Bruce Vilanch, Comedy Writer, Songwriter, and Actor

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How from.
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Them and I wish it's the Alison Ingram Show.
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And I'm Alison Aringram. Okay, some of you name they
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know me as evil Millie Elsen from Middle House in
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the FIRIY. But tonight, thank god, I'm Alison Aringram and
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this is the Alison Aringham Show. And here on the
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Alison Ingram Show we talk about things that make you
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feel good, the TV shows, the movies that made us
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feel good and the people who made them. And people
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are doing things now to make the world a better
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and more interesting place. And yes, I have a guest
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who does all of these things. I was on Facebook
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the other day going, yes, he's coming, He's coming, He's going.
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I have known this man since earned a nineteen eight
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vele Da whatever year we collided somewhere at a benefit,
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and have worshiped him for longer than that. Yes, yes, yes,
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you know him. You've seen him always with the T shirts. Yes,
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the strange hair, Yes, the man who writes the oscars. Yes,
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you love him. Bruce the launch, Oh are you? How
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the hell are you?
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I'm moderately heavy, as I will always say, you know,
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and it's carrying on, you know, I refuse and Bette
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Midler always says, I'm not retiring. You can't make me.
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You can't make it. It's good for you.
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I'm like old Queen River. I just keep.
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Rothing in the hall.
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That is the only way. No, my doctors like, don't retire,
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it's bad for you. So yes, we keep going, We
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keep going, We go on. Carol Channing and George Burns
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and Bob Hope working.
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To why stop?
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Why stop? Unless if they make us, if they drag
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us screaming off of the stage. You are, yes, you are.
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You are actually amazingly, you have lived long enough to
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become a legend. You are now like legendary. It's it's craziness,
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it's amazing.
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I'll have another tin to prove it.
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You've written a couple of books, but this is this
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is it, this is truly is the memoir really, and
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it's a half.
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As I mean. I was doing podcasts. There was lockdown
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during COVID and all these podcasts started, maybe even yours,
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and uh I was a guest on them, and they
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were asking me questions about these TV shows I had
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done in the seventies, which was before before most of
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them were born. The kids who were.
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Running these podcasts and said, how do you know about this?
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Well, it's all on YouTube myself, and they want to
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know about the the disasters, the Star Wars special, the.
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Brady Bunch very hour.
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As I was going along and I'm at the point
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in my life where I thought, oh, I could do
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a memoir, but everybody does them.
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And I thought, well, this is like a half hashed memoir.
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I'll do a book about how I wrote the worst
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shows in TV history and lived. And I called it.
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It seemed like a bad idea at the time.
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I'm covered. I mean, as soon as I heard the title,
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I heard from Harlan cioh yes, he's finally done a book.
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It seems like a bad idea. And I'm like, yes, yes, yes, God, yes,
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I started and yeah, that's the thing is we get
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to various ages, and there are young people who are
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digging up. I mean, I am constantly reminded of my
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love Boat and Fantasy Island from nineteen eighties because they
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exist out there in the there, and very young people
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are like, and I got a batch in your love
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about again. But Nancy help how there's a game show
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network and match game Hollywood Squares that I was on
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resurfaces from the depths, yet that they bought.
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A whole bunch of old Hollywood squares things. Yeah so yeah.
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So we now are faced with our previous crimes cannot
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be covered up. Unfortunately, Internet health you can escape.
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Now the Internet took care of that.
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It is doomed us off. And yes, you have the
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most famous one or infamous one, one which is open
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right up with this is the most insane one is
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the Star Wars Christmas Special. And if those of you
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that have never seen the Kirk Star Wars Christmas Special.
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It's the Holiday Special because George Lucas invented a holiday
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called Life Day, which was what we were celebrating.
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It airedie Thanksgiving of nineteen seventy Okay, so it was an.
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All and that's a Wookie Chewbacca Holiday Day.
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Absolutely, yes, it's the Wookie.
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It was an original. George had ten stories.
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He had Star Wars Episode one, which we now know
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is actually episode four. He came out in the summer
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of seventy seven, and eighteen months later he was about
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to start the Empire strikes Back episode two, now known
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as Episode five, and he wanted to stir the pot,
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so he came up with this idea. He had ten
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story ideas for Star Wars and he sold them all
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all off to one one format or another, and this
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was the last one in the barrel, and he sold
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it to CBS as an original musical. Now, I think
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if George knew anything about variety of television, he would
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not have sold this. No, no, because first of all,
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he wouldn't have sold an original musical starring the Wookies.
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Were the fact that the Wookies.
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Who sound like fat people having orgasms me, I know
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he would.
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Not have done that.
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In the fact a musical, I mean, isn't just like
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one of the first times we see Boba Fett.
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Well, that was what it's remembered for by the Star Wars.
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Jut crazy, it is technically Bulba.
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Fetts intelligy of the nerds, you know, the Star Wars fanatics,
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and Bubba Fett was. He wanted a feature length animation
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of Bubba Fett, but he couldn't make a deal, and
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so he went to Canada and did a ten minute
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version of it, and we inserted that into the special
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as a as a thing that the Wookie, little Wookie
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Itchy sees on his his sort of Walkman and us.
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Were technically inventing the iPad. In this.
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Also we had a VR helmet, which was what did
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you do in those days?
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George came in with that one day invented virtual reality.
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Yeah, exactly, there, there it is, and so uh uh
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that's but finally, I mean he would not let go,
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but he would not let go of Life Day and
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would not let go Bubba. When he sold his company
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to Disney. Two of the things that he got to
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do was he sold the Star Wars Holiday Special as
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a remake with for Lego did and they made a
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whole new show with Daisy Ridley and Dais Ridley Lego
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looks a lot like Rosey O'donald's very Oh my gosh.
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Literally there's literally is because I have not seen that.
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There is literally a Lego version.
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But it's not the same show, but there that's where
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the resemblance.
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Okay.
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And at the same time, he sold Bubba Fett as
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a series on Disney.
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Plus right, which is great, which.
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Is which is so now that Bubba Fett has his
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own universe and it's a wonderful thing.
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I'm very happy for him.
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Yeah, the Star warst that's the funny part that was
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the show that we did not we we like put
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the cassette in and that was so bonkers.
