She Stopped Trying to Be Perfect — And Everything Changed

Michelle: Done is better than perfect. Just start. You can't know 100%. In some examples, it would hold me back because I would wait. I'd want to know more. I'd want to learn more. I'd want to do more. And I'm just the opposite. I'm always gonna be the gas. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. And I don't care if it's messy. Get out of your head and just take action. Good morning, good morning, good morning, true prime friends. How are you doing? ⁓ my God. And welcome to Michelle Radney from Michelle's Seat at the Table. Good morning, Michelle. Good morning. I'm so excited for the conversation. Thank you for having me. I'm so glad you're here. I feel fancy, like I want to have my pinkies out because Michelle's here. Y'all, Michelle is fancy. She's one of my fancy friends. I'm not that fancy. I do have a fancy mug for our conversation. ⁓ Michelle's coffee chat. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. So as watchers of gossip, rumor, and innuendo, true crime gossip know, I live. For gossip and all things true crime. But periodically and from time to time, we get together on a Sunday morning and have a little chat that I call coffee chat about a non-true crime topic. Usually I just want to introduce you guys to one of my friends and talk about like something aside from murder and mayhem. Although if murder and mayhem slips in, like I don't know where it would in this conversation, but we don't know. I'm slightly unpredictable, so you can never tell. So, for those of so people who don't know, Michelle Radney, tell the good people about yourself. Thank you. Well, good morning and hello, good people. I am Michelle Radney. I am tuning in today from my home office in central New Jersey. It is a rainy Sunday. ⁓ this weather has been ridiculous. But I am a healthcare executive. I've got ⁓ almost 30 years. in the commercial experience in the pharmaceutical and medical device ⁓ area. I am a mom, ⁓ now in empty nester. So my husband and I are trying to figure out what is next and what are we going to do with all of this fun free time. Although it's not too much free time ⁓ or too much fun because we still have now tuition for two ⁓ daughters to ⁓ pay for but I'm really excited for the conversation and thank you so much for having me. I'm new to podcasting, and this is actually my first live I've done recorded. So I'm I'm here for the adventure. Well, don't be nervous. We're all here to support you. And one of the things that's been my favorite thing about being on YouTube is that when I came to YouTube, I knew absolutely nothing, and it was other YouTubers. who held my hand and who showed me how to do it. And in the middle of a live stream, I was like, ⁓ my God, nothing's working. And people in chat were like, okay, take a deep breath, do this, do that, blah, blah, blah. And they literally in my first live stream walked me through how to fix a problem that I was having. And so anytime I could help somebody else who's new to the YouTube community, I am very happy to do so. I love it. Thank you. I I appreciate that because that is what I'm learning, how to do all the things. All the things is right. So I saw that you just completed your second season of Michelle's Seat at the Table, which kind of blew me away. How are we in season two already? And already thinking about what do I want to do and accomplish for season three? So I started this podcast in January. So I really am like a baby podcaster, new to the YouTube family and all things podcasting. But I got here because at the end of the year, ⁓ my job was impacted. I actually was laid off from my company and I thought, I don't want to go right back to work. I'm gonna take some time. I had been working, I've been working since I was like 14 years old. And so I said, I'm just gonna breathe a little bit. I'm gonna decompress ⁓ and think about what I wanted to do. And my husband was like, You now should start a podcast. He'd been telling me to start a podcast. I said, no. There are thousands of podcasts. Nobody wants to hear what I have to say. And he was like, people want to hear what you have to say. And so I finally had the bandwidth to actually start a podcast. So I learned how to like edit videos. I've used Riverside. I watched YouTube to figure out how to do it all. But really, what I wanted to do is it's kind of my way of giving back. It's my way of helping people figure out. You know, finding their voice, you know, their own seat at the table. We talk about community and trust and the difference between a mentor and a sponsor and why you need both to have a successful career. And so a lot of it is kind of corporate lessons, but it is not about the destination or the job. It's about the journey and life lessons along the way. And I call it Michelle Seat at the table, one, because it's A play on a boardroom table, but it's also a kitchen table because I love food. Yes. I love wine and conversations at the table bring us together. And that's how we learn lessons in both work and in life. One of the things that really struck me when I because I was just like randomly flipping through