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Two best friends fucking fast.
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We're missing two arcades, we're having a blast.
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Eating these dreams, thinking on screens, it was all bad.
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Welcome to Like Whatever, a podcast for, by, and about Gen X.
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I'm Nicole, and this is my BFFF, Heather.
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Hello.
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So Heather had a week, and we're just not even going to talk about it.
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We can't talk about it.
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She already talked about it and it stresses me out.
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So not even a week, just two days.
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Two days.
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Two very stressful days.
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Days.
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But she got it out and she's good now.
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Well, until November.
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So I want to talk about the space squid.
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Did you see the space squid from SpaceX?
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I didn't.
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Oh, the yeah, yeah.
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Uh-huh.
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That's what they call it.
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Yeah.
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It was really pretty.
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I did not, I was so mad at myself.
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It was yesterday.
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And I know where I was.
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I was caught I was planning on being crossing the bridge at that time so I could see it.
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But I don't know what happened that I forgot or what I don't.
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I have a lot of other things on my mind currently.
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Yeah, I have a friend in Florida and he posted a picture on Facebook.
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He saw the space squid.
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Yeah.
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It was very exciting.
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That launched out of uh Canaveral, Cape Canaveral.
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Well, the space the squid though is the thing that the effect that happens.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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The the rocket boosters leaving.
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And they look like a big bubble.
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Yeah.
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I think it it had something.
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I can't remember what it had to do with, but yeah, it was really cool.
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I hadn't seen that before.
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No, the ones they launch out of here do not that I think it's because it's the the reusable rocket boosters, so they they power back up to come back down to land.
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I think that's what it is.
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And the ones they launch out of here, they do not.
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Okay.
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They don't come back.
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Gotcha.
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Makes sense.
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That's my understanding.
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I could be wrong, but yeah.
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But yeah.
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Nothing, nothing real exciting going on over here.
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I just wanted to update us on um Carl Bushby.
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Yes.
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Because I forgot to do it last week.
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Yes.
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And I forgot to put it on Facebook.
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But Carl has swum across the English Channel and landed at Shakespeare Beach, Dover, on October 5th through the 7th.
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And after landing, he confirmed he still had 400 kilomet whatever a kilometer, however many kilometers is in a whatever, left to walk to reach his mother's home in Hull, where the journey will officially end.
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His current location is England, somewhere between Dover and Hull, actively walking the final 400 kilometers north.
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He is on the road completing the last leg of the expedition.
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So uh I think he's still on target for the November 1st.
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I would love to know what emotions he's going through in this.
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Like, like you've been doing this for so long.
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I I can't even imagine.
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And now it's almost over.
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Like now what?
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Yeah.
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Exactly.
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Now what are you gonna do?
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Right.
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You're never gonna top that.
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No.
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No.
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I don't know.
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Like, you know, you'd be excited and scared and confused.
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And yeah, I mean, because he's only in like his 40s.
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Right.
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So yeah, exactly.
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That's what I'm saying.
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Like, he still has half his life to live.
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Yep.
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Are you gonna get a job?
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Like, what job are you qualified for at this point?
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Go walking backwards.
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Yeah.
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I mean turn around and take back off.
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And now I'm going back.
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I don't know.
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Well, I'd imagine he'll make money touring and um lecturing and he'll probably write a book or two.
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Well, he's already written some.
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That's how he's gonna make money.
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Yeah, but uh I'm not worried about him making money, but like when you have been I mean, I know there was times where he wasn't actively for intents and purposes.
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Yeah, you've been mobile.
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Yeah.
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So were you gonna go just sit on the couch for 30 years now or yeah.
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Just get up and walk around town all day.
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Yeah.
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Just to get it out.
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You're just gonna go for a run and force gump it, or like what?
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What happens now?
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Yeah.
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Now what?
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We will have to continue to follow.
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I just wanted to update us all on um Yes.
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Yes, on that.
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Uh so keep your eyes peeled.
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It should be, I think they're still on target for the November, November 1st.
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So if you are still caring about him, we're in the home stretch.
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So and sending thoughts and prayers out to Pope Leo.
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Yes.
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It sounds like it's the diagnosis is very, very good.
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Well, that's good.
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Yeah, I knew somebody who had that.
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They went into for a biopsy and they had to have half their lung removed.
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And he's fine, he's been alive for like almost like 20 years ago.
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I was listening to NPR on the way down and they were talking about it, talking to doctors, and they said, you know, this the success rate and this having an effect is I mean, plus he's got God on his side.
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Exactly.
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So I mean Yeah.
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He went to mass today.
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He just had his surgery yesterday.
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I mean maybe prayer does work.
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I mean, I don't think he would have should have gotten cancer to begin with if prayer worked, but yeah.
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I asked that question all the time as a kid.
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I remember asking my mom, like because you know, we're we went to a church with a lot of blue hairs, like a lot.
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So people were dropping like flies all over the place.
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And we'd always have to pray, like we'd pray one Sunday for them.
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We come back the next Sunday and find out they were dead.
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And I asked mom, I'm like, Why are we praying for these people if they just died anyway?
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Like it doesn't work.
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Death's always gonna win.
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Yep.
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100%.
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It's never lost.
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Nope, nope, nope.
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We had uh people come in yesterday, because yesterday wasn't a bad enough day at work, to sell us life insurance and um disability insurance.
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And you get, I think you get with the post office one year salary of life insurance, and this was like on top of that, and I don't know why you would but whatever.
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And so the lady is trying to sell it to me, and I'm like, I I just first of all, I can't afford it.
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Like, sorry, but it's not happening.
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And she was like, Well, well, you know, with the life insurance and this, and I'm like, I don't really care what happens after I I was gonna say you don't care.
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I don't have any errors.
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You'll be dead in the house.
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I'll be dead cares.
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I've already made arrangements to donate my body to the body farm.
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Nobody's gotta pay for a funeral, nobody's gotta bury me, nobody's gotta cremate me.
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This is all taken care of.
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I don't have anybody to to take care of when I'm dead, so yeah.
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I just got my life insurance policy update thing in the mail the other day.
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It's a pretty nice sum.
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I'm gonna tell my kids because I was watching a true crime show the other day, and this stupid woman tells her trashy ass granddaughter and his her trashy ass granddaughter's boyfriend that when she dies, they're gonna get X amount of dollars.
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Well, guess what happened within a week?
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They killed her.
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Well, you you should tell them about it.
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Um No, I know because they have to have the I actually need to start making a file.
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Yeah.
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Did you put them did you they're beneficiaries now, yes.
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Uh yeah.
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Yeah.
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Um Yeah.
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I I don't I don't need I don't need to be paying it's like fifty dollars a paycheck.
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Yeah.
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Because I'm so old.
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Well state, I mean it's good life insurance.
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I only pay a couple bucks a paycheck.
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And I'm sure it is.
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It's nice, so I'm certainly not gonna have any savings or anything to leave them, so I'll at least have that.
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Nobody cares about me, so I'm just gonna go on.
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Whatever.
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Yeah.
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I know that um my father-in-law um before he passed already had his all the death arrangements made, paid for, casket, everything.
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And my parents have done the same thing for me.
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Like, I don't know if my kids are gonna get that same treatment.
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I still have to decide what I want to do with my carcass.
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Yeah, you need to turn you need to probably voice that also.
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Well, I just don't know yet.
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There's so many different things.
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You'll be dead though.
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Yeah.
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So it really won't matter.
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Yeah, I know.
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But I'm talking like donate my body to science, which I don't want to do because my mom's doing that, so no, thanks.
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Well, if you also when you donate your body to science, they give the body back.
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So they still have to do something with the body.
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So the skin suit has to be.
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And they they strip it of all its its internal or they do whatever they're gonna do.
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I want to do something organic.
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Like throw me in the kitchen, bar b bury me in the woods.
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I don't care.
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The body farm.
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Go to the body farm.
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All right.
