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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for doing this today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you'll probably, so everybody knows, get obviously Ruth played everyone's favorite witch on supernatural.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And those of you who are kind of caught up in anomalies, you place a very different witch, one that's more nurturing and kind and it's interesting and interested in saving the world, rather than destroying it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ruth, when you were doing some homework for Roena back in the day, did you look, did you study up on witchcraft, did you look into the history of it at all?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean to be honest, when I first started playing Roena, I find what seemed important to me was that she was a career woman and she was good at what she did and it happened to be witchcraft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: which was one of those things that I suppose was available to women as a thing back in the day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In terms of there would be like a pothorries or medicine women or you know, it can have helpful actually in that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm by no means an expert on the history of witchcraft or anything like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What I found interesting was the way that witchcraft was used in terms of women, for example, who were perhaps in a property on their own.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they managed to actually inherit the property or own the property with all the crazy laws against women having any autonomy, we only just got credit cards in the last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, in nineteen seventy four you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So women actually managed to have some property or land saying that they had building up a reputation of having some kind of power was a good deterrent for people who would potentially come and rape and pillage, et cetera.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you could, so they served a practical purpose.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, of course, there are people genuinely seem to work with what they would think of as magic and witchcraft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, paganism and
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[SPEAKER_01]: All these things, it's hard to not separate the wall and discuss them all separately, but in general terms, the use of witchcraft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As a ceremonial thing as an empowerment, as a religion,
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[SPEAKER_01]: is interesting and I definitely see it as something like the underdog would you or is a way of having some kind of autonomy or energy over something when there wasn't always that availability for women.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then what I found really interesting in my research was the financial aspect of all, which was the church's, for example, without being at, I'm not, I'm not into religious, I just visited the Vatican.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to plug your religion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To me, they're kind of, they're all intertwined, but the way that, you know, for example, churches, they used to see there was no such thing as witchcraft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was no such power.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I personally do believe in energy and exchange of energy and the different ways you can harness it and use it and have a healthy respect for it all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the churches were saying there was no such thing as witchcraft basically trying to get away from paganism, even though all of our holidays pretty much still are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then at one point they decided and I don't know it was a guardian newspaper article that I read about it when I was doing my research.
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[SPEAKER_01]: which happened over a period of time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was learning more and more as time was going on, playing the part and I got more and more interested as it went on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But they realized that membership was dropping and at the time the churches would take ten percent of your income.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, in a Sunday you would offer ten percent of your income.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So membership's important, like Netflix.
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[SPEAKER_01]: point sign up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so they started to say that there was witchcraft, you know, I think it was after them, it was at the Maliah's Maleficarum, you know, but that was published.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They said there was witchcraft in the, this church knew how to save you from it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then this church said, no, we know how to save you from it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And essentially it was a kind of power of gravity and a, and a,
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[SPEAKER_01]: population grab grab to try and get members for financial reasons to keep the churches afloat and women once again in history this is just my perception of why I read anyway forty thousand women lost their life urging
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is predates America some of this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and obviously we know about different witchcraft trials and like the last I saw play it was a great play called the last witch of Scotland and it was not that it was like in the fifties or something the last I think the last women was hanged
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[SPEAKER_01]: it was against the law and that's also interesting I mean it's a big debate right now obviously in America about the separation of church and state and the witchcraft was seen as this other thing you know and I think some of us to do the fear of women and the fear of female power and another warlocks and you know
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[SPEAKER_01]: Shamans and men have, I can be witches too, and I know all that, but largely speaking, it was a kind of war, I think, on female power or a power other than was controlled by the states or churches.
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[SPEAKER_01]: number of her renegade to be a witch and I think Rubina was a real embodiment of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was a real renegade and she was using it for her own benefit and whatever else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, she did have, you know, she did, you know, she had, she wanted to have a make a cover and she or she had aspirations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, that's just, those are just some of the things that I discovered and my research.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think one of the things you touched upon is like the paganism that existed in Scotland and in the aisles, you know, that predated the arrival of Romans by like eight hundred years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, stored hands and all these things, the druids.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think, I think, and it's interesting because like people like people talk about witches today and everybody goes straight right to wick and is like the, yes or wick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think, but Celtic paganism had its own whole different set of like gods and spells and rituals and
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[SPEAKER_00]: which were very unique into themselves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would love to have done a flashback episode to Rwina Bean and Scotland, and we could have explored the kale peas and different mythology that we have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And one of my favorite things, and I've said this at Convention Steeve, maybe you've not heard it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know the song on the Bonnie Bonnie Banks of Loch Woman.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, hi Rude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll take the laurel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's Bonnie Prince Charley.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably talking to his soldier lover and he was saying, you take the high road.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and I'll take the Lord and the Lord and Scotland was when you died, your spirit went under the ground into the earth and traveled through the earth to the place where you were born and your soul rested there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I love that idea about spiritual spirits and spiritualism being from the earth, not in the sky or in the air, a really airsy thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, one person is Charlie saying to this soldier, you'll take the bow and you walk
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to die and I'll take the low road and I'll meet you in the Bonnie Bonnie banks of low home and so yeah, there's some really cool myth mythology and religious beliefs as you see predates of all the modern religions that we have now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even the term, I was doing some research before we jumped on here just about like Scottish magic and witchcraft and the concept of a druid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is purely Scottish, and I didn't know that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right, I knew that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, and then it's been like, and now it's this kind of magical warrior person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of has a deep connection to nature and it kind of ties back into kind of what you were saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the roots of Celtic paganism were more about connection to earth and ritual around earth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what true it's did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that would before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: or Christianity showed up in all of their stuff and druids were like the heads of the pagan church, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they were specific druids were specifically a druid, like a Scottish role in the Scottish term.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was Stonehenge, was that not to do with Druids, too, at that point?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what Stonehenge, but I'm sure it was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, all the, you know, the aisles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just moved past Stonehenge for the first time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I did a convention near there, I'm basing Stoke, I think it was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then quite get to see it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think my flight was late, but I just drove past it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really incredible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the premise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying it's in the same scale, but you're like, God, how did they hit the game?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to waza.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to magic happening that they construct what they constructed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's incredible that they did that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It looked like I don't even know horse and horses for horses on the islands.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think with my mission, Kelpies, Scotland has a long history with
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[SPEAKER_01]: horses and plowing, you know, and I was, I'm quite, you know, I'm quite, I'm quite strong built, you know, like a lot of people working a star damn, you know, I'm not seeing them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's a sturdy stock.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Could you name it in, but you're like, well, you're, you know, good legs for plowing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it horses have an important part of Scottish history and look with these kelpies in the fall, Kirk, if I'm ever visit Scotland, they're beautiful landmark.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They represent two real plow horses that exist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And kelpies were these mythical creatures, half man, half horse, kind of like giant horse, but they came out of the water and it made sense of
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know the white frost and the water those are your white horses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's my understanding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do have one because I know you're going to ask me about my family.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Slate, I do have a horse story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not really magical but it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it speaks to the connection of in nature and animals in that my great grandfather, so my dad's dad's dad and his name was Mick Connell and he lost the mix, so I should be Mick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he was about forty two, my grandpa was very young and there was a bad weather and there was a horse and a ditch and he was
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's known, he was what's known as Gede with a horse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he was like a horse whisperer in a way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's a romantic term for somebody who knew how to handle horses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he spent the evening overnight in this ditch with his horse was kind of on his back and got the horse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Turned around without damaging his legs and saved the horse's life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he died of pneumonia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: From that, from having stayed with the horse over and at the home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that's how we still have Staples in our land in the literature of Scotland now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, there's a lovely history there of air thinness and mythology and magical kind of sort of being the fact that he could somehow had this magic with the horse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: with animals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's wild.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love stories like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You told me a similar story about your grandmother at one point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And my soul, that my dad's mum, Ruby.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was a real practical woman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She brought poor kids, ran a college business.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She ran it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was a Scottish football association.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was nothing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's still alive or she passed?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, she would have been over a hundred now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was nothing when there was a call about Ruby.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was taught when studying in her name or Ruby.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And at the exact same time, I would go home every night after school to her house before my parents got home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be at her house and she tell me stories about the war.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was a land girl in the war and her mother, who used to read T-Leafs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a real Scottish tradition there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and cypress city coffee grains and and South America they read eggs or you know different places than world do different things and it's called and you do the tea lifts and so my great grandmother would read the tea leafs and that was just a kind of I mean as I said she would read them for you or for neighbors or for neighbors for people for friends and it was like an apartment is a parlor game you know that amusement before television and everything else but at the exact same time she
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[SPEAKER_01]: She would say things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For example, my, um, her husband, my great grandfather, was away in the war in the first World War.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they didn't know where they were.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But one night she said to my grandma, I feel like I could reach out and touch her dad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I could reach out and touch her father.
