Chapter 79: Strangers by Belle Burden Book Club Discussion

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We're your hosts, Lindsay, Audrey, and Adrian.
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Today is our September book club episode, and we're gonna be discussing Strangers, a memoir of marriage by Belle Burden.
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Before we jump in, let's get into Read Watch Obsessed, where we talk about what we've been reading, watching, and what we're obsessed with right now.
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So grab the beverage you need, snack you deserve, and let's get into it.
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Adrienne, are you ready?
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I'm ready.
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I am reading slash listening to the book called London Falling by Patrick Redden Keith.
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Is that the one that has the green lettering?
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No.
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Yellow.
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I I I just thought it was black and white.
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I think it's I thought it was black and yellow.
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Did he write say nothing?
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Yes.
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Okay, so yeah, it is the one I'm thinking.
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It has green lettering.
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Yellow lettering, greenish lettering.
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Greenish and neon.
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Yes, it's like a neon.
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Yes, you wrote say nothing.
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This is about 19-year-old who jumps off a bridge to end his life.
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And so the family is trying to figure out what in the world happened, and with that investigation, have figured out that he had a whole secret life with like a dangerous criminal underworld that lies beneath London's glittering surface.
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So wow.
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This is nonfiction.
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It's nonfiction, true story.
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I have heard fantastic things.
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I've been lit I just started it yesterday, so I'm only an hour and a half, two hours in.
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I am very anxious to hear because when it first came out, I was like, this is right up my alley.
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I can't wait to read it.
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And then someone, I can't remember who it was, that I know read it and said it was incredibly boring.
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Okay, I've heard complaints.
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So I you need to read it and tell me if I'd like it.
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I will.
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I've started saying nothing like 10 times and then just can't.
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Yeah, I am trying to remember if I listened to that.
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I feel like I couldn't, I feel like I tried and I also could not.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Well, I'm glad that you're into it.
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But I've re like I everything I've read is that this book reads like fiction.
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That's my favorite kind of nonfiction.
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So Okay.
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We'll see.
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Yeah.
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But it might get heavy into like it is long.
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So I would imagine there's some boring parts for sure.
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Okay.
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I'm watching, I've never watched a season of this, but I've I'm gonna try this season.
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So I've watched it so far, Dancing with the Stars.
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Okay, I just asked Lindsay if she was watching it.
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I'm not watching it.
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Obviously, I watch the reels.
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That's how I consume dancing with the stars as I watch the dances the next day on reels.
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I actually am kind of falling this year.
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Yeah.
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Because I'm interested in Jenna Dewan because she's a professional dancer.
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And I'm also interested in the hairy guy because he's also a professional dancer.
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Yeah.
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So I'm like, okay.
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There are so many good people, just people that I am interested in.
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Who's your favorite?
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Oh, I don't know who's my favorite.
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Yeah, I really like so many people.
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I love Tyler Cameron.
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I'm obsessed with I he's the only reason I would potentially watch this.
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Oh my gosh.
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And his dance last night, I was like, oh, I just I love him.
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I'm not sure if he did any dancing, but he definitely took a shirt.
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He did thrusting.
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He thrusted.
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That's a Santa around like Tudor.
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He okay, that was impressive.
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In fact, we were all watching.
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Throw me around.
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And Trey was like, I was like, look at that.
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That's impressive.
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And Trey was like, I can do that.
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Come here.
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And I'm like, I do not trust you.
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I was like, try it on Wells.
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And he's like holding Wells up, but he's like really just putting him on his head.
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I'm like, no, Tyler's arms are fully extended.
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Yeah.
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He was like, he couldn't even really do well.
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So who think like I would have fallen.
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Did you watch The Bachelor at with Tyler on it?
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He was on Hannah's season.
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Yeah.
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No.
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Oh gosh.
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I did watch her season.
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I don't, I think I picked up an episode or here, but I had already dropped the show.
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So it was like, I'm not really interested in this.
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But I I her I I liked Tyler.
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He was my favorite.
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So great.
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Oh my god.
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And I knew that her main guy was from Nashville.
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The one that won.
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Yeah, that had a girlfriend the whole time.
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Yeah.
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And ended up being the kid Jud.
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Yes.
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I think it was Jed, maybe.
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Jed, yeah.
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Jed.
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She picked I can't not go.
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She's I can't believe she picked him.
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I'm glad she has a husband now because she had to redeem herself somehow.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I'm glad she's doing well since she's an author, and one day we might want her on the podcast.
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Oh, yeah.
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True.
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We love you.
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We love you.
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You fumbled Tyler, though.
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I'm sorry.
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I would say that to her face.
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Yes, true, true.
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No, I remember him being very like funny and humble.
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He's so down to earth.
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My favorite part is when there was a guy that came back, Luke.
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Was that his name?
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Oh yeah.
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He like came back.
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Oh, I remember this.
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I saw this.
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And she like moved the podium and he was like, get away from me because Tyler came up.
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And Tyler was like, or what?
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I was like, yeah, or what?
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Love him so much.
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Yeah.
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That's a good person to like, if you can picture people in your head for like a in a romance.
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Yes, yes.
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Yeah.
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He is our version of Rob Raush.
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Who is from Traitors?
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Who's from Love Island and then Traitors.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Like Gen Z is like obsessed with him.
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That's how we move Telegram.
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And Rob, me too.
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So I watch him on Love Island though.
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Mora on it.
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Mara Mora.
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Well, she's she's good.
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She's great.
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I love her.
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I will cheer her on.
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Like, I just, there's a lot of good people.
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Of course, Sierra.
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I she's not doing well.
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Okay.
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But she wants her to do well.
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Yeah.
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She she's not doing horrible.
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There's some people.
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Gianna.
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She got cut.
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Well, I her dance was, I was like, I can't watch.
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It was so uncomfortable.
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See, that's why I can't watch it.
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Because that's why I have to consume it by reels.
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Because I gotta be able to skip it.
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Offended that she got low scores.
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I'm like, girl, you were horrible.
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Horrible.
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So anyway, it's fun.
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I'm hooked.
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I'm I've never been into it, but I like there's a lot of people for me to like follow.
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Yeah.
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And I'm liking even more.
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So that's what I'm watching.
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I my obsessed is.
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Do you guys know the band Need to Breathe?
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Of course.
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So we went and saw them on Thursday night.
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We've that he the Need to Breathe might be the most the band that I've seen the most concerts of.
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We've seen them that seems to be like a common thing for many people.
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I had a girl that I worked for that she had seen them in the 30 times, like 30 plus.
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I have a cousin who has seen them probably in the 20 like times.
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I don't think I'm that hype, but I think it's just like I've been watching them since they were at Exit In, and it was just like um, you know, they weren't anything.
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And so we've we Trey, I Trey loves them.
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It's the one the reason we go, it's the one show that Trey and I both equally love.
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There's not a lot of music that we can like agree.
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Or concerts, like 90s music, we both, you know, things like that we like to listen to in the car.
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But actual shows, I like a more intimate singer-songwriter, someone who is gonna like tell you the story behind their song, and he wants to go to like you know, Bridgestone and see Carly Ray Jupin.
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Or go see Kaigo and see Kaigo.
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I'm not interested in those.
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So anyway, I think that is why, but they were at first bank, which is like you know the little version of us very small red rocks, and it's just great.
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So I've re-kindled and been listening to all their music again.
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Love them.
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Okay, Audrey.
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What about you?
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Okay, I am currently reading.
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I've actually been in a slump, a bit of a slump.
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I had I haven't picked up a book in like I feel since I finished Bright Years.
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So it's been a minute, I feel like.
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So, anyways, but I picked up The Dead Romantics by Ashley Thompson.
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Yay!
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I love that book.
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Don't tell me anything bad about it.
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Okay, so sh I have an arc of her romanticy.
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Oh, the dead romantics is old, girl.
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And that's coming out next year.
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So I have some time, and I wanted I've always wanted to dip my toe into her, and I don't know why I haven't read her.