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They just throw you in a ditch or in a car or underwater, or it's like it's all so they can study what happens to the body when it as it decomposes in different elements.
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And then what do they do with?
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They leave them there forever.
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They don't give them back.
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You can request them back if you want, but they leave them there because they they want to know in 50 years what hap what what do bones look like when they've been in that condition for 50 years.
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Yeah, I'd be down with that.
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Yeah.
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Look it up, donate to the body farm.
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Okay.
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But they just I mean, you could be in a horrendous situation.
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Your body could be like in a car underwater or in a shallow grave or in a deep grave or like with leaves, or it's all any any kind of scenario.
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I think they burn some.
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That sounds fun.
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Right.
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For my body to do after I'm gone.
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That's what I'm trying to say.
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I then I will be able to help the crime.
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Yes.
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As much as I love absorb crime, I think too.
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I'm giving back.
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That's what I'm doing.
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I'm gonna give back.
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Yeah.
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It's pretty cool.
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They just they come and get you.
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You just call.
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Like whoever is in charge of my carcass is gonna have to call and then they come get it.
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And then I was watching that um uh unknown serial killer show that I told you about.
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It's crazy.
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Like, why are these people not famous too?
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What makes the other ones famous?
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This dude, he's actually he shot Larry Flint.
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And he's the one that paralyzed him and put him in the wheelchair.
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And I didn't even know any of that.
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Yeah.
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But he was uh he was a raper and a murderer.
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Typical.
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Yeah.
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Um typical.
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Oh, I remember he was trying to rid the world of ugly people.
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Unfortunately, it was very racist.
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What he considered to be ugly.
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Get out of here.
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But then he shot Larry Flint because Larry Flint put a biracial couple in Hustler magazine.
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But that's the one thing that he regretted.
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But it's because he didn't do the job right.
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He lived.
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Yeah, they don't like that.
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They're not big fans of people living.
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No.
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No.
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They feel something feels unfinished here.
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Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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But now he's in jail, so not too bad.
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I guess this death didn't win that time.
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It will, though.
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Yeah.
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The household.
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I don't know if Larry Flint's still alive or not.
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I don't know either.
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Speaking of which, Mike Dick died.
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Yep.
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And we text each other and we're like, oh.
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I thought he was already dead.
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I did too.
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Maybe we were thinking of uh Madden.
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Maybe.
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But I know Madden's dead.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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I I uh when I heard it, I was like, hold on, wait a minute.
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He was still alive?
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Yeah, I wonder if he had some sort of um illness or something, because you haven't seen him in years.
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All the sport stuff that goes on, he's never appeared anywhere ever.
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So I wonder if he had something going on Parkinson's or something like that.
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Probably something.
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Probably has CTE.
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Oh, yeah.
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True.
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That is true.
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Yeah.
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Because back then they didn't they didn't even wear helmets.
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They didn't.
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They just wore leather on it.
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It's a technicality.
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Shoe on the head.
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He played for real.
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And they were allowed to hit each other way harder than they are now.
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They were trying to knock each other out.
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Exactly.
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Every time.
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Yeah.
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You'd get like 15 concussions one game.
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Yeah.
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So I'm sure.
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Well, it used to pay good money.
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I don't know if they still do that, but I remember they used to get rewarded.
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Yeah.
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Like thousands of dollars if they're going to be able to do that.
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I think that was just a I think that was just Buddy Ryan's Eagles.
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Yeah.
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The bounty bowl.
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I don't think that's true.
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I think I remember hearing players now that are my age and older talking about back when they played, and there would be bounties put on more so for defensive players to get.
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Yeah, that was Buddy Ryan.
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Chicago and Philadelphia.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yep.
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Those were good times.
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The Buddy Ryan years were my favorite.
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Yeah.
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Now the Eagles suck.
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Suck.
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Suck, fuck, fuck.
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I feel it's always like this every year though, because I'm always calling for Sirianni to lose his job this time of year.
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Yeah.
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Although I'll stand by that at the end of the year.
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Even if he gets us to the playoffs.
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I don't like his play calling.
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Uh I think we've been spoiled now for the last 30 years with Andy Reid and Doug and Sirian.
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I mean, we've been making the playoffs consistently every year.
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Well, I have a theory.
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I was thinking about this on Sunday.
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We don't have like any great teams because we don't have any old coaches.
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Like everybody's young.
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Andy's the only one that's old, I feel like.
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And he has a team that is consistently in the playoffs.
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I mean they weren't last year, but it happens.
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Yeah, but under the under I mean, I mean it's been a long time since the Eagles did not have a winning season.
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Yeah.
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Like a long time.
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My work, Bestie and I were talking about it, and never in his lifetime, and he's 30.
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So I mean.
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I mean, there are good teams, but they can change from year to year.
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It's not like every year you know these same teams are gonna be on there.
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Yeah, but what I'm saying is like they have consistently had winning years over the last 25.
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Like I remember I was an Eagles fan when they were oh and you know, 15, or when they won one game and it was Dallas.
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I sat through games.
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I sat through seasons in the stadium that were oh, and like we didn't, and I sat in the rain and snow and all that nonsense.
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So I think we've been spoiled the last 30 years for making the playoffs all the time.
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I mean, Andy Reid had us in the playoffs every year, and yeah, so well, I still want more.
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Well, I wouldn't bank on it this year.
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I'm not.
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Although the the team shouldn't be healthier this week, so that is true, but I hate using that excuse.
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Me too.
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Like you're all professional NFL players.
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Your backup should be just as good.
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Exactly.
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All right.
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I think we've probably gone on about football far too long.
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Well, it's the first time this season we've talked about it.
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That's true.
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Because each week I go home and I'm like, we didn't mention anything about the Eagles.
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Not that there's been anything to talk about.
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And I imagine they'll be announcing the halftime show very soon.
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I think I said this about this time last year.
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I hope it's bad bunny again.
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It's not gonna be bad bunny again.
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Well, I said they was gonna they were gonna go country last year and they didn't.
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So God, don't do that.
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I think please don't.
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I think they might go co I don't know.
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I don't know, because they seem to be liking to go against the grain these days.
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So no country, please.
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It's bad enough half an under list Carrie Underwood.
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How much they had so much nonsense up to the Super Bowl and during with everybody saying, I'm not watching, but they got an awful lot of play with people not gonna watch it, or they're gonna watch it and then turn it off at halftime just to prove their point.
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And so I don't know, maybe they'll go with um I don't know.
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Is there a Muslim group that they could bring in?
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I was dancing to Bad Bunny and Punta Kana for the Super Bowl last year.
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Yeah.
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Ugh.
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I wonder when it is this year, because I'm going to Jamaica in February this year.
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It's Valentine's weekend, I think.
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I think I heard, isn't it Valentine's Day?
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It might be, which is just not gonna work.
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Do you know how many poor men who have wives?
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And yes, I am gender whatever in right now.
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Yes, the 14th is a Sunday.
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Um but women want to celebrate Valentine's Day, and a lot of times that's the only time their man takes them out, and they're not gonna they don't care about the Super Bowls on.
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Such a stupid holiday.
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I bet there's gonna be a lot of brunches.
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Yes.
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Well, the game doesn't start till six.
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You could have dinner at like 4 30.
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Yeah, but you're getting ready for the game.
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It's not like you just plop on the couch at six o'clock.
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Well, right, but I feel like I don't know.
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And going out on Valentine's Day, you're not getting back home that fast.
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You do if you go at noon.
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Yeah.
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That is true.
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To McDonald's.
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That's a perfectly acceptable Valentine's Day for me.
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If restaurants are smart though, they will all have some kind of brunch.
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You can get up in the morning, go get all that out of the way, and focus on what's important.
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Football.
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Yeah.
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Get that relationship crap out of the way.
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Stupid anyway.
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All right, do your little spiel.
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Oh, um, like share, rate review.
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Please.
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You can find us on all the socials at like whatever pod.
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Uh we have a website, like whateverpod.com.
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Yes.
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Uh we have an email address.