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[SPEAKER_01]: His name was John D. Strackham, and he helped bring the scouts moving into Scotland.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I feel like I've reached out in touch and then they got a postcard, however many days later and it was him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He'd written a postcard on the train and the train had passed the house and arranged where they lived and he'd written in this postcard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am passing the house in a train and I am thinking about you all and I was such a wish I could see you and it was obviously she was somehow sensing that he was
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[SPEAKER_01]: around, you know, that she's, you know, you don't want to be there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of a weird coincidence that has happened in the same week for us, she felt like she could reach out and touch him and he literally physically had been passing the house with no way of
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[SPEAKER_01]: contacting her but in hindsight with his postcard find out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so there was nothing kind, you know, I grew up with these stories and it wasn't like we weren't seeing the word telepathy or, you know, it's kind of understanding of the nature of humans which is we have a sixth sense sometimes about things and that's kind of normal and animal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: an earthy and healthy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's it's a decredible thing to experience for sure and it's a mystery to it's a wonderful mystery to me because it's something that I'd fascinated by.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel like I have intuition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm probably socially awkward at best.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And men are interested in women.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's the thing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Women get credited with intuition.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's instinct in intuition.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And actually, in my experience, men can sometimes, without, they're not meaning to, they can sometimes really hit the nail on the head when they get out of their own way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're just...
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[SPEAKER_01]: They'll just say, are you say something like, were you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Were you the shops?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there was just like a kind of, I think men can be just as intuitive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the chance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think women get more of a chance to be kind of spiritual in that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think men can be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's picking up energy and I think it's also picking up like micro expressions, like people just are able to read some people and maybe it's made, yeah, I think you're right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It tends to be women more than men that are able to kind of pick up on those things and respond to them and use it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's fascinating skill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it's something you can learn, I feel like just people are born with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think some people have a gift and I do think is a practice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can, you know, that, I've read those, all of the books like Blink and, you know, you can explain away most things, you know, you can layer, you can, so you can definitely layer an intuition, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you, you know, my grandfather, my dad said, would say, oh, it's going to rain tomorrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're like, the weather forecast doesn't say that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And sure enough, because he was a farmer and he is lively and dependent on the weather.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he, he was a kind of a, even up until his death bed literally was sitting in the nursing home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to rain and sure enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It rained.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's because, so that's,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's intuition, it's a lifetime of being connected to the elements.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That thing is a little different than human intuition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But somebody walks into a race, it's probably a same skill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But somebody walks into the room, you just feel their energy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes people will know if that's a bad person or if that's a good person there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think, I do think there are some people who really do have a gift, who can, for, for see things and for tell things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that has, I mean, you just have to read any kind of ancient kind of play or tell you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been around meetings and danties and fair no, which I started to do is really actually got really stressed out reading it when I was doing dead boy detectives because I was playing somebody who worked for a day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, two seers in hell are on the third level of hell, for example.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they've got their eyes on their heads on backwards because they spent their whole life trying to look forward.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And with all this, you know, real kind of like foreboding of don't meddle and don't look too far ahead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's, I mean, it's an Christianity fundamentally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't mess around with things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I can go, well, why?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What were we so scared of?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there are charlatans and I think there are people who can read your palm and they're as you say, leading you or but I do think some people have a gift like this like it's like my big bet you know and so people have always been really fascinated by people that have that ability and I do think
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think it's hard to do on-tap, maybe accurate, a hundred percent of the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think there are some people who are definitely have more of a gift than the average person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You could call that intuition, but if people are able to tap into it, that's almost like magic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Depending on how you define magic, I feel like it could be very.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of those things like a real world application of magic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you see me?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see in every day live.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think people who use it for good to give people hope and understand, and especially people who give people hope for people who passed away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I think there's lots of charlatans and I think you have to be careful, but I do think sometimes, you know, to get a message from someone can be a very therapeutic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's kind of, that's, to me, that's a form of
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I don't know if it's magic, but it's similar in the realm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's definitely through the lens of magic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why do you think the concept of witches resonates so much in pop culture, even to that even the practice of it is actually becoming a popular again in people practicing it as a form of spirituality?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To you, I mean, both, this guy, I guess, is a two-sided question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One is like, just witches in pop culture, like, what do you think they continue to resonate and then just which the
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[SPEAKER_00]: expression of witchcraft, the expression of magic, as a family of spiritual practice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, how do you feel like that's, you know, just what's your perspective on that and how do you feel like that's what's happening in society?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hi, perception is that, when I got cast as Ramina, I really loved her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Shimmer and her is a serbigness in her that she was a survivor and that she was a career woman and I took me a minute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was interesting to me that at the same time, more and more shows were popping up about witches, you know, the reboot of Charmed and there was Sabrina and there was more and more things, where it was like, and I thought that that point was a bit, it was a kind of in conjunction with why perceived as the rise of the divine feminine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh, this is, this is interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're kind of changing the perception rather than it's like, you know, I'll switch to the pointy hand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, is this perception changing where is a women or a guy, but mostly women who are somehow empowered with, because they've worked to alchemy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they've worked at the chemistry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're, they can have physicists in their own way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was interesting that
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[SPEAKER_01]: For me, on the show, it was in conjunction with the fact that fans were asking, it seemed to be more on board with a women having a through line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and being there a longer running character.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just feel really fortunate that I felt like I was part of a wave of popularity, of which is that seemed to, you know, it was before the me two and then during the me two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, it's still not easy to be a guy, nobody who's a nice to be a girl, not easy to non-binary.
