Ep 327: Interview w/Lance Guest from “Halloween II” (1981) & “Jaws: The Revenge”

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Hello and welcome to Happy Horror Time. My name is
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Tim Murdock.
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And my name is Matt Emmert. Now, today's special guest
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has starred in two of the most iconic horror franchises
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of all time. First, he played Jimmy, the sweet paramedic
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with a crush on Laurie Strode in 1981's Halloween II.
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Then he went on to play Michael, the elder son
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of the Brody family in 1987's Jaws, The Revenge. And
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outside of horror, he's beloved for his breakout role in
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1984's The Last Starfighter, which just so happened to be
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directed by the original Michael Myers himself, Nick Castle. We
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are so excited to welcome to the show Lance Guest.
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Hello.
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How's it going?
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I'm, I'm, I'm well, I'm well. Sun's out. Air's clean.
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That is a great attitude. So, you know, just jumping
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right into, into Halloween too, which I know was your
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first feature film. What was the audition process like for
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the role of Jimmy?
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Um, it was early in the morning. Um, I was unaware.
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I hadn't seen the first Halloween. Um, and, uh, it was, uh,
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So I showed up at eight 30 in the morning
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and I drove over the hill into Burbank and there
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was snow on the mountains, which was really weird for LA. And, uh,
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you know, it's a little bit like, you know, eight
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30 is a little early to be auditioning. And, uh,
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I went into this little tiny office. It was pumpkin
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pie productions. And there, I guess they were, they were
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working under like an independent, uh, name, even though it
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was a universal release, it was, it was still pumpkin
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pie productions. And it was, you know, there might've been
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two or three, maybe two rooms in it, very small building.
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It wasn't like going to a big studio. And I
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met the director and I met Debra and John, I believe,
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and Jamie. And that was it. And Jamie was like
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super chipper. It was 8.30 in the morning. She was
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just like, hey, how you doing? You know? And I
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just did my little spiel. I did my little, my spot.
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I love that you met Jamie Lee Curtis in your
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first audition. You read with her in that first audition.
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Wow.
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You know, it's funny because Jimmy in this film has
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the most scenes with Jamie Lee Curtis, who at that time,
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of course, had starred in a number of horror films.
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What was she like to work with on this film?
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And did you get the sense that she kind of
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had a lot of pride in the Halloween series?
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Yeah, yeah. I mean, she had done a few horror movies.
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She did like, you know, The Fog and The Heterotrain
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and things like that. But this, I mean, this was
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kind of her, one of her big things when she started.
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And she's, I mean, the thing I always say about
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her is that Laurie Strode is really nothing like her.
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I mean, she's really, her maintenance of the sort of serious,
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like not, extroverted, very sort of introverted kind of wallflower
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that Laurie Strode was. She was completely committed to that.
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And then off set, she's just that big personality that
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you always see. So I always thought that was really
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kind of remarkable. But it was my first feature film.
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I thought, OK, well, yeah, she's playing that part. So
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she's going to be like that. But it's amazing how
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many people are not. But she's a very different person
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than Laurie Strode.
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So even back then, she was the big personality that
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she is now.
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Absolutely. I mean, it's totally authentic. I mean, it's not
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like she's not, it's not put on or anything. I mean, she's,
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that's who she is.
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That's awesome. You know, perhaps your most memorable scene in
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the film was when you find poor nurse Alves with
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all her blood drained and you slip and fall back
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on your head and this huge pool of blood. So
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how did they film this scene? And did you do
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that fall yourself?
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Uh, well, we did it in, uh, let's see, three cuts. Um, um,
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let's see, the first cut was me, they put a,
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you know, with stunt work, they put a mattress out
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of frame. So I did this thing where I, all
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you have to do is, you know, just slide and
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then follow my back, right? So there's some of me
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doing that, but you don't, all you see me is
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kind of a piece of me. You don't actually, you just,
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and I fall out of frame, obviously. Then they had
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a stunt guy do it. And he literally, you know,
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put the pads on and he, you know, he actually
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fell up, bam, hit the ground. Charlie, Charlie Brewer, I
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think is his name. Yeah. And he, then they came
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in really close with me. So like, here's the frame.
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And I sat into it. I'm 20 years old and
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never done this before. I sat into it and fell
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with my head. Well, we had a concrete floor that
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we were working on So, uh, they'd put it like
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a piece of masonite or something or something that wasn't concrete,
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but it wasn't soft because it would have been weird
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for me to go, uh, you know, you got to
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get that, you know? So I just full on just fell,
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you know, I just really, really ran, you know, rang
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my bell and the stunt, the stunt coordinator Dick was like,
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Oh God, I wish you hope he didn't. I didn't
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mean for him to do that. Um, He's great, though.
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Dick was great because Dick was Michael Myers in our
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version of it. Again, nobody could be farther from a
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serial killer than Dick Warlock. I mean, he's like a,
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you know, he's a laugh man. You know, he's constantly
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making jokes and like, you know, he's very funny. Great guy.
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I fell into frame and I was, whoa, that was.
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So all that was real. I tried not to blink.
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I don't think I did. I may have. And I
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splashed a little blood up on the camera, I think,
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or up on my face anyways.
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That looks great.
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Yeah, it's so good.
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That's where I remember that. When I was 20, so
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it was like, okay, it's going to be good. It's
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going to be fine. And so far, no brain damage.
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And what was it like working with Rick Rosenthal? And
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did you get to meet John Carpenter or Debra Hill?
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Debra Hill, yes. John was not on the set. I
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don't think I ever saw him on the set. I
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met him. funny i met him in a bunch of
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auditions like i auditioned for christine and auditioned for some
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other things that he did um but uh he was
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involved in some other stuff at the time um but
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yeah i knew deborah was on was on the set
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all the time and uh rick what was great about
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rick is that he had this whole group of actors
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that he knew that all the staff all the you
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know leo and and and uh.
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You know, Pamela, Susan and Anna. Yeah.
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And it's, it's like, he, he kind of knew all these,
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all these actors from acting class. So it was in
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a way, I was kind of the only one that
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wasn't part of that crowd. And it was so great
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that it sort of, it became its own little community,
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like the staff of a, wherever you work, you know,
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if you have a job, you, you, you have a
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community within your job and that, and that's, And it
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was sort of built in and they all knew each other.
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So they all had this kind of chemistry together. So
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it was, it was really cool that way. And, and Rick,
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and I don't know if Rick did that on purpose, Nancy,
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also Nancy Stevens. And so they, there was this great,
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I don't know, rapport or something or trust. And that's
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really important when you're making a movie where you don't
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really get a lot of rehearsal and you don't get
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a lot of, you know, time to talk about what's
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going on here.
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So, We talked to Annalisa and she mentioned that, yeah,
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she was in like an acting class, whatever. So did
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they welcome you with open arms, even being like the outsider?
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Oh, totally. I mean, I was a kid. I was
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20 years old, you know. It was funny because I'm
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playing a college boy and I was always auditioning for,
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Leo calls me college boy. I mean, Bud calls me
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college boy. And I was in, I had just gotten
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out of college. I had just left college after two years.
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So I was, I would have been a junior then.
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So that was that would have been my winter quarter
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junior year. And but most of my auditions were high
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school kids. Like I did a lot like Alex is
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a high school kid. I did that movie two years later.
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I was a high school kid. Of course. So anyways,
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it just it. Yeah. Yeah.