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She's at my office, she's natural.
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I feel like every time you're like, oh, I need to I need to read.
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I know.
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So I was like, okay, well, it's the perfect time of the year for the dead romantics, I feel like.
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And if I love it, then I can also read the seven-year slip, or I can just go straight into her arc.
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And I'm really excited.
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You know, tis the season for something a little haunted, a little dead.
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How far into it are you?
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I think like 15%, but I've only listened to it so far.
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Oh, that's right.
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How is it on audio?
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It's fine, it's one person, it's not duet.
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Yeah.
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So but it's so far, so good.
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Right up my alley.
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Romance, the guy's really tall.
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You know.
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The guy seemed really hot to me.
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Like I loved him.
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Yeah.
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And could Tyler Cameron play him?
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Now I'm gonna picture him.
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I don't remember, but just picture him.
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Tyler Cameron can play any male leader.
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We should have in my head a segment now.
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Could Tyler Cameron play this male?
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He's gonna be the new person.
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The answer would be yes.
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Is he hot and tall?
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Okay, and then my watch and my obsessed are one and the same this week.
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Okay, what are they?
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What did you watch that you're obsessed with?
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I am currently watching and so obsessed with the show Widow's Bay on Apple TV.
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I I brought it to the show a while ago.
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Yeah, because we she called it Widow's Peak.
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Yeah.
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Remember?
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No.
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Yeah.
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What?
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Yeah.
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How far into it are you?
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Like three episodes.
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Okay, so I'm four episodes in.
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I don't want to be here right now.
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I want to be out watching.
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I heard it's amazing.
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It is it's the perfect blend of funny and horror and like a little bit quirky.
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But and it sounds like not good.
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Amazing.
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Yeah, it is really good.
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It's about an island town off the coast of Maryland, and Matthew Reese, who another one of my obsessions right now, he is the mayor of this town, and he's trying to increase tourism.
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This sounds boring, I know, but it's not.
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But the island consistently has really bad things happen on it.
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Like the taunted kind of thing.
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And the and the locals know that these bad things happen.
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And so they're not very pro-tourism, but he is like, we need people to come to this island.
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Anyways, it is Oh, comedy horror.
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It is, which you know what?
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I'm starting to figure out.
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I think I like that genre.
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Anything that has a comedy horror mix.
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Okay, by the way, I just Googled Widow's Bay.
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I spelled it correctly, but it said this is probably like an Easter egg or something.
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Did you mean the next Martha's Vineyard and Definitely Not Cursed?
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Yes! Yes, that's that's that is an Easter egg.
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It's said in the show.
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Yes, it's it's amazing.
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I would say if I could put two shows together and say this are this is what it is, I would say it's like a shits creek mixed with Twin Peaks.
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But I could never see anyone and watch it.
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I can't describe it any other way.
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So, but it's not that.
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It's also it's it's very original in its own.
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Yeah.
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What's it on?
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It's on Apple TV.
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Oh, how long are the episodes?
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That's what gets me.
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Like 50 minutes.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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But there's 10 of them.
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So it's not I'll watch it.
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But I also, because I'm obsessed with Matthew Reese, I've been watching all of his interviews, especially the ones with Carrie Russell, his wife.
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Yes.
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He is the most charming man.
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He's a he's Welsh, which you would never know because he does such an amazing American actor.
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And so now I want to kind of go back and watch the Americans because he was in that with Carrie.
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So I and I watched like the first season.
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Did you?
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I need to watch it.
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And then also he just did something never been done in history.
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He won two acting awards in one night at the Emmys.
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He won lead actor for Widows Bay.
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Yes, and then Beast of Me.
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Beast of me, he won Best Actor for a miniseries.
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So that's never been done before.
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He's hot hot right now.
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And I tell you what, I love this show.
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Love it.
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I'm obsessed.
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I have to give it a try.
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I also think it's the right amount of horror.
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So if you're like I'm I get scared too easy, it has scary moments, but the whole episode is not freaky.
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Yeah, it's just kind of creepy.
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Yeah.
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I love it.
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It sounds good for like the atmosphere.
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Oh, yeah, it's perfect.
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It's perfect.
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Anyways, that is both my watch and my obsess.
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That's Widows Bay.
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It's on Apple TV.
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It's worth the 15 bucks for one month you're gonna pay to finish it.
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It reminds me of also the movie Jaws.
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Did you ever watch Jaws?
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I've never seen Jaws.
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Oh yeah.
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I have back in the day, but that was like forever ago.
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It's like a town that the shark came and then so people aren't coming anymore.
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And the mayor's like, we have to, we have to open up the beaches.
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That's why things keep happening because he's like, we can't shut down the beaches.
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It has like a same like kind of part of the country.
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Yeah.
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It gives me those vibes.
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It is.
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I feel like that movie, another comp.
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Yeah, I love it.
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Okay.
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Okay, I am currently reading Mrs.
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Quinn's Rise to Fame by Olivia Ford.
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I just got that dirtiest look from Adrian.
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I wish I would have seen it.
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I was focused on what you were saying, so.
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No, it sounds cozy mystery.
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Cozy.
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Hoo day.
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I just showed them the cover, and that is their something I would glance so quickly over.
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Happy birthday then.
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Another birthday.
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Okay, so it is a book about a woman named Jenny, and she's I think 77.
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And she realizes she doesn't have any children and she's married, and she realizes like I am at the final stages of my life.
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And so she decides to apply for Britain's bake.
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Oh my gosh, is this like what you're into right now?
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Because I feel like you just read another book.
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I know I did Golden Spoon.
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She applies for Britain Bakes, and it's like a baking reality show.
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Contest?
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Contest.
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Are you trying to are you trying to get paid by the British Bake Off?
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Like you want to be an influencer?
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No, it's I think it's different.
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I've actually never seen The Great British Bake Off.
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I've only seen Well, I think you probably need to watch any actually.
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I've only ever seen their holiday episodes with celebrities.
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Those are the ones that I don't like.
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Yeah, that's the only ones I've seen.
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Okay, so that's what they say it's about.
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It is so much deeper than that.
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Like it goes deep with her history and like secrets.
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Like it's not at all what you think it is by looking at the cover.
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I mean, it is that, but there's also a lot of other things.
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Somebody told me a while ago.
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No, what the hell?
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It's because Adrian, you would like half of it, but you wouldn't enjoy the other half of it.
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There's too much baking in it.
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Oh, yeah.
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Okay.
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There's too much her talking about what she's making for the show.
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There's too much of that, but you would enjoy the rest of it.
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I don't want to say it because I would encourage people to listen to it, read it.
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I am actually listening to it, but only because it's not available in my library anywhere.
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Oh would you say this is a good Thanksgiving book?
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Sure.
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Same thing like it seems cozy like fall.
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Cozy with substance.
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That's a good way to put it.
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So if you're looking for light and fluffy, maybe not.
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I would say half of it is light and fluffy, and the other half is got substance to it.
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A little more than surface level.
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Loving it.
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I'm 68% in and I don't want it to end.
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Wow.
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Book of the year.
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I love it.
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Maybe.
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And so I'm really enjoying it.
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I would highly recommend to anyone who likes Cozy with Substance.
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Okay.
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And that is Mrs.
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Quinn's Rise to Fame by Olivia Ford.
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And then I watched, okay, I watched the whole season, which was like I think eight episodes of Earl Meets World.
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Oh, is it good?
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I loved it.
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I want to watch it.
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I really like Alex Earl, though, and I have been following her for since she was in college.
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So it I have some background on it, but her life is her parents' life and situation is very interesting to me.
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And so I really wanted to watch to find out more about that.
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Do you know any of that?
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No, I know nothing.
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Do you not want me to spoil her or do you want to tell you because it's her dad cheated on her mom?
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Yeah, but her dad had an affair with do you remember Anthony Spitzer, Elliot Spitzer?
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The like why do I know that a term the he was like a senator or something and he was having an affair with like the prostitute?