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[SPEAKER_01]: None of it's easy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I had hoped it was part of a bigger, a bigger train towards self-empowerment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not quite sure, I'm not quite sure I know where we're at, but I'm all for anyone feeling, you know, into their own intuition and their own mysticism and what floats their bow and hopefully using their, their focus and their energy towards
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good for themselves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good for their friends.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good for their family and good for the world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Large.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think obviously there are dark, dark forces now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you have to be careful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I don't know much about Satanism and everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know if we're saying there's good in the world, we'll also have to say there's darker energy too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I, you know, I trained.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I did rakey.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've done a bunch of things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm very, very respectful of the use.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: energy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I think it's put in an hopefully it's just empowerment for more and more people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I think it's, I think spiritual practice, however you express it is important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's, I think it is especially in America.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like having a spiritual dimension to your life has been minimized really.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, it's important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I heard someday I'll see this about, you know, we're going to have the rise of AI.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I have a lot of, I get a lot of satisfaction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I get a lot of, not spirituality.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do, I get like that is to me acting as a spiritual experience in a lot of ways.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm, but not everyone has a job that gives them that, but you can get satisfaction or it can be to support the rest of your life or wherever it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're saying with the rise of AI, you know, people are going to
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[SPEAKER_01]: Perhaps not be doing as meaningful jobs in some ways.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to figure out how it is we fit into the workforce and that other things are going to have to become more important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not maybe going to get the same meaning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, obviously artists are artists, but you might have to find more meaning as I almost like a call to religion and a greater meaning where, you know, maybe we have to work less hours and tell the computers what to do, so the number, three or two, three or two, literally, hopefully.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so the meaning is going to become important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I certainly, again, I have a really, I think church is important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think to just take that way to take religion away or church as a way is not the answer because that's part of what builds community.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wish a lot of religion was just a bit gentler and a bit kinder and a bit more forgiving and welcoming to everybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's how you tap like the community you find for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think if you find the right community to be spiritual and be a religion or spirituality or mysticism or an air hockey club, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, you know, it's just I think it's finding the right community because I think organized, just when things get organized, they get messy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a committee.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, there's a community trying to run for everyone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I get around the globe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It gets messy, I think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know if we when I'd got a medic make a covenant, I'm sure it would have been a lot of doing a lot of red tape.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it would be your accuracy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't anticipate it was bureaucracy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to change gears right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to actually spend some time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know everybody here is signed up for the anomaly community.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen anomaly, but not everybody has signed up for a subscription package.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just wanted to kind of dive into a little bit about what you can offer for about five minutes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then at the end, we're going to
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ruth is going to treat us with a live reading of to bring some anomaly magic to life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've really just before you go and say you're a bit about the power of meditation and meditation of thought and imagination and empathy and that is scientifically measurable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I really love what you're doing with this and I'm so happy to be a part of it because I do think resting our weary brains amidst all of the input in our devices all the time is even more important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, and jumping ahead a little bit, but it's like you mentioned it's all based in science.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's there's a number of things that are proven that we employ an anomaly such as like not just creative visualization, but like the breathing exercise that are included in the top of every episode, those are based on
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[SPEAKER_00]: engineered breath work, like box breathing and fork count breathing, then it only uses the M must work, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then like, you know, sound frequencies, like there's been studies where they've played frequencies for people that like a hundred seventy two megahertz or I think the other one's five hundred forty eight megahertz, like where the hundred seventy two megahertz sound actually makes people comma.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you play sound at a, like I think it's four hundred, five hundred and forty eight, it actually makes people more confident.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you look it up, there's these are all tests done universities and stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we use those sounds in the episodes, you know, within the tranquility episode, we use the tranquility frequency within the
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[SPEAKER_00]: strength episode, we use the confidence frequency, you know, and so there's several modalities that we try to use to incorporate not just like a great story and, you know, a guided visualization and breathing, but we try to sound healing as another big category researched.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, the blasting timers with it and putting out flowers and all sorts, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's a good friend of mine who was a consultant on this project.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His name is Leo Raiderman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a trained sound therapist and sound healer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he actually consulted on our episodes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm going to have him do one of these probably in the fall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's to talk about sound healing and sound healing techniques and what we use them anomaly to help people with sound healing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But apparently, share my little presentation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can already see this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So some of this, Ruth, even you are going to be hearing for the first time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So feel free to chime in and ask questions with a better audience if you have spike.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just wanted to share a little bit about my story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: First, I know a lot of you probably know me from the work I do with Supernatural that are now producing that podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We started making that show in the winter of twenty twenty two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we started publishing originally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think February was really launched the series.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the year before that is where I kind of launched my podcast company and stopped working at Network's studios.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I spent like the first, like the previous fifteen years of my career before my company, I worked at, I worked as a film and TV executive at companies like Fox and NDC.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And those jobs are great, but they're incredibly high pressure and incredibly stressful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it started to kind of manifest itself with me, with severe anxiety and heavy anxiety attacks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And those started to kind of physically impact my body and I developed ulcers and the twitch in my right eye that was involuntary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so this was like in right before COVID and they knew kind of I had to kind of make some changes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was really curious about meditation, but I couldn't find anything that
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[SPEAKER_00]: worked for me that I would want to stick with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Meditation to me was always, it was just kind of boring and repetitive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The people they were doing guided meditations to me all kind of sounded the same.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People talked about a meditation practice, having a meditation practice or a mindfulness practice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is doing it, you know, is practicing, is doing it frequently and doing it over time to really see the benefits of like stronger emotional processing and relieving of stress and all the benefits you really can't just do a one-off meditation, you need to do it over a period of time to see those benefits.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the kind of self care that I was doing was I think what a lot of you already do and don't even know it is like
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[SPEAKER_00]: is re-watching supernatural or re-watching Star Wars or re-reading the Hobbit, is a type of self-care.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not only is it bring nostalgia, but it brings familiarity and messages and brings a community together and gives people an identity about being part of a fandom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To me, it was like, what if we could tell those stories
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[SPEAKER_00]: tells the stories of like Lord of the Rings or tell the stories of Star Wars in the guided meditation format.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because at the end of the day, isn't that what Lord of the Rings and Star Wars is?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is a story about hope and compassion in friendship?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which are all important things and that meditation talks about, but I think by blending the two of them, it takes what I consider kind of hard to do and makes
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's easier to do because you're tapping into a bigger story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's where Namely is, and Namely, with his fantasy world made up of magic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In these first ten episodes, you can meet the characters, you explore the lands, you learn what destroyed Namely and how to bring it back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Along the way you're learning this magic, you're learning how to trust that do a tranquility spell, you're learning how to cast a sleeping spell, you're doing a string thing, temptation, which
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[SPEAKER_00]: isn't just a spell you're learning anonymally, but the analogy is pretty much on the nose of both what the meditation is about and how it's trying to help you in your in the real world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When I was doing my research, there was this this professor, Dr. Ann McKenzie, who founded this term called Applied Fantasy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the Applied Fantasy is basically using fantasy literature and music to provide coping strategies in mental health.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she had, she had identified to kind of main ways this unfold as one is the concept of the individual being part of a community, which you guys are all, I think most of you are most of the people in this live stream are all kind of supernatural fans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so being a part of that community is kind of therapeutic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the second part is the messaging that kind of comes from
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[SPEAKER_00]: the shows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It comes from the fantasy, comes from the guidance that, I mean, how many times do people quoted Yoda or Gandalf or Morpheus in kind of life lessons?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is one of my favorite quotes from Sam Wise Gange.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's about hope.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you talk to hope, you really talked about hope being so important, so important, kind of living our lives every day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But this is the kind of meeting that I get out of rewatching and re-reading the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think trying to bring these kinds of concepts into guided meditation, this brings it that much further because, like you said, if meditating,
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[SPEAKER_00]: has so many benefits and a scientifically proven to have those benefits that that incorporating the stories like this just made a lot of sense to me and in itself the problem of trying to get people to meditate more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's also the power of myth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you're familiar with Joseph Campbell and his concept of the hero's journey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he wrote this book called Hero with a thousand faces where he identified across cultures and across time that all kind of stories have this kind of cyclical pattern and cyclical structure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the same structure that
