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Wait Did you hear that? What are you talking
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about? Oh, come on. Did you see what I just saw?
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No, I didn't Well, maybe you didn't but how about
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did you feel that cool air breeze blow by? Well
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now that you're talking about it. It does feel
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a little chilly in here Oh Thank you Hey, what
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happened to my keys? They were just on the table
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It's not in my job description Well, I don't
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know. Could it be a ghost or a spirit? Uh -oh,
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you're not going to talk about angels again,
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are you? Ah, is it friendly? I really hope it
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is. Like, Casper the friendly ghost. Yeah, I
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understand that. I would prefer a friendly ghost.
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Hey, to our audience, we today are going to take
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you on a ghostly tour of the possible spirit
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world. And I'm also going to share a few... Stories
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and experiences before we get into the body of
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this thing. Well, let's start with a Minor deep
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dive. Here we go All right, it's gonna go back
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a number of years. I Yeah, my first teenage girlfriend
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She told me about her experience her grandma
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had with she perceived to be ghosts She said
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grandma would put her shoes down at the foot
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of the stairs And when she'd come down in the
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morning, they were moved I have to admit that
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I was more moved by my girlfriend as opposed
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to her ghostly story. And I thought, well, that's
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cute. I don't know what, I don't know your grandma,
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but anyhow, and that was that thinking nothing
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more of it until a number of years later, I'm
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managing a apartment building and I have a big
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ring of keys and I do the same thing all the
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time. I unlock my office door. I come in, there's
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an interior room there. There's a second room,
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which is the one that has my desk. I go in there.
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I put the keys on the corner of my desk and I
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sit down at my desk. I do that as usual. I only
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stay though this time, I don't know, 10 minutes
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and I'm going to get out of here. I don't need
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to be here. And I get up and I walk around at
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the front of the desk to grab my keys. They're
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gone. Oh, for sure. I have no idea where they
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went. Someone said, well, someone took them.
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Well, a lady did come in the office, but she
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never went into that part of the office. So.
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What a nightmare grandma's keys were on that
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key ring also and she's out of town. I got to
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check her mail A few days later One of my tenants
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comes in she was walking down the street and
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Three buildings down she saw something shiny
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in the bushes and she grabbed them lo and behold.
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It's a set of keys Guess whose keys they were
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I don't know. It was very, very ghostly. I got
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my full ring of keys back. I had no problem getting
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grandma's mail and I thought, wow. And I thought
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that was the end of it. No, a couple more here.
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I spent a number of years and I worked at the
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county morgue. Oh, he'll say that's going to
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be, there's going to be ghosts there. Well, we
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did not believe there were ghosts there. We didn't
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see any signs of ghosts there until one day up
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on the third floor where our boiler room was.
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I'm sitting there at the desk and I hear some
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sounds. Sounds like someone's saying, Mary. And
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we're thinking it's just the wind or whatever.
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But then my buddies who also end up sitting up
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there happen to mention that to me. Maybe, yeah,
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I don't know if that was the wind. Again, we
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don't think anything of it. If that's not enough,
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sitting at that same desk. In front of me are
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the doors to the boiler room and on those doors
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are the magnetic signs that say no smoking Magnetic
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mind you While I'm sitting there they pop off
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the door into the hallway Let me just tell you
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I didn't wait for the elevator I hit that staircase
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and I was down on the first floor like right
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now. Okay? And if that's not enough above my
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desk is a clock on the wall battery operated
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while sitting there that clock went over my head,
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over my desk and landed in the hallway one day.
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Wow. Again. Excuse my French, but I ran like
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hell. I think your French is fine. And one other
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story here. Excuse me. My wife seems to have
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lost her keys and we look everywhere and we can't
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find them. And of course it's the key fob. Otherwise
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you can't just go to the lock guy and get, you
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know, no. It's the fob. You got to have the fob.
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And we give up. We looked in her purse. She tore
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her purse apart. Everything else. I have an appointment
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set now to get a new fob. It's going to be, I
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don't know, $300 or whatever. And for some reason,
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my granddaughter and I decide, let's look in
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the purse one more time before I leave to get
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this project completed. And underneath a container
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of mints, the keys. Now my wife had dumped everything
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out of that purse previously So that's it if
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that ain't enough, but that's it those micro
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stories Hey stories of seeing grandparents or
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feeling someone on the bed. I've heard about
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those I think my wife is even has mentioned something
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about that that I have to say I have not seen
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yet. It starts getting okay. That is yeah, you
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see real life movement That's another level but
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it could exist So what are we gonna do today?