YouTube as I do. And maybe because we're both Joe's Jersey girls, or maybe because we know each other. I don't know how you popped up. And I was like, wait. That Michelle Radney, I think I know this lady. And so I listened to it and I was like, okay, Michelle is gonna give us some wisdom from the boardroom. And then I was like, wait, this is life advice. This is not, I mean, it was set in like a corporate setting. Like, what was the one that you said? done is better than perfect. Done is done, yes, done is better than perfect. And My husband David would tell me that because I have been such a perfectionist. I'm always in my head. I want to, you know, have all the answers and do all the things. And he's like, just start. And I tell people that in work as well, you know, don't wait till you have all of the answers. You can't know a hundred percent. And so in some examples, it would hold me back because I would wait. I'd want to know more. I'd want to learn more. I'd want to do more. And it's like, just go. Just start. Yeah. Yeah. It's so funny because I'm just the opposite. In most of the relationships I'm in, I'm the gas and the other person is the brakes. Like I need somebody to be the brakes because I'm always going to be the gas. I'm like, let's go. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. And I don't care if it's messy and I prefer because I grew up in a house that was very perfectionistic, I prefer imperfect. And so I don't edit ⁓ myself or anything I put on YouTube. And I have ⁓ what we call the back room, which is my members only space, where people pay, you know, a couple of dollars a month to hear my unfiltered thoughts. ⁓ I bet it's great. Believe it or not, people think I'm unfiltered on public videos. And I'm like, what you don't understand is that I am extraordinarily filtered on public videos. In that back room, though, I mean, yeah. Well, here's Here's the thing that I know is because I've known you for many years and I didn't meet you in a work situation. So I met the unfiltered version of Kathy. And that's why I love you. I'm telling you because so I have been, you know, like I said, you know, always in my head and wanting it to be perfect and polished and all that. I grew up in a house that was not like that. And so it shows up differently. But I am attracted to people who are not like that. I want people who are, you know, I don't want to be, I have always have to make the decision. I want to be like, let's go on a whim. What do we want to do here? And so I have so many creative and artsy friends because I don't feel that I'm very creative. I don't feel like I'm very fashionable. I have fat like fashionista friends. We know some of them, the same people. And I love it. Those same people dress both of us probably because if I have something big, I know who what number to call, like girls. That's exactly right. And so that's what I love. And that's the circle of life. And so we found each other. It's so funny because my mother grew up in a house that was very, very disorganized and crazy. And so she is like, everything has to be just so. And her everything has to be just so inspired me to be not wild and out of control on all levels, like some people think. But like I am definitely free with like if I have a thought, I just say it. ⁓ and P a a friend of mine used to say to me, my friend Melissa used to say, you know you can have an unexpressed thought. And I was like, can I though? Have I proven that I can have an unexpressed thought? I don't know that that's exactly true. And so nobody's expecting that from you. Honest to God. And I've set that expectation. Because I don't want people to feel like I'm gonna sit there with my hands folded and not say the thing. Cause I'm thinking the thing. It was just funny. I was in a meeting the other day. At work, I have to be like very, you know, professional Kathy. I do professional drag. ⁓ and sometimes like real Kathy slips through. And we were talking about this attorney who, no matter if you called him, if you emailed, he only gave one word answers. And I just thought it was weird. And I was like, what is this? And this guy's in like he's out west. It's a part of the country. And like the kind of business he was in, he like sold cars or something, but he was like this attorney for fancy cars. And I was like, he's out west where it's hot. He refuses to ever put anything in writing. And so this is churning in my head during the course of this call. And we're talking about something else. And his name comes up again. And I said, on a corporate call. He's making like meth in his basement or something. ⁓ and then it occurred to me, ⁓ Kathy, you could probably you could probably say less. You could probably say less. And a lawyer on the other call who has been trying to get information out of this guy burst out laughing and was just like, right? He's like, wait, wait, wait. But we're supposed to say, and that would be bad. And I was like, right. I mean, yeah, of course that would be bad. The colleague from my firm said. Okay, so and then just change the subject. Right. We're gonna act like we didn't hear that comment. Let's move on. And so, okay, Bill, what