092: Honoree Corder – Why Trading Time For Money Is Not The Answer

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So it's little by little. A lot of people want
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to make giant leaps, and who doesn't want to make
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a giant leap, right? Who doesn't want to lose 15
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pounds overnight? Of course, everyone does, but it's not realistic.
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So if you have this itch, then scratch it. Set
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aside 15 minutes a day, 30 minutes a day, an
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hour a day, and work on this thing, and eventually
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you're going to get there.
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Are leaders born or are they made? Our host, Ryan Hawk,
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believes that leaders can be made through determined, focused work
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on learning the art and science behind the makeup of
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other successful leaders. Now it's time to inhale knowledge and
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exhale success. You're listening to The Learning Leader Show with
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Ryan Hawk.
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Hey, and welcome to The Learning Leader Show. I am
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Ryan Hawk, a really interesting featured leader tonight. It's Honoré Corder.
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Honoré is the best-selling author of more than a dozen books,
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including her latest, Vision to Reality, How Short-Term Massive Action
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Equals Long-Term Maximum Results. Honoré' s mission is to inspire and
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motivate people to turn their vision and dreams into their
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real-life reality. We got into a number of really interesting topics.
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I really enjoyed this conversation. I learned a lot from Honoré.
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A few of the topics we got into. Why successful
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people have an intense intolerance for negative people. I enjoy
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talking about that aspect of success with Honoré. Also, the
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vision she has for her family. She has a vision
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to live on a bus within a year. Incredible story.
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You'll want to hear that part. And also, her story
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of crickets. to success. It takes a long time to
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be an overnight success, and Honoré is living proof of that. Really,
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really interesting story. Ladies and gentlemen, without further ado, it's
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Honoré Corder. Okay, Honoré, again, so excited to have you
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here on the Learning Leader Show. I have a quick
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question to get us kicked off. Now, you've been fortunate
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to spend a lot of time around some very successful leaders,
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very successful people in general. I'm curious as to what's
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one common characteristic that those successful people share?
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An unwavering positive attitude.
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Okay.
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Tell me more.
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Well, and it's almost combined with an intolerance for negativity,
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negative energy, a negative focus. Because we get what we
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focus on, right? What we focus on expands. And so
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the people that I see that are the most successful
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are the ones that have this unwavering positive attitude and
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they are focused on the positive and they are seeking
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the positive and they are sure that if they are
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in the midst of something that isn't positive, that positive
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is coming.
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And so they are willing to just eliminate or at
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least avoid those types of people who have that negative
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outlook on life?
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Correct.
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Are there any people that specific people that you can
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think of that come to mind? You see a picture
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in your head of, of, of, of people that define
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success for you. Maybe some, maybe a combination, some that
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are famous and well known known and some that are not.
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Gosh, so we were speaking about Steve Sims. I know
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he's one of your previous interviews. Hal Elrod, who I
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have the pleasure of working with. Obviously, people like Tony
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Robbins and Zig Ziglar and Brian Tracy, my.
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Self-appointed mentors and influencers.
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People that you wouldn't know that I have the pleasure
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to work with as my clients. They all have this
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common trait. I can see all of their faces. In
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my mind, for sure.
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That's cool. So you have clients and I want to
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get back to now. I know we like to start
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off with a question to get us rolling. But now, Honoré,
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if you would take a moment and give us kind
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of a bio of what you've done leading up to
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this point and what you're currently working on.
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Sure. So I do three main things. I'm spinning three plates.
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So I do executive and business coaching.
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And I am... for lack of a better term, a private.
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Personal strategist for high-level professionals. So CEOs, entrepreneurs, people in
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the C-suite, people for whom there is no one else
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they can talk to and know that it's going to
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stay with those people. And I help them to overcome
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challenges and strategize their futures.
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And I write books.
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So at this point, I have written 15, written and
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published 15 books. And everywhere from life strategies, single parenting, divorce,
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personal growth, business development, across the span.
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And then I speak.
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I do motivational speaking and I also do some corporate training.
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Wow. So how do you juggle those three main things?
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Is there one, do you juggle it based on what
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you enjoy most, what brings in the most revenue? How
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do you make those decisions?
