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Books around.
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Well, here you Slad and Billy, we're here to dissect.
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Material time.
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All right, Well that means said, let's go ahead and
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move into Oh my goodness.
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Was this your favorite book?
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Wow?
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I was excited. When's the last time we talked? Matthew Rosenberg?
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Do you remember?
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I can barely remember a song I made Thursday night?
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In what I referenced when I made it?
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All right, I'm gonna say a first name and a
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last name to you is Matthew Rosenberg?
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Right, yeah, jokers puzzle box.
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Oh that's him.
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Does this make sense?
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Now? You can tell you this is fantastic.
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You could tell that it was very much a like, okay,
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what is going on?
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I had a distinct thought while I was reading this book.
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It was like huh and I was like, oh, oh, well.
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I was thinking about how the Marvel Cinematic universe destroyed
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filmmaking in this particular sense. It used to just be
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I have a property I want to adapt into a
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major motion picture. It doesn't connect anything. It doesn't connect
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to anything. We don't live in that universe. So they
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would just do it, and if it did well, they
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would make a sequel to it, and you know, maybe
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it spawns as spin off this or that, but depending
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on how popular it is or how much appetite there
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is for doing that sort of thing. But ultimately it's
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like you can do anything. The world was your oyster.
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You had this broad canvas to paint on, and then
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Marvel came in and the Avengers made so much money
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that everyone stopped doing that. Or everything has to be
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connected now and we have to be very mindful of
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what everyone else is doing. Never worked anywhere else. Robert
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and I talked about this last Monday. Warner Brothers is
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up for sale. It's looking like Netflix is probably gonna
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buy it. There are less and less studios out there,
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which brings us to the Fox purchase, because the Fox
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had the right to the X Men movies, and there
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was a point where they were developing more X Men movies.
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One of them was multiple Man. Oh wow, I would
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have loved to have seen this adapted into a multiple
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Man movie. Oh wow, could you imagine? And I don't
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know what multile man sory they're gonna do. They're probably
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gonna do their own. They probably weren't going to use
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a particular story because that seemed to be what they
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were doing at the time. Was they wore kind of
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point from one hundred yards and an X Men story
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and then completely change it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, But if I had worked for Fox and I
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was executive producing a multiple man movie, I would absolutely
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make this movie. This one right here, This is hilarious.
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This is exactly the kind of tone you would need
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for it. This is really fun story. As a screenwriting exercise,
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I had this idea of an opening of a movie,
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which is guy knocks in the door, guy opens the door,
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The guy one says the guy too, I've come here
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to kill you, and I two says you're late. Now.
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The whole movie is how did we get to this point?
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How's he expected? And what's going on?
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And you know, the two Jamies fighting and the ones
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going I you know, I was trying to go ForwArt
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to time, but like had to come back in time
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to stop. You wait what? And you know everyone's confused
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and you're trying to figure out, like how did we
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end up with to jamies fighting, right, you know, one
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thinking he has to go into the future, one coming
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back from the future going no, no, no, this what
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you're about to do is terrible and it makes everything
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worse it's good. What a marvelous story.
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It's good stuff.
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Ah, this was exciting. I was like, oh, we're getting
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into some time travel stuff.
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At which point you took your pants off right?
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Oh yeah, absolutely, let's get the creative team out here first.
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Multiple Man came out in June of twenty eighteen, written
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by Matthew Rosenberg, art by Andy McDonald, colored by Tamra Bonvillon,
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and a lettered by VC's Travis Lanham.
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Prior to this.
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Just kind of let everybody know Multiple Man, Jamie Madrocks
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has apparently died. The Terrojan miss I think got, you know,
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scattered him out of the earth. We had this, we
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had the Inhumans versus X Men happen, and Jamie Badrox
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was a victim of these Terrigan myths and actually had
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passed away, so he hasn't been around for a while.
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We get into this.