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You go through all of these like horrifying shows that
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the Paul Lynd which became like what holiday did we
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do for Paul Land and he gave him Halloween, which
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totally freaking makes sense. Well, he that should have worked
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really well.
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Well, he was also Uncle Arthur on V so he
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had a witchy connection and that's what we used that
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to give him a family of witches, the Wicking Witch
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of the West and which Pooh.
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They were all in on the show.
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You had the actual Wicked Witch to the West.
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Yeah, we had Margaret Hamilt.
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It's freaking Margaret Hamilton, and you had wit.
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Wed The Koachs are out of retirement, but she said, well,
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this thing is just so weird. I have to be
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a part of it. And we had Billy Hayes who
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was actually witchy Pooh and uh yeah, and they and
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they came in and it was produced by Booker.
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And Foster.
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And and Booker and Foster, which is great. When I went,
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oh my god, Bob Booker and George Foster, I reckon
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because they are infamous for the first Family Album in
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the very very very early six He's a comedy album
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about JFK and Jackie and the kids in the fact,
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and it's super duper soft squishy by today's standards. But
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it was like shock Shock Kill Horror were making fun
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of the President and my mother. Norma McMillan is the
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person who did the voice of Little Caroline and John
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John the children on that and then became Casper the
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Friendly Ghost and a bunch of weird stuff. So yes,
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I was like, on my god, Bob Booker is now
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in this story, what is happening?
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Yeah, well, yeah, they had a good relationship. He and
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George had a good relationship with Paul So and Paul
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did about the seven different specials and they were all
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themed to things, and Halloween was the most natural holiday
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to attach them to. And I've been writing for him
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from uh, Donnie and Marie when he was on Donnie
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Marie and the very first version of Hollywood Squares towards
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the end of it, so it was kind of a
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ridiculously happy marriage.
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But it was such a silly show.
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But at the time I got a great rating, and
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that's probably because it was the first appearance of Kiss
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on television, yes.
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Which is also makes no freaking sense whatsoever.
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But yeah, when we mentioned to the network we wanted
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to do it, Fred Silverman said, well.
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They were already dressed for Halloween, so what the hell?
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And they were new they were hotter in hell that
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they was like, oh my god, we have kiss.
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In fact, the week the show aired, record their song
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was number one. Ironically, it was a song called Beth.
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It was a ballad, you know, I.
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Mean it was a very sad song.
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Yes, Manilow kind of ballad with this guy in full
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kiss makeup at.
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The pian Beth. I hear you call me, which.
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I thought he's singing to some girl, or if he
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hasn't happened to know a guy named Beth, he might
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be singing to him.
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It's hard to tell.
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Now this is a thing that I'm amazing. I knew this,
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but many people don't know. The young people. Obviously, you
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were identified with, you know, wild crazy things, skating humor
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and the oscars, the fabulous various gay events aids events.
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So when people hear he wrote for the Donny and
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Marie Show, the Wait What What What? Yes? It was
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Will had to wrote for the Donny Marie Show, and
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I've worked with Marine. She's like, hey, of course, explain
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how in the universe you wound up writing for the
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Donny and Marie Show.
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Well, for the first thing is I came out here
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in nineteen seventy five to do a TV show for
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the Manhattan Transfer.
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Oh my god, I love them. Yes, your footnotes in
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the book explaining everything is in.
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Summer replacement series and uh and it didn't get any ratings.
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It was on you know, Sundays in summer. No one's
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watching it Sunday night, seven o'clock. So but the the
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cop got refused to say, oh, the show is brilliant.
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It's really it's hip. It's so hippy.
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But I love the Manhattan Transfer there it's too hip.
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So I knew Farnce Henderson and I was having dinner
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with her one night and I said, I said, I'm
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just too hip, and she said, come right, the Brady Bunch,
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no one will ever say your hip again.
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True.
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This was because they side Marty Kroft bringing the Baby
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Bunch back to as a variety hour and I, oh god.
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The Brady Pyne thinking of this season stripe.
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They Donnie Marie were on the pilot of the Brady
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Buds Friday Hour and they had done the Donna Ree
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Show and the following season the osmans Uh kicked Sitting
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Marty out and took over the show themselves, and they
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they brought me in because Marie was turning eighteen. They
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wanted her to be more adult and they thought they
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thought I could handle that.
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Oh dear me, Yes, where I.
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Was for the last two years of the show, giving
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her adult things to do and fighting the Mormons in
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utes in Salt Lake because they were the ultimate censors.
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The ABC censor past would say yes to things, and
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the Mormons and Salt like the elders would go, she
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won't do that, she's The.
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naturally funny. I wor Marie. She's a riot, that girl
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and the Diamonds. But obviously, yes, their family and the
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Morms would say, these are our standard bearers here, this
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is Donnie Marie. They can't they can't do anything that
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isn't really squeaky clean. So that's why it's socially amazing,
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Like how did you walk that line and make this funny?
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to be versatile. Shakespeare wrote Macbeth and you know, two
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gentlemen of Verona. So you have to be not that
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I'm Shakespeare, but you know that kind of goes with
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I ran into a lot of trouble with them because
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they they things that I thought. I couldn't believe the
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list of rules that they had. There was a song
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that I brought in, a Gershman song called treat Me Rough,
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that Mickey Rooney saying in Girl Crazy Wow, and they
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and they said that the lyric was was too was
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too risque.
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So from what what year is treat Me Rough?
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from earlier. I mean the original show I think was
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on Broadway. Was was ethel Merman's first big, first breakthrough,
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even like twenty seven. In any event, the uh I
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knew Michael Feinstein, who was working for Ira Gershman at
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the time, and I was having dinner there one night
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and I told Ira the story that and I was, oh,
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i'll read, I'll fix it.
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I'll rewrite the lyrics.
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was too much, and I said, it must be crazy.
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Ira Gershwin has rewritten this lyric.
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So instead I brought in the song that my friends
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Melissa Manchester and Cara bes Baker had just written called
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Coming from the Rain, which was a beautiful ballad.
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They said, you about a woman whose husband has left
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her and she taking me back on that where they
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got that from.
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What that's So instead I got them a song that
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Elton John had just written called Don't let the Sun
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Go Down on Me.
