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The following may contain offensive language, adult humor, and or
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content that some viewers may find offensive. The views and
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opinions expressed by anyone speaker does not explicitly or necessarily
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reflect or represent those of Mark Ratlage or W two
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M Network. Please listen with caution or don't listen at all.
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Welcome to the Child.
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Of Your.
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Child.
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All Rise Court is now in session. The Honorable Ghost
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of Christmas Future is presiding. Ladies and gentlemen. Hey, this
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is a gaggle of roaming cats. This is on Trial
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m podcasts where we debate the merits of your favorite
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pocket is screwged. I'm your host, the mandate reporter, mister
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Mark Radleedge and down there is Uh, she's gone now
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and she's back a hi. Joining us once again. Is
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that bitch hit me with a toaster? What do you say,
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miss toaster?
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It's literally the only line I could come up with
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on the fly.
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And of course, joining us again, as he's for most
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on trials. Over the course of this podcast, he's shown
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you're not how do you do mister.
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Like my life depends on it. I was gonna say,
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damnest thing. I was looking at the title card when
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we were spawning in, which is funny because I'm so
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used to us having a quick little backstage before you
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press the button, and one second of sitting there texting,
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and then all of a sudden, I hear the disclaimer
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and like, oh shit. I was looking at the title
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card and I realized, neither of those figures really represents you. Mark.
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The one on the right looks more like me on
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the rare occasions when I'm clean shaven. In fact, it's
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damn near a spitting image my compliments.
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And the one on the left just.
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Kind of looks like me with my hair about how
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it's normally styled and with the beard.
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So that's the first time you're seeing the title card
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that it's been that long since you've done it on trial.
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I've not done it on trial in in a minute.
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Yeah you did? You did what one with me with
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the running man?
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Then I then I just must not have noticed, because
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I think during that one, during the credit sequence, I
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might have been fuxing with something in my immediate area,
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probably like my my mic or something. What was that?
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All right?
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I said, ding marijuana fects the memory, So go back.
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She says, you fucked up on Marrow on the you
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know on the Happy Grass. Listen to me, I will
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tell you the origins of that title card. So we,
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uh about a year or so ago, uh got dinged
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for copyright for using the night Court theme. We were
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in this was remember that. Yeah, this was the early
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stages of Jesse and I doing the Sessions podcast. So
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we were already like redoing a lot of themes. And
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actually I think this was like the third episode of Sessions.
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I told Jesse, I'm like, hey, we have to bump
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some of the other ideas we had. I have to
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redo them. I have to redo the on Trial theme.
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So we did, which is why you have that new
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sex as as Dorian Price put it, the theme that
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tries to have sex with you at every show because.
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You try that hard.
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Your own trial.
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That theme, I would I would think the three of
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us could go sharees these with that theme.
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I'm all up for group sex all the time. Listen
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to me. The point that I'm trying to make is
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I asked chat GPT to make me a title card,
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and I said, and it's like, what what do you need.
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I'm like, well, On Trial is the podcast where uh
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we debate the merits of your favorite movies Lincoln Douglas style,
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and it glombed onto Abraham Lincoln versus uh Douglas hard.
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So that's what that is. That is it? That is
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Abraham Lincoln and Douglas at a debate reviewing movies.
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Well there it is, all right.
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So like I said, it's the Christmas seas we're kicking
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We're kicking off the Christmas season here on the Rattle
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and Broadcasting Network with a review of Scrooge, which I
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have a condensed intro here. This isn't gonna be a
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very long one. Scrooge from nineteen eighty eight is an
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American Christmas fantasy black comedy directed by Richard Donner of
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Superman fame and written by Mitch Galezer and Michael O'Donaghue.
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Inspired by Charles Dickinson's A Christmas Carol, it offers a
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metafictional modern retelling starring Bill Murray as Frank Cross, a
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cynical TV executive preparing a live broadcast for a Christmas
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Carol who is visited by ghosts on Christmas Eve. The
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supporting cast includes Karen Allen, John Forsyth, bobcat Goldway, Carol Cain,
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Robert Mitchum, Michael J. Pollard, and Alfrey Woodard produced on
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a thirty two million dollar budget in film in New
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York City and Hollywood from December of eighty seven to
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March of eighty eight. The film mark Murray's return after
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a four year hiatus following Ghostbusters. Production was turbulent due
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to creative classes between Murray and Donner, So the film
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featured numerous celebrity cameos, including Murray's brother. Marketed heavily around
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Murray's ghost themed persona, Screwged was released November twenty third,
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nineteen eighty eight, gross over one hundred million worldwide and
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earned an OSCAR for Best Nomination for nominated that and
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ye best nomination ever. The critics were mixed. It has
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since become a Christmas time staple, and it was often
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cited as an unconventional or ahead of its time holiday classic. Cattle.
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Start with you, then, Sean, and I'll tell you my
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experience with this movie. You uh, you would actually ask
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to be on here tonight, so you know, like we
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always do when it was the first time, But what
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were in first impressions, et cetera.
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Well, okay, so, oh gosh, I remember seeing this when
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I was little, little like four or five, because it
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was on HBO all the time right especially during Christmas time.
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So this has a special place in my heart. And
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it might be just be like, you know, my personal bias,
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biases for maybe nostalgia. But I love this movie. Up
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until about say two minutes ago, I had no idea
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that it was written or it was co written by
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Michael o'donahue from SNL. He was in the very first
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skit in SNL.
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Oh okay, cool ah.
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I love this movie. I make no apologe forward. It
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is probably my top five Christmas movies. It's probably the
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most conventional Christmas movie that are. It is in my
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top five to be honest with you, because the other
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ones are like Less than Zero and die Hard. But
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oh you you can I'm not like other girls.
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Yeah, I'm so much nicer to you than I am Alexis,
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So I don't want to make fun of you, but.
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Man, pick me you.
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Thanks Sean always with the hot tag.
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Okay, first of all, you know that I'm not above
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being made fun of.
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Okay, well no, when you earn it, I will, but
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thank you.
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But no, I love this movie. The cast is stack,
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the music is great in it, like, I can't think
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of a bad thing to say about it.
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Cool Sean just making a note here cats humiliation kink
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green light underline three times later.
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He's gotta find out if you're a naughty you're a
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nice kinky clauses never mind, not.
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A humiliation kink, although I had a humiliation curious wonderful.
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By the way, did I did I tell you? I
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think I may have mentioned to you offline, like like
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the text that Mick cornered me into doing a general
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kink discussion show.
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Yeah, you on my birthday.
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That's right, that's a happy birthday to you. You're welcome,
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thank you.
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Yeah.
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Yes. By the way, Kat, I feel like such a
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genuine heel that I didn't pause to wish you happy
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birthday on Monday. So happy birthday. Genuinely love you. You're
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one of the best things to have happened in my
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social life this past this past year.
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I really, oh, I love both of you. Thank you
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so much. You have no idea how much that means
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to my cold little black art.
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But yes, just just please take no offense that it
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had to be belated, because if there are three things
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I am absolutely abjectly, not truly horrible at remembering its names,
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faces and remembering to say happy birthday to people.
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It is perfectly fine. I do the same thing, although
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I think I said happy birthday. Never mind, you know what,
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unimportantly you.
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Got me a few days after It's okay, okay, cool scrooged. Yeah, yeah,
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I am back to talking about Bill Murray movies.
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Yeah, and like I remember people's birthdays like all it.
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It's one of my weird tics. But like, I'm also
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kind of lazy when it comes to texting people. But
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no for everybody listening or out there or you too,
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or does not matter. I turned forty on Monday. I'm
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filing that club.
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Yay.
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My needs have been screaming at me since I was.
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Oh, it only goes downhill from here.
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No, I'm aware.
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Is it the parthe I'm supposed to say something about Scrooged? Yeah, yes,
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sorry about that. Sorry about that. My first thought after
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seeing this movie for the first time in several years.
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And by the way, anytime this comes on at the
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holidays or somebody puts it on, I am more than
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happy to sit down and give this a good watch.
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It kind of falls into that same sort of category
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as oddly enough for me, the Frighteners in terms of
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having a few special effects and moments that they probably
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didn't mean to be quite as creepy as they did,
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but it really came off fucking well, especially since I
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of course grew up with Mickey's Christmas Carol as being
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my definitive version of a Christmas Carol. And this was
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before I had ever seen them up at Christmas Carol
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that came out a little bit later, so I hadn't
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glommed onto that quite yet. But you know, this kind
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of became my really kind of easier to digest. Like
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I've said before, spoon spoonful of sugar helps the heroin
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go down, take on a classic story. But the thing
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about this is this is one of those movies where
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I could especially see gen Z and Jen Alpha watching
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this and rolling their eyes.
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And give here you get. The eighties weren't really like
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that where they Yes, they were very very much so Bill.
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I love Bill Murray. Let's just get that straight off
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the jump. There is virtually nothing I will not I
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will not watch him in. Having said that, though, with
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what we kind of know about Bill Murray, Number one,
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number one right now. The man doesn't have to act
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very much to really kind of poor, kind of portray
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some great a prime USDA sleeves, and that just kind
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of fits perfectly because in this role he has to
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play an eighties cable executive, which is not that much
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of a downgrade from the OCP Board of Directors in RoboCop,
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which you know, I think, really, if you're going to up,
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if you're going to update a Christmas Carol, especially if
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you're going to do it in the eighties, I don't
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know if there's a much better parallel for Ebenezer Scrooge
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than fran than Francis Cross, the perpetually up his own ass,
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unhinged cable exec It's just it's almost too You don't
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even really need analogous names. I think is why this
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works so well is because you can carry this across
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with really absolute minimal allusions to the original and some
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fucking how it still fucking works.
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I had a cousin when I was growing up, My
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cousin Jen, she was infatuated with Bill Murray. She was
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about a year or two older than I was, and
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I remember that the bone. I have a handful of
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distinctive memories about Jen That's one of them that she
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was just in love with Bill Murray and this was
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like her face. I think this was like her favorite
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Christmas movie because he's in it. What I remember of
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the time that I grew up in nineteen eighty eight
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puts me at about twelve. I remember a lot of
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kids my age thought this was great because it was
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kind of the anti Christmas movie, if you know, if
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if the tendency to make Christmas movies is to make
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them a little to saccharin, you know, family friendly, because
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Christmas is a jolly family holiday. After all, It's not
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Halloween with the rest of you Pagans and Satan worshippers.
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This is a good old Christian holiday. There are not
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that many. There are not that many, you know, you
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know in the vein of Tim Burton kind of you know,
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kind of Christmas movies. And this is before a nightmare,
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before Christmas, so that hadn't happened.
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I ask you something, hang on.
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So so I of course saw it when it came out.
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I liked it just fine, but I I did not
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really like that kind of thing. I don't think I
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ever really have. I've sort of, you know, dalliances with
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it here or there, but for the most part, especially
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when it comes to Christmas stuff, I like the wholesome.
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I'm not wearing one tonight, but I have like two
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or three different Emma Otter's Jug Band Christmas shirts. That's
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my jam, the aforementioned Mickey's Christmas, Carol, Yogi's First Christmas.
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I'm probably the only person on earth that doesn't like Elf,
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but there are plenty of other really wholesome Christmas movies
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that I absolutely adored. Sean and I talked about the
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Santa Claus a couple of years back. That trilogy with
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I am doing so scrooged was okay. I understood why
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people liked it. It was not my favorite thing, but
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it is something I've wanted to talk about on here
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for a while because I do think I do think
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there's a good discussion to be had around it. What
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is your question, Sean?
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Okay, So, first of all, for those of you who
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are perhaps just now catching the show in recent years,
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early on, this is how sheltered my background was. At
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one point when Mark and I first started doing this show,
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Mark would reference emmett Otter's jug Band Christmas, and every
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single time I would swear up and down on every
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whole and eldritch book. I could get my grubby little
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gremlin myths on that that wasn't actually a thing. It
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just sounded like too ridiculous a title to be true.
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Lo and be fucking hold. Eventually I would learn, yes,
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that is actually a thing. Anyway, my question for you is,
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and this actually kind of relates to Christmas movies in general.
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We talk about them being saccharin, seeming out of touch,
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very samy. Do you think that's a little bit of
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a problem with a lot of Christmas movies that a
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lot of them are just kind of leaning into tradition
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and not really bothering to explore how modern day audiences
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who are going to be watching this very modern and
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current movie actually feel about Christmas and the holidays and
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celebrate them. Do you think maybe that's where the disconnect is.
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I can only answer you. I think if I'm understanding
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your question, we can open this up for general discussion
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and spend a few a few a few minutes on it.
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Did you happen to this is rhetorical? Did you happen
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to see Hot Frosty last year, because I did. I
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reviewed it Hot Frosty. It's wonderful movie. It was. It
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was legitimately in my top ten last year, which you know,
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many people questioned my sanity, but I assure you this
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was This took all of the joy and innocence of
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a Christmas movie and kind of gave it a a
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kind of naughty wink and a nudge. I loved it.
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It was one. I think it was well written. You know,
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it's it's you know, not the Showshank Redemption, but it's
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not supposed to be. It's about a It's about a
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fucking snowman that turns into a real It's Pinocchio. It's
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about a snowman who turns into a real boy with
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it with hot abs. What was that? Yeah, so you know,
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of the movie as basically a snowman that looks like
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a human and then not you know spoilers, he turns,
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you know, with love's first kiss. He turns into a
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real boy at the end. It's marvelous, simply wonderful. It's
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also powerable about dealing with cancer. So there's a lot.
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You know, there's a lot going on in this movie
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that I think people overlooked because it was the most
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silliest premise ever. And so I guess that's that's my
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best way of answering you is, you know, we now
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live in a world where hot Frosty lives next to
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violent night. You know, a story where Santa Claus is
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going into bars and beating the shit out of people,
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and you know, and is so you know, and is
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doing a diehard remember well. But but but.
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Here's the thing, is hear me out here though, think
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about a Christmas story. I think about that, and I
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think about growing up with Colin Comer, and Colin frequently
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remarking on every little nostalgic needle drop and reference and
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wink and about how he remembered all that growing up
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and everything. And you know, say what you will about
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about that Rivals, it's a wonderful life for most overplayed
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holiday classic you have, yes, yeah, but you have to
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admit it does capture the spirit of the season within
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a very specific nostalgic time. And not in and not
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in that phone in that phony ass Maga masturbates to
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it contrived. Norman Rockwell experience. I look forward to ignore
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to ignoring your comments that we've kind of been spoon fed.
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I can't think of too many Christmas movies that I've
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seen in a good long while that really kind of
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feel authentic to a how of especially a lot of people.
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Again in like gen Z or Jen Alpha, I kind
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of tend to feel about Christmas around me and how
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they tend to kind of celebrate it. It's all kind
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of very much feels like we're trying to force the
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same Hallmark or Great American family model into everything, despite
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the fact that you look at that kind of vision
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of the holidays now and it can't help but feel
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kind of anachronistic.
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I don't want to go off on a rant or
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take us on a too far of a tangent, So
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I'm going to say the following, and if Kat would
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like to respond to it, or Sean, if you want
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to quickly respond to it, you can, but then we
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got to move on, Okay. I think my issue with
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this entire conversation is, and I don't fault you for this, Sean,
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I think you've raised an interesting topic, but it it
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I try sometimes not you. The subject matter hits me
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in in the wrong in the wrong spot for the
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following reason. I have a real problem with the youth
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of today. And I find there from my limited experience,
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granted I'm one man, you know, only experiencing life through
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a very narrow set of eyes. Their wholesale rejection of
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most of the things that keep this culture together and
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a lack of a unified culture is doom. I think
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in general, I mean, I don't my niches. God knows,
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I'm you know, been a part of a few of them,
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and I and I accept the long tail. But when
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when I'm coming across in social media, so many positions
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that we need to, you know, throw out cultural unifiers.
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We need to, you know, we need to reject the
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things that culture together because they're bad, or they're problematic,
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or they're toxic, or they're whatever. The buzzword of Twitter
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today is. I find that to be reprehensible. Quite frankly,
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I think it's really short sighted. I'm not saying every
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Christmas movie. In no way am I saying every Christmas
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movie should be you know, they should all be wholesome,
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they should all be in the spirit of the season.
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I reviewed Violent Night. I liked Violent Night. I liked
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Hot Frosty. I reviewed Hot Frosty. You know, if you
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want to make, you know, a Christmas terrifier movie by
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all means oh, you're not gonna You're not gonna upset me.
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But I think if I'm understanding where you're coming from
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and where where, a movie like Scrooged appeals to them
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because they already don't want to deal with some of
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the really strong pillars keeping up this culture. I would say, gosh,
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I wish they weren't so goddamn cynical. That's coming from me,
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the guy who who was told at sixteen he was
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too cynical. If you're well past me at such a
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young age, I weep for you. Cat.
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So okay, Oh, there's a lot to unpack here.
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So I am the old man of the mountains, and
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I don't want them painted old.
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Man yells at cloud. Okay. So I guess I'm just
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gonna begin with culture changes. It always done, you know,
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it always has, it always will since time, since time began.
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Culture evolves, it changes. And considering that channels like Lifetime
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in Hallmark and whatever, I'm probably dating myself because I
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haven't had over the air television or cable in well
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overrid decade. But I mean considering, Okay, let's say Hallmark
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as an example. So they have cornered and flooded the
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market with all of the with all of these Christmas movies.
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They're churning them out like one by one by one
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by one, and they all follow the same we're not
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the same basic formula, Like there are some variations on plot,
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but you know, basically, you watch a trailer, you watch
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the first ten minutes of it, You've already figured out
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act one, Act two, Act three, and then you can
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move on with your day. And the fact that, uh,
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at least so I feel like younger millennials gen Z
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and Janalfa were spoon fed this crap. You know, I
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am almost shocked. And anybody in the comments or if
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you guys wanna like chime in here is like I
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would be surprised if there was an elf on the
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shelf a movie right right, Like it's Christmas is a
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commodity in this country. It always has been, it always
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will be. It's the biggest shopping time of the year.
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It's when. Yeah, I mean, it has its own genre.
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So being a jaded adult that turned into or sorry
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being a jaded child that turned into a cynical adult,
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a misanthrope with hope.
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I really like I went and thro with hope open
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up for Metallica in nineteen eighty ninth an Athole Coliseum.
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Sweet, I was the big player. Now seeing something like
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Scrooge or Violent Night or Less than Zero or The
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Raf or die Hard or Grimlins or whatever like it.
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To me, those feel more true to life when it
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comes to the spirit of Christmas rather than like the
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Christmas buppy, the Christmas hacked, the Christmas Miracle, you know,
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blah blah. Like I really identify with, especially nowadays that
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I am now in my forties, I really identify with
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the cynicystem of Bill Murray. And I love how this
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is like one in a series of movies where he
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plays a slime ball that you know, like goes through
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a redemption arc. Yeah, like I dig that. But like
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I said, you know, to begin with, I just got
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off on a tangent. I need to get back on it.
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Okay, who.
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Culture change? I mean, like it's the reason why like
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we're not watching First of a Nation anymore or Triumph
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to Kill. I mean, those do have their places in
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art and in cinema, they're just get them away from me.
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I accept that. I think what you're picking up from
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me more than anything else is over the last little
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bit when I do when I talk to people, because
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you know, I'm a professional therapist, so I talk to
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people every day, and I asked, you know, and towards
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the end of the session, I'm trying to wrap things
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up and you know, get to my fifty three minutes,
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the mandated fifty three minutes. They never work for Medicare anyway,
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And so I'll ask them like, what are your plans
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for Christmas? And it's just a it's just a delusion.
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It's just a tirade of negative comments about, oh, I
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gotta get gifts of this when everything about Christmas is
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a pain, is a giant pain in the ass to people.
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And I hate that because I really, I really do
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love this holiday. But I don't look at it as
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a gift giving it a extravaganza. I know that's what
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it's turned into for a lot of people, and that's
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where a lot of the exhaustion's coming from. But also
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this has been dealt with a million times. Family Gui
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did an entire episode about two or three different episodes
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of Family Guy dealt with the materialism of Christmas.
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Who hasn't done an episode about the materials?
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Really, I don't buy into it anymore. Like Christmas is
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what you make it. If you make it a gift.
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If you do look my ex end laws did and
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make it a celebration of extravagance and excess, that's on you.
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You decided to make that. That's not Christmas demanding it
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of you. I last year I told my kids I
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don't want to give gifts. I ended up getting them
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a little something because I have learned since people enjoy
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the tactle experience of opening things. I don't understand that either,
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But I live in this world with people. So I said,
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I'm gonna take you guys on a trip. They asked
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to go to Disney. I took them to Disney. We
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had a model as time. This year, don't tell anyone,
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I'm taking them to New Orleans for spring. So they're
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getting like boxes of like stuff sweet Orland on it.