do you have next on the agenda? Exactly. Exactly. But it's like I there's a ⁓ bus driver on New Jersey Transit who always says, like if you say, ⁓ are there seats? He always says, There's room for you. And so I wanted my show, my house, my friendships, my life. To hold a space for other people and for them to feel like there's room for you. And when I was so I'm friends with all kinds of people who are not like me, and I appreciate that. Like when I first met you, Michelle, I was so jealous. I was like, she has everything. She's so perfect. She's so perfect. ⁓ my gosh. Her house is perfect. And she drives the perfect car. She has perfect children. And she has a perfect husband. And everything is perfect. And so I was like, okay, I'm gonna learn how to be. Perfect for Michelle's podcast. I cannot believe you have sex. Honest to God. I was so jealous. I almost couldn't be friends with you because I was so jealous. ⁓ my gosh. Well, listen, when I met you, I was like, I need to be her friend because you would say the most outrageous things. And I remember, so I remember one meeting we were in, and this wasn't too outrageous, but I like to learn things from people. And you we were having a conversation and out of nowhere, you talked about high net worth individuals. And I had never heard this term before. And so I went home and I said to David, I'm like, do you know about is it high net worth or high net wealth? What's the proper term? High net worth, high net worth individuals or families. And I was like, there is a whole nother world out here. And I was like, I need to find out what Kathy does and who she's hanging around with. Yeah. And what kind of people have high net worth? And I just remember all of the stuff you would do like creatively. You taught my kids how to sew. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, everybody knows how to sew. What do you mean you don't know how to sew? Not everybody knows how to sew. I will grab my sewing machines and I will come to your house and we will sit on the floor and spread out fabric and we will figure out how to sew. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like. I was like, her house is perfect. What if I leave thread? You know what I mean? It's so funny. It's never perfect. No. Dogs running around, children running around. Yeah. I think that's the thing though. It's like people sort of you can look at somebody else and have an idea. You I think we each tell a story, right? We decide who this person is and what their life looks like and how they should be doing or how we've decided that they move through the world. Yeah. ⁓ And it's not until you make space for that person or have the conversation with that person that you're like, ⁓ wait, this is just like a regular person trying to figure their life out, just like I'm a regular person trying to figure my life out, you know? That's exactly it. And so it's been a journey figuring all of the things out. And and and it's never perfect. And that's why it's like get out of your head and just take action, do something. And that's what I try also with my daughters who are now both in college and You know, it's an adventure. You have to figure it out and you have to be willing to put yourself out there to learn and to meet people and different people because the where we live and the life that my kids have lived is different from my upbringing, but also they will figure out where their path is. Mm-hmm. So what are some of the other things that you're talking about on Michelle's seat at the table? I am talking about entrepreneurship and career pivots. I've made a career pivot, other people making career pivots. I'm talking about a framework that I recently built out. ⁓ as I learn, as I look at how I contribute to other people and advise people. So I do coaching and some leadership development. And so I built out a framework ⁓ called own your seat at the table. And I You know, a little riff on Michelle's seat at the table, working on branding. And it is a framework to help people find it find their way. And it could be used whether you're in a corporate setting, you're an entrepreneur, if you work in a community organization. So it's three pillars. And the O stands for own your narrative, the W stands for win your visibility, and the N stands for navigate your network. And so I'm really excited. I did a ⁓ presentation on Friday in Philadelphia for an organization called the Advancing Women's Leadership in Pharma and Healthcare. And so I did this in person. And so people are asking me to come into their organizations to do this. And there's sort certainly more meat on the bones, but learning how to share my insights and my lessons and helping people bec to advance. So when I started my career, and you might have been the same way, and some of your listeners, and it doesn't it doesn't matter what type of work that you do, but many are taught you do the work, you do good results, you put your head head down, and your work speaks for itself. And that is not the case. And it's but especially not the case if you're a woman, if you're a person of color. It definitely is not the case. And so this framework helps