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Yes.
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It's her, that's her stepmom.
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Yeah.
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Her background with her family, I think, is really interesting, and that's why I wanted to watch because like I know her.
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I was curious on that whole situation.
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But it was good.
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I liked it.
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But I like her.
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That's good.
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I'm glad you watched it and enjoyed it.
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I will not be watching.
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Why?
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You don't really care.
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Prostitutes.
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No.
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I don't want to watch prostitutes.
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She just doesn't prostitute anymore.
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She's a good one.
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A redemption show about a prostitute.
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No, oh my gosh, help.
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I'm getting canceled.
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I don't care about the prostitute.
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I don't care about Alex Earl.
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That's what I'm saying.
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I don't know anything about her.
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She seems very like level-headed, which is very hard to find.
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And she's like 25.
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Influencer.
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She's 25.
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That's a baby.
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Okay, so I watched it.
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It was good.
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I loved it.
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I'm obsessed with something that is not gonna mean anything to you guys, but I keep wanting to bring it, and there's other things that keep pushing their way in.
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But when this first happened, when the Emmys happened a couple weeks ago and continuing CT and Phaedra's relationship.
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Do you guys have any idea who those people are?
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CT is from The Challenge.
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Yes.
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He's dating Phaedra from Real House Eyes of Atlanta.
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I don't know.
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I saw that.
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I am obsessed with it.
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With the coupling?
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Yes.
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Oh.
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Because I'm obsessed with both of those people.
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I feel like everyone who's challenged people love CJ.
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CT.
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CT.
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They do because can I tell you CT in his prime was one of the hottest people.
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He was very Tyler Cameron.
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And by uh by me saying people, I mean my sister and my cousin.
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Can I tell you that?
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Hold on.
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Like he was like kind of like He's like bad boy though.
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Yeah.
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Tyler Cameron is like, my appeal to him is his I'm not a bad boy girl.
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Like, I like the good guy.
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He is a good guy, but he looks like a bad boy.
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Yeah.
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I love a good guy.
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Okay, well, CT back in the day, he was the bad boy, and he met one of like America's sweethearts on the challenge.
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Oh yeah, she passed away.
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And they were dating, and she had cancer and she ended up dying.
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And he just never really like was the same recovered.
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Yeah.
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So I'm really happy that he isn't he's dated, he's actually married a couple people.
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But I didn't know that.
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Yeah.
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He needs someone that like is like Phaedra.
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Like she's smart, she has her life together.
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She's not a similar age.
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I think Phaedra's older.
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I was that's my guess.
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And I don't know either of them.
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But I saw one picture and she looked older.
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Yes.
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Yes, I think she's older.
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But she's an attorney and she just has like all of her ducks in a row.
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She's very smart.
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She and he needs some of her.
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How did they meet?
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Are they on trader together?
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Okay, that was that one.
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They were on traitors.
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Yeah.
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Alright, are you guys ready to get into strangers?
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Yes.
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I think so.
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Okay, this is your official spoiler alert.
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If you have not finished reading it yet, but you want to, we're gonna be talking spoilers, so turn it off now.
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Alright, so let's start with a summary.
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Strangers is Belle Burden's memoir about the end of her 20-year marriage to a man she calls James.
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The book begins during the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020.
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Belle and her family are at their Martha's Vineyard home when she receives a shocking phone call from a complete stranger.
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The stranger tells her that James is having an affair with his wife.
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And essentially overnight, Belle's understanding of her marriage completely changes.
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The next morning, James tells Belle that he wants a divorce and he leaves.
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James doesn't give Belle the kind of satisfying answer that she desperately wants.
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Instead, she is left trying to understand how the person she spent 20 years with could suddenly make such a massive decision and seemingly become someone she doesn't recognize.
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And that becomes one of the major themes of the entire memoir.
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How well can you really know another person?
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Belle then has to navigate the divorce while also parenting their children and dealing with the emotional fallout of the marriage ending.
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She essentially becomes the default parent while James distances himself from much of the day-to-day responsibility.
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And at the same time, Belle begins looking backward.
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She starts examining the relationship, the warning signs she may have missed, her husband's behavior, and the decisions she made throughout their marriage.
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One of the biggest pieces of this is the prenup.
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Belle realizes she had given James a tremendous amount of control over her financial life.
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The prenup ultimately becomes a major source of conflict during the divorce, and Belle is forced to confront just how much she had surrendered or deferred during the marriage.
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She also starts looking at the women in her own family and the examples she grew up with.
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There is this generational pattern of women tolerating or silently accepting certain behavior from men, and Belle begins to realize that she may have inherited some of these ideas about marriage and loyalty.
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But ultimately, the memoir becomes less about figuring out why James left and more about Belle figuring out who she is after he leaves.
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She throws herself into work, spends long periods walking and thinking, takes on pro bono legal work, and eventually begins writing about what happened.
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And writing becomes a huge part of her healing.
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Her original essay about the marriage was eventually published in the New York Times Modern Life, Modern Love column.
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And that experience ultimately became the foundation for this memoir.
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Belle doesn't necessarily get the perfect explanation she wanted from James.
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She has to learn to live with an answer that is, in many ways, no answer at all.
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Okay.
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How did you guys read it?
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I listened to it.
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Yeah.
00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:42.640
Oh, we all three listened.
00:24:42.880 --> 00:24:43.680
I think that's the way to go.
00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:45.599
Yeah, that's definitely the best way to go.
00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:47.200
She reads her own memoir.
00:24:47.440 --> 00:24:48.319
I thought she did a good job.
00:24:48.559 --> 00:24:49.359
She did a great job.
00:24:49.519 --> 00:24:53.680
And I feel like that it could have gone good or it could have gone bad.
00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:54.720
Yeah, I wonder.
00:24:54.960 --> 00:24:56.079
Oh, like with her reading it.
00:24:56.319 --> 00:25:01.119
Yes, because I feel like sometimes people read their own stuff, and I'm like, you should have hired somebody.
00:25:01.839 --> 00:25:02.880
But it was not bad.
00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:04.799
No, I thought she was, I thought she didn't.
00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:08.000
I didn't, I don't think I realized she was the one that was reading it.
00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:09.039
Yeah.
00:25:09.200 --> 00:25:09.759
Yeah.
00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:12.000
It just seemed like a voice.
00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:13.039
Yeah, right, right, right.
00:25:13.119 --> 00:25:13.200
Yeah.
00:25:13.359 --> 00:25:14.000
It seemed like a voice.
00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:14.640
It seemed like a voice.
00:25:16.160 --> 00:25:22.559
Do you do you remember like months ago, Lindsay, you had said, should I buy it because it was cheap?
00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:22.960
Yes.
00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:31.119
And I was like, I just think the reading experience might be a little bit more boring.
00:25:31.359 --> 00:25:32.000
Yes.
00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:34.960
I do you wish you would have read it?
00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:41.519
Do you are you happy that you I am happy I listened to it only because it was like it was good on audio.
00:25:42.400 --> 00:25:48.400
I am really the more I listen, I'm like either they're good or I hate them and I can't listen to it.
00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:48.960
Yeah, yeah.
00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:50.240
I'm the same way with audio.
00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:53.599
If I if if one thing sets me off, I'm done.
00:25:53.759 --> 00:25:54.160
I'm done.
00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:57.279
I'm like, I cannot listen to your voice say that word again.
00:25:57.440 --> 00:26:01.200
I cannot hear your male version of a voice, woman.
00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:02.880
That's so funny.
00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:06.319
I think I'm just gonna lie.
00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:08.640
So I like this one.
00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:11.200
So I guess I'm glad I listened to it.
00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:12.480
Should we do ratings?
00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:12.720
Yeah.
00:26:12.880 --> 00:26:13.200
Yeah.
00:26:13.519 --> 00:26:15.519
Okay, Adrian, what did you give it?
00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:17.519
I gave it a 3.75.
00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:18.960
Yeah.