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If we get into trouble, who are we gonna call?
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Ghostbusters! Well, now that I've told you my
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story, let's take a look at other cultures, beliefs,
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and the impact ghosts and spirits play in our
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lives. Okay, now we're gonna really get into
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a deep dive. Well, right off the bat, different
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cultures around the world You know, they have
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different perceptions on ghosts and their unique
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beliefs and traditions and their history and
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all of that. So, you know, for example, Asian
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cultures, the Japanese, they got a spirit that's
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vengeful spirit of the dead. I like that one.
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Right. You better run and hide when that guy
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comes out. And the Chinese, well, they feature
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what they call the hungry ghosts. I think that's
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a good idea. Hungry ghosts. Makes sense. These
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are, these are souls that are, they have unfulfilled
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desires still. Yeah. So they're hungry. I can
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relate to these guys when I'm doing some late
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night gnashing. Right. Have a Snickers bar or
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say boo. And then of course, you know, Mexican
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culture, we, a lot of us know about the day of
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the dead. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. You know, in fact,
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we even had a weird experience. I left my wife,
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left a bowl of black soup, it's a Belizean soup,
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on a bedroom dresser in our guest room, in honor
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of her mother. And out we went, and we had a
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dog that was about 60 pounds, medium size. We
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come home, she's going to take that food away
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now, but the bowl is empty. And I mean, empty
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and clean, like not even a speck of anything
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at all. And of course, yeah. interesting the
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way she looked at that. And eventually we realized
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that our crazy dog was able to lick that thing
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clean without ever even moving it. Dogs are amazing.
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Did Jericho use a straw? I think we actually,
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I think he did. Yes. Hey, even Western cultures.
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Okay. That's us. You know, um, well ghosts are
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always emphasized with fear, the supernatural,
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you know, in our books, uh, you know, modern
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media and all of that. It's all over cable TV.
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I'm surprised cable TV isn't the ghost yet. Yes,
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that's us. Other cultures, the African culture,
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the Caribbean culture, their ghosts play roles
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in their daily life. They got rituals that are
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hundreds, thousands of years old. I'm glad we're
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not going to go deep dive on that. Yes. And again,
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if you want to look into it, we hope our listeners
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are interested and may want to take a look at
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some of the things we talk about. Like sourdough
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bread starter as a pet, we didn't tell you how
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to make sourdough bread. I like sourdough, but
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then when we started talking about Caribbean
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spirits, I started worrying about voodoo. I worked
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with some people from Jamaica for a couple or
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three years. Yes, yes. It's all cigars, pennies
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in the corner. And finally the Tibetan culture.
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How can we leave the Tibetan culture out? We
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got to recognize them because they're cool people.
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They are right. They they have a class of evil
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spirits. Let's just leave it at this. They're
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called the bewitchers. Oh, and hey, why not?
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They believe that the bewitchers frequent. The
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atmosphere and the earth. There you go. Goosebumps.
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There's always more that we can consider, of
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course. Ancient civilizations often have spiritual
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worlds and religions throughout ancient history.
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We know that, right? The medieval times, they
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saw ghosts as actual tangible things. Well, Catholicism
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was brought in at that point as well. And so,
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you know, constants of concepts of purgatory.
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Well, you know, I always wondered about that
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place. Let's find a medieval and ask them. Oh,
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in the Victorian era, we know about Victorians.
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That's where ghost stories, the classic ghost
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stories in books came from. Love those Victorians.
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And of course today, how can we not talk about
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modern time? Well, we have, you know, pop culture,
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influence, influencers, you know, and all of
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this blended traditions of ghosts. And of course
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we have scientific skepticism. Well, yeah, I
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think it's really cool. And the best thing about
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that skepticism is in science, you can never
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disprove that. Anything could happen once. Yes,
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that's yes, you're absolutely right. Yes, and
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you know, I guess we should tell our audience
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there are various types of ghosts. All right.
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Not that it necessarily matters, but it does.
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There's aberrations. I think I saw a ghost. Yeah,
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that's exactly right. There's the poltergeist.