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Book Multiple Man five issues after being believed dead from impox,
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Jamie Madrox is discovered barely alive in a hidden lab
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beneath the X Mansion. Beast stabilizes him, but Jamie learns
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his body is still decomposing. Desperate for a cure, he
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steals a time travel device from Bishop, vanishing into the
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time stream. Moments later, another version of Jamie appears, battle
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hardened and claiming to be from the future, warning beasts
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not to create the serum that kept him alive. Chaos
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erupts when multiple versions of Jamie begins showing up, each
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claiming to be the real one. The confusion worsens when
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a group of powerful alternate future Jamie's, including a hulk
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like one, one that looks like ca and Warlock, fused together.
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We have a robed sorcerer, which the doctor Strange cloak Jamie.
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There's a deadpool Jamie that shows up. They invade the mansion,
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announcing that they've come to recruit him to stop to
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stop the end of the world. These Jamies take the
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reluctant original into a grim dystopian future ruled by a
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tyrannical emperor Madrox. There, Jamie discovers he has become a
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brutal dictator worshiped like a god, and a small resistance
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called the Resistance, led by a teenager named Davy.
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His son with Layla Millerville.
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Walk in and they have his prey painted on the
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wall behind the guy says the Resistance, it's hilarious working
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with a small resistance led by a teenager named Davy,
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his son with Laylah Miller fights against his regime.
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Working with a cyborg forge. Jamie learns that the Emperor's
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empire was built by one of his own dupes gone
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rogue after Beast's serum allowed them to survive independently. So
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let me just stop here real quick to let everybody know,
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if you're not familiar with multiple man, my understanding is
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if I impact myself, like hit myself in some way. Yeah,
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there's gonna be a fun description here.
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Impact in my head went in the wrong.
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Place, not impact an impaction.
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I won't have to go to the hospital for this one,
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all right, thanks, that's great to know. So if I
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hit myself in some way, the impact of that hit
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would possibly shoot off a duplicate. So, Jamie, that's where
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the multiple man thing comes from. If you kill me,
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all the dupes that spawned off of me die. Beeste
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has now created a serum that he can inject into
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a dupe that gets spawned off of me, and that
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person would not if I.
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Was to die, that duplicate wouldn't die.
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So that's the important thing to remember about To see
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him okay, all right, So now that we got that
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out of the way. Determined to undo the apocalypse, Jamie
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hatches a convoluted plan involving sending new duplicates into different
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eras to gather allies and outsmart the time loop itself.
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But when the resistance is crushed, killed and Davy is killed,
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Jamie is captured and brought before the Emperor, another darker
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version of himself. The Emperor kills him without remorse, decapitating
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the man who tried to change fate. The Emperor is
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haunted by the killing, though realizing it was his future self,
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becomes trapped in a cycle of guilt and self destruction.
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That's really interesting because I remember that moment in the comic.
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He cuts Jamie's head off, and supposedly you would feel
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something because if some of his duplicates die, you can
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psychically or somehow there's a tether's if they die, you
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feel it. When he cuts off the head of Jamie
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prime that we've been kind of watching here, he doesn't
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feel anything. And Jamie his last words to the Emperor
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were like, when you do this, you got two choices.
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You can either stop what you're doing right now, or
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you can go ahead and kill me, and then you're
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going to realize how big of a mistake that is.
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So he cuts Jamie's head off, and he doesn't feel anything.
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He realizes that he just killed his future self.
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Now he starts to feel guilty.
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He starts to fall into this bit of pit of despair,
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and he kind of turns a new leaf pretty quickly.
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He soon finds himself transported back to the present just
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as the story began, completing this whole crazy paradox. Meanwhile,
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future versions of Jamie scour alternate timelines, attempting to recruit
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more allies the Sorcerer Supreme, Tony Stark to mutant survivors
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in the year twenty ninety nine, all leading to a
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massive collision of modified mad Rock's dupes at the X
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Mansion as time collapses. There's definitely stuff going on with
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the timeline here. At one point an issue four, Jamie
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keeps going to the same spot over and over and
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then finally it's just not there. Oh, we got a
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new guy, the subordinate that was under Jamie Madrox, the Emperor,
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a guy by the name we're just going to call
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General Madros. He shows up and he's leading an army
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of Jamies to fight the X Men. The mansion just
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kind of gets, you know, blown to smithereens practically. But
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and the finally, when we get to the end, Jamie
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Prime faces off against General Madrocks, both claiming to be
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the original. The two brawl savagely, each trying to reabsorb
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the other, until Jamie finally absorbs his counterpart, only to
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find himself consumed by the same madness. He assumes command
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of the army, but the Hulk Madros sees through his act.
