have,
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it was a slim chance for either one of those
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at that time.
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Right.
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Particularly the big 12 championship game.
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He could have made the business decision that like, Hey,
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we don't really have anything to play for. Like we,
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we technically we do, but we don't really, Maybe I'll
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just sit out because I'm going to be a top
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10 pick.
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And I don't want guys to make this decision. I
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didn't like it when Nick Bosa did it. And I
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didn't like it when the San Francisco 49ers decided to
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pick him anyway. I want there to be a consequence
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for that. I'm getting used to it because this is
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what the college football world is now. And by the way,
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like I feel comfortable having this conversation because it's, somebody else.
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and it's not one of quote unquote, our guys, it's
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not a Utah guy. Cause I don't want to seem
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like I'm encouraging this or whatever, but if Spencer Fano
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had rolled an ankle last year in game seven and decided,
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you know what? I put enough on tape. And I'm
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just going to heal up. I'm going to avoid the risk.
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And I'm just going to go ahead and ride this
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thing off into the sunset. And I'll be a proud Ute,
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but I'm not going to finish this season. I think
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all of us would have had to begrudgingly at the
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very least support that and say, yeah, man, like do
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what's best for yourself and your future and your family
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and all those types of things.
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I'm very thankful that that's not how it played out.
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But we see guys do it in the bowl games
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and we don't bat an eye anymore. There was a
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time 10 years ago where, when guys were opting out
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of bowl games, when Christian McCaffrey was like, I'm not
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playing in a bowl game. I was like, not you
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too at two Brute Christian.
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How dare you don't be that guy. I mean, I expect,
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I expect this from some yay.
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Who I don't expect it from a Stanford should have
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been a Heisman trophy winner.
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Pac-12 greats, yeah. And it was not just the Independence Bowl.
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It was Rose Bowls. It was Sugar Bowls. It was
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New Year's Six Bowls that weren't college football playoff. I
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think we had the playoff at that time when guys
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were– this became more popular. It was like, oh, not
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in the playoff– I don't care if it's a Rose bowl.
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I'll I don't need to play this.
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Speaker 0 7, I remember very emphatically saying when guys
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started to opt out of the quote unquote, meaningless bowl
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games being like, well, they're not going to opt out
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of Rose bowls. They're not going to opt out of
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the college football playoff.
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And then Utah played in a Rose bowl where like
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four guys opted out for the Ohio state Buckeyes and
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did it diminish the game? Ultimately the game was still
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absolutely fantastic. because it was Ohio state and because Ohio
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state's depth.
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Had Jackson Smith and Jigba and had Marvin Harrison jr.
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And had a Mecca at Buka. You had guys.
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You had on that team. There were seven NFL wide receivers.
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Now Ohio State, you can kind of get away with it,
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but if you had been playing Iowa in that Rose Bowl,
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or even the next year when you played against Penn
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State in that Rose Bowl, opt-outs were a lot more meaningful,
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a lot more impactful for teams like that, right? So
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I remember being like, no, it's sacred. You don't even
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broach this. It shall not be mentioned that there's an
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option here. to opt out of the second half of
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your junior season or your senior season, whether you're injured
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or not. If you're Dante Moore, you're having the same
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conversation with your family that Nick Bosa had with his family.
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Yeah.
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And Nick posted, by the way, played even fewer games.
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He played two games that junior season.
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That's right. It was the, I think it was, I'm reading.
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I looked it up here.
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It was the third game of the season that he left.
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So it was two plus games, not even three full games.
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And interesting because I just wanted to look back to
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see what the full context was. He was on track
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to if he did decide to play later that season,
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he was on track to return in November. So it
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must have just been a calculation of like, I'm going
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to play one game.
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I'm going to play.
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I'm going to come back to play three more games.
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I might as well just get ready for the NFL draft,
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which on the one hand, you can understand that. On
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the other hand, you're like, hold on. You guys could
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win Ohio State. always has the talent. And at that
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time they did too, to win a national championship, maybe.
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And you're the best defensive player. You don't want to be,
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you don't want to come back in November to help
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them finish the job.
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Apparently not.
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So whether or not he's going to play against UCLA
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is questioning. We're talking about Dante more here, don't say more.
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And that's now a meaningful game. UCLA is better than
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people thought they were going to be. They're a top
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25 team. They're at least a fringe contender. in the
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college football playoff race that is gradually taking shape. Oregon,
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you could say, well, we need you, Dante Moore, because
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we've got UCLA on the schedule.
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Uh, we've got Nebraska, Illinois, Northwestern. Northwestern is sneaky. Good
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right now. They're not ranked yet, but they're sneaky.
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Good.
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They've got a road game to Ohio state. They've still
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got Michigan, although that might not be as scary as
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people thought. Uh, they've got a road trip to Michigan state.
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They've got Washington. Dan Lanning is looking at this situation
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and he's saying, do I want my $ 5 million quarterback
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playing here?
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Yes. Does my $ 5 million quarterback want to be playing
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in this situation?
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Or are we okay with the $ 1 million backup with
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the Dylan Ryola who played very, very well in relief
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of an injured Dante Moore.
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And is obviously immensely talented. I mean, he himself was
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a highly touted recruit.
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He was a aggressively pursued four-star five-star type talent who
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has a weird swim fan obsession with Patrick Mahomes. But
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beyond that, like he's the son and nephew of NFL players.
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He's a guy who knows a little bit about, you know,
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what it takes to excel at the very, very highest
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level of college football and NFL football. And we're, we're
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in a situation now where if this conversation were had
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pre NIL and we're talking about somebody who is an
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elite talent, a projected number one, number two, number three,
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number five, even a top 10 pick, we're probably begrudgingly
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in a sort of cynical manner saying, yeah, I mean
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the kid in his own best interest might be better
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served to sit out the rest of the season.
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This concussion, by the way, is not.
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Like a, severe light sensitivity, dizziness and vertigo for the
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next six weeks.
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Kind of concussion. He's already moving, running around playing. He's
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still non-contact.
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I'm sure they're going to make it as careful and
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gradual a return as possible. I don't anticipate that Dante
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Moore will even be cleared to play against UCLA or
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that if he is cleared to play that Dan Lanning
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and his family and everyone would say, let's get you
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back on the field as soon as possible. Even though
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that is an important game, Oregon should be talented enough. Dante,
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his backup, Dylan Ryola, should be good enough to give
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you a fighting chance against somebody like UCLA. And if
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you're Oregon, even though you lost to Oklahoma State, you
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still have some built-in wiggle room here for a college
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football playoff because, A, you're the Oregon Ducks. The brand
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recognition does matter, even though it shouldn't. And, B, you have...
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Probably two more, even though there's only one after UCLA
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that is ranked as of today. You probably have two
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more ranked games on the schedule that can elevate you
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back into the conversation, even if you did. retain a
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second loss against UCLA. It makes things a lot harder.
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You can't think about it that way. You can't assume
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margin for error, but you also in today's world of
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college football, especially if you're Dan Lanning, especially if you're
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a coach who is well-known as a recruiter and a developer,
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you have to make sure that you do right by
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a kid, because if you lose the recruiting pipeline, if
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you lose the reputation of, that you are taking care
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of these young men at a place like Oregon, you're
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not getting the five-star quarterback next time. If you rush
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somebody back into service, so to speak, if you mishandle
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an injury situation, that is a battle. You then have
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to fight on the recruiting trail for the next several years.
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Ask Kyle Whittingham about that. Ask Andy Ludwig about that.
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Ask Jason Beck about that. Ask anyone who has, who
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had to deal with the backlash in the fallout of
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a Jack Tuttle situation, a cam rising situation, right?
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Peter Castelli, Peter Castelli situation. I mean, there's, we.
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Forget about that one. That one was wild at the time.
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He decided not to play the rest of the season
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when they were.
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Packed whole champions.
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There's there's something there where you have to look at
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all angles of this. So eight, seven, seven, three, five, three,
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zero 700.
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It's you. Or if you're old enough, it's your son.
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And that person, let's see what the 2027 NFL draft
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pay scale is going to be. The rookie 2027 rookie scale.
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Is not yet filled out on SpotTrack. What are we
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doing here, guys? But you're securing for yourself. What was
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this year's? What did Fernando Mendoza end up getting? His
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contract was $ 54.
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6 million.
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Over what, four years? Is that what it is? Cause
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you get a four year deal with a fifth year option.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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The number one overall pick your, your 54.57 million over
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four years. So that ends up being about 14 million.
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And a lot of that it's 13.6 million, but a
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lot of that is structured as a signing bonus. That's
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how the, guys basically guarantee their rookie deal is they get,
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they get that, you know, half or more structured into
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a signing bonus, which again, in the NFL, that's really
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all you can count on is the money that you're
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guaranteed at signing or that is fully guaranteed. And in
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these rookie deals, the guaranteed at signing, that's where the
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negotiation comes in. You know how, like it's, it's already
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written what the pay scale is going to be. That's
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something that happened post Sam Bradford, but yeah, that's a
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CBA thing. It's a CBA thing. And now when you
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get these sort of like random November. It won't be November,
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but you get like these early August. Hey, so-and-so has
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finally signed their number eight overall pick. It's because the
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negotiation was happening on how much of that already determined
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number was going to be guaranteed via signing bonus, right?
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How much am I getting up front?
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So what we're talking about with Dante Moore and everyone
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else who's in that conversation, right? And Devin Dampier has
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to make this decision for himself and sooner than later
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because he's got an extra year of college eligibility, right?
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When you're Dante Moore, you're looking at it and you're saying, okay,
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do I feel I have done enough to guarantee my
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spot in the top five? I maybe don't feel good
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about that yet because of how crowded that quarterback conversation is.
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Beyond that, okay, I've checked that box. I've decided, yes,
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I still feel like I will be a top five
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player even if I sit out now I make that
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executive decision now. I know that I can prepare myself.
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I can get ready for the combine. I can kill
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it at the combine. I can kill it at my
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personal workouts.
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All right.
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Now, do I feel like it is worth, if I
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even have to, and again, I don't really know. If
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I have to say, I will no longer collect on
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my Oregon pay, which I get now, which is mine now,
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which I'm getting the checks today.
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I'm getting the checks today.
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On the 5th and 20th of every month or whatever,
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am I willing to say, I will forego the rest
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of this because I don't feel good about getting hurt again?
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Was I hurt enough in that game that I'm scared
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to get hit again? You have to check all of
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these different boxes. Is the risk worth the reward? Do
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I think the reward is virtually guaranteed to me? Because
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if that reward is going to come in the form
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of a 27, 25, $ 23 million signing bonus in the
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NFL draft next year, am I willing to risk that
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either being totally absent or more realistically somewhat diminished by
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getting hurt again this year, having concussion problems, whatever do.
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I need to ensure that.
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That I get that by saying, I will say goodbye
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to my 5 million or $ 7 million deal from Oregon
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right now.
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And am I willing to deal with the fallout from that?
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And am I willing to answer that question in the
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NFL combine and the scouting process? Am I willing to
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sit down in front of Jim Harbaugh when he's just like, look,
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we thought Justin Herbert was going to be good. It's
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really our offensive line.
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That's the problem.
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But I'm going to use Herbert as my scapegoat here.
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I need a new quarterback. Are you really a football guy?
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You shut it down for your team. They're going to
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try to play gotcha. And if this is your son,
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instead of it being you personally, how much does that
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change the calculus and the decision-making process like this? He's
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back at practice now, which I think indicates that Dante
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Moore is going to play again this year. And I
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think ultimately that is going to be the right decision
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for him. I don't think that the injury was severe enough,
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that the concussion was severe enough. if he's already back
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at practice that he's quote unquote, risking too much. But
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if you took what is happening with Tua Tagovailoa now,
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and you put that on him when he was a
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college junior or senior, we would be having a very
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different conversation here.
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Yeah.
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A couple of, a couple of things would factor into
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this decision.
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If I were Dante Moore, one is.
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First concussion is, and we're assuming it's not that serious
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because of what you just said, OC, probably come back
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and play. You get a second concussion this season, maybe
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you shut it down. That's how I might approach the
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concussion thing. The other part of it is much more
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simple for me. If I'm Dante Moore, do I want
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to play college football?
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Yes or no?
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If it's yes... I'm going to play. I don't care
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about any of the rest of that stuff. I'll deal
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with that later. If it's no, then, or not if
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it's a simple no, it's probably not going to be
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a simple no. If it's a, you know what, I
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think it's better for my future. I'm not totally just,
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it's not just an immediate yes, I love playing college
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football enough that I want to risk this. That's probably
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a no.
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Shut it down.
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I think that we in the media and I, and
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probably agents and NFL decision makers, people in college, we
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probably underestimate that. These are young men who love playing
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their sport probably. And when they come back to play
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and we're all like, what the heck, man, you're going
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to be the number one pick. Why would you risk that?
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It's because they, they, they love playing football. It's because
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they love playing the sport they're playing. And I think
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that's probably the simplest calculation is for Dante Mori. If
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I'm healthy and I love doing this, I'm going to play.
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This is a great text from Derek.
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The thing I truly do not like about is the
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sit out situation is the most rookies come out and
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they're not ready. Would you rather be top 10 than
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flame out in three years or stay in college, become
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ready and have a 10 or 15 year career readiness
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should matter more than a paycheck. when you were already
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getting paid. And that by the way, is something we
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are seeing in college football, right? Guys are less apt
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to leap to the draft at the first opportunity, because
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especially if you're kind of like borderline ready and the
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NFL knows that, and the NFL is telling you that,
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and the NFL is delivering a message to you. Like, yeah,
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maybe late, later round pick, maybe even a late first
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round pick. if you're a late first round pick in
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college football, or you're the starting quarterback at Miami, the
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Miami job pays more, not over, not in a, in
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a guaranteed way over four years, but next year.
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It pays a year.
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If you got one year of eligibility left, that's all
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you're thinking about is what's going to pay me.
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What's going to pay me better next year. And, and
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we don't, we don't know Dante Moore. We don't know
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Dante Moore's parents. We don't know his family's financial situation,
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although I think they're probably doing okay now because he's
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already made a lot of money in college.
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However, right?
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When you have $ 10 million and someone says, well, next
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year you're going to sign something that says you get 54.
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Million over multiple years. So you get 10 million times four.
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Are you risking that and saying, well, I really love
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being an Oregon duck though.
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I hope the answer is yes. I genuinely do.
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I hope the answer is, Man, we got some unfinished business.
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I didn't play well enough against Oregon, Oklahoma state. And
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that's why we lost. And I want to go back
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and I want to show everyone we're going to make
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it to the college football playoff. Kate on the text
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line says, look, I think he's already diminished his draft
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stock a little bit.
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Because he's not playing as well as people expected him to.
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So, so come back and play better is the answer
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to Kate on the text line. I get, I get
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where he's coming from, but like sitting at, sitting out
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the rest of the way is not going to help
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your draft. If you're, if you're already, if it's already diminishing,
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if it's already pointed downward in a serious manner, then.
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It's going to get worse. If you sit out, sitting
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out could get worse. If people are like, it's level.
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Yeah.
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You're just like, okay, fine. You can sit out and
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probably not risk it.
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And maybe this question about Dante Moore is not enough
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for people. Like if we were having it about Arch Manning,
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if you're having it about Darian Mensah, Darian Mensah is
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killing it right now in college football.
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Right now, if they voted for the Heisman, he's probably
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the winner. That's how good he's been playing.
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And so maybe Dante Moore is the wrong person. Although
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he's the one who's actually injured.
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Yeah.
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But Man, it's a weird thing to watch and see
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as Oregon is going to have to handle this situation very,
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very carefully, not only for now, not only for this
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particular season, but also for the future of a Dan
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Lanning program that has all the money in the world
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to spend and is one of those top, top flight
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recruiting programs. If you don't handle this injury situation correctly
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with a guy who is in that category that everyone's
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looking at and saying like, well, what did they do
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with the last five-star?
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Oh man, they did him dirty. I'm going to Miami instead.
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I mean, it's not unlike what we've seen in professional sports.
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I can think of a couple of examples in the NBA.
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Kawhi Leonard's ending with the Spurs. He felt like the
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team doctors didn't have his best interest or they were
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misdiagnosing something and forcefully saying, this is what it is.
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And his people were saying, no, it's not that. You're
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completely misunderstanding this thing. And the thing that you're suggesting,
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coming back and playing through this is going to make
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it worse. That led to Kawhi Leonard being like, get
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me out of San Antonio.
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Right.
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And the trajectory until they, of that franchise until they
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drafted Victor Wimben Yama went way down from that point.
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So that, That's what you're talking about in the college level.
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It's not much different. It's probably even more exacerbated because
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you have to go out and sign free agents every
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year at high school recruits or transfer portal.
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Absolutely.
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All right.
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We got to take a break. We'll come back.
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We'll have a little basketball discussion with Gordy Chiesa, our
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resident NBA guru.
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We've got.
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Gordy next. We've got red and blue coming. We've got
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Jeff Schwartz later. A loaded Daily Dump today. We're just
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getting started. It's the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN 700
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and 92.1 FM.
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Peace out.
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Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
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Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiesa. He's forgotten more about the
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NBA than any of us will ever know.
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Let's not get crazy.
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Come for the Hoops Talk.
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Stay for his list of the day.
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My list today.
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Here's OC with basketball savant Gordy Chiesa on the Sean
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O'Connell Show.
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Oh, hey, hey.
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Nothing will matter with your head.
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Baby, find it.
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Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show. Welcome to our
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resident NBA guru, Gordy Chiesa, the longtime coach at all
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levels of basketball. And it's your day, Gordy. It's National
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Coaches Day.
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Sean, yes it is. Today, October 6th, is recognized as
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National Coaches Day where, in all sports, where athletic and
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life coaches are being honored. because of their mentoring, how
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they motivate, how they instill lifetime positive values. So it's
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really a big thing. And think about, Sean, anyone who's
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been successful in any sport, there was a coach in
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your life or coaches that helped you gain where you
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were as far as positivity.
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I mean, coaches, I think, still feel a really important
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role in kids' lives, young men's lives at the college level,
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probably still at the professional level, although I never played
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professional team sports Gordy. And I guess I want to
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start there when you're, when you're talking about the professional ranks, right?
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Like coaches in little league, they do it for the
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love of the kids, the love of the game in
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high school. I think it's still mostly that in college,
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there's some combination of that. And obviously it's an incredibly
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lucrative business and the professional success and the reputation and,
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and the, the winning matters more than anything else. When
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you get to professional ranks and you're still dealing with,
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at the NBA level, all these young people that are
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in formative years, are becoming who they're going to be,
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is there room for coaches to fill that mentorship, father-type
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role still in professional sports?
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Yes, very much. And a lot of it is to
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instill those people confidence. So besides building up their skill set,
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a lot of people... which is perfectly normal, even though
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they're bravado, as far as outwardly inwardly, sometimes they lack confidence.
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And when you're around players, you can see their personalities,
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what makes them go and what makes them hesitant. And
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as coaches, we try to bring the best out of
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each person at their potential. And that's why I always
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talk about you see it and feel it for the players.
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Sometimes as a coach, you know, it's better to, for
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the player that he knows himself of what he can do,
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what he accomplished. Because a lot of times it's like
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a hidden mechanism where if I try and I fail,
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then it wasn't worth it versus the opposite where you
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want to be the best you can be and the
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coach will bring the best out of you and there's
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no such thing as failure if you give it your best.
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And that's what coaches do at every single level, especially
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in the pros. I like to think that every successful coach,
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especially in college and in the pros, they listen, they challenge,
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they develop, they connect, and they inspire. And those five
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attributes is the winning formula between the coaches and the player.
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For this Utah Jazz franchise right now, the coach, we've
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talked about him a lot over the years. Will Hardy
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has been in a really awkward situation where he's trying
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to achieve all the normal goals and the things that
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you just talked about while also playing this game of
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tanking and maximizing draft positioning and things like that. And
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I think I've asked some form of this question several times,
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but the reality is upon us where he will have
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to flip the switch and he will have to be
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the best version of himself. And he will have to
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manage things like playing time and injuries in a real
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way instead of a manufactured way. And the difficulty of
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doing that, give me some sense of the challenge ahead
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of Will Hardy there.
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Well, the accountability defensively. So the challenge will be is
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that how can we remain an offensive force, which the
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Jets really are. They can score the ball, but now
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it comes to accountability on the other side of the floor,
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and that's playing defense. So, Sean, usually speaking, there's an
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element of hurt feelings. Hurt feelings. Because your action players
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do things that they don't want to do naturally, and
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that's why I play defense and defense. be able to
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run down the floor and get yourself set and all
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the things that most times defensively that it hurts. It
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hurts your body to get over screening action. to play
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help to help with defense, to run in transition and
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build a wall, to take away, I will say tonight,
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Jamal Murray's penetration versus the Jazz versus the Nuggets or
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be early position to try to take on Jokic if
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he does play as a Jazz tonight as far as
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him being a laser passer. So these are all things
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that the Jazz have to try to improve dramatically. And
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it starts with accountability. And I'm sure the coaches, they
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know this. And the players I'm sure we'll find out
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very shortly. So there'll be element of her feelings and
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her feelings, Sean are good in the pros, because that
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means that you're challenging them about where we're playing to win.
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And that's really the essence of the whole thing, especially
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in the pro ranks and college and high school, there's
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mixed emotions and, and you want to win certainly, but you,
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you're still developing someone's personality and approach. It's, it's really,
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it's good to business all the way.
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We started the show today, Gordy talking about the Oregon quarterback,
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Dante Moore, who's got to make a decision on, you know,
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risking further injury coming back. He's a projected top draft
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pick all these things, you know, you got to weigh
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in a lot of different factors when you're trying to
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get yourself back on the field for any team. And
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in the, the recent years for the Utah jazz, as
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soon as somebody broke a fingernail, it was like, okay,
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we can shut that guy down or we don't have
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to rush him back because again, you're not really trying
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to win. Now this year you have to manage those
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injury situations a lot more carefully and you got to
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maximize someone's potential and contributions while also preserving their longevity.
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How is a coach? Do you do that?
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How is a coach? Do you handle that with players?
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How involved does the medical staff have to be here?
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Because the Jazz are going to now try to get
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guys back on the court as quickly.
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As they can.
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Yes.
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So the first thing is that the coaching staff added
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the equation. It's based on a medical team. The doctors
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determine and the athletic trainer, they are the key parts
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of it, of a player can play or not. And
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within that, the trainer, especially, he knows the player's personality well.
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and they're innately a pain threshold. Again, certain players can
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play through pain. And I'm not saying long-term pain. I
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just mean as far as you have a sprained wrist
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or different levels of that, obviously. But the trainer knows that,
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and they determine if a player is ready to play.
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And especially in the playoff games, most guys want to play, absolutely,
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in playoff games. But if it hurts them as far
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as long-term, they're going to sit them out. So the
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doctors decide the coaches have no input in that at all.
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Gordy Chiesa is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell show.
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Talk at all things, basketball coaching, NBA basketball right now.
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Also the NBA Gordy is experimenting in this preseason with
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smart basketballs and like Apple watches basically for the referees
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where they could communicate with the replay center and things
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like that. More technology being added into the game of
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basketball and, We've already seen in every sport how officials'
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jobs can get cleaned up.
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They can get calls a little bit more accurate.
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The replays make sure that exactly what is supposed to
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be called does get called in most cases. And now
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the smart basketball, the ball itself providing some data, could eventually,
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not this year, but could eventually change that and dial
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things in even further. What do you make of these
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technological advances in the game of basketball?
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I'm all for it, very much. Again, with AI being involved,
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to say the least, is that it's the next generation
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of it, and it should. So short describing right now,
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we're Wilson Sporting Goods, who makes the NBA basketball, and
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they're going to have this ball where it's sensory, and
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that is able to determine, basically, to help the referee
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make a decision. Sean, for example, if the ball is
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out of bounds and the ref couldn't see it totally
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and he makes the call and suddenly the ball would
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tell the referee, who touched the ball to go out
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of bounds. And I'm not talking about the last two
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minutes of the game where you can go to monitor.
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I'm just talking in general about doing it. And so
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they have the technology to do that. And also with the,
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you mentioned about Apple, it means that the referees have
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on their wrist, they can communicate with the replay center
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in Seacoast, New Jersey, about scoring changes. Was it a
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two-point shot or was it a three-point shot? Was there
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a clock malfunction? And was it, uh, reviewable? Some of
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the different things, you know, really increase as far as
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a takeaway time. So a big factor in the NBA,
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the world's perfect showing they like to have, because the
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TV purposes have every NBA game finished between two hours
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and 10 minutes, two hours and 15 minutes so that
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they could have after the game, um, have the star
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player on the court interview him a quick, they call
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it stand-up, and then the next game starts, let's say,
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at 7.30 at night, 5 o'clock back east, 7.30 here in,
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let's say, Utah, or 8.30 in the West Coast. So
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they want to have the game more concise, and this
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helps the referees make better decisions without going a long time.
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You've seen it so many times, Sean, where players and
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fans say, they keep going to the monitor and they
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keep saying, really, really, we make a decision and that
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takes away the flow of the game. So they're trying
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to make the game much faster, more importantly, accurate based
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on technology.
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The New York Knicks and Carl Anthony towns have not
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come to an agreement on a contract extension. Well, how
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is this going to affect him, them, the relationship between them?
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I mean, these guys are usually professionals about all this stuff,
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but that's a, defending championship team with some high hopes
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for this season.
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How does this affect things?
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It does.
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You see what happened with that. Jalen Brunson gave a
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hometown discount on his last contract, and that helped him
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get the players they needed, meaning they were able to
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get OG and Anobi, and it helped them tremendously as
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far as them and the NBA.
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Okay.
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So the question in Knickerbocker basketball and for Carlton Downs' people,
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he's a CAA client, is that who blinks first? That
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the Knicks offered him a really tremendous contract, but there's
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a slight discount of him not getting the max. And
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the question is that who's going to give in first? Now,
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where the rules are is that Anthony Towns on the contract. Sean,
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he makes this year $ 57 million, and next year, $ 27 million,
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$ 28 million. He makes $ 51 million with a player option.
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So he's eligible for the extension right now. If there's
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no terms, if it doesn't come to terms, then this summer,
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they can get a do-over again. But the question is,
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are there hurt feelings? And those hurt feelings become hard feelings.
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And so, again, this is what happens when you have
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an elite team Everyone wants to get paid, and from
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a management ownership standpoint, they can't do it as far
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as the practicality of it, that someone has to not
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get paid, they believe, as far as equal value, and
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that's where it gets so interesting. And, Sean, that affects
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the chemistry of a team. Chemistry is so important in
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any professional sport, especially in an intimate locker room of
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only 12 people. And if the guy next to you
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is dramatically overpaid or dramatically underpaid, it does affect the group.
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Even though you have well intentions, it does mentally affect.
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You say to yourself, I'm not getting what I'm worth
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as far as my value. And then you're a professional athlete.