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No. So, you know, one of the things that people
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always talk about in this movie, I'm sure you've heard
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about this is. The alternate ending. So in the theatrical cut,
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the last we see of your character, Jimmy, is him
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passing out on a steering wheel in a car. But
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in the TV version, at the very end, you and
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Lori hold hands in the ambulance as she says, we
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made it. So first off, do you know why they
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ended up cutting out the ending in the ambulance that
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you were in?
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I don't, um, I don't know why I, I, cause
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you know, sometimes a lot of times that happens, especially
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if you're a, if you're a first timer, you know,
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it's like, okay, that scene got cut. You know, the
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movie's not about me. The movie's about Jamie, you know? So, um,
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that's what I assumed. I just assumed, cause I don't
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know that she was going to be doing any more
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Halloween movies after that.
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Not at that time. Yeah.
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I think she wanted to try to, you know, do
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some other stuff. A lot of her other stuff was great. Um, uh,
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But I think they maybe thought, like, well, we're going
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to bring this other person in just for the sake
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of a scare. Because it was designed as a scare.
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You know, all of a sudden, the shape, you know,
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the shape sits up. And, oh, no, there he is.
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But it was just me with a bandage around my head.
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And that was shot. So that was in the script.
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That was there. the original script. That's the original version.
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And a little bit, you know, when I watched the thing,
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I'm like, oh, where am I? When I saw the movie,
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you know, at the very, you know, when I was like, oh,
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I thought I lived. I guess I guess I don't.
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Well, that's what I wanted to ask you in your opinion,
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your personal opinion, even without that ending in the ambulance,
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do you think Jimmy survived? Because I totally, even the
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first time I saw the theatrical cut, I a hundred
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percent thought, yeah, you just passed out on the steering wheel.
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He's fine. I think he did. Sure. Of course. But
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you know, uh, I guess they thought ahead and went, well,
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wait a minute. They would try to get all the
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living people and they stuck, you know, the living people
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are stuck, put them in the ambulance. Um, But again,
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the movie's not about me. So it wasn't as, they didn't,
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I mean, it was nice to give her the last,
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you know, the last bit. It's like, oh, what a night,
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you know?
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Yeah, but we all wanted her to have that budding romance.
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I have to say, it was nice that they gave, because,
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you know, in the original Halloween, all the other girls
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were out having sex with their boyfriends, you know? And, uh,
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you know, there's, there's Lori, you know, just not a,
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not a relationship, not a, you know, and it was
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nice to have, have that for her. I didn't really
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even think about that at the time, but I thought,
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oh yeah, the, you know, the writers decided that would
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be nice for her to have some guy that was in. Yeah.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Did you get asked to return to the Halloween series?
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Um, not that I, not that I, it wasn't a
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script that was sent to me by my agent or my, or, or,
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or a production company. So I, I, I wasn't, I did,
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I wasn't sure what it was, but I, I didn't
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do it. Cause it wasn't, you know, I used to
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get unsolicited scripts a lot and, and, and there's nothing
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you can do. There's like, I can't say to them,
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Oh sure. I'll be in your movie. It's like, is
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this going to be made?
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So, It's unfortunate because I'm sure you know about, obviously,
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the Halloween trilogy that came out over the last few
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years that Jamie Lee Curtis returned to. They brought a
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lot of characters back from the original. And when we
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were watching, I'm like, where's Jimmy?
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a nice.
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it ignored the second movie. It pretended like it didn't
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happen so that Jamie Lee Curtis didn't have to be
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Michael Myers's sister. So I guess that rendered poor Jimmy non-existent.
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Oh, wait. So I didn't realize that. So there was
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one point where she's not really his sister.
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So the last three movies, the Blumhouse ones, 2018, Halloween Kills,
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Halloween Ends, they only they only pay attention to the
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original and they act like that's where the action ended
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until this movie. So meaning at the hospital, everything, Jimmy,
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poor Jimmy didn't exist.
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I don't know.
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because there's so many timelines and you did survive, that
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it would have been nice for you to return. And
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you never know. They're going to still be doing Halloween movies, Lance.
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So you never know.
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She still doesn't have a love interest.
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I know. Oh, wait. H2O, I think, wasn't she married to.
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At a market. She had a.
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She wasn't Laurie Strode. She was somebody.
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Well, she was she was in hiding. But and, you know,
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she had a love interest who got killed. But and
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then in Halloween four and five, she has a daughter
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who has the last name Lloyd and your name last
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name was Lloyd. So what's going on there?
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Well, I think that's an inside joke myself. But no,
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I'm kidding, because her actual kids have my actual last name.
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Oh, yeah.
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Get Christopher. Oh, my God.
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I was just talking about that. But but but it
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was it was funny. Someone asked me about about Danielle's character.
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And I was like, well, not no. I don't remember
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being fathering any children in the Halloween series, but they do.
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In fact, Jamie's kids have my name. That's funny. So
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which is the same as mine.
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So we also want to get to Jaws, The Revenge. So,
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but I do want to ask you one question about
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The Last Starfighter, just because to touch on the horror connection,
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because absolutely love that it just happened to be directed
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by Nick Castle, the very first person to don the
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Michael Myers mask. So what was Nick like as a director?
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And did you, please tell me you guys talked about
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your shared Halloween connection.
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He, you know, it's funny. He, I don't remember him
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saying anything about that. And I found out in the
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special features on the first DVD release of this that he,
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when John was doing a lot of the editing, John
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Carpenter was doing the editing, and this is the story
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I heard. And Nick was in the Nick was there
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with him and he's, and Nick's like, Oh wait, wait,
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who's that guy? You know? And I think it might've
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been like in an old movie Ola, like doing, doing
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it in the old thing. It's like, wait, who's, who's
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that guy running down the skinny guy running down the hallway?
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You know, how old is he? And who's that guy?
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Cause I'm he, cause at the time Nick was developing
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last starfighter. He was working with John on the script
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with the other John, John Betrell, um, working with him
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on a script. So he's like, ah, I'm, you know, we're, um, we're,
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we're doing a movie and I'm, I'm going to need a,
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a guy like that. You know, I, the, you know, he,
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I think he said something like, like the Jimmy Stewart guy,
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you know, if you're tall and skinny or Jimmy Stewart.
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So that's, that's all I heard. That's all I, and I,
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and I said, I found this out 20 years after
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shooting the film.
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Wait, so you went to like show up there. You're
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working with Nick Castle. Did you know he was Michael
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Myers in the original Halloween? No, you.
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No, I had no idea. Although he did say, you
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know what he did? He didn't mention being in a band.
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He and, I think Tommy Wallace and John were in
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a band called the DeVilles.
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The Coop DeVilles.
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Yep. Yeah. You know, they used to play rock and
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roll together and stuff. So, so, uh, again, I play also,
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I play guitar. There's one of my guitarists.
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Oh, nice.
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I have 13 of them. Um, so, uh, yeah, yeah.
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I remember him saying that. I remember him saying he was,
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he was friends with, with John and all that stuff.
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I just didn't, we just never, I mean, you know,
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when I was making last Starfighter, I was, I was
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in pretty much every scene. So I was, you were
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busy stuff, please.
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You know, I, it just mind boggling. Cause as like
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horror fans, like that's the first thing we go to
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like thinking that you and Nick would be just talking
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about Halloween all day. Of course you're making a different movie.