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I like all of them. So they all get attention
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from me. Some get more attention at sometimes I think
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balance is BS, right?
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In some ways.
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So right now I'm working on three books. So that's
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my major focus. And I have a handful or two
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handfuls of clients that I serve. And I throw in
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the occasional speaking engagement for good measure to keep up
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my practice and And how I manage all of that
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is with ruthless focus and persistence and consistency.
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How many hours per day are you working?
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Eight to ten.
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Okay.
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Can you walk me through a regular, a typical day
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for you?
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Sure. Up at 4.30. Whoa. Really?
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Yeah.
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Yep, every day up at 4.30, working on myself first
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thing in the morning, doing mental, physical, and spiritual challenges.
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Right now, my trainer has me doing this five-day exercise.
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program where I'm doing two a day, 45 minute workouts,
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and I'm eating more chicken than I could possibly, if
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you're the sum of the five things you eat right now,
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I am a chicken. And so I have a, about
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a two hour practice in the morning where I'm reading and,
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and doing visualization and exercising and those sorts of things.
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And then I will write. So my minimum word count
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every day is a thousand words. And it takes me
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anywhere from 20 to 60 minutes to accomplish a that
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word count. Like I said, I'm working on some books
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right now. So right now I'm in the process of
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finalizing some edits on one book, noodling on a second book,
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and really writing a third book. I have a webinar
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that I'm doing for an association next week. So I'll
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spend a little time working on that independent and also.
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With the folks that I'm putting that on for.
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And I have a strategy call with one of my
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clients today and then kind of a postmortem with one
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of my editors for a book that I'm working on.
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So that'll take me to about two o'clock this afternoon.
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And then it's summer and I have a teenage daughter.
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who is in between grades. And so I will spend
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the remainder of the day hanging out with her.
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That's cool. So your, your work life part. So you
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do have a little bit of a balance in the summer,
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but probably are you saying that, uh, that's not typical
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for you to have balance or you try to do
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that when, when you're a child is not in school?
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Well, both. So when she is not in school, I
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want to take extra time during the daylight hours to
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spend with her. But during the school year, she's home
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at four. So I might work a little extra time.
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Or frankly, I have been known to throw in a
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power nap. Okay.
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Or to have an afternoon... My husband's also an entrepreneur.
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To kind of just take a couple of hours and
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go to Starbucks or go to an afternoon matinee and
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just enjoy life. Because I think you can... overwork. I
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think you can spend more time working. And I was
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listening to a podcast this morning while I was on
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the treadmill and they were talking about, is there a
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magic amount of time that you have to work as
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an entrepreneur before you can coast? And everyone says, oh,
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that's the mirage in the distance. And I agree and
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I disagree. I think you have to take control and
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institute policies and procedures and boundaries in your life.
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Otherwise you can just work.
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Yeah, I completely understand that. So I think people listening
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are hearing this and saying, wow, that sounds like you
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got a pretty cool gig. And obviously financially, you're able
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to take care of yourself and your family and do,
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it seems like you're doing things that you love doing
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every single day. And so I think people are asking
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the natural question, which is how would one get started
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doing something like this? And I'll ask specifically, how did
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you get started with this type of business lifestyle what
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have you?
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Well, I always start with the end in mind. So
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I started, so I'll be 45 this year in a
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couple of months. And when I turned 40... I was
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working a lot in the trade time for money program.
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So hour on the phone, money in the bank, hour
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on the phone, money in the bank.
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What do you mean by that as far as?
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Well, I was doing a.
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Lot more coaching than I'm doing now. And I decided
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that it some point I wanted to leverage my income.
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So my first successful business was in network marketing and
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network marketing is theoretically leveraged income, right? That's what they,
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that's the bill of goods that you're sold is you
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build this business and then you have beach money forever.
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Not entirely true, but that's the essence of the, of
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what we're told. And so I have leveraged income from
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that business and I had not figured out how to
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clone myself to scale, but that was my quest when
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I turned 40 was that by the time I turned 45,
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that the majority of the income from the businesses I
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was focusing on today would come from the effort that
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I had done once and got paid for over and
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over again. So I just started with that as the.
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Vision and I didn't have the how, I had the what.
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What about the why? Well, the what is first and
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the why is second. Okay.
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Right?