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We did whateverpod at gmail.com.
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Right.
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Am I missing anything?
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Don't forget my travel agency.
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Oh.
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Which I have not been working on because of the events of I've been busy.
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Make sure that you go.
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If um I'll post again on socials, but I did post it uh after last week, the website.
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If you are into spooky adventures, yes.
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I have there are so many cool ones that I was looking at.
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I'll bet they have a um, if you're into the true crime, there are two true crime um cruises.
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Yeah.
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Um I won't I want one of them bad.
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Yeah.
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So yeah, but I imagine basically anywhere you go, you can find some kind of creepy stuff.
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I mean, there are creepy people and creep creepy things everywhere.
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That's the best part.
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I have found some really cool stuff in Vegas.
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I found some really cool stuff in like California.
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Uh, there's some there's some pretty cool spot just Salem.
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So yeah, even if you already have a vacation planned and booked, I mean, even better.
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A weekend.
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Reach out to her, let her know where you're gonna be.
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We can do Crampish night somewhere.
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I know.
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Don't think I haven't thought of that.
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Because it's uh it's too late for Salem now.
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You have to book Salem like a year in advance at least.
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But I've already done Salem.
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I have not.
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Well, my first marriage was October 15th.
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Your dad's cutting grass this week.
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This guy, yeah, his grass cutting.
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Yeah, he has to do that right now.
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Perfect timing.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Tomorrow's actually October 15th.
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That was my first anniversary date.
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Yeah.
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And we did honeymoon in Salem.
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Oh, that's right.
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I did know that.
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And it was super cool.
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It really was super cool.
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It was like just being in one big haunted house.
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Yeah.
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It's a whole town.
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Um, I do want to go to Savannah.
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Savannah's haunted, and there's lots of stuff in Savannah to do.
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Um yeah, a friend of mine actually went to a wedding this summer in Savannah.
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Um, and she said she'd love to go back.
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It was I hear it's really nice.
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It's really cool.
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cool shops yeah lots of cool late I need to I maybe we put that on our list of things to do.
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Yep.
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Yeah because it's that wouldn't be a bad 10 hours from here?
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Yeah absolutely we need a car that works.
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Yeah that's that's the trick of it.
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Yeah and and money.
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Oh that too but as a travel agent you get the good deals I could fake my death in cash in that life insurance policy and then we can go like here's what we're gonna do.
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Make me the beneficiary except then you'd be the one to go to jail for my murder because I went I died or went missing right after I signed over another big mistake people make.
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Changing life insurance policies creating life insurance policies weeks before deaths.
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That would be why I have been investigated for murder yeah another big one I've noticed lately if they're asked if they ask you about your relationship don't say oh it's great we love each other we never fight nobody does that's not true and they know you're no yeah no I fucking hate him half the time that's what exactly yeah that's more believable they'd be like yeah well yeah I hope somebody did kill that fucker.
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Yeah son of a bitch I didn't do it unfortunately somebody beat me to it stole my thunder chance I'll never get again but the and the if the police don't investigate you the um insurance company sure as shit will because I was the beneficiary of a life insurance policy that was only four months old.
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Yep and they made sure that they luckily I was not in this state where was I and it was all for not anyway I just like to get older oh my god I'm frustrating as fuck yeah anyway anyway let's stop okay going on and on let us we're gonna fuck around and find out about product placement in movies oh I know okay so picture this Sicily no leftover from last week it's 1982 you're sitting in a darkened movie theater at popcorn in your lap and an alien a wrinkled luminous impossibly impossible impossibly loved lovable god damn it impossibly lovable extraterrestrial is being lured across a suburban backyard by a trail of small candy coated chocolate pieces the camera lingers on them your eyes follow and in that single quiet cinematic moment Reese's pieces went from a struggling candy brand most Americans had barely heard of to one of the most recognized confections on the planet.
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It is one of the greatest candies of all time I do not care for it.
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You don't like peanut butter though do you I do like peanut butter and I like Reese's peanut butter cups.
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Oh I love Reese's I like to take Reese's pieces and I like to take ten and put five in one cheek and five in the other cheek and hold them there until they melt and then I chew them all together.
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So is it basically peanut butter and chocolate?
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I don't actually it's just peanut butter.
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Oh okay that's why yeah okay so heads up to everyone the MMs which is my favorite of the it's exactly like that like it's the smooth consistency of that chocolate too it's not the crumbly peanut butter like an Aresis cup.
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Okay.
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So the MMs ones look I'm an MM aficionado MMs have been a part of my life since I was uh in the uterus because my father is a big MM eater there is always it's in your DNA there's always a jar of MMs in this house somewhere and I've known you for over 30 years and I can always say that is true.
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Always there is if there's nothing else there is a jar of MMs somewhere in this house.
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He pulls his MMs out of pockets all the time um and I have his van currently and there were tootsie rolls that have now melted because I don't eat them fast enough all over that thing.
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Every time I open a compartment tootsi rolls fall out big tootsie roll fancy so um the M peanut butter MMs not peanut MMs for peanut butter they're in the red I highly recommend that you let them heat up a little bit like in the dash that's what happens with the pieces if you put them on your dash and you let them get melty they pop when you eat them it's fucking amazing.
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Well that's what happens when you put them in your cheeks you don't actually chew them I just kind of put them between the tongue and the roof of my mouth and smash them and yeah they all just pop okay then you're gonna need to put some in your car at work and let them melt.
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Okay.
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And see what and then have them and then you're gonna be like this is this is magic.
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Yeah.
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Anyway back to Reese's we're not this is not about MMs uh that's the magic trick we're gonna talk about today not smoke and mirrors but sneakers and sunglasses candy and twinkies shades perched on Tom Cruise's face and a baby Ruth bar lobbed into a sewer drain.
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We're talking about product placement the art the science and sometimes the sheer dumb luck of getting your brand into right into the right frame at exactly the right cultural moment for those of us that grew up in the 80s and 90s this wasn't advertising it was your childhood it was Saturday afternoons it was VHS rewatches it was the weird intimacy of watching a movie and feeling like the things you love were being reflected back at you on a 40 foot screen products weren't interrupting the story they were the story I know this client like he's literally under the window that we were recording by he said he let me hit the pause on this he said um let's trace the arc of some of the most legendary brand moments in movie history what did those scenes do to those brands and what does it say about us about consumer culture about the strange alchemy of Hollywood that a piece of candy or a pair of sunglasses could become a cultural touchstone so Reese's pieces and in case you didn't know what I was talking about because you were in a box apparently for the last 40 years Reese's pieces and ET mm okay can we just say ET is a fucking sad movie this period I can't watch it it makes me too sad.
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I can't I know he lives spoiler alert I know he lives but that whole him going gray like that that's just it kills me.
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I can't do it and it's not even real and I can't do it I can literally watch real people real crime scene photos because those are my favorite episodes of like the first 48 every time I'm like oh that's real crime scene I can watch that happen all day long.
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Don't feel bad at all but you put a a puppet a puppet that's it can't do it.
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It's the Muppets it's not even an animal like an animal okay because there is a website does the dogdie dot com and that will tell you in every movie if any of the animals die just a heads up for those of you who can't tolerate it.
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Yep I'll get to a movie and as soon as I feel like the animal is about to go I'm like that's it we're done I'm out no I don't care I don't care and so ET.
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That is the only thing that bothers me when I'm watching true crime like I was watching one the other day and the dude had killed his mom and the mom's friend was like well we do rescues for cats and she has a cat in there I need to get in there to get it and the cops went there and the cat wasn't there so they asked the son and he was like I got rid of it I was like no not the cat the one that get me is the birds I'll bet because they're so smart.
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Yeah they know what's going on well I know one was part of a at least one that was part of a crime scene they brought it into to um into court of an African gray because they're they are chatty.
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Yeah and it word for word repeated the murder wow yeah that's amazing it is but they're so you know these people have these birds for 30 years makes me sad.