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Well, what's funny is that I have to say the
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crew that did escape from New York, which Nick had
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a hand in writing, I'm sure, uh, while we were
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doing Halloween 2, that's all they would talk about. They
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just talked about Escape from New York. All the crew,
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they all had, you know, stories about Escape from New York,
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Escape from New York, Escape from New York. And I
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got to go to the premiere because I was working
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on Halloween 2. So I got to go to the
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premiere of Escape from New York, which I, I have
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a very soft spot in my heart for Escape from
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New York. I think it's a really, really fine, you know,
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B movie. Yeah. But it's, you know, there's so many
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great things about it. And I'm a big Kurt Russell fan. So,
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you know, that's, It's great.
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I love that. And the thing, you know, moving on
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to 1987 is Jaws to Revenge. When you got the
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part of Michael Brody, how aware were you of like
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the entire legacy of the Jaws series? Like, did it
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feel like you were stepping into something big?
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Here's my opinion about sequels. At that time, sequels were
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not as well thought of as they are now. You know,
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you hear Iron Man, you hear, good, there's going to
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be an Iron Man 2. Oh, good. There's gonna be
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an Iron Man 3. Um, back then sequels were a little,
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they were not as prestigious as they are nowadays. So, um, I'd,
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I had not seen any of the other Jaws movie.
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It took me forever to see the first Jaws movie
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because I was a surfer and I was like, I
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do not want that in my head. You know, I just, I,
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I like what I'm doing much more than I need
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to see this movie. So, um, it's funny. I was
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in a doctor's office and I read, I read like,
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part of the book in a doctor's office. That's the
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only experience I had with Jaws. But then eventually I
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think when I was like 18 or 19, I did
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break down and see it on TV. And it happened
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to be the day when I was supposed to go surfing. And, and, uh,
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I was like, nah, I don't want to go. And, uh, uh,
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half a board washed up on the beach that, that,
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that day. And I was like, Oh, glad I didn't go.
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Were there fight marks in it?
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Monterey Bay was, uh, was, was, was, is a big, uh,
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where I used to surf, uh, used to, was a big, uh,
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one of the higher concentrations of white sharks on the
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West coast. So we didn't know that of course, for
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a time, a lot of seals, Hey, great. The seals
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are here, you know? Wow.
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That, that, I mean, maybe that was a sign that
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you should be in jaws for, you know, most of
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the movies filmed in the Bahamas and you spend a
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lot of time underwater. Like you're even getting chased by
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the shark through that sunken ship and have to set
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off the air tank to rise to the surface. How
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much of these scenes did you do yourself? Like, did
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you have to get scuba certified?
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I did have to get scuba certified, but that is
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a pretty dangerous stunt to actually, from like 60 or
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90 feet or whatever that was, to go up. And
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I was told, you know, if you have to do this,
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just make sure you follow the bubbles. Do not go
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faster than your own bubbles. But I did have a
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stunt double. Gavin was my stunt double. And he... He
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did that stunt and he did some of the swimming. uh,
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and I did a lot of, I did a lot
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of the swimming. I'm, I'm, I'm a pretty strong swimmer. And, uh, but,
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but a lot of the times we can only get
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me on second unit when I wasn't working on first unit,
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you know? So, so, A lot of the times, you know,
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the two unit shooting at the same time, a lot
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of the second unit stuff is being done concurrently.
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But I mean, it's a good thing that you were
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a good swimmer. And I can tell, like, meaning if
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they cast someone who wasn't a strong swimmer, I don't
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think they could have cast someone who wasn't a strong
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swimmer to be in that part. Obviously, if you were
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a surfer, like you were used to the water and things.
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So were you, even though you weren't doing all of
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the stunts, were you there underwater with the mechanical shark
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at times, at least for shots and things?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, uh, sometime, you know, the shark
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breaks through and I'm trying to figure out what to do.
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Oh God, there he is. You know? And I think,
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I think what happens is Michael does the, the, you know,
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the regulator one does the, the, the, the air and
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the air that's in the tank just propels him up.
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That's how it works. You know, that's, that's how we
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use a little rocket ship action.
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You know, what was it like working with Lorraine Gary
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and Michael Caine?
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Oh my God. Um, Well, I mean, Lorraine was, Lorraine
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is such a nice, she's just a nice person. She's
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like a nice human being. You know, she treated everybody
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like they were her kids, you know, her own kids. And,
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you know, she just, she was very, I don't know,
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she was really natural most of the time. Most of her,
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her acting style is very natural to me and believable.
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But she just, I don't know, she was, I used
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to go, go over to her house and, you know,
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eat dinner and stuff with her and stuff. And it was,
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you know, she's just a really wonderful person.
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And Michael Caine, did you spend much time with him?
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Okay. Yeah. Well, I just, you know, Michael Caine, he,
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first of all, he was, he was, he, you know,
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he's famously like Michael Caine did Jaws. And he was
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with us when he won an Academy award for Hannah
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and her sisters. You know, he was, he was, he,
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we were watching the Academy awards. I can't remember if,
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we were actually in, he might've been with Sean Connery.
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He used to hang out with Sean Connery when he
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was down there. Cause I guess Sean's got a place
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in the Bahamas.
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Of course.
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But it was, it was really fun. Like, I think
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the next day we're like, yeah, you know, he wins
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the award and he's down there with us. You know,
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he didn't, Michael Caine could not make it to the,
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he's shooting jaws of revenge. So yeah, he was, he
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was great. You know, I tell you, tell the story.
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Michael Caine saved my life. We did a, a shot
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where there's a, they use a battery pack at the
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bottom of a, of a little tiny motorboat. And there
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was a photographer. I mean, the center photographer, Mark, Matt,
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forget everybody's name. McPherson, John McPherson. And let's see, me
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and John were back at the back part of the boat.
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And Mario was on the front part of the boat.
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Boats go up like that when they go, right? So
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Mario's shooting Mario's angle. Turns around, Mario, John, camera, and
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150-pound me. So action. And the boat just completely sinks.
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The entire boat fills with water. where the battery pack
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is at the bottom of the boat. And we don't
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know exactly how much voltage the battery pack has. So it's,
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you know, I get the toaster in the bathtub situation.
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So we're like, get out of here. So John throws the,
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you know, $ 200, 000 camera onto the barge, which is probably
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six feet away. The whole crew is on the barge
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and Mario dives off the edge. John dives off the edge.
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I hear this, get the fuck out of the boat.
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And he's, Michael Caine just, grabs me and by my
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shirt and just yanks me out of the boat because
470
00:23:51.299 --> 00:23:53.460
he can reach me from the barge. So it all
471
00:23:53.500 --> 00:23:57.710
happened really quickly, but it probably was not lethal voltage,
472
00:23:57.769 --> 00:23:59.630
I'm sure, but people, you know, you don't know.
473
00:24:01.109 --> 00:24:03.490
That's a great story. I think the title of your
474
00:24:03.509 --> 00:24:05.839
memoir should be Michael Caine Saved My Life. Yeah.
475
00:24:06.980 --> 00:24:09.420
Yeah, I mean, he just– his brain just went into like, oh,
476
00:24:09.500 --> 00:24:12.180
I've been through this shit before, boom, you know. But
477
00:24:12.220 --> 00:24:13.539
he was great. I mean, I really liked him. He's
478
00:24:13.559 --> 00:24:16.680
a very unpretentious fellow, you know, and he's such a
479
00:24:16.769 --> 00:24:19.289
great actor. And, you know, he's been in so many great,
480
00:24:20.049 --> 00:24:25.470
great films and stuff. And he was what you would imagine,
481
00:24:25.490 --> 00:24:27.950
you know. He never bitched. He never complained about anything.