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Like I got my son of Saints Jersey and my
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daughter Repelican shirt. Right. So yeah, that's what I'm giving
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them Christmas present because I would rather do experiences than here,
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here's a babble, here's an item. Here, here's a piece
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of junk that you won't even open, you know, or
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you know will be outgrown in a year or two.
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I'm kind of over that. But for me, Christmas has
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always been about the sort of cultural elements of it,
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the music, the music, the movies, the decorations, the whole
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spirit of the thing, and then spending time with your family.
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If that's that doesn't appeal to you, I think that
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was more of what I was trying to say. If
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Christmas doesn't appeal to you and it's you know, and
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so you reject any culture coming out of Christmas, I
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feel like you've lost the plot. But also I don't
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want to minimize people's trauma may have pushed them in
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that direction. So you know, I'm gonna back off a
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little bit on that. But it is frustrating for me
485
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because I don't think I don't think a joyful holiday
486
00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:05.559
should be met with this much hostility. Jean, I'm gonna
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00:31:05.559 --> 00:31:07.680
give you less, like twenty words or less, and then
488
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:09.240
we're gonna actually get it discouraged.
489
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Okay, No, I think that I think that puts it
490
00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:15.480
really well and that is that I think we have
491
00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:21.240
a couple of younger generations that have not entirely accepted that. Look,
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00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:25.039
you guys don't have to just sit here and bitch
493
00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:29.640
about it. You have the best chance of any of
494
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:34.720
us to actually reclaim this and make it into something
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00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:37.759
positive that you want to. If you want to make
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00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:41.359
it a holiday centered on charitable giving instead of one
497
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:47.400
particular domination or faith system, please by all means do that.
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00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:50.920
If you want to make it about a time forgive,
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of forgiveness, togetherness, kind of laying down arms and trying
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00:31:57.680 --> 00:32:02.720
to come to peace with some people, I encourage that completely.
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00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:06.079
I know, coming for me, of all people, that's got
502
00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:08.680
to be a mouthful, But I mean I've had some
503
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:11.599
things happen that have kind of shook my belief system
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a little bit. Frankly, my family for years we have
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00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:19.279
talked about just kind of doing small gifts if we
506
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:22.319
want to, but for the most part, like do that
507
00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:25.720
on Christmas Eve, but then on Christmas Day it's all
508
00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:31.160
about Jammy's home cooked food, books, movies, and gaming together.
509
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:35.240
This year, I'm just happy with the fact that I
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00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:38.160
have an incredible wife who has spent ten years from
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me and never dream to leave in my side once
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I've got an amazing kid that's starting college in the
513
00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:46.640
next month and has a wonderful partner of their own.
514
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:53.720
I have in laws that I have really gotten to
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00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:56.960
know and understand well enough that they that legitimately I
516
00:32:56.960 --> 00:32:59.119
would take a bullet for any for any of them,
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00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:02.160
or right rather, i'd put all through somebody else any
518
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:07.680
for any of them. Nobody needs to get me anything,
519
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:09.599
but for those of you who are still holding on
520
00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:12.759
to that cynicism and here, I'm not gonna do shtick.
521
00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:16.160
I'm not gonna make jokes. I'm just gonna say it very,
522
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:22.240
very plainly. A lot of us live in a very
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00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:28.440
uncertain world where grow we're going through every day feeling afraid,
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00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:31.640
feeling isolated, feeling like we have to do certain things
525
00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:34.200
we don't want to just for the sake of not
526
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:39.640
pissing off the wrong people. For all of this is
527
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:42.680
also about the only four weeks of the year when
528
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:46.519
it is pretty much societally accepted that not everyone is
529
00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:49.039
gonna have their a game and that it's okay to
530
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:54.000
gradually whind down, if only for at least a little bit. However,
531
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:57.519
you want to take advantage of that all I ask
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of you. I'm not going to give you the peace
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00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:03.759
on earth, goodwill to men. Some people genuinely do not
534
00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:07.240
deserve it. I'm gonna flat out tell you that right now.
535
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:09.920
But as far as those of us who do love
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each other and accept each other and just kind of
537
00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:17.000
want to live together, please, by all means, if you
538
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:19.159
don't want to make it about gift giving, if you're
539
00:34:19.239 --> 00:34:21.920
up in arms about the religious tenets of it, just
540
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:25.079
make it about that. Just make it about all of
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us coming together so we can be happy and safe
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00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:31.639
for just a little bit, and just think about being
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thankful for that. It's not always about what you're against.
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Sometimes it's about what you are for. So please, by
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all means, whatever your weird tradition tradition may be, if
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you want to, if you want to have a fucking
547
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:52.719
salvia fueled orgy on your rooftop, please, by all means,
548
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:55.239
go ahead do it in the spirit of the season
549
00:34:55.320 --> 00:35:00.400
and have the coolest of yules. But take the time
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00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:02.760
and just find something to believe instead of something to
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00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:04.679
rail against, and give the finger to it only for
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00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:06.199
a little while. Well.
553
00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:11.360
That scrooged largely follows a Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens.
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In this particular case, Scrooge is not named Scrooge. He
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goes by Bill Murray's character's name. As as I mentioned
556
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:25.639
in the intro, he's playing a television executive, and you know,
557
00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:28.400
Christmas is about getting as many people to watch TV
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00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:32.199
as possible. It was so funny. I was watching this
559
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:34.679
with other kids, and I'm like, what a quaint story
560
00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:37.719
this is. It's very of its time, and his age
561
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:42.960
like milk in the sense of that what he's after,
562
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:46.079
his driving force, his motivation no longer really, I mean,
563
00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:50.079
it's been redefined. I shouldn't say it doesn't exist. We're
564
00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:52.599
about to see Jake Paul fight, you know, Anthony Joshua
565
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:55.760
tomorrow because you know, Netflix wants people to watch its
566
00:35:55.760 --> 00:35:59.960
streaming service for five hours on end. So the race
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00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:03.400
thing is still a thing. It just exists differently now.
568
00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:05.880
But I had to kind of explain to my kids,
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like what he was after and why he was after it,
570
00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:12.039
so they understood. But yeah, he wants so he wants
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to do a live Christmas Carol on his network so
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people will stay home and spend less time with their
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family and watch more television. That's what he's after, and
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00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:23.599
he's doing all the Scrooge things. He fires bobcat Goldway
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from the first scene he tells Alfred Woodard, never mind
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your child and his medical appointment, you must stay and work.
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As Alfred Wooded is the Bob Cratchett of this movie.
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And she has a son who witnessed her father being
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killed and he is now selectively mute and so he
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is tiny Tim Karen Allen plays the long lost girlfriend
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who is you know works with a charity, and throughout
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the movie she keeps trying to go back to Bill Murray,
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and Bill Murray keeps trying to go back to her
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and then subsequently screw it up until the very end,
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and like I said, beyond that, it more or less
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follows the the structure of a Christmas Carol. He is
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visited by Jacob Marley, who is you know, an old
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business partner who is stuck in limbo and is even
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in ghostly form. Is surrounded in chains and these are
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00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:24.639
to punish him for being a shithead in real life.
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And if you know, Bill Murray doesn't change his ways,
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he will end up in chains or worse. He he's
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00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:36.800
visited by the ghosts of Christmas Past, Christmas Present, Christmas Future.
594
00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:41.719
I just want to say about the the future elements.
595
00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:45.159
Seeing the kid in the rubber room still upsets me,
596
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:48.239
like even talking about it now, like I'm gonna like
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00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:51.280
fight back tears. That is a rough scene for me
598
00:37:51.320 --> 00:37:55.079
to watch Bill Murray in the casket going into the
599
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:59.440
going into the fire and him screaming like.
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This is traumatic shit.
601
00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:06.559
I was gonna say, any time Scrooge goes to Hell
602
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:09.519
and any any iteration of this, it's not pleasant to watch.
603
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:12.000
It's not meant to be. No, But I'll tell you
604
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:16.039
one of the things that made Scrooge Scrooge is the
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horror elements. I mean, this is kind of like a
606
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:21.239
Christmas horror comedy amalgamation, and for the most part it
607
00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:24.599
just stays in the comedy realm. But there are a
608
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couple of times the ghost of Christmas Past it was
609
00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:33.280
like a deformed elf cab driver that gets gross at times.
610
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And then, like I said, the stuff with the at
611
00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:38.800
the end, with you know, him going in the fire
612
00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:43.239
legitimately horrifying. Let me give my thoughts on the movie
613
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:44.840
and then I can turn it over to you guys.
614
00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:49.559
I still it's still okay. You know, watching it with
615
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:52.639
my kids, we all enjoyed it. It's a solidly made movie.
616
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:54.719
I mean, it's hard to fuck up a Christmas Carol.
617
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I think playing with I like the fact that what
618
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:06.800
this movie does is plays with illusion a lot. Like
619
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you know, when he's on the set during the Ghost
620
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:15.119
of Christmas Present bit, and like he's the set kind
621
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:17.719
of changes and he you know, and he's going different
622
00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:21.639
places and he doesn't know what's real anymore and what isn't.
623
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:25.639
Like there's a there's kind of a subplot that he's
624
00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:28.639
losing his mind that is probably gonna be replaced by
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00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:33.719
I can't remember the actor's name, but that's fun stuff. Yeah,
626
00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:38.760
John Forsyth, Yeah, that's all fun stuff. Bill Murray. I
627
00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:40.679
didn't realize that there had been a four year hiatus
628
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:43.239
between Ghostbusters and this, but I was telling him my kids.
629
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:46.440
My kids were asking me a lot of questions about
630
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:48.519
Bill Murray, and I was like, what he's doing in
631
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:50.360
this movie, this is kind of what he does for
632
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:52.599
a while. You'll start to do different things when he
633
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:55.239
when he starts doing Wes Anderson movies, but for them,
634
00:39:55.320 --> 00:40:00.920
for but for the early Yeah, but to Steve Wazoo,
635
00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:04.159
all that, But for the most part, the early Bill
636
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:07.679
Murray is you know Ghostbuster stripes this, it's kind of
637
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:11.920
doing the same stick he's he's kind of a per
638
00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:15.239
pervy asshole. That's kind of his character in every movie.
639
00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:18.159
And for some reason that was really appealing to my family.
640
00:40:18.199 --> 00:40:21.559
I don't know why, but people seem to love it.
641
00:40:21.639 --> 00:40:25.800
So is it my favorite Christmas movie? No, but I
642
00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:28.840
think it's well made. I think it's I think it's solid.
643
00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:33.639
I think the special effects in monster costume designs are
644
00:40:33.639 --> 00:40:37.679
pretty cool looking, and there are some legitimately heart wrenching scenes.
645
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:40.000
So your thoughts, kat So.
646
00:40:41.480 --> 00:40:44.320
I love how you brought up the horror elements because
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00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:49.239
there were a couple of scenes in this movie that
648
00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:55.599
genuinely scared and messed me up as a child. And
649
00:40:56.920 --> 00:41:02.480
right off the bat, it's his version of like the
650
00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:10.480
commercial that's going to be running throughout the season, Murder
651
00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:16.039
on the Freeway overjoke, like it looks like a clip
652
00:41:16.119 --> 00:41:18.400
from Fred's or something.
653
00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:20.280
The Guns.
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Yes, it's it's it's such. It's such stereotypical eighties scared tactics,
655
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like really like late eighties, early nineties, like really unique
656
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:34.320
to that time when this was very much like the
657
00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:36.960
kind of big, bad world they were trying to portray
658
00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:38.000
in Predator two.
659
00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:45.679
Right, or RoboCop or what you Know or what have you. So, yeah,
660
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:51.840
that part, the part with her son in the rubber
661
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:58.440
room like broke my heart, especially great alfre Wards character
662
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:03.239
coming to see him and she's like goodbye Calvin, and
663
00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:07.639
I'm just like ah. The part where oh god, I
664
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:10.039
cannot think of his name or the actor's name and
665
00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:13.119
it's gonna drive me nuts, where he finds him frozen
666
00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:13.559
to death.
667
00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:16.039
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
668
00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:17.039
That hurt.
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I wish this. I wish I lived in a time
670
00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:23.119
when this could go without saying. But I'm just going
671
00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:24.840
to throw it out there briefly and then throw it
672
00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:31.559
right back to Kat before anyone says a word. If
673
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:37.159
you are not a parent, as cliche as this is
674
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:41.000
going to sound, especially a parent who has been through
675
00:42:41.079 --> 00:42:47.599
a very specific set of circumstances, you don't have a
676
00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:56.320
fucking clue. Yeah, trust me, you don't what Mark said,
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what Kat just said, Yeah, CO sign with me, CO
678
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:03.320
sign it with me all the way. I didn't expect
679
00:43:03.320 --> 00:43:05.360
that to be the part that unnerved me most.
680
00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:15.400
Yeah, it I mean, because you see Grace trying to
681
00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:20.519
leave the office to take her son to the doctor.
682
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:27.039
You see her with Calvin, her son onto the set,
683
00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:30.360
and Frank is just yelling at this, like poor seven
684
00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:35.119
year old kid, Like he can't even fight back or cry.
685
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:41.639
His face doesn't even change. It's it's unnerving. So like,
686
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:47.920
even though he never speaks, he's a fully developed, fleshed
687
00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:52.719
out character, and to see him to be you know,
688
00:43:52.840 --> 00:44:01.519
I'm guessing probably maybe late teenager, young adult in the
689
00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:05.599
padded room and his knees are at a checked and
690
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:09.239
he's leaning against that wall and he's not talking. It's
691
00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:14.239
it breaks my heart. And there's I mean, there are
692
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:18.119
a couple of parts in this that didn't even touch
693
00:44:18.199 --> 00:44:21.679
me until I was a full fledged adult, like the
694
00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:26.880
part where the ghost of Christmas passed so with him
695
00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:32.480
his parents and him when he's little. And by the way,
696
00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:37.639
the father is Brian Doyle Murray, his older brother. I think,
697
00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:43.119
really I might have to like I may have to
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00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:47.000
verify that using Google fo or Alexa.
699
00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:49.280
But yeah, I knew familiar.
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00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:53.280
I didn't even realize this until probably a couple of
701
00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:56.280
years ago. Because he's wearing a hat you don't really
702
00:44:56.320 --> 00:45:01.280
see you know, like you see his face, he's in
703
00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:05.360
his uh I think it's a yeah uh yushanka. He's
704
00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:12.639
wearing the bloody apron because he's a butcher. And Frank
705
00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:16.760
is sitting on the floor and his mom is pregnant
706
00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:22.880
with with Frank's younger brother James and by the way,
707
00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:28.599
Joel Murray, his younger brother family affair. And she looks
708
00:45:28.639 --> 00:45:35.559
at him and she goes, she goes, Merry Christmas, Frankie
709
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Angel and for some reason, like now it is really
710
00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:44.079
Niagara falls Frankie Angel, I blubber just like he does
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00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:51.239
on screen, which leads me to believe that what happened,
712
00:45:52.679 --> 00:46:01.559
you know, like in the original Christmas Carol, that child
713
00:46:02.199 --> 00:46:10.559
or his mother dies in childbirth, m and that's his
714
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:14.840
you know, and that's his brother or sister or whatever.
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00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:20.960
So it's yeah, like it's it gets dark for me,
716
00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:25.480
especially having lost my mom right after Christmas, you know,
717
00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:31.639
almost twelve years ago. But like there are parts of
718
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:35.960
this movie that, like, now that I'm an adult and
719
00:46:36.039 --> 00:46:40.360
you know, I have you know, like I can read
720
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:43.360
between the lines whatever you want to call it, Like
721
00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:49.199
it hits those emotional it hits those emotional points for
722
00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:50.320
me that much harder.
723
00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:53.280
I want to piggyback on something that you said, and
724
00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:56.280
then we can toss it over to Sean. I have
725
00:46:56.400 --> 00:46:58.800
been talking a lot, both in therapy and on my
726
00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:02.800
TikTok about the generation that comes home from World War Two,
727
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:06.079
and we talked to them about, you know, the Greatest
728
00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:09.360
generation or the Silent generation, whichever name you like. These
729
00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:11.159
are the people that built the suburbs. You know, they
730
00:47:11.440 --> 00:47:13.519
came home and they built, They built the latter half
731
00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:16.960
of the twentieth century. But doesn't get talked about, probably enough,
732
00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:22.840
is the amount of alcoholism these people brought with them.
733
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:26.559
Oh yeah, the amount of trauma they came home with
734
00:47:26.840 --> 00:47:33.039
and I introduced into their families along with the aforementioned alcoholism.
735
00:47:33.119 --> 00:47:36.360
If I hear one more story about how you know
736
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:40.559
someone whose parents, whose parents is in their seventies or
737
00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:44.119
eighties right now, was a drinker, I mean, my god,
738
00:47:44.159 --> 00:47:45.800
if I had a nickel, I wouldn't be on this
739
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:48.400
podcast right now. I would be in the mouth eaves.
740
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:54.480
It's I can't. I'm not one of these people. I'm
741
00:47:54.519 --> 00:47:57.800
not one of these like moral absolutists where because of
742
00:47:57.880 --> 00:48:01.679
this we need to throw the baby out with the through,
743
00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:04.599
the baby out with the bath water. These people, you know,
744
00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:06.880
did an incredible thing and came home and continued to
745
00:48:06.920 --> 00:48:10.280
do incredible things. But some of them were drunks and
746
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:14.239
some of them were domestic domestic abuses. And you know,
747
00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:17.639
I think there's room in the conversation to hear both stories.
748
00:48:18.079 --> 00:48:20.039
And so when I looked at that scene, bringing it
749
00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:22.519
back to the movie, I was reminded of that, like
750
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:26.079
so many kids grew up with really shitty fathers, and
751
00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:30.119
contrary to popular opinion and research shows, a shitty father
752
00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:32.639
can really really screw up your life.
753
00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:40.440
I will say that. I will say that both of
754
00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:44.280
my biogranddads did fight in World War Two. Both of
755
00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:48.599
them were in the Pacific theater. Both of them had
756
00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:53.480
drinking problems, and both of them died fairly young. I
757
00:48:53.599 --> 00:49:01.360
lost my like before I was born. Uh. I know
758
00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:04.400
for a fact that my mom's dad, you know, he
759
00:49:04.519 --> 00:49:10.400
died at fifty in nineteen seventy and even though he was,
760
00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:17.920
in her opinion, an amazing father, everybody loved him, he
761
00:49:18.559 --> 00:49:23.800
was an alcoholic who came home with PTSD or at
762
00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:25.159
the time I believe it was called.
763
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:28.760
Combat shell shock common Marlins.
764
00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:30.159
Yeah, it was she.
765
00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:35.039
Combat fatigue in World War Two, it was operational exhaustion
766
00:49:36.239 --> 00:49:44.519
in uh Korea, and then it was post traumatic dress
767
00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:48.599
disorder in Vietnam and then you know, get shortened. But
768
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:56.480
according to her, you know, like he had PTSD. There
769
00:49:56.519 --> 00:50:02.000
were times when he would h when just out of nowhere,
770
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:04.360
he would just cry his eyes out and my mom
771
00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:08.440
didn't understand why, and she'd go, what's wrong, Daddy, And
772
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:10.320
he would just pick her up and go, It's just
773
00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:11.960
bad dreams, baby, It's just bad dreams.
774
00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:12.719
Right.
775
00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:15.719
And at the time, of course, there were I mean,
776
00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:19.400
I'm not saying that the VA is perfect. I'm not
777
00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:25.920
saying that their mental health options are are the best
778
00:50:26.079 --> 00:50:28.760
out there. I mean, you know, talk to any combat veteran.
779
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:35.800
They'll have, you know, opinions. Very experience is very but
780
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:40.000
I know, back in the day, there was nothing. Yeah,
781
00:50:40.519 --> 00:50:42.679
it was basically well why much drink about it.
782
00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:44.400
Like.
783
00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:49.840
Denied it ever happened exactly, and you know, and I
784
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:51.800
will tell you that, like.
785
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:59.039
On the other side of that card, my other grandpa,
786
00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:07.679
my dad's dad, was a piece of ship. Like he
787
00:51:08.119 --> 00:51:11.039
was a drunk who would abuse his wife and children.
788
00:51:11.079 --> 00:51:12.480
I mean, there was a reason why my aunt got
789
00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:14.280
married at sixteen to get out of that house.
790
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:17.119
No common story I've heard.
791
00:51:17.199 --> 00:51:22.239
Yeah, indeed, uh so, like yeah, a shitty father can
792
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:27.119
definitely mess people up. Yeah, and you see it, you know,
793
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:33.079
pretty much crystallized in like a little two minute scene
794
00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:37.880
between uh little Frank and his dad.