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control room with the network censor and Maria is going,
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don't let the Sun go down on Me, and she.
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Looks at me and she says, I see what you
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did here.
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Innocence, pure innocence. They had no idea, They had no idea.
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It's one of the things Elton John, he's wonderful, he's
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very confused.
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Yeah, wholesome, totally bought. One of the things I noticed
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as I was reading the book, as I said, I'm
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older and I'm okay, footnotes. If you go get this book,
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if you were a young person, you're saying, who in
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the hell is the old stars that are being evoked?
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There are footnotes in this book. And the booknotes like
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explaining who Esther Williams is and all of that are
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almost funnier than even the if their scream, because how
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do you explain all of these bizarre characters? But one
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thing I know, and you describe some of the other
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people you work with, all these writers, I went wow,
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Because there are a lot of people came out of like
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the Smothers Brothers and that whole era we think of
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the seventies or I was there as a teenager as
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very you know, disco, glitter and cocaine and what have you,
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that sort of spandexy, very shiny era. But a lot
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of the people are rarely most of the people writing
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television and film and doing this were hippies from the
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sixties were more late sixties, early seventies people. I mean,
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some of these people are like brown Rice Carab absolute macroma,
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full on hippies in this story.
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Well, I always say people tell you they remember the seventies,
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they weren't there because we were half baked of the time.
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And many of these bad ideas were conceived in clouds
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of smoke.
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Yeah, there are some of them. Were many shows that
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we watch a go.
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Moving that Sid Croft was involved, the late great Sid Croft.
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Love him.
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I mean, here's a guy who wrote who sold TV
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shows called hr Puffin Stuff and Lyddsville Saturday morning kid shows.
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And everyone was like, WoT, yeah, it doesn't get more
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stone than that. I remember what I much.
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I love Lydsville. But I'm like, somebody said, yeah, talking hats,
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and no one thought that was odd. Nobody in the
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meeting room went no. Everyone went yes, talking hats. So
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how high was everybody? But it's interesting the generational thing.
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I was like, these are more hippie people coming in
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and doing this. And there's even a picture of you
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of the book You've looked very proper Hairbear Bunch nineteen
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sixty nine.
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Yeah, that was us. In fact, one of my favorite
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memories is a show called My Favorite Martian, Oh my God, Yes,
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which was about a Martian who comes there played by
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Ray Walston and is living with a family and all that,
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and there was a story conference going on around they
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were and they were fixing the script and uh, they
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would change some line and the network executive said, wait
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a minute, A martian wouldn't say that, and we all
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kind of looked at him, and you know what, a
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martian would say, you met one, because it was totally
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within the realm of possibility that he had thought he
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had met one.
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You might might have or thought he was one. Yes,
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and you and you do mention the drug thing that
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and uh, you mentioned that you had a reputation for
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doing even more drugs than you actually did, and you're.
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Like, yeah, I know, I embroidered it.
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Uh. I was never dysfunctional and I never you know,
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not not an alcoholic.
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I was not a twelve stepper.
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I was. I had the usual consumption level that people
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had in that era. But it never got out of hands.
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And you know I could. It was always like take
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it or leave it. But but I I embroidered, you know,
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I make jokes about Carrie Fisher and I snorting all
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the swimming, snorting the sweet and low off the table
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at the commissary. But it wasn't like that, really, I mean,
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that was a joke. But then it comes back to
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bite you in the ashes of a lanche who admits
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to copious drug use during the seventies year. Well, no,
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it wasn't copious.
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It was the s op.
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Drug use, you know, standard operating.
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Right, people, it's hard for him could imagine now get
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how stound a lot of people were throughout the sixties,
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seventies and most of the eighties to eighties, and they
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don't realize.
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Which I was never into that that was. That was
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like a rock and roll drug and I would do
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it on tour with people. But you said, why am
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I wide awake in Oklahoma City at Babacoa in the morning?
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Thank you? Places you could totally sleep.
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That you get Chinese food at five o'clock in the
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morning if you wanted that.
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Well, this is true. And that's the thing is just
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like when explain to people what things were like in
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the seventies. Even on the set of the Little House
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where they smoked and they drank, they had beer and cigarettes,
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I'm like, it was nineteen seventy four, but then they
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didn't have organic food and gluten free at the Craft Services.
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It was people were smoking and drinking and eating junk food,
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and it was just this other insane world and that's
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what people did. And it's Charlotte Stewart was our fabulous
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miss Beetle, who dated Jim Morrison, has quite the book
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and she has to put and disclaim. Go okay, boys
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and girls, let's just explain this. I was a young
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person in the sixties and seventies and people kind of
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slept with people. And you're probab may not be doing
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any of this, but yes, I really did go out
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with all these guys and that's what happened. Because it
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was nineteen sixty nine. Hello and yeah, and so people
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cannot quite fathom how far out things really were back then.
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Yeah. Yeah, And it was also the beginning of birth control.
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It should be pointed out that way right, just to
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come in, everybody got more promiscuous.
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You had a marvelous line where you mentioned it was
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sonny shows made by shady people. I love that one
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because I honestly I said that that was the Little
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House on the Prairie, the most wholesome show in the world.
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And everyone's like, I'm almost out of beer. Is there
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any more wild Turkey? Left and where did I leave
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my Marboros? And you know that's simply how things were.
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So Yeah, sunny shows made by shady people, just like
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the as I said, the footnotes are amazing. I mean
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you do call up celebrities, some of them kind of
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go back to the twenties and thirties. I said, you
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mean like Stim Williams and Carol Channing and all of.
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These celebrities, people who said, you're going to have to
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explain this to people if you want a younger demographic
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to be interested in the book, I said, okay, that's fine,
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I'll throw footnotes in everywhere.
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And the Rip Taylor, I love that Rip Taylor's I
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adored her. I did know Rip Taylor. And you're right
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he merged from a ball of confetti to go do
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other things occasionally.
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Yes, oh yeah he was. But he was nuts, you know,
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I mean, and he was crazy and insecurity and all
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part of the energy he brought to that character that
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he that he had, which looked a lot like Frank
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Morgan and The Wizard of Oz.