482
00:24:28.369 --> 00:24:32.339
And he did wear this shirt he got on purpose
483
00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:35.460
because– Uh, I don't know why maybe he didn't want
484
00:24:35.480 --> 00:24:37.160
to be in the wet t-shirt contest or whatever, but
485
00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:40.900
it's like, he's wearing this, this like Tommy Bahamas shirt
486
00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:42.940
or whatever it was, but it was like a thing.
487
00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:45.539
And they're waterproof there for like, if you're doing stuff
488
00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:49.440
in the water, they're waterproof shirts. So if you get
489
00:24:49.660 --> 00:24:52.849
doused with water, they don't just stick all over you
490
00:24:52.869 --> 00:24:56.549
like a t-shirt. Um, And everybody was giving him all
491
00:24:56.589 --> 00:24:58.950
kinds of crap about Michael Caine comes up out of water.
492
00:24:58.970 --> 00:25:00.390
How come he doesn't have any? Well, how come he
493
00:25:00.410 --> 00:25:02.869
doesn't have a wet shirt? Cause it's a waterproof shirt.
494
00:25:03.549 --> 00:25:05.119
I've read that so many times.
495
00:25:05.170 --> 00:25:07.420
Yeah. Everybody's like, Hey, that's so phony. It's like, no,
496
00:25:07.460 --> 00:25:09.900
it wasn't. That was his real shirt.
497
00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:13.460
That's awesome. You know, what's, what's funny about this movie
498
00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:16.200
in relation to Halloween too, is this also jaws, the
499
00:25:16.220 --> 00:25:19.079
revenge also has an alternate ending because in the original
500
00:25:19.140 --> 00:25:22.119
theatrical cut, the character of Jake played by Mario van
501
00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:24.680
Peebles is killed by the shark. But then we read that.
502
00:25:24.990 --> 00:25:27.359
that shortly after the film was released, the ending was
503
00:25:27.430 --> 00:25:29.819
reshot so that Jake would survive. So what do you
504
00:25:29.859 --> 00:25:33.059
remember about like how that all went down and what
505
00:25:33.099 --> 00:25:35.380
the reaction was, the original ending, like when, or when
506
00:25:35.400 --> 00:25:37.259
you got contacted that we got to reshoot it?
507
00:25:39.019 --> 00:25:41.829
All it was, was, you know, we shot the ending
508
00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:44.009
as it, as it, you know, as, as, as written,
509
00:25:44.210 --> 00:25:48.950
you know, Jake dies. And, and then I get a
510
00:25:49.029 --> 00:25:53.589
call from Joe, Joe Sargent. And he's like, Joe, Joe's,
511
00:25:54.079 --> 00:25:58.259
favorite things to say were guess what? And watch this.
512
00:25:58.279 --> 00:26:02.519
So here's the Joe's catchphrases. I'm like, Joe, you can't
513
00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:06.430
do that. Oh yeah. Watch this. So, um, so he
514
00:26:06.470 --> 00:26:10.509
called me up and he said, Lance, we have to
515
00:26:10.549 --> 00:26:13.029
reshoot the ending. And I said, Oh God, how are
516
00:26:13.049 --> 00:26:14.269
you going to do that? I said, that's okay. We
517
00:26:14.309 --> 00:26:15.970
might do it out by my house. Cause he lived
518
00:26:16.039 --> 00:26:17.720
out up in Malibu and everything. And they were maybe
519
00:26:17.740 --> 00:26:21.220
going to do it out in Malibu. And, uh, And
520
00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:22.579
I was like, well, okay, how's that going to work?
521
00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:24.480
He's like, that's all right. Mario's going to live. It
522
00:26:24.529 --> 00:26:27.390
turns out that they like Mario. Nobody wants him to die.
523
00:26:27.430 --> 00:26:29.529
Mario wants to live. So we're going to shoot it.
524
00:26:29.630 --> 00:26:31.970
So I kept waiting for the phone call to go
525
00:26:31.990 --> 00:26:33.309
up to Malibu. But instead we did it in the
526
00:26:33.349 --> 00:26:39.519
tank at Universal. Wow. It was like on either my birthday.
527
00:26:39.579 --> 00:26:41.720
Joe and I are born like a day apart. Like
528
00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:44.579
our birthdays are like a day apart, the director. And
529
00:26:44.619 --> 00:26:46.279
so it was on one of those days that I
530
00:26:46.339 --> 00:26:47.799
remember that we shot it. It was either on my
531
00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:48.460
birthday or Joe's.
532
00:26:49.309 --> 00:26:52.009
I've just never heard of people reshooting an ending after
533
00:26:52.049 --> 00:26:53.769
the film came out. You know what I mean? Like
534
00:26:53.809 --> 00:26:55.650
I've heard it before, but have you?
535
00:26:56.170 --> 00:26:58.150
I was so excited to see the movie. Like I
536
00:26:58.190 --> 00:27:01.150
was there the first day and I remember like, then
537
00:27:01.170 --> 00:27:02.849
I saw it like on cable and I was like, well,
538
00:27:02.869 --> 00:27:04.869
wait a second. Something's different.
539
00:27:08.230 --> 00:27:12.059
These two movies, they, they reshot the ending and. I die.
540
00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:13.980
I'm supposed to live and I die in the first one.
541
00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:15.410
And Mario was supposed to die and he lives in
542
00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:16.549
the next one. So funny.
543
00:27:16.869 --> 00:27:19.829
And what I'm assuming there was a premiere for jaws,
544
00:27:19.890 --> 00:27:22.069
the revenge. And what did you think the first time
545
00:27:22.109 --> 00:27:23.109
seeing it on the big screen?
546
00:27:23.130 --> 00:27:29.210
Um, I, you know, I was honored to be there
547
00:27:29.289 --> 00:27:30.430
and I was, it was fun to be at a
548
00:27:30.450 --> 00:27:34.200
big Hollywood premiere and everything. My family was all there. And, um,
549
00:27:34.970 --> 00:27:39.150
you know, that last sequence would took them for, it
550
00:27:39.190 --> 00:27:41.109
must've taken them a month and a half to get
551
00:27:41.150 --> 00:27:44.710
that last, you know, the boat sinking and all that stuff.
552
00:27:44.930 --> 00:27:47.130
And because there was no CGI at the time they
553
00:27:47.150 --> 00:27:50.000
had to use, you know, real boats and real big
554
00:27:50.059 --> 00:27:56.099
shark puppets. And it, you know, it's like, well, that's,
555
00:27:56.720 --> 00:27:58.799
and that's the big criticism of the movie is the ending.
556
00:27:58.859 --> 00:28:03.829
It's just like, what happened there? So, That's, you know,
557
00:28:03.849 --> 00:28:06.630
it's like, oh, okay, well, that's what they did. Okay, well.
558
00:28:07.329 --> 00:28:09.769
How did you feel about the whole idea of the
559
00:28:09.849 --> 00:28:13.670
shark targeting the Brody family? Like when you read that
560
00:28:13.690 --> 00:28:15.910
in the script, were you just like, okay, or were
561
00:28:15.950 --> 00:28:17.039
you like, uh?
562
00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:20.480
You know, the thing is, when I read, you know,
563
00:28:20.519 --> 00:28:25.079
writers have a really great way of, good screenwriters can
564
00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:28.309
make you believe anything. And there's been movies about just
565
00:28:29.130 --> 00:28:33.569
absolutely fantastical, crazy stuff. And you go along for the ride.