795
00:51:38.719 --> 00:51:42.559
Yep, him throwing the veal. It's so funny because I'm
796
00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:44.760
I'm gonna toss it over to Sean after I say this,
797
00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:48.039
But I am I should have become a judge like
798
00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:49.679
I miss, you know, like I'm a good I'm a
799
00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:51.679
good psychologist, But I would have I might have been
800
00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:54.480
a better judge because I have such a this strong
801
00:51:54.519 --> 00:51:57.719
sen's of fairness, so I can see both sides. You're
802
00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:00.360
this kid, You're an innocent kid. It doesn't stand what
803
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:02.559
his father's going through. A wise father's going through it,
804
00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:04.719
you know, but he knows, but he knows he's a child,
805
00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:06.559
and he knows he wants to train and that he's
806
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:08.079
been a good boy and Santa should bring him one.
807
00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:09.800
His father walks in the door and he was like
808
00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:13.960
trained now and he's atterly betrayed, and you know, and
809
00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:16.519
you can see that, you can see this the heartbreak
810
00:52:16.599 --> 00:52:20.159
and the cynicism fill the void oh, let's look at
811
00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:24.840
the father's point of view. And the father is whatever
812
00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:28.400
he's going through, came home with his package of veal.
813
00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:33.440
This is not cheap. Meet people is expensive. Back then,
814
00:52:33.559 --> 00:52:36.559
meal was very expensive. You were a rich family if
815
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:39.320
you had some. So he walks in, he walks in
816
00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:41.480
with the King's gold. Is what he did, and he
817
00:52:41.639 --> 00:52:45.519
tossed to the kids is ungrateful ship. This is pastard.
818
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:48.360
He throws it at He's like, look what daddy did.
819
00:52:48.639 --> 00:52:51.519
Daddy did that he provided and the kids like what
820
00:52:51.639 --> 00:52:52.679
I want to train.
821
00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:57.920
The veal though, like like if somebody dropped five pounds
822
00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:02.679
of veal at my feet on Christmas, I would be ecstatic.
823
00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:04.679
But I'm also an adult who loves to cook.
824
00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:09.679
I was gonna say yeah at five No, like.
825
00:53:11.199 --> 00:53:13.559
Like, who's a four year old gonna do with?
826
00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:17.480
Yeah, That's what I'm saying. Like the father, the father
827
00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:19.559
the benefit of the doubt. He legitimately thought he was
828
00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:22.519
doing the right thing, you know, I mean, whatever else
829
00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:25.119
informed it. And because something could be argue like come on,
830
00:53:25.400 --> 00:53:29.639
like you know what, what what adult gives a child meet?
831
00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:32.880
I don't know one that meets really important? This family
832
00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:33.760
family needs.
833
00:53:33.639 --> 00:53:36.920
Food, right, But I mean, did didn't you notice like
834
00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:39.760
his wife just gave up? She goes, I'm going up.
835
00:53:41.480 --> 00:53:44.360
Yeah, that was a broken family. Sean, What did you
836
00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:45.079
think of the movie.
837
00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:48.199
Scourge High protein, the gift that keeps on giving?
838
00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:50.639
That's what she said.
839
00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:55.639
In the In the think of everything that we've been
840
00:53:55.719 --> 00:54:03.679
talking about, Colin Comer, what was not an alcoholic? Colin
841
00:54:03.760 --> 00:54:10.440
Comer was the hyper conservative, kind of conflicted middle child
842
00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:14.199
of a World War two vet.
843
00:54:14.599 --> 00:54:17.000
I dinna say, he's a boomer, Well, yeah.
844
00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:20.920
Who was absolutely haunted by what he experienced over in
845
00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:24.280
Europe and was, as I would find out later, an
846
00:54:24.280 --> 00:54:32.000
abuse of alcoholic. So lots of angles from which I
847
00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:35.079
could think about this, but the main one is is
848
00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:39.639
that remembering what I do of the time when this
849
00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:44.519
movie came out, the entertainment status quo and the societal
850
00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:49.480
status quo was very much anyone who brought this stuff
851
00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:51.320
up and tried to make a case that this was
852
00:54:51.400 --> 00:54:54.119
a serious issue. Everything we've just been talking about, all
853
00:54:54.159 --> 00:54:57.159
the trauma and everything. If you brought that up, the
854
00:54:57.199 --> 00:55:01.119
status quo was to shout them down, mock them, make
855
00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:06.440
them a joke. But they are inferior, unworthy. What the
856
00:55:06.519 --> 00:55:11.639
fuck ever have you. And it's interesting to juxtapose that
857
00:55:11.840 --> 00:55:15.760
now at a time when, like I said before, we're
858
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:21.480
seeing the previous the two younger generations right now compared
859
00:55:21.519 --> 00:55:28.039
to ours, who are really trying their damnedest and making
860
00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:37.920
headway with my generation's help to really normalize these things
861
00:55:38.079 --> 00:55:42.400
as being things, you know, as being things that there
862
00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:46.920
is no shame in the fact that, yes, these interactions
863
00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:52.599
left scars and they never fully healed, and neither did
864
00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:58.639
the bruises, the broken bones, the memories, and it shaped
865
00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:05.719
to this day what we all expec from relationships strangers, family, friends, lovers,
866
00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:08.559
what have you. It's all shaped by the data we've
867
00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:11.199
gathered from every single interaction we've had. It's all a
868
00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:17.679
data point. Oh and oh sorry, go on, Oh go ahead, good.
869
00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:22.320
Oh. I was going to interject here just just for
870
00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:29.400
a second, but like, do you see Frank in spite
871
00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:34.840
of the you know, like how he grew up, he
872
00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:37.480
was still, I mean, at least in his early twenties,
873
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:44.000
he was still optimistic and loving and kind. And you
874
00:56:44.079 --> 00:56:46.840
see the interaction that he has with God.
875
00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:49.039
I want to give Sean he stands. I want you
876
00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:52.199
to finish, but we need to spend some time on
877
00:56:53.239 --> 00:56:57.159
that scene where their relationship blows up and he's in
878
00:56:57.280 --> 00:56:58.119
the mascot suit.
879
00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:03.079
Oh you Claire for Scruffy the Dog or whatever that.
880
00:57:03.480 --> 00:57:05.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I want to talk about that, So
881
00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:05.719
keep going.
882
00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:14.239
Actually okay, So yeah, like and it it was up
883
00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:20.800
until that that scene where you see you know, like
884
00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:27.920
Frank being loving and kind and optimistic and happy and honestly,
885
00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:32.840
I'm on Frank's side with this one because you see
886
00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:36.199
these people all the time. You you know, like you
887
00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:39.199
go up, you know, like you go over their house
888
00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:45.800
every Christmas for dinner or whatever. One year, one year,
889
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:50.360
can we please go out with my boss and whatever
890
00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:56.320
his girl Friday is just once, please support me in
891
00:57:56.480 --> 00:57:59.239
my career. Yeah, I'm I'm on this one.
892
00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:01.599
I'm going to back. I'm going to come back to that.
893
00:58:01.719 --> 00:58:04.440
I have a lot to say about that scene. Go ahead, Sewan.
894
00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:09.159
But I mean, and that's one thing that's kind of
895
00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:11.800
a nice change here is from what I do remember
896
00:58:11.960 --> 00:58:16.239
of a Christmas Carol, I don't remember as much of
897
00:58:16.360 --> 00:58:21.079
it coming back to Ebenezer Screw just compared to Francis
898
00:58:21.199 --> 00:58:26.480
Cross having been shaped quite so much by the familial
899
00:58:26.679 --> 00:58:32.679
trauma as just being someone whose priorities absolutely fell out,
900
00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:38.079
and he fell out and he lost his way. Yeah, exactly.
901
00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:44.639
This one kind of paints Francis horrible, horrible douche nozzle,
902
00:58:44.719 --> 00:58:48.320
though he is as being at least I object to
903
00:58:48.400 --> 00:58:53.039
your actions, but on a certain level, I at least
904
00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:57.280
know how you got here. And it's not entirely you
905
00:58:57.719 --> 00:59:01.760
just being a bad personson. You just had the worst
906
00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:06.199
frame of reference you could have possibly had for pretty
907
00:59:06.280 --> 00:59:09.239
much ever, for pretty much everything from the word go.
908
00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:15.960
But that being said, what I kind of liked about
909
00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:18.119
it most is the and after this I'll throw it
910
00:59:18.159 --> 00:59:23.280
over to Mark, is the fact that you know, grab
911
00:59:23.360 --> 00:59:25.159
your drinks if you got him, because it kind of
912
00:59:25.199 --> 00:59:32.840
passes as a wrestling reference, you know, for the for
913
00:59:32.960 --> 00:59:35.239
the face or heel turned to mean anything, you've got
914
00:59:35.320 --> 00:59:37.599
to go far enough in the opposite direction for it
915
00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:44.079
to have the right impact. You can't be Bill Murray
916
00:59:44.119 --> 00:59:48.199
can't afford to be shades of Gray here. He needs
917
00:59:48.320 --> 00:59:51.400
to be Peter Venkman with the volume turned up to
918
00:59:51.559 --> 00:59:54.960
eleven and the knob ripped off and shoved up the
919
00:59:55.039 --> 00:59:59.480
state puff marshmallow Man's ass. He needs to be absolutely
920
00:59:59.599 --> 01:00:05.719
deployed on every on every level, and I think it
921
01:00:06.159 --> 01:00:10.199
really really sinks in the teeth on that on that
922
01:00:10.480 --> 01:00:13.400
huge you know, of course we've all seen the story,
923
01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:16.079
seen it coming swing at the swing at the end there.
924
01:00:17.039 --> 01:00:20.639
Yeah, so that scene. I remember, I was saying that
925
01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:23.440
I have this really strong sense of fairness, and I
926
01:00:23.480 --> 01:00:26.360
can I have an even stronger sense of empathy. I
927
01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:30.360
can see both sides, you know, Bill Murray saying to
928
01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:32.639
her like, hey, you know, there are not a lot
929
01:00:32.679 --> 01:00:35.159
of opportunities for me to move up here. This is
930
01:00:35.199 --> 01:00:37.440
one of them. I would like to move up. Moving
931
01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:39.559
up as good for both of us. You need to
932
01:00:40.159 --> 01:00:42.280
so you need to be supportive here. I mean not
933
01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:45.320
saying it as eloquently as all that, but that was
934
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:50.679
what he was going for. And and Karen Allen's character
935
01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:56.760
just being you know, so like no, we we you know,
936
01:00:56.840 --> 01:00:59.480
we have the the Our friends are important, you know,
937
01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:02.480
career moving up in your career is not important. Our
938
01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:05.159
friends are important. It's like, man, if you don't have
939
01:01:05.239 --> 01:01:09.920
a shared value system or sense of priorities. But but again,
940
01:01:09.960 --> 01:01:11.559
I also do see it from her point of view
941
01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:18.559
of like do you I see it from her point
942
01:01:18.559 --> 01:01:19.800
of view. I don't need to explain it. What I
943
01:01:19.880 --> 01:01:22.559
really want to talk about, though, is how the movie,
944
01:01:23.559 --> 01:01:26.400
because of the because it's a ghost of Christmas past scene,
945
01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:30.199
and it's a thing that's supposed to, you know, inform
946
01:01:30.280 --> 01:01:33.119
you that he didn't make the right decisions going forward
947
01:01:33.119 --> 01:01:35.239
and that's how he ended up in this place. As
948
01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:37.639
Sean said, you have to do that so that in
949
01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:40.400
the end, when he's punished for all of his sins, yeah,
950
01:01:40.920 --> 01:01:44.800
you know, it's it's it's powerful. And if he don't understand,
951
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:47.079
if the stuff along the way is so light and
952
01:01:47.239 --> 01:01:49.840
dumb that you know, then then killing him in the
953
01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:53.559
casket and burning him is really overkilled. So I like,
954
01:01:53.599 --> 01:02:02.159
I get all, but it was funny. I the movie
955
01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:04.679
wants you to think that decision is a really bad one,
956
01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:08.920
except that I'm I don't agree with the movie, is
957
01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:12.199
what I'm trying to get at. I I don't think
958
01:02:12.320 --> 01:02:16.719
what he did there rose to the level of like when,
959
01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:19.800
just to give you an example, when Scrooge McDuck and
960
01:02:20.199 --> 01:02:24.440
it's a silly one, but gosh, nothing nothing breaks your
961
01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:26.280
heart like watching a sad Daisy Duck.
962
01:02:26.840 --> 01:02:31.400
When Daisy goes to Scrooger was like, hey, like I
963
01:02:31.480 --> 01:02:34.320
bought this car Itge for us to move into This
964
01:02:34.519 --> 01:02:36.199
is our wedding, this is this is for us to
965
01:02:36.280 --> 01:02:38.880
be married and live in and you know, and I
966
01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:41.519
know I've been laid on a few payments, but don't
967
01:02:41.559 --> 01:02:42.000
you love me?
968
01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:46.840
And this just like, yeah, I'm for closing get out. Well,
969
01:02:47.480 --> 01:02:52.119
she fucking just crumbles, like later on when they're kicking
970
01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:56.360
him into a lonely grave, you get it, like all right,
971
01:02:56.559 --> 01:03:01.639
I am, I am, And I understand him pleading with Karen, Like,
972
01:03:01.719 --> 01:03:03.400
for the love of God, I don't get a lot
973
01:03:03.440 --> 01:03:06.360
of up. I started out as the male boy. This
974
01:03:06.519 --> 01:03:08.480
is a chance for me to hob not with an
975
01:03:08.519 --> 01:03:11.920
executive and move up. Why aren't you Why don't you
976
01:03:12.119 --> 01:03:16.559
get that? God? No, Like God, I've kind of been
977
01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:18.880
him in that moment where it's like, why don't you
978
01:03:18.960 --> 01:03:20.440
see the sense of urgency here?
979
01:03:21.159 --> 01:03:26.880
Right? But yeah, like I feel the same way I'm
980
01:03:26.920 --> 01:03:29.880
on this, Like I've always started with Frank on this
981
01:03:30.599 --> 01:03:36.000
because it just makes more fitful sense. But and who
982
01:03:36.119 --> 01:03:41.280
knows if this was the only you know, like the
983
01:03:41.360 --> 01:03:44.599
only inch that he asked her to give, if that
984
01:03:44.719 --> 01:03:50.239
makes sense. But then again, like like these are characters
985
01:03:50.320 --> 01:03:52.440
in a movie, you know, like they're not real people.
986
01:03:53.320 --> 01:03:59.239
But I feel like in this instance, Yeah, go to
987
01:03:59.360 --> 01:04:03.119
dinner with his boss and you know whomever he chose
988
01:04:04.360 --> 01:04:07.000
to be on his arm for the night. Mm hmmm,
989
01:04:07.360 --> 01:04:11.239
because he's because the guy. I mean, you know you
990
01:04:11.480 --> 01:04:20.840
two meet him, uh like before this as a corpse
991
01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:23.239
or maybe a ghoul.
992
01:04:24.920 --> 01:04:26.880
Maybe it's one other thing I wanted to I wanted
993
01:04:26.920 --> 01:04:32.840
to talk about. So you raised it and it reminded me.
994
01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:36.079
Oh yeah, that's that to me is a little incongruent
995
01:04:36.119 --> 01:04:38.440
with the rest of the movie. The other scene that
996
01:04:38.559 --> 01:04:40.639
I kind of rit not enough that I'm that it's
997
01:04:40.679 --> 01:04:42.480
I'm gonna be super critical of the movie. It's just
998
01:04:42.559 --> 01:04:44.039
one of those where like it's a bit of a
999
01:04:44.119 --> 01:04:47.440
leap folks. You know, It's funny. I was talking about
1000
01:04:47.480 --> 01:04:52.199
this with Oh fuck Wicked, and I said, you know,
1001
01:04:52.280 --> 01:04:55.039
Wicked's doing a solo. You have to Everything has to
1002
01:04:55.159 --> 01:04:57.679
line up perfectly, or the next movie doesn't make any sense.
1003
01:04:57.760 --> 01:05:00.679
You know, Rogue one has to end with you know,
1004
01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:02.840
then you know how it ends. It has to end
1005
01:05:02.920 --> 01:05:06.800
with the fucking death Star plans going aboard the Karelian
1006
01:05:07.760 --> 01:05:08.480
Brilliant cruiser.
1007
01:05:09.320 --> 01:05:11.679
You know that we're gonna make it.
1008
01:05:12.239 --> 01:05:17.920
Yeah, they have to. They have to come up with
1009
01:05:18.039 --> 01:05:21.920
things in the future to convince Frank like, your actions
1010
01:05:21.960 --> 01:05:26.440
have consequences. Those consequences affected everyone around you. You you
1011
01:05:26.639 --> 01:05:30.280
being selfish, hurt everyone you came in contact with, and
1012
01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:37.480
that's why you're being punished, which including Karen Allen in
1013
01:05:37.639 --> 01:05:42.199
that makes sense. The way they included Karen all Lett
1014
01:05:42.199 --> 01:05:47.400
it like, Sean, you know, I'll see your wrestling reference
1015
01:05:47.440 --> 01:05:49.199
and raise you a very general one, you know how
1016
01:05:49.360 --> 01:05:51.480
like someone turns heel and you don't know why it
1017
01:05:51.519 --> 01:05:53.719
came out of fucking nowhere. Then they tell you what
1018
01:05:53.800 --> 01:05:56.320
the explanation is and you're just like why they made
1019
01:05:56.440 --> 01:05:58.960
notice that? Okay? The best one I can think of
1020
01:05:59.119 --> 01:06:06.280
Rakishi Rikishi running Stone Cold, Oh God, where you're like, no,
1021
01:06:06.400 --> 01:06:09.760
what buys this? Like it was such a dumb heel
1022
01:06:09.840 --> 01:06:14.320
turn his motivations made no sense. The He'll turn itself
1023
01:06:14.400 --> 01:06:16.960
made no sense. That's kind of how I feel about
1024
01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:19.679
Karen Allen's He'll Turn in this where it's like they
1025
01:06:19.760 --> 01:06:23.119
have a fight this whole time. Up to this point
1026
01:06:23.239 --> 01:06:26.000
in her life, for years on end, she has been
1027
01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:29.880
giving of herself and helping people, and they have this
1028
01:06:29.960 --> 01:06:31.719
whole thing where it's like, just give me a minute
1029
01:06:31.760 --> 01:06:34.440
to deal with this light bulb and I will and
1030
01:06:34.559 --> 01:06:36.440
I will come to lunch with you, and he's just like,
1031
01:06:36.599 --> 01:06:38.159
fuck you, and the hoist she rode in on I
1032
01:06:38.199 --> 01:06:41.079
have no patience for this sort of thing and off,
1033
01:06:41.519 --> 01:06:46.280
and that's enough to shake her resolve that that was
1034
01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:48.920
enough to make a go, you know what, fuck the poor.
1035
01:06:49.559 --> 01:06:51.400
And then and then when you see her in the future,
1036
01:06:51.480 --> 01:06:54.519
she's like, suddenly she's a fucking you know, she's a
1037
01:06:55.239 --> 01:06:59.800
Southern uh what do you call it? Yeah, it was
1038
01:06:59.840 --> 01:07:04.599
like when get all this money first of all, yeah,
1039
01:07:05.559 --> 01:07:09.360
like an antibellum fucking rich woman all of a sudden,
1040
01:07:09.679 --> 01:07:13.760
Like what I was like, all that was missing was
1041
01:07:13.840 --> 01:07:16.559
her in the rocky tier, going, it's good to have land, Like,
1042
01:07:16.679 --> 01:07:17.400
what are we doing?
1043
01:07:18.320 --> 01:07:21.559
We were just in Manhattan? When did we arrive in Tennessee?
1044
01:07:22.079 --> 01:07:25.000
Right? Why do you want to plantation in Alabama?
1045
01:07:25.119 --> 01:07:25.519
Anywhere?
1046
01:07:26.280 --> 01:07:28.840
But like, I don't think that was a micro dose.
1047
01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:34.719
Yeah, but it's like it's like all that really taught,
1048
01:07:34.880 --> 01:07:37.960
you know, at least some people. Oh, like all I
1049
01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:42.119
gotta do is be a massive selfish cunt.
1050
01:07:42.239 --> 01:07:47.840
And then I get like, like there's an argument to
1051
01:07:47.880 --> 01:07:50.159
be made that that's somewhat true, but not as quickly
1052
01:07:50.199 --> 01:07:53.119
as they do it in this movie. It's not that
1053
01:07:53.360 --> 01:07:54.199
far in the future.
1054
01:07:55.039 --> 01:07:55.719
No, it's not.
1055
01:07:56.880 --> 01:08:01.000
But somewhere a young Jeff Bezos is just going hang on,
1056
01:08:01.239 --> 01:08:04.639
slow down, slow down that last part. Give me that
1057
01:08:04.760 --> 01:08:05.559
last part again.