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Why do you want the what?
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So the vision is what it is that you want
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and the purpose is why you want it. So you're
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right in line with that process. So it's what do
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you want and then why do you want it?
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Why do I want it?
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Because I want to not follow in the footsteps of
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people that I know who have worked their entire lives
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and they get to the point to where they have money,
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but their knees don't work. Right? I'm like, I'd really
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love to go on that 50-day cruise, but, you know,
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I'm too tired. I'm not able to do that. I thought, well,
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I'm still young. And the older I get, I'm still young.
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I keep thinking at some point I'll be old, but
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it hasn't happened yet. So while I am still young
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and still have energy, I also wanted to have money.
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And I wanted to have money but not be rich.
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I don't want to know what day it is. That
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ultimately is my goal. I want to wake up and go,
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what day is it? I don't know. What time is it?
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Might be time to eat something. Maybe I'll check my
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bank balance. Maybe I won't knowing that it's taken care of.
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So that was my ultimate vision. That's my ultimate vision
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is to not know what day it is. Okay. And
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just have an every day is what am I going
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to do today? So my family and I have this
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vision of what we're going to be doing in a year.
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And I can tell you about that if you want
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to know. But that's where you start is what is
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it that I ultimately want? And it's how do I
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want to live my life? When I wake up in
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the morning, who do I want to have next to me?
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What do I want to see when I wake up?
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What do I want to do? Yeah. What does that
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look like? And then you go about the business of
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connecting the dots. How do I close that gap? So
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for me, I noticed that there was a trend. So
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I started publishing books, self-publishing books long before it was
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the cool thing to do. So 10 years ago, I
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started self-publishing books and I noticed that my single mom
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book was selling more and more every month and that
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people wanted more of that information. And so I fed
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that beast and turned one book into a six book series.
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And then somebody wanted single dad.
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Books, 10,000 of them.
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And I was like, well, there's no single dad book,
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but I will sure write. Who has an order for 10,000
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books as a self-published author before they write the book?
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So I was like, one single dad book coming right up.
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So I made that happen. And then I noticed that
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where were we going?
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Digital. Every man, woman, and child has something that fits
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in their pocket with a screen on it.
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followed those trends.
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And so for me, I was like, can I do
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well from doing good, impact the world in a positive way,
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and feed my family?
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Right?
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And the answer was yes.
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Wow. So the reason I asked the why is because
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I'm a big Simon Sinek fan. I don't know if
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you are or not.
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Sure.
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His whole books start with why. And so that's when
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I think of how and the what, I think of initially, well,
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why do I want to do this? Why do I
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want to not know why? what day it is. So
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I ask you, why? Why did you want to be
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able to wake up and be like, what is it?
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Is it Friday? Is it Monday? I don't know. Well,
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this is cool. This is what I want. Why is that?
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Because I've always lived by the clock.
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I've always been a make shit happen, get it done,
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be productive, make the most of every moment kind of gal.
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And so I thought I would try something new.
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So what do you mean? So earlier in your life,
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you were kind of regimented. You had to get up
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at whatever time on Monday and go into a job.
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Is that what you mean?
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No, I've almost always been an entrepreneur. I did work
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for Corporate America for long enough to realize that that
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wasn't my forever path.
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That that wasn't going to work for me forever.
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But.
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I have just always been.
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A goal-oriented, what time is it, how much orange juice
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can I squeeze out of the orange kind of person. Right.
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And didn't stop and smell the roses.
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Like at one point I had to take on the
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descriptor words of fun and flexible because I'm just a
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very intense person. I just can get a lot done
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in a short period of time and just decided that
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there's a whole lot of the world that I haven't
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seen in a whole lot of things coming out of
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my mouth. Like, oh, I want to learn how to
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speak Spanish, Italian and French. But if your feet don't
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match your lips, that's a problem. Yeah. If you say,
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I want, I want, I want, but your feet are
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not moving in that direction, that is a problem. So
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it was just a personal choice for me. I wanted
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to just be able to enjoy time with my daughter
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while I still have her and I'm still important to
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her because she's going to, I'm going to be old
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news at some point.
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She's going to be like, oh, I have my own life, mom.