people to better understand. How to navigate and how to be seen in those rooms and with the right audience. When you said I saw you do an episode of your show, and I think it was called like hard work is not enough or something like that. And I was like, right, right, right, right. Because I think everybody is raised with the idea that, like, if you work really, really hard, then everything is gonna be okay. But I'm I'm a big proponent of working smarter, not harder. ⁓ Although there are absolutely areas in my life where I could be working smarter, but I, you know, I allow myself to be wildly imperfect. But ⁓ the I think it's sort of ⁓ a crazy slash revolutionary idea that like just because you're working hard doesn't mean that you're gonna get the thing that you want or feel like you deserve or whatever. There's other stuff you gotta do too, right? There it there are so many other things, and and that's the part that people don't understand is the work doesn't speak for itself. We have to showcase what that work is and we have to let people know that I'm working on this project. Or for example, like me, just because I have a podcast doesn't mean that people are gonna flock to it and swarm. And no, you have to let people know that you're doing it and what it's about. And that's part of the work environment that we're in. And one of the things that you said was ⁓ I I'm gonna get the words wrong, but it was like. Hang around people who will speak positively about you when you're not in the room or something like that. You had like a really pretty way of saying it. I don't know what that was. But ⁓ it was something like that. And I was like, I had been, I was sharing with you before we started here that I r stumbled upon your podcast and I was like, Hey, I know that lady. And I watched it and I loved it. And I shared it with like colleagues and people in my personal life or whatever. And then I was like, Right. I should probably reach out to Michelle and tell her, like, thank you. I appreciate this. Because I was talking about you behind your back in the best possible ways. Thank you. But I think it's meaningful that, like, you know, that you keep people around you that are like, ⁓ this thing is really cool. You should see this. You know, it's sort of like like, subscribe, share all the things, right? ⁓ Yes. But in real life, in real life. And whether you're doing a business or a bake sale, you know what I mean? Yes. And that episode and and what I was talking about was the difference between a mentor and a sponsor. And some people, ⁓ you know, what I find is that many women are over-mentored and under sponsored. And having a mentor could be your friend, it could be your peer at work, it could be someone who may be a supervisor who is giving you advice and saying, Kathy, you shouldn't have said that in that meeting, or I reviewed this document, or you did a presentation and you did really well. But here are two things to think about next time. When Jim raised his hand and asked a question, you actually didn't answer the question. So mentors give you advice, but a sponsor is someone who has political capital. A sponsor is someone who is talking about next roles, talking about, ⁓ bigger assignments, someone who has the power to say, Kathy expressed interest in the next role, or Kathy expressed interest in going to Europe for a year to learn about this business. But they're in a yeah, and they're in the room that you're not in. And so a sponsor is someone who's going to say your name in the room, who's going to advocate for you where you don't necessarily have the opportunity to do so. Someone who can give you advice on here are the things that you need to know about this, you know, about the company or the people. And that's the difference. And finding a mentor and sponsor comes with a different set of challenges, but it does, you know, that's the piece that people have to really understand. And it shouldn't be transactional. That's the piece that I really try to let people understand is that it's not just I reached out to the vice president of this part of the business and Told them, you know, told her all about the great work I was doing. But how do you keep the relationship going? So is it coffee? Is it lunch? Is it let's go for drinks after work? How do you nurture those relationships and how do you keep people informed of the good things that you're doing so that they don't have to try to figure it out? If they don't know it, if they don't remember it, if it's not repeatable, then they can't repeat it in a room that you're not in. And it's so funny because that same advice is absolutely relevant in a business setting. But it's also relevant, like if you're making friends, if you want like on the local level as well, because you and I met in a mother's group and I went to that group not knowing anybody. And somebody was like, ⁓ you're interested in X. That person is interested in it. Or when I needed somebody to dress me for a big event, they were like, talk to that person over there. And I was just like, right. People were, you know, people were networking in a way that you wouldn't necessarily call networking. So