566
00:28:33.609 --> 00:28:38.289
You buy it. You believe it. So I'd read probably 3,000
567
00:28:38.289 --> 00:28:42.210
scripts at that point in my life. And I didn't
568
00:28:42.289 --> 00:28:44.839
notice anything weird about it. It's a Jaws movie. There's
569
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:46.279
going to be a shark. And the shark's going to
570
00:28:46.299 --> 00:28:48.930
kill people. And they're using the Brody family as they're
571
00:28:48.950 --> 00:28:52.599
sort of focusing on the Brody family more so than
572
00:28:52.619 --> 00:28:56.160
really any other show, except for the first one. And
573
00:28:56.480 --> 00:29:00.359
so it was like, OK, well, there's a curse. There's
574
00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:02.670
a curse of the Brody family. OK, well. you know,
575
00:29:02.990 --> 00:29:06.990
there have been movies where that's the deal, you know?
576
00:29:07.009 --> 00:29:11.809
And so it's just difficult because for me, the original Jaws,
577
00:29:13.609 --> 00:29:16.039
it was a real movie because it had another plot.
578
00:29:16.119 --> 00:29:19.200
It had a sort of another theme about, you know,
579
00:29:19.380 --> 00:29:23.440
capitalism and, you know, oh, we can't, you know, we
580
00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:25.400
can't close the beaches because everybody's going to lose money,
581
00:29:25.420 --> 00:29:28.259
you know? And that whole aspect of it is a
582
00:29:28.259 --> 00:29:31.000
very important part of it. And this didn't really have
583
00:29:31.079 --> 00:29:33.390
a sub, plot.
584
00:29:33.470 --> 00:29:37.700
It was personal it was personal it was like okay
585
00:29:37.740 --> 00:29:41.069
so it's you know uh So there's a mystical thing
586
00:29:41.109 --> 00:29:42.829
about the shark, and it's not even the shark.
587
00:29:42.890 --> 00:29:46.289
It's just another shark. It's all great white sharks are related.
588
00:29:46.730 --> 00:29:48.230
If you're really thinking about it, it doesn't really make
589
00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:52.380
any sense. But when you read the script, you followed it,
590
00:29:52.380 --> 00:29:54.319
and you followed it, and it all made sense, and
591
00:29:54.380 --> 00:29:57.980
it all made sense. And then the only reason I'm
592
00:29:58.039 --> 00:30:03.099
saying this is that is that all the transitions made
593
00:30:03.140 --> 00:30:05.500
enough sense for me to go, yeah, yeah, let's do
594
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:09.680
this movie. This will be great. And then the day
595
00:30:09.740 --> 00:30:13.319
before we started shooting, they got the word that they couldn't,
596
00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:16.420
a lot of the things that were written in the script,
597
00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:21.240
the effects that were supposed to happen couldn't actually be
598
00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:26.380
done practically. And this is predating all CGI. So they
599
00:30:26.500 --> 00:30:29.819
figured out what, can be done practically. And when they
600
00:30:29.859 --> 00:30:35.319
found out what they, what can be done practically, um, they,
601
00:30:36.019 --> 00:30:39.470
they sort of rearranged the script to sort of accommodate that.
602
00:30:40.150 --> 00:30:43.509
Cause it's a, you know, it's a structural problem. You
603
00:30:43.529 --> 00:30:48.009
have to, you know, re re sort of, uh, arrange
604
00:30:48.049 --> 00:30:50.819
the scenes in the, in the movie. And once I
605
00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:54.960
saw like scenes being, there instead of there instead of
606
00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:56.660
there i was like oh my god there was my
607
00:30:56.700 --> 00:30:59.180
whole you know my whole track of my whole arc
608
00:30:59.259 --> 00:31:00.759
and i'm like but this isn't gonna work and i'm
609
00:31:00.779 --> 00:31:05.680
just that i'm just some actor going you know so often.
610
00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:08.000
Do you remember any things that they wanted the shark
611
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:09.960
to do that they ended up having to cut like
612
00:31:10.019 --> 00:31:12.799
any crazy stunts or things like the shark jumps up
613
00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:14.740
on the beach and grabs someone.
614
00:31:14.420 --> 00:31:17.880
Or yeah um you know it's been such a long
615
00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:22.430
time and and i don't really remember it is a
616
00:31:23.019 --> 00:31:26.279
somewhat a fantastical thing that, that, that they were expecting
617
00:31:26.299 --> 00:31:28.160
to do. I mean, everybody talks about the shark that roared,
618
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:35.640
you know, it's like, it doesn't really roar. And what
619
00:31:35.660 --> 00:31:38.069
we do, we have seen sharks breach. I mean, they just,
620
00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:39.910
they come up, if they're going to grab something, they
621
00:31:40.230 --> 00:31:42.329
get down from the bottom and you see them, you know,
622
00:31:42.349 --> 00:31:44.230
they come up fully out of the water and back
623
00:31:44.289 --> 00:31:46.069
into the water like whales do, you know, a lot
624
00:31:46.089 --> 00:31:54.710
of times. But that is, I think they sort of
625
00:31:56.390 --> 00:31:58.630
ran a thin line of reality of what would a
626
00:31:58.650 --> 00:32:00.890
shark do and what would a shark not do. And
627
00:32:00.930 --> 00:32:04.859
I think they tried to make it as cinematic as
628
00:32:04.890 --> 00:32:09.480
they could. But yeah, sharks don't usually jump up out
629
00:32:09.500 --> 00:32:13.759
of the water and roar. It's hard to say. I
630
00:32:13.779 --> 00:32:16.799
can't really remember any of the things. All I know
631
00:32:16.819 --> 00:32:20.259
is that I had to adjust to whatever the new
632
00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:22.839
script was. And it was literally like, we had all
633
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:25.900
these rehearsals like the weeks before and stuff. And we
634
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:29.000
got up at Martha's vineyards and we, you know, we, we,
635
00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:30.220
we knew what we were going to do. And then
636
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:33.559
all of a sudden, okay, it's different. And so I
637
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:36.200
spent a lot of the movie going, Oh God, this
638
00:32:36.259 --> 00:32:39.059
is not going to make sense. So it was fun,
639
00:32:39.180 --> 00:32:42.000
you know, came up to me and said, I, you know,
640
00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:44.920
I'm glad you did what you did, uh, made, you know,
641
00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:46.759
made my job easier and stuff. And he was really
642
00:32:46.819 --> 00:32:50.619
nice to do, to say that. Um, but I was just,
643
00:32:50.819 --> 00:32:52.789
you know, white knuckling it the whole time.
644
00:32:53.690 --> 00:32:55.609
Well, we just, we just have a couple of final
645
00:32:55.630 --> 00:32:59.079
questions for you. Um, Lance, you know, it's been 45
646
00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:02.619
years since Halloween two was released and 39 years since
647
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:05.180
jaws to revenge. Yet both of these films are still
648
00:33:05.220 --> 00:33:08.519
very much talked about today. Obviously. Um, why do you
649
00:33:08.539 --> 00:33:11.140
think they continue to resonate with horror fans after all
650
00:33:11.180 --> 00:33:11.619
this time?