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I'm out of here.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So you also mentioned that you have your vision, your
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family vision, And I would like to learn a little
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bit more about that.
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Sure. So it started three years ago. I went to
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New York, and two of my clients were going on
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a cruise, and I very jokingly said, who's going to
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take care of my nephew, Coulter?
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And who's their dog?
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Yeah.
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Because one client is the head of HR for a major, major,
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major company, and his husband is an interior designer. So
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they had this just amazing palace, basically, in New York.
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And I said, yeah, I want to go to New
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York and live the way that I didn't live when
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I was there 20 years ago when I had to
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go outside of my apartment to change my mind because
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it was so small.
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Yeah.
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So at the time I was working on two manuscripts
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and they said, well, we have doggy daycare and we
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have dog walkers, but you could sure come and stay
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with Coulter. And work on your book.
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Oh, okay.
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And I said, great.
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So I went to New.
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York for 11 days and there was a Nor'easter and
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it was just an interesting experience because they had adopted
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a puppy.
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So that was kind of a fun kind of throw
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that in the mixer.
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And, but I loved being in their space where everything
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had a place and it wasn't huge and, By New
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York standards, it was gymongous. But by any other standard,
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it was, you know, your average everyday square footage. But
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everything had a place and everything was in its place.
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And it was beautiful. And I came home.
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I came back to Austin and I said to my husband,
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let's get rid of everything and move into a place
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in Austin where we can live in an apartment and
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we can walk to everything.
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We can walk to Whole Foods and to the movies
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and to sushi.
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And he just looked at me like I was crazy.
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And he said, well, I could live in an apartment,
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but I don't know about you, princess. And I said,
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hide and watch. And 60 days later, we had gone
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from 4,500 square feet to 1,200 square feet.
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Wow.
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Well, my husband, being in the entertainment business, has always
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said at some point we want to get a bus. Well,
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I'm a farm girl from Ohio, so a bus was
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a ground.
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Yeah.
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And that wasn't going to work for me. But then
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we were watching epic RVs on the Travel Channel. So
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then we would see these $ 2 million buses. that were
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nicer than pretty much any home you'd ever been on.
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And I was like, well, I could live on one
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of those. And he was like, really? And I said, yeah.
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And so there, there was born the idea that we
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would get rid of everything and live on a bus
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and be mobile full time.
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Really?
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Yes.
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When do you, do you have a time that you
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want to make this happen?
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We are making it happen by June of 2016.
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June of 2016. So how are you going to make
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that happen?
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We're getting a bus built. We have found a bus
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company that is making a bunk bus with two bathrooms.
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So we're a family. We're going to live, you know,
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we're like living on it full time. So it's not
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kind of a fun camping trip for three days where
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we kind of make do with one bathroom.
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Three adults basically, right?
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Yeah.
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So that dog won't hunt in my life. So we
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went to go look at buses, and the guy who
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owns the biggest RV company in the country actually has
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four kids. And so he has spent the last couple
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of years designing a bus with bunks and a midship.
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bath and then a full bath in the back. So
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we'll have a master bedroom, a full bathroom, a full closet.
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Our daughter will have bunks. She'll have her own closet,
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her own bathroom. Wow.
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So what do you plan to do? Do you plan
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to just travel then? So you just drive all over
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the country?
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Yep. Yep, yep.
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That is a very cool vision. That's not where I
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was expecting this to go. So I just learned something
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new and that is very, very neat.
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Yes.
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Well, it's funny.
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We're going to have a, actually have a podcast about
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it and we haven't decided on the name of it,
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but it's basically entrepreneurs.
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On the bus, right? We're going to be entrepreneurs and
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we're going.
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To discover new ways to be mobile and talk to
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people who are in jobs who, because the more people
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I tell about it, they go, you know, you're kind
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of living the dream. I love to just travel around and,
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but how do you make that happen? And, and it weren't,
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it's not low budget. I mean, this is like a
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full on situation, a seven figure bus. I mean, it's not,
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we're not trying to figure out how to live on
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$ 80 a month, right?
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We're Yeah, you still want to live a nice life,
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but be mobile.
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But be mobile. Yeah, we want to have our house
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with us.
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Is this a common thing out there that maybe I
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just don't know about? Are there a lot of people
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doing something like this, or is this pretty unique?