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You only have X amount of years in your career
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to make money.
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So if you're Carl Anthony Towns, what is the right
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number for him? If it's four years, 200 mil, and
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they're like, no, that's not enough. He's eligible for a
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max contract up to $ 276 billion. You're a guy who
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knows everything. All these dynamics that you're talking about, the
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danger of overpaying a guy, the danger of underpaying a
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guy who helped you win a championship last year and
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maybe losing him emotionally.
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So what should they pay?
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What they offered him. Remember now, he's also age 31
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years old. So in his world, this is the last
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big contract. In Neckerbocker's world... They're not going to say
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it because it doesn't affect Anthony Towns, but it does
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as far as negotiation. Josh Hart also is up for
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the extension. So the question is they're trying to pay
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both guys where they respect their value, but they don't
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want to dramatically overpay. And so that's where it gets interesting, Sean.
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So the Knicks offered him a fair contract. He wants more.
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Who's going to blink first? Part of that also discussion
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is Josh Hart, who we know at 6'6, one of
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the best players in the NBA as far as rebounding.
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He plays much bigger than his height. And that Knicks
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would like to have both guys as far as being happy.
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They're going to try to navigate that and see if
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they can get both of them somewhat happy. But how
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they do it is when they do it. Will they
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do it during the season before the season starts? Will
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they do it next summer? Or will they do it
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not at all and take one guy over the other? Again,
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it's fascinating. It's way beyond just playing on the court.
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Chemistry on the court is one thing, but also chemistry
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in the locker room is a factor also. So it
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should be interesting how it plays out.
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Gordy, what's your list today?
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Okay, my list today, Sean, is very segway. Also, as
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far as... players, and reliability. So this list today is
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the all-time leaders in most consecutive games played. The most
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consecutive games played, the all-time leaders. And it has a
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Utah-Sean flavor in it. So here we go. Tied number 10,
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as far as the all-time consecutive games played, is Jack
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Twyman and John Stockton. They played a total of 609
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consecutive games. Number nine, former Ute standout Andre Miller played
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in 632 consecutive NBA games. And Andre Miller is one
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of the most underrated, tremendous players in the last 25
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years as far as what he did for his teams
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over the year. He had a brilliant 17-year career. Number eight, Sean,
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he plays for the Knicks, and Jalen Brunson took a
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hometown discount to help the Knickerbockers trade for this guy
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from the Brooklyn Nets, Mikkel Bridges. He's never missed a
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game in his eight-year NBA career actively. He's played now
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in 638 consecutive games. Number seven, his nickname was The
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Horse because people used to bounce off him because he
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was so strong. Harry the Horse Gallatin, he played back
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in the 50s and 60s. 682 consecutive games. Number six,
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Bill Lambert, 685. Number five, all-time, Dolph Shays, 706. Number four, all-time,
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Michael Cage, 736. Number three, Johnny Redker, 844. Number two
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all-time in most consecutive games played in the NBA is
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Randy Smith at 906. And the all-time leader in most
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consecutive NBA games played over a 15-year period. This guy
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didn't miss a game. A.C. Green played in 1,192 games. Quickly,
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just some quick side notes. Ron Boone, our colleague and friend,
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has a streak of 1,041 consecutive games played, including 662
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in the ABA and 379 in the NBA. And the
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last point is this. This is the all-time record that
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might never be broken by anybody in any sport. That
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is Cal Ripken. Cal Ripken of the Baltimore Orioles played
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in 2,632 consecutive games from May 30th, 1982. Sean, that's
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before you were even born, Sean, you and James Peterson.
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And he played through September 19th, 1998. So that's my
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list of today.
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Gordie.
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I agree with you.
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I think that might be the most unbreakable record in
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professional sports, because I don't think people, I don't think
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anyone's even going to try to chase it anymore.
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Right?
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They're like, nobody wants that record. Nobody wants to just
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grind through 16 years of baseball with 162 games played
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per season. They're just, they're shutting down voluntarily now, even
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if they don't have injuries. So that one is going
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to stand until the the earth turns to dust.
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I know quarterback could last for longer. The alignment, it's
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tough for alignment though.
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Really difficult in the game of football. Gordy, you're the man.
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Very much.
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Always appreciate you, my friend. Thank you.
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Thanks, Sean. Peace out.
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By the way, Lou Gehrig played 2,130 consecutive games.
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They just don't do it. They don't make them like
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that anymore.
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Kids.
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As long as we're on baseball with that transition conversations
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with Gordy chains, by the way, brought to you by
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friends at Aladdin industries, your Utah V Lux dealer. We'll
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have a little bit of fun with the baseball game
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last night where the Padres tip and pitches on accident.
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We'll discuss.
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It's the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN 700, 92 on FM.
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Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
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Are you tipping your pitches in your life at work?
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Mason Miller for the San Diego Padres last night maybe
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was accidentally cluing the Milwaukee Brewers into whether he was
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throwing fastball or breaking ball. And the Brewers allegedly were
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able to figure that out by getting a runner on
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second base, which of course you're trying to do anyway.
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You want runners in scoring position. Christian Yelich with an
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incredible stolen base gets the second.
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This is in the eighth inning, if I'm not mistaken.
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And.
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From there on, it got a little bit funky for
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Mason Miller, who had had a great day on the mound.
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The internet sleuths have been going over this, and there
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was a guy who, from the outfield camera view, happened
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to notice that if you're behind Mason Miller when he's pitching...
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his setup, like the way he's gripping the ball in
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his glove when he's pitching out of the stretch, you
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can see more of his pitching hand, more of his
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pitching wrist out of his glove when he's going to
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throw a breaking ball versus when he's going to throw
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a fastball. So if you're at second base and you
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see some extra wrist, you could theoretically tip the batter
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off If you had prearranged signals like teams sometimes do
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by grabbing the brim of your hat or maybe grabbing
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your own wrist and everyone is trying to figure out
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whether or not that is why the pitching got a
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little bit weird, a little bit funky for Mason Miller
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and puts the Padres down zero two in this series.
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Everyone on the Milwaukee brewers seems to be like a
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little bit coy about the whole thing. Cause you can't
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say too much. This is not a Houston Astros. It's
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not a technology kind of a thing, right? This is
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not a, you're using cameras and algorithms and figuring out
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you're not spy gating this thing. You're getting a runner there.
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And then the runner is tipping off the pitches allegedly
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to the, the batter to reduce the unpredictability of what
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a pitcher is throwing at you. You still have to
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hit the ball. You still have to get a good
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read on a pitch, whether you should swing on it
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or not. Even if you know what pitch is coming,
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it's difficult, I'm sure, in Major League Baseball that it pitched.
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But how much easier would it be if you knew
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what pitch was coming? This is why the Houston Astros
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won World Series. There's a lot of rumor and innuendo
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that this is actually something that the mid-2010 San Francisco
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Giants did.
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Also were really good at that.
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There was a particular coach in their dugout or in
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their bullpen that could read what a pitcher was throwing.
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And they had a system allegedly to tip off the
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batters to what was coming. I love this type of gamesmanship,
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weird stuff in the game of baseball, because again, if
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you don't get Yelich into second base and and he's
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not able to tip off the pitches, or he's not
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able to get the right read, or he gets the
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wrong one and tips off the wrong pitch, now are
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we talking about it at all? Now do we notice
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it at all? Do we notice it even more? Baseball
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is wild for all of its strategic advantages, disadvantages, tricks, spycraft, tradecraft.
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Baseball more than any other sport.
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And in college football, remember, there's rule changes now in
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football that disallowed the Connor Stallion situation, the sign reading,
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the sign stealing, because you can just radio communicate into
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somebody's helmet. Sooner than later, we're going to have accusations
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about some team intercepting the communications from the other team.
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That will happen. I don't know who's going to do it.
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I don't know when it's going to happen, but that
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will happen because everyone's trying to fudge the rules, play
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with whatever advantage they can find, even if it's borderline
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00:55:04.429 --> 00:55:10.079
cheating or just flat-out cheating. So a little intrigue, a
966
00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:13.820
little drama in Major League Baseball.
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You'll love it.
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00:55:16.039 --> 00:55:19.860
Hope you're watching some MLB playoffs. Do we have any
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00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:21.880
games on the station this week, James?
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00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:25.739
We have a number of games on the station this week,
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including tonight after the coaches' show, Padres-Brewers.
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00:55:29.550 --> 00:55:33.590
This game, this, this series, this exact series. All right.
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I like that.
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00:55:34.949 --> 00:55:36.940
We'll take one last break here in the first hour.
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We get to red and blue with Jerem Jordan.
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Next on the Sean O'Connell show ESPN 700 and 92
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on FM.
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My father.
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Taught me many things.
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You know what they say.
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He taught me, keep your friends close. But your enemy's close.
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Time to check in on the team down south.
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They have done absolutely nothing wrong, but they're blue.
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This is the Red and Blue on the Sean O'Connell
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Show and Utah's number one sports talk, ESPN 700 at 92.1 FM.
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Rooting for Utah. I'm fine with that.
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A brand new drop for our next guest. You love
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to see it.
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Rooting for Utah, I'm fine with that.
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down there on Summit Ridge Parkway in Santa Quinta. We'll
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00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:20.440
check in on the team down south with Jerem Jordan.
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00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:21.940
Jerem, welcome. How are you, sir?
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.
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.
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.
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.
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00:57:36.699 --> 00:57:39.030
you know, I,
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00:57:39.139 --> 00:57:41.260
I haven't had too many weird stumbles on BYU TV
1014
00:57:41.300 --> 00:57:43.239
over the years, but yeah, trust me. I got, I
1015
00:57:43.260 --> 00:57:48.019
got some bowling alley lanes up at times. So it's
1016
00:57:48.059 --> 00:57:51.300
all good. Have you guys gotten me good on that one?
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00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:52.739
Speaker 0 1, you ever been caught on a hot
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00:57:52.800 --> 00:57:54.340
mic at any time in your career?
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00:57:55.900 --> 00:57:58.539
I think so. And I say weird things, but not
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00:57:58.619 --> 00:58:01.489
bad things. So we're, we're good.
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00:58:03.449 --> 00:58:03.829
All right.
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00:58:04.449 --> 00:58:09.010
BYU remains undefeated top 10 team in the country again
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00:58:09.340 --> 00:58:13.699
after Florida was more appropriately ranked this week than they
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00:58:13.739 --> 00:58:16.039
were in the week previous when BYU was on a
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00:58:16.059 --> 00:58:19.239
pie and got punished for it. And look, they remain
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00:58:19.260 --> 00:58:23.139
undefeated in, I would say, not the most beautiful game
1027
00:58:23.300 --> 00:58:26.940
that we've seen this BYU team play, but winning ugly
1028
00:58:26.960 --> 00:58:30.280
is important. Great teams have to do it at some
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00:58:30.320 --> 00:58:33.280
point during their season. It felt like this was the
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00:58:33.320 --> 00:58:35.539
week that BYU had to pull out something kind of
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00:58:35.699 --> 00:58:40.170
grimy and ugly. in a bad weather game against TCU.
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00:58:40.590 --> 00:58:43.510
What was your reaction to that game being that close
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00:58:43.570 --> 00:58:47.239
and I guess some of the offensive woes that BYU experienced?
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00:58:48.909 --> 00:58:51.750
Yeah, it was good to pull that out because in
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00:58:51.769 --> 00:58:56.159
the second quarter, I'm sitting there going, okay, everything else
1036
00:58:56.519 --> 00:59:00.159
be damned here. You just got to win. It was
1037
00:59:00.340 --> 00:59:04.039
way more wet and the weather affected the game more
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00:59:04.059 --> 00:59:06.929
than I think BYU thought. They thought the rain would
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00:59:06.989 --> 00:59:09.880
stop by the games game time, but then kind of
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00:59:09.900 --> 00:59:12.599
just missy and wet the whole time. So BYU had
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00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:15.500
false starts. They had some grounded snaps. They couldn't kind
1042
00:59:15.539 --> 00:59:17.639
of get the run game going. And obviously when LJ
1043
00:59:17.659 --> 00:59:20.300
Martin leaves the game, that changes a lot. He's just
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00:59:20.340 --> 00:59:23.400
so important to what BYU is doing. And then, you know,
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00:59:23.679 --> 00:59:25.860
both quarterbacks had trouble gripping the ball. And so at
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00:59:25.900 --> 00:59:28.460
that point, it's like just survive and win. I talked
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00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:30.820
to Aaron Roderick yesterday for a minute and he said,
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00:59:30.989 --> 00:59:33.630
every great team that I've been on and he's referring
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00:59:33.650 --> 00:59:36.710
to Utah and BYU, we had to win at least
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00:59:36.929 --> 00:59:38.349
one or two of those kinds of games a year.
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00:59:38.530 --> 00:59:40.349
And that was it for BYU. You also have to
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00:59:40.389 --> 00:59:47.400
acknowledge that TCU is third best run defense to be
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00:59:47.440 --> 00:59:50.780
oil faces here. Let's talk about Notre Dame, Utah and TCU,
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00:59:50.840 --> 00:59:55.460
you know, for BYU to just win the game somehow
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00:59:55.840 --> 00:59:58.719
that was great because you're on the road and it's,
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00:59:58.949 --> 01:00:01.130
it's a, you know, an opponent that yes has struggled,
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01:00:01.170 --> 01:00:03.150
but it has a good defense and you don't have
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01:00:03.210 --> 01:00:05.869
your offensive player of the year in the league sitting there.
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01:00:05.929 --> 01:00:09.710
He goes out with a, it looked like an ankle injury. Yeah.
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01:00:09.750 --> 01:00:11.510
That's a big deal to win that. I thought that
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01:00:11.530 --> 01:00:13.949
was good. You know, 10 times you always been a
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01:00:13.969 --> 01:00:17.179
top 10 team played an unranked team and won by
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01:00:17.380 --> 01:00:20.320
a one score game, you know? So it happens like
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01:00:20.360 --> 01:00:22.880
it happened three times in 84. I've been three times
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01:00:22.940 --> 01:00:27.519
in 2001. you know, in 2024, BYU is not top 10,
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01:00:27.500 --> 01:00:30.820
but they're, they're top 15, top 20. And they survived
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01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:33.099
against Oklahoma state who stunk that you're like, you just
1068
01:00:33.139 --> 01:00:35.409
have to figure out ways to win in certain moments.
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01:00:35.610 --> 01:00:38.309
And because BYU has Notre Dame and Utah still sitting there,
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01:00:38.690 --> 01:00:41.190
I don't know that like stop points even matter, like
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01:00:41.269 --> 01:00:43.989
just keep winning. And BYU went up doing the poll.
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01:00:44.030 --> 01:00:46.070
It wasn't like it was a big deal to the voters.
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01:00:47.010 --> 01:00:48.610
Speaker 4 0 1 Yeah. I, I think the style
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01:00:48.650 --> 01:00:54.760
points thing with the, the new gigantic conferences, And when
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01:00:54.820 --> 01:00:56.840
you have certain teams on your schedule, I think it's
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01:00:57.079 --> 01:01:00.190
an overblown conversation to have. And I know that there
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01:01:00.210 --> 01:01:02.650
were people in, you know, the BYU fan base, a
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01:01:02.670 --> 01:01:06.449
small segment that wanted Kalani to be running up scores
1079
01:01:06.510 --> 01:01:07.610
and piling things on.
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01:01:07.670 --> 01:01:09.610
And it just, it all comes out in the wash.
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01:01:09.769 --> 01:01:13.090
I mean, it's a normal reaction to have to, to
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01:01:13.159 --> 01:01:15.699
not running up scores and then to winning a close
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01:01:15.739 --> 01:01:18.320
game against the TCU team that may or may not
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01:01:18.360 --> 01:01:18.800
be great.
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01:01:18.960 --> 01:01:19.840
May or may not be good.
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01:01:19.980 --> 01:01:22.559
Even I agree with you on their defense at the
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01:01:22.579 --> 01:01:27.059
very least, by the way, but, like when Notre Dame's
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01:01:27.119 --> 01:01:29.239
coming to town and when you've got what we think
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01:01:29.300 --> 01:01:31.340
is going to be, you know, a top 10, top
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01:01:31.340 --> 01:01:35.059
15 matchup against your in-state rival at the end of
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01:01:35.079 --> 01:01:37.599
the day, the college football playoff rankings are going to
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01:01:37.619 --> 01:01:40.360
factor those things in more than this game on the
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01:01:40.420 --> 01:01:41.840
road in wet weather.
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01:01:43.360 --> 01:01:45.989
A hundred percent. And trust me, I would love a
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01:01:46.010 --> 01:01:48.789
style point. That's why Florida jumped 13 spots and then
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01:01:48.829 --> 01:01:55.199
they got smacked and they got, you know, they got put, uh, volatility,
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01:01:55.239 --> 01:01:58.039
but there is a respect for BYU that I don't
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01:01:58.059 --> 01:02:01.079
think they've had because they they've done it for now.
1099
01:02:01.139 --> 01:02:03.880
A third straight year is like, no, they're good. We
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01:02:03.940 --> 01:02:07.079
acknowledge that they won. You know, people don't know all
1101
01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:09.139
the details of the LJ got hurt and it was
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01:02:09.179 --> 01:02:12.030
wet and blah, blah, blah. The point is BYU one.
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01:02:12.340 --> 01:02:16.010
And it's, it's, it's good. Winning feels great. And in fact,
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01:02:16.070 --> 01:02:18.809
I talked to one player who, who said Kalani told us,
1105
01:02:18.889 --> 01:02:21.650
we need to appreciate winning even more like this is hard.
1106
01:02:21.809 --> 01:02:24.670
Like BYU is getting used to winning, you know, they Hey,
1107
01:02:24.710 --> 01:02:26.489
we need to celebrate when we win. Like we worked
1108
01:02:26.570 --> 01:02:28.590
so hard to get to this point. Every win matters
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01:02:29.139 --> 01:02:31.820
and it's so difficult. So yeah. Props to BYU figuring
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01:02:31.840 --> 01:02:32.239
it out.
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01:02:32.320 --> 01:02:32.519
Yes.
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01:02:32.619 --> 01:02:35.400
Was it, was it bear Bachmeier's worst passing game as Cougar?
1113
01:02:35.679 --> 01:02:36.000
Yes.
1114
01:02:36.400 --> 01:02:39.219
Was it one of his grittiest best rushing games as
1115
01:02:39.300 --> 01:02:39.579
a Cougar?
1116
01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:40.039
Yes.
1117
01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:43.639
He ran the ball 15 times, Sean, seven of those
1118
01:02:43.659 --> 01:02:46.309
were for a first down or a touchdown. So when
1119
01:02:46.369 --> 01:02:50.369
he touches the ball, things happen. 16-2 as a starter.
1120
01:02:50.650 --> 01:02:52.969
Dude has not lost to a team not named Texas
1121
01:02:52.989 --> 01:02:53.530
Tech quite yet.
1122
01:02:53.889 --> 01:02:57.469
That's pretty crazy. So what is the story with L.J.
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01:02:57.510 --> 01:02:57.900
Martin?
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01:02:58.119 --> 01:03:02.599
Because obviously you've said it every week and it manifested
1125
01:03:02.619 --> 01:03:06.820
itself again in Dallas-Fort Worth. He is so incredibly important
1126
01:03:06.860 --> 01:03:09.860
to this Cougars offense. How injured is he?
1127
01:03:11.739 --> 01:03:14.690
Speaker 3 0 So injured that client stock. I said,
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01:03:14.730 --> 01:03:17.750
he's doubtful for the game Friday. And if I'm BYU,
1129
01:03:17.789 --> 01:03:20.590
I don't plan. You know, I feel like BYU could
1130
01:03:20.610 --> 01:03:23.429
be at Iowa state without him and Notre Dame's coming
1131
01:03:23.449 --> 01:03:26.710
next week. You need to be as healthy as humanly possible.
1132
01:03:26.769 --> 01:03:28.610
And you always have a little banged up. Isaiah Glasgow,
1133
01:03:28.630 --> 01:03:31.489
by the way, also not on the depth chart, doubtful,
1134
01:03:31.789 --> 01:03:35.550
not expected against Iowa state. And then it's TBD moving forward.
1135
01:03:35.590 --> 01:03:38.510
The seriousness of that injury has not been made publicly yet.
1136
01:03:39.010 --> 01:03:44.789
Don't expect him against though. You're starting nickel and punt
1137
01:03:44.829 --> 01:03:47.889
returner to play this Friday. So it is a short week.
1138
01:03:48.570 --> 01:03:52.420
You always already out without Andrew Gentry and Joni Mala Raider.
1139
01:03:52.460 --> 01:03:55.059
The Mooney is ahead of schedule. I haven't heard whether
1140
01:03:55.099 --> 01:03:58.780
he might be available Friday, but there's potential there. If not,
1141
01:03:58.820 --> 01:04:00.940
hopefully next week against Notre Dame. So yeah, it'd be
1142
01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:03.739
always a little banged up more than normal for teams
1143
01:04:03.820 --> 01:04:06.699
at this point. So hopefully they can be as healthy
1144
01:04:06.760 --> 01:04:09.590
as possible and then Next man up behind Isaiah Glasgow.
1145
01:04:09.630 --> 01:04:11.769
I think you always had some good play from Jake Clifton,
1146
01:04:11.889 --> 01:04:14.210
the K state transfer, and then Cialis there will be
1147
01:04:14.250 --> 01:04:17.829
back against Iowa state. So there's some good news. So there's,
1148
01:04:17.989 --> 01:04:19.769
there's a lot going on on the injury front right now.
1149
01:04:20.130 --> 01:04:22.090
I was going to ask you about the Sarah thing,
1150
01:04:22.130 --> 01:04:26.489
because this is an Iowa state team that I don't
1151
01:04:26.510 --> 01:04:28.150
think they can do a lot of things all that well,
1152
01:04:28.269 --> 01:04:31.329
but Aiden Flora, if you don't have good linebacker play
1153
01:04:31.389 --> 01:04:33.260
and you don't have good pursuit angles, he can make
1154
01:04:33.300 --> 01:04:34.070
you pay for that.
1155
01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:36.550
Um, What do you make of the matchup?
1156
01:04:36.650 --> 01:04:39.730
Especially when BYU is defenses on the field, trying to
1157
01:04:39.750 --> 01:04:40.090
stop that.
1158
01:04:40.130 --> 01:04:43.010
I would say run game, Speaker.
1159
01:04:42.730 --> 01:04:45.809
4 08 and Flora is like the surprise of the league.
1160
01:04:45.849 --> 01:04:49.170
I think he's been fantastic. He's one of like the
1161
01:04:49.250 --> 01:04:52.590
four guys that feels like that stayed. Yes. Everyone went
1162
01:04:52.630 --> 01:04:54.949
to Penn state and it's like, where'd everybody go?
1163
01:04:55.159 --> 01:04:57.380
I know it's, I know you're joking, but it's like
1164
01:04:57.599 --> 01:04:58.860
almost that number.
1165
01:04:59.039 --> 01:05:01.800
It's they had, they had like 10 guys stay.
1166
01:05:03.300 --> 01:05:05.519
It's crazy. And who wouldn't want to go to Penn state?
1167
01:05:05.539 --> 01:05:08.179
Like all the tradition, like I get clients talking, Hey,
1168
01:05:08.199 --> 01:05:13.199
they gave him a scholarship right away. And he has,
1169
01:05:13.460 --> 01:05:17.780
he has, you know, paid that off. Well, Saturday, unbelievable
1170
01:05:17.780 --> 01:05:21.239
212 rushing yards on 22 carries three rushing touchdowns. The
1171
01:05:21.280 --> 01:05:24.400
thing that gets me is the two passing touchdowns. So
1172
01:05:24.500 --> 01:05:26.019
I watched this game and I go, okay, I know
1173
01:05:26.039 --> 01:05:28.579
he's going to throw for two. They throw him a
1174
01:05:28.639 --> 01:05:31.739
quick bubble. He's backwards. He throws a forward touchdown. Like,
1175
01:05:31.780 --> 01:05:34.280
BYU's run that play against Wisconsin in 2018 to win
1176
01:05:34.300 --> 01:05:36.730
on the road when they were number six. That was
1177
01:05:36.750 --> 01:05:38.610
a great play. But the one that got me was
1178
01:05:38.750 --> 01:05:41.090
kind of the Chris Leak, Tim Tebow thing. So they
1179
01:05:41.130 --> 01:05:44.809
hand off to Flora. Toss right. He runs, you know,
1180
01:05:45.190 --> 01:05:46.429
here it comes. Power right.
1181
01:05:46.730 --> 01:05:46.929
Nope.
1182
01:05:47.190 --> 01:05:49.920
Just kind of pulls up, throws it over the top, touchdown.
1183
01:05:50.360 --> 01:05:53.059
He was a high school quarterback. He's also their power turner.
1184
01:05:53.820 --> 01:05:57.010
He started an FBS at 8.1 yards per carry. He
1185
01:05:57.030 --> 01:05:59.050
has four punt returns of 50 plus in his career.
1186
01:05:59.070 --> 01:06:02.190
Most among active players. This dude is like maybe the
1187
01:06:02.349 --> 01:06:05.750
MVP to his team in the big 12. He's been awesome.
1188
01:06:06.230 --> 01:06:08.570
And so he's fast too. Like you always got to
1189
01:06:08.590 --> 01:06:10.510
defend him. Well, I also liked the fact that there's
1190
01:06:10.530 --> 01:06:13.449
a couple of Utahns coming in from Iowa state, a
1191
01:06:13.449 --> 01:06:17.139
couple of connections. So first off, Dominic over me, West Jordan,
1192
01:06:17.179 --> 01:06:22.000
Jaguar wide receiver, leading receiver. That's fun. Isaac Terrell also from,
1193
01:06:22.559 --> 01:06:25.349
from Lehigh. He's the leading sack man for our state.
1194
01:06:25.369 --> 01:06:28.989
And then Michael Harper, former BYU safety. He is probably
1195
01:06:29.010 --> 01:06:32.369
going to start because of an injury drew surge, the
1196
01:06:32.389 --> 01:06:34.849
strong safety. And so you've got some connections there. I
1197
01:06:35.150 --> 01:06:37.570
think it's cool. I've always respected Iowa state's program too,
1198
01:06:37.630 --> 01:06:41.239
as a team that is like consistently to very good
1199
01:06:41.300 --> 01:06:43.900
and like tough and like all, like all the values
1200
01:06:43.920 --> 01:06:46.940
are great, like hardworking, nice people. So I, I think
1201
01:06:46.960 --> 01:06:48.280
it's going to be a fun one Friday night. I,
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what I fear is that, you know, the margin is
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01:06:51.980 --> 01:06:53.699
closer than we think. I think BYU wins the game
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01:06:53.719 --> 01:06:55.960
with that. If LJ Martin doesn't play, I think BYU
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01:06:56.000 --> 01:06:59.670
at night is money. They've won 14 in a row
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01:07:00.429 --> 01:07:03.869
at night, 5 p.m. or later total. And then 31
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01:07:03.869 --> 01:07:06.880
and five in the last four years at night. BYU
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01:07:06.909 --> 01:07:09.079
is just a great team at night. And then BYU
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01:07:09.139 --> 01:07:12.360
is a double digit favorite. They've won 18 in a
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01:07:12.380 --> 01:07:16.800
row of those kinds of games. So yeah, everything points
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01:07:16.860 --> 01:07:18.880
at BYU being in the right place. Now this could
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01:07:18.920 --> 01:07:21.639
have been a massive trap game, Sean, because Notre Dame's
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01:07:21.659 --> 01:07:23.880
sitting there. They've already announced it on ABC in primetime.