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Oh, okay. The noisy one. The troublemakers. I'm
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just a reborn poltergeist. The smelly ghost somebody
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farting room. Hmm. What's that smell? It's the
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ghost There's the noisy ghost. Those are the
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scary ones. Have you ever heard a voice in the
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night? The wind or is it not yeah try to trade
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just dismiss it And then there's of course the
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animal ghosts. Yes Those kind of are weird. That's
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weird. My dog came back and haunted me. Well,
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you go on fishing and hunting trips. That's always
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the campfire stories, right? Maybe that's why
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I do catch and release when I fish. There you
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go. I like that. I don't want that walleye coming
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back at me while I'm laying in bed. That's insurance.
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I love it. And of course, because there's this
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possibility of ghosts and spirits in our society,
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we need a way of coping. And so we use them in
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coping with death or loss. People will use ghosts.
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The fear of the supernatural is a punishment.
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Well, that's why there's Facebook. Yes. They're
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going to get you if you continue. The vengeful
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boogie ghosts. And of course, yes, entertainment
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and storytelling. We build traditions over ghosts.
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Like I said, spiritual and religious in many
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cultures. And when there's times of uncertainty,
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Why not just believe in ghosts and spirits? It's
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our human nature. We just need to know if it
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makes you feel better, right? You're right human
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nature and of course then we have the people
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that want to find the evidence of the ghost.
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Oh What are your ghost busters busters, right?
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They had the equipment and yes, there is equipment
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used to Bust ghosts or find ghosts. Oh, I love
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equipment. I mean that's you know, right? of
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course because the representative in you know,
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popular media and all that. Cable TV, it's full
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of it. Some people say that's evidence. I saw
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the ghost on a movie way other day and it's a
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ghost, you know. And of course, you know, there's
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skepticism. There's criticism of the way people
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hunt for ghosts. I don't like the way you're
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looking for the ghost. I don't believe you're
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going to find the ghost. And still, we must remember,
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science says there's no evidence of ghosts or
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spirits. That's what they want us to believe.
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We shall see. Well, while there is no scientific
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evidence supporting the existence of ghosts,
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there are people that do study it. There's a
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variety of different careers, if you want, that
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you can make a living studying ghosts. Sure.
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Why not? Pretty cool. In fact, humans have had
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a long and really complex relationship with the
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concept of ghosts and spirits. Throughout history
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You know like the belief in ghosts is remarkably
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common across all the cultures as I've already
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said and different time periods and Hey in the
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United States Recent surveys indicate that a
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significant portion of the population actually
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believe in ghosts One more piece of evidence
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as to how intelligent they are one survey found
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over 45 % of Americans believe there could be
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ghosts and spirits. Could be. Could be. All I
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know is this. America, other places around the
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world, they know how to cash in on something
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they see that they can cash in on. You know,
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I'm a capitalist at heart. Right? I don't blame
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them. No. Ghost stories. Hey, that's the literature.
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That's the films. Okay. A lot of money made on
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that kind of stuff. Ghost hunting, as I said,
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that's a popular activity today. I'll tell you,
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I can see the cash register on that one. Right.
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There's reality TV shows about that all the time.
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Did you see that? Did you see that? You know,
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we're all staring at watching that. Best thing
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to do is watch who the sponsors are on those
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shows. Exactly. They're making money. And of
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course, if Ghostbusters The original movie wasn't
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enough. In recent days, months, whatever, there's
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actually been a Ghostbusters 2 that all of a
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sudden got produced. You know, and I actually
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am suffering from the temptation of seeing it
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before it's on Amazon Prime or something. And
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hey, I know this from experience again. I visited
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Savannah on vacation. Me too. And so historical
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locations are also used to make money and tell
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ghost stories. Yeah, those places were kind of
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creepy, weren't they? Yeah, you could like, you
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know, you can get yourself to believe in things
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like that. Yeah, and you walk through that cemetery
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and it's like, I don't know. So hey, while scientific
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evidence for ghosts remains, you might say elusive,
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the concept continues to captivate our human
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imagination. And a good thing it is. It literally
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plays a significant role in many cultures and
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in individuals belief systems. Okay. I mean,
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we, we know that, you know, these beliefs are
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deeply rooted in the cultural traditions, as
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we know, the historical experiences, spiritual
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practices that people do, as we talked about.
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It's, you know, the living and the dead are infiltrating
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our world all the time. You know, people believe
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this is, you know, the persistence of ghost beliefs
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across time and cultures, basically just highlights
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the complex way humans grapple, you might say,
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with the mortality, the memory, and the unknown.