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lord of the Rings has, this is the same structure that Harry Potter has, the same structure that Star Wars has, where there's to call the action, a heroist challenge, he builds kind of a fellowship or an alliance or a meant group of mentors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He fake faces that challenge may be successful, may not be successful, but at the end comes out the other side, changed in different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think story and myth can go a long way in kind of in all of our mental health journeys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody said in this chat that sound is magic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, sound is magic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're science behind it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The human brain and the human ear can only observe a very narrow
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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of range of sound.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's all this other sound that's happening out there that don't even know about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And plus within science that they're there's the I think this is part of Einstein's theory of relativity that everything is vibrating energy that there is no matter and what is sound but vibration.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then emotionally like I think emotionally sound impacts us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: every day and like, you know, a song that you might cry to the sound of a mother's voice and be able to cause calm a child down, monstrous, we see it ourselves to get to the day and then styrofoam.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hate the sound of styrofoam.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It makes like the hair and the back of my next end up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Try walking on it and heels, that's why I had to do my last episode of supernatural or in that boy did I?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a staircase of styrofoam, anyway, it's an old story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All the different self-care modalities that we're using are all rooted in evidence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the sound healing elements.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I talked a little bit about the frequency responses to certain frequencies of sound.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The breath work and of course the visualization and the storytelling and myth elements.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's a little framework of how it works within the new app.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we see there's three campaigns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as you go through each campaign, additional sound elements are unlocked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you unlock a kind of character car that kind of gives you a biography of the character that just guided you through the campaign.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then once you've listened to all three campaigns, you unlock the season finale and a tree gets planted in the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You get this certificate right here that says a tree has been planted on this planet because you completed the season of anomaly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So not only kind of
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[SPEAKER_00]: making yourself a better person, but you being in the world, it's a better person that makes it a better place, and we're doing something tangible to kind of make the world a better place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, that's a fun new feature that I'm excited about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, we can plant some trees, make a difference.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we've won some awards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think these quotes from Apple Podcasts really kind of prove the theory of what it was going for and that like using story to help with meditation has really helped people
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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of stick with it and with people who haven't been able to kind of stick with meditation before it's kind of been a solution for them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was I was proud that that this kind of was able to have this intact in these people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what's in the future for anomaly so obviously season one of anomaly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is out now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're ready to listen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've written season two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we have the scripts for season two and hopefully we can get those going in the fall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we're trying to get as many subscribers to anomaly as possible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why it's important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're here, you haven't subscribed yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Please subscribe because it's going to help us get more episodes out faster.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the secret of anomaly that that I'll reveal is that is there isn't just one anomaly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: there are anomalies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: While this is, our fantasy world is our flagship show, we're going to use the format of guided meditation to tell other stories.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we have a project in development right now called Saiyans, which takes place in the late nineteenth century, the birth of spiritualism.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's your solving a mystery led by characters who are mediums, clairvoyance, mystics, and hypnotists.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're helping to solve the mystery of the death of her husband.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's one project we have in development.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we have a science fiction project in development as well about frequencies that are intercepted from outer space that have pacifying effects.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And why are they arriving now and what effect are they having on people?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a project I'm excited about that takes it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We really lean into kind of the use of white noise and brown noise and red noise if anybody's familiar with that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, I'm going to hand it back to Ruth, but I found it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He tagged me in a post about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will post that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So everyone can find a zipper gate or
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I definitely, well, I'll do a story together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ruth, I found, I was just springing this on you, but I found a great quote that I loved and I met in an interview you did last year on the ballot, like just getting through challenges in the day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, take one seat, sweet step.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't know what that small sweet step is, do nothing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember saying this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I worked with a coach called Maria Nima.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's eighty one years old.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's got Ph.D.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's been in the open when pretty sure she's far far more wise than I'll ever be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in trying to move forwards in life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Often we get overwhelmed, you know, we wouldn't ever want to get to what we want to overcome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It just seems so big and we can't figure out what we should do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so if you can figure out what one just one small sweet step would be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, just one that one email you could send.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One question you could ask.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One drawer you could take you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just one, you know, just one thing you could do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then that's what life is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a bunch of rules.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like trying to
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[SPEAKER_01]: do the big leaps can be overwhelming.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then if you really can, if you can't figure out what one thing did have a cup of tea, sit down, have a cup of tea and do nothing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's actually okay too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not doing any harm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can kill at your amygdala relax until you can think of the one small sweet step.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's Maria.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love that thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think, you know, I talked about my early career and how stressful it was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got, it was kind of, I was addicted to being dizzy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if my calendar wasn't full from like nine to seven, I've somehow felt inadequate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I love the idea of doing doing nothing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually doing something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they now know him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is so practical.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, human beings need a time out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, people have a four day work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We can some countries in our far more productive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And to say him, remember, you know, Billy Conley, he's one of our national comedians in Scotland.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was married.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He still is married to Pamela.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Gosh, for some of the Braids might be in her name, but anyway, she's famous in the UK too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's my psychologist and he had a play or something to learn and he had like one week to learn, a whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's learning it and learning it and learning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a brilliant man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the day before he went to film or did the show or whatever it was, she said, we're going to the beach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, are you crazy?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I start filming tomorrow and she was like, no, we're going to the beach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that break, that change, that rest away from everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When he turned up, it was all there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if you're doing the work, you're doing the work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think, Stu, too, you don't work out hard seven days in a row.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You do need to rest, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And replenish.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you do, and it's the same, even I think in a daily basis, or just life, we need these little breaks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And anomaly is
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[SPEAKER_01]: I could wait to spend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a way to, you know, and people talk about like, it's you're, they feel like they're transported somewhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's intentional.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like if you can get out of your own heads sometimes, I think it makes a little bit difference.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for doing this today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you'll probably, so everybody knows, get obviously Ruth played everyone's favorite witch on supernatural.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And those of you who are kind of caught up in anomalies, you place a very different witch, one that's more nurturing and kind and it's interesting and interested in saving the world, rather than destroying it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ruth, when you were doing some homework for Roena back in the day, did you look, did you study up on witchcraft, did you look into the history of it at all?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean to be honest, when I first started playing Roena, I find what seemed important to me was that she was a career woman and she was good at what she did and it happened to be witchcraft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: which was one of those things that I suppose was available to women as a thing back in the day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In terms of there would be like a pothorries or medicine women or you know, it can have helpful actually in that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm by no means an expert on the history of witchcraft or anything like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What I found interesting was the way that witchcraft was used in terms of women, for example, who were perhaps in a property on their own.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they managed to actually inherit the property or own the property with all the crazy laws against women having any autonomy, we only just got credit cards in the last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, in nineteen seventy four you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So women actually managed to have some property or land saying that they had building up a reputation of having some kind of power was a good deterrent for people who would potentially come and rape and pillage, et cetera.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you could, so they served a practical purpose.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, of course, there are people genuinely seem to work with what they would think of as magic and witchcraft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, paganism and
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[SPEAKER_01]: All these things, it's hard to not separate the wall and discuss them all separately, but in general terms, the use of witchcraft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As a ceremonial thing as an empowerment, as a religion,
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[SPEAKER_01]: is interesting and I definitely see it as something like the underdog would you or is a way of having some kind of autonomy or energy over something when there wasn't always that availability for women.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then what I found really interesting in my research was the financial aspect of all, which was the church's, for example, without being at, I'm not, I'm not into religious, I just visited the Vatican.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to plug your religion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To me, they're kind of, they're all intertwined, but the way that, you know, for example, churches, they used to see there was no such thing as witchcraft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was no such power.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I personally do believe in energy and exchange of energy and the different ways you can harness it and use it and have a healthy respect for it all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the churches were saying there was no such thing as witchcraft basically trying to get away from paganism, even though all of our holidays pretty much still are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then at one point they decided and I don't know it was a guardian newspaper article that I read about it when I was doing my research.