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I think the answer to that is both.
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I think there are more and more people who are
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recognizing that they can make money and have a life of,
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not make money and then have a life. It's not,
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I'm working my whole life and saving up my ducats
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so that someday, honey, we can go do this. There's
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a whole bunch of people who are older, who have
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retired and they've gotten their RVs, but the average person
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spends less than 30 days a year on their RV
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or their bus.
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Yeah. And this will be your only kind of real
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estate that you own?
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Right. Until later, we want to get like a thousand
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acre ranch somewhere, Montana or Colorado or something, but that's
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not until later. Like we really want to just be
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mobile and travel around the U.S. and Canada and see
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all the stuff that there is to see. And there's
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a lot to see, but a lot of what there
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is to see also comes with the lack of favorable accommodations,
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let's say.
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I understand what you're saying. Wow. So what are some
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of the first places you'll want to go?
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All of them.
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I have several different things mapped out.
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I mean, I want to see the Grand Canyon and
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I want to go see Mount Rushmore and I want
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to go, I mean, just everywhere. We want to go
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and kind of camp in cities. Like we live there,
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spend a month or six weeks somewhere and really get
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to know the city because there's no other way to
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really do that.
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What about school for your daughter?
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So she is going into her sophomore year. So she'll
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be in regular school for her sophomore year. And then
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we're not changing that. There is actually some place here
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in Austin that we're going to, quote unquote, live when
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she's in school. But they very rarely nowadays have a
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full week of school. They always manage to have a
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teacher in service or a holiday or something. So when
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she's not... In school, we will pull in the slide
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outs and hit the road, even if it's just for
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three or four days. I mean, we're in Texas. There's
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a lot of Texas to see.
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Yeah. That we can see. And it's funny.
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We went to my mother-in-law's house this past weekend. And
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about every five miles, it was like RV park, RV park,
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RV park, right? There's tons of places to just camp
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overnight if we want to do that.
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That's pretty cool. Yeah. I was not expecting you to
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go here on a race, but I like it. This
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is really, really neat. So, you know, shifting gears a
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little bit. But one of the aspects of you that's
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impressive is that you also have a really... diverse, and
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really a great network around you. I think it's kind
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of a global network. And I'm curious as to what
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is your strategy slash philosophy on building such a great network?
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I like to know really amazing people. So I collect
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amazing people. And And I do my very best to
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add value as much as I can for as long
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as I can before it ever even occurs to me
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to ask for something.
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What are some ways you do that?
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Um, well, it's interesting. I joined a high level mastermind recently.
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And anytime, I think anytime you join something that you
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consider high level, then you're asking yourself, what do I
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bring to the party? So everyone in the mastermind was like, well,
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I have this product that I created in here. It's
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free for everybody. And I was like, what could I
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give them right in return? And then the answer was
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my brain. People pay me a lot of money for
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my strategic mind.
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Mm-hmm.
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By the hour. And so I just kind of posted
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in there, I'm happy to give anyone an hour of
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my time that would like one, you know, in exchange,
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like here's my give. And so that's what I offer
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people is when I'm, I'm working on a book right
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now called prosperity for writers. I'm attempting to change the
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perception that writers specifically have around being starving and writers, right?
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How do you make money as a writer? Like what
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are the psychological shifts that you have to make? And
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so I've been interviewing people who make a tremendous amount
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of money as writers. And my outcome for all of
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those conversations is to connect with them and get information
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from them that would be helpful to my readers.
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But I always spend the last 10 to.
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15 minutes of the conversation asking them about their business
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and blowing their minds with a thought or a strategy
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that I came to the call with that would change
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their lives, make their life better, make their time better,
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or put money in their pocket or all of the above.
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Because that's how my brain works.
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So I study their business because I'm a fan of
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anyone who is able to accomplish something. I'm always interested
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in how that happens. But there's something about how my
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00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:04.200
brain works that I generally can look at someone's business
519
00:26:04.259 --> 00:26:07.420
and go, have you thought of this? What about trying that?