whether it's like the church parking lot. the local bar, whatever it is, like whatever your venue happens to be. I think that these like all the tools that I think that are effective in good, strong in a business setting are absolutely relevant in a personal setting. If you want to get ahead in your marriage, get ahead in your life, get ahead on, you know, the little league field, whatever it is, it's that, you know, I think people think of the idea of networking is like, ⁓ God, I have to put on a cocktail dress and I gotta go stand in a bar for two hours and try and make small talk. And it's not necessarily that. You know, sometimes it's like saying to the cashier, ⁓ girl, I noticed that, you know, you have cute hair. Who does your hair? And then the cashier says, Mm-hmm. Who does There's a girl right over? Yes, yes, absolutely. All the things. And the other way that Sorry, the other way that that plays out, my husband's in real estate. And so he tells people you can't be the secret agent. You also have to start talking to people. So your your point around the cashier at the grocery store, right? Who do you know that is buying or selling or interested in real estate? You have to let people know that that's what you do and not assume that I've given them my card and that they're just always gonna to call me or that people know they don't know. And so that's about having a conversation, it's not about. I'm trying to, you know, sell your house tomorrow, but in the future, I want you to think about me. And if there is, you know, a project, I want you to think about me. And that's where networking is not the dirty word. It's not as hard as people think it is. It's just it it takes time and you have to be intentional about having conversations. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, I, you know. I used to take everything so personally. Like I was a real estate agent for a while and I was like, I put out all these marking materials and I would be mad if they didn't know. Like, well, I sent you the thing to your house. And one of my mentors said to me, Girl, nobody is thinking about you that hard. They have they got their kids, they got their life, they have their job, they have their own house to take care of and their dog and whatever else. And I was like, Right, right, right, right, right, right. I may have gone opposite and extreme where I don't take anything personally. ⁓ and maybe some things I should. ⁓ I don't care to, so I'm probably won't start. I'm just saying. But ⁓ you know, it's like I want everybody to remember or know that I like X or don't like Y, whatever those things happen to be. But it's just like, right, I just gotta keep talking about it. And sometimes in relationships with friends or my husband or my children or whatever. It's like, remember when I told you that I hate it that you pile the dishes on the sink like that where they're all still wet? That was a secret coded language for I hate it when you pile the dishes on the sink like that when they're still wet. Should I say it again? I hate it when you pile the dishes on the sink. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Without melting down, without screaming, like, I told you this 25 times. ⁓ a friend of mine who's in marketing said they do this thing that's called, I think it's called like the water drop technique, right? So she's like, You know, a drop of water falls and is like the drop of water doesn't get mad. It's like another drop and another drop and another drop. They just keep coming. And ⁓ it like just in a calm, relaxed way, they just keep coming. And so she said, A good example is your GPS. You're driving down the street and you miss the turn. And the GPS is like, Hey, you big dummy, you missed the turn. It doesn't do that. It says, At your next, you know, at your next opportunity, make a U-turn. Please make the next left. Please make the next left. So with my with my husband. I'm just like, I've told him 12 times. I hate the way he puts the dishes away. And I say, ⁓ babe, could you just stack the dishes? I want to say properly, but that would be passive aggressive. ⁓ but I'm like, hmm, okay. Next time I walk through, ⁓ I th I thought you were gonna stack the dish. Okay, no problem. And then I'm I'm not mad. I don't mention again. I don't mention it out of place. If I'm mad at him, three days later, I'm not screaming at those damn dishes. You know what I mean? Just do it. No, I don't just do it. I just say to him. You don't. No. I listen in my house, I do the things that I like to do. Pretty much the same as my life. I do the things I like to do. And the things that I don't like to do, I don't do them. I just don't. ⁓ it's just a personal stand that I take. I'm not gonna be mad at you for you not doing it. I just say, ⁓ could you? I've joked on this podcast many times. That if I ever murder him, it's gonna be over the way he loads the dishwasher. girl, stuff is not rinse, bowls are upside down. I can't take it. But ⁓ and he never, never, never cleans the filter in the bottom. So when he's loading the dishwasher, I say, babe, can you clean that filter in the bottom? Now I will go in there and take it out