1058
01:08:05.840 --> 01:08:08.559
All right, right? Fuck they just do nothing, but nobody
1059
01:08:08.639 --> 01:08:10.039
keep it to keep it all for yourself?
1060
01:08:10.159 --> 01:08:10.480
Got it?
1061
01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:12.760
I have been making it for an online bookstore.
1062
01:08:14.320 --> 01:08:20.079
Oh god, man, if that's his origin story fields her,
1063
01:08:21.640 --> 01:08:22.800
I'm a flipping the table.
1064
01:08:23.239 --> 01:08:25.960
But uh, anyway, that's my point about that scene. That's
1065
01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:29.560
what I'm trying to say. What happened to break Karen
1066
01:08:29.640 --> 01:08:32.319
Allen isn't nearly enough to show to what they showed
1067
01:08:32.359 --> 01:08:33.840
in the future. That's my opening.
1068
01:08:34.960 --> 01:08:42.520
Nope, I means although I have used this quote recently,
1069
01:08:42.720 --> 01:08:46.439
scrip him off, Claire. You're gonna say if anybody saved
1070
01:08:46.479 --> 01:08:48.840
yourself like I have used this.
1071
01:08:50.640 --> 01:08:56.239
Quote, anything was a nineteen eighties professional wrestling heel line.
1072
01:08:56.880 --> 01:08:57.760
It is that.
1073
01:08:59.079 --> 01:09:05.640
Yeah, it's yeah, like it's giving, Yeah, it's giving. This
1074
01:09:05.840 --> 01:09:09.039
Champagne is burnt see me in a Dynasty reference again.
1075
01:09:09.359 --> 01:09:09.880
But uh.
1076
01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:20.640
Yeah, there must have been a series of I guess
1077
01:09:21.279 --> 01:09:22.159
fortunate events.
1078
01:09:22.319 --> 01:09:28.680
You know. Was she given stock advice? From Forrest Gump
1079
01:09:28.760 --> 01:09:29.960
and she invested in Apple.
1080
01:09:30.399 --> 01:09:34.520
God who knows. You know, it's like maybe she already
1081
01:09:34.600 --> 01:09:37.199
came from money, and no I'm not, you know, like, oh,
1082
01:09:37.239 --> 01:09:39.760
I'm not volunteering all my time and energy to this.
1083
01:09:40.319 --> 01:09:42.680
You know, we're making a big It's one of these
1084
01:09:42.720 --> 01:09:45.000
things where anyone watching this or that movie is like,
1085
01:09:45.079 --> 01:09:46.560
what are they making a big deal about? But I
1086
01:09:46.600 --> 01:09:48.439
actually think you raised a really good point there, Kat,
1087
01:09:49.000 --> 01:09:50.760
If you're going to do this thing where she's rich
1088
01:09:50.800 --> 01:09:55.880
in the end, maybe a line a conversation about, yeah,
1089
01:09:55.920 --> 01:09:58.520
I never really had to work because I come from money,
1090
01:09:58.640 --> 01:10:00.560
but I decided that being a good person is what
1091
01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:02.880
I want to be when I grow up, So I
1092
01:10:03.039 --> 01:10:05.880
spend because I don't have to work, I spend all
1093
01:10:05.960 --> 01:10:09.880
of my time volunteering. Great, we now we understand why
1094
01:10:09.960 --> 01:10:13.039
you're like where you are at the end, right. I think.
1095
01:10:14.640 --> 01:10:17.279
The lesson the movie is trying to teach, or at
1096
01:10:17.359 --> 01:10:21.880
least what they're trying to come across, is, yes, she's rich,
1097
01:10:22.000 --> 01:10:28.000
but she's bitchy and unhappy because like her lip quivers, Yeah,
1098
01:10:28.439 --> 01:10:29.920
here comes out of that eye.
1099
01:10:30.560 --> 01:10:33.760
She's wearing highly comfortable with where she is in like
1100
01:10:33.800 --> 01:10:36.359
despite the fact that she made a grown woman decision
1101
01:10:36.439 --> 01:10:38.000
to do that pretty much.
1102
01:10:38.279 --> 01:10:43.039
Yeah, exactly, it's like, oh she said me next, Like,
1103
01:10:46.319 --> 01:10:51.359
I mean, she's definitely better off than for Grace and Calvin.
1104
01:10:52.640 --> 01:10:58.239
Yeah, well, yes, all right. I think we've talked this enough. Sean.
1105
01:10:58.319 --> 01:11:01.319
Is there anything else about Scrooge? Any of the craft elements,
1106
01:11:01.399 --> 01:11:04.680
craft elements, craft elements that you want to you want
1107
01:11:04.680 --> 01:11:05.760
to speak on? Are you good?
1108
01:11:06.119 --> 01:11:06.720
My god?
1109
01:11:07.039 --> 01:11:10.960
It is worth it just to watch Carol Caine adorably
1110
01:11:11.279 --> 01:11:16.359
who Bill Murray's monkey ass up, Down and Sideways. I
1111
01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:19.680
could watch that on a loop for the rest of
1112
01:11:19.960 --> 01:11:23.359
my life and probably never stop laughing.
1113
01:11:24.159 --> 01:11:27.119
I wanted to be for Halloween so bad.
1114
01:11:28.520 --> 01:11:29.640
An amazing Carol.
1115
01:11:30.319 --> 01:11:33.159
I know you know what, I can still do it.
1116
01:11:33.600 --> 01:11:36.119
I could totally still do it. In fact, it would
1117
01:11:36.119 --> 01:11:38.560
make more sense now than at like six.
1118
01:11:38.920 --> 01:11:41.840
So I could see you having some fun with her
1119
01:11:42.000 --> 01:11:45.840
character from The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt.
1120
01:11:48.760 --> 01:11:52.720
Don't worry out of It called the Banana Boys.
1121
01:11:52.880 --> 01:11:53.079
Yeah.
1122
01:11:53.199 --> 01:11:59.199
No, I love Carol Caine, I love her and everything.
1123
01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:05.399
This is my favorite. Carol Kane so funny, she's so cute,
1124
01:12:05.920 --> 01:12:07.119
and she's so ruthless.
1125
01:12:08.720 --> 01:12:12.560
It's good stuff. There is one other thing I want
1126
01:12:12.560 --> 01:12:15.199
to Mary up now that you mentioned it. Bill Murray's
1127
01:12:17.319 --> 01:12:21.199
turn at the end, Yeah goes a little long.
1128
01:12:21.960 --> 01:12:22.359
Uh huh.
1129
01:12:23.319 --> 01:12:26.359
Yeah, that's a speech that needed to be cut down
1130
01:12:26.399 --> 01:12:28.960
by about three to five minutes.
1131
01:12:29.439 --> 01:12:33.079
We didn't need we didn't need him singing. Put we
1132
01:12:33.159 --> 01:12:35.039
didn't need him sing and put a little love in
1133
01:12:35.680 --> 01:12:39.239
your heart. It could have stopped with him kissing the
1134
01:12:39.399 --> 01:12:44.880
roquette Claire kissing him and then Calvin like Tegnestly to
1135
01:12:44.960 --> 01:12:49.680
say God bless us everyone. Also another part that Niagara
1136
01:12:49.720 --> 01:12:50.399
falls faking.
1137
01:12:51.279 --> 01:12:53.439
Yeah, I we all, we get it.
1138
01:12:53.800 --> 01:12:53.960
You know.
1139
01:12:54.159 --> 01:12:55.720
His whole thing at the end is turn off the
1140
01:12:55.760 --> 01:12:58.560
television and spend time with your family. Is the is
1141
01:12:58.600 --> 01:13:03.159
the message of this movie. I love that you needed
1142
01:13:03.199 --> 01:13:08.079
two minutes for it, not not the Gettysburger dress he
1143
01:13:08.159 --> 01:13:12.920
does at the end. Bye Jesus Christ. All right, Well,
1144
01:13:13.600 --> 01:13:16.159
now that I've started this podcast with a Lincoln reference,
1145
01:13:16.199 --> 01:13:18.279
I will now end it with a Lincoln reference. That
1146
01:13:18.479 --> 01:13:22.720
is our review of Scrooge. Merry Christmas. Everybody speaking but
1147
01:13:22.800 --> 01:13:26.279
the Christmas movies and their reviews continue. We will be
1148
01:13:26.359 --> 01:13:31.560
doing Merry Xmas. Oh watch Fun and the jingle Bell
1149
01:13:31.680 --> 01:13:34.920
Heist this Sunday, It'll be myself and Jesse, continuing our
1150
01:13:35.000 --> 01:13:40.640
tradition of reviewing at least three streaming Christmas movie new
1151
01:13:40.680 --> 01:13:44.520
streaming Christmas movies every year. Last year was boy. Last
1152
01:13:44.560 --> 01:13:46.880
year was quite a It was quite a treasure trove
1153
01:13:47.359 --> 01:13:50.199
of Christmas movies. There was the Merry Gentleman. Have you
1154
01:13:50.319 --> 01:13:54.319
heard of the Merry Gentleman? Cat? No picture it. No,
1155
01:13:55.000 --> 01:13:59.800
It's like a hall Mark. It's like a hall Pick three.
1156
01:14:00.079 --> 01:14:04.640
It's like a Hallmark Christmas movie that someone decided, you know,
1157
01:14:04.880 --> 01:14:07.279
I like Hallmark Christmas movies. But what if we made
1158
01:14:07.319 --> 01:14:11.800
a kind of cinemaxie. You can't do that, all right,
1159
01:14:12.000 --> 01:14:14.840
We're going to just point at it being CINEMAXI from
1160
01:14:14.920 --> 01:14:17.880
about one hundred yards picture at Sicily.
1161
01:14:20.640 --> 01:14:22.039
Lingerie squeaks me out.
1162
01:14:22.399 --> 01:14:25.720
A professional dancer loses her gig on Broadway, goes home
1163
01:14:25.800 --> 01:14:28.279
to sulk about it. Her parents own a bar. The
1164
01:14:28.359 --> 01:14:30.359
bar is not doing well. They haven't got the money
1165
01:14:30.399 --> 01:14:33.119
for the mortgage. On the phone, and so she was like,
1166
01:14:33.159 --> 01:14:35.279
but this bar is everything to me, even though I've
1167
01:14:35.319 --> 01:14:37.039
been away for all these years. I don't want you
1168
01:14:37.119 --> 01:14:38.960
to lose your bar. The parents like, we really don't care.
1169
01:14:39.000 --> 01:14:43.520
We'll go to ca yeah. She's like, no, no, I
1170
01:14:43.600 --> 01:14:45.640
will not let you lose this ball. This bar is
1171
01:14:45.680 --> 01:14:48.840
our family. So she's like, I'm gonna save it. Well,
1172
01:14:48.880 --> 01:14:52.159
how are you gonna do that? Hear me out? We
1173
01:14:52.319 --> 01:14:55.239
have hunky men in this small town. What if I
1174
01:14:55.279 --> 01:14:56.800
got up to dance with no shirt on?
1175
01:14:57.880 --> 01:15:00.439
Well, family doesn't get left behind.
1176
01:15:00.960 --> 01:15:04.239
And she says, and everyone says, oh perfect, and she's like, no, no, no,
1177
01:15:04.279 --> 01:15:05.039
what it'll be classy.
1178
01:15:07.920 --> 01:15:10.239
Note that going that that that was gonna go.
1179
01:15:10.840 --> 01:15:13.279
So she does an all male review with the honky
1180
01:15:13.359 --> 01:15:16.439
men in town in this and because the honky men
1181
01:15:16.520 --> 01:15:19.520
in town attract all the all all the horny wives
1182
01:15:19.560 --> 01:15:22.319
of the neighborhood, this bar gets saved with the money
1183
01:15:22.399 --> 01:15:25.319
that they that they earn. And there's of course a
1184
01:15:25.399 --> 01:15:27.760
love story between her and head honky Man.
1185
01:15:29.479 --> 01:15:32.840
Okay, So every time you say honky man or honky
1186
01:15:32.960 --> 01:15:37.760
man or whatever, I go back, not my honky boys.
1187
01:15:40.279 --> 01:15:42.199
I watched this with my children on Christmas Eve. I
1188
01:15:42.239 --> 01:15:44.359
want you to know that we did an alternative. We
1189
01:15:44.439 --> 01:15:47.399
did a commentary track for it. There was that, there
1190
01:15:47.439 --> 01:15:51.600
was hot frosty, there was the gosh the redhead that's
1191
01:15:51.640 --> 01:15:56.840
in mean girls, She's gotta deal with Netflix. Now Lindsay Lohan,
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whatever Christmas movie Lindsay Lohan did that year, and the
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Jack Black, Uh Santa movie where he's where he's he's Satan.
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But the kid, the kid's got to hear me out
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on this one. This is the premise. So the kid,
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he's got a bit of the dyslexia and all he
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wants for Christmas is his parents to get back together.
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So he writes, Dear Old Santa Claus, here's the problem.
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He's got the dyslexia. He wrote to Satan. And one
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of Satan's oh no, And so one of the Satan's
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lesser demons intercepts this letter and he was like, I
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will impress Satan by impersonating Santa, and I will go
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down and raise mischief. That's That's the whole fucking movie.
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So the roller coaster I just went on, man like
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Jack Black Christmas Movie. I said, God, I can't wait
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to not watch that. And then when you mentioned Satan,
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come on start are you kidding me?
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Now?
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Hold on, Dave, download on the Jack Black Satanic Christmas Movie.
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Wonderful. Do you like the name of the movie. I
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can look it up really quick.
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Date night is saved, was.
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I think he got his streaming service Paramo. If not
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watching it, it's on purpose.
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No.
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Now, I kind of want to see Satan save Christmas
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for this little boy.
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Uh, which one was it? Dear Santa, that's the name. Yeah.
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Last year's Christmas triple feature was Hot Frosty, Ah Frosty,
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our Little Secret and Dear Satan. This Dear Santa. This
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year it's the jingle bell heist. Oh, what fun? And
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I marry a little x mess as in like my
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ex girlfriend or boyfriend.
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Oh I thought that was the Christmas porno thing or
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in the Christmas Oh.
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That's the marriage gentlemen. All right, So here's what we
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did this past week. Speaking of Christmas. On the Metal
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Hammer of Doom. We talked to Trans Siberian Orchestra goes
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to Christmas Eve, and that is where Mick Trick means
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are doing a kink show because she told the story
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where she had a hot date at a dungeon and
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she did.
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Like seven thirty in the morning, Happy Birthday. How would
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you like.
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I get up early in the morning. And then on
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damn you Hollywood, we reviewed the new Frankenstein. Go watch it.
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It's on Netflix. It's the best movie of the year.
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Yeah about it?
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Yeah, yeah, let's put it this way. When Robert and
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I agree, When Robert and I both like something, go
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watch it. It's the best thing you're ever going to see.
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Monday is Avatar three, Fire and Ash. Hopefully after this
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they stopped making these and then that's really it for
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the week because it's Christmas Eve. So that's what we
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got going on here. The next time all of us
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will be together theoretically, well, the next triple fiature, I
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should say, it will be in January eighth, and that'll
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be myself and Sean and probably Cat. Where things are going.
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We'll be doing a John Hughes focus John Hughes, motherfucker.
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We'll be doing Weird Science, another movie that's been on
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my wishlings for a while.
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I am committed to this Polycule dude.
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Okay, I'm in.
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All you had to say was Weird Science, because I'm
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in Oingo Boingo fan, But uh yeah, I go. I'm
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I'm swear to go off.
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Diva, Weird Science, sixteen Candles and Ferris Bueller's Day Off.
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Ah Okay, okay, so the okay, so Weird Science, the
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somewhat making light of sexual Assault and Ferris Bueller.
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Yeah, Camon, wonderful man. I was adding you as you
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were talking, so that that'll be the next triple feature
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with the three of us. Sean, why don't you go
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ahead and do your plugs all right?
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Normally I would be on Twitch, dot tv, slash comer Codex,
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but that is more than likely going to be on
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a short hiatus until after New Year's I've got some
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things in motion that I'm trying to get in order,
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and I'll admit I just don't have the time for
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the next about week or two to really get back
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to it, but I'll have some things going under the hood, hopefully. Specifically,
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one of the things I'm going to be dedicating a
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little more time to is a project for the Rodalicchen
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Broadcasting Network that I don't really want to unveil quite yet.
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It doesn't have a date, but it will be happening
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sometime in late January early February. And uh, I have
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to not only rewatch a series on Disney Plus, but
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for one for probably the first time, and all the
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time I've been doing podcasts, I have actually got a
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couple of books that I am reading for a review.
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So this will be fun. I did not have this
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on my bingo card for the end of the year.
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But the more I think about it and everything's surrounding it,
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the more optimistic I feel lately.
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So all right, kat take me home, baby doll.
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Ah. So I'm really bad at social media. However, I
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do have a movie on drum and now called Christmas Chaos.
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Oh yeah, real quick, what is your husband, your very partner,
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and your partner and your friend? After the show? What
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did they think of the the interview?
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Oh, they thought it was great. I thought it was great.
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They you know, I mean, we all had a lot
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of fun. They really liked you guys. It said you
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were really nice. Oh yeah, I will say that. I
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got all from Dorian Price like an hour or so
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after the fact, and he goes, okay, two things. And
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you know, I love na death shout out to Dorian,
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but always takes him like thirty years to get to
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a point. So and he will be the first person
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to admit this. So first of all, he said that, uh,
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you messaged him like with a glowing review of me.
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You know, she's such an asset, She's great, blah blah,
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And I'm just like, ah, tear, like I actually teared up,
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and then he proceeded to tell me like something that
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like he preevitably apologized for something that no one even
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knew about.
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He Okay, that's very Dorian.
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Yeah, he apparently messaged you, you know, or you apparently
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messaged him about reviewing Christmas Chaos, and he said, oh
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my god, she got you know, she made you watch
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Christmas Chaos, and like, I don't even really know about it.
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So it's like, why are you apologizing for something that
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nobody in the room needed to know? This could have
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been a text, this could have been an email, or
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it could have been nothing, like, oh, I'm sorry I
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made an inoffensive joke. Okay, but so yeah, okay, I'm sorry.
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I got off on a tangent again. Like I said,
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I have a Christmas movie on Truman Now called and
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called Christmas Chaos, written and directed by my wonderful partner
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Nicholas how Howard, and and edited, scored, and god knows
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what else he did on this. Michael Tribuano, it's on
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Trump and Now, which is four to nine per month,
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but the first.
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Month's for you guys, all right, thank you, Merry Christmas, everybody,
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Thank you for joining us here on on trial. Court
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is now in recess for Sean, for Cat, I need
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the Seahawks to throw two touchdowns for God's sake. Stop
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falling apart, be well, be safe, and bea
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The following may contain offensive language, adult humor, and or
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content that some viewers may find offensive. The views and
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opinions expressed by anyone speaker does not explicitly or necessarily
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reflect or represent those of Mark Ratlage or W two
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Welcome to the Child.
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Of Your.
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Child.
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All Rise Court is now in session. The Honorable Ghost
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of Christmas Future is presiding. Ladies and gentlemen. Hey, this
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is a gaggle of roaming cats. This is on Trial
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m podcasts where we debate the merits of your favorite
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pocket is screwged. I'm your host, the mandate reporter, mister
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Mark Radleedge and down there is Uh, she's gone now
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and she's back a hi. Joining us once again. Is
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that bitch hit me with a toaster? What do you say,
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miss toaster?
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It's literally the only line I could come up with
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on the fly.
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And of course, joining us again, as he's for most
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on trials. Over the course of this podcast, he's shown
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you're not how do you do mister.
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Like my life depends on it. I was gonna say,
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damnest thing. I was looking at the title card when
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we were spawning in, which is funny because I'm so
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used to us having a quick little backstage before you
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press the button, and one second of sitting there texting,
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and then all of a sudden, I hear the disclaimer
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and like, oh shit. I was looking at the title
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card and I realized, neither of those figures really represents you. Mark.
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The one on the right looks more like me on
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the rare occasions when I'm clean shaven. In fact, it's
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damn near a spitting image my compliments.
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And the one on the left just.
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Kind of looks like me with my hair about how
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it's normally styled and with the beard.
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So that's the first time you're seeing the title card
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that it's been that long since you've done it on trial.
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I've not done it on trial in in a minute.
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Yeah you did? You did what one with me with
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the running man?
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Then I then I just must not have noticed, because
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I think during that one, during the credit sequence, I
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might have been fuxing with something in my immediate area,
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probably like my my mic or something. What was that?
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All right?
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I said, ding marijuana fects the memory, So go back.