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Anyway back to a fake thing not real when Steven Spielberg was making ET the extraterrestrial he initially approached Mars the company behind MM's about using their candy in the film and Mars said no fucking stuff on them the Reese's have been debated ever since some say they thought the movie looked too weird.
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Some say they didn't want their product associated with an alien whatever the reason Mars walked away from one of the greatest marketing opportunities in the history of American commerce not that MMs need any help.
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That's true.
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Enter Hershey their relatively new product Reese's pieces a peanut butter candy that had launched in 1978 and was struggling to find its footing got the call.
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Hershey agreed to a promotional tie-in around for around one million in advertising support in return Spielberg used a candy in what would become one of cinema's most iconic sequences young Elliot scatters a trail of Reese's pieces to coax the frightened alien out of the garden shed and into his life case you didn't know there's gonna be a lot of spoiler alerts guys I don't want to ruin everyone's lives the film opened on June 11 1982 I mean if you haven't for real yeah that's on you that is your problem and not mine.
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Within two weeks sales of Reese's pieces had increased by 65%.
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Within months the candy had become a phenomenon Hershey's investment returned itself many times over.
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To this day Reese's pieces is one of the most recognized candies in America and the brand itself has become synonymous with a kind of warm nostalgic cinemat cinematic sweetness that no traditional ad campaign could have manufactured.
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The lesson the industry took from ET was seismic.
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Suddenly studios and brands alike woke up to an entirely new category of marketing one that wasn't interpret interruption but integration one that didn't shout at you from a billboard but whispered to you from the screen you already trusted and here's the thing like go back and watch in the older movies like the eight especially 80s movies it is very prominent in 80s movies.
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Coca-Cola like Pepsi and then watching movies now where nothing is branded right it's crazy yeah to go back and watch and you're like oh look at that and because you get to see the old logos of everything and right that's fun too but like you never notice the difference until you actually do notice that there is a huge difference between 80s movies and their product placement and now there is zero product placement.
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I wonder like speaking of 80s movies this is something I meant to talk about at the top of the show.
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This weekend I did a fun thing and I watched nine to five oh yeah have you watched it lately I did I watched it when Dolly died it is such a good movie it was really good like it's funny because I haven't seen it in years but back then we watched movies 50 million times because we had VCRs so I would actually in scenes I'd know what line was coming next or I'd know what was gonna happen next but I didn't know what how the movie was going to go.
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Like it was weird like my brain was like this seems familiar yeah um but I was laughing my ass off that movie was fantastic like it was and Dolly was just a little baby oh my gosh she was so damn cute.
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It's a good movie yeah yeah it's funny and for its time yeah for the women to yeah yeah it was awesome if if you haven't watched it lately out there crowd I highly recommend it yeah I watched it when Dolly died it was they of course they had it all over yeah hilarious um two years before Maverick got his aviators Tom Cruise was wearing a different pair of Ray-bans in 1983 Risky Business gave us one of the most iconic images in movie history a young Tom Cruise home alone sliding across a hardwood floor in white socks a pink Oxford shirt and a pair of Ray-Ban Wayfarer sunglasses and tidy whiteies yeah do you know I have never seen Risky Business I won't do it I absolutely fucking hate Tom Cruise I do too but his new movie looks good don't care he could have the greatest movie on earth and I would not I've never seen it doesn't look like have you seen the commercials like he has a lot of makeup like they it doesn't look like him he looks like old man nope I know I'm really torn because it looks really good but yeah I can't stand it.
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I hate him although I did love him in Tropic Thunder.
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Nope haven't seen it I literally have maybe seen two maybe three Tom Tom Cruise movies well he's only a small part of it but he is actually funny enough I can't even right now think of any Tom Cruise movies that I have actually watching I'd cocktail because that was restaurant nope I don't think I've seen that one either eyes wide shut I got five minutes into that and I had to turn it off because I was like this is fuck I can't pay attention.
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This is a pay attention I did like the first mission impossible nope never seen it I haven't watched any since I saw the war of the worlds okay and cocktail I think I do believe are probably the only two Tom Cruise movies that I have ever seen.
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That's awesome I just hate him I hate him so much like you know how there's just like somebody my dad's it's Ben Vereen which is a weird thing to he's a weird person to hate but um Ben Veren used to be on a kid's show Zeboomafu.
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Zeboom of right that sounds right yeah yeah and every time he would come on my dad would just be like oh I fucking hate Ben Vereen and it's like okay now that's weird but I get it because anytime Tom Cruise flash I'm like I don't I don't care I don't want to know about it.
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I don't it could be I'm telling you it could be the greatest movie I'm sure Top Gun is great.
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We won't ever see it.
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I will not see it.
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And I've never seen Risky Business um the one thing about the Wayfarer that makes the story remarkable by 1982 the style was essentially dead.
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Ray-Ban had introduced the Wayfarer in 1952 and it had been a cultural staple through the 50s and 60s worn by James Dean, Audrey Hepburn in Breakfast Tiffany's the Blues brothers and the blues brothers but by the late 70s and early 80s the fashion world had moved on.
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Ray-Ban was moving only about 18,000 pairs of Wayfarers per year.
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The style was on the verge of being discontinued and then Tom Cruise put them on and everything changed.
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The year after Risky Business was released Wayfarer sales surged to 3600 pairs.
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By 1988 the number had climbed to four million holy moly.
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Ray Ban struck deals with Hollywood specifically to capitalize on this effect.
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The brand estimated it paid to have its glasses placed in somewhere between 50 and 160 films and TV shows throughout the 80s.
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But risky business was the lightning rod.
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It was the moment where the Wayfair stopped being a relic of previous era and became the definitive eyewear of a generation what made it work wasn't just the placement it was Tom Cruise it was that scene because sliding across a hard wood hard hardwood floor in your socks is the fantasy of every kid who's ever had a home to himself for the first time.
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Glasses weren't just glasses they were the costume of freedom they said when no one is watching this is who I am an entire generation of teenagers looked at that screen and thought I want to be that they were very popular sunglasses.
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Yes if the Wayfarer was about coal the Ray Ban aviator and Top Gun was about to be something bigger.
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It was about mythology.
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When Top Gun came out in 1986 it wasn't just a movie it was a cultural event.
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Directed by Tony Scott and produced with significant collaboration from the U.S.
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Navy the film was practically a two-hour recruiting advertisement wrapped in a love story and a volleyball sequence.
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At the center of it all was Pete Maverick Mitchell played by Cruz again with Ray-Bans.
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This time the gold framed aviators that had been developed in the 30s for military pilots.
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The aviators in Top Gun were already a military associated style so the fit felt natural almost inevitable but the effect was extraordinary.
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Within a year of the film's release Ray-Band's aviator sales had jumped by 40% more than that the style became permanently encoded in American pop culture as the eyewear of choice for anyone who wanted to project danger confidence and a certain casual mastery of every situation.
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Top Gun didn't just sell sunglasses it sold an archetype the cocky pilot the leather jacket the aviators at the bridge of the nose it was a look an attitude a whole aesthetic ecosystem it was I swear to god your dad is just riding in circles around under this window like he's been home all day he did go on his bike it's worth pausing to appreciate what Ray Ban managed to accomplish in the decade of the 80s using two different films two different characters and two different styles the brand effectively owned cinematic cool in a way that no advertising company has replicated before or since the Wayfarer for the rebellious kid and the aviator for the hero together they covered the entire emotional spectrum of what it meant to be effortlessly aspirationally stylish in Reagan era America.
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Yeah Ray Band is definitely the only I think sunglass brand I could name I don't I don't know it that's not a thing.
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No to know your well not for us no maybe fancy people.
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Maybe people who can afford Ray-Bands I had I had pairs because people would leave them at the restaurant and never come get them and so then they became mine.
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But you know wasn't all it was also not my scene no in 1982 the same year E.T.