651
00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:15.680
Beats the hell out of me. I don't know. I
652
00:33:15.829 --> 00:33:22.359
have no idea. Um, you, uh, uh, they, uh, They
653
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:29.470
say a lot of times movies, they resonate with people
654
00:33:29.529 --> 00:33:36.269
because they decide to have heart. Maybe that's it. When
655
00:33:36.309 --> 00:33:38.410
you're making a movie, you try to make the best
656
00:33:38.450 --> 00:33:39.950
movie you can make. I think there are aspects of that.
657
00:33:39.970 --> 00:33:54.329
In both of those, there were there was an element
658
00:33:54.369 --> 00:33:58.180
of heart. It wasn't all just action, kill, action, kill, action, kill, go.
659
00:34:01.019 --> 00:34:02.309
That's the only thing I can come up with. And
660
00:34:02.329 --> 00:34:06.309
they've said that about the last Starfighter too. So that's
661
00:34:06.690 --> 00:34:07.049
my only.
662
00:34:08.369 --> 00:34:10.170
Yeah, everyone loved the Brody family.
663
00:34:10.369 --> 00:34:12.530
And I also think that's a great answer. I mean,
664
00:34:12.550 --> 00:34:15.579
when you think about Halloween 2, people really did identify
665
00:34:15.619 --> 00:34:18.340
with Laurie Strode. It's the second movie. You felt for her.
666
00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:22.159
You wanted her to survive and prevail against Michael Myers.
667
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:24.980
And then in Jaws 4... there's a lot of really
668
00:34:25.059 --> 00:34:27.820
poignant scenes between you and Lorraine Gary. Like, you know,
669
00:34:27.889 --> 00:34:29.710
a lot of horror movies don't have that type of
670
00:34:29.750 --> 00:34:32.150
heart where they show grief. You just see people get
671
00:34:32.210 --> 00:34:34.610
killed and you don't see a reaction. So it was
672
00:34:34.670 --> 00:34:36.570
nice to see those family dynamics too.
673
00:34:37.070 --> 00:34:39.590
The blue water in the Bahamas and the shark, it
674
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:40.760
is a beautiful film.
675
00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:44.659
I love it. Oh yeah. And it actually probably might've
676
00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:47.579
been more beautiful. It turned out that the months that
677
00:34:47.619 --> 00:34:50.039
we shot that March and April were not always, not
678
00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:54.079
necessarily the best time to shoot, but, But the crew
679
00:34:54.099 --> 00:34:56.820
were told that, oh, yeah, that's the perfect time. And
680
00:34:57.099 --> 00:35:00.099
so a lot of the time they try to get stuff.
681
00:35:01.059 --> 00:35:05.050
The underwater stuff, you know, is candy, as you've seen.
682
00:35:05.110 --> 00:35:06.789
Like if you ever go into a TV store and
683
00:35:06.809 --> 00:35:09.409
they show fish in the water, you know, or a
684
00:35:09.670 --> 00:35:13.190
Costco or something, they always show the fish underwater that
685
00:35:13.210 --> 00:35:17.110
show how great the color is. And it really does
686
00:35:17.150 --> 00:35:19.670
look like that. It really is amazing. If all the
687
00:35:19.730 --> 00:35:22.710
water is clear and nothing's been churned up, it really
688
00:35:22.769 --> 00:35:24.130
does look like that. And they were, they were trying
689
00:35:24.150 --> 00:35:26.010
to get a lot of that stuff and they did get,
690
00:35:26.170 --> 00:35:27.989
get some of it, but I, but I think they
691
00:35:28.010 --> 00:35:30.440
were frustrated with how much they didn't, they weren't able
692
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:32.679
to get because of, you know, there were storms and
693
00:35:32.699 --> 00:35:34.500
they were, you know, the seas were choppy and they
694
00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:37.000
had a hard time matching the skies. Cause it's, it's
695
00:35:37.019 --> 00:35:40.099
the Caribbean, you know, it's, it's, it changes all the time.
696
00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:42.539
So it rains all the time sometimes. So there was
697
00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:44.880
a lot of sitting around waiting for the weather to match.
698
00:35:45.579 --> 00:35:45.780
Yeah.
699
00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:48.659
It looks great. And what are you up to today?
700
00:35:49.579 --> 00:35:51.409
What am I up to today? Well, today I have to,
701
00:35:52.469 --> 00:35:54.360
brush off of my heel for the, so that my
702
00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:59.699
house doesn't catch on fire. Uh, yeah, we're, we're, um,
703
00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:02.300
I'm actually going to do another one of these in
704
00:36:02.340 --> 00:36:06.380
conjunction with that. They, they, they've made a last starfighter, uh,
705
00:36:07.309 --> 00:36:10.289
comic book. Oh, I don't know if you know this,
706
00:36:10.349 --> 00:36:13.309
but there, but they've, the, this mad cave studios has,
707
00:36:13.449 --> 00:36:18.489
has released a whole series of last starfighter comic books in,
708
00:36:18.590 --> 00:36:23.760
in sort of, uh, in conjunction with, uh, of ultimately
709
00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:28.199
making a sequel. So, um, it's, it's sort of, cause
710
00:36:28.219 --> 00:36:31.460
we're all, it's been, you know, multiple decades since we've
711
00:36:31.500 --> 00:36:32.920
done these things. And so they're, they're going to kind
712
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:36.820
of fill in the missing years of, of, uh, the Alex,
713
00:36:36.889 --> 00:36:42.289
Maggie Griggs story, you know, fill in this stuff. So,
714
00:36:42.349 --> 00:36:44.010
cause we can't, I mean, now we're all, you know,
715
00:36:44.030 --> 00:36:46.750
we all got white hair and stuff. I mean, Kathy
716
00:36:46.769 --> 00:36:47.809
doesn't have white hair. I have white hair.
717
00:36:48.050 --> 00:36:49.070
Catherine Mary Stewart?
718
00:36:49.110 --> 00:36:51.929
Yeah, Catherine Mary Stewart. Will you be reprising your role
719
00:36:51.969 --> 00:36:52.630
in the sequel?
720
00:36:53.570 --> 00:36:55.349
I believe so. I don't know. I don't have a
721
00:36:55.349 --> 00:36:57.070
script yet, but that's what I'm told.
722
00:36:57.869 --> 00:36:59.210
That's amazing, though.
723
00:36:59.769 --> 00:37:03.440
This is hinted at with this whole, because see, by
724
00:37:03.500 --> 00:37:10.079
doing the comic book, it sort of forms a sort
725
00:37:10.099 --> 00:37:13.159
of connective tissue of SARS as far as the history
726
00:37:13.179 --> 00:37:16.510
of what happened, because obviously we're 40 years older now.
727
00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:18.449
um so i don't know i think it's a good
728
00:37:18.489 --> 00:37:20.449
idea i want i would like to the sequel to
729
00:37:20.489 --> 00:37:24.210
be made so so we're we're pushing that and also
730
00:37:24.289 --> 00:37:26.730
kids you know kids these days the people that remember
731
00:37:26.769 --> 00:37:29.269
last starfighter are not nine ten year old kids they're
732
00:37:29.510 --> 00:37:32.550
they're guys like you and guys older than you um
733
00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:34.880
they're the ones that all remember the thing but but
734
00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:36.980
but you ask kids these days they don't know what
735
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:39.639
you're talking about so hopefully the kids will buy the
736
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:41.539
comic books and go oh yeah i want to see
737
00:37:41.579 --> 00:37:42.000
that so.
738
00:37:42.469 --> 00:37:44.980
I mean, look, if Jamie Lee Curtis can return to
739
00:37:45.019 --> 00:37:49.119
the Halloween series 40 years later, people will want to
740
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:51.519
see you back in Last Starfighter 40 years later.