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Right. Hey, before I share with you, of course,
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my conclusion. We thought we'd look into the
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ghosts and spirits relationship with animals
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because don't they deserve a look? Oh, yeah,
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for sure. I'm sure they see ghosts more than
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I do. I can believe that. While, of course, there's
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no evidence that animals can sense ghosts, many
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people do believe that their pets and other animals
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have a, let's call it a heightened sensitivity
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to ghosts. things that we don't see, things that
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go bump in the night, right? It's true. Animals
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have a stronger sense of smell. Way stronger,
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yeah. You can't argue that. And we already talked
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about smelly ghosts. Yes, exactly. So what am
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I smelling? They can hear better than we can.
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Absolutely. They know high frequency sounds go
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right to their heads. You're just feeding my
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curiosity now. Guaranteed they got better night
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vision than we do. Heck yeah. So did you see
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it? No, but my dog did. Yeah. Okay. He detected
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some slight movement over there. I guarantee
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you. Look at the way that dog's looking. Okay.
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They're sensitive to changes in barometric pressure.
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We know that, right? They can sense hurricanes,
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tornadoes. Right. Right? Yeah. Absolutely. The
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moon. The moon. tides howling wolves in the moon
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right yeah how long is that and they turn that
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into ghost stories of course um you know we are
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so we observe these things you know they stare
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in empty spaces it makes me think of cats i just
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gotta think of that too cats now we're talking
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cats right what the heck's my cat looking at
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i don't have a cap and you think you know yeah
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barking or making noises at Nothing that's visible
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is that it always is fun to watch right, right?
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Hey simple thing like following things with their
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eyes Mm -hmm. All right. What are you looking
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at? Yeah, I can't see something. Yes, right,
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you know and sometimes they'll come up to you
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and You're thinking like comfort There's something
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scaring them. You don't know what's scaring you.
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What's the matter? You know, I never thought
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of it that way. I always thought they were greedy
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little hungry things. Yeah, right. They always
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want to be fed. Cheese stick or something, right?
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It could be that they're seeing a ghost. No,
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they're distracted. They're, you know, they're
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just they're just not seeing what we think is
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normal things to see. Yeah, it's like they're
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not there. Yes. There's some something else is
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the unseen presence, right? Yes. Very strange
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and hey, let's not just leave it at dogs and
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I guess cats before we get out of this whole
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thing and go to my ever ever conclusion We have
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other animals like horses horses. They always
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always look spooked to me a lot of times with
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their big eyes But yes, they have a little thing
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birds. They suddenly go silent and become agitated
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Very strange. Yeah, that's strange and I don't
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understand birds, but they're adorable little
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things And this one, you know, they say I've
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seen this. I don't know if it's a ghost. I think
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it might be, you know, there's a hawk flying,
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but hey, sometimes animals like rabbits or rodents
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just freeze and appear alert. That's like really
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crazy. I've seen that. Definitely. Definitely
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seen that. So much about animal perception remains
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unknown. Yes, we, of course, but this is what's
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important. I think this leaves room for continued
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debate. and the intriguing topic. So, in conclusion,
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after looking into the possibilities of and the
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cultural beliefs of ghosts along with my own
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experiences, I am a believer. Mark, possible
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believer? Well, I'm going to stick to science
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and be a skeptic. Listeners, believers? Not yet.
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I'd like to hear from some people Right. We'd
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love to hear from you. I think there might be
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something science says of course Anything can
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happen once like you said. Yeah, so well thing
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is is that at least science is still looking
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that's the thing Yes, they are not total disbelievers.
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Nope. So otherwise they wouldn't look Hey, I
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must be part of the 40 plus percent I think there
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might be some spiritual activity here. Yeah.
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Right. Well, I think I could fit that mold. Um,
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yes. I also am a strong believer in science.
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Well, that's why we're doing what we're doing.
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That's exactly right. You know, I don't disbelieve
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science. Okay. So therein lies the confusion.
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If there's to be any, it says there is no proof.
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That's what they say. I ask you, our listeners,
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what do you think? Again, let me just say this.
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If a poltergeist in my television or an image
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walking into my living room would be interesting,
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it would also be super scary. Our life experiences
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are filled with many strange and wonderful and
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sometimes unexplained occurrences. So let me
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just say that should a poltergeist or anything
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bother you, Father me. Father us. I personally,
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if I'm able to, will extend our best wishes to
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Casper the Friendly Ghost, if for when I meet
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him. Thank you for listening and BOOM! Thanks
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Wait Did you hear that? What are you talking
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about? Oh, come on. Did you see what I just saw?