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Yes, there's a lot of that. They should have done
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a remake when I got to wear TV Wizard of Oz, Oh,
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TV Wizard of oz special, perhaps another like Star Wars thing,
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but with him and that he could have totally done that.
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I would have been like amazing. It's just the things
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you reveal in this book, was it? Ashley Hamilton, George
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Hamilton's son, gave you a cure for the hiccups we did,
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but you're not revealing it. You're holding it out for
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the next book.
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Uh. I think I've forgotten because I had a lap band,
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and when you have a lap band, I've had it
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like twenty years. Really, hiccups mean some thing else, because
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HICCUPSI coming. Whatever you ag is coming right back up,
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because you have exceeded the capacity.
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Of the of the left bow, right right, right right.
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Forget what his tip was, it was pretty good. I
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think it was, uh, swallow things a lot of water
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taken fast or something like that.
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But some kind of golfing thing.
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That's a.
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Thing.
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I'm trying to remember it now and it's you know,
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it's been it's been quite a long time since you
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told me that. But I remember on we were on
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a plane. We were flying to Tokyo to do the
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look of the Year of Fashion special that his father,
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George wash MCing of course he actually had come along
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and Uh, and I was sitting next to him on
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the plane and I got hiccups, and he said, oh,
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I'll show you a cure.
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Celebrity hiccups, tears. Everything is in your book.
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Coming next after family feuge, Celebrity hiccups.
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Celebrity hiccups. Yes, all right. So obviously you're best known
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for all these award shows. I like how you one point,
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you're trying to being asked, did you win an Oscar
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for the Emmy's You're an Emmy for the Oscars, but
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you can't win an Oscar for the Emmy.
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So yeah, was always confused.
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And she that's a line in the documentary about me
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called Get Bruce. She's like, you know, they had to
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keep it in because it was so cute.
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Now that's the thing you this is finally the memoir,
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But you did in fact evy documentary ID a documentary.
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Time years ago.
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And I was, well, that was because of a guy
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I knew, Andy Keane, who ran a big trailer Alps
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and made all the coming attractions for all the studios.
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Uh said, I think there's a story in your life
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and what you do. And I said, I agree with you.
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But Felini just died, so I don't know who. And
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he said, well, I'll take a shot. And I said, well, okay,
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if you can get all these people to participate in
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their own deconstruction, go to it. And he got. He
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got Billy Crystal and Bett Middler and Whoopy and Robin Williams,
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those of the prison and then a whole bunch of
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other people, and we went, you know, followed me around
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and all of that for a year or so.
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Thank god.
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And then it was all put together.
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Harvey Weinstein bought it and uh and made some changes.
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Anybody never laid a hand.
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On me, thank thank Heavens for that small favorite.
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Not me.
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Oh my god.
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He did it very good job. I mean, he was
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an excellent producer.
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Is this documentary? Is this another thing we can find
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out there.
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In the wild?
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Yeah, it's it's on video Disney. What happens?
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He sold his company, Miramax to Disney and it became
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a DVD from Buena Vista, their company, and it's still
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around and you can find you can you can probably
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find it on the streamer.
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Wow, that's why. Well yeah, so okay, so your best
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are you best?
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Over?
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I get the Oscars.
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Really, I guess I wrote twenty five of them and
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I won. I guess that's you know, yeah, that's what
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I'm best known for, Baton and squares and.
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Square Now writing the Oscars, I mean you described some
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of the the heinous moments in that and having to
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deal with celebrities who don't want to read what you've
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written or go off on their own tangents. What how
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did that work?
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Well, you know, it depends. They're generally generally, once they
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sign off on stuff, they do it because you know,
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it's a big thing and it's I keep saying, it's
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like fumbling in the super Bowl. You don't want to
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do that. So, uh, they're they're pretty good. But sometimes
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people just uh, you know, get there there. They come
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in and they had their they're chemically altered. Sometimes. That
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was a thing with Dennis Quaid. One night he was
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he had had a little bit I think he'd bit
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over served in the green room and he was pissed off.
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He was it was the year that he had done
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the Jerry Lewis movie Great, and uh, I think he
532
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expected to be nominated and he wasn't, and we, uh,
533
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for no good reason, put him with Michelle Pfeiffer, who
534
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was nominated that year, was way back in eighty nine.
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It was her first nomination, and you know, she is
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like Bruno Mars saying white gold. I mean, she was
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regal and beautiful and perfect, and he was like kind
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of channeling.
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Jerry Lee Lewis with her and she was having none
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of it. So that was my favorite awkward moment.
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But you know, occasionally they just they just decided to
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be exemporaneous, and Jeff Goldblum had a moment like that,
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and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. But the
544
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hard part is actually getting into to sign off on
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anything because actors who don't have a stage persona.
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Who don't know who they.
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Are when they're out there, they don't have a character
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to play, and they don't know exactly who they are,
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and so you have to come up either come up
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with a character to play or come up with something.
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That relates to the job at hand.
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The category they're giving out that they can bring a
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certain their own personality to. So you know, you sit
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with Johnny Depp and come up with a sort of
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Captain Jack Sparrow Hunter personality, so he's like he's part
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at pretending he's partially buzzed, which is right, which is
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And that is.
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The thing that a lot of actors who are strictly filming,
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they don't. They don't when it's time for them, they're
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at a loss. They don't have a stage thing. So
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I guess you you would have to like write and
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go like, okay, what would we want them to be
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like if they did this for real? A personality for him?
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Well, you're exactly right where you come up with, Like,
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you know, Warren Baty is used to doing. He hasn't
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done stage work in fifty sixty years, so he's used
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to having it. You know, let's do another take on everything.
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And of course when you do this stuff ain't no
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second take. And that was when when he and Fay
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had they've screw up with the.
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Envelope.
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That was part of us. I think he is trying
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to figure out, how do we do this?
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You know?
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And and Fay said, oh, you know. She grabbed the
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envelope out of his hand, and she saw the word moonlighting, moonlighted,
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and she said, the winner is moonlight.
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Which was it a long envelope. It's a long and
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a long and an entertaining story.
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Now you did your Your first Oscars was the famous
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Oscars from the eighties with the infamous snow White number.
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That's true, yes, guilty, although I had nothing to do
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with that.
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It was not you. You did not do the snow
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White number.