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was changing the candy aisle another film was changing what was on America's feet Fast Time at Ridgemont High, Amy Heckerlin's sharp, funny surprisingly tender portrait of California teacher teenagers featured a character who had become one of cinema's most beloved icons Jeff Spicoli, the perpetually stoned ocean obsessed surfer dude played by a very young Sean Penn.
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Spicoli wore vans specifically the classic van slip on with a checkerboard pattern that had become popular in Southern California's skate and surf culture through the late 70s.
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In the context of the film the shoes weren't a statement they were just what Spacoli wore the way his wardrobe was inseparable from his whole vibe, Hawaiian shirt vans a permanent expression of sun adult serenity.
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The authenticity was total but the effect on vans was transformational.
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The brand which had been founded in 1966 and was primarily a regional California label suddenly had national visibility.
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Teenagers across the country who had never set foot on a skateboard or within 500 miles of a Southern California beach wanted those shoes.
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The checkerboard slip-on became one of the defining accessories of 80s youth culture a signal that you were plugged in that you understood the vibe that you were at least aspirationally as relaxed and unflappable as Jeff Spicoli.
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What makes the van's story particularly interesting is what it reveals about product placement and authenticity.
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Vans didn't engineer that moment in a boardroom the brand was simply there genuinely embedded in a culture that the filmmakers were drawing from the placement worked precisely because it wasn't placement in the mercenary sense it was documentation and when audiences respond to it so powerfully it pointed towards something that every great piece of pop culture product integration has in common the brand has to belong in the world of the story.
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The moment it feels imported the magic evaporates yeah and those black and white checker I think they're still the ones that everybody will wear.
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:31.440
Now my first pair of vans were purple checkered high tops because just because yeah I have to be different.
00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:44.719
I can't wear I had a pair of vans um you still wear bands a few years ago and Converse as well they're too flat and I have high arches and now I'm old and it really really hurts my feet.
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I literally have a pair of Chuck Taylors at home and I have um leopard print high top bands at home my last bands a few years ago were the the tie up ones but the black with the white on the side
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But um yeah.
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I mean I guess I could get inserts, but wearing those flat shoes is brutal.
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Yeah.
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I just can't let go of my brands from well, you'll sacrifice your feet for shoes.
00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:15.519
I mean, I haven't been vlogging around in those motherfuckers.
00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:17.840
You were just complaining about the heavy shoes.
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They are so heavy.
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:24.079
It's so funny because I actually on Facebook a cute pair of Docs Mary Janes popped up today.
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And I was like, ooh.
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And then I was like, no, Heather says they're heavy.
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They are heavy.
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I'm not, they're too heavy.
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That's like wearing weights.
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Yeah.
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I'm good.
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I can't let them go.
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I can't let them go.
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And I can't let Vans go.
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And I can't let Chuck Taylors go.
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But they're all built.
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I also have I also have um Adidas, pink shell top.
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Yes.
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I love Adidas.
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I'm trying to think of if I have any other ones.
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I don't think I do.
00:44:56.800 --> 00:44:58.960
I might have more than one pair of vans, though.
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Yeah.
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I think I I have a pair of white leather Adidas right now and a pair of white leather Pumas.
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Don't I never had Pumas.
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Yeah.
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I just happened to randomly find these in a shoe store and they were super cute and comfy, and I was like, okay.
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I go, I'll go to the Adidas store for my Adidas.
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I still got the gun.
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They're pink though.
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Because I can't do I'm telling you.
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I can't do it.
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I have to be weird.
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I have to be different.
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Even if it kills your feet.
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Even if it kills my feet.
00:45:33.920 --> 00:45:37.039
I got Doc Martins that I wear to work, and they're not boots, guys.
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They're displaying shoes and they weigh 400 pounds and they are bright ass pink.
00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:43.119
Yeah, they're super, super cute.
00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:44.880
But they look heavy even to look at.
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Yeah.
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So the heel, the soul was bumpy.
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I'm too fragile.
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I'm not tough like you.
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You gotta do what you gotta do.
00:45:56.800 --> 00:46:02.239
The Goonies is, to a certain generation, less a film than a founding document.
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Released in 1985, directed by Richard Donner from a story by Steven Spielberg.
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It's the movie that a generation of Watchkey kids claimed as their own.
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The story of a group of suburban misfits who go looking for private treasure and find along the way something more important about friendship and loyalty and the courage it takes to hold up.
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Hold on to a childhood when the adult world is trying to pry it from your fingers.
00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:27.039
Quick question.
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Yeah.
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Is your mom making pizza?
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Because I swear I can smell pizza.
00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:32.079
I don't know.
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Maybe.
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I really hope when we go downstairs there's pizza.
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Into this beautifully crafted adventure, someone inserted a baby Ruth bar.
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Chunk, the lovable, neurotic, oversharing member of the Goonies, is practically defined by food.
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And in the film's most memorable comic moment, he attempts to communicate with Sloth, the monstrous yet gentle Fratelli brother, through the universal language of chocolate and caramel and peanuts.
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He holds up a baby Ruth.
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Sloth's eyes go wide.
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In that moment, the candy bar becomes a symbol of connection, a bridge between two outsiders who find each other across a gulf of difference.
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The reference itself was almost certainly a wink to a much older gag, the infamous baby Ruth floating in the pool scene from Caddyshack five years earlier, which had cemented the candy and the cultural lexicon in an entirely different, far less heartwarming way.
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But the Goonies rehabilitated Baby Ruth, gave it warmth and heart, and wrapped it in some the some the same nostalgic affection that the film as a whole generated in every kid who watched it.
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The brand didn't need a turnaround story here.
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What it got was something more lasting, embedding.
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Baby Ruth became inseparable from a specific emotional memory, the memory of being young and frightened and exhilarated and surrounded by your people.
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That's marketing you can't buy.
00:47:56.000 --> 00:47:58.639
That's the gift cinema sometimes just hand you.
00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:04.079
Um oh Nicole also, well, you're not getting a diary entry because somebody forgot her diary.
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I did.
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Just tune in next to me.
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My bad.
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Yeah.
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Some brands get one cinematic moment, Twinkie's got two, separated by 26 years and a zombie apocalypse.
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In Ghostbusters in 1984, Dr.
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Egon Spengler uses a Twinkie as an analogy to explain the unprecedented scale of psychokinetic energy building beneath New York City.
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This Twinkie represents the normal amount of psychokinetic energy in the New York area, according to this morning's sample.
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It would be a Twinkie 35 feet long, weighing approximately 600 pounds.
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It was one of the funniest lines in the film, and it lodged the Twinkie into the vernacular of supernatural comedy in a way that re resonated for decades.
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The gag worked partly because of the Twinkie's existing reputation as a kind of immortal, indestructible snack.
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The urban legend that Twinkies last forever, playing perfectly against the idea of unstoppable ancient panorama forces.
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Have you had a Twinkie lately?
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I have.
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And I was going to tell you that when we were kids, they were so good.
00:49:10.719 --> 00:49:12.480
They literally taste like preservatives.
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Yes.
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Like they are not good.
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It feels like a preservative.
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Makes me sad.
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:19.679
The cream is some weird texture.
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Yeah, the cake is terrible.
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Yeah.
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It's stale.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's a shame.
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Yeah.
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Kids these days don't know.
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No.
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Then came Zombieland in 2009, which picked up that exact mythology and ran with it.
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In the post-apocalyptic road movie, Columbus, Jesse Eisenberg's anxious, rule obsessed survivor, has a running obsession with finding the last Twinkies on Earth.
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Convinced that the snack's legendary shelf life means that some must have survived the end of civilization.
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The Twinkie functions in Zombieland almost as a symbol of pre-apocalyptic normalcy.
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The small, packaged, artificially preserved comfort of the world that was.
00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:00.559
Zombieland is a really good movie.
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I don't think I've seen it.
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Here's where the story takes a stranger turn.
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In 2012, Hostess, the company that made Twinkies, declared bankruptcy and announced it was shutting down.
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America panicked.
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People stockpiled Twinkies.