741
00:37:52.539 --> 00:37:54.500
Sure. And Halloween.
742
00:37:54.559 --> 00:37:57.300
I don't think Halloween's out of the.
743
00:37:57.340 --> 00:37:59.860
We're still pulling for Jimmy to make a return to Halloween.
744
00:38:00.409 --> 00:38:03.489
Well, it's funny because I had not seen Halloween. And
745
00:38:03.510 --> 00:38:05.849
the person who told me was my girlfriend at the time.
746
00:38:06.289 --> 00:38:08.820
And that was Carrie Noonan that you guys were....
747
00:38:10.139 --> 00:38:11.019
We chatted with you.
748
00:38:11.039 --> 00:38:11.630
We love her.
749
00:38:11.699 --> 00:38:13.840
Carrie was like, okay, now this is what happens in
750
00:38:13.860 --> 00:38:15.420
the real Halloween because I think that might have been
751
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:19.869
before VCRs. I think we might have rented it, but
752
00:38:19.909 --> 00:38:21.969
it was really a big deal to, you know, oh
753
00:38:21.989 --> 00:38:24.230
my God, we're going to see Halloween. So Carrie filled
754
00:38:24.250 --> 00:38:26.550
me in on the old Halloween story because Carrie had
755
00:38:26.570 --> 00:38:27.400
seen it. I didn't see it.
756
00:38:27.849 --> 00:38:30.969
I just love because Carrie, Friday the 13th, you Halloween,
757
00:38:31.070 --> 00:38:33.570
like the connections between people.
758
00:38:33.590 --> 00:38:33.769
Yeah.
759
00:38:34.150 --> 00:38:36.590
So we have just one final question for you, Lance.
760
00:38:36.630 --> 00:38:38.809
This is what we ask all of our guests at
761
00:38:38.849 --> 00:38:40.670
the very end of the interview. It kind of puts
762
00:38:40.690 --> 00:38:42.690
you on the spot, but anything you have to say
763
00:38:42.730 --> 00:38:46.139
for this works. What is just one thing you can
764
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:49.519
tell us about your experience working on either Halloween 2
765
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:54.039
or Jaws to Revenge that you've never told any other interviewer, podcaster,
766
00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:56.039
or any convention Q & A? It doesn't have to
767
00:38:56.079 --> 00:38:58.980
be some big salacious detail, but just one thing about
768
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:00.760
your experience working on either of these two films that
769
00:39:00.780 --> 00:39:03.920
you've never told in an interview, not even Carrie that
770
00:39:03.940 --> 00:39:05.179
you've never told Carrie Noonan.
771
00:39:07.210 --> 00:39:10.570
God, I can't, I can't really, I try to say
772
00:39:10.630 --> 00:39:12.030
as much as I, you know, I've, I've done these
773
00:39:12.130 --> 00:39:15.449
before and I try to say everything that I remember. Um,
774
00:39:16.570 --> 00:39:18.659
this is, I'm on the spot because I, I, I,
775
00:39:18.739 --> 00:39:21.150
I literally have to go back and see that I've never,
776
00:39:21.150 --> 00:39:25.760
see if I've never said anything. I, I think I,
777
00:39:26.440 --> 00:39:27.500
I think I've said everything.
778
00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:30.340
No, that, Hey, that worked. Did you, did you, did
779
00:39:30.380 --> 00:39:32.679
you meet Donald Pleasance while making Halloween too?
780
00:39:33.300 --> 00:39:35.860
Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I met him the first day actually.
781
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:37.679
How was that?
782
00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:42.170
Well, you know, I wasn't that aware of, of who
783
00:39:42.230 --> 00:39:44.530
he was. He was a, I was, I was kind
784
00:39:44.570 --> 00:39:46.210
of surprised to find out that he was a big
785
00:39:46.389 --> 00:39:48.849
Pinter star in, in England. He was a, he did
786
00:39:48.889 --> 00:39:52.849
a lot of Pinter plays and, And, uh, I just,
787
00:39:53.730 --> 00:39:57.570
I remember, um, he was in fantastic voyage, which was
788
00:39:57.650 --> 00:40:00.389
one of my favorite movies when I was a kid. Um,
789
00:40:00.690 --> 00:40:03.130
but that's, that's all I, that's all I know. I mean, I, I,
790
00:40:03.289 --> 00:40:05.070
I wasn't, I knew he was a big, big deal,
791
00:40:05.130 --> 00:40:07.230
but I, I had a lot of things to think about.
792
00:40:07.250 --> 00:40:08.909
Am I going to drop the gurney out of, how
793
00:40:08.929 --> 00:40:11.190
do you make that gurney work? So that the thing
794
00:40:11.230 --> 00:40:14.090
drops out and, you know, I don't want to hurt anybody. Um,
795
00:40:15.590 --> 00:40:21.409
I mostly did not have a lot of thoughts about
796
00:40:22.389 --> 00:40:25.170
anybody famous that I was working with because I was
797
00:40:25.269 --> 00:40:29.389
mostly just trying to do my part the best I could.
798
00:40:29.409 --> 00:40:33.489
Did you happen to watch Anna Alicia on all her
799
00:40:34.030 --> 00:40:35.630
seasons of Falcon Crest?
800
00:40:37.949 --> 00:40:40.250
I wasn't a big Falcon Crest fan, although I did
801
00:40:40.329 --> 00:40:42.750
Knott's Landing for six months, I think.
802
00:40:43.130 --> 00:40:44.250
Oh, so did Carrie.
803
00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:46.159
I was on it. That's right. Carrie did that too
804
00:40:46.260 --> 00:40:46.639
as well.
805
00:40:47.420 --> 00:40:50.340
Well, then I'll just end with ask you because totally fair.
806
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:52.300
If you can't think of anything you haven't said, if
807
00:40:52.340 --> 00:40:55.199
you've done conventions and things, what's the most popular question
808
00:40:55.239 --> 00:40:57.980
people ask you at conventions about either of these movies?
809
00:40:58.659 --> 00:41:03.010
Um, well, usually it's, it's what happened with jaws of
810
00:41:03.070 --> 00:41:09.650
revenge and why is it so ridiculous? And, um, uh, that,
811
00:41:09.670 --> 00:41:11.909
that what you said about the weight, do you live
812
00:41:11.929 --> 00:41:13.389
or do you die? Do you live or do you die?
813
00:41:13.889 --> 00:41:16.550
They act like, movies don't get changed at the last minute,
814
00:41:16.590 --> 00:41:18.250
you know? And yes, they do. They get changed at
815
00:41:18.269 --> 00:41:21.070
the last minute. So those are the two.
816
00:41:21.090 --> 00:41:24.150
I think that's the charming part of Jaws. I think
817
00:41:24.170 --> 00:41:27.250
it's so charming. Like, like because it had like the
818
00:41:27.269 --> 00:41:30.510
theatrical release when I saw when I was 10, then like,
819
00:41:30.690 --> 00:41:32.570
then on cable, it was so different. I was like,
820
00:41:32.610 --> 00:41:35.480
I don't remember him living. Like it was such like a,
821
00:41:35.980 --> 00:41:38.860
that's never been done before. So Jaws holds that honor.