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00:29:36.319 --> 00:29:39.599
No, no, it was not about whom. I've written a play.
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Uh.
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We're about to do readings of uh.
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He uh saw show in San Francisco called Beach Blanket Babylon.
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That was a big, very funny He imported Steve Silver,
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the creator of that, of that show, and a conceit
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of the of the show he brought it to. That
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show was about snow White going around the world and
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winding up in San Francisco. And so instead he had
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snow White returning to the Oscars many years after her debut.
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And and she goes to the Coconut Grove and there
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are all these Golden.
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Era stars and it was just a huge mistake.
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And I kept saying this, you know, these people are
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not as you remember them. They are I have a feeling, No,
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and Rob And one of the things that happens at
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the Coconut Grover was she meets some young hot guy
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and nobody wanted to do it. And Rob, who was
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eager to do anything, said yeah, I'll try it. And
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of course we well regretted for other reasons because after
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that it got into a Disney sued for the use
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of snow white.
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Oh my god.
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It was a baseless suit and they never really did
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anything with it. They just wanted to me to get
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to scrub the tape of the number because they've taken
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actions against lots of people for infringing on snow white.
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Snow White is in the public domain since fifteen eighty three.
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Nights, several thousand years old.
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Yeah, so they never had a case. But it was
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that detail that that's my last chapter in the book.
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But what happened was after about two or three weeks
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after the show, the Roblo sex tape surface and every
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time it was mentioned it was Rob Low, most recently
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involved in a lawsuit with a Disney company over dancing
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with snoware. So Rob went on SNL and he apologized
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and he said, of the poster child for bad behavior,
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and he's always owned it, never you know, said I
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did I did bad and but he never you know,
625
00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:54.359
tied it in with with the oscars. I mean could
626
00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:57.079
that was but we were the ones who got there.
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It suddenly was like a delay reaction blowback to at
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once everything that centred down about about whether you liked
629
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the show.
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We didn't like the show, and then the ratings were good.
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But then along came the sex tape, and so suddenly
632
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:15.160
was it was a harsh light was placed back.
633
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Sullying, snow white, yet even further than that terrible musical
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00:32:18.799 --> 00:32:20.920
note exactly right, oh my.
635
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God, all lower.
636
00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:26.440
So these things do go wrong, Yet most of the time,
637
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most of the time the stuff you write it turned
638
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out to be good ideas. Your bad ideas though, I
639
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:33.599
think were so spectacular that the why they made for
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this book, Because the things that star Wars, Christmas, the Holidays,
641
00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:42.079
there's still like enormously spectacularly insane and with such insane
642
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:46.480
backstories they make for books. But the obvious question, what
643
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is the secret to being able to write shows and
644
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:53.400
write shows? Well, because you you you described the writing
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00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:58.079
of such insanely different shows things that they're just like
646
00:32:58.119 --> 00:33:00.319
you would not think the same person would be even
647
00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:03.319
in these categories of writing all this different stuff. How
648
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on earth do you do that? And what do you
649
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:06.599
attribute that ability to?
650
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:07.880
Well?
651
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I just think I pay attention to people.
652
00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:12.839
I think that to do this kind of show, you
653
00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:17.200
have to listen to how people present themselves, what their
654
00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:20.880
persona is, how they speak, their rhythm, all of that stuff,
655
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and you have to move it.
656
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To associated with the task.
657
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I mean, as I say, when Shakespeare was writing Hamlet,
658
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he was probably not in the same mood as when
659
00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:35.000
he wrote Twelfth Night. So I mean you have to adjust.
660
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:40.799
And I often playwrights have them much easier because they
661
00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:43.440
come well, they have to cut harder, they come up
662
00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:45.880
with all these things in their heads.
663
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Uh.
664
00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:50.079
They have to make up characters. Generally they're they're people
665
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in their lives. But I compare it to like Bob Mackie, who,
666
00:33:55.559 --> 00:33:58.599
as I say, would not put Share in the same
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out that he would put Lizo. I mean, these are
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00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:07.039
two different body types and also they're two different skin colorations,
669
00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:09.599
and there are a whole lot of things, and so
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you tailor your work to those people who you're writing for.
671
00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:16.079
And it's exactly the same way I tailor things to
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00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:19.480
who to who you're dealing with. Uh, and I have
673
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:21.199
I have a skill for it.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:25.079
The constant changes. That's the other thing. Too, where you
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write these things and they go, no, I hate it.
678
00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:29.320
I hate it. To give me an entirely other thing.
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00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:33.639
Yeah, I know, but it's it's it's kind of just
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served me.
681
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:36.760
Well. It's like, uh, you know, I never I haven't
682
00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:40.559
been pigeonholed, except I guess I'm tru hip.
683
00:34:41.679 --> 00:34:47.280
You were right, and now I had not paid I'm
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00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:49.519
sorry enough attention to you actually have a career as
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00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:52.639
an actor. You have actually appeared in film and television
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as an actor.
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00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:56.440
It's minor except you know, I did go to Broadway
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and do Hairspray for two years.
689
00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:01.039
We get that part. Yeah, but that was like okay because.
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00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:03.760
Launch and I've had like small parts and a million
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different movies.
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00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:07.599
But you were you pop up in There's several movies
693
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going way back. It's like, wait, you were in back? What? What?
694
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:12.159
What the mahogany?
695
00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:14.880
Mahogany? Why are you in Mohawk?
696
00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:16.800
Well? I was in Chicago.
697
00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:20.480
I was a journalist at the Chicago Tribute and I
698
00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:23.159
did commercials in Chicago because I was a hippie.
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00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:24.480
I had a very hippie.
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00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:27.000
Look, the hippie hairbear bunch man.
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You were a big beard, which I shaved for Hairspray
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00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:36.880
and I had Big Hair and they they were shooting
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00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:38.079
Mahogany in Chicago.
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Partially.
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The story starts in Chicago, and she winds up in
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Rome and they so they in Chicago. She's trying to
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00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:51.119
get a job as a fashion designer and she goes
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from place to place.
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When she comes to.