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And in the cultural conversation around the brand's potential extinction, Ghostbusters in Zombieland were cited repeatedly.
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The films have given Twinkies a pop culture half-life that outlasted the company itself.
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When Twinkies returned under new ownership in 2013, the comeback was celebrated with genuine public warmth.
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The the kind of snack cake with less cinematic history could never have garnered.
00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:41.599
I think everything from hostess is gross, though.
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No.
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Well, okay.
00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:46.000
So here's the thing, guys.
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Their many powdered donuts are good.
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We're biased over here.
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Yeah, yeah, true, true, true.
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Because we've always had tasty cakes.
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Yes.
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:57.599
And y'all are getting tasty cakes, but those are not the tasty cakes that we know.
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Right.
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Yeah, tasty cakes, same thing as Twinkies.
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Yes.
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I mean, they're fine.
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They're good.
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They're still good.
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They're they're they're not that extreme.
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Yeah.
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But the tasty cakes we ate as kids were way, way, way better.
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Yes.
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The when when they used to come in wax paper and you couldn't only get them within so many miles of Philadelphia, they were that's hers potato chips.
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Yes.
00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:27.599
Red bag hers, hands down my favorite potato chips.
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Their barbecue is my favorite barbecue chip of all the barbecue chips.
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It's not, I mean, yeah.
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Because it's salty, like it's supposed to be.
00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:38.639
Too many barbecue chips make them sweet.
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Yeah.
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I don't like it when you make things that are supposed to be salty, sweet.
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All right.
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Like, don't put grapes and strawberries in salad.
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Like yeah, different.
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Those two don't, yeah, no.
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No mandarin oranges, none of that business.
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I don't even want walnuts in my salad.
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I don't either.
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Keep your nuts to yourself.
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:01.440
I was watching a TikTok this.
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I was watching a TikTok the other day, and the guy starts his TikTok off with, I'm the pickiest eater on the planet.
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And I was like, no, you aren't.
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And what he ate a raspberry.
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I'm like, right there, you are not.
00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:15.760
I already have known that you are not.
00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:18.400
He's like, I'm today I'm gonna try a raspberry.
00:52:18.480 --> 00:52:21.679
And I was like, I will never I don't even eat raspberries.
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:22.880
No, they're hairy.
00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:28.639
Yeah, and the seeds like it's too I it's I don't know because I've never had one because they're hairy and I can't get it.
00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:29.920
No, you're exactly right.
00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:31.760
And you can't tell if one's good or not.
00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:34.639
So you might get it in your mouth and it's like mushy in your life.
00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:36.320
Um I like blackberries.
00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:38.000
I like raspberry flavored things.
00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:39.840
I don't I do like blackberries.
00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:44.480
I would never so I I wanted to comment and be like, no, you're not.
00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:48.960
Because I'm 52 and have never put a raspberry in my face.
00:52:49.519 --> 00:52:50.400
And never will.
00:52:50.800 --> 00:52:55.280
I will go to the grave confident that I have never eaten a raspberry.
00:52:56.639 --> 00:52:57.840
Nor a blueberry.
00:52:58.079 --> 00:52:59.519
Oh, no blueberries?
00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:01.039
No, they're purple.
00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:02.960
I don't eat purple.
00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:05.199
I think you would like blueberries.
00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:05.920
That's a shame.
00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:07.599
They're not sweet.
00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:10.880
Every time the bird, the bird eats them.
00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:12.719
She loves them, but blueberries, yeah.
00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:13.280
You can't.
00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:17.360
They're purple on the outside and then a weird flesh color on the inside, and I don't like that.
00:53:17.920 --> 00:53:18.880
That's not right.
00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:20.400
So you don't eat grapes.
00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:21.280
I green crap.
00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:22.000
Green grapes.
00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:22.400
Okay.
00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:23.920
Cotton candy grapes.
00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:24.960
Fucking god.
00:53:25.519 --> 00:53:25.840
I love them.
00:53:26.159 --> 00:53:28.320
As I was saying, I was like, I know she eats grapes.
00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:29.679
Yeah, cotton candy green.
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:31.039
Nope, don't eat the purple ones.
00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:31.760
Gotcha.
00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:33.039
Okay.
00:53:33.440 --> 00:53:36.559
Uh technically, this is older.
00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:39.360
Harold and Kumar go to White Castle.
00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:39.760
Oh.
00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:46.880
Is on one level a stoner comedy about two friends on a munchies fueled quest.
00:53:47.039 --> 00:53:59.199
On another level, and this is what makes it genuinely significant, it's one of the sharpest pieces of commentary on identity, assimilation, and the immigrant experience in mainstream American cinema of its era.
00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:04.480
The fact that it comes wrapped in sliders and bottomless appetite only makes it sharper.
00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:08.400
For White Castle, the film was an X unexpected windfall.
00:54:08.559 --> 00:54:16.559
The chain, one of America's oldest fast food brands, had a footprint concentrated in the Midwest and Mid-Atlantic states, although we don't have one here.
00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:18.239
And I've never been to a White Castle.
00:54:18.559 --> 00:54:20.000
They are huge in Jersey.
00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:21.519
Jersey, that's yes.
00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:28.480
And I spent my life growing up in Jersey, so I spent my life eating growing up eating uh White Castles, and they are incredible.
00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:29.199
Oh God.
00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:32.400
And yeah, I don't understand why we don't have one here.
00:54:32.719 --> 00:54:36.320
It was largely invisible to the coastal cultural conversations.
00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:39.920
Well, that would be why because I did when actually when I went to St.
00:54:40.079 --> 00:54:41.599
Louis, there was a White Castle.
00:54:41.840 --> 00:54:45.679
And one of the one of my co-workers that I traveled with, she's from Jersey.
00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:49.920
So she took uh and we had talked about how much we love them.
00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:54.800
Uh one day in the afternoon, she took a um a ride share.
00:54:55.440 --> 00:55:00.559
Uber, yes, to um to the White Castle, and she came back and she brought me to.
00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:01.920
Oh I know.
00:55:04.159 --> 00:55:07.039
Uh Harold and Kumar changed that overnight.
00:55:07.119 --> 00:55:12.800
The movie didn't just advertise White Castle, it elevated it to into a destination, a symbol, a holy grail.
00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:20.480
The chain reported significant sales increase in the wake of the film's release, and more importantly, it acquired a new kind of brand identity.
00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:23.920
Irreverent, beloved, cult certified.
00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:27.199
And they do still taste just the same as they did when I was a kid.
00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:27.840
Yes.
00:55:28.239 --> 00:55:35.840
What's particularly interesting here is that White Castle embraced the film's absurdist counterculture energy rather than trying to sanitize it.
00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:49.039
The chain leaned into its new reputation, eventually selling sliders at retail, partnering with the franchise for later installments, and generally positioning itself as one in on the joke.
00:55:49.199 --> 00:55:55.039
The fast food brand that got the most out of a movie, Stoner Culture, did it by having a sense of humor about itself.
00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:58.559
That's a lesson the marketing world would do well to take more seriously.
00:55:58.719 --> 00:55:59.840
You know who else does that?
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:00.960
Taco Bell.
00:56:01.119 --> 00:56:01.519
Mm-hmm.
00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:03.760
They fully lean into what they are.
00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:04.880
Yeah, they do.
00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:13.039
I think I mentioned on here before, but I did a White Castle um destination birthday once, yes.
00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:23.280
Um, it was only a few years after I married my second husband, and it was my birthday, and the closest White Castle was in North Jersey.
00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:26.559
It was three and a half hours away, and that's what I wanted for lunch.
00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:28.400
So we drove up there.
00:56:28.480 --> 00:56:29.599
He had never had them before.
00:56:29.679 --> 00:56:32.559
He took one bite and thought it was the most disgusting thing he had ever eaten.
00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:35.599
I've had them from the freezer section of the grocery store.
00:56:35.920 --> 00:56:37.119
No, I don't buy the freezer ones.
00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:38.079
I've never tried one.