and check it to see if he's cleaned it. No, when I'm taking it out and checking it, could I clean it? Yes, of course I could, but I'm not gonna do that. I just say to him, ⁓ this would be so much cleaner if you clean the filter. Listen, I have to say. This dishwasher filter just came up. I was like, what is that smell in the dishwasher? And I said to David, where is the filter in the dishwasher? David finds the filter. I have to admit, we have not changed the filter or cleaned the filter. It just was discovered he did it. But it was like, why is the dish, why is the dishwasher smelling like this? Now that the kids are gone, I'm actually like loading and unloading the dishwasher because the kids were doing it. ⁓ and so now I'm like, something's not right with the dishwasher. He's like, I don't know. I don't think it's anything wrong with it. It was the filter. I should have had this conversation with you sooner. But I'm just like, babe, I was like, ⁓ I bought these dishwasher cleaners. Next time you get a chance, can you throw one in there? And he doesn't, so I put them where he can see them. Yes. And I'm just like, I'm teaching him the things, but I refuse to take it personally. I refuse to get mad. I just will keep reminding and reminding, but I must point out that I did partner with somebody who makes my happiness his personal business. Now for a long time I surrounded myself with people who did not like me. I don't know what that was, but I just I don't know. Anyone who thought I was a jerk, I was like, ⁓ they see me clearly. I should be their BFF. I surrounded myself by people with people who didn't like me. And I had a friend who said, Everybody in your life is somebody who agrees with you. And I said, No, I'm surrounded by people who think I'm a jerk. And she's like, That's because you think you're a jerk. And I was like, it hurt my feelings so bad. But one by one, I got rid of people who thought I was a jerk. And I was like, right, I can, you know, that you you partner at the level of your self-esteem. I married at the level of my self-esteem. I was employed at the level of my self-esteem. So when I started partnering with people who thought better of me. ⁓ I had a better life experience. And when I worked at job, I mean, a job is a little bit different because you can't always do that. You have to earn for your family or whatever. But little by little, I got rid of all the people in my life who thought I was a jerk. And that like was the wit literally the wind beneath my wings, not to be corny. Listen, what you just said is needs to be repeated because there are so many people that are surrounded by those. Type of individuals, but it's a friend, it could be a stranger, but someone to actually tell you what you couldn't see. You're surrounded by these kind of people and you didn't see it, but once they pointed it out, you were like, That's true. It happens all throughout our lives. And then when you know better, you should do better. Yeah. Yeah. But it's like I had to be willing to receive that. You know what I mean? Because there part of my ego was like, no, no, no, no, no, no. I would have gone to the mat for these people, these friends. And I discovered they wouldn't go to the mat for me. They wouldn't get off their chair for me, much less go to the mat for me. And those were the people who were like talking nasty behind my back. And I had no idea. And I was like, ⁓ wait. ⁓ no, you're not qualified to be my friend. No. And I have so little tolerance for that. The older I get, the more the smaller my circle is. And once you once you turn 50, it all goes out the window. I'm like, I don't I don't need any new friends. If that's what I have to deal with, I I'm fine with the people I have. I nurture the relationships I have. I spend time with the people who I want to spend time with. Yep. I don't have time for drama. Yeah, because life is short. And even if life is long, I don't want to spend it doing stuff I don't want to do, being surrounded by people that I don't want to be surrounded with, and people who don't nurture and encourage me to be the best best version of myself. Because I am so outspoken and I have a big mouth and I can be delightfully unfiltered. There are people who are like, I was scared to tell you X. But I am intentional about keeping people in my life who will be like, Kathy Girl, I love you, but you should not have said the thing about the meth with the man and the thing. And I'm like, Right. On the work call. On the work call. Although I did once say when I was a very, very junior person, we were doing something like a money thing. And somebody in this meeting was like, you know, why does so-and-so need so much money? And I said, on a work call, well, hooker and blow won't buy themselves. And I was like, Kathy. Okay. That was at home, Kathy. See, this is what I'm talking about. This is exactly this is the version of Kathy that I met. And in a meeting or a group or something, I was like, note to self. That's who I want to hang out with. That's who I want to get to know. Because you probably said that same thing. I was like, who says that? You're the one that people are like, who says