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Me, I am, I'm a couturier in Chicago for one
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of the big department stores, and she shows me sketches
712
00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:05.559
and I hire her, and then before we could get
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to shoot the other letters is Barry Gordy, who was
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00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:14.000
producing the picture and was basically running Diana's life because
715
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:19.679
he was Motown didn't fire the director, Tony Richardson Oscar
716
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:28.239
winning director and took over himself as director, and he
717
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:31.800
decided that he had to get her character out of
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00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:36.400
Chicago at inter room quicker, so instead of hiring her,
719
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I don't hire her. So we had to come back
720
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and shoot the thing again where I didn't hire her.
721
00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:46.119
And by the way, this movie just started as a vehicle.
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00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:48.599
For Eliza Manelli to stop it.
723
00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:51.719
Yeah. It was written by Bob Merrill, who wrote the
724
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lyrics for Funny Girl and a lot of musicals on Broadway,
725
00:36:56.320 --> 00:36:58.679
and he wrote the whole thing and it was like
726
00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:02.000
a Susan Hayward picture her about girl comes from the
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00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:06.559
you know, or Joan Crawford. A girl comes from the projects,
728
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from you know, poverty, and she kicks her flaw, becomes
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00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:14.280
a fabulous fashion model and but can she find love
730
00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:17.639
and all of that? And uh, I don't think Liza
731
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was interested.
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00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:20.679
I mean she had I think.
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Just won the Oscar, and I don't think she was interested.
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And Diana was very hard to find projects for because
735
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:32.000
she was Diana Ross and she was black, and she
736
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:33.000
wasn't comfortable.
737
00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:35.760
She had done Lady Sings the Blues, had.
738
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:38.960
Gotten an Oscar nomination and all that, but she he
739
00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:41.960
wanted to build her up as a glamour star, and
740
00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:44.559
so he grabbed Barry, grabbed the script and had it
741
00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:46.880
converted for her.
742
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:50.199
And I know that's crazy.
743
00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:51.440
It wasn't called Mahogany.
744
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:57.039
It was called something else that elicited one woman glamour thing.
745
00:37:57.280 --> 00:38:03.360
But because she was black, mahogany Hoyt's.
746
00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:06.559
Fabulous feel to it. So uh so he said, we
747
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:08.920
got to get our into Rome, and so we shot
748
00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:10.880
the thing and I didn't hire and it's one scene
749
00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:13.440
that's that's left in the movie. And when I met
750
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:17.159
Rup Paul many years ago, Uh, the first thing he
751
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:21.599
said to me was, you're in Mahogany thirty two minutes in.
752
00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:26.119
And so I raced home and put in the VHS
753
00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:28.480
and thirty two minutes where in my scene is? And
754
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:32.000
I thought, not, this guy's going places.
755
00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:37.800
He's paid that much attention to details. Yes, Paul Gaul
756
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:39.039
pays attention to details.
757
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:45.159
Rup Paul. Attention has been paid. There's a reason why
758
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:49.360
of all the drag queens in all of ours, Ru
759
00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:53.840
Paul is the one who is in Colorado.
760
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:58.559
Now, Uh, you know, very smart man. Now, we who
761
00:38:58.599 --> 00:39:02.119
first really met through stand up and through I think
762
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:06.760
it was Age Project Los Angeles summer party and we're
763
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:08.760
doing stand up. I think, God, it was like at
764
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:11.039
the One Institute, and then eventually we're at the Zoo
765
00:39:11.079 --> 00:39:14.559
and eventually we're at the Universal Studios backlot and I
766
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:17.320
was running the comedy stage and we did all of
767
00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:21.159
these crazy things, but under things that were a bad
768
00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:22.960
idea at the time. In terms of a bad idea,
769
00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:27.239
Do you have any memory of a Halloween night in
770
00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:32.199
somewhere in the nineties in San Francisco. Someone had a
771
00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:35.760
brilliant idea and was you me, God, Sharon McKnight. I
772
00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:37.719
don't remember who else, like.
773
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:39.280
A city hall right out there.
774
00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:41.880
Yes, it was a city hall. And the idea was
775
00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:43.440
they said, well, we've been having a lot of trouble
776
00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:45.280
because we have, you know, our nice Halloween parade and
777
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:46.800
big shows and stuff, but we did them in the
778
00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:49.800
Castro and there's been all kinds of problem with violence
779
00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:52.239
and gay bashing and mugging. And we're going to do
780
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:54.079
a thing. It's going to be at the city. We'll
781
00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:56.119
do it at City Hall and we'll have a stage
782
00:39:56.119 --> 00:39:58.760
and the costume contests and stuff, and it'll be really
783
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:02.559
safe and really fab and we're going to have Alison launched.
784
00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:07.480
All these people. It was an absolute hellscape.
785
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:11.840
It was awful, terrible. Well also it was like it
786
00:40:11.880 --> 00:40:14.760
wasn't the crowd that goes to the Castle. It was
787
00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:17.719
what we in New York called Bridge and Tunnel. Yep,
788
00:40:18.400 --> 00:40:20.880
a lot of East Bay and you know, a lot
789
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:23.639
of people flowing into the city. But they went into
790
00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:26.800
the wrong place for the real Halloween thing. They went
791
00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:28.679
to where the city told them to go.
792
00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:31.000
Yeah, and it was the dumbest thing.
793
00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:33.719
They did not give a shit about us, and they
794
00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:36.440
hated us all.
795
00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:39.159
They were like straight teenagers and young guys and all
796
00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:41.000
these people who never would have gone to the Halloween
797
00:40:41.039 --> 00:40:43.079
Parade ever in their lives, and they were kind of
798
00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:45.760
all like drunk and mean, and they had no idea
799
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:47.960
what you were. I was like, I gotta see Bruce form.
800
00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:51.039
They did not understand a word, not a single tick.
801
00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:52.760
They were like, who what? Had no idea what how
802
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:54.800
you were talking about? They couldn't have gotten with footnotes.
803
00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:56.880
And I got up and we're all like dying of
804
00:40:56.960 --> 00:41:00.480
violent death on stage. And then things got nuts. They
805
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:02.800
got rowdy and a big fight broke out and there
806
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:04.760
were like helicopters into your gas and we all had
807
00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:08.360
to be evacuated out and like li limos like lifeboats.