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01:07:24.179 --> 01:07:26.179
You're probably getting Fowler Herbstreet game day, the whole thing.
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01:07:26.960 --> 01:07:29.530
But I think BYU last week was like, okay, we're
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01:07:29.570 --> 01:07:31.409
not so good that we aren't going to be in
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01:07:31.449 --> 01:07:35.710
dogfights here. Um, let's, let's, let's make sure we're humble
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01:07:35.750 --> 01:07:37.809
and ready and hungry and all the stuff that Kalani says.
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01:07:37.829 --> 01:07:39.789
I think though, I think it cannot be a trap
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01:07:39.809 --> 01:07:41.809
game now because of what happened last week.
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01:07:43.250 --> 01:07:45.159
I just looked it up because when you mentioned the
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01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:49.079
Utah connections on the Iowa state roster, um, I I've
1223
01:07:49.119 --> 01:07:51.739
said this so many times on my show, but like
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01:07:51.739 --> 01:07:53.340
20 years ago, when you and I were in high school,
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01:07:53.840 --> 01:07:58.000
shout out class of 2002, uh, guys, even the great
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01:07:58.059 --> 01:08:02.239
players in this state, they didn't go far afield. If
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01:08:02.260 --> 01:08:05.300
you went somewhere out of state, you went on the
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01:08:05.340 --> 01:08:08.860
West Coast. I was like, Iowa State didn't recruit guys
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01:08:08.909 --> 01:08:11.710
out of the state of Utah at all when we
1230
01:08:11.969 --> 01:08:13.809
were in high school. So I was like, okay, let
1231
01:08:13.849 --> 01:08:16.789
me see if I can find who the first player
1232
01:08:17.510 --> 01:08:20.569
from the Utah high school ranks. And I don't know
1233
01:08:20.630 --> 01:08:24.890
if Google's AI overview is all that reliable, but according
1234
01:08:24.970 --> 01:08:26.069
to the Google search.
1235
01:08:27.399 --> 01:08:31.619
Dominic Overby is the first modern scholarship roster player from
1236
01:08:31.659 --> 01:08:34.060
a Utah high school on the Iowa state Cyclones roster.
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01:08:34.079 --> 01:08:36.670

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you know, Porter Gustin out of
1251
01:08:50.229 --> 01:08:53.500
Salem Hills getting recruited by everybody, you know, urban Meyer
1252
01:08:53.539 --> 01:08:55.819
was coming in to look at him for Ohio state
1253
01:08:55.840 --> 01:08:57.729
and everything. He came to like a Salem Hills basketball
1254
01:08:57.750 --> 01:09:00.279
game in like January or something. It was like, what
1255
01:09:00.319 --> 01:09:03.279
the heck? You know, I was tracking the, the plane
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01:09:03.340 --> 01:09:05.699
at Provo and whatnot. I would also like to take
1257
01:09:05.739 --> 01:09:08.880
this moment regarding high school football to shout out to
1258
01:09:08.920 --> 01:09:11.359
my guy, Darius Matthews, the head coach at Copper Hills
1259
01:09:11.380 --> 01:09:14.590
high school, who for just the second time in Copper
1260
01:09:14.630 --> 01:09:21.590
Hills history beat Bingham over the weekend. who are insured
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01:09:21.609 --> 01:09:25.430
of the first winning season in Copper Hills football history.
1262
01:09:25.890 --> 01:09:28.579
We have sucked for so long, and this year we're good.
1263
01:09:28.739 --> 01:09:29.800
I love it. Go Grizzlies.
1264
01:09:31.720 --> 01:09:33.539
I don't know if I could tolerate either of those
1265
01:09:33.579 --> 01:09:38.439
shout-outs because Copper Hills tragically upset Jordan High when we
1266
01:09:38.479 --> 01:09:41.760
were seniors the same week that we were all involved
1267
01:09:41.800 --> 01:09:44.229
in filming an episode of Touched by an Angel, which
1268
01:09:44.279 --> 01:09:45.550
was very awkward.
1269
01:09:49.510 --> 01:09:53.869
And then let me tell you something.
1270
01:09:53.890 --> 01:09:56.630
When you're a high school football player and you're supposed
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01:09:56.670 --> 01:09:58.829
to beat a team and then you lose to that team.
1272
01:09:58.949 --> 01:10:01.970
And then you have to go see that team again
1273
01:10:02.229 --> 01:10:04.829
on Saturday night after you lost on Friday night.
1274
01:10:05.170 --> 01:10:06.729
Cause you're getting paid awkward.
1275
01:10:07.029 --> 01:10:09.989
You're getting paid $ 75 to be part of a touch
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01:10:10.029 --> 01:10:11.229
by an angel episode.
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01:10:11.640 --> 01:10:15.050
That is not worth it. Okay. That sucked so bad.
1278
01:10:15.060 --> 01:10:19.899
Yeah. Yeah, that was gnarly. I remember, I think I
1279
01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:21.479
told the story, but I'll tell it again. They have
1280
01:10:21.500 --> 01:10:24.210
all this equipment on the track for the Touched by
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01:10:24.229 --> 01:10:28.090
an Angel crew. And I am at this point learning
1282
01:10:28.130 --> 01:10:30.369
how to shoot and edit footage. I know I want
1283
01:10:30.390 --> 01:10:32.350
to get in the industry and blah, blah, blah. I'm
1284
01:10:32.369 --> 01:10:34.770
doing a little five-minute segment every other day on what
1285
01:10:34.789 --> 01:10:37.229
they called Channel One back in the day, kind of
1286
01:10:37.800 --> 01:10:41.039
on our school news. I'm taking a class. It's so fun.
1287
01:10:41.060 --> 01:10:43.960
I'm like, this is great, this is great. My viewfinder
1288
01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:45.800
is on the right side. So I'm kind of blind
1289
01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:48.350
when I'm shooting to the right. I start walking on
1290
01:10:48.369 --> 01:10:50.109
the track where all that equipment is in front of
1291
01:10:50.130 --> 01:10:53.010
the whole student body. They're going crazy. I run into
1292
01:10:53.069 --> 01:10:55.029
the stuff on the track, fall over in front of
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01:10:55.130 --> 01:10:58.539
everyone and just make something out of myself. And that
1294
01:10:58.579 --> 01:11:03.180
was very embarrassing. Oh, but you know what? Tony Saunders,
1295
01:11:03.239 --> 01:11:04.640
our star receiver that year. He was awesome.
1296
01:11:04.899 --> 01:11:07.300
Not as embarrassing as losing the copper Hills. I'll tell
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01:11:07.319 --> 01:11:12.050
you that. Jerem Jordan is our guest here on a
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01:11:12.069 --> 01:11:13.029
little red and blue.
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01:11:13.550 --> 01:11:20.390
So I was state decent at least TCU question mark, BYU.
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01:11:20.510 --> 01:11:23.020
Good Texas tech. Good. Utah.
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01:11:23.189 --> 01:11:23.449
Good.
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01:11:24.300 --> 01:11:27.079
Baylor question, Mark, what are we, how should we be
1303
01:11:27.119 --> 01:11:29.680
talking about the Baylor bears who are surprising four in
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01:11:29.779 --> 01:11:31.779
one team right now in the conference?
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01:11:31.810 --> 01:11:35.470

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01:11:35.470 --> 01:11:37.819

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01:11:37.819 --> 01:11:40.180

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01:11:47.239 --> 01:11:49.640
like they're four and one in their one losses to
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01:11:49.800 --> 01:11:53.430
Auburn where on a two point conversion, they didn't lead
1313
01:11:53.449 --> 01:11:55.689
the receiver. Like we didn't, if he leads them, they
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01:11:55.710 --> 01:11:58.149
win their five and only they might be ranked right now.
1315
01:11:59.510 --> 01:12:02.909
Their defense has really shut teams down. That's like the
1316
01:12:02.949 --> 01:12:06.149
strength of the team cutter. Bully has looked nice in
1317
01:12:06.170 --> 01:12:07.829
the first half against a and M, but then now
1318
01:12:07.850 --> 01:12:10.020
we know a and M stinks, you know, they beat
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01:12:10.100 --> 01:12:13.460
Kansas and London. in, but like that Arizona state does.
1320
01:12:13.500 --> 01:12:16.899
But yeah, that, that, that was a surprise. There's, there's
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01:12:16.939 --> 01:12:20.699
a lot of parody past the kind of top five there.
1322
01:12:20.720 --> 01:12:23.819
Cause it's kind of who's playing for kind of that six, seven,
1323
01:12:23.859 --> 01:12:26.720
eight spot. Cause Houston, Oklahoma state and the big three,
1324
01:12:26.760 --> 01:12:28.800
as you mentioned, BYU, Texas tech, they feel like the
1325
01:12:28.819 --> 01:12:31.800
top five, like there's a line there. but maybe not.
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01:12:31.939 --> 01:12:34.779
I mean, Baylor's coming to Provo in November. That's something
1327
01:12:34.800 --> 01:12:37.880
to be aware of. And if Lagway plays well, they've
1328
01:12:37.899 --> 01:12:40.359
got a chance of that defense. So that was, that
1329
01:12:40.390 --> 01:12:41.949
was very interesting over the weekend.
1330
01:12:41.970 --> 01:12:44.989
Speaker 0 7, Baylor's schedule, by the way, not really
1331
01:12:45.050 --> 01:12:50.649
friendly at the back half, Iowa state, BYU, Texas tech, Houston,
1332
01:12:50.729 --> 01:12:51.329
all to finish.
1333
01:12:52.550 --> 01:12:52.770
Yeah.
1334
01:12:52.789 --> 01:12:55.649
Better get some wins now. Cause you're losing at least
1335
01:12:55.689 --> 01:12:58.510
two of those Well, the final three, I mean, any,
1336
01:12:58.630 --> 01:13:00.569
even if BYU and Utah were playing that last three,
1337
01:13:00.590 --> 01:13:02.590
it'd be like, there's a loss or two in there
1338
01:13:02.630 --> 01:13:03.590
for almost anybody.
1339
01:13:03.670 --> 01:13:07.470
Well, this, this is also interesting for me because, you know,
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01:13:07.710 --> 01:13:10.649
obviously everyone here in state has November 7th circled for
1341
01:13:10.710 --> 01:13:15.869
obvious reasons, but Utah plays Arizona the next week. That
1342
01:13:15.930 --> 01:13:18.189
is not a roll your helmet out and get a
1343
01:13:18.210 --> 01:13:23.850
win type game. And now BYU plays Baylor the next week.
1344
01:13:23.949 --> 01:13:27.050
So like both of these coaching staffs, are going to
1345
01:13:27.090 --> 01:13:29.510
have to make sure that you don't just empty the
1346
01:13:29.550 --> 01:13:32.720
gas tank in a rivalry game and then not be
1347
01:13:32.770 --> 01:13:35.479
ready to play next week because you got real competition,
1348
01:13:35.560 --> 01:13:38.020
at least as we can tell so far in the
1349
01:13:38.060 --> 01:13:38.979
game after the.
1350
01:13:38.920 --> 01:13:42.420
Game, Speaker 4, there was a stat last year that
1351
01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:44.770
they showed. I can't remember what it was exactly, but
1352
01:13:44.970 --> 01:13:47.489
after the BYU Utah game, both BYU and Utah had
1353
01:13:47.590 --> 01:13:49.909
tended to struggle the last couple of years, both won
1354
01:13:49.949 --> 01:13:51.489
last year for the first time in a while.
1355
01:13:52.189 --> 01:13:52.470
Yes.
1356
01:13:52.569 --> 01:13:55.590
There, there was a physicality and a certain emotion that
1357
01:13:56.890 --> 01:14:00.390
was depleting those teams. So yeah, I don't know that
1358
01:14:00.430 --> 01:14:03.250
the league is like, it's probably deep, but it's very
1359
01:14:03.470 --> 01:14:07.579
wide as Reese Davis described it last year. Yeah. There's
1360
01:14:07.619 --> 01:14:09.960
not a lot of gimme's we thought preseason, Hey, Iowa state,
1361
01:14:10.279 --> 01:14:12.439
everybody left. Oh, you're always going to win that one
1362
01:14:12.460 --> 01:14:15.069
by a million. No, they're better than you think. I
1363
01:14:15.109 --> 01:14:18.640
still think BYU wins and covers, but it's going to be,
1364
01:14:18.810 --> 01:14:20.699
there's more resistance there than you thought. And you got
1365
01:14:20.720 --> 01:14:23.760
to be aware, like BYU is one muffed pond or,
1366
01:14:24.079 --> 01:14:28.319
you know, turnover away from maybe losing the game against TCU.
1367
01:14:28.460 --> 01:14:30.659
It's great that they figured it out and won because
1368
01:14:30.680 --> 01:14:33.779
sometimes it just gets a little messy and that, you know,
1369
01:14:33.800 --> 01:14:35.939
there will be tougher schedules for both BYU and Utah
1370
01:14:35.960 --> 01:14:37.920
that kind of show what they're made of at this point.
1371
01:14:38.800 --> 01:14:41.020
Speaker 0 7th, Houston is such a wild card for
1372
01:14:41.060 --> 01:14:44.979
me in this whole scenario right now, because there's these
1373
01:14:45.050 --> 01:14:47.409
parallel races. I was talking about this yesterday.
1374
01:14:47.430 --> 01:14:51.489
These, these, these parallel races for on paper, at least
1375
01:14:51.550 --> 01:14:54.310
the two spots in the big 12 championship game where
1376
01:14:54.810 --> 01:14:58.090
Utah and BYU play one another. They don't play Texas
1377
01:14:58.109 --> 01:15:00.869
tech or Oklahoma state, Texas tech and Oklahoma state do
1378
01:15:00.949 --> 01:15:03.810
play one another. So it's kind of like on paper,
1379
01:15:03.890 --> 01:15:06.880
the winner of the BYU Utah game, in control for
1380
01:15:06.899 --> 01:15:09.760
the one spot, the winner of the Texas Tech-Oklahoma State game,
1381
01:15:09.800 --> 01:15:12.939
in control for the other spot. But then Houston has crossover.
1382
01:15:12.960 --> 01:15:18.100
Houston plays a bunch of these other teams where there's
1383
01:15:18.149 --> 01:15:22.649
no crossover in the top four outside of that. When
1384
01:15:22.689 --> 01:15:25.250
we look at this Houston team, and we talked about
1385
01:15:25.289 --> 01:15:28.689
them in the preseason as being a factor, have your
1386
01:15:28.729 --> 01:15:31.390
thoughts on them changed? Have they developed? Have they grown?
1387
01:15:31.869 --> 01:15:34.489
Are you more scared, less scared for Houston and what
1388
01:15:34.529 --> 01:15:34.930
they can be?
1389
01:15:36.619 --> 01:15:40.680
They are interesting, right? And regarding scheduling, they play Oklahoma
1390
01:15:40.699 --> 01:15:43.920
state coming up next week and then at Utah. So
1391
01:15:43.960 --> 01:15:46.100
those two weeks will really decide whether they're going to
1392
01:15:46.119 --> 01:15:48.920
be a contender or not in the league. They had
1393
01:15:48.939 --> 01:15:51.960
a weird game Saturday where they were done 17, nothing
1394
01:15:52.000 --> 01:15:54.079
to UCF. And then they scored 27 on the answer
1395
01:15:54.100 --> 01:15:56.630
to win. So you like credit them for the comeback,
1396
01:15:56.670 --> 01:15:58.649
but you're also like, why are you down 17, nothing
1397
01:15:58.670 --> 01:16:00.390
in the game? I don't know. They should be credited
1398
01:16:00.409 --> 01:16:02.770
with 24 and one, the one loss by two at
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01:16:02.810 --> 01:16:05.710
Texas tech on a, on a Friday night, like Houston's good.
1400
01:16:06.270 --> 01:16:09.399
How good is the question? This is the year where
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01:16:09.489 --> 01:16:13.199
I wish we could have semi-finals in the league to
1402
01:16:13.239 --> 01:16:16.600
get into the title game is, could you imagine like that?
1403
01:16:16.659 --> 01:16:18.579
Cause there, it feels like there are five teams that
1404
01:16:18.600 --> 01:16:22.109
could win late this year. Last year was like, yep. know, there,
1405
01:16:22.210 --> 01:16:25.369
there are three good teams, Texas tech, clearly a notch above.
1406
01:16:25.409 --> 01:16:27.510
And then it's BYU and Utah that are right there. If,
1407
01:16:28.250 --> 01:16:32.810
if we somehow had like a conference semifinal, can you
1408
01:16:32.829 --> 01:16:35.430
imagine that'd be awesome? Like one of the Houston or
1409
01:16:35.470 --> 01:16:37.529
Oklahoma state or something is the five seed and they're
1410
01:16:37.550 --> 01:16:40.130
left out and you have You have a couple of
1411
01:16:40.310 --> 01:16:42.609
fun matches just to get into that game. Obviously it's
1412
01:16:42.630 --> 01:16:44.300
not going to happen and it would not work. We're
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01:16:44.310 --> 01:16:46.380
going to expand the playoff probably to 24 and then
1414
01:16:47.100 --> 01:16:49.300
the conference title games are somewhat meaningless at that point.
1415
01:16:49.859 --> 01:16:53.520
But Houston's an enigma still, we need to see what
1416
01:16:53.560 --> 01:16:55.840
they can do again. Like K state this week, K
1417
01:16:55.859 --> 01:16:59.060
state's played nobody. And then they lost the Cincy and
1418
01:16:59.159 --> 01:17:02.079
it's kind of been weird. They're better than we thought,
1419
01:17:02.100 --> 01:17:04.840
but they're not that good. So yeah, it's, it's feels
1420
01:17:04.859 --> 01:17:07.140
like a five horse race right now, but you know,
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01:17:07.220 --> 01:17:15.390
who knows? them pretty good. Arizona only has one loft
1422
01:17:15.430 --> 01:17:19.090
to BYU, but they play a really tough schedule. So yeah, the,
1423
01:17:19.250 --> 01:17:22.789
the expansive league makes it difficult. Like the old big 12,
1424
01:17:22.789 --> 01:17:25.989
where everyone played everybody, you can really figure out who
1425
01:17:26.029 --> 01:17:28.399
the best team was, but I'm not going to complain
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01:17:28.409 --> 01:17:30.810
too much. BYU wouldn't be in the league without this expansion.
1427
01:17:30.850 --> 01:17:33.140
Yeah, no, I mean, it's, it's better to have it
1428
01:17:33.180 --> 01:17:38.199
be expanded. How hot is the seat of Dion Sanders
1429
01:17:38.260 --> 01:17:39.460
in Boulder right now in your mind?
1430
01:17:41.319 --> 01:17:43.659
It's a good question. Cause do you have the, my
1431
01:17:43.720 --> 01:17:48.010
immediate response to this for everybody, like Dabo at Clemson and,
1432
01:17:48.149 --> 01:17:50.850
you know, Lincoln Riley at USC and everybody's like, do
1433
01:17:50.869 --> 01:17:52.930
you actually want to buy out that much? You know,
1434
01:17:53.649 --> 01:17:56.770
I don't know what his buyout is, but he, he's
1435
01:17:56.810 --> 01:18:00.130
such a, a polarizing figure in a lot of ways. Like,
1436
01:18:00.550 --> 01:18:03.630
do you think you can do B do better? Like you,
1437
01:18:03.789 --> 01:18:05.890
you want to break up right now? Like what, what
1438
01:18:05.970 --> 01:18:07.869
are we talking about? I do think it is warm
1439
01:18:07.930 --> 01:18:09.979
because they are not headed in a good direction and
1440
01:18:10.850 --> 01:18:12.850
And you had the one good year, but it's when
1441
01:18:12.869 --> 01:18:16.550
you brought, you know, your son and Travis Hunter over
1442
01:18:16.609 --> 01:18:19.029
from Jackson state. And obviously winning a Heisman is like
1443
01:18:19.090 --> 01:18:21.489
one of the coolest, even team things that you can do,
1444
01:18:21.510 --> 01:18:24.699
you know, and Shador was, was a good college quarterback.
1445
01:18:24.720 --> 01:18:28.619
So yeah, I, it doesn't look good over there. I
1446
01:18:28.659 --> 01:18:30.100
wonder what they want to do and if they want
1447
01:18:30.119 --> 01:18:32.279
to give it another year or not, they don't really
1448
01:18:32.340 --> 01:18:34.930
recruit and a high school kid. So you're kind of
1449
01:18:35.170 --> 01:18:39.039
wondering outside of Juju Lewis, like you're wondering how How
1450
01:18:39.100 --> 01:18:41.000
developed are they? Are they going to make that? They
1451
01:18:41.020 --> 01:18:43.439
lost some notable guys in the portal, like Jordan seat
1452
01:18:43.479 --> 01:18:46.250
and the left tackle went to LSU and then a
1453
01:18:46.310 --> 01:18:48.329
DJ McKinney's at Notre Dame. We're going to see him
1454
01:18:48.369 --> 01:18:51.439
next week, a cornerback. So yeah, that's a good question.
1455
01:18:51.479 --> 01:18:53.239
Does feel warm. It feels like it's getting warmer.
1456
01:18:56.739 --> 01:18:59.590
Jay Hill, Colorado Buffalo's head coach question mark.
1457
01:19:02.409 --> 01:19:04.010
Oh man. Tough for those guys.
1458
01:19:04.050 --> 01:19:04.250
Right.
1459
01:19:05.250 --> 01:19:08.100
They're going through it. It's it's, hard to jump into
1460
01:19:08.119 --> 01:19:10.000
a blue blood and just have it just work. Right.
1461
01:19:10.060 --> 01:19:13.720
Obviously you need good quarterback play a little brown jug.
1462
01:19:13.760 --> 01:19:17.590
Didn't go the way of the Michigan Wolverine. So yeah,
1463
01:19:17.630 --> 01:19:20.630
that's interesting. Cause you know, the hope is you had
1464
01:19:20.670 --> 01:19:25.479
great success, great success and you know, keeps Kalani forever. Uh,
1465
01:19:25.560 --> 01:19:28.489
the reality is there will be teams that come calling, uh,
1466
01:19:28.529 --> 01:19:31.609
you know, USC, it's been pretty public that USC had
1467
01:19:31.630 --> 01:19:34.310
some interest in Kalani, but plenty ever left, you know,
1468
01:19:34.350 --> 01:19:36.979
kind of your, your next guy is probably Jay Hill,
1469
01:19:37.020 --> 01:19:39.560
given how close he was. Right. And how successful he
1470
01:19:39.579 --> 01:19:41.479
was in DC. I don't know what that looks like
1471
01:19:41.520 --> 01:19:43.390
for him, but the hope is that you have Kalani forever.
1472
01:19:43.439 --> 01:19:46.029
And it's not a thing. have to address anytime soon,
1473
01:19:46.069 --> 01:19:48.180
but certainly it'd be naive not to, not to at
1474
01:19:48.220 --> 01:19:50.819
least be ready and, or think about it. So hopefully
1475
01:19:50.840 --> 01:19:53.399
plenty is here forever, man. He, he joked in his
1476
01:19:53.520 --> 01:19:56.520
early days on the coaches show that he was the pot.
1477
01:19:56.600 --> 01:19:59.899
He wanted to be the Polynesian Lavelle. He is absolutely
1478
01:19:59.960 --> 01:20:02.960
the Polynesian Lavelle, even after only 11 years, like keep
1479
01:20:03.000 --> 01:20:07.140
this guy going culturally perfectly aligned with what BYU is
1480
01:20:07.180 --> 01:20:09.409
and wants to be. So let's keep this going, man.
1481
01:20:10.390 --> 01:20:11.329
They know that, right?
1482
01:20:11.409 --> 01:20:14.149
I mean, BYU knows that at every level now.
1483
01:20:15.619 --> 01:20:17.420
I would hope so. And I feel so.
1484
01:20:17.840 --> 01:20:18.600
Yeah. Okay.
1485
01:20:19.659 --> 01:20:20.430
I think so too.
1486
01:20:20.520 --> 01:20:22.569
I think that's, that's the sense I get, but obviously
1487
01:20:22.590 --> 01:20:24.829
you're a lot closer to it than I am. And
1488
01:20:25.149 --> 01:20:28.510
you know, it's fine to have these like scares and
1489
01:20:28.630 --> 01:20:32.050
minor soap opera moments, I think with a coach and
1490
01:20:32.090 --> 01:20:34.630
an athletic director and a department and a university and
1491
01:20:34.649 --> 01:20:37.329
whatever else. But like, if you, if you let that
1492
01:20:37.369 --> 01:20:40.310
guy walk, yikes in my, is my opinion.
1493
01:20:40.449 --> 01:20:43.859
Yeah. Right. I would hope that he would be here forever.
1494
01:20:43.880 --> 01:20:47.300
I just think he's so aligned with the unique mission
1495
01:20:47.340 --> 01:20:50.420
of BYU in all its facets. Like he takes the
1496
01:20:50.460 --> 01:20:52.520
high road. He's such a good dude. There's not a
1497
01:20:52.560 --> 01:20:56.520
dude that doesn't like Kalani right in the industry. So yeah, amen.
1498
01:20:57.140 --> 01:20:59.319
And BYU is winning at a clip they never have
1499
01:20:59.460 --> 01:21:01.560
at this level. Like this is a golden era of
1500
01:21:01.600 --> 01:21:03.739
BYU football. I don't want it to end. BYU just
1501
01:21:04.289 --> 01:21:06.670
BYU just had its best modern, you know, and I
1502
01:21:06.689 --> 01:21:10.100
guess ever recruiting class ever. Several of these guys are
1503
01:21:10.119 --> 01:21:11.739
on missions, you know, so the next couple of years
1504
01:21:11.819 --> 01:21:14.340
is set up really nicely. BYU is in a great
1505
01:21:14.380 --> 01:21:16.079
spot in terms of like, they don't have to replace
1506
01:21:16.140 --> 01:21:20.050
a ton of dudes every year with portal guys. They
1507
01:21:20.060 --> 01:21:24.189
can be very specific and calculated and intentional. And so
1508
01:21:24.229 --> 01:21:27.090
hopefully that, that continues, man. It's going great. BYU is,
1509
01:21:27.770 --> 01:21:29.930
as relevant as they've ever been. And they're about to
1510
01:21:29.989 --> 01:21:32.529
have one of the most relevant moments in program history
1511
01:21:32.569 --> 01:21:34.689
next week when we think college game day will be
1512
01:21:34.729 --> 01:21:36.470
here for BYU-Notre Dame, man.