520
00:26:08.099 --> 00:26:12.920
Yeah. I love the thought of the mastermind groups and
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having that base of network that, for me, I guess,
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I think I need that group. to be smarter than
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me in a number of areas. And then there might
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be a, it sounds like you're doing this and then,
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and then there might be a part of, of what
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I bring to the table that could help them. Cause
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sometimes I think, especially in the podcasting world, people will
528
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be like, Hey, we should start a mastermind together. And
529
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it's like, yeah, that's cool. But I've got to know
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what I can bring to the table and also what
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you can bring to the table as the other person
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or the other people who are going to be in
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the group. I just find that really interesting. It's why
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I like speaking with great people like Steve Sims or
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Jason Gaynor. Those guys are really, really helpful to me.
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When you look for or you have your mastermind group,
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how did you identify what the right one would be
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for you?
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They were– it's a group of people that are really
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knocking it out of the park in self-publishing. Okay. In particular.
541
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Do you know Steve Scott?
542
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I do. Okay.
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Yeah. He's a podcast guest who I would– Identify as
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someone who's knocking out of the park as a self-publisher.
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00:27:24.809 --> 00:27:29.869
Yeah. So I interviewed him for that book. And that
546
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was what he was one of the people that he
547
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just stopped talking.
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And he's like, I'm writing.
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And that's my outcome. Whenever you ask someone who's successful
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for their time, you're actually asking for something they can
551
00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:46.779
never get back. If I give you 50 bucks or
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500 bucks or $ 50, 000, I'll just go make more money.
553
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But this time is gone forever.
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And so it's always my outcome to make them think
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that they would not have spent that time doing anything else.
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I got you. So you joined a new group recently?
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I did.
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Okay. How's it going for you?
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So far, it's amazing. I mean, we don't get together
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until the fall, but we have an online community where
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we can ask questions and share ideas, and that's been amazing.
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Okay.
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So I want to take a step back and think about...
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specific people who are listening to this podcast and they're
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hearing and they're saying, wow, now this is an interesting
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leader here. Honoré is doing extremely well and you're in
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a number of different verticals, so to speak, writing, speaking, coaching, leading,
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helping others, bringing value to mastermind groups. And so for
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the person who let's say is an accountant, And they
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make a decent living, but they have a mortgage. They
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have a spouse. They have children. They have bills to pay.
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But they have this itch. They can write. They can speak.
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Maybe they're an introvert, but they know they could do it.
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And so they're listening to this and they're saying like,
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I don't know if this is realistic for me. Like,
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I think I got it in me. I'm not sure.
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00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:19.940
Honoré obviously does and she's crushing it. So like, but
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good for her, but I just don't know if I
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could do that. When you hear of that person, what,
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what would your advice be to them?
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Sure.
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Well, the first thing is I'm giving you a hug.
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I'm giving them a virtual hug and saying that here's
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your hug. I'm embracing you in a positive way. I'm
585
00:29:40.819 --> 00:29:42.619
going to say here's the bad news. The bad news
586
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is that you have to scratch the itch. It's never
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going to go away. What you want is possible. If
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you can conceive of an idea, you can turn it
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into a reality. But just like I had my five-year
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vision of I'm going to stop doing so much of
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this and make my money from over here, then you
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have to ride those two horses. If you have a
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mortgage and a wife and kids or a husband and
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kids and you want to do this thing.
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Chances are you just can't show up next Monday with
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a resignation letter and be like, I'm out of here.
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Yeah.
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I'm not necessarily saying that people listening don't like what
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they're doing, but they want to do more.
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Right.
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You know what I mean?
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So they'll have to ride two horses.
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Yeah.
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Part of what I've had to do, what I haven't had,
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I didn't have to do it, but I've chosen to
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do over the past few years is to ride two horses.
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I didn't opt to just.
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fall on my laurels because I had success in my 20s.
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So I checked that box. I could have just said,
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I'm just going to write full time and la, la, la, la, la.
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But I decided not to do that. I decided to
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challenge myself. And so I stayed focused on my clients
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and kept building that business. But over here on the side,
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I gave up some things, right? You'll have to, you'll
615
00:31:01.390 --> 00:31:04.069
have to decide what's more important, watching Orange is the
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New Black or writing. Right? It's like if you're going
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to be a sidepreneur, then something has to give. There
618
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are only so many hours in the day. So that's
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the bad news is that you're going to have to
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continue to do two things for a while while you're
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making this other thing work. However... The whole reason I
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have the thousand word a day minimum on my writing
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is because at the end of the year, if I
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don't go on word binges where I work for several hours,
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if I just did my thousand words a day, I'll
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have four to five books at the end of the
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year just by word count alone. So it's little by little.