00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:22.640
Okay, I gave it a three and a half.
00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:30.240
I originally, when I read it, gave it four, but I definitely sitting on it, bumped it to 3.75.
00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:32.160
Wow, so we're all around the same.
00:26:32.319 --> 00:26:32.799
Yeah.
00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:39.279
I I do wonder why, because I feel like when a memoir is compelling, I never got bored with this book.
00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:41.359
I don't think that I ever was like checked out.
00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:46.160
I feel like every single chapter I was in it, I was listening to it.
00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:53.920
But at the same time, there was lack of it was not as compelling as I I think it was kind of boring.
00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:55.119
Like he had an affair in the beginning.
00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:59.039
I'm like, okay, this is exciting, but nothing else like exciting happened after that.
00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:07.279
I guess the money thing happened, which was like a little exciting, but the rest of it, I'm like, your story's not compelling enough to me to write a story.
00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:08.400
Sorry.
00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:12.160
I think for me, rating memoirs is hard.
00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:13.440
There's people who don't rate memoirs.
00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:16.160
I don't usually rate memoirs, but you know what?
00:27:16.240 --> 00:27:17.680
I didn't even realize like this was a memoir.
00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:18.400
I didn't even think about it.
00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:18.720
Yeah.
00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:19.440
Just rated it.
00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:27.359
Okay, here's what I struggle with in a book like this is you were saying that the content, it didn't feel like enough for a memoir.
00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:27.920
Yeah.
00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:32.480
I I was all in on learning about the marriage.
00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:34.559
I do want, I still want to know what happened.
00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:37.920
I'm yeah, that's why I'm like, you didn't give it to us.
00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:39.599
But she doesn't have it to give.
00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:40.960
Well, then don't write a book.
00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:46.559
Well, I do think the ending where it said, like, this is more about her finding herself.
00:27:46.640 --> 00:27:49.279
And I think it's kind of a warning to women.
00:27:49.519 --> 00:28:00.400
But what I didn't love was I, and this is all memoirs, and you can't necessarily fault the author because it's their choice, but there's missing pieces to me.
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:04.480
There were parts about her kids that I was like, what's really going on here?
00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:06.400
Why is your kid living at a boarding school?
00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:09.599
At a or with neighbor with friends during COVID.
00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:12.079
Like, yeah, and then went to boarding school.
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:14.319
Like, one kid is MIA.
00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:15.200
Totally.
00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:17.119
And doesn't want to live with them.
00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:23.119
And also is she's just kind of like, Well, I'm respecting his space, but what's really going on there?
00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:24.319
That feels weird.
00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:25.920
That felt like glossed over.
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:31.039
Yeah, she was making the friend's parents talk to him about the divorce and stuff like that.
00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:36.640
Yeah, there's like things like that that didn't feel like she and I get it, it's her kids.
00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:43.200
It like you could go through the lens of that's really their story to tell and not really hers why she's glossing over it.
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:52.960
But when you're reading a book like this or a memoir, I want the whole picture because otherwise I'm like, well, why didn't why are you not talking about these things?
00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:53.119
Right.
00:28:53.279 --> 00:29:00.559
Or at least tell say, I'm I can't just like my this my kid's choice to say what why he chose not to.
00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:01.200
You know what I mean?
00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:01.920
Like, let us know.
00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:04.079
Yeah, I also found Let us know.
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:24.000
I also found it funny that she was she seemed to have a real fear of COVID and the pandemic, and she seemed to be respecting it and the the crazy things that were happening, the shutdown, but and yet she let her child live with someone else, and she's saying how scary it is.
00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:28.799
Wouldn't you want the people that you love the most to be close to you so you could protect them?
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:30.960
That is that's a giant question mark to me.
00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:31.359
Right.
00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:38.240
Now, and also knowing your family is being split up, I would be wanting to pull my kids in really close.
00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:39.359
And they may not want that.
00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:49.440
I know it's a teenager, we we all have kind of younger where we still have a lot of control, but still I'm like, he may have felt that she didn't want him.
00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:50.640
Maybe you know what I mean.
00:29:50.799 --> 00:29:54.240
Like, we don't you've got enough drama in your life, you don't care that I'm home or not.
00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:56.720
Yeah, could be okay.
00:29:56.880 --> 00:29:59.759
Let's talk about the title Strangers.
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:05.039
Do you think that James became a stranger to her overnight, or were there red flags that she missed?
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:07.920
I think it's based on like, did I ever really know you?
00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:10.160
Were you a stranger to me this whole time?
00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:14.880
Because what my perspective of is that we knew each other, we were married.
00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:16.640
That's as intimate as you can be.
00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:20.240
And yet you change your mind.
00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:22.400
She didn't she didn't suspect anything at all.
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:29.119
Now, whether or not she saw red flags and there were red flags, that's that's regardless.
00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:35.279
He was someone that she thought she knew she was deeply intimate with on every level.
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:39.119
And then overnight she was like, Who the heck is this person?
00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:45.119
My issue with it is she says, like, I this I was so blindsided.
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:50.880
But me reading the book, I'm like, girl, here's a red flag, here's a red flag, here's a red flag.
00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:55.519
And maybe looking back, she can see it, but she couldn't in the moment.
00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:57.359
But like, how could you not?
00:30:57.599 --> 00:31:06.559
She kind of in interviews, I haven't listened to a ton, but I think she implies still to this day, is like I still stand by there.
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:08.960
I did not see red flags.
00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:12.480
And I and looking back about them.
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:12.960
Okay.
00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:18.799
But I I I don't I don't know that she is what you are I see as a red flag.
00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:28.079
Yes, if she's like, yes, that's she she's got excuses, and that probably is the upbringing and some protection of self.
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:33.839
But I feel like there's a little bit of lack of awareness of like what actually was red flags.
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:44.400
I think a lot of this book is a product of wealth, and so I think this is why I struggled to connect with it very deeply, is because she had high wealth at a very high level.
00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:54.720
And when you have that kind of wealth, the things that are important to you and the things that you're paying attention to are probably not the fact that your husband is, whenever he does have time off, he's spending the time away.
00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:55.599
Do you know what I mean?
00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:55.920
Yeah.
00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:57.839
You're too busy doing your now.
00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:04.319
This sounds judgmental, which I'm not trying to do, but you're probably too busy with your clubs and your country clubs.
00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:06.720
And then am I wearing the right things?
00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:07.839
Am I doing the right things?
00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:10.160
She probably wasn't paying attention to what her husband was doing.
00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:16.960
Are my kids going to fit in the way that they need to fit in in order to be successful and have the right internships?
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:22.720
And, you know, I I just think that probably she wasn't paying attention to or what her husband was the red flags of her husband.
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:24.160
Because isn't that what you're talking about?
00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:29.119
Like the fact that he would like to be like, Yeah, like well, first, like the prenup.
00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:30.000
Okay, yeah.
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:36.799
Yeah, putting that as the biggest his name on the houses and going against what her lawyer is advising.
00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:37.759
And like, what?
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:40.720
But I okay throw a giant red flag.
00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:41.599
I agree.
00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:49.279
And also it, I mean, depending on what you believe marriage to be, you're like, okay, we're in this together.
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:52.880
I don't want to ever believe that you are going to now.
00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:55.119
She's smart, she's an attorney.
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:55.839
I agree.
00:32:55.920 --> 00:32:57.359
And I think giving up her life.
00:32:57.440 --> 00:33:03.680
That was the more concerning thing on my end, was like he coaxed her into she liked working.
00:33:03.839 --> 00:33:05.680
She worked really hard for her degrees.
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:06.160
Yeah.
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:07.680
And to get where she was.
00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:14.000
And I don't know that she was like so consumed with clubs and social life.
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:23.920
Like, she seemed like a mom who they she really enjoyed being in the in nature, hanging with her kids, like seemed to want a quieter life.
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:30.160
And I think she valued work and he really liked, I think that was the control thing.