1513
01:21:39.149 --> 01:21:42.180
Does the Iowa State game have anything to do with
1514
01:21:42.260 --> 01:21:44.420
that in your mind? Or are they coming? Because, I mean,
1515
01:21:44.439 --> 01:21:46.420
BYU's going to be a ranked team no matter what.
1516
01:21:46.560 --> 01:21:48.460
Notre Dame's going to be a ranked team no matter what.
1517
01:21:48.560 --> 01:21:52.479
But does the result on Friday night affect how big
1518
01:21:52.520 --> 01:21:55.220
this game is for the television networks?
1519
01:21:56.539 --> 01:21:58.479
Yes, I think it does. I think it'd be why
1520
01:21:58.500 --> 01:22:01.020
you lost that. They might not come. I think if they,
1521
01:22:01.260 --> 01:22:05.539
if Notre Dame max Stanford and BYU beats Iowa state,
1522
01:22:06.140 --> 01:22:08.409
I think, I think there'll be here as Reese Davis
1523
01:22:08.649 --> 01:22:11.189
said last week, said there's a good chance, but there, yeah,
1524
01:22:11.229 --> 01:22:13.590
there are some other interesting games that they wanted to,
1525
01:22:14.390 --> 01:22:17.210
but Ohio state, Indiana, you know, beginning kickoff already said
1526
01:22:17.250 --> 01:22:19.619
they're going to that one. You know, you, you've already
1527
01:22:19.640 --> 01:22:24.060
done LSU it's Mississippi state, like, you know, Alabama, Tennessee,
1528
01:22:24.100 --> 01:22:28.060
they've already already went to Tennessee, you know, for Texas, Tennessee.
1529
01:22:28.119 --> 01:22:30.939
So it is pretty intriguing, Missouri, Ole miss, you've already
1530
01:22:30.960 --> 01:22:33.279
been to Ole miss. So it, you know, you bring
1531
01:22:33.319 --> 01:22:35.380
up a good point. Would they come anyway? Like even
1532
01:22:35.420 --> 01:22:38.760
if they're like 14th or 12th or something, it'd still
1533
01:22:38.779 --> 01:22:41.479
be a pretty good matchup, but I don't think it's
1534
01:22:41.520 --> 01:22:44.100
something they have to worry about. And BYU is going
1535
01:22:44.119 --> 01:22:46.680
to have to exercise some demons by the way, not
1536
01:22:46.779 --> 01:22:53.720
because you always own for when game, game. It was
1537
01:22:53.760 --> 01:22:56.199
TCU 09. BYU lost it where game day was. And
1538
01:22:56.220 --> 01:23:02.350
then they've had three road games historically. It's 04 Utah,
1539
01:23:02.390 --> 01:23:05.409
if I recall. And then 2020 Coastal Carolina, which is
1540
01:23:05.430 --> 01:23:08.449
weird in so many ways. And then last year at
1541
01:23:08.489 --> 01:23:09.630
Texas Tech in the regular season.
1542
01:23:11.850 --> 01:23:14.750
Who's printing the Catholics versus Mormons t-shirts this year? Do
1543
01:23:14.789 --> 01:23:17.909
we know? Where are they going to sell those things?
1544
01:23:18.069 --> 01:23:22.149
That's a good question. Who's jumping all over that one?
1545
01:23:22.909 --> 01:23:25.390
It's like the other one needs to print out the
1546
01:23:25.449 --> 01:23:30.619
full name of the church, you know, to appease the church. Like, Hey, now,
1547
01:23:30.699 --> 01:23:31.720
now everyone's appeased.
1548
01:23:32.140 --> 01:23:32.399
Yes.
1549
01:23:32.659 --> 01:23:33.060
Perfect.
1550
01:23:33.239 --> 01:23:36.600
Jerem, always appreciate your time. Enjoy the game on Friday
1551
01:23:37.039 --> 01:23:38.039
and we'll see you soon.
1552
01:23:39.699 --> 01:23:40.100
Thanks, Sean.
1553
01:23:40.119 --> 01:23:40.810
Always good to chat with you.
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out the biggest stories of the day on the Sean
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Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
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Time for the Daily Dump, brought to you every single
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day by Valley Plumbing, Heating, Cooling. excavation they've got a
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little bit of everything for you the brains behind the
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operation rob joins us here in studio every once in
1579
01:25:05.109 --> 01:25:07.479
a while he's here again today rob how are you.
1580
01:25:07.949 --> 01:25:10.960
I'm doing fantastic i wish i was the brains i'm
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more of the bronze but you know yeah they always
1582
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say hire somebody smarter than you that's everybody all right
1583
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we're good.
1584
01:25:17.960 --> 01:25:21.609
Well he could be the muscle behind the operation then Uh, you're,
1585
01:25:21.689 --> 01:25:25.390
you're coming off of your first, like your first real
1586
01:25:25.430 --> 01:25:29.069
season of HVAC, right? Valley plumbing, the truck with the
1587
01:25:29.109 --> 01:25:31.789
duck reliable for decades. We've known it. And then you
1588
01:25:31.810 --> 01:25:34.909
decided to jump into the HVAC world this summer.
1589
01:25:35.310 --> 01:25:35.510
Yeah.
1590
01:25:35.970 --> 01:25:37.100
And how's it been?
1591
01:25:37.220 --> 01:25:38.060
That's been quite a ride.
1592
01:25:38.069 --> 01:25:41.720
Um, you know, with, with plumbing, it's very consistent, uh,
1593
01:25:41.819 --> 01:25:46.760
little ups, little downs, and it's just very consistent with HVAC. Um,
1594
01:25:47.260 --> 01:25:48.979
you know, you don't get a lot of calls this
1595
01:25:49.000 --> 01:25:52.020
time of year when it's nice outside. You open the door,
1596
01:25:52.100 --> 01:25:55.399
you close the door, everything's fine. But you get a
1597
01:25:55.859 --> 01:25:59.100
good 75% of your work all within a few months
1598
01:25:59.520 --> 01:26:00.420
in the hottest time.
1599
01:26:00.300 --> 01:26:00.770
Of the year.
1600
01:26:00.819 --> 01:26:04.569
So you get ready and then all of a sudden
1601
01:26:04.609 --> 01:26:07.369
it's just slammed. And then all of a sudden right
1602
01:26:07.409 --> 01:26:12.069
now it's quiet because there's not a lot going on.
1603
01:26:12.550 --> 01:26:15.029
It's just something completely different than the plumbing. So it's
1604
01:26:15.069 --> 01:26:19.090
been interesting to learn the difference between the plumbing and
1605
01:26:19.109 --> 01:26:21.510
the HVAC and it's been interesting.
1606
01:26:21.590 --> 01:26:24.560
Well, it's kind of good news for our listeners because
1607
01:26:24.609 --> 01:26:27.760
if you, if you need something done with your HVAC
1608
01:26:27.819 --> 01:26:32.880
right now, Valley plumbing is not hustling so hard.
1609
01:26:32.899 --> 01:26:33.920
They're not behind.
1610
01:26:34.039 --> 01:26:36.039
Now's a good time to make that phone call and
1611
01:26:36.060 --> 01:26:38.119
be like, all right, this air conditioner might be on
1612
01:26:38.180 --> 01:26:40.319
its last legs. My furnace might need a little bit
1613
01:26:40.359 --> 01:26:42.560
of work. Maybe I got to get the whole system
1614
01:26:42.680 --> 01:26:45.529
looked at, overhauled, vents cleaned, whatever, but Now's a good
1615
01:26:45.569 --> 01:26:46.460
time to make a phone call.
1616
01:26:46.640 --> 01:26:49.279
You know, and it's not just us. It's pretty much
1617
01:26:49.319 --> 01:26:52.119
the entire industry. And that's why this time of year
1618
01:26:52.140 --> 01:26:55.380
you hear so many big specials going on, whether it's
1619
01:26:55.399 --> 01:26:58.199
a free furnace, whether it's a free upgrade, things like that,
1620
01:26:58.619 --> 01:27:02.739
because even the manufacturers know how it works. And so
1621
01:27:02.800 --> 01:27:06.500
they promote. They give really good deals this time of year.
1622
01:27:08.680 --> 01:27:11.000
And so, of course, we're following suit and doing the
1623
01:27:11.039 --> 01:27:11.550
same thing.
1624
01:27:11.819 --> 01:27:12.439
We're giving away.
1625
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Free furnaces with an AC system purchase. We're doing the
1626
01:27:18.510 --> 01:27:22.909
free upgrade to a heat pump system if you buy
1627
01:27:22.930 --> 01:27:27.670
a standard system. And that helps with the manufacturer taking
1628
01:27:27.689 --> 01:27:28.369
care of that as well.
1629
01:27:28.550 --> 01:27:31.270
So now's a really good time if you're looking to
1630
01:27:31.550 --> 01:27:35.060
change some things, to upgrade some things. And obviously, if
1631
01:27:35.069 --> 01:27:37.880
you have any plumbing issues at all, Valley Plumbing can
1632
01:27:37.920 --> 01:27:38.659
take care of those.
1633
01:27:39.079 --> 01:27:42.829
This time of year also, right? We're approaching, within the
1634
01:27:42.869 --> 01:27:43.689
next month, we're.
1635
01:27:43.569 --> 01:27:46.970
Going to be talking about sprinkler pipes freezing, stopping waste
1636
01:27:47.010 --> 01:27:51.020
valve issues, things like that. And you probably want to
1637
01:27:51.060 --> 01:27:54.119
get this phone number and get the Valley Plumbing in
1638
01:27:54.159 --> 01:27:58.340
your brain because when that stuff happens, it's not DIY.
1639
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You need someone who knows a little bit about excavation,
1640
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who knows how to handle the serious plumbing stuff to
1641
01:28:04.130 --> 01:28:04.409
come out.
1642
01:28:04.670 --> 01:28:07.050
You better take care of it now rather than later.
1643
01:28:07.729 --> 01:28:09.949
First time it snows and it's three feet of snow
1644
01:28:10.010 --> 01:28:12.210
in your front yard and you realize you have a problem.
1645
01:28:12.710 --> 01:28:14.409
You know, you get to take care of now. You
1646
01:28:14.430 --> 01:28:17.310
make sure your system is winterized. You make sure your
1647
01:28:17.350 --> 01:28:20.899
hoses are disconnected from your hose bib that's coming out
1648
01:28:20.920 --> 01:28:23.399
of your house. Things like that so you don't end
1649
01:28:23.479 --> 01:28:25.659
up with a flood. You don't end up with an emergency.
1650
01:28:26.739 --> 01:28:29.159
And if you do, there's only one place to go.
1651
01:28:29.199 --> 01:28:34.090
Look for the truck with the duck, 801-341-4222, valleyplumbing.com. You
1652
01:28:34.109 --> 01:28:36.170
can make an appointment on the chat feature. You don't
1653
01:28:36.210 --> 01:28:38.779
even have to pick up the phone. I wanted to,
1654
01:28:39.239 --> 01:28:40.829
there's a sports story. I wanted to run by you
1655
01:28:40.850 --> 01:28:42.270
because that's what we do in the Daily Dump. We
1656
01:28:42.289 --> 01:28:44.689
give out the random sports stories. And this one, I'm
1657
01:28:44.710 --> 01:28:47.329
a little outraged over, but it also is relevant here
1658
01:28:47.409 --> 01:28:50.789
because you're in an AI-proof business as far as we
1659
01:28:50.810 --> 01:28:51.189
can tell.
1660
01:28:51.430 --> 01:28:51.609
Yeah.
1661
01:28:51.689 --> 01:28:51.899
Right?
1662
01:28:52.180 --> 01:28:54.579
It's going to be a long, long, long, long time
1663
01:28:54.960 --> 01:28:57.020
before robots are showing up at the house to fix
1664
01:28:57.039 --> 01:28:57.800
the air conditioner.
1665
01:28:57.960 --> 01:28:58.880
Yes, that is correct.
1666
01:28:59.039 --> 01:29:01.859
Washington State University, of course, used to be in the
1667
01:29:01.899 --> 01:29:06.060
Pac-12 alongside the Utes. Washington state university has announced that
1668
01:29:06.100 --> 01:29:09.319
they're partnering with a company called fan word, which is
1669
01:29:09.340 --> 01:29:13.829
an AI company. Uh, they're going to create their game recaps,
1670
01:29:14.229 --> 01:29:19.130
feature stories, player bios, and other editorial content is the
1671
01:29:19.149 --> 01:29:22.029
way that they worded it. So the sports writing that's
1672
01:29:22.069 --> 01:29:24.710
coming out of Washington state university, who by the way,
1673
01:29:24.750 --> 01:29:28.510
has their own school of journalism and broadcasting is now
1674
01:29:28.529 --> 01:29:32.270
going to be done by by fan word, by AI.
1675
01:29:32.670 --> 01:29:35.270
This is, if you're in the sports industry like me,
1676
01:29:35.899 --> 01:29:38.479
it's aggravating. It's also a little bit terrifying.
1677
01:29:38.920 --> 01:29:41.100
Well, the hard part is you don't know what's real
1678
01:29:41.159 --> 01:29:44.739
and what's AI. AI, you know, it does an amazing thing,
1679
01:29:44.819 --> 01:29:47.300
but you can never use AI for a finished product,
1680
01:29:47.659 --> 01:29:49.930
you know, because you have AI create something for you
1681
01:29:49.970 --> 01:29:51.130
and you look at it and you look at it
1682
01:29:51.170 --> 01:29:54.770
carefully and you'll notice that the picture has somebody holding
1683
01:29:54.829 --> 01:29:57.149
something that you're like, What.
1684
01:29:57.069 --> 01:29:57.649
Even is that?
1685
01:29:57.670 --> 01:30:00.359
And little details like that.
1686
01:30:00.960 --> 01:30:02.659
It'll be interesting to see how this works.
1687
01:30:03.180 --> 01:30:04.819
Yeah, it's really crazy.
1688
01:30:04.859 --> 01:30:08.020
That's the latest out of Washington State University, and they're
1689
01:30:08.039 --> 01:30:10.460
being appropriately lambasted for it.
1690
01:30:10.510 --> 01:30:13.170
Everyone is just like, what are you doing? You cannot,
1691
01:30:13.510 --> 01:30:14.140
first of all....
1692
01:30:15.680 --> 01:30:19.090
The inaccuracies that you're talking about, we just experienced that
1693
01:30:19.130 --> 01:30:19.930
on the show today.
1694
01:30:20.329 --> 01:30:20.510
Yeah.
1695
01:30:20.649 --> 01:30:22.609
Because we were talking with Jerem Jordan, and we were
1696
01:30:22.649 --> 01:30:24.850
talking about Iowa State's roster and how now they have
1697
01:30:24.890 --> 01:30:27.430
some Utahns on Iowa State's roster, which when you and
1698
01:30:27.470 --> 01:30:28.770
I were growing up was never the case.
1699
01:30:28.850 --> 01:30:28.949
No.
1700
01:30:29.380 --> 01:30:31.180
They were not recruiting guys out of the state of Utah.
1701
01:30:31.220 --> 01:30:32.779
So I was like, you know what? I'm going to Google.
1702
01:30:33.220 --> 01:30:35.439
I'm going to figure out when the first Utahn ended
1703
01:30:35.500 --> 01:30:39.520
up on that roster. And according to the AI overview
1704
01:30:40.100 --> 01:30:43.640
that it spits out, It was someone from this year's team.
1705
01:30:43.659 --> 01:30:46.420
I was like, oh, wow, this recently happened. Well, James
1706
01:30:46.460 --> 01:30:48.539
did the actual legwork, and he went back and looked
1707
01:30:48.579 --> 01:30:51.600
at the Iowa State rosters. And in the mid-2000s, you
1708
01:30:51.619 --> 01:30:56.140
had guys from Utah. So you can't trust, for sports especially,
1709
01:30:56.199 --> 01:30:58.699
you can't trust AI. If you're using it in your
1710
01:30:58.739 --> 01:31:00.979
company and it's working for you, great. But if you're
1711
01:31:01.000 --> 01:31:05.239
looking for sports information, don't rely on fan word.
1712
01:31:05.850 --> 01:31:07.770
No, because you don't know what kind of parameters it's
1713
01:31:07.789 --> 01:31:10.569
looking at. You have no idea until it's wrong.
1714
01:31:11.760 --> 01:31:11.960
None.
1715
01:31:12.279 --> 01:31:15.380
And, I mean, to bring it back to Valley Plumbing, right,
1716
01:31:15.439 --> 01:31:19.279
like the trades and all of that, like you guys
1717
01:31:19.350 --> 01:31:20.590
are in a really good spot.
1718
01:31:21.010 --> 01:31:24.770
I mean, we use AI every single day in the trades,
1719
01:31:24.970 --> 01:31:28.270
but not to actually do the actual work. You know,
1720
01:31:28.289 --> 01:31:31.710
that's requiring us to go out and physically do the work. Now,
1721
01:31:32.130 --> 01:31:34.869
of course, if we can't figure out a problem that
1722
01:31:34.909 --> 01:31:37.689
something– That we've never seen before. Of course, we're going
1723
01:31:37.699 --> 01:31:39.189
to we're going to look into it. We're going to
1724
01:31:39.270 --> 01:31:41.310
ask questions. We're going to look at chat GPT. We're
1725
01:31:41.329 --> 01:31:44.170
going to look at things like that and see what
1726
01:31:44.189 --> 01:31:44.609
it says.
1727
01:31:44.630 --> 01:31:45.329
And then.
1728
01:31:46.340 --> 01:31:48.539
Figure out, is this real? Is it going to work?
1729
01:31:48.840 --> 01:31:49.659
Is this legitimate?
1730
01:31:49.739 --> 01:31:52.420
Or is this just some crazy person that said something
1731
01:31:52.500 --> 01:31:53.640
online that AI picked up?
1732
01:31:53.899 --> 01:31:55.970
Yeah, there is some of that also.
1733
01:31:56.590 --> 01:31:58.710
All right, so final word for our listeners who've been
1734
01:31:58.729 --> 01:32:00.829
hearing about the Daily Dump and looking for the truck
1735
01:32:00.850 --> 01:32:03.670
with the duck. You've got plumbing. You've got HVAC. You've
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got excavation. You really can help out with just about everything.
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Why should they call you? You know, give us a call.
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We are literally one of the last actual family-owned companies here. Now,
1739
01:32:15.380 --> 01:32:18.930
everybody says family-owned, but it's whose family, how many tens
1740
01:32:18.970 --> 01:32:22.069
of thousands of families that have money in.
1741
01:32:22.050 --> 01:32:25.369
This private equity firm. That is not us. We are here.
1742
01:32:26.289 --> 01:32:29.310
My family is raised here. My kids go to school here.
1743
01:32:29.329 --> 01:32:31.630
I'm a real person, not AI.
1744
01:32:31.890 --> 01:32:32.270
We're here.
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01:32:32.970 --> 01:32:34.979
We care about our community. We're here to help.
1746
01:32:35.479 --> 01:32:37.319
We're not just here to make a quick buck and
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01:32:37.359 --> 01:32:40.439
sell off to another investment company. We are here for
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the long run, and.
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01:32:41.539 --> 01:32:43.539
This is what we love. We love Utah. We love
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01:32:43.560 --> 01:32:47.930
what we do. And we're here. Whenever you need us,
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we are here.
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01:32:49.789 --> 01:32:54.930
By the way, over 3,000 reviews right now, averaging 4.8 stars.
1753
01:32:55.189 --> 01:32:57.899
So pretty darn good. You don't even have to take
1754
01:32:57.960 --> 01:33:00.899
my word for it or Rob's word for it. People
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01:33:00.920 --> 01:33:03.420
who've actually dealt with Valley Plumbing, which I have, and
1756
01:33:03.439 --> 01:33:07.550
they fixed a leaky pump for me in like two hours.
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It was fantastic. On a Friday afternoon to boot.
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So 801-341-4222. Go to valleyplumbing.com. Hit the chat feature. Make
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an appointment that way. You don't even have to pick
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up the phone. They'll come out. They'll give you a
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free quote. They'll let you know. when they can get
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it done, how they can get it done, and how
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much it's going to cost you, no hidden fees or
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anything like that.
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01:33:29.239 --> 01:33:31.039
We look forward to hearing from you.
1766
01:33:32.439 --> 01:33:32.800
All right.
1767
01:33:33.420 --> 01:33:35.829
Lots more to get to here on the Sean O'Connell Show.
1768
01:33:35.850 --> 01:33:39.130
Don't go anywhere. Jeff Schwartz joins us in about 13 minutes.
1769
01:33:39.689 --> 01:33:42.470
Thanks for coming in, Rob. ESPN 700, 92 on FM.
1770
01:33:51.909 --> 01:34:04.979
This is the Sean O'Connell Show, your home of the
1771
01:34:05.060 --> 01:34:08.289
best inside of your Utes. Let's get back to OC
1772
01:34:08.369 --> 01:34:11.430
from the Murdoch Chevrolet studio of ESPN 792.1 FM.
1773
01:34:24.710 --> 01:34:26.369
Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell show.
1774
01:34:26.409 --> 01:34:28.369
Jeff Schwartz joins us in about eight minutes here to
1775
01:34:28.449 --> 01:34:34.329
talk all things football pro and college. There's some interesting
1776
01:34:34.369 --> 01:34:38.489
stats out there on NFL referees and how much they're
1777
01:34:38.560 --> 01:34:43.380
meddling with games, especially in important scenarios, fourth quarter scenarios,
1778
01:34:44.520 --> 01:34:47.899
scoring plays, things like that. So we'll get to that
1779
01:34:47.939 --> 01:34:51.520
with Jeff Schwartz and much more. We'll ask him the
1780
01:34:51.539 --> 01:34:53.239
question we asked at the top of the show about
1781
01:34:53.319 --> 01:34:56.029
Dante Moore and whether or not he's got to make
1782
01:34:56.109 --> 01:34:59.390
some type of executive decision for himself on continuing to
1783
01:34:59.449 --> 01:35:05.949
play after the concussion and his draft status being up
1784
01:35:05.989 --> 01:35:06.409
in the air.
1785
01:35:08.210 --> 01:35:10.539
That's coming. We didn't really get to a ton of
1786
01:35:10.579 --> 01:35:11.939
the Daily Dump stories.
1787
01:35:13.279 --> 01:35:13.640
This is.
1788
01:35:15.310 --> 01:35:19.590
We don't discuss tennis all that much. Coco Gauff, who is,
1789
01:35:19.869 --> 01:35:23.569
of course, an American tennis star and has done some
1790
01:35:23.609 --> 01:35:27.590
really incredible things on the women's tennis tour, is kind
1791
01:35:27.630 --> 01:35:32.979
of like the next, the natural progression of American superstar
1792
01:35:33.260 --> 01:35:36.539
after Venus and Serena Williams on the women's side of things.
1793
01:35:38.020 --> 01:35:39.260
And she's already.
1794
01:35:40.340 --> 01:35:43.699
firmly established as one of the best women's tennis players
1795
01:35:43.979 --> 01:35:47.430
in the world as a, an incredibly marketable star as
1796
01:35:47.489 --> 01:35:51.569
somebody with a ton of endorsement deals, a great spokesperson.
1797
01:35:52.789 --> 01:35:55.569
And she had a situation.
1798
01:35:57.369 --> 01:36:00.409
In a tournament in the China open where she's playing
1799
01:36:00.609 --> 01:36:03.180
a young woman. Who's of Chinese descent, a teenager on
1800
01:36:03.220 --> 01:36:07.800
the rise, the next Coco golf, like the Chinese version
1801
01:36:08.319 --> 01:36:09.079
of Coco golf.
1802
01:36:09.399 --> 01:36:12.079
And she, There was a single point played a.
1803
01:36:13.960 --> 01:36:19.180
Single point where there's video boards, advertising boards in the
1804
01:36:19.239 --> 01:36:23.510
arena that while play is happening, they they're right behind
1805
01:36:23.550 --> 01:36:23.970
the players.
1806
01:36:24.090 --> 01:36:25.310
So they have to be off.
1807
01:36:26.489 --> 01:36:26.710
Right.
1808
01:36:27.210 --> 01:36:29.989
And this is now a thing in all of tennis everywhere.
1809
01:36:30.489 --> 01:36:34.859
These tournaments have led boards, digital advertising boards, and the
1810
01:36:34.899 --> 01:36:38.270
way that they keep them from interfering with the plan,
1811
01:36:38.310 --> 01:36:41.739
the tennis being played and people's ability to see the ball,
1812
01:36:41.800 --> 01:36:44.020
kind of like a batter's eye. They keep it off
1813
01:36:44.300 --> 01:36:48.199
while gameplay is actually happening. And then between points, you
1814
01:36:48.239 --> 01:36:52.729
can flash your Rolex or your whatever advertisement. Well, during
1815
01:36:53.050 --> 01:36:57.489
a point during play, the video boards flashed on, they
1816
01:36:57.510 --> 01:37:03.689
turned on and Coco golf, pulled up and basically stopped
1817
01:37:03.750 --> 01:37:07.189
playing the point because of that, which is, it's going
1818
01:37:07.210 --> 01:37:09.789
to be a disqualified point anyway.
1819
01:37:10.930 --> 01:37:13.939
And her opponent ends up winning the point.
1820
01:37:14.979 --> 01:37:15.300
All right.
1821
01:37:16.100 --> 01:37:22.159
So Coco stops playing return comes. All right. Well, that
1822
01:37:22.220 --> 01:37:22.859
one doesn't count.
1823
01:37:25.470 --> 01:37:28.710
Unfortunately, it became kind of an inflection point in the
1824
01:37:28.750 --> 01:37:32.270
match where then after that, It looked like Coco kind
1825
01:37:32.289 --> 01:37:37.449
of really seized the momentum and ended up winning the match, which.
1826
01:37:38.890 --> 01:37:42.180
She was the favorite anyway. But it was in China,
1827
01:37:43.460 --> 01:37:47.640
and this was a Chinese tennis player.
1828
01:37:48.239 --> 01:37:52.260
So, of course, the local fans were really bothered by
1829
01:37:52.300 --> 01:37:57.069
this whole scenario. And this is something that we don't
1830
01:37:57.090 --> 01:37:58.529
have to deal with. I've never had to deal with.
1831
01:37:59.090 --> 01:38:02.319
You hear about it in Sports like tennis, you hear
1832
01:38:02.340 --> 01:38:04.239
about it in sports like golf. You hear it about
1833
01:38:04.310 --> 01:38:06.550
it all over the world now.