808
00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:12.119
And the next morning paper comes out and I find
809
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:14.960
out they had a party in the castro. They totally
810
00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:16.239
had a party in the caster They had a pray
811
00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:18.360
and they said it was so great. There was not
812
00:41:18.599 --> 00:41:21.559
one fight or issue or problem. We had a really
813
00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:25.000
great time to get because they sent them. We were decoys,
814
00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:27.199
You and I and Jerry mc knight. We were used
815
00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:29.920
as freaking decoys and put on that stage to draw
816
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:31.800
all the violent.
817
00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:35.400
That's right, you got it.
818
00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:38.719
It was all we had to scap we had to evacuate.
819
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:40.880
Yeah, that I really filed it away.
820
00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:45.960
Yeah, no, I will never forget that. Yeah. My husband
821
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:47.719
Bob's and they're going, well, i've had your gas before,
822
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:49.760
we'll be fine. No, we'll be fine. And we had
823
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:52.000
only had so many cars to get people out, and
824
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:53.760
it's like, no, you go, you go ahead.
825
00:41:55.920 --> 00:42:00.000
Yep. I've done so many good things in San franciscoes instead,
826
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:02.039
and I guess I just kind of moved it.
827
00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:06.079
There's many a fine evening in San Francisco. Indeed, I
828
00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:10.719
put lovely clubs there, but holy crab, truly, that was
829
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:15.840
one of the greatest train wrecks in Stanabez. I'm glad
830
00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:17.639
I was there with you at the time. It was lovely.
831
00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:18.719
Oh my god, we.
832
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:23.199
Bonded. You've done so much. I mean, that's where I
833
00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:26.800
keep running into it. Things so much for Age Charities,
834
00:42:26.840 --> 00:42:31.800
Age Project, Los Angeles, Game, Lesbian Organizations, marriage equality, et cetera,
835
00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:37.519
et cetera. A fabulous thank you. How what has that
836
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:39.719
been like for you in using your talents for that?
837
00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:43.719
Well, you know, I'm a member of several minorities. You know,
838
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:46.800
I'm Jewish and I'm gay. And one of the things
839
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:49.159
that you learn when you're Jewish is a lot a
840
00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:51.079
lot of the world hates you. They're not going to
841
00:42:51.159 --> 00:42:53.159
help you, and you've got to do it yourself, and
842
00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:56.079
you we have to take care of our own and
843
00:42:56.119 --> 00:42:59.760
that's a very just a very Jewish concept. And when
844
00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:04.119
as happened, or even before age but AIDS, AIDS made
845
00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:07.519
everything coalesced, we realized that no one was going to
846
00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:07.960
help us.
847
00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:09.880
We were going to have to take care of ourselves.
848
00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:14.639
And so we became activists and what had been the
849
00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:19.719
gay liberation and hedonism and uh take all of that
850
00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:24.719
kind of stuff merged into saved life saving things that
851
00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:29.239
and since the government was doing nothing, we had to
852
00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:32.599
do something. And the people who were in show business said, well,
853
00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:35.280
you know, we've got costumes in the barn. Let's put
854
00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:40.519
on a show. Yep, you raise awareness, And so that
855
00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:43.360
was that was where Okay, I just you know, kept
856
00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:49.360
saying yes because the need was there, and.
857
00:43:48.639 --> 00:43:50.159
And you continue doing it.
858
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:54.719
The marriage equality happened because when AIDS happened, we realized
859
00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:58.079
that people who had been in significant relationships for many
860
00:43:58.159 --> 00:44:01.239
years discovered that when they're partners got sick, they had
861
00:44:01.719 --> 00:44:06.599
no legal standing, and marriage equality was designed to give
862
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:10.880
people legal standing and to make people first class citizens.
863
00:44:11.320 --> 00:44:13.639
And that's what it was about. People keep saying, where.
864
00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:13.920
Did this come?
865
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:17.079
Froy, It's you know, it's not We didn't all decide
866
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:20.480
we wanted to get in vera wang drag and rise.
867
00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:21.960
That wasn't it.
868
00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:24.440
And a lot of people came out and somebody says
869
00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:26.679
to me, what happened, like does the mothership land? I
870
00:44:26.719 --> 00:44:29.440
said no, we were all recognizing that this was the
871
00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:31.639
way the path to equal rights.
872
00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:35.079
People were finding themselves down at the hospital with the
873
00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:37.079
person they'd lived with for twenty years.
874
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:40.280
They had, yeah, they had no.
875
00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:46.239
Involvement in the medical care. And when when the partner died,
876
00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:50.559
the family would swoop down and and and isolate them
877
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:53.880
and they had whatever inheritance.
878
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:54.920
Things were challenged.
879
00:44:55.719 --> 00:44:59.199
It was a miss because there was also that that
880
00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:04.039
generation it was coming from, uh, a position of a
881
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:09.920
lot of disapproval in their own families. That's uh that
882
00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:14.559
that has changed considerably, uh, you know, with with generational change,
883
00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:20.519
but so uh it was it was paramount in everyone's mind.
884
00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:22.480
How do we make how do we make this work
885
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:25.599
so that we are like everybody else, you know, and
886
00:45:26.079 --> 00:45:28.199
I succeeded.
887
00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:31.000
Well, I'm a big supporter.
888
00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:32.960
Of gay marriage. Is why can't why shouldn't you be
889
00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:36.159
miserable like the rest of us.
890
00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:39.159
Now, a weird thing that came up. We were at
891
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:42.039
the Hollywood Ball. That came up. You you are interested
892
00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:46.159
in Titanic history. Yes, maybe that's has something to do
893
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:48.519
with your terrible ideas. The Titanic shows.
894
00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:52.400
Well. I was nine years old when Walter Lord's book
895
00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:54.800
A Night Your Member came out, and I was riveted.
896
00:45:55.159 --> 00:45:56.199
I thought, my god, this.
897
00:45:56.239 --> 00:46:02.239
Is the most phenomenal mystery and catastrophe, and all these
898
00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:06.480
elements that had drawn people to the story hit me
899
00:46:06.639 --> 00:46:10.599
very very quickly, at at a young age. And that
900
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:15.559
same summer the book came out, The Angiodoria sank, and
901
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:17.800
it was like a modern day version of I mean
902
00:46:18.599 --> 00:46:23.960
they only fifty people were lost, which only fifty.