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She says, you fucked up on Marrow on the you
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know on the Happy Grass. Listen to me, I will
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tell you the origins of that title card. So we,
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uh about a year or so ago, uh got dinged
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for copyright for using the night Court theme. We were
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in this was remember that. Yeah, this was the early
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stages of Jesse and I doing the Sessions podcast. So
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we were already like redoing a lot of themes. And
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actually I think this was like the third episode of Sessions.
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I told Jesse, I'm like, hey, we have to bump
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some of the other ideas we had. I have to
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redo them. I have to redo the on Trial theme.
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So we did, which is why you have that new
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sex as as Dorian Price put it, the theme that
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tries to have sex with you at every show because.
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You try that hard.
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Your own trial.
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That theme, I would I would think the three of
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us could go sharees these with that theme.
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I'm all up for group sex all the time. Listen
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to me. The point that I'm trying to make is
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I asked chat GPT to make me a title card,
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and I said, and it's like, what what do you need.
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I'm like, well, On Trial is the podcast where uh
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we debate the merits of your favorite movies Lincoln Douglas style,
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and it glombed onto Abraham Lincoln versus uh Douglas hard.
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So that's what that is. That is it? That is
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Abraham Lincoln and Douglas at a debate reviewing movies.
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Well there it is, all right.
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So like I said, it's the Christmas seas we're kicking
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We're kicking off the Christmas season here on the Rattle
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and Broadcasting Network with a review of Scrooge, which I
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have a condensed intro here. This isn't gonna be a
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very long one. Scrooge from nineteen eighty eight is an
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American Christmas fantasy black comedy directed by Richard Donner of
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Superman fame and written by Mitch Galezer and Michael O'Donaghue.
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Inspired by Charles Dickinson's A Christmas Carol, it offers a
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metafictional modern retelling starring Bill Murray as Frank Cross, a
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cynical TV executive preparing a live broadcast for a Christmas
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Carol who is visited by ghosts on Christmas Eve. The
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supporting cast includes Karen Allen, John Forsyth, bobcat Goldway, Carol Cain,
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Robert Mitchum, Michael J. Pollard, and Alfrey Woodard produced on
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a thirty two million dollar budget in film in New
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York City and Hollywood from December of eighty seven to
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March of eighty eight. The film mark Murray's return after
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a four year hiatus following Ghostbusters. Production was turbulent due
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to creative classes between Murray and Donner, So the film
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featured numerous celebrity cameos, including Murray's brother. Marketed heavily around
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Murray's ghost themed persona, Screwged was released November twenty third,
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nineteen eighty eight, gross over one hundred million worldwide and
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earned an OSCAR for Best Nomination for nominated that and
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ye best nomination ever. The critics were mixed. It has
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since become a Christmas time staple, and it was often
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cited as an unconventional or ahead of its time holiday classic. Cattle.
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Start with you, then, Sean, and I'll tell you my
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experience with this movie. You uh, you would actually ask
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to be on here tonight, so you know, like we
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always do when it was the first time, But what
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were in first impressions, et cetera.
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Well, okay, so, oh gosh, I remember seeing this when
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I was little, little like four or five, because it
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was on HBO all the time right especially during Christmas time.
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So this has a special place in my heart. And
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it might be just be like, you know, my personal bias,
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biases for maybe nostalgia. But I love this movie. Up
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until about say two minutes ago, I had no idea
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that it was written or it was co written by
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Michael o'donahue from SNL. He was in the very first
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skit in SNL.
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Oh okay, cool ah.
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I love this movie. I make no apologe forward. It
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is probably my top five Christmas movies. It's probably the
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most conventional Christmas movie that are. It is in my
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top five to be honest with you, because the other
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ones are like Less than Zero and die Hard. But
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oh you you can I'm not like other girls.
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Yeah, I'm so much nicer to you than I am Alexis,
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So I don't want to make fun of you, but.
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Man, pick me you.
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Thanks Sean always with the hot tag.
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Okay, first of all, you know that I'm not above
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being made fun of.
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Okay, well no, when you earn it, I will, but
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thank you.
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But no, I love this movie. The cast is stack,
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the music is great in it, like, I can't think
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of a bad thing to say about it.
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Cool Sean just making a note here cats humiliation kink
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green light underline three times later.
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He's gotta find out if you're a naughty you're a
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nice kinky clauses never mind, not.
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A humiliation kink, although I had a humiliation curious wonderful.
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By the way, did I did I tell you? I
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think I may have mentioned to you offline, like like
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the text that Mick cornered me into doing a general
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kink discussion show.
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Yeah, you on my birthday.
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That's right, that's a happy birthday to you. You're welcome,
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thank you.
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Yes. By the way, Kat, I feel like such a
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genuine heel that I didn't pause to wish you happy
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birthday on Monday. So happy birthday. Genuinely love you. You're
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one of the best things to have happened in my
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social life this past this past year.
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I really, oh, I love both of you. Thank you
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so much. You have no idea how much that means
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to my cold little black art.
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But yes, just just please take no offense that it
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had to be belated, because if there are three things
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I am absolutely abjectly, not truly horrible at remembering its names,
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faces and remembering to say happy birthday to people.
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It is perfectly fine. I do the same thing, although
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I think I said happy birthday. Never mind, you know what,
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unimportantly you.
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Got me a few days after It's okay, okay, cool scrooged. Yeah, yeah,
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I am back to talking about Bill Murray movies.
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Yeah, and like I remember people's birthdays like all it.
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It's one of my weird tics. But like, I'm also
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kind of lazy when it comes to texting people. But
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no for everybody listening or out there or you too,
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or does not matter. I turned forty on Monday. I'm
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filing that club.
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Yay.
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My needs have been screaming at me since I was.
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Oh, it only goes downhill from here.
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No, I'm aware.
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Is it the parthe I'm supposed to say something about Scrooged? Yeah, yes,
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sorry about that. Sorry about that. My first thought after
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seeing this movie for the first time in several years.
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And by the way, anytime this comes on at the
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holidays or somebody puts it on, I am more than
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happy to sit down and give this a good watch.
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It kind of falls into that same sort of category
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as oddly enough for me, the Frighteners in terms of
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having a few special effects and moments that they probably
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didn't mean to be quite as creepy as they did,
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but it really came off fucking well, especially since I
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of course grew up with Mickey's Christmas Carol as being
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my definitive version of a Christmas Carol. And this was
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before I had ever seen them up at Christmas Carol
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that came out a little bit later, so I hadn't
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glommed onto that quite yet. But you know, this kind
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of became my really kind of easier to digest. Like
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I've said before, spoon spoonful of sugar helps the heroin
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go down, take on a classic story. But the thing
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about this is this is one of those movies where
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I could especially see gen Z and Jen Alpha watching
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this and rolling their eyes.
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And give here you get. The eighties weren't really like
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that where they Yes, they were very very much so Bill.
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I love Bill Murray. Let's just get that straight off
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the jump. There is virtually nothing I will not I
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will not watch him in. Having said that, though, with
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what we kind of know about Bill Murray, Number one,
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number one right now. The man doesn't have to act
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very much to really kind of poor, kind of portray
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some great a prime USDA sleeves, and that just kind
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of fits perfectly because in this role he has to
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play an eighties cable executive, which is not that much
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of a downgrade from the OCP Board of Directors in RoboCop,
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which you know, I think, really, if you're going to up,
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if you're going to update a Christmas Carol, especially if
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you're going to do it in the eighties, I don't
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know if there's a much better parallel for Ebenezer Scrooge
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than fran than Francis Cross, the perpetually up his own ass,
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unhinged cable exec It's just it's almost too You don't
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even really need analogous names. I think is why this
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works so well is because you can carry this across
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with really absolute minimal allusions to the original and some
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fucking how it still fucking works.
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I had a cousin when I was growing up, My
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cousin Jen, she was infatuated with Bill Murray. She was
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about a year or two older than I was, and
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I remember that the bone. I have a handful of
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distinctive memories about Jen That's one of them that she
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was just in love with Bill Murray and this was
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like her face. I think this was like her favorite
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Christmas movie because he's in it. What I remember of
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the time that I grew up in nineteen eighty eight
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puts me at about twelve. I remember a lot of
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kids my age thought this was great because it was
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kind of the anti Christmas movie, if you know, if
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if the tendency to make Christmas movies is to make
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them a little to saccharin, you know, family friendly, because
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Christmas is a jolly family holiday. After all, It's not
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Halloween with the rest of you Pagans and Satan worshippers.
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This is a good old Christian holiday. There are not
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that many. There are not that many, you know, you
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know in the vein of Tim Burton kind of you know,
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kind of Christmas movies. And this is before a nightmare,
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before Christmas, so that hadn't happened.
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I ask you something, hang on.
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So so I of course saw it when it came out.
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I liked it just fine, but I I did not
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really like that kind of thing. I don't think I
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ever really have. I've sort of, you know, dalliances with
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it here or there, but for the most part, especially
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when it comes to Christmas stuff, I like the wholesome.
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I'm not wearing one tonight, but I have like two
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or three different Emma Otter's Jug Band Christmas shirts. That's
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my jam, the aforementioned Mickey's Christmas, Carol, Yogi's First Christmas.
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I'm probably the only person on earth that doesn't like Elf,
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but there are plenty of other really wholesome Christmas movies
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that I absolutely adored. Sean and I talked about the
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Santa Claus a couple of years back. That trilogy with
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I am doing so scrooged was okay. I understood why
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people liked it. It was not my favorite thing, but
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it is something I've wanted to talk about on here
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for a while because I do think I do think
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there's a good discussion to be had around it. What
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is your question, Sean?
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Okay, So, first of all, for those of you who
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are perhaps just now catching the show in recent years,
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early on, this is how sheltered my background was. At
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one point when Mark and I first started doing this show,
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Mark would reference emmett Otter's jug Band Christmas, and every
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single time I would swear up and down on every
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whole and eldritch book. I could get my grubby little
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gremlin myths on that that wasn't actually a thing. It
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just sounded like too ridiculous a title to be true.
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Lo and be fucking hold. Eventually I would learn, yes,
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that is actually a thing. Anyway, my question for you is,
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and this actually kind of relates to Christmas movies in general.
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We talk about them being saccharin, seeming out of touch,
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very samy. Do you think that's a little bit of
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a problem with a lot of Christmas movies that a
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lot of them are just kind of leaning into tradition
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and not really bothering to explore how modern day audiences
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who are going to be watching this very modern and
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current movie actually feel about Christmas and the holidays and
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celebrate them. Do you think maybe that's where the disconnect is.
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I can only answer you. I think if I'm understanding
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your question, we can open this up for general discussion
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and spend a few a few a few minutes on it.
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Did you happen to this is rhetorical? Did you happen
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to see Hot Frosty last year, because I did. I
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reviewed it Hot Frosty. It's wonderful movie. It was. It
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was legitimately in my top ten last year, which you know,
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many people questioned my sanity, but I assure you this
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was This took all of the joy and innocence of
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a Christmas movie and kind of gave it a a
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kind of naughty wink and a nudge. I loved it.
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It was one. I think it was well written. You know,
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it's it's you know, not the Showshank Redemption, but it's
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not supposed to be. It's about a It's about a
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fucking snowman that turns into a real It's Pinocchio. It's
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about a snowman who turns into a real boy with
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it with hot abs. What was that? Yeah, so you know,
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of the movie as basically a snowman that looks like
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a human and then not you know spoilers, he turns,
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you know, with love's first kiss. He turns into a
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real boy at the end. It's marvelous, simply wonderful. It's
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also powerable about dealing with cancer. So there's a lot.
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that I think people overlooked because it was the most
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silliest premise ever. And so I guess that's that's my
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best way of answering you is, you know, we now
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live in a world where hot Frosty lives next to
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violent night. You know, a story where Santa Claus is
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going into bars and beating the shit out of people,
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and you know, and is so you know, and is
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doing a diehard remember well. But but but.
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Here's the thing, is hear me out here though, think
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about a Christmas story. I think about that, and I
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think about growing up with Colin Comer, and Colin frequently
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remarking on every little nostalgic needle drop and reference and
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wink and about how he remembered all that growing up
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and everything. And you know, say what you will about
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about that Rivals, it's a wonderful life for most overplayed
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holiday classic you have, yes, yeah, but you have to
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admit it does capture the spirit of the season within
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a very specific nostalgic time. And not in and not
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in that phone in that phony ass Maga masturbates to
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it contrived. Norman Rockwell experience. I look forward to ignore
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to ignoring your comments that we've kind of been spoon fed.
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I can't think of too many Christmas movies that I've
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seen in a good long while that really kind of
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feel authentic to a how of especially a lot of people.
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of tend to feel about Christmas around me and how
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they tend to kind of celebrate it. It's all kind
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of very much feels like we're trying to force the
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same Hallmark or Great American family model into everything, despite
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the fact that you look at that kind of vision
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of the holidays now and it can't help but feel
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kind of anachronistic.
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I don't want to go off on a rant or
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take us on a too far of a tangent, So
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I'm going to say the following, and if Kat would
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like to respond to it, or Sean, if you want
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to quickly respond to it, you can, but then we
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got to move on, Okay. I think my issue with
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this entire conversation is, and I don't fault you for this, Sean,
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I think you've raised an interesting topic, but it it
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I try sometimes not you. The subject matter hits me
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in in the wrong in the wrong spot for the
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following reason. I have a real problem with the youth
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of today. And I find there from my limited experience,
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granted I'm one man, you know, only experiencing life through
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a very narrow set of eyes. Their wholesale rejection of
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most of the things that keep this culture together and
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a lack of a unified culture is doom. I think
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in general, I mean, I don't my niches. God knows,
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I'm you know, been a part of a few of them,
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and I and I accept the long tail. But when
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when I'm coming across in social media, so many positions
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that we need to, you know, throw out cultural unifiers.
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We need to, you know, we need to reject the
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things that culture together because they're bad, or they're problematic,
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or they're toxic, or they're whatever. The buzzword of Twitter
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today is. I find that to be reprehensible. Quite frankly,
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I think it's really short sighted. I'm not saying every
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Christmas movie. In no way am I saying every Christmas
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movie should be you know, they should all be wholesome,
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they should all be in the spirit of the season.
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I reviewed Violent Night. I liked Violent Night. I liked
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Hot Frosty. I reviewed Hot Frosty. You know, if you
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want to make, you know, a Christmas terrifier movie by
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all means oh, you're not gonna You're not gonna upset me.
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But I think if I'm understanding where you're coming from
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and where where, a movie like Scrooged appeals to them
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because they already don't want to deal with some of
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the really strong pillars keeping up this culture. I would say, gosh,
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I wish they weren't so goddamn cynical. That's coming from me,
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the guy who who was told at sixteen he was
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too cynical. If you're well past me at such a
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young age, I weep for you. Cat.
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So okay, Oh, there's a lot to unpack here.
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So I am the old man of the mountains, and
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I don't want them painted old.
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Man yells at cloud. Okay. So I guess I'm just
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gonna begin with culture changes. It always done, you know,
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it always has, it always will since time, since time began.
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Culture evolves, it changes. And considering that channels like Lifetime
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in Hallmark and whatever, I'm probably dating myself because I
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haven't had over the air television or cable in well
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overrid decade. But I mean considering, Okay, let's say Hallmark
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as an example. So they have cornered and flooded the
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market with all of the with all of these Christmas movies.
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They're churning them out like one by one by one
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by one, and they all follow the same we're not
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the same basic formula, Like there are some variations on plot,
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but you know, basically, you watch a trailer, you watch
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the first ten minutes of it, You've already figured out
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act one, Act two, Act three, and then you can
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move on with your day. And the fact that, uh,
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at least so I feel like younger millennials gen Z
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and Janalfa were spoon fed this crap. You know, I
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am almost shocked. And anybody in the comments or if
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you guys wanna like chime in here is like I
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would be surprised if there was an elf on the
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shelf a movie right right, Like it's Christmas is a
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commodity in this country. It always has been, it always
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will be. It's the biggest shopping time of the year.
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It's when. Yeah, I mean, it has its own genre.
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So being a jaded adult that turned into or sorry
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being a jaded child that turned into a cynical adult,
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a misanthrope with hope.
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I really like I went and thro with hope open
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up for Metallica in nineteen eighty ninth an Athole Coliseum.
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Sweet, I was the big player. Now seeing something like
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Scrooge or Violent Night or Less than Zero or The
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Raf or die Hard or Grimlins or whatever like it.
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To me, those feel more true to life when it
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comes to the spirit of Christmas rather than like the
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Christmas buppy, the Christmas hacked, the Christmas Miracle, you know,
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blah blah. Like I really identify with, especially nowadays that
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I am now in my forties, I really identify with
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the cynicystem of Bill Murray. And I love how this
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is like one in a series of movies where he
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plays a slime ball that you know, like goes through
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a redemption arc. Yeah, like I dig that. But like
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I said, you know, to begin with, I just got
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off on a tangent. I need to get back on it.
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Okay, who.
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Culture change? I mean, like it's the reason why like
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we're not watching First of a Nation anymore or Triumph
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to Kill. I mean, those do have their places in
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art and in cinema, they're just get them away from me.
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I accept that. I think what you're picking up from
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me more than anything else is over the last little
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bit when I do when I talk to people, because
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you know, I'm a professional therapist, so I talk to
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people every day, and I asked, you know, and towards
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the end of the session, I'm trying to wrap things
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up and you know, get to my fifty three minutes,
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the mandated fifty three minutes. They never work for Medicare anyway,
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And so I'll ask them like, what are your plans
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for Christmas? And it's just a it's just a delusion.
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It's just a tirade of negative comments about, oh, I
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gotta get gifts of this when everything about Christmas is
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a pain, is a giant pain in the ass to people.
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And I hate that because I really, I really do
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love this holiday. But I don't look at it as
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a gift giving it a extravaganza. I know that's what
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it's turned into for a lot of people, and that's
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where a lot of the exhaustion's coming from. But also
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this has been dealt with a million times. Family Gui
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did an entire episode about two or three different episodes
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of Family Guy dealt with the materialism of Christmas.
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Who hasn't done an episode about the materials?
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Really, I don't buy into it anymore. Like Christmas is
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what you make it. If you make it a gift.
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If you do look my ex end laws did and
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make it a celebration of extravagance and excess, that's on you.
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You decided to make that. That's not Christmas demanding it
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of you. I last year I told my kids I
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don't want to give gifts. I ended up getting them
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a little something because I have learned since people enjoy
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the tactle experience of opening things. I don't understand that either,
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But I live in this world with people. So I said,
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I'm gonna take you guys on a trip. They asked
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to go to Disney. I took them to Disney. We
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had a model as time. This year, don't tell anyone,
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I'm taking them to New Orleans for spring. So they're
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getting like boxes of like stuff sweet Orland on it.
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Like I got my son of Saints Jersey and my
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daughter Repelican shirt. Right. So yeah, that's what I'm giving
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them Christmas present because I would rather do experiences than here,
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here's a babble, here's an item. Here, here's a piece
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of junk that you won't even open, you know, or
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you know will be outgrown in a year or two.
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I'm kind of over that. But for me, Christmas has
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always been about the sort of cultural elements of it,
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the music, the music, the movies, the decorations, the whole
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spirit of the thing, and then spending time with your family.
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If that's that doesn't appeal to you, I think that
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was more of what I was trying to say. If
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Christmas doesn't appeal to you and it's you know, and
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so you reject any culture coming out of Christmas, I
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feel like you've lost the plot. But also I don't
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want to minimize people's trauma may have pushed them in
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that direction. So you know, I'm gonna back off a
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little bit on that. But it is frustrating for me
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because I don't think I don't think a joyful holiday
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should be met with this much hostility. Jean, I'm gonna
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give you less, like twenty words or less, and then
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we're gonna actually get it discouraged.
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Okay, No, I think that I think that puts it
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really well and that is that I think we have
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a couple of younger generations that have not entirely accepted that. Look,
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you guys don't have to just sit here and bitch
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about it. You have the best chance of any of
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us to actually reclaim this and make it into something
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positive that you want to. If you want to make
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it a holiday centered on charitable giving instead of one
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particular domination or faith system, please by all means do that.
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If you want to make it about a time forgive,
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of forgiveness, togetherness, kind of laying down arms and trying
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to come to peace with some people, I encourage that completely.
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I know, coming for me, of all people, that's got
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to be a mouthful, But I mean I've had some
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things happen that have kind of shook my belief system
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a little bit. Frankly, my family for years we have
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talked about just kind of doing small gifts if we
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want to, but for the most part, like do that
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on Christmas Eve, but then on Christmas Day it's all
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about Jammy's home cooked food, books, movies, and gaming together.
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This year, I'm just happy with the fact that I
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have an incredible wife who has spent ten years from
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me and never dream to leave in my side once
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I've got an amazing kid that's starting college in the
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next month and has a wonderful partner of their own.