1834
01:38:06.600 --> 01:38:08.470
It's not just in the United States.
1835
01:38:08.529 --> 01:38:12.310
We often have these conversations about how race relations need
1836
01:38:12.329 --> 01:38:15.069
to improve here in the United States of America. And
1837
01:38:16.029 --> 01:38:19.170
Coco took to Twitter shortly after this match and after
1838
01:38:19.210 --> 01:38:24.029
the minor controversy, like it's a nothing burger. She was
1839
01:38:24.069 --> 01:38:26.109
probably going to beat this teenager anyway, who's at the
1840
01:38:26.130 --> 01:38:29.239
very beginning of a big time career. They talked about
1841
01:38:29.260 --> 01:38:33.340
it at the net. Coco apologized for the confusion. The,
1842
01:38:34.000 --> 01:38:37.840
her opponent apologized for the issue and they're totally fine
1843
01:38:37.859 --> 01:38:38.090
with it.
1844
01:38:38.239 --> 01:38:39.960
But Coco golf then.
1845
01:38:41.100 --> 01:38:45.659
Gets back on social media and just is inundated with
1846
01:38:46.229 --> 01:38:51.010
with some of the most horrific racial, racially charged, like
1847
01:38:51.189 --> 01:38:53.949
slurs and abuse, verbal abuse.
1848
01:38:54.649 --> 01:38:56.989
I guess it's not verbal. If you're reading it, whatever that's.
1849
01:38:56.810 --> 01:39:04.010
Called, just brutal stuff because of a one point, a
1850
01:39:04.010 --> 01:39:07.529
16 year old, her name is soon. She ran and
1851
01:39:07.569 --> 01:39:10.750
she beat her yesterday at the China open.
1852
01:39:10.770 --> 01:39:15.600
Hey, little controversy.
1853
01:39:15.119 --> 01:39:20.760
Because of a single point. And now you've got these
1854
01:39:20.859 --> 01:39:23.750
op-ed pieces on it. Like this, how about this headline
1855
01:39:23.829 --> 01:39:27.409
from Yahoo sports? Cocoa golf didn't cheat, but tennis made
1856
01:39:27.449 --> 01:39:35.220
it look like she did. And now she's being villainized
1857
01:39:35.420 --> 01:39:40.880
and on social media, especially, and from the, the Chinese
1858
01:39:40.899 --> 01:39:43.760
fan base, especially One of the biggest stars in tennis
1859
01:39:43.880 --> 01:39:45.779
is like, I don't want to deal with this anymore.
1860
01:39:45.979 --> 01:39:49.729
I'm not, if you want to disagree with what happened, she,
1861
01:39:49.890 --> 01:39:53.350
her statement effectively was if you, if you want to deal,
1862
01:39:53.470 --> 01:39:56.989
if you want to disagree with how things happened, that's fine,
1863
01:39:57.010 --> 01:39:59.409
but you don't have to be racist about it. Imagine
1864
01:40:00.060 --> 01:40:03.439
being the star that she is and then having to
1865
01:40:03.539 --> 01:40:06.880
open your social media and and see all that stuff
1866
01:40:06.920 --> 01:40:09.859
just because of a point taken away from an opponent
1867
01:40:10.560 --> 01:40:14.819
on a technicality because whoever's operating the video boards handled
1868
01:40:14.859 --> 01:40:15.159
it wrong.
1869
01:40:17.119 --> 01:40:17.560
Crazy.
1870
01:40:18.699 --> 01:40:19.680
Her quote was this.
1871
01:40:19.760 --> 01:40:21.659
Hey, everyone, you can dislike me or disagree about what
1872
01:40:21.699 --> 01:40:24.850
happened without being racist. The amount of racist comments DMs
1873
01:40:24.890 --> 01:40:27.729
I've received in the last few hours is insane.
1874
01:40:28.550 --> 01:40:33.770
Lastly, I'm not a cheater or a thief. Crazy stuff.
1875
01:40:34.869 --> 01:40:35.689
In the world of tennis.
1876
01:40:40.550 --> 01:40:41.970
I'm watching the point right now.
1877
01:40:44.970 --> 01:40:46.949
And to be fair, like.
1878
01:40:48.060 --> 01:40:50.800
The switch of the video boards does not seem to
1879
01:40:50.840 --> 01:40:55.000
me like it would be something that would distract from
1880
01:40:55.100 --> 01:40:57.699
one's actual ability to compete, but she does pull up
1881
01:40:57.739 --> 01:40:59.350
and stop having seen it.
1882
01:40:59.460 --> 01:41:01.279
So I guess it did distract her enough.
1883
01:41:03.350 --> 01:41:03.710
Crazy. Crazy.
1884
01:41:07.029 --> 01:41:10.850
The flickering of the video boards constituted a hindrance to
1885
01:41:10.890 --> 01:41:13.130
her ability to play according to the chair umpire on
1886
01:41:13.170 --> 01:41:13.909
a video review.
1887
01:41:14.890 --> 01:41:19.460
Oh, see, we know that golf golfers and tennis players
1888
01:41:19.500 --> 01:41:25.460
in particular are next level sensitive to anything that might
1889
01:41:25.500 --> 01:41:28.880
be distracting them while they're in play. It's the reason
1890
01:41:28.939 --> 01:41:32.359
why you hear the chair umpire say, quiet, please, quiet, please.
1891
01:41:32.600 --> 01:41:38.079
Whenever there's any, whenever someone's like coughing. but as they're
1892
01:41:38.100 --> 01:41:41.529
about to start the next point. So this doesn't surprise me,
1893
01:41:41.569 --> 01:41:44.970
even though you're watching it, like an average person would
1894
01:41:45.010 --> 01:41:47.789
watch it, not a tennis player and going, Oh, that
1895
01:41:47.829 --> 01:41:51.869
doesn't seem that distracting. It doesn't surprise me that tennis
1896
01:41:51.970 --> 01:41:53.819
deems that very distracting.
1897
01:41:54.220 --> 01:41:58.180
And Coco's, this is the last port Coco also mentioned.
1898
01:41:58.220 --> 01:41:58.720
I think it's weird.
1899
01:41:58.739 --> 01:42:01.439
I'm getting hate for following the rules. She is following
1900
01:42:01.479 --> 01:42:07.960
the rules, like the rules of tennis. Have this in
1901
01:42:08.000 --> 01:42:11.699
there for anything that could be a distraction, like somebody
1902
01:42:12.300 --> 01:42:17.079
yelling in your backswing, somebody talking during your service, somebody
1903
01:42:17.439 --> 01:42:20.239
like a piece of paper blowing onto the court from
1904
01:42:20.319 --> 01:42:23.699
somebody's a literal rapper in dropping.
1905
01:42:23.739 --> 01:42:27.500
Sometimes it seems like, look, I. And I'm kind of
1906
01:42:27.520 --> 01:42:30.619
making fun of it, but also I get it. There's
1907
01:42:30.720 --> 01:42:34.560
different etiquette rules for every sport. And tennis, it just
1908
01:42:34.600 --> 01:42:37.600
happens to be a lot more strict etiquette rules when
1909
01:42:37.640 --> 01:42:39.899
it comes to noise and distractions.
1910
01:42:40.409 --> 01:42:42.289
Here's a flex for you again. I did go to
1911
01:42:42.329 --> 01:42:45.710
Wimbledon this last summer. Oh, did you really? I haven't
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01:42:45.770 --> 01:42:46.529
heard you say that before.
1913
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I don't know if I've said anything on air about
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how I went to Wimbledon and was watching tennis. So
1915
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jealous of you. Next to the Royal Box. But here's
1916
01:42:54.970 --> 01:43:01.890
the thing. We're at Wimbledon and it was during the
1917
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men's match that we were watching. Um, you have demonstrative
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players occasionally that are trying to get a little bit
1919
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of reaction from the crowd after a point. And, uh, that,
1920
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that started to develop in this men's match and the
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chair umpire was like fighting against it. because of the,
1922
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because the etiquette thing, because he's like, he's like, you know,
1923
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he's like, it was a Baratini.
1924
01:43:36.869 --> 01:43:38.829
He's just like, oh yeah, come on. Like after a
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01:43:38.850 --> 01:43:41.750
big point, come on, come on. Baratini, good player. And
1926
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people are just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's,
1927
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you know, then it's his serve again and he's bouncing
1928
01:43:47.310 --> 01:43:48.989
the ball. He's getting ready to serve and people are like, yeah,
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let's go, let's go, let's go. And the chair umpire
1930
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is going like quiet. quiet. And they w they got
1931
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over the quiet, please. Then just like silence. I was like, okay,
1932
01:43:59.069 --> 01:44:03.109
let's go. It got progressively less polite. Yes, it was great.
1933
01:44:03.329 --> 01:44:05.890
And you know, it was funny because it was, the
1934
01:44:05.949 --> 01:44:08.869
players were like egging it on. They were goading this,
1935
01:44:09.550 --> 01:44:11.729
but the chair umpire was like, this is a violation
1936
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of etiquette.
1937
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Be quiet.
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Speaker 0 5th.
1939
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It's it is funny when, when that happens, cause you
1940
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get players that try to get the crowd on their side,
1941
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especially after a big point like that.
1942
01:44:23.300 --> 01:44:23.479
Right?
1943
01:44:24.289 --> 01:44:28.890
Um, but the chair umpire has to be like, okay, fine. You,
1944
01:44:29.090 --> 01:44:31.310
you did that, but also like, we got to make
1945
01:44:31.350 --> 01:44:34.930
sure it's deathly quiet before the next serve or else
1946
01:44:35.069 --> 01:44:37.189
you guys are going to screw up because of the noise.
1947
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Yeah.
1948
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It's a funny situation. Uh, you know, we're going to
1949
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take a break here. We're going to get to Jeff
1950
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Schwartz next. He's the kind of person that the chair
1951
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umpire would have to yell at in tennis. But we'll
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talk football with him instead. It's the Sean O'Connell Show
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on ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM. You're listening.
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To the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch Hyundai Studio
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of ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
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Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
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Welcome in football insider and expert Jeff Schwartz. Former Oregon Duck,
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longtime NFL veteran, gambling expert, friend of the show.
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01:45:24.000 --> 01:45:24.760
Hey, Jeff, how are you?
1960
01:45:25.699 --> 01:45:27.420
I'm good. I just heard that Adam would be bummed
1961
01:45:27.439 --> 01:45:29.619
I won't be in town for the snowmobile convention.
1962
01:45:31.100 --> 01:45:34.739
You need a snowmobile for your Charlotte, North Carolina activities?
1963
01:45:35.090 --> 01:45:38.250
Okay, so you know how there's always stories about players,
1964
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quarterbacks and running backs, like getting their offensive linemen gifts?
1965
01:45:43.109 --> 01:45:43.310
Yes.
1966
01:45:44.079 --> 01:45:47.220
So when I was in Minnesota with Adrian Peterson, he
1967
01:45:47.260 --> 01:45:50.579
rushed for 2,000 yards. He missed the record by a
1968
01:45:50.659 --> 01:45:53.699
couple yards or 99 yards. It was a rough year.
1969
01:45:53.819 --> 01:45:57.189
I wasn't very connected to the team, long story, whatever.
1970
01:45:57.689 --> 01:46:00.909
So I had already, I think, left town before he
1971
01:46:00.949 --> 01:46:04.170
sort of gave his gifts, but his gift for that
1972
01:46:04.229 --> 01:46:08.409
year was a snowmobile to his offensive lineman. I live
1973
01:46:08.430 --> 01:46:11.390
in Charlotte, North Carolina. What was I going to do
1974
01:46:11.409 --> 01:46:15.390
with a snowmobile? What are you going to do with this?
1975
01:46:15.409 --> 01:46:16.829
I never got it because I wasn't in town. I
1976
01:46:16.850 --> 01:46:20.010
just left Minnesota as soon as possible.
1977
01:46:20.510 --> 01:46:24.109
By the way, that feels not great, right?
1978
01:46:24.229 --> 01:46:27.270
If everyone gets the gift except for you because you
1979
01:46:27.300 --> 01:46:28.760
left town early, it's silly.
1980
01:46:29.260 --> 01:46:31.000
I never got it. I never got with the Giants
1981
01:46:31.060 --> 01:46:34.699
either because I had left town because I was hurt.
1982
01:46:34.880 --> 01:46:37.439
I was already out of town when Eli got the
1983
01:46:37.460 --> 01:46:40.500
guys like Cowboy Boots one year in Nashville, but I
1984
01:46:40.500 --> 01:46:44.100
was already... I was injured. I didn't travel in that game.
1985
01:46:44.119 --> 01:46:46.119
It was already after my surgery. I was already back,
1986
01:46:46.159 --> 01:46:46.800
I think, in Charlotte.
1987
01:46:46.880 --> 01:46:50.920
I always buy my cowboy boots in Nashville. Eli was
1988
01:46:50.979 --> 01:46:53.979
making really good money then. Cowboy boots are cheap in Nashville.
1989
01:46:54.000 --> 01:46:56.739
That's not a good gift from Eli. A snowmobile, that's
1990
01:46:56.779 --> 01:46:57.520
a generous gift.
1991
01:46:58.659 --> 01:47:02.050
I got a Breitling watch from Jonathan Stewart and Danjo Williams.
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01:47:02.189 --> 01:47:02.479
Okay.
1993
01:47:03.060 --> 01:47:05.979
And then one year, Alex Smith bought us Louis Vuitton
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travel bags.
1995
01:47:07.840 --> 01:47:08.060
Wow.
1996
01:47:08.199 --> 01:47:12.239
But what I did is the travel bag was nice.
1997
01:47:12.880 --> 01:47:16.659
I have very large feet, and I couldn't even put
1998
01:47:16.729 --> 01:47:19.329
a pair of shoes in there. It would just be
1999
01:47:19.350 --> 01:47:21.750
the end of my... So I traded in and got
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01:47:21.770 --> 01:47:22.489
my wife a purse.
2001
01:47:23.050 --> 01:47:23.550
That's nice.
2002
01:47:24.369 --> 01:47:27.069
So that was Mary's first big designer purse I ever
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01:47:27.109 --> 01:47:27.909
bought her was because of that.
2004
01:47:28.109 --> 01:47:28.210
Yeah.
2005
01:47:28.810 --> 01:47:31.130
Don't say you bought it for Alex bought it for Alex.
2006
01:47:31.189 --> 01:47:32.989
Well, yeah, Alex did. Alex bought her the purse. Yeah.
2007
01:47:33.069 --> 01:47:36.020
It was like a four grand gift. I mean, I was,
2008
01:47:36.479 --> 01:47:37.220
it was nice.
2009
01:47:37.439 --> 01:47:40.699
Did, uh, does Alex know that you didn't keep his gift?
2010
01:47:42.420 --> 01:47:42.880
Now he does.
2011
01:47:43.979 --> 01:47:45.319
He listens to the show. I'm sure.
2012
01:47:45.340 --> 01:47:48.619
I'm sure he does. But, um, my shoes didn't fit
2013
01:47:48.649 --> 01:47:50.470
in the bag. I had no, I just, it was
2014
01:47:50.510 --> 01:47:51.289
never going to work for me.
2015
01:47:51.710 --> 01:47:54.630
That's fine. You don't, you don't have to wear shoes
2016
01:47:54.850 --> 01:47:56.810
or use a bag that doesn't fit your stuff.
2017
01:47:57.189 --> 01:47:57.529
Yeah.
2018
01:47:57.890 --> 01:47:58.289
That's fair.
2019
01:48:00.869 --> 01:48:05.060
We started the show today weirdly talking about the Oregon Ducks.
2020
01:48:05.079 --> 01:48:09.939
Talking about Dante Moore. More in the grand philosophical sense
2021
01:48:09.979 --> 01:48:14.310
because he's back in practice. Non-contact is what we've been told.
2022
01:48:14.710 --> 01:48:15.949
I'm sure you know a lot more than I do
2023
01:48:15.989 --> 01:48:20.899
about it. But they're talking about having him play against UCLA.
2024
01:48:21.260 --> 01:48:24.479
I feel like that's doubtful, but maybe he's going to
2025
01:48:24.520 --> 01:48:27.359
come back and play. And when we're talking about someone
2026
01:48:27.420 --> 01:48:31.340
who is highly compensated as a college athlete, but is
2027
01:48:31.399 --> 01:48:34.199
also projected to be in probably the top five of
2028
01:48:34.520 --> 01:48:38.149
an upcoming NFL draft, I don't know how you weigh
2029
01:48:38.170 --> 01:48:40.949
these options out if you're somebody like Dante Moore. So
2030
01:48:41.350 --> 01:48:43.899
as someone who actually played and as someone who knows
2031
01:48:44.140 --> 01:48:48.180
more about the Oregon atmosphere and that situation, what are
2032
01:48:48.220 --> 01:48:51.539
these conversations like right now with Dante Moore, his family,
2033
01:48:51.579 --> 01:48:52.039
his agents?
2034
01:48:53.100 --> 01:48:56.960
So I did see the reporters while he's practicing. Part
2035
01:48:57.000 --> 01:48:59.060
of the steps of being cleared from a concussion is
2036
01:48:59.079 --> 01:49:02.390
you have to practice, right? You have to go through
2037
01:49:02.470 --> 01:49:05.010
workouts and see how you feel afterwards. So I'm not
2038
01:49:05.050 --> 01:49:07.880
surprised he's doing it, but I'm also– it's a little
2039
01:49:08.100 --> 01:49:10.920
probably ahead of schedule from what I thought after that injury, right?
2040
01:49:10.939 --> 01:49:12.619
I thought that, you know, it would take a little
2041
01:49:12.640 --> 01:49:15.600
bit longer, but again, everyone recovers differently from head injuries, right?
2042
01:49:15.619 --> 01:49:18.270
So we don't really know if, you know, if, you know,
2043
01:49:18.319 --> 01:49:20.270
he's on the same path as anyone else. So I
2044
01:49:20.289 --> 01:49:22.569
think it's, it's good news. He's out there obviously, right? Like,
2045
01:49:22.689 --> 01:49:25.149
you know, clearly good enough to go out there and practice,
2046
01:49:25.609 --> 01:49:28.630
which is good. Well, he came back to play, right?
2047
01:49:28.649 --> 01:49:31.949
So clearly he is in it to play this year
2048
01:49:32.109 --> 01:49:36.149
and guys who, you know, who are competitive and, and
2049
01:49:36.170 --> 01:49:38.710
have a drive to win, why does he feel it?
2050
01:49:38.750 --> 01:49:40.609
He doesn't want to sit out, right? He wants to play.
2051
01:49:40.770 --> 01:49:42.949
And I think if he's healthy, he's going to play.
2052
01:49:43.239 --> 01:49:45.260
I felt it was kind of odd that we immediately
2053
01:49:45.300 --> 01:49:49.920
went to, like, Ramos should start when he comes back. Like, no,
2054
01:49:49.939 --> 01:49:52.460
we've seen Ramos play for 20 games. He might be
2055
01:49:52.500 --> 01:49:55.279
great at some point for Oregon. But Dante Moore is
2056
01:49:55.319 --> 01:49:57.439
their dude. Dante Moore is definitely going to start when
2057
01:49:57.460 --> 01:49:59.460
he comes back. I think he'll play when he's healthy.
2058
01:49:59.500 --> 01:50:01.869
I think... I think if Dan Lanning and staff and
2059
01:50:01.949 --> 01:50:04.289
the medical staff determine he's healthy to play this week,
2060
01:50:04.430 --> 01:50:06.359
he'll play this week. If not, he won't play this week.
2061
01:50:06.779 --> 01:50:09.140
And they'll be very cautious with it. But like I said,
2062
01:50:09.479 --> 01:50:11.539
if you pass all the tests, man, and there's a
2063
01:50:12.119 --> 01:50:15.619
multi-point test to come back to play, right? You have to,
2064
01:50:15.680 --> 01:50:17.140
part of it is, you know, you have to get
2065
01:50:17.159 --> 01:50:18.939
through a practice, right? And see how you feel afterwards.
2066
01:50:18.970 --> 01:50:21.609
Do you have any more concussion symptoms? Do you have
2067
01:50:21.630 --> 01:50:24.310
any headaches? And it starts with just a simple workout
2068
01:50:24.329 --> 01:50:26.090
in the weight room. And then it progresses to this.
2069
01:50:26.449 --> 01:50:30.270
If he passes all those checks, well, why would he
2070
01:50:30.310 --> 01:50:34.729
not play, right? That's put in place to make sure that,
2071
01:50:35.149 --> 01:50:37.859
you know, you stay as healthy as possible in these circumstances.
2072
01:50:37.880 --> 01:50:40.420
You come back healthy as possible. If he's cleared, Sean,
2073
01:50:40.460 --> 01:50:41.340
I imagine he's going to play.
2074
01:50:41.800 --> 01:50:44.640
So you don't think there's any conversation in the Dante
2075
01:50:44.680 --> 01:50:47.520
Moore camp of being like, look, you probably could have
2076
01:50:47.539 --> 01:50:48.979
gone to the NFL draft last year.
2077
01:50:49.020 --> 01:50:52.909
You didn't. And now we need to preserve whatever, you know.
2078
01:50:53.369 --> 01:50:54.390
This didn't seem like.
2079
01:50:56.939 --> 01:50:58.800
It didn't seem like the injury that's going to end
2080
01:50:58.840 --> 01:51:03.109
your season, but also Nick Bosa ended his season on
2081
01:51:03.149 --> 01:51:06.689
like a twisted ankle. So like when you're in that conversation,
2082
01:51:07.109 --> 01:51:09.810
do you say, Hey, you know what? Let's just be done.
2083
01:51:09.909 --> 01:51:12.369
Darren Peterson at Kansas wanted to do this last year.
2084
01:51:12.390 --> 01:51:14.699
The jazz ended up drafting him. He didn't want to
2085
01:51:14.720 --> 01:51:17.119
play college basketball, but he did because he was getting
2086
01:51:17.140 --> 01:51:17.659
a bunch of money.
2087
01:51:17.960 --> 01:51:18.199
Right.
2088
01:51:18.359 --> 01:51:21.159
And like Dante Moore, I don't know where, I don't
2089
01:51:21.180 --> 01:51:22.880
know if he loves playing at Oregon. I don't know
2090
01:51:22.899 --> 01:51:25.460
if it's like, something that he's just doing this to
2091
01:51:25.520 --> 01:51:28.470
make it to the nfl and to sign a 27
2092
01:51:28.470 --> 01:51:30.289
million dollar signing bonus or whatever.
2093
01:51:31.109 --> 01:51:35.489
Well i think um what's interesting is is he he
2094
01:51:35.529 --> 01:51:39.130
hasn't played terribly well and it's the wrong way to
2095
01:51:39.149 --> 01:51:40.869
put it like he hasn't played up to what people
2096
01:51:40.909 --> 01:51:43.050
thought he would this year and so i wonder if
2097
01:51:43.090 --> 01:51:44.369
some of him is like i just gotta get back
2098
01:51:44.409 --> 01:51:46.989
and put better film out there like i like i
2099
01:51:47.069 --> 01:51:49.569
i don't i'd rather you know just not sit out
2100
01:51:49.590 --> 01:51:51.689
the wrong way to say it but like i'm okay
2101
01:51:52.409 --> 01:51:56.149
if i if I could sit out or had good
2102
01:51:56.170 --> 01:51:59.430
enough film, I'd sit out. But Sean, he has not
2103
01:51:59.510 --> 01:52:03.590
played up to his standard so far this season, and
2104
01:52:03.670 --> 01:52:05.789
that might be why he would come back and put
2105
01:52:05.829 --> 01:52:06.550
better film out there.
2106
01:52:07.050 --> 01:52:07.229
Nice.
2107
01:52:07.489 --> 01:52:11.300
Okay, so that is something that I think we have
2108
01:52:11.340 --> 01:52:15.260
to factor in here. If your first four games are
2109
01:52:15.279 --> 01:52:20.000
just like consensus, incredible, all-American stuff, does it change the conversation?
2110
01:52:21.460 --> 01:52:24.489
I think it would, yes. He also has one more
2111
01:52:24.510 --> 01:52:26.449
year to come back, by the way. He's going to
2112
01:52:26.470 --> 01:52:27.029
have to go to the NFL.
2113
01:52:27.550 --> 01:52:27.710
Right.
2114
01:52:27.729 --> 01:52:30.189
I actually think Raiola has less years than him.
2115
01:52:32.029 --> 01:52:32.470
Is that true?
2116
01:52:33.529 --> 01:52:37.029
I think it might be. But he can still come back.
2117
01:52:37.569 --> 01:52:39.760
So there's no rush in my mind for him to
2118
01:52:39.779 --> 01:52:42.260
come back. But again, if he's healthy, he's going to play.
2119
01:52:42.279 --> 01:52:44.300
I don't know why he wouldn't. These people think Raiola's
2120
01:52:44.319 --> 01:52:46.279
going to take his job, but Raiola's not taking his job.
2121
01:52:47.560 --> 01:52:47.859
All right.
2122
01:52:49.359 --> 01:52:54.489
Warren Sharp and other people were tweeting about the... Excessive
2123
01:52:54.710 --> 01:52:58.869
over-officiating of NFL games so far this season. More flags
2124
01:52:58.890 --> 01:53:00.979
than you've had in over a decade through four weeks.
2125
01:53:02.060 --> 01:53:05.800
Number one most red zone penalties per game by offenses
2126
01:53:06.039 --> 01:53:09.119
in NFL history. Number one most penalties on third and
2127
01:53:09.159 --> 01:53:11.420
fourth downs in the second half of games in history.
2128
01:53:11.420 --> 01:53:15.079
17 touchdowns nullified by penalties so far this year.
2129
01:53:15.619 --> 01:53:17.420
Is the NFL being over-officiated?
2130
01:53:18.159 --> 01:53:22.369
That just hurt my brain. It's like just... These people
2131
01:53:22.430 --> 01:53:26.520
are just, dude, they're so obsessed with the officials. I've
2132
01:53:26.529 --> 01:53:29.340
watched a lot of football. I'm sure you have on Sundays.
2133
01:53:30.140 --> 01:53:32.899
I have never said once we have too many penalties
2134
01:53:32.939 --> 01:53:35.300
this year. Now, do I think the officials are perfect? No,
2135
01:53:35.399 --> 01:53:37.920
they miss calls all the time. But they are human.
2136
01:53:37.960 --> 01:53:39.840
It's a very tough job to do. I think some
2137
01:53:39.880 --> 01:53:41.840
calls you just can't miss. But I think for the
2138
01:53:41.880 --> 01:53:44.000
most part, they do a pretty good job. I have
2139
01:53:44.060 --> 01:53:46.279
not noticed too many flags. I haven't noticed a hole
2140
01:53:46.319 --> 01:53:47.750
up in games with too many flags. And that's how,
2141
01:53:47.770 --> 01:53:50.560
of course, people go right to like, Well, this is
2142
01:53:50.600 --> 01:53:54.619
why I lost my bets. They're just– come on, man.