903
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:24.280
They probably had some life pubs.
904
00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:29.760
It's just seventeen hundred on the Titanic, but so in
905
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:33.039
it just got me going and I began becoming a
906
00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:37.880
shipwreck bup. I was Lucitania, oh, emphas of Britain, I
907
00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:40.800
mean all of these different Tomorrow Castle, all of these
908
00:46:40.840 --> 00:46:44.480
big shipwrecks. I was fascinated also because we were My
909
00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:47.480
father is teaching in Europe and we would we would
910
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:49.320
go on ships to go to Europe because of the
911
00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:53.599
was so long. So so I became a ship freak.
912
00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:58.159
And Titanic, of course was the big mama.
913
00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:02.960
So I went to the Titanic Museum in in Belfast
914
00:47:03.960 --> 00:47:06.000
where they build it or as they have all the
915
00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:08.199
t shirts saying hey it was fine when it left
916
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:12.199
here and built by the Irish, piloted by the English,
917
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:14.719
don't look at us, et cetera. And they have the
918
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:18.599
craziest gift shop. They have lovely you know, reverent things
919
00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:21.760
and replicas of the dishes and lovely things. And then
920
00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:24.639
they have like Titanic rubber ducks and little boats you
921
00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:26.599
can sink in your bath up and I'm like, there is,
922
00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:30.599
my guys. They have everything the museum in Ireland. If
923
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:33.760
you haven't, it's amazing. They have a whole massive interactive
924
00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:34.440
exhibit thing.
925
00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:35.159
I love it.
926
00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:38.519
Bad taste question, you know.
927
00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:40.920
Yes, yes, they have all this super good taste stuff
928
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:42.840
and the ship hanging from the ceiling and the pictures
929
00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:48.480
and then you go in the gift shop like a
930
00:47:48.519 --> 00:47:49.079
bunch of stuff.
931
00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:51.400
The Cameron picture came out and he said, I'm the
932
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:54.000
King of the World at the Oscars and he got
933
00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:57.360
all this flat that people say fifty undred people died
934
00:47:57.400 --> 00:47:59.639
in that tragedy, Why how can you say it was
935
00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:02.320
nine team twelve? You know.
936
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:07.639
Yeah, we have lifeboats now, it's time. In fact, in
937
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:10.000
the titan Museum they have an exhibit after you get
938
00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:11.800
out all the scary stuff. It's like a ride where
939
00:48:11.840 --> 00:48:14.639
they go and here's all the loss got passed. Right afterwards.
940
00:48:14.679 --> 00:48:16.920
You must have a number of light boats on your ship.
941
00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:20.719
Like while they would have funny gifts.
942
00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:22.679
But they do have and I did buy so I
943
00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:26.719
have a little also the Irish, you know, yes, exactly,
944
00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:29.079
that's the thing. It's in Ireland, and the Irish have
945
00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:31.880
work sense of humor in the face of tragedy, you know,
946
00:48:31.960 --> 00:48:34.679
they have the most twisted the sense of humor. And
947
00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:37.519
that I do have several items from the Titanic Museum
948
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:39.800
for you, so we will get this sorted and get
949
00:48:39.800 --> 00:48:41.079
you your Titanic rubber.
950
00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:45.239
Doll, a whole second light life with Ballard when went
951
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:47.920
down on the when that when Ballad went down on
952
00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:51.079
the wreck, and I mean, and the important thing about
953
00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:54.559
that as they at the time they say, well, we
954
00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:57.840
should leave at Christine because it's a tomb, and but
955
00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:03.039
they managed to bring up astray and you know, chandeliers
956
00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:05.960
and things like that, so it's still a tomb.
957
00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:09.599
But you know, it's been one hundred years plus.
958
00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:12.800
The Pyramids are a tomb and the people visits it's sair.
959
00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:13.320
What are you gonna do?
960
00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:14.000
Anyway?
961
00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:17.119
This is this has been lovely. I mean, there's so
962
00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:19.119
much going on in your book and your life is like,
963
00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:21.039
I'm not going to cover all of this. I was like,
964
00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:24.079
I'm gonna throw darts at the subject matter because we
965
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:26.639
could do five hours five hours if I actually covered
966
00:49:26.679 --> 00:49:29.519
everything in your book. And I beer for all night.
967
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:32.480
Thank you. Where do people find you? Where do they
968
00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:34.239
get the book? Where do they find you? Blood?
969
00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:37.039
Blood right the way you can get it. There's an
970
00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:39.639
audio people like to listen to me when they're stuck
971
00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:43.440
in traffic. Uh, and uh, the book is available, but
972
00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:47.960
it's now available in paperback actually original. Uh. So just
973
00:49:48.079 --> 00:49:51.440
at any place where you would get books. And uh,
974
00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:54.119
if you're looking for me, there's a website called.
975
00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:55.519
We Got Bruce dot Com.
976
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I saw that run.
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By a fan.
978
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Actually, but I I check in every day to see
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what I'm doing, because he knows.
980
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I love those people. I love those two for me.
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Ooks.
982
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So the we've got Bruce dot com. You're on Facebook
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and stuff.
984
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I am on Facebook and yeah, but I don't post.
985
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I only post on Facebook.
986
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Okay. And what's your next thing you're doing, because you're always.
987
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Continued, Oh well, I'm doing, uh this play reading thing
988
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that we're that we're going to do in Augustine. I mean,
989
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I'm concentrating on getting that cast and doing it all.
990
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I mean, I just I did a musical with Dolly
991
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Parton which we just toured for two years. But it's
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on the shelf now because she's got another show, her
993
00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:43.760
Bio musical of course Broadway. So we'll see what happens
994
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with that. But uh uh, and there will be hocus
995
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Pocus three, oh my god, in the world in the
996
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Middler world that will be coming up. So nice.
997
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Nice.
998
00:50:54.199 --> 00:50:57.719
We put our hand in with that with Winnie's dialogue,
999
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which is fun.
1000
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Okay. So again, never retiring awesome, So good to have
1001
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you on. Never retire, hope to see you again. I
1002
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will get you your Titanic swag, and thank you so much.
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And hey, everybody, this is the Alison at Argham showing.
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I'm Alison Argram too,