00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:35.839
If I isolate you from that, then you're not gonna have a leg at leg to stand on.
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:38.079
I've taken the control of money.
00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:40.880
Like a lot of it seemed premeditated to me.
00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:46.720
But it also could be like what he was right, like raised values he was raised around.
00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:49.920
This is men has the woman has to be at home.
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:52.079
I need to have control of the money.
00:33:52.240 --> 00:34:01.680
This is your but he also wasn't really interested in he had a relationship with the kids, but he didn't give them baths, he didn't put them down for baths.
00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:03.440
That's what I'm talking about with that, like right.
00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:07.119
And I was like, okay, how is this not a red flag too either?
00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:07.680
But I don't know.
00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:08.960
He also he works so much.
00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:11.039
I'm like, duh, he's having an affair.
00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:14.159
He works on week, he works seven days a week, please.
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:14.639
Right.
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:43.119
I yeah, because at some point I know that just because you're well, like for us, they're incredibly wealthy, so incredibly well wealthy, but then she's like probably like, yeah, you have to work to maintain, we have to maintain this lifestyle, and you know, you gotta do what you gotta do, but still, like you would think at some point there would be an intervention of you're missing your kids' childhood, you're missing out on all of these things.
00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:46.400
At some point, money cannot be the end all be all.
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:46.960
Yeah.
00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:50.239
But the affair again, that's what you'd be like, yeah.
00:34:50.559 --> 00:34:52.719
No, it wasn't even for her, it was for him.
00:34:52.960 --> 00:35:00.400
I felt whenever, and I know because we have also done this book specifically for our neighborhood book club.
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:08.880
So we have spoken about it a little bit before, but whenever I was reading their beginning stages of their relationship, I actually felt like that they had a very genuine love.
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:14.480
It didn't seem it seemed like like they wrote he wrote letters to her.
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:16.880
There was it's they went, they traveled together.
00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:20.239
Him having money, and I think that changed him.
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:21.360
I agree.
00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:22.400
Okay, yeah.
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:29.119
I I maybe I I agree with what you're saying, is that their their genuine soul connection, and I think that he was.
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:43.519
I really like I I took the interpretation that she really was a more down-to-earth person in that world, and which is probably why they connected, but money he got pulled into that world.
00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:57.119
Yeah, and then I think she wanted to maintain how she always was, and he probably just got really greedy and power hungry, and as I think most people do, yeah, and it helps you move into that.
00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:02.000
Yeah, that's yeah, why she didn't change as much because she came from it already, right?
00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:09.360
Speaking of that, and you kind of touched on it a little bit already, Audrey, but the Belle comes from an extraordinary privileged background.
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:13.920
Despite her privilege, did you feel like you could be sympathetic or relate to her?
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:16.639
Yeah, this was the hardest part of the book for me.
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:24.639
Because every time I was reading it, I was picturing not picturing, I was thinking in my head, but at least you had help.
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:27.440
But at least you had the money to fall back on.
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:30.159
You're sad about losing your second home.
00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:32.239
The key to the beach.
00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:38.480
Yeah, your key to the country club, the the or the private beach, you know, you're worried about your social standing at the country club.
00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:43.679
Like these are all, oh, this is hard because those things are important to people who are wealthy.
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:48.000
And it doesn't mean that it's that what she went through is not devastatingly hard.
00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:54.559
The end of a marriage, and then your spouse turning into someone who doesn't really care to have a relationship with children that you bore.
00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:55.760
That's devastating.
00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:56.320
Yeah.
00:36:56.559 --> 00:37:06.559
But I just for some reason I had a hard time connecting because every time I was like, well, at least she had the money.
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:10.719
Because imagine going through all of this and having nothing.
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:11.360
For sure.
00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:11.679
Yeah.
00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:30.320
She doesn't, she never says, like, you know, I I I think the again, the interpretation that I had, and I read this very early on before that all it a lot of flat came out about how I mean you can obviously see how wealthy she is.
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:34.719
So I know that there's been even more as people have investigated.
00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:54.400
But I think it's more of yes, I'm losing these things, but it's the person I loved and built it with is ripping that like and like this this country club, she didn't actually seem to actually care about the country club other than to be embarrassed and to watch people choose a man who is doing this to her.
00:37:54.559 --> 00:37:54.880
Yeah.
00:37:55.039 --> 00:38:00.079
That betrayal from people that she said, like they're not, they were not her close, they were not her friends.
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:02.079
She never was comfortable there.
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:11.039
But to know that, like, I'm only getting a divorce because he left and I'm the one being punished in every capacity.
00:38:11.119 --> 00:38:11.360
Yeah.
00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:11.519
Right.
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:18.800
Every area of my life and my kids' life is being punished because he decided he's done.
00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:26.159
And and that's the justice part of it from someone that you've claimed to you thought you were the safest in the world with.
00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:26.719
Right.
00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:32.719
That to me is like those are just examples of all the things that he ripped out from her.
00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:37.840
And to know, like you still walk away with all of you win and you destroy.
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:38.880
Right.
00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:39.760
Yes.
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:44.639
I ended up reading it as more like a fun read.
00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:45.599
What?
00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:47.119
Come again.
00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:48.159
Because no one died.
00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:54.320
No, I read it more of like a fun read because well, first I think it shows like this can happen to anyone.
00:38:54.639 --> 00:39:02.320
Your husband can have an affair whether you have no money or millions and millions and millions of dollars and leave and you are still or become a different person.
00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:11.599
Having money or not having money does not affect how emotionally you how susceptible you are, or like how it feels to you.
00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:11.920
No.
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:12.800
Does that make sense?
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:18.239
Heartbreak and betrayal and abandonment does not matter how much money you have.
00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:32.719
However, the reason I read it as like a fun read is because I kept thinking if this were to happen to someone that did not have money and her resources, this would be very sad and more emotional.
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:35.599
So this was just more like fun gossip read to me.
00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:36.400
Does that make sense?
00:39:36.639 --> 00:39:41.760
Well, I think it also gives her the opportunity to do like the healing work.
00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:43.199
Not to say you can't do that.
00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:43.599
Right.
00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:48.639
But when you are like going back to Marg's Got Money Troubles.
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:49.519
Yes.
00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:57.679
There was no time in those first like six months to do anything but take care of a kid and try to pay bills and try to find help.
00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:04.880
Like there was no room to journal and walk in a park and have that.
00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:08.320
That's a luxury that she had in that process.
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:11.599
But I also don't feel like she had a lot of support.
00:40:11.840 --> 00:40:15.599
Like, I'm trying to maybe I'm missing, but did she her mom?
00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:18.639
Uh her family was kind of like get over it.
00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:24.559
Family support, no, but she had the financial ability to pay for help with her kids.
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:26.880
Yeah, she had access to mental health help.
00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:28.800
So she was able to talk to a therapist.
00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:34.159
These are things that for sure people don't have access to and could really help.
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:36.239
So, yes, I see it as a healing journey.
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:43.280
Like, this is even the writing of the book, like what a privilege to be able to, you know, have she's a great writer, writer.
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:45.760
She was highly educated, great writer.
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:54.000
So, but even that is just that's being able to put your story out in the world and have people care about it.
00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:59.199
That is a product of her having money and coming from the background that she's gonna be.
00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:07.679
I feel like she should have been more grateful or more like I don't think she handled that.
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:09.840
Like she did it, not her fault.
00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:11.199
There's nothing she could have done about it.
00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:21.840
I think she used her gifts and her story to I think for like stepping into her talent and to make create something of her own because she lost all of herself.
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:23.599
I don't think she did anything wrong.
00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:25.920
I don't think she should have or could have done anything different.
00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:33.440
I was just saying from a well, she's gotten so much, I think, flack from this.
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:34.559
For what?
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:38.800
For writing, like for why are people feeling sorry for her?
00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:41.360
Like kind of what you said, but more harshly.
00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:42.559
Like you said it very kindly.
00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:43.280
No, no, no.
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:44.400
I I feel devastated.