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[SPEAKER_01]: which happened over a period of time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was learning more and more as time was going on, playing the part and I got more and more interested as it went on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But they realized that membership was dropping and at the time the churches would take ten percent of your income.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, in a Sunday you would offer ten percent of your income.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So membership's important, like Netflix.
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[SPEAKER_01]: point sign up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so they started to say that there was witchcraft, you know, I think it was after them, it was at the Maliah's Maleficarum, you know, but that was published.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They said there was witchcraft in the, this church knew how to save you from it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then this church said, no, we know how to save you from it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And essentially it was a kind of power of gravity and a, and a,
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[SPEAKER_01]: population grab grab to try and get members for financial reasons to keep the churches afloat and women once again in history this is just my perception of why I read anyway forty thousand women lost their life urging
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is predates America some of this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and obviously we know about different witchcraft trials and like the last I saw play it was a great play called the last witch of Scotland and it was not that it was like in the fifties or something the last I think the last women was hanged
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[SPEAKER_01]: it was against the law and that's also interesting I mean it's a big debate right now obviously in America about the separation of church and state and the witchcraft was seen as this other thing you know and I think some of us to do the fear of women and the fear of female power and another warlocks and you know
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[SPEAKER_01]: Shamans and men have, I can be witches too, and I know all that, but largely speaking, it was a kind of war, I think, on female power or a power other than was controlled by the states or churches.
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[SPEAKER_01]: number of her renegade to be a witch and I think Rubina was a real embodiment of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was a real renegade and she was using it for her own benefit and whatever else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, she did have, you know, she did, you know, she had, she wanted to have a make a cover and she or she had aspirations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, that's just, those are just some of the things that I discovered and my research.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think one of the things you touched upon is like the paganism that existed in Scotland and in the aisles, you know, that predated the arrival of Romans by like eight hundred years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, stored hands and all these things, the druids.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think, I think, and it's interesting because like people like people talk about witches today and everybody goes straight right to wick and is like the, yes or wick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think, but Celtic paganism had its own whole different set of like gods and spells and rituals and
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[SPEAKER_00]: which were very unique into themselves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would love to have done a flashback episode to Rwina Bean and Scotland, and we could have explored the kale peas and different mythology that we have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And one of my favorite things, and I've said this at Convention Steeve, maybe you've not heard it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know the song on the Bonnie Bonnie Banks of Loch Woman.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, hi Rude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll take the laurel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's Bonnie Prince Charley.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably talking to his soldier lover and he was saying, you take the high road.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and I'll take the Lord and the Lord and Scotland was when you died, your spirit went under the ground into the earth and traveled through the earth to the place where you were born and your soul rested there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I love that idea about spiritual spirits and spiritualism being from the earth, not in the sky or in the air, a really airsy thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, one person is Charlie saying to this soldier, you'll take the bow and you walk
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to die and I'll take the low road and I'll meet you in the Bonnie Bonnie banks of low home and so yeah, there's some really cool myth mythology and religious beliefs as you see predates of all the modern religions that we have now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even the term, I was doing some research before we jumped on here just about like Scottish magic and witchcraft and the concept of a druid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is purely Scottish, and I didn't know that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right, I knew that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, and then it's been like, and now it's this kind of magical warrior person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of has a deep connection to nature and it kind of ties back into kind of what you were saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the roots of Celtic paganism were more about connection to earth and ritual around earth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what true it's did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that would before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: or Christianity showed up in all of their stuff and druids were like the heads of the pagan church, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they were specific druids were specifically a druid, like a Scottish role in the Scottish term.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was Stonehenge, was that not to do with Druids, too, at that point?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what Stonehenge, but I'm sure it was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, all the, you know, the aisles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just moved past Stonehenge for the first time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I did a convention near there, I'm basing Stoke, I think it was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then quite get to see it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think my flight was late, but I just drove past it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really incredible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the premise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying it's in the same scale, but you're like, God, how did they hit the game?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to waza.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to magic happening that they construct what they constructed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's incredible that they did that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It looked like I don't even know horse and horses for horses on the islands.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think with my mission, Kelpies, Scotland has a long history with
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[SPEAKER_01]: horses and plowing, you know, and I was, I'm quite, you know, I'm quite, I'm quite strong built, you know, like a lot of people working a star damn, you know, I'm not seeing them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's a sturdy stock.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Could you name it in, but you're like, well, you're, you know, good legs for plowing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it horses have an important part of Scottish history and look with these kelpies in the fall, Kirk, if I'm ever visit Scotland, they're beautiful landmark.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They represent two real plow horses that exist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And kelpies were these mythical creatures, half man, half horse, kind of like giant horse, but they came out of the water and it made sense of
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know the white frost and the water those are your white horses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's my understanding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do have one because I know you're going to ask me about my family.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Slate, I do have a horse story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not really magical but it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it speaks to the connection of in nature and animals in that my great grandfather, so my dad's dad's dad and his name was Mick Connell and he lost the mix, so I should be Mick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he was about forty two, my grandpa was very young and there was a bad weather and there was a horse and a ditch and he was
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's known, he was what's known as Gede with a horse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he was like a horse whisperer in a way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's a romantic term for somebody who knew how to handle horses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he spent the evening overnight in this ditch with his horse was kind of on his back and got the horse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Turned around without damaging his legs and saved the horse's life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he died of pneumonia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: From that, from having stayed with the horse over and at the home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that's how we still have Staples in our land in the literature of Scotland now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, there's a lovely history there of air thinness and mythology and magical kind of sort of being the fact that he could somehow had this magic with the horse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: with animals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's wild.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love stories like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You told me a similar story about your grandmother at one point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And my soul, that my dad's mum, Ruby.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was a real practical woman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She brought poor kids, ran a college business.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She ran it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was a Scottish football association.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was nothing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's still alive or she passed?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, she would have been over a hundred now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was nothing when there was a call about Ruby.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was taught when studying in her name or Ruby.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And at the exact same time, I would go home every night after school to her house before my parents got home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be at her house and she tell me stories about the war.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was a land girl in the war and her mother, who used to read T-Leafs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a real Scottish tradition there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and cypress city coffee grains and and South America they read eggs or you know different places than world do different things and it's called and you do the tea lifts and so my great grandmother would read the tea leafs and that was just a kind of I mean as I said she would read them for you or for neighbors or for neighbors for people for friends and it was like an apartment is a parlor game you know that amusement before television and everything else but at the exact same time she
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[SPEAKER_01]: She would say things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For example, my, um, her husband, my great grandfather, was away in the war in the first World War.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they didn't know where they were.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But one night she said to my grandma, I feel like I could reach out and touch her dad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I could reach out and touch her father.