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No, I didn't Well, maybe you didn't but how about
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did you feel that cool air breeze blow by? Well
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now that you're talking about it. It does feel
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a little chilly in here Oh Thank you Hey, what
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happened to my keys? They were just on the table
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It's not in my job description Well, I don't
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know. Could it be a ghost or a spirit? Uh -oh,
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you're not going to talk about angels again,
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are you? Ah, is it friendly? I really hope it
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is. Like, Casper the friendly ghost. Yeah, I
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understand that. I would prefer a friendly ghost.
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Hey, to our audience, we today are going to take
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you on a ghostly tour of the possible spirit
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world. And I'm also going to share a few... Stories
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and experiences before we get into the body of
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this thing. Well, let's start with a Minor deep
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dive. Here we go All right, it's gonna go back
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a number of years. I Yeah, my first teenage girlfriend
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She told me about her experience her grandma
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had with she perceived to be ghosts She said
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grandma would put her shoes down at the foot
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of the stairs And when she'd come down in the
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morning, they were moved I have to admit that
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I was more moved by my girlfriend as opposed
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to her ghostly story. And I thought, well, that's
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cute. I don't know what, I don't know your grandma,
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but anyhow, and that was that thinking nothing
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more of it until a number of years later, I'm
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managing a apartment building and I have a big
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ring of keys and I do the same thing all the
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time. I unlock my office door. I come in, there's
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an interior room there. There's a second room,
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which is the one that has my desk. I go in there.
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I put the keys on the corner of my desk and I
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sit down at my desk. I do that as usual. I only
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stay though this time, I don't know, 10 minutes
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and I'm going to get out of here. I don't need
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to be here. And I get up and I walk around at
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the front of the desk to grab my keys. They're
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gone. Oh, for sure. I have no idea where they
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went. Someone said, well, someone took them.
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Well, a lady did come in the office, but she
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never went into that part of the office. So.
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What a nightmare grandma's keys were on that
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key ring also and she's out of town. I got to
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check her mail A few days later One of my tenants
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comes in she was walking down the street and
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Three buildings down she saw something shiny
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in the bushes and she grabbed them lo and behold.
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It's a set of keys Guess whose keys they were
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I don't know. It was very, very ghostly. I got
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my full ring of keys back. I had no problem getting
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grandma's mail and I thought, wow. And I thought
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that was the end of it. No, a couple more here.
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I spent a number of years and I worked at the
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county morgue. Oh, he'll say that's going to
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be, there's going to be ghosts there. Well, we
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did not believe there were ghosts there. We didn't
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see any signs of ghosts there until one day up
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on the third floor where our boiler room was.
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I'm sitting there at the desk and I hear some
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sounds. Sounds like someone's saying, Mary. And
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we're thinking it's just the wind or whatever.
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But then my buddies who also end up sitting up
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there happen to mention that to me. Maybe, yeah,
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I don't know if that was the wind. Again, we
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don't think anything of it. If that's not enough,
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sitting at that same desk. In front of me are
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the doors to the boiler room and on those doors
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are the magnetic signs that say no smoking Magnetic
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mind you While I'm sitting there they pop off
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the door into the hallway Let me just tell you
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I didn't wait for the elevator I hit that staircase
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and I was down on the first floor like right
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now. Okay? And if that's not enough above my
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desk is a clock on the wall battery operated
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while sitting there that clock went over my head,
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over my desk and landed in the hallway one day.
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Wow. Again. Excuse my French, but I ran like
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hell. I think your French is fine. And one other
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story here. Excuse me. My wife seems to have
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lost her keys and we look everywhere and we can't
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find them. And of course it's the key fob. Otherwise
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you can't just go to the lock guy and get, you
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know, no. It's the fob. You got to have the fob.
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And we give up. We looked in her purse. She tore
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her purse apart. Everything else. I have an appointment
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set now to get a new fob. It's going to be, I
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don't know, $300 or whatever. And for some reason,
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my granddaughter and I decide, let's look in
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the purse one more time before I leave to get
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this project completed. And underneath a container
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of mints, the keys. Now my wife had dumped everything
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out of that purse previously So that's it if
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that ain't enough, but that's it those micro
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stories Hey stories of seeing grandparents or
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feeling someone on the bed. I've heard about
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those I think my wife is even has mentioned something
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about that that I have to say I have not seen
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yet. It starts getting okay. That is yeah, you
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see real life movement That's another level but
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it could exist So what are we gonna do today?