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:57.920
No, I know, but the the general public when probably a month and a half after this book came out, all of a sudden everyone's like it went from being like this amazing book everyone loved to really quick, like, is she gonna get canceled?
00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:04.079
Because Well, I think that regardless of how much money she has, it's still emotional.
00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:08.800
Her husband of 20 years had an affair, left her, and left her kids.
00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:10.559
I don't care how much money she has.
00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:13.039
That is awful.
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:16.400
I don't think oh go ahead.
00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:16.639
Sorry.
00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:21.280
No, I was just gonna say that's why I think that maybe people are like, oh, why do you feel so bad for her?
00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:24.960
I don't think she wrote it being victimy.
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:25.840
I agree.
00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:27.519
That's I 100% agree.
00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:28.400
I didn't read it like that.
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:30.480
And maybe that's a hard thing to do.
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:36.000
If she had written it like that, then maybe I I could see people being like, okay, like relax.
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:38.719
But I don't think people are jealous, yeah.
00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:44.400
Oh, I'm sure that's why I think if you feel like that, you just need to think of it as just like fun gossip.
00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:44.719
Yeah.
00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:47.199
I was immediately was like, How much money are we talking about?
00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:52.480
And like like you pointed out, Audrey, like it is a privilege and it is a luxury, and that's not her fault.
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:59.440
No, and she's not trying to flaunt that or it and that, but it is that is reality.
00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:04.239
I never thought one time I don't care about what's going on in her life.
00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:11.519
I was very interested in, but in the back of my mind, I was thinking, this is happening to her, this is awful.
00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:20.800
What a privilege it is to be able to have these things, horrible things happen to you, but then also being able to fall back on your own resources.
00:43:21.199 --> 00:43:22.400
Thankfully, she had all that money.
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:24.800
It was never like, I don't care what's happening to her.
00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:26.480
I did, and I enjoyed the book.
00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:29.119
Are you interested to know how much she's worth?
00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:30.000
Yes.
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:44.079
Because that's all as soon as I finished pre-book or this is pre-book, and this is so she talked about how her money that she had was used to buy the houses, and that's why she got the houses.
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:46.880
I think she sold one of them for like 12 million.
00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:49.119
That isn't I saw that recently.
00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:59.760
But when her the majority of her inheritance is she won't receive it until her stepmother dies, this money is gonna be slipped between her and her brother, but.
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:01.280
It's 45 million.
00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:02.079
Oh my god.
00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:03.679
So, like she's fine.
00:44:03.920 --> 00:44:10.000
And then that doesn't even include all the money she's making off the book, the publishing or the rights to the right, right?
00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:10.239
Yeah.
00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:16.960
Um, but I was the other thing I was interested in was how much was the key to the private beach on Martha's Vineyard?
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:17.840
So I looked up.
00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:24.159
Do you have any idea what a key to private black point beach on Martha's Vineyard?
00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:25.920
I I know.
00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:28.159
Is this a yearly, like an HOA fee?
00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:33.119
I think let's just pretend it's a one-time fee because it doesn't say so.
00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:34.639
Let's just six mil.
00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:37.119
What?
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:39.440
Not a house, just access to the beach.
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:40.639
I'm like$800.
00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:42.719
$400,000.
00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:43.360
Oh wow.
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:44.480
I was way over.
00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:47.679
It's just access, access to the beach.
00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:48.719
That is crazy.
00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:50.000
$400,000.
00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:51.519
No.
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:54.400
That's why she's like speak.
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:57.119
I'm he bought it as a present and I won it now.
00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:00.320
Yeah, you better get that$400,000 key.
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:03.360
This is not making it better for me, just so you guys know.
00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:05.599
That's the part I was like, I gotta look it up.
00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:06.719
This is the part that's interesting to me.
00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:08.320
No, it's totally because why is she?
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:22.000
Yeah, like what is yeah, otherwise I just and again, maybe it is the money part, but I'm like, I think when someone does me wrong, I'm just like, I want You want to be petty?
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:24.400
I uh yes, I will be petty.
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:25.679
Yeah, his first sure.
00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:27.199
She was not petty enough.
00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:31.039
I would not want you to be walking away with benefits.
00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:31.440
Right.
00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:33.039
That I gave you.
00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:33.440
Yeah.
00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:42.480
Like that's where like I th it's just like so justice-oriented anger for me that may come off greedy and maybe she was.
00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:51.760
I don't know her, but I'm still like, I would just be like, you are only even where you are because of my family money.
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:52.559
Yeah, yeah.
00:45:53.119 --> 00:45:57.519
I and then you're gonna just act like you it all came from you.
00:45:57.760 --> 00:45:58.320
Yeah.
00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:02.960
And when you leave, you take our friend, our friends, yeah, like they're right.
00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:04.400
No one is everything.
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:06.880
I'm getting money, and I'm stuck.
00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:08.400
Oh, I get the kids.
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:08.880
Right.
00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:10.880
That you literally do not want.
00:46:11.039 --> 00:46:18.719
So I also I don't have the kids, I have their heartbreak, yeah, and I have their emotional grief, and I have my emotional grief while you are out banging the wall.
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:22.880
Living the life, having all of the money that could be going to our kids.
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:34.079
Like it's stuff like that that I'm like, Yeah, that's where I would be furious and probably would come off like a very greedy person because I would be like, Because you're petty.
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:34.800
You can't have that.
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:36.079
Well, she didn't come off that way.
00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:36.960
I know she did.
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:38.239
It's true, she didn't.
00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:40.079
Like, let me just tell you, if it was me.
00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:41.840
And that's having money.
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:44.079
Yeah, she's classier than me.
00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:44.960
I'll tell you that.
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:47.679
We never got James's version of the story.
00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:48.559
Would you want to hear it?
00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:51.199
And do you think it could possibly change your mind?
00:46:51.519 --> 00:46:52.800
I would love to hear his side of the story.
00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:53.840
I would love to hear it too.
00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:54.320
You would?
00:46:54.400 --> 00:46:55.360
I like couldn't care less.
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:56.239
I'm like, get out of here.
00:46:56.480 --> 00:46:59.199
Obviously, he's immediately I just don't want him to make money off of it.
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:00.400
Do it for free.
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:01.599
Do it for free.
00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:06.639
Do it and pay, put it in all of your kids, like, or pay your Yeah.
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:10.079
He seems like he doesn't even care about his side of the story because he said, Yeah, write that book.
00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:10.639
Yeah, yeah.
00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:11.440
Publish that article.
00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:14.719
Well, since it came out, it's like it has a brain tumor or something.
00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:17.119
I mean, I hope he does.
00:47:18.559 --> 00:47:23.519
How do you have so much la like well?
00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:26.159
He says that this is not true.
00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:28.480
And he still has a relationship with his kids.
00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:30.159
He made a statement.
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:32.400
But he's the one who told he read it.
00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:32.880
Yeah.
00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:41.760
And he didn't, if he really disagreed, she said, he would have he would have made a big big stink and like tried to have all of this redacted.
00:47:41.920 --> 00:47:42.559
Yeah.
00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:46.159
Well, maybe he shouldn't have cheated on his partner of 20-something years.
00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:47.599
And abandoned his children.
00:47:47.679 --> 00:47:47.840
Yeah.
00:47:48.079 --> 00:47:51.199
And abandon his children, which is her side of the story.
00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:51.920
So I don't know.
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:52.320
Yeah.
00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:53.199
I don't know.
00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:54.000
Okay.
00:47:54.320 --> 00:48:00.079
What did you think about her writing the book and all of her friends and family and the whole world reading what happened?
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:07.599
I hope that if anything ever goes down in either one of your marriages, that you write a book that I can read if you don't tell me personally every detail.
00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:09.280
And we will get all the details.
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:09.599
Yeah.
00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:11.920
I'll just have to tell you and you can write it because I don't know how to write.
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:14.079
I'll write a song and it'll be called Goodbye Earl.