00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:38.800
I never want to.
00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:40.000
I've never had a real one.
00:56:40.159 --> 00:56:40.960
Oh gosh.
00:56:41.199 --> 00:56:42.159
In real life.
00:56:42.639 --> 00:56:44.000
We'll have to add that to the list of things.
00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:44.880
Man, we're just gonna do it.
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:46.079
I think you would like it.
00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:47.039
I'm sure I would.
00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:48.159
It's a cheeseburger.
00:56:48.400 --> 00:56:51.039
I don't get cheese online, but I that they are.
00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:58.960
I grew up just eating the it's just a pickle, the fried onions, the patty, and the button.
00:56:59.119 --> 00:56:59.360
That's it.
00:56:59.679 --> 00:57:02.880
I will gladly pay you tomorrow for a cheeseburger today.
00:57:03.119 --> 00:57:04.480
It's pay you Tuesday.
00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:05.440
Pay you Tuesday.
00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:06.400
I'll though it's tomorrow.
00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:10.239
Either way, I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.
00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:12.239
I will gladly pay whatever.
00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:14.400
I love that's my food.
00:57:15.039 --> 00:57:23.199
I don't know if I said this before, but I had a book as a kid where the kid, it was a bunny, turned into a cheeseburger because he ate some of my cheeseburgers.
00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:25.840
His head turned into a cheeseburger.
00:57:26.079 --> 00:57:28.559
My mom got me that book specifically.
00:57:29.920 --> 00:57:34.159
Because everyone was gonna say you're gonna turn into a cheeseburger one day.
00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:35.039
I haven't yet.
00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:38.159
No, I I eat cheeseburgers pretty regularly.
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:39.599
You do, you do.
00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:41.599
It's just a safe food.
00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:42.239
It is.
00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:44.559
I mean, you can't go anywhere without finding a burger.
00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:46.559
Yeah, and it's really hard to screw enough.
00:57:47.360 --> 00:57:51.199
I mean, of course, there are good ones and there are not so great ones, but it's like pizza.
00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:51.920
It's like pizza.
00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:54.400
I've had one pizza in my life that I literally couldn't eat.
00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:55.199
Like me too.
00:57:55.360 --> 00:57:56.400
It was so disgusting.
00:57:56.480 --> 00:57:58.079
It was somewhere up in Wilmington.
00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:02.559
Oh, mine was at uh when I took your kids to um Chuck E.
00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:02.960
Cheese.
00:58:03.519 --> 00:58:04.400
I like Chuck E's.
00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:05.840
Oh, I can't do it.
00:58:06.159 --> 00:58:07.840
I let them eat it all.
00:58:08.559 --> 00:58:10.719
And then I said, We're never coming back here.
00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:11.119
Yeah.
00:58:11.360 --> 00:58:13.519
Well, your daughter kind of helped with that too.
00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:15.599
She didn't Chucky came out.
00:58:16.159 --> 00:58:18.400
I just made a clever for that like a month ago.
00:58:18.559 --> 00:58:20.480
I was like, remember the time you climbed onto the table?
00:58:20.559 --> 00:58:21.519
She's like, Shut up now.
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:26.000
Because Chucky came out to sing to a different group of kids that were having a party.
00:58:26.559 --> 00:58:27.519
She climbed onto the table.
00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:30.800
Her middle daughter has a real issue with real phobia.
00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:31.039
Yeah.
00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:32.639
She cried her whole way through Disney.
00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:33.360
Yeah.
00:58:33.679 --> 00:58:34.719
It's pretty sad.
00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:37.920
Uh I only have a couple more though.
00:58:38.079 --> 00:58:38.320
Okay.
00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:40.480
This one is in 1995.
00:58:40.719 --> 00:58:51.280
Pixar changed animation forever, and along the way, it quietly demonstrated something fascinating about product placement in a context where every single element of the frame is deliberate creative choice.
00:58:51.440 --> 00:58:57.119
Toy Story is set in a world where toys are alive, and the toys Pixar chose were not random.
00:58:57.440 --> 00:58:58.880
Etch a sketch, Mr.
00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:02.239
Potato Head, Slinky Dog, The Bucket of Green Army Men.
00:59:02.559 --> 00:59:09.039
These were carefully selected real world brands, and their inclusion required negotiation and licensing.
00:59:09.280 --> 00:59:14.000
But more than that, each one was deployed with wit and specif specificity.
00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:14.719
Mr.
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:21.760
Potato Head, voiced by Don Rickles, is vain, wisecracking, and deeply proud of his interchangeable parts.
00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:27.039
A perfect comic deployment of the brand's real world identity as a customizable toy.
00:59:27.280 --> 00:59:30.320
Etchasketch appeared as a device for communication.
00:59:30.639 --> 00:59:36.639
Its impermanent lines used to send a message in the story's climax.
00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:40.719
These weren't passive placements, the brands were characters.
00:59:40.880 --> 00:59:48.800
They had agency, personality, dramatic function, and the effect was a kind of brand rehabilitation for products that had been around for decades.
00:59:49.039 --> 00:59:51.440
Etch a sketch since 1960, Mr.
00:59:51.519 --> 00:59:57.280
Potato Head since 1952, but had begun to feel like artifacts of an older childhood.
00:59:57.599 --> 01:00:02.960
Tori's story didn't just remind audiences that these toys existed and made them love them again.
01:00:03.199 --> 01:00:06.000
Sales of both products spiked after the film's release.
01:00:06.159 --> 01:00:14.239
A generation of parents who had grown up with these toys bought them for their own children, completing a nostalgic loop that the film had deliberately constructed.
01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:16.559
Did you say that movie came out in 95?
01:00:16.719 --> 01:00:17.039
Yeah.
01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:17.760
Damn.
01:00:17.920 --> 01:00:18.320
I know.
01:00:18.559 --> 01:00:19.440
I had no idea.
01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:20.320
I know.
01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:23.679
I learned something fascinating.
01:00:23.840 --> 01:00:31.039
It's gonna be my next episode, so I'm not gonna tell you what it is, but I learned an interesting that I did not know today.
01:00:32.079 --> 01:00:39.039
My work bestie asked me we were talking about something, and this subject came up, and he said, When did that start?
01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:41.519
And I was blown away by the year it started.
01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:44.559
I was significantly off.
01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:46.800
I was like, oh, probably the 90s.
01:00:47.039 --> 01:00:47.840
Wrong.
01:00:48.559 --> 01:00:50.159
That's gonna be my next episode, though.
01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:50.559
Okay.
01:00:50.719 --> 01:00:53.920
Uh the Toy Store model would become enormously influential.
01:00:54.079 --> 01:01:01.760
The idea that animation could be a premium vehicle for brand integration, especially for products aimed at children and the parents who buy for them.
01:01:01.920 --> 01:01:08.559
But the key insight is that it only worked because Pixar never let the commercial reality compromise the creative one.
01:01:09.280 --> 01:01:15.280
The brands were in service of the story, and that, in the end, is the cardinal rule of effective product placement in cinema.
01:01:17.679 --> 01:01:22.960
David Lynch's Blue Velvet in 1986 is not a film you associate with warm brand moments.
01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:32.719
It's a disturbing, hallucinatory, deeply unsettling excavation of the violence and perversion lurking beneath the manicured surface of American suburbia.
01:01:33.039 --> 01:01:39.760
It is also unexpectedly the film that launched Paps Blue Ribbon into a decades-long counterculture renaissance.
01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:43.760
I didn't know PBR got its launch from there.
01:01:44.079 --> 01:01:51.280
In one of the film's most charged scenes, Frank Booth, Dennis Hopper's terrifying, unpredictable antagonist, delivers a monologue about beer.
01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:52.960
Heineken, he smarles.
01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:54.079
Fuck that shit.
01:01:54.320 --> 01:01:55.679
Paps Blue Ribbon.
01:01:55.840 --> 01:02:01.360
It's an act of aggressive, almost violent brand loyalty, and it comes from the film's most menacing character.