2143
01:53:54.859 --> 01:53:58.229
Come on. I just– Sean, these tweets just feel like
2144
01:53:58.789 --> 01:54:02.930
people trying to aggregate stuff. I watch a ton of football.
2145
01:54:02.949 --> 01:54:05.829
I don't notice it at all. I don't notice it
2146
01:54:05.850 --> 01:54:08.449
at all. The gameplay has been fine. The games have
2147
01:54:08.470 --> 01:54:12.250
been really good. There are bad calls. The refs are
2148
01:54:12.289 --> 01:54:14.510
not perfect. But I think it's just not close to
2149
01:54:14.949 --> 01:54:16.750
the same way that this tweet wants to make it
2150
01:54:16.789 --> 01:54:17.109
out to be.
2151
01:54:18.359 --> 01:54:21.880
Did you ever get a Trey McBride treatment from an official?
2152
01:54:21.920 --> 01:54:24.029
What's the harshest treatment you ever got?
2153
01:54:24.039 --> 01:54:26.619
Thank you. I'm glad we were talking about this. So
2154
01:54:27.060 --> 01:54:29.739
for those who missed it, have you talked about this yet?
2155
01:54:29.979 --> 01:54:30.399
Not really.
2156
01:54:31.159 --> 01:54:34.359
So there was a video of an official cussing at
2157
01:54:34.390 --> 01:54:39.250
a player. And my thought was like, yeah, that's what happens.
2158
01:54:40.050 --> 01:54:43.369
Like we yell at them, they yell at us. Okay,
2159
01:54:43.750 --> 01:54:48.229
all right. I thought a two-game suspension for that felt harsh. Now,
2160
01:54:48.270 --> 01:54:52.090
the optics are not great, right? And maybe McBride was
2161
01:54:52.109 --> 01:54:53.720
the nicest guy all game, and he didn't deserve any
2162
01:54:53.760 --> 01:54:56.859
of this. But we cussed at referees, and they cussed
2163
01:54:56.920 --> 01:54:58.760
back at us. I didn't see the big issue. I
2164
01:55:00.760 --> 01:55:04.380
thought that was not that big of an issue. The
2165
01:55:04.500 --> 01:55:06.619
optics of it are pretty bad. I'll get the optics
2166
01:55:06.659 --> 01:55:09.060
of it don't look great. But, dude, that just did
2167
01:55:09.119 --> 01:55:13.449
not seem like a two-game suspension-worthy incident. for me, considering
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01:55:13.510 --> 01:55:16.470
how much that they get abused from coaches and players
2169
01:55:16.489 --> 01:55:19.189
throughout the game, and we do the fair share of that.
2170
01:55:21.010 --> 01:55:23.430
It's a bad clip, I get it, but without the
2171
01:55:23.470 --> 01:55:26.890
context of why he said that, Tugendam Spencer feels pretty heavy-handed.
2172
01:55:27.789 --> 01:55:29.829
What about the guy who got knocked over and got
2173
01:55:29.890 --> 01:55:30.310
up mad?
2174
01:55:31.310 --> 01:55:37.909
Okay, so it's Adrian Hill, right? I was told afterwards
2175
01:55:38.810 --> 01:55:41.380
him and The guy he ran into had a chat
2176
01:55:41.420 --> 01:55:44.899
about it. We're laughing about it. So if that's the
2177
01:55:44.939 --> 01:55:47.149
case and there's no ill will afterwards, why is he
2178
01:55:47.159 --> 01:55:49.590
being suspended again for a game? Like if they talked
2179
01:55:49.609 --> 01:55:52.630
it out, you got two grown men on the field.
2180
01:55:53.050 --> 01:55:55.409
Emotions are high. He gets run over. I thought it
2181
01:55:55.430 --> 01:55:58.680
was very unprofessional of the official to do that. Absolutely.
2182
01:56:00.159 --> 01:56:03.119
But suspension, if they talked it out, like right after
2183
01:56:03.140 --> 01:56:04.739
it happened and we're cool about it, it's supposed to
2184
01:56:04.760 --> 01:56:05.750
be excessive, Sean, doesn't it?
2185
01:56:06.460 --> 01:56:07.340
I mean, yes, absolutely.
2186
01:56:08.069 --> 01:56:10.029
And there's an article where he says he felt like
2187
01:56:10.060 --> 01:56:12.220
they were going to fight. You're not fighting a player.
2188
01:56:12.239 --> 01:56:18.260
No, that's silly. He shouldn't have said that. He said that?
2189
01:56:18.399 --> 01:56:19.100
That's not good.
2190
01:56:19.119 --> 01:56:20.979
No, sorry. That the players were going to fight. So
2191
01:56:21.000 --> 01:56:21.579
we got up and.
2192
01:56:21.859 --> 01:56:25.930
Oh. Yeah, it's not a great excuse. But I don't
2193
01:56:25.949 --> 01:56:27.569
think it's that big of a deal. I think the
2194
01:56:27.609 --> 01:56:30.430
suspensions feel aggressive in both those instances.
2195
01:56:32.810 --> 01:56:34.390
I feel like the NFL is not.
2196
01:56:35.899 --> 01:56:39.859
Usually as prisoner to the moment as everyone else is
2197
01:56:39.899 --> 01:56:42.359
when it comes to stuff like this they're not but
2198
01:56:43.800 --> 01:56:46.680
these are very reactive moves to the conversation aren't they.
2199
01:56:47.340 --> 01:56:48.960
Yeah i'm surprised i think it's a lot to do
2200
01:56:49.000 --> 01:56:51.140
so i think the nfl has been the best league
2201
01:56:51.159 --> 01:56:53.399
at avoiding social media when it comes to how the
2202
01:56:53.439 --> 01:56:56.310
discourse of their league goes and and how the punishments
2203
01:56:56.359 --> 01:56:58.369
go and just how they how they you know basically
2204
01:56:58.409 --> 01:57:01.310
run their league and this does feel like you sort
2205
01:57:01.340 --> 01:57:03.859
of have given in to the mob, right, in essence,
2206
01:57:04.579 --> 01:57:06.859
the online mob. So I'm with you on this. The
2207
01:57:07.020 --> 01:57:10.520
NFL just has never really acted this way in these instances,
2208
01:57:10.579 --> 01:57:12.319
and so I'm surprised they're doing it now. I really am.
2209
01:57:14.079 --> 01:57:17.239
There's no need to suspend these guys. No, there is.
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01:57:18.380 --> 01:57:21.340
To the world of college football, whose seat is hotter,
2211
01:57:21.359 --> 01:57:23.899
Deion Sanders or Kyle Whittingham?
2212
01:57:25.289 --> 01:57:31.899
Oof. So my Kyle Whittingham rebuttal is basically– has been this, right?
2213
01:57:31.939 --> 01:57:35.180
Like he's the only coach who didn't get to choose
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01:57:35.220 --> 01:57:36.439
his quarterback this off season.
2215
01:57:36.739 --> 01:57:39.260
We, we, I made that point yesterday when we were
2216
01:57:39.300 --> 01:57:41.260
talking about this, because.
2217
01:57:40.840 --> 01:57:45.050
That's a massive thing here. It's like the most important
2218
01:57:45.090 --> 01:57:45.489
thing here.
2219
01:57:46.289 --> 01:57:46.529
Yes.
2220
01:57:46.710 --> 01:57:50.250
So every other coach got to keep their quarterback or
2221
01:57:50.310 --> 01:57:52.329
get a new one, right? So, you know, Tosh Lapoi
2222
01:57:52.390 --> 01:57:55.810
got JKS, you know, Nico staying with, with Bob Chesney,
2223
01:57:56.399 --> 01:57:58.560
everyone else got to bring in their own quarterback. He
2224
01:57:58.579 --> 01:58:00.979
did not. He was stuck with Bryce Underwood and very
2225
01:58:01.060 --> 01:58:04.050
clearly does not like Bryce Underwood as a quarterback. And
2226
01:58:04.649 --> 01:58:06.989
it's unfair to me to judge him. Like we, you know,
2227
01:58:07.050 --> 01:58:12.119
are we pretending that Colin had a coach? Like, of
2228
01:58:12.159 --> 01:58:15.380
course he didn't forget how to coach. Quarterback stinks. Here's
2229
01:58:15.399 --> 01:58:15.779
the thing.
2230
01:58:16.520 --> 01:58:19.710
And we know this very well. I believe this about
2231
01:58:19.970 --> 01:58:20.510
every coach.
2232
01:58:20.609 --> 01:58:22.970
We definitely know it about Kyle Whittingham. I don't think
2233
01:58:23.010 --> 01:58:25.649
you can overcome stinky quarterback play.
2234
01:58:26.250 --> 01:58:30.159
Kyle Whittingham... proved in his final year at Utah, right?
2235
01:58:30.220 --> 01:58:32.380
The reason he came back was to prove in his
2236
01:58:32.420 --> 01:58:36.100
final year at Utah was that like, I, my legacy
2237
01:58:36.260 --> 01:58:37.840
and who I am as a coach is not going
2238
01:58:37.859 --> 01:58:40.560
to be determined by stinky quarterback play and having to
2239
01:58:40.619 --> 01:58:43.079
go down to the fifth guy on the depth chart, right?
2240
01:58:43.180 --> 01:58:44.550
That whole injury situation.
2241
01:58:45.300 --> 01:58:46.939
And whether it was handled properly or not is a
2242
01:58:46.960 --> 01:58:49.979
different conversation, but that mess of not having the right
2243
01:58:50.060 --> 01:58:53.810
quarterback is why Kyle Whittingham was like, I'm not going
2244
01:58:53.890 --> 01:58:55.789
out on the sour note, a losing record.
2245
01:58:56.090 --> 01:58:56.729
I'm not doing it.
2246
01:58:56.789 --> 01:58:58.369
And then he came back and he had an 11
2247
01:58:58.369 --> 01:59:01.170
win season, 10 of which he coached. The 11th was
2248
01:59:01.210 --> 01:59:04.229
the bowl game that Morgan Scali coached, of course. And,
2249
01:59:04.449 --> 01:59:07.779
and that led to the Michigan opportunity. So look, I
2250
01:59:07.800 --> 01:59:09.819
don't think it's going well. I don't think he's doing
2251
01:59:09.859 --> 01:59:12.539
anything remotely perfect. I don't like the way that he
2252
01:59:12.579 --> 01:59:15.300
talks in the post game press conferences and compared to
2253
01:59:15.340 --> 01:59:17.439
what we got for 21 years from him at Utah.
2254
01:59:17.859 --> 01:59:18.060
Why?
2255
01:59:18.100 --> 01:59:19.920
Because he's more emotional than these?
2256
01:59:20.460 --> 01:59:22.619
Actually, I will say 20 years from what we got
2257
01:59:22.699 --> 01:59:26.819
at Utah. So Kyle Whittingham, for years and years and years,
2258
01:59:27.850 --> 01:59:30.789
he was always like, dude, we screwed it up.
2259
01:59:30.850 --> 01:59:35.770
Nobody cares. Injuries, our fault. Bad timeout, my fault. We
2260
01:59:35.789 --> 01:59:39.569
made the wrong play. Our quarterback threw an interception, my fault.
2261
01:59:39.750 --> 01:59:43.800
He was always that guy forever and ever. And then
2262
01:59:44.300 --> 01:59:47.659
last year, he blamed the BYU loss on analytics. And
2263
01:59:47.720 --> 01:59:50.229
then this year, he's like, you know, when they lost
2264
01:59:50.250 --> 01:59:51.949
to Iowa, he's like, God, Jay Hill wanted to be
2265
01:59:51.989 --> 01:59:55.649
in that formation. It's like, whoa. That's not you.
2266
01:59:55.670 --> 01:59:57.449
I think.
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01:59:59.449 --> 02:00:06.460
I just think it's... I don't know. I think he
2268
02:00:06.560 --> 02:00:09.060
feels it because he wasn't able to choose the quarterback
2269
02:00:09.100 --> 02:00:11.760
that he feels like maybe... He's just defending himself a
2270
02:00:11.760 --> 02:00:12.600
little bit more, right?
2271
02:00:12.739 --> 02:00:15.399
Which, by the way, I think is a totally valid excuse.
2272
02:00:15.659 --> 02:00:19.479
And we could talk all day about this. If the
2273
02:00:19.560 --> 02:00:22.850
money guys are the ones who decide who gets to
2274
02:00:22.890 --> 02:00:25.350
be your coach, but then the money guys are also like, well,
2275
02:00:25.390 --> 02:00:28.350
we already paid for this quarterback, so tell the coach
2276
02:00:28.390 --> 02:00:30.569
you've got to keep him. Then does the coach get
2277
02:00:30.590 --> 02:00:32.189
to go back to the money guys and be like,
2278
02:00:32.210 --> 02:00:34.449
you can't fire me because you stuck me with this
2279
02:00:34.489 --> 02:00:35.010
dumb kid?
2280
02:00:36.229 --> 02:00:38.470
Well, I think after this year, they'll let him choose
2281
02:00:38.479 --> 02:00:40.510
his quarterback as my guess. If he's still their coach,
2282
02:00:40.550 --> 02:00:41.130
maybe he's not.
2283
02:00:41.390 --> 02:00:41.590
Yeah.
2284
02:00:41.770 --> 02:00:45.510
Well, you know, the Dion thing, like guys, he's not
2285
02:00:45.529 --> 02:00:48.810
a good coach. He had one year where he had,
2286
02:00:48.869 --> 02:00:52.369
you know, his, his son, Travis Hunter. Otherwise it's very
2287
02:00:52.409 --> 02:00:55.789
clearly not a good coach. Dude, did you see the play?
2288
02:00:55.810 --> 02:00:57.529
They had eight players on the field for a field
2289
02:00:57.550 --> 02:00:59.710
goal block and then call timeout and had nine players
2290
02:00:59.750 --> 02:01:03.689
on the field. Next, next play. It's not a good coach.
2291
02:01:04.010 --> 02:01:04.510
Incredible.
2292
02:01:04.810 --> 02:01:07.199
That's fine. It's just not good. Like, Hot seat's the
2293
02:01:07.239 --> 02:01:09.119
wrong way to put it. I mean, he just won't
2294
02:01:09.159 --> 02:01:11.819
be back next year. And, you know, I think that,
2295
02:01:12.899 --> 02:01:14.460
you know, we talked about this at a time when
2296
02:01:14.659 --> 02:01:18.260
this happened. Like, sort of the selling out of the
2297
02:01:18.319 --> 02:01:23.239
program for Coach felt aggressive. Like, you had people that brought,
2298
02:01:23.390 --> 02:01:26.510
you know, that bought, like, prime sweatshirts. They say prime
2299
02:01:26.569 --> 02:01:28.210
on it, right, with the Colorado Buffalo logo?
2300
02:01:28.350 --> 02:01:28.550
Yes.
2301
02:01:29.149 --> 02:01:32.189
Well, when he leaves, what's the value of that sweatshirt
2302
02:01:32.210 --> 02:01:34.649
to you? It's still the Colorado program.
2303
02:01:34.729 --> 02:01:36.770
At that point, it's dead stock, so the value goes up.
2304
02:01:37.170 --> 02:01:41.609
I guess so. But it just feels dead. He's run
2305
02:01:41.649 --> 02:01:44.810
through coaches and players now, and they're not a good
2306
02:01:44.850 --> 02:01:49.020
football team. They're just really not. He had his chance
2307
02:01:49.039 --> 02:01:52.039
the one year with his son and with Travis Hunter
2308
02:01:52.060 --> 02:01:55.159
in his second year. You guys are going to beat
2309
02:01:55.180 --> 02:02:01.100
them by 50 points in two weeks. You might win
2310
02:02:01.140 --> 02:02:02.520
this weekend by a lot of points, I feel like.
2311
02:02:03.390 --> 02:02:04.449
Yeah, what do you think of Kansas?
2312
02:02:05.029 --> 02:02:07.149
Oh, they're very good, and you guys are off a bye.
2313
02:02:07.670 --> 02:02:10.149
Doesn't it feel so much better on a Saturday to
2314
02:02:10.170 --> 02:02:11.649
not have to stress about your team playing?
2315
02:02:12.090 --> 02:02:13.229
No, I hate bye weeks.
2316
02:02:13.449 --> 02:02:16.409
We both had byes. It was like Saturday was so stress-free.
2317
02:02:16.430 --> 02:02:18.689
No, but so boring.
2318
02:02:18.949 --> 02:02:20.850
I think we had a Thunderbats win on Saturday, too,
2319
02:02:20.949 --> 02:02:22.529
so we got a nice little win on Saturday. The
2320
02:02:22.550 --> 02:02:24.369
6-0 Bats, baby.
2321
02:02:24.390 --> 02:02:25.470
All right.
2322
02:02:25.850 --> 02:02:29.229
You want to know something? So we play Thursday, Sean,
2323
02:02:29.250 --> 02:02:31.109
and I will not be there. I'm traveling back from
2324
02:02:31.130 --> 02:02:33.979
New York. On Thursday. And it's killing me because it's
2325
02:02:33.989 --> 02:02:36.720
the best team we play all year. I won't be there.
2326
02:02:37.899 --> 02:02:40.399
I'll be watching on the app. We have a video
2327
02:02:40.420 --> 02:02:43.939
stream of the game. And yesterday I was joking with Emmy.
2328
02:02:43.970 --> 02:02:47.010
I'll just text you my thoughts to your watch during
2329
02:02:47.029 --> 02:02:49.869
the game. And she's like, really? I'm like, no, Emerson.
2330
02:02:49.909 --> 02:02:52.569
I'm not going to text you to in the game.
2331
02:02:53.109 --> 02:02:55.350
I told her I'll just call pitches.
2332
02:02:55.369 --> 02:02:57.989
Is she tipping her pitches when there's a runner on
2333
02:02:58.029 --> 02:03:01.140
second base? Can they read like in the Padres-Brewers game?
2334
02:03:01.239 --> 02:03:05.399
How about that, dude? There had to be pitches tipped
2335
02:03:05.420 --> 02:03:09.340
because there's no way that Cheerio is taking a 1-2
2336
02:03:09.439 --> 02:03:14.550
slider after seeing 104. I was talking to one of
2337
02:03:14.590 --> 02:03:16.970
my producers on my bare-bed show. He's a former college
2338
02:03:17.250 --> 02:03:20.630
baseball player. Before he even saw all the stuff about
2339
02:03:20.789 --> 02:03:22.640
the tipping pitches. Yeah, they had to have it because
2340
02:03:22.649 --> 02:03:25.199
there's just no way you take that pitch after you've
2341
02:03:25.239 --> 02:03:28.180
seen four straight fastballs unless you know it's coming. And
2342
02:03:28.819 --> 02:03:31.560
then you saw, obviously, the Brewers' second baseman or the
2343
02:03:31.579 --> 02:03:34.659
runner on second signal. It's crazy that even with pitch
2344
02:03:34.689 --> 02:03:38.189
calm now, guys are still able to tip pitches based
2345
02:03:38.210 --> 02:03:39.989
on the way they hold the ball in the glove,
2346
02:03:40.029 --> 02:03:41.789
which is basically what he was doing, was to tell
2347
02:03:41.970 --> 02:03:43.369
based on how he was holding the ball in the glove.
2348
02:03:44.890 --> 02:03:45.529
That's crazy.
2349
02:03:46.220 --> 02:03:46.529
It is crazy.
2350
02:03:47.069 --> 02:03:49.060
A one Oh four fastball than like an 88 mile
2351
02:03:49.119 --> 02:03:53.399
an hour slider. It's insane, dude.
2352
02:03:54.199 --> 02:03:57.500
The, the trade craft in baseball is so fascinating to
2353
02:03:57.560 --> 02:04:00.079
me because it's like, we've played this game for 125
2354
02:04:00.079 --> 02:04:04.350
years and they've figured out longer than that. And they
2355
02:04:04.369 --> 02:04:08.649
figured out just every possible way to mess with things,
2356
02:04:08.750 --> 02:04:12.789
to cheat things, to like rules versus unwritten rules.
2357
02:04:12.890 --> 02:04:15.029
It's, Dude, we had two games this week where the
2358
02:04:15.069 --> 02:04:19.050
ball hit the roof, and it was playable. It was
2359
02:04:19.090 --> 02:04:21.430
an insane, insane rule.
2360
02:04:22.350 --> 02:04:22.989
Very crazy.
2361
02:04:23.710 --> 02:04:27.010
Like, it's crazy they can do that. And, yeah, baseball
2362
02:04:27.029 --> 02:04:29.390
is all about finding these little edges and whatnot. It's
2363
02:04:29.409 --> 02:04:32.420
so funny because for a softball, like, my steal signal
2364
02:04:32.439 --> 02:04:35.720
that just touched my sleeve was shocking, and all the
2365
02:04:35.739 --> 02:04:37.279
other team will be like, they're stealing. I'm like, you
2366
02:04:37.319 --> 02:04:41.520
can't find anyone out anyways, so why does it matter? Congrats,
2367
02:04:41.539 --> 02:04:42.220
you know we're stealing.
2368
02:04:42.239 --> 02:04:42.340
Yeah.
2369
02:04:42.840 --> 02:04:43.560
Good for you.
2370
02:04:43.739 --> 02:04:45.619
Not a single girl's been thrown out in the four
2371
02:04:45.659 --> 02:04:48.100
years I've been coaching at second base. So it's not
2372
02:04:48.119 --> 02:04:48.779
going to start now.
2373
02:04:49.939 --> 02:04:54.689
Um, you're fighting. Justin Herbert's are Owen for, and he's buddy.
2374
02:04:54.930 --> 02:04:58.029
There's one team in the last million years that's started
2375
02:04:58.090 --> 02:04:59.649
on four and still made the playoffs.
2376
02:04:59.710 --> 02:05:04.329
So it was right. The giants, the 92 chargers.
2377
02:05:05.510 --> 02:05:05.930
Is that true?
2378
02:05:06.409 --> 02:05:07.210
Yeah, I think so.
2379
02:05:07.810 --> 02:05:08.090
Okay.
2380
02:05:08.529 --> 02:05:13.949
Well, um, they're bad. Michael Daniel. Oh, man. Uh, You know,
2381
02:05:15.380 --> 02:05:18.600
Michael Daniels running the two offense for Herbert. Like, run
2382
02:05:18.619 --> 02:05:20.520
the Herbert offense, man. Like, what are we doing here?
2383
02:05:21.180 --> 02:05:23.020
You know, Herbert's not played great. Don't get me wrong,
2384
02:05:23.060 --> 02:05:25.739
but they do not help him out with protection, with scheme,
2385
02:05:25.800 --> 02:05:31.750
with drop passes. They just... Harbaugh legitimately ought to be
2386
02:05:31.789 --> 02:05:32.489
on the hot seat, dude.
2387
02:05:36.289 --> 02:05:40.060
Jim Harbaugh is on the hot seat with the Chargers
2388
02:05:40.109 --> 02:05:41.479
after four games, in your opinion.
2389
02:05:41.939 --> 02:05:42.239
Yeah.
2390
02:05:42.260 --> 02:05:42.340
Yeah.
2391
02:05:44.800 --> 02:05:49.600
Next USC head coach? He has, like, a one-year suspension, though,
2392
02:05:49.619 --> 02:05:50.380
with a show clause.
2393
02:05:50.539 --> 02:05:50.859
Yeah.
2394
02:05:51.659 --> 02:05:53.979
But, I mean, if USC can stomach one more year
2395
02:05:54.000 --> 02:05:56.199
of Lincoln Riley, they can just hire Harbaugh. Let's do
2396
02:05:56.260 --> 02:05:57.020
one more year of Riley.
2397
02:05:57.060 --> 02:06:00.100
James says two more years. Maybe you just trade. Lincoln
2398
02:06:00.140 --> 02:06:01.479
Riley goes to the Chargers.
2399
02:06:02.020 --> 02:06:03.159
I want Lincoln Riley to stay forever.
2400
02:06:05.479 --> 02:06:08.560
That would be nice. If USC just continued to be
2401
02:06:08.939 --> 02:06:11.949
angry for the next two decades. They've won one.
2402
02:06:12.590 --> 02:06:14.609
one big game in five years. They beat Notre Dame
2403
02:06:14.670 --> 02:06:16.229
one of those years that he was there. Maybe his
2404
02:06:16.250 --> 02:06:19.390
first year. They lost Utah every time, lost Oregon every time.
2405
02:06:19.430 --> 02:06:22.289
They've lost every big game they've played and they've lost.
2406
02:06:23.930 --> 02:06:26.569
Should I buy my Super Bowl tickets yet because the
2407
02:06:26.590 --> 02:06:28.090
San Francisco 49ers are gone?
2408
02:06:29.550 --> 02:06:31.609
I mean, unless the substation takes the rest of your team.
2409
02:06:31.729 --> 02:06:33.479
Don't! Don't even mention it.
2410
02:06:33.829 --> 02:06:35.729
What do you make of the substation thing?
2411
02:06:36.069 --> 02:06:37.069
I am a full believer.
2412
02:06:37.470 --> 02:06:39.489
Of course you are. I couldn't answer that for myself.
2413
02:06:39.560 --> 02:06:40.260
Yes, you know.
2414
02:06:40.619 --> 02:06:45.500
You know exactly how I'm going to answer that question.
2415
02:06:46.279 --> 02:06:48.699
By the way, I know you had texted me about
2416
02:06:48.739 --> 02:06:50.699
what to talk about today in terms of internet trolls.
2417
02:06:50.960 --> 02:06:51.560
Yes.
2418
02:06:52.189 --> 02:06:54.289
I got a text from Guy Haberman this morning. It
2419
02:06:54.329 --> 02:06:58.170
was so good. He screenshotted one of the tweets I
2420
02:06:58.189 --> 02:07:01.090
sent out with this guy. I've been harassing for weeks.
2421
02:07:01.789 --> 02:07:04.829
And he says, those guys don't know Jeff can't be offended.
2422
02:07:04.850 --> 02:07:08.569
Good luck to them. They don't know thy enemy. I'm like, yeah, buddy.
2423
02:07:08.590 --> 02:07:09.069
That's right.
2424
02:07:09.670 --> 02:07:11.069
Pick on the wrong person.
2425
02:07:11.130 --> 02:07:13.569
They got to read a little Sun Tzu. They do
2426
02:07:13.609 --> 02:07:14.470
not know their enemy.
2427
02:07:14.710 --> 02:07:18.100
No, they do not. But the substation, of course, you
2428
02:07:18.140 --> 02:07:21.720
would believe in that. No surprise for that. Definitely not
2429
02:07:21.760 --> 02:07:25.680
the reason why. But if you don't have guys healthy. But, dude,
2430
02:07:25.720 --> 02:07:28.600
I mean, Shanahan is such a good coach, man. He's
2431
02:07:28.899 --> 02:07:30.880
just an incredible coach. He deserves to win a tight
2432
02:07:30.899 --> 02:07:35.760
championship at some point. It's in Los Angeles.