00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:15.760
Or you guys better be a part of it.
00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:19.440
People, please tell me all your deepest, darkest things that are happening to you.
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:20.159
I want to know.
00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:21.119
I'm that type of person.
00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:26.960
If someone posts on Facebook some like random thing of like everything's gonna be okay, no, I want to know.
00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:29.599
Tell me why you think that everything's gonna be okay.
00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:31.039
Was is everything not okay?
00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:32.079
I want to know.
00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:40.880
I will spend 45 minutes to two hours trying to look and see when when was the last time your husband was in a picture with you?
00:48:41.199 --> 00:48:41.360
Absolutely.
00:48:41.599 --> 00:48:42.480
Or your older child.
00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:44.320
Where is why are they not in pictures?
00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:45.599
Do you are you a strained?
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:46.800
Like, did they run away?
00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:47.679
Are they on drugs?
00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:48.320
What did they do?
00:48:48.559 --> 00:48:49.840
I want to try to find their page.
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:51.360
Like I want to know.
00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:54.079
I have one final question for you.
00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:56.800
Would you have made James the sandwich?
00:48:58.239 --> 00:48:58.559
No.
00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:00.559
Hell no.
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:06.719
That was so that's where I'm like, he must have been like abusive or mentally ill or something.
00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:09.039
Or she just really had no boundaries.
00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:09.519
Yeah.
00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:13.039
I would have been like, make your I wouldn't even like make your own sandwich.
00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:14.159
I'd been like, get out of my house.
00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:17.360
Throwing mayonnaise at his face.
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:19.280
I don't think he would have stepped foot in that.
00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:20.559
He wouldn't have made it into the house.
00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:23.679
No, he wouldn't have had the balls to ask for a sandwich.
00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:25.760
I would have been like, I have a shotgun.
00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:34.400
That's what that shows that he had enough, like that he even asked for a sandwich that he knew he was gonna walk all over her.
00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:44.400
But that also, okay, so it's moments like that where I'm like, what what it tell us more about you because that's a big sign about you as a as a person.
00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:46.239
That you made the sandwich.
00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:48.239
You are just like, oh, okay.
00:49:48.719 --> 00:49:50.159
She gives passive vibes.
00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:54.079
Like she's very passive in her own life from the beginning.
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:56.159
She seems very insecure.
00:49:56.480 --> 00:50:04.000
And when you think about the power structure of her marriage, she was definitely not a I wouldn't say doormat, but maybe.
00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:06.800
Yeah, maybe she seemed kind of door matty.
00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:15.360
And maybe that is why she wrote this book because maybe she's receiving back some of that power that she lost within that marriage and within that breakup.
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:18.960
Man, because she that that also has to be kind of hard to write.
00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:22.320
Like, hey, he had an affair and he left me and he still hasn't told me why.
00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:22.800
Right.
00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:27.760
That's guys, that's sort of it's not, I wouldn't say it's shameful, but it can feel embarrassing.
00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:29.280
Oh, for sure.
00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:30.400
I think it's extreme.
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:32.480
Well, at least she's making money from it.
00:50:32.719 --> 00:50:33.440
True.
00:50:33.679 --> 00:50:43.360
I also I think my biggest, the biggest pain that I felt in this book is the way that women treated her, of like what they said to her.
00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:46.559
I and her doctor, what her doctor said to her?
00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:47.840
Do y'all remember that?
00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:49.119
Yes, I do remember.
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:51.840
It was it was like shocking.
00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:57.599
It was just like you should have you should have never given up your job, or you should have never it had to do with her working.
00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:00.320
Men don't like women who don't work, right?
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:04.480
And then her friends were way more like pro-James.
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:07.440
And I'm like, did these people ever really like like no?
00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:08.880
Were these people everything?
00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:24.239
Surface level friends, and that's really that they're more about the image than they are about that and that's what makes me also think that she might have been more of an outlier in that community as far as being more grounded or just maybe more passive or not more down to earth in the way she looked.
00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:24.960
I don't know.
00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:34.639
I can tell you it was the way she looked, but I'm like, they that she probably didn't connect to women like that, but which does not make it any less painful.
00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:41.679
Again, the justice, like how dare you side with him?
00:51:42.079 --> 00:51:45.519
Yeah, as a woman, I don't even care if you're my friend or not.
00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:51.119
And I don't it's what what benefit are you receiving from siding with him?
00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:52.400
Right, right, right, right.
00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:55.840
He's not gonna give you anything, he's not a part of this community anymore.
00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:56.480
He's gone.
00:51:56.639 --> 00:51:56.880
Exactly.
00:51:57.199 --> 00:51:58.480
He's in New York, right?
00:51:58.800 --> 00:51:59.599
So gross.
00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:00.320
Like what?
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:01.119
It's so good.
00:52:01.519 --> 00:52:05.199
It was shocking to me the things that people would say to her or ask her or tell her.
00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:06.480
And now they're in a book.
00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:07.519
And now they're in a book.
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:08.480
See, there you go.
00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:09.760
Maybe she is a little petty.
00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:11.840
This is her taking back her power.
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:12.639
Yeah, yeah.
00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:12.960
Good.
00:52:13.280 --> 00:52:13.920
Love that.
00:52:14.480 --> 00:52:14.960
Yep.
00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:17.280
Overall, I liked it.
00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:19.440
I think it would have been a great article.
00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:21.280
It was lyrical.
00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:21.920
Too much.
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:22.800
I know that's what I mean.
00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:24.400
Was a little too much for a book.
00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:26.639
But I will watch the movie.
00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:30.159
Speaking of movies, let's get into the casting corner.
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:36.880
Because this book was already picked up and it is set to become a movie at Netflix starring Gwendeth Paltrow as Belle.
00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:38.159
Which that's good.
00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:40.719
But let's talk about who we would have chosen.
00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:42.719
Okay.
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:45.599
I read this before I looked.
00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:50.159
Like, did you guys already know what she looked like prior to reading it, or did you look midnight?
00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:52.880
I did a lot of Googling during reading.
00:52:53.679 --> 00:52:54.960
Googling literally everything.
00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:56.639
I think I did it during reading too.
00:52:56.880 --> 00:53:05.360
I did it after because I was I did this all in like a two-day on a long car ride.
00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:05.760
Yeah.
00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:08.960
And so it was, I was, and I was, I was by myself, so I was driving.
00:53:09.280 --> 00:53:12.320
So I didn't know at all what she looked up like.
00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:21.599
But my person that I chose that I think could be a great casting is Jennifer Connolly.
00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:23.280
Wow.
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:25.920
Oh you just have to dye her hair.
00:53:26.159 --> 00:53:29.119
Jennifer Connolly isn't Belle dark haired?
00:53:29.360 --> 00:53:30.880
No, she's got blonde hair.
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She kind of looks like one of the Paltrow vibes.
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Yeah, you I pictured someone with dark hair the whole time.
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I think that when I was reading it, that wasn't what she looked like before I read the book.
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Jennifer Connolly.
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Yeah, because by the time I read it, it was popular.
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Oh yeah, yeah.
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I hadn't I didn't know anything about her.
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Jennifer Connolly is a generational beauty.
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She, okay, so here's why I because I think she is a down-to-earth, very just natural pretty and stunning.
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She's and quiet.
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When I think of and not like feisty.
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When I think of women that are not of this world beautiful, as in the most beautiful woman I've ever seen.
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Is Jennifer Connolly?
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And she's on like every list of every Well I think she's beautiful.
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I would not like say that she is otherworldly.
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Oh no, I think that is like a common consensus.
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That she's beautiful.
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Anyway, she's too pretty to play it, is what we decided.
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Is that what we decided?
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Too pretty to play it?
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Is that what you're saying?
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Yeah, I just can't picture it.
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But I do think she is very subdued.
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I think she could play like well, okay, here's the thing.
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I looked her up blonde, and she's played blonde.
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Truly, before I knew anything about this woman, just reading it, the vibe I got was like classic look.