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I have in laws that I have really gotten to
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know and understand well enough that they that legitimately I
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would take a bullet for any for any of them,
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or right rather, i'd put all through somebody else any
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for any of them. Nobody needs to get me anything,
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but for those of you who are still holding on
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to that cynicism and here, I'm not gonna do shtick.
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I'm not gonna make jokes. I'm just gonna say it very,
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very plainly. A lot of us live in a very
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uncertain world where grow we're going through every day feeling afraid,
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feeling isolated, feeling like we have to do certain things
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we don't want to just for the sake of not
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pissing off the wrong people. For all of this is
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also about the only four weeks of the year when
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it is pretty much societally accepted that not everyone is
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gonna have their a game and that it's okay to
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gradually whind down, if only for at least a little bit. However,
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you want to take advantage of that all I ask
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of you. I'm not going to give you the peace
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on earth, goodwill to men. Some people genuinely do not
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deserve it. I'm gonna flat out tell you that right now.
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But as far as those of us who do love
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each other and accept each other and just kind of
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want to live together, please, by all means, if you
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don't want to make it about gift giving, if you're
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up in arms about the religious tenets of it, just
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make it about that. Just make it about all of
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us coming together so we can be happy and safe
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for just a little bit, and just think about being
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thankful for that. It's not always about what you're against.
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Sometimes it's about what you are for. So please, by
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all means, whatever your weird tradition tradition may be, if
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you want to, if you want to have a fucking
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salvia fueled orgy on your rooftop, please, by all means,
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go ahead do it in the spirit of the season
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and have the coolest of yules. But take the time
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and just find something to believe instead of something to
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rail against, and give the finger to it only for
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a little while. Well.
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That scrooged largely follows a Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens.
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In this particular case, Scrooge is not named Scrooge. He
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goes by Bill Murray's character's name. As as I mentioned
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in the intro, he's playing a television executive, and you know,
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Christmas is about getting as many people to watch TV
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as possible. It was so funny. I was watching this
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with other kids, and I'm like, what a quaint story
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this is. It's very of its time, and his age
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like milk in the sense of that what he's after,
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his driving force, his motivation no longer really, I mean,
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it's been redefined. I shouldn't say it doesn't exist. We're
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about to see Jake Paul fight, you know, Anthony Joshua
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tomorrow because you know, Netflix wants people to watch its
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streaming service for five hours on end. So the race
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thing is still a thing. It just exists differently now.
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But I had to kind of explain to my kids,
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like what he was after and why he was after it,
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so they understood. But yeah, he wants so he wants
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to do a live Christmas Carol on his network so
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people will stay home and spend less time with their
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family and watch more television. That's what he's after, and
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he's doing all the Scrooge things. He fires bobcat Goldway
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from the first scene he tells Alfred Woodard, never mind
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your child and his medical appointment, you must stay and work.
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As Alfred Wooded is the Bob Cratchett of this movie.
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And she has a son who witnessed her father being
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killed and he is now selectively mute and so he
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is tiny Tim Karen Allen plays the long lost girlfriend
581
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:53.599
who is you know works with a charity, and throughout
582
00:36:53.599 --> 00:36:56.719
the movie she keeps trying to go back to Bill Murray,
583
00:36:56.719 --> 00:36:58.800
and Bill Murray keeps trying to go back to her
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00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:01.199
and then subsequently screw it up until the very end,
585
00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:06.239
and like I said, beyond that, it more or less
586
00:37:06.440 --> 00:37:10.920
follows the the structure of a Christmas Carol. He is
587
00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:15.679
visited by Jacob Marley, who is you know, an old
588
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:19.440
business partner who is stuck in limbo and is even
589
00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:22.400
in ghostly form. Is surrounded in chains and these are
590
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:24.639
to punish him for being a shithead in real life.
591
00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:28.840
And if you know, Bill Murray doesn't change his ways,
592
00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:33.039
he will end up in chains or worse. He he's
593
00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:36.800
visited by the ghosts of Christmas Past, Christmas Present, Christmas Future.
594
00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:41.719
I just want to say about the the future elements.
595
00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:45.159
Seeing the kid in the rubber room still upsets me,
596
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:48.239
like even talking about it now, like I'm gonna like
597
00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:51.280
fight back tears. That is a rough scene for me
598
00:37:51.320 --> 00:37:55.079
to watch Bill Murray in the casket going into the
599
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:59.440
going into the fire and him screaming like.
600
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:01.880
This is traumatic shit.
601
00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:06.559
I was gonna say, any time Scrooge goes to Hell
602
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:09.519
and any any iteration of this, it's not pleasant to watch.
603
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:12.000
It's not meant to be. No, But I'll tell you
604
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:16.039
one of the things that made Scrooge Scrooge is the
605
00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:17.639
horror elements. I mean, this is kind of like a
606
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:21.239
Christmas horror comedy amalgamation, and for the most part it
607
00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:24.599
just stays in the comedy realm. But there are a
608
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:28.559
couple of times the ghost of Christmas Past it was
609
00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:33.280
like a deformed elf cab driver that gets gross at times.
610
00:38:33.880 --> 00:38:36.360
And then, like I said, the stuff with the at
611
00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:38.800
the end, with you know, him going in the fire
612
00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:43.239
legitimately horrifying. Let me give my thoughts on the movie
613
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:44.840
and then I can turn it over to you guys.
614
00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:49.559
I still it's still okay. You know, watching it with
615
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:52.639
my kids, we all enjoyed it. It's a solidly made movie.
616
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:54.719
I mean, it's hard to fuck up a Christmas Carol.
617
00:38:56.480 --> 00:39:01.400
I think playing with I like the fact that what
618
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:06.800
this movie does is plays with illusion a lot. Like
619
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:09.800
you know, when he's on the set during the Ghost
620
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:15.119
of Christmas Present bit, and like he's the set kind
621
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:17.719
of changes and he you know, and he's going different
622
00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:21.639
places and he doesn't know what's real anymore and what isn't.
623
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:25.639
Like there's a there's kind of a subplot that he's
624
00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:28.639
losing his mind that is probably gonna be replaced by
625
00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:33.719
I can't remember the actor's name, but that's fun stuff. Yeah,
626
00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:38.760
John Forsyth, Yeah, that's all fun stuff. Bill Murray. I
627
00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:40.679
didn't realize that there had been a four year hiatus
628
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:43.239
between Ghostbusters and this, but I was telling him my kids.
629
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:46.440
My kids were asking me a lot of questions about
630
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:48.519
Bill Murray, and I was like, what he's doing in
631
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:50.360
this movie, this is kind of what he does for
632
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:52.599
a while. You'll start to do different things when he
633
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:55.239
when he starts doing Wes Anderson movies, but for them,
634
00:39:55.320 --> 00:40:00.920
for but for the early Yeah, but to Steve Wazoo,
635
00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:04.159
all that, But for the most part, the early Bill
636
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:07.679
Murray is you know Ghostbuster stripes this, it's kind of
637
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:11.920
doing the same stick he's he's kind of a per
638
00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:15.239
pervy asshole. That's kind of his character in every movie.
639
00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:18.159
And for some reason that was really appealing to my family.
640
00:40:18.199 --> 00:40:21.559
I don't know why, but people seem to love it.
641
00:40:21.639 --> 00:40:25.800
So is it my favorite Christmas movie? No, but I
642
00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:28.840
think it's well made. I think it's I think it's solid.
643
00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:33.639
I think the special effects in monster costume designs are
644
00:40:33.639 --> 00:40:37.679
pretty cool looking, and there are some legitimately heart wrenching scenes.
645
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:40.000
So your thoughts, kat So.
646
00:40:41.480 --> 00:40:44.320
I love how you brought up the horror elements because
647
00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:49.239
there were a couple of scenes in this movie that
648
00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:55.599
genuinely scared and messed me up as a child. And
649
00:40:56.920 --> 00:41:02.480
right off the bat, it's his version of like the
650
00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:10.480
commercial that's going to be running throughout the season, Murder
651
00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:16.039
on the Freeway overjoke, like it looks like a clip
652
00:41:16.119 --> 00:41:18.400
from Fred's or something.
653
00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:20.280
The Guns.
654
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:27.639
Yes, it's it's it's such. It's such stereotypical eighties scared tactics,
655
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:31.440
like really like late eighties, early nineties, like really unique
656
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:34.320
to that time when this was very much like the
657
00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:36.960
kind of big, bad world they were trying to portray
658
00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:38.000
in Predator two.
659
00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:45.679
Right, or RoboCop or what you Know or what have you. So, yeah,
660
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:51.840
that part, the part with her son in the rubber
661
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:58.440
room like broke my heart, especially great alfre Wards character
662
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:03.239
coming to see him and she's like goodbye Calvin, and
663
00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:07.639
I'm just like ah. The part where oh god, I
664
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:10.039
cannot think of his name or the actor's name and
665
00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:13.119
it's gonna drive me nuts, where he finds him frozen
666
00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:13.559
to death.
667
00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:16.039
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
668
00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:17.039
That hurt.
669
00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:20.880
I wish this. I wish I lived in a time
670
00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:23.119
when this could go without saying. But I'm just going
671
00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:24.840
to throw it out there briefly and then throw it
672
00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:31.559
right back to Kat before anyone says a word. If
673
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:37.159
you are not a parent, as cliche as this is
674
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:41.000
going to sound, especially a parent who has been through
675
00:42:41.079 --> 00:42:47.599
a very specific set of circumstances, you don't have a
676
00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:56.320
fucking clue. Yeah, trust me, you don't what Mark said,
677
00:42:56.840 --> 00:43:00.400
what Kat just said, Yeah, CO sign with me, CO
678
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:03.320
sign it with me all the way. I didn't expect
679
00:43:03.320 --> 00:43:05.360
that to be the part that unnerved me most.
680
00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:15.400
Yeah, it I mean, because you see Grace trying to
681
00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:20.519
leave the office to take her son to the doctor.
682
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:27.039
You see her with Calvin, her son onto the set,
683
00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:30.360
and Frank is just yelling at this, like poor seven
684
00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:35.119
year old kid, Like he can't even fight back or cry.
685
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:41.639
His face doesn't even change. It's it's unnerving. So like,
686
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:47.920
even though he never speaks, he's a fully developed, fleshed
687
00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:52.719
out character, and to see him to be you know,
688
00:43:52.840 --> 00:44:01.519
I'm guessing probably maybe late teenager, young adult in the
689
00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:05.599
padded room and his knees are at a checked and
690
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:09.239
he's leaning against that wall and he's not talking. It's
691
00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:14.239
it breaks my heart. And there's I mean, there are
692
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:18.119
a couple of parts in this that didn't even touch
693
00:44:18.199 --> 00:44:21.679
me until I was a full fledged adult, like the
694
00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:26.880
part where the ghost of Christmas passed so with him
695
00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:32.480
his parents and him when he's little. And by the way,
696
00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:37.639
the father is Brian Doyle Murray, his older brother. I think,
697
00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:43.119
really I might have to like I may have to
698
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:47.000
verify that using Google fo or Alexa.
699
00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:49.280
But yeah, I knew familiar.
700
00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:53.280
I didn't even realize this until probably a couple of
701
00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:56.280
years ago. Because he's wearing a hat you don't really
702
00:44:56.320 --> 00:45:01.280
see you know, like you see his face, he's in
703
00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:05.360
his uh I think it's a yeah uh yushanka. He's
704
00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:12.639
wearing the bloody apron because he's a butcher. And Frank
705
00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:16.760
is sitting on the floor and his mom is pregnant
706
00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:22.880
with with Frank's younger brother James and by the way,
707
00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:28.599
Joel Murray, his younger brother family affair. And she looks
708
00:45:28.639 --> 00:45:35.559
at him and she goes, she goes, Merry Christmas, Frankie
709
00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:40.880
Angel and for some reason, like now it is really
710
00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:44.079
Niagara falls Frankie Angel, I blubber just like he does
711
00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:51.239
on screen, which leads me to believe that what happened,
712
00:45:52.679 --> 00:46:01.559
you know, like in the original Christmas Carol, that child
713
00:46:02.199 --> 00:46:10.559
or his mother dies in childbirth, m and that's his
714
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:14.840
you know, and that's his brother or sister or whatever.
715
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:20.960
So it's yeah, like it's it gets dark for me,
716
00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:25.480
especially having lost my mom right after Christmas, you know,
717
00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:31.639
almost twelve years ago. But like there are parts of
718
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:35.960
this movie that, like, now that I'm an adult and
719
00:46:36.039 --> 00:46:40.360
you know, I have you know, like I can read
720
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:43.360
between the lines whatever you want to call it, Like
721
00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:49.199
it hits those emotional it hits those emotional points for
722
00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:50.320
me that much harder.
723
00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:53.280
I want to piggyback on something that you said, and
724
00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:56.280
then we can toss it over to Sean. I have
725
00:46:56.400 --> 00:46:58.800
been talking a lot, both in therapy and on my
726
00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:02.800
TikTok about the generation that comes home from World War Two,
727
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:06.079
and we talked to them about, you know, the Greatest
728
00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:09.360
generation or the Silent generation, whichever name you like. These
729
00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:11.159
are the people that built the suburbs. You know, they
730
00:47:11.440 --> 00:47:13.519
came home and they built, They built the latter half
731
00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:16.960
of the twentieth century. But doesn't get talked about, probably enough,
732
00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:22.840
is the amount of alcoholism these people brought with them.
733
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:26.559
Oh yeah, the amount of trauma they came home with
734
00:47:26.840 --> 00:47:33.039
and I introduced into their families along with the aforementioned alcoholism.
735
00:47:33.119 --> 00:47:36.360
If I hear one more story about how you know
736
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:40.559
someone whose parents, whose parents is in their seventies or
737
00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:44.119
eighties right now, was a drinker, I mean, my god,
738
00:47:44.159 --> 00:47:45.800
if I had a nickel, I wouldn't be on this
739
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:48.400
podcast right now. I would be in the mouth eaves.
740
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:54.480
It's I can't. I'm not one of these people. I'm
741
00:47:54.519 --> 00:47:57.800
not one of these like moral absolutists where because of
742
00:47:57.880 --> 00:48:01.679
this we need to throw the baby out with the through,
743
00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:04.599
the baby out with the bath water. These people, you know,
744
00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:06.880
did an incredible thing and came home and continued to
745
00:48:06.920 --> 00:48:10.280
do incredible things. But some of them were drunks and
746
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:14.239
some of them were domestic domestic abuses. And you know,
747
00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:17.639
I think there's room in the conversation to hear both stories.
748
00:48:18.079 --> 00:48:20.039
And so when I looked at that scene, bringing it
749
00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:22.519
back to the movie, I was reminded of that, like
750
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:26.079
so many kids grew up with really shitty fathers, and
751
00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:30.119
contrary to popular opinion and research shows, a shitty father
752
00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:32.639
can really really screw up your life.
753
00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:40.440
I will say that. I will say that both of
754
00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:44.280
my biogranddads did fight in World War Two. Both of
755
00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:48.599
them were in the Pacific theater. Both of them had
756
00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:53.480
drinking problems, and both of them died fairly young. I
757
00:48:53.599 --> 00:49:01.360
lost my like before I was born. Uh. I know
758
00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:04.400
for a fact that my mom's dad, you know, he
759
00:49:04.519 --> 00:49:10.400
died at fifty in nineteen seventy and even though he was,
760
00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:17.920
in her opinion, an amazing father, everybody loved him, he
761
00:49:18.559 --> 00:49:23.800
was an alcoholic who came home with PTSD or at
762
00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:25.159
the time I believe it was called.
763
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:28.760
Combat shell shock common Marlins.
764
00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:30.159
Yeah, it was she.
765
00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:35.039
Combat fatigue in World War Two, it was operational exhaustion
766
00:49:36.239 --> 00:49:44.519
in uh Korea, and then it was post traumatic dress
767
00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:48.599
disorder in Vietnam and then you know, get shortened. But
768
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:56.480
according to her, you know, like he had PTSD. There
769
00:49:56.519 --> 00:50:02.000
were times when he would h when just out of nowhere,
770
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:04.360
he would just cry his eyes out and my mom
771
00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:08.440
didn't understand why, and she'd go, what's wrong, Daddy, And
772
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:10.320
he would just pick her up and go, It's just
773
00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:11.960
bad dreams, baby, It's just bad dreams.
774
00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:12.719
Right.
775
00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:15.719
And at the time, of course, there were I mean,
776
00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:19.400
I'm not saying that the VA is perfect. I'm not
777
00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:25.920
saying that their mental health options are are the best
778
00:50:26.079 --> 00:50:28.760
out there. I mean, you know, talk to any combat veteran.
779
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:35.800
They'll have, you know, opinions. Very experience is very but
780
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:40.000
I know, back in the day, there was nothing. Yeah,
781
00:50:40.519 --> 00:50:42.679
it was basically well why much drink about it.
782
00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:44.400
Like.
783
00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:49.840
Denied it ever happened exactly, and you know, and I
784
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:51.800
will tell you that, like.
785
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:59.039
On the other side of that card, my other grandpa,
786
00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:07.679
my dad's dad, was a piece of ship. Like he
787
00:51:08.119 --> 00:51:11.039
was a drunk who would abuse his wife and children.
788
00:51:11.079 --> 00:51:12.480
I mean, there was a reason why my aunt got
789
00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:14.280
married at sixteen to get out of that house.
790
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:17.119
No common story I've heard.
791
00:51:17.199 --> 00:51:22.239
Yeah, indeed, uh so, like yeah, a shitty father can
792
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:27.119
definitely mess people up. Yeah, and you see it, you know,
793
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:33.079
pretty much crystallized in like a little two minute scene
794
00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:37.880
between uh little Frank and his dad.
795
00:51:38.719 --> 00:51:42.559
Yep, him throwing the veal. It's so funny because I'm
796
00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:44.760
I'm gonna toss it over to Sean after I say this,
797
00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:48.039
But I am I should have become a judge like
798
00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:49.679
I miss, you know, like I'm a good I'm a
799
00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:51.679
good psychologist, But I would have I might have been
800
00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:54.480
a better judge because I have such a this strong
801
00:51:54.519 --> 00:51:57.719
sen's of fairness, so I can see both sides. You're
802
00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:00.360
this kid, You're an innocent kid. It doesn't stand what
803
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:02.559
his father's going through. A wise father's going through it,
804
00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:04.719
you know, but he knows, but he knows he's a child,
805
00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:06.559
and he knows he wants to train and that he's
806
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:08.079
been a good boy and Santa should bring him one.
807
00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:09.800
His father walks in the door and he was like
808
00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:13.960
trained now and he's atterly betrayed, and you know, and
809
00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:16.519
you can see that, you can see this the heartbreak
810
00:52:16.599 --> 00:52:20.159
and the cynicism fill the void oh, let's look at
811
00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:24.840
the father's point of view. And the father is whatever
812
00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:28.400
he's going through, came home with his package of veal.
813
00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:33.440
This is not cheap. Meet people is expensive. Back then,
814
00:52:33.559 --> 00:52:36.559
meal was very expensive. You were a rich family if
815
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:39.320
you had some. So he walks in, he walks in
816
00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:41.480
with the King's gold. Is what he did, and he
817
00:52:41.639 --> 00:52:45.519
tossed to the kids is ungrateful ship. This is pastard.
818
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:48.360
He throws it at He's like, look what daddy did.
819
00:52:48.639 --> 00:52:51.519
Daddy did that he provided and the kids like what
820
00:52:51.639 --> 00:52:52.679
I want to train.
821
00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:57.920
The veal though, like like if somebody dropped five pounds
822
00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:02.679
of veal at my feet on Christmas, I would be ecstatic.
823
00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:04.679
But I'm also an adult who loves to cook.
824
00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:09.679
I was gonna say yeah at five No, like.
825
00:53:11.199 --> 00:53:13.559
Like, who's a four year old gonna do with?
826
00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:17.480
Yeah, That's what I'm saying. Like the father, the father
827
00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:19.559
the benefit of the doubt. He legitimately thought he was
828
00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:22.519
doing the right thing, you know, I mean, whatever else
829
00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:25.119
informed it. And because something could be argue like come on,
830
00:53:25.400 --> 00:53:29.639
like you know what, what what adult gives a child meet?
831
00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:32.880
I don't know one that meets really important? This family
832
00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:33.760
family needs.
833
00:53:33.639 --> 00:53:36.920
Food, right, But I mean, did didn't you notice like
834
00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:39.760
his wife just gave up? She goes, I'm going up.
835
00:53:41.480 --> 00:53:44.360
Yeah, that was a broken family. Sean, What did you
836
00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:45.079
think of the movie.
837
00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:48.199
Scourge High protein, the gift that keeps on giving?
838
00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:50.639
That's what she said.