2433
02:07:36.119 --> 02:07:36.680
It's in L.A. Yeah.
2434
02:07:37.609 --> 02:07:39.750
I could go stay with your parents, save on the hotel.
2435
02:07:39.770 --> 02:07:41.189
I'm sure they would love that, actually.
2436
02:07:41.609 --> 02:07:43.210
And, yeah.
2437
02:07:44.560 --> 02:07:47.880
Tickets now are only like $ 7, 000 for Obstructed View.
2438
02:07:48.039 --> 02:07:50.199
Meredith's probably coming to L.A. for Super Bowl week, though.
2439
02:07:50.520 --> 02:07:50.779
Really?
2440
02:07:51.420 --> 02:07:51.779
Probably.
2441
02:07:51.819 --> 02:07:52.539
Oh, my gosh.
2442
02:07:52.800 --> 02:07:54.909
See, then I give my wife something to do. She
2443
02:07:54.930 --> 02:07:58.010
can go hang out with your wife. Although, the shopping
2444
02:07:58.029 --> 02:07:59.710
they did would cost me more than the Super Bowl.
2445
02:07:59.729 --> 02:08:01.869
About Sam. money are they going to spend?
2446
02:08:02.050 --> 02:08:04.090
Nevermind. Nevermind.
2447
02:08:04.890 --> 02:08:06.069
I was like, I was like, how much money are
2448
02:08:06.090 --> 02:08:11.720
they going to spend? Um, yeah, dude, it's, uh, it's no, well, she's,
2449
02:08:11.920 --> 02:08:16.439
she's actually been better with the shop being ish. I've been,
2450
02:08:16.500 --> 02:08:18.380
I've been proud of her. She spends money everywhere things,
2451
02:08:18.439 --> 02:08:21.409
but like, It's been better with shopping, which I do like.
2452
02:08:22.510 --> 02:08:24.409
All our money on vacations, though.
2453
02:08:24.630 --> 02:08:28.340
So I want you to, apropos of nothing, there was
2454
02:08:28.439 --> 02:08:33.300
a former NFL linebacker on the UFC card this last
2455
02:08:33.340 --> 02:08:39.739
weekend in Salt Lake City. And he had his cup
2456
02:08:39.779 --> 02:08:42.859
of coffee in the NFL. His name is Anthony Wint.
2457
02:08:43.159 --> 02:08:48.739
He fought for like 20 seconds. The guy that the
2458
02:08:48.760 --> 02:08:50.760
guy that he was fighting was just so scared of
2459
02:08:50.800 --> 02:08:54.640
how like physically overwhelming he was to beat him. He
2460
02:08:54.680 --> 02:08:56.699
kind of like faked and fell down. He only got
2461
02:08:56.739 --> 02:08:58.659
hit with one punch and just fell down and was like,
2462
02:08:58.739 --> 02:09:00.180
I'm done. I don't want to do this anymore.
2463
02:09:00.779 --> 02:09:01.590
Sounds like a fix was in.
2464
02:09:02.020 --> 02:09:04.659
Well, it, it almost would have looked like that except
2465
02:09:04.680 --> 02:09:06.699
the guy was just like, you know, he's like a
2466
02:09:06.770 --> 02:09:11.369
chubby 260 pound guy going up against a five foot
2467
02:09:11.369 --> 02:09:13.609
11 inch, 240 pound ball of muscle.
2468
02:09:13.770 --> 02:09:15.850
And he was just like, Oh crap, this is crazy.
2469
02:09:16.609 --> 02:09:21.210
So, um, I, the reason I want you to watch
2470
02:09:21.270 --> 02:09:24.119
it is because like this guy was not a good
2471
02:09:24.199 --> 02:09:24.800
NFL player.
2472
02:09:24.840 --> 02:09:25.760
He was great in college.
2473
02:09:25.779 --> 02:09:29.220
He's the all time leading tackler in Florida international history
2474
02:09:29.260 --> 02:09:29.760
or something.
2475
02:09:29.779 --> 02:09:31.220
So he was an, he was an awesome player at
2476
02:09:31.260 --> 02:09:31.720
that level.
2477
02:09:31.859 --> 02:09:32.079
Yeah.
2478
02:09:32.340 --> 02:09:34.159
And then he couldn't really hack into the NFL, but
2479
02:09:34.380 --> 02:09:38.329
now it's like, he is the best athlete in the
2480
02:09:38.350 --> 02:09:41.369
sport of MMA. And it just is as an MMA
2481
02:09:41.390 --> 02:09:43.609
guy or as an NFL guy, I just want to
2482
02:09:43.770 --> 02:09:45.689
show you what it looks like when people with your
2483
02:09:45.729 --> 02:09:48.399
athleticism are Come to this other sport.
2484
02:09:49.239 --> 02:09:50.579
Wasn't Scooby Wright doing some of this?
2485
02:09:51.699 --> 02:09:55.779
He did. He trained. He never fought. Yeah. Shout out
2486
02:09:55.800 --> 02:09:56.699
to two-star Scoob.
2487
02:09:56.720 --> 02:10:00.380
I would probably be a good UFC guy.
2488
02:10:00.600 --> 02:10:05.300
Former NFL wide receiver in Colorado Buffalo, Michael Westbrook, actually
2489
02:10:05.800 --> 02:10:08.100
was a pro fighter after his NFL career, and he
2490
02:10:08.140 --> 02:10:09.359
had a long NFL career.
2491
02:10:10.140 --> 02:10:12.210
He started fighting when he was in his 30s.
2492
02:10:13.439 --> 02:10:14.229
Did you go to the fights?
2493
02:10:14.819 --> 02:10:15.050
I did.
2494
02:10:16.689 --> 02:10:20.960
That's interesting. That's like someone who covers football go into
2495
02:10:20.979 --> 02:10:24.340
a football game where they don't cover it, I guess. Yeah.
2496
02:10:24.579 --> 02:10:25.279
Did your wife go with you?
2497
02:10:25.579 --> 02:10:26.600
She did, yes.
2498
02:10:26.619 --> 02:10:27.060
She liked it?
2499
02:10:27.460 --> 02:10:29.420
Yeah, she likes fights. She enjoys fights.
2500
02:10:29.520 --> 02:10:31.300
I've got to tell you, Meredith loves it now.
2501
02:10:31.619 --> 02:10:32.119
Yeah, well.
2502
02:10:32.659 --> 02:10:33.079
All in.
2503
02:10:33.359 --> 02:10:34.920
Hopefully we're in Charlotte again next year.
2504
02:10:35.460 --> 02:10:37.470
When do you get the schedule again? You won't know
2505
02:10:37.510 --> 02:10:38.100
for a little bit, probably.
2506
02:10:38.119 --> 02:10:40.090
Yeah, probably like the month before we get the event.
2507
02:10:40.149 --> 02:10:41.649
I don't know.
2508
02:10:42.050 --> 02:10:42.329
We're in.
2509
02:10:42.350 --> 02:10:44.270
Hopefully there's a VIP section this time.
2510
02:10:46.729 --> 02:10:47.449
I'll do my best.
2511
02:10:48.079 --> 02:10:50.640
My wife was so angry. I was like, does it
2512
02:10:50.659 --> 02:10:53.680
appear to be VIP sex? She's like, fine. We'll just
2513
02:10:53.739 --> 02:10:55.180
sit four rows in the cage.
2514
02:10:55.520 --> 02:10:57.619
Yeah. How dare you?
2515
02:10:58.420 --> 02:11:02.060
Sit four rows in the cage. Watch fights for nonstop
2516
02:11:02.090 --> 02:11:04.210
for four hours in a row. What do you do?
2517
02:11:04.430 --> 02:11:06.930
So when a fight goes one minute, right? You have
2518
02:11:06.949 --> 02:11:10.750
to fill the next 15. Are you guys prepared to
2519
02:11:10.789 --> 02:11:11.989
do that? Or do you have to make it up
2520
02:11:12.029 --> 02:11:12.489
on the fly?
2521
02:11:12.630 --> 02:11:13.949
Well, you just make it up on the fly. But
2522
02:11:13.970 --> 02:11:16.659
you kind of know... what you're going to talk about.
2523
02:11:16.699 --> 02:11:19.060
You push the next event, and then you push the
2524
02:11:19.239 --> 02:11:21.189
main event coming up on that same night.
2525
02:11:21.520 --> 02:11:23.010
Just repeating the same stuff, essentially.
2526
02:11:23.050 --> 02:11:23.829
For the most part, yeah.
2527
02:11:24.029 --> 02:11:24.949
Yeah, that makes sense.
2528
02:11:25.029 --> 02:11:26.770
Yeah, but I mean, you know, the first time you
2529
02:11:26.789 --> 02:11:29.550
stand up, you have 30 seconds or 60 seconds to
2530
02:11:29.590 --> 02:11:32.630
talk about it. So if you're emptying your clip with
2531
02:11:32.829 --> 02:11:34.850
that 60 seconds, it means you didn't do enough prep.
2532
02:11:36.289 --> 02:11:37.970
Oh, no, certainly. I'm just saying, like, there were some
2533
02:11:38.409 --> 02:11:40.909
fights you had to do, like, 12 minutes of filibustering.
2534
02:11:40.930 --> 02:11:41.390
Yes, for sure.
2535
02:11:41.810 --> 02:11:42.090
Yeah.
2536
02:11:42.529 --> 02:11:44.329
But you know me. I can filibuster with the best
2537
02:11:44.350 --> 02:11:44.489
of them.
2538
02:11:45.380 --> 02:11:47.699
So can I. That's why we're never on time.
2539
02:11:48.750 --> 02:11:52.369
Just like right now, over the clock. Appreciate you joining
2540
02:11:52.430 --> 02:11:56.970
us as you do every single Tuesday. And I guess
2541
02:11:56.989 --> 02:11:59.050
we'll talk this weekend on the group chat when we're
2542
02:11:59.069 --> 02:12:00.180
making fun of USC.
2543
02:12:00.229 --> 02:12:02.439
Oh, they're losing to Penn State this weekend, by the way, too.
2544
02:12:02.680 --> 02:12:03.939
It's going to be a rough one.
2545
02:12:04.100 --> 02:12:08.319
That'll be the nail in the coffin for Lincoln Riley, right?
2546
02:12:08.399 --> 02:12:09.819
I can't feel like... I don't know who does Dan
2547
02:12:09.840 --> 02:12:11.399
root for. I can't figure it out.
2548
02:12:12.689 --> 02:12:15.659
He roots for every team... That was in the Pac-12.
2549
02:12:15.840 --> 02:12:22.310
Oh, just a pure Pac-12 guy. Interesting. Just a pure homer.
2550
02:12:23.569 --> 02:12:23.750
Cool.
2551
02:12:23.909 --> 02:12:24.350
Thanks, dude.
2552
02:12:24.409 --> 02:12:25.229
Appreciate you. All right, bud.
2553
02:12:25.250 --> 02:12:25.390
Bye.
2554
02:12:25.430 --> 02:12:25.810
Have a good week.
2555
02:12:26.029 --> 02:12:26.189
Bye.
2556
02:12:26.630 --> 02:12:31.829
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Utah Mammoth in action tonight, part of their East Coast swing.
2597
02:14:46.970 --> 02:14:50.170
They're in Jersey taking on the New Jersey Devils. Puck
2598
02:14:50.210 --> 02:14:55.510
drops at 5 p.m. Mountain Time, so early on the
2599
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app and wherever else you're watching Utah Mammoth games. The
2600
02:15:02.529 --> 02:15:05.890
Devils so far are 1-1 in the regular season. They
2601
02:15:05.930 --> 02:15:09.590
got smashed by the Islanders 6-0. They beat the Philadelphia
2602
02:15:09.649 --> 02:15:14.819
Flyers 3-2. They are sort of on the same level
2603
02:15:15.180 --> 02:15:21.260
of preseason expectation as the Utah Mammoth. When it comes
2604
02:15:21.300 --> 02:15:24.239
to your betting odds, they have the exact same odds
2605
02:15:24.319 --> 02:15:27.729
to hoist the Stanley cup this season as the Utah
2606
02:15:27.750 --> 02:15:29.750
mammoth at plus 3000.
2607
02:15:29.750 --> 02:15:32.029
But it makes sense. They, they lost in the first
2608
02:15:32.069 --> 02:15:33.689
round of the playoffs too, right? Or did they make
2609
02:15:33.710 --> 02:15:36.170
the playoffs last year? I'm going to have to look
2610
02:15:36.329 --> 02:15:38.609
that either just missed it or lost in the first
2611
02:15:38.670 --> 02:15:42.270
round too. Maybe they had some nice off season additions
2612
02:15:42.989 --> 02:15:45.729
like the mammoth did, by the way, Jack Hughes, that
2613
02:15:45.810 --> 02:15:50.779
toothless previously toothless wonder American hero. That's his team, New
2614
02:15:50.800 --> 02:15:53.689
Jersey devils. So that, So we're going to take down
2615
02:15:53.710 --> 02:15:54.689
an American hero tonight.
2616
02:15:56.989 --> 02:15:58.949
I don't know how much I love Jack Hughes because
2617
02:15:58.970 --> 02:15:59.909
he got his teeth fixed.
2618
02:16:00.220 --> 02:16:00.819
You know what I mean?
2619
02:16:01.420 --> 02:16:04.140
I wanted him to keep it that way forever so
2620
02:16:04.180 --> 02:16:06.659
we could always look at him and remember the glorious
2621
02:16:06.699 --> 02:16:10.380
day that USA beat Canada for the gold medal.
2622
02:16:11.810 --> 02:16:13.909
But yeah, they've got Hughes. They've got Nick Bugstad.
2623
02:16:13.949 --> 02:16:19.130
They've got a pretty solid top line young team.
2624
02:16:19.890 --> 02:16:20.449
They've got.
2625
02:16:22.220 --> 02:16:24.279
Like three guys on this team that are over 30
2626
02:16:24.279 --> 02:16:26.680
years old. There's just not, I guess there's a few
2627
02:16:26.699 --> 02:16:28.560
more than that, but it's a, it's a young team.
2628
02:16:29.359 --> 02:16:34.139
And this Utah mammoth squad, if you, if you're going
2629
02:16:34.159 --> 02:16:36.319
to be what we think you're going to be this year,
2630
02:16:37.299 --> 02:16:40.379
you got to keep the goal scoring and the effective
2631
02:16:40.420 --> 02:16:41.899
play on the road. You got to be good on
2632
02:16:42.079 --> 02:16:45.500
with your special teams on the road. More trade talks,
2633
02:16:45.569 --> 02:16:49.569
by the way, for the Utah mammoth, as we, we,
2634
02:16:49.750 --> 02:16:54.690
we discussed this with, With Tom Callahan, we discussed this
2635
02:16:54.729 --> 02:16:59.579
with Adrian Denny. Anytime that there's a player available, anytime
2636
02:16:59.600 --> 02:17:02.219
that there's a player request, a trade request or something
2637
02:17:02.260 --> 02:17:05.739
like that, the Utah Mammoth are going to be involved
2638
02:17:05.760 --> 02:17:08.180
in that conversation because people.
2639
02:17:07.940 --> 02:17:09.569
Are like, yeah, they're a player away.
2640
02:17:09.600 --> 02:17:13.690
They're a, they're a, defenseman away or their backup goaltender
2641
02:17:13.729 --> 02:17:16.909
away or whatever. They've got enough, you know, in baseball,
2642
02:17:16.930 --> 02:17:18.610
you'd call it farm talent, right?
2643
02:17:18.750 --> 02:17:18.989
Yes.
2644
02:17:19.270 --> 02:17:21.649
Talent in the farm system. I'm not sure. Is it
2645
02:17:21.709 --> 02:17:24.149
the barn system in hockey? Cause they're hockey barns.
2646
02:17:24.190 --> 02:17:24.510
I don't know.
2647
02:17:24.909 --> 02:17:28.299
But in the, in the minor leagues, they got enough
2648
02:17:28.579 --> 02:17:33.219
particularly goal scoring talent to where teams are like, yeah,
2649
02:17:33.280 --> 02:17:35.819
we can, we'd talk to you about a trade. Now
2650
02:17:36.200 --> 02:17:41.299
the question is, And that's why Bill Armstrong gets paid
2651
02:17:41.340 --> 02:17:45.579
the big bucks is like, which one, which of these
2652
02:17:45.729 --> 02:17:48.270
players that you have waiting in the wings, TJ Ginla,
2653
02:17:48.329 --> 02:17:51.659
et cetera, are you willing to part for, and which
2654
02:17:51.739 --> 02:17:55.559
player are you willing to part, part with those players for, right?
2655
02:17:55.659 --> 02:17:58.920
So this is, that's the complicated part of this because
2656
02:17:58.959 --> 02:18:02.270
you could very quickly go from a team that has
2657
02:18:02.290 --> 02:18:04.489
an embarrassment of riches with young players waiting in the
2658
02:18:04.510 --> 02:18:08.270
wings to a team that has no assets and, And
2659
02:18:08.670 --> 02:18:12.000
maybe the guys you traded for don't give you the
2660
02:18:12.040 --> 02:18:14.239
return you hope they would. And now you're all of
2661
02:18:14.260 --> 02:18:16.780
a sudden in a tough spot as a franchise. So
2662
02:18:16.819 --> 02:18:18.879
that's why these, these are important. We'll see what happens.
2663
02:18:19.760 --> 02:18:25.030
It's now Simon Edmond Edmondson, who's asking for a trade. Okay.
2664
02:18:25.149 --> 02:18:28.350
So right now the, who's he with the red wings
2665
02:18:28.389 --> 02:18:31.690
have red wings, Dylan Larkin and Simon Edmondson, both asking
2666
02:18:31.729 --> 02:18:35.299
for trades to get out of Detroit. So not an
2667
02:18:35.379 --> 02:18:39.159
ideal situation, by the way, Larkin there, he's expecting him
2668
02:18:39.180 --> 02:18:42.450
to suit up and play, even though he requested a trade, which.
2669
02:18:44.290 --> 02:18:46.389
Complicated in its own right. Absolutely.
2670
02:18:46.729 --> 02:18:50.450
But Utah mammoth back in action, five 30 puck drop.
2671
02:18:51.850 --> 02:18:56.770
And that's, that's your live sports for tonight because it's
2672
02:18:56.790 --> 02:19:00.639
a Tuesday. So do you got MLB playoffs? You also
2673
02:19:00.659 --> 02:19:02.600
have Major League Baseball playoffs. You can listen to those
2674
02:19:02.680 --> 02:19:06.180
right here on ESPN 700, 92.1 FM, after the Morgan
2675
02:19:06.200 --> 02:19:07.200
Scali Coaches Show.
2676
02:19:07.959 --> 02:19:10.239
That's live sports, too, Morgan Scali Coaches Show.
2677
02:19:10.260 --> 02:19:13.079
Don't you worry about that. So we've got Ethan Bay
2678
02:19:13.340 --> 02:19:15.409
and Noah Benny as the guests on the show?
2679
02:19:16.010 --> 02:19:19.950
Yeah, Ethan Bay, Noah Benny, along with, of course, the coach,
2680
02:19:20.430 --> 02:19:25.329
and Bill and Sly have been hosting the Coaches Show
2681
02:19:25.389 --> 02:19:28.129
together the last few weeks. So I expect that to
2682
02:19:28.170 --> 02:19:32.340
be the case, too. Cool little change they've done there. Uh,
2683
02:19:33.159 --> 02:19:36.420
inviting the color analysts this year, it's Stevenson Sylvester. I
2684
02:19:36.440 --> 02:19:38.780
got our guy. Sly is part of that adds, I
2685
02:19:38.819 --> 02:19:39.959
think to the show a little bit.
2686
02:19:40.100 --> 02:19:42.399
I said, private equity money, dog. That's what happens.
2687
02:19:42.659 --> 02:19:45.260
Brand partners brings in with a cash infusion and you
2688
02:19:45.280 --> 02:19:46.809
can afford sly on the coach's show.
2689
02:19:46.829 --> 02:19:46.940
Yeah.
2690
02:19:46.969 --> 02:19:48.969
They're like, Hey, uh, it goes slides.
2691
02:19:49.010 --> 02:19:51.590
Like give me a little extra cash here and I'll,
2692
02:19:51.750 --> 02:19:53.350
and I'll do a little extra work. They're like, no
2693
02:19:53.450 --> 02:19:58.260
problem guy. Uh, By the way, with baseball, 4 o'clock
2694
02:19:58.379 --> 02:20:05.329
is the Dodgers-Braves, which is probably the only really interesting,
2695
02:20:05.569 --> 02:20:09.360
definitely the only competitive division series left right now. All
2696
02:20:09.399 --> 02:20:11.920
the other ones are 2-0, and there might be a
2697
02:20:11.959 --> 02:20:15.159
few sweeps there. This one's a 1-1, and it's the
2698
02:20:15.219 --> 02:20:20.459
Braves maybe taking down the mighty... back-to-back defending champion Dodgers
2699
02:20:20.520 --> 02:20:23.860
that have everyone in baseball that are not Dodgers fans upset.
2700
02:20:23.940 --> 02:20:26.280
So this there, they could be doing God's work, taking
2701
02:20:26.299 --> 02:20:27.120
down the Dodgers.
2702
02:20:27.159 --> 02:20:27.420
Yeah.
2703
02:20:27.479 --> 02:20:30.920
I never thought in my entire life as a Minnesota
2704
02:20:30.940 --> 02:20:34.329
twins fan, I would find affection for the Braves.
2705
02:20:34.770 --> 02:20:35.010
Yeah.
2706
02:20:35.209 --> 02:20:39.430
But if you are dethroning the evil empire, if you
2707
02:20:39.530 --> 02:20:43.229
are knocking down the death star, that is the Los
2708
02:20:43.309 --> 02:20:47.340
Angeles Dodgers. Then I guess Tom Hawk chop for all
2709
02:20:47.360 --> 02:20:47.579
of us.
2710
02:20:47.989 --> 02:20:49.190
Yeah, absolutely.
2711
02:20:49.209 --> 02:20:51.809
And by the way, I've told you, I also don't
2712
02:20:52.149 --> 02:20:54.120
have an affection for the, for the Braves. I don't
2713
02:20:54.139 --> 02:20:56.219
have as direct a reason as you do. I just
2714
02:20:56.379 --> 02:20:58.420
never liked him, but I find myself rooting for.
2715
02:20:58.319 --> 02:20:58.680
Him right now.
2716
02:20:59.079 --> 02:21:01.860
Although Dale Murphy makes you kind of like the Braves
2717
02:21:01.879 --> 02:21:02.319
a little bit.
2718
02:21:02.639 --> 02:21:03.040
Absolutely.
2719
02:21:03.399 --> 02:21:04.930
If you're, if you go to the game and a
2720
02:21:04.989 --> 02:21:08.250
Braves out Braves fan gear tonight, James, are you doing
2721
02:21:08.270 --> 02:21:11.209
the chop or are you worried about that? Because you're
2722
02:21:11.250 --> 02:21:14.610
in LA and the reaction in LA to anything that
2723
02:21:14.670 --> 02:21:18.290
is like an antiquated sports chant is, That may be
2724
02:21:18.729 --> 02:21:21.559
insensitive in that manner. Feels like LA is the wrong
2725
02:21:21.610 --> 02:21:23.479
place to do that kind of stuff in Atlanta. They
2726
02:21:23.520 --> 02:21:26.579
get away with it. The home home field, you know,
2727
02:21:26.600 --> 02:21:27.700
they're doing the full chant.
2728
02:21:27.719 --> 02:21:29.260
They're doing the Tomahawk motion.
2729
02:21:29.379 --> 02:21:33.469
Also just doing that on the road is probably dangerous anyway,
2730
02:21:33.569 --> 02:21:39.049
no matter where it is. I have never liked the
2731
02:21:39.110 --> 02:21:43.629
chop and it's not, for the incent culturally insensitive reasons necessarily.
2732
02:21:43.670 --> 02:21:45.350
It's just, I just think it's annoying.
2733
02:21:45.649 --> 02:21:47.850
So I don't think I, that's probably one of the
2734
02:21:47.870 --> 02:21:49.790
reasons why I don't like the braves or the chiefs
2735
02:21:49.889 --> 02:21:50.829
is like, just.
2736
02:21:52.370 --> 02:21:53.969
Whatever with that.
2737
02:21:54.290 --> 02:21:57.190
But so I probably wouldn't be doing the chop, but
2738
02:21:57.250 --> 02:21:59.670
if I were at, a fan of the team and
2739
02:21:59.770 --> 02:22:02.889
I liked it hypothetically. I mean, why not do it
2740
02:22:02.950 --> 02:22:03.510
if you're winning?
2741
02:22:03.770 --> 02:22:04.559
Yeah, you got to do it.
2742
02:22:04.610 --> 02:22:07.780
Darren on the text line, the resident BYU fan says
2743
02:22:07.819 --> 02:22:10.399
he's a lifelong Dodger fan, grew up in Southern California,
2744
02:22:10.940 --> 02:22:13.260
worried about the next two games. Darren, we're happy that
2745
02:22:13.280 --> 02:22:16.459
you listened to the show. We appreciate you weighing in
2746
02:22:16.500 --> 02:22:20.440
on the show. You're a beloved and valued member of
2747
02:22:20.459 --> 02:22:23.700
the Sean O'Connell show community. But if you're a Dodger fan,
2748
02:22:24.290 --> 02:22:25.649
we're rooting against you right now.
2749
02:22:25.670 --> 02:22:28.979
Okay. And he's a BYU fan. You already got... You
2750
02:22:29.000 --> 02:22:31.100
already got your championships, dude.
2751
02:22:31.809 --> 02:22:36.149
You now have a decade plus where everyone can root
2752
02:22:36.190 --> 02:22:41.090
against you and make you miserable on a conversational standpoint
2753
02:22:41.530 --> 02:22:43.729
because not only do you have the championships, but you
2754
02:22:43.770 --> 02:22:46.680
bought the championships. And the rest of baseball and the
2755
02:22:46.719 --> 02:22:53.559
rest of us in the mid-major market world are just like, yeah,
2756
02:22:54.399 --> 02:22:55.420
we can't abide by that.
2757
02:22:55.459 --> 02:22:57.969
We don't like that. But also, you know.
2758
02:22:58.889 --> 02:23:02.680
Being a BYU Dodger fan here on ESPN 700, I
2759
02:23:03.459 --> 02:23:07.700
appreciate your willingness to cross these enemy lines because, man,
2760
02:23:08.200 --> 02:23:11.370
you're not going to get Dodger love here, and your
2761
02:23:11.450 --> 02:23:13.969
BYU love is going to be pretty limited. But we
2762
02:23:13.989 --> 02:23:16.290
do love you, Darren. Thanks for the text.