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If we get into trouble, who are we gonna call?
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Ghostbusters! Well, now that I've told you my
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story, let's take a look at other cultures, beliefs,
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and the impact ghosts and spirits play in our
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lives. Okay, now we're gonna really get into
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a deep dive. Well, right off the bat, different
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cultures around the world You know, they have
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different perceptions on ghosts and their unique
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beliefs and traditions and their history and
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all of that. So, you know, for example, Asian
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cultures, the Japanese, they got a spirit that's
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vengeful spirit of the dead. I like that one.
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Right. You better run and hide when that guy
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comes out. And the Chinese, well, they feature
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what they call the hungry ghosts. I think that's
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a good idea. Hungry ghosts. Makes sense. These
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are, these are souls that are, they have unfulfilled
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desires still. Yeah. So they're hungry. I can
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relate to these guys when I'm doing some late
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night gnashing. Right. Have a Snickers bar or
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say boo. And then of course, you know, Mexican
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culture, we, a lot of us know about the day of
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the dead. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. You know, in fact,
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we even had a weird experience. I left my wife,
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left a bowl of black soup, it's a Belizean soup,
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on a bedroom dresser in our guest room, in honor
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of her mother. And out we went, and we had a
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dog that was about 60 pounds, medium size. We
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come home, she's going to take that food away
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now, but the bowl is empty. And I mean, empty
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and clean, like not even a speck of anything
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at all. And of course, yeah. interesting the
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way she looked at that. And eventually we realized
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that our crazy dog was able to lick that thing
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clean without ever even moving it. Dogs are amazing.
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Did Jericho use a straw? I think we actually,
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I think he did. Yes. Hey, even Western cultures.
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Okay. That's us. You know, um, well ghosts are
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always emphasized with fear, the supernatural,
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you know, in our books, uh, you know, modern
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media and all of that. It's all over cable TV.
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I'm surprised cable TV isn't the ghost yet. Yes,
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that's us. Other cultures, the African culture,
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the Caribbean culture, their ghosts play roles
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in their daily life. They got rituals that are
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hundreds, thousands of years old. I'm glad we're
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not going to go deep dive on that. Yes. And again,
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if you want to look into it, we hope our listeners
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are interested and may want to take a look at
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some of the things we talk about. Like sourdough
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bread starter as a pet, we didn't tell you how
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to make sourdough bread. I like sourdough, but
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then when we started talking about Caribbean
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spirits, I started worrying about voodoo. I worked
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with some people from Jamaica for a couple or
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three years. Yes, yes. It's all cigars, pennies
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in the corner. And finally the Tibetan culture.
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How can we leave the Tibetan culture out? We
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got to recognize them because they're cool people.
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They are right. They they have a class of evil
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spirits. Let's just leave it at this. They're
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called the bewitchers. Oh, and hey, why not?
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They believe that the bewitchers frequent. The
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atmosphere and the earth. There you go. Goosebumps.
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There's always more that we can consider, of
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course. Ancient civilizations often have spiritual
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worlds and religions throughout ancient history.
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We know that, right? The medieval times, they
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saw ghosts as actual tangible things. Well, Catholicism
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was brought in at that point as well. And so,
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you know, constants of concepts of purgatory.
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Well, you know, I always wondered about that
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place. Let's find a medieval and ask them. Oh,
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in the Victorian era, we know about Victorians.
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That's where ghost stories, the classic ghost
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stories in books came from. Love those Victorians.
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And of course today, how can we not talk about
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modern time? Well, we have, you know, pop culture,
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influence, influencers, you know, and all of
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this blended traditions of ghosts. And of course
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we have scientific skepticism. Well, yeah, I
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think it's really cool. And the best thing about
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that skepticism is in science, you can never
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disprove that. Anything could happen once. Yes,
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that's yes, you're absolutely right. Yes, and
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you know, I guess we should tell our audience
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there are various types of ghosts. All right.
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Not that it necessarily matters, but it does.
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There's aberrations. I think I saw a ghost. Yeah,
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that's exactly right. There's the poltergeist.