839
00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:55.639
In the In the think of everything that we've been
840
00:53:55.719 --> 00:54:03.679
talking about, Colin Comer, what was not an alcoholic? Colin
841
00:54:03.760 --> 00:54:10.440
Comer was the hyper conservative, kind of conflicted middle child
842
00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:14.199
of a World War two vet.
843
00:54:14.599 --> 00:54:17.000
I dinna say, he's a boomer, Well, yeah.
844
00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:20.920
Who was absolutely haunted by what he experienced over in
845
00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:24.280
Europe and was, as I would find out later, an
846
00:54:24.280 --> 00:54:32.000
abuse of alcoholic. So lots of angles from which I
847
00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:35.079
could think about this, but the main one is is
848
00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:39.639
that remembering what I do of the time when this
849
00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:44.519
movie came out, the entertainment status quo and the societal
850
00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:49.480
status quo was very much anyone who brought this stuff
851
00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:51.320
up and tried to make a case that this was
852
00:54:51.400 --> 00:54:54.119
a serious issue. Everything we've just been talking about, all
853
00:54:54.159 --> 00:54:57.159
the trauma and everything. If you brought that up, the
854
00:54:57.199 --> 00:55:01.119
status quo was to shout them down, mock them, make
855
00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:06.440
them a joke. But they are inferior, unworthy. What the
856
00:55:06.519 --> 00:55:11.639
fuck ever have you. And it's interesting to juxtapose that
857
00:55:11.840 --> 00:55:15.760
now at a time when, like I said before, we're
858
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:21.480
seeing the previous the two younger generations right now compared
859
00:55:21.519 --> 00:55:28.039
to ours, who are really trying their damnedest and making
860
00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:37.920
headway with my generation's help to really normalize these things
861
00:55:38.079 --> 00:55:42.400
as being things, you know, as being things that there
862
00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:46.920
is no shame in the fact that, yes, these interactions
863
00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:52.599
left scars and they never fully healed, and neither did
864
00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:58.639
the bruises, the broken bones, the memories, and it shaped
865
00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:05.719
to this day what we all expec from relationships strangers, family, friends, lovers,
866
00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:08.559
what have you. It's all shaped by the data we've
867
00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:11.199
gathered from every single interaction we've had. It's all a
868
00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:17.679
data point. Oh and oh sorry, go on, Oh go ahead, good.
869
00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:22.320
Oh. I was going to interject here just just for
870
00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:29.400
a second, but like, do you see Frank in spite
871
00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:34.840
of the you know, like how he grew up, he
872
00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:37.480
was still, I mean, at least in his early twenties,
873
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:44.000
he was still optimistic and loving and kind. And you
874
00:56:44.079 --> 00:56:46.840
see the interaction that he has with God.
875
00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:49.039
I want to give Sean he stands. I want you
876
00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:52.199
to finish, but we need to spend some time on
877
00:56:53.239 --> 00:56:57.159
that scene where their relationship blows up and he's in
878
00:56:57.280 --> 00:56:58.119
the mascot suit.
879
00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:03.079
Oh you Claire for Scruffy the Dog or whatever that.
880
00:57:03.480 --> 00:57:05.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I want to talk about that, So
881
00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:05.719
keep going.
882
00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:14.239
Actually okay, So yeah, like and it it was up
883
00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:20.800
until that that scene where you see you know, like
884
00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:27.920
Frank being loving and kind and optimistic and happy and honestly,
885
00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:32.840
I'm on Frank's side with this one because you see
886
00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:36.199
these people all the time. You you know, like you
887
00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:39.199
go up, you know, like you go over their house
888
00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:45.800
every Christmas for dinner or whatever. One year, one year,
889
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:50.360
can we please go out with my boss and whatever
890
00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:56.320
his girl Friday is just once, please support me in
891
00:57:56.480 --> 00:57:59.239
my career. Yeah, I'm I'm on this one.
892
00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:01.599
I'm going to back. I'm going to come back to that.
893
00:58:01.719 --> 00:58:04.440
I have a lot to say about that scene. Go ahead, Sewan.
894
00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:09.159
But I mean, and that's one thing that's kind of
895
00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:11.800
a nice change here is from what I do remember
896
00:58:11.960 --> 00:58:16.239
of a Christmas Carol, I don't remember as much of
897
00:58:16.360 --> 00:58:21.079
it coming back to Ebenezer Screw just compared to Francis
898
00:58:21.199 --> 00:58:26.480
Cross having been shaped quite so much by the familial
899
00:58:26.679 --> 00:58:32.679
trauma as just being someone whose priorities absolutely fell out,
900
00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:38.079
and he fell out and he lost his way. Yeah, exactly.
901
00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:44.639
This one kind of paints Francis horrible, horrible douche nozzle,
902
00:58:44.719 --> 00:58:48.320
though he is as being at least I object to
903
00:58:48.400 --> 00:58:53.039
your actions, but on a certain level, I at least
904
00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:57.280
know how you got here. And it's not entirely you
905
00:58:57.719 --> 00:59:01.760
just being a bad personson. You just had the worst
906
00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:06.199
frame of reference you could have possibly had for pretty
907
00:59:06.280 --> 00:59:09.239
much ever, for pretty much everything from the word go.
908
00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:15.960
But that being said, what I kind of liked about
909
00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:18.119
it most is the and after this I'll throw it
910
00:59:18.159 --> 00:59:23.280
over to Mark, is the fact that you know, grab
911
00:59:23.360 --> 00:59:25.159
your drinks if you got him, because it kind of
912
00:59:25.199 --> 00:59:32.840
passes as a wrestling reference, you know, for the for
913
00:59:32.960 --> 00:59:35.239
the face or heel turned to mean anything, you've got
914
00:59:35.320 --> 00:59:37.599
to go far enough in the opposite direction for it
915
00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:44.079
to have the right impact. You can't be Bill Murray
916
00:59:44.119 --> 00:59:48.199
can't afford to be shades of Gray here. He needs
917
00:59:48.320 --> 00:59:51.400
to be Peter Venkman with the volume turned up to
918
00:59:51.559 --> 00:59:54.960
eleven and the knob ripped off and shoved up the
919
00:59:55.039 --> 00:59:59.480
state puff marshmallow Man's ass. He needs to be absolutely
920
00:59:59.599 --> 01:00:05.719
deployed on every on every level, and I think it
921
01:00:06.159 --> 01:00:10.199
really really sinks in the teeth on that on that
922
01:00:10.480 --> 01:00:13.400
huge you know, of course we've all seen the story,
923
01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:16.079
seen it coming swing at the swing at the end there.
924
01:00:17.039 --> 01:00:20.639
Yeah, so that scene. I remember, I was saying that
925
01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:23.440
I have this really strong sense of fairness, and I
926
01:00:23.480 --> 01:00:26.360
can I have an even stronger sense of empathy. I
927
01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:30.360
can see both sides, you know, Bill Murray saying to
928
01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:32.639
her like, hey, you know, there are not a lot
929
01:00:32.679 --> 01:00:35.159
of opportunities for me to move up here. This is
930
01:00:35.199 --> 01:00:37.440
one of them. I would like to move up. Moving
931
01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:39.559
up as good for both of us. You need to
932
01:00:40.159 --> 01:00:42.280
so you need to be supportive here. I mean not
933
01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:45.320
saying it as eloquently as all that, but that was
934
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:50.679
what he was going for. And and Karen Allen's character
935
01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:56.760
just being you know, so like no, we we you know,
936
01:00:56.840 --> 01:00:59.480
we have the the Our friends are important, you know,
937
01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:02.480
career moving up in your career is not important. Our
938
01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:05.159
friends are important. It's like, man, if you don't have
939
01:01:05.239 --> 01:01:09.920
a shared value system or sense of priorities. But but again,
940
01:01:09.960 --> 01:01:11.559
I also do see it from her point of view
941
01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:18.559
of like do you I see it from her point
942
01:01:18.559 --> 01:01:19.800
of view. I don't need to explain it. What I
943
01:01:19.880 --> 01:01:22.559
really want to talk about, though, is how the movie,
944
01:01:23.559 --> 01:01:26.400
because of the because it's a ghost of Christmas past scene,
945
01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:30.199
and it's a thing that's supposed to, you know, inform
946
01:01:30.280 --> 01:01:33.119
you that he didn't make the right decisions going forward
947
01:01:33.119 --> 01:01:35.239
and that's how he ended up in this place. As
948
01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:37.639
Sean said, you have to do that so that in
949
01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:40.400
the end, when he's punished for all of his sins, yeah,
950
01:01:40.920 --> 01:01:44.800
you know, it's it's it's powerful. And if he don't understand,
951
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:47.079
if the stuff along the way is so light and
952
01:01:47.239 --> 01:01:49.840
dumb that you know, then then killing him in the
953
01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:53.559
casket and burning him is really overkilled. So I like,
954
01:01:53.599 --> 01:02:02.159
I get all, but it was funny. I the movie
955
01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:04.679
wants you to think that decision is a really bad one,
956
01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:08.920
except that I'm I don't agree with the movie, is
957
01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:12.199
what I'm trying to get at. I I don't think
958
01:02:12.320 --> 01:02:16.719
what he did there rose to the level of like when,
959
01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:19.800
just to give you an example, when Scrooge McDuck and
960
01:02:20.199 --> 01:02:24.440
it's a silly one, but gosh, nothing nothing breaks your
961
01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:26.280
heart like watching a sad Daisy Duck.
962
01:02:26.840 --> 01:02:31.400
When Daisy goes to Scrooger was like, hey, like I
963
01:02:31.480 --> 01:02:34.320
bought this car Itge for us to move into This
964
01:02:34.519 --> 01:02:36.199
is our wedding, this is this is for us to
965
01:02:36.280 --> 01:02:38.880
be married and live in and you know, and I
966
01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:41.519
know I've been laid on a few payments, but don't
967
01:02:41.559 --> 01:02:42.000
you love me?
968
01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:46.840
And this just like, yeah, I'm for closing get out. Well,
969
01:02:47.480 --> 01:02:52.119
she fucking just crumbles, like later on when they're kicking
970
01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:56.360
him into a lonely grave, you get it, like all right,
971
01:02:56.559 --> 01:03:01.639
I am, I am, And I understand him pleading with Karen, Like,
972
01:03:01.719 --> 01:03:03.400
for the love of God, I don't get a lot
973
01:03:03.440 --> 01:03:06.360
of up. I started out as the male boy. This
974
01:03:06.519 --> 01:03:08.480
is a chance for me to hob not with an
975
01:03:08.519 --> 01:03:11.920
executive and move up. Why aren't you Why don't you
976
01:03:12.119 --> 01:03:16.559
get that? God? No, Like God, I've kind of been
977
01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:18.880
him in that moment where it's like, why don't you
978
01:03:18.960 --> 01:03:20.440
see the sense of urgency here?
979
01:03:21.159 --> 01:03:26.880
Right? But yeah, like I feel the same way I'm
980
01:03:26.920 --> 01:03:29.880
on this, Like I've always started with Frank on this
981
01:03:30.599 --> 01:03:36.000
because it just makes more fitful sense. But and who
982
01:03:36.119 --> 01:03:41.280
knows if this was the only you know, like the
983
01:03:41.360 --> 01:03:44.599
only inch that he asked her to give, if that
984
01:03:44.719 --> 01:03:50.239
makes sense. But then again, like like these are characters
985
01:03:50.320 --> 01:03:52.440
in a movie, you know, like they're not real people.
986
01:03:53.320 --> 01:03:59.239
But I feel like in this instance, Yeah, go to
987
01:03:59.360 --> 01:04:03.119
dinner with his boss and you know whomever he chose
988
01:04:04.360 --> 01:04:07.000
to be on his arm for the night. Mm hmmm,
989
01:04:07.360 --> 01:04:11.239
because he's because the guy. I mean, you know you
990
01:04:11.480 --> 01:04:20.840
two meet him, uh like before this as a corpse
991
01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:23.239
or maybe a ghoul.
992
01:04:24.920 --> 01:04:26.880
Maybe it's one other thing I wanted to I wanted
993
01:04:26.920 --> 01:04:32.840
to talk about. So you raised it and it reminded me.
994
01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:36.079
Oh yeah, that's that to me is a little incongruent
995
01:04:36.119 --> 01:04:38.440
with the rest of the movie. The other scene that
996
01:04:38.559 --> 01:04:40.639
I kind of rit not enough that I'm that it's
997
01:04:40.679 --> 01:04:42.480
I'm gonna be super critical of the movie. It's just
998
01:04:42.559 --> 01:04:44.039
one of those where like it's a bit of a
999
01:04:44.119 --> 01:04:47.440
leap folks. You know, It's funny. I was talking about
1000
01:04:47.480 --> 01:04:52.199
this with Oh fuck Wicked, and I said, you know,
1001
01:04:52.280 --> 01:04:55.039
Wicked's doing a solo. You have to Everything has to
1002
01:04:55.159 --> 01:04:57.679
line up perfectly, or the next movie doesn't make any sense.
1003
01:04:57.760 --> 01:05:00.679
You know, Rogue one has to end with you know,
1004
01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:02.840
then you know how it ends. It has to end
1005
01:05:02.920 --> 01:05:06.800
with the fucking death Star plans going aboard the Karelian
1006
01:05:07.760 --> 01:05:08.480
Brilliant cruiser.
1007
01:05:09.320 --> 01:05:11.679
You know that we're gonna make it.
1008
01:05:12.239 --> 01:05:17.920
Yeah, they have to. They have to come up with
1009
01:05:18.039 --> 01:05:21.920
things in the future to convince Frank like, your actions
1010
01:05:21.960 --> 01:05:26.440
have consequences. Those consequences affected everyone around you. You you
1011
01:05:26.639 --> 01:05:30.280
being selfish, hurt everyone you came in contact with, and
1012
01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:37.480
that's why you're being punished, which including Karen Allen in
1013
01:05:37.639 --> 01:05:42.199
that makes sense. The way they included Karen all Lett
1014
01:05:42.199 --> 01:05:47.400
it like, Sean, you know, I'll see your wrestling reference
1015
01:05:47.440 --> 01:05:49.199
and raise you a very general one, you know how
1016
01:05:49.360 --> 01:05:51.480
like someone turns heel and you don't know why it
1017
01:05:51.519 --> 01:05:53.719
came out of fucking nowhere. Then they tell you what
1018
01:05:53.800 --> 01:05:56.320
the explanation is and you're just like why they made
1019
01:05:56.440 --> 01:05:58.960
notice that? Okay? The best one I can think of
1020
01:05:59.119 --> 01:06:06.280
Rakishi Rikishi running Stone Cold, Oh God, where you're like, no,
1021
01:06:06.400 --> 01:06:09.760
what buys this? Like it was such a dumb heel
1022
01:06:09.840 --> 01:06:14.320
turn his motivations made no sense. The He'll turn itself
1023
01:06:14.400 --> 01:06:16.960
made no sense. That's kind of how I feel about
1024
01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:19.679
Karen Allen's He'll Turn in this where it's like they
1025
01:06:19.760 --> 01:06:23.119
have a fight this whole time. Up to this point
1026
01:06:23.239 --> 01:06:26.000
in her life, for years on end, she has been
1027
01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:29.880
giving of herself and helping people, and they have this
1028
01:06:29.960 --> 01:06:31.719
whole thing where it's like, just give me a minute
1029
01:06:31.760 --> 01:06:34.440
to deal with this light bulb and I will and
1030
01:06:34.559 --> 01:06:36.440
I will come to lunch with you, and he's just like,
1031
01:06:36.599 --> 01:06:38.159
fuck you, and the hoist she rode in on I
1032
01:06:38.199 --> 01:06:41.079
have no patience for this sort of thing and off,
1033
01:06:41.519 --> 01:06:46.280
and that's enough to shake her resolve that that was
1034
01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:48.920
enough to make a go, you know what, fuck the poor.
1035
01:06:49.559 --> 01:06:51.400
And then and then when you see her in the future,
1036
01:06:51.480 --> 01:06:54.519
she's like, suddenly she's a fucking you know, she's a
1037
01:06:55.239 --> 01:06:59.800
Southern uh what do you call it? Yeah, it was
1038
01:06:59.840 --> 01:07:04.599
like when get all this money first of all, yeah,
1039
01:07:05.559 --> 01:07:09.360
like an antibellum fucking rich woman all of a sudden,
1040
01:07:09.679 --> 01:07:13.760
Like what I was like, all that was missing was
1041
01:07:13.840 --> 01:07:16.559
her in the rocky tier, going, it's good to have land, Like,
1042
01:07:16.679 --> 01:07:17.400
what are we doing?
1043
01:07:18.320 --> 01:07:21.559
We were just in Manhattan? When did we arrive in Tennessee?
1044
01:07:22.079 --> 01:07:25.000
Right? Why do you want to plantation in Alabama?
1045
01:07:25.119 --> 01:07:25.519
Anywhere?
1046
01:07:26.280 --> 01:07:28.840
But like, I don't think that was a micro dose.
1047
01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:34.719
Yeah, but it's like it's like all that really taught,
1048
01:07:34.880 --> 01:07:37.960
you know, at least some people. Oh, like all I
1049
01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:42.119
gotta do is be a massive selfish cunt.
1050
01:07:42.239 --> 01:07:47.840
And then I get like, like there's an argument to
1051
01:07:47.880 --> 01:07:50.159
be made that that's somewhat true, but not as quickly
1052
01:07:50.199 --> 01:07:53.119
as they do it in this movie. It's not that
1053
01:07:53.360 --> 01:07:54.199
far in the future.
1054
01:07:55.039 --> 01:07:55.719
No, it's not.
1055
01:07:56.880 --> 01:08:01.000
But somewhere a young Jeff Bezos is just going hang on,
1056
01:08:01.239 --> 01:08:04.639
slow down, slow down that last part. Give me that
1057
01:08:04.760 --> 01:08:05.559
last part again.
1058
01:08:05.840 --> 01:08:08.559
All right, right? Fuck they just do nothing, but nobody
1059
01:08:08.639 --> 01:08:10.039
keep it to keep it all for yourself?
1060
01:08:10.159 --> 01:08:10.480
Got it?
1061
01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:12.760
I have been making it for an online bookstore.
1062
01:08:14.320 --> 01:08:20.079
Oh god, man, if that's his origin story fields her,
1063
01:08:21.640 --> 01:08:22.800
I'm a flipping the table.
1064
01:08:23.239 --> 01:08:25.960
But uh, anyway, that's my point about that scene. That's
1065
01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:29.560
what I'm trying to say. What happened to break Karen
1066
01:08:29.640 --> 01:08:32.319
Allen isn't nearly enough to show to what they showed
1067
01:08:32.359 --> 01:08:33.840
in the future. That's my opening.
1068
01:08:34.960 --> 01:08:42.520
Nope, I means although I have used this quote recently,
1069
01:08:42.720 --> 01:08:46.439
scrip him off, Claire. You're gonna say if anybody saved
1070
01:08:46.479 --> 01:08:48.840
yourself like I have used this.
1071
01:08:50.640 --> 01:08:56.239
Quote, anything was a nineteen eighties professional wrestling heel line.
1072
01:08:56.880 --> 01:08:57.760
It is that.
1073
01:08:59.079 --> 01:09:05.640
Yeah, it's yeah, like it's giving, Yeah, it's giving. This
1074
01:09:05.840 --> 01:09:09.039
Champagne is burnt see me in a Dynasty reference again.
1075
01:09:09.359 --> 01:09:09.880
But uh.
1076
01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:20.640
Yeah, there must have been a series of I guess
1077
01:09:21.279 --> 01:09:22.159
fortunate events.
1078
01:09:22.319 --> 01:09:28.680
You know. Was she given stock advice? From Forrest Gump
1079
01:09:28.760 --> 01:09:29.960
and she invested in Apple.
1080
01:09:30.399 --> 01:09:34.520
God who knows. You know, it's like maybe she already
1081
01:09:34.600 --> 01:09:37.199
came from money, and no I'm not, you know, like, oh,
1082
01:09:37.239 --> 01:09:39.760
I'm not volunteering all my time and energy to this.
1083
01:09:40.319 --> 01:09:42.680
You know, we're making a big It's one of these
1084
01:09:42.720 --> 01:09:45.000
things where anyone watching this or that movie is like,
1085
01:09:45.079 --> 01:09:46.560
what are they making a big deal about? But I
1086
01:09:46.600 --> 01:09:48.439
actually think you raised a really good point there, Kat,
1087
01:09:49.000 --> 01:09:50.760
If you're going to do this thing where she's rich
1088
01:09:50.800 --> 01:09:55.880
in the end, maybe a line a conversation about, yeah,
1089
01:09:55.920 --> 01:09:58.520
I never really had to work because I come from money,
1090
01:09:58.640 --> 01:10:00.560
but I decided that being a good person is what
1091
01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:02.880
I want to be when I grow up, So I
1092
01:10:03.039 --> 01:10:05.880
spend because I don't have to work, I spend all
1093
01:10:05.960 --> 01:10:09.880
of my time volunteering. Great, we now we understand why
1094
01:10:09.960 --> 01:10:13.039
you're like where you are at the end, right. I think.