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[SPEAKER_01]: His name was John D. Strackham, and he helped bring the scouts moving into Scotland.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I feel like I've reached out in touch and then they got a postcard, however many days later and it was him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He'd written a postcard on the train and the train had passed the house and arranged where they lived and he'd written in this postcard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am passing the house in a train and I am thinking about you all and I was such a wish I could see you and it was obviously she was somehow sensing that he was
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[SPEAKER_01]: around, you know, that she's, you know, you don't want to be there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of a weird coincidence that has happened in the same week for us, she felt like she could reach out and touch him and he literally physically had been passing the house with no way of
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[SPEAKER_01]: contacting her but in hindsight with his postcard find out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so there was nothing kind, you know, I grew up with these stories and it wasn't like we weren't seeing the word telepathy or, you know, it's kind of understanding of the nature of humans which is we have a sixth sense sometimes about things and that's kind of normal and animal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: an earthy and healthy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's it's a decredible thing to experience for sure and it's a mystery to it's a wonderful mystery to me because it's something that I'd fascinated by.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel like I have intuition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm probably socially awkward at best.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And men are interested in women.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's the thing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Women get credited with intuition.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's instinct in intuition.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And actually, in my experience, men can sometimes, without, they're not meaning to, they can sometimes really hit the nail on the head when they get out of their own way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're just...
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[SPEAKER_01]: They'll just say, are you say something like, were you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Were you the shops?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there was just like a kind of, I think men can be just as intuitive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the chance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think women get more of a chance to be kind of spiritual in that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think men can be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's picking up energy and I think it's also picking up like micro expressions, like people just are able to read some people and maybe it's made, yeah, I think you're right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It tends to be women more than men that are able to kind of pick up on those things and respond to them and use it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's fascinating skill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it's something you can learn, I feel like just people are born with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think some people have a gift and I do think is a practice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can, you know, that, I've read those, all of the books like Blink and, you know, you can explain away most things, you know, you can layer, you can, so you can definitely layer an intuition, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you, you know, my grandfather, my dad said, would say, oh, it's going to rain tomorrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're like, the weather forecast doesn't say that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And sure enough, because he was a farmer and he is lively and dependent on the weather.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he, he was a kind of a, even up until his death bed literally was sitting in the nursing home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to rain and sure enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It rained.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's because, so that's,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's intuition, it's a lifetime of being connected to the elements.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That thing is a little different than human intuition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But somebody walks into a race, it's probably a same skill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But somebody walks into the room, you just feel their energy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes people will know if that's a bad person or if that's a good person there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think, I do think there are some people who really do have a gift, who can, for, for see things and for tell things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that has, I mean, you just have to read any kind of ancient kind of play or tell you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been around meetings and danties and fair no, which I started to do is really actually got really stressed out reading it when I was doing dead boy detectives because I was playing somebody who worked for a day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, two seers in hell are on the third level of hell, for example.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they've got their eyes on their heads on backwards because they spent their whole life trying to look forward.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And with all this, you know, real kind of like foreboding of don't meddle and don't look too far ahead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's, I mean, it's an Christianity fundamentally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't mess around with things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I can go, well, why?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What were we so scared of?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there are charlatans and I think there are people who can read your palm and they're as you say, leading you or but I do think some people have a gift like this like it's like my big bet you know and so people have always been really fascinated by people that have that ability and I do think
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think it's hard to do on-tap, maybe accurate, a hundred percent of the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think there are some people who are definitely have more of a gift than the average person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You could call that intuition, but if people are able to tap into it, that's almost like magic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Depending on how you define magic, I feel like it could be very.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of those things like a real world application of magic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you see me?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see in every day live.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think people who use it for good to give people hope and understand, and especially people who give people hope for people who passed away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I think there's lots of charlatans and I think you have to be careful, but I do think sometimes, you know, to get a message from someone can be a very therapeutic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's kind of, that's, to me, that's a form of
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I don't know if it's magic, but it's similar in the realm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's definitely through the lens of magic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why do you think the concept of witches resonates so much in pop culture, even to that even the practice of it is actually becoming a popular again in people practicing it as a form of spirituality?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To you, I mean, both, this guy, I guess, is a two-sided question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One is like, just witches in pop culture, like, what do you think they continue to resonate and then just which the
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[SPEAKER_00]: expression of witchcraft, the expression of magic, as a family of spiritual practice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, how do you feel like that's, you know, just what's your perspective on that and how do you feel like that's what's happening in society?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hi, perception is that, when I got cast as Ramina, I really loved her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Shimmer and her is a serbigness in her that she was a survivor and that she was a career woman and I took me a minute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was interesting to me that at the same time, more and more shows were popping up about witches, you know, the reboot of Charmed and there was Sabrina and there was more and more things, where it was like, and I thought that that point was a bit, it was a kind of in conjunction with why perceived as the rise of the divine feminine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh, this is, this is interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're kind of changing the perception rather than it's like, you know, I'll switch to the pointy hand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, is this perception changing where is a women or a guy, but mostly women who are somehow empowered with, because they've worked to alchemy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they've worked at the chemistry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're, they can have physicists in their own way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was interesting that
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[SPEAKER_01]: For me, on the show, it was in conjunction with the fact that fans were asking, it seemed to be more on board with a women having a through line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and being there a longer running character.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just feel really fortunate that I felt like I was part of a wave of popularity, of which is that seemed to, you know, it was before the me two and then during the me two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, it's still not easy to be a guy, nobody who's a nice to be a girl, not easy to non-binary.