01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:06.239
By any conventional marketing logic, this should have been catastrophic for the brand.
01:02:06.400 --> 01:02:14.239
A murderous, oxygen huffing sociopath as your spokesman, is probably not what most CMOs are looking for.
01:02:14.559 --> 01:02:17.920
What happened instead was that PBR became iconic.
01:02:18.159 --> 01:02:26.960
The bar, the beer had been in decline for years, a working class lager that had lost its footing as the American beer market fragmented and went up market.
01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:35.360
But Blue Velvet gave PBR an association with transgression, with authenticity, with the rejection of mainstream taste.
01:02:35.519 --> 01:02:41.440
Frank Booth chose PBR over Heineken, not despite his menace, but as an extension of it.
01:02:41.599 --> 01:02:48.159
And a generation of artists, musicians, filmmakers, and self-consciously anti-establishment drinkers took the cue.
01:02:48.400 --> 01:02:54.559
By the late 90s and early 2000s, Paps Blue Ribbon was the unofficial beer of hipster culture.
01:02:54.800 --> 01:03:00.880
A cheap, unpretentious, and carrying a faint, beautiful whiff of David Lynch's damaged American dream.
01:03:01.519 --> 01:03:06.559
It is perhaps the most counterintuitive product placement success story in cinema history.
01:03:06.719 --> 01:03:15.840
The brand didn't pay for it, didn't plan for it, didn't endorse it, and yet Blue Velvet saved Pap's Blue Ribbon, or at least gave its cultural permission to save itself.
01:03:16.320 --> 01:03:18.159
Yeah, and PBR is still huge.
01:03:18.400 --> 01:03:26.480
Like if I don't go to a lot of bars now, but a few years back, places would have PBR for like a dollar.
01:03:26.639 --> 01:03:28.880
You could get like a can for a buck.
01:03:29.119 --> 01:03:32.639
The only other one that hipsters like better, I think, is Natty Light.
01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:33.039
Yeah.
01:03:33.440 --> 01:03:36.559
That one has taken over, but PBR still has its place.
01:03:36.800 --> 01:03:38.000
I don't like beer.
01:03:39.519 --> 01:03:40.079
I do.
01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:41.119
I know.
01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:42.400
I know you do.
01:03:43.840 --> 01:03:45.440
So what do we make of all this?
01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:57.599
What does it mean that a candy trail, pair of sunglasses, a snack cake, fast food chain, a toy, and a cheap beer can be transformed permanently, indelibly by the appearance in the night in the right film at the right moment?
01:03:57.840 --> 01:03:59.840
Part of the answer is simply about attention.
01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:08.000
Movies command a kind of focused, willing, emotionally open at emotionally open attention that no other medium can quite replicate.
01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:18.000
When you're sitting in a theater or curled up in front of a VHS tip tape at eleven o'clock on a Friday, you are in the story in a way that makes everything within it feel real and meaningful.
01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:21.760
A product in that context inherits some of the story's reality.
01:04:21.920 --> 01:04:26.079
It stops being an advertisement and becomes an artifact of a world you believe in.
01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:28.480
But the deeper answer is about identity.
01:04:28.639 --> 01:04:38.000
The product that worked, the ones that became cultural cornerstones rather than footnotes worked because they told us something about who the characters were and by extension who we were.
01:04:38.239 --> 01:04:43.199
The Wayfarers told you Tom Cruise was cool in a very specific, effortless, sun-drenched way.
01:04:43.360 --> 01:04:47.840
The Vans told you Sean Penn understood something about life that your parents didn't.
01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:52.079
The Reese's Pieces told you Elliot was a sweet kid with good instincts.
01:04:52.239 --> 01:04:57.519
The PBR told you that Frank Booth rejected your consensus reality entirely.
01:04:58.880 --> 01:05:00.400
We are what we consume.
01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:01.440
We always have been.
01:05:01.599 --> 01:05:19.679
And the 80s and 90s, with their proliferating consumer landscape, their brand saturated pop culture, their Gen X audience of media savvy, advertising aware, slightly cynical but deeply passionate moviegoers, were the crucible in which product placement evolved from a clumsy commercial tactic into something approaching an art form.
01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:24.559
The brands that understood this or were lucky enough to stumble into it didn't just get sale bumps.
01:05:24.639 --> 01:05:30.639
They got meaning, they got decades of cultural resonance, they got to live inside the memories of a generation.
01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:33.280
Not bad for a 35-foot twinkie.
01:05:34.559 --> 01:05:41.599
But yeah, I mean, I'm telling you, this is actually why I wanted to do this because I forget what movie I had put on.
01:05:41.760 --> 01:05:43.920
And I was like, wow, that's a lot of brand.
01:05:44.239 --> 01:05:51.920
Like that is a lot of brand placement because it was just like bam, like a can of coke right there.
01:05:52.079 --> 01:06:05.119
And it was, and I was like, and I and I think it was like Domino's and like and then they went through a phase I remember in movies where it would look like that product, but it would have like a different label.
01:06:05.440 --> 01:06:06.000
Yeah, yeah.
01:06:06.320 --> 01:06:07.199
Or pizza.
01:06:07.440 --> 01:06:08.000
Yeah.
01:06:08.239 --> 01:06:08.880
Yeah.
01:06:09.119 --> 01:06:10.320
But now they don't even do that.
01:06:10.639 --> 01:06:20.320
I think what movie it was I was watching, but it was like they were holding a can of Coke and then they opened like a Domino's pizza box, and it was like totally it was unnecessary.
01:06:20.480 --> 01:06:22.559
It was completely unnecessary.
01:06:23.360 --> 01:06:26.559
But I mean, and now, and then I that's what got me thinking.
01:06:26.639 --> 01:06:28.559
I was like, you know, they just don't do that anymore.
01:06:29.039 --> 01:06:30.480
Nothing has a brand on it anymore.
01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:31.039
Nope.
01:06:31.199 --> 01:06:34.960
I never even really realized it until you talked about it.
01:06:35.199 --> 01:06:40.800
And then, oh, if you watch The Shining, literally just walls of advertisement.
01:06:41.039 --> 01:06:42.159
I almost watched that the other night.
01:06:42.320 --> 01:06:42.880
I love the fucking show.
01:06:43.119 --> 01:06:45.360
It keeps popping up on my home page in October.
01:06:46.239 --> 01:06:47.360
My fire stick.
01:06:47.440 --> 01:06:49.199
So yeah, because it's October.
01:06:49.760 --> 01:06:50.960
I'll watch it at some point.
01:06:51.199 --> 01:06:51.760
That's a good movie.
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I love it.
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I know.
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Anyway, yeah.
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So I that's what gave me the idea because I was I was like, that is and then I was like, I'm gonna do on product placement, like why they did it then and why they didn't.
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And then the first thing when I Googled like produce product placement was Reese's pieces and how Reese's was going under, and that saved it.
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And I was like, I wonder how much then I went down.
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And we all got to uh benefit from it to go down the rabbit hole with me.
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Thank you.
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Yeah, that was fun.
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Yeah, I thought it was kind of fun.
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It was.
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I'm still not gonna eat Reese's pieces.
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I'll eat them for you.
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Okay.
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I was eating Boston baked beans at my uh desk today.
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Ew.
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Gosh, I love those things.
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I had to put them away.
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Like I couldn't stop.
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No.
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Oh, they're so new.
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No.
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Some of the yeah, no.
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It's going down like that rabbit hole of old candy and how it's not around anymore.
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And like candy cigarettes, obviously, they don't have anymore.
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But I like the bubblegum ones because they blew smoke.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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Weird.
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We're weird.
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And then I started smoking, so yeah.
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Thanks, candy cigarettes.
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Thanks.
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Anyway, thanks for listening.
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You'd think by now that I would have come up with these.
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I know, especially on your own week.
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I know.
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And I don't think of it until this exact moment.
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All right.
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Mm's are speechless.
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That's a good one.
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