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Oh, okay. The noisy one. The troublemakers. I'm
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just a reborn poltergeist. The smelly ghost somebody
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farting room. Hmm. What's that smell? It's the
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ghost There's the noisy ghost. Those are the
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scary ones. Have you ever heard a voice in the
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night? The wind or is it not yeah try to trade
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just dismiss it And then there's of course the
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animal ghosts. Yes Those kind of are weird. That's
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weird. My dog came back and haunted me. Well,
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you go on fishing and hunting trips. That's always
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the campfire stories, right? Maybe that's why
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I do catch and release when I fish. There you
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go. I like that. I don't want that walleye coming
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back at me while I'm laying in bed. That's insurance.
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I love it. And of course, because there's this
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possibility of ghosts and spirits in our society,
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we need a way of coping. And so we use them in
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coping with death or loss. People will use ghosts.
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The fear of the supernatural is a punishment.
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Well, that's why there's Facebook. Yes. They're
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going to get you if you continue. The vengeful
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boogie ghosts. And of course, yes, entertainment
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and storytelling. We build traditions over ghosts.
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Like I said, spiritual and religious in many
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cultures. And when there's times of uncertainty,
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Why not just believe in ghosts and spirits? It's
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our human nature. We just need to know if it
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makes you feel better, right? You're right human
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nature and of course then we have the people
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that want to find the evidence of the ghost.
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Oh What are your ghost busters busters, right?
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They had the equipment and yes, there is equipment
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used to Bust ghosts or find ghosts. Oh, I love
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equipment. I mean that's you know, right? of
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course because the representative in you know,
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popular media and all that. Cable TV, it's full
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of it. Some people say that's evidence. I saw
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the ghost on a movie way other day and it's a
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ghost, you know. And of course, you know, there's
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skepticism. There's criticism of the way people
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hunt for ghosts. I don't like the way you're
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looking for the ghost. I don't believe you're
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going to find the ghost. And still, we must remember,
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science says there's no evidence of ghosts or
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spirits. That's what they want us to believe.
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We shall see. Well, while there is no scientific
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evidence supporting the existence of ghosts,
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there are people that do study it. There's a
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variety of different careers, if you want, that
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you can make a living studying ghosts. Sure.
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Why not? Pretty cool. In fact, humans have had
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a long and really complex relationship with the
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concept of ghosts and spirits. Throughout history
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You know like the belief in ghosts is remarkably
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common across all the cultures as I've already
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said and different time periods and Hey in the
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United States Recent surveys indicate that a
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significant portion of the population actually
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believe in ghosts One more piece of evidence
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as to how intelligent they are one survey found
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over 45 % of Americans believe there could be
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ghosts and spirits. Could be. Could be. All I
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know is this. America, other places around the
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world, they know how to cash in on something
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they see that they can cash in on. You know,
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I'm a capitalist at heart. Right? I don't blame
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them. No. Ghost stories. Hey, that's the literature.
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That's the films. Okay. A lot of money made on
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that kind of stuff. Ghost hunting, as I said,
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that's a popular activity today. I'll tell you,
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I can see the cash register on that one. Right.
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There's reality TV shows about that all the time.
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Did you see that? Did you see that? You know,
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we're all staring at watching that. Best thing
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to do is watch who the sponsors are on those
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shows. Exactly. They're making money. And of
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course, if Ghostbusters The original movie wasn't
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enough. In recent days, months, whatever, there's
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actually been a Ghostbusters 2 that all of a
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sudden got produced. You know, and I actually
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am suffering from the temptation of seeing it
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before it's on Amazon Prime or something. And
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hey, I know this from experience again. I visited
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Savannah on vacation. Me too. And so historical
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locations are also used to make money and tell
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ghost stories. Yeah, those places were kind of
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creepy, weren't they? Yeah, you could like, you
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know, you can get yourself to believe in things
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like that. Yeah, and you walk through that cemetery
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and it's like, I don't know. So hey, while scientific
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evidence for ghosts remains, you might say elusive,
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the concept continues to captivate our human
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imagination. And a good thing it is. It literally
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plays a significant role in many cultures and
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in individuals belief systems. Okay. I mean,
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we, we know that, you know, these beliefs are
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deeply rooted in the cultural traditions, as
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we know, the historical experiences, spiritual
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practices that people do, as we talked about.
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It's, you know, the living and the dead are infiltrating
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our world all the time. You know, people believe
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this is, you know, the persistence of ghost beliefs
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across time and cultures, basically just highlights
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the complex way humans grapple, you might say,
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with the mortality, the memory, and the unknown.