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[SPEAKER_01]: None of it's easy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I had hoped it was part of a bigger, a bigger train towards self-empowerment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not quite sure, I'm not quite sure I know where we're at, but I'm all for anyone feeling, you know, into their own intuition and their own mysticism and what floats their bow and hopefully using their, their focus and their energy towards
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good for themselves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good for their friends.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good for their family and good for the world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Large.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think obviously there are dark, dark forces now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you have to be careful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I don't know much about Satanism and everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know if we're saying there's good in the world, we'll also have to say there's darker energy too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I, you know, I trained.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I did rakey.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've done a bunch of things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm very, very respectful of the use.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: energy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I think it's put in an hopefully it's just empowerment for more and more people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I think it's, I think spiritual practice, however you express it is important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's, I think it is especially in America.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like having a spiritual dimension to your life has been minimized really.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, it's important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I heard someday I'll see this about, you know, we're going to have the rise of AI.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I have a lot of, I get a lot of satisfaction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I get a lot of, not spirituality.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do, I get like that is to me acting as a spiritual experience in a lot of ways.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm, but not everyone has a job that gives them that, but you can get satisfaction or it can be to support the rest of your life or wherever it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're saying with the rise of AI, you know, people are going to
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[SPEAKER_01]: Perhaps not be doing as meaningful jobs in some ways.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to figure out how it is we fit into the workforce and that other things are going to have to become more important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not maybe going to get the same meaning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, obviously artists are artists, but you might have to find more meaning as I almost like a call to religion and a greater meaning where, you know, maybe we have to work less hours and tell the computers what to do, so the number, three or two, three or two, literally, hopefully.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so the meaning is going to become important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I certainly, again, I have a really, I think church is important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think to just take that way to take religion away or church as a way is not the answer because that's part of what builds community.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wish a lot of religion was just a bit gentler and a bit kinder and a bit more forgiving and welcoming to everybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's how you tap like the community you find for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think if you find the right community to be spiritual and be a religion or spirituality or mysticism or an air hockey club, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, you know, it's just I think it's finding the right community because I think organized, just when things get organized, they get messy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a committee.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, there's a community trying to run for everyone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I get around the globe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It gets messy, I think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know if we when I'd got a medic make a covenant, I'm sure it would have been a lot of doing a lot of red tape.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it would be your accuracy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't anticipate it was bureaucracy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to change gears right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to actually spend some time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know everybody here is signed up for the anomaly community.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen anomaly, but not everybody has signed up for a subscription package.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just wanted to kind of dive into a little bit about what you can offer for about five minutes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then at the end, we're going to
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ruth is going to treat us with a live reading of to bring some anomaly magic to life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've really just before you go and say you're a bit about the power of meditation and meditation of thought and imagination and empathy and that is scientifically measurable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I really love what you're doing with this and I'm so happy to be a part of it because I do think resting our weary brains amidst all of the input in our devices all the time is even more important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, and jumping ahead a little bit, but it's like you mentioned it's all based in science.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's there's a number of things that are proven that we employ an anomaly such as like not just creative visualization, but like the breathing exercise that are included in the top of every episode, those are based on
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[SPEAKER_00]: engineered breath work, like box breathing and fork count breathing, then it only uses the M must work, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then like, you know, sound frequencies, like there's been studies where they've played frequencies for people that like a hundred seventy two megahertz or I think the other one's five hundred forty eight megahertz, like where the hundred seventy two megahertz sound actually makes people comma.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you play sound at a, like I think it's four hundred, five hundred and forty eight, it actually makes people more confident.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you look it up, there's these are all tests done universities and stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we use those sounds in the episodes, you know, within the tranquility episode, we use the tranquility frequency within the
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[SPEAKER_00]: strength episode, we use the confidence frequency, you know, and so there's several modalities that we try to use to incorporate not just like a great story and, you know, a guided visualization and breathing, but we try to sound healing as another big category researched.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, the blasting timers with it and putting out flowers and all sorts, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's a good friend of mine who was a consultant on this project.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His name is Leo Raiderman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a trained sound therapist and sound healer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he actually consulted on our episodes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm going to have him do one of these probably in the fall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's to talk about sound healing and sound healing techniques and what we use them anomaly to help people with sound healing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But apparently, share my little presentation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can already see this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So some of this, Ruth, even you are going to be hearing for the first time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So feel free to chime in and ask questions with a better audience if you have spike.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just wanted to share a little bit about my story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: First, I know a lot of you probably know me from the work I do with Supernatural that are now producing that podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We started making that show in the winter of twenty twenty two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we started publishing originally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think February was really launched the series.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the year before that is where I kind of launched my podcast company and stopped working at Network's studios.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I spent like the first, like the previous fifteen years of my career before my company, I worked at, I worked as a film and TV executive at companies like Fox and NDC.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And those jobs are great, but they're incredibly high pressure and incredibly stressful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it started to kind of manifest itself with me, with severe anxiety and heavy anxiety attacks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And those started to kind of physically impact my body and I developed ulcers and the twitch in my right eye that was involuntary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so this was like in right before COVID and they knew kind of I had to kind of make some changes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was really curious about meditation, but I couldn't find anything that
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[SPEAKER_00]: worked for me that I would want to stick with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Meditation to me was always, it was just kind of boring and repetitive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The people they were doing guided meditations to me all kind of sounded the same.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People talked about a meditation practice, having a meditation practice or a mindfulness practice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is doing it, you know, is practicing, is doing it frequently and doing it over time to really see the benefits of like stronger emotional processing and relieving of stress and all the benefits you really can't just do a one-off meditation, you need to do it over a period of time to see those benefits.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the kind of self care that I was doing was I think what a lot of you already do and don't even know it is like
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[SPEAKER_00]: is re-watching supernatural or re-watching Star Wars or re-reading the Hobbit, is a type of self-care.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not only is it bring nostalgia, but it brings familiarity and messages and brings a community together and gives people an identity about being part of a fandom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To me, it was like, what if we could tell those stories
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[SPEAKER_00]: tells the stories of like Lord of the Rings or tell the stories of Star Wars in the guided meditation format.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because at the end of the day, isn't that what Lord of the Rings and Star Wars is?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is a story about hope and compassion in friendship?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which are all important things and that meditation talks about, but I think by blending the two of them, it takes what I consider kind of hard to do and makes
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's easier to do because you're tapping into a bigger story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's where Namely is, and Namely, with his fantasy world made up of magic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In these first ten episodes, you can meet the characters, you explore the lands, you learn what destroyed Namely and how to bring it back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Along the way you're learning this magic, you're learning how to trust that do a tranquility spell, you're learning how to cast a sleeping spell, you're doing a string thing, temptation, which
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[SPEAKER_00]: isn't just a spell you're learning anonymally, but the analogy is pretty much on the nose of both what the meditation is about and how it's trying to help you in your in the real world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When I was doing my research, there was this this professor, Dr. Ann McKenzie, who founded this term called Applied Fantasy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the Applied Fantasy is basically using fantasy literature and music to provide coping strategies in mental health.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she had, she had identified to kind of main ways this unfold as one is the concept of the individual being part of a community, which you guys are all, I think most of you are most of the people in this live stream are all kind of supernatural fans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so being a part of that community is kind of therapeutic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the second part is the messaging that kind of comes from