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At Jamie's pleading, Hulk reluctantly kills him to end the
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endless cycle. So he just takes his hands and just
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crushes Jamie's head. And when that happens, thousands of Jamie's
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just dropped to the ground. Every dupe that popped off
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of him just completely.
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They all die. Pretty much.
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The world is left covered in thousands of dead Jamies
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words I never thought I'd say.
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The next day, after a college party.
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The ultimate monument to his fractured identity. Yet and a
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dark Lee comic twist, another Jamie, bearded wearing a Hawaiian shirt,
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steps out of a portal days later, casually asking what
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he missed. The story closes with him walking off into
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the distance, alive again carrying Beast's serum, proving that for
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Jamie Madrox, the cycle of duplication and chaos.
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Never truly end.
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up at the end. So when in this dystopian future,
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when Jamie is like saying, okay, I need you to
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go to this timeline and need you go this timeline.
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This thing.
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He's got all these time devices and he's sending them
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one of them find.
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It isn't not like that Avengers story where they keep
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sending different Avengers. Do I have it backwards? I know
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they got Avengers from different time periods.
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Oh you're thinking Avengers forever you're talking?
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Yeah, yeah, So yeah, this guy they actually show like
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each one of these guys showed up. One shows up
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I think of the Old Man Logan verse. The other
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one shows up in twenty ninety nine. This one guy
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shows up and he runs into cable and parts of
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X Force playing volleyball on the beach. He heads over
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to a bar and you never hear from that guy again.
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Wonder Man was in the other one and they were
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playing volleyball but yeah, he walks up to a bar
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and that's the last thing you hear about him. And
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that's the guy. That's the duke that shows up at
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the end of this which is great. So anyway, I'm
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gonna stop there. I had a blast with this book
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as well. What's your thoughts, Mark?
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I loved it. I thought I could see this being
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its own movie. There's a very clear hero, a very
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clear villain, a lot of mystery. The time travel element
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gives a lot to play with it being an interesting
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to see an actor try to pull off all of
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these different characters which we've seen in other movies before
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Multiplicity with Mike Michael Keaton, yeah, being just one example,
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Ryan Reynolds to a lesser degree with all the Deadpools
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and Deadpool and Wolverine only that's you know that one. Well,
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a little bit with nice Pool, But overall, I thought
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this was a lot of fun. The X Men, I've
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always struggled with the X Men because they can be
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so melodramatic and serious. I was always drawn to the
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Avengers because you got just as much of the Avengers
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fighting evil doers as you got them hanging around the
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pool at the Avenger's mansion. You know, so I enjoyed
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reading it. I think this was handled well. It definitely,
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now that you say it out loud, definitely reminded me
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of a puzzle box. Here. Here's this great mystery, and
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we're going to spend a couple of issues trying to
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get through it. It's a breezy read. It's really short,
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so I think it's only like four issues, five five issues.
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I can tell you, Like I said, I read all
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three of these today and this is the last one
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I read. I think the other character sort of reacting
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to the madness that it is multiple men. Oh my god,
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there's so many of you, and you're all annoying, Like
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beast reacting to him was great.
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stop hitting yourself.
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I really liked I didn't know this about multiple men
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til I read the book. Is that there's a part
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of him. Not every multiple is the same, and them
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have more elements of his personality than others. So there's
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absolutely one that is not necessarily evil, but kind of
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single minded and goal oriented, and that's what leads him
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to be a dictator. Yeah, lessons and moralities for our time.
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Yeah, I mean his kids in the future there, and
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he gets to meet his kid and his kid gets killed.
