TENTANG EPISODE INI
What if knowing when to quit is just as important as knowing how to persevere?
In this episode of the Forking Good Podcast, Simon Gault and Kate Fenwick sit down with leadership, health and triathlon coach Gareth Holebrook, author of Ishi: The Discipline of Determined Intent.
Gareth explores the philosophy behind Ishi and what decades of business, coaching and extreme endurance racing have taught him about determination, leadership, failure and burnout.
Having completed more than 30 iron-distance races, Gareth knows plenty about persistence. But some of his biggest lessons came from the times he persisted for too long — including spending five years pursuing a business that wasn't commercially viable. His message? Giving up isn't necessarily failure. Sometimes, knowing when to abort is a skill.
The conversation explores Gareth's Ishi Spiral, his Adjust–Hold–Abort framework, why writing down your intentions can change your behaviour, the power of deliberate practice, and how asking what your future self would think can lead to better decisions.
They also discuss Japanese philosophy, Kaizen, leadership, Ironman racing, burnout, business failure and why high performers can sometimes become victims of their own determination.
If you're ambitious, constantly juggling competing priorities, struggling to finish what you start — or doing so much that you're heading toward burnout — this conversation is for you.
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01:08 Why Gareth removed the word “they” from his book
05:50 What Ishi and “determined intent” really mean
08:24 The brutal double iron-distance race that tested Gareth
09:46 When persistence becomes a problem
12:05 The Ishi Spiral: Adjust, Hold or Abort
14:02 Why quitting doesn't mean you've failed
16:25 Getting 1% better & defeating yesterday's self
18:46 The Intent Card: turning intentions into commitments
28:47 Business failures, burnout & lessons from organisations
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Um I think when you train a triathlete, the triathlete needs to be healthy.
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Yeah.
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And when you train business, I think it's a a holistic thing.
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And I I for me it's it's one problem.
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So you're a multi-coach sort of a guy.
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Yeah.
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He's like the ultima…