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Not someone who is all caught up in the New York elitist, like she's kind of part of it, but is not caught up in it.
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You know, I feel like Jennifer Conley always like is just like almost severe vibe.
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Well, I was gonna say dress.
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Dress is like Jennifer Kennedy, Carolyn Bissard.
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Oh yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yes, she is very like well put together.
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Just like a girl next door a little bit, but gorgeous.
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She's gorgeous.
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That's what I had in mind.
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Okay, I said Laura Lenny.
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Oh gosh, I can't see Laura Lenny, so maybe that'd be.
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But I feel like they have the same look vibe.
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Right?
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Is she too old?
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Just cast her in some, or like, didn't I cast her in something?
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And you were like, I think she's too old, but I also think she's got the she looks the same as Bell Burton.
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Yeah, you know, I when I was trying to think of who to cast, I was trying to think of someone rich and blonde and polished and put together, and all I could think of was Gweneth Paltrow.
00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:08.480
So wait, do you not have anybody?
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I do, but that's already been done.
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No, I just think like that it's perfect casting.
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That's it.
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Yeah, they did a good job.
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Perfect casting.
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Now, if you want to make her like cute and lovable and not so severe, cold and severe.
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I feel like Gwen Paltrow is a little more cold and severe.
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Yeah.
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If you want to make her like cute and bubbly and lovable, she's not though.
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I agree.
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Don't you think?
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Like if you totally change everything about the book, then okay, then who would you cast?
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Jennifer Gardner.
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Oh my god! Wrong.
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No, but she is that she is she's that's a different vibes.
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Like so like when I think of her relationship with Ben Affleck, I'm like he was maybe because I just saw her in Five Star Weekend.
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Yeah.
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And she plays like she does play like that Nantucket.
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She played that character well.
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Yeah, and her husband was also and she was sad.
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That's not spoiler.
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It's the first episode.
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She was sad in it.
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Her husband was having an affair, and she was just kind of like oblivious dum-dum.
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So I feel like she could do it if you're trying to make her cute and lovable and not cold and severe.
00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:16.400
Yeah, okay.
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If you want to change it completely.
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Okay, who would you cast as James?
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I feel like I got a good one for this.
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Okay, you go first.
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I don't have a good one.
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I said John Ham.
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That's who I said.
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What?
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Yeah.
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Okay, so then it's done.
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I looked out where you said it was he was too old.
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He's 55.
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He gives me some.
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As soon as I was thinking of someone, I didn't even have to Google.
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I was like, I think John Ham would be perfect.
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Look at that.
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That Shabam.
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Yeah, he seems very New York.
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He does.
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He seems New York and he also seems like he could be a little sleazy, but also so charming and affable that you could you like all the people would like him.
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Yeah.
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But then he could cut you and never talk to your family ever again.
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Totally.
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I agree with that.
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And he's probably a little too handsome for the real James, but you know what?
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So as one is Pal.
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True, true, true.
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Who'd you choose?
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But I want to know who you chose.
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I chose Ben Affleck.
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Ben Affleck and Jennifer Gardner.
00:58:12.719 --> 00:58:14.480
They should do it and fall back in love again.
00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:18.320
Because they were in No, it'll probably remind her too much of her reality.
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Because I'm 100% sure.
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Oh no, no.
00:58:20.239 --> 00:58:23.280
But Jennifer Connolly and Ben Affleck have been in a movie together, I think.
00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:25.280
Oh yeah, they were in he's just no.
00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:28.559
Oh, that'd be that'd be an ugly looking couple.
00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:29.840
Let me see.
00:58:30.159 --> 00:58:31.760
He's just not that into you.
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That's what I said.
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Yeah, you did.
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That was my film knowledge is elite.
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It really is.
00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:38.960
Actually, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
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Should have.
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But they weren't marr married in that movie.
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No.
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Oh, with her.
00:58:43.599 --> 00:58:45.280
She's married to Bradley Cooper in that.
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Yeah, he's the one that's cheating on her.
00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:48.079
Look.
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Spoiler.
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That's why she came to mind.
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That's why she did, I bet.
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For sure.
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Because then they're like doing, they're like making a house.
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Aren't they redoing their house?
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Renovating their house.
00:58:59.199 --> 00:59:00.000
Yeah, and I've like, yeah.
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She finds the cigarettes and then she figure out.
00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:02.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:03.920
And then she throws the mirror to the ground.
00:59:04.079 --> 00:59:04.800
Hey, don't spoil it.
00:59:04.880 --> 00:59:05.360
I haven't seen it.
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I don't even know what you're talking about.
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You're not gonna remember if you watch it.
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That's true.
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Okay, I think that's great casting.
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I think that Gwyneth Paltrow should pick John Ham.
00:59:14.960 --> 00:59:15.679
I agree with that.
00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:18.239
Gwyneth Paltro, I know you listen to this podcast.
00:59:18.480 --> 00:59:19.360
We know you listen.
00:59:19.599 --> 00:59:22.480
Maybe one of her assistants, like 10 assistants, too.
00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:24.159
I feel like she's taught a lot.
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Yeah.
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And I feel like they read listen, John Hamm.
00:59:29.039 --> 00:59:29.440
True.
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Tell her.
00:59:31.039 --> 00:59:34.480
Okay, are you guys ready to announce our October book club?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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We are going to be reading The Unknown by Riley Sager.
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And I want to preface this by saying I read this last month, and if you listen to our wrap-up, I said that I was dying for them to read it because I wanted to talk about it with them and process it with them.
00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:55.360
So we're I'm forcing them to read it for the booklet.
00:59:56.639 --> 00:59:57.440
You're welcome.
00:59:57.679 --> 01:00:06.880
So we are going to read it and we're going to discuss, and I'm so excited to do it together because I, especially Adrian, really want to know what she thinks.
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This makes me feel very like.
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My opinions are so valued.
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It's because while when you read it, when you read it, you'll understand why I want her specifically to talk to me about it.
01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:23.760
And you can sit there and just look pretty.
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Easy for me.
01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:30.960
All I can think is Bravo, but I don't know what this would have to do with Bravo stuff.
01:00:31.360 --> 01:00:32.639
Definitely not Bravo.
01:00:33.199 --> 01:00:37.599
And all of a sudden, Captain Sandy comes out and rescues them all.
01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:38.880
Okay, I'll give a summary.
01:00:39.039 --> 01:00:39.920
Okay, give us the summary.
01:00:40.079 --> 01:00:40.400
Yeah.
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In 1926, five women disappeared from a remote island in Vermont.
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Now, 100 years later, it's happening again.
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Struggling actress Marin Keene is shocked when she lands a roll role in a major motion picture about the unsolved mystery of New Avalon, an island on sprawling Lake Faraday.
01:00:59.519 --> 01:01:00.239
Is that how you said it?
01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:00.960
Faraday?
01:01:01.119 --> 01:01:01.599
Faraday.
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Faraday in Vermont.
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She's even more surprised when she learns that the role requires a week-long research trip to that very spot because New Avalon isn't your ordinary island.
01:01:12.079 --> 01:01:17.760
A century ago, it was a commune for spiritual mediums until they all vanished in 1926.
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Not long after arriving, Marin and her castmates start realizing that not all is right in New Avalon.
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They hear strange things in the night.
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That episode is dropping the last Tuesday of the month, Tuesday, October 27th.
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That is so perfect for Halloween.
01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:44.079
It sure is.
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Okay, that's a wrap on our September book club episode.
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Don't miss next week's episode.
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We're recapping everything we read in September and revealing what's on our TBRs for October.
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You'll also have to pick me a birthday book.
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Oh yeah, what we do for the month of the birthday is we choose a book for the birthday gal.
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And it is Require Reading.
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Audrey's gift to you.
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I'll research some other books because um Oh, you know what?
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We're just gonna make you read it.
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You're gonna love it.
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Thanks for listening, everybody.
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And please remember a good book is always faster on the block.
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Bye.