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We're this is crazy.
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Layla Miller's part of this, and there's some really good
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stories in there. I had a good time here. I
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think Issue four is almost a repeat of Issue one,
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except from different perspectives, which was.
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You're trying to figure out why all of these mad
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Rocks dupes look like heroes. Like he goes into the
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Old Man Logan universe and ends up drinking some of
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the water because he's so thirsty, and this one guy's like.
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I wouldn't drink the Gama radiated water.
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If I was you, And then he turns into the
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Hulk at some point later on in that future the
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twenty ninety nine universe was pretty cool, kind of seeing
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the nod to that.
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The Jamie Madrick that's wearing Cloak from Cloak and Dagger, Yes.
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Yes, and he's transporting him. I like that. I thought
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that was really neat.
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This is a book where it's extremely confusing and you
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don't need to know what's going on. You just need
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to hold on for the ride. You really don't need
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to know everything that's going on with the time stuff.
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You just got to know that Jamie's trying to put
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some something right now. I did have to read through
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a couple of things a couple of times to understand
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who the hell I was looking at, or just realized
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that the Emperor is now the good guy that we've
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been falling since the beginning.
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That was stuff I had to read over a couple
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of times just to make sure I understood what was
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going on.
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I didn't understand what was going on with the serum
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until the very end. I was like, what's going on
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with the serum again? And then I realized that it's
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actually letting them continue to be primes, which was pretty cool.
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But anyway, I had a blast five issues of a
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lot of fun. Matthew Rosenberg can write. A puzzle box
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was more I don't know. I want to call who
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done it? Almost, but really what ended up being is
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like nobody did it. And this one was something kind
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of like just everybody pointing fingers at everybody and actually
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Jamie's pointing at other Jamies trying to figure out what
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the hell is going on? Don't mess with time anyway.
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I had a good time here, man, I don't know
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what else you got to say about it? You got
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anything else?
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I'm good?
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All right, Let's get into plugs here, buddy. What is
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Books around.
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Well, here you Slad and Billy, we're here to dissect.
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Material time.
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All right, Well that means said, let's go ahead and
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move into Oh my goodness.
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Was this your favorite book?
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Wow?
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I was excited. When's the last time we talked? Matthew Rosenberg?
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Do you remember?
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I can barely remember a song I made Thursday night?
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In what I referenced when I made it?
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All right, I'm gonna say a first name and a
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last name to you is Matthew Rosenberg?
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Right, yeah, jokers puzzle box.
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Oh that's him.
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Does this make sense?
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Now? You can tell you this is fantastic.
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You could tell that it was very much a like, okay,
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what is going on?
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I had a distinct thought while I was reading this book.
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It was like huh and I was like, oh, oh, well.
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I was thinking about how the Marvel Cinematic universe destroyed
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filmmaking in this particular sense. It used to just be
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I have a property I want to adapt into a
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major motion picture. It doesn't connect anything. It doesn't connect
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to anything. We don't live in that universe. So they
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would just do it, and if it did well, they
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would make a sequel to it, and you know, maybe
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it spawns as spin off this or that, but depending
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on how popular it is or how much appetite there
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is for doing that sort of thing. But ultimately it's
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like you can do anything. The world was your oyster.
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You had this broad canvas to paint on, and then
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Marvel came in and the Avengers made so much money
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that everyone stopped doing that. Or everything has to be
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connected now and we have to be very mindful of
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what everyone else is doing. Never worked anywhere else. Robert
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and I talked about this last Monday. Warner Brothers is
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up for sale. It's looking like Netflix is probably gonna
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buy it. There are less and less studios out there,
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which brings us to the Fox purchase, because the Fox
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had the right to the X Men movies, and there
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was a point where they were developing more X Men movies.
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One of them was multiple Man. Oh wow, I would
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have loved to have seen this adapted into a multiple
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Man movie. Oh wow, could you imagine? And I don't
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know what multile man sory they're gonna do. They're probably
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gonna do their own. They probably weren't going to use
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a particular story because that seemed to be what they
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were doing at the time. Was they wore kind of
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point from one hundred yards and an X Men story
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and then completely change it.