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A lot of people want to make giant leaps. And
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who doesn't want to make a giant leap? Who doesn't
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want to lose 15 pounds overnight? Of course, everyone does.
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But it's not realistic. So if you have this itch,
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then scratch it. Set aside 15 minutes a day, 30
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minutes a day, an hour a day, and work on
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this thing. And eventually, you're going to get there. Eventually,
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you're going to show up at the end result that
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you want, and you're going to have it.
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Yeah, I like the message of your, I think it's
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like an actionable takeaway that I'm getting here is, you know,
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you are determined to get those thousand words per day.
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So I think for anybody, they could use that in
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their life, whether it's writing or something else to think
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of it as what is it your, what are your
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thousand words per day? Every person listening, I think, can
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think of what that is. For some people, maybe it
645
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is a thousand words a day. Literally, it's the exact
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same thing if they feel like they can write or
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they want to write and they want to publish, which
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00:32:44.849 --> 00:32:48.910
I think everybody should work on. Two things I think
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00:32:48.970 --> 00:32:51.670
everybody should work on on a daily basis. It's writing
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great text and being and becoming a better communicator, both
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written and verbally. So to potentially go and give talks
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or just to stand up in front of five people
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and talk. I think those are the two things that
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everybody should work on every single day.
655
00:33:08.430 --> 00:33:10.000
I could not agree with you more.
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Yeah, I have a couple more questions here. And so, Honoré,
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you've been great. But as I was preparing for our
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time together, I noticed you had met with a guy
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that I– somebody who's been a mentor to me and
660
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helped me, and that's John Lee Dumas. And you told
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00:33:26.309 --> 00:33:28.829
him that one of the stories you told him was
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about the story of crickets– to success. And it took,
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it took years, meaning, you know, I'm not going to
664
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tell the story for you. I'd like for you to
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00:33:38.970 --> 00:33:41.769
tell it, but, but can you tell that story from
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the story of crickets to success?
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Sure. So when I, when I had the idea to
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write my book, the successful single mom, I was watching
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an Oprah show and she was doing a makeover and
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the overwhelming kind of Yep, that's how it is about
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00:33:58.869 --> 00:34:02.910
single moms was that they just were a hot mess, basically.
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And so I was like, I'm a single mom and
673
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I'm not a hot mess.
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00:34:06.849 --> 00:34:09.269
I'm pretty successful. Where's the book about how to be
675
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a successful single mom?
676
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Well, there wasn't one.
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And when I had that idea and I started talking
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about it, I got 100% encouragement. That's an amazing book.
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00:34:19.989 --> 00:34:22.380
I want to read that book. Please write that book fast.
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I put out a survey to single moms and said,
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I want to coach you. For free, if you'll let
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me write about you in my book, I had a
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thousand people. I didn't even look at the SurveyMonkey because
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I was like, I want to make sure I have
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a week. So at least one person will have responded.
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And when I opened it up, there were a thousand applications.
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Like you could just see, I could see that the
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universe was saying, yes, go do it. So I go
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and I do it and I publish the book. And
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as I said to John on his podcast, like nobody
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showed up.
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Right.
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That was like nobody. Like I had the launch party
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and people came to the launch party. But then after that,
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it was it was it wasn't crickets. Not even a
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cricket came to my party. Wow. Deafening silence. And it
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00:35:05.940 --> 00:35:10.659
wasn't until year three that I started to notice that
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Amazon was ordering more and more books. So I went
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through Amazon Advantage.
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Right.
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And so they would order, you.
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Know, 15 books and then 20 books and then 25
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books and then 50 books and then 100 books. And
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I was like, oh, this is a thing. This is
705
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a real thing. And then my accountant said, hey, this
706
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is a real thing. You need a publishing company. You
707
00:35:33.710 --> 00:35:35.409
can't run this all through. You've got to have a
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separate publishing company. And I went, oh, okay, this is exciting.