822
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:42.539
Well, I have to say one of the things that,
823
00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:46.519
I always think about is, you know, Last Starfighter was
824
00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:51.460
the first real CGI movie that they really had to
825
00:41:51.500 --> 00:41:53.420
spend a lot of time and a lot of money
826
00:41:53.460 --> 00:41:55.019
and a lot of hope and a lot of, you know,
827
00:41:55.059 --> 00:41:59.239
like nail biting and, you know, insecurity as far as,
828
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:02.099
is this going to work? And eventually it led to
829
00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:07.079
the development of CGI. But between its release in 84
830
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:12.980
and probably the next five years, they didn't really... do
831
00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:17.409
a lot of CGI that was affordable. So they hadn't
832
00:42:17.449 --> 00:42:21.469
really perfected it until, I'm going to say like, it
833
00:42:21.510 --> 00:42:25.989
was before Jurassic Park, but it wasn't much, I think
834
00:42:26.050 --> 00:42:28.070
it was, was it Total Recall or something? It was
835
00:42:29.110 --> 00:42:31.550
one of these movies that they finally were like, okay,
836
00:42:31.710 --> 00:42:34.659
we're finally going, we're finally going digital, you know, we're
837
00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:37.320
going to do it. But so Jaws of Revenge was
838
00:42:37.460 --> 00:42:38.900
right in the middle of it. There was just no
839
00:42:38.980 --> 00:42:42.460
chance of doing anything digitally, so all the shark stuff
840
00:42:42.500 --> 00:42:48.659
could have been done. They could have done what they wrote,
841
00:42:49.139 --> 00:42:57.309
and it wouldn't have been so like. So I thought
842
00:42:57.329 --> 00:42:59.710
it was good enough. I mean, the first one, I
843
00:42:59.750 --> 00:43:03.449
thought all the stuff worked in the first one. But
844
00:43:03.469 --> 00:43:06.989
it was too bad that they hadn't advanced the CGI
845
00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:11.059
you know, to that degree where that, where they, we could,
846
00:43:11.179 --> 00:43:12.639
they could have done it because that, that would have
847
00:43:12.659 --> 00:43:14.909
helped my, you know, it was so frustrating. I was
848
00:43:14.949 --> 00:43:17.110
like real sharks, fake people. Let's go.
849
00:43:18.610 --> 00:43:20.360
But you know what? The funny thing is on the
850
00:43:20.389 --> 00:43:22.139
flip side, because Tim and I have seen a ton
851
00:43:22.179 --> 00:43:24.969
of shark movies. Some of the ones that, rely too
852
00:43:24.989 --> 00:43:28.239
much on cgi just looks so fake that it completely
853
00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:30.139
takes it like i would take jaws to revenge over
854
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:32.679
some of the really cgi heavy movies any day.
855
00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:34.820
I've said to matt i wouldn't even want to be
856
00:43:34.860 --> 00:43:37.500
down in the water with the mechanical one i feel
857
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:39.139
like i'm like.
858
00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:41.809
Oh yeah no a lot of that you know a
859
00:43:41.949 --> 00:43:44.889
lot of that is just simply the hydraulics of the
860
00:43:45.010 --> 00:43:46.929
uh thing you know it sits on this it sits
861
00:43:46.969 --> 00:43:49.590
on the ocean floor and it has to rise up
862
00:43:49.630 --> 00:43:51.969
you know there's just all this hardware and stuff that
863
00:43:51.989 --> 00:43:54.510
they have to, it's a giant puppet, you know, and
864
00:43:54.730 --> 00:43:57.150
sometimes it's just a piece of a puppet and it's
865
00:43:57.170 --> 00:43:59.969
supposed to be this 25, 30 foot shark, you know?
866
00:44:00.730 --> 00:44:04.369
So it just, it's, it's the bane of all the,
867
00:44:04.590 --> 00:44:06.889
of all the Jaws movies. They always have the same problem.
868
00:44:06.909 --> 00:44:11.199
How do you, how do you deal with the shark
869
00:44:11.239 --> 00:44:13.559
and the limitations of that kind of a thing? And
870
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:17.280
like I said, now that they've got whatever CGI, they,
871
00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:20.320
they can do that. It seems like, Are they going
872
00:44:20.340 --> 00:44:21.900
to make more shark movies? I don't know. I don't know.
873
00:44:21.940 --> 00:44:22.559
Well, you lived.
874
00:44:22.579 --> 00:44:23.340
You could be back.
875
00:44:23.460 --> 00:44:25.409
Well, yeah, that's the great part. You could be back
876
00:44:25.469 --> 00:44:27.099
as Michael Brody. You could be back as Jimmy. And,
877
00:44:27.130 --> 00:44:30.110
you know, it's the same challenge on the Halloween series
878
00:44:30.150 --> 00:44:32.449
where it's always about what does the mask look like
879
00:44:32.530 --> 00:44:34.429
and the person who's wearing it, how do they walk
880
00:44:34.469 --> 00:44:37.090
and portray the character? Because it's always played by someone different.
881
00:44:37.110 --> 00:44:39.840
So they're always so hyper-focused on the look of the
882
00:44:39.880 --> 00:44:43.280
mask and the walk and the demeanor. So same thing,
883
00:44:43.420 --> 00:44:44.000
different movie.
884
00:44:44.579 --> 00:44:48.159
I'm just amazed that they made so many Halloweens. I mean...
885
00:44:48.449 --> 00:44:50.409
It is kind of amazing because, you know, when we
886
00:44:50.429 --> 00:44:53.250
were kids, the, you know, the babysitting story, the babysitter
887
00:44:53.289 --> 00:44:56.590
stories were always the big scary stories. You tell it
888
00:44:56.630 --> 00:45:01.130
like sleepovers or whatever, you know, people would. And it's just,
889
00:45:01.150 --> 00:45:04.429
it was like, that's it. They, they found, they, they
890
00:45:04.610 --> 00:45:07.949
touched a nerve, a cultural nerve. Everybody, everybody had babysitter
891
00:45:07.989 --> 00:45:14.909
stories and everybody was, you know, so it's just, it's
892
00:45:14.949 --> 00:45:18.750
surprising to me that so many Halloween movies were made. Yeah.
893
00:45:18.750 --> 00:45:19.730
13 total.
894
00:45:20.050 --> 00:45:21.780
And we love yours. We loved it every year.
895
00:45:21.820 --> 00:45:21.949
Yeah.
896
00:45:21.989 --> 00:45:24.619
Halloween two is great. Well, thank you, Lance. Thank you
897
00:45:24.659 --> 00:45:26.760
so much for taking the time to chat with the
898
00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:29.559
house about both of these movies. We wish you nothing
899
00:45:29.579 --> 00:45:31.239
but the best hope that we'll see you in a
900
00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:34.219
star fighter sequel. I mean, we hope that we'll see
901
00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:36.599
you back in the Halloween and jaws franchises too. So
902
00:45:36.619 --> 00:45:38.539
you never know. Alrighty.
903
00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:40.059
Well, it's good to talk to you. Thanks.
904
00:45:40.099 --> 00:45:42.260
Well, thank you so much. Take care. We'll stay in
905
00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:43.800
touch and have a great rest of your day.
906
00:45:43.820 --> 00:45:45.030
All right. You too.
907
00:45:45.130 --> 00:45:45.329
Okay.
908
00:45:45.730 --> 00:45:45.989
Okay.
909
00:45:46.030 --> 00:45:46.320
Bye. Bye.
910
00:45:54.219 --> 00:45:57.039
Thanks for tuning in to another episode of Happy Horror Time.
911
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00:46:01.019 --> 00:46:04.519
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