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Yeah, But if I had worked for Fox and I
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was executive producing a multiple man movie, I would absolutely
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make this movie. This one right here, This is hilarious.
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This is exactly the kind of tone you would need
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for it. This is really fun story. As a screenwriting exercise,
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I had this idea of an opening of a movie,
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which is guy knocks in the door, guy opens the door,
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The guy one says the guy too, I've come here
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to kill you, and I two says you're late. Now.
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The whole movie is how did we get to this point?
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How's he expected? And what's going on?
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And you know, the two Jamies fighting and the ones
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going I you know, I was trying to go ForwArt
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to time, but like had to come back in time
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to stop. You wait what? And you know everyone's confused
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and you're trying to figure out, like how did we
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end up with to jamies fighting, right, you know, one
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thinking he has to go into the future, one coming
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back from the future going no, no, no, this what
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you're about to do is terrible and it makes everything
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worse it's good. What a marvelous story.
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It's good stuff.
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Ah, this was exciting. I was like, oh, we're getting
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into some time travel stuff.
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At which point you took your pants off right?
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Oh yeah, absolutely, let's get the creative team out here first.
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Multiple Man came out in June of twenty eighteen, written
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by Matthew Rosenberg, art by Andy McDonald, colored by Tamra Bonvillon,
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and a lettered by VC's Travis Lanham.
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Prior to this.
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Just kind of let everybody know Multiple Man, Jamie Madrocks
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has apparently died. The Terrojan miss I think got, you know,
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scattered him out of the earth. We had this, we
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had the Inhumans versus X Men happen, and Jamie Badrox
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was a victim of these Terrigan myths and actually had
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passed away, so he hasn't been around for a while.
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We get into this.
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Book Multiple Man five issues after being believed dead from impox,
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Jamie Madrox is discovered barely alive in a hidden lab
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beneath the X Mansion. Beast stabilizes him, but Jamie learns
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his body is still decomposing. Desperate for a cure, he
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steals a time travel device from Bishop, vanishing into the
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time stream. Moments later, another version of Jamie appears, battle
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hardened and claiming to be from the future, warning beasts
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not to create the serum that kept him alive. Chaos
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erupts when multiple versions of Jamie begins showing up, each
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claiming to be the real one. The confusion worsens when
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a group of powerful alternate future Jamie's, including a hulk
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like one, one that looks like ca and Warlock, fused together.
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We have a robed sorcerer, which the doctor Strange cloak Jamie.
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There's a deadpool Jamie that shows up. They invade the mansion,
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announcing that they've come to recruit him to stop to
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stop the end of the world. These Jamies take the
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reluctant original into a grim dystopian future ruled by a
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tyrannical emperor Madrox. There, Jamie discovers he has become a
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brutal dictator worshiped like a god, and a small resistance
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called the Resistance, led by a teenager named Davy.
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His son with Layla Millerville.
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Walk in and they have his prey painted on the
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wall behind the guy says the Resistance, it's hilarious working
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with a small resistance led by a teenager named Davy,
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his son with Laylah Miller fights against his regime.
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Working with a cyborg forge. Jamie learns that the Emperor's
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empire was built by one of his own dupes gone
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rogue after Beast's serum allowed them to survive independently. So
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let me just stop here real quick to let everybody know,
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if you're not familiar with multiple man, my understanding is
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if I impact myself, like hit myself in some way. Yeah,
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there's gonna be a fun description here.
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Impact in my head went in the wrong.
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Place, not impact an impaction.
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I won't have to go to the hospital for this one,
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all right, thanks, that's great to know. So if I
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hit myself in some way, the impact of that hit
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would possibly shoot off a duplicate. So, Jamie, that's where
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the multiple man thing comes from. If you kill me,
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all the dupes that spawned off of me die. Beeste
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has now created a serum that he can inject into
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a dupe that gets spawned off of me, and that
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person would not if I.