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Right. Hey, before I share with you, of course,
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my conclusion. We thought we'd look into the
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ghosts and spirits relationship with animals
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because don't they deserve a look? Oh, yeah,
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for sure. I'm sure they see ghosts more than
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I do. I can believe that. While, of course, there's
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no evidence that animals can sense ghosts, many
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people do believe that their pets and other animals
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have a, let's call it a heightened sensitivity
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to ghosts. things that we don't see, things that
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go bump in the night, right? It's true. Animals
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have a stronger sense of smell. Way stronger,
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yeah. You can't argue that. And we already talked
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about smelly ghosts. Yes, exactly. So what am
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I smelling? They can hear better than we can.
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Absolutely. They know high frequency sounds go
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right to their heads. You're just feeding my
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curiosity now. Guaranteed they got better night
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vision than we do. Heck yeah. So did you see
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it? No, but my dog did. Yeah. Okay. He detected
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some slight movement over there. I guarantee
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you. Look at the way that dog's looking. Okay.
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They're sensitive to changes in barometric pressure.
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We know that, right? They can sense hurricanes,
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tornadoes. Right. Right? Yeah. Absolutely. The
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moon. The moon. tides howling wolves in the moon
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right yeah how long is that and they turn that
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into ghost stories of course um you know we are
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so we observe these things you know they stare
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in empty spaces it makes me think of cats i just
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gotta think of that too cats now we're talking
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cats right what the heck's my cat looking at
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i don't have a cap and you think you know yeah
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barking or making noises at Nothing that's visible
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is that it always is fun to watch right, right?
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Hey simple thing like following things with their
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eyes Mm -hmm. All right. What are you looking
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at? Yeah, I can't see something. Yes, right,
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you know and sometimes they'll come up to you
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and You're thinking like comfort There's something
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scaring them. You don't know what's scaring you.
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What's the matter? You know, I never thought
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of it that way. I always thought they were greedy
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little hungry things. Yeah, right. They always
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want to be fed. Cheese stick or something, right?
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It could be that they're seeing a ghost. No,
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they're distracted. They're, you know, they're
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just they're just not seeing what we think is
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normal things to see. Yeah, it's like they're
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not there. Yes. There's some something else is
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the unseen presence, right? Yes. Very strange
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and hey, let's not just leave it at dogs and
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I guess cats before we get out of this whole
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thing and go to my ever ever conclusion We have
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other animals like horses horses. They always
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always look spooked to me a lot of times with
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their big eyes But yes, they have a little thing
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birds. They suddenly go silent and become agitated
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Very strange. Yeah, that's strange and I don't
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understand birds, but they're adorable little
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things And this one, you know, they say I've
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seen this. I don't know if it's a ghost. I think
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it might be, you know, there's a hawk flying,
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but hey, sometimes animals like rabbits or rodents
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just freeze and appear alert. That's like really
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crazy. I've seen that. Definitely. Definitely
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seen that. So much about animal perception remains
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unknown. Yes, we, of course, but this is what's
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important. I think this leaves room for continued
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debate. and the intriguing topic. So, in conclusion,
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after looking into the possibilities of and the
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cultural beliefs of ghosts along with my own
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experiences, I am a believer. Mark, possible
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believer? Well, I'm going to stick to science
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and be a skeptic. Listeners, believers? Not yet.
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I'd like to hear from some people Right. We'd
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love to hear from you. I think there might be
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something science says of course Anything can
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happen once like you said. Yeah, so well thing
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is is that at least science is still looking
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that's the thing Yes, they are not total disbelievers.
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Nope. So otherwise they wouldn't look Hey, I
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must be part of the 40 plus percent I think there
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might be some spiritual activity here. Yeah.
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Right. Well, I think I could fit that mold. Um,
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yes. I also am a strong believer in science.
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Well, that's why we're doing what we're doing.
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That's exactly right. You know, I don't disbelieve
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science. Okay. So therein lies the confusion.
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If there's to be any, it says there is no proof.
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That's what they say. I ask you, our listeners,
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what do you think? Again, let me just say this.
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If a poltergeist in my television or an image
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walking into my living room would be interesting,
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it would also be super scary. Our life experiences
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are filled with many strange and wonderful and
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sometimes unexplained occurrences. So let me
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just say that should a poltergeist or anything
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bother you, Father me. Father us. I personally,
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if I'm able to, will extend our best wishes to
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Casper the Friendly Ghost, if for when I meet
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him. Thank you for listening and BOOM! Thanks
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for joining us on Sunset Conversations, where
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