that? All the time. All the time. It's funny though, because in that group, I ⁓ I think there were people in that group who really wanted me to be like me, but not me. And I was like, yeah, I don't, I don't, that's not what I know. She don't go here. I don't. I am always just myself for better or worse. And the truth is, I have paid a very high price in some arenas for always being just myself. There are people who don't like me. There are places who I there are places that I Well, I don't go because I don't want to go because I wouldn't surround myself with people who don't like me. But ⁓ it was not until I got to YouTube that groups of people went, ⁓ she's funny and she's cool and she's whatever. Because I was sort of always like this, and I refuse to like tamp it down more than I already do. I'm tamping for all I'm worth. ⁓ but I'm just like, right, there are there are arenas where I don't fit. And instead of being sad about that, I had to come to some level of acceptance about that. But in that group, I felt like particularly at one point I was the president of the group, child, the emails I would get like you can't say this, you said that wrong, blah, blah, blah. At one point, a former leader said, Going forward, every email you send out, you have to send through me, and then it can go out. And I said, Absolutely not. This is about ⁓ What was the fee? Like $50 a year for $50 a year. I need this headache. I bet you I'm not, which is why I'm not saying the name of this organization. But ⁓ I had a falling out was and I was like, I built the website. I did, I was doing all of these things and they were like, right, we like it when you do the things that we want. They just wanted me to say less. And I was like, well, you know, saying less is not my brand. That's that's not what I do. That's not what I do. And so ⁓ I informed someone in ⁓ exquisite detail what I thought of her and her rules. Uh-oh. And invited her to kiss all of my nether regions as frequently as she felt the conversation for the after show. ⁓ because I I I'm missing some of these details, but ooh. What my daughter would say, the tea. This is the tea. Yes, yes, yeah. When we get off your girl, remind me because you I'm gonna forget. But ⁓ I was like, I politely said, it's clear that this is not for me. And they were like, Well, no, no, no. We want you to do like all the hard work and all those things. We want you to keep doing the hard work, but can you just like take out the parts of yourself that you don't like? And I was like, No, no, no, it's all me. It's all me. So if all of me does not fit with what you're trying to do, thank you and good night. And so I resigned from the organization and people were like, I can't believe you left. And I said, I can't believe I stayed that long. Well, listen, so I also am not a part of the organization anymore. However, I am grateful for the time that I had because many relationships that I still have today, ours included. were nurtured and fostered there. And so it's with anything like a job. Like there are jobs, same thing. I can't believe I stayed that long. But some of those people I bring with me to the next chapter in my life. And we count, you know, the blessings where they are and leave the rest. Absolutely. I was at ⁓ an art showing an art show about a month ago and I ran into probably five or six ladies from that group. And it was like it was like homecoming. It was like So good to see you. And because we all live in North Jersey, but everybody is, you know, going in a million different directions. So I never see these ladies. It was wonderful to see them. Yes, because you're ⁓ wildly busy doing a crazy show on YouTube. I'm talking about all the latest murders and true crime and all the things, but we are over time. I was gonna do 30 minutes and we're at 35, and I still have to recognize these star chat. We'll do stark chat and then we'll talk about where people can find you on social media. So let's see. ⁓ Suze at large became a new member. Girl, the back room is something crazy. I'm just letting you know. Thank you, thank you, thank you, Suze. Laura in Florida gave a dollar. Thank you so much. ⁓ Kona Tora with the girl power and 300 jewels. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Girl power. Yay, we love girl power. Diane Like says. Go team. Thank you. Thank you. C Morales. Seymour Scroll, where have you been? I have not seen you in a minute, member for 30 months. We're so glad you're here. Thank you, ladies. Great show. Love your insights. And on that happy note, Michelle, where can people find more of your brilliant insights? Thank you. I first want to say I really appreciate being invited to your table and for you pulling out the chair. I can be found on YouTube, Michelle Radney. or Michelle Seat at the table. You can also find me on LinkedIn at Michelle Radney and on Instagram at Michelle's underscore seat at the table for more insights on owning your voice, pulling out the chair for others, and ⁓ having a fantastic career in life and in person excuse me, in life and professionally. Excellent. Excellent. Thank you so much, Michelle. 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