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Was to die, that duplicate wouldn't die.
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him okay, all right, So now that we got that
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out of the way. Determined to undo the apocalypse, Jamie
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hatches a convoluted plan involving sending new duplicates into different
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eras to gather allies and outsmart the time loop itself.
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Jamie is captured and brought before the Emperor, another darker
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version of himself. The Emperor kills him without remorse, decapitating
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the man who tried to change fate. The Emperor is
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haunted by the killing, though realizing it was his future self,
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becomes trapped in a cycle of guilt and self destruction.
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That's really interesting because I remember that moment in the comic.
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He cuts Jamie's head off, and supposedly you would feel
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something because if some of his duplicates die, you can
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psychically or somehow there's a tether's if they die, you
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feel it. When he cuts off the head of Jamie
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prime that we've been kind of watching here, he doesn't
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feel anything. And Jamie his last words to the Emperor
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were like, when you do this, you got two choices.
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You can either stop what you're doing right now, or
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you can go ahead and kill me, and then you're
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going to realize how big of a mistake that is.
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So he cuts Jamie's head off, and he doesn't feel anything.
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He realizes that he just killed his future self.
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Now he starts to feel guilty.
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He starts to fall into this bit of pit of despair,
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and he kind of turns a new leaf pretty quickly.
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He soon finds himself transported back to the present just
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as the story began, completing this whole crazy paradox. Meanwhile,
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future versions of Jamie scour alternate timelines, attempting to recruit
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more allies the Sorcerer Supreme, Tony Stark to mutant survivors
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in the year twenty ninety nine, all leading to a
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massive collision of modified mad Rock's dupes at the X
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Mansion as time collapses. There's definitely stuff going on with
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the timeline here. At one point an issue four, Jamie
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keeps going to the same spot over and over and
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then finally it's just not there. Oh, we got a
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new guy, the subordinate that was under Jamie Madrox, the Emperor,
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a guy by the name we're just going to call
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General Madros. He shows up and he's leading an army
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of Jamies to fight the X Men. The mansion just
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kind of gets, you know, blown to smithereens practically. But
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and the finally, when we get to the end, Jamie
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Prime faces off against General Madrocks, both claiming to be
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the original. The two brawl savagely, each trying to reabsorb
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the other, until Jamie finally absorbs his counterpart, only to
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find himself consumed by the same madness. He assumes command
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of the army, but the Hulk Madros sees through his act.
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At Jamie's pleading, Hulk reluctantly kills him to end the
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endless cycle. So he just takes his hands and just
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crushes Jamie's head. And when that happens, thousands of Jamie's
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just dropped to the ground. Every dupe that popped off
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of him just completely.
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They all die. Pretty much.
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The world is left covered in thousands of dead Jamies
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words I never thought I'd say.
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The next day, after a college party.
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The ultimate monument to his fractured identity. Yet and a
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dark Lee comic twist, another Jamie, bearded wearing a Hawaiian shirt,
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steps out of a portal days later, casually asking what
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he missed. The story closes with him walking off into
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the distance, alive again carrying Beast's serum, proving that for
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Jamie Madrox, the cycle of duplication and chaos.
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Never truly end.
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Just a little bit on our Jamie Madrox that shows
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up at the end. So when in this dystopian future,
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when Jamie is like saying, okay, I need you to
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go to this timeline and need you go this timeline.
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This thing.
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He's got all these time devices and he's sending them
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one of them find.
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It isn't not like that Avengers story where they keep
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sending different Avengers. Do I have it backwards? I know
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they got Avengers from different time periods.
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Oh you're thinking Avengers forever you're talking?
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Yeah, yeah, So yeah, this guy they actually show like
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each one of these guys showed up. One shows up
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I think of the Old Man Logan verse. The other
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one shows up in twenty ninety nine. This one guy
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shows up and he runs into cable and parts of
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X Force playing volleyball on the beach. He heads over
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to a bar and you never hear from that guy again.