1095
01:10:14.640 --> 01:10:17.279
The lesson the movie is trying to teach, or at
1096
01:10:17.359 --> 01:10:21.880
least what they're trying to come across, is, yes, she's rich,
1097
01:10:22.000 --> 01:10:28.000
but she's bitchy and unhappy because like her lip quivers, Yeah,
1098
01:10:28.439 --> 01:10:29.920
here comes out of that eye.
1099
01:10:30.560 --> 01:10:33.760
She's wearing highly comfortable with where she is in like
1100
01:10:33.800 --> 01:10:36.359
despite the fact that she made a grown woman decision
1101
01:10:36.439 --> 01:10:38.000
to do that pretty much.
1102
01:10:38.279 --> 01:10:43.039
Yeah, exactly, it's like, oh she said me next, Like,
1103
01:10:46.319 --> 01:10:51.359
I mean, she's definitely better off than for Grace and Calvin.
1104
01:10:52.640 --> 01:10:58.239
Yeah, well, yes, all right. I think we've talked this enough. Sean.
1105
01:10:58.319 --> 01:11:01.319
Is there anything else about Scrooge? Any of the craft elements,
1106
01:11:01.399 --> 01:11:04.680
craft elements, craft elements that you want to you want
1107
01:11:04.680 --> 01:11:05.760
to speak on? Are you good?
1108
01:11:06.119 --> 01:11:06.720
My god?
1109
01:11:07.039 --> 01:11:10.960
It is worth it just to watch Carol Caine adorably
1110
01:11:11.279 --> 01:11:16.359
who Bill Murray's monkey ass up, Down and Sideways. I
1111
01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:19.680
could watch that on a loop for the rest of
1112
01:11:19.960 --> 01:11:23.359
my life and probably never stop laughing.
1113
01:11:24.159 --> 01:11:27.119
I wanted to be for Halloween so bad.
1114
01:11:28.520 --> 01:11:29.640
An amazing Carol.
1115
01:11:30.319 --> 01:11:33.159
I know you know what, I can still do it.
1116
01:11:33.600 --> 01:11:36.119
I could totally still do it. In fact, it would
1117
01:11:36.119 --> 01:11:38.560
make more sense now than at like six.
1118
01:11:38.920 --> 01:11:41.840
So I could see you having some fun with her
1119
01:11:42.000 --> 01:11:45.840
character from The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt.
1120
01:11:48.760 --> 01:11:52.720
Don't worry out of It called the Banana Boys.
1121
01:11:52.880 --> 01:11:53.079
Yeah.
1122
01:11:53.199 --> 01:11:59.199
No, I love Carol Caine, I love her and everything.
1123
01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:05.399
This is my favorite. Carol Kane so funny, she's so cute,
1124
01:12:05.920 --> 01:12:07.119
and she's so ruthless.
1125
01:12:08.720 --> 01:12:12.560
It's good stuff. There is one other thing I want
1126
01:12:12.560 --> 01:12:15.199
to Mary up now that you mentioned it. Bill Murray's
1127
01:12:17.319 --> 01:12:21.199
turn at the end, Yeah goes a little long.
1128
01:12:21.960 --> 01:12:22.359
Uh huh.
1129
01:12:23.319 --> 01:12:26.359
Yeah, that's a speech that needed to be cut down
1130
01:12:26.399 --> 01:12:28.960
by about three to five minutes.
1131
01:12:29.439 --> 01:12:33.079
We didn't need we didn't need him singing. Put we
1132
01:12:33.159 --> 01:12:35.039
didn't need him sing and put a little love in
1133
01:12:35.680 --> 01:12:39.239
your heart. It could have stopped with him kissing the
1134
01:12:39.399 --> 01:12:44.880
roquette Claire kissing him and then Calvin like Tegnestly to
1135
01:12:44.960 --> 01:12:49.680
say God bless us everyone. Also another part that Niagara
1136
01:12:49.720 --> 01:12:50.399
falls faking.
1137
01:12:51.279 --> 01:12:53.439
Yeah, I we all, we get it.
1138
01:12:53.800 --> 01:12:53.960
You know.
1139
01:12:54.159 --> 01:12:55.720
His whole thing at the end is turn off the
1140
01:12:55.760 --> 01:12:58.560
television and spend time with your family. Is the is
1141
01:12:58.600 --> 01:13:03.159
the message of this movie. I love that you needed
1142
01:13:03.199 --> 01:13:08.079
two minutes for it, not not the Gettysburger dress he
1143
01:13:08.159 --> 01:13:12.920
does at the end. Bye Jesus Christ. All right, Well,
1144
01:13:13.600 --> 01:13:16.159
now that I've started this podcast with a Lincoln reference,
1145
01:13:16.199 --> 01:13:18.279
I will now end it with a Lincoln reference. That
1146
01:13:18.479 --> 01:13:22.720
is our review of Scrooge. Merry Christmas. Everybody speaking but
1147
01:13:22.800 --> 01:13:26.279
the Christmas movies and their reviews continue. We will be
1148
01:13:26.359 --> 01:13:31.560
doing Merry Xmas. Oh watch Fun and the jingle Bell
1149
01:13:31.680 --> 01:13:34.920
Heist this Sunday, It'll be myself and Jesse, continuing our
1150
01:13:35.000 --> 01:13:40.640
tradition of reviewing at least three streaming Christmas movie new
1151
01:13:40.680 --> 01:13:44.520
streaming Christmas movies every year. Last year was boy. Last
1152
01:13:44.560 --> 01:13:46.880
year was quite a It was quite a treasure trove
1153
01:13:47.359 --> 01:13:50.199
of Christmas movies. There was the Merry Gentleman. Have you
1154
01:13:50.319 --> 01:13:54.319
heard of the Merry Gentleman? Cat? No picture it. No,
1155
01:13:55.000 --> 01:13:59.800
It's like a hall Mark. It's like a hall Pick three.
1156
01:14:00.079 --> 01:14:04.640
It's like a Hallmark Christmas movie that someone decided, you know,
1157
01:14:04.880 --> 01:14:07.279
I like Hallmark Christmas movies. But what if we made
1158
01:14:07.319 --> 01:14:11.800
a kind of cinemaxie. You can't do that, all right,
1159
01:14:12.000 --> 01:14:14.840
We're going to just point at it being CINEMAXI from
1160
01:14:14.920 --> 01:14:17.880
about one hundred yards picture at Sicily.
1161
01:14:20.640 --> 01:14:22.039
Lingerie squeaks me out.
1162
01:14:22.399 --> 01:14:25.720
A professional dancer loses her gig on Broadway, goes home
1163
01:14:25.800 --> 01:14:28.279
to sulk about it. Her parents own a bar. The
1164
01:14:28.359 --> 01:14:30.359
bar is not doing well. They haven't got the money
1165
01:14:30.399 --> 01:14:33.119
for the mortgage. On the phone, and so she was like,
1166
01:14:33.159 --> 01:14:35.279
but this bar is everything to me, even though I've
1167
01:14:35.319 --> 01:14:37.039
been away for all these years. I don't want you
1168
01:14:37.119 --> 01:14:38.960
to lose your bar. The parents like, we really don't care.
1169
01:14:39.000 --> 01:14:43.520
We'll go to ca yeah. She's like, no, no, I
1170
01:14:43.600 --> 01:14:45.640
will not let you lose this ball. This bar is
1171
01:14:45.680 --> 01:14:48.840
our family. So she's like, I'm gonna save it. Well,
1172
01:14:48.880 --> 01:14:52.159
how are you gonna do that? Hear me out? We
1173
01:14:52.319 --> 01:14:55.239
have hunky men in this small town. What if I
1174
01:14:55.279 --> 01:14:56.800
got up to dance with no shirt on?
1175
01:14:57.880 --> 01:15:00.439
Well, family doesn't get left behind.
1176
01:15:00.960 --> 01:15:04.239
And she says, and everyone says, oh perfect, and she's like, no, no, no,
1177
01:15:04.279 --> 01:15:05.039
what it'll be classy.
1178
01:15:07.920 --> 01:15:10.239
Note that going that that that was gonna go.
1179
01:15:10.840 --> 01:15:13.279
So she does an all male review with the honky
1180
01:15:13.359 --> 01:15:16.439
men in town in this and because the honky men
1181
01:15:16.520 --> 01:15:19.520
in town attract all the all all the horny wives
1182
01:15:19.560 --> 01:15:22.319
of the neighborhood, this bar gets saved with the money
1183
01:15:22.399 --> 01:15:25.319
that they that they earn. And there's of course a
1184
01:15:25.399 --> 01:15:27.760
love story between her and head honky Man.
1185
01:15:29.479 --> 01:15:32.840
Okay, So every time you say honky man or honky
1186
01:15:32.960 --> 01:15:37.760
man or whatever, I go back, not my honky boys.
1187
01:15:40.279 --> 01:15:42.199
I watched this with my children on Christmas Eve. I
1188
01:15:42.239 --> 01:15:44.359
want you to know that we did an alternative. We
1189
01:15:44.439 --> 01:15:47.399
did a commentary track for it. There was that, there
1190
01:15:47.439 --> 01:15:51.600
was hot frosty, there was the gosh the redhead that's
1191
01:15:51.640 --> 01:15:56.840
in mean girls, She's gotta deal with Netflix. Now Lindsay Lohan,
1192
01:15:57.079 --> 01:16:00.359
whatever Christmas movie Lindsay Lohan did that year, and the
1193
01:16:00.600 --> 01:16:07.279
Jack Black, Uh Santa movie where he's where he's he's Satan.
1194
01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:10.960
But the kid, the kid's got to hear me out
1195
01:16:11.039 --> 01:16:13.760
on this one. This is the premise. So the kid,
1196
01:16:14.159 --> 01:16:16.039
he's got a bit of the dyslexia and all he
1197
01:16:16.079 --> 01:16:18.399
wants for Christmas is his parents to get back together.
1198
01:16:18.720 --> 01:16:21.880
So he writes, Dear Old Santa Claus, here's the problem.
1199
01:16:22.079 --> 01:16:25.640
He's got the dyslexia. He wrote to Satan. And one
1200
01:16:25.720 --> 01:16:29.840
of Satan's oh no, And so one of the Satan's
1201
01:16:29.920 --> 01:16:32.880
lesser demons intercepts this letter and he was like, I
1202
01:16:32.920 --> 01:16:36.239
will impress Satan by impersonating Santa, and I will go
1203
01:16:36.359 --> 01:16:39.319
down and raise mischief. That's That's the whole fucking movie.
1204
01:16:39.960 --> 01:16:43.680
So the roller coaster I just went on, man like
1205
01:16:46.239 --> 01:16:49.720
Jack Black Christmas Movie. I said, God, I can't wait
1206
01:16:49.800 --> 01:16:52.760
to not watch that. And then when you mentioned Satan,
1207
01:16:55.720 --> 01:16:58.319
come on start are you kidding me?
1208
01:16:58.840 --> 01:16:59.039
Now?
1209
01:17:00.239 --> 01:17:07.039
Hold on, Dave, download on the Jack Black Satanic Christmas Movie.
1210
01:17:09.439 --> 01:17:11.399
Wonderful. Do you like the name of the movie. I
1211
01:17:11.439 --> 01:17:12.399
can look it up really quick.
1212
01:17:13.560 --> 01:17:18.239
Date night is saved, was.
1213
01:17:18.319 --> 01:17:22.439
I think he got his streaming service Paramo. If not
1214
01:17:22.600 --> 01:17:24.000
watching it, it's on purpose.
1215
01:17:26.159 --> 01:17:26.199
No.
1216
01:17:27.439 --> 01:17:30.000
Now, I kind of want to see Satan save Christmas
1217
01:17:30.880 --> 01:17:31.760
for this little boy.
1218
01:17:32.199 --> 01:17:36.520
Uh, which one was it? Dear Santa, that's the name. Yeah.
1219
01:17:36.600 --> 01:17:41.680
Last year's Christmas triple feature was Hot Frosty, Ah Frosty,
1220
01:17:42.560 --> 01:17:46.960
our Little Secret and Dear Satan. This Dear Santa. This
1221
01:17:47.159 --> 01:17:50.560
year it's the jingle bell heist. Oh, what fun? And
1222
01:17:51.359 --> 01:17:53.279
I marry a little x mess as in like my
1223
01:17:53.439 --> 01:17:54.720
ex girlfriend or boyfriend.
1224
01:17:55.319 --> 01:17:58.199
Oh I thought that was the Christmas porno thing or
1225
01:17:58.279 --> 01:17:59.439
in the Christmas Oh.
1226
01:17:59.359 --> 01:18:03.239
That's the marriage gentlemen. All right, So here's what we
1227
01:18:03.319 --> 01:18:06.560
did this past week. Speaking of Christmas. On the Metal
1228
01:18:06.600 --> 01:18:10.159
Hammer of Doom. We talked to Trans Siberian Orchestra goes
1229
01:18:10.199 --> 01:18:12.319
to Christmas Eve, and that is where Mick Trick means
1230
01:18:12.319 --> 01:18:14.640
are doing a kink show because she told the story
1231
01:18:14.960 --> 01:18:16.960
where she had a hot date at a dungeon and
1232
01:18:17.039 --> 01:18:17.359
she did.
1233
01:18:18.399 --> 01:18:20.640
Like seven thirty in the morning, Happy Birthday. How would
1234
01:18:20.680 --> 01:18:21.000
you like.
1235
01:18:23.520 --> 01:18:25.520
I get up early in the morning. And then on
1236
01:18:25.680 --> 01:18:28.520
damn you Hollywood, we reviewed the new Frankenstein. Go watch it.
1237
01:18:28.560 --> 01:18:30.399
It's on Netflix. It's the best movie of the year.
1238
01:18:32.359 --> 01:18:34.039
Yeah about it?
1239
01:18:34.119 --> 01:18:36.039
Yeah, yeah, let's put it this way. When Robert and
1240
01:18:36.119 --> 01:18:38.439
I agree, When Robert and I both like something, go
1241
01:18:38.600 --> 01:18:40.199
watch it. It's the best thing you're ever going to see.
1242
01:18:41.239 --> 01:18:45.359
Monday is Avatar three, Fire and Ash. Hopefully after this
1243
01:18:45.479 --> 01:18:51.640
they stopped making these and then that's really it for
1244
01:18:51.680 --> 01:18:53.960
the week because it's Christmas Eve. So that's what we
1245
01:18:54.039 --> 01:18:57.479
got going on here. The next time all of us
1246
01:18:57.520 --> 01:19:01.000
will be together theoretically, well, the next triple fiature, I
1247
01:19:01.039 --> 01:19:04.520
should say, it will be in January eighth, and that'll
1248
01:19:04.560 --> 01:19:07.159
be myself and Sean and probably Cat. Where things are going.
1249
01:19:08.600 --> 01:19:11.680
We'll be doing a John Hughes focus John Hughes, motherfucker.
1250
01:19:12.800 --> 01:19:15.119
We'll be doing Weird Science, another movie that's been on
1251
01:19:15.159 --> 01:19:16.119
my wishlings for a while.
1252
01:19:16.199 --> 01:19:18.800
I am committed to this Polycule dude.
1253
01:19:20.079 --> 01:19:21.119
Okay, I'm in.
1254
01:19:21.399 --> 01:19:24.520
All you had to say was Weird Science, because I'm
1255
01:19:24.600 --> 01:19:27.920
in Oingo Boingo fan, But uh yeah, I go. I'm
1256
01:19:28.800 --> 01:19:29.720
I'm swear to go off.
1257
01:19:29.640 --> 01:19:33.920
Diva, Weird Science, sixteen Candles and Ferris Bueller's Day Off.
1258
01:19:34.439 --> 01:19:42.920
Ah Okay, okay, so the okay, so Weird Science, the
1259
01:19:43.119 --> 01:19:51.600
somewhat making light of sexual Assault and Ferris Bueller.
1260
01:19:52.159 --> 01:19:55.399
Yeah, Camon, wonderful man. I was adding you as you
1261
01:19:55.479 --> 01:19:59.159
were talking, so that that'll be the next triple feature
1262
01:19:59.239 --> 01:20:01.600
with the three of us. Sean, why don't you go
1263
01:20:01.600 --> 01:20:03.800
ahead and do your plugs all right?
1264
01:20:04.039 --> 01:20:07.199
Normally I would be on Twitch, dot tv, slash comer Codex,
1265
01:20:07.239 --> 01:20:09.079
but that is more than likely going to be on
1266
01:20:09.479 --> 01:20:15.039
a short hiatus until after New Year's I've got some
1267
01:20:15.119 --> 01:20:16.680
things in motion that I'm trying to get in order,
1268
01:20:17.479 --> 01:20:21.319
and I'll admit I just don't have the time for
1269
01:20:21.399 --> 01:20:23.239
the next about week or two to really get back
1270
01:20:23.279 --> 01:20:28.239
to it, but I'll have some things going under the hood, hopefully. Specifically,
1271
01:20:28.439 --> 01:20:30.039
one of the things I'm going to be dedicating a
1272
01:20:30.079 --> 01:20:35.000
little more time to is a project for the Rodalicchen
1273
01:20:35.039 --> 01:20:39.960
Broadcasting Network that I don't really want to unveil quite yet.
1274
01:20:40.920 --> 01:20:43.079
It doesn't have a date, but it will be happening
1275
01:20:43.199 --> 01:20:49.159
sometime in late January early February. And uh, I have
1276
01:20:49.479 --> 01:20:54.560
to not only rewatch a series on Disney Plus, but
1277
01:20:54.840 --> 01:20:56.880
for one for probably the first time, and all the
1278
01:20:56.920 --> 01:21:01.640
time I've been doing podcasts, I have actually got a
1279
01:21:01.680 --> 01:21:04.239
couple of books that I am reading for a review.
1280
01:21:05.880 --> 01:21:10.119
So this will be fun. I did not have this
1281
01:21:10.279 --> 01:21:12.199
on my bingo card for the end of the year.
1282
01:21:12.720 --> 01:21:16.000
But the more I think about it and everything's surrounding it,
1283
01:21:16.760 --> 01:21:18.199
the more optimistic I feel lately.
1284
01:21:19.119 --> 01:21:21.920
So all right, kat take me home, baby doll.
1285
01:21:22.640 --> 01:21:28.119
Ah. So I'm really bad at social media. However, I
1286
01:21:28.239 --> 01:21:31.680
do have a movie on drum and now called Christmas Chaos.
1287
01:21:32.439 --> 01:21:37.760
Oh yeah, real quick, what is your husband, your very partner,
1288
01:21:37.840 --> 01:21:40.520
and your partner and your friend? After the show? What
1289
01:21:40.600 --> 01:21:42.720
did they think of the the interview?
1290
01:21:44.159 --> 01:21:47.680
Oh, they thought it was great. I thought it was great.
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They you know, I mean, we all had a lot
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of fun. They really liked you guys. It said you
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were really nice. Oh yeah, I will say that. I
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got all from Dorian Price like an hour or so
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after the fact, and he goes, okay, two things. And
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you know, I love na death shout out to Dorian,
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but always takes him like thirty years to get to
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a point. So and he will be the first person
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to admit this. So first of all, he said that, uh,
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you messaged him like with a glowing review of me.
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You know, she's such an asset, She's great, blah blah,
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And I'm just like, ah, tear, like I actually teared up,
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and then he proceeded to tell me like something that
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like he preevitably apologized for something that no one even
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knew about.
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He Okay, that's very Dorian.
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Yeah, he apparently messaged you, you know, or you apparently
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messaged him about reviewing Christmas Chaos, and he said, oh
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my god, she got you know, she made you watch
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Christmas Chaos, and like, I don't even really know about it.
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So it's like, why are you apologizing for something that
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nobody in the room needed to know? This could have
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been a text, this could have been an email, or
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it could have been nothing, like, oh, I'm sorry I
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made an inoffensive joke. Okay, but so yeah, okay, I'm sorry.
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I got off on a tangent again. Like I said,
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I have a Christmas movie on Truman Now called and
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called Christmas Chaos, written and directed by my wonderful partner
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Nicholas how Howard, and and edited, scored, and god knows
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what else he did on this. Michael Tribuano, it's on
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Trump and Now, which is four to nine per month,
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but the first.
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Month's for you guys, all right, thank you, Merry Christmas, everybody,
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Thank you for joining us here on on trial. Court
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is now in recess for Sean, for Cat, I need
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the Seahawks to throw two touchdowns for God's sake. Stop
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falling apart, be well, be safe, and bea