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[SPEAKER_00]: the shows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It comes from the fantasy, comes from the guidance that, I mean, how many times do people quoted Yoda or Gandalf or Morpheus in kind of life lessons?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is one of my favorite quotes from Sam Wise Gange.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's about hope.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you talk to hope, you really talked about hope being so important, so important, kind of living our lives every day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But this is the kind of meeting that I get out of rewatching and re-reading the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think trying to bring these kinds of concepts into guided meditation, this brings it that much further because, like you said, if meditating,
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[SPEAKER_00]: has so many benefits and a scientifically proven to have those benefits that that incorporating the stories like this just made a lot of sense to me and in itself the problem of trying to get people to meditate more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's also the power of myth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you're familiar with Joseph Campbell and his concept of the hero's journey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he wrote this book called Hero with a thousand faces where he identified across cultures and across time that all kind of stories have this kind of cyclical pattern and cyclical structure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the same structure that
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lord of the Rings has, this is the same structure that Harry Potter has, the same structure that Star Wars has, where there's to call the action, a heroist challenge, he builds kind of a fellowship or an alliance or a meant group of mentors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He fake faces that challenge may be successful, may not be successful, but at the end comes out the other side, changed in different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think story and myth can go a long way in kind of in all of our mental health journeys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody said in this chat that sound is magic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, sound is magic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're science behind it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The human brain and the human ear can only observe a very narrow
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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of range of sound.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's all this other sound that's happening out there that don't even know about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And plus within science that they're there's the I think this is part of Einstein's theory of relativity that everything is vibrating energy that there is no matter and what is sound but vibration.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then emotionally like I think emotionally sound impacts us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: every day and like, you know, a song that you might cry to the sound of a mother's voice and be able to cause calm a child down, monstrous, we see it ourselves to get to the day and then styrofoam.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hate the sound of styrofoam.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It makes like the hair and the back of my next end up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Try walking on it and heels, that's why I had to do my last episode of supernatural or in that boy did I?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a staircase of styrofoam, anyway, it's an old story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All the different self-care modalities that we're using are all rooted in evidence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the sound healing elements.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I talked a little bit about the frequency responses to certain frequencies of sound.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The breath work and of course the visualization and the storytelling and myth elements.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's a little framework of how it works within the new app.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we see there's three campaigns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as you go through each campaign, additional sound elements are unlocked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you unlock a kind of character car that kind of gives you a biography of the character that just guided you through the campaign.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then once you've listened to all three campaigns, you unlock the season finale and a tree gets planted in the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You get this certificate right here that says a tree has been planted on this planet because you completed the season of anomaly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So not only kind of
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[SPEAKER_00]: making yourself a better person, but you being in the world, it's a better person that makes it a better place, and we're doing something tangible to kind of make the world a better place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, that's a fun new feature that I'm excited about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, we can plant some trees, make a difference.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we've won some awards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think these quotes from Apple Podcasts really kind of prove the theory of what it was going for and that like using story to help with meditation has really helped people
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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of stick with it and with people who haven't been able to kind of stick with meditation before it's kind of been a solution for them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was I was proud that that this kind of was able to have this intact in these people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what's in the future for anomaly so obviously season one of anomaly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is out now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're ready to listen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've written season two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we have the scripts for season two and hopefully we can get those going in the fall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we're trying to get as many subscribers to anomaly as possible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why it's important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're here, you haven't subscribed yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Please subscribe because it's going to help us get more episodes out faster.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the secret of anomaly that that I'll reveal is that is there isn't just one anomaly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: there are anomalies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: While this is, our fantasy world is our flagship show, we're going to use the format of guided meditation to tell other stories.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we have a project in development right now called Saiyans, which takes place in the late nineteenth century, the birth of spiritualism.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's your solving a mystery led by characters who are mediums, clairvoyance, mystics, and hypnotists.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're helping to solve the mystery of the death of her husband.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's one project we have in development.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we have a science fiction project in development as well about frequencies that are intercepted from outer space that have pacifying effects.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And why are they arriving now and what effect are they having on people?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a project I'm excited about that takes it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We really lean into kind of the use of white noise and brown noise and red noise if anybody's familiar with that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, yeah, if you have it signed up yet, use the code magic to get sixty percent off your first month of premium monthly membership, then pushing the on those supernatural podcasts if you've been listening to that recently, we've been using the code stand, either code will work either magic or stand to get sixty percent off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, I'm going to hand it back to Ruth, but I found it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He tagged me in a post about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will post that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So everyone can find a zipper gate or
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I definitely, well, I'll do a story together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ruth, I found, I was just springing this on you, but I found a great quote that I loved and I met in an interview you did last year on the ballot, like just getting through challenges in the day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, take one seat, sweet step.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't know what that small sweet step is, do nothing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember saying this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I worked with a coach called Maria Nima.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's eighty one years old.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's got Ph.D.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's been in the open when pretty sure she's far far more wise than I'll ever be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in trying to move forwards in life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Often we get overwhelmed, you know, we wouldn't ever want to get to what we want to overcome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It just seems so big and we can't figure out what we should do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so if you can figure out what one just one small sweet step would be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, just one that one email you could send.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One question you could ask.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One drawer you could take you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just one, you know, just one thing you could do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then that's what life is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a bunch of rules.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like trying to
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[SPEAKER_01]: do the big leaps can be overwhelming.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then if you really can, if you can't figure out what one thing did have a cup of tea, sit down, have a cup of tea and do nothing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's actually okay too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not doing any harm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can kill at your amygdala relax until you can think of the one small sweet step.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's Maria.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love that thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think, you know, I talked about my early career and how stressful it was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got, it was kind of, I was addicted to being dizzy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if my calendar wasn't full from like nine to seven, I've somehow felt inadequate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I love the idea of doing doing nothing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually doing something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they now know him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is so practical.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, human beings need a time out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, people have a four day work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We can some countries in our far more productive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And to say him, remember, you know, Billy Conley, he's one of our national comedians in Scotland.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was married.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He still is married to Pamela.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Gosh, for some of the Braids might be in her name, but anyway, she's famous in the UK too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's my psychologist and he had a play or something to learn and he had like one week to learn, a whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's learning it and learning it and learning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a brilliant man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the day before he went to film or did the show or whatever it was, she said, we're going to the beach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, are you crazy?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I start filming tomorrow and she was like, no, we're going to the beach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that break, that change, that rest away from everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When he turned up, it was all there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if you're doing the work, you're doing the work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think, Stu, too, you don't work out hard seven days in a row.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You do need to rest, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And replenish.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you do, and it's the same, even I think in a daily basis, or just life, we need these little breaks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And anomaly is
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[SPEAKER_01]: I could wait to spend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a way to, you know, and people talk about like, it's you're, they feel like they're transported somewhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's intentional.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like if you can get out of your own heads sometimes, I think it makes a little bit difference.