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Wonder Man was in the other one and they were
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playing volleyball but yeah, he walks up to a bar
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and that's the last thing you hear about him. And
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that's the guy. That's the duke that shows up at
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the end of this which is great. So anyway, I'm
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gonna stop there. I had a blast with this book
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as well. What's your thoughts, Mark?
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I loved it. I thought I could see this being
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its own movie. There's a very clear hero, a very
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clear villain, a lot of mystery. The time travel element
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gives a lot to play with it being an interesting
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to see an actor try to pull off all of
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these different characters which we've seen in other movies before
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Multiplicity with Mike Michael Keaton, yeah, being just one example,
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Ryan Reynolds to a lesser degree with all the Deadpools
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and Deadpool and Wolverine only that's you know that one. Well,
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a little bit with nice Pool, But overall, I thought
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this was a lot of fun. The X Men, I've
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always struggled with the X Men because they can be
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so melodramatic and serious. I was always drawn to the
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Avengers because you got just as much of the Avengers
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fighting evil doers as you got them hanging around the
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pool at the Avenger's mansion. You know, so I enjoyed
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reading it. I think this was handled well. It definitely,
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now that you say it out loud, definitely reminded me
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of a puzzle box. Here. Here's this great mystery, and
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we're going to spend a couple of issues trying to
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get through it. It's a breezy read. It's really short,
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so I think it's only like four issues, five five issues.
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I can tell you, Like I said, I read all
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three of these today and this is the last one
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I read. I think the other character sort of reacting
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to the madness that it is multiple men. Oh my god,
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there's so many of you, and you're all annoying, Like
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beast reacting to him was great.
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Yeah, those two when they start a fighting, it's like,
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stop hitting yourself.
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I really liked I didn't know this about multiple men
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til I read the book. Is that there's a part
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of him. Not every multiple is the same, and them
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have more elements of his personality than others. So there's
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absolutely one that is not necessarily evil, but kind of
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single minded and goal oriented, and that's what leads him
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to be a dictator. Yeah, lessons and moralities for our time.
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Yeah, I mean his kids in the future there, and
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he gets to meet his kid and his kid gets killed.
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We're this is crazy.
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Layla Miller's part of this, and there's some really good
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stories in there. I had a good time here. I
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think Issue four is almost a repeat of Issue one,
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except from different perspectives, which was.
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Yeah. I thought that was pretty neat.
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You're trying to figure out why all of these mad
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Rocks dupes look like heroes. Like he goes into the
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Old Man Logan universe and ends up drinking some of
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the water because he's so thirsty, and this one guy's like.
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I wouldn't drink the Gama radiated water.
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If I was you, And then he turns into the
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Hulk at some point later on in that future the
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twenty ninety nine universe was pretty cool, kind of seeing
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the nod to that.
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The Jamie Madrick that's wearing Cloak from Cloak and Dagger, Yes.
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Yes, and he's transporting him. I like that. I thought
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that was really neat.
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This is a book where it's extremely confusing and you
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don't need to know what's going on. You just need
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to hold on for the ride. You really don't need
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to know everything that's going on with the time stuff.
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You just got to know that Jamie's trying to put
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some something right now. I did have to read through
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a couple of things a couple of times to understand
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who the hell I was looking at, or just realized
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that the Emperor is now the good guy that we've
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been falling since the beginning.
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That was stuff I had to read over a couple
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of times just to make sure I understood what was
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going on.
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I didn't understand what was going on with the serum
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until the very end. I was like, what's going on
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with the serum again? And then I realized that it's
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actually letting them continue to be primes, which was pretty cool.
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But anyway, I had a blast five issues of a
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lot of fun. Matthew Rosenberg can write. A puzzle box
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was more I don't know. I want to call who
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done it? Almost, but really what ended up being is
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like nobody did it. And this one was something kind
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of like just everybody pointing fingers at everybody and actually
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Jamie's pointing at other Jamies trying to figure out what
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the hell is going on? Don't mess with time anyway.
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I had a good time here, man, I don't know
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what else you got to say about it? You got
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anything else?
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I'm good?
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