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But it was long after I thought, I'm going to
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write this book. And Oprah supports single moms. I'm just
711
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:46.940
going to send the book to Oprah and I'm going
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to be on the Oprah show with 11 million single moms.
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I'm going to sell millions of books.
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00:35:50.940 --> 00:35:54.969
Woohoo! Nothing. Nothing. Nothing.
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Wow.
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So I think I've heard other people on here say,
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John Levy, a friend of mine, said it takes a
718
00:36:03.630 --> 00:36:05.719
long time to be an overnight success. Yeah.
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Years and years and years.
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And that is what people do not see. People do
721
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:15.039
not see me in the gym at 5 a.m. I
722
00:36:15.059 --> 00:36:17.070
was there at 5.15 this morning. Guess who was there
723
00:36:17.110 --> 00:36:18.780
with me? Nobody.
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Yeah.
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Crickets.
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00:36:21.130 --> 00:36:23.730
Crickets, right? Well, I have a little television on.
727
00:36:23.750 --> 00:36:26.389
I put television on so I can watch something. And
728
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I have a podcast in my ear so I can
729
00:36:28.329 --> 00:36:31.309
learn something. But I was, you know, duking it out
730
00:36:31.570 --> 00:36:34.650
for 45 minutes like no one sees that. They just go, oh, Honoré,
731
00:36:34.670 --> 00:36:35.909
you look terrific. Have a donut.
732
00:36:35.929 --> 00:36:40.780
Yeah. You can have a donut. You're, you're already thin. Okay.
733
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Well, let's look for those just tuning in. Let's review
734
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how that happened.
735
00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:48.079
Yeah. I see what you're saying. What, what podcasts do
736
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you listen to?
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00:36:48.619 --> 00:36:52.789
Well, this morning I was listening to the author strong podcast,
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but I listened to a lot of them.
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Okay, cool. I'm a huge podcast fan. Obviously we're on
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a podcast, a little meta, but it's a, Definitely. I'm
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into that. So I'm just curious. When you said that,
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I'm like, I wonder what she listens to. I have
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one more question, and it's really around the whole purpose
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for the show. We had a great conversation prior to recording,
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and this show is about leadership, learning, constantly striving to
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get better, being intentional with your actions as we progress,
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learning from the journey of others to help it better work.
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I don't know, better help our own, right? And really
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out there to serve others and to help people. So
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when you think of a learning leader, how would you
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define a great learning leader?
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Everything that you just said, specifically about learning. Someone who
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takes their learning seriously and does not believe that they
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have ever stopped learning.
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Does a person come to mind? Steve Sims just said
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Elon Musk, just to give you one example.
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Sure. Well, I think I've heard it from every one
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of my self-appointed mentors. That is why for me, 10
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years ago, I decided that instead of having audio programs
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that I wanted to get around to listening to, that
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I was actually going to get up an hour earlier
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and go into my office and listen and take notes.
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to those audio programs. So I had a friend of
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mine who actually gave me about a million dollars worth
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of personal growth audios on an external drive. I think
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it's like 800 years of audios. And I would always say,
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oh yeah, I'm going to get around to listening to that.
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And then finally, again, my feet needed to match my lips.
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But that is what, if you believe in self-development, if
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you do any reading in self-development, every self-development leader will
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tell you that leaders are readers. Leaders are learners. And
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that you have to constantly be learning something. You have
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to put good stuff in in order to get good
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stuff out. I think you can look at any successful
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person and know that they are spending some time In
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the words, in some words, to learn something and make
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themselves better.
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Yeah, perfect. I love it. Thank you. so much, Shana Ray. Seriously,
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this has been a great conversation for me. I learned
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a lot. And at one place that I wasn't expecting
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is I did not know about the, you know, your vision.
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And I think that is really, really interesting. And I
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appreciate you sharing it with me and with the listeners
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here at the Learning Leader Show.
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It was such a pleasure to have this conversation with you.
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Thank you for having me.
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Absolutely. I look forward to continuing dialogue. But yeah, for now,
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we have to get going. But thanks so much, Honoré.
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Thank you.
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All right. Bye. Bye. This episode of The Learning Leader
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Show is over, but we have plenty more to keep
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you locked in until next time. Head over to learningleadershow.com
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