2763
02:23:18.729 --> 02:23:22.450
It's not necessarily an anti ESPN 700 thing. The Dodgers
2764
02:23:22.709 --> 02:23:24.870
are an anti Dodger thing here at ESPN 700. It's
2765
02:23:24.909 --> 02:23:27.979
just the fact that everyone who is a producer or
2766
02:23:28.000 --> 02:23:30.020
a host of a radio show happens to hate the Dodgers.
2767
02:23:30.120 --> 02:23:33.680
I am going to say that it is the expressed
2768
02:23:33.719 --> 02:23:38.040
opinion of ESPN 700 and Broadway media that the Dodgers.
2769
02:23:40.379 --> 02:23:40.540
Show.
2770
02:23:40.579 --> 02:23:41.309
Hey, Ohtani cheated.
2771
02:23:41.620 --> 02:23:41.940
Okay.
2772
02:23:41.989 --> 02:23:44.069
That's what we need to know. That is, we will
2773
02:23:44.090 --> 02:23:46.649
close it out next on the Sean O'Connell show with,
2774
02:23:46.670 --> 02:23:48.430
do we have a giveaway again today?
2775
02:23:49.739 --> 02:23:54.780
Oh, we got two tickets to skillet. That's coming to
2776
02:23:54.799 --> 02:23:58.370
the union on October 23rd. Before I get out of
2777
02:23:58.430 --> 02:24:01.030
here for the last break, a reminder to all of
2778
02:24:01.069 --> 02:24:05.729
you out there, Utah advocates, the injury attorneys who help
2779
02:24:05.790 --> 02:24:08.819
us give you the injury updates, injury report updates here
2780
02:24:09.739 --> 02:24:14.180
on the Sean O'Connell show and on ESPN 700. You
2781
02:24:14.219 --> 02:24:17.829
don't have to be someone. who's dealing with it personally,
2782
02:24:18.149 --> 02:24:20.750
who's been in an accident. Maybe you've got a son
2783
02:24:20.790 --> 02:24:23.889
or a daughter. Maybe you've got someone at home, a brother,
2784
02:24:23.909 --> 02:24:26.989
a sister that doesn't really know how to move forward
2785
02:24:27.170 --> 02:24:30.450
after a little fender bender car accident that, man, turns
2786
02:24:30.510 --> 02:24:32.629
out made the neck hurt. Or maybe there's a slip
2787
02:24:32.670 --> 02:24:35.739
and fall accident when you were grocery shopping and you're
2788
02:24:35.780 --> 02:24:37.399
just like, oh, yeah, there was a spill.
2789
02:24:37.440 --> 02:24:39.129
There's not a whole lot that can be done about it.
2790
02:24:39.159 --> 02:24:40.600
There usually is.
2791
02:24:41.559 --> 02:24:44.319
And the advocates are exactly who you need to call
2792
02:24:44.340 --> 02:24:47.190
to in order to get on the radar, in order
2793
02:24:47.229 --> 02:24:50.639
to get the information and the advice that you need. Also,
2794
02:24:50.690 --> 02:24:55.040
you can go to utahadvocates.com. Consultations are always free. You
2795
02:24:55.059 --> 02:24:58.100
don't pay unless they win your case. That is a
2796
02:24:58.139 --> 02:25:01.479
key component of everything that the advocates do. They become
2797
02:25:01.500 --> 02:25:03.979
your partners in trying to win this case. You are
2798
02:25:04.020 --> 02:25:06.680
not paying them out of pocket. It comes out of
2799
02:25:06.760 --> 02:25:09.459
the settlement that they are able to get you based
2800
02:25:09.639 --> 02:25:14.250
on your situation. If you or a loved one has
2801
02:25:14.270 --> 02:25:17.319
been hurt in an accident, if you've got medical bills,
2802
02:25:17.430 --> 02:25:19.659
if maybe you're missing some work and that's causing you
2803
02:25:19.700 --> 02:25:24.319
some financial difficulties, you're entitled to some compensation. You do
2804
02:25:24.360 --> 02:25:26.280
not deserve to be in an accident, but you do
2805
02:25:26.340 --> 02:25:34.030
deserve an advocate. UtahAdvocates.com, 385-367-2311. Tell them OC sent you
2806
02:25:35.409 --> 02:25:37.129
at UtahAdvocates.com.
2807
02:25:38.569 --> 02:25:40.190
All right, we'll give away some tickets. Close it out
2808
02:25:40.250 --> 02:25:45.620
next on ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM. Don't stop believing.
2809
02:25:46.079 --> 02:25:48.940
You're tuned to the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
2810
02:25:48.989 --> 02:25:52.329
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2811
02:25:52.430 --> 02:25:53.709
Don't stop believing.
2812
02:26:02.569 --> 02:26:04.229
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2813
02:26:08.309 --> 02:26:08.389
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2814
02:26:08.450 --> 02:26:12.069
Skillet coming to the Union Event Center on October 23rd.
2815
02:26:12.090 --> 02:26:14.190
A pair of tickets. If you can tell me who
2816
02:26:14.209 --> 02:26:17.510
is the current leading rusher in the Big 12 Conference.
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02:26:17.530 --> 02:26:18.950
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2818
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2826
02:26:48.229 --> 02:26:51.489
Skillet, is that like a concert? Is that like a DJ?
2827
02:26:52.090 --> 02:26:55.170
Skillet is a band, a rock band, a Christian rock band.
2828
02:26:55.190 --> 02:26:59.389
A Christian rock band. You ever see that South Park
2829
02:26:59.409 --> 02:27:02.319
where they started a Christian rock band, Faith Plus One?
2830
02:27:02.500 --> 02:27:03.010
Never saw it.
2831
02:27:03.469 --> 02:27:05.790
Oh, it's so good. They just put Jesus in place
2832
02:27:05.829 --> 02:27:08.950
of a bunch of lyrics. It's like, instead of I
2833
02:27:09.010 --> 02:27:10.329
love you, it's Jesus loves you.
2834
02:27:10.350 --> 02:27:12.729
Okay. Cartman was the lead singer. Were you ever a
2835
02:27:12.750 --> 02:27:13.579
South Park guy at all?
2836
02:27:13.739 --> 02:27:13.950
No.
2837
02:27:14.219 --> 02:27:14.500
What?
2838
02:27:15.739 --> 02:27:16.120
Simpsons?
2839
02:27:16.680 --> 02:27:16.879
No.
2840
02:27:17.780 --> 02:27:20.040
Oh, so you're like above the... Like, it's a cartoon,
2841
02:27:20.079 --> 02:27:22.299
so it's lesser than... No, I actually love cartoons.
2842
02:27:23.100 --> 02:27:25.479
I was not allowed to watch The Simpsons, and we
2843
02:27:25.520 --> 02:27:28.329
didn't have cable, so you can't get South Park, so.
2844
02:27:29.229 --> 02:27:31.420
I was too late to all those parties. Like you,
2845
02:27:31.500 --> 02:27:34.399
I was also not allowed to watch The Simpsons. I
2846
02:27:34.440 --> 02:27:36.709
was not allowed to watch many things.
2847
02:27:36.790 --> 02:27:38.309
You're a rebellious person.
2848
02:27:38.930 --> 02:27:42.180
If watching The Simpsons... makes me rebellious, sign me up.
2849
02:27:42.760 --> 02:27:46.639
What was that Ed O'Neill show, Love and Marriage? Married
2850
02:27:46.680 --> 02:27:47.159
with Children.
2851
02:27:47.319 --> 02:27:48.180
Also not allowed to watch that.
2852
02:27:48.200 --> 02:27:53.670
Not allowed to watch that. We could watch Charles in Charge.
2853
02:27:53.989 --> 02:27:57.190
Shout out Scott Bale. Scott Bale, what's up? If you're listening,
2854
02:27:57.229 --> 02:28:00.120
we know that you are. Um, big say by the
2855
02:28:00.159 --> 02:28:00.889
bell guy over here.
2856
02:28:00.940 --> 02:28:01.309
Of course.
2857
02:28:01.329 --> 02:28:01.809
Okay.
2858
02:28:01.989 --> 02:28:02.270
Yes.
2859
02:28:02.969 --> 02:28:06.770
The Zach attack. I'll never forget when Jesse was addicted
2860
02:28:06.790 --> 02:28:08.969
to caffeine pills. It was a tough one for all
2861
02:28:08.989 --> 02:28:11.350
of us. It was actually, that's a great episode.
2862
02:28:11.770 --> 02:28:12.809
Shout out Lark Voorhees.
2863
02:28:12.829 --> 02:28:13.389
We miss you.
2864
02:28:14.139 --> 02:28:19.479
Um, my parents were very hilarious about like the Simpsons was,
2865
02:28:19.719 --> 02:28:22.639
you couldn't watch the Simpsons when family guy became a thing.
2866
02:28:22.659 --> 02:28:25.520
You're not allowed to turn that on. Didn't have cables.
2867
02:28:25.579 --> 02:28:28.350
So South park was not really, In the equation. Married
2868
02:28:28.370 --> 02:28:32.399
with children, absolutely not. Roseanne, no way.
2869
02:28:32.639 --> 02:28:32.899
Same.
2870
02:28:33.219 --> 02:28:36.459
But NYPD Blue? I was watching that when I was
2871
02:28:36.520 --> 02:28:37.489
in like fifth grade.
2872
02:28:37.809 --> 02:28:40.329
There's an argument to be made that's ten times worse.
2873
02:28:40.389 --> 02:28:43.889
There's not an argument. It definitely is. There's no argument
2874
02:28:43.909 --> 02:28:44.270
at all.
2875
02:28:44.930 --> 02:28:45.180
It's a.
2876
02:28:46.110 --> 02:28:48.579
It's like a gritty New York drama.
2877
02:28:48.639 --> 02:28:48.840
Yeah.
2878
02:28:49.260 --> 02:28:51.319
It was, they had, it had everything in there.
2879
02:28:51.379 --> 02:28:51.540
Yeah.
2880
02:28:51.559 --> 02:28:54.120
That was one of my dad's violence. Still to this day.
2881
02:28:54.180 --> 02:28:56.379
Big Dave likes to watch a little, he loves the
2882
02:28:56.639 --> 02:28:57.260
cop shows.
2883
02:28:57.479 --> 02:28:57.760
Yeah.
2884
02:28:58.200 --> 02:29:00.620
Shout out Jimmy Smith's good poll.
2885
02:29:00.719 --> 02:29:00.920
Yeah.
2886
02:29:01.420 --> 02:29:03.379
Trying to think what else we were not allowed to
2887
02:29:03.440 --> 02:29:06.739
watch a lot of different things. In fact, remember I, uh,
2888
02:29:07.399 --> 02:29:12.420
I borrowed my friends, dumb and dumber, dumber DVD.
2889
02:29:12.729 --> 02:29:12.940
Yeah.
2890
02:29:13.209 --> 02:29:15.430
My mom snapped it in half. We were not allowed
2891
02:29:15.450 --> 02:29:16.260
to watch Dumb and Dumber.
2892
02:29:16.280 --> 02:29:17.260
No Dumb and Dumber. Okay.
2893
02:29:17.920 --> 02:29:20.959
Do you remember the trend a number of years ago? Like,
2894
02:29:21.260 --> 02:29:25.659
so the absolute vodka, they did like absolute basketball and absolute.
2895
02:29:25.680 --> 02:29:28.239
There were all these t-shirts and they were like a
2896
02:29:28.280 --> 02:29:31.889
really cool thing. I came home with an absolute basketball t-shirt.
2897
02:29:31.989 --> 02:29:32.360
Oh, wow.
2898
02:29:32.500 --> 02:29:33.440
Now that didn't last.
2899
02:29:33.709 --> 02:29:34.069
Of course.
2900
02:29:34.549 --> 02:29:36.989
Because I wasn't doing laundry at the age of 14.
2901
02:29:36.989 --> 02:29:40.250
So my mother was in charge of that. There were
2902
02:29:40.270 --> 02:29:41.250
some other things that were found.
2903
02:29:41.270 --> 02:29:41.610
Shut up.
2904
02:29:42.299 --> 02:29:44.219
Shout out to you for not having to do your
2905
02:29:44.239 --> 02:29:45.750
own laundry at age 14.
2906
02:29:45.750 --> 02:29:47.569
You had to do your own laundry at age 14?
2907
02:29:47.569 --> 02:29:51.530
My older brother complained because my mom shrunk a sweater
2908
02:29:51.670 --> 02:29:53.989
one time when he was 14.
2909
02:29:53.989 --> 02:29:55.829
So I had to start doing laundry at like 11.
2910
02:29:55.829 --> 02:29:57.149
Are you serious?
2911
02:29:57.170 --> 02:29:58.850
Because my mom was just like, oh, you guys don't
2912
02:29:58.870 --> 02:30:01.180
like how I do the laundry? Fine, you're doing your own.
2913
02:30:01.229 --> 02:30:03.129
I was like, I don't mind how you do the laundry.
2914
02:30:03.469 --> 02:30:04.579
I don't want to do it.
2915
02:30:04.590 --> 02:30:06.729
That was him. That was him. He's the one who
2916
02:30:06.750 --> 02:30:09.899
complained about the sweater getting shrunk. I don't wear sweaters.
2917
02:30:10.200 --> 02:30:12.639
Respect to your mother for drawing that boundary. Oh, she
2918
02:30:12.659 --> 02:30:16.219
was hardcore about that stuff. So you started doing your
2919
02:30:16.319 --> 02:30:17.760
own laundry at age 11?
2920
02:30:17.760 --> 02:30:20.500
I might have been 10, yeah. Did you need any instruction,
2921
02:30:20.559 --> 02:30:22.159
or was she like, just go figure it out? Yeah,
2922
02:30:22.180 --> 02:30:23.860
I think it was more just figure it out. I
2923
02:30:23.879 --> 02:30:27.969
probably overused the laundry soap. I probably ruined a bunch
2924
02:30:28.010 --> 02:30:29.430
of clothes doing it, but you know.
2925
02:30:29.809 --> 02:30:32.790
Here's a little secret for folk out there. Are you
2926
02:30:32.850 --> 02:30:37.129
still separating whites and colors? There's no need to do that. Like,
2927
02:30:37.190 --> 02:30:37.889
literally none.
2928
02:30:37.909 --> 02:30:37.989
What?
2929
02:30:38.569 --> 02:30:41.879
Okay, hot take. It's true. That's a hot take.
2930
02:30:42.280 --> 02:30:45.260
I have been washing whites with colors for years, and
2931
02:30:45.299 --> 02:30:47.399
nothing has ever happened. I feel like we were lied
2932
02:30:47.440 --> 02:30:48.000
to as kids.
2933
02:30:48.079 --> 02:30:48.329
No.
2934
02:30:48.629 --> 02:30:50.489
Can I tell you something?
2935
02:30:50.510 --> 02:30:57.329
Every time I get something new that's white... I, for months,
2936
02:30:57.469 --> 02:31:00.069
I will keep it segregated. I will wash it only
2937
02:31:00.129 --> 02:31:04.010
with like maybe grays and pastels, but never real colors.
2938
02:31:04.389 --> 02:31:04.649
Right.
2939
02:31:05.129 --> 02:31:08.319
And then there's always that one fateful day where you
2940
02:31:08.340 --> 02:31:10.659
just need to wash it and you just don't care.
2941
02:31:10.799 --> 02:31:13.579
And you're like, whatever. And then it comes out dingy
2942
02:31:13.739 --> 02:31:16.239
or it comes out pinkish or it comes out whatever
2943
02:31:16.579 --> 02:31:18.760
every single time. No chance. You're lying.
2944
02:31:18.860 --> 02:31:21.340
No, I am telling you the absolute truth. I think
2945
02:31:21.360 --> 02:31:26.959
you're colorblind. You, I'm not, you started doing laundry. At 10.
2946
02:31:26.959 --> 02:31:31.600
But let's be clear. I've been doing laundry now for
2947
02:31:31.639 --> 02:31:35.100
basically 25 years. Spence has been doing laundry for months now.
2948
02:31:35.469 --> 02:31:37.649
Is it Nate Bargatze who has the whole, like, I
2949
02:31:37.670 --> 02:31:40.030
do my own laundry. Have you seen that? He's standing
2950
02:31:40.090 --> 02:31:42.209
up where he's like. I haven't seen that one. So
2951
02:31:42.270 --> 02:31:46.290
Bargatze has this hilarious bit where he was preparing, you know,
2952
02:31:46.489 --> 02:31:48.920
he and his wife were in a fight. And he
2953
02:31:48.959 --> 02:31:51.280
was preparing to, like, lay down the hammer by saying
2954
02:31:51.299 --> 02:31:54.139
to her out loud, I do my own laundry. Which,
2955
02:31:54.340 --> 02:31:56.290
of course, did not go well. When you say that
2956
02:31:56.309 --> 02:31:58.709
to your wife, you do your own laundry to this day?
2957
02:31:59.629 --> 02:31:59.809
Yeah.
2958
02:32:00.909 --> 02:32:01.590
Seriously?
2959
02:32:01.670 --> 02:32:01.829
Yeah.
2960
02:32:04.979 --> 02:32:07.440
So does Kendall do her own laundry or do you
2961
02:32:07.459 --> 02:32:08.120
do everybody's laundry?
2962
02:32:08.139 --> 02:32:09.100
I do the laundry for the house.
2963
02:32:09.780 --> 02:32:10.500
All the girls?
2964
02:32:10.639 --> 02:32:10.840
Yeah.
2965
02:32:11.139 --> 02:32:11.620
Your wife?
2966
02:32:12.559 --> 02:32:13.000
Do you cook?
2967
02:32:13.500 --> 02:32:13.659
Yeah.
2968
02:32:15.770 --> 02:32:17.309
I feel like I shouldn't say what's on my mind
2969
02:32:17.370 --> 02:32:17.649
right now.
2970
02:32:18.489 --> 02:32:18.750
Don't.
2971
02:32:18.889 --> 02:32:19.459
I'm not going to.
2972
02:32:19.690 --> 02:32:19.850
Don't.
2973
02:32:21.079 --> 02:32:21.799
I respect that.
2974
02:32:21.899 --> 02:32:23.940
Do you share.
2975
02:32:23.489 --> 02:32:24.969
The load at all? Yeah, yeah.
2976
02:32:25.170 --> 02:32:29.229
I would say it's like laundry is probably like 70-30.
2977
02:32:29.809 --> 02:32:31.569
Dishes are 99-1.
2978
02:32:32.329 --> 02:32:32.530
Okay.
2979
02:32:34.829 --> 02:32:38.110
You know, I'm not good. I don't do the girl's
2980
02:32:38.170 --> 02:32:39.329
hair very much.
2981
02:32:39.659 --> 02:32:41.819
That's probably good. Leave that in Kendall's hands.
2982
02:32:41.879 --> 02:32:42.139
Yeah.
2983
02:32:42.500 --> 02:32:44.420
So is it more of like you see something that
2984
02:32:44.459 --> 02:32:47.829
needs to be done and you just do it? Yeah, that's... See,
2985
02:32:47.870 --> 02:32:50.250
I'm the same way. And I'm worse as I age. Like,
2986
02:32:50.309 --> 02:32:53.069
I can't leave a dish in the sink. Cannot leave
2987
02:32:53.129 --> 02:32:57.690
my bed unmade. And I'm not, like, OCD about this stuff.
2988
02:32:57.909 --> 02:33:01.129
But I like a good clean. There's nothing better than
2989
02:33:01.190 --> 02:33:03.270
clean sheets, dude. I don't know that I've ever made
2990
02:33:03.350 --> 02:33:04.819
my bed in my entire life.
2991
02:33:06.659 --> 02:33:07.159
One time.
2992
02:33:07.420 --> 02:33:09.559
No, I probably have one time. I don't make my bed.
2993
02:33:09.639 --> 02:33:13.100
I don't, like, the bed is unmade. I'm just going
2994
02:33:13.120 --> 02:33:15.360
to get back in it and mess it up anyway.
2995
02:33:15.739 --> 02:33:16.959
I don't need a made bed.
2996
02:33:17.209 --> 02:33:19.989
So my man was crushing laundry at 10, yet we
2997
02:33:20.010 --> 02:33:20.709
can't make our bed.
2998
02:33:20.889 --> 02:33:21.549
No, no.
2999
02:33:22.409 --> 02:33:23.649
Were you ever asked to make your bed?
3000
02:33:23.690 --> 02:33:24.370
Yeah, for sure.
3001
02:33:24.489 --> 02:33:25.350
And you're just like, no.
3002
02:33:25.530 --> 02:33:27.129
I skirted those rules all the time.
3003
02:33:27.229 --> 02:33:28.979
I don't have time to make my bed. I have
3004
02:33:29.000 --> 02:33:29.639
to do my laundry.
3005
02:33:29.659 --> 02:33:32.000
I'm doing laundry right now. Fair enough. Can't make my bed.
3006
02:33:32.040 --> 02:33:32.399
Fair enough.
3007
02:33:32.559 --> 02:33:37.420
No, I respect the endeavor. Can I follow up? Is
3008
02:33:37.459 --> 02:33:38.579
she helping out?
3009
02:33:39.299 --> 02:33:39.920
Are we good?
3010
02:33:40.100 --> 02:33:40.680
Yeah, great.
3011
02:33:40.819 --> 02:33:41.459
Okay.
3012
02:33:41.600 --> 02:33:41.959
Wonderful.
3013
02:33:42.719 --> 02:33:42.899
Yeah.
3014
02:33:43.479 --> 02:33:44.780
I just know you have a lot on your plate.
3015
02:33:46.270 --> 02:33:48.389
But laundry is one of those things where it's just
3016
02:33:48.430 --> 02:33:51.389
like you just throw it in, right?
3017
02:33:51.409 --> 02:33:52.590
And then you transfer the load.
3018
02:33:53.090 --> 02:33:56.479
And then you let the clean clothes pile up until
3019
02:33:56.520 --> 02:33:58.520
they're about human height.
3020
02:33:58.559 --> 02:33:58.819
Sure.
3021
02:33:59.280 --> 02:34:02.100
And then when the kids are in bed one day,
3022
02:34:02.120 --> 02:34:05.180
you just throw them all on the kitchen table and
3023
02:34:05.200 --> 02:34:07.260
you just fold them while you listen to a podcast
3024
02:34:07.340 --> 02:34:07.600
or you.
3025
02:34:07.559 --> 02:34:08.059
Watch a show.
3026
02:34:08.159 --> 02:34:09.399
Yeah, it's not taxing work.
3027
02:34:09.500 --> 02:34:12.360
And then it takes another three or four days before
3028
02:34:12.399 --> 02:34:16.540
they actually migrate to From folded on the table to
3029
02:34:16.879 --> 02:34:17.459
the drawers.
3030
02:34:18.299 --> 02:34:19.920
And by then, it's time to do laundry again.
3031
02:34:20.120 --> 02:34:20.780
Yeah, okay.
3032
02:34:21.659 --> 02:34:25.399
And with three girls and apparently a wife who's participating here,
3033
02:34:25.459 --> 02:34:27.000
that's a lot more laundry than I have.
3034
02:34:27.219 --> 02:34:27.399
Yeah.
3035
02:34:27.920 --> 02:34:31.700
So are we talking once a week? How often are
3036
02:34:31.719 --> 02:34:32.139
you doing laundry?
3037
02:34:32.180 --> 02:34:33.940
What do you mean, once a week? You're doing laundry
3038
02:34:34.059 --> 02:34:36.540
every day when you have three little kids. You do
3039
02:34:36.579 --> 02:34:39.700
laundry daily. There's a load of laundry every single day,
3040
02:34:39.760 --> 02:34:40.170
at least.
3041
02:34:40.809 --> 02:34:40.920
Okay.
3042
02:34:41.860 --> 02:34:43.709
And that's only for three kids. I got friends with
3043
02:34:43.770 --> 02:34:47.489
six kids. You're doing multiple loads a day. Yeah, well, again,
3044
02:34:48.030 --> 02:34:53.350
one child, now grown, self-sufficient. I don't have frame of
3045
02:34:53.409 --> 02:34:54.750
reference for your day-to-day life.
3046
02:34:55.190 --> 02:34:55.770
It's fine.
3047
02:34:56.149 --> 02:34:58.399
I was the oldest of six, so I remember what
3048
02:34:58.420 --> 02:34:59.299
the chaos is like.
3049
02:34:59.319 --> 02:35:02.680
You have an empty nest and an empty washing machine.
3050
02:35:02.920 --> 02:35:07.399
It's probably why I enjoy solitude the way that I do.
3051
02:35:07.719 --> 02:35:10.850
And I'm fine being alone, doing my thing. Cause I
3052
02:35:10.870 --> 02:35:13.000
was raised in chaos. We were in the stuff.
3053
02:35:13.020 --> 02:35:13.680
Okay.
3054
02:35:14.000 --> 02:35:14.180
Yeah.
3055
02:35:14.639 --> 02:35:18.260
Five kids at one point, 11 or under. And now
3056
02:35:18.299 --> 02:35:20.120
that I'm thinking back, you're right. I feel like laundry
3057
02:35:20.180 --> 02:35:21.379
is being done all the time.
3058
02:35:21.500 --> 02:35:24.149
Ask your mom how many loads of laundry she did
3059
02:35:24.180 --> 02:35:25.989
a week when you guys were all living at home.
3060
02:35:26.110 --> 02:35:26.290
Yeah.
3061
02:35:26.309 --> 02:35:27.010
She probably, yeah.
3062
02:35:27.110 --> 02:35:27.729
A thousand.
3063
02:35:27.770 --> 02:35:27.950
Yeah.
3064
02:35:28.209 --> 02:35:28.469
Okay.
3065
02:35:29.110 --> 02:35:35.340
Well, respect, uh, for your, uh, effort, uh, in the
3066
02:35:35.360 --> 02:35:38.139
relationship and as a father that's willing to do all
3067
02:35:38.159 --> 02:35:38.579
the things.
3068
02:35:38.840 --> 02:35:39.899
It's the great stuff, man.
3069
02:35:40.500 --> 02:35:42.120
Kendall just helped out a little bit.
3070
02:35:42.139 --> 02:35:43.139
It's the stuff of life.
3071
02:35:43.639 --> 02:35:49.860
That is not me, baby. Spencer said that. You help plenty,
3072
02:35:50.149 --> 02:35:51.930
as much as I need you to. Hey, you keep
3073
02:35:51.969 --> 02:35:53.729
doing what you're doing. Don't look over here for any
3074
02:35:53.790 --> 02:35:54.670
answers with that stuff.
3075
02:35:54.709 --> 02:35:55.370
I'll tell you that much.
3076
02:35:55.969 --> 02:35:58.450
Stay tuned for The Drive. Thanks for listening to The
3077
02:35:58.489 --> 02:36:00.690
Sean O'Connell Show. We'll do it again tomorrow on ESPN
3078
02:36:00.690 --> 02:36:00.969